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A Hi, folks, I'm Dan. You're used to hearing Mike Maharty's voice

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right now, but this is Dan's
and I have Mary here. Mary,

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Hi, Hi. It's so weird. How do we do this without him?

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Yeah? This is weird because we've
had Mike gone before, but I

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feel like you were also gone.
So I just had Ben Hanson over and

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I just recorded my own like kind
of bespoke set up here. It's something

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weird by yourself, but this is
like you and me together. Yeah,

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And so we had to figure out. We learned exactly the stuff that we

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don't know and that Mike does.
He knows how to log into Zoom.

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He probably knows if we have a
paid Zoom account or if we're gonna get

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kicked off. In like twenty minutes. I feel like there were like six

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things We're like, oh, emails, Like two minutes before we got on

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the Zoom call. It was like, oh shit, these are the old

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emails, and I said, like
copy and paste really quick. Yeah.

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But we're here, right, I
mean, we exist, I understand.

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I feel like this these are the
moments where you realize how valuable Mike is.

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I mean, obviously always he talks
and stuff, and he's got like

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a good knowledge of wine and fine
cheese, but the understanding that he's actually

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paying attention to the accounts that we're
supposed to use the emails. I don't

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look at that stuff. I didn't
realize this guy's important. Yeah, we

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do. Uh, it's a little
fly by night around here, but we

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did. We do need an adult. We need an adult here on this

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podcast. Everyone in a while,
we need to weird to think that Maharty

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would have been the adult. But
I guess, I guess kind of in

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this since as we've got an even
more adult, we've got the most adult

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here. We've got someone I know
well from the shoot gig ladies and gentlemen.

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Oh god, I just realized,
Mary, this is the first time

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you've had two out of three wrestling
folks on this podcast. We got Joff

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Crab, I got a wife and
kids. I'm an adult. You are

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Jeff Grubb. That you start off
by saying you're used to se hearing Michael

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Macharty. Do you ever get used
to hearing Mike Mharty. He's always so

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he's keeping you on your toes.
I don't think you get used to it.

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I think we might be used to
it. It's been a long lit

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to it. Very rare that he
like shocks me anymore. And neither of

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you, Greb. I gotta be
on my toes for you this time.

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So I don't know. I don't
know what you're capable of. You,

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I'm sleepy. You don't have to
worry about anything. You're good. I

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didn't give the kids a math,
and that was a whole handful, so

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they decided it was time to break
down. So no, I'm worn out.

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What does that look like? What
is that like when you say breakdown?

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What does a kid do like?
And also addendum to that, I

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think I used that word right.
Why can't you just tell the kid like,

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hey, just chill out. This
is going to take ten minutes and

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they're going to go to bed.
Yeah, So tonight it was they recently

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got gifts for Valentine's Day. They
each have got the same exact gift,

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so it was fair and it was
like stuff for the bath, and they

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both had bubble bath and the last
time the kid got ahold of her bubble

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bath and used all of it.
So this time when the other kid was

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like, can eye my bubble Beth. I'm like, yeah, here's something,

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and I gave a little bit to
the other kid, but she's like,

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I didn't get the same amount,
so it's not fair. And I

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had to explain, no, that's
not yours. And she's like, well,

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she should share, and I'm like, that's not what sharing is telling

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someone else you want their stuff.
It's not sharing. It's when you give

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other things to other people. And
she was not having any of those explanations

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Tights, so she started but just
like wailing and pretend crying for the most

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part, but it was like genuine
anguish. But I mean, I do

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try to explain it. It doesn't
see again, but I do find if

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I kind of mimic Fred Rogers,
mister Rogers, if I mimic his tamber

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and he's like slow talking and never
getting upset and trying to like soothe,

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like even though when they're very upset, that does actually kind of unwind them

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a little bit. It doesn't completely
undo it. But she would be in

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a much better mood than if I
got frustrated or something like that. But

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there is no explaining it to them. They're just going to lose their mind.

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Do they know who mister Rogers is
and do they know you're emulating him?

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No, they don't know that I'm
emulating him, but they're a little

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bit aware. Mister Rogers. The
more aware of Daniel Tiger, which is

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a show that is based on the
characters. For mister Rogers. It's a

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cartoon that's more modern than mister Rodgers
these days. He's been dead for a

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few years, so the Tiger,
mister Rogers, the Tiger might be dead.

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I have n't checked in on him
in a while. Okay, Mary,

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what what Grub is explaining here is? I didn't realize how familiar this

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was going to sound, but I
realized Grubs also describing what he does when

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uh, I guess usually me and
yeah, I'm like, when you're being

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a bit about taking a bath.
We got a GM at night tonight,

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we got important people coming over.
I've gotten fine with baths and showers.

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Yeah, I'll do I'll do my
a as I get enough bubbs. Yeah.

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I think that's really cool that you
have that that background and that information

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to be able to do that.
I've always been assigned to the idea of

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just lying. So someone's like where
time, I'm like, oh, the

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bubble fairy just ran out, but
I was talking to him back in the

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back room and he's gonna come back
with double the bubbs and I time,

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so just like no bubbs this time, more bubs next time. Agree and

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then they agree and they think there's
a bubble fairy. And that has worked

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up until a point. Yeah,
that works. The line has been a

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big tool in the toolbox for years. She is now seven, and lying

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is being is less effective, or
she expects you actually to follow up on

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the lies, and it's like,
oh no, you used to forget thirty

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minutes later. Now you're not forgetting. And I got to like actually come

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up with something here. Or is
you're gonna think you can't trust anyone in

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your life for the rest of your
life, and you're gonna need, you

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know, therapy and all this stuff, and I don't need that on my

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conscience. No, you want to
be careful with like those rules. I

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had a friend who had a baby
when they were still really young. They

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didn't have a lot of money,
and so for the first few Christmases when

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this is like a very young child, they just wrapped up stuff in the

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house. Oh yeah, good,
and then they opened it and then they

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went and the kid. The kid
got excited. Of course she had the

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kids and they didn't know, and
then they put it back on the counter.

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I thought that was I think that
was it. What do you call

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those white lies? Those are like
sweet little baby lies, like nobody worries

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about that. You're still still getting
in, You'll still see the gates of

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heaven. Yeah, oh yeah.
I had some pretty bulletproof white lies when

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I would baby sit my sisters because
I was eight years older than them,

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the twins, and so my big
one was I was always eating skittles,

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never not eating skittles, and they
always wanted them, and I'd say,

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no, no, no, no, this is my medicine. You can't

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this is my medicine. This will
hurt you, but it helps me.

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And that worked for years, and
anytime they were being little shits, you

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just pick up the phone and you're
like, I'm calling Santa. I'm calling

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Santa right now. Okay, I
got three more buttons of the press.

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Are you gonna stop freaking out?
Are you gonna get wine? One?

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Two? Santa? I did call
a one once just to see what would

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happen. When I was at my
dad's house, when i'd probably look like

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five or six. Yeah, and
like you hear by nine one one on

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the TV and it's like, that's
an interesting You just type in a magic

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number and then people show up and
help you or whatever. I'm gonna try

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that and see what happens. I'm
gonna bly and uh yeah. My dad

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was home. I think he was
like watching Beavis and Buttheaders something, and

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I picked up the phone. I
called nine one one. I'm just I'm

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talking to them, and my dad's
like, who are you talking to?

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He was like, I'm talking to
the cops. Dad, He's like,

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what are you doing. He got
on and he's like, hey, I'm

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sorry, my son is being an
asshole. Sorry hung up and he's like,

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you cannot do that. Did they
Did they come out? Because that's

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what I always hear like these days, if you call nine one one,

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no matter what, they have to
come to check it out. No.

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I feel like I remember that.
I remember my dad just getting Kansas,

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a small town that was so you
call nine one, they got to come

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out. They're gonna they gotta come
out. They got to bring all their

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guns, so don't there probably are
a couple of lies. I was told

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as a kid that I still believe, like I would have to like I

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would have to actually like re examine
them and be like, oh my god,

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they lied to me. Yeah,
that definitely happens. Yeah, the

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Ohio contingent here is strong. Yeah. I went to Westerville South. She

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was not too far away. I
also went to Westerville for like one year

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or two. Oh really, yes, I did. I forget what the

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name of it was, but I
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So I went to this is not
what it sounds like. It wasn't

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like a little private school. It
was a school for like science. I

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only had like twenty four students or
something like that. And it was a

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lottery. And I got into this
like little Westerville lottery. And so I

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did that for like first through fifth
and then I moved to Hilliard for the

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rest of it. But I lived. I lived in Westerville for like five

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years a Hilliard. There's a Hilliard
restaurant that's reopening that someone and night my

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super chats on my podcast keeps talking
about like Nancy's Home kitchen or something like

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that. Are you familiar with this
restaurant, because that's all right? Yeah,

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Okay, Yeah, I've never I've
never been there. I've never heard

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of it, So I'm like,
why is the one bringing up? But

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I'm like, is it is because
Mary is it? Would she know or

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something? But are you a fair
enough I don't know. There's a couple

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mom and pop. I always actually
love any mom and pop restaurants, so

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I shouldn't be such a g it, But yeah, I think there's a

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couple real good ones there. I'm
just always grateful when there's any mom and

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pop restaurants that aren't just these like
chain monsters that are making their way through

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the Midwest. So it's always lovely
to have something that's like a bit more

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local. Yeah, there was a
gian Carlos or Giodorno's. There was something

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like that right down the street from
us. That we would go to,

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an Italian restaurant in Westernville. We
hit that up all the time. What

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movie complex did you go to when
you went to go see movies in Columbus?

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We went to Marcus pretty frequently on
twenty three and two seventy, right

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off the highway there. Yeah,
I don't I need a second. I

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wish I could remember this off of
the cuff. And I can't, right,

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But I went to a really small
movie theater that had like only two

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theaters in it, and it was
in what was that little fucking place called

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in Columbus. I'm gonna google it. Yeah, go ahead. It's amazing

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how quickly with movie theaters getting better
in recent years, especially like since the

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pandemic, that when you go back
to one that like we saw Done Too

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last night and like a nice movie
theater, it was fine, but the

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seats didn't recline, and like AMC
like all has those like awesome AMC recliners

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now, especially like Dune two,
like almost three hour movie, Like you

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want to be back there reclient?
Yeah yeah, and these were like cuffy

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seats, but we want to put
our peede up. Yeah I do.

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I You're right. It's very interesting
how little it takes me to be like,

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well, I can't go back to
just normal seats sitting down. That's

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for schmucks. I need to be
laying down and watching a movie. Yeah,

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that's the problem with SO. Like
SO, I was just saying how

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much I really like mom and pop
restaurants because I think there's more, there's

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more TLC. There's just like more
appreciation movie theaters. It's the opposite.

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You want big theater, you want
Corporo seat Master three thousand because they have

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all the innovations in popcorn, technol
laser projectors. Yeah, all that's not

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all that shit in a theater.
So it's like the opposite. The place

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where I used to always go,
which I can't find now is like I

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hope it didn't maybe it shut down. Uh it it like had only two

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theaters and the audio was not very
good, and I just remember being like,

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you know, it's not a great
theater, but it's ours. Yeah,

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crappy theater we like in Ohio.
Do you have B and B theaters?

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What's that? Okay? I had
never heard of this either until I

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stayed in Kansas for like a month
last summer. I was waiting for my

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house to close, and apparently B
and B is like a big chain.

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Now. I didn't know if it
was like all the Midwest or just Kansas,

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but it was. It was fine
where we saw Barbie and Oppenheimer.

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But yeah, it starts with this
like really earnest thing of the family talking

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about how important it is that you
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And it's like from our own family
and there's like nine hundred kids. I

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don't know if it's like this giant. It's like a very giant, very

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like Christian looking family from Kansas,
I imagine. But they're from Liberty,

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Missouri. That checks out. Oh
yeah, yes, yes, all right,

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yes, where you have to have
eighteen kids. Yeah, but I

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guess those are like big. Now
I didn't have to stretch all the way

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out to Ohio, but it was
fine. Yeah. I never saw one

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in Ohio before I moved in.
Now coming back, it's like, now,

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it's all it's a MC and Regal. That's about all I see.

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the big dogs they've taken. Uh
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don't remember what San Francisco is.
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got addicted to the Alamo Draft House
in Denver. That's stuff, but you

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got to get addicted to the Alamo. It was awesome. I I was

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just think, it's like, you
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you're like there to be there for
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tonight, we're doing Rocky four and
we're going to make a dinner for you

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that is like, you know,
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to pair up with a draft beer
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beers come out all night and you
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it just comes to you. And
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was so good. I really enjoyed
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miss the Alamo Draft House quite a
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because the only time I've gone in
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I fell asleep in the front row
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it's company enough to fall asleep,
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on planes either, So maybe before
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to put on a live show and
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I knew I was going to fall

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asleep in that movie. So I
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me snoring, I poke me,
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fell. I knew, I knew
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I was so tired, and so
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don't feel like I'm asleep, but
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closing. I can feel that,
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like, oh, was I snoring? He's like yeah, dude, cool,

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cool, thank you. And then
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it. It was a good movie. I enjoyed it. I'm like some

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people, I might as well have
not seen it. The little bit opinion

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I have of it. It's such
a good film too, but you get

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to enjoy it for the first time
again because really good. Yeah, but

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very kind of I don't know,
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of lens itself. No whit be
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either way, it's muted. It's
not very saturated. You know what

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the difference between Godzilla minus one and
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about the same. It's a very
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Maybe I'll go back to it at
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it. I recommend it at gub
It was Grand View Theater. This is

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oh sure, Yeah, it was
like that like smaller indie independent theater it

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used to go to and you could
have beer in it, and I remember

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thinking that was really cool. Yes, that's becoming standard. I think you're

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in the theater. Yeah, so
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thing now mcguffins. Yeah, the
AMC at Easton would have mcguffins. That's

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the first time I saw like a
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oh, yeah, that's cool.
One day I'll be able to drink and

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enjoy that. Yeah, I remember. Yeah, we went to Universal to

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do we did the Mario movie thing
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you know, grab me, you
and Manati and jam what to see it

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and uh yeah, I remember they
had a bunch of like Jurassic World gimmick

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drinks and stuff and got to buy
those and bring them to Mario and that's

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a good time, Like yeah,
oh yeah, absolutely. Then that was

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fun. That was cool, cool
seeing the movie like they're at Universal and

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all that stuff. At that time. Mary, I feel like whenever you're

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talking to Grub, it's always under
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really drilling down into the heart of
the industry and your day job and

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the hard questions and everything, and
she's the best at like just smacking them

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away too, so that's always fun. I try to stay frosty with those

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hard hitting grub questions, like I
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I didn't do that shit. Bit
leave me alone. I can't.

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I'm usually running around during those things
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like get to see a lot of
them, So like, are there any

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like grub are you going after her
with like twitch questions or is it just

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I would just like I'm like I'll
just bring it up, and then when

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she slaps away, it's like,
yeah, cool, that's completely fair,

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to be like, oh, they're ignoring

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it, And if she wants to
talk about she has the opportunity, and

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if she doesn't want to talk about
it, then that's good too, Like

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yeah, that's the way it kind
of go. That's the process in my

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brain where I'm like, it's at
least worth bringing up, and then if

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we don't talk about it, that's
fine too. It is relevant. It's

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what the people are talking about.
But usually and this is what I would

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do for anyone who asked me that. I would always be like, oh,

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that's definitely a CEO question. Do
you want me to go get him?

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bring him in and then he can

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answer the hard hitting questions, because
right, and that's what and I figure

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most of the time that's what's going
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that that's you know, writing news
for a very long time, it was

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like, well, did you ask
for a comment? It's for my editor

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and so they're not going to respond. But the point is you still need

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to go ask. So they say
they didn't respond, So you did your

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part, You did your due diligence. And I think it's that part of

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my brain that's like firing there.
Your journalistic integrity kicks it on this in

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Google alert, Yeah, exactly going
on. I saw someone mad about this

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on the internet and I didn't look
any further. So why don't you tell

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me about it? Mary? Yeah, what are you seeing? What's everyone

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pissed about? Grumb what is it? Everyone's mad about everything right now?

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Don't you worry about that. It's
been a stressful week. Actually, I

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would just say, like, this
is one of those like what a tough

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year in games where like every time
when there's something trending, when gaming is

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trending, I'm like, ah,
what the shit is up now? And

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I know it's bad. I know
some shit went down in the industry and

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we're all gonna have to like deal
with it. It's just been that year.

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People are just people are on edge, and everyone I think is kind

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of at each other's throats because of
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it seems like so it's like I
I don't want to feed it,

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like that's usually where I'm at,
Like I don't want to like fan those

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flames at all, Like hopefully it
just dies down. I mean, do

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you think like everyone that's like Madden
on edge, do you think they just

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stopped paying attention to video games entirely
and just like really took up like bird

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watching or something that it would just
like instantly fix. Like Oh, they'd

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be fucking really pissed about birds.
No one blue jays, and we think

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it's the mayor's fault and we're going
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rocks at his window, like the
old bird watching drama. There's drama every

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scene groups of bird watching with the
internal drama. Yeah, you too many

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crows, Like there's always like some
problem that the bird community is. Really

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if there's people involved and birds,
then there's going to be drama. Absolutely.

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Yes, So like Grub, you've
been doing the news thing for like

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did you did you like want to
go into news when you wanted to go

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in dow. Yeah. I think
when I was like like coming up,

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I would uh yeah, I would
read Quarterman and the news stuff first,

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like the EGM, and then I
would read the reviews, and then I

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think I would read the previews things
like that. And the previews were always

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like, you know, nebulous about
like, well, what is this actually

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gonna matter? It's this game actually
gonna be good? No one could tell

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you yet, So I'm only a
little interested in that. But and then

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when I would start listening to video
game podcast, I enjoyed the news conversations

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the most, like it's like,
uh, people talk about what's actually happening,

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and then you know, the video
game conversations were definitely up there as

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well. But yeah, I think
part of me has always been attracted to

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that. Yes, when do you
think news got like because you know,

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we both grew up in the age
of you know, EGM and Game and

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Former in like very nineties games magazine
that we're not saying anything important and not

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trying to When was that shoe?
I mean, what do you say?

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It was around like the Joystick Kataku
kind of like late twentys, early twenty

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tens like that from my head goes
I think where it started getting a little

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more like, hey, take us
seriously. Yeah, I mean I think

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it was it was EA spouses,
right, That's when it was when the

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spouses of EA employees were saying,
hey, we never see the people that

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were married to that are making all
your video games. And then I think

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a lot of people were like,
wait, why aren't we talking about this

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like they're human beings responsible for all
these things. We need to like,

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yeah, we could keep talking about
how excited we are for a game and

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how many guns and how many levels
are in each thing, but that seems

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kind of stupid compared to real human
lives. And I think something clicked at

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that point, And then ever since, people have been like re examining exactly

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what their role is inside the video
game industry apparatus and all that stuff.

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Was that around at the same time
as I didn't you know, San Diego

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with Red Dead there was like a
wives of Rockstar thing? Was that That

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was a few years later, Yeah, but yes, it was definitely part

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of that lineage. Yeah, okay, yeah. It's like I feel like

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for all the similarities you and I
have grub I think the way we were

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getting the same magazines and reading the
same stuff, and we're roughly around the

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same age I was. You know, I would read the Quarterman stuff and

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I would read this stuff about like
the business stuff. It didn't really I

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went straight to the review crew.
That was my thing. And I remember

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when I all I did was review
before Game Informer, and I think it

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was my first week at Game Informer. Disney bought Marble, and I never

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once written a new story in my
life, never thought about writing a new

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story. I was a reviews.
I've written six hundred reviews, zero news

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stories. And I remember Reiner,
my boss Game Informer, came up and

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he's like, hey, can you
write up a new story about Disney buying

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Marble, which, first of all
topic I know nothing about either of those

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companies, no interest in either of
those companies, and I don't know how

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to write a news story, but
I just started my dream job and I

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was just kind of like I didn't
want to suck it up, and so

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I was like, how many stars
do I give it? Out of five?

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It was a ten point system.
It was a fun factor on this

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acquisition, off the charts. But
I was like trying to figure out how

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to ask without seeming like a complete
dumbass. And I was like, yeah,

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so, like, you know,
with a story like this, you

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know, what would you know,
like step one, what do you think?

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You know, what's the usual you
know thing here? And he's like,

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oh, you know, uh,
call him up. I was like,

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I'm sorry, what, Yeah,
call him up? And or Marvel,

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what are you fucking talking about?
Like I think the article is.

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I think I found it on the
internet archive or something. It's whatever week

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that happened and would have been on
the old ass game and former site.

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And I'm sure it's just a riveting
riveting Uh, I'm sure. I talked

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to everyone. I talked to Walt. He had a lot to say.

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God, But yeah, that was
my first one, and I spent the

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rest of my career trying to never
have to do news. Yeah, it

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was It's dimple. You're right,
Like, it's like I would go to

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it and I would do one thing
you do that I think, which is

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kind of different interest in that stuff. But when I was learning to write

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about news, though, it was
still a pretty similar process where I'm like,

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I actually don't know how this sausage
is made. So when I went

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from like writing a blog on one
up to being and then realizing like around

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two thousand and eight that that all
that stuff was going to blow up,

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so trying to start my own thing
and then doing a little bit of stuff

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here on the side. But then
when Dan Shue left one up and started

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bitmob and I went to go volunteer
for him, part of that was like

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They're like, we'll edit you well, and I'm like, okay, that

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sounds pretty cool. I wonder I
wish I could make that happen. And

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00:23:34.759 --> 00:23:37.680
eventually someone got me in there and
they started editing me and teaching me the

407
00:23:37.720 --> 00:23:41.880
basics, and it was, you
know, learn on the job. Basically,

408
00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:45.640
do the volunteer work, write a
news thing every other day or something

409
00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:48.160
like that, and we are going
to edit the hell out of you.

410
00:23:48.200 --> 00:23:52.240
And they were a tough edit,
but I really didn't know what I was

411
00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:55.400
doing. I could not have just
gone from reading it to them producing the

412
00:23:55.440 --> 00:23:57.720
news without having that guidance. So
yeah, it was a process for me.

413
00:23:59.759 --> 00:24:03.799
It Texas specific type, because I
do find that, I would say,

414
00:24:03.839 --> 00:24:04.960
the majority of people, at least
in the time that I was kind

415
00:24:04.960 --> 00:24:07.359
of coming up and everything. It
might it's probably different now, but like

416
00:24:08.079 --> 00:24:11.119
I think most people wanted to get
free games and play games at work and

417
00:24:11.200 --> 00:24:15.440
review games and so like it was
so rare, Like we had eighteen editors

418
00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:18.799
when I started the Game Informer,
and nobody wanted to do news, so

419
00:24:18.839 --> 00:24:21.920
we would have a rotating news lead
day and so it would just be like,

420
00:24:21.920 --> 00:24:22.920
all right, Dan, it's you
today, Tim, it's you today,

421
00:24:22.960 --> 00:24:26.599
you know, And it was always
just like, you know, try

422
00:24:26.599 --> 00:24:29.039
to do one story an hour.
So it was always oh, new box

423
00:24:29.119 --> 00:24:32.599
Art announced for saying throw three or
whatever. It's like, okay, great,

424
00:24:32.599 --> 00:24:33.759
here's the box Art news story or
whatever, because none of us want

425
00:24:33.799 --> 00:24:37.640
to do it. And then enough
of us complained all the time and tried

426
00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:40.279
to get out of our news duties
that like, I think they got the

427
00:24:41.519 --> 00:24:42.920
message that, like we need to
have a dedicated news guy, and so

428
00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:48.039
they brought on Jim Riley from from
IGN. Then they brought in Mike Futter,

429
00:24:48.440 --> 00:24:51.000
and then after I left, it
was Emern Kahan and so they actually

430
00:24:51.039 --> 00:24:53.799
started like bringing in news people and
like as soon as we started doing that,

431
00:24:53.839 --> 00:24:56.119
like everyone else was like, oh
my god, we can pretty easy

432
00:24:56.160 --> 00:24:59.880
and yeah, not have to do
this thing that we are not. It's

433
00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:03.559
it's not doing anyone any favors.
We weren't doing good newswork by any means.

434
00:25:03.559 --> 00:25:04.680
I mean, I don't want to
speak for everyone, but like me

435
00:25:06.160 --> 00:25:07.880
and others that didn't want to do
news, we're get it. You're bad

436
00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:15.079
at your job. I think,
yes, job, it's a special,

437
00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:18.599
unique role that I think some people
gravitate towards. And I also think that

438
00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:23.119
it's something that in my observing because
I am also not a news person,

439
00:25:23.240 --> 00:25:26.000
I was features. So we're kind
of a three headed hydra. Right now,

440
00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:32.400
we have news and we have features. Right somebody's calling up rock Star

441
00:25:32.480 --> 00:25:34.920
because they said that they're going to
be delayed. Somebody's reviewing GTA five,

442
00:25:36.119 --> 00:25:40.000
and somebody asked to make that feature
about how you get all the sick cars,

443
00:25:40.079 --> 00:25:45.599
And that was me. I would
never probably touch news very often.

444
00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:49.680
What my experience was was Eddie M
McHugh, who did news for Game Spot,

445
00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:55.319
that dude was always on and it
was like something about this like always

446
00:25:55.400 --> 00:26:00.400
on personality where it didn't as far
as I'm aware, Maybe it did,

447
00:26:00.400 --> 00:26:02.519
but like, as far as I
was aware, it didn't seem to bother

448
00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:07.079
him that like if some crazy news
dropped at like nine pm, story was

449
00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:11.759
out, story was out, fifteen
minutes later it was it was published,

450
00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:14.000
and it was ready to go,
And I was like, was he doing

451
00:26:14.079 --> 00:26:15.559
right now? And he's probably like
at dinner, you know, like hanging

452
00:26:15.559 --> 00:26:18.920
out with his mom, not listening
to her like on his phone. He's

453
00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:21.680
getting it out. And that was
He was good at it. He was

454
00:26:21.759 --> 00:26:25.039
fucking good at it. But he
probably like was able to take time off

455
00:26:25.039 --> 00:26:30.960
in other ways. But my instinct
was you're kind of always aware and ready

456
00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:33.880
to go at any given moment on
call, like you're a doctor. Like

457
00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:37.799
I've seen it with like when when
Fletter started a game Informer. He was

458
00:26:37.839 --> 00:26:40.200
in town because he lived in New
York and we went to watch Monday Night

459
00:26:40.279 --> 00:26:42.480
Raw at my buddy Brian's place,
and in the middle of Raw, like

460
00:26:42.599 --> 00:26:47.680
John Ricotello like said something stupid and
he's like he's like, oh shit,

461
00:26:47.720 --> 00:26:51.440
I got to write this up.
I've been literally message yeah writing it up.

462
00:26:51.480 --> 00:26:53.680
Yeah. I've been at poker games
at Jason Schreyer's place, and in

463
00:26:53.720 --> 00:26:57.039
the middle of the poker game I
can't remember, there was some like bombshell

464
00:26:57.160 --> 00:27:00.759
fucking news story just hit in the
middle of this poker game, and Jason

465
00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:07.839
Schreyer's like, well, I should
probably do something about always see Shryer's tweets.

466
00:27:07.880 --> 00:27:11.640
He's like one of the number one
like always on. Like it's really

467
00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:15.680
cool to see someone who's good,
like just an ace at what they do.

468
00:27:15.880 --> 00:27:18.119
And a part of that I think
and like grub correct me, but

469
00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:19.920
it's like a part of that to
me is like you're gonna be first,

470
00:27:19.960 --> 00:27:22.839
second, or third. Like at
some point if it's like six hours later.

471
00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:26.559
I've seen news people apologize, like
they'll tweet, they'll be like,

472
00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:32.240
sorry, this is five hours late. My dog just died, you know.

473
00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:36.400
It's just like you're like an embarrassment
to have a news story that's five

474
00:27:36.400 --> 00:27:40.480
hours delayed. Yeah, And it's
that just the stuff doesn't always come down

475
00:27:40.519 --> 00:27:42.519
from like an external pressure. It's
like an internal thing I think we do

476
00:27:42.559 --> 00:27:47.880
to ourselves where it's uh, like
we value being there and to explain what's

477
00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:52.000
happening to people because it's like,
oh, that's important, someone should be

478
00:27:52.039 --> 00:27:55.000
doing that, And I think we
just talk ourselves into that position somehow.

479
00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:57.759
So yeah, I've definitely felt that, But I never really had too many

480
00:27:57.759 --> 00:28:00.000
people be like you got to be
first, you got to be out there.

481
00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:03.519
If anything. It was always like
we want to be take our time,

482
00:28:03.559 --> 00:28:04.839
make sure we get things right,
and like that's always a huge part

483
00:28:04.839 --> 00:28:08.920
of it too. But yeah,
it was just this sense of responsibility of

484
00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:15.039
like, hey, people are coming
to these stories looking for information or they

485
00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:18.039
are going to base ideas about the
industry on this stuff. We want to

486
00:28:18.039 --> 00:28:22.640
make sure that they have the full
pitcher right away. And yeah, I

487
00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:25.000
don't know, it's like a sense
of not justice, but there's a sense

488
00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:29.440
of like a responsibility to what is
happening and the people coming to this industry

489
00:28:29.440 --> 00:28:30.880
and trying to figure out what's going
on. Well, Greb, let's break

490
00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:33.960
this down because first of all,
let's plug your stuff here, because I

491
00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:37.039
want to go into all the stuff
you do in a given week, So

492
00:28:37.160 --> 00:28:38.359
go ahead and plug where the folks
can find you. Well, yeah,

493
00:28:38.359 --> 00:28:41.519
I'm with the shoot job with you
over a giant bomb. Of course,

494
00:28:41.960 --> 00:28:45.839
there was a great Blake Club today
everyone should watch, of course. But

495
00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:49.480
I also have a game Mess,
which is the podcasts I Guess Company,

496
00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:52.880
me and Mike do where we do
Less than the Ten Dogs on Tuesday,

497
00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:57.680
our Nintendo podcast in our general podcast
on Thursday, game Mess decides which used

498
00:28:57.720 --> 00:29:00.240
to be games Beat besides back when
when I work there, but I always

499
00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:03.440
like did everything with that, so
I owned it the entire time. So

500
00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:04.400
when I left there, I'm like, it's gonna take this with me.

501
00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:08.680
And then we do some special stuff
for a like Patreon members. I got

502
00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:12.640
a Jeopardy game I'm gonna be doing
this weekend with John Lenneman from Digital found

503
00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:15.680
Read things like that, so yeah, we're doing something. I'll do the

504
00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:19.559
occasional like YouTube video on the side
or whatever that I still enjoy doing.

505
00:29:19.640 --> 00:29:25.759
What's the bread and butter. I
really do like doing game as Mornings every

506
00:29:25.759 --> 00:29:30.680
weekday that it's really nice. It's
like I wake up and I get to

507
00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:33.559
talk about video games with people who
want to talk about video games with me,

508
00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:37.079
and it feels like when I'm done
with that each day, I'm like,

509
00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:41.200
if I did nothing else, I
would feel okay because we got that

510
00:29:41.319 --> 00:29:44.000
get a job. I did job
and we had a conversation. It was

511
00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:45.200
and it's like I accomplished the thing
I set out to do, which is

512
00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:48.279
let's get out there and have the
conversation about what's actually happening. So do

513
00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:51.720
you get up, like, because
you do the show in the morning every

514
00:29:51.759 --> 00:29:55.119
day, when do you get up? Are you getting are you seeing the

515
00:29:55.160 --> 00:29:56.240
news before you go to bed and
getting it prep for the next day.

516
00:29:56.240 --> 00:29:59.920
Are you wake up the morning seeing
what's happening and getting everything together? Like

517
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:03.720
how does that break down? The
always on this is like you know,

518
00:30:03.799 --> 00:30:07.839
I am on like social media and
things like that's all I see when things

519
00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:11.440
are happening. But I'm not like
these days, I'm not immediately like okay,

520
00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:14.920
I gotta do something with this.
I'm like just kind of fining that

521
00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:18.240
away, like okay, I am
going to probably talk about that. What

522
00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:21.240
is the angle? Like what's the
take? That was something that was you

523
00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:23.400
know, Shoe like talked about and
that's something that my other editors will talk

524
00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:26.119
about, like let's have an angle
for whatever story we talk about. So

525
00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:30.279
it's not just regurgitating what's happening for
game this morning, is I am like

526
00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:33.920
reading other people's news stories. Do
that in part to remind people there's a

527
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:37.400
lot of great reporting happening out there. But it's also like, okay,

528
00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:41.599
let's jump off from there so and
have the real conversation about what this means.

529
00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:44.680
And I'm thinking about, like what
I'm going to be talking about when

530
00:30:44.680 --> 00:30:48.200
I first hear the story many times. But really what happens is I get

531
00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:51.039
up, get the kids ready for
school, taking the school, I go

532
00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:53.880
for a walk in the woods two
boy five miles, and then I listened

533
00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:59.119
to usually some podcast or whatever while
I'm doing that most of the time,

534
00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:00.319
or I read the news, and
then I come home and I put the

535
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:04.839
show together at about like nine am, and then the show happens at eleven

536
00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:08.160
AM. Like I feel like I'm
always in awe of this because, like

537
00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:11.559
Mary, Mike and I talk a
lot about, you know, just because

538
00:31:11.559 --> 00:31:15.079
we all have day jobs, we
all have this, we all have side

539
00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:17.799
things that we're doing and try to
keep up with the social life and you

540
00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:19.319
know, other interests that aren't just
video games and everything, and that can

541
00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:23.240
be overwhelming. Like I constantly feel
overwhelmed of like god, damn, I

542
00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:26.759
just there's not just a couple hours
where I can just sit on a couch

543
00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:30.880
and do nothing. But we don't
even have kids. You have two kids,

544
00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:33.960
and you're doing more than any of
us. I feel between all these

545
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:37.039
different shows, I think you've got
the craziest schedule on Giant Bomb, I

546
00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:38.480
think you've got You've got the stuff
at night too with Manati, Like I

547
00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:41.559
just I it's like a Maharty thing
where it's like I don't know how we

548
00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:45.680
can be this like smaller and super
literature bowl at and travels the world and

549
00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:49.720
learns and sales across the ocean,
Like I don't know, Like where are

550
00:31:49.720 --> 00:31:55.519
you finding these reserves of time?
I mean, yeah, I'm not finding

551
00:31:55.519 --> 00:31:59.079
it in most of the time.
It's like it's coming away from other things.

552
00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:01.920
Part of it is like I like
doing it. That's a big part

553
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:05.200
of it. And I'm not doing
anything I don't want to be doing.

554
00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:08.519
But I do feel overwhelmed all the
time. And I think the reality is

555
00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:10.960
even if I wasn't doing a lot
of this stuff, I would still feel

556
00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:15.759
overwhelmed because I would just be you
know the ADHD. I would be procrastinating

557
00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:17.640
or I would be, you know, one of the things with ADHD is

558
00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:20.960
you no matter what you're doing,
you always feel like you're doing the wrong

559
00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:23.960
thing. I should be doing this
instead, and that is that's really frustrating.

560
00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:27.759
And one of the ways to fight
that is kind of like just always

561
00:32:27.799 --> 00:32:31.000
be doing something. So uh,
it does feel like burning the candle at

562
00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:34.960
both ends a lot of the time, and sometimes that gets to me.

563
00:32:35.079 --> 00:32:37.759
But I'm like, uh, taking
a queue from you, Dan, I

564
00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:42.240
started meditating recently and that has helped
a ton. I haven't heard you mentioned

565
00:32:42.279 --> 00:32:44.640
that. Let's Seeah, it's only
it's been a recent thing. I've been

566
00:32:44.680 --> 00:32:47.519
having really bad brain fog for like
the last like three months, sure,

567
00:32:47.680 --> 00:32:51.480
and I was like, this is
a health thing. I'm not sleeping.

568
00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:53.359
I went to go see a doctor
who just did nothing to help whatsoever.

569
00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:57.799
It was a really frustrating experience.
Yeah, right, for real. The

570
00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:00.960
fucking always like super anti vaccines.
I don't get her say I know that.

571
00:33:01.359 --> 00:33:04.759
I don't want to touchy subject here. I know you guys always argue

572
00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:09.200
about that. Where was she on
January sixth, is what I'm wondering.

573
00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:17.720
So I so I was like,
I have this bad brain fog and I

574
00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:22.640
was feeling discombobulated all the time,
and I'm like, part of this is

575
00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:24.400
probably, you know, the kid's
always giving me a cold or whatever.

576
00:33:24.440 --> 00:33:27.519
I think I probably have an ear
infection. I've had had time to go

577
00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:30.519
do something about that, but I
was like, it's something else. I

578
00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:34.759
feel like I'm probably stressed and not
dealing with it. So I'm like I

579
00:33:34.839 --> 00:33:38.400
am during my morning walks. Now, I will do the breathing exercises.

580
00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:43.160
I will try to let the thoughts
go for at least like half of the

581
00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:45.960
walk and feel that, you know, the foot hit the ground and stuff

582
00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:50.720
like that, and focus on that
instead and being a little bit more mindful.

583
00:33:51.160 --> 00:33:54.000
It was almost an immediate difference.
It was almost coming out of it

584
00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:58.240
being like, man, any who
cares if it's placebo effect, I don't

585
00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:00.599
care whatever it is. I felt
immediately better, and it's like, Okay,

586
00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:04.559
this is something that is working.
So yeah, that has made a

587
00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:07.519
huge difference with Mike dealing with all
these things happening all the time. It's

588
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:09.000
been made it a lot easier.
I'm so glad to hear that because I

589
00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:13.280
feel like, you know, I'm
always talking about how great meditation has been

590
00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:15.840
for me, but I feel like
a lot of people, you know,

591
00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:16.760
think like, oh, that sounds
great, I should try it. And

592
00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:22.679
I do get the sense a lot
of people try it, and I'm not

593
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:24.000
saying they're doing it wrong or anything, but some people will sit and they'll

594
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:27.920
sit for ten minutes, and you
know, I don't get this sense when

595
00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:30.000
I talk to them later that they're
trying that they're just kind of like sitting

596
00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:32.760
and waiting for it to be over
and just going through their normal thought process.

597
00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:36.880
But like, meditation isn't about just
like clearing your mind out and not

598
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:39.760
thinking or just waiting for ten minutes
while not doing something. It is a

599
00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:43.239
very active thing, like or you
were talking about when you're doing a walking

600
00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:45.440
meditation, it is about as you're
walking, you're not up in your head

601
00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:47.440
thinking about other step. You were
thinking about your foot hitting the ground,

602
00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:51.599
you're smelling the leaves, you are
focusing on the bread. You sound as

603
00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:53.199
far away as possible. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, It's not about just

604
00:34:53.199 --> 00:34:57.000
like nothing happening in your brain.
No, you're giving like intense focus too

605
00:34:57.079 --> 00:35:00.599
specific things basically, So like I
feel like it's I was like you are

606
00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:04.440
doing it, you were properly meditating
and seeing the results, which is awesome

607
00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:06.320
to hear. Well, you know, it was cool. It was you

608
00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:09.199
know, having a real job.
I like looked in our thing or whatever,

609
00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:13.679
our sequoia and it's like, I
bet we have like one of those

610
00:35:13.719 --> 00:35:16.000
apps of pre meditation, and we
had we had called we now have Headspace.

611
00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:19.760
So I was like, I was, oh, I'll just download Headspace

612
00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:21.719
and I signed up. Like on
my walk, I'm like doing this.

613
00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:23.079
I'm like okay, and I've been
listening to a few of those. But

614
00:35:23.159 --> 00:35:27.880
even when I'm like just doing it
on my own, it is good.

615
00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:31.639
It feels like good practice to be
listening and actively doing these things with like

616
00:35:32.119 --> 00:35:36.880
with what my body is doing with
breathing or with sounds or with feel and

617
00:35:36.920 --> 00:35:39.400
then when the thoughts occur, like
giving myself permission to let them go.

618
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:44.159
That's like that is just not something
we do naturally, Like you have to

619
00:35:44.199 --> 00:35:46.320
practice that and like be like and
then that makes you more aware of like,

620
00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:49.920
oh, I am having a thought
and that is a thought, not

621
00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:53.320
something that is actively coming for me, and that is that's huge. It's

622
00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:57.000
been huge for me. Well.
And something people don't get I think is

623
00:35:57.039 --> 00:35:59.800
that like they will get those thoughts
coming in their head while they're trying to

624
00:35:59.800 --> 00:36:01.440
meet Tate and they'll think, Oh, I'm doing it wrong. Oh I'm

625
00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:05.639
failing, I'm bad at this.
No, that is the practice I've meditated

626
00:36:05.719 --> 00:36:07.559
for over twenty years, and that
happens to NonStop with me. The practice

627
00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:12.480
is acknowledging when the thought comes in, acknowledging it and letting it move.

628
00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:16.119
That's the hard thing. That's the
part that you're supposed to just be like,

629
00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:20.559
it's okay to let it go.
That's what you're practicing here actually,

630
00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:22.599
So yeah, identify with it.
Yeah I did that today because, like,

631
00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:25.280
you know, there was a lot
of like tech stuff going into Blake

632
00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:29.079
Club where it's like, you know, like we're Jan's Internet was out and

633
00:36:29.119 --> 00:36:31.199
so this video came in like while
we were on the air, and you

634
00:36:31.199 --> 00:36:35.679
know, I don't do a lot
of streaming gameplay specifically, and like sometimes

635
00:36:35.679 --> 00:36:37.119
like my stuff wasn't fucking up.
We were gonna basically, there's a lot

636
00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:39.599
of pre show stuff that was like
coming in super hot, and I was

637
00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:43.840
stressing about it, and then we
did the show. It's two hours or

638
00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:46.679
whatever of me playing fucking Superman sixty
four, which is the least relaxing thing

639
00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:50.800
you could imagine, and then doing
all this work to play Superman sixty four.

640
00:36:50.960 --> 00:36:52.679
Yeah. Yeah, and then it's
like I was really hungry afterwards,

641
00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:55.039
and it's like, ah, I
got like ten minutes before the next meeting,

642
00:36:55.079 --> 00:36:58.000
and I got to do all my
invisiitline ships. I'm trying to shove

643
00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:00.480
a peanut butter sandwich in my face
and clean my fucking bisiline I get in

644
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:01.639
the meeting. I'm sitting in the
meeting for like forty minutes. I know

645
00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:06.079
my brain is just fried. Too
many foods that would have worked better.

646
00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:14.599
I like peanut butter sandwiches, so
I'm going straight for my delicious peanut butter

647
00:37:14.639 --> 00:37:16.360
sandwich so I can clean and everything. Get in the meeting. My brain's

648
00:37:16.400 --> 00:37:19.480
just fried. During the meeting,
it's you know, thirty minutes or whatever

649
00:37:19.519 --> 00:37:22.239
it was. And then it's over
and I'm like, Okay, there's still

650
00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:24.280
like like an hour and a half
sunlight. Now we'll go to do fire

651
00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:27.760
skip later. I'll go on a
walk. It's nice outside, I'll you

652
00:37:27.760 --> 00:37:30.039
know, So I go outside going
the walk. I brought my headphones and

653
00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:30.880
my first thought was like, oh, I'm going to listen to the new

654
00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:34.559
Deadlock podcast. That I like,
and then I was like, wait,

655
00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:37.559
hang on, no, there have
been things I have I have had to

656
00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:44.119
be on for several hours being whether
in meetings or on the show or hearing

657
00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:47.400
things, and might like I want
to just listen to some fucking birds as

658
00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:51.360
I walk down the neighborhood or maybe
it's twenty five minutes, but I'm just

659
00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:53.280
going to focus on these birds,
and it gives me so much. Like

660
00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:55.880
when I come back and eat dinner
and do this show, I'm like,

661
00:37:55.960 --> 00:38:00.400
I'm just kind of recentered there.
Yeah. Actually, like being able to

662
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:04.719
hear a tree rustling that is like
one hundred feet away and recognizing that is

663
00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:07.920
somehow restorative. I don't know what's
happening there. I don't care. Again,

664
00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:10.519
whatever it is, it makes me
feel way better. I I don't

665
00:38:10.519 --> 00:38:15.719
think that you have to be You
don't need like a doctor to explain that

666
00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:22.199
finding yourself in the present time is
good for you. And you're always lost

667
00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:25.960
in your thoughts that you don't realize
what time it is, what day it

668
00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:30.079
is, where you're at in your
life right now, how old you are

669
00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:34.000
in the span of how old you
ever will be, the things that bring

670
00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:37.480
you joy and not like those are
just like there's so many conflicting ping pong

671
00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:42.199
balls that are bouncing around in our
brains. Being able to acknowledge that it's

672
00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:47.519
slightly cool outside and that that feels
good on your skin is important for us,

673
00:38:47.559 --> 00:38:52.039
like we are existing in this space, and I also think like it

674
00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:55.320
kind of takes us back to just
a bit of our animalistic instincts. We're

675
00:38:55.320 --> 00:39:00.239
so high and mighty with all of
our important documents and job stuff. Sometimes

676
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:07.639
it's important to just realize that you're
a breathing being on this rock, and

677
00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:10.880
it's very cool and humbling to say
like, hey, it's just a regular

678
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:15.320
day and I'm alive, and that's
that's not too shabby, and that I

679
00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:17.960
think lets everything else fall by the
wayside a bit. Yeah, it's good

680
00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:21.800
to get in the habit of,
you know, noticing when you're kind of

681
00:39:21.800 --> 00:39:23.239
getting up in your head with that
stuff and you're not paying attention to what's

682
00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:25.760
going on moment to moment. Like
I can't tell you how many times I've

683
00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:29.159
been like running between like Okay,
I got five minutes in this meeting,

684
00:39:29.159 --> 00:39:30.480
I'm gonna go up do this thing
or whatever, and then I'll like I'll

685
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:34.880
see like gizmo sitting on the couch, and I'll I'll run upstairs and he'll

686
00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:37.280
look at me and he'll start wagging
his tail because he's excited to see me.

687
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:38.480
And my you know, when I'm
in that mode of like I got

688
00:39:38.559 --> 00:39:40.719
to hurry, I do this thing. Sometimes I'll pass him right by and

689
00:39:40.760 --> 00:39:44.119
I'll go grab a water from the
bridge or whatever and go to run downstairs.

690
00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:45.599
Got on the computer, but I
realized, like, wait a minute,

691
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:49.079
no, hang on that that dog
just looked at me and he was

692
00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:52.159
a happy damn dog. Yeah,
he was happy to see me. And

693
00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:54.519
I can't just go downstairs. And
so even if it's just for twenty seconds,

694
00:39:54.519 --> 00:39:57.519
just going to get oh hey buddy, Oh you're such a good boy.

695
00:39:57.519 --> 00:40:00.719
You know, it's just grounding yourself, just coming to the present moment.

696
00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:04.639
I think all of our jobs,
I think all of us are so

697
00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:07.000
uh, those moments aren't built in, and I think we have to find

698
00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:09.800
those or you could do what some
people do and self medicate with just too

699
00:40:09.880 --> 00:40:14.079
much wine. I know I'm not
naming names or anything, but yeah,

700
00:40:14.119 --> 00:40:16.559
just get on your favorite sailboat and
your sailboat dock and yeah, yeah,

701
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:21.039
why do people just get on their
sailboat. Just get it, go hunt

702
00:40:21.039 --> 00:40:24.760
a whale with the bottle of s
And they always have like that novelty glass

703
00:40:24.760 --> 00:40:28.519
that's really big and they're just like, you know, one glass for me,

704
00:40:35.239 --> 00:40:37.119
go go Dan No. No.
I was just gonna ask on the

705
00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:39.360
meditation thing if Mary ber I don't
know, we've talked about this before,

706
00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:43.519
like if you tried meditation for or
what your thoughts are? Yeah, I

707
00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:49.679
learned. Uh. I took a
class with a certified she was a peer

708
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:52.039
of mine in work, and was
like, oh, yeah, I meditate.

709
00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:53.920
I have to. It's like the
most important thing. And I did

710
00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:59.079
a class with her just for fun, and I did find that it was

711
00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:02.239
important. I don't similarly, like
to Grub, I was like, I

712
00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:05.320
don't care about the science. I
don't care about the art. I don't

713
00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:07.920
care about the rules. I don't
want to know nothing. To me,

714
00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:13.599
what grabbed me was the art of
nothing. And because I have so much

715
00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:16.400
stuff going on, it is of
value to me at some point in my

716
00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:23.480
day to have no audio and no
video and for me to just exist.

717
00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:29.920
And so I do. I do
practice that now where it's funny. I

718
00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:31.079
don't even I don't know if I
use the word practice right like I'm not.

719
00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:36.280
I never really labeled it meditation.
What I do is I have quiet

720
00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:42.119
time where I'm not supposed to be
looking at four dozen open screens, and

721
00:41:42.199 --> 00:41:45.440
I look at something that exists in
the world, the sky. I love

722
00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:50.280
looking at like water, if possible, something that feels organic and living,

723
00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:54.639
and I will just enjoy that for
like ten to fifteen minutes. I make

724
00:41:54.719 --> 00:41:59.840
myself do it. I think it's
it has made me better at my job,

725
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:04.440
quite frankly, because there are things
where I'll read email and I'll be

726
00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:06.800
like, that person's dumb is shit, and I kind of want to say

727
00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:07.480
it, like I'll like start to
reply, and the I'll be like,

728
00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:10.440
I'm gonna look at the sky and
I realize a lot of the things that

729
00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:15.000
I get upset about don't fucking matter. A lot of the things that we

730
00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:21.360
get upset about and like feel so
important at the time are so fleeting,

731
00:42:21.679 --> 00:42:24.760
and they're just emotions that we can
totally control and let go of. So

732
00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:30.039
me doing nothing looking at sky,
all that stuff is very valuable. I

733
00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:34.320
never really called it meditation, but
I would consider it completely on par with

734
00:42:34.360 --> 00:42:36.800
what you're talking about. What I
was going to say, is I think,

735
00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:38.679
yeah, you you were really good. It seems at doing things that

736
00:42:38.719 --> 00:42:42.440
like are maybe not meditation in the
traditional sense, but like you know,

737
00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:45.000
also you're always posting, like you
know, stuff on Instagram like you and

738
00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:49.719
Simon, like hiking and being by
a lake or hiking up a mountain or

739
00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:53.360
something that's like that is not you
know, meditation by definition, but you

740
00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:57.599
are walking around. You're not just
get a bunch of tabs open and text

741
00:42:57.679 --> 00:43:00.320
and stuff. You're just like with
a dog in nature, like that's that's

742
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:05.639
kind of the same effect. If
I'm not working, I am probably at

743
00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:09.960
a park with my dog. That
is the place where I feel the most

744
00:43:10.199 --> 00:43:15.519
sane and functional, and it's very
important to me and even if I can't

745
00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:21.360
have that. I recently uh very
similar to Mike. We were very close

746
00:43:21.480 --> 00:43:23.880
in proximity. Last week. I
was also in the Netherlands, so I

747
00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:29.480
had to fly like thirteen hours.
I put on my big full ear coverage

748
00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:34.400
headphones. But instead of watching something
on the TV, I had nothing in

749
00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:37.639
my headphones. And I looked out
the window and I was like, now

750
00:43:37.679 --> 00:43:43.599
I will just look at clouds for
ten minutes with no Internet activities or anything.

751
00:43:43.639 --> 00:43:45.559
Like that. No games, Oh
my god, I could play games,

752
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:49.639
but I just like you look outside
and you just process for ten minutes.

753
00:43:49.679 --> 00:43:52.239
It's good for you, and tell
you touch grass like that. Kind

754
00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:54.639
Yeah it's a joke and stuff,
but it's just serious, Like god,

755
00:43:54.760 --> 00:43:59.679
dude, it I mean like you
just need to be reminded sometimes that that,

756
00:43:59.840 --> 00:44:01.559
like everything that's happening, our just
organ's working. Like you got your

757
00:44:01.559 --> 00:44:06.159
brain is an organ and it's and
I think anytime you're getting in touch with

758
00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:10.239
nature and stuff like that or being
mindful, it is a really quicker reminder

759
00:44:10.280 --> 00:44:14.440
of that, and then it helps
you control or helps you be in peace

760
00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:16.559
at peace with those things. I
think a little bit more. I'm I'm

761
00:44:16.599 --> 00:44:21.519
super tempted now because I've always loved
the idea of doing the like long meditation

762
00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:22.760
retreat. Like I've read enough books
about meditation stuff, and a lot of

763
00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:25.400
people are like, that's where you're
really going to find out, like how

764
00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:29.559
you're wired and you know what you
need to work on is you do one

765
00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:31.800
of these you know, three five
ten day meditation retreats or whatever. Now

766
00:44:31.800 --> 00:44:35.079
I've done it one day and it
was very interesting and I liked it a

767
00:44:35.079 --> 00:44:37.639
lot. It felt good. But
I was looking for like a weekend meditation

768
00:44:37.719 --> 00:44:40.679
retreat I could do around here,
and there are ones. Apparently it's called

769
00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:45.360
Vipinasa hypnosa. I'm sure I'm doing
a great job pronouncing. But it's a

770
00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:49.159
ten day and it's only ten day, and it's not far for me.

771
00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:52.360
It's like an hour and a half
and you are there for ten days.

772
00:44:52.599 --> 00:44:53.840
They take your phone, they take
your wallet, they lock it up,

773
00:44:54.280 --> 00:44:57.840
they give you your meals, they
give you a place to sleep, you

774
00:44:57.840 --> 00:45:00.119
know, they got a big like
kind of like place where you can walk

775
00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:04.880
around and everything, and it's just
you're meditating all fucking day for ten days.

776
00:45:05.079 --> 00:45:08.000
And it's it's donation only too,
so it's like it's not something where

777
00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:10.119
it's like it's some ten thousand dollars
thing. You know. You go there

778
00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:15.159
and you donate what you want to
donate, and I'm so fucking tempted by

779
00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:16.280
it. But like, I don't
take a ton of time off work,

780
00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:22.039
and the idea of like ten days
or days, I guess ten days,

781
00:45:22.239 --> 00:45:24.000
it'd probably be like, what's seven
days of work whatever? Use weekends yeah

782
00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:29.079
around there, Yeah, And it's
like, man, it's tough to justify

783
00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:30.079
like, I feel like it would
be. It's something I've wanted to do

784
00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:34.880
for many, many years. But
this hard to justify. Like I could

785
00:45:34.920 --> 00:45:37.239
go to fucking Aruba for a week
and a half, you know, Or

786
00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:43.239
I can go meditate in a Aruba. Yeah, if you give me the

787
00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:47.480
option, I'm not gonna meditate,
you live, I'm meditate in Hawaii,

788
00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:52.800
or I'm driving an hour and a
half to Wisconsin and sitting on a phone.

789
00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:55.480
I kind of want to, though, I kind of want to.

790
00:45:55.639 --> 00:46:00.280
It's just why ten days? Why
not seven? Is there? I wonder

791
00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:02.840
if there's like some science and maybe
you'd learn this if you went you actually

792
00:46:02.840 --> 00:46:07.679
like took took the bait and went. But like there must be a science

793
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:10.199
behind the idea that it probably takes
three days to actually let the fuck go.

794
00:46:10.559 --> 00:46:13.880
I've always been told that about vacation, right, Like, if you

795
00:46:13.920 --> 00:46:17.679
take a vacation, it could take
a week to actually get into vacation mode

796
00:46:17.719 --> 00:46:21.199
and be like, oh, right, I can relax, and then the

797
00:46:21.239 --> 00:46:23.320
other week is like the one you
actually relax at. Not that I've ever

798
00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:29.519
done a two week vacation in my
fucking life, but I've heard from healthy

799
00:46:29.559 --> 00:46:32.360
people that that's the right way to
go. I make the mistake with vacations

800
00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:35.960
of like I find out where I'm
going and then it's like a ton of

801
00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:37.519
research and like, all right,
day one is going to be dinner here

802
00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:40.519
and lunch here, and then in
between that we're gonna go ride horses here.

803
00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:45.719
Then we're gonna go We're gonna parasital
here. I don't think I've done

804
00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:50.800
a good job ever. Never,
I'd never agree to this. No,

805
00:46:50.920 --> 00:46:53.039
I'm never vacation with that. So
what do you do. Let's say you're

806
00:46:53.079 --> 00:46:59.000
going to Aruba for four days?
What's your plan going in? Nothing?

807
00:46:59.320 --> 00:47:01.559
I know, I'm saying here and
then for breakfast, I will leave my

808
00:47:01.719 --> 00:47:06.760
hotel and look around and find something
to eat, and then it will look

809
00:47:06.800 --> 00:47:08.960
around and find something to do,
and then I will have a nap.

810
00:47:09.400 --> 00:47:12.960
Do you do any googling of like, oh, they've got this cool they've

811
00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:15.840
got this amusing park, they got
this horse riding thing, like any pre

812
00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:21.639
vacation, Yeah, one activity.
Okay, that's that's a good that's a

813
00:47:21.639 --> 00:47:23.480
good rule of thumb. I'm like
very in vain, like the van of

814
00:47:23.559 --> 00:47:28.760
Mary where I'm where, It's like
the planning ahead would just add to the

815
00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:30.760
stress for me and being there and
then having to stick to that plan,

816
00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:34.000
it would add to the stress.
For me. It's not like, oh,

817
00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:36.239
we have a plan, what a
relief. It's like, no,

818
00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:38.639
now we got somewhere to be shit
that I have to deal with on my

819
00:47:38.639 --> 00:47:42.679
match. That's what I'm trying to
get away from. Yeah, now I

820
00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:45.039
get that for a lot of people
that is beneficial, And the reality is

821
00:47:45.079 --> 00:47:49.559
I'll go on vacation with Steph and
she has done a lot of googling and

822
00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:51.840
she has fun. Oh, the
hotel is going to have breakfast every day

823
00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:53.199
and we could just go downstairs and
eat breakfast and say, okay, you

824
00:47:53.199 --> 00:47:55.639
know what that owns. That's great. I'm glad you did this work to

825
00:47:55.679 --> 00:47:58.880
make sure we have that. So
there are some benefits to it, clearly,

826
00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:02.840
but for me personally it is,
Yeah, I would maybe make sure

827
00:48:02.840 --> 00:48:05.920
I have one thing so I don't
get there and you're like, oh man,

828
00:48:05.960 --> 00:48:08.000
everything's sold out. Like all these
fun things I did. I discovered,

829
00:48:08.159 --> 00:48:10.800
well it's a tickety thing like you
would to the Fargo Dan, And

830
00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:14.079
it's like when I was watching that
video, I'm like, it would have

831
00:48:14.079 --> 00:48:16.159
been cool if we could have had
like those things ready for him, so

832
00:48:16.199 --> 00:48:19.119
he didn't have to like just do
it, spread the moment and miss out

833
00:48:19.119 --> 00:48:21.800
on a bunch of stuff. Yeah, I think there is value. Like

834
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:23.360
when I did Japan, I was
like, I know, I want to

835
00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:27.480
see the Ghibli Museum. I know
it right, Yeah, you need those

836
00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:30.360
in advance, so I booked that
in advance. But a lot of the

837
00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:32.559
days it was like, I'm in
Kyoto today, what are we doing?

838
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:37.480
Well, let's yeah, figure it
out. I think there's I heard there

839
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:43.559
was shrines from a guy on the
subway, and you like, solve it.

840
00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:47.360
You know, it's a mystery.
It's like, now I'm this ding

841
00:48:47.440 --> 00:48:52.679
dong in this amazing world and I
get to figure out what is that makes

842
00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:54.480
that play so cool? Any How, I play games where I'm like,

843
00:48:54.760 --> 00:48:58.320
I don't I kind of want just
wander on my own and find stuff.

844
00:48:58.320 --> 00:49:00.320
It's why Breadth to the Wild Click
movie so much. I was like,

845
00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:02.880
just go, just go do it. I will say I do like having

846
00:49:04.079 --> 00:49:07.920
a friend in the group that's like
I'm the planner and I that is beneficial.

847
00:49:08.079 --> 00:49:10.320
Find a five start and it's like, fine, you can do that.

848
00:49:10.800 --> 00:49:16.280
But I like stumbling into things and
figuring it out. And sometimes it

849
00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:19.800
fails. That is true. I've
had like vacations where I was like,

850
00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:22.320
that was a why it's a really
bad restaurant and that didn't work out.

851
00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:25.519
But that's a part of my memory
of that place, which was like that

852
00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:30.360
I fucked up, Like I embraced
that kind of chaos, right. But

853
00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:32.840
the things I do remember, I
think I have more ownership when I stumble

854
00:49:32.840 --> 00:49:37.519
into things like the we went.
Uh. Steph was living in Europe for

855
00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:39.599
a couple of years early on when
we were dating, and I would go

856
00:49:39.679 --> 00:49:44.159
out there visitor and we did this
like Eastern European trip or like you know,

857
00:49:44.239 --> 00:49:46.960
Central European trip, and we were
in I think brought a slava for

858
00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:52.159
New Years and that was one of
the places where she didn't do as much

859
00:49:52.199 --> 00:49:54.360
planning, so it's like we didn't
have dinner planned out or anything like that.

860
00:49:54.400 --> 00:49:58.000
So I just went out and I
found like a tiny little schwarma place

861
00:49:58.320 --> 00:50:00.440
and we ate there a bunch of
times because it was really good, and

862
00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:01.920
I'm like, I stumbled in there, and I have memories so that because

863
00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:05.840
like I like, oh, I
did that process there, and I remember

864
00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:07.119
like where it is and what it
looked like and what it smelled like and

865
00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:09.599
all that stuff. So yeah,
I think it just builds stronger memories for

866
00:50:09.679 --> 00:50:13.760
me. Yeah, you know what
I feel like, next time I do

867
00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:15.559
a like vacation vacation like not a
work trip, I want to do just

868
00:50:15.639 --> 00:50:21.960
the you are, Like, yeah, I feel like every vacation I do

869
00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:23.679
there's a Google sheet involved, and
like, I think that does help in

870
00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:25.679
a way that like, you know, you do have to make some reservations,

871
00:50:25.679 --> 00:50:28.559
you do, and like, yeah, and to be fair, I

872
00:50:28.599 --> 00:50:30.800
think we do a good job.
Like when we and Bonco somewhere, Like

873
00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:32.840
you know, we went to New
Orleans last spring and it's like, Okay,

874
00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:36.239
we know we're doing lunch here,
we know we're doing dinner here,

875
00:50:36.440 --> 00:50:38.599
but we've got like a five hour
block in between where we're just gonna walk

876
00:50:38.639 --> 00:50:43.039
around the French Quarter, you know, and like that that helps to have

877
00:50:43.119 --> 00:50:45.039
that, But like I kind of
like the idea of going in and it's

878
00:50:45.039 --> 00:50:46.599
been like the whole thing is going
to be those blocks of time. Maybe

879
00:50:46.599 --> 00:50:50.559
with like one reservation somewhere. With
that kind of planning, you'd be good

880
00:50:50.559 --> 00:50:53.400
at planning a Disney trip, ironically, because you do have to plan everything

881
00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:58.320
ahead for those I think no second, are you Disney too, No,

882
00:50:58.320 --> 00:51:04.559
No, he's a Minati sleep agent. I enjoyed it. He did not

883
00:51:04.679 --> 00:51:07.199
have this conference. I like Disney
as much as as the next person,

884
00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:09.800
which is to say I like some
of their movies every once in a while.

885
00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:14.840
But I do really want to take
my little children to Disney World,

886
00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:16.320
Like, yeah, I want to
do that, Like that's what the whole

887
00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:20.320
idea is. I love the idea
of like you taking your kids at Disney

888
00:51:20.360 --> 00:51:22.599
World and being like, I didn't
do any research, I don't know where

889
00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:27.320
we're going kids, and they're like, oh what kids. You're fitting for

890
00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:30.320
yourself tonight. You know, you
talk about having a friend that knows their

891
00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:36.000
ship. I met Mike Manatty at
fucking Disneyland. You did talk about having

892
00:51:36.079 --> 00:51:38.079
the best possible person just walking around
be like here's this thing, here's this

893
00:51:38.199 --> 00:51:42.000
thing. He got to start the
fast pass to get on a bunch of

894
00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:45.840
Star Wars stuff, like he was
hand order. Exactly brilliant to go to

895
00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:51.679
Disney with a Disney adult. I
love that you min max the entire experience

896
00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:55.239
and you're not in charge. And
I actually think that that's very similar to

897
00:51:55.480 --> 00:52:00.280
the idea of me of not planning
things. If I'm around manners and it's

898
00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:02.079
like cool, take the wheel,
Jesus, you tell me where to go,

899
00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:05.880
you tell me what to order,
I'll do it and I can turn

900
00:52:05.960 --> 00:52:08.480
off my brain. That's very relaxing
for me. That's what That's what I'm

901
00:52:08.480 --> 00:52:10.000
here for, to turn off the
brain. Well, Mary, you can

902
00:52:10.000 --> 00:52:12.800
do that in about a month if
you with me. If you want to

903
00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:15.960
go to Philadelphia for WrestleMania, I
could. I could show you exactly where

904
00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:19.440
all this stuff is. When did
you start thinking that you could ever sell

905
00:52:19.480 --> 00:52:22.679
me on wrestle bing Dan, I
don't think it's WrestleMania. I don't think

906
00:52:22.679 --> 00:52:27.199
I'll get tickets, but I might
come out to uh do the what is

907
00:52:27.280 --> 00:52:31.519
the grilling? The tailgating a good
time? Yeah, because Jason Finelli's like

908
00:52:31.559 --> 00:52:35.960
he's gonna be out there all day, and I'm like I could. It's

909
00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:37.239
not like the worst drive in the
world. I keep like, take the

910
00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:39.840
train. That would be the worst
thing in the world, and I'm got

911
00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:44.599
there, eat with all y'all and
then go watch it somewhere and have like

912
00:52:44.639 --> 00:52:45.960
a really good experience. I don't
know. I think I might do that.

913
00:52:46.039 --> 00:52:51.000
I haven't tailgated since wrestlming at thirty
two in Dallas. I would love

914
00:52:51.079 --> 00:52:52.599
to tailgate with you. I love
tailgate, it just has never really come

915
00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:55.599
up with the wrestlemanas I've gone to. I would love to do that with

916
00:52:55.639 --> 00:52:58.480
you. Yeah, And I'm like, I was like, I keep thinking

917
00:52:58.480 --> 00:53:00.719
about him. Might do Jase.
It sounds like he's and make some real

918
00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:05.079
good food. So yeah, Philadelphia
tailgates. Right, that's like we're like,

919
00:53:05.119 --> 00:53:07.239
you jump in the fire and stuff. So I'm like, I'll let

920
00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:08.440
them do that, but I want
to watch that. I think we're shooting

921
00:53:08.519 --> 00:53:10.840
video there, so I feel like
we should probably be in that parking lot.

922
00:53:12.320 --> 00:53:14.280
Yeah all right, awesome, Yeah, I think I might trying to

923
00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:21.320
make that happen. Oh that sounds
good to talk about. Let's talk about

924
00:53:21.320 --> 00:53:29.599
some I did it you still,
Mike Skimmick, Yeah all right. Video

925
00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:32.000
game time is what Mike Maherty says, and I'm going to take his cat

926
00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:36.559
phrase there. We've all been playing
video games. Mary, I need to

927
00:53:36.559 --> 00:53:40.360
ask you something. Yes, Look, this is a once a year thing.

928
00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:43.880
I know my audience, I know
who I'm on a podcast with.

929
00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:46.320
I tend to have rules with not
talking. There's a reason I don't talk

930
00:53:46.360 --> 00:53:51.480
about wrestling much on this podcast.
It's because I'm the only wrestling person on

931
00:53:51.519 --> 00:53:57.239
the podcast. Typically, Mary,
we have someone here that also watches wrestling,

932
00:53:57.440 --> 00:54:00.000
and a wrestling game is out,
and this is when the embargoes up.

933
00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:02.519
Mary, should we just do you
want to peel the band aid off?

934
00:54:02.559 --> 00:54:07.719
Now? Yeah, you guys are
probably going to talk about wrestling stuff,

935
00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:13.039
so let's let's have at it.
You've correctly diagnosed what's about to happen.

936
00:54:13.079 --> 00:54:16.199
Mary, let me ask the questions. Yes, what was the game

937
00:54:16.920 --> 00:54:23.199
WWE two K twenty four for what
platform? I played it on the PlayStation

938
00:54:23.320 --> 00:54:28.159
five, but it's also on the
Xbox and the personal computer. How many

939
00:54:28.239 --> 00:54:31.039
levels? Well, there's three new
power ups, so let's talk about that

940
00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:37.320
is the value add Yeah, Dene
actually kind of works that way. You

941
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:39.960
can be like there's two new you
got ambulance matches and you got oh cobbin

942
00:54:40.039 --> 00:54:44.440
matches, you know, right,
it's the big game made still from that

943
00:54:44.519 --> 00:54:46.000
line of thinking where it's like we
need to have new bullet points on the

944
00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:49.840
back of the box, all kind
of like sports simps are like that.

945
00:54:50.199 --> 00:54:52.239
It's like, you know, yeah, it's everd the truth. Yeah,

946
00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:57.119
it is, well, there's three
covers. You've got You've got Cody Rhoads

947
00:54:57.360 --> 00:55:00.840
on the main cover, you got
Bianca Beell, Aaron Ray Ripley on the

948
00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:02.920
Delexe edition, and you've got a
bunch of guys that aren't Brock Lesner on

949
00:55:04.039 --> 00:55:09.679
the forty Years which mary. One
thing I was doing while I was playing

950
00:55:09.679 --> 00:55:13.599
this game, the Showcase mode,
which is the like forty years of WrestleMania

951
00:55:13.639 --> 00:55:16.079
thing is uh I wo'king for criminals? Yeah? Yeah, I kept a

952
00:55:16.119 --> 00:55:21.800
keen eye out on a couple fellas
in particular that I was curious how much

953
00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:24.400
they would be a part of this
game. Are you familiar with the current

954
00:55:24.440 --> 00:55:31.280
goings on with Vince McMahon and Brock
Lesner. They are both men, this

955
00:55:31.440 --> 00:55:38.000
is true? Yes, uh charge
what else is going on? Here's the

956
00:55:38.360 --> 00:55:44.079
very short version of a very long, very awful story. They're angry with

957
00:55:44.159 --> 00:55:50.320
each other. No, they they
were very close with each other. They

958
00:55:50.320 --> 00:55:57.960
were arranging play dates with each other
and n no, not for each other.

959
00:55:58.320 --> 00:56:00.760
Yeah, Brock didn't show up for
the play date and Vince role played

960
00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:05.519
ass Brock. Look, it's there's
a sixty eight or seventy two or something

961
00:56:05.519 --> 00:56:07.920
paid lawsuit. I've read every word
of it. They're suing each other for

962
00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:13.000
not play No, no, let's
be clear. It's very dark. They

963
00:56:13.599 --> 00:56:19.000
sexual trafficking, human trafficking. It
is not funny. It is funny,

964
00:56:19.000 --> 00:56:22.800
fucking terrible. They are legit the
worst kind of people. Yes, yeah,

965
00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:28.119
right, okay, so criminals,
criminals, sex traffickers, criminals.

966
00:56:28.199 --> 00:56:34.840
It's a Vince McMahon is not a
good person. I don't know about the

967
00:56:34.880 --> 00:56:40.000
other guy, Lesnar. Incredibly talented
wrestler, not a lot of evidence of

968
00:56:42.079 --> 00:56:45.239
I don't know. Moral Uh,
I don't. I don't think he's a

969
00:56:45.239 --> 00:56:51.599
great guy. Right, Like what
like vincemcman is part of like their contract

970
00:56:51.599 --> 00:56:55.880
negotiaans setting up these play dates and
setting up this this sexual trafficking for book

971
00:56:55.960 --> 00:57:00.880
listen. Well, the short version
again, basically, the lawsuit was from

972
00:57:00.920 --> 00:57:05.280
a woman, Janelle Grant, who
long story short, she lived in the

973
00:57:05.280 --> 00:57:07.840
same building as him. She needed
the job, her parents had passed away.

974
00:57:07.079 --> 00:57:10.039
She was in a very very bad
situation in her life financially. Again,

975
00:57:10.039 --> 00:57:14.000
this is all allegedly. This is
all in the lawsuit. He basically

976
00:57:14.159 --> 00:57:16.840
took her in, groomed her,
took her in a very vulnerable position,

977
00:57:17.039 --> 00:57:22.760
and trafficked her out to different executives
and exploited her. Lesner is the one

978
00:57:22.760 --> 00:57:27.440
who is not mentioned by name in
the lawsuit, but given the context,

979
00:57:27.480 --> 00:57:30.639
it's the only guy it could have
been. And so Vince is basically trying

980
00:57:30.639 --> 00:57:31.480
to get Lesnard to sign a new
deal and was like, hey, I'll

981
00:57:31.559 --> 00:57:36.679
let you have sex with my girl
here, and they arranged play dates and

982
00:57:36.719 --> 00:57:38.599
stuff, and it's just it's a
fucking awful story. I don't mean to

983
00:57:39.119 --> 00:57:42.239
you know, it is. It's
insane, but I don't want to make

984
00:57:42.280 --> 00:57:44.920
light of it. But it's all
to say. It is put Devide in

985
00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:49.480
a very interesting situation as of late, because they are pretty like, like,

986
00:57:49.960 --> 00:57:52.400
for instance, two K. The
position they've been in here is they

987
00:57:52.440 --> 00:57:55.719
were long in the works with his
forty years of WrestleMania mode being the big

988
00:57:55.760 --> 00:57:59.639
showcase mode, which is like,
we're going to show all these matches from

989
00:57:59.719 --> 00:58:01.840
you know, handly involved Brock Listener, who's been the major part of WrestleMania

990
00:58:01.840 --> 00:58:06.400
for the last twenty years. Right, he's like their poster child and now

991
00:58:06.440 --> 00:58:09.440
he's a big pervert and you can't
possibly put him on the cover. Well,

992
00:58:09.440 --> 00:58:12.599
they did take him off the cover. They took him off the cover

993
00:58:12.679 --> 00:58:17.360
fucking hope So well is he still
on the back? What's there? This

994
00:58:17.440 --> 00:58:21.000
came in hot video game, This
came in hard to take him out of

995
00:58:21.039 --> 00:58:23.920
other things the law superspial just change
the code, just wipe him out.

996
00:58:24.320 --> 00:58:29.039
Well, I'll tell you what they
did. The lawsuit happened in early January.

997
00:58:29.079 --> 00:58:31.679
The game is probably it came out
recently as of this posting of the

998
00:58:32.000 --> 00:58:37.840
podcast. And as much as Brock
has been a part of WrestleMania, WrestleMania

999
00:58:37.880 --> 00:58:42.880
is Vince McMahon's thing. It is
the thing that saved wree. We would

1000
00:58:42.920 --> 00:58:45.400
not have a w do Now without
it. It was Vince's brainchild. And

1001
00:58:45.480 --> 00:58:49.159
like anytime the history of WrestleMania is
brought up, it is inextricable with Vince

1002
00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:52.400
McMahon. And so that's very interesting
to see how they manage this. And

1003
00:58:53.400 --> 00:58:57.280
I was surprised there's more of them
than I expected. They made Brock lessener

1004
00:58:57.320 --> 00:58:59.760
where you can't pick him from the
main roster, like you can't go play

1005
00:58:59.760 --> 00:59:02.320
online and b Brock Lesner and you
can't be Vince McMahon. But when you

1006
00:59:02.320 --> 00:59:07.360
play the showcase mode, there are
several several things where this Wrestmania x seven

1007
00:59:07.400 --> 00:59:10.960
main event where its Stone Cold versus
The Rock, and Vince was heavily involved

1008
00:59:12.039 --> 00:59:14.719
with the finish, the storyline all
that stuff. So like you're in the

1009
00:59:14.719 --> 00:59:16.480
middle of the match and Vince that
like they have the Vin's character model come

1010
00:59:16.519 --> 00:59:20.519
down and he gets involved the way
he did and and you know, like

1011
00:59:20.559 --> 00:59:23.119
it's they're recreating these classic moments and
stuff. So he's like fully fully there,

1012
00:59:23.599 --> 00:59:29.480
character model and all during that match. But then later on they do

1013
00:59:29.519 --> 00:59:34.400
a quick like two second clip of
him introducing Charlotte Flair and they blur his

1014
00:59:34.519 --> 00:59:37.400
face, so such a weird thing
that like you were seeing put it to

1015
00:59:37.480 --> 00:59:39.559
him earlier, you were seeing his
character model as part of the match and

1016
00:59:39.559 --> 00:59:43.079
everything. I mean, there are
people speculating like, oh, did they

1017
00:59:43.079 --> 00:59:45.880
blur him in this one because he's
standing next to a woman? Is it?

1018
00:59:45.239 --> 00:59:49.800
You know, he's integral to the
match with the restaurant lured him like

1019
00:59:49.840 --> 00:59:54.119
he's like like he's a tit,
Like he's like yes, like he's like

1020
00:59:54.199 --> 00:59:57.920
trying to erase him from history the
way they've done in the past, notably

1021
00:59:58.280 --> 01:00:00.800
a murderer. He's he's there,
but he's his face has a censor blur

1022
01:00:00.920 --> 01:00:07.239
on it. Yes, I don't
know if I heard his voice in the

1023
01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:12.079
game, but he is all over
that Wrestling X seven match and they blur

1024
01:00:12.159 --> 01:00:15.119
his face briefly later on, so
he is present in the game. They've

1025
01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:21.079
clearly so weird. It's very,
very weird. And then they have a

1026
01:00:21.159 --> 01:00:24.000
history and ww has a history of
having to do this with several other criminal

1027
01:00:24.000 --> 01:00:29.960
wrestlers who have done terrible things of
like minimizing their presence or if they if

1028
01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:31.880
it's impossible not to show their stuff, to blur them and you know,

1029
01:00:31.880 --> 01:00:36.320
they had the WWE network and you
couldn't search for these wrestlers by name and

1030
01:00:36.320 --> 01:00:39.039
stuff like that. It's it's weird. I think going forward it's gonna get

1031
01:00:39.039 --> 01:00:44.159
even weirder because we've seen their advertisements
of them them using like deep fakes for

1032
01:00:44.599 --> 01:00:47.119
like Haul Cogan and Steve Steve Austin
and these commercials. I think they're going

1033
01:00:47.159 --> 01:00:51.320
to start doing that with these things
and like putting a generic face over and

1034
01:00:51.599 --> 01:00:53.039
McMahon in the future and make them
look like something else. Yeah, it's

1035
01:00:53.039 --> 01:00:59.360
gonna be fucking weird. Ghost faces
nobody. But it's like his body very

1036
01:00:59.440 --> 01:01:01.880
y, yeah, and Mary.
The added wrinkle to this is the company

1037
01:01:01.960 --> 01:01:06.440
just sold, So it's an Endeavor
is this company that owns UFC as well,

1038
01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:08.000
So you have C and Debitory wrote
owned by Endeavor now and so now

1039
01:01:08.039 --> 01:01:12.280
you've got these people that just spent
billions of dollars to get debitor E and

1040
01:01:12.360 --> 01:01:15.719
all this shit comes out about Vents
like the same week they announced the sale,

1041
01:01:15.760 --> 01:01:17.960
and like the rock is at the
stock exchange with Vince McMahon ringing the

1042
01:01:17.960 --> 01:01:21.880
bell and stuff, and then like
two days later the lawsuit hits. So

1043
01:01:21.920 --> 01:01:24.159
you got TKO. Now that is
like, fuck this, get this guy

1044
01:01:24.320 --> 01:01:28.239
out of here. We don't want
anything to do with this guy, even

1045
01:01:28.280 --> 01:01:30.320
though they, you know, were
pretty fond of it earlier it been in

1046
01:01:30.320 --> 01:01:34.480
front of them, but it's like
this is that this is like the fourth

1047
01:01:34.559 --> 01:01:37.119
round with Vents in this stuff.
This is like the worst of it.

1048
01:01:37.199 --> 01:01:42.719
But he's definitely been through the ringer
on sexually harassing people for years now and

1049
01:01:42.719 --> 01:01:46.840
he's left the company previously. Yeah, why can't he just be wiped from

1050
01:01:47.000 --> 01:01:52.119
existence? Like so what so what
he made? What? It seems like

1051
01:01:52.119 --> 01:01:54.320
they're in the process of maybe trying
to do exactly that. But it's a

1052
01:01:54.400 --> 01:01:58.039
video game and it's it was kind
of hard to get the stuff done,

1053
01:01:58.079 --> 01:02:00.519
I think. And it's to the
extent they can because and the thing is

1054
01:02:00.559 --> 01:02:05.880
to the the industry or that company
specifically, has always leaned so heavily on

1055
01:02:05.960 --> 01:02:07.599
nostalgia. You know. They own
these ips for you know, Hogan to

1056
01:02:07.639 --> 01:02:10.000
match a man in Austin and rock
and all these big stars from the past.

1057
01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:15.280
And they're very big on doing that. They're not fucking like right right'

1058
01:02:15.440 --> 01:02:19.599
shit. But because Vince was also
oh yeah I drink this shit. Yeah,

1059
01:02:20.920 --> 01:02:24.599
Vince wasn't just the guy in charge. Got the bar is so unbelievably

1060
01:02:24.679 --> 01:02:31.079
low. You name damn near anyone. How about that? Vince is Vince

1061
01:02:31.239 --> 01:02:37.880
is uh the worst you get in
wrestling outside of the several actually actual murderers.

1062
01:02:37.119 --> 01:02:43.920
Yes, so, because he was
such an on screen character throughout all

1063
01:02:44.000 --> 01:02:45.599
of it, you know, from
the time he was an announcer and everything

1064
01:02:45.599 --> 01:02:50.360
from the eighties to being a big
antagonist during the nineties to being just omnipresent

1065
01:02:50.360 --> 01:02:53.519
throughout the two thousands. It is
not that easy if you want to show

1066
01:02:53.559 --> 01:02:57.840
anything from the past and act like
de Wite wasn't just like born from the

1067
01:02:57.880 --> 01:03:00.719
womb. In February twenty twenty four, it's hard to get around Vince.

1068
01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:06.519
He is all over everything, so
everything. That is why I was so

1069
01:03:06.599 --> 01:03:10.360
interested to see how this is handled
here. And so yeah, that's all

1070
01:03:10.400 --> 01:03:15.039
you see Evince. He's not playable
or anything. Brock is playable. You

1071
01:03:15.079 --> 01:03:19.800
play as Brock listener in the Wrestlmingia
thirty match against the Undertaker, and in

1072
01:03:20.280 --> 01:03:23.360
the Triple Threat match at thirty one
erecepth Rollins Cash is in, So yeah,

1073
01:03:23.360 --> 01:03:25.840
you're playing as Brock. He's in
the game. You see him in

1074
01:03:25.880 --> 01:03:30.239
video packages with Eddie Guerrero and Curd
Angle and stuff. So Brock is less

1075
01:03:30.400 --> 01:03:36.519
nuked from the game. But I
guess you could also say he's not actually

1076
01:03:36.639 --> 01:03:39.159
named in the lawsuit and it's way
more about Vince and the executives. But

1077
01:03:39.239 --> 01:03:43.079
like, does that look good for
Brock. I don't think you will see

1078
01:03:43.119 --> 01:03:45.960
him back in debit you. So
it's just it's a very weird mode,

1079
01:03:46.400 --> 01:03:51.400
weirdly timed that they could not have
done anything about this is not like I

1080
01:03:51.440 --> 01:03:54.639
think they did what they could,
but it's still curio like. And the

1081
01:03:54.840 --> 01:04:00.840
reason we know that is because there's
been several times over the last decame where

1082
01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:04.199
the roster will change with like eight
months before the game comes out, and

1083
01:04:04.199 --> 01:04:08.360
then we get to the game and
those characters are still in the game because

1084
01:04:08.400 --> 01:04:10.360
they they it would just take it
be too much work to get rid of

1085
01:04:10.400 --> 01:04:14.400
them. Yeah, decide your characters. You can't change it up three months

1086
01:04:14.480 --> 01:04:16.199
before the game, Yes, exactly. And that's that's the situation they were

1087
01:04:16.239 --> 01:04:20.480
in here and more frequently known that
Vince McMahon was a piece of shit for

1088
01:04:20.599 --> 01:04:26.599
years, Right, everyone's known it
forever pretty much. It's just becoming extremely

1089
01:04:26.639 --> 01:04:29.320
evident how bad it was. And
but he'd be owned the company until a

1090
01:04:29.320 --> 01:04:30.960
couple months ago, so it's like, he's not going to do that to

1091
01:04:31.039 --> 01:04:35.000
himself. And then that changed.
Right, I've taken this issue up with

1092
01:04:35.039 --> 01:04:39.639
my boss and I've decided not to
fire myself. Mean exactly. I was

1093
01:04:39.679 --> 01:04:43.559
working there while Vince smcmahon was the
boss, and I heard people say several

1094
01:04:43.599 --> 01:04:46.960
times a phrase that was we have
to protect the chairman, like cool,

1095
01:04:47.280 --> 01:04:50.519
but you never like it was never
said in the context of like how horrendous

1096
01:04:50.519 --> 01:04:54.599
all this shit was. It was
all in like, oh, somebody said

1097
01:04:54.599 --> 01:04:56.920
something on a podcast that they said, oh, fuck vincacman. You know,

1098
01:04:56.960 --> 01:04:59.079
he used the wrestlers and chew him
up and spit him out, and

1099
01:04:59.079 --> 01:05:01.599
you would. Here we have to
protect the chairman outside of a very close

1100
01:05:01.599 --> 01:05:05.480
inner circle of his dudes. I
can't imagine many people knew how fucking bad

1101
01:05:05.559 --> 01:05:09.559
it was, because I was fucking
shocked when I read the lawsuit. Yeah,

1102
01:05:09.679 --> 01:05:12.480
so that's where that's at. I
mean, that's you know, that's

1103
01:05:12.480 --> 01:05:17.480
a small part of the game.
It's just oh, that's yeah, it's

1104
01:05:17.559 --> 01:05:21.039
this is a nightmare. You should
burn this this game. This sounds awful.

1105
01:05:21.079 --> 01:05:26.280
I think this is like one of
the better versions of this game in

1106
01:05:26.320 --> 01:05:29.400
a long time. Huh. It's
honestly, it's probably the best I've played

1107
01:05:29.400 --> 01:05:32.199
since at least uh w E fourteen. It's a good it's a good wrestling

1108
01:05:32.239 --> 01:05:35.559
game. It's not perfect. Yeah, sorry, I don't mean to go

1109
01:05:35.639 --> 01:05:39.920
to like super super serious stuff into
like, yeah, what are the controls

1110
01:05:40.000 --> 01:05:44.079
like? But that's that's where wrestling
is going to be for the next several

1111
01:05:44.159 --> 01:05:46.519
years. Every time this conversation comes
up, especially when you're doing the whole

1112
01:05:46.519 --> 01:05:48.280
thing, but hey, we're gonna
talk about wrestling. You don't like it,

1113
01:05:48.280 --> 01:05:49.559
it's like, well, okay,
we got to tell you all this

1114
01:05:49.639 --> 01:05:55.400
ship first. Morally, it's dog
shit. So the only thing you have

1115
01:05:55.480 --> 01:06:02.599
left is like whether or not you
like the button practice I had. I

1116
01:06:02.599 --> 01:06:06.840
had my friend John over and we
did a ECW hardcore rules match at the

1117
01:06:06.840 --> 01:06:12.760
Hammer Sign bar room between Rob Van
Dam and Muhammad Ali and Muhammad Ali put

1118
01:06:12.840 --> 01:06:15.920
RBD through a table and he a
flaming table and he kipt up right away,

1119
01:06:15.280 --> 01:06:18.760
and yeah, we fought backstage and
then I, uh Mahmad Ali there's

1120
01:06:18.760 --> 01:06:21.559
a sleeper hole and put him to
sleep and I won. So it's a

1121
01:06:21.599 --> 01:06:28.880
real fun time that sounds fantastic.
It's it's good. The showcase mode.

1122
01:06:29.119 --> 01:06:32.639
It is annoying to me because they
will it's this historical stuff, but it's

1123
01:06:32.679 --> 01:06:36.480
like you would assume they would want
you to like play the fun parts of

1124
01:06:36.519 --> 01:06:41.760
these classic matches, but then they
also entersperse all this real footage and so

1125
01:06:41.800 --> 01:06:44.800
then it's like a lot of times
the real footage since you played the big

1126
01:06:44.840 --> 01:06:48.159
move is like literally like two minutes
of like Hogan and the Ultimate Warrior,

1127
01:06:48.280 --> 01:06:51.760
like laying on the ground or like
a bear hug or something like that.

1128
01:06:53.719 --> 01:06:59.000
It's no. The pacing is is
really really weird in it, and it's

1129
01:06:59.039 --> 01:07:02.679
all these like you know you'll get
like fifteens, hyper specific historical things you

1130
01:07:02.679 --> 01:07:04.719
have to do, like here is
where you put them in. You know,

1131
01:07:04.840 --> 01:07:08.400
three different of these. You blocked
three things in a row, and

1132
01:07:08.400 --> 01:07:11.239
then you whiped them against the ropes
from the left side, and it just

1133
01:07:11.320 --> 01:07:13.599
really kills the pacing of the match. Like the game is at its best

1134
01:07:13.599 --> 01:07:15.239
when it's like you and a friend, or you just playing a mode,

1135
01:07:15.400 --> 01:07:18.800
or you're just doing a wrestling match. There's way too much start stop,

1136
01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:23.440
weird, shitty pacing stuff going on
in the Showcase mode. I appreciate the

1137
01:07:23.480 --> 01:07:27.239
history, but also I've seen all
those bajillion times. I could see how

1138
01:07:27.280 --> 01:07:29.519
would be a little more fun if
you're like, oh, I never saw

1139
01:07:29.639 --> 01:07:32.199
Matchaman versus Randy Tavage and you get
to play it but then see some footage,

1140
01:07:32.239 --> 01:07:34.000
but like, I don't know,
to me, it just feels like

1141
01:07:34.039 --> 01:07:40.159
weirdly paced wrestling matches. The gameplay
itself, I think is the best it

1142
01:07:40.199 --> 01:07:43.199
has been in a long time in
terms of like all these different systems that

1143
01:07:43.800 --> 01:07:45.519
we're always just kind of confusing before. There's just too many bars on the

1144
01:07:45.519 --> 01:07:47.800
screen, There's too many what is
this doing? What is this boosting?

1145
01:07:47.840 --> 01:07:51.440
What is this? Why can't I
do this now, it feels a little

1146
01:07:51.440 --> 01:07:56.039
whittled down. Now two things you
can understand a little easier, just between

1147
01:07:56.039 --> 01:08:00.480
the finishers and the signatures and your
stamina, like you know, it's the

1148
01:08:00.480 --> 01:08:01.840
ballpoints on the back of the box. Now you can do super finishers if

1149
01:08:01.880 --> 01:08:04.960
you have stuck up three finishers,
you can do Randy Orton's punt kick,

1150
01:08:05.079 --> 01:08:08.679
or you can do you know,
Undertaker's Hell's Gate thing or whatever. So

1151
01:08:08.920 --> 01:08:12.280
it doesn't come up that often naturally, but that's one of the bullet points.

1152
01:08:13.480 --> 01:08:16.119
Ambulance matches, casket matches, they're
fine. They're normal, like hardcore

1153
01:08:16.159 --> 01:08:18.840
matches where you go to a specific
spot and then do a little mini game

1154
01:08:18.880 --> 01:08:21.800
to try to throw someone into a
thing, right, Yeah, yeah,

1155
01:08:21.800 --> 01:08:25.880
I mean that's the kind of thing
that these games are where it's like they

1156
01:08:26.239 --> 01:08:30.039
have to make a big deal out
of things that are relatively minor because they

1157
01:08:30.039 --> 01:08:31.680
have to be the same thing every
year. It is the reality. So

1158
01:08:31.800 --> 01:08:34.119
yeah, and people as hard as
people go in the creation stuff, they

1159
01:08:34.119 --> 01:08:36.960
want to be able to recreate everything. They want every match type that's ever

1160
01:08:38.000 --> 01:08:42.800
been in any wrestling event ever has
to be in the game. So yeah,

1161
01:08:43.000 --> 01:08:45.399
they're very very particular about that stuff
and they've got it, So I

1162
01:08:45.479 --> 01:08:48.640
think I still have issues with the
core gameplay, as improved as it is

1163
01:08:48.680 --> 01:08:51.760
now, I do feel like a
lot of times I'm pressing a button and

1164
01:08:51.760 --> 01:08:55.720
then waiting for an animation to finish, like sometimes kind of a long one.

1165
01:08:55.920 --> 01:08:58.159
It kind of brings me back to
like a thing that annoys me about

1166
01:08:58.199 --> 01:09:00.199
even like really great fighting games now
like teen an eight or three pi er

1167
01:09:00.279 --> 01:09:03.479
six, where I feel like,
in the last five ten years, the

1168
01:09:03.520 --> 01:09:06.239
super move type thing where it's like, all right, this looks cool the

1169
01:09:06.279 --> 01:09:09.319
first two or three times you see
it, and now it's just like,

1170
01:09:09.520 --> 01:09:13.079
h just watching this, you know, like it's a smaller scale version of

1171
01:09:13.119 --> 01:09:15.520
that where it's like, Okay,
I did this biancabell air move where now

1172
01:09:15.560 --> 01:09:17.880
I got to watch her knock the
person back and then she does the flip

1173
01:09:17.920 --> 01:09:20.359
and she does but like at the
same time, fans want her to have

1174
01:09:20.439 --> 01:09:23.479
that move, so like, how
else you going to do that other than

1175
01:09:23.479 --> 01:09:25.359
a can And then they want it
to look right and they don't want it

1176
01:09:25.399 --> 01:09:27.960
to be like they don't want that
to be a skill check right. There

1177
01:09:28.119 --> 01:09:31.079
is a world where I think of
like ten eighty snowboarding where it's like very

1178
01:09:31.079 --> 01:09:33.960
difficult to do a ten eighty.
And then people are like, yeah,

1179
01:09:33.960 --> 01:09:36.560
but I like in SSX, where
I could do like a twelve sixty,

1180
01:09:36.760 --> 01:09:40.479
like in my sleep, and that's
the game I actually like, and most

1181
01:09:40.520 --> 01:09:43.600
people do prefer that, So I
think when they come to this game,

1182
01:09:43.720 --> 01:09:45.479
they don't want to be like,
Okay, I have all control over every

1183
01:09:45.600 --> 01:09:49.359
motion here so that I can screw
up doing but Bianca bell Air is awesome.

1184
01:09:49.399 --> 01:09:51.560
Move No, I want to hit
a button and it happens, and

1185
01:09:51.600 --> 01:09:54.960
it's like, yep, I get
that, but that is a little bit

1186
01:09:55.039 --> 01:09:58.359
less interesting to me. Yeah,
yeah, And they're still trying to ride

1187
01:09:58.359 --> 01:10:00.239
that line between like is this a
simular or do we want people to be

1188
01:10:00.239 --> 01:10:02.439
able to kind of pick up and
play at arcade style? And I still

1189
01:10:02.479 --> 01:10:05.079
don't think we're really at a like
pick up and play level with this.

1190
01:10:05.119 --> 01:10:08.319
I think you really got to spend
the time to go through the tutorial.

1191
01:10:08.720 --> 01:10:12.359
And they're not in a world where
it's like did this game for as frequently

1192
01:10:12.359 --> 01:10:13.920
as they put it out? And
what it feels like, you know,

1193
01:10:13.920 --> 01:10:16.840
it's these annual sports titles like how
much can that really cost? They still

1194
01:10:16.840 --> 01:10:23.279
don't have the money or opportunity to
go make a separate arcade game to stand

1195
01:10:23.319 --> 01:10:26.399
alongside this, and that stinks.
It sticks can't have both two key cattle

1196
01:10:26.439 --> 01:10:29.199
grounds, and it was not good. They tried to write All Stars and

1197
01:10:29.239 --> 01:10:31.640
it didn't sell. So, like
somebody there has listened at certain points,

1198
01:10:31.640 --> 01:10:35.199
they just haven't gotten the right people
on the game basically. Yeah, and

1199
01:10:35.239 --> 01:10:39.720
I still feel like a lot of
times the game boils down to watching your

1200
01:10:39.800 --> 01:10:42.640
character's head to see a triangle pop
up ahead of it. On top of

1201
01:10:42.680 --> 01:10:45.199
it, it's a No Winter reverse
and I don't really know how you get

1202
01:10:45.199 --> 01:10:47.760
around that. I just think wrestling
is kind of a tough thing to translate

1203
01:10:47.800 --> 01:10:51.399
to video games, and I think
the time it worked best is universally pretty

1204
01:10:51.439 --> 01:10:56.279
much the sixty four is what people
say, and I agree with It was

1205
01:10:56.319 --> 01:11:00.319
simpler, it was arcadier. I
think the more you go into simulation more

1206
01:11:00.439 --> 01:11:04.000
it's just not it's it doesn't translate
that well. I mean, that's why

1207
01:11:04.000 --> 01:11:09.039
these games work best as creative sandboxes
where people are making their own stuff and

1208
01:11:09.359 --> 01:11:12.119
telling their own stories, and it's
like they have all these tools to do

1209
01:11:12.159 --> 01:11:15.000
that. That's where this game actually
shines. Yep. And yeah, I

1210
01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:16.000
don't mean to be too negative on
it, because I really do think the

1211
01:11:16.000 --> 01:11:18.239
actual gameplay is the best it's been
in a long time. But I still

1212
01:11:18.279 --> 01:11:21.680
just have my normal like, hmm, I feel like I should like this

1213
01:11:21.680 --> 01:11:25.720
more. It's like my two favorite
things. I feel like, you put

1214
01:11:25.760 --> 01:11:28.199
them together, I should like it
more than I like them. But like,

1215
01:11:28.239 --> 01:11:30.399
you know, the Metacritic on this
is like a low eighties, and

1216
01:11:30.399 --> 01:11:31.479
I feel like, yeah, that's
that's about right, and I do think

1217
01:11:31.520 --> 01:11:35.319
that's that's actually that's surprisingly high.
Well, I did not think it was

1218
01:11:35.359 --> 01:11:39.199
that high. It's pretty good,
and I heard I was streaming it once

1219
01:11:39.239 --> 01:11:42.800
and somebody described it really well as
like it's a great toy. It's not

1220
01:11:42.960 --> 01:11:45.119
a great video game. It's like, you know, if you want to

1221
01:11:45.159 --> 01:11:48.439
download six different versions of Shadow the
Hedgehog and make them fight in the ladder

1222
01:11:48.439 --> 01:11:53.520
match, you know that's funny.
But yeah, as an actual like fighting

1223
01:11:53.560 --> 01:11:57.800
game or sports game or however you
want to categorize it, it still of

1224
01:11:57.800 --> 01:12:01.439
them feel quite right. But it
feels pretty fun honestly. So yeah,

1225
01:12:01.640 --> 01:12:09.439
I'd say overall positive. Got my
usual misgivings though, so that you know,

1226
01:12:09.680 --> 01:12:15.920
sex trafficking is a bit of a
downer, But yeah, we didn't

1227
01:12:15.920 --> 01:12:19.880
even tell Mary that he shipped on
her. I was wondering if we were

1228
01:12:19.880 --> 01:12:23.640
going to mention that, yeah,
that's in a lawsuit. He pooped.

1229
01:12:23.680 --> 01:12:26.920
Definite thought about saying it, and
then I didn't. He pooped on her

1230
01:12:26.920 --> 01:12:31.159
and then made her keep servicing his
friend and honestly, not even the weirdest

1231
01:12:31.199 --> 01:12:34.760
thing, not even the weirdest thing. Yeah, you shouldn't even be This

1232
01:12:34.840 --> 01:12:40.479
shouldn't even be allowed on the shelves. Like as punishment, all of these

1233
01:12:40.520 --> 01:12:44.600
men should have to eat liquid dog
shit and not have their video game come

1234
01:12:44.640 --> 01:12:49.279
out. You're not wrong, ripped
from their stupid fingers. We're moving on,

1235
01:12:54.079 --> 01:13:00.479
involved with terrible people money. I
wish nothing but ill of them.

1236
01:13:01.279 --> 01:13:09.039
And that's why I'm glad that Kasaga
Cure You exists us, because he's like

1237
01:13:09.079 --> 01:13:12.239
the best person in the world.
Do you know about in the hardy at

1238
01:13:12.279 --> 01:13:16.079
this? I think I heard vaguely
that he doesn't like Cosaga, which is

1239
01:13:16.479 --> 01:13:19.880
the red flag. I'm sorry,
Mike Mahardy, this is the Yeah,

1240
01:13:19.880 --> 01:13:28.000
this is the best you replacing Maharty. The best possible outcome here is on

1241
01:13:28.319 --> 01:13:33.960
Atchiban. Yeah. Yes, it's
an insane take because bon rules. I

1242
01:13:34.119 --> 01:13:39.199
cried at the end because he just
was like he just he's like it literally

1243
01:13:39.359 --> 01:13:43.359
is like Jesus, he takes it
all on. He carries the world on

1244
01:13:43.399 --> 01:13:46.279
his shoulder, and he he turns
the other cheek and when he turns back

1245
01:13:46.319 --> 01:13:50.199
around, he's still smiling at you, even though you just betrayed him,

1246
01:13:50.239 --> 01:13:55.760
even though you just did everything terrible
to him and you left him to fucking

1247
01:13:55.840 --> 01:14:00.479
die in a taxi and he and
it's like there's characters that do worse things

1248
01:14:00.520 --> 01:14:02.680
to him later, and he's not
friends with him throughout the whole thing.

1249
01:14:02.720 --> 01:14:04.840
And at the end of the game, he's like, no, of course

1250
01:14:04.920 --> 01:14:06.920
we're friends, So what are you
talking about. And the guy's like,

1251
01:14:08.199 --> 01:14:11.439
don't say that, you're making me
feel terrible, and it's just like,

1252
01:14:11.479 --> 01:14:15.239
no, that's who Kaska is and
it rules. It is so awesome to

1253
01:14:15.239 --> 01:14:18.840
play a game with a character that
is that nice, and especially like in

1254
01:14:18.880 --> 01:14:21.520
a world that's so cold so much
of the time, to feel like this

1255
01:14:21.680 --> 01:14:25.720
like cozy little home with this character. And they nail it. They go

1256
01:14:25.760 --> 01:14:29.319
through that story, and you know, I think it dragged a little bit

1257
01:14:29.319 --> 01:14:32.680
at the end. I was frustrated
the last boss fight when I was under

1258
01:14:32.760 --> 01:14:34.840
leveled and there was no easy way
to go out in the world and level

1259
01:14:34.880 --> 01:14:38.520
up again. But if you,
you know, do all the things they

1260
01:14:38.560 --> 01:14:43.520
give to you to a grind,
if you go do like the dungeons,

1261
01:14:43.520 --> 01:14:45.640
so the dungeon crawler thing, and
you do every level on there, you'll

1262
01:14:45.680 --> 01:14:47.880
be fine. That is a little
bit of a grind though, and it

1263
01:14:47.920 --> 01:14:51.119
does take a few hours, and
so it's like addings this padding. But

1264
01:14:51.199 --> 01:14:55.199
outside of that frustration, once I
got past that final boss and got to

1265
01:14:55.239 --> 01:14:58.359
the end of these stories with these
characters. First it's like I don't have

1266
01:14:58.600 --> 01:15:00.560
a lot of history with Kiriu.
I thought that was really well done.

1267
01:15:00.840 --> 01:15:06.319
And then just having ichibond be Ichiban
and charm everybody and just be this beloved

1268
01:15:06.399 --> 01:15:10.800
dumbass. I cannot feel more of
a connection with a character than I feel

1269
01:15:10.840 --> 01:15:13.560
with him. He is incredible.
Yeah, and you mentioned the Curu stuff

1270
01:15:13.600 --> 01:15:15.680
too, like I think grub you
and I both have respected Yeah, because

1271
01:15:15.680 --> 01:15:19.439
I'm from Afar and dabs from here
and there. I think the way,

1272
01:15:19.439 --> 01:15:24.720
like I know enough of that character
and his general arc and everything to the

1273
01:15:24.840 --> 01:15:28.560
way they present it in this game. When you're doing the cure U stuff

1274
01:15:28.560 --> 01:15:30.800
in Japan, where you're kind of
there's a big focus on like reminiscing,

1275
01:15:30.880 --> 01:15:32.560
like, oh, I remember this
place, that's where I met with this

1276
01:15:32.560 --> 01:15:34.520
guy and I had this meal and
we talked about this thing, or that's

1277
01:15:34.520 --> 01:15:38.720
where I got in a fight with
this guy. Like it's not it doesn't

1278
01:15:38.800 --> 01:15:41.439
lean into like you have to Like
I guess the opposite would be like a

1279
01:15:41.439 --> 01:15:44.000
Medal Year Solid four, where it's
like, imagine going into that and not

1280
01:15:44.119 --> 01:15:47.239
knowing a bunch of shit about Metal
Year and right, what are they trying?

1281
01:15:47.279 --> 01:15:50.479
What is fucking happening? I feel
like you don't need that level of

1282
01:15:50.520 --> 01:15:55.159
knowledge for this game to appreciate what
they're doing with Crry. You right,

1283
01:15:55.159 --> 01:15:57.800
you're gonna get a lot. You'll
get enough through osmosis if you will hang

1284
01:15:57.800 --> 01:16:00.640
out with any other people who do
talk about these games. But even if

1285
01:16:00.680 --> 01:16:02.760
you don't, it's like they are
just giving you these little vignettes that are

1286
01:16:02.800 --> 01:16:06.479
memories, and they tell you the
story of what happened there, so you

1287
01:16:06.479 --> 01:16:10.000
get the beginning in the middle of
the end very quickly and it's a nice

1288
01:16:10.039 --> 01:16:12.840
little moment. And a lot of
that stuff's optional too, but I found

1289
01:16:12.880 --> 01:16:15.720
myself doing a ton of it because
it's like, no This is nice.

1290
01:16:15.720 --> 01:16:17.760
This is well done, and I
have a funness for Cure You, even

1291
01:16:17.800 --> 01:16:20.800
though I have not played a lot
of those games and only dabbled. So

1292
01:16:20.880 --> 01:16:27.279
yeah, they just really handle that
stuff very well. And I'm like really

1293
01:16:27.319 --> 01:16:30.119
glad that this is now a franchise
that I am fully on board with.

1294
01:16:30.359 --> 01:16:32.279
Not so much that I'm like I'm
feeling an obligation to go back and play

1295
01:16:32.279 --> 01:16:35.720
all the previous games or something like
that, but I might give Yakuza zero

1296
01:16:35.760 --> 01:16:38.479
another chance. That's the one I
played the most. I'm like, I

1297
01:16:38.560 --> 01:16:41.199
should go back and beat that game. That would be fun, and I'm

1298
01:16:41.279 --> 01:16:44.359
very happy that that's the case.
Nice. Yes, I definitely want to

1299
01:16:44.399 --> 01:16:45.399
go back to that. I was
about forty hours. I think it was

1300
01:16:45.399 --> 01:16:48.960
like halfway through when I bounced off
for Final Fantasy. Yes, very based

1301
01:16:49.000 --> 01:16:51.479
on the converse, because you were
like doing some of the early stuff in

1302
01:16:51.560 --> 01:16:55.520
Japan with Cure You. Right,
Yeah, you're a little bit more than

1303
01:16:55.560 --> 01:16:59.680
halfway through. Okay, speaking of
that, real quick, I bounced off

1304
01:16:59.680 --> 01:17:02.640
for Final Fantasy. Uh, Mary, have you played it at this point?

1305
01:17:02.680 --> 01:17:09.000
Final Fantasy? No, I'm not
a Final Fantasy person. Okay,

1306
01:17:09.039 --> 01:17:13.640
so you you probably won't care about
spoilers I have. I have more history

1307
01:17:13.640 --> 01:17:17.119
than I do for WWE, but
I understand, I understand the concept.

1308
01:17:17.159 --> 01:17:20.359
Wow, also a huge piece of
shit Cloud the Cloud lawsuits bad. Yeah.

1309
01:17:20.520 --> 01:17:24.439
Yeah, I don't want to know
about what he does with his poop,

1310
01:17:24.560 --> 01:17:30.079
but can tell me about we learned
a lot of stuff against our well

1311
01:17:30.600 --> 01:17:35.199
shared it with the rest of the
class. So okay, grub you do

1312
01:17:35.239 --> 01:17:39.800
you care about Final Fantasy spoilers?
Not even a little bit ahead? And

1313
01:17:39.840 --> 01:17:42.520
Mary good? Okay, And so
listeners, I do want to spoil a

1314
01:17:42.560 --> 01:17:45.439
thing about Final Fantasy or so if
you're worried about story spoilers for Rebirth,

1315
01:17:45.680 --> 01:17:47.399
pass forward a little bit here,
but not too long. Uh the show

1316
01:17:47.479 --> 01:17:53.159
this is seven parts bright. Yes, yeah, this is important because this

1317
01:17:53.239 --> 01:17:56.399
did happen. So if people are
worried about spoilers, that means that maybe

1318
01:17:56.399 --> 01:18:00.359
something's different about seven right. So
well, okay, so well, So

1319
01:18:00.399 --> 01:18:08.600
that's where it's confusing. I everyone
knows about Aris dying in the last one.

1320
01:18:08.800 --> 01:18:11.359
I never even got to that point
in the last one. I you

1321
01:18:11.359 --> 01:18:13.880
know, I talked last week a
lot, or the last episode a lot

1322
01:18:13.880 --> 01:18:15.520
about how like I'm loving this game
a ton despite not really being a big

1323
01:18:15.560 --> 01:18:18.640
Final Fantasy guy not playing a lot
of seven that holds true love. I

1324
01:18:18.640 --> 01:18:21.560
think this is a great video game, but I kind of had the exact

1325
01:18:21.560 --> 01:18:26.840
same thing happen that happened with remake
for me, where I played a fucking

1326
01:18:26.960 --> 01:18:30.359
lot of it the large majority of
the game, and I, you know,

1327
01:18:30.399 --> 01:18:32.880
the game came out, I started
hearing kind of reactions of it and

1328
01:18:32.920 --> 01:18:36.880
everything, and people talking about like, oh, yeah, the last while

1329
01:18:38.079 --> 01:18:41.560
of this game, like hours and
hours, goes on and on and on

1330
01:18:41.600 --> 01:18:45.960
with story stuff that makes no fucking
sense even to like hardcore Final Fantasy people,

1331
01:18:46.119 --> 01:18:48.239
right, And that's the point I've
heard most. Yeah, And so

1332
01:18:48.319 --> 01:18:50.600
I was like, you know what, I got forty five hours of a

1333
01:18:50.640 --> 01:18:54.560
lot of enjoyment out of this game. I really really liked my time with

1334
01:18:54.640 --> 01:18:58.319
it. And if you know,
I've heard it can be a seventy eighty

1335
01:18:58.319 --> 01:18:59.960
hour game. And it's like,
man, do I want to spend another

1336
01:19:00.119 --> 01:19:03.199
twenty five thirty thirty five hours with
this game where a lot of it is

1337
01:19:03.199 --> 01:19:05.800
gonna be nonsense story stuff that I
don't really know anything about it, or

1338
01:19:05.800 --> 01:19:09.039
do I want to move on to
something else? So I decided, all

1339
01:19:09.159 --> 01:19:11.359
right, I had my time.
I have positive thoughts on this game.

1340
01:19:11.359 --> 01:19:15.159
I think it's a great game,
but I'm gonna throw in the towel when

1341
01:19:15.119 --> 01:19:17.520
we move on to something else.
And so I just googled. I was,

1342
01:19:17.520 --> 01:19:19.399
like, the one thing I was
curious about was I was, you

1343
01:19:19.439 --> 01:19:24.920
know, famously aris Airis back then
died and uh sep roth Kilder, And

1344
01:19:24.960 --> 01:19:29.439
so I just googled does Erith die? Final Fantasy seven Rebirth and like the

1345
01:19:29.520 --> 01:19:33.600
shortest explanation I could find was like
a fifteen minute video that's like, Okay,

1346
01:19:34.079 --> 01:19:36.680
that seems like a simple question,
but it's actually very confusing, and

1347
01:19:38.600 --> 01:19:42.520
yeah, I'm here right choice,
it's gonna be a bunch of anime shit

1348
01:19:42.600 --> 01:19:45.880
that I would not have understood.
I would have hated it. It would

1349
01:19:45.880 --> 01:19:47.920
have soured me on this game.
I fucking backed away from the table while

1350
01:19:47.920 --> 01:19:49.920
I was having a good time,
and I have good memories of it,

1351
01:19:50.079 --> 01:19:53.720
and I saw some videos of it, and the fact that it's like not

1352
01:19:53.880 --> 01:19:58.159
even like it said, well,
yes, she does die, but also

1353
01:19:58.359 --> 01:20:00.319
she does exist in Cloud's head,
and inside Cloud's head is one of the

1354
01:20:00.319 --> 01:20:04.319
worlds where you see Zach is still
alive. And so in that timeline where

1355
01:20:04.359 --> 01:20:10.199
the white materia faded, so Ereth
is alive there, but and the timeline

1356
01:20:10.199 --> 01:20:14.720
that you're playing, Erith is dead, so she is that doesn't we don't

1357
01:20:14.760 --> 01:20:16.560
know if she'll be dead. And
the next one it's like, oh my

1358
01:20:16.600 --> 01:20:20.760
god. If that is not a
yes or no question, then something is

1359
01:20:20.760 --> 01:20:24.359
getting more confusing than it needs to
be. I mean, the thing that

1360
01:20:24.399 --> 01:20:28.600
happened is I mean, I know
this is an answer that people don't like,

1361
01:20:28.680 --> 01:20:32.039
but it's Namurah. It's the Kingdom
Hearts guy who was also a Final

1362
01:20:32.079 --> 01:20:34.760
Fantasy seven guy, so he's like
always been involved in this stuff. But

1363
01:20:35.199 --> 01:20:41.439
that just sounds like some Kingdom Hearts
convoluted bullshit from the bottom of the ocean.

1364
01:20:41.880 --> 01:20:45.319
It is like they just unearthed it. It's an ancient evil and they

1365
01:20:45.359 --> 01:20:47.720
just put it in their new Final
Fantasy game. I don't know, man,

1366
01:20:48.119 --> 01:20:51.560
Jim Cloud will wake up and it
was a dream. I don't sounds

1367
01:20:51.560 --> 01:20:55.000
like that's what you're playing. Basically, she'd google it and be like is

1368
01:20:55.039 --> 01:20:57.199
it a dream? And it would
be a video essay of like, well,

1369
01:20:57.279 --> 01:21:00.159
let's talk about the different ways we
can answer that question, and there'd

1370
01:21:00.159 --> 01:21:04.680
be no satisfying answer, and I
don't know, No more. I don't

1371
01:21:04.680 --> 01:21:08.560
know Kingdom Heart stories or anything.
I just know anytime somebody describes them,

1372
01:21:08.600 --> 01:21:11.840
it sounds nonsensical. But not like
a fun metal year way. No,

1373
01:21:12.079 --> 01:21:14.760
it's like an eight year old on
a sugar rush telling you like the latest

1374
01:21:14.800 --> 01:21:17.279
movie they saw in the you know, the Puppy Pals movie series. It's

1375
01:21:17.319 --> 01:21:19.960
like, okay, what, Yeah, you're talking too fast. I don't

1376
01:21:20.039 --> 01:21:25.000
understand. Yeah. So so I
feel I feel very very happy with my

1377
01:21:25.039 --> 01:21:28.840
decision because I had my good time. I didn't because I could picture myself

1378
01:21:28.880 --> 01:21:32.359
sitting there if I had gone for
another thirty plus hours and then I'm just

1379
01:21:32.399 --> 01:21:35.439
sitting through this shit and I'm like, oh my god, fucking let me

1380
01:21:35.439 --> 01:21:38.720
play the game. None of this
makes sense. I hate this. I

1381
01:21:38.720 --> 01:21:40.880
hate this, but I didn't have
that experience. I just had the fun

1382
01:21:40.920 --> 01:21:43.680
experience and I got out. Mike
says he likes some of the bosses at

1383
01:21:43.680 --> 01:21:45.319
the end, and he would be
clear he did. He had no real

1384
01:21:45.359 --> 01:21:49.520
complaints about about the convoluted ending,
but he had been hearned. I guess

1385
01:21:49.600 --> 01:21:53.960
he is a Kingdom Hearts guy.
Yeah. Yeah, I think you would

1386
01:21:53.960 --> 01:21:57.159
have been very frustrated by the ending, and you might have liked some of

1387
01:21:57.199 --> 01:21:59.520
those bosses, and that would have
been the best case scenario. I believe

1388
01:21:59.520 --> 01:22:01.039
that the play was great. I
love the game, playing the game,

1389
01:22:01.079 --> 01:22:03.960
and the boss fights for fun.
Yeah that's so. Then that's my other

1390
01:22:04.039 --> 01:22:08.079
question. So the main complaint I
hear is the ending is you know,

1391
01:22:08.119 --> 01:22:12.279
WA could do or whatever. The
other complaint is some people are frustrated by

1392
01:22:12.760 --> 01:22:16.319
what they call padding and side quests
that you're forced to do. I've not

1393
01:22:16.399 --> 01:22:18.479
gotten to a lot of that.
I still have only done the four hours

1394
01:22:18.520 --> 01:22:23.920
I played on stream on UPF last
week, and I enjoyed what I played

1395
01:22:23.920 --> 01:22:27.239
a bit, But people keep like
people are having this conversation back and forth.

1396
01:22:27.279 --> 01:22:30.720
We talked to Russ on BombCast and
he's like, I was not enjoying

1397
01:22:30.720 --> 01:22:32.039
most of these things I was forced
to do by the game. And then

1398
01:22:32.039 --> 01:22:34.279
I hear you, You're like,
no, I love it. Enjoyed the

1399
01:22:34.720 --> 01:22:38.560
Yeah, Pirate Shooting Gallery. I'll
do every level of that and I'll a

1400
01:22:38.640 --> 01:22:42.039
sit at the best level. Like
all the minigame shit, I returned every

1401
01:22:42.119 --> 01:22:45.800
scooter, I did every fucking thing
like. I really like those mini games

1402
01:22:45.840 --> 01:22:47.119
were a lot of fun. I
did all the Chadley shit. I was

1403
01:22:47.159 --> 01:22:49.720
one hundred percent of areas before I
moved on to the next open area.

1404
01:22:50.039 --> 01:22:54.600
I thought that stuff was a lot
of fun. Okay, I'm very curious

1405
01:22:54.600 --> 01:22:58.279
to see how'm gonna fall on this. Yeah, so done with that?

1406
01:22:59.319 --> 01:23:01.479
Cool? Mm hm, let's got
to free up for some other stuff that

1407
01:23:01.520 --> 01:23:05.319
you know, Like, are you
gonna go back to like a dragon that's

1408
01:23:05.359 --> 01:23:08.439
I do? I do intend to
do that, yes, okay, all

1409
01:23:08.520 --> 01:23:10.560
right, so maybe you could do
that before we get to like some other

1410
01:23:10.560 --> 01:23:13.319
stuff. I think Dragon's Dog but
two is gonna pop off and everyone's gonna

1411
01:23:13.319 --> 01:23:15.439
be playing that. I'm gonna play
it for sure. Yeah, me too,

1412
01:23:15.560 --> 01:23:20.159
absolutely. M M Mary, what
else are you playing? I regret

1413
01:23:20.199 --> 01:23:25.560
to inform you all that since our
last podcast, I still have only played

1414
01:23:25.720 --> 01:23:31.119
Billatro and hell Divers Hell. Yeah. Look, that's why I quit Vile

1415
01:23:31.199 --> 01:23:33.560
Pantacies because it's like, man,
I could be playing this. Yeah,

1416
01:23:34.479 --> 01:23:39.800
I'm fucking addicted. Hell Divers is
so much fun. When I'm like,

1417
01:23:40.000 --> 01:23:43.199
I'm sitting there and I actually do
have like a good backlog of games where

1418
01:23:43.239 --> 01:23:45.520
I'm like, oh, I really
should play this. There was some good

1419
01:23:45.600 --> 01:23:48.359
like indie games I was really interested
in, like checking out in this last

1420
01:23:48.359 --> 01:23:55.279
week But every time I'm at my
computer, someone will ping me and be

1421
01:23:55.359 --> 01:23:59.199
like, Oh, the boys are
playing Hell Divers. That's where that That's

1422
01:23:59.239 --> 01:24:00.239
where I want to be. I
don't want to be anywhere else. I

1423
01:24:00.279 --> 01:24:04.720
want to kill fucking bugs. And
it's just so repetitive. It's so good.

1424
01:24:04.960 --> 01:24:10.920
Every time I play it, it's
amazing. I love the repetitive nature

1425
01:24:10.960 --> 01:24:15.000
of this game. You go down, you kill bugs, you solve whatever

1426
01:24:15.039 --> 01:24:16.760
it is the fuck they want you
to do, shoot eggs whatever, Who

1427
01:24:16.800 --> 01:24:23.039
carest whistles. So much fun with
my buds playing this game. I like,

1428
01:24:23.079 --> 01:24:27.199
don't want to play anything. Hell
Divers is fucking genius. They've done

1429
01:24:27.239 --> 01:24:30.199
everything that I've ever asked of this
sequel, and I just think it's brilliant

1430
01:24:30.199 --> 01:24:34.000
and it just it brings me so
much joy. Marry your performance when me,

1431
01:24:34.079 --> 01:24:40.399
you and Boniello played a couple of
weekends ago was pretty incredible. What

1432
01:24:40.439 --> 01:24:45.119
happened my dad? I forgot about
this. We were playing in the middle

1433
01:24:45.159 --> 01:24:48.079
of it. I don't remember.
We're in the middle of a game,

1434
01:24:48.399 --> 01:24:51.239
and I was like, ah,
shit, you guys, my dad's calling.

1435
01:24:51.279 --> 01:24:55.319
And my dad would never call because
it's it was like seven pm my

1436
01:24:55.399 --> 01:24:57.960
time, which means it was like
ten pm your guys this time. Yeah,

1437
01:24:58.000 --> 01:25:00.479
And it was like it was like
late on a weekend. And it's

1438
01:25:00.520 --> 01:25:01.720
like we're also we played a bunch
and we're like, let's try like a

1439
01:25:01.720 --> 01:25:04.800
harder robot level, and so we
do like a hard robot level. And

1440
01:25:04.840 --> 01:25:08.079
then the way Mary said that,
it's like, oh god, yeah,

1441
01:25:08.079 --> 01:25:11.039
it sounds like I never calls my
dad shouldn't call me. I gotta take

1442
01:25:11.039 --> 01:25:13.359
it. But I'll still play,
but I gotta take it. And so

1443
01:25:14.359 --> 01:25:18.640
I take one year off the head
and I answer the call, and I

1444
01:25:18.760 --> 01:25:23.319
mute Mike obviously, and I start
talking to my dad. It's it's honestly

1445
01:25:23.359 --> 01:25:25.119
nothing. My dad was just like, I, you know, I just

1446
01:25:25.199 --> 01:25:27.399
wanted to hear your voice and talk
to you. So I start talking to

1447
01:25:27.439 --> 01:25:31.319
my dad. But then well then
it's like I don't There wasn't even one

1448
01:25:31.399 --> 01:25:34.119
thing. It's just like we had
to extract and we're all trying to get

1449
01:25:34.119 --> 01:25:40.199
back and we had like very very
few reinforcements, and just hell is raining

1450
01:25:40.199 --> 01:25:44.199
down upon us the entire landing area. We're screaming. Me and Bone Yellow

1451
01:25:44.239 --> 01:25:46.840
are on like just like screaming at
each other, freaking out. Bon yellows

1452
01:25:46.880 --> 01:25:50.960
into hysterics, and like we just
keep wondering, it's Mary. It's very

1453
01:25:51.000 --> 01:25:55.000
odd. Is she playing? And
we would see you moving around, like

1454
01:25:55.159 --> 01:25:57.399
we would turn to you and you're
just like blasting a bunch of buns.

1455
01:25:57.760 --> 01:26:02.960
Yeah, she's odd. She's what
We just kind of we're like both died

1456
01:26:03.039 --> 01:26:09.279
once at the same time sometime my
dad. I was like, yeah,

1457
01:26:09.359 --> 01:26:13.880
I agree, Dad, Like I
just don't understand why everybody even tries the

1458
01:26:14.000 --> 01:26:17.239
Rosea's pizza, not even more,
and I'm like trying to hit the box

1459
01:26:17.279 --> 01:26:23.560
to so that I can call back
my friends. Everyone's dying, I'm prone

1460
01:26:23.800 --> 01:26:30.000
shooting backwards. Like a casual conversation
with my father. It was so funny.

1461
01:26:30.239 --> 01:26:33.039
So we're me and Boniella are like
simultaneously like freaking out about like this

1462
01:26:33.159 --> 01:26:36.640
incredibly intense mission going on as we're
trying to extract and also like worrying about

1463
01:26:36.680 --> 01:26:40.000
like, God, okay, is
she is she okay? And like we

1464
01:26:40.000 --> 01:26:43.800
would literally turn and like she's throwing
down an orbital strike. And at no

1465
01:26:43.920 --> 01:26:46.199
point was she just like standing there
or idle. She wasn't dying. Me

1466
01:26:46.199 --> 01:26:50.119
and Boniella were constantly dying, and
they like, was there or strikes,

1467
01:26:50.119 --> 01:26:54.720
even like grazing you guys, was
like everything. She was reviving us.

1468
01:26:54.760 --> 01:26:57.439
She was not killing any of us. She was just like pro she was

1469
01:26:57.479 --> 01:27:01.239
completely on. She was incredible while
on this like meandering call with her dad

1470
01:27:01.279 --> 01:27:03.680
and we're like, yeah, she
must be fine. She's kicking ass.

1471
01:27:03.720 --> 01:27:06.359
This is great at rules. You
were the first one on the ship.

1472
01:27:06.520 --> 01:27:11.239
I then Boniello got on, and
I'm just like sprinting through all these explosions

1473
01:27:11.239 --> 01:27:13.880
I get. I was like the
most intense ending to a hell Diver's match

1474
01:27:13.880 --> 01:27:17.520
I've had while you're just having a
casual conversation with you. It's awesome.

1475
01:27:17.560 --> 01:27:20.520
Video games are cool. Yeah,
Boniello texted me the next day, He's

1476
01:27:20.520 --> 01:27:24.159
like, I'm just walking around New
Orleans right now, just thinking, like

1477
01:27:24.239 --> 01:27:29.640
laughing out loud, thinking about Mary
and that mat Helltiggers very talking to her

1478
01:27:29.720 --> 01:27:32.399
dad. It was a great moment
and I and it's so funny that like

1479
01:27:32.479 --> 01:27:38.359
I was able to do that and
have that incredible experience with you while I

1480
01:27:38.520 --> 01:27:41.319
was like also like, shoot,
I should talk to my father. It's

1481
01:27:41.319 --> 01:27:44.319
been like a week. Uh.
It's just like so funny that you can

1482
01:27:44.359 --> 01:27:48.560
have these incredible epic moments. How
many times have you ever played Helldivers.

1483
01:27:48.720 --> 01:27:51.159
You're like shooting at something in front
of you and it's taking all your focus,

1484
01:27:51.239 --> 01:27:56.279
and you turn around and there's vast
rugs behind you. Stuff up.

1485
01:27:56.319 --> 01:28:00.960
Shit, everybody's gonna fucking die.
It's it's amazing the way that they have

1486
01:28:00.199 --> 01:28:03.760
brought this together to have this incredible
health fire. As you're waiting for your

1487
01:28:03.760 --> 01:28:06.800
ship to come down and it says
it, you know, like all everything

1488
01:28:06.800 --> 01:28:12.279
that's just so perfectly tuned to to
make you feel good when it's just like

1489
01:28:12.640 --> 01:28:16.640
ship arriving in thirty seconds and you're
like, I don't have thirty seconds.

1490
01:28:17.319 --> 01:28:23.479
I living. Oh god, it's
genius. I was just playing again last

1491
01:28:23.600 --> 01:28:29.399
night, and every night it is
a absolute joy. When I get a

1492
01:28:29.479 --> 01:28:32.359
text or when I get like a
DM and someone's like we're all on it

1493
01:28:32.520 --> 01:28:38.760
in it's just I can't wait.
It's just it's like, I don't know.

1494
01:28:38.840 --> 01:28:42.359
It's like being in high school and
like having like a person you like

1495
01:28:42.479 --> 01:28:44.720
be like, hey, you want
to like call me on the phone or

1496
01:28:44.760 --> 01:28:46.920
something like that, or being invited
to a really cool party with your best

1497
01:28:46.960 --> 01:28:51.239
friends. I'm telling you this makes
you feel like a million dollars when you

1498
01:28:51.239 --> 01:28:55.039
guys were dying, and I was
like, I can revive you. I

1499
01:28:55.159 --> 01:28:58.600
fucking handle this. Im down left, left, left, right, I

1500
01:28:58.640 --> 01:29:02.359
can do this. It's just like
it makes me so happy, and I

1501
01:29:02.399 --> 01:29:09.399
don't think I've been happier playing a
game in a really long time. Like

1502
01:29:09.520 --> 01:29:12.520
obviously Hell Divers is good. I
could talk about it forever, but I

1503
01:29:12.520 --> 01:29:15.439
think what I'm saying is like this
isn't just like for me, like the

1504
01:29:15.439 --> 01:29:17.680
game of the year so far.
This is like the best game I've played

1505
01:29:17.720 --> 01:29:21.720
in several years. It's the way
you're describing it reminds me of how you

1506
01:29:21.800 --> 01:29:26.479
describe playing like a Rocket League with
coworkers back in the day. You know

1507
01:29:27.119 --> 01:29:30.479
that type of vibe, doesn't it, You know, where you like can't

1508
01:29:30.520 --> 01:29:32.760
wait until the until the buds get
on, you know. It's just like

1509
01:29:32.840 --> 01:29:36.800
hey, like I don't know we're
all gonna be available, but usually like

1510
01:29:38.119 --> 01:29:41.079
Peter can come on around like eight
pm, so like that's when I like,

1511
01:29:41.319 --> 01:29:43.720
I gotta eat dinner before then because
he's gonna he's gonna come on.

1512
01:29:43.840 --> 01:29:48.039
Like it's so good to like know
that this four the four person is like

1513
01:29:48.119 --> 01:29:51.640
really clutch as well. It's yeah, it's so nice to have a group

1514
01:29:51.680 --> 01:29:58.439
of four to to rally and to
go on these missions with, and everybody

1515
01:29:58.479 --> 01:30:02.399
succeeds. It's and absolute joy to
like get your friends together. And yes,

1516
01:30:02.560 --> 01:30:06.720
I have connections to Rocket League with
this game that I don't know if

1517
01:30:06.760 --> 01:30:13.079
I've felt this like we all have
to play tonight since Rocket League. You

1518
01:30:13.079 --> 01:30:15.520
know, like when one of your
friends can't come on because they have like

1519
01:30:15.560 --> 01:30:18.720
life and you're like, I'm gonna
bully this person. Get on. We're

1520
01:30:18.760 --> 01:30:23.680
all here. This game will do
that to you. It will make you

1521
01:30:23.760 --> 01:30:28.520
yell at your friends to get on. I've I feel like I'm in high

1522
01:30:28.560 --> 01:30:30.840
school, you guys. I feel
like I am a kid again. I

1523
01:30:30.840 --> 01:30:35.439
feel like I'm in college and I
am absolutely ignoring my finals because the bulls

1524
01:30:35.479 --> 01:30:40.720
are coming and we got it.
We gotta. We have to solve this.

1525
01:30:41.079 --> 01:30:46.399
It brings out all the feels of
your childhood gaming days. And it's

1526
01:30:46.439 --> 01:30:48.960
not a chore, you guys,
Like, this is not something that you

1527
01:30:49.000 --> 01:30:54.239
gotta finish before you go to bed. This is like one more game.

1528
01:30:54.920 --> 01:30:57.840
I am sick. I think it's
probably very obvious to you that I am

1529
01:30:57.920 --> 01:31:00.439
sick. I sound like a little
congested. I was up until two in

1530
01:31:00.439 --> 01:31:04.800
the morning. I couldn't fucking stop. I can't fucking stop, and you

1531
01:31:04.840 --> 01:31:08.159
need to say too, Yeah,
I need to get my sleep right now,

1532
01:31:08.199 --> 01:31:12.079
and I couldn't because this game's so
fucking fun. Are you finding I

1533
01:31:12.079 --> 01:31:14.319
haven't played in about a week.
It has it gotten better as far as

1534
01:31:14.319 --> 01:31:15.920
the you know, the issues that
we're plaguing it early. You can still

1535
01:31:15.920 --> 01:31:20.000
get kicked out. You definitely still
have problems. I would like to think

1536
01:31:20.039 --> 01:31:26.279
that it's less than it was,
but absolutely, yesterday we were having problems

1537
01:31:26.279 --> 01:31:30.800
for like the first thirty minutes and
then we were good for glorious hours.

1538
01:31:30.880 --> 01:31:33.439
And it's worth it to me,
Like, yes, it's it's it's a

1539
01:31:33.439 --> 01:31:36.319
pain, it's worth it. It's
worth every like problem that I've had with

1540
01:31:36.359 --> 01:31:41.039
it. Like my god, like
everybody get this game, Like go find

1541
01:31:41.079 --> 01:31:44.840
your best friends and go play.
Jesus gee, I cannot talk about this

1542
01:31:44.960 --> 01:31:47.920
game good enough. It's so funny
with like covering all these games we were

1543
01:31:47.960 --> 01:31:53.119
talking about like WWE and like Final
Fantasy, and we're like, well,

1544
01:31:53.159 --> 01:31:57.119
there's like actual crimes, like war
crimes, like you know, this game's

1545
01:31:57.199 --> 01:32:01.640
whole arts associations, but you know
you can probably finish it, you know,

1546
01:32:01.720 --> 01:32:04.239
in like forty hours. It's like, what the fuck are you doing?

1547
01:32:04.399 --> 01:32:08.560
Where are you not playing Hell Divers? Like this game is so much

1548
01:32:08.600 --> 01:32:12.359
better boy, nobody was. No, there's no monsters. As far as

1549
01:32:12.359 --> 01:32:15.479
I'm aware, that made it Mary. I feel like this is going to

1550
01:32:15.520 --> 01:32:18.159
come up a lot during our game
of year stuff. I think he's I'm

1551
01:32:18.199 --> 01:32:23.520
going tooth and nail and it's in
its fucking march. It's so early,

1552
01:32:23.640 --> 01:32:27.319
and I'm I could write a book
about how much I love this game.

1553
01:32:27.720 --> 01:32:30.560
I think the bar for best game
with buds is going to be pretty high.

1554
01:32:31.159 --> 01:32:34.880
I mean, it's just there's no
question. I don't know what else

1555
01:32:35.000 --> 01:32:40.520
to say about it. It makes
my heart light up when I know that

1556
01:32:40.560 --> 01:32:43.760
it's there's no more work time,
and it's like, someone better text me

1557
01:32:44.239 --> 01:32:46.840
and tell me that they're they're playing. I loved it when you when you

1558
01:32:46.880 --> 01:32:50.199
messaged me, you were like,
hey, I got like and you know

1559
01:32:50.239 --> 01:32:55.199
what I got time? I got
time for Hell Divers. I could have

1560
01:32:55.279 --> 01:32:58.880
been reading. I could have been
like, you know, thinking about what

1561
01:32:58.960 --> 01:33:00.960
I was gonna wear tomorrow. There's
all sorts of ship I could have done.

1562
01:33:01.039 --> 01:33:02.920
The second you text me and say, hey, you want to get

1563
01:33:02.920 --> 01:33:05.880
into Hell Divers. I'm like a
fuck yes, like, let's go.

1564
01:33:06.279 --> 01:33:11.239
It's such a joy. Okay,
you describing that makes me want to play

1565
01:33:11.239 --> 01:33:15.319
this really bad again, and I
will be texting you. You can do

1566
01:33:15.359 --> 01:33:18.119
what we do the podcast. I
can. I can do it. I

1567
01:33:18.199 --> 01:33:21.000
just said like we were that the
meeting earlier, and chance like, well,

1568
01:33:21.000 --> 01:33:24.920
we can't do w W because you
know, things happen tomorrow, so

1569
01:33:25.119 --> 01:33:27.560
which we stream on. Like now
it's decided. I'm doing Hell Divers to

1570
01:33:27.640 --> 01:33:31.119
tomorrow. Dry workshow it's so perfect. It brings people joy, brings me

1571
01:33:31.319 --> 01:33:39.680
joy, Invite me. I'm still
invite you, and I'm gonna see what

1572
01:33:39.760 --> 01:33:43.640
happens. I'm gonna see how how
bad the addiction really is. Quit your

1573
01:33:43.720 --> 01:33:48.600
job for Hell Divers, yeah,
you know, because like, join the

1574
01:33:48.640 --> 01:33:54.880
forces, you know, do something
better in the world of bugs. Salute

1575
01:33:54.920 --> 01:33:58.840
you're gonna join the real military.
It's gonna go to that. Sorry guys,

1576
01:33:59.479 --> 01:34:01.520
And then they're like, well I
was kind of toxic. Actually yeah,

1577
01:34:01.800 --> 01:34:05.720
it's recruitment tool. Yeah. Man, three hundred and thirty four thousand

1578
01:34:05.720 --> 01:34:09.880
people playing this right now. Oh
man, it's just good for them.

1579
01:34:10.000 --> 01:34:13.840
That is an absolutely fucking ahead.
That's awesome. It's the right game for

1580
01:34:13.840 --> 01:34:15.880
the right time. It's it's the
newest Animal crossing where it's like it just

1581
01:34:15.960 --> 01:34:18.760
hit when we needed it. Sure, Yeah, they're like early Pandemic.

1582
01:34:18.880 --> 01:34:24.359
Yeah, New Horizons. Yeah it
did scratch an itch for sure. And

1583
01:34:24.520 --> 01:34:27.640
it is interesting to think like what
would have happened if this released at the

1584
01:34:27.680 --> 01:34:30.880
same time as like, uh,
like a Bloodborne style game right where it's

1585
01:34:30.880 --> 01:34:38.079
like everyone's divided, but there wasn't
anything giving worktime and we're coming off like

1586
01:34:38.199 --> 01:34:41.159
years of people being like, Okay, yeah, we played a lot of

1587
01:34:41.159 --> 01:34:44.840
Fortnite. We've played a lot of
these games, and you know, Apex

1588
01:34:44.960 --> 01:34:45.680
Legends, like we had a time, We're not really going to go back

1589
01:34:45.680 --> 01:34:48.479
to that, like you know,
Halo's down, Battlefields down, And so

1590
01:34:48.520 --> 01:34:51.840
a new multiplayer came coming along and
filling in and filling that gap for people

1591
01:34:51.880 --> 01:34:58.840
and being like the new hobby game
is welcome. Speaking of new multiplayer games

1592
01:34:58.920 --> 01:35:01.119
that I was not aware of until
a few days ago, but this is

1593
01:35:01.159 --> 01:35:05.119
very much a local multiplayer game versus
online. I don't don't quote me.

1594
01:35:05.159 --> 01:35:10.199
I don't know PAS online, but
I played locally because Ben Hansen, who

1595
01:35:10.199 --> 01:35:14.239
has introduced me to many many great
things over the years. I had him

1596
01:35:14.279 --> 01:35:16.760
and a bunch of people over for
Sting's last match on Sunday, grabbing.

1597
01:35:16.760 --> 01:35:20.119
I an't watch that, yep,
and Hanson not a wrestling person, but

1598
01:35:20.159 --> 01:35:25.199
I think I saw his opportunity to
be like, hey, afterwards, can

1599
01:35:25.199 --> 01:35:28.000
we play there's this local multiplayer game
that I really want to play with a

1600
01:35:28.039 --> 01:35:30.119
group locally. Do you think people
would stick around for that and know?

1601
01:35:30.239 --> 01:35:32.000
Yeah, yeah, bring it over. I don't you know what they said?

1602
01:35:32.000 --> 01:35:34.800
It's Astro Duel too, and I
had never heard of it, never

1603
01:35:34.800 --> 01:35:36.920
heard of the first one. I
can tell by your faces you probably have

1604
01:35:36.920 --> 01:35:42.159
not heard of it either. Yeah, it's I would describe it, or

1605
01:35:42.199 --> 01:35:46.760
he described it to me actually as
Asteroids meets TowerFall. Okay, so this

1606
01:35:46.800 --> 01:35:49.039
game, this game doesn't come out
till tomorrow, right right, Yeah,

1607
01:35:49.079 --> 01:35:53.880
the embargoes up as you know,
as today as we're recording it. But

1608
01:35:54.199 --> 01:35:58.760
basically, so it's got the tower
Fall type stuff where you are like Samurai

1609
01:35:58.760 --> 01:36:01.600
Gun, where you are little character
with a sword and melee weapons and you

1610
01:36:01.640 --> 01:36:04.800
can pick up guns and get quick
kills on people. But then once you

1611
01:36:04.880 --> 01:36:09.399
leave the confines of like these like
it'll be like it'll look like a like

1612
01:36:09.399 --> 01:36:13.000
an asteroid with like rooms inside of
it, and once you go outside that

1613
01:36:13.359 --> 01:36:15.920
you turn into a ship. So
you turn into like an asteroid ship and

1614
01:36:15.960 --> 01:36:18.920
you're flying around and it's very deliberate. You can't just like mash on fire.

1615
01:36:19.000 --> 01:36:21.920
You'll have like three shots you can
do and then it has to kind

1616
01:36:21.920 --> 01:36:25.640
of reload each one, and you
can pick up homing missiles, you can

1617
01:36:25.640 --> 01:36:29.720
pick up lasers, and there's cool
things too where it's like that breach that

1618
01:36:29.800 --> 01:36:32.000
barrier, Like you can't shoot from
inside to outside, so you can't be

1619
01:36:32.039 --> 01:36:36.199
a person shooting something at a ship
outside and vice versa. But some can.

1620
01:36:36.359 --> 01:36:40.680
So if you get a laser as
your ship form, that laser can

1621
01:36:40.720 --> 01:36:44.800
burst through the barrier and kill the
human forms or just the you know whatever,

1622
01:36:44.920 --> 01:36:47.800
the non ship forms running around inside. So there's a lot of kind

1623
01:36:47.880 --> 01:36:51.840
of push and pull and weird strategy
you can do. But there's also the

1624
01:36:51.880 --> 01:36:55.640
moments where it's like, oh,
this map is just inside, so it's

1625
01:36:55.680 --> 01:36:59.680
just straight up Samurai gun TowerFall style
where we're just scrambling to get the power

1626
01:36:59.760 --> 01:37:02.520
ups kill each other. And I
want to say it was like you could

1627
01:37:02.520 --> 01:37:05.279
do at least I think six players
locally on the switch, and it's a

1628
01:37:05.359 --> 01:37:10.079
very easy game to play with like
the joy Con attachments, so you know,

1629
01:37:10.159 --> 01:37:13.319
it's easy to get a bunch of
controllers together and play with a good

1630
01:37:13.359 --> 01:37:15.319
sized group. But super fun.
We played on a ton of the different

1631
01:37:15.319 --> 01:37:18.800
maps. There's a good variety there. It is definitely one of those things

1632
01:37:18.840 --> 01:37:23.000
where you want to see the replay
and do the slowmoversion and see like,

1633
01:37:23.079 --> 01:37:24.960
oh what happened there? It's like, oh shit, you dodged that and

1634
01:37:24.960 --> 01:37:28.640
then you reflected that shot. And
it's really really fun. It doesn't take

1635
01:37:28.640 --> 01:37:32.039
long to learn. Great with the
group. Great locally. It really does

1636
01:37:32.439 --> 01:37:41.279
look like Samurai Gun, like it
has that quick slice action if you get

1637
01:37:41.319 --> 01:37:45.119
too close to somebody. I'm always
ready for one of those two, Like

1638
01:37:45.119 --> 01:37:46.640
I'm always like in the mood like
I'm glad there's always like one of those

1639
01:37:46.680 --> 01:37:48.600
around and this is going to be
the new one of those, Like yeah,

1640
01:37:48.640 --> 01:37:53.159
absolutely, I welcome that. And
it winds me up, like packs,

1641
01:37:53.279 --> 01:37:56.720
isn't it like just going to seeing
a bunch of people and being like,

1642
01:37:56.760 --> 01:38:00.000
well, we're going to play something
and kill each other or a game.

1643
01:38:00.000 --> 01:38:00.640
You know, one's heard up at
the Endie Megabooth and all of a

1644
01:38:00.640 --> 01:38:03.399
sudden, everyone's crowding around it and
yelling like, Yeah, it's got that

1645
01:38:03.520 --> 01:38:06.319
vibe to it for sure, so
definitely check it out. I played it

1646
01:38:06.359 --> 01:38:10.159
on Switch and that seems to be
a good system to have it for because

1647
01:38:10.159 --> 01:38:12.920
it's you know, bring it with
you, bring a much joy. Cons

1648
01:38:12.920 --> 01:38:15.279
seems like probably the easiest way to
play it with a group of people,

1649
01:38:15.439 --> 01:38:17.800
especially on the go. But yeah, yeah, really really solid. So

1650
01:38:17.880 --> 01:38:21.239
thanks the answer for the recommendation.
Yeah it looks really it looks really cool.

1651
01:38:21.520 --> 01:38:26.680
Yeah yeah, same. It says
here it's got a Steam remote play

1652
01:38:26.720 --> 01:38:29.239
together, so it doesn't seem like
it has online multiplayer, but I bet

1653
01:38:29.279 --> 01:38:32.119
it would work fine with steamrote remote
plays. So crub does seems to began

1654
01:38:32.119 --> 01:38:34.359
for like a UPF segment. Yeah, well we'll see if we can get

1655
01:38:34.359 --> 01:38:36.159
it up and running and very you
know, if we have to, we'll

1656
01:38:36.159 --> 01:38:39.079
do PARSEC, but I bet we
can get this work in. Yeah.

1657
01:38:39.319 --> 01:38:43.880
Yeah, but a big recommendation from
what I played. I spent some time

1658
01:38:43.920 --> 01:38:46.560
this week after I beat Like a
Dragon playing Expeditions, a mud Runner game

1659
01:38:46.880 --> 01:38:51.279
mud Runners and snow Runners of franchise. I'm a huge fan of snow Runner.

1660
01:38:51.399 --> 01:38:54.439
Was my game of the Year the
year it came out, and it's

1661
01:38:54.560 --> 01:38:57.840
just about you know, trucks moving
big stuff from one place to another,

1662
01:38:58.239 --> 01:39:00.239
and there is mud and you're going
to get stuck in it, or there's

1663
01:39:00.279 --> 01:39:06.159
snow and your tires are going to
spin, and using a combination of other

1664
01:39:06.239 --> 01:39:12.199
big trucks and a winch on a
tree and lowering the air pressure in your

1665
01:39:12.199 --> 01:39:15.800
tires and turning on all wheel drive
and then turning on a differential luck all

1666
01:39:15.840 --> 01:39:19.680
these like tools that you have at
your disposal to get the most traction while

1667
01:39:19.720 --> 01:39:24.800
also reserving as much fuel in your
tank as possible so you don't run out

1668
01:39:25.000 --> 01:39:27.800
a fuel before you accomplish your goal. And if you do, then you

1669
01:39:27.840 --> 01:39:30.279
can drive another truck there that has
some backup fuel and fill it up.

1670
01:39:30.600 --> 01:39:35.399
All these things of like you have
a goal and you make decisions on your

1671
01:39:35.399 --> 01:39:39.439
way to accomplishing that goal, and
then you have to live with those consequences.

1672
01:39:39.479 --> 01:39:43.359
And I really really enjoy games like
that. And then I just like

1673
01:39:43.359 --> 01:39:46.039
big machinery moving around in spaces,
in a physical space and feeling like,

1674
01:39:46.880 --> 01:39:51.279
you know, you go around a
corner and you if you're going too fast,

1675
01:39:51.319 --> 01:39:55.720
you're going to damage your engine,
and it's not like the game deciding

1676
01:39:55.760 --> 01:39:58.880
like this is where people have their
engine damage. It's like, no,

1677
01:39:58.960 --> 01:40:01.840
it's all physics simulation thing that's happening, and it's all because of the decisions

1678
01:40:01.880 --> 01:40:09.199
you made. This version of this
franchise is new. It's expeditions, and

1679
01:40:09.239 --> 01:40:12.439
what it does is in snow Runner, you would be kind of in like

1680
01:40:12.479 --> 01:40:15.039
an open zone and it'd be like
you need to like rebuild the world by

1681
01:40:15.039 --> 01:40:17.319
taking things from one place to the
other, and you're going back and forth,

1682
01:40:17.560 --> 01:40:20.520
and this is kind of similar to
that, but you are doing much

1683
01:40:20.920 --> 01:40:26.159
like smaller bite sized goals, and
once you do that, you're like moving

1684
01:40:26.159 --> 01:40:28.439
on to the next one, and
it's not like rebuilding the world. You're

1685
01:40:28.479 --> 01:40:30.359
like, oh, you got to
go take a radio tower from one place

1686
01:40:30.359 --> 01:40:32.960
to another, and once that set
up, you're good. You could just

1687
01:40:33.039 --> 01:40:35.520
you know, click to the next
thing on the menu and start doing that,

1688
01:40:35.920 --> 01:40:41.960
and it's and so the result there
is instead of always being like,

1689
01:40:42.039 --> 01:40:44.439
Okay, I need to have the
big truck because I'm gonna have to carry

1690
01:40:44.520 --> 01:40:47.119
like six logs and I'm going to
need the little crane thing that can like

1691
01:40:47.119 --> 01:40:49.479
get the logs off the ground and
put it on the truck and stuff like

1692
01:40:49.520 --> 01:40:51.880
that, and so I'm gonna have
to like get this thing across here no

1693
01:40:51.920 --> 01:40:55.880
matter what. You could spend more
time in some of the smaller and more

1694
01:40:55.920 --> 01:40:59.640
exploratory vehicles, which is kind of
a relief because so those are very fun

1695
01:40:59.680 --> 01:41:03.279
to drive, and you still have
all the same physical reactions from the world

1696
01:41:03.319 --> 01:41:05.760
that you have to deal with,
but it's like I have a little bit

1697
01:41:05.800 --> 01:41:09.079
more freedom and I can actually feel
like, Okay, there's a tree up

1698
01:41:09.079 --> 01:41:12.199
there that's going to be able to
pull me if I winch this truck up

1699
01:41:12.199 --> 01:41:15.079
there, I have the right tires
on, I'm actually gonna be able to

1700
01:41:15.079 --> 01:41:17.000
get up that hill, as opposed
to having like this you know, forty

1701
01:41:17.079 --> 01:41:19.560
ton truck that was like, no, no matter what I do there,

1702
01:41:19.640 --> 01:41:24.600
that's going to be impossible. And
so far I've really, I really really

1703
01:41:24.640 --> 01:41:27.039
liking it. It's you know,
snow Runners my game of the year that

1704
01:41:27.119 --> 01:41:30.279
year. It's maybe not quite exactly
what I want from one of these games,

1705
01:41:30.279 --> 01:41:34.560
but it is a cool sort of
sideways position for this for this franchise

1706
01:41:34.600 --> 01:41:38.680
to go in, and I think
they did a pretty good job with like

1707
01:41:38.800 --> 01:41:43.479
keeping the missions interesting. The thing
is, it feels a little underbaked.

1708
01:41:44.960 --> 01:41:46.800
I did an early mission where I'm
like, Okay, you have your vehicle

1709
01:41:46.840 --> 01:41:50.359
and you could have like so many
inventory slots, and for an early mission,

1710
01:41:50.359 --> 01:41:53.359
I'm like, Oh'm gona fill up
all these inventory slots with like extra

1711
01:41:53.359 --> 01:41:55.560
fuel and all this stuff. And
I got to where i was supposed to

1712
01:41:55.560 --> 01:41:59.399
be going, and at that point, I'm supposed to take something and put

1713
01:41:59.439 --> 01:42:01.319
it in my inventory, but all
my inventory thoughts were full and there was

1714
01:42:01.359 --> 01:42:03.359
no way for me to get rid
of it, and it did not give

1715
01:42:03.399 --> 01:42:08.319
me the option to like go back
to the main menu or to restart the

1716
01:42:08.359 --> 01:42:11.439
mission. It was like, no, we're in the tutorial and it didn't

1717
01:42:11.479 --> 01:42:13.760
realize that I messed up and didn't
give me a way to solve that.

1718
01:42:13.800 --> 01:42:15.840
So I just had to start the
mission over by like fully quitting and coming

1719
01:42:15.880 --> 01:42:19.319
back in. So there's like some
like rough edges here and there. But

1720
01:42:19.359 --> 01:42:23.239
as I've gotten past the tutorial and
I'm now I'm just actually doing the game,

1721
01:42:23.560 --> 01:42:26.880
most of that stuff has sort of
resolved itself, so I'm really happy

1722
01:42:26.920 --> 01:42:29.880
with it, and I'm kind I'm
kind of hoping that it kind of maintains

1723
01:42:29.880 --> 01:42:33.199
this momentum all the way through are
you playing with the wheel sometimes? But

1724
01:42:33.199 --> 01:42:38.159
I'm mostly playing on the steam deck
where it runs great because it looks and

1725
01:42:38.239 --> 01:42:40.920
it looks and runs really great on
there. I'm like fully at sixty frames

1726
01:42:40.920 --> 01:42:45.319
per second and that's really nice and
and you know, being able to play

1727
01:42:45.319 --> 01:42:47.479
it anywhere it's great. But you
know, we played some snow Runners and

1728
01:42:47.520 --> 01:42:50.560
playing that with the wheel and having
the full force feedback and feeling like you're

1729
01:42:50.560 --> 01:42:53.840
fighting with it, that stuff is
great as well. That's what I was

1730
01:42:53.880 --> 01:42:55.800
thinking, is like, since I
moved here, it's like I do have

1731
01:42:55.840 --> 01:42:58.760
space in this room for like a
permanent like like keep the wheel, like

1732
01:42:58.960 --> 01:43:00.319
like it was a pain in the
ass at the last place because the room

1733
01:43:00.399 --> 01:43:03.199
was kind of crowded and like I
had to like move the wheel and kind

1734
01:43:03.199 --> 01:43:05.279
of try to pull it up,
and it's just it was very cumbersome.

1735
01:43:05.560 --> 01:43:09.680
Here I could kind of just leave
it back there and pull it out whenever

1736
01:43:09.720 --> 01:43:12.600
I want to play something. I
liked playing that with you. We did

1737
01:43:12.600 --> 01:43:15.640
a two or three episodes on Giant
Bomb of it. So this game is

1738
01:43:15.680 --> 01:43:18.279
going to have co op. It's
on the menu. It's just coming soon.

1739
01:43:18.399 --> 01:43:20.520
Interesting, I think as soon as
soon as that drops, let me

1740
01:43:20.560 --> 01:43:23.960
know, you give me an excuse
and all of a sudden back up in

1741
01:43:24.000 --> 01:43:25.640
air. For sure, it sounds
great, All right, perfect, I'll

1742
01:43:25.680 --> 01:43:28.479
get wheel going and we'll do something
with that. I mean, I think

1743
01:43:28.479 --> 01:43:32.079
this game is much better set up
to be a multiplayer game than the previous

1744
01:43:32.119 --> 01:43:36.239
games. Yeah, so I think
it'll work really well. I'm in now.

1745
01:43:36.439 --> 01:43:42.079
Some of the ratings on Steam are
a bit mixed, and it sounds

1746
01:43:42.119 --> 01:43:49.840
like some of it is because of
it. Is it in game like pricing

1747
01:43:49.880 --> 01:43:55.199
and things like that. What do
you think is causing that. I've not

1748
01:43:55.319 --> 01:43:58.840
looked too too closely at those so
far. I was like trying to like,

1749
01:43:58.840 --> 01:44:01.680
like craft my own opinion. Don't
want to be influenced by other people.

1750
01:44:01.840 --> 01:44:04.199
Yeah, most of them. I
saw anything that would get me right.

1751
01:44:04.279 --> 01:44:06.279
Most of the time, I don't
care about that stuff, but here

1752
01:44:06.279 --> 01:44:08.960
I was like, yeah, it
was definitely like this is one of my

1753
01:44:08.960 --> 01:44:11.239
favorite things. I want to see
how I feel. But if I were

1754
01:44:11.279 --> 01:44:15.159
to guess, I would say that
this is a franchise that has had a

1755
01:44:15.159 --> 01:44:19.640
lot of success selling packs of new
vehicles and stuff like that, and I

1756
01:44:19.640 --> 01:44:24.920
think probably out of the gate having
many of the cooler vehicles is locked behind

1757
01:44:24.920 --> 01:44:29.279
that is probably rubbing some people the
wrong way. But I'm mostly playing with

1758
01:44:29.319 --> 01:44:31.079
the base vehicles. I think I
have a couple of special edition versions of

1759
01:44:31.119 --> 01:44:34.640
the basic vehicles and I'm having a
good time. It's you know, I'm

1760
01:44:34.680 --> 01:44:38.840
playing the mostly the basic version of
the game, and I've gone to look

1761
01:44:38.840 --> 01:44:42.359
at the DLC all that much.
I find that actually the best way to

1762
01:44:42.359 --> 01:44:45.399
play these games is with the vehicles
they just give you, because then it's

1763
01:44:45.399 --> 01:44:48.720
more challenging and it's not like,
oh, well, I have an awesome

1764
01:44:48.760 --> 01:44:53.399
truck that can just basically go over
anything. That removes some of the fund

1765
01:44:53.439 --> 01:44:57.199
from the game for me. So
from these of like your vehicle to other

1766
01:44:57.279 --> 01:45:00.439
people or is it just what you
have, Like it's not like nobody else

1767
01:45:00.479 --> 01:45:02.279
is seeing what you drive. Yeah, I mean if if you're doing the

1768
01:45:02.359 --> 01:45:06.239
multiplayer mode a little bit, But
I can't imagine because like you could also

1769
01:45:06.319 --> 01:45:09.840
like let people use your cool vehicle. Maybe that would be fun when you're

1770
01:45:09.840 --> 01:45:13.479
playing the four player mode, but
it's not like some big online experience where

1771
01:45:13.479 --> 01:45:17.359
you're going to be showing stuff off. No, but yeah, I'm not

1772
01:45:17.439 --> 01:45:24.520
rolling Coal, But you know they
have all us, they have all real

1773
01:45:24.640 --> 01:45:28.479
like vehicle brands, and you know
there are people who are like like,

1774
01:45:28.520 --> 01:45:30.359
no, I'm I'm a Ford person, Like give me my Ford vehicle,

1775
01:45:30.399 --> 01:45:32.479
and it's like, well, no, all the Ford vehicles cost extra.

1776
01:45:32.520 --> 01:45:35.119
If it's something like that, I
could see people being frustrated by that.

1777
01:45:36.680 --> 01:45:41.199
Nice I yes, let me know
when that has co op. I'm in

1778
01:45:41.279 --> 01:45:43.479
yes right away. I was like, I was going to get it set

1779
01:45:43.520 --> 01:45:45.359
up, and I'm like, Okay, the co op's not turned on yet,

1780
01:45:45.359 --> 01:45:46.800
so as soon as it is,
we'll make a big deal out of

1781
01:45:46.800 --> 01:45:51.680
that, and that'll be fun before
we finish with I am curious where everyone's

1782
01:45:51.680 --> 01:45:56.319
at with their blato addictions. I'll
just say very quickly, uh. I

1783
01:45:56.319 --> 01:45:59.399
played a little a penny big breakaway. I played the like first world of

1784
01:45:59.439 --> 01:46:01.760
it, and and I like it. That's where I'm a big mark for

1785
01:46:02.000 --> 01:46:04.560
three D platformers. This is a
good one for sure. The thing I

1786
01:46:04.560 --> 01:46:11.319
immediately appreciated was the amount of mobility
you have, Like that's that's my test

1787
01:46:11.359 --> 01:46:15.119
for the three D platformers, Like
immediately upon moving the character and pressing buttons,

1788
01:46:15.520 --> 01:46:17.520
if you're instantly having fun and doing
cool stuff and flips like Mario six

1789
01:46:17.560 --> 01:46:20.039
Sport is kind of like the benchmark
for that. Well, I mean Mars

1790
01:46:20.079 --> 01:46:24.720
Sunshine's better, but you know that
type of stuff. And I tried it,

1791
01:46:24.760 --> 01:46:27.920
and this passed the bar very quickly. There's a lot of air mobility.

1792
01:46:27.960 --> 01:46:30.279
There's a lot of that, Like
Mario Odyssey, I jumped up here,

1793
01:46:30.319 --> 01:46:32.920
I threw my cap in a different
direction, and then I moved the

1794
01:46:33.000 --> 01:46:35.159
mid air and dove on to the
cap, and then that sprung me into

1795
01:46:35.159 --> 01:46:39.560
a different direction. And so like
seeing like a thing that's really far away

1796
01:46:39.680 --> 01:46:42.039
or really high up or both,
and being like, I bet I can

1797
01:46:42.039 --> 01:46:45.119
pull some bullshit and I can make
that happen. You can usually do that

1798
01:46:45.159 --> 01:46:46.560
with this. You can you got
like a yo yo that you can use

1799
01:46:46.600 --> 01:46:50.680
as kind of like a bionic Commandos
swing. You can do you know,

1800
01:46:50.800 --> 01:46:57.359
spins and all sorts of different ways
grapple type situations and everything. But it's

1801
01:46:57.359 --> 01:47:00.279
a lot of fun to play.
The thing I don't like is they it

1802
01:47:00.319 --> 01:47:03.960
does this thing that I hope they
stop doing where a bunch of fucking penguins

1803
01:47:03.960 --> 01:47:08.840
show up and they just mob you
and like they chase you, and so

1804
01:47:08.840 --> 01:47:11.720
all of a sudden, it's very
deliberate with that. Yeah, it's very

1805
01:47:11.720 --> 01:47:15.399
satisfying thing where it's like I feel
like I'm in so much control over you

1806
01:47:15.399 --> 01:47:17.359
know, Penny's movements and jumps and
platforming. All of a sudden, it's

1807
01:47:17.359 --> 01:47:21.000
like a like these fucking penguins and
I'm jamming buttons and I just jump off

1808
01:47:21.000 --> 01:47:24.079
a clip or something. It's like, ah, man, Like I know

1809
01:47:24.159 --> 01:47:26.560
that they're trying to like kind of
keep you moving through the level in a

1810
01:47:26.640 --> 01:47:30.039
way that's maybe not as on rails
as like that kind of like Sonic Dreamcast,

1811
01:47:30.039 --> 01:47:31.840
that Sonic Adventure type of stuff,
you know. But every time the

1812
01:47:31.840 --> 01:47:33.560
penguins show up in this game,
I was like, I fuck this,

1813
01:47:33.960 --> 01:47:38.399
But the other stuff feels very good. I would like to keep playing it.

1814
01:47:38.399 --> 01:47:40.880
That's one of the games where I'm
like, Okay, if I stop

1815
01:47:40.920 --> 01:47:44.000
Final Fantasy, now I can get
more time to these games. So yeah,

1816
01:47:44.039 --> 01:47:46.159
that's where I'm with this at,
with this series as well, or

1817
01:47:46.279 --> 01:47:48.920
this game as well. Like I
started it, I want to get back

1818
01:47:48.920 --> 01:47:53.720
to spend more time with it.
Sean mentioned that he there's a lot of

1819
01:47:53.720 --> 01:47:57.039
like Tony Hawk correlation where he's like, I played a level and basically never

1820
01:47:57.039 --> 01:47:59.720
stopped my combo. I'm like,
what what are you talk about? So

1821
01:47:59.720 --> 01:48:00.960
I'm like, Okay, I need
to get back in there and like really

1822
01:48:00.960 --> 01:48:05.600
explore the bounds of the of the
mobility system, because apparently it's like,

1823
01:48:05.640 --> 01:48:11.119
yeah, you can really like just
stitch everything together from beginning to end.

1824
01:48:11.119 --> 01:48:13.319
And I'm like, okay, I'm
gonna check that out a whole level without

1825
01:48:13.319 --> 01:48:16.119
like stopping moves and como basically yes, yeah, you know, riding on

1826
01:48:16.119 --> 01:48:18.479
the yo yo and then I maybe
grinding. I don't know, I don't

1827
01:48:18.479 --> 01:48:21.439
know what's possible later on in the
game. Yeah. And also it's got

1828
01:48:21.439 --> 01:48:27.479
that like style of the Saturn game
with like kind of the visual fidelity of

1829
01:48:27.520 --> 01:48:30.960
a Dreamcast game, which is pretty
nice. Yeah, that's a nice combo.

1830
01:48:30.199 --> 01:48:32.680
So it's got a lot going forward. For sure. I do want

1831
01:48:32.680 --> 01:48:35.359
to play more of it. I
definitely. I was like, yeah,

1832
01:48:35.399 --> 01:48:39.760
it's it's it's cute. I think
it looks like a nineteen nineties, like

1833
01:48:39.880 --> 01:48:42.800
late nineteen nineties video game magazine to
me, Like that color scheme, it's

1834
01:48:42.920 --> 01:48:45.800
just like something you would see in
like ultra game players like and yeah,

1835
01:48:45.000 --> 01:48:51.359
that's awesome. Too many penguins.
All right, where are we at?

1836
01:48:51.800 --> 01:48:54.920
When when was that? Okay,
here, let's start with this. When

1837
01:48:55.000 --> 01:48:58.880
let's go around the room. When
was the last time you played Bilatro All

1838
01:48:58.920 --> 01:49:03.199
Start? Probably last night for me
Mary Monday, I streamed it, okay,

1839
01:49:03.399 --> 01:49:08.720
Jeff over the weekend, I'm sorry, peas me Breakway keeps shouting at

1840
01:49:08.720 --> 01:49:11.920
me from this window and steem,
I gotta close that. Yeah. Over

1841
01:49:11.920 --> 01:49:15.439
the weekend on Sunday, I played
way more than I intended to. Like,

1842
01:49:15.520 --> 01:49:16.359
that's where I'm at with that game, where it's like I need to

1843
01:49:16.359 --> 01:49:18.680
put it away so I can play
some other stuff, and then suddenly I

1844
01:49:18.680 --> 01:49:23.920
find myself playing it again. Yeah. Yeah, it's it is like,

1845
01:49:23.960 --> 01:49:26.079
I know people say this about a
ton of different games, where it's like,

1846
01:49:26.119 --> 01:49:28.000
oh I just picked it up for
one thing and I fell down on

1847
01:49:28.079 --> 01:49:30.800
whatever hole. This is about the
worst I've seen that because it's like,

1848
01:49:30.920 --> 01:49:33.319
okay, let me get at least
like I'm doing one run and he sit

1849
01:49:33.359 --> 01:49:36.439
down, say you don't get a
bunch of jokers that work together. You

1850
01:49:36.520 --> 01:49:40.720
get to like Annie three and it's
like, okay, this isn't like these

1851
01:49:40.760 --> 01:49:45.039
jokers suck. I'm not gonna I'm
barely getting past the required chips here.

1852
01:49:45.279 --> 01:49:46.199
Let me okay, I'll get it. Let me get a real run.

1853
01:49:46.359 --> 01:49:50.039
Yeah, one more real run.
Yeah, then you and then it's five

1854
01:49:50.039 --> 01:49:55.640
hours later like it's addictive. Yeah, yep, it really is. I

1855
01:49:55.840 --> 01:50:00.279
mean it's just it's a pure design
of just like you understand it. You

1856
01:50:00.319 --> 01:50:02.800
have good ideas in your head and
you just want to like express that idea

1857
01:50:02.800 --> 01:50:04.560
and you're going to kee playing until
you get a chance to do that.

1858
01:50:04.600 --> 01:50:08.199
And then once you do, it's
like that felt so good and I didn't

1859
01:50:08.199 --> 01:50:10.720
win, Let's see if I can
try again. So it's like everything is

1860
01:50:10.760 --> 01:50:13.520
pointing you back to play that one
more turn. Yeah. I've been trying

1861
01:50:13.520 --> 01:50:15.000
to keep my mondays open because it's
like, well it's wrestle my any of

1862
01:50:15.039 --> 01:50:17.760
season RAW, it's been pretty good. So it's like that's three hours long,

1863
01:50:17.800 --> 01:50:20.159
but I don't have to be paying
attention every second of it, so

1864
01:50:20.479 --> 01:50:24.640
it's the perfect time. I'll get
three hours of platro in on the couch

1865
01:50:24.680 --> 01:50:28.159
while I'm watching RAW, and then
three hours is a long time. Raw

1866
01:50:28.239 --> 01:50:30.880
usually feels like three hours, and
all of a sudden, it'll be ten

1867
01:50:30.920 --> 01:50:32.439
o'clock and I'm like, what the
fuck am I feel like I just started

1868
01:50:32.439 --> 01:50:34.960
this. So I've had like a
couple of runs here and then I'm up

1869
01:50:35.000 --> 01:50:39.640
till you know hours later, still
playing I play it. I never play

1870
01:50:39.720 --> 01:50:42.439
games in bed. I'm very much
in no screens in the bedroom person.

1871
01:50:42.840 --> 01:50:46.319
And this is the one game maybe
ever that I've like bring the switch in

1872
01:50:46.399 --> 01:50:49.680
the bed and finish this run.
You know. Yep. It's uh,

1873
01:50:49.880 --> 01:50:54.960
it really is that addictive. And
it's I don't even use that word lightly.

1874
01:50:55.000 --> 01:50:58.439
It's just I did find myself,
like like the weekend before last,

1875
01:50:59.439 --> 01:51:01.800
like, oh, this this is
a problem, Like I am ignoring responsibilities

1876
01:51:01.840 --> 01:51:04.279
in life to play this game.
And that was like I really had to

1877
01:51:04.319 --> 01:51:09.640
like actually actively force myself to put
it down. It's one that like you

1878
01:51:09.680 --> 01:51:13.720
don't you don't start a run unless
you really have you've done your ship for

1879
01:51:13.760 --> 01:51:15.119
the day, because it's like if
I start this, I'm not gonna work

1880
01:51:15.119 --> 01:51:17.279
out, I'm not gonna meditate,
I'm not going to do this thing or

1881
01:51:17.279 --> 01:51:20.039
that thing. Like let me get
all that shit done and I can reward

1882
01:51:20.079 --> 01:51:25.119
myself by just like going into a
blattro hole. It's also like really casual.

1883
01:51:25.199 --> 01:51:28.479
So like let's say we have a
rule, which is we have something

1884
01:51:28.520 --> 01:51:30.920
called family fun time, which is
like, hey, you're supposed to watch

1885
01:51:30.920 --> 01:51:34.800
TV hang out for least an hour
spend time together. Right, Well,

1886
01:51:35.680 --> 01:51:41.680
I can play Blattro while I do
that. I can, that's fun.

1887
01:51:41.920 --> 01:51:46.760
I can play Vlatro while I sit
with somebody or watch TV or be on

1888
01:51:46.840 --> 01:51:53.279
a call with my dad. Like
Blatro is like this perfect catch all where

1889
01:51:53.279 --> 01:51:57.960
like you can because there's there's no
time limit, I can think about what

1890
01:51:58.000 --> 01:52:02.319
I want to do. I can
casually just and it works perfectly on the

1891
01:52:02.359 --> 01:52:06.920
steam deck, Like this is such
a great game. I was on that

1892
01:52:08.000 --> 01:52:12.640
thirteen hour flight to the Netherlands.
What the fuck else do you think I

1893
01:52:12.760 --> 01:52:18.640
did? I played Blatra almost the
entire time. I read like two chapters

1894
01:52:18.640 --> 01:52:20.479
of a book, and then I
was like, I think I'll treat myself

1895
01:52:20.479 --> 01:52:25.920
to a little Blatra, and I
played it the entire time. It's just

1896
01:52:25.960 --> 01:52:30.760
super fun and getting you're right to
like the game can be quite punishing.

1897
01:52:30.800 --> 01:52:34.079
Sometimes your jokers are just ass and
they're almost like toy with you a little

1898
01:52:34.079 --> 01:52:36.199
bit, where they're just like,
we know this joker isn't any good,

1899
01:52:36.199 --> 01:52:40.399
but you need something a little bit, and you keep unlocking more and so

1900
01:52:40.439 --> 01:52:42.279
it's like you get ideas in your
head and like, all right, I'm

1901
01:52:42.279 --> 01:52:44.399
gonna try to have that build and
it's like, yeah, now that's like

1902
01:52:44.479 --> 01:52:47.039
even harder to get because there's like
I have forty more jokers than I had

1903
01:52:47.039 --> 01:52:50.159
before and say, oh man,
okay, our tolerance for good stuff has

1904
01:52:50.199 --> 01:52:53.279
gone up so much in this word. It's like in the beginning, it's

1905
01:52:53.319 --> 01:52:56.439
like you get like, ooh,
this one for every spade I have,

1906
01:52:56.600 --> 01:53:00.600
but it'll give me thirty chips.
It's like, oh, this killer and

1907
01:53:00.640 --> 01:53:06.800
polychrome my multifier with every fucking card
under two I have, and every tarot

1908
01:53:06.800 --> 01:53:12.000
card I get like that horseshit,
like no joker can eat my ass.

1909
01:53:12.039 --> 01:53:15.960
I'm not dealing with some stupid,
weak ass joker. And you have like

1910
01:53:15.319 --> 01:53:20.439
really miserable jokers. Will be like
this joker gives you zero point five multiplayer

1911
01:53:20.520 --> 01:53:25.760
for every joker you delete, and
it's just like all right, I'm just

1912
01:53:25.800 --> 01:53:30.159
gonna nuke my entire force and then
I'm towing it all the way for this

1913
01:53:30.239 --> 01:53:33.159
sweet ass joker. Like I have
done that. I have, I've burned

1914
01:53:33.199 --> 01:53:36.640
my entire build halfway through to be
like this is worth it. And you

1915
01:53:36.680 --> 01:53:41.039
know what it is. It's all
fucking gambling. It's all like the gambling

1916
01:53:41.079 --> 01:53:45.640
mentality, which is just like I'm
this far in the blind is going up.

1917
01:53:45.000 --> 01:53:48.920
You can't you can't stay on these
piss ass jokers forever. Mary.

1918
01:53:49.279 --> 01:53:53.119
You know, you have to find
a better joker. And so I'm just

1919
01:53:53.199 --> 01:53:56.680
I'm throwing it all away. I
have like four dollars to my name,

1920
01:53:57.199 --> 01:54:00.239
and I'm like, someone give me
a fucking good joker. It's it's amazing

1921
01:54:00.319 --> 01:54:03.680
what takes me do. Once I
know I'm at like death's door, That's

1922
01:54:03.720 --> 01:54:06.000
when I'm like, Okay, this
isn't gonna work. Now I need to

1923
01:54:06.000 --> 01:54:09.479
just unlock step with the collection.
So I'm gonna buy that horse shit thing

1924
01:54:09.520 --> 01:54:12.560
to not discovered joker because I never
wanted to buy it, but I'll get

1925
01:54:12.600 --> 01:54:15.239
it just the market ops. Now
I've got like one hundred and thirty nine

1926
01:54:15.239 --> 01:54:16.920
of one hundred and fifty jokers.
The thing I'm trying to do now is

1927
01:54:16.960 --> 01:54:20.119
beat it a green Steaks one,
because you start with the white steaks and

1928
01:54:20.199 --> 01:54:24.399
the red steaks and the green steaks. I don't know if you've how far

1929
01:54:24.439 --> 01:54:29.560
you guys are with that stuff.
I've I've only beaten it once actually,

1930
01:54:29.720 --> 01:54:33.119
so yeah, and that was It's
been pretty frustrating. So I'm now I'm

1931
01:54:33.159 --> 01:54:34.640
like, Okay, well I beat
it with that. I think I beat

1932
01:54:34.640 --> 01:54:38.600
it with the Red deck, the
standard one, and so now I'm going

1933
01:54:38.640 --> 01:54:40.760
through and I'm going to try to
beat with the other decks. But I

1934
01:54:40.760 --> 01:54:43.359
did. I did put it way
way so I could beat like a dragon,

1935
01:54:43.399 --> 01:54:45.760
and I'm like proud of myself for
actually being able to do that.

1936
01:54:45.840 --> 01:54:50.720
Good. I think I've beaten it
seventy eight times now. Red deck is

1937
01:54:50.720 --> 01:54:57.840
the easiest for me to beat it
on. I have the four other Well

1938
01:54:57.840 --> 01:55:01.640
done, Mary, Sorry say that
again? Did you say you do?

1939
01:55:01.920 --> 01:55:05.319
Oh? I like Green, the
one that's like you get a dollar for

1940
01:55:05.359 --> 01:55:09.520
every discard as well, because like
then with Green, I build all my

1941
01:55:09.560 --> 01:55:12.079
decks around like give me shit.
They're like, okay, I'll do the

1942
01:55:12.119 --> 01:55:15.800
egg that gives me three dollars cell
value every round and one that adds up

1943
01:55:15.840 --> 01:55:17.720
the cell value of everything and adds
up to molt and like that those are

1944
01:55:17.720 --> 01:55:21.600
my like money runs is the Green
deck ones. I'm sorry, I got

1945
01:55:21.600 --> 01:55:26.239
to interrupt. Damn would you mind
going to twitch dot tv slash Tolkoto right

1946
01:55:26.279 --> 01:55:28.159
now and see what he's doing.
Oh, don't do this to me.

1947
01:55:28.319 --> 01:55:32.000
Don't do this to me. Okay, I'm just gonna I'm gonna guess it

1948
01:55:32.039 --> 01:55:35.920
involves me, it involved Disney,
right, it does not. It might

1949
01:55:35.960 --> 01:55:39.560
be the last thing you would guess
that a person like him would do.

1950
01:55:40.159 --> 01:55:45.159
All right, super ad. Oh
I just saw the title of the stream.

1951
01:55:45.720 --> 01:55:51.159
It says Mortal Kombat Mythologies Again.
What's wrong with him? I don't

1952
01:55:51.279 --> 01:55:55.680
know. He's hang on, Let's
get in this chat right now. Hang

1953
01:55:55.720 --> 01:56:00.039
on, okay, hang on all
right, Mike. It's so distracted.

1954
01:56:00.119 --> 01:56:06.800
I am currently recording fire Escape with
Mary and Grub. What the fuck are

1955
01:56:06.960 --> 01:56:19.600
you doing? Okay, Mary's yeah, I'm never not on Twitch. He's

1956
01:56:19.600 --> 01:56:24.600
gonna speed he says, yeah,
he's like you got in. He said

1957
01:56:24.600 --> 01:56:27.000
he's gonna speed rund because he you
know, he does play through in one

1958
01:56:27.039 --> 01:56:29.439
city and he's gonna be on the
board. Look, I hate to say

1959
01:56:29.520 --> 01:56:33.319
this, but I do respect this
When I play this a little bit.

1960
01:56:33.960 --> 01:56:39.720
It's kind of fun in a really
weird way. Oh he just noticed.

1961
01:56:40.319 --> 01:56:46.800
Yeah, oh what a nightmare.
Well he's saying this is great audio.

1962
01:56:50.720 --> 01:56:57.920
Yep. Oh no, yes,
you might have messed up here. So

1963
01:56:58.079 --> 01:57:00.680
okay, So he's saying, my
why, Dan replies, I just said

1964
01:57:00.720 --> 01:57:03.479
I have to leave it and I
closed the window, right Okay, So

1965
01:57:04.600 --> 01:57:11.199
Dan is playing Superman sixty four for
Blake Club. Yeah, yes, uh.

1966
01:57:11.239 --> 01:57:15.760
And in Superman sixty four on the
normal difficulty, you actually don't really

1967
01:57:15.800 --> 01:57:19.560
beat the game. Why not?
I didn't. It's it's a it is

1968
01:57:19.560 --> 01:57:21.920
a little bit different, but I
understand what you're getting at there. Uh,

1969
01:57:23.399 --> 01:57:25.920
So you to beat on Superman difficulty, but the rules of Blake Club

1970
01:57:26.039 --> 01:57:29.119
is you play on the normal difficulty. So I think where we were about

1971
01:57:29.159 --> 01:57:31.279
ready to like let this one go. But Dan did say that if Mike

1972
01:57:31.359 --> 01:57:36.079
beats Shinnock, which is an optional
thing in Mortal Koma mythologies, and it's

1973
01:57:36.079 --> 01:57:40.319
like very difficult. You have to
have like five healing urns or else it's

1974
01:57:40.319 --> 01:57:44.439
impossible. But if he does that, then Dan says he will play Superman

1975
01:57:44.520 --> 01:57:49.039
sixty four again on Superman difficulty to
get to the end and actually see credits.

1976
01:57:49.119 --> 01:57:55.840
Mike cheat, though, I don't
think. I don't think. So

1977
01:57:56.319 --> 01:57:59.319
are you gonna watch this fucking archive
of him playing this goddamn game again?

1978
01:57:59.640 --> 01:58:02.319
I need No, he's not doing
some horse shit, because he's not gonna

1979
01:58:02.359 --> 01:58:09.520
do horseshit. But after today it
was Superman to watch the vod I don't

1980
01:58:09.560 --> 01:58:14.720
do that. I here's I don't
think he's actually gonna do this and beat

1981
01:58:14.720 --> 01:58:17.600
shanockcause it's like other games are gonna
come out here pretty soon and he's gonna

1982
01:58:17.600 --> 01:58:19.920
have to do his real job and
he's not gonna have time to do this

1983
01:58:19.960 --> 01:58:24.239
because it's not like some trivial thing
to get to Shock and do that.

1984
01:58:24.279 --> 01:58:26.319
But he's right. I heard him
there say that, like, oh,

1985
01:58:26.399 --> 01:58:28.560
Dan, I know you're a man
of your word, and like I did

1986
01:58:28.560 --> 01:58:30.640
say that, Oh you would do
it. Yes, I do whatever cowardly

1987
01:58:30.640 --> 01:58:33.239
heel should. I can do like
get out of stuff and do a little

1988
01:58:33.720 --> 01:58:39.359
finger stuff. But like if he
beats Shanak, legit, I'm gonna have

1989
01:58:39.399 --> 01:58:44.039
to fucking do that, and I
will do that all right. That Jesus

1990
01:58:45.479 --> 01:58:50.279
okay, did not expect that.
Yep, we have the people people in

1991
01:58:50.319 --> 01:58:54.640
chatter Root and for him to beat
Shanock now they want this, are you

1992
01:58:54.920 --> 01:58:59.560
damn fucking maniac? I mean for
him, I mean I have so much

1993
01:58:59.600 --> 01:59:01.319
respect for Like, look it says
like when Grub and I were like speed

1994
01:59:01.399 --> 01:59:08.880
running astros playroom and stuff, there
was a simultaneous dread and excitement when he

1995
01:59:08.920 --> 01:59:11.319
would tweet at me and be like, hey, check it out. Did

1996
01:59:11.319 --> 01:59:14.199
this thing, It's like I'd be
a fuck and then all right, load

1997
01:59:14.199 --> 01:59:15.279
it up, let's do it like. It's like I got work to do.

1998
01:59:15.359 --> 01:59:19.199
And I like that feeling because then
you get the like once you're done,

1999
01:59:19.279 --> 01:59:21.520
then the balls back in his court
and you get that fun sit back

2000
01:59:21.600 --> 01:59:26.119
watch them struggle thing. So no, I got nothing more respect for what

2001
01:59:26.159 --> 01:59:31.239
he's doing. He's he's right to
do it. Very thank you. I'm

2002
01:59:31.239 --> 01:59:34.319
a big boy who dressed up like
Superman today and played my Nintendo games.

2003
01:59:38.840 --> 01:59:44.039
We're both big boys. Just Adulton, I'm going to read you some emails

2004
01:59:44.039 --> 01:59:45.720
now, okay, all right,
all right, I don't know how to

2005
01:59:45.760 --> 01:59:53.560
read yet. All right, Oh
that was good. Jesus, What a

2006
01:59:53.600 --> 01:59:58.239
fucking maniac. Yeah, he's got
the thing in his uh his channel points

2007
01:59:58.279 --> 02:00:00.800
where if you spend so many points, he will text me and you can

2008
02:00:00.840 --> 02:00:04.479
tell him what to text me.
And that's where he's like, Adam Asleep

2009
02:00:04.520 --> 02:00:08.920
wants you to know that I'm streaming
Mortal Combat mythologies, and I will thank

2010
02:00:08.920 --> 02:00:13.399
you, Adam Asleep. I did
need to know that. Okay. Usually

2011
02:00:14.039 --> 02:00:18.199
this is where Mike tells you to
write to us and tell us everything you

2012
02:00:18.279 --> 02:00:23.199
want to tell us. About the
podcast, and it is my pleasure to

2013
02:00:23.239 --> 02:00:27.960
take that over and to tell you
that you can email us at any time

2014
02:00:28.479 --> 02:00:33.239
at fire Escape Cast at gmail dot
com and tell Mike all the things that

2015
02:00:33.279 --> 02:00:39.840
he's doing wrong. Specifically, Mike, he actually really does enjoy hearing your

2016
02:00:39.880 --> 02:00:45.199
feedback about him, specifically the way
he talks, yes, you know,

2017
02:00:45.319 --> 02:00:49.399
his breathing patterns, the way he
thinks about things, his opinions, and

2018
02:00:49.439 --> 02:00:53.760
the characters he does. And also
don't feel confined to email. You can

2019
02:00:53.800 --> 02:01:00.880
also like he especially likes it,
like dedicated to Reddit posts that he really

2020
02:01:00.920 --> 02:01:09.079
likes it. Shaman for his body
Yeah, yeahs back bullying, that's Mike

2021
02:01:09.119 --> 02:01:15.000
mahrty. Uh. So you can
message him directly or publicly. He will

2022
02:01:15.039 --> 02:01:17.720
love that. Now for this one. Uh, we got a couple of

2023
02:01:17.800 --> 02:01:23.199
emails and uh, if it's cool, I'm happy to read the first one.

2024
02:01:23.279 --> 02:01:30.279
Dan, Sure, it's really for
you, Okay, but I think

2025
02:01:30.279 --> 02:01:36.560
you should listen. I will love
you guys, love the podcast. Longtime

2026
02:01:36.600 --> 02:01:44.960
listener, longtime birder. I just
wanted to say the large bird Dan described

2027
02:01:45.319 --> 02:01:50.039
was very likely a pollated woodpecker,
which, while nowhere near the size of

2028
02:01:50.039 --> 02:01:55.640
a bald eagle, is a pretty
big and insane looking especially up close.

2029
02:01:56.560 --> 02:02:00.960
I just google it. It's it
looks like that. Yes, two cool

2030
02:02:00.000 --> 02:02:05.640
woodpecker things Dan might think are interesting. I love this interesting builder theory.

2031
02:02:08.039 --> 02:02:14.479
Woodpeckerffect one. They have extremely long
tongues that wrap around their skulls. They

2032
02:02:14.640 --> 02:02:17.600
use them to get bugs out of
holes they peck in the wood. So

2033
02:02:17.720 --> 02:02:21.560
not only are they pecking his house, they're also French kissing the shit out

2034
02:02:21.560 --> 02:02:28.880
of it. Yes, let's go, here, we go. That's a

2035
02:02:28.920 --> 02:02:31.000
good woodpecker fact. That's good,
it is. It's good. Good is

2036
02:02:31.000 --> 02:02:38.520
the word I would use outside your
house right now. I had to bang

2037
02:02:38.560 --> 02:02:42.960
on this wall today because yeah,
anyway, good. So they're still there.

2038
02:02:43.720 --> 02:02:46.279
Well, i'll follow up after the
email, all right. Woodpecker fact

2039
02:02:46.319 --> 02:02:54.439
two. There is an extremely rare
woodpecker called the ivory build woodpecker that orthonologists

2040
02:02:54.520 --> 02:02:58.680
are mostly positive is extinct. It's
kind of the Bigfoot of the birding world,

2041
02:02:58.680 --> 02:03:01.319
because every few years some one posts
a shitty, blurry picture and tries

2042
02:03:01.359 --> 02:03:05.640
to say it's the real thing.
It's a never ending discourse in birding.

2043
02:03:06.039 --> 02:03:11.760
The last confirmed sighting of the bird
was nineteen forty four. I've heard of

2044
02:03:12.199 --> 02:03:16.640
those weird eye things. Mary talked
about the work better than most other deterrens.

2045
02:03:16.680 --> 02:03:23.119
Oh cool. Brandon Z from New
Jersey, Thank you Brandon for the

2046
02:03:23.119 --> 02:03:26.359
bird facts. Oh. Also,
there's a ps here ps. Woodpeckers are

2047
02:03:26.359 --> 02:03:30.479
responsible for more than one hundred and
sixty million violent home invasions every second in

2048
02:03:30.520 --> 02:03:35.119
the United States. Watch out,
Dan, you say lots birds and might

2049
02:03:35.159 --> 02:03:43.039
hate woodpeckers. I love knowledge dropping
some hot woodpecker facts, Dan, what's

2050
02:03:43.039 --> 02:03:46.239
going on with your house? Okay, few things here. First of all,

2051
02:03:46.960 --> 02:03:53.000
I dig at the balloons and during
this whole process of saga since the

2052
02:03:53.039 --> 02:03:56.439
last episode, I was walking on
the side of the house and I noticed

2053
02:03:56.520 --> 02:04:01.159
the neighbor's house. They've straight up
broken through. They breached. There is

2054
02:04:01.279 --> 02:04:06.520
like large holes that a bird could
get in. And this is my nightmare.

2055
02:04:06.840 --> 02:04:10.600
I'm going to fucking wake up and
there's gonna be a nineteen inch tall

2056
02:04:10.640 --> 02:04:15.479
polated woodpecker poking my eyes out.
Yeah, just fucking licking my ear,

2057
02:04:15.800 --> 02:04:18.760
just like yeah, we'll give you
a wet willie. Yeah. So,

2058
02:04:18.960 --> 02:04:21.520
but no, they have not breached
the wall yet on ours. At some

2059
02:04:21.600 --> 02:04:25.479
point I've heard we can get like
Stuco sighting or something once it gets bad

2060
02:04:25.520 --> 02:04:27.520
and then they won't peck at that
or whatever. But it seems like our

2061
02:04:27.560 --> 02:04:31.560
neighbors get one of these things,
the gell shooter things and just go to

2062
02:04:31.600 --> 02:04:35.359
the I don't really know what I
heard them like they suck ass. Yeah,

2063
02:04:35.520 --> 02:04:38.399
I think it was. It was
just annoying them, like I'll do

2064
02:04:38.439 --> 02:04:41.560
this point like like, well,
I also don't have like a direct line

2065
02:04:41.600 --> 02:04:44.279
of sight. Our house is like
in a weird it's like on a hill

2066
02:04:44.640 --> 02:04:47.199
and I can't really like it's very
steep where I can't get on that side

2067
02:04:47.199 --> 02:04:50.520
of the house very easily, and
so I can't really see them that easily

2068
02:04:50.600 --> 02:04:54.159
unless they fly away. So it's
like we bang on the wall or I

2069
02:04:54.439 --> 02:04:56.479
yell at him from the deck.
I can see it fly away, so

2070
02:04:56.479 --> 02:04:59.840
I can't really see him for the
most part. Pecking you get at it,

2071
02:05:00.119 --> 02:05:02.840
goddamn becker. I've shaken my fist
at many woodpeckers, yes, hell

2072
02:05:02.960 --> 02:05:08.239
yeah, and so the balloons yes
uh. And I've tried, you know,

2073
02:05:08.359 --> 02:05:10.800
the milar strips, I've tried the
fake woodpecker. I've tried. And

2074
02:05:10.880 --> 02:05:13.760
then we also noticed the previous owners
had a problem too, because there's a

2075
02:05:13.760 --> 02:05:17.199
big ass fake owl attached to the
side of the house, and I didn't

2076
02:05:17.199 --> 02:05:21.279
realize they stuck a bunch of sticky
eyes like eyeballs on the walls, because

2077
02:05:21.319 --> 02:05:26.119
like that's supposed to freak out the
woodpeckers. But the balloons are are the

2078
02:05:26.119 --> 02:05:29.359
bigger version of that Mary you told
me about. I bought them while we

2079
02:05:29.359 --> 02:05:33.039
were talking last time, and I
got three big balloons and they come with

2080
02:05:33.079 --> 02:05:38.159
like tails, like milar tails,
And so it's hard because again I can't

2081
02:05:38.159 --> 02:05:41.439
get back there. It's very high
up. I couldn't get a ladder there,

2082
02:05:41.439 --> 02:05:44.920
so like I'm dangling out a window. Was half convinced I was going

2083
02:05:44.920 --> 02:05:48.359
to pull my death putting up fake
eyes to scare woodpeckers. But I was

2084
02:05:48.399 --> 02:05:53.560
able to reach out, and there
were some nails in the side of the

2085
02:05:53.560 --> 02:05:56.079
house that I was able to just
kind of like wrap them around and make

2086
02:05:56.159 --> 02:05:59.920
happen. But then we had like
a really And for the record, there

2087
02:06:00.119 --> 02:06:02.760
not been many woodpeckers. There have
not been many. There's one today.

2088
02:06:03.119 --> 02:06:05.960
But the balloons. You're saying,
since I put those, since the balloons,

2089
02:06:06.159 --> 02:06:10.159
yeah, so I mean it was
like a pretty much daily, several

2090
02:06:10.159 --> 02:06:14.920
times a day occurrence. Since the
balloons which was almost two weeks ago.

2091
02:06:14.880 --> 02:06:16.560
I'da a week and a half ago. I had one today that I had

2092
02:06:16.600 --> 02:06:20.560
to bang on this wall in the
studio. But this is significantly lower than

2093
02:06:20.760 --> 02:06:25.039
where the balloons are. So the
area, and that was the balloon area,

2094
02:06:25.159 --> 02:06:27.760
is where it was the worst.
There have not been many. We

2095
02:06:27.800 --> 02:06:30.479
hear them on the neighbor's house,
but we are not hearing it on ours

2096
02:06:30.520 --> 02:06:33.000
nearly as much. So I do
your neighbors are doing nothing. They're just

2097
02:06:33.079 --> 02:06:38.359
like cool with these giant holes.
I think she's extremely old, and I've

2098
02:06:38.399 --> 02:06:42.000
never seen her and maybe she could
be a woodpecker herself. She could be

2099
02:06:42.000 --> 02:06:45.000
a woodpecker, or the woodpeckers could
have gotten to her. So he has

2100
02:06:45.039 --> 02:06:47.680
swen her and the woodpecker in the
same room. I've met all my other

2101
02:06:47.800 --> 02:06:50.520
neighbors, I have not met the
woman right next to me that I've just

2102
02:06:50.520 --> 02:06:54.399
heard. It's extremely old, and
her younger relatives come by, see them

2103
02:06:54.399 --> 02:06:56.239
coming to go, but I never
see her, so I don't know if

2104
02:06:56.279 --> 02:07:00.279
she's in a position to scare off
the birds. But so that was Mary.

2105
02:07:00.359 --> 02:07:02.279
The short version is, yes,
I think I think we're good.

2106
02:07:02.319 --> 02:07:06.760
I think maybe it might still happen. But it's happening way less. The

2107
02:07:06.880 --> 02:07:14.640
other thing, though, is I'm
starting to notice a concerning recurring thing tied

2108
02:07:14.680 --> 02:07:17.199
to you, Mary, which I
think. I think this is you know

2109
02:07:17.239 --> 02:07:19.359
we call kishing. It is,
you know, buying a game that you

2110
02:07:19.359 --> 02:07:21.920
don't have to buy. This is
I had this thought in my head the

2111
02:07:23.000 --> 02:07:26.720
other day of the Mary Kish effect, which I think is I hope this

2112
02:07:26.760 --> 02:07:32.399
doesn't continue. But it's when you
do something or suggest something that there is

2113
02:07:32.439 --> 02:07:40.319
no possible world where you could predict
a negative outcome. The first one being

2114
02:07:40.560 --> 02:07:44.199
you filled my tap with macaroni and
cheese. I broke my finger. There's

2115
02:07:44.319 --> 02:07:50.000
no I feel I feel like I
could have predicted some bad outcomes from that.

2116
02:07:51.279 --> 02:07:57.399
Mary did nothing wrong. Yeah,
I just filled it with cheese.

2117
02:07:57.560 --> 02:08:01.560
I man, I would offend you
in court. Mary, you did the

2118
02:08:01.640 --> 02:08:03.600
right thing. You filled my tub
in that. I want to make it

2119
02:08:03.720 --> 02:08:09.279
very clear you only had the best
of intentions of everything. The fact remains

2120
02:08:09.279 --> 02:08:11.960
that there have now been a couple
of times where you've done something and a

2121
02:08:11.000 --> 02:08:18.079
weird butterfly effects has happened, and
I've gotten injured. It broke my finger,

2122
02:08:18.239 --> 02:08:20.800
which is growing back. Really fuck, I can't bend it. Straighter

2123
02:08:20.800 --> 02:08:24.800
than that. So I got to
go to the doctor tomorrow. So not

2124
02:08:24.960 --> 02:08:31.000
like a lizard who lost his tail
crooked. I guess that's probably better way.

2125
02:08:31.000 --> 02:08:33.439
I said, what's on it?
Well, no, I did,

2126
02:08:33.479 --> 02:08:37.199
but it's that's a long story.
It's going in tomorrow. I'm going in

2127
02:08:37.199 --> 02:08:39.359
tomorrow and I'm gonna see they might
have to like rebreak it. So it

2128
02:08:39.399 --> 02:08:43.520
fucking healed straight. But this one, this is not nearly as bad,

2129
02:08:43.560 --> 02:08:48.119
but it definitely made me think of
you. So we had a windy day

2130
02:08:48.520 --> 02:08:50.880
and one of the balloons flew off. One of the Woodpecker balloons flew off,

2131
02:08:50.920 --> 02:08:52.399
and I just saw it down there
and I was like, I'm just

2132
02:08:52.439 --> 02:08:54.600
sitting out in the woods, and
I was like, I'll go get it.

2133
02:08:54.680 --> 02:08:58.840
And it's the woods are it's very
natural back there, like there's just

2134
02:08:58.479 --> 02:09:03.680
it's just woods and leaves, and
you know, it's just crazy out there.

2135
02:09:03.880 --> 02:09:07.079
So no one ever goes back there. And so like I'm like navigating

2136
02:09:07.119 --> 02:09:09.119
this for the first time, trying
to like go down these hills and step

2137
02:09:09.119 --> 02:09:13.720
over these rocks and all this shit
to get to the Woodpecker balloon. And

2138
02:09:13.840 --> 02:09:15.279
I grab it. I was like, all right, got to grab a

2139
02:09:15.279 --> 02:09:18.159
couple of my large strips that I
have come off to and I'm walking back

2140
02:09:18.279 --> 02:09:24.840
and then one of my feet gets
caught in like a big stump or tree,

2141
02:09:24.880 --> 02:09:26.600
like a giant branch that had fallen, and like trying to like right

2142
02:09:26.680 --> 02:09:31.520
myself, my other foot got stuck
in another thing or a longer part of

2143
02:09:31.560 --> 02:09:35.920
the same one, and so my
feet are just completely tied up and I

2144
02:09:35.119 --> 02:09:41.680
eat shit hard. I fall face
forward, wind knocked out of me and

2145
02:09:41.800 --> 02:09:45.039
left shoulder immediately as a form,
and it's just like it felt. I

2146
02:09:45.039 --> 02:09:48.479
stood up and it was all tingly
and weird and asleep, and I was

2147
02:09:48.520 --> 02:09:50.319
like, oh God, I hope
I didn't fucking tear a rotator cup or

2148
02:09:50.319 --> 02:09:54.840
something like Jesus Christ. It felt
a little funky for a few days.

2149
02:09:54.000 --> 02:09:56.640
I think I'm fine, full ran
into motion. No pain right now or

2150
02:09:56.640 --> 02:09:58.840
anything. No need to go to
the doctor, I don't think. But

2151
02:10:00.239 --> 02:10:03.760
I did definitely have that thought of
like, I think there's I think Mary

2152
02:10:03.800 --> 02:10:07.600
has some magical ability to wear Mary
what to do next? Yeah? Yeah,

2153
02:10:07.640 --> 02:10:09.239
what should I do? And I
just yeah, give you advice and

2154
02:10:09.279 --> 02:10:13.760
my final destination. Yeah, I
know, I think that Mary is strong.

2155
02:10:13.920 --> 02:10:18.680
I'm afraid because it it's so this
Now, I'm afraid anything I say

2156
02:10:18.720 --> 02:10:20.279
will have that effect. But like
I was always the one where you were

2157
02:10:20.279 --> 02:10:22.439
like, I don't like driving because
I don't like the arm ramp, and

2158
02:10:22.439 --> 02:10:28.119
I'm like, you're gonna be fine, just keep practicing it. I'm just

2159
02:10:28.159 --> 02:10:31.560
like coaxing you into your darkest fears, just getting you ready for the worst

2160
02:10:31.600 --> 02:10:35.600
thing that will ever happen. But
nine, if you filled the time with

2161
02:10:35.640 --> 02:10:39.159
macaroni cheese and told me to put
up woodpecker, it's not the definition of

2162
02:10:39.239 --> 02:10:46.239
but nine. But you're dying.
You could not have possibly predicted these things

2163
02:10:45.880 --> 02:10:50.399
keep falling and getting hurt because of
things kind of associated with you. That's

2164
02:10:50.439 --> 02:10:56.239
a terrible superpower. Yeah, so
we'll just say that's that's two. That's

2165
02:10:56.279 --> 02:10:58.159
two now. So well, I'm
just gonna keep an eye on it.

2166
02:10:58.199 --> 02:11:01.199
Next time you give me advice.
Yeah, let me know if you get

2167
02:11:01.239 --> 02:11:05.399
severely injured, and well yeah,
no, let me know when you get

2168
02:11:05.439 --> 02:11:09.600
severely in Okay, next time,
next time? Yes, yes, okay.

2169
02:11:11.079 --> 02:11:13.840
So if you if a doctor breaks
your finger to fix it, Dan,

2170
02:11:13.960 --> 02:11:16.640
that doesn't invalidate your blake club.
That's not my fault. That's just

2171
02:11:16.640 --> 02:11:22.520
a bad doctor. Yeah, also
that it breaks again. But if you

2172
02:11:22.800 --> 02:11:26.039
if you consent to it even broken, that doesn't count. You still have

2173
02:11:26.039 --> 02:11:30.399
to play your game. That's what's
needed for this thing to heal. And

2174
02:11:30.600 --> 02:11:35.199
look, it was hurting a little
bit during Blake Love Today, Jesus Christ

2175
02:11:35.159 --> 02:11:39.119
a baby, it was hurt.
I did have the thought. I didn't

2176
02:11:39.119 --> 02:11:41.840
even say it. I was being
a big boy. I was like,

2177
02:11:41.079 --> 02:11:50.079
did you have tingles in your ease? No, it was just I can't

2178
02:11:50.079 --> 02:11:54.960
believe you almost died. I didn't. I fell in some leaves. That

2179
02:11:56.079 --> 02:12:01.000
sounds rough. They'll have a both
feet caught. That sounds like I'm holding

2180
02:12:01.079 --> 02:12:05.159
batons in my lar strips. H
ship, Why didn't you fly on the

2181
02:12:05.159 --> 02:12:07.960
balloon a clown's death. I probably
should have fallen on the balloon, But

2182
02:12:07.000 --> 02:12:11.439
it turns out when you're falling,
your brain isn't really working that well.

2183
02:12:11.079 --> 02:12:18.199
That's true, So thanks Brandy and
die balloons in my lar and falling down

2184
02:12:18.600 --> 02:12:22.000
trying to fight with a woodpen,
saying you can eat macaroni in aube.

2185
02:12:22.279 --> 02:12:26.920
You're like in the trees, like
need to lick that guy as soon as

2186
02:12:26.920 --> 02:12:31.039
he dies. We're gonna get that
tongue way up in there. I scared

2187
02:12:31.079 --> 02:12:33.680
that one way today and they just
they just perch in the tree right the

2188
02:12:33.760 --> 02:12:37.079
cat corner from from where my house
is, and I saw him and I'm

2189
02:12:37.119 --> 02:12:39.920
just looking at him. I just
kind of want to be like, man,

2190
02:12:39.920 --> 02:12:43.600
come on, yeah, black at
you. No, they just look

2191
02:12:43.640 --> 02:12:45.840
there and they wait for me to
go inside, and then they start knocking

2192
02:12:45.840 --> 02:12:52.640
again. They want my eyes.
Yeah, little juju bees right is probably

2193
02:12:52.640 --> 02:12:58.800
pretty tasty for woodpeckers. Yeah,
that's where all the real good juices are,

2194
02:12:58.560 --> 02:13:01.279
the dam juices. Yeah. I
just saw dune too. That's my

2195
02:13:01.680 --> 02:13:09.359
sandworm juice is in my eyes.
We don't have too many animals we got

2196
02:13:09.439 --> 02:13:13.239
to fight off here at our place. We just like occasional mouse that I

2197
02:13:13.399 --> 02:13:16.239
have gotten rid of. We haven't
seen once since, So we're doing good

2198
02:13:16.239 --> 02:13:18.119
over here. Who was under your
deck that one time? A bunch of

2199
02:13:18.159 --> 02:13:22.800
bees that he tried to vacuum or
something wasps And I did fight with him

2200
02:13:22.840 --> 02:13:30.560
all last summer and then we found
a like basically an industrial grade toxin dust

2201
02:13:30.960 --> 02:13:33.439
that I put under there, and
I haven't seen any ever since. It

2202
02:13:33.479 --> 02:13:37.880
worked really well night to day.
It was night and day and it was

2203
02:13:37.880 --> 02:13:41.960
like immediate, Yeah it will I
tried a whole bunch of shit Before that,

2204
02:13:41.279 --> 02:13:48.079
I spent about a whole weekend with
a shop back duct taped to where

2205
02:13:48.079 --> 02:13:50.640
they would come out, and they
would fly out and just go right in

2206
02:13:50.640 --> 02:13:52.880
the shop back. And I opened
the thing up and there was probably about

2207
02:13:54.199 --> 02:13:58.479
fifteen hundred wasps in there. Oh
and I would have waited two and a

2208
02:13:58.520 --> 02:14:01.479
half years before I throw that out
because I want to make sure they're dead.

2209
02:14:01.840 --> 02:14:03.920
Oh yeah, yeah, I waited
a very long time. I did,

2210
02:14:03.119 --> 02:14:07.600
yes, and I was like it
was like nothing happened. It was

2211
02:14:07.640 --> 02:14:11.560
like then, like two days later, there was just as many wasps outside

2212
02:14:11.560 --> 02:14:13.720
as there ever was. It's like, man, there must be so many

2213
02:14:13.800 --> 02:14:18.079
down there. Yeah, so I
think they're dead now though, So that's

2214
02:14:18.119 --> 02:14:22.880
something good for you. Yeah,
I'm happy about it. It's like fine

2215
02:14:22.880 --> 02:14:24.399
when it's like they build like the
nest that you could see and you can

2216
02:14:24.439 --> 02:14:28.720
get rid of. But when it's
underground, which apparently is where most of

2217
02:14:28.760 --> 02:14:31.119
them are, yeah, it's like
tremors. That's what I was thinking.

2218
02:14:31.319 --> 02:14:35.479
I like all the little creatures by
my house. I have a thoroughway like

2219
02:14:35.600 --> 02:14:41.039
right by my window where all the
squirrels run back and forth to different fonses.

2220
02:14:41.640 --> 02:14:43.239
I find it really cute, Like
they don't bother me at all.

2221
02:14:45.119 --> 02:14:48.159
Today it was like sunny for the
first time in days, and as I

2222
02:14:48.199 --> 02:14:52.640
walked past my window, one of
the squirrels was like on its back,

2223
02:14:52.760 --> 02:14:56.399
belly up and I was like,
hell, yeah, it's either dead or

2224
02:14:56.439 --> 02:15:00.800
it's sunbathing and it's cuter really bad. Ye see they're dead, or it's

2225
02:15:00.800 --> 02:15:05.279
having a really good time. Yeah, just delicately tap on the glass and

2226
02:15:05.319 --> 02:15:11.399
it was like the best day of
his life. I love the little creatures

2227
02:15:11.439 --> 02:15:13.680
around my house. It's really fun. The tree next to where I keep

2228
02:15:13.720 --> 02:15:18.800
my trash can, the outdoor trash
can, is completely destroying because that's where

2229
02:15:18.800 --> 02:15:20.079
the raccoons sit to get in my
trash can. I'm like, I like

2230
02:15:20.159 --> 02:15:24.840
these guys. They're great. And
I did see them in there once and

2231
02:15:24.880 --> 02:15:26.000
I just saw the eyes looking at
me and they're like, please leave me

2232
02:15:26.000 --> 02:15:28.079
alone. I'm like, yeah,
no problem. And then the other time

2233
02:15:28.119 --> 02:15:31.359
I saw him just like running on
my fence. And that's the only two

2234
02:15:31.399 --> 02:15:35.319
times I've actually seen them in person, but there's lots of evidence of them

2235
02:15:35.359 --> 02:15:37.560
otherwise. My wife loves raccoons and
she's mad because I've seen them, and

2236
02:15:37.600 --> 02:15:41.680
she's never seen them once. So
I don't see raccoons around here, right,

2237
02:15:41.720 --> 02:15:45.319
I'm surprised, I don't. Yeah, you think and stuff with those

2238
02:15:45.359 --> 02:15:50.119
woods, yeah, and peanut butter
outside. Woodpickers are going to look the

2239
02:15:50.119 --> 02:15:56.600
hell out of it. But I
do enjoy. You got to stop making

2240
02:15:56.600 --> 02:16:01.479
those sounds. The dog doesn't eat
a lot of bread, so all the

2241
02:16:01.479 --> 02:16:03.560
bread is just me whenever we get
a loaf. But a loaf is like

2242
02:16:03.600 --> 02:16:07.880
a lot for one person to eat
before it expires, and so I frequently,

2243
02:16:07.920 --> 02:16:11.279
like you know, we'll get to
like half a loaf before I need

2244
02:16:11.279 --> 02:16:13.520
to, like you know's i'd expired
a couple days ago, and I just

2245
02:16:13.560 --> 02:16:16.840
stand on the deck and I'll have
like twelve pieces of bread and I'll just

2246
02:16:16.880 --> 02:16:18.479
throw them all out like frisbees,
and I know all the like woodland creatures

2247
02:16:18.479 --> 02:16:22.600
and stuffal instance. I just it's
a thing that's a stupid joy I have

2248
02:16:22.720 --> 02:16:26.119
every time, like enjoy enjoy half
the bread a terror. It's like it's

2249
02:16:26.119 --> 02:16:30.079
a feast, yep, like Mike
Tyson feeding the pigeons. Yes, that's

2250
02:16:30.079 --> 02:16:35.319
what I think of you. Yes, yep, it's a feast. Dan.

2251
02:16:35.360 --> 02:16:39.120
Do you want to read this next? Question. Sure, yes,

2252
02:16:39.840 --> 02:16:46.440
hi. What is the definition of
pooping one's pants? Is it inherently different

2253
02:16:46.520 --> 02:16:50.479
than a shirt or trusting a fart
as it were? Does it involve a

2254
02:16:50.520 --> 02:16:54.840
full log or an emptying of bowels? Or does the smallest butt clenching whoopsie

2255
02:16:54.879 --> 02:17:00.799
count. That's Jeff from Nashville.
I always, as someone who has not

2256
02:17:00.840 --> 02:17:05.360
shipped his pants past the age of
diapers, I have always assumed, and

2257
02:17:05.360 --> 02:17:09.799
that's a bragging point. I assumed
it's a full evacuation. You are crazy.

2258
02:17:09.959 --> 02:17:16.319
You are absolutely out of your own. It's some ship came out of

2259
02:17:16.360 --> 02:17:18.680
you and is in your pants.
And you're like, it's I didn't poop

2260
02:17:18.719 --> 02:17:24.959
my pants, Guys, I have
so much more poop to go your pans.

2261
02:17:26.879 --> 02:17:33.239
It doesn't count, you, see
your honor. I have not fully

2262
02:17:33.440 --> 02:17:41.360
evacuated all of my bow It tis
but a teaspoonful. I rest my case.

2263
02:17:41.760 --> 02:17:45.239
So, Mary, are you saying
if you like farted and I felt

2264
02:17:45.280 --> 02:17:48.120
weird and you check and it's just
like the tiniest just the size of a

2265
02:17:48.159 --> 02:17:52.600
pee and just a little like brown, like no matter, no matter.

2266
02:17:52.879 --> 02:17:56.840
Is there nothing you could pick out
and throw away. But it's just there's

2267
02:17:56.879 --> 02:18:01.239
a little bit of brown on there
is that pooping your pants does matter?

2268
02:18:01.520 --> 02:18:07.319
Is of color? How many?
How many grams is brown? Oh man?

2269
02:18:07.520 --> 02:18:11.399
I decided to still haven't figured that
one out. Okay, listen,

2270
02:18:11.600 --> 02:18:15.680
there probably is a difference between skid
marks and pooping your pants, but I

2271
02:18:15.719 --> 02:18:22.399
think that's like a cleanliness issue,
that's a Paul Record issue. But I've

2272
02:18:22.520 --> 02:18:24.040
I've been sick enough where I'm like, it's like, you know, diarrhea

2273
02:18:24.159 --> 02:18:28.440
time, and I will be like
in bed and I'll be like, I

2274
02:18:28.479 --> 02:18:31.520
must have like sneezed or something,
and then I'm like, oh wait,

2275
02:18:31.559 --> 02:18:35.239
what happened? Oh I I have
released enough that it now feels awful and

2276
02:18:35.280 --> 02:18:37.760
I need to go do something with
that. And I count that as pooping

2277
02:18:37.799 --> 02:18:43.760
my pants. But it's definitely not
anywhere close to a log or evacuating my

2278
02:18:43.920 --> 02:18:48.680
bowels. It's like, no,
it's basically like an extreme shark and that

2279
02:18:48.760 --> 02:18:52.000
definitely count me to if you need
a floor Listen, I don't know because

2280
02:18:52.000 --> 02:18:56.760
I don't shit my pants, so
for I don't know how many works you

2281
02:18:56.000 --> 02:18:58.479
do shit your pants. You just
have been like I still have some in

2282
02:18:58.520 --> 02:19:03.959
there, so I really haven't since
I was a baby. You're just you've

2283
02:19:03.120 --> 02:19:09.520
just increased the bar. Probably shit
your pants all the time. With that

2284
02:19:09.600 --> 02:19:11.760
definition, DM, we need to
figure out the line. Is the line

2285
02:19:13.079 --> 02:19:16.040
enough to like change your underpants?
But I would think even the smell at

2286
02:19:16.079 --> 02:19:20.399
dot would be changing your pants.
I actually I would say a teaspoon.

2287
02:19:20.440 --> 02:19:22.120
If you have a teaspoon of ship
in your pants, you've shipped your pants.

2288
02:19:22.680 --> 02:19:26.920
I think it's I think it's probably
right, not tablespoon. Damn teaspoon

2289
02:19:28.440 --> 02:19:35.120
shit a lot, like a tiny
little bit. Yeah, I'm okay,

2290
02:19:35.520 --> 02:19:37.959
even it was like half a teaspoon. I'm like, of course you're like

2291
02:19:37.040 --> 02:19:41.799
changing. But it's like, I
think we're going for the definition of I

2292
02:19:41.040 --> 02:19:45.520
just ship my pants. I think
a teaspoon is fair. I agree.

2293
02:19:46.040 --> 02:19:48.959
Otherwise, otherwise, I think you
can't say no, it was just a

2294
02:19:48.040 --> 02:19:50.959
shark. Now I'm still gonna have
to there's things to be done about that.

2295
02:19:52.000 --> 02:19:56.879
You still can deal with it.
Yes, it is changing, yes

2296
02:19:56.959 --> 02:20:00.959
exactly, But I think you get
away with saying I didn't shit my pants,

2297
02:20:01.000 --> 02:20:03.719
it was just a shark. I
would, I guess I would.

2298
02:20:05.120 --> 02:20:07.520
I've always pictured when someone says I
ship my pants. I've always pictured a

2299
02:20:07.600 --> 02:20:13.399
full evacuation. But if I shipped
out half a teaspoon in my drawers.

2300
02:20:13.639 --> 02:20:16.040
I would say I shipped my pants, but I don't do this. I

2301
02:20:18.200 --> 02:20:22.399
full log in your pants and being
like I have not shipped my pants,

2302
02:20:22.159 --> 02:20:28.760
there's like a little bit left to
go. I get it together if I

2303
02:20:28.760 --> 02:20:35.559
don't think so this is just a
shark. There is a There was a

2304
02:20:35.600 --> 02:20:39.719
movie I saw when I was a
kid. I think it's called Hobgoblins two

2305
02:20:39.879 --> 02:20:41.760
or something whatever, whatever it was. Somebody came out to say it too

2306
02:20:41.760 --> 02:20:45.000
in the morning, right, yeah, and the monsters came out of the

2307
02:20:45.040 --> 02:20:48.479
toilet and it scared me so dad
that I was what it was, goonies,

2308
02:20:50.040 --> 02:20:54.280
no gooes, it's a poster.
Is a gooley coming out of the

2309
02:20:54.280 --> 02:20:56.360
toilet? Yes, yeah, yes, And so I saw this as a

2310
02:20:56.440 --> 02:20:58.959
kid, and it scared me enough
that I was afraid to go to the

2311
02:21:00.040 --> 02:21:03.000
toilet. So I would like,
I would like hover when I was going

2312
02:21:03.159 --> 02:21:05.920
pooh, And then I uh like, I got scared enough that I just

2313
02:21:05.000 --> 02:21:07.639
put I pulled my pants instead of
going to the bathroom and stating I was

2314
02:21:07.680 --> 02:21:13.840
probably like nine eight or nine or
something like that. Because yeah, because

2315
02:21:13.879 --> 02:21:16.120
the goolies, yeah for real,
and killer clowns matter space the clown comes

2316
02:21:16.120 --> 02:21:20.639
out of the toilet and that scared
me. You know, Yeah, it's

2317
02:21:20.639 --> 02:21:22.600
over it, but yeah, I
ship my pants over lady freaks. The

2318
02:21:22.639 --> 02:21:26.399
spider comes out of the toilet and
that freaks me out. You know.

2319
02:21:28.559 --> 02:21:31.239
Now I'm just like, I have
something's coming out of toilet. All right,

2320
02:21:31.360 --> 02:21:33.559
fuck it, whatever, I gotta
do my business. I'm getting on

2321
02:21:33.600 --> 02:21:37.719
there to fight this ship if you
want, Yeah, exactly, yeah,

2322
02:21:37.840 --> 02:21:39.760
I just had Chipotlet deal with this. You're gonna turn off the water supply

2323
02:21:39.840 --> 02:21:52.120
now we're homeowners. All the woodpeckers
in your toilet, Oh god, it's

2324
02:21:52.159 --> 02:22:01.920
like a nest of birds waiting to
be fed. That's awful. That was

2325
02:22:01.920 --> 02:22:05.959
disgusting. Thank you. Jeff from
Nashville. M h, Actually, real

2326
02:22:07.040 --> 02:22:09.760
quick before we move on past poping
our pants. Huh. When you know,

2327
02:22:11.000 --> 02:22:13.559
it's like a recurry thing. It's
a recurring thing where people talk about,

2328
02:22:13.559 --> 02:22:16.360
oh, they got really scared away, shit my pants, I pissed

2329
02:22:16.360 --> 02:22:20.200
my pants or whatever. Is that
just the saying or is there a physiological

2330
02:22:20.200 --> 02:22:22.200
thing where people do actually shit or
pisce their pants when they're scared pissed.

2331
02:22:22.239 --> 02:22:28.319
Definitely, it's that's because that's all
part of fight or flight Like yes,

2332
02:22:28.959 --> 02:22:33.000
like it's all interrelated, intermingling.
So yeah, wait a minute, is

2333
02:22:33.040 --> 02:22:37.360
this something? Because I have inappropriate
uh triggerings a fighter flight all the time

2334
02:22:37.440 --> 02:22:41.399
as someone with panic disorder, and
so I get every fighter flight symptom,

2335
02:22:41.959 --> 02:22:46.559
but I've never pissed my pants like
that. I wonder could that be tied

2336
02:22:46.559 --> 02:22:48.680
to like before I go and save
you, like a pax or something,

2337
02:22:48.719 --> 02:22:52.120
and I'm super nervous, whatever I
will need to pee like seven times?

2338
02:22:52.440 --> 02:22:56.280
Is that the fighter flight? And
like, yes, telling me to a

2339
02:22:56.319 --> 02:23:00.520
bunch. The fighter flight response is
a reaction that can cause people to urinate

2340
02:23:00.920 --> 02:23:03.840
more frequently. So even if it's
not in my pants, if I just

2341
02:23:03.879 --> 02:23:07.280
had like I will literally pee and
then go back till like getting ready to

2342
02:23:07.319 --> 02:23:11.920
go on stage again. Right,
So the body is stressed, it releases

2343
02:23:11.959 --> 02:23:15.559
hormones that disrupt the hormones that keep
the bladder relaxed. That would explain it,

2344
02:23:15.559 --> 02:23:18.760
because I've gone to doctors. I
have big It's like I feel like

2345
02:23:18.760 --> 02:23:20.920
I have way over active platter.
I've gotten checked and all that stuff,

2346
02:23:20.920 --> 02:23:24.680
and like that would kind of make
su wouldn't it. Yep, Absolutely,

2347
02:23:24.799 --> 02:23:31.520
I think that's exactly what's happening.
There. We just diagnosed something. Yeah,

2348
02:23:31.719 --> 02:23:33.399
oh man, I guess seems a
better pissed doctor Dan. I think

2349
02:23:33.520 --> 02:23:37.879
I wonder I get a doctor Steff
for that. For Superman, I'm gonna

2350
02:23:37.879 --> 02:23:43.799
piss my pants. He pee peace
too much? What? No seeing some

2351
02:23:43.840 --> 02:23:50.159
Superman themed diapers basically wearing that anyway, I didn't. I didn't tend to

2352
02:23:50.159 --> 02:23:54.520
ask Dan talking about this suit.
I don't have Superman. I don't know

2353
02:23:54.559 --> 02:24:03.000
about all your weird fetishes. I
have no Actually, probably look you,

2354
02:24:03.799 --> 02:24:07.639
is the suit comfortable like I was? Like? I wanted it to be

2355
02:24:07.680 --> 02:24:09.559
a little uncomfortable, but not so
much that like you're like, actually,

2356
02:24:09.639 --> 02:24:13.639
legit upset during the thing has to
feel it's a little bit hotter than I

2357
02:24:13.639 --> 02:24:20.920
would like. Wow, it's hard
to pee and I get uh. The

2358
02:24:20.920 --> 02:24:24.120
worst part is, honestly probably the
wig with the headphones, because if I

2359
02:24:24.120 --> 02:24:28.719
try to tuck it all behind the
headphones and just have bear headphones on barriers,

2360
02:24:28.079 --> 02:24:31.280
it looks all weird. And but
if I put it over the hair

2361
02:24:31.360 --> 02:24:33.879
like I did today. I was
telling Marry right before you hopped on the

2362
02:24:33.879 --> 02:24:37.440
call. If I'm wearing my cardigan
and I have headphones on, and I

2363
02:24:37.520 --> 02:24:41.559
take it off and throw it on
the thing like I just did before you

2364
02:24:41.600 --> 02:24:45.920
came in a bunch of fucking electric
static, like Christy goes into my fucking

2365
02:24:45.959 --> 02:24:50.319
ears from my headphones. So I
kind of had that with the hair,

2366
02:24:50.559 --> 02:24:52.280
like the hair and the headphones and
stuff. I kind of feel like I'm

2367
02:24:52.280 --> 02:24:56.200
feeling a little shocked and just like
an electricity that. I think it just

2368
02:24:56.239 --> 02:24:58.959
adds to the you know, it's
the method acting part of it. Sure,

2369
02:25:00.120 --> 02:25:01.280
absolutely, Okay, Well, I'm
glad. I was like trying to

2370
02:25:01.280 --> 02:25:05.040
figure out the size and said,
you want to one with abs, so

2371
02:25:05.040 --> 02:25:07.360
I'm like, no way, you
got to wear like the old style one.

2372
02:25:07.840 --> 02:25:09.159
And you did good. That's mostly
okay, you did good, you

2373
02:25:09.200 --> 02:25:11.120
did good. Okay, I'm ahad. I'm glad it worked out great.

2374
02:25:11.159 --> 02:25:15.200
And again I was like a little
uncomfortable, but not so uncomfortable, So

2375
02:25:15.200 --> 02:25:18.040
I'm glad we've struck balance. Yeah, yeah, good, good, good

2376
02:25:18.040 --> 02:25:30.040
good. We got one more email
today from Mike and is this not just

2377
02:25:30.120 --> 02:25:33.799
any mic? Is this I think
is just any Mike talking about our mic?

2378
02:25:33.239 --> 02:25:39.879
Okay, understood, all right?
Cool. The thing Maharty has,

2379
02:25:39.159 --> 02:25:46.200
oh okay, the thing Maharty has
that is like a Disney adult is that

2380
02:25:46.239 --> 02:25:50.920
he's short. Old World is like
a theme park to the little guy.

2381
02:25:50.440 --> 02:25:54.680
Oh my god. He doesn't need
to seek out anything to make him feel

2382
02:25:54.680 --> 02:26:00.440
like a child, because being a
normal size adult is enough. I can't

2383
02:26:00.479 --> 02:26:05.639
wait to see how tall his hair
is next to next time, Short Kings,

2384
02:26:05.079 --> 02:26:11.840
Long May they reign nothing but love
Mike. That is dastardly. Okay,

2385
02:26:13.559 --> 02:26:18.639
is there like something he's not that
he's short? Two three? Okay?

2386
02:26:18.719 --> 02:26:22.959
Well, okay, so pretty much
average? Yeah? Yeah, I

2387
02:26:22.000 --> 02:26:24.840
don't think he's self conscious about his
height, like I've never like, he's

2388
02:26:24.840 --> 02:26:30.360
always been very open with us,
and I don't feel like I've ever heard

2389
02:26:30.440 --> 02:26:35.319
him concerned about his height or self
conscious. But how dare you choose this

2390
02:26:35.399 --> 02:26:41.159
email when he's not here to defend
himself? Literally, it was two minutes

2391
02:26:41.200 --> 02:26:45.000
before we started a thing, and
I'm just looking for any I'm just copying

2392
02:26:45.079 --> 02:26:50.600
pastings. So that was the third
one I saw. We should hold this

2393
02:26:50.879 --> 02:26:54.360
for Mike's return, and Mike deserves
to retort to this. Okay, but

2394
02:26:54.639 --> 02:26:58.000
there is something different when like,
you know, the fancy sailboat boy's short

2395
02:26:58.000 --> 02:27:01.600
though, right, that's like something
yeah, yeah, horse shot, Yeah

2396
02:27:01.639 --> 02:27:05.719
exactly. It's like, let's just
fits. Yeah, my tininess is a

2397
02:27:05.840 --> 02:27:11.479
value in that situation. You can't
have, like, you know, a

2398
02:27:11.559 --> 02:27:15.120
big bulky guy on a horse,
like he might be strong with the horses,

2399
02:27:15.159 --> 02:27:18.479
Like what the fuck? Like I
can't run under these conditions. This

2400
02:27:18.520 --> 02:27:24.000
guy's two hundred and sixty pounds.
I'm trying to I only met him once

2401
02:27:24.040 --> 02:27:26.840
and he was in a Donkey Kong
costume, so I'm not sure if I'm

2402
02:27:26.840 --> 02:27:31.200
gonna be able to realize how tall
he is. Great, and that's excellent,

2403
02:27:31.280 --> 02:27:33.959
that's her. Yep, that's what
I re memory of them. Yep,

2404
02:27:33.040 --> 02:27:37.000
all right, hate him Me and
a wolf packsting makeup in him right

2405
02:27:37.000 --> 02:27:39.719
next to me in a Donkey Kong
costume. Beautiful, perfect yep. Okay,

2406
02:27:39.719 --> 02:27:41.760
then here we'll save that for Mike, and I'm gonna sub in.

2407
02:27:41.879 --> 02:27:45.920
I just looked here. We got
a quick one from Wes. It is

2408
02:27:46.000 --> 02:27:50.000
hello, what is the first CD
or album you purchase for yourself with your

2409
02:27:50.040 --> 02:27:54.680
own money? That's West from Baltimore. I do remember mine. It was

2410
02:27:54.719 --> 02:28:01.280
a garage inc by Metallica, which
I really still enjoy actually Discovery. Yeah,

2411
02:28:01.440 --> 02:28:05.760
they turned the page and Tuesday's gone
and good stuff whiskey and a jar

2412
02:28:05.120 --> 02:28:09.680
like actually one of my favorite versions, Whiskey in a Jar, Like they

2413
02:28:09.079 --> 02:28:11.879
did a really good job of those
covers. It is it is yeah,

2414
02:28:11.920 --> 02:28:13.840
with your own ones. So you
bought that with your own money, But

2415
02:28:15.000 --> 02:28:20.079
that was my own money. I
was my not girlfriend, but a lady

2416
02:28:20.159 --> 02:28:22.079
who was a friend. We were
in like middle score, high school or

2417
02:28:22.079 --> 02:28:26.200
something, that her mom took us
to the mall and I had some money

2418
02:28:26.200 --> 02:28:28.520
and I bought that CD. I
don't know, and I made him play

2419
02:28:28.520 --> 02:28:31.399
it on the way home that he
truly has their own money at that age,

2420
02:28:31.479 --> 02:28:35.319
right, Like I think I got
five dollars from my parents that I

2421
02:28:35.360 --> 02:28:39.159
could choose to do anything I wanted, and I still chose to buy Spice

2422
02:28:39.200 --> 02:28:43.440
Girls. Hell Yeahla World. Oh
oh yeah? The single? Was it

2423
02:28:43.440 --> 02:28:46.040
like because you could buy the singles? Like, oh, singles were all

2424
02:28:46.079 --> 02:28:50.200
the rage back then. My friend, was it a single CD? Or

2425
02:28:50.239 --> 02:28:54.559
were you old not for cassettes?
It was a single CD? Okay,

2426
02:28:54.399 --> 02:28:58.719
I was a CD. I had. The first ones I owned were cassettes.

2427
02:28:58.760 --> 02:29:01.639
I remember having Get a Grip the
Aerosmith, which is like living on

2428
02:29:01.639 --> 02:29:05.079
the edge and crying and all that, And then I had a BC Boys

2429
02:29:05.120 --> 02:29:11.559
Intergalactic on cassette. Uh first CD. I remember buying. I got a

2430
02:29:11.600 --> 02:29:15.639
Segacy D and I remember being so
excited about like, oh my god,

2431
02:29:15.719 --> 02:29:20.520
new CD technology. And I think
I bought Jagged Little Pill by Alanis Morissett.

2432
02:29:20.959 --> 02:29:22.040
Oh wow, yeah that would have
been the time. Jesus man,

2433
02:29:22.559 --> 02:29:28.399
that's the one. Yeah, most
nineteen ninety three thing you could have done.

2434
02:29:28.520 --> 02:29:30.799
Yeah, I'm gonna come home with
a Segacy D. W do you

2435
02:29:30.879 --> 02:29:37.120
have Rage in the Cage and Jagged
Little Pill? Jesus time stamp? What

2436
02:29:37.239 --> 02:29:46.920
an era? What an era?
That was? It was better? Oh

2437
02:29:46.040 --> 02:29:52.680
man, Yeah, that's a good
one. All sweet nostalgia. Yes,

2438
02:29:54.200 --> 02:29:58.280
how are you all feeling about nostalgia
these days? Because I'm like more and

2439
02:29:58.399 --> 02:30:01.920
more willing to be like the things
that I liked this kid that I got

2440
02:30:01.959 --> 02:30:03.639
over for a very long time.
I'm like listening to some of that music

2441
02:30:03.680 --> 02:30:07.120
again. I'm trying to think of
a good example. But it's just like

2442
02:30:07.520 --> 02:30:11.399
in general, I'm being much easier
on those things and not being like so

2443
02:30:11.520 --> 02:30:16.799
self critical anymore. I I saw, you know, I'm pretty good about

2444
02:30:16.799 --> 02:30:20.000
not comments or chat stuff, you
know, getting to me or anything.

2445
02:30:20.079 --> 02:30:22.799
These days. I saw something and
this was it got to me in an

2446
02:30:22.799 --> 02:30:24.120
interesting way. Nobody was trying to
be shitty or anything. It was just

2447
02:30:24.120 --> 02:30:28.200
like a laser beam into like,
oh, you nailed me with us.

2448
02:30:28.200 --> 02:30:31.079
It was piston hunta you may have
seen in Giant Bomb chats persons in my

2449
02:30:31.159 --> 02:30:33.600
chats a lot. And I think
I was just doing one of my late

2450
02:30:33.680 --> 02:30:37.040
night just you know, you know, talking playing games, and I was

2451
02:30:37.040 --> 02:30:39.920
talking about my dad and like,
oh man, it's just been the same

2452
02:30:39.959 --> 02:30:43.920
thing for so long. The guy's
such a routine, doesn't change, just

2453
02:30:43.920 --> 02:30:46.239
like it's just the exact same guy
he was thirty years ago and refuses to

2454
02:30:46.239 --> 02:30:48.799
try anything new. But you know, it was just kind of like,

2455
02:30:48.840 --> 02:30:52.280
you know, going off that stuff. I just just said, like,

2456
02:30:52.840 --> 02:30:56.120
ah, yes, I can't believe
my dad just keeps doing the same stuff

2457
02:30:56.120 --> 02:30:58.719
over and over again. Now let
me stream this old Mario game for the

2458
02:30:58.760 --> 02:31:03.120
eight one hundred time and talk about
wrestling from nineteen ninety six, Like,

2459
02:31:03.319 --> 02:31:07.280
oh, no, you're right,
it's just it takes a different form,

2460
02:31:07.360 --> 02:31:13.920
but it's like, I am,
we are the same. It is very

2461
02:31:15.239 --> 02:31:20.879
horrifying when when it manifests as I
am having the exact same mannerisms as my

2462
02:31:22.000 --> 02:31:26.040
parents with my kids that's frustrating because
that's like, oh man, that this

2463
02:31:26.159 --> 02:31:30.000
half the reason I remember this stuff
is because it either was like bad or

2464
02:31:30.079 --> 02:31:33.000
I didn't like love it, or
or it was like scary at the time

2465
02:31:33.079 --> 02:31:35.120
or something like that. I find
myself doing I'm like, okay, okay,

2466
02:31:35.159 --> 02:31:37.079
take a breath. I got to
stop doing that. So yeah,

2467
02:31:37.120 --> 02:31:41.280
that it's it really is true,
like we are just those people again and

2468
02:31:41.520 --> 02:31:46.079
slightly different variations. I feel like
there are certain things, like certain behaviors

2469
02:31:46.120 --> 02:31:48.959
and stuff that you would like,
like like, you know, friends,

2470
02:31:50.000 --> 02:31:52.639
I've talked about my dad, like
you know, any music past nineteen seventy

2471
02:31:52.680 --> 02:31:54.719
eight of Hey Dad, tell me
does Rage against the Machine and smashing puplicing

2472
02:31:54.719 --> 02:31:58.559
seems great. It's like, well, it's technically music, but it's not

2473
02:31:58.840 --> 02:32:01.520
technically music but only played because they
play guitars. They're not like real songs.

2474
02:32:01.559 --> 02:32:03.120
They're not musicians, they're not you
know, like it's not real Mario,

2475
02:32:03.319 --> 02:32:11.120
Yeah, exactly. Oh fuck,
you're right, Dan, No,

2476
02:32:11.799 --> 02:32:16.079
oh you're talking about a soldier.
Yeah ever Electronic gaming Way, that was

2477
02:32:16.120 --> 02:32:20.680
a good magazine. I'm not trying
to do you like that, Dan,

2478
02:32:22.000 --> 02:32:24.959
but yeah, but I'm working right, Yes, listen, I will say

2479
02:32:26.000 --> 02:32:30.559
that is Hey, no, this
is true. The thing I like doing

2480
02:32:30.559 --> 02:32:33.959
stuff with you and I like doing
something with Mike Madottie because you guys are

2481
02:32:33.959 --> 02:32:35.879
both guys that always seem like you're
working on yourselves and try to make yourselves

2482
02:32:35.879 --> 02:32:39.760
better. And that's like I can
these days. I can only be around

2483
02:32:39.799 --> 02:32:41.319
people who are like that. So
yeah, no, for real, you're

2484
02:32:41.319 --> 02:32:45.879
working. It's good. I've meant
working in the wrestling sense. Hey,

2485
02:32:45.920 --> 02:32:48.040
okay, well that's too. Yes, yeah, he's a really sweet thing.

2486
02:32:48.040 --> 02:32:50.760
And I was like, oh no, he didn't realize I was doing

2487
02:32:52.479 --> 02:32:56.799
should that should have been? It
was wrestling, of course, it's always

2488
02:32:56.840 --> 02:33:00.479
wrestling. You are right, you
are right. I am alway started to

2489
02:33:00.479 --> 02:33:03.319
work on myself and I feel like
we all are. I feel yeah yeah,

2490
02:33:03.399 --> 02:33:09.200
yeah definitely. But nostalgia right,
oh yeah that good stuff. Yeah,

2491
02:33:09.559 --> 02:33:13.319
cut it up and give it to
me. Is there is there anything

2492
02:33:13.360 --> 02:33:16.920
bad? Bad's too strong of a
word. But it's like I played Super

2493
02:33:16.959 --> 02:33:22.319
Mario World so many fucking times.
I played all these old Superintendent in any

2494
02:33:22.319 --> 02:33:24.680
of its games a billion times on
stream, offstream. You know, Oh

2495
02:33:24.760 --> 02:33:26.360
I get a new thing, I
get a mister, I get whatever.

2496
02:33:26.360 --> 02:33:28.120
Oh I'll play Mario World on this, you know, and then it's like

2497
02:33:28.120 --> 02:33:31.959
like, now I did retro achievements
for the first time. I made an

2498
02:33:31.959 --> 02:33:33.879
account and I tied it to my
retro arc and it's just like, oh

2499
02:33:33.879 --> 02:33:37.399
man, now I can play Mario
World with achievements, and now I just

2500
02:33:37.440 --> 02:33:39.840
have another excuse to play Mario World
or Linked the Past or whatever. Is

2501
02:33:39.879 --> 02:33:45.360
this just forever? Is this just
like whatevery excuse to just like play through

2502
02:33:45.360 --> 02:33:46.879
these things you played when you were
nine years old? Forever? I mean,

2503
02:33:46.920 --> 02:33:50.239
what's what's the alternative that the things
that once brought you joy no longer

2504
02:33:50.280 --> 02:33:54.079
bring you joy? That's great,
so much worse. That is great,

2505
02:33:54.120 --> 02:33:56.559
so much worse. That's like the
definition of depression, like for real it

2506
02:33:56.639 --> 02:34:00.600
is. It's like, it's so
much better to be like, no,

2507
02:34:00.760 --> 02:34:03.280
I listen, if once brought me
joy, I can find new ways for

2508
02:34:03.319 --> 02:34:07.440
it to bring me joy. That
is me like having engaging with myself and

2509
02:34:07.680 --> 02:34:11.120
stuff. And obviously there is a
line on each side where it's like it

2510
02:34:11.159 --> 02:34:16.000
becomes unhealthy, But I don't think
in general this stuff is completely harmless.

2511
02:34:15.840 --> 02:34:18.879
It's interesting how how much that varies
with people, though, because like you

2512
02:34:18.879 --> 02:34:22.159
know, I talked to Bianca about
like, you know, she has such

2513
02:34:22.280 --> 02:34:24.520
funness for you know, you get
her going on in Sky's Arcadia or Morowind

2514
02:34:24.600 --> 02:34:26.760
or any of these games she grew
up playing, and she'll you know,

2515
02:34:28.000 --> 02:34:31.399
she clearly has a lot of nostalgia
and love for it, but with few

2516
02:34:31.440 --> 02:34:35.639
exceptions, she doesn't really like go
back and play them a bunch. She

2517
02:34:35.760 --> 02:34:39.360
is just always playing the next thing, you know, she is always like

2518
02:34:39.600 --> 02:34:41.639
she is all over every new game
that comes out for the most part,

2519
02:34:41.879 --> 02:34:46.520
and I play the new stuff.
But like I think nowadays, I'm more

2520
02:34:46.520 --> 02:34:50.280
prone to, like, if something
doesn't seem like it's for me or something,

2521
02:34:50.719 --> 02:34:52.079
I'm not going to play it.
And I will go back and I'll

2522
02:34:52.079 --> 02:34:56.079
play a link in the past again
and I'll find the occasional hell divers or

2523
02:34:56.120 --> 02:34:58.920
something that grabs me and I will
spend some time with that. But like

2524
02:35:00.200 --> 02:35:03.079
I do play the old stuff a
ton still, So like I guess it's

2525
02:35:03.079 --> 02:35:05.120
just a matter of personal preference,
right, Like definitely, yeah, yes,

2526
02:35:07.120 --> 02:35:09.399
And it's uh uh, you know, everybody need to you know,

2527
02:35:09.479 --> 02:35:13.520
takes different things that they need from
these things in different ways. So yeah,

2528
02:35:13.639 --> 02:35:16.239
I think if again, as long
as you're mostly doing it in a

2529
02:35:16.239 --> 02:35:18.200
healthy way, and it sounds like, you know, adding retro achievements to

2530
02:35:18.239 --> 02:35:22.520
it, like having a fun new
way to experience these games sounds like only

2531
02:35:22.520 --> 02:35:24.600
a good thing, genuine fun.
It's just like those games. I still

2532
02:35:24.600 --> 02:35:26.440
every time I load at Mario World, I'm like, fuck, yes,

2533
02:35:26.479 --> 02:35:30.079
Mario World, you know, yep. A load of the Arcy pro Am

2534
02:35:30.159 --> 02:35:31.680
yesterday and I was like, yes, Arci pro Am, like Arci pro

2535
02:35:31.719 --> 02:35:35.399
Am, yep. It's a lot
of times it's like games I would like

2536
02:35:35.440 --> 02:35:39.879
think about more than that would play
even back then, and then like to

2537
02:35:39.920 --> 02:35:41.280
go back with like new eyes and
be like, oh, there's so much

2538
02:35:41.280 --> 02:35:43.799
cool stuff here, Like Arcy prom
has a ton of cool stuff happening in

2539
02:35:43.799 --> 02:35:48.200
it. So yeah, yeah,
I definitely enjoy that. So thumbs up

2540
02:35:48.200 --> 02:35:52.760
on nostalgia. Yes, we are
pro nostalgia. Like give us a like

2541
02:35:52.799 --> 02:35:56.959
it, like a yeah, it's
okay that you're like addicted to the same

2542
02:35:58.600 --> 02:36:01.760
games. It's all right. I
still just find them all very fun.

2543
02:36:03.319 --> 02:36:07.959
That's fine. We're not your therapist. I feel really good about you enjoying

2544
02:36:07.000 --> 02:36:11.200
those childhood games and finding new ways
to enjoy them. Oh, we did

2545
02:36:11.200 --> 02:36:16.159
a fucking punch out series recently,
that's really fun. Yeah, punch out

2546
02:36:16.200 --> 02:36:22.879
real good. Yes. Yeah.
I adored playing through any of my old

2547
02:36:22.959 --> 02:36:28.200
like Childhood, Lion King, Aladdin, Sega, Genesis games, and I

2548
02:36:28.239 --> 02:36:33.200
still do it from time to time
as like a charity bonus or benefit.

2549
02:36:33.399 --> 02:36:35.399
Right, it's like, oh,
these games, they are my joy as

2550
02:36:35.399 --> 02:36:39.639
a child. I will always play
them. But what I've also find interesting

2551
02:36:39.719 --> 02:36:43.399
is like when I play games that
is somebody else's joy when they played it

2552
02:36:43.440 --> 02:36:46.239
as a child, and then I
get to watch it vicariously through their eyes.

2553
02:36:46.319 --> 02:36:52.360
Because I was not like super into
Resident Evil growing up, but watching

2554
02:36:52.440 --> 02:36:56.680
Mike's reaction when I was playing them
was like, oh, this is like

2555
02:36:56.680 --> 02:37:00.840
a really special moment. It's just
like that's cool, Like it's different to

2556
02:37:00.920 --> 02:37:03.000
him than it is to me,
but it's special to both of us.

2557
02:37:03.040 --> 02:37:05.920
Now there's something to that when when
it clicks to where it's like, you

2558
02:37:05.920 --> 02:37:07.159
know, all these years later,
when there's still something to that game.

2559
02:37:07.200 --> 02:37:11.319
I definitely had that with Rough Scanlan
with Metal Year Solid and just like seeing

2560
02:37:11.360 --> 02:37:15.079
him like these revelations from Sons of
Liberty that was twenty years old at the

2561
02:37:15.079 --> 02:37:16.639
time or whatever, you know,
it's it's, uh, that is cool

2562
02:37:16.639 --> 02:37:22.159
to see old game pretty cool.
Yeah, it's uh. And then having

2563
02:37:22.159 --> 02:37:24.200
the kids, it's a you know, I'm not not forcing anything on them.

2564
02:37:24.200 --> 02:37:28.120
Like the one kid like was into
games no longer into games. Sometimes

2565
02:37:28.120 --> 02:37:30.600
she's like, oh, i'll play
this here and there. That's fine.

2566
02:37:30.639 --> 02:37:31.959
But like, you know, when
when one of them does like something I

2567
02:37:33.079 --> 02:37:35.239
like, it does feel good,
and that have them have like similar revelations,

2568
02:37:35.239 --> 02:37:37.879
which is like, oh man,
I'm figuring out how to get through

2569
02:37:37.879 --> 02:37:41.200
this boss and actually completing it,
and it's it's really fantastic to watch.

2570
02:37:41.920 --> 02:37:46.159
Absolutely, it's it's I like it
a lot. Yeah, you can tell

2571
02:37:46.200 --> 02:37:48.719
it's a good idea that I didn't
have kids young. I mean I probably

2572
02:37:48.920 --> 02:37:52.360
don't. I shouldn't have kids at
any age, but specifically when I was

2573
02:37:52.399 --> 02:37:54.799
young, because I bet if you
would I know, if you asked me

2574
02:37:54.840 --> 02:37:58.159
when I was in college like early
twenties, I probably told many friends this

2575
02:37:58.239 --> 02:38:01.799
that like whack, I thought I
was gonna have kids, Like all right,

2576
02:38:01.840 --> 02:38:03.479
it's gonna be awesome my kids into
video games. But like, I'm

2577
02:38:03.479 --> 02:38:07.159
gonna make sure once they're old enough
to play, I'm gonna get them an

2578
02:38:07.200 --> 02:38:09.840
neys. You know, I'm gonna
start out and once they beat the three

2579
02:38:09.840 --> 02:38:13.440
Marios and the Mega Man's and they
beat this and that and Zelda and everything.

2580
02:38:13.600 --> 02:38:16.399
Then they get a Sega and then
once they beat the Sonics and they'd

2581
02:38:16.440 --> 02:38:18.719
be this, then they get a
super then they gotta beat this and they

2582
02:38:18.719 --> 02:38:20.799
gotta go to the PlayStation like they're
gonna have an appreciation of all. And

2583
02:38:20.840 --> 02:38:24.840
then like I realized, as I
always say, oh, that's my dad,

2584
02:38:24.959 --> 02:38:26.879
that's just like you know, yes, yeah, And the truth is

2585
02:38:26.959 --> 02:38:30.680
is like you know, the the
kids are either gonna cary about that stuff

2586
02:38:30.719 --> 02:38:33.319
or not. And like Addie,
she make them, Yeah, they might

2587
02:38:33.360 --> 02:38:35.959
be like super into outdoor stuff and
not give a shit about you know,

2588
02:38:37.200 --> 02:38:41.799
games. Yeah, Adie likes games, and she'll she'll open up Nintendo Switch

2589
02:38:41.840 --> 02:38:43.520
online and look and play those old
games all the time. That's awesome.

2590
02:38:43.559 --> 02:38:48.040
So I never prompt her. I
never show it to her. She's just

2591
02:38:48.079 --> 02:38:50.559
like finding it on her own.
She's like, when I'm working, that's

2592
02:38:50.559 --> 02:38:52.159
what she's doing over here, and
she'll go through that stuff and then play

2593
02:38:52.200 --> 02:38:54.959
those old games and she kind of
doesn't really see a difference between any of

2594
02:38:56.000 --> 02:38:58.040
them. Now she's she's five,
but it's like, you know, that's

2595
02:38:58.120 --> 02:39:01.040
I think that's probably just because for
her, it's like it is all video

2596
02:39:01.079 --> 02:39:05.319
games and I and then there are
typically gonna be other kids like no,

2597
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that looks old. I hate it, and that's you can't change that.

2598
02:39:07.799 --> 02:39:13.239
Today I was streaming Superman and Backlar
put his son on and the first thing

2599
02:39:13.319 --> 02:39:16.680
his son says, why does it
look all pixel y? Yeah, granted

2600
02:39:16.799 --> 02:39:20.639
it's like Superman six forere I'm not
going to depend it, but like you

2601
02:39:20.680 --> 02:39:24.520
know, wutch of shit as I
give his kid deserve and shit, like

2602
02:39:24.920 --> 02:39:26.959
he has a right to be like
to look, if you're a kid and

2603
02:39:28.000 --> 02:39:30.959
you see that, it's like,
why is this called PIXELI I feel like

2604
02:39:31.200 --> 02:39:35.079
it's a totally normal reaction to have
if you're a fucking nine year old seeing

2605
02:39:35.079 --> 02:39:37.719
an old ass game for the first
time. Yeah, but if a grown

2606
02:39:37.760 --> 02:39:39.239
band says that about a game that
just came out because it's like an indie

2607
02:39:39.280 --> 02:39:41.479
game, I do want to fight
them now, to be fair. So

2608
02:39:41.760 --> 02:39:48.959
that's the stupid thing. Yeah,
yeah, all right, that's an email

2609
02:39:48.040 --> 02:39:52.520
section. Yeah, well done.
Yes, we've learned a lot here,

2610
02:39:52.760 --> 02:40:00.760
mostly that Dan doesn't know how much
poop is pooping. Your pain Man set

2611
02:40:01.920 --> 02:40:07.280
full evacuation is insane. No,
just go back real quick again, I

2612
02:40:07.399 --> 02:40:11.239
pictured full evacuation. But if you
asked me if a teaspoon poop in your

2613
02:40:11.280 --> 02:40:13.600
pants is poop in your pants,
I would agree. Okay, so we're

2614
02:40:13.639 --> 02:40:16.479
all in agreement. I think we're
in agreement. A teaspoon is shipping your

2615
02:40:16.479 --> 02:40:20.000
pants. Yes, okay, there
you go. Put it on the back

2616
02:40:20.040 --> 02:40:26.879
of the box. Next time I
see a teaspoon, I'm going to be

2617
02:40:26.920 --> 02:40:31.840
thinking about this and that's not great, exactly the right amount making a grenadine

2618
02:40:31.840 --> 02:40:41.840
into something pants full of grie.
Change my app to say that, what

2619
02:40:41.879 --> 02:40:46.559
does Mike do now? After the
after the emails, we tells everybody to

2620
02:40:46.760 --> 02:40:50.600
buy our merch. You can go
to fire Escape cast dot com and you

2621
02:40:50.639 --> 02:40:56.600
can also check out our socials and
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2622
02:40:56.639 --> 02:41:00.799
go to our patreon. If you
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2623
02:41:00.840 --> 02:41:03.799
of really awesome tiers. One of
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2624
02:41:03.920 --> 02:41:09.079
and it includes all of the bonus
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2625
02:41:09.200 --> 02:41:13.079
hell Diverse two bonus video that was
pretty recent, so you can enjoy.

2626
02:41:13.239 --> 02:41:16.559
But there's a lot of content,
including the Macaroni and Cheese bathtub, lots

2627
02:41:16.559 --> 02:41:20.719
of stuff on there, so it's
worth it's worth it just to get all

2628
02:41:20.760 --> 02:41:26.280
that sick sick content. We also
plug what everybody's up to. I got

2629
02:41:26.280 --> 02:41:28.600
to start with our incredible guest Grub. Thank you so much for taking the

2630
02:41:28.600 --> 02:41:33.280
time to be here. Please tell
everybody where everyone can find you. Yeah.

2631
02:41:33.280 --> 02:41:35.760
First of we'll say, you guys
did a great job, so you

2632
02:41:35.799 --> 02:41:37.479
don't need Daddy here to get you
through it. You guys can handle this

2633
02:41:37.520 --> 02:41:43.399
podcast on your own. Okay,
absolutely, yeah, John Bomb obviously,

2634
02:41:43.479 --> 02:41:46.680
game Mess if you want to hang
out with us, we got Discord,

2635
02:41:46.920 --> 02:41:50.200
Discord dot gg slash. Game Mess
will get you in there. Lots of

2636
02:41:50.200 --> 02:41:52.440
cool people hang out there all the
time. It's free to join, Feel

2637
02:41:52.440 --> 02:41:56.280
free to hop in there. And
then yeah, just to check out the

2638
02:41:56.319 --> 02:41:58.319
podcast thro wherever you listen to the
podcast last and than the ten Dogs in

2639
02:41:58.360 --> 02:42:03.479
game mes aside, Hell yes,
and yeah, check out that uh that

2640
02:42:03.559 --> 02:42:07.120
hell Divers video we put up on
the Patreon. We got Mike Manatti on

2641
02:42:07.159 --> 02:42:09.440
that. He joined. Uh,
Mary, I think you were out that

2642
02:42:09.479 --> 02:42:11.079
week. So it's me Manati Mahardi. Oh yeah, that was the one

2643
02:42:11.079 --> 02:42:16.280
who Manati Mahardi became like best friends
and uh and Jake Decker so fun video.

2644
02:42:16.399 --> 02:42:22.319
Check it out on the Patreon Very
funny the minds. Yes, yes,

2645
02:42:22.559 --> 02:42:28.719
that's my move. All right,
Well that's it. That's our podcast.

2646
02:42:28.799 --> 02:42:31.520
I don't know how to end this
without Mike. Without Mike here,

2647
02:42:31.040 --> 02:42:35.360
there's some kind of usual ending that
he likes to do where he's always like

2648
02:42:35.479 --> 02:42:41.399
thanks for watching everybody, and you
know, like we'll always love you.

2649
02:42:41.559 --> 02:42:43.440
I'm usually a bunch of drinks deep
by that point, I don't and then

2650
02:42:43.440 --> 02:42:46.680
I can just like I said,
my things, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2651
02:42:46.920 --> 02:42:52.079
He always carries it. He just
bottoms up or something. Cheers quote

2652
02:42:52.120 --> 02:42:56.559
headline, isn't it Qualt Walt Whitman. Let me look up Walt Whitman.

2653
02:42:56.719 --> 02:43:01.760
Quote. Okay, flowers and I
always say me, Mike Maharty, thank

2654
02:43:01.799 --> 02:43:05.319
you for watching the fire Escape Cast. And keep your face always toward the

2655
02:43:05.319 --> 02:43:09.719
sunshine and the shadows will fall behind
you. That's what we say. You're

2656
02:43:09.719 --> 02:43:15.319
on the fire Escape Cast. Thanks
for listening to us. Bottoms up,