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Hello listeners, and welcome to another
Russell Magic branded episode here with your boy

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Rocky Teeth, the gardener, Mark
Gross and friends of the show. Just

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incredible, mister Gardner, how you
going, how's the weather and what's growing?

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Well, I've got hot peppers,
I've got sweet peppers, I have

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let us. I have radishes which
are actually looking really decent. Not as

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good as my girlfriend's radishes, but
that's not actually a code word. She

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actually grows radishes. Guys. I've
got tomatoes. I've got cherry tomatoes.

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I have all kinds of things.
I've got it both excuse me. I

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have both a community garden and i
have buckets out back of my place.

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So I'm doing all kinds of gardening
and I'm loving it and I'm really enjoying

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it. I have a giant so
that I'm about to cut down and dice

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up and put in some salsa.
But you know, most most salsa is

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made by the best Latinos. And
I think that we know a Latino that's

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on the show today, and that
would be mister p J. Palaco.

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What's going on for always everybody trying
to stay dry in Houston? Man,

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We've been having some bipolar weather.
It's just raining for twenty minutes and then

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sunshine and then more raining than their
storms for the lily. The last two

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weeks, I've gone to the car
Wars three times and it literally rained on

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me that same anternoon every time it's
been it's been actually similar in the East

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coast. Yeah, very, it's
all over the place, you know.

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So yeah, I feel you on
that one, man. But happy to

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be back here on the show,
guys. So it's good to hear from

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you, good to hear your voices. Well, absolutely, bro So,

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like you know, it's been schizophrenic
weather down here today. Everything was coated

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in pollen. We should be past
pollen. My little silver car, Bob

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the Bullet I named it after Bullet
Bob Armstrong, course coated in yellow pollen.

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It was just it was crazy.
But anyway, so PJ, you

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want to lead us off and talk
about some stuff, and I think there's

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something you need to get off chest. Yeah, you know, just really

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quick. I just wanted to you
know, this Mav was a good friend

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of the shows and a friend of
our of ours, friend of mine.

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I was supposed to get some stuff
out to him, which I did not

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so I just wanted to let him
know personally on air that I'd not forgotten.

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It was my fault. I completely
botched the deal, which basically means

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I completely forgot about it. So
I apologize and I will make good on

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it. So MAV there you go. I'm sorry about that. We'll make

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good all right. So today's topic
is going to be lost storylines. There

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are storylines that went nowhere and everybody
just kind of scratched their head and said,

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what so I know you were part
of one. So PJ wytn't you

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lead us off, buddy? Well, I mean there's so many great ones.

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I mean, you know, you
always in wrestling when you when you

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start something, you always think like, wow, this is gonna be you

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know, it says the opportunity to
be something really great, and but one

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I have and not a lot of
people know this. This just it kind

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of happened, you know, because
of the nature of the business at the

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time and what was going on in
the wrestling world. And this is about

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mid two thousands. I brought in
Well, I was kind of a single

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handed effort to bring Scott Hall to
wrestle in ECW. It was kind of

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like, you know, Scott had
just kind of been let go from w

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CW ors you know, contract was
up, whatever. I know he'd been

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going through some personal stuff, but
you know, it was just a great

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time to say, hey, you
know, let's let's let's get you in

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here. E CW was still even
in two thousands, even though we were

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going through financial difficulties, it was
still a hot place, like as far

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as the business went, like,
you know, the actual storylines and attendance

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and stuff that was doing well.
Fan base was was hot. So Scott

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came in and he worked with me. We had a one singles match in

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Poughkeepsie, New York, which has
a huge significance because that's the place where

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Vince McMahon, you know, used
to tape Monday Night Raw, you know,

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and even Vince Senior used to take
WW Superstars and Poughkeepsie in that building.

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That was the building where him and
one two three Kid where famously I

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think Kid missed a dive and he
almost killed himself, knocked himself out.

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That was that building. You know, there's just there's just anyways that it

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was. To me, it was
like just kind of like a bucket list

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thing. And and Paulie loved it. Scott loved it. I don't think

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he understood what E c W was
at the time, and the whole thing

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was to get him back to do
an entire program with him and myself basically,

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you know, like I was the
bastard son of the clique that I

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was never really you know, mentioned
or appreciated, and that was kind of

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going to be the deal because realistically
I was more of Scott Scott's frend than

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anybody else's really, you know.
But but anyways, it was just I

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thought and Paul thought it was a
great opportunity to kind of just further that

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along, especially with Scott having such
great you know, at that time,

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you know, the nWo, even
though it was a couple of years removed,

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was still one of the hottest things
in the business, you know,

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so he still had all that all
that stuff, you know, to to

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bring to the table. So,
you know, I just wish we would

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have got a chance to do it, but unfortunately, a couple of months

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later, ECW was no longer.
So even if everything that went aligned,

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I don't think we, you know, time wise, we could have pulled

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it off. The way the business
went, Well, my question for you

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at that time. Is because Paul
was in bed with Vince, so to

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speak. Do you think that they
would have brought anybody from WWE down to

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work with you so for the storyline, if ECW stay in contact and stayed

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financially stable. See, I don't
even know, man, I don't think.

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I know for a fact that Vince
only knew E c W as far

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as namesake. I know for a
fact he did not understand the product.

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I don't think he ever really watched
the product. I could guarantee you he

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didn't. It was just more of
he knew ECW was a thing, and

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he you know, he basically got
a very rudimentary education on ECW, probably

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a briefing prior to a meeting or
something like that. This is what ECW

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is, pal kind of a thing, But it never really got off the

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ground floor with Vince as far as
what it could be, as far as

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an intellectual property, as far as
you know what I mean, it was

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it was always Paul Hayman's vision and
and I think Paul made they kind of

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did that for a reason to kind
of like, you know, he'll always

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have a spot in the game,
so to speak, if he holds that

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card close to the best. Well, I think that was that was a

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brilliant move. But I saw,
I'm going to bring up something that I

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thought was like really really funny,
and it was one of the worst storylines

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of all time, and it had
a finish. But it shouldn't have had

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a finish. It should have just
gone away. And that was Marc Henry

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and May Young and the birth of
the Hand. Yes, now that this

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is you. Were you even in
w W at that point or you?

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I was not? I was Okay, I saw that from a distance.

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Yes. See. The thing is
it was a garbage storyline, and of

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course you couldn't go anywhere with it, and nobody could believe that a woman

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that old is going to be impregnated. I don't care if he's sexual,

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chocolate or not. You're not going
to be impregnated. Okay, your body

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at some point shuts down, you
go through menopause. We all know the

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rules. Okay. But the fact
that they didn't wait another month or two

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when Rob was going to be a
day before or day after April Fool's Day

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to reveal it, it makes no
sense that they just didn't have the vision

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to say, okay, well,
we can, we can unveil it at

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this point and say it's a joke. Yeah, Instead they botched it.

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So that's that's one of my because
that there was no point to that whole

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storyline. It was. It was
a punishment for Mark Henry for some reason.

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And there's about six or seven people
I would never punish Mark Henry,

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Kane undertaker, Paul Waite, that's
about it. Like there's a lot of

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people who will squash you like a
bug. And you know all the stories

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that that undertaker talks about, like
Mark Henry picking up the tour bus overseas

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and moving it on his back.
Yeah, yeah, So why would you

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punish that guy. I get the
fact that he didn't go over the way

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they wanted him to, but they
gave him a really bad skill set.

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They gave him a punch, slap, bodykick, body slam like. That's

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that's why he didn't get over.
That's why he never you know, became

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what he was until the Hall of
Pane and still it was. I don't

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want to say too a little too
late, because I do have a lot

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of respect for Mark Henry and I
think that he is somewhat of a locker

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leader and a locker room leader,
I should say, and I think that

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he has a lot to give back
to the business. And I really feel

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that like he was just not approaching
the right way. But that whole thing

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with the hand, that was just
the dumbest thing I've ever seen in my

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life. It's close to Katie Vick, but it's not quite Katie Vick.

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Ain't talk about rock. Why don't
you take one? Well, I'm gonna

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go. I'm gonna pivot a little
way to a storyline, not necessarily one

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that we didn't have it finished too
because you know, creative or somebody walked

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out or injury, but this one
was actually due to a death, tragedy

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struck And that was a storyline from
nineteen ninety seven. This was a storyline

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between Brian Pillman and Gods. The
storyline took place in nineteen ninety seven and

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was one of the more controversial and
dramatic angles of that era. The feud

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added a personal twist involving Terry Reynolds, who was the real life and on

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screen ballet of Godas the storyline kicked
off with Brian Pillman making new comments and

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advances towards Marlina Pilman claimed he'd had
past relationships with her and that's what started

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and added the personal advantit animosity to
the feud. They had a stipulation match

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at SummerSlam ninety seven. They had
a couple of matches, but then before

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they could actually get the payoff to
the storyline, tragedy struck and we lost

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Pilman. I didn't realize how big
of a deal it was when Pilman showed

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up on WWTV, because I didn't
learn til years later that he was,

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you know, going in between companies, showing up on EASYWTV and ww and

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that's a big deal. So for
me growing up and then learning about it

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later on, I realized how how
much we really lost out on that talent,

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and for both of these guys,
that could have been a very good

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payoff. So were either one of
you? Weren't there either? Yeah in

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ninety seven, PJ, were you? No? I was not, But

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you still knew the guys, So
did you have anything to add to that.

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I had actually only met Brian in
past and I didn't know him.

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I was, I was, I
was a huge fan. I don't know

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why I assume all wrestlers know all
wrestlers. I just yeah, I unfortunately

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I was. But I'll tell you
one thing. It's funny you say that

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he was one of the reasons I
loved the business, and he was like

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one of my favorites as a mart
when I was in market in high school,

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you know, like Brian Pillman when
he first came into WCW in like

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eighty nine, ninety ninety one.
That's when I graduated high school, right

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before I went to wrestling camp.
So I was a huge Brian Pillman fan.

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So yeah, I only you know
him so much. I wish I

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would have got to know him,
you know. So let me ask you

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something, PJ. Do you think
that just incredible versus loose cannon Brian Pillman.

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You'd have to be You'd have to
be the heal. Oh, we

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sell out to ECW. Do you
think you could sell out bigger than ECW

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Arena? Oh? Of course,
jeez, I mean we were. I

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mean, you know again, it
all depends. I mean, it's all

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happenstance. But I remember, it's
like anything else when the business is hot,

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and it is hot right now.
Even though you could argue with a

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w's numbers at the at the gate
it's it's very bad, but I mean,

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I just can All I could say
is when we were doing it as

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ECW, we were we were selling
three thousand tickets per event. I mean,

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and I'm not trying. I mean, I know that doesn't that you

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can't compare to a WWE or a
w c W at the time, but

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we were also running literably smaller venues, you know what I mean. We

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weren't running twenty thousand seed venues.
We were literally running gymnasiums which we probably

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got for five or six hundred dollars
on rental and selling you know, three

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thousand tickets and stuffing fans in and
which also made it look great on television,

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you know what I mean. So
I think that was the kind of

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the charm of the whole thing.
It made it feel underground, It felt

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real, and and there was there
was really something to that. Because it's

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easy to go to a house show
for WWE or a TV taping for WWE,

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but ECW it was like it was
something else to it, you know,

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because it was almost like you're going
to a productor you know, it's

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like almost like you're as a fan, you're asked to do something you need

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you. You're asked to kind of
participate and partake in the madness, and

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that's what kind of made ECW so
cool. So it kind of all goes

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hand in hand, you know,
I get it. I just just kind

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of curious because I believe that the
two you could have definitely sold something we

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did tickets. Man, Oh my
god, that would have been a dream.

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I mean, I I you know, I think for sure, but

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I mean, but that's it.
What I was trying to get at is

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in two thousand and one, right
before we closed up. No, I'll

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go back June of two thousand,
we did a heat wave and it was

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myself and Tommy Dreamer. That was
the show where the XPW guys showed up.

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Yeah, and I remember we it
was at the Grand Olympic Auditorium where

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back in the day Pat Patterson Ray
Stevens used to sell out that for the

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territories. Back in the day,
the Grand Olympic was like the Madison Square

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Garden of LA back in those days. It's it's set about six thousand and

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I remember Dreamer and I were the
main event in the ladder match Stairway to

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Hell. We sold out those six
thousand seats. You know, so I

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can only imagine what a guy like
Pillman in the future, you know what

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I mean, if you could kind
of put what wrestling has become and you

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know what I mean, I don't
know, man, It just Sky's the

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limit. You know, Sky would
have been the limit for a lot of

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them. And you could say that
about you know, our VD Man or

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a Van dam against against him as
well. You know a lot of those

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guys you could throw taboo in there
against. You know, it would have

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been amazing. I want to I
want to sidebar real quick. You said

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Ray Stevens, Ray the Crippler Stevens. I was a big fan of him

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growing up. Now, Rock you
don't know who this guy was. He

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was a greasy looking little brawler with
a one glove on and this guy would

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beat people merciless in the rink,
but he didn't actually hurt them. He

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just made it look that good.
He was the original Crippler before the falling

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one Crispin Waugh. And this guy
would have great matches, I mean,

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just great matches. Did he tag
with Adrian Adonis for a while he did?

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Yeah, Well he's he's the reason
the Shawn Michaels what we call the

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flare and the Shawn Michaels bump.
That was the Ray Stevens bump. Ray

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Stevens came up with the flippy bump. Well on the Turnbuggles with his originals

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calling card. Yes Stevens. Stevens, what was he five to ten to

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two hundred pounds at most with a
pot belly. But this guy would go

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into the ring and he would make
you believe that he was gonna hurt somebody

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every son of a gun night that
he was in there. He would just

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do it. And I love Ray
Stevens. So when I first started watching

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wrestling in eighty four, some of
the Coliseum stuff had come out, and

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I would like, if I begged
my dad and I was really good.

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I got to, you know,
rent some of that stuff, and I

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would see Stevens and I would just
like, like, this guy is so

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good. He reminded me a lot
of Blackjack Mulligan. Yeah. Similar.

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He was just a small, a
very small Blackjack Mulligan. But man his

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his punishment the way he would he
would choreograph it Rocky in the ring,

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Yeah like he would. He would. He would twist your arm punch you

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in the armpit, punch you in
the teet, punch you in the neck,

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punch you in the throat, like
he built a story for what he

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was doing. I love Ray Stevens, so I'm sorry I did that.

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So Rock, what's your next?
Your your your next? Forgotten storyline?

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So I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead
and I'm gonna stick in ninety seven and

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it's it's something that we never got
an answer to. It's not necessarily a

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payoff. But this happened at the
ninety nine King of the Ring, the

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Stone Cold ladder match versus Vince and
Shane. Do you remember what happened at

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the end of the match. I
can say I do not well up,

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so I do not. It was
a ladder match. There was a briefcase

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in it. Somebody raised the briefcase
so Austin couldn't get it, causing him

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the match. But we would never
explained who raised the briefcase. There was

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no payoff to it. Oh wow. And then it just like I said,

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no payoff, nothing. It just
kept on going with the story and

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nothing came of it. So it's
not something that people really talking about.

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I don't think it's that popular,
but like a storyline we didn't get because

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it wasn't actually between two wrestlers that
we were expecting about, which is something

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that wasn't explained. So that was
something that stuck out to me that I

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found in my research. And then
going on, I know, Michael this

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one. We both had this one
on our lists, and that was of

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the GTV And on the very first
instance that it showed, if you see

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on the actual on the bottom bright
left corner, it actually said g d

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TV. Yes, yes, okay, so you already knew that I was

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testing you, all right, go
ahead and say that. So gd TV

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was supposed to be gold Dost TV, and it was supposed to be like

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reintroducing him to like do you remember
And I hate to say this, and

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I you know, it was a
Vince Russo production. I know he's a

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friend of yours, PJ. But
it was GDTV val Venus at a year

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and old next to the Big Show. Do you guys remember the scene?

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Yeah? Do you know whe I'm
going with this, PJ? No,

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I don't, but go ahead.
So it's it's filmed in black and white

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and he's next to the Big Show
and he looks over as they're urinating,

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and he says, I thought they
called you the Big Show. And then

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the Big Show took his head and
slammed it into the wall. Then they

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had to match that night obviously of
a Russo production. But what it comes

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down to is that they were They
changed it to GTV, and it was

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supposed to be Vic Grimes, so
the original and of course another venturer.

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So he was going to be Key
as a kilo of cocaine. That's what

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they we all. He was supposed
to tag with the Godfather, as I

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mean, he attacked the Godfather,
and it was supposed to be like supply

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and demand or something like that.
It look, I don't write this,

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I just know it from history.
Actually supplying the man was supposed to be

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the Godfather in Valvenus, and that's
they were going to get together because they

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were going to go after Key at
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So they did the gd TV and
then it became GTV, and then when

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Grimes got injured, they said there
there there's no you know, point for

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him to come back because all I
could do is take insane bumps and he

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wasn't that great in the ring.
Now, can you testify to that and

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tell me how good he was in
the ring? I mean, I don't

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know very much. He was very
uh. And the look in wrestling,

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it's it's kind of you know,
it sucks that it has to be this

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way, but unfortunately, why not
maybe not? Unfortunately there's a reason everything

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is the way it is. You
know, you have to be well liked

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by the people that you know.
There were always gatekeepers in wrestling, and

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I don't believe in gatekeepers in any
industry, but in a way, was

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there to protect what everybody had built, because you know what I mean,

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in wrestling there has to be some
kind of loyalty and some weird kind of

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allegiance, alliances and allegiance because you
know, it's a fake business, right,

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it's not real. It's not like
you could you know, in order

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to hold your position, you just
got to be really good and not be

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defeated. That doesn't work it to
you know what I mean, it's a

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work. It's really much more like
a bastardized version of Hollywood. Really,

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we're writing scripts and we're acting it
out in a physical manner, which I

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hate to say that about wrestling,
but it's reality. So you know,

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I think that that part always has
a part to play, But I think

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Vic Grimes just never really was like, you know, I always made sure

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that I was friendly with everybody.
You had to respect the you know,

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the boys, the talent, the
promoters, the whole industry. You know,

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you kind of had to pay your
dues. And I understood that,

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and everybody liked me. So that's
why for me it wasn't hard to get

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in. But a guy like Vic
Grimes, he was just quiet. He

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shunned everything in that way, which
I mean he didn't do anything necessarily wrong

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that would cause you know, like
and in reality, like, you know,

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did he what did he really do? Nothing? Just quiet. Maybe

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people took that as being into himself
and not wanting to you know what I

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mean. Then jealousy takes over too, It's like, why is this guy

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getting him? You know what I
mean a break. I've been in the

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business for twenty years. You get
that kind of stuff, which is not

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cool. So I think it's a
lot of that. But he really was

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not well known or even liked in
the locker room, which I think has

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a lot to do with the way
he was perceived, which is unfair.

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You know, to be quite honest, because he was a pretty good performer

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in the ring, you know,
as far as I could see. Interesting.

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Interesting. I got a little bit
more to add before we move on,

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because for me, when this came
out in ninety seven, I was

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I was ten years old, so
this was PG fourteen TV, So this

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was big stuff for me, and
I just want to give a little bit

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more clearly understand, clearer understanding about
what GTTV is to some of the listeners

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who maybe weren't even born yet.
So it was a storyline device that featured

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hitting camera footage revealing personal and often
controversial moments involving the superstars. Like you

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mentioned, the one that we saw
with vou Vida is a big show.

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The two that I remember the most
because one was romantic and then the other

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one was comedy. Comedy one was
Al Snow talking the Head backstage, hitting

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camera in the locker room. He's
just having conversations with head. To me

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as a kid, that's funny.
And then the one storyline that I actually

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think got the most progression out of
this was the relationship between Stephen McMahon.

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Tests you got to see them backstage, you know, kissing and stuff,

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you know, back in the dock
and the docks wherever. So we got

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to see that kind of unfold and
that was something that we hadn't seen with

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some of that backstage stuff that was
that was new to the Attitude era.

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So that was very cool for me
as a as a young kid. Real

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quick. As a sidebar, did
you ever meet Andrew Martin? Pj Oh,

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yeah, I worked with him unfortunately. Who how about stiff? Oh?

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Boy was he stiff? Uh?
Everything hurt? Every just looking at

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him hurt Like he's such a he's
such a nice dude, such a kind

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soul. I really liked him as
a person, but boy, just everything,

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it just just everything was pain.
Like I don't understand how somebody could

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be that stiff. That's him and
he wasn't meaning to be stiff, just

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didn't have like you know, I
could make it look like I knocked your

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teeth out and you would barely feel
my hand, you know, you wouldn't

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know if you were hit and where
he was the opposite, like he punched

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you and you were like what the
hell just happened? Like why? Why?

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It's so hard? So I've always
tried to figure that one out because

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you know, they said that Vince
saw him the next Diesel, they saw

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the next Kevin Nash. But he's
four inches shorter. Has absolutely and I'm

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not speaking ill the dead. He
just he had no charisma. He had

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jack point nothing for charisma. No, No, he didn't. Unfortunately,

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you know, he didn't. He
was kind of you know, he was

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a good looking dude, but he
was kind of goofy. And it didn't

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and I'm not saying that in the
bad way, just his personality, like

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I'm goofy too, Like if I'm
Pete, like in the locker room,

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I'm goofy. You know, I
por create a different character. And then

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I kind of got over where,
you know, Test it was a little

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bit harder for him, you know, because he was just you know,

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you know, but he was a
good dude. You know, I feel

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bad for him, and he was
a lot goal he dealt with a lot

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of issues with depression and stuff,
and you know, you know, you

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always feel bad for somebody like that. But yeah, he definitely lacked in

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that department for sure. Well you
got to realize that rolls into a lost

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storyline because he was supposed to be
the boyfriend of Stephanee McMahon. But then

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all of a sudden an affair happens
and she's with Triple H. So what

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do you guys think would have happened
if Triple H never interjected himself or he

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in China stayed together? I mean, DJ, you'd have more perspective on

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this than anybody else. Yeah.
I don't know, man, I just

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you know, when it comes to
when it came down to all of it.

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First of all, I saw that. I mean, the China thing

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was pretty obvious and out in the
open for me, you know, just

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again just being around seeing what I
saw, sharing what we shared. You

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know, I don't know, man, I just don't think Hunter at that

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point was just destined to take the
reins. It was just like for some

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reason, man, it was like
written in stone. I think he just

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had that hyper focus in some weird
way that this is going to be his

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company, you know. I think
he felt he was going to be working

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with Vince for a very long time, and he did. I just don't

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think anybody could have foreseen what was
going to happen and what happened, you

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know, and in some ways it
was best for business. As famously,

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they always say because in reality it
was best for business and any think Hunter's

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doing actually a great job. Unfortunately, it just took a lot of family

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mess to to kind of clear all
that up, which is wild if you

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think about it, you know,
the way it all went down. But

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yeah, I mean it is still
unfolding still, and it's gonna unfold still

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for a long time. I still
don't see Vincent. I still can't see,

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and I mean it's all but written, but I still can't see Vince

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McMahon in some way, not wanting
to or trying to. I don't know.

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Isn't that weird? Like you know, uh, do you know better

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than we do? Bro? You
know we do. It's wild, dude.

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I mean Vince literally he was when
we used to go backstage for TV

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tapings before it was called Vince's office
in the like there was like photocopy sheets

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like all over the locker rooms,
and Vince's office was called the Emperor's office.

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So I mean he was literally the
emperor of that ship. Like that's

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he was the man. And now
it's like he's you know what I mean,

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it's just a couple of years,
he's not even in the you know,

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I mean, obviously. Man,
I don't think his faculties are all

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there at this point. I mean, I don't think they were ever there.

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I think he lost his mind a
long time ago. I mean,

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you know, he's just a wild
dude, and I think he lost his

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stuff a long time ago. But
yeah, I mean, you know,

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it was bound to happen. I
just wish it did. I kind of

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wish it didn't happen this way,
you know, because I think it also

407
00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:48.559
does a disservice to his legacy because
he did you know, he caused a

408
00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:51.000
lot of bad for a lot of
people. I know that, but he

409
00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:53.480
also called bad things. We have
to be honest with this. He's done

410
00:28:53.519 --> 00:28:56.680
some bad things. Oh he's done
some horrible things. He's done some horrible

411
00:28:56.720 --> 00:29:00.920
things. But you know, he
also was the you know, I don't

412
00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:03.480
think wrestling would be what it is
today if it wasn't prudent. So you

413
00:29:03.559 --> 00:29:07.960
always wrestling. I kind of miss
wrestling from nineteen eighty four, bro.

414
00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:12.160
Yeah, I miss my territories.
I miss like you know, wild Bill

415
00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:17.480
Orwin, I miss Jake the Milk
Van Milligan. You know, I miss

416
00:29:17.599 --> 00:29:22.200
these guys. I know I know
those and it was great times. You

417
00:29:22.279 --> 00:29:26.559
know there's a great times, but
I mean, would we have wrestledman,

418
00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:29.599
You'll be a two night event,
you know, in stadiums back to back,

419
00:29:29.720 --> 00:29:33.440
you know, selling a hundred fifty
thousand tickets in the weekend. You

420
00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:37.799
know, it's it's wild. I
mean, you never know. But you

421
00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:40.039
know, at least look, at
least it's in good hands. I mean,

422
00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:42.759
at least the WWE now well is
in good hands. You know.

423
00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:45.920
It's just weird that it's not in
the makeman's hands. You know, for

424
00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:48.559
the first time ever, pro wrestling
is out of the hands of like the

425
00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:53.799
old timey promoters. It's actually like
all now in television and you know,

426
00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:59.319
real sports and like you know what
I mean, it's like in corporate hands.

427
00:29:59.319 --> 00:30:02.000
It's just wild. I never would
have thought that, you know.

428
00:30:03.799 --> 00:30:07.839
So I'm gonna throw one out here
for you. This was a storyline that

429
00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:12.480
died really fast because he jumped ship
out of w w F and that was

430
00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:21.319
Ultimate warriorsus the Undertaker. Oh oh
wow, yes, to educate me on

431
00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:26.599
that one. Uh, you know, Undertaker put the Ultimate Warrior in in

432
00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:30.599
the casket. He didn't want to
put over Mark Callaway, which I don't

433
00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:34.720
know why you wouldn't want to put
over the best big man ever. I

434
00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:38.319
mean seriously, Like it's it's an
argument between he and Kane. There's there's

435
00:30:38.319 --> 00:30:45.559
no you know, and yeah,
there's there's nobody else you could put in

436
00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:48.920
that argument. But I don't think. I don't think. Then they took

437
00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:52.920
him, and they didn't take I
mean they didn't take him seriously, No,

438
00:30:52.119 --> 00:30:56.920
Yeah, Undertaker took a lot of
years, even after the Attitude era,

439
00:30:56.319 --> 00:31:02.319
it took years and years of that
my of like you know, the

440
00:31:02.359 --> 00:31:04.000
Taker's still here by the way,
you know what I mean. It's like

441
00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:08.480
he is like time kind of was
his ally in that way where he just

442
00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:12.559
put in the most time and had
the most iconic character, and with that

443
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:17.000
the myth grew, you know what
I mean, and almost like it it

444
00:31:17.920 --> 00:31:21.039
it made itself into its own existence, like you know what I mean,

445
00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:23.680
It's like it wasn't even written,
Like the Streak wasn't written. It just

446
00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:29.480
kind of happened, you know what
I mean, by accident, Like the

447
00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:32.759
kind the building of the Undertaker really
happened by accident. And he was like,

448
00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:36.599
look, he's the top guy.
So maybe like he goes into WRESTLEMANI

449
00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:38.000
and he just kind of wins every
time because he's he's going to be the

450
00:31:38.079 --> 00:31:42.200
Undertaker. But we really don't have
anything crazy for the Undertaker as far as

451
00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:45.279
plans, so you know what I
mean. It just kind of kept silently

452
00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:48.400
building, which is great to his
benefit, and then all of a sudden

453
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:52.480
you look back and it's like,
oh, he's twenty and oh really okay,

454
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:56.720
you know what I mean, And
it just kind of became something that

455
00:31:56.720 --> 00:32:00.079
I don't think anybody could have planned, which is great. That's that's the

456
00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:05.880
part of wrestling that is magic.
It is those like little thing exactly,

457
00:32:06.039 --> 00:32:07.799
you know what I mean. Seriously
though, it's like those little things that

458
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:14.759
you could find in some basic storytelling
that just happens that you're not really planning

459
00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:17.400
for. You know, it's cool
stuff. The best match of the Undertaker

460
00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:23.440
never had Scott Hall at WrestleMania.
Yeah, yeah, that would that would

461
00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:29.480
have been the best match he ever
had, not ever had, but I

462
00:32:29.480 --> 00:32:32.400
think they would have put on a
clinic. Yeah, yeah, for sure,

463
00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:37.400
for sure. Scott was man.
Scott was See. That's the thing

464
00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:42.960
is Scott was big, but he's
he always tried to work like he was

465
00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:45.400
a smaller guy. You know what
I mean, I don't think people give

466
00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:49.240
Scott. I mean, Scott was
a big dude. You know, he's

467
00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:53.359
a very big dude, and that's
that's a big guy, right, people

468
00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:57.000
don't you know. You say it
and it's like, yeah, but you

469
00:32:57.000 --> 00:33:00.279
know taker's bigger or this guy's bigger. It's like, yeah, but dude,

470
00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:02.519
guys like Scott Hall you don't see
every day either. You know,

471
00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:06.759
you don't go to the waffle house
and see Scott Hall. You know,

472
00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:10.319
gotcha, But you know in two
seventy six seven, you know you don't

473
00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:14.519
see that. I did tell you
how I prank called him though, so

474
00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:19.759
that was pretty awesome him and said
vicious, which was pretty awesome. Oh

475
00:33:19.839 --> 00:33:23.160
dude, I loved that. The
way Sid was huffing and puffing. I

476
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:29.599
loved Sorry, Sid YOUDI if you're
out there listening to myself, Yeah,

477
00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:34.160
Sid, Sid, he's a good
guy. But yeah, he said.

478
00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:37.400
This is one thing I'll give about
Sid is that when I was down in

479
00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:40.720
Memphis living there for a long time, a lot of the people who were

480
00:33:40.880 --> 00:33:45.799
like his son's age said that he
was really good about giving back to the

481
00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:50.799
community and giving back to people.
So for you, Sid, good job.

482
00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:52.079
Yeah, no, he was.
He was always good like that.

483
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:55.880
Sid's a very good guy. That's
one thing as a human being. He

484
00:33:57.000 --> 00:34:00.559
was a very nice man and a
very kind and giving man. You know.

485
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:02.359
He wasn't a jerk, you know, so a lot of people in

486
00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:07.559
his tradition were. He was not. He was a nice man. We're

487
00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:10.679
talking about the same Sid with the
hairline temper. Yes, absolutely, yes,

488
00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:14.039
all right, he was a good
dude, at least the guy I

489
00:34:14.119 --> 00:34:16.840
knew was good dude. I was
good to you. But you're also one

490
00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:20.840
hundred and fifty pounds stronger than me, so you know, I only weigh

491
00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:27.320
one forty five. Topic. Now, let's get to let's get into some

492
00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:32.320
brass tacks and baseball bats. Okay, guys, what are goofy storylines you

493
00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:37.280
saw really disappear? Because we've been
talking about this. I talked about like

494
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:40.079
I talked about him, Chucky and
Rick Steiner. That went nowhere and that

495
00:34:40.199 --> 00:34:49.199
served no absolute purpose whatsoever. And
they did the whole thing to promote the

496
00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:54.440
new Child's Play movie. But the
fact is, Rick Steiner, why did

497
00:34:54.440 --> 00:35:00.719
you pick Rick Steiner? It made
no sense and it went nowhere. That's

498
00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:06.679
kind of goofy, And I like
honestly, what was that that that Goofball's

499
00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:17.239
name that parodied j Jim Ross And
Yeah, that guy needs to have his

500
00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:22.320
face burned on a grill somewhere for
what he I don't like that, dude.

501
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:28.679
Do you want to say why?
No? I just I never liked

502
00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:37.000
that he did that. Yeah,
why clincher palette, p J. What

503
00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:43.119
do you mean say why you don't
like him? I did. I didn't

504
00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:45.480
like the fact that he just was
mean to do like. I didn't like

505
00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:47.239
the fact that he was just like
attacking j R. You know, because

506
00:35:47.239 --> 00:35:51.400
to me, like JR is like
all about you know, he's wrestling.

507
00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:52.719
You know, if you don't like
Jim Ross, it's like you don't like

508
00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:57.079
pro wrestling, and you just kind
of was like, I don't know,

509
00:35:57.599 --> 00:36:00.039
I mean, it was a w
W ploy. I get it, but

510
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:04.039
I just, you know, don't
mess with you are kind of take it

511
00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:10.159
personally. I feel like very agreeance
with that. Do you believe that like

512
00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:14.559
he points the finger at Russo and
Russo points the finger at him. Who

513
00:36:14.599 --> 00:36:19.400
do you believe was really behind it? Dense? I don't know. I

514
00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:22.440
just think it's it's one of those
things, dude. I honestly believe this.

515
00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:25.360
It's just it all got carried on. It was all out of control.

516
00:36:25.400 --> 00:36:30.199
Like even all the click stuff,
all the stuff that was happening backstage

517
00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:36.679
that we all pontificate nowadays and discuss
and all this stuff. A lot of

518
00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:42.400
it was just like just like adults
acting like children, like just ribs and

519
00:36:42.440 --> 00:36:45.679
being dicks to one another, excuse
my language, just not being just not

520
00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:49.679
being good humans. You know.
A lot of that happened in wrestling,

521
00:36:49.719 --> 00:36:52.159
and there was no reason for it. Just guys were jerks, you know,

522
00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:57.039
and it was like that that.
You know, if you were you

523
00:36:57.079 --> 00:37:00.360
were a bully in those days,
if you were a big star, you

524
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:02.719
could bully other people. And a
lot of bullying happened in the business back

525
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:06.400
in the day, and that's really
what would happened, you know, and

526
00:37:06.440 --> 00:37:09.800
it's unfortunate, and you know,
a lot of people couldn't even understand it

527
00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:14.000
today. It's like, how could
that happen? If I told you some

528
00:37:14.039 --> 00:37:16.000
of the real stuff that ever happened
to me, people would be like,

529
00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:20.840
why did you just like file a
lawsuit with w WA? Why did many

530
00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:25.280
people file lawsuits? There was so
much cruel stuff going on, hazing wise

531
00:37:25.400 --> 00:37:30.039
and stuff in the early in the
mid nineties. You know, it's just,

532
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:32.480
you know, just something that wouldn't
be tolerated today, not even close.

533
00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:37.719
But back then it was just like
the way it was for everybody,

534
00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:39.199
you know what I mean. So
it's like, you know, what do

535
00:37:39.239 --> 00:37:40.920
you do? What do you say? You don't say anything, you just

536
00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:44.760
kind of go with it, right, And I think that's a lot of

537
00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:49.639
what that is for real. You
know, that's like this whole conversation reminds

538
00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:52.519
me of an interview I saw with
robout dan Dam when he was talking about

539
00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:55.719
seem punk and he said like,
yeah, seem punk is gonna start to

540
00:37:57.639 --> 00:37:59.400
you know, seeing punk came to
him. He's like, yeah, we're

541
00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:00.960
gonna do like, you know,
locker room meeting. And he's like,

542
00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:04.400
you know, who the hell's c
M Punk? Well, who the hell's

543
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:08.679
Rob van Damn? Really? Rob
van Dam never struck me as anybody besides

544
00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:12.800
a person who's given a title because
of his skill set, which should have

545
00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:19.400
been Saboo's title over and over again. And he never he had the chrism

546
00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:23.719
of his stoner. Great, you're
a stoner. I never saw in Rob

547
00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:27.960
van dam what everybody else saw.
He had a little bit of something.

548
00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:32.760
But like when he talks trash about
CM Punk, it's like he's had way

549
00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:40.960
more longevity not wrestling than you did
longevity wrestling, Right, Yeah, I

550
00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:45.199
mean, you know, that's definitely
a thing. And I could see both.

551
00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:50.400
I could see both both ideals.
I could see why Punk would say

552
00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:52.360
what he says, and I can
see why Rob would say what he says

553
00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:57.360
about Punk. Because I could,
I could see, I could take both.

554
00:38:57.440 --> 00:39:00.599
I could take both sides and be
and I can probably convince you I'm

555
00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:04.079
right on either one, because it's
like nobody's really wrong. It's just kind

556
00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:07.719
of like a preference, you know, and uh, you know, and

557
00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:10.639
I guess and but no, but
I guess guys like Rob. I identify

558
00:39:10.679 --> 00:39:15.840
with guys like Rob Moore because we
were there for all of it. Like

559
00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:19.880
I just feel like those extra five
or six years that you have a guy

560
00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:22.920
like see him Punk, where you
literally started e c W and Rob was

561
00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:27.840
e c W for a very long
time. Let's I mean, that's that's

562
00:39:27.880 --> 00:39:30.519
the truth. You can't deny that. You can't deny that he was a

563
00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:37.159
special generational talent that very few people
will ever retain. You know, that's

564
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:42.880
a less Man before he went undefeated. Yeah, yeah, no, no,

565
00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:45.679
who was less? I don't know. I have no idea. Chris

566
00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:54.639
Jericho really yeah yeah you no,
you know, but anyways, yeah,

567
00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:58.679
I mean, it is what it
is, man, It is what it

568
00:39:58.760 --> 00:40:04.559
is. So I think you already
mentioned some other goofy things that or maybe

569
00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:07.920
they may fall under goofy, but
that was the birthday they handed from May

570
00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:14.760
Young. The Katie Vic storyline.
You have things that the face mcman kiss

571
00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:17.280
my Ass Club. That one was
kind of goofy. Terrible, terrible,

572
00:40:17.360 --> 00:40:22.039
yeah, terrible, but one that
I when I first saw it, I

573
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:25.440
was like, I don't know how
they're gonna pull this off. But due

574
00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:30.199
to real life, real life events, this storyline was canceled. And that

575
00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:35.119
was the one in two thousand and
seven, the death of mister McMahon.

576
00:40:36.679 --> 00:40:40.119
So this one was, like I
said, this one was canceled because this

577
00:40:40.159 --> 00:40:46.119
one ran in June. Vis Man
was appeared to be starting to lose his

578
00:40:46.159 --> 00:40:50.079
mind a little bit, lose his
marbles, and he was wandering around raw

579
00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:52.880
and at the end of the show
he steps into a limousine and it explodes.

580
00:40:54.480 --> 00:41:00.239
What was it? Brian Kendrick smile
at him and got fired. Well,

581
00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:02.079
I guess well might not ever know
that one. But this storyline was

582
00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:07.599
actually canceled because of the real life
events of the tragedy of the Crispin Wall

583
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:12.000
family. So this one they never
got to see through. There was a

584
00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:15.039
lot of media pushback on this one
and the mixed reactions, and because of

585
00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:19.039
what was going on, they just
they just had to sweep it under the

586
00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:24.079
rug. So but at death Angle
on TV for the Boss, don't I

587
00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:28.039
don't know how how they would have
got to run that one. So that

588
00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:30.679
one was just, like I said, that's gonna be a lost one on

589
00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:32.679
us forever. All right, Peter, I'm gonna I'm gonna hit you with

590
00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:37.559
this one because I'm gonna say that
like this, McMahon believed he could come

591
00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:42.440
back and everybody would forget because he
could create TV and create reality as far

592
00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:51.039
as this wrestling company went. How
do you feel about that? You know,

593
00:41:51.119 --> 00:41:55.679
it's it's just always been the way
for Vince. I think he again,

594
00:41:55.239 --> 00:42:02.199
I think Vince is a is a
weird, one, once in a

595
00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:09.599
lifetime kind of character in this world, and you know you're not gonna have

596
00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:13.639
There's a reason why there's not a
lot of Vince McMahon's, you know,

597
00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:15.440
because it's just you know, the
wild dude, dude, you know what

598
00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:19.199
I mean, a wild man.
He's a wild person. He's done some

599
00:42:19.280 --> 00:42:27.199
crazy things and a lot of those
crazy things worked for him, and you

600
00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:30.119
know, as as he got older, things kind of started to come back

601
00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:34.480
on him, like you know,
he he did for a long time.

602
00:42:34.639 --> 00:42:37.719
Have I mean the w W WE. I mean when you go into a

603
00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:42.800
w W building, I must say, it feels like a fortress when you

604
00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:45.199
go into the locker room if you're
not, if you don't belong there,

605
00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:51.639
and you definitely know when you're there
that it's Vince McMahon's. Just like again

606
00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:55.039
the way they you know, they
have the signs pointing to the Emperor,

607
00:42:57.000 --> 00:43:00.159
meaning Vince's office. You know that
was that was what it was. You're

608
00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:06.639
in his kingdom and we all were
just like begging or happy to be there

609
00:43:06.679 --> 00:43:08.960
in any capacity. It really was
like if you were there, dude,

610
00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:15.000
you felt like because again you're making
money. You know, everybody's getting hundreds

611
00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:19.639
of dollars a day just to work, you know, induce sometimes nothing on

612
00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:23.079
television, you know, people are
you know, it was just you'd spend

613
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:30.400
one hundred and fifty two hundred thousand
dollars just on extras and food and catering

614
00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:34.440
for the boys at TV. And
that's a lot. And that's what unfortant,

615
00:43:34.480 --> 00:43:37.000
you know, it paid for a
whole industry underneath itself, you know.

616
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:39.400
And I don't think a lot of
people realize that as well. But

617
00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:44.320
anyways, you know, Evince is
just a wild person, and I don't

618
00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:50.000
think anybody will ever be like Vince
again, for good and for bad and

619
00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:52.880
for good, you know, I
don't think there'll be another guy like that.

620
00:43:55.239 --> 00:43:59.679
That's very interesting information to have.
I mean, like, I look

621
00:43:59.719 --> 00:44:01.760
it like JCP. I mean,
I know you watched a lot of JCP

622
00:44:01.880 --> 00:44:07.000
when you're growing up, Rockies before
your time, and a lot I watched

623
00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:10.039
a lot of Bill Watts Mid South. To me, that was wrestling.

624
00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:15.679
And so when I saw the like
the cartoonish and everything in the way he

625
00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:19.639
took over I I mean, I
was nine, ten years old, but

626
00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:25.239
I still like grasped onto what I
wanted as wrestling as opposed to sports entertainment.

627
00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:30.239
Right. It was a hard time. It was a hard time for

628
00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:37.639
you know, a nine year old
wrestling historian. But we're gonna move forward.

629
00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:45.599
Okay, so hit me, hit
me, all right, go for

630
00:44:45.679 --> 00:44:50.199
it, brother, go for it. So let's talk about one. I'm

631
00:44:50.199 --> 00:44:53.519
gonna move to the twenty tents here. I'm gonna pick one out. This

632
00:44:53.559 --> 00:45:00.880
one involves a real life celebrity.
This one involves Daniel Bryan. This storyline

633
00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:07.440
involving Danny Bryant and Charlie Sheen and
WWE took place in twenty twelve and was

634
00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:12.000
part of the build up to the
one thousand episode of Raw. Charlie Sheen

635
00:45:12.119 --> 00:45:15.360
was a social media ambassador to celebrate
the one thousand episode of Raw. He

636
00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:21.719
was brought in as a special social
media ambassador and he was He was there

637
00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:27.320
on commentary and interacted with fans through
social media and during the progress during the

638
00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:30.840
broadcast, not the podcast. At
one point it was teased that these two

639
00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:36.159
would face off as Summer Slam twenty
twelve. However, the match never materialized.

640
00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:42.679
This one kind of fizzled out.
I've heard rumors about Charlie's health and

641
00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:47.199
then about him taking bumps, So
this one was something. It was just

642
00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:52.960
a publicity stunt aimed at leveraging his
you know, his mainstream appeal to draw

643
00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:55.519
some attention to w W programming,
which is what they always do with a

644
00:45:55.559 --> 00:46:00.800
celebrity. We see the year in
and year out, when if you have

645
00:46:00.880 --> 00:46:06.519
any feelings or even recall this,
it was short lived. Oh didn't he

646
00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:13.719
have to have? Wasn't the beginning
of him like finding out he was HIV

647
00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:20.000
positive? It might have been.
I didn't do the actually health problems.

648
00:46:20.039 --> 00:46:22.760
I just heard he was having some. So that was part of Yes,

649
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:25.679
Yes, I would say that.
I would say I bet money on that

650
00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:35.679
too. Uh pj I've got one
for you, sure, Jenna Jamison.

651
00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:42.679
Yes, don't just say yes like
that. So she was on a couple

652
00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:45.400
of pay per views with you,
and then she disappeared. Then she was

653
00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:51.159
all of a sudden showing up on
Raw with thal Dinas, which he's no

654
00:46:51.320 --> 00:46:54.239
you. But the point is,
how is it to work with her?

655
00:46:54.400 --> 00:46:59.239
And how is it like so weird
that, like you guys kind of like

656
00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:01.840
I mean, I'd get away with
the saying bitch at each other and then

657
00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:06.960
nothing happened. Yeah, it was
just you know, it was just a

658
00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:09.400
couple of skits. Like to me, it was never even an afterthought really,

659
00:47:09.800 --> 00:47:14.400
it was just kind of like some
dey shot, you know, nothing

660
00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:17.440
really came of it. You know, Paulie was always trying to kind of

661
00:47:17.920 --> 00:47:22.360
you know, get as much stuff
in the can as far as footage and

662
00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:25.559
interview and try to just parlay it
into anything he could for some publicity.

663
00:47:25.599 --> 00:47:29.920
So if you had anybody with some
buzz, he would always kind of try

664
00:47:29.920 --> 00:47:31.239
to pull that stuff, you know
what I mean. But no, nothing

665
00:47:31.360 --> 00:47:35.559
was ever, There was no real
intention of moving forward with her in anyway.

666
00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:39.679
So that's the drop one. But
how how was she backstage? Was

667
00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:44.719
she nice? She was super cool. She was a nice person, you

668
00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:47.679
know, kind of quiet, you
know, stayed to herself, really didn't

669
00:47:47.800 --> 00:47:51.239
bother you know what I mean.
Like a lot of people I think were

670
00:47:51.280 --> 00:47:53.639
like more like that. They're just
you know, very laid back and you

671
00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:58.679
know, quiet and unassuming to be
honest, most of most of them.

672
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:05.000
All Right, So I'm gonna drop
another one on you guys. So the

673
00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:14.239
first ECW pay per view, Big
Dick Dudley comes out of nowhere and Joey

674
00:48:14.239 --> 00:48:19.320
Styles yells it's Big Dick Dudley and
he's out of jail. Now Big Dick

675
00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:27.400
is not with us anymore. And
I remember what Stevie Richards said, He's

676
00:48:27.440 --> 00:48:30.840
like I got posters of him all
over my room. It's no secret Stevie

677
00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:37.280
Richards loves Big Dick. He can
deliver a promo like no one else.

678
00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:45.119
But the point is it went nowhere
also, and it was like Big Dick

679
00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:50.239
Dudley was the enforcer because Brian Lee
wasn't there anymore. Now this is way

680
00:48:50.280 --> 00:48:57.159
before your time, but can you
say anything about like that storyline or anything

681
00:48:57.199 --> 00:49:01.639
about like when you came in and
you know, you met the Dudley boys

682
00:49:01.719 --> 00:49:06.679
or anything like that. There was
really not much to it. I think

683
00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:10.119
it was so weird. Big Dick
was just kind of like a Jersey guy

684
00:49:10.840 --> 00:49:15.920
who was just like he was a
big dude, and I think he could

685
00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:19.760
get like drugs and ship. He
was like that. He had the language.

686
00:49:21.039 --> 00:49:22.639
He was just like a connected guy, you know. And he came

687
00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:25.880
to the show he was a wrestling
fan, and they're like, let's bring

688
00:49:25.960 --> 00:49:29.599
him in for a spot, you
know what I mean. And then more

689
00:49:29.639 --> 00:49:31.920
and more he started to train and
that's kind of how it went. You

690
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:37.760
know, a lot of that happened
in EGWL and he had calves the size

691
00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:43.159
of trees. Dude. Yeah,
I thought he was a powerless dry I

692
00:49:43.400 --> 00:49:46.119
thought he and nine when one were
the same person for a while, they

693
00:49:46.119 --> 00:49:50.239
look like the same person. They
couldn't be that Tap of Philadelphia though.

694
00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:58.280
Yeah, so here you go.
All right, So to wrap this episode

695
00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:05.159
up, let's do some speed question. Do you ready? Nope? DJ,

696
00:50:05.400 --> 00:50:09.880
That means you all right? All
right, we want to do a

697
00:50:09.880 --> 00:50:15.039
show with Raven in the future.
Are you in meat? Yeah? I

698
00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:22.440
would love to, Okay, Next
question, best choked slam in the business?

699
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:28.599
Oh, that's a good one.
Current or all time? All time?

700
00:50:29.480 --> 00:50:37.800
That'd be all time? Yeah,
Undertaker better than Kane? Yeah,

701
00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:44.800
Undertaker definitely. Okay, currently it'll
be Damian Priest, but currently, but

702
00:50:44.920 --> 00:50:49.559
all time Kine. Okay, I'm
doing Kane. I go Caine, I

703
00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:52.599
gotta. I got a soft spot
in my heart for Kane because he and

704
00:50:52.760 --> 00:50:58.280
Umtaker are really truly the same person. They really are. Okay, best

705
00:50:58.360 --> 00:51:07.639
power bomb Ooh you know what I
liked Sid sid the jack knife and Batista

706
00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:14.039
bomb. Oh. I took all
of those, so yeah, the bomb

707
00:51:14.079 --> 00:51:19.639
was actually very easy to take.
Are you serious? Really? Yeah?

708
00:51:19.719 --> 00:51:22.440
Yeah? I love taking it,
David. Dave loved it because I used

709
00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:24.639
to always like, I used to
sit way up with it, so I'd

710
00:51:24.639 --> 00:51:28.519
give Dave like all day to like
kind of sit down with it. We

711
00:51:28.880 --> 00:51:30.440
loved. I loved working with him. I was like one of his first

712
00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:38.199
matches in ww cery chemistry. Huh
said, no, Schuyser, you know

713
00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:42.599
that's that's great man. Yeah.
Yeah, it was a great dude.

714
00:51:42.639 --> 00:51:45.079
I loved working with him. He
was actually I could I could see it

715
00:51:45.079 --> 00:51:47.559
from there that he was going to
be something. He was like just so

716
00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:52.639
charismatic, so good, and it's
super cool dude too. So yeah,

717
00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:58.119
I always loved Dave. So since
it's being more adopted nowadays, it seems

718
00:51:58.440 --> 00:52:04.559
best spear best spear, Yeah for
sure. Yeah, who has the best

719
00:52:06.239 --> 00:52:07.800
ron Breker wears the shirt. It's
his best beer in the business, so

720
00:52:07.840 --> 00:52:10.960
he's putting it out there. But
yeah, but I even though I don't,

721
00:52:10.960 --> 00:52:14.880
I'm not like that familiar with it
just from what I've seen. Obviously,

722
00:52:14.920 --> 00:52:17.440
it's the same thing with anything.
They're gonna public publicize it and you're

723
00:52:17.440 --> 00:52:22.480
gonna have a certain opinion about it
if they're pushing it. But if you

724
00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:25.000
look at gold Goldberg obviously had a
great one. But for for now,

725
00:52:25.039 --> 00:52:30.960
I would say bron Breaker just because
it's hot person. You never worked with

726
00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:39.400
that you wish you would have worked
with mm hmm Raid the Krippler Stevens.

727
00:52:40.000 --> 00:52:46.360
No, I would say Ricky the
Dragon Steamboat. Great answer. I would

728
00:52:46.400 --> 00:52:51.199
love to I would love to do
I would love to play flair in in

729
00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:55.639
a match with Ricky Steamboat because I
could pretty much do that anyways. It

730
00:52:55.760 --> 00:53:02.559
just incredible. Huh could you do
it just incredible? Or could you do

731
00:53:02.599 --> 00:53:09.360
it as PJ Placo the indible PJ
couldn't do anything to Ricky Steamboat. I

732
00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:15.039
would be two in my head.
I'd have to be just incredible. How

733
00:53:15.039 --> 00:53:22.800
do you cane Ricky Steamboat? Easy? You know we need to have Vic.

734
00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:27.000
We need to have Vic Steamboat come
out and try to help. And

735
00:53:27.039 --> 00:53:34.400
that's who you came first. Uh
no, no, it's true. I

736
00:53:34.400 --> 00:53:37.960
mean Vic Steamboat was never rick Steamboat. But that would be fun just to

737
00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:42.679
see. I mean, even at
this age, you could make that work.

738
00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:53.480
Probably, Okay, I got some
go ahead, bro, honorable mentions

739
00:53:53.480 --> 00:53:59.360
and you ask your asked questions?
Cool? All right, honorable mention storylines

740
00:53:59.360 --> 00:54:04.840
for things that were unsolved, Uh, just forgotten about no payoff anything.

741
00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:07.320
And this is like I said,
there's a laundry list, but things I

742
00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:12.599
picked out the two thousand and six
came versus Cane angle with the imposter Kane

743
00:54:12.639 --> 00:54:15.800
being Louke Gallows. No payoff to
that one. Uh, you had the

744
00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:22.119
nexus Bury the Undertaker angle with the
Barder life match against Kane for the world

745
00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:27.119
title. NEXTUS came out and helped
Caine Barry Undertaker with no reason, rhyme

746
00:54:27.159 --> 00:54:31.159
or reason to that, no payoff, Dolf vacating the US title, leaves

747
00:54:31.159 --> 00:54:37.199
the company, comes back and doesn't
play. Yeah, that was dumb.

748
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:40.960
And then one thing that due to
injury that didn't play out that I would

749
00:54:40.960 --> 00:54:45.920
want your opinion on, and that
would something that I would have liked to

750
00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:50.920
see play out, and that was
the new nWo with Kevin Nash, HBK

751
00:54:51.599 --> 00:54:55.519
and Takers that we saw they were
trying to recruit Triple H but never happened

752
00:54:55.559 --> 00:55:01.880
because of the Nash injury. Yeah, that would have been great. I

753
00:55:01.880 --> 00:55:06.840
mean, you know, any any
kind of version with those kinds of names

754
00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:08.840
would have been interesting. I'd like
to see how that would have played out.

755
00:55:10.159 --> 00:55:14.239
You know, It's just it's just
a shame how you know, unfortunately

756
00:55:14.599 --> 00:55:17.360
how quickly things were dropped as well, Like you know, just as much

757
00:55:17.920 --> 00:55:22.519
as you can get a successful angle
or something that pops on television. You

758
00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:28.519
also like can blow something that could
equally have been as big, you know,

759
00:55:28.559 --> 00:55:30.119
in two seconds. Like there was
just so much you know what I

760
00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:34.400
mean, Like things just went so
fast in those days. Like if it

761
00:55:34.400 --> 00:55:37.440
didn't work in one week, you'd
shut it down, which is a shame,

762
00:55:37.880 --> 00:55:39.159
you know, because there was a
lot of great stuff out there.

763
00:55:39.159 --> 00:55:42.239
But yeah, that would have definitely
been one of them, for sure.

764
00:55:42.800 --> 00:55:46.119
And I think one of the more
confusing story lines that we had in recent

765
00:55:46.199 --> 00:55:51.039
memory, and that was during COVID, and that was the burnt Fiend storylines.

766
00:55:51.320 --> 00:55:55.320
I guess everybody was sick and yeah
to do and just that one just

767
00:55:55.559 --> 00:55:59.199
was out there and I don't know
how they were ever going to play that

768
00:55:59.199 --> 00:56:01.199
one off. But anyway, I'm
sorry for cutting you off, Guardner Gohad

769
00:56:01.239 --> 00:56:07.679
and continue year actually actually justin I
want to ask you something. What was

770
00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:15.760
your interaction with Kenyon Chris Kanyon?
Nothing? Really uh you know special.

771
00:56:16.159 --> 00:56:20.039
Uh he was a good dude.
You know, we had mutual friends,

772
00:56:20.960 --> 00:56:24.119
but I never recall really having a
much of a you know, a relationship.

773
00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:28.760
You know, good dude, you
know, but they didn't really know

774
00:56:28.840 --> 00:56:32.679
him that well, a lot of
people believed, well he believed to his

775
00:56:32.800 --> 00:56:37.920
death that he wouldn't get signed or
re signed or anything because he was homosexual,

776
00:56:38.559 --> 00:56:43.760
which I mean, let's be honest, we've all heard the stories like

777
00:56:44.360 --> 00:56:47.280
Jen's love to watch. Yeah,
I listen, I don't. I'm not

778
00:56:47.440 --> 00:56:52.599
trying to imitate and pretend that I
know what he was going through. I

779
00:56:52.639 --> 00:56:59.000
do know that it was probably maybe
his perception because there was a belief that

780
00:56:59.079 --> 00:57:05.079
slab room and people like Bradshaw were
definitely amongst those, but it was just,

781
00:57:05.320 --> 00:57:07.559
you know, you could say it
was just people ribbing. And I

782
00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:10.719
think Chris, you know, wasn't
really built for that stuff. I think

783
00:57:10.760 --> 00:57:15.800
he had had, unfortunately, you
know, very complicated life. And you

784
00:57:15.800 --> 00:57:19.440
know, I was ribbed hard too, and he was ribbed hard, and

785
00:57:19.480 --> 00:57:22.400
it's not for everybody, and a
lot of people can take that into a

786
00:57:22.480 --> 00:57:27.000
very negative place. And you know, I don't know if that was the

787
00:57:27.039 --> 00:57:29.840
case with Chris, but he was
from what I hear, he was a

788
00:57:29.840 --> 00:57:34.079
great guy. But I don't think
him being gay had anything to do with

789
00:57:34.119 --> 00:57:37.920
it. I mean, Pat Patterson
was openly gay and he was amongst one

790
00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:39.400
of the favorites in the locker room
forever. You know what I mean,

791
00:57:42.519 --> 00:57:45.800
I get it. It's it's one
of those things that you know that I'm

792
00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:51.760
gonna ask so and maybe it's me
being naive, right, maybe it's me

793
00:57:51.880 --> 00:57:55.440
being naive. I don't know.
Perhaps, like again, I was a

794
00:57:55.519 --> 00:58:00.039
bit just you know, removed from
that. But I just you know,

795
00:58:00.440 --> 00:58:04.079
but again, I'm not him.
I'm not feeling what he you know what

796
00:58:04.119 --> 00:58:06.880
I mean, only he could feel
that, you know. And I'm sure

797
00:58:06.920 --> 00:58:09.880
you know a lot of times there
were there were negativities. I'm just not

798
00:58:09.920 --> 00:58:15.480
sure. I just don't think the
WW locker room was kind of you know,

799
00:58:15.039 --> 00:58:17.679
I don't know. It could be. It could be. Listen,

800
00:58:17.800 --> 00:58:22.559
the WW locker room could be a
rough place. If you're George Clooney,

801
00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:24.719
it doesn't matter who you are.
And what I mean by that is you

802
00:58:24.760 --> 00:58:29.639
could be perfect, you could be
a stud, you could be anybody.

803
00:58:29.679 --> 00:58:31.639
They're just gonna fuck with you no
matter what. It's kind of what it

804
00:58:31.760 --> 00:58:36.519
is, you know what I mean. And I think that's one of the

805
00:58:36.559 --> 00:58:39.239
realities that people don't, you know. Unfortunately, I don't think a lot

806
00:58:39.239 --> 00:58:45.679
of people can handle it unless you're
given in the Candida's opinion of real life

807
00:58:46.360 --> 00:58:49.599
I mean it's just I mean,
it's you know, it's it's sad,

808
00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:52.159
but it's true. I mean it
was a bully mentality there for a long

809
00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:55.400
time, you know, and I
don't think anybody would argue with that.

810
00:58:57.239 --> 00:59:00.760
But what are you gonna do?
Right? If you say something, it's

811
00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:02.760
on you. You're you're the bad
guy for saying, for noticing, you

812
00:59:02.800 --> 00:59:08.239
know. So if I felt like
I was getting abused or shoot on,

813
00:59:08.400 --> 00:59:10.719
I would just say something and it'd
be like, it's your fault. What

814
00:59:10.719 --> 00:59:14.480
do you You're the one that you
know what I mean? So you just

815
00:59:14.559 --> 00:59:22.039
learned to shut up? You know
what it was? H yep, I

816
00:59:22.159 --> 00:59:27.639
always do all right, feed as
well. We're closing in. Uh,

817
00:59:27.760 --> 00:59:30.039
let's go ahead and wrap up,
tell people where to reach us, and

818
00:59:31.079 --> 00:59:35.920
we may have to be pushing another
another another part for this one, because

819
00:59:36.239 --> 00:59:39.920
like I said, we really scratched
the surface. I mean we we really

820
00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:45.079
just picked out a few from each
decade and we didn't even really. Yeah,

821
00:59:45.440 --> 00:59:49.760
but we can definitely go further.
So yeah, I'm gonna make my

822
00:59:49.840 --> 00:59:53.119
notes and and but anyway, it's
rocket teasers or seven on Twitter? Uh

823
00:59:53.639 --> 00:59:58.400
you know, Gardner, I know
we we pay phone tag a lot.

824
00:59:58.800 --> 01:00:04.239
It's just life is growing, and
so much more is on our plates,

825
01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:07.159
and your life is growing, and
love is growing, and and mind is

826
01:00:07.159 --> 01:00:12.760
here with our women. And but
it's more with work and in school.

827
01:00:12.760 --> 01:00:16.000
It's just it's just pilot and piloting
on it. But I'm so grateful for

828
01:00:16.039 --> 01:00:20.079
the times that we are able to
get together and even if it's last man

829
01:00:20.199 --> 01:00:23.280
stuff. But we do a pretty
quick trend around whenever we, you know,

830
01:00:23.480 --> 01:00:27.920
have a topic that we can really
sink our teeth into. So you

831
01:00:27.960 --> 01:00:30.239
know, if anybody's listening, Yeah, something you want to talk about,

832
01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:36.280
just reach out and we'll bring it
to fruition. Iut I'm at one four

833
01:00:36.360 --> 01:00:42.679
four captain. That is my handle
on ex, Twitter, whatever the else.

834
01:00:43.639 --> 01:00:46.599
And in PJ. We want to
put your stuff out there. Yeah,

835
01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:52.440
just just hit me up on X
and on Instagram. Both are at

836
01:00:52.519 --> 01:00:57.559
PJ Polago. That's all. Thank
you for to taking care of stuff,

837
01:00:57.559 --> 01:01:01.559
Thank you for taking care of math
and uh, ladies and gentlemen, Russell

838
01:01:01.639 --> 01:01:08.480
Magic brings wrestling magically to you because
that's what we do, man, and

839
01:01:08.519 --> 01:01:13.800
we want to care. We just
want to have fun with wrestling. I

840
01:01:13.960 --> 01:01:17.480
too. All right, good night, gentlemen, all right, thank you

841
01:01:17.719 --> 01:01:22.360
pleasure and I'll see you guys very
soon. God bye, La. Guys,

842
01:01:23.840 --> 01:01:29.480
thanks for listening to the WWE podcast. Don't forget to subscribe on your

843
01:01:29.480 --> 01:01:35.320
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844
01:01:35.440 --> 01:01:39.159
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845
01:01:39.199 --> 01:01:45.440
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