WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:10.480 Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. These guys are your favorites, 2 00:00:10.880 --> 00:00:19.879 so like say subscribe and raid it. I'm stuck and me rights on yesterday 3 00:00:20.000 --> 00:00:27.879 and listening, oh watching lim always keep its watching. And now you're hosts 4 00:00:28.039 --> 00:00:33.840 Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay. Greetings, Bobo, Hello Cliff. What's 5 00:00:33.880 --> 00:00:40.719 happening man? Not much despite my general exhaustion and soreness and stuff. Been 6 00:00:40.719 --> 00:00:44.560 doing a lot of work on the property, taking down trees, running chainsaws, 7 00:00:44.600 --> 00:00:47.799 sloping ground. Blah blah blah blah blah. I still went walking in 8 00:00:47.840 --> 00:00:51.520 the woods yesterday, neighbor Gary, and I went walking in the woods around 9 00:00:51.520 --> 00:00:54.719 your house. No, no, no, I'm at one of the spots 10 00:00:54.719 --> 00:00:59.679 down down down the Clacamus River a bit so okay, yeah, one of 11 00:00:59.679 --> 00:01:03.719 our general locations. And it's nice to have a neighbor Gary along because he 12 00:01:03.759 --> 00:01:06.000 asked, hey, Cliff, do you mind if I take a rifle along 13 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:08.560 in case we see a mountain lion. They're thinking, oh, of course, 14 00:01:08.560 --> 00:01:11.599 he's all tagged up. He's a total legal hunter and everything like that, 15 00:01:11.640 --> 00:01:15.000 and in his mountain lion season all year long. I said, absolutely, 16 00:01:15.079 --> 00:01:18.400 you are more than welcome to bring a gun for the one thing in 17 00:01:18.439 --> 00:01:21.560 the woods that I'm afraid of. You may hunt the thing that hunts me. 18 00:01:21.840 --> 00:01:26.640 Yes, but we didn't see one. But we did find a footprint, 19 00:01:26.920 --> 00:01:30.280 and we may have found even a handprint underneath this low lying log. 20 00:01:32.120 --> 00:01:37.040 And the handprint corresponds nicely to the size that we would expect for a twelve 21 00:01:37.079 --> 00:01:40.879 inch footprint. How big is that? About the size of my hand, 22 00:01:40.920 --> 00:01:45.120 but thicker now. Of course, both of these were in super saturated soil. 23 00:01:45.200 --> 00:01:49.400 They were not fresh. Maybe they are from a person, although I 24 00:01:49.400 --> 00:01:53.599 think the people hypothesis is kind of tough on this one. The footprint was 25 00:01:53.680 --> 00:02:00.680 pretty eroded out again supersaturated soil, but there was at least one distinct toe 26 00:02:00.799 --> 00:02:06.840 with an excrusion, uh protrusion. I guess there's some exclusion between that toe 27 00:02:06.840 --> 00:02:10.240 and the other ones, so kind of eliminates the boot thing and what and 28 00:02:10.439 --> 00:02:15.560 I cast it kind of briefly, hosed it off pretty quick, and there 29 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:19.039 are suggestions of other toes like a little you know, maybe it's not, 30 00:02:19.159 --> 00:02:21.879 maybe it's not. It's not clear enough to say much about. And the 31 00:02:21.960 --> 00:02:28.280 handprint is kind of wonky looking, as sasquatch hands kind of are, but 32 00:02:28.400 --> 00:02:30.159 it's not that bad. It's not bad, you know. I'd say both 33 00:02:30.159 --> 00:02:35.520 of these are definite maybees in that sort of tradition. We're not getting super 34 00:02:35.560 --> 00:02:38.000 super clear stuff in this area, but we are getting kind of a lot 35 00:02:38.039 --> 00:02:43.000 of stuff that indicates they probably are around. So pretty cool. So it 36 00:02:43.039 --> 00:02:45.159 was nice to get out in the woods for the first time in a couple 37 00:02:45.199 --> 00:02:50.560 of weeks, and nice to know that our spots are still producing. Only 38 00:02:50.560 --> 00:02:53.360 walk two roads. So I was something with Todd dug up to the Go 39 00:02:53.560 --> 00:02:59.840 Road yesterday or two days ago, and those guys, I guess found prints 40 00:02:59.840 --> 00:03:04.159 and possibly a scat pile. So the day you didn't go, they found 41 00:03:04.159 --> 00:03:07.240 some stuff. Isn't that how it goes? You know, kind of stinks, 42 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:09.319 but well whatever whatever, are going to go out and take a look 43 00:03:09.319 --> 00:03:13.919 at them. Yeah, probably, Yeah, it's south west Aroun. I'm 44 00:03:13.919 --> 00:03:17.360 going to try to get out there possibly tomorrow. Yeah. Well I hope 45 00:03:17.400 --> 00:03:21.280 you do. Hope you do. That's kind of early for that. How 46 00:03:21.319 --> 00:03:23.719 far up the Go Road? I think, you know, like that. 47 00:03:23.319 --> 00:03:25.639 I'm not sure, but I think they're going up just you know, like 48 00:03:25.680 --> 00:03:31.560 that ten twelve mile area. Okay, okay, yeah, because that high. 49 00:03:31.639 --> 00:03:35.919 The ridges will probably be snowed in. I'm assuming, yeah, dude, 50 00:03:35.960 --> 00:03:38.319 yeah, spe snow a little bit tonight. It's just like an answer 51 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:40.479 to oh, yeah, yeah, the weather kind of came in. Was 52 00:03:40.479 --> 00:03:45.240 it nice there last week too? Oh dude, we had some beautiful days, 53 00:03:45.560 --> 00:03:47.680 so some melt off. Then at least it's cold. It's real cold 54 00:03:47.680 --> 00:03:51.479 again. It's gonna be in the thirties tonight here, which is on the 55 00:03:51.520 --> 00:03:53.919 beach. That's really cold for April. Well, I'm looking forward to getting 56 00:03:53.960 --> 00:03:57.439 out to Bluff this year. I'd like to get out there at some point, 57 00:03:57.520 --> 00:04:00.479 probably no earlier than July, just to see what's burnt and what's not. 58 00:04:00.599 --> 00:04:03.479 I want to see how far that fire went and what is still good 59 00:04:03.479 --> 00:04:08.919 and even though it's it's you know, devastating and horrible to look at and 60 00:04:08.919 --> 00:04:12.199 stuff like that. I did learn a lot about the Klacamus River basin by 61 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:14.879 by seeing what it looked like after it burned, because you can finally see 62 00:04:14.919 --> 00:04:16.480 the lay of the land, you know, dude, that's so true. 63 00:04:16.519 --> 00:04:20.040 Like there's so many places I've been like that's what this canyon looks like because 64 00:04:20.040 --> 00:04:24.600 it's just just some burnt stops around you know, you can see all the 65 00:04:24.600 --> 00:04:28.120 way out to Pire for you and it's it's yeah, it's like it's like 66 00:04:28.199 --> 00:04:32.000 old. It's like a pre light R. Yeah right, it's an analog 67 00:04:32.120 --> 00:04:39.040 light R. Yeah. Yeah, it's fight are fire. I found the 68 00:04:39.040 --> 00:04:43.040 same thing in Malala because we've been up to Malala together. That place is 69 00:04:43.079 --> 00:04:44.920 all burned out in too. It's like, oh wow, that's what the 70 00:04:45.240 --> 00:04:47.240 It's just crazy, it's just crazy. Well, you know, something else 71 00:04:47.279 --> 00:04:50.000 happened this week that I'm pretty excited about. So you know, we're doing 72 00:04:50.040 --> 00:04:55.399 the eight Canyon thing. Of course, last week on the members section, 73 00:04:55.439 --> 00:05:00.079 I even announced tickets available for our Bigfoot and Beyond members members sort of sort 74 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:02.920 of thing. So if you are a member of Bigfoot of Beyond, you're 75 00:05:02.920 --> 00:05:06.480 part of the Beyond Bigfoot of Beyond crowd, you can actually buy tickets to 76 00:05:06.519 --> 00:05:11.879 come hear Mark and Marcell speak and here perhaps our special guests. We have 77 00:05:11.920 --> 00:05:15.399 two nights in the nineteenth and twentieth and to help celebrate that, we just 78 00:05:15.439 --> 00:05:21.240 got in our special annual commemorative coin, we made Ape Canyon coins and I'll 79 00:05:21.240 --> 00:05:26.600 tell you, bobes, they are cool. They're a gold and silver not 80 00:05:26.639 --> 00:05:29.160 real gold and silver. They sure look like it though, gold and silver, 81 00:05:29.199 --> 00:05:30.480 and then we have the murphy on one side. On the backside. 82 00:05:30.959 --> 00:05:35.120 We change the design every year and this year says Ape Canyon Centennial across the 83 00:05:35.160 --> 00:05:40.560 top. It has a night twenty twenty four and the very bottom but also 84 00:05:40.600 --> 00:05:43.439 as nineteen twenty four right above it, because this is the one hundred year 85 00:05:43.439 --> 00:05:46.519 anniversary of the Eight Canyon events. If you want one, there's only a 86 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:48.160 limited number of them. You can get them at the NABC store. But 87 00:05:48.279 --> 00:05:53.480 man, I'm of course going to give you and maybe even Matt one that'll 88 00:05:53.480 --> 00:05:56.720 make mind Less special. If you give them one too, You're right, 89 00:05:56.800 --> 00:05:59.360 You're right, So Matt will get one and you won't, is what you're 90 00:05:59.360 --> 00:06:02.120 saying. The other thing I need to mention, of course, is for 91 00:06:02.199 --> 00:06:05.720 our new listeners. You may want to know that if you are tired of 92 00:06:05.759 --> 00:06:10.959 hearing advertising that doesn't seem like it applies to you, you can now listen 93 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:14.879 to Bigfoot to Be On with no ads whatsoever. All you have to do 94 00:06:14.959 --> 00:06:16.199 is become a member, and if you want to be a member, there's 95 00:06:16.199 --> 00:06:20.000 a link in the show notes, and there's also a website Bigfoot to Be 96 00:06:20.040 --> 00:06:24.399 On podcast dot com. Go there, hit the membership keys and we'll set 97 00:06:24.399 --> 00:06:27.279 you up there. Well enough talking from us. I mean, the reason 98 00:06:27.319 --> 00:06:30.879 everybody's here to listen today is because we have Heather Mosure on. Is it 99 00:06:30.920 --> 00:06:33.480 Mosure and by the way, or is its not Mosser? No, it's 100 00:06:33.560 --> 00:06:36.560 Mosure. You got it. Yeah, we have Heather Mosure on today. 101 00:06:38.040 --> 00:06:42.160 She is the host of the small Town Monsters podcast called the Lor you know, 102 00:06:43.000 --> 00:06:46.680 and she's really she has her her fingerprints all over. I think most, 103 00:06:46.839 --> 00:06:49.839 if not all, of the small town monster stuff. I know Heather 104 00:06:49.959 --> 00:06:54.199 on a personal level because we've been to the woods, I've done some filming 105 00:06:54.199 --> 00:06:57.519 for small Town Monsters. She's always been lurking around behind and I don't even 106 00:06:57.519 --> 00:07:00.199 know what else she's into. I know she's cool as all get out that 107 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:01.759 she has a lot of weird experiences, and that's why we invited on the 108 00:07:01.800 --> 00:07:05.680 podcast today. So Heather, thanks for coming on. Hey, Heather, 109 00:07:06.079 --> 00:07:11.720 I'm so excited to be here. Really why because I love talking with you. 110 00:07:11.800 --> 00:07:14.800 It's always a good time. Yeah. I saw this when we were 111 00:07:14.839 --> 00:07:18.720 filming the Momo movie. Yeah, I've got a it's amazing. As much 112 00:07:18.759 --> 00:07:21.360 as my daughter has grown, I have an awesome picture of you two with 113 00:07:21.360 --> 00:07:26.800 my daughter, and she's about to be thirteen next week. Wow, it's 114 00:07:26.839 --> 00:07:30.040 been a few years. Yeah, so I think it's fair to say that 115 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:31.560 we've we've played a pretty important role in her life. I guess, right, 116 00:07:31.879 --> 00:07:39.920 yeah, absolutely, of course. So Heather, we're going to get 117 00:07:39.920 --> 00:07:43.120 to your podcast eventually, of course. But how long have you been in 118 00:07:43.120 --> 00:07:47.240 this like the weird critter monster game for lack of a better term, well 119 00:07:47.399 --> 00:07:53.959 for small town monsters specifically. I've been involved since Momo. That was the 120 00:07:53.959 --> 00:07:57.720 first movie that I got to work on. But I've always been interested in 121 00:07:57.839 --> 00:08:01.959 I mean, it's like the lifelong love of the strange and unusual, going 122 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:07.680 back to whenever I was younger and watching like Unsolved Mysteries on TV, huge 123 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:13.319 fan of that. Grew up with some weird stories that my parents would tell 124 00:08:13.360 --> 00:08:18.879 me, and there's just always always something that caught my attention. But then 125 00:08:18.920 --> 00:08:22.680 as I got older and got into college, I would find ways to try 126 00:08:22.680 --> 00:08:26.199 to integrate some of the weird and unusual into my studies because I was a 127 00:08:26.240 --> 00:08:31.480 classics major, so Latin literature, things like that. It's always been there, 128 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:35.039 And I started to look into cursed objects and that led me to the 129 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:41.000 bell Witch, which then eventually led me to getting involved with small town monsters 130 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:43.559 because Seth had announced that they were going to be doing something on the bell 131 00:08:43.639 --> 00:08:48.279 Witch and I said, hey, I've been looking into this. I don't 132 00:08:48.320 --> 00:08:50.960 know if you need a researcher, but I'm pretty well versed on that legend, 133 00:08:52.039 --> 00:08:54.200 so if you need any help, let me know. And he said, 134 00:08:54.279 --> 00:08:56.000 yeah, actually I do. Let's start you with Momo first though, 135 00:08:56.080 --> 00:09:01.120 and see how it goes. So we started with Momo, then Mockman Legacy 136 00:09:01.159 --> 00:09:05.600 was after that, and then the bell Witch. So so you said that 137 00:09:05.639 --> 00:09:07.879 your parents would tell you weird story. Was it weird stories about things that 138 00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:11.759 happened to them? Well, so, I mean I grew up not far 139 00:09:11.799 --> 00:09:16.320 from where I live now is Minerva, Ohio. So with the story of 140 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:20.639 the Minerva Monster, growing up hearing about Bigfoot in the area, it kind 141 00:09:20.639 --> 00:09:24.759 of was just a thing, you know, like nobody questioned whether Bigfoot existed 142 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:28.360 or not. It's just bigfoots out there in the woods type situation. So 143 00:09:28.399 --> 00:09:31.639 I grew up with that. But the stories that I grew up with were 144 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:37.519 from mostly from my mother talking about the farmhouse that she grew up in as 145 00:09:37.600 --> 00:09:43.440 a young girl and how it was supposedly haunted. And she found that out 146 00:09:43.519 --> 00:09:48.840 because one Christmas, my grandmother had bought the bought her kids a Ouigi board. 147 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:52.639 Does she not like you like? Why would she do that? She 148 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:58.600 bought them all a Oigi board, and my mom loved it. My aunt, 149 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:01.240 on the other hand, was terrified of it and demanded that it be 150 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:07.480 burned, and eventually my grandmother did burn the board. But anyway, before 151 00:10:07.519 --> 00:10:09.799 it was burned, they were on it for a little bit and it said 152 00:10:09.799 --> 00:10:11.879 that there was a spirit in the house and the spirit's name was Elizabeth, 153 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:16.960 and that she lived in my mother's room, which Mom thought was pretty cool. 154 00:10:16.600 --> 00:10:20.679 And they didn't really have any activity that happened necessarily while they lived there. 155 00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:24.919 But when they went to move out a few years later and they were 156 00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:30.559 going through the old deeds to the house, they actually found Elizabeth's name on 157 00:10:30.559 --> 00:10:33.240 one of the deeds, which was odd because of how old the house was 158 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:37.840 to even have a female's name on the deed to begin with. But anyway, 159 00:10:37.039 --> 00:10:41.320 once they sold the house, it went through a series of owners. 160 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:45.840 It would change hands pretty often, and the people that would sell it after 161 00:10:45.879 --> 00:10:48.720 that would cite things that were happening in the house, like they couldn't keep 162 00:10:48.919 --> 00:10:52.120 light bulbs on. Light bulbs would just burst, or they'd turn off, 163 00:10:52.279 --> 00:10:56.279 or they'd see things on the stairs, and they just had an uneasy presence. 164 00:10:56.279 --> 00:11:01.600 And that continued for I believe because I went back through some of the 165 00:11:01.639 --> 00:11:07.240 records at the local courthouse. So that went on for probably ten to fifteen 166 00:11:07.320 --> 00:11:09.519 years before it got in the hands of a family who owns it now currently, 167 00:11:11.480 --> 00:11:13.720 and they haven't had any well, they've had things happen, but not 168 00:11:13.879 --> 00:11:18.840 enough to move out by any means. So I just grew up with that 169 00:11:18.919 --> 00:11:26.120 story of Elizabeth and the Ouiji board and yeah, all the haunted stuff happening 170 00:11:26.200 --> 00:11:30.320 there, and always thought that was interesting, along with the bigfoot stuff. 171 00:11:30.559 --> 00:11:33.480 Yes, along with the bigfoot stuff. Yeah. Now, of course we'll 172 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:35.759 get to that a little while because I know a little bit about the background 173 00:11:35.759 --> 00:11:37.600 of where you live and things like that. But before we move on to 174 00:11:37.639 --> 00:11:41.559 any future things here, So you studied Latin, yes, Now, now, 175 00:11:41.759 --> 00:11:45.799 first of all, say something cool Latin. For us, we didn't 176 00:11:45.919 --> 00:11:48.600 learn to speak Latin. We'd learned to translate it. No, but you 177 00:11:48.639 --> 00:11:50.159 must feel like a cool phrase or two. I mean, I mean, 178 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:54.600 I can say just Solway is hello. But other than that, I don't 179 00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:58.879 really know any phrases. No VDVDVICH. You know, well, that's what 180 00:12:00.039 --> 00:12:03.000 I'm looking for. I'm not I'm not I'm not asking for conversational Latin because 181 00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:07.320 you know that that doesn't exist. Really. I was looking for something cool, 182 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:09.440 like you know, you don't get what you don't poop for or something 183 00:12:09.480 --> 00:12:11.919 or something like that, you know, like some sort of snazzy's saying yeah, 184 00:12:13.159 --> 00:12:16.240 so that vidy bdbach would work. I came. I saw I conquered 185 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:20.279 that Caesar's quote, Julius Caesar's quote. That's the first one off the top 186 00:12:20.320 --> 00:12:24.279 of my head. It's been a while because that was something that I haven't 187 00:12:24.360 --> 00:12:28.720 gotten into in a few years now, since I graduated, once I started 188 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:31.000 in STM stuff, I haven't really looked at Latin much. Well, you 189 00:12:31.039 --> 00:12:33.720 know, i'd like to. I'd like to think that Big Fing to Beyond 190 00:12:33.720 --> 00:12:37.039 as a podcast that the guests kind of walk away thinking, well, that 191 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:45.639 was challenging to be on. We'll see I'll let you know. Well you 192 00:12:45.639 --> 00:12:48.279 said b dvdvch. It reminds me of that was that robot's name on that 193 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:54.440 Buck Rogers that TV series in the seventies Beat I think it was Beat. 194 00:12:54.559 --> 00:12:58.559 He spoke like that bd bd bet that's real. So am I Bobo? 195 00:12:58.399 --> 00:13:01.840 So am I? So ghost stuff in your past, bigfoot stuff in your 196 00:13:01.840 --> 00:13:07.440 past. And then somehow or another you stumbled upon the Small Town Monsters gang 197 00:13:07.480 --> 00:13:09.879 of misfits, and you've been kind of dragged along on their adventures ever since. 198 00:13:11.720 --> 00:13:16.279 Absolutely. Yeah, and it seems like my role keeps expanding. I 199 00:13:16.279 --> 00:13:20.519 mean it goes from like with Momo and Seth asked me to start helping. 200 00:13:20.639 --> 00:13:24.919 It was literally just find me, give me a list of names of people 201 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:28.279 that I could potentially interview, and so just handing a list over to stef 202 00:13:28.399 --> 00:13:33.159 to Now I'm the one contacting people and setting stuff up. I've now the 203 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:39.759 role of producer and then have the podcast of course, and now we've launched 204 00:13:39.799 --> 00:13:43.919 a publishing company and I'm the editor for the books, and it's just more 205 00:13:43.919 --> 00:13:46.960 stuff all the time, and it's been pretty awesome. It does seem that 206 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:52.399 Small Town Monsters is blossoming into much more than a small production house. So 207 00:13:52.440 --> 00:13:54.440 I know you guys have a podcast, now you say a publishing house as 208 00:13:54.480 --> 00:13:58.639 well. Yeah, we've got Small Time Monsters Publishing, and we're actually getting 209 00:13:58.679 --> 00:14:03.080 ready to release our fourth book, which is Hunting Grounds by Aaron Deese. 210 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:09.240 It's about dog man encounters in the land between the Lakes of Kentucky. Do 211 00:14:09.279 --> 00:14:16.120 you do any nonfiction though, uh uh uh huh. Yeah. We had 212 00:14:16.120 --> 00:14:18.320 the Kinderhook Creature and Beyond. If you want to stick with Bigfoot type stuff, 213 00:14:18.399 --> 00:14:22.039 Kinderhook Creature, we did that. That was one of our first books. 214 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:26.879 Did you did you find good witnesses for the lbluh? Yeah. One 215 00:14:26.960 --> 00:14:31.240 of the best witnesses that we've spoken to for LBL was Martin Groves. He 216 00:14:31.320 --> 00:14:41.200 had an encounter and pretty it's always it's always interesting to listen to his encounter. 217 00:14:41.279 --> 00:14:45.399 You can tell that there's still a lot of emotion there that has shaken 218 00:14:45.480 --> 00:14:50.360 him from whatever he did experience. It still bothers him to this day and 219 00:14:50.399 --> 00:14:54.679 that becomes pretty obvious whenever he starts to recount his story. So I'd say 220 00:14:54.679 --> 00:14:58.639 Martin Groves is one of the best interviews that we've had from that area. 221 00:15:00.320 --> 00:15:03.480 Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right 222 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:15.159 back after these messages, podcasts, publishing house, movie production. Thing you're 223 00:15:15.200 --> 00:15:18.759 doing live events. Monsterfests is coming up again. I see, Yes it 224 00:15:18.840 --> 00:15:22.480 is, Yes, it is, and we are very excited about it. 225 00:15:22.519 --> 00:15:30.200 We were very excited and anxious, just because there's always anxiety levels mixed with 226 00:15:30.279 --> 00:15:35.000 something like an event like that. But we're pretty thrilled to have it come 227 00:15:35.039 --> 00:15:39.279 back to Canton, you know, have something near home, because that was 228 00:15:39.320 --> 00:15:43.679 something that was lacking. So nice to have something at home. Ohio has 229 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:46.840 more than his fair share of conferences and festivals and all that other stuff, 230 00:15:46.840 --> 00:15:52.279 but there's really nothing up in that neck of Ohio. So I got to 231 00:15:52.360 --> 00:15:54.279 appear at it last year, and it has a lot of fun, especially 232 00:15:54.600 --> 00:15:56.440 for a first year conference. I'd say, you guys killed it. He's 233 00:15:56.559 --> 00:16:00.840 absolutely killed it. But I cannot in the level of stress that must go 234 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:07.679 on behind the scenes, with all those moving parts and different people and times 235 00:16:07.759 --> 00:16:11.320 and events and speakers and egos and tables and money changing hands and all that 236 00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:15.840 stuff must be absolutely ridiculous. How do you manage it all? I mean, 237 00:16:15.879 --> 00:16:18.919 you have kids too? Yeah, yeah, I've got three little ones. 238 00:16:18.879 --> 00:16:22.000 Well they're not little anymore, I guess, but three kids, and 239 00:16:23.320 --> 00:16:26.960 I don't know when it's all said and done. We sleep for like a 240 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:30.320 week, you know, just go into hibernation for a while. But it's 241 00:16:30.440 --> 00:16:36.399 just a lot of a lot of projects going at once and having to really 242 00:16:36.840 --> 00:16:40.799 section off your time. You know. Time management is important. Okay, 243 00:16:40.919 --> 00:16:44.120 enough time management, let's get back to dog Man. When was the first 244 00:16:44.159 --> 00:16:48.440 person you heard about that? Do you like? We're like, this could 245 00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:52.720 be like really something. Well, that has to go back to when we 246 00:16:53.159 --> 00:17:02.000 filmed Skinwalker Hall of the Ruguru. Yeah, talking with people that had experiences 247 00:17:02.080 --> 00:17:04.079 down there, and the ones that really stick out to me are the ones 248 00:17:04.160 --> 00:17:07.400 that say that when they had their encounter, the best thing that they can 249 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:12.839 equate it to is Anubis. I always find that intriguing. But the one 250 00:17:12.920 --> 00:17:18.039 that down in Louisiana that sounded or that had the encounter that looked like Anubis. 251 00:17:18.160 --> 00:17:22.599 What she had done was her grandfather had been tilling a garden and as 252 00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:27.720 he was tilling, he pushed up some Native American artifacts, and as a 253 00:17:27.759 --> 00:17:32.000 young girl, she was curious about it. So she grabbed some and took 254 00:17:32.039 --> 00:17:36.400 them back into her room. And even though her grandfather said, don't disturb 255 00:17:36.400 --> 00:17:37.839 anything, I'm going to put it all back and we'll just make the garden 256 00:17:37.920 --> 00:17:42.319 somewhere else. She took some pieces, went back to her room, and 257 00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:47.680 over the next five nights, every night that she would go to sleep or 258 00:17:47.720 --> 00:17:52.720 attempt to go to sleep, this thing would show up in her door that 259 00:17:52.839 --> 00:17:56.279 she said, look like Anubis or later she was able to equate to Anubis, 260 00:17:56.319 --> 00:18:00.880 because at the time she didn't really have an equivalent for it, but 261 00:18:00.960 --> 00:18:03.279 it would show up in the door and kind of speak to her and tell 262 00:18:03.279 --> 00:18:06.519 her you need to put this back. You're kind of disrespecting your ancestors here. 263 00:18:07.359 --> 00:18:10.160 And she ignored it for a few days, and then on night four 264 00:18:10.279 --> 00:18:14.519 or five, it actually got up next to her bed, and she said 265 00:18:14.519 --> 00:18:18.359 that that's when she finally took it seriously because that was a little too close 266 00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:22.160 for comfort, and she ended up putting it back and then she never had 267 00:18:22.160 --> 00:18:25.440 an experience again, which is different. I mean, that's still different than 268 00:18:25.480 --> 00:18:29.519 the typical dog Man encounters where people are out in the woods and see a 269 00:18:29.599 --> 00:18:33.400 creature and they're absolutely terrified. But that's still one that stuck with me. 270 00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:37.599 So what's your personal opinion on that, Like, after having researched it and 271 00:18:37.759 --> 00:18:42.640 talked to these people with dog Man, that is, with really any of 272 00:18:42.720 --> 00:18:47.319 these witnesses it's difficult for me to say that they didn't have an experience, 273 00:18:47.559 --> 00:18:52.440 right, especially whenever they're recounting their experience and they're very emotional. I am 274 00:18:52.519 --> 00:18:56.279 not one to tell them that they didn't experience what they think that they experienced. 275 00:18:57.720 --> 00:19:03.079 When it comes to dog Man, it just seems like it's got to 276 00:19:03.119 --> 00:19:06.839 have some sort of supernatural aspect to it. I think because of this idea 277 00:19:07.039 --> 00:19:11.599 that people get this feeling they get of absolute evil. It's one of the 278 00:19:11.680 --> 00:19:14.759 only cryptids when we're talking about the world of cryptids that I can think of, 279 00:19:14.839 --> 00:19:19.240 where people unanimously hate it, like are just terrified of this thing. 280 00:19:21.240 --> 00:19:22.839 You don't hear that necessarily with some of the other cryptids. I mean, 281 00:19:22.920 --> 00:19:30.359 there can be terrifying encounters, of course, but nothing that's almost universally terrifying 282 00:19:30.880 --> 00:19:33.319 as it is with dog Man. But some of the other things that people 283 00:19:33.440 --> 00:19:40.039 talk about they've encountered with it, like there's odd sounds that they hear right 284 00:19:40.119 --> 00:19:44.119 before seeing one. Of course, the impending sense of dread and doom. 285 00:19:45.240 --> 00:19:52.599 Just the creature itself physically, how it could exist, to me, lends 286 00:19:52.680 --> 00:19:56.000 it more to a paranormal type realm for a dog Man and you're digging around 287 00:19:56.039 --> 00:19:59.799 about dog Man, you know, your research, behind the scenes stuff. 288 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:03.000 What's the oldest account that you've ever run across that you deem to be credible? 289 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:08.319 Ah? Wow, Well that's tough to say, because when you start 290 00:20:08.359 --> 00:20:12.559 to go back, you end up in like werewolf lore, which can go 291 00:20:12.680 --> 00:20:15.319 back even as far as the ancient Greeks. As far as that goes, 292 00:20:15.359 --> 00:20:19.240 But then what is credible right as far as what stories are true? Well, 293 00:20:19.279 --> 00:20:22.240 here in North America, how about that? I'm not sure what the 294 00:20:22.279 --> 00:20:27.920 oldest one. I mean, recently, my mind is still stuck on some 295 00:20:29.039 --> 00:20:33.920 of the books that Aaron has written, like dogmyan Territory and or the Texas 296 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:37.160 Dogy and Triangle, And there were some from the eighteen hundreds in there where, 297 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:44.279 But those those are also not necessarily the quintessential dog man of something walking 298 00:20:44.359 --> 00:20:48.759 up on two legs. There's a more like hyena like which I would think 299 00:20:48.599 --> 00:20:53.039 aren't beyond their almal possibility either for seeing something that might be like a hyena 300 00:20:53.119 --> 00:20:57.240 that got loose. So I don't know, the eighteen hundreds, probably yeah, 301 00:20:57.240 --> 00:21:00.599 because I think Lauren Coleman I could be wrong. I thought I saw 302 00:21:00.640 --> 00:21:04.240 it, and maybe I am I don't know. I thought Lauren wrote somewhere 303 00:21:04.240 --> 00:21:08.559 that the dog man thing wasn't really prevalent until Linda Godfrey started writing her books. 304 00:21:10.279 --> 00:21:14.000 Well, the term wasn't for sure, the term dog man wasn't wasn't 305 00:21:14.039 --> 00:21:17.559 relevant until Linda Godfrey and that she kind of put that on the map with 306 00:21:17.640 --> 00:21:19.920 the Beast of Bray Road as far as that goes. But before that, 307 00:21:21.200 --> 00:21:25.920 I mean, if you start looking at what dog man looks like and the 308 00:21:25.960 --> 00:21:30.960 way that people explain their encounters, it's still it overlaps with what would people 309 00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:34.240 would consider a were wolf. And so you got to think of, like 310 00:21:34.319 --> 00:21:38.119 the lexicon at the time, if people are having experiences, if dog man 311 00:21:38.200 --> 00:21:41.480 wasn't really a term that was out there, they're using the next closest thing 312 00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:45.400 that they can think of, which would be a were wolf. So with 313 00:21:45.920 --> 00:21:49.759 what other sort of strange critters besides dogmen or sasquatches or even ghosts. I 314 00:21:49.759 --> 00:21:53.680 guess since you've had some tangential experiences with those, or maybe even personal experiences 315 00:21:53.720 --> 00:22:00.160 of those, what's of some of the odder the stranger Cryptid said, you've 316 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:03.359 had the pleasure of doing research on, Well, we had the Jersey Devil, 317 00:22:03.839 --> 00:22:08.519 which is quite an amalgamation of things. Even though when we did that, 318 00:22:10.119 --> 00:22:14.480 we didn't do the typical aspect of our documentaries like normally do. Like 319 00:22:14.519 --> 00:22:17.480 we didn't go out and find witnesses to the Jersey Devil. We went into 320 00:22:17.559 --> 00:22:22.759 a more historical aspect of things. But the Jersey Devil itself is pretty weird, 321 00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:29.640 pretty weird creature. I don't know. We go into UFOs and those 322 00:22:29.720 --> 00:22:36.400 can get really weird as far as the contact with aliens go on personal things, 323 00:22:36.519 --> 00:22:38.160 not just small town monsters, but in other things that I've researched. 324 00:22:38.200 --> 00:22:45.039 There's a story not too far from here about a pig lady. They can 325 00:22:45.279 --> 00:22:51.000 they call her the pig Lady, and the idea is that she's a spirit 326 00:22:51.119 --> 00:22:56.599 that has a pig head and she manifests every once in a while over near 327 00:22:57.480 --> 00:23:03.119 not far from Colombiana County, Ohio, which isn't far from here. I'm 328 00:23:03.720 --> 00:23:07.279 close to Pennsylvania. But these creatures that are the mix of things, like 329 00:23:07.400 --> 00:23:15.200 right now I'm looking into goat man sightings, so the ones that are anthropomorphized 330 00:23:15.279 --> 00:23:18.359 a little bit, those are ones that I find really interesting. Well, 331 00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:22.200 allways, research you've done, like you know, you guys are looking at 332 00:23:22.279 --> 00:23:26.480 like you know, like obviously monsters, like the scary aspects of a lot 333 00:23:26.519 --> 00:23:30.079 of things. Have you personally done any research for you, like you think 334 00:23:30.160 --> 00:23:34.319 that this missing person case is attributable to you ENCRYPTID. No, I haven't 335 00:23:34.359 --> 00:23:40.240 done any research that I've thought this has got to be at related situation, 336 00:23:41.359 --> 00:23:47.119 not saying that it's not possible with certain things, but I haven't come across 337 00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:49.599 anything that's been like that. Not yet. Anyway, we haven't really gone 338 00:23:49.640 --> 00:23:53.319 down I mean we did Land of the Missing, but I mean a lot 339 00:23:53.319 --> 00:23:59.160 of people go missing in Alaska as far as that goes, so it's hard 340 00:23:59.200 --> 00:24:03.559 for me to say that that necessarily attributed to ENCRYPTID. What do you think 341 00:24:03.200 --> 00:24:07.720 I think? I think that sasquatches are definitely responsible for some missing people. 342 00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:12.680 Not not a huge percentage, but yeah, like Alaska and Northern Canada, 343 00:24:14.279 --> 00:24:18.920 I think it's the percentage of them that are dangerous goes up considerably just because 344 00:24:18.920 --> 00:24:22.640 of the the how rod is up there and how I mean just bleak it 345 00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:26.359 is and dead of winter, late winter. I mean, those things are 346 00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:30.119 they got to eat and they were walking around out there, so we'd probably 347 00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:33.279 a pretty easy meal to grab. Times are tough. Yeah, if that 348 00:24:33.400 --> 00:24:37.960 makes sense. Now, speaking of sasquatches, you also have the pleasure of 349 00:24:37.039 --> 00:24:41.920 living on or near, at least at one point in your life a property 350 00:24:41.240 --> 00:24:47.920 where sasquatches were frequent visitors. Yes, yeah, And the things have kind 351 00:24:47.960 --> 00:24:52.839 of quieted down on the farm, specifically because we had oil and gas pipelines 352 00:24:52.880 --> 00:24:56.319 come in and cut down. I mean, I'm guessing that this is part 353 00:24:56.319 --> 00:25:00.920 of the reason that it's died down. Cut down a large portion of the 354 00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:04.720 woods and then dig up the ground, and things have quieted down over the 355 00:25:04.839 --> 00:25:10.720 last year or so since they left. So I'm hoping that we get some 356 00:25:11.319 --> 00:25:15.799 activity again. But I don't know if we were just lucky and that things 357 00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:19.680 happened to be traveling through during the few months that we were filming the Bigfoot 358 00:25:19.720 --> 00:25:26.720 project or what. But that was specifically on the farm. But recently there 359 00:25:26.839 --> 00:25:33.920 was a sighting actually in Carroll County on a road that if you remember when 360 00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:38.079 I took you out to where my parents live and we went out on the 361 00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:44.119 woods there and we heard this howl or what sounded like a howl. There 362 00:25:44.200 --> 00:25:48.359 was a sighting there recently, within the last couple of weeks actually on just 363 00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:51.599 over the hill from there. It was on one of the roads that I 364 00:25:51.680 --> 00:25:56.119 took you guys on when you were here. So stuff is still happening in 365 00:25:56.160 --> 00:25:59.200 the area. No, I think that was. I think that was how 366 00:25:59.319 --> 00:26:00.559 I think that was one of them. It's like one of these rare, 367 00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:06.319 not unheard of, but rare daytime vocalizations, and we just happened to have 368 00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:08.079 had the cameras running at the time. I think that was a solid hit. 369 00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:12.279 Yeah, that was. It was pretty awesome. But yeah, stuff 370 00:26:12.319 --> 00:26:18.440 still happening there in that area for sure, because the sighting was a road 371 00:26:18.519 --> 00:26:22.160 crossing sighting. Oh yeah, I think that there are probably residents there, 372 00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:26.240 you know, they're just the locals, you know. So but what about 373 00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:30.480 that that other property where like Seth saw one and all that other stuff. 374 00:26:30.680 --> 00:26:33.839 How did that come on your rate? I mean, I know you lived 375 00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:34.359 there for a while. I don't know if you still do or not. 376 00:26:34.720 --> 00:26:42.640 How did that start? So that was family property and we had just moved 377 00:26:42.799 --> 00:26:49.559 there in August, I believe, and it was I don't remember what year 378 00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:52.839 it was at this point, but a couple of years ago, but it 379 00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:56.319 was August when we moved in, and I had a friend fly in from 380 00:26:57.039 --> 00:27:02.079 she was in Oregon at the time, from Oregon to visit, and we 381 00:27:02.160 --> 00:27:07.839 had gone out into the woods and she wanted to do like a paranormal investigation, 382 00:27:08.599 --> 00:27:11.039 and she was getting uneasy in the woods, so she made us go 383 00:27:11.119 --> 00:27:15.799 out into the field. So when we were out in the field, I 384 00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:18.720 just I was getting kind of bored because I'm like, this doesn't seem like 385 00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:23.039 an investigation of any sort right now. I'm like, let's just let me 386 00:27:23.119 --> 00:27:29.720 play this Ohio how that I've that I've heard before on my phone, which 387 00:27:29.799 --> 00:27:34.279 was recorded in Columbiana County, just the next county over. So I played 388 00:27:34.319 --> 00:27:40.039 the howl and we got a return howel back And that was kind of the 389 00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:44.599 beginning of that, And coupled with the fact that when we first moved here, 390 00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:48.400 this farm is on three hundred acres and it's a mix of fields and 391 00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:53.519 woods. But what I would do when we first moved here was I would 392 00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:57.319 take different rocks and crystals and things and I hid them around the woods with 393 00:27:57.440 --> 00:28:00.640 the idea that when my kids got old and they were exploring, that they'd 394 00:28:00.680 --> 00:28:06.359 find these little treasures. So after we had that experience with the howl, 395 00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:10.680 I went back out to one of the places where I had kept my crystals, 396 00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:14.920 and one of the crystals was gone and in its place was a vertebrae. 397 00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:18.680 I'm guessing a dear vertebrate based on the size of it. And I 398 00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:23.279 immediately called Seth and I'm like, you're not gonna believe what's going on here. 399 00:28:23.400 --> 00:28:26.799 But you know, we had this howl a few nights ago, and 400 00:28:26.079 --> 00:28:30.000 now this crystal's gone and there's a vertebrae in the plate in its place, 401 00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:33.640 and I was already picking it up and looking at it, and he of 402 00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:37.640 course was like, don't touch it. I'm like, too late. I 403 00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:41.559 already sorry. I already picked it up. But what would happen over the 404 00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:47.920 next few weeks then, is that the different crystals and things they would get 405 00:28:47.960 --> 00:28:49.920 moved, they wouldn't disappear like that one. The one that disappeared was actually 406 00:28:49.960 --> 00:28:53.319 gone for about a month, and then it was returned in the exact same 407 00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:59.480 place, except it was covered in mud, which was really weird. But 408 00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:03.160 well, I told Seth about this, and he said, well, let 409 00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:04.799 me come out with a camera and see what I can see. You know 410 00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:11.319 what happens here, And that's how the Bigfoot project was born, and especially 411 00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:15.119 the very first episode. You can see a lot of the activity that occurred 412 00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:19.599 one of our first nights here, and I think that a lot of that 413 00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:22.799 was attributed to the fact that we had our kids at the back cabin, 414 00:29:25.240 --> 00:29:27.200 and I think that they were kind of interested and intrigued by what was going 415 00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:32.000 on with the children, especially because that seemed to be one of the most 416 00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:37.079 activity. Most active nights that we had were when the kids would be around. 417 00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:41.799 Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be 418 00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:51.720 right back after these messages. Now, when you say the back cabin, 419 00:29:51.839 --> 00:29:55.079 is that the one that was on the road, or there's another cabin pretty 420 00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:57.759 far out by a little pond. Yeah, that cabin. That's that cabin, 421 00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:00.559 the one that I'm talking about. It is the back cabin, the 422 00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:04.039 one that's by the pond. That's where we had all of our activity. 423 00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:07.720 That's a pretty good distance from the main house too, if I remember correctly, 424 00:30:08.359 --> 00:30:11.079 Yeah, it is. I know when I had an opportunity to visit, 425 00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:15.480 I was doing the Ohio big Foot Conference a handful of years ago, 426 00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:18.920 and I was invited out by you all to come spend a few days out 427 00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:22.400 there and do some filming and stuff. I don't I don't. Did you 428 00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:25.440 ever use all that? I don't even know. Yes, we did. 429 00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:29.200 I was very impressed with the property. I mean, it's it's excellent Bigfoot 430 00:30:29.200 --> 00:30:33.119 habitat for that part of the country is very typical, you know, just 431 00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:37.920 a mixture of huge, wide open fields with pockets of woods that are all 432 00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:42.720 kind of entertangled together with various you know, green belts connecting this area to 433 00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:48.319 that area, and deep ravines and just rolling hills. It's pretty amazing stuff. 434 00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:52.400 It was a really neat place to visit. It's pretty nice out here. 435 00:30:52.759 --> 00:30:59.119 I like the variation in the topography. And yeah, I liked when 436 00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:03.720 I when I took you out to where I grew up, and you had 437 00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:07.319 mentioned that it was like a box canyon type situation. I believe is the 438 00:31:07.480 --> 00:31:10.480 terminology you used. Yeah, that place is squatchy as all get out. 439 00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:14.839 That place is nuts like that. That's if I lived anywhere near there, 440 00:31:14.839 --> 00:31:17.640 That's where I'd be going, you know. Weekly. See I need to 441 00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:19.400 get seth on that because he hasn't gone and stayed the night out there yet. 442 00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:22.920 But I just go walk up during the day and look, you know, 443 00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:26.079 just train yourself to track and start tuning your eyes. Just go out 444 00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:30.359 there as much as you can. That one canyon that we walked up where 445 00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:33.799 we happened to get that vocalization. I don't think you need to go anywhere 446 00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:36.279 else. I mean, they're probably they're not there all the time, obviously, 447 00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:37.799 but they'd be there some of the time. So I know, I 448 00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:41.559 know Seth saw one on the property. Has anyone else observed a sasquatch on 449 00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:45.119 that big farm land that you live on, No, not that I'm aware 450 00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:48.640 of. If they did, it was before we moved here. So I 451 00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:53.160 saw that one while they were out filming b roll and I was at the 452 00:31:53.240 --> 00:31:57.160 main house watching the kids, and he came back to the house. I 453 00:31:57.240 --> 00:32:02.039 was just so excited about what he'd seen, and you could see a little 454 00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:06.200 bit was caught on film, but it was one of those situations where it 455 00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:07.599 was far enough away that it just looks like a little blob, you know, 456 00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:13.720 going across the screen. But yeah, he was fortunate enough, and 457 00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:16.200 as far as I know, the only one that's seen anything here right now, 458 00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:20.559 Small Town Monsters probably has a handful of projects going. I know that 459 00:32:20.680 --> 00:32:22.799 there's you know, Eli was just here at the Museum a few weeks ago, 460 00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:28.680 film and some stuff for this thing. Yeah, I mean all the 461 00:32:28.720 --> 00:32:31.000 minions are out doing whatever they do, and Seth included. I think Seth 462 00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:36.480 himself is a minion. What's an exciting project that you're working on that you 463 00:32:36.519 --> 00:32:39.720 can talk about, Well, we are working, like you said, we're 464 00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:45.160 working on a handful right now. Or we're getting ready to go to North 465 00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:50.079 Carolina and film the next installation of on the Trail of Bigfoot. This one's 466 00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:54.160 going to be called The Ancients. So I can't talk about that one too 467 00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:58.680 much in depth because primarily because we haven't shot it yet. But that's the 468 00:32:58.759 --> 00:33:02.279 one that's on my radar most heavily at the moment. But we're also simultaneously 469 00:33:02.359 --> 00:33:08.759 working on Cryptid goat Man, So I'm still scouring for goat man encounters or 470 00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:13.440 storytellers who can tell us about goat man in the area, because that seems 471 00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:16.920 to be something that is spread out through the United States. Everybody, every 472 00:33:16.960 --> 00:33:22.680 state seems to have its own little goat man legend somewhere. And then we 473 00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:28.079 had the Thomas Mantel project, which is going to be called Lost Contact. 474 00:33:28.599 --> 00:33:32.039 We're filming that in bits and pieces and that took place in Kentucky. Franklin, 475 00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:38.039 Kentucky's where Thomas Mantel crashed after chasing a UFO. He lost control of 476 00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:44.240 the plane and ended up dying as a result of it. When was that 477 00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:47.839 That was in nineteen forty eight. It's touted as the first one of the 478 00:33:47.920 --> 00:33:52.960 first instances of the military going after a UFO and then of course it unfortunately 479 00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:58.920 resulted in his death. But yeah, that was around Franklin, Kentucky is 480 00:33:58.920 --> 00:34:02.880 where he passed away, And that was in nineteen forty eight, And we 481 00:34:04.039 --> 00:34:08.239 just recently got back from a trip where we had interviewed some original witnesses actually, 482 00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:13.119 so they were very young at the time, but they remember the crash 483 00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:17.400 itself, and that was something very interesting. Is there plane wreckage still out 484 00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:24.400 there in the woods somewhere? So supposedly the government came in and recovered everything. 485 00:34:24.559 --> 00:34:29.199 But then there's also this story, like it's a there's two different stories. 486 00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:31.760 One that the government came in and reclaimed everything, especially the large pieces, 487 00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:35.960 Like there's no doubt that the large pieces of the plane were recovered and 488 00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:39.000 taken somewhere, probably right Patterson Air Force Base, but we're not sure. 489 00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:45.840 But then there's another story that large sections of it, like the little pieces 490 00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:50.440 of debris and stuff, but still a decent amount we're just put into a 491 00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:53.920 pit and buried, and so we're trying to find out if that's true as 492 00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:58.760 well. I like the historical stuff. Some of my favorite things that are 493 00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:01.559 done out there are the researches that are tangentile to you know, in my 494 00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:06.719 case, sasquatch or whatever weird thing you're into. But when it touches on 495 00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:09.960 history like that and there's remnants kind of left behind for people, you know, 496 00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:14.559 I think that's probably one of the coolest things about this kind of work 497 00:35:14.599 --> 00:35:17.039 at least. Yeah, that's I mean, even something like when we did 498 00:35:17.079 --> 00:35:21.599 the Bell Witch. It was interesting because the bell Witch story is still being 499 00:35:21.639 --> 00:35:25.159 talked about, but you can go and see the remnants of the homestead where 500 00:35:25.280 --> 00:35:29.840 the Bell family lived. Even though that story was from the early eighteen hundreds, 501 00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:31.519 you can still see bits and pieces of it. And I agree. 502 00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:37.280 I love when you can correspond these stories with some stuff that's left in modern 503 00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:39.519 day. It kind of brings history home a little bit. It kind of 504 00:35:39.559 --> 00:35:44.159 grounds it into our own lives and connects us because really history wasn't that long 505 00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:47.679 ago, you know, like eighteen hundred wasn't really that long ago when it 506 00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:52.639 comes down to it. But you know, for for at least my sake, 507 00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:54.199 and I'm assuming a couple of our listeners as well, can you tell 508 00:35:54.239 --> 00:36:00.199 us about the Bell Witch? Sure? So, in eighteen seventeen, in 509 00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:02.320 a place that's now known as Adams, Tennessee, it's in Robertson County, 510 00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:07.039 Tennessee, there was a family that had recently moved from North Carolina, the 511 00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:13.960 Bell family, and they lived in a cabin on a nice area of farmland. 512 00:36:14.840 --> 00:36:16.960 And one day the patriarch or the family, John Bell, was out 513 00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:24.159 checking the fields and he saw supposedly this creature that was half dog half rabbit, 514 00:36:24.280 --> 00:36:27.599 as in it had a dog's body, but the head of a rabbit 515 00:36:29.079 --> 00:36:32.440 disturbed him. He shot at it disappeared so and it's not clear whether it 516 00:36:32.559 --> 00:36:36.920 just like disappeared in a puff of smoke or if it ran away or whatnot, 517 00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:39.440 but either way, he didn't kill it. Shortly after that happened, 518 00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:45.960 his children started to see weird things like oversized birds, odd things out in 519 00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:51.639 the fields as well, and pretty soon they all started hearing like scratching on 520 00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:54.760 the walls of the cabin, gnawing on the bedpost at night, and of 521 00:36:54.800 --> 00:36:58.760 course we're talking the early eighteen hundreds, so it's not like they had electricity 522 00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:02.119 at the time. They would light their candles or lanterns to see what was 523 00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:06.360 making the sounds, and whenever the lights would come on, then the sounds 524 00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:10.559 would stop. This went on for quite some time until they started to invite 525 00:37:10.599 --> 00:37:14.760 people over, like the neighbor, to try to help them figure out what 526 00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:17.320 was going on. And they invited the one neighbor, James Johnson, over 527 00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:23.039 and he started to hear these sounds, and he out loud had demanded that 528 00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:27.880 whatever this thing was creating these sounds, that it let itself be known. 529 00:37:28.840 --> 00:37:32.599 Once he kind of demanded that, then whispers started, just disembodied whispering, 530 00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:38.199 and eventually the whispering became clear enough that it started talking. And this entity 531 00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:45.440 starts explaining that it's there to punish John Bell, and it doesn't care for 532 00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:50.320 John Bell, never explains why, just says that it's there to punish him, 533 00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:54.800 and subsequently does continue to torture him over the next few years, and 534 00:37:55.039 --> 00:38:01.599 his daughter, Betsy Bell, the oldest daughter, tortures the family gives so 535 00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:06.239 many sleepless nights, it becomes quite a story. People come from all over 536 00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:09.920 the country to experience the Bell Witch because people would come in and they'd let 537 00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:15.239 neighbors and strangers come in and stay on their property, and they would actually 538 00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:21.639 experience the voices and things moving across the room and whatnot, you know, 539 00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:28.159 typical poltergeist activity. And this went on until December twentieth of eighteen twenty. 540 00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:31.679 John Bell had been getting ill and had gotten worse and worse, and on 541 00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:37.639 the twentieth he did not awaken, and next to his bed they found a 542 00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:45.760 vial of dark liquid that was half empty, and the witch, supposedly her 543 00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:50.519 voice, came out and said that she had fixed him that night. She 544 00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:53.400 made sure that he was dead, that was her doing, and sure enough 545 00:38:53.480 --> 00:38:58.920 he was gone. The story goes that to figure out what the what the 546 00:38:59.159 --> 00:39:00.239 was in the vial, they took a drop of it and gave it to 547 00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:05.000 the cat, and the cat subsequently died as well, so they knew that 548 00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:09.360 it was poison. But she sang and carried on and was very joyous at 549 00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:16.000 his funeral as well, and the next spring made sure that Betsy knew that 550 00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:21.840 Betsy could not continue on with her engagement that she was in at the time 551 00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:25.000 with a man named Joshua Gardner. She kind of threatened Betsy and said, 552 00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:28.840 if you continue down this path, you know, remember what I did to 553 00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:32.679 your dad, The same thing will happen to your fiance. So she breaks 554 00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:37.559 the engagement with him and then ends up marrying somebody else and eventually moves away. 555 00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:40.639 But in a nutshell, that's the story of the Bell which it goes 556 00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:45.440 on from eighteen seventeen to eighteen twenty one, and supposedly she comes back around 557 00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:51.360 eighteen twenty six and talks to the oldest Bells son, John Bell Junior, 558 00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:57.000 and gives him predictions of the future, like predicts World War one and World 559 00:39:57.039 --> 00:40:00.039 War two, and just reminds me of it. Not her damis in a 560 00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:05.320 way as far as her predictions go. But then she disappears. She was 561 00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:07.400 supposed to come back in one hundred and seven years, and as far as 562 00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:12.119 we know, she never really came back. But the story is that she 563 00:40:12.320 --> 00:40:19.800 still can be irritated and agitated and haunts the area today, but not in 564 00:40:19.880 --> 00:40:22.480 the same way that she did with the family. She's not killing anybody by 565 00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:27.639 any means, but she will get upset if disrespected. Well, I get 566 00:40:27.679 --> 00:40:30.920 that irritation thing. People can be pretty hard sometimes. So the podcast, 567 00:40:31.480 --> 00:40:35.519 how did that start? Because you're doing it and I didn't even know about 568 00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:37.599 it, and I've just seen everyone swile on Twitter or something like that, 569 00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:40.360 and oh, look at that. How many episodes in are you? We're 570 00:40:40.440 --> 00:40:44.480 over forty episodes in at this point. We did have to take a break. 571 00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:45.960 We started it a couple of years ago, and then we had to 572 00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:51.639 take a break because we lost our showrunner. So until we got somebody else 573 00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:53.960 to come in and kind of produce the episodes, all of the podcasts and 574 00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:58.360 the network kind of took a break for about a year. Did the Witch 575 00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:01.480 get them? Yes, yep, exactly. He had. He was disrespectful 576 00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:09.719 and so but yeah, we're forty three episodes in at this point, I 577 00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:16.400 believe. Yeah. And the idea started with Seth had said he wanted to 578 00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:22.559 come up with some new shows, and I threw out the idea of the 579 00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:27.920 lore you know is based on the more you know? Yeah, thank you, 580 00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:32.039 and he said, yeah, let's make it an interview show and bring 581 00:41:32.119 --> 00:41:36.840 people on and talk to them, and so that's what it is. It's 582 00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:44.880 a story a Storyteller's podcast, storytellers and folkloris. I like to just talk 583 00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:47.119 to people about stories and ask them. At the end of each episode, 584 00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:52.280 I said, can you tell me a story and see what they've got. 585 00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:54.760 So the rest of the time we talk about, well, what they're what 586 00:41:54.880 --> 00:41:59.320 they have done, their personal experiences, and the encounters that they have had. 587 00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:02.719 Because it still is an STM podcast, so it is related to you 588 00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:07.760 know, Bigfoot or Mothman or any of these cryptids that we've covered, and 589 00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:15.800 or the paranormal or their researchers that maybe didn't have personal experiences but have had 590 00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:21.280 plenty of stories told to them by people, and so we we dive into 591 00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:23.400 that for the episode, and then at the end I asked them to tell 592 00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:27.719 me one of their stories. So here's a question for you. Would you 593 00:42:27.840 --> 00:42:34.719 rather be trapped in a house with Seth or Eli for one week? Oh? 594 00:42:34.840 --> 00:42:37.159 My, for a week? Can't leave? All your groceries are there? 595 00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:43.880 That's I guess the Geneva conventions. Well, Eli will hate that. 596 00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:49.280 It probably Seth because listen, I've been trapped with Eli in places and if 597 00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:52.280 I have, like you're talking about a week's worth of groceries. The groceries 598 00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:54.079 wouldn't last. Eli would just eat them all. Oh he's a grown boy 599 00:42:54.199 --> 00:42:59.960 man. Yeah, Seth would at least share where would like when we were 600 00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:06.039 in Alaska the first night that Eli joined us, I had leftovers in the 601 00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:10.039 fridge and the next morning they were gone because Eli had been hungry and just 602 00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:13.719 went in. He didn't even know who they were. He just ate leftovers. 603 00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:21.400 Awesome as whoop. Yeah, So I'd probably stay with Steth for the 604 00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:24.199 week over Eli. But Eli's great too. You just got to watch your 605 00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:28.559 food, That's all, you know. We featured Eli and the most recent 606 00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:34.000 museum member video. He came out, he was filming whatever he was doing 607 00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:37.719 or whatever. We went out because somebody heard vocalizations the night before at this 608 00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:39.639 place up by Lolo pass Road that a lot of stuff happens up there. 609 00:43:40.039 --> 00:43:43.639 So we went up there and walked around in the snow and it was terrible 610 00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:45.119 and stuff. But I'll tell you what, man, The thing about Eli, 611 00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:47.920 I respect, and I respect like all the small town monsters. People 612 00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:50.880 are great, you know. Don't get me wrong. There's not one of 613 00:43:50.960 --> 00:43:53.039 you that I don't enjoy spending time with. Every one of you guys. 614 00:43:53.119 --> 00:43:57.119 Great. I don't know how how any of you guys got so lucky to 615 00:43:57.199 --> 00:44:00.119 be involved in such a wonderful Muppet production like you do. You know. 616 00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:07.320 But the thing about Eli that I respect or anything is that it's the poncho 617 00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:09.760 and the hat. Uh huh. Yeah, Like I couldn't wear that. 618 00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:13.599 Bubba, Well, Bubba might be able to, but I couldn't pull that 619 00:44:13.719 --> 00:44:16.960 off. Yeah, neither. It's Eli thing for sure. I've got photos 620 00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:22.159 back in the eighties pulling that off, no problem, do you. Yeah, 621 00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:24.159 well, tell me about that. The group of guys like Health, 622 00:44:24.199 --> 00:44:29.599 we always buy ponchos down when we went to Baja. We always get ponchos 623 00:44:29.719 --> 00:44:31.400 because we love the good, the bad, the like all those Clint Swood 624 00:44:31.400 --> 00:44:37.519 movies where you wore the poncho. Sure so yeah, the Hiarachi's surf trucks. 625 00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:40.360 I speak on behalf of all of our listeners that we demand to see 626 00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:44.159 those pictures as soon as Bottle I can find I can find some. Oh 627 00:44:44.199 --> 00:44:52.079 my god, I would love that she didn't Jackie live. Stay tuned for 628 00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:55.159 more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back after these 629 00:44:55.199 --> 00:45:05.079 messages. What's next for you there? Heather, like, what's going on? 630 00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:07.119 Like, what are you looking forward to next? I know you're working 631 00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:09.280 on a lot of things, but it has to be a lot more than 632 00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:12.360 a work for you. I mean, you must enjoy this sort of thing. 633 00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:14.880 What's really got you going right now? What are you extoked about? 634 00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:20.079 Well, I'm really excited about monster fests coming up for one, just to 635 00:45:21.039 --> 00:45:23.679 hopefully we have a turnout like we did last time. So I'm excited about 636 00:45:23.719 --> 00:45:29.480 that coming up. But I am really jazzed about this ancient shoot to get 637 00:45:29.559 --> 00:45:32.920 back to the area around Cherokee, North Carolina. That's a place that I 638 00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:36.679 got to visit a lot whenever I was younger, but i haven't been there 639 00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:38.639 in quite some time. So I'm excited to go back there. And that's 640 00:45:39.320 --> 00:45:43.679 pretty much the next big the big thing to look forward to for me. 641 00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:46.119 Are you usually on the shoot? Are usually out in the field with everybody? 642 00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:51.199 I'm usually on the shoot. It depends on the situation as so whether 643 00:45:51.239 --> 00:45:54.360 I'm out in the field or if I'm back at the Airbnb helping conduct interviews, 644 00:45:54.719 --> 00:45:58.280 because sometimes sets out in the field and so I'm the one to running 645 00:45:58.280 --> 00:46:01.320 the interviews back at the pat the house. Else so it just depends on 646 00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:06.800 this particular shoot. I'm still getting the schedule together. It looks like there's 647 00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:08.159 going to be at least a couple of days where I will be running the 648 00:46:08.199 --> 00:46:12.400 interviews while Seth is out in the field. And how many days does it 649 00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:15.079 take to make a standard feature? And your features are about an hour, 650 00:46:15.159 --> 00:46:20.599 aren't they? Yeah, they're anywhere from like eighty to ninety minutes on average. 651 00:46:20.960 --> 00:46:22.079 Oh so okay, it's an hour and a half or so. Then 652 00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:25.119 okay, and how long does it take to shoot all that on average? 653 00:46:25.119 --> 00:46:29.559 I know that everyone's different, you know, And I know that. Yeah, 654 00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:32.880 Well, for the larger project like this one is going to be about 655 00:46:32.920 --> 00:46:37.440 a five day shoot where we're trying to get them shorter and shorter, so 656 00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:45.639 just because it's harder to get away from the kids for longer shoots, like 657 00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:49.400 once upon a time when we did Alaska, we were there for seventeen days, 658 00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:52.760 and that's just not realistic anymore with our little ones. Do you guys 659 00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:55.960 ever have stuff happening at base camp when you're filming out like on the Bigfoot 660 00:46:55.960 --> 00:47:00.280 stuff, especially throughout the woods, and like they're out filming in the was, 661 00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:02.280 like you're back at base camp, you know, like organizing stuff. 662 00:47:02.320 --> 00:47:07.280 Do you guys ever have something happening like rocks thrown or knocks or whoops or 663 00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:13.440 anything like that. Uh, that hasn't happened too often. I mean Set's 664 00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:15.199 been out and had some things happen when he's out in the field, But 665 00:47:16.039 --> 00:47:20.039 as far as like with the rest of us, no, we haven't. 666 00:47:20.119 --> 00:47:24.800 Really. The most that's occurred back at base camp would have been more like 667 00:47:25.480 --> 00:47:30.000 paranormal type stuff, which everybody dismisses. It seems like except me, what 668 00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:35.840 have happened paranormal base camp? When like, what were your filming where we've 669 00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:40.039 had things like it sounds like doors slamming or people walking upstairs or something like 670 00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:45.400 that when there's no one else in the house and everybody just kind of shrugs 671 00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:47.000 it off or oh, it must have been whatever and they don't really want 672 00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:51.039 to talk about it. But where they just look at me and kind of 673 00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:54.840 shake their head like it's your fault. Yeah, like somehow it's my fault, 674 00:47:54.920 --> 00:47:57.840 or oh, you're just gonna take this and run with it or whatever. 675 00:47:57.920 --> 00:48:00.000 But I'm like, listen, I'm not. It's not like I dropped 676 00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:02.280 everything and say Okay, guys, let's investigate. I just kind of like 677 00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:07.960 like that something happened and we move on. But I just sometimes I wish 678 00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:10.800 that more would occur so that we wouldn't have so many naysayers on the crew 679 00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:17.039 with paranormal stuff. But does that suck that you're with people that don't like 680 00:48:17.119 --> 00:48:20.320 that you're working on a project like that. They didn't think it's real, 681 00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:23.079 right if we're doing paranormal stuff, they're totally out on that, it seems 682 00:48:23.159 --> 00:48:27.519 like for the most part. And we don't really get to work on paranormal 683 00:48:27.559 --> 00:48:30.519 stuff very often, but when we do, it's a lot of the people 684 00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:34.559 on the crew are not too keen on that. I feel like I should 685 00:48:34.559 --> 00:48:39.400 apologize to you for that. Bobo apology accepted. Well, Heather, we're 686 00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:43.679 just about out of time here. And so if people want to check out 687 00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:47.119 what you're doing, what Small Town Monsters in general is up to why your 688 00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:51.360 podcast of course is a great thing. So you can for people to listen 689 00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:52.920 to because they can hear directly from your mouth the things you think and the 690 00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:57.440 things you've investigated and talked to people about called the lor you know work and 691 00:48:57.480 --> 00:49:00.840 people can get that. Probably the same podcast platfor they listen to this one 692 00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:06.360 right absolutely, and small Town Monsters. Are you guys still exclusively on YouTube? 693 00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:09.519 No, we do have a lot of our stuff on YouTube, of 694 00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:15.239 course, but we you can find us on two B. You can find 695 00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:22.039 our movies on Amazon. We actually are getting ready to launch something called Unexplained 696 00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:28.440 TV, which will be a fast channel that certain distributors will be picking up 697 00:49:28.519 --> 00:49:30.639 and then it'll just be a channel that you can turn to that's just STM 698 00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:36.119 all the time, twenty four hours a day. So if people keep a 699 00:49:36.239 --> 00:49:40.199 watch on Small Town Monsters or a newsletter whenever that comes out to different platforms, 700 00:49:40.239 --> 00:49:44.239 we'll put that out there and people can watch Small Town Monsters twenty four 701 00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:50.280 hours a day. Holy crap. Congratulations on all the progress forward. You 702 00:49:50.360 --> 00:49:53.599 know, clearly I'm way out of touch. You guys are just everywhere. 703 00:49:53.639 --> 00:49:58.800 So congratulations to you and the entire team. That's fantastic. Thanks other I 704 00:49:58.840 --> 00:50:01.320 appreciate you showing up. Let's been a little more spooky and creepy in the 705 00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:06.360 members section. Coming up now, we'll do a bonus episode here for our 706 00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:09.000 Patreon members. All right, folks, Well, thanks to Heather Moser for 707 00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:13.760 joining us and We're gonna get a little creepy with her in the beyond Bigfoot 708 00:50:13.840 --> 00:50:17.039 Beyond for our members, So until next week, y'all, keep it beyond 709 00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:27.679 Squatchy. Thanks for listening to this week's episode of Bigfoot and Beyond. If 710 00:50:27.719 --> 00:50:30.760 you liked what you heard, please rate and review us on iTunes, subscribe 711 00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:35.840 to Bigfoot and Beyond wherever you get your podcasts, and follow us on Facebook 712 00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:39.840 and Instagram at Bigfoot and Beyond podcast. 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