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Hello, everyone, Welcome back to
the fire Scape Cast. It is episode

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seventy eight. I'm Mike. Here's
always with Mary. Hello and Daniel.

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Hello. What's about a formal name? Daniel? It's on the birth certificate.

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Yeah, yeah, Daniel. What
is security? That's a two.

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I shouldn't do that on a podcast. So, yeah, whoever were you

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about to give a fake one?
Whatever happened if you were giving a fake

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one? Here's the question. Yeah, or rather not a fake one.

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If you were going to give one
that is not yours and ended up being

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someone else's, that someone used to
steal their identity, would you be an

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accessory? No, he's just an
idiot. It's totally not connected. You

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can't be connected to that. That's
giving a random person like a phone number.

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Like anytime a girl gives a dude
a fake phone number and then she's

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like liable he calls them. That's
not that's not her fault universe. That

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is guessing a social security number.
Yeah, you can't do that. Yeah,

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that was someone's that. Yeah.
It reminds me of there's like one

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of my favorite Simpsons quotes where he
goes to the bathroom and mister Burns's house

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and he comes back like twenty minutes
later, and they're like, did you

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find the bathroom? And he's like, yeah, he just did. It

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take him a while to find it. He just is somewhere, but somewhere

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in the house that wasn't a bathroom. Just it's a smart show, Mike.

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You wouldn't know very high brown.
Interesting. My favorite bit in The

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Simpsons after watching it when you guys
forced me to was when I don't remember

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the plot point, but there was
people coming out of a courthouse and a

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bunch of reporters were asking questions.
Supposedly Conan wrote this one other reporters who

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just clearly did not do his homework, came up to like the defenders,

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like who are you and what are
we doing here? It is a really

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good bit. We're in rough shape
tonight, I think, Dan, I

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know you're not feeling well. I
just I told you you two. I

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went from not really traveling much outside
of weddings and leisure stuff every now and

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then to my first month at the
new job, which is going really well,

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but all of a sudden, it
was Stockholm for a week, Puerto

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Rico for a wedding, San Francisco, and then I came back for two

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days to the East Coast and then
flew back to San Francisco and then got

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back yesterday from Santa I was surprised
to see see you with the San Francisco

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stuff on your Instagram recently, was
like, he's still there from GDC,

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but I know you went there and
went back. It was to the point

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where I was almost considering staying that
last weekend instead of coming back and then

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flying back. But Amanda and I
had like data versary plans, and I

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was like, I need to reset
a bit. Despite the fact that it's

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two more flights. I don't mind
traveling, it's just don't like flying.

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Did you play Blatro in the flight
the Best Flight You? No, I'll

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tell you I but I will.
Actually I had this prepared because I played

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a lot more Vampire Survivors. I
mean, I already played a shit ton.

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I'll talk more about it during the
game section. I still think Vampire

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Survivors is the King of King or
Queen of flight games. Blatro is fantastic,

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and yes I did play a lot
of it, but I think Vampire

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Survivors takes the takes the crown.
Vampire Survivors is dead long live blatro of

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playing Survivors Killer. Sorry, no, I'm trying to think. I actually

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it's funny. I'm to the point
now where turbulence doesn't disturb me that much

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anymore. It's still unpleasant, but
it doesn't mess with me as much.

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However, on the way to San
Francisco for the second trip, if you're

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living in the Midwest, you probably
had a blizzard like a week ago,

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and then if you were on the
East Cost, you had flooding and a

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lot of high winds. Both of
those combined to contribute to maybe the worst

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turbulence I've ever had in my life
over like Chicago on the way back to

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SF. In the sense that shaking
is fine, that doesn't bother me.

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It's when you feel the plane kind
of like lift and then drop suddenly,

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or drop and then lift suddenly,
like this is not natural, or it

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just feels like like the engine like
you're just falling all of a sudden's like

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that's not in the thirty thousand feet
however high you are. And then I

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don't know if that's accurate at all. I'm tired. On the way back,

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I somehow got even worse turbulence landing
at Newark. I don't know what

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was going on yesterday, but we
were in a It was my first time

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flying Alaska. I don't know if
that has anything to do with it,

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like maybe they are planes. I
mean it was just a Boeing. It

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was a seven thirty seven, so
it's not a plane I've never flown on

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before. But it was one of
those things where I start overthinking the landing

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because the plane is tilting, and
I find that when you're sitting close to

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the wings that's when the turbulence is
worse. So the plane the wings were

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just like going lopsided every five seconds. And then when we're landing, I

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was like, there's no way this
big of a thing going this fast cannot

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like you know, fast and furious
on the runway when it lands and just

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flip and we're always fine. But
that's the thing I get into when I'm

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on planes that often. But uh
yeah, hoping, uh like fucking France

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is better when I fly there in
a month. I've never worried really about,

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like, you know, any kind
of plane crashing thing or anything.

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It's always just been my own head
in anxiety and not being able to get

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up and move around thing. But
lately I've been having this thing because I

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got all the crazy TMJ issues with
my invisline throwing my bite off. So

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it's like my ears constantly feel feel
full, like my ears always need to

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pop, and my sinuses always feel
really fucked up, like behind my nose,

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like everything like inside my head feels
like pressure. And then I last

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few flights I've been on, it
just feels like it's just mounting and mounting

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and mounting, and it never goes
down. So I'm like spending the whole

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like flight to and from Boston like
trying to blow my nose basically to pop

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my ears, and nothing will work. And it's just like I'm googling can

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your sinuses explode? Like can your
ear drums explode? Plate? And they're

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like a bunch of people, like
so like a bunch of people having that

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the same feeling, and it's the
fucking worst. And I've got a flight

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to Europe probably coming up here in
the near future, and I'm just like,

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oh God, I'm gonna you know, a dozen plus hours or whatever.

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Plugging your nose and closing your eyes
and blowing lightly until they pop doesn't

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work. That doesn't do nothing now
with my current situation. No, but

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I also had sucked up yours grown
up and everything, and I have tubes

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of my ears grown up and everything. So it's just a whole bad situation

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there. And now the TMJ stuff
is just making everything fucked up in my

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head. So that like the tm
jpart, because you're you're probably feeling like

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pressure in your jaw as well.
The jaw hurts. Yeah, yeah,

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that's that's awful. I mean,
just like a physical like jaw hurting thing

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that's not as like concerning as like
feeling like a balloon is inflating inside my

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like behind my eyes and nose,
and it's just like pains, like,

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oh God, when is this gonna
stop? Think you also have allergies because

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it's spring, right, like spring
has sprung us. I think that a

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lot of people are starting to get
that compacted with all the other stuff going

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on. I never found I don't
think I've ever had allergies, and I've

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never had this particular thing to this
level, so I think it's all just

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tied the envisiline. Mike, you're
asking about the medicine thing, and yeah,

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I saw a and t's I've seen
dentists and doctors about this, and

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like they say, like a spray
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beforehand it should help. But yeah, I went in and uh because my

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dentist said, like, go to
a physical therapist and there's like exercises that

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they can do to like help reduce
the pressure or whatever. And so yesterday

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I went into a physical therapist and
they put six fucking needles in my face

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and ears and just lay there seven
minutes on each side, and they're like

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turning needles around in my fucking skull. Have you is that the first time

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you've done acupuncture? It wasn't technically
acupuncture. I've had acupuncture. I've tried

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that. This is like trigger point
stuff, which is I think it's a

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very similar. Let's say, isn't
that what acupuncture is just on your back

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and torso and what not. It
might just be that like a branding thing,

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like I think in a like physical
therapist office, this is Jimmy the

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needle guy. It's a totally different
service. Yeah, yeah, this is

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sharp James. Yeah. Watch,
I'm gonna come get you now, get

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you good. But anyway, I
am not a situation it's very legitimate medical

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issue. No, you know,
it seems like the same thing because like

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I've tried acupuncture for anxiety. I
don't know how much I subscribed to it

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really because I didn't really notice anything, but it feels very similar to this

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trigger point stuff. I think it's
just if the place wants to brand itself

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as like, hey, we're a
serious like medical place, they'll say this

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is trigger point injections or dry needling
u And if it wants to be kind

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of like more new age, you
know, holistic medicine stuff, they'll say

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it's an acupuncture. But it feels
like the same thing to me. It

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Actually that did feel pretty good.
Yeah, I yeah, Like I said,

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I haven't really felt it with the
anxiety stuff as far as any real

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effects, but I also didn't do
it for a long time. But it

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does feel like like when the needles
go in and they're turning and stuff,

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it does feel like there's some release
going on. And then they're also doing

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a bunch of just like massaging and
things like that with the actual like muscles,

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and yeah, I'm gonna get another
round before I get on a plane

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on Wednesday. So Sharks, I've
have heard that for TMJ, like you

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can do it yourself as well,
and like massaging your jaw. I do

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it because I also have so I
also have a VISI line, and I

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also have jaw issues that stemmed from
just the stress that I was putting on

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my own jaw. And I think
I've told you this before, but you

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know, like I can't have gum, Like I don't chew gum. My

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dentist basically told me as like a
personal tip. He was like, just

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don't chew unnecessarily. He's like,
unless you're eating food because you're really hungry

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and need to, don't do it. Don't chew ice, don't chew gum.

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Uh, don't chew like hard candy
or gumsuck gummy candies that are gonna

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like irritate your jaw. He's like, stop it. And so I kind

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of altered some of the food and
candies that I would eat so that I

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wouldn't irritate my jaw or like overuse
my jaw. Essentially, Yeah, there's

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all those things you got to watch
for where it's like it was really flaring

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up last week and I heard about
how the foods can can really have an

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effect on that I realized, really, oh, I got this new super

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crunchy Cereal I've been having every morning, and then a fan gave me a

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giant bag of Starburst and a bunch
of other candies at packs, and I've

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just been like going to town on
starbars after lunch and dinner both those days,

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and like maybe that had something to
do with it. Can we in

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BacT to super crunchy Cereal? It's
like extra crunchy most of all all cereals,

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like they don't have Captain soft,
you know what I mean? Like

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they're all supposed to be pretty crunchy. Yeah, but like flags, are

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you know, flanks you get through
pretty quick? Or is that this is

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like like you hear it across the
room crunchy. Yeah, it'll fuck your

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teeth up. Yeah, I've heard
Steven Spielberg and Richard Dreyfus have had jaws

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issues as well. What kind of
foods were you saying actually make your jaw

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worse? Mary? You said,
okay, so chewy stuff makes the TMJ

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worse hard, Like, okay,
I'll give you some examples. Really tough

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bread. Have you ever had like
bread that's like and it's not bad,

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it's good crunch, but like a
yeah, like a you know, the

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kind of bread where you had to
like kind of rip it and like grind

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it down, like I try and
eat more like soft rolls now and stuff

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like that. I know this sounds
weird, but like I cognitively think about,

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like, oh, is that going
to be like tough for me to

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like break down with my teeth and
I will I try and avoid foods like

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that now. So the chewier something
is, the more it will exacerbate the

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TMJ problems afterward. Is that what
you're saying or totally just like grind that

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makes it sore afterward? Totally have
you ever had dinner and then you're just

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like I'm trying to think of like
like a good example because it's there's lots

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of good foods that do this,
but even like a like a big thick

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steak that's like kind of chewy and
really chew it down a little bit right

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to but I didn't pizza is a
good one, say ja are, But

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TMJ issues are separate from just sore
jaw muscles. Correct it. No,

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they can be connected, but TMJ
is usually a connection with like you are

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you have irritated your jaw, and
now your jaw is overly stressed because you're

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over using it or you've like put
too much stress on it, and so

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now when you're not using it and
you're going to bed, you're like,

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wait, why is my jaw locked
it? That's almost like, yeah,

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I've had that on rare occa.
I don't think it's like a severe for

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me, but almost, yeah,
maybe think about like, you know,

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since November, my bite has been
changing like every day, So every time

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I bit if and like going in
a different direction, so it's getting all

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fucked up. But then like all
the stuff that's around it, and that

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neighbor, like the EU station tubes
you know that are going through your sinuss

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up to your ear drums and stuff
like that totally gets aggravated and the suddenly

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you're getting the U station tube dysfunction. That's so it's just like it's not

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just like your jaw hurts or whatever. It's just and you get these crazy

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like headaches that I've never felt that
are just going straight down the middle of

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my head, and you know,
the pre it's it's so much more than

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just like I used to think it
was just like oh jaw, it's sored

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clicks or whatever. But yeah,
it's you got like eight things going on

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simultaneously, which sounds really stressful.
Do you ever do you ever treat yourself

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to a non uh in visile line? And I every once in a while

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used to do that you're not supposed
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treating myself this Saturday to no invisi
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because there's no pressure on my teeth
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I've I've tried to like keep them
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part of why I'm having so much
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told me that I could switch them
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was very like four days on the
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through this as fast as possible.
And then lately it's been like no,

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it's like a week is like the
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tell me that, like, oh, if they're like loose after four days,

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you could do it. But they
have not been loose once. They

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have been gripping my vice grip the
whole time. I have been changed.

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Wonder if you're pushing yourself too hard, Like this isn't like getting a master's

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in one year. Like you're fucking
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into spaces that they don't want to
be really quickly. That sounds a little

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torturous, honestly. Yeah, it's
like I'm backing off now. I'm going

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like over a week on each one. Now I'll go longer if it's not

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gonna be Yeah, I wouldn't.
I think that you're a good lesson in

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that. I also listen to what
I I We've talked about this. I've

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done VISI line twice because I was
I was bad, and I stopped using

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my retainer on the second round.
I was like, I'm treating myself to

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two weeks for each retainer, taking
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I don't want to go to bed
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I want to go to bed like
a regular person who enjoy a ways their

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life. You seem like the things
you're doing is like being on like an

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extreme diet where you're like, I
will lose forty pounds in ten days,

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and it's like the body is not
meant for this, and the body is

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not meant for your teeth to shift
locations within two weeks. It's just not

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like you're pushing yourself. Dude.
It wouldn't it be cool if you could?

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Yeah, it would be cool.
Anyway. How's your fucking jaw head?

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Yeah? But his teeth look amazing. He can't hear uh out?

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Yeah anymore? Left eyes blind?
It is blind in one eye. Teeth

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teeth are fucking glamorous. I've got
diarrhea for some reason. Yeah, that's

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just probably unrelated. That's just the
food you eat. Oh. I literally

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this weekend, I've box out of
town and I have literally only eaten this

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weekend h two separate probably sixty dollars
worth of Taco Bell and a full Little

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Caesar's Peace with two packs of Crazy
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and Taco Bell for the last three
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from bank and eat your way out
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no, cause it's like I don't
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food is I I just get meal
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so it's like I have access to
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It's not like you know, we
eat different stuff. It's not like,

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oh, she's gone, so she's
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I could just eat my normal stuff. But yeah, I don't know.

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I streamed like both nights, and
when I stream, I typically do

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like, you know, get to
the garbage food or stuff and I dream

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it's a chee yeah, yeah,
yeah, And so I just went the

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bonkers on that this weekend. But
yeah, it's not great. I always

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think when I am home alone,
I also go into grimlin mode, but

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not in the same way. What
I'll end up doing is is I like

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have like a pack of frozen vegetables
in the freezer, and I'll just nukem

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for thirty seconds and eat a bag
of frozen peas like a sad person.

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What you say that like, it's
like the most unhealthy thing ever. It's

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like, I mean, they're frozen
things. But what I'm saying is is

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like it's not a balanced meal.
I'm eating frozen vegetables out of a bag

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with a fork, And that is
to me, it's hard to describe or

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justify, because I do think it's
very odd. But to me, when

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I am alone and there's no one
to impress or there's no socialization happening.

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Food is strictly fuel, and so
I'm like, oh, I'm hungry,

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what's the easiest, closest, whatever
thing that will make my stomach stop being

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annoying, and it will be like
whatever I have around, and I will

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just consume that and move on with
my life. When I'm socializing, I

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want big, fun meals and I'll
cook or whatever. But when I am

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alone, I just eat whatever gets
me to the next stage. I just

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don't care. It's kind of a
weird thing. It's fun giving her self

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excuses, like because I do I
do that where it's like, oh,

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you know, it's I'm you're gonna
be streaming both nights. I guess I've

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ordered food. I know, box
out of town. I'll get a picture.

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I can't. I don't have time. Yeah, I love that ship.

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What's your favorite like, uh,
what's your favorite snack? So not

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a meal? Like your favorite when
you just had two packs I'm said that

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so quickly. I just had two
packs of fruit snacks. Yeah, uh,

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Kraft, the gummy, the Craft
Yeah noodles, No Kraft makes gummy

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they do. Yeah, Okay,
Well, what's your favorite snack? Like

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your little like Snyder's Cheddar pretzel bits. Not not the fucking Cheddar covered pretzels,

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the Snyder's pretzel bits that are crushed
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are hard to eat. I can
imagine those will give you abso. Yes,

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my favorite is a bag of crutons. Oh, all crunchy, I

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know. I like. Uh,
there's these ones that are like urban garlic.

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I don't garlic. I thought you
said you thought it was urban too.

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It's like, what is the urban
garlic? Suburban? At them?

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Maybe suburban garlic? Urban garlic?
Oh my god? Is that Metro Texas

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toast live in large here? Yes, urban garlic is good. I yeah,

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I've I've snacked on croutons of great
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I Uh, I didn't know if
I was gonna say this uh on

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public platforms or anything, but I
guess I will because then I'll hold myself

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accountable more. But yeah, feeling
like shit and stuff this weekend, eating

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like ship Like God, damn,
I gotta get some some real plan together

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here because I've been working out and
just doing but it's like, you know

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a little like, oh, I'll
do a peloton here, I'll do this

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here, but then it's like I
don't really have a plan together. So

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I just signed up for a half
marathon today. What it's in July,

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and so I've been doing a lot
of research on, like, you know,

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just the proper like kind of ramp
up to it, because like I've

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got bad planner for shitas and so
I haven't run for almost ten years since

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last time I did a half marathon. But I was talking to my physical

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therapist and he was saying that,
like, yeah, as long as like

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your pain is like a three out
of three to five out of ten,

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you're fine and it might actually even
kind of help promote healing of the planner

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fashion running. So yeah, yeah, but he said, if it goes

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over like a five out of ten
and pain stop, So yeah, I'm

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going to start now. I don't
know. I think there's a good chance

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I get hurt in camp, but
like I'm signed up doing it in July.

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Did my first run today of the
schedule, and yeah, I'm feeling

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it, but I think they'd be
super fun to get back in there.

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I'm proud of you. I'm also
running. I did not sign up for

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a five k because that scares the
shit out of me. I'm very impressed

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by you. You know, he's
doing much more than five k. He's

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doing a thirteen miles. I'm going
to at some point the ks do not

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matter because I'm not doing them.
It's like, that's your problem. That's

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yeah, that's your circus. But
what I'm saying is is like I could

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never That scares the shit out of
me. I've also been really good and

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I have jogged every day for the
last eight days, which is insane,

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like I never do that. My
secret has been I get up at one

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hour earlier and I do it before
I go to work, because if I

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try to do it after work,
I'm like, nah, I'll make dinner

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like be a slug. But before
dinner or start before work, I think

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I can get away with it.
And it's been working and I have been

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doing it, but I'm I'm really
bad. I like to take lots of

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breaks. So I jog like four
blocks. Then I'm like, I treat

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myself to a block walk, and
then I walk for a little bit and

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then I'm like, you can,
you can do it, And now I

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jog for four more blocks and I'm
like, yeah, you've earned it.

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I'm a week, Like I just
I don't have it. Have you ever

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heard of like a couch to five
k app or anything like that. I

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have heard of it, I have
not downloaded it. Do you think rd

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you have it? I've done it
before, like a five K. It's

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good. I don't think they have
a ten k version. But what you're

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describing is kind of what it does
downloaded twice, just what everything they recommend,

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which it starts like you'll start all
right, start walking, you know,

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do like a three minute walk or
whatever, and then we'll say start

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running and on your first one and
you'll run for like twenty seconds and then

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you walk for recommended. So it's
literally what you're describing of, like you'll

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run for a bit and it gives
you a little break, and then like

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every time it kind of ramps up
a little bit and before you know it,

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oh shit, I can run a
five k. So that sounds nice.

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I'm very soft on myself and when
I uh, and you should stop

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if you feel pain, but like
if I feel any discomfort, I'm like,

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take it easy, Mary, and
I'll start walking. So I think

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it would take me days to get
through a five k or whatever. It

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would just take me so long.
But I do enjoy putting on some good

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tunes, some good tune skis,
and like having a little jog. I

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usually try to jog for one song
if that helps. I know that's very

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different than your system, but to
me, if you put on like a

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really energetic song, I'll send you
one of my favorite songs to jog to.

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I'm so excited that the song is
good. Then by the time it's

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ended, I'm really tired, and
then I and then I have a little

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rest. Oh yeah, music and
energize you during runs, for sure,

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so it's all, yeah, it's
all good. I noticed that today because

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yeah, normally, like I've done
a lot of walks in the last year

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or so, but like I'll listen
to podcasts during walks, but like when

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you're running and actually like working out, music works better. And I rarely

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just have moments in my day where
I'm like actively listening to music. And

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I realized today, like I put
on like an old exercise playlist that I

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haven't dusted off from you know,
years ago, I was like, oh

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shit, right, okay, and
I was running to music, and it

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was like, oh, that'll be
a good byproduct of like training for this

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is that I'll actually like have time
to listen to music on a regular basis.

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The last mile of that half marathon, you need to be listening to

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something from Rocky I did when I
did the one in twenty fifteen. I

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set up the playlist, so I
timed it out and just like it's nothing

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but Rocky shit for the last like
you know, thirty to forty five minutes

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was twenty fifth and a half or
a full it's a half, gotcha?

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This goes well? Like and again, it's all just comes down that I

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could get injured in two weeks or
whatever. I think the ultimate goal would

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like, I think it'd be really
fucking cool to do a full marathon at

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least once in my life. And
New York or some Minneapolis does one too,

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right, Yeah, yeah, they've
got one. Yeah. I did

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a bunch of phone rolling stuff today
after my run, so yeah, Town's

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got a bunch of like stretching,
like you know post run stretches. And

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here's a ten minute phone rolling thing
after a thing, So like that's actually

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really helpful too. So I'm gonna
try to do this right. I'm gonna

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try not to rush into it and
give myself enough time. Hopefully I just

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don't get it a lot. Oh
yeah, you've got time to build up

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that way. What is in fact, it's all like kind of pre training

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stuff until May and then that's when
the actual because its supposed to be like

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you know, fourteen weeks is kind
of what I'm shooting four for actual training?

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What is so? Yeah, what
is it? It's from my understanding,

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those kind of like it's peaks and
valleys for that kind of re It's

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like, Okay, do a mile
today. The next day you'll do two

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and then three, but then you'll
go down to like I think a lot

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of people I've heard a lot of
people try to train for half marathons where

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you full and they run like two
miles a day for six months straight before

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the Marathon's like, that doesn't help
you because you're you're very good at running

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two miles. You're not going to
be structured six of them. Yeah,

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it's like has to be structured and
varied. And you know, not that

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I'm an expert. I've done one
of them and I didn't do great.

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It wasn't a great time or anything, but like finished it, then you

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did pretty good. My goal was
to just do the whole thing and not

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walk, and I did. So
what you got to do is vary it

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between like, okay, so you'll
do three runs a week and then a

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long run so for total, So
you know, my long run is gonna

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be every Sunday, and that's gonna
be one that kind of creeps up,

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you know, each week in length. But then during the week there's variance

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and you're supposed to like very you
know, your routes, so you're getting

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different hills and things like that.
But also, like this run is a

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pace run, so I'm trying to
like focus on like running out a fast

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pace for this one. And this
one is just kind of like you know,

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the creeping up the day to day
mileage stuff. So it's it's all

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structured out. There's this guy,
Hal Higden that seems to be like the

404
00:25:55,039 --> 00:25:56,240
universal, like you know, he's
been doing this for like forty years.

405
00:25:56,279 --> 00:26:00,960
He's a writer, written like thirty
running books, and like everyone just follows

406
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,160
his stuff. So I'm trying to
do that. That's sous awesome. I

407
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,240
always I wanted to do some sort
of long distance thing for a while.

408
00:26:07,319 --> 00:26:10,680
I used to run track when I
was younger, and like we got up

409
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,680
to sometimes we were during practice,
we were getting up to like eleven miles

410
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:19,440
for our long distance stuff, but
it was never not not as an adult.

411
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,680
So I like to do that at
some point. That's cool, though,

412
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:26,039
Glad I decided to do this to
start it on the week that I'm

413
00:26:26,079 --> 00:26:29,200
about to fly out to Philadelphia and
just watch wrestling and eat cheese, steaks

414
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,119
and drink beer for a week.
Well, you can still jog while you're

415
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,960
there. That could be a cool, the rocky thing that should be at

416
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,000
the end of one of my things. I'm so disappointed that I we had

417
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,519
to suggest it, because well,
no, we already Jan and I were

418
00:26:41,519 --> 00:26:44,759
already planning on running up the steps, but like I didn't think about putting

419
00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:47,880
him together like that, Holy shit, doing an actual run, not for

420
00:26:48,079 --> 00:26:52,960
your jog. You're a job guy. Now, it's so funny, You're

421
00:26:52,039 --> 00:26:55,839
like instinct is like that would have
made really good content. Oh right,

422
00:26:55,839 --> 00:26:57,960
I'm running down Wait wait, wait
is this your first time in Philly?

423
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,839
No bachelor party thing a couple of
years ago, and yeah I ran the

424
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,799
steps once. Okay, of course, what's the funniest thing you could do

425
00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:07,759
at the top of the steps?
Because Jane and I are talking about doing

426
00:27:07,799 --> 00:27:10,759
it, but it's like everyone just
you know, you jump you do the

427
00:27:10,799 --> 00:27:17,160
thing. Yes, it's the most
honest, Like, if you're really that

428
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:22,640
tired, you're probably gonna that much
for breakfast. You a little free.

429
00:27:22,039 --> 00:27:25,880
Everyone will know. Yeah, if
your shadow boxing to the theme song and

430
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,559
then just start hurling your guts out, that'd be really fucking funny. I

431
00:27:27,559 --> 00:27:30,559
just don't want to encourage you to
do it on purpose. In seat of

432
00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:37,559
shadow Boxing Jan at the top of
Jan's great, Yeah, I don't know.

433
00:27:37,559 --> 00:27:40,680
I'll give it some thought. There's
probably some funny things you could do.

434
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:45,200
But I like pooping or poking.
I like your motivation. I will

435
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,799
download couch to five K, and
while I will not sign up for a

436
00:27:48,839 --> 00:27:56,720
five K because that's too intimidating,
I will run admirably and in good faith

437
00:27:56,759 --> 00:27:59,319
as if I was. I think
like a five K is not bad.

438
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,480
I think you've if you do the
counter for like normal, it's a few

439
00:28:03,519 --> 00:28:06,599
miles, it's it's it's really not
that bad. I think it's like three

440
00:28:06,599 --> 00:28:10,559
and a half ish miles. O, let me see three point one.

441
00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:14,279
It's three point one. You can
do that in a half hour. I

442
00:28:14,319 --> 00:28:17,920
don't know. Let's all train,
let's all get in shake, let's all

443
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:26,920
train. Yeah, like you should
get super fat you Carbo will will get

444
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:33,640
really fit and then we'll all run
up the rocky steps together and see who

445
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:38,160
wins. Like both race Okay,
sounds good, eat taco bell consistently for

446
00:28:40,119 --> 00:28:42,720
No, that sounds good. That's
tempting. No, good for you,

447
00:28:42,759 --> 00:28:51,319
though, that's awesome. I'm eager
for July. Yeah, uh yeah,

448
00:28:51,319 --> 00:28:52,519
I got the ten k and may
I figure that'll be a good kind of

449
00:28:52,519 --> 00:28:56,480
like midpoint check in type thing.
It's actually it's it's great to like actually

450
00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,640
have a goal though, because it's
like it's I'm already seeing like like tonight,

451
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,519
I was going to like I usually
drink every fire escape and a I'm

452
00:29:03,559 --> 00:29:07,319
sick, but I was like,
well, I got to be kind of

453
00:29:07,359 --> 00:29:08,559
like, you know, I can't
be drinking as frequently if I'm going to

454
00:29:08,599 --> 00:29:11,920
train for those things. So like
already seeing these things like, oh,

455
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,440
I have an actual purpose I'm going
towards and not just general like it should

456
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,440
be healthier. You know that helps
me too. I'm no good with I

457
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:23,559
need to exercise twenty minutes a day. That bores me. It's unmotivating and

458
00:29:23,759 --> 00:29:29,160
I end up eating cheese sticks instead. The system for me is I'm trying

459
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:33,400
to get a goal. I'm trying
to earn a new skill. That's one

460
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,799
of the reasons why running does not
usually work for me, because you can't

461
00:29:37,799 --> 00:29:40,799
like improve at it. So I
was I was a gymnast in like high

462
00:29:40,839 --> 00:29:44,359
school. My goal wasn't to get
fit. My goal was to get a

463
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,599
really sick skill on the beam or
on the bars. And then while I

464
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,440
was doing that, I was exercising. So like that works really well with

465
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,599
my brain. Now, it turns
out it's really hard to do gymnastics in

466
00:29:55,640 --> 00:30:00,759
your late thirties because your bones you're
dying, and it's very tough on the

467
00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:04,400
body to like do the stuff I
was doing all those years ago. Now,

468
00:30:04,519 --> 00:30:10,240
so like high gymnastics stays it's crazy, like you're pushing your my ankles

469
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:11,759
in, my knees are no longer
what they wear. I am not going

470
00:30:11,799 --> 00:30:17,400
to be doing like a full on
a floor routine anymore. So I have

471
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,319
to find something new that motivates me, and jogging usually isn't it. I

472
00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:25,839
think I need something else, like
like rock climbing or like, uh,

473
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:33,440
what's the one the ribbon. Yeah, something very the ribbon, you know,

474
00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:37,599
dance dance suggesting like hardcore Brazilian jiu
jitsu style, and Mary's like,

475
00:30:37,599 --> 00:30:41,200
what's what's the one where you twirl
the ribbon and just kind of float around

476
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,160
for a bit. That's capra.
I think, Oh, you can kill

477
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:51,400
with that ribbon, twirl it around
their neck and then snap it. Yeah.

478
00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:56,000
I think the Essays uses ribbon twirling
for their training before they drop an

479
00:30:56,079 --> 00:31:00,839
enemy territory. You have like beautiful
music, no, no, thet part

480
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:06,880
of the Navy seal training. Yeah, man, I love hit Man.

481
00:31:07,359 --> 00:31:11,640
You should kill people in a cooler
way. I'd love to see a there

482
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,599
isn't a ballet hit Man level,
right, I'm not like speaking out of

483
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:23,319
turn ones society type things, you
know, fashion show The fashion shows ones

484
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:30,880
really funny because you can walk the
runway. That was superam Krueger. Yeah,

485
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,480
I love it. You put them
in fancy people situations and watch them.

486
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,960
Well, that's just the funniest,
Like that's the funniest place to be,

487
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,559
like dressing up and pretending to be
someone of them. Killing rich people

488
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:48,880
like is just rich people everywhere,
cultists and illuminati. The one who he's

489
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,920
in the Khalifa, tallest building in
the world, Kalia. M hm is

490
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,720
that where that one's Yeah? Yeah, the level, Yeah, yeah,

491
00:31:56,759 --> 00:32:00,960
definitely. Did they say it by
name or is it just I remember it's

492
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:05,200
saying my name might as well be
its like, yeah, is it?

493
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,759
Like? I don't know. I
thought they did say it. I thought,

494
00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:12,079
what's her name, Helen? You're
handler whatever her name is Mirron,

495
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,279
Yeah, it is it Helen Mirren. Oh yeah doing the voice. Oh

496
00:32:16,359 --> 00:32:23,039
yeah, she's forty seven. Her
age is not important. That'd be incredible.

497
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:30,400
Okay, No, we're so like, there's a great who's on first?

498
00:32:30,839 --> 00:32:37,200
Helen Mirren from Devil Wors product forty
seven? How old? How old

499
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:42,480
was she when she did Devil War's
product? And how old was Natalie Portman

500
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:49,480
as her protege in nineteen forty?
Yeah, we do. It's very fun.

501
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:55,559
Dan. Good luck than you on
your marathon. I'm excited for you.

502
00:32:57,079 --> 00:32:59,960
I really didn't decide what I didn't
think I was. I didn't think

503
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,119
I was gonna say how thank you. That's it. We'll see if you

504
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,759
finish it. Yeah, because you
have to like actually do it, like

505
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,799
and here's the thing and I'm not
even saying that you finish it without like

506
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,880
walking or whatever. I don't care
about that. If you start it,

507
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:15,240
I'll be very proud of you.
It's that's the thing is like I think

508
00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:17,720
just saying it publicly gives me some
accountability. And I'm very big on like

509
00:33:17,799 --> 00:33:20,920
I say i'm gonna do something,
I'm gonna do it, and so I

510
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,079
but I do think like you talk
about the bones dying thing. I mean,

511
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:28,480
last time I started running or trying
to, and after the twenty fifteen

512
00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:31,359
one, I got planner for shitus
for a fucking decade and it hasn't really

513
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:36,680
gone away. And so there is
I think at least a fifty percent chance

514
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,400
that I am either slowed down or
straight up can't do it due to like

515
00:33:39,599 --> 00:33:43,200
injury stuff. But I'm gonna try, and I'm gonna take it slow,

516
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,359
and I'm gonna try to do it
right. So imagine if after you finish

517
00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:49,640
the half marathon, I'm only texting
you in half texts until you a full

518
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,240
one. That's a good bit a
dude. Did you see Sylvester Sloan said

519
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:57,160
this and then just stop. I
go visit you and you're your porn like

520
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,319
half cocktail ingredients and everything. No, old, I'm not. I'm not

521
00:34:00,359 --> 00:34:02,559
pouring half a cocktail. I'm just
only putting half of the ingredients in,

522
00:34:02,599 --> 00:34:06,960
so you just get better as an
ice. O Oh oh so full?

523
00:34:07,119 --> 00:34:09,679
Okay? Yeah, well going halfway
through the recipe not like batching it to

524
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,719
be a half measure. Oh so
it's going to be bad, Okay,

525
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,719
cool, Okay, it's no,
it's not. It's not going to be

526
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:20,800
enjoyable for you. No, that's
cool. I've never done a half marathon,

527
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,400
so I don't I can't say shit. Do you guys want to talk

528
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541
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:27,760
have a rare guest for this segment. His name is Gizmo. I mean,

542
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,599
he just looks bursting at the scene. He's got a lot to say.

543
00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:30,280
If you're watching a video version,
you can see him right there.

544
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,039
He looks excited and rare and ag
Gizmo, what have you been playing?

545
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,039
What do you got, Leddy?
What are you playing? Oh? Shit,

546
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,320
same here? No, No,
he was okay, I'm gonna do

547
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:45,320
I was gonna do a whole bit, had a whole bit. I had

548
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:49,079
the whole thing. It was gonna
be the funniest thing I've ever said,

549
00:35:49,079 --> 00:35:52,199
periods. Everybody should imagine it.
And it was super funny. Mary,

550
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,480
you're playing something as we speak right
now, which is pretty rude considering we're

551
00:35:55,519 --> 00:35:59,559
recording a podcast. But yeah,
go on, I it is a little

552
00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:05,320
rude. I've been playing a mini
game in hell Divers in the hangout menu,

553
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:10,800
like before you actually play Stratagem Hero
Commission Stratagem here. That's a tough

554
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:16,039
one. It's really fun and it's
so stupid because it like has it has

555
00:36:16,119 --> 00:36:20,360
like the music like an arcade game, and it's extremely simple. You just

556
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,639
do the arrows very quickly to ensure
that you can, i don't know,

557
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:29,639
like get as many done out the
door, and then you get a score

558
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,920
associated with how many arrows you were
led to get done, and Dan,

559
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:42,800
I want to I want to see
if you can beat my score, my

560
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,199
my top score. I just I
think there's an actual leaderboard on that,

561
00:36:47,119 --> 00:36:52,400
but it reminds us two eleven seventy
two. Okay, I'm writing that down

562
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,639
for next time I play Excellent.
I took a photo of it to prove

563
00:36:54,679 --> 00:36:59,159
it well if I'm playing with you, which we should do that again sometime.

564
00:36:59,599 --> 00:37:01,800
My favorite thing to do is to
just stand in between, like physically

565
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:07,119
put my character between, because in
front of someone else that they can't see,

566
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,000
you can physically get in somebody else's
way while they're playing, which is

567
00:37:09,079 --> 00:37:12,840
really funny. But you can also
like you know, you're all hanging out.

568
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,679
It's kind of like hanging out in
an arcade together. It gives you

569
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:20,199
the same vibes as like hanging out
with friends while somebody's playing a video game,

570
00:37:20,199 --> 00:37:22,760
but you're talking about life or whatever. And it's very fun to play

571
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:28,599
this stupid game. So it's a
very simple, unnecessary like mini game.

572
00:37:29,079 --> 00:37:34,079
It's fun and I've weirdly spent a
decent amount of time in it. I

573
00:37:34,119 --> 00:37:37,159
love my stuff. I love that, you know, like Geometry Wars came

574
00:37:37,199 --> 00:37:39,679
from a mini game that was in
Project Gotham. You know. I played

575
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:44,079
more Galaga in the loading screen of
tech and for PlayStation than I played like

576
00:37:44,159 --> 00:37:46,440
normal galaghas. So it's I've always
loved the game within a game thing.

577
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:52,000
And I just played a lot of
Anaconda and times Splitters too. That just

578
00:37:52,039 --> 00:37:54,119
a snake like a rattler type thing. Yeah, yeah, that's cool.

579
00:37:54,559 --> 00:37:59,000
I always play this is my next
game, But I was I've been playing

580
00:37:59,039 --> 00:38:00,840
a lot of the minigame side of
Stardew Valley, you know, and Stardu

581
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:06,039
Valley. You can go to the
bar and there is there's an arcade in

582
00:38:06,119 --> 00:38:08,599
the bar in Stardy Valley. Was
that always the case or is it always?

583
00:38:08,679 --> 00:38:12,920
This is not the update, It's
always been there. Well you've been

584
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,440
Yeah, you've been playing because of
the update. Correct, correct, that's

585
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:21,360
the only reason. But I couldn't
help myself. It's called Journey of the

586
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,199
Prairie King. You've never played this, man, I mean I put like

587
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,840
one hundred and thirty hours into the
game. I would think I did,

588
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,480
but I haven't played since it like
came out. You know, Journey of

589
00:38:30,559 --> 00:38:36,000
the Prairie King. Yes, what
kind of game is this? It's a

590
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:42,039
shooter you have. It's very simple. One controller automatically shoots, or you

591
00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:44,679
can pull it to shoot a bullet
as you want, but you can hold

592
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:50,400
it down and then you just look
different directions and they have enemies that come

593
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:55,760
at you from the four quadrants and
they come at you quickly, and it's

594
00:38:55,760 --> 00:39:02,119
actually quite it gets. The difficulty
ramps up so fast in that Prairie King

595
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:06,519
game. I'm amazed of how difficult
it is. But there's lots of power

596
00:39:06,599 --> 00:39:09,480
ups, like a heavy machine gun
and there's a nuke and there's a shotgun

597
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:14,239
and all that stuff like can save
your bacon. But I mean, I've

598
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,760
been addicted to this stupid game.
In fact, I've gotten into the role

599
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:25,920
playing that I I so the new
update happened and I went with raising animals,

600
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,679
and so you get you start with
two chickens, which is so cute.

601
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,480
So I start my day, I
make sure to get my eggs,

602
00:39:35,079 --> 00:39:38,960
I make some oblets, give them
to the townspeople or whatever I want to

603
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,760
do, and then at five PM
I go to the arcade and I play

604
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,159
Prairie King until I'm tired, and
then I go to bed. And this

605
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:52,199
is I do it every day.
So sorry the new update I've played.

606
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,119
The last time I played was I
think five months ago when they added all

607
00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:59,880
those new starting maps and weather patterns
and whatnot. Yeah, when you say

608
00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:05,760
you chose raising animals, yes,
ranch like that gives you like an already

609
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,239
flourishing farm and you have to do
one specific thing from there on out.

610
00:40:09,559 --> 00:40:15,079
It wants you to focus on a
specific thing and it gives you leverage in

611
00:40:15,159 --> 00:40:19,880
that thing. So in ranch mode, it starts you with a small barn

612
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,559
with two chickens. It does not
start you with a flourishing barn. You

613
00:40:22,639 --> 00:40:27,199
still have to earn your barn just
like anything else, but it's essentially giving

614
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,840
you a leg up and saying,
like, we know you want to like

615
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:31,719
have a lot of animals, so
we're giving you two to start so that

616
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:37,079
you can expand your barn. There
was another one that was like forest and

617
00:40:37,119 --> 00:40:44,119
it's like it doesn't have a lot
of space for you to just, I

618
00:40:44,119 --> 00:40:50,840
don't know, make traditional gardening crap
happen. The purpose is for you to

619
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,000
explore the forest and find stuff in
the forest and be a forest explorer,

620
00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:57,679
or chop down the trees and sell
the wood, whatever you know you want

621
00:40:57,679 --> 00:41:00,480
to do. But the point is
is like it's it's encouraging you to play

622
00:41:00,519 --> 00:41:06,840
the game in a completely different way
by giving you a different system. Another

623
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,599
one is like the waterway system,
where it's like you're going to be surrounded

624
00:41:08,639 --> 00:41:14,039
by lots of different lakes and stuff
like that, so you'll be a fisherman.

625
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,480
Gotcha, How is it going back? Because like I don't know how

626
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:22,000
much you've gone back to it since
you and I were initially playing it,

627
00:41:22,039 --> 00:41:25,480
like at the same time when it
came out in twenty fifteen. Yeah,

628
00:41:24,679 --> 00:41:30,239
so obsessively, and I have not
come back since. Like I've never seen

629
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,360
multiplayer in it. I've never seen
since like you could pick your farm type

630
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:36,119
in the beginning, and I know
I've done a million things since then.

631
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,639
So is it, like, do
you feel like it's still basically the same

632
00:41:39,679 --> 00:41:43,840
game, just with some bells and
whistles, or is it a whole new

633
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,760
thing now? Is my opinion is
the same game with some bells and whistles,

634
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:52,079
I would be it would be tough
for me to want to replay this

635
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:58,000
entire game again. I have played
this game, I have experienced this game

636
00:41:58,119 --> 00:42:01,239
and all of the unique value of
this game. But it's a great excuse

637
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:06,320
to go back. It's a really
good reason to say, what if I

638
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:12,000
was really focused on being a fisherman
instead of a farmer, and so you

639
00:42:12,159 --> 00:42:15,000
just fish every day and you try
and get all the fish, but a

640
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,880
lot of the same basic principles that
got you excited about the game in the

641
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:22,440
first place. Remember like how you
fixed up the shed and you got all

642
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,400
the little weeble wobbles that were inside
of it by getting like one of everything

643
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:29,079
to like finish your shed. Do
you know what I'm talking about? Yeah,

644
00:42:29,199 --> 00:42:30,400
it's been a long time. They
were like little ghosts. They looked

645
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:35,800
like little jellies. I kind of
remember that. Yeah, you guys,

646
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,599
Yeah, Okay, so that's still
there, and I think that's a big

647
00:42:38,639 --> 00:42:45,840
motivator. It's a big motivator to
like do all of the seasonal activities like

648
00:42:46,119 --> 00:42:52,199
the dance and the Easter egg hunt
Happy Easter. Like there's like all these

649
00:42:52,199 --> 00:42:55,039
like reasons to do all these things. But it's very similar to the reasons

650
00:42:55,079 --> 00:42:59,960
that we played the first time.
You can still romantic character, right,

651
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:04,280
So, like I've been trying to
romance someone totally different than who I romanced

652
00:43:04,679 --> 00:43:07,280
when I got really into this game. Originally, I was always into SEB

653
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,599
And now I'm like, I'm gonna
try somebody else. I'm gonna try somebody

654
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:14,480
completely different and see if I can
romance some one else. But I think

655
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:21,840
there's enough pull for someone else to
say I can't wait to completely soak hours

656
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,119
in this game all over again.
Probably not for me, there's just too

657
00:43:24,199 --> 00:43:27,920
many other games that I want to
play, but it is a good excuse

658
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,199
to go back. Yeah, And
it's tough with like you know, Haunted,

659
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:37,239
Chocolate Tear being you know in the
next year whatever, just now today,

660
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,280
next week, surprise drop what No, I made that up? Fucker,

661
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,599
don't ever do that With holl of
Night. I'll fly to your house

662
00:43:44,639 --> 00:43:49,360
and kill you. That'd be funny. Not funny? What are people saying

663
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:57,800
on Twitter stock I'm waiting for a
game for like seven years, some game

664
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:02,800
called Simp Song is coming out,
and I'm so sorry I derouned this.

665
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,800
Dan, you were talking about you
were saying something I was I think,

666
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:14,880
so yeah, I think you were
saying something really funny. Oh you were

667
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:20,280
talking about the chocolate Mary, Dan, Why are you I I'm looking forward

668
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,400
to that. It's probably not gonna
play Stardoo again. I have a question

669
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:27,519
for you about that. So we
all know that Stardoo Valley was kind of

670
00:44:27,599 --> 00:44:30,519
a mimic of an older game,
right, Like, it wasn't this original

671
00:44:30,559 --> 00:44:37,239
concept. It was a Harvest Moon
redesign in many ways, and I don't

672
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:44,000
think that anyone like denies that,
right, They're very very similar parallel and

673
00:44:44,039 --> 00:44:45,000
the creator, I think, was
like, yeah, I fucking love Harvest

674
00:44:45,039 --> 00:44:49,599
Moon one hundred percent, right,
So we all understand that he had a

675
00:44:49,679 --> 00:44:57,000
really good blueprint when he constructed this. There is no blueprint for Haunted Chocolate

676
00:44:57,039 --> 00:45:00,840
ear So a part of me is
like this one, he's on his own,

677
00:45:00,159 --> 00:45:06,280
and he's in New territory. This
will be like the actual test of

678
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,880
his ability to kind of construct mechanics
and systems and see how it works without

679
00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:15,840
the sweet sweet benefit of a farming
sim that we all know we would love

680
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:20,039
and enjoy it. But correct me
if I'm wrong. So far, Haunted

681
00:45:20,119 --> 00:45:23,920
Chocolate Tiers seems like it might not
be a farming sim but is very much

682
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:29,639
still like a business sim, but
it's in a haunted castle. It doesn't

683
00:45:29,639 --> 00:45:32,679
seem like a total departure, right, No, that's like to your point,

684
00:45:32,679 --> 00:45:38,199
Mary, I guess he's not like
completely building off something else, But

685
00:45:38,199 --> 00:45:40,800
I guess he is building off of
Stardy Valley in a sense. At least

686
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:45,320
I'm heavily assuming. But maybe it's
a sophomore slump. That would be a

687
00:45:45,519 --> 00:45:50,639
that would be a bummer if this
game was not great, because then I

688
00:45:50,639 --> 00:45:52,280
would just have to go back to
start. You. I'm not alluding that

689
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,960
it's not going to be good,
but yeah, not like but it begs

690
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:01,719
the question, which is, like
you had something that we already knew was

691
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:07,199
a slam dunk like Harvest Moon is
a good game and people really liked it,

692
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:08,519
and I think he fine tuned it. He made it a bit more

693
00:46:08,679 --> 00:46:14,920
like you get there quicker. It
humanizes the people a little bit more like

694
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,440
there's just like more stuff going on, whereas like Haunted Chocolate Tar, there's

695
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,679
nothing to compare it to. So
like, I have no idea how he's

696
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:27,360
ensuring that people are going to enjoy
the day to day loop and so this

697
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,800
that's why I think it's exciting.
It's not so much that I expect it

698
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,719
to not be good. It's just
we don't know what to expect because there

699
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,079
is no blueprint for this game.
I think that's kind of exciting though.

700
00:46:36,119 --> 00:46:40,119
I think that's uh, that's fun
like the unknown there. Yeah, it'll

701
00:46:40,159 --> 00:46:45,800
be it'll be really exciting to play
that game, and so I I'll obviously

702
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:50,119
be playing that probably like the day
it comes out. That's like a huge

703
00:46:50,119 --> 00:46:54,239
one for me based on like how
much I loved Stardo. This update very

704
00:46:54,280 --> 00:47:00,039
good. It's it's Stardo. It
is the same basic game that you know

705
00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:05,599
and love. They've flipped a couple
switches so that your environment is different.

706
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,639
I do think they let you customize
the way you want to play a little

707
00:47:07,679 --> 00:47:10,719
bit more, but at the end
of the day, I'm still going to

708
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:15,719
romance the same people they did.
Like some little things. I think you

709
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:20,280
can have more than one pet.
Now that's cool. But as far as

710
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,719
I'm aware, you did anything,
you can choose the dogs or a cat

711
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:29,039
at the beginning, right, and
you have a horse too, Yeah,

712
00:47:29,119 --> 00:47:34,159
well that's the farm, right,
Yes, I mean I guess you can

713
00:47:34,199 --> 00:47:36,760
consider that a pet. But the
dog is like you get it as soon

714
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,440
as you arrive, whereas the horse
you have to like earn it and have

715
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:45,480
the barn and stuff like that.
Right. But yeah, when you the

716
00:47:45,519 --> 00:47:50,880
first time you ride the horse into
town, it's just like the same tics

717
00:47:51,079 --> 00:47:57,079
is. I was like so fucking
excited I got that horse. Do you

718
00:47:57,119 --> 00:48:02,760
think we'll get Silk Song or Haunted
Chocolate Chair? First Chocolate? We all

719
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:07,119
know it's gonna be Haunted Chalk.
There isn't even a trailer for Silk Song

720
00:48:07,199 --> 00:48:09,840
that's been updated in so long,
and I swear to God like the devs

721
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:15,519
are like running away from like journalists
when they want to talk about it,

722
00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:17,960
like I can't. I can't get
updates. We're gonna get the new Kajima

723
00:48:19,119 --> 00:48:23,199
Physicant thing before we get Silk Song. It's so unfair, Like what is

724
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:30,719
going on back there those new ground
splash graphics? I hate you. I

725
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:35,119
this game has earned its spot.
You don't deserve to play that game.

726
00:48:35,679 --> 00:48:37,559
I don't think he will. I'm
not going to you know, no,

727
00:48:37,559 --> 00:48:39,360
no, no, you know what
it's gonna happen. I'm gonna play it

728
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:43,000
in like a year and a half
or this game's awesome. What the hell?

729
00:48:44,159 --> 00:48:46,679
That's my gimmick. That's gonna happen
again. Yeah, why didn't anyone

730
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:51,639
tell me this is good? I'm
already planning my bits like years ahead.

731
00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:53,599
I'm on a different level right now. I'm playing this is my twenty twenty

732
00:48:53,639 --> 00:48:58,440
seven bit with you. It's gonna
be great. I want to be here.

733
00:48:59,079 --> 00:49:04,920
I oh be gone. He killed
me in twenty twenty seven, You'll

734
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:12,480
be dead. It's not by TMJ, by Emmy kud be really bad kill

735
00:49:12,559 --> 00:49:15,880
you. Mary's gonna bring like a
laptop to your grave and sit on it

736
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:21,400
and play Silk Song and piss at
the same time. Jesus Christ. That's

737
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,199
what she tells me all the time. She texts all daily. Yeah,

738
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:30,960
I can't wait to piss on this
man's grave from that all chickens, No

739
00:49:30,039 --> 00:49:34,360
silk song, I haunt the here. Oh well if that was Stardu.

740
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,719
But yeah, I understand before I
started. What have you been playing?

741
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:43,159
Oh? H I played a good
amount of The Princess Peach showtime on the

742
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:47,199
on the flights to and from packs. Uh it's fine, it's uh,

743
00:49:47,519 --> 00:49:52,599
it's it's what it looks like.
It's incredibly incredibly simple. It is.

744
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,760
It's cute. It's uh. It's
fun to like have the different gimmick in

745
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,760
every level where it's like, oh, now I'm a chef and I'm making

746
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,440
cakes, but now I'm this detective
and I'm solving little puzzles, and you

747
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:05,280
know, there's that fun variety in
each level, but like there's not really

748
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,159
a lot of depth to it,
so like every one of those outfits kind

749
00:50:07,199 --> 00:50:09,960
of just has like a button that's
like, okay, well, when you're

750
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:14,440
this, it's like a grappling hook
thing, and when you're the sword fighter,

751
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:15,880
it does the one very basic,
you know, sword attack, and

752
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,199
there's you know, a simple boss
fight at the end of a lot of

753
00:50:19,199 --> 00:50:22,559
these, and it's it's I think
it's a game that is is very much

754
00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:28,199
supposed to be very accessible to people
that don't play a lot of video games.

755
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,480
I think it's like Kirby's Epic Yarn
is the thing I keep thinking back

756
00:50:30,519 --> 00:50:34,760
to where it's like it was a
very cute game. It was a Nintendo

757
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,360
first party thing starring a character that
a lot of people knew, and it

758
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:43,920
was like there was incredibly low stakes, it was easy to play. So

759
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,840
yeah, if you're looking for like, you know, this isn't gonna be

760
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,639
like Mario three D World Challenge stuff. But if if you just want to,

761
00:50:49,679 --> 00:50:52,400
you know, have a fun like
it's it's Page having her own game,

762
00:50:52,599 --> 00:50:55,880
and uh it's it's got some variety
to it, but it's it's nothing

763
00:50:55,880 --> 00:51:00,239
that I've been like running back to. So I played I think three of

764
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:04,760
the five floors of this of the
building you're in, and I think I'm

765
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,920
maybe maybe on a flight, maybe
maybe going out to Mania. I'll play

766
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:09,760
a little more. But uh yeah, it's it's it's fine. It's cute,

767
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:14,559
more of a novelty than anything.
Yeah, yeah, I mean I'd

768
00:51:14,639 --> 00:51:16,280
like to see more Peach games.
I'd like to see more Warrio games.

769
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,679
I'd like to see all Luigi game
Like I like the idea of there being

770
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,320
like for like the idea of like
Luigi has his own game series and it's

771
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,719
a totally different thing. It's just
like, oh, Luig's man, it's

772
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,639
this weird ghost game, and it's
good. Like, I like the idea

773
00:51:28,679 --> 00:51:30,599
of all these characters I love from
Nintendo, Like it doesn't always have to

774
00:51:30,599 --> 00:51:34,519
be platformers asn't you know, like
give them each their own kind of like

775
00:51:34,639 --> 00:51:37,320
lane and genre and things like that. I think that would be a fun

776
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,480
thing. So I want more of
this. But yeah, this isn't like,

777
00:51:39,519 --> 00:51:44,480
you know, knock my socks off? Did you like what's that?

778
00:51:44,599 --> 00:51:47,679
Mare? Well didn't I say?
I was gonna say, did you like

779
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:51,960
Treasure Tracker Captain Toad? Yeah?
Yeah, like that that's a great example

780
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:53,719
of that. That's that's an incredible
example that like they don't have to be

781
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:57,360
these giant things. They're can be
a thirty dollars game where it's a collection

782
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,960
of fun little levels and stuff like
that. Like, yeah, Treasure Trackers

783
00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:04,039
a great example. Then going back
to the puzzles, you said there was

784
00:52:04,039 --> 00:52:07,079
puzzles in this game. What kind
of puzzles are we talking about here?

785
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,559
It's the lightest. It's just like
there's one where you're like, you know,

786
00:52:09,679 --> 00:52:13,880
she has like a Sherlock Holmes detective
outfit in her button is just like,

787
00:52:14,159 --> 00:52:15,199
oh, you can go up to
a thing and if there's an icon

788
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:19,559
she pulls out a magnifying glass and
it says, like, this window looks

789
00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:22,280
it's got a breeze coming in.
I wonder if they took the painting out

790
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,199
this way. And it's like,
okay, so you have like five guesses

791
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:29,519
to be like that's where the painting
went. You know, it's not for

792
00:52:29,639 --> 00:52:31,880
Pessor Layton. It's not like actually
like well thought others like I'll press a

793
00:52:32,039 --> 00:52:42,679
on that thing. Yeah, it's
better than that. Yeah, I loved

794
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:47,320
Professor Layton growing up. And I
feel like there is a void there for

795
00:52:47,519 --> 00:52:52,519
really fun puzzles where they put you
in a space where you have to solve

796
00:52:52,599 --> 00:52:57,039
puzzles. I think that is a
miss, Like there's nothing like that anymore

797
00:52:57,119 --> 00:53:00,519
that I can think of that kind
of fills that void that the Ghost Trick

798
00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:01,599
is supposed to be. I've never
played that, but I feel like I've

799
00:53:01,639 --> 00:53:06,000
heard people kind of just that way. You have never played it. I

800
00:53:06,039 --> 00:53:08,679
don't know if that's the thing you're
looking for. What was that series this?

801
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,079
I guess it's not the same thing, but it's similar, like social

802
00:53:12,079 --> 00:53:19,079
interactions and time bending A zero Dark
thirty zero zero Scape, yeah, zero

803
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:23,159
Virtues Last Reward series, Yeah,
yeah, zero Escape I played a couple

804
00:53:23,199 --> 00:53:29,840
of those, and I see why
people are obsessed with them. I I

805
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:34,280
don't know. I think in my
I want some sort of I want a

806
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:38,000
little more structure to my puzzle games, like my favorite puzzle game of all

807
00:53:38,039 --> 00:53:40,880
time. I don't know. Will
my favorite puzzle game of all time be?

808
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,760
I really like Portal? Well,
yeah, Portal's Portal two Portal are

809
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:51,480
unreal. I like Inside, I
used a Valves engine. It was the

810
00:53:51,519 --> 00:53:57,400
Source engine. Huh. I like
Inside, is that what you said?

811
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:04,199
No, you said it was unreal. It's sort of he still got it.

812
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:10,079
I got it. No one left
at my joke earlier. That was

813
00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:14,519
fucking hilarious. I like what he
said, you were half proud of me.

814
00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:20,079
That was fun. That was fun. Yet each other's jokes for the

815
00:54:20,119 --> 00:54:24,119
rest of the episode Into a part
of One Into are very unity. I

816
00:54:24,119 --> 00:54:29,079
always like when you have to explain
your jokes. I didn't Dan explain my

817
00:54:29,199 --> 00:54:31,599
joke, or he'd explain his joke. Fucking funk off. I'm trying to

818
00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:36,360
say something. I'm probably really insightful
and cerebral. I'm trying to remember what

819
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:45,440
it was. Probably art is not
is not inherently good. Sometimes art arises

820
00:54:46,039 --> 00:54:52,960
from the bad that humans can do
to one another, and then art is

821
00:54:52,039 --> 00:55:00,599
almost always about masculinity, and that's
where whoa, whoa, whoa? What

822
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:07,679
is it good for? I?
What was the actually I started playing?

823
00:55:07,079 --> 00:55:13,639
I started Eastward recently, which is
sort of God, that's talky. I

824
00:55:13,679 --> 00:55:16,000
love that game. I wanted to
like that game, but ho Lee,

825
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:20,760
that was so much talking. Yeah, I didn't play that recently. I

826
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,000
bring that up just because, like
some of the puzzles that were in it

827
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:25,159
were like, oh man, this
game is onto something, and then man,

828
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,559
it weighed down. It's like,
dude, you're already telling a good

829
00:55:28,599 --> 00:55:30,800
story through the game play and the
puzzles. Let me just the combat,

830
00:55:31,159 --> 00:55:35,519
the boss fights. Just let me
fucking do this. I don't need your

831
00:55:36,119 --> 00:55:38,440
apologies. If the writer listens to
the podcast, I'm sure is great.

832
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:44,360
I just don't need that in my
life. Apologies. I'm about to say

833
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,280
something really harsh. I don't think
it's that harsh. I think it's a

834
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:51,519
fair Let your game speak for it
when it can. But then of Portal

835
00:55:51,559 --> 00:55:53,920
is great because the writing itself was
top notch and funny alongside it, but

836
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:59,840
it didn't get in the way it
was you while you're doing cool things.

837
00:56:00,079 --> 00:56:02,480
Puzzles are best when they're doing right. Like The Witness was such a good

838
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:06,760
one. It was just like figure
it out, bitch, Like solve it

839
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,320
with balls. Might be my favorite
puzzle game of all time. That's fucking

840
00:56:09,639 --> 00:56:15,199
Oh, I get it, Mike
your highbrow you like you like Palmeroles?

841
00:56:15,519 --> 00:56:17,679
Who get it? I don't like
The Witness. I like The Witness a

842
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:22,440
lot, But if you just took
out everything that was said in terms of

843
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,320
like story, like all the tapes
and all that stuff, would just get

844
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,920
me a bunch of funline puzzles and
stuff, it would be a much better

845
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,920
game. Yeah, I agree.
Who cares? All those tapes added nothing

846
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:36,360
to the game? Who cares?
I was actively detracted from the game for

847
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:40,000
me? Yeah, I agree.
I don't like, uh, this don't

848
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:45,880
make games for me. But like
when the lore is text and it's like

849
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,599
I found another book, It's like, oh, fucking spare me, you

850
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,880
like, I don't want it.
I don't want your little book, flor

851
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:57,960
I don't care all that trying to
do souls likes. One of the biggest

852
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,960
things that those games do well that
no one takes from well not no one,

853
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:04,039
but many studios don't take in them
as like all of the lore and

854
00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:07,119
Soul's likes is like there if you
want to read like a half paragraph about

855
00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:09,800
this weapon that was from a boss, but if you don't want to interact

856
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:14,920
with it, fucking who cares?
You're you're that really quickly? Yeah you

857
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,400
know? No. Yeah, So
I'm saying it's like half that there's very

858
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:22,880
deep lore to something like Bloodborne,
but it exists in little snippets that none

859
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,400
of us unless you're if you want
to get into it watching a vati video

860
00:57:25,719 --> 00:57:30,199
video on YouTube. That YouTuber is
fucking unreal about that. But again it's

861
00:57:30,239 --> 00:57:35,039
like, it's okay, cool,
I got this new weapon. I'm out.

862
00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:38,000
I beat Bloodborne and I loved it. And I couldn't tell you what

863
00:57:38,159 --> 00:57:40,559
any car. I couldn't name a
character, I couldn't tell you a single

864
00:57:40,599 --> 00:57:43,440
thing that happens. I just liked, Oh, this world looks cool,

865
00:57:43,519 --> 00:57:45,519
the action's awesome, these enemies are
fucked up, and then if you want

866
00:57:45,559 --> 00:57:49,000
to go deep, you can.
But it didn't get at all in the

867
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:53,159
way of me just having a good
time. Yeah, I guess in that

868
00:57:53,320 --> 00:58:00,559
regard. I we were talking about
Blatro again before we started recording, and

869
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:02,000
I still love the lootro. The
game is incredible. I still think it's

870
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:07,760
a fantastic playing game. However,
I too much lower. I regressed a

871
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,360
bit and I started playing on these
many flights I've had the last month.

872
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:16,199
No more. Vampire Survivors is still
I still have to give the nod to

873
00:58:16,239 --> 00:58:21,880
that as the best playing game over
slightly above Blatro. Then, Mike,

874
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:23,320
I need you to do something for
me, and you've done this many times

875
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:28,639
throughout our friendship. Sell me hard
on this because I have planes coming up

876
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:30,440
and I eventually I love Balotro,
and I got other stuff I could play.

877
00:58:30,519 --> 00:58:35,199
I would love to have like Vampire
Surprivers just grab me again and make

878
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,800
time travel. You know, that
would be easier if I knew like what

879
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:43,159
specifically is new and the updates,
because they added the DLC so they added

880
00:58:43,199 --> 00:58:46,280
up the last I played like all
the DLC up until like they did that

881
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:50,320
among us one like a month or
two ago, and it's just like something

882
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:53,079
about the art style or the like
upgrades and stuff were just really not for

883
00:58:53,199 --> 00:58:57,880
me. They just didn't feel like
Vampire scribers to me. But I played

884
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:01,800
like the previous DLCs, so I
don't have anything new to sell you on

885
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:06,519
outside of the fact that, like
I heard, I looked at the screen,

886
00:59:06,559 --> 00:59:07,559
that's like, you got two and
a half hours left in this flight.

887
00:59:08,079 --> 00:59:10,760
I'm like, all right, that's
no short amount of time when you

888
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:15,719
fucking hate being cramped in a fucking
tube hurtling through the sky. Okay,

889
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:19,480
I'll do a half hour, and
Vampire Survivors, if you're doing semi well,

890
00:59:19,519 --> 00:59:22,800
it's literally has to be a half
hour unless you're gonna actually fight Dracula

891
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:27,800
at the end. Oh cool,
that runs over, and I just unlocked

892
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,400
a few more achievements. I just
unlocked. I still had characters unlocked,

893
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:35,239
so that helped. So it's like, okay, upgrade. What's the one

894
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,559
the pentagram which I fucking hate until
until you upgrade it, and it's like

895
00:59:38,599 --> 00:59:42,280
you have a sixty five percent chance
to not clear items. You're like,

896
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:45,760
okay, now everybody's dead. So
that was fun because I bounced between that

897
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:47,159
and Risk of Rain two and I
all get to Risk of Rain two.

898
00:59:47,199 --> 00:59:51,679
But Vampire Survivors like, oh,
that was half hour right there, and

899
00:59:51,719 --> 00:59:55,960
it flew by because it's one of
maybe the most satisfying game I've ever played.

900
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:00,760
Yeah, and we talked a lot
about it and Elden Ring two years

901
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:05,519
ago. But I all of a
sudden, it's like, oh, you

902
01:00:05,559 --> 01:00:07,119
got an hour and a half left
in the flight. Like okay, well,

903
01:00:07,159 --> 01:00:09,960
there drink carts coming around. I'm
gonna grab some coffee. I'll be

904
01:00:10,119 --> 01:00:14,039
fresh for when we land. And
also, that's what three rounds of Vampire

905
01:00:14,079 --> 01:00:15,760
Survivors is. Fucking nothing. Start
a new character and I'm like, I'm

906
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:20,039
just gonna get weird. I'm gonna
go with things I never pick. I'll

907
01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:28,840
go with the the Holy Water and
the Bible and the lightning bowlt instead the

908
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:30,519
Lightning Ring. And then of course
you got a whole new building never played,

909
01:00:30,519 --> 01:00:34,840
and like, oh shit, another
half hour's gone, and that unlocks

910
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:38,679
something in the thing. And then
I'm like, oh great, now now

911
01:00:38,719 --> 01:00:44,199
I know the combination of fully upgrade. Oh what's the new not new?

912
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:46,880
I don't think there's the character that
has the like spell that goes vertical.

913
01:00:47,239 --> 01:00:52,000
Oh that one's cool. Yeah,
I got it. I found the upgrade

914
01:00:52,119 --> 01:00:55,679
to or the combination of items to
upgrade that fully and like, oh this

915
01:00:55,719 --> 01:01:00,199
is just fucking very overpowered. But
everything that games overpowered the whole point I

916
01:01:00,199 --> 01:01:04,400
guess, same with Bilatro, same
with all these good flight games. But

917
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:08,239
there's something about the pacing that game, where it's all right, half hour

918
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:10,840
and you get up to the point
where you're like, you can I think

919
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:15,880
you know, we at around ten
minutes or so, I think you know

920
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:17,719
whether you are gonna do well that
run or not, which I think you

921
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:21,920
could actually call that a flaw to
the game, because as a roguelike,

922
01:01:22,039 --> 01:01:23,800
you're like, all right, well, I kind of know. I don't

923
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:28,039
think there's any bouncing back if by
ten minutes I'm still kind of struggling.

924
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,880
That's not true, but I always
feel like if by ten minutes I'm not

925
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:36,320
already feeling very overpowered, I'm not
gonna win it. It's just like such

926
01:01:36,519 --> 01:01:38,360
that is. I don't know that
another game has ever put me in a

927
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:43,000
flow state the way that game has
that has just makes the half hours melt

928
01:01:43,079 --> 01:01:46,840
by Billatro is fucking unreal. However, I'm still and this is just as

929
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:52,719
much a knock against Vampire Survivors as
it is a praising Blatro. But like

930
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:58,280
Balatro, for all of it,
for all of the ease of use for

931
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,519
that game, I'm still thinking pretty
constantly for that game, so like Vampire

932
01:02:01,519 --> 01:02:06,119
Survivors is very different because I had
David Diver and Dredge loaded up. I

933
01:02:06,159 --> 01:02:08,519
have the DLC for Dredge, the
Arctic one. I meant to play that

934
01:02:08,559 --> 01:02:10,519
on the way back, but again
I was just like, I fucking I

935
01:02:10,519 --> 01:02:15,519
don't want to be on this flight
going Vampire Survivors that's my junk food.

936
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:20,599
It still just feels fucking incredible to
play, even if I'm not unlocking stuff.

937
01:02:20,679 --> 01:02:25,239
I just can't imagine a better way
to kill time in a in such

938
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:29,559
a satisfying way. If you're playing
on a Steam Deck or Switch, I

939
01:02:29,559 --> 01:02:31,079
know, it's pretty much the exact
same thing. Seam Deck, Yeah,

940
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:36,239
deck, So is there not?
I was the under the impression I assumed

941
01:02:36,239 --> 01:02:37,920
there was a new DLC, but
you're started playing it again. Oh okay,

942
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,440
no there, Well, sorry,
there was. I'm trying to think

943
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,920
of the last one. What it
would have been. Uh. They've added

944
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,039
a few patches that introduced like a
character here and there, But the last

945
01:02:46,079 --> 01:02:49,719
DLC I think would have been last
summer. Have you played since then?

946
01:02:50,719 --> 01:02:52,000
Oh? No, there was the
The among Us one was in like December

947
01:02:52,119 --> 01:02:55,480
or so, there was. I
might actually be up there probably up to

948
01:02:55,559 --> 01:02:59,559
date. So like, again,
I don't have anything new content wise to

949
01:02:59,599 --> 01:03:02,480
sell you. I just still think
it is my like front runner for best

950
01:03:02,519 --> 01:03:07,480
flight game ever. And Blotro I
was just as almost about to load that

951
01:03:07,599 --> 01:03:14,119
up. And again Blotro I still
I would actually probably say Bilotro is a

952
01:03:14,119 --> 01:03:19,880
better game, but Vampire Survivors still
just if you want to just fucking act

953
01:03:20,119 --> 01:03:22,760
an hour and a half three runs
of you could do a lot worse than

954
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:28,639
three runs of Vampire Survivors. Think
how long a flight to Philly is really

955
01:03:28,639 --> 01:03:30,679
good time for from Minneapolis? Like
two and a half tops? Probably nice?

956
01:03:30,719 --> 01:03:35,800
Okay, now I'm curious. It
can't be that you you are not

957
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:38,760
far from anywhere in the States.
You have that's nice, pretty awesome.

958
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:43,519
Yeah. Yeah, How long does
like a really solid Bilatro run take though,

959
01:03:43,559 --> 01:03:46,480
because I feel like it takes a
couple hours if you're like really yeah,

960
01:03:46,679 --> 01:03:51,480
if you're really considering, like I
think, if you have like one

961
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:53,440
of those flesh runs where it's like
you're just picking red or black, you

962
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:57,480
know that can go super fast.
But like if it's a more kind of

963
01:03:57,559 --> 01:04:01,360
nuanced build, I can see it
going with endless mode. Yeah, I

964
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:04,360
was just saying maybe maybe forty five
minutes. I don't think it's as quick

965
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:08,000
as a Vampire Survivor's run, but
I could be very wrong. It's just

966
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:13,679
Vampire Survivors is so fucking like constant, just dumb, half present. Yeah,

967
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:15,760
if you want to hear more about
this, we talked about it's virtues

968
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:19,320
as opposed to elden Ring in our
Game of the Year twenty twenty two.

969
01:04:23,199 --> 01:04:26,599
But Billatro, I'm definitely more engaged. But if you are like kind of

970
01:04:26,599 --> 01:04:30,679
brain dead and just want like a
not all the time, I mean at

971
01:04:30,679 --> 01:04:33,880
that current geez, what are you
saying about of this game at that moment

972
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:38,039
in time on the flight and you're
you're just like, I can't think I

973
01:04:38,039 --> 01:04:41,679
want to play Vampire Survivors and like
fucking throw some knives at some skeletons for

974
01:04:41,719 --> 01:04:45,199
a bit and then those knives become
a machine gun of knives. Yeah,

975
01:04:45,239 --> 01:04:49,079
that's great. I do two opposites
on the spectrum of playing games, right,

976
01:04:49,119 --> 01:04:51,800
because like Blatro, you do have
to have thinkum's and I think you

977
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:57,320
can really zone out when you play
Vampire Survivors. So what's nice about both

978
01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:00,559
of these? Right, Like,
as opposed to like saying which one's better,

979
01:05:00,599 --> 01:05:03,199
Which ones like the ultimate? I
think they actually are both should be

980
01:05:03,239 --> 01:05:10,079
installed in your steam deck on a
plane ready to mentally go. It's Bilottro

981
01:05:10,199 --> 01:05:12,440
all day. And when you're like
I need to go to sleepy time,

982
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,760
that's Vampire Survivors. Like you can
do that with like nothing up there.

983
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:20,079
You can be like half you could
be on so many plane drugs and you

984
01:05:20,119 --> 01:05:25,079
could still win. Yeah. I
find that, like with Vampire Survivors,

985
01:05:25,079 --> 01:05:27,800
I pretty much always want something on, like you know in the background that

986
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:30,840
I'm half watching, or a podcast
or something with pasts, especially if I

987
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:32,880
like got a really good run going, I'm thinking, if you can,

988
01:05:33,599 --> 01:05:39,039
I'm just playing Bolotro. You know, I didn't want absolutely agree. I

989
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:42,599
think even when you are building up
one of those like holy shit, I'm

990
01:05:42,599 --> 01:05:45,519
getting the best possible jokers for this
flush run. The most thinking at that

991
01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:49,320
point is like do I want to
discard a couple of things right now or

992
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:53,280
do I not? And then yep, okay, what if I hit the

993
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:56,360
boss where I can only do one
of each hand, I can't rely on

994
01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:00,000
flushes. Let's start building out the
two pair or something. You're still gonna

995
01:06:00,159 --> 01:06:04,760
thinking with Bilatro, I just pay
Yeah, that is that June Uranus.

996
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:08,480
Yeah, yeah, you're in.
You know it is. I know.

997
01:06:09,239 --> 01:06:14,079
I did play some Bilatro on the
way to San Francisco two four flights ago

998
01:06:14,119 --> 01:06:20,039
and the way there for GC,
and I went hard on full House and

999
01:06:20,079 --> 01:06:24,880
I full house is just fucking I
figured it out. And full House is

1000
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:30,559
great because what jokers did I have? I had jokers for three of a

1001
01:06:30,639 --> 01:06:34,000
kind and and then I just amped
I combined the joker that gave me three

1002
01:06:34,039 --> 01:06:38,119
of a kind bonuses, and then
I amped up the three of a kind,

1003
01:06:38,199 --> 01:06:42,320
and then I amped up the actual
to the pair, which I believe

1004
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:46,119
is Mars Jupiter, whatever it is, and then that way, and then

1005
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:49,440
if I hit the full house,
I was also amping that up with jokers

1006
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,719
and whatnot. And I like that
way. When I hit the Boss where

1007
01:06:51,719 --> 01:06:56,159
I could only do one, all
three of those three of a kind and

1008
01:06:56,239 --> 01:07:01,000
pair and full House were so ramped
up that I crushed that boss blind.

1009
01:07:02,119 --> 01:07:06,559
And the full house itself is I
think full House at the base is four

1010
01:07:06,679 --> 01:07:11,599
multiplier. I could be wrong,
maybe I think it's four. So like,

1011
01:07:11,639 --> 01:07:14,519
you start pretty well off there,
but then you get the right jokers

1012
01:07:14,519 --> 01:07:19,480
where it's you know, discarding does
whatever. It's a benefit. So you're

1013
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:21,239
like, all right, well,
that's gonna be no problem to get three

1014
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:26,840
of a kind. The hardest part
with that is the reason straits and flushes,

1015
01:07:27,199 --> 01:07:30,920
in my mind, are probably the
safer way to go is because you

1016
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:32,559
start to second guess yourself when you
want three of a kind. You're like,

1017
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,280
oh, I have two fives and
two sixes, which one do I

1018
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:38,920
discard or whatever? And like to
get do I want three sixes or two

1019
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:42,159
fives? But again, full house, you can head your bets and have

1020
01:07:42,239 --> 01:07:45,000
three of one, two of another, and then if you get all five,

1021
01:07:45,159 --> 01:07:47,480
great, that's a lot. But
you can also like work your way

1022
01:07:47,519 --> 01:07:53,199
toward that full house with really amped
up pairs are really amped up three of

1023
01:07:53,239 --> 01:07:57,199
a kinds. And it's again,
as I'm saying it out loud, and

1024
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:00,239
like, I still think Billattro is
a better game the Vampire. So it's

1025
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:01,800
not it's not one or the other's
apples oranges, but I'm just saying,

1026
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:06,840
like, I think Bilatro more is
more in line with the kind of games

1027
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:14,199
I like most days, but Vampire
Survivors is such a both games want to

1028
01:08:14,239 --> 01:08:16,760
do something really well and they fucking
do it well. So I'm being very

1029
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:20,640
reductive by comparing them. I'm just
saying Vampire Survivors got me through one of

1030
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:25,479
the most hectic travel months in my
life. And that's why Vampire Survivors is

1031
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:30,039
just playing on such a base level
brain chemistry situation where it's like and it

1032
01:08:30,039 --> 01:08:32,039
also has the benefit of Like I've
done this with several people that don't play

1033
01:08:32,079 --> 01:08:34,720
video games, like my sister Katie. I was a Katie career and I

1034
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:36,760
started the new run and it's handed
out of the controller. I said,

1035
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:41,520
just just move around, don't get
hit, and like within ninety seconds is

1036
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:45,600
like, oh oh okay. Meanwhile, like I gave my dad Blatro and

1037
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:48,319
I get a Callers. None of
this makes any sense. So it's like

1038
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:51,800
I feel like it's not super accessible. Well, and my dad maybe a

1039
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:57,199
special case, but uh, there's
more involved with learning Blatro even though it

1040
01:08:57,239 --> 01:09:00,720
doesn't take that long, but like
Vampire Survivors is immediate. Your brain is

1041
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:02,560
firing, Like, okay, I
see why this is great. Yeah.

1042
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:08,680
No, they're both incredible, though, I like probably the two most essential

1043
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:15,520
Steam deck. Yeah, we really
got to a good spot with portable gaming

1044
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:18,840
ever since the switch. Didn't we
between the stage. We're in the fucking

1045
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:24,159
heyday of being able to take a
game on PC and be able to play

1046
01:09:24,159 --> 01:09:27,600
it in a plane. It's so
magical. I used to not be able

1047
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:31,079
to leave on any work trip without
my switch, and it was just like

1048
01:09:31,119 --> 01:09:34,279
I have to have it. Now
it's like, what switch? I haven't

1049
01:09:34,399 --> 01:09:39,520
charged that bitch in ages. It's
all steam Deck all the way I would.

1050
01:09:40,159 --> 01:09:42,840
I would sell so many of these. If I was like a door

1051
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:45,880
to door Steam salesman, I would
be killing it. I could do,

1052
01:09:46,079 --> 01:09:50,279
I could retire. I'm very I
love my steam Deck so much. It

1053
01:09:50,399 --> 01:09:55,279
is such an incredible device and absolutely
worth every penny I paid for it.

1054
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:59,159
God, I love fucking playing Steam
games on on a plane, and I

1055
01:09:59,199 --> 01:10:01,760
always before every trip I look,
I go and I'm like, okay,

1056
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:05,600
Elden Rings downloaded? Nice, yep, Persona five updated? If I want

1057
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:09,960
to start? If I wanted to
start a ninety five hour Persona five run,

1058
01:10:10,039 --> 01:10:13,319
okay, maybe I'll do it on
the way to SF. Oh seck,

1059
01:10:13,359 --> 01:10:15,399
I got Disco Lisium. I never
played that with touch controls, And

1060
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:19,279
then what what am I fucking doing? I have? I had Vampire Survivors

1061
01:10:19,279 --> 01:10:24,760
now I have that ambilatro. That's
you really don't need much more Like you

1062
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:28,279
could go to Hawaii from New York
just playing Vampire Survivors. You would play

1063
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:32,079
eighteen times and you'd be fine.
I really think prior to the switch and

1064
01:10:32,079 --> 01:10:35,760
you could make arguments for PSP and
and Vida because those were more powerful than

1065
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:40,720
traditional handheld But like you know,
portable game has been around since the early

1066
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:44,439
nineties in a big way, and
but it was always like, Okay,

1067
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:45,840
here's the game boy version of this, or here's the game of your version

1068
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:47,479
of this, and it's like,
okay, it's going to be like,

1069
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:49,800
yeah, you can play Tony Hawk
on a game Boy bands, but it's

1070
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:53,279
asometric, it's not these It's still
good. There's still a lot of really

1071
01:10:53,279 --> 01:10:56,159
great games on the game boy bands. But you were accepting, yeah,

1072
01:10:56,239 --> 01:10:59,880
that the version of it was going
to be a different thing out of necessity.

1073
01:11:00,319 --> 01:11:04,159
Whereas ever since again I actually I
will discount the PSPN bet that those

1074
01:11:04,199 --> 01:11:09,239
libraries were terrible. So ever since
the switch and now the Steam Deck,

1075
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:12,640
you know, like obviously you're not
running things at four K, you know,

1076
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:15,159
sixty frames a second on the Steam
Deck a lot of times, but

1077
01:11:15,399 --> 01:11:18,399
you're playing big fucking new games on
the Steam Deck and bringing your sage,

1078
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:23,920
which sure on that thing. Yeah, it's crazy. The chasm is so

1079
01:11:24,119 --> 01:11:28,880
much narrower now than it was back
in the day. It's just it's such

1080
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:31,520
a good time to be traveling playing
video games. You have to like respect

1081
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:38,159
the technology advancement in our time.
And I just feel so honored that after

1082
01:11:38,199 --> 01:11:44,479
playing Mike, Yeah, my Sega
Genesis Days, which was like also like

1083
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:47,279
well the game Gear, which was
the same game. I could play the

1084
01:11:47,319 --> 01:11:51,039
Sega Genesis games on my game Gear. It was the same game, and

1085
01:11:51,079 --> 01:11:56,399
I was like, the future is
now, like we are really getting there

1086
01:11:56,479 --> 01:12:00,560
where you are going to be seeing
people playing just like crazy ze visceral games

1087
01:12:01,039 --> 01:12:04,399
on their little devices on a plane, and then you can kill them and

1088
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:09,800
take it from them. It's just
awesome what like we're able to do on

1089
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:12,800
top of that. So all the
new games and everything are great, But

1090
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:15,840
like when I went to Boston,
I packed my switch and I packed my

1091
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:19,239
Analog pocket and I got super into
Mario Golf for the game Boy, a

1092
01:12:19,239 --> 01:12:23,880
game that came out in nineteen ninety
nine. And so but now I'm playing

1093
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,800
on this thing that's got like great
battery life, and the screen is super

1094
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:29,039
duper sharp, and I can use
save states, and I can have every

1095
01:12:29,079 --> 01:12:31,079
fucking game on the console, and
so like, even if I want to

1096
01:12:31,079 --> 01:12:34,520
play old portable games, that situation
is a million times better than ever.

1097
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:36,720
And then I can pull out my
switch in the same bag and play all

1098
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:42,640
these new games and oh man,
it's just it's a good time. Yeah.

1099
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:47,720
Love that. Yeah. Outside of
that, I've heard divisive things about

1100
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:50,600
Rise of the Ronan. I want
to try it still because I fucking love

1101
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:55,159
most things that Ninja theory does.
I was curious about it, and then

1102
01:12:55,279 --> 01:12:57,479
I asked like four or five people
that were playing it, and they all

1103
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:00,520
said different variations of it's boring.
I was like, all right, I

1104
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:01,600
got other stuff I can play.
I want to try it, just because

1105
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:05,960
I liked Wolong quite a bit.
I liked Neo one. I never Neo

1106
01:13:06,039 --> 01:13:09,439
two is also high on my list
as well. I just like everything they've

1107
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:13,000
done, so I want to I
want to try it out. But I've

1108
01:13:13,039 --> 01:13:15,680
played more Dragons Dogma two me too, and I don't want to fucking hear

1109
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:19,920
about friction in game design ever.
Again, However, I do still think

1110
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:26,319
that that game is a I'm just
fucking around that game and it's fun.

1111
01:13:27,239 --> 01:13:30,399
It's still so rough around the edges, but like I'm enjoying just getting new

1112
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:33,960
ponds, and like my friend's pond
omelet food truck is the biggest dumbass,

1113
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:39,079
but he speaks Elvish, so I'm
keeping in my party. H And I'm

1114
01:13:39,159 --> 01:13:42,760
just god, I saw an not
an exploit. I saw someone the other

1115
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:49,079
day. Your ponds can catch you
when you're It happened with Grub. He

1116
01:13:49,199 --> 01:13:53,720
was streaming it and he was fighting
a griffin and he was flying around through

1117
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:57,119
the air, stabbing a griffin and
he got shaken up. And Dark Mitch,

1118
01:13:57,319 --> 01:14:00,279
which is his pawnd, just was
standing on a roof and just caught

1119
01:14:00,319 --> 01:14:02,760
him from the sky. So there's
something else. So if you're at the

1120
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:06,239
top of a tall cliff, you
have your pawn, what you can do

1121
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:10,119
if you're an archer, I believe
there's an upgrade for the archer where you

1122
01:14:10,199 --> 01:14:14,399
can shoot a healing arrow, pick
up your pawn, throw them off the

1123
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:18,760
tall cliff they're gonna get down,
shoot them with the healing arrow to revive

1124
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:21,079
them, and then you can jump
off any cliff they're going to catch you

1125
01:14:21,079 --> 01:14:26,319
as long as you land clear,
like close enough. And that's the shit

1126
01:14:26,399 --> 01:14:30,119
I love about that game Shadow of
mort or State of Decay two, et

1127
01:14:30,239 --> 01:14:33,279
cetera. I'm like, I don't
give I don't I could not tell you

1128
01:14:33,279 --> 01:14:38,880
the first thing that's happening in the
scripted, you know, the linear narrative,

1129
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:42,600
like sure, I'll go to that
city or that town just because my

1130
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:45,319
one pawn. And like the fact
that the pawns are teaching each other is

1131
01:14:45,359 --> 01:14:48,600
so fucking cool because they're like,
oh, I was with someone last week,

1132
01:14:49,079 --> 01:14:51,680
or they didn't say that. They're
like I was with in another world

1133
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:58,159
where they showed me how to kill
the cyclops better. And then you hear

1134
01:14:58,199 --> 01:15:00,479
their weak Oh, the cyclops is
obvious. You know, they're points to

1135
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:01,680
one eye, but they're like,
oh, I think so, yeah,

1136
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:05,039
their buttthole. And then you're like, oh, a griffin if you use

1137
01:15:05,119 --> 01:15:09,279
this element against them, they hate
ice or whatever. And then you're like

1138
01:15:09,319 --> 01:15:11,760
telling your mage this shit. It's
like, that's the kind of stuff I'm

1139
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:14,279
playing that game for. I don't
know what I'm going to get into every

1140
01:15:14,279 --> 01:15:15,199
time I sit down and play it, but then I play for two hours.

1141
01:15:15,239 --> 01:15:20,840
I'm like I followed all these narratives
that were laid out by the systems

1142
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:27,560
of the game, which still is
infinitely more impressive to me than than when

1143
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:30,560
like Cradosina Treas have this heart to
harp. Well, it's again there's That's

1144
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:33,560
not to say there's not good writing
in games like There's that's that's all very

1145
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:36,399
impressive as well, But like I
like it when I kind of sift through

1146
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:40,319
and find my own thing based on
like this thing that I rose out of

1147
01:15:40,319 --> 01:15:43,600
the game, So I'm liking that
game much more. It's still so fucking

1148
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:45,720
rough around the edges, but and
I don't want to forgive it for that

1149
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:49,920
because the first game was too before
dark O Risen the like definitive edition.

1150
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:56,319
But I still fucking really like in
Dragon's Dogma. It's totally one of those

1151
01:15:56,359 --> 01:15:58,239
games that, like, if I
was back at game and Form when writing

1152
01:15:58,239 --> 01:16:00,720
a review of this, it would
be a hard one to score because it's

1153
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:03,279
like I would feel like there's a
gap between my enjoyment of the game and

1154
01:16:03,319 --> 01:16:06,079
then like what you could give it
score wise, because like you have to

1155
01:16:06,119 --> 01:16:10,399
acknowledge that, like, Okay,
there are there are performance issues on certain

1156
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:12,560
consoles. There are you know,
they're rough around the edges of things,

1157
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:14,600
so it's like there are things that
would kind of like, you know,

1158
01:16:15,279 --> 01:16:18,359
but I'm liking it if it was
just my enjoyment, the fun factor.

1159
01:16:18,359 --> 01:16:20,880
It's it's a nine point five,
but you know, probably ends up getting

1160
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:24,800
an eight point five or eighty.
You know. Yeah, that's and that's

1161
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:27,520
why I just want to keep playing
that. And then I really want to

1162
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:32,279
go back to Infinite Wealth, because
god, I got so I I got

1163
01:16:32,319 --> 01:16:38,000
deep in Dundoku Island. Yeah,
I did the whole thing before like six

1164
01:16:38,079 --> 01:16:41,119
hours, and I'm not I don't
know. I got to get back to

1165
01:16:41,159 --> 01:16:44,880
that game and progress because I've just
been doing that. It's hard once you

1166
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:48,199
go to Dandoko Island because or not
nok Island. I can't talk don Doko

1167
01:16:48,239 --> 01:16:51,079
Island because then you get wrapped up
in that, and it's like, that's

1168
01:16:51,159 --> 01:16:56,560
really reasonable to the mainland. What
the fuck? I want to fight?

1169
01:16:57,479 --> 01:17:01,760
I want to fight these trash pirates
and yeah, upgrade to my beach farm

1170
01:17:03,119 --> 01:17:06,640
and then I still have Final Fantasy
Rebirth to play. I got a bunch,

1171
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:11,720
but like and I'm still playing Warhammer, which is all to say that,

1172
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:15,960
like, since I started a new
job, it's been pretty nice obviously

1173
01:17:16,279 --> 01:17:20,000
for the consulting projects. It's like, all right, well, it would

1174
01:17:20,039 --> 01:17:23,479
be super helpful to play this game
that came out two years ago that I

1175
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:26,640
never touched, just so I understand
what they were doing, how it might

1176
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:30,079
pertain to this new game, you
know, like if it's a prequel or

1177
01:17:30,239 --> 01:17:32,640
just in general, if we like
doing, you know, prepping a developer

1178
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:35,920
publisher to get into a new genre
they're not used to. I should try

1179
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:41,000
out Low Long, Fallen Dynasty,
et cetera. But outside of that,

1180
01:17:41,079 --> 01:17:45,399
it's kind of freeing aside from fire
Escape. Even on fire Escape, I

1181
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:48,720
think all three of us stay pretty
current, but I feel way less obligated

1182
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:55,239
to play everything new and now I
would not mind. I don't mind the

1183
01:17:55,239 --> 01:17:58,199
fact that I have not played Rebirth
yet. And this is such an inside

1184
01:17:58,199 --> 01:18:00,399
baseball, like very specific to our
job kind of thing, and I don't

1185
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:03,399
want to linger on it too much. But it's just like nice to have

1186
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:06,640
rebirth therapy. Like maybe I'll play
it over the fucking holidays this year.

1187
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:12,680
I have Rise of the Ronan.
Maybe i'll check that out over the summer

1188
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:15,520
when Amanda's traveling. Like it's I
don't know, it's such a weird little

1189
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:18,640
thing like to be able to enjoy
video games at my own pace, again

1190
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:23,880
aside from the stuff that's pertinent into
the upcoming project. But turns out it's

1191
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:28,920
nice when it's largely a hobby again
as opposed to just you know, but

1192
01:18:29,039 --> 01:18:31,159
again for fire Escape people that listen
to us for games. I'm still gonna

1193
01:18:31,239 --> 01:18:36,880
stay current as much as I can. But yeah, outside of that,

1194
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:41,439
I do want to play Rise of
the Ronan as as many people have told

1195
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:43,319
me. Like I was talking to
Jake and he was saying, like,

1196
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:47,920
it feels very inorganic to travel around
this world. And I trust Jake's opinion

1197
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:51,960
on open world games specifically or many
things, but like specifically open world games.

1198
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:55,439
So I want to try it out
for myself, just to keep up

1199
01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:58,479
with win Ninja theories doing which kind
of refutes what I was just saying,

1200
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:02,479
But I'll try it. Dan,
you and I have been kind of tag

1201
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:05,279
team teaming a game. I didn't
realize you'd be playing it, but I

1202
01:19:05,319 --> 01:19:09,199
should have because I actually think these
are very This is kind of like a

1203
01:19:09,399 --> 01:19:13,920
you and me style game, So
I'm very curious your early thoughts on Pepper

1204
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:18,039
Grinder. Yeah, I played the
first two worlds. I think I'm in

1205
01:19:18,039 --> 01:19:21,319
the world three now, but I
played all that last night and I like

1206
01:19:21,399 --> 01:19:26,680
it a lot. I like games
that have gimmicks that are tied to mobility

1207
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:29,600
that work really well, and like, right away, you know you've got

1208
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:31,359
a drill, and there are parts
of the world that you can drill through,

1209
01:19:31,359 --> 01:19:34,039
and it's pretty clearly marked when you
can, and the fact that you

1210
01:19:34,039 --> 01:19:38,000
can, like you can boost at
any point, and like you can boost

1211
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:40,640
through the ground and do like I
echo the alp and like bursting out of

1212
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:43,800
the water thing, like flying up
in the air, and that feels good

1213
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:45,359
right away. But I'm getting to
the points now where it's like, oh

1214
01:19:45,399 --> 01:19:47,800
shit, now I have this like
grapple hook ability where I don't know if

1215
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:50,840
you've gotten to that, where it's
I'm in the ice world. So I'm

1216
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:54,199
in the world for you. I
think, yeah, okay, you're a

1217
01:19:54,199 --> 01:19:56,119
world past me. So yeah,
I just got to the stuff where it's

1218
01:19:56,119 --> 01:19:59,079
like I'm bursting out of the sand
and then I'm hitting X to like whip

1219
01:19:59,079 --> 01:20:01,039
myself around this and launch myself into
another thing, and then I'm bouncing off

1220
01:20:01,039 --> 01:20:05,920
an enemy. I'm drilling through another
Uh there is a like combo type feel

1221
01:20:06,319 --> 01:20:09,039
to this where it's like I kind
of feel like I could just be in

1222
01:20:09,079 --> 01:20:12,680
a flow throughout the whole level.
I never stopped moving. There's a locomotion

1223
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:15,000
to this game that doesn't really stop
and I love it. Yeah, this

1224
01:20:15,079 --> 01:20:19,760
game, this is a Devolver game
for anyone who's who's curious, and it

1225
01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:24,359
reminds me a lot of Celeste,
but instead of being a depression, it's

1226
01:20:24,359 --> 01:20:30,159
about anger management because it seem's fucking
hard, and it's really about being able

1227
01:20:30,199 --> 01:20:36,439
to control a fast moving, tiny
thing on a screen with a lot of

1228
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:42,159
obstacles in your way, and it
does become so chiny, Dan you are

1229
01:20:42,279 --> 01:20:46,479
it is preparing you. Level four
is essentially like hey, okay, let

1230
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:49,520
me let's go back level one.
It's like, hey, did you know

1231
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:54,800
that you can drill through sand and
shoot out of the sand. Now you're

1232
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:57,640
gonna need to be able to control
your drill so that you can get all

1233
01:20:57,680 --> 01:21:00,439
these gems. That is the game's
very nice way of saying, in the

1234
01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:04,119
future, we're going to make everything
that's not sand lava, and if you

1235
01:21:04,199 --> 01:21:09,680
touch anything outside of this very specific
line, you will die, and everybody

1236
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:15,680
you love will die. It's it
ramps up the difficulty so quickly that at

1237
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:18,279
first I was like, I'm going
to try and get all these secret coins

1238
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:24,199
and I'm going to try one hundred
percent these levels, and then level four

1239
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:30,520
I'm like, I made it,
or you just get a checkpoint, thank

1240
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:35,079
I missed the first three coins.
That like whipping sweat off my brow.

1241
01:21:35,399 --> 01:21:39,720
This game is very difficult. This
is for game or ass gamers. I

1242
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:43,880
do want to clarify. This game
has an element to it that is like

1243
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:48,199
if you get frustrated about being able
to get through a chain sequence of events

1244
01:21:48,199 --> 01:21:51,359
and they get chainier Dan, where
like you have to do everything right,

1245
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:56,840
or it takes you back to the
previous save spot that's ten minutes before,

1246
01:21:57,199 --> 01:22:01,479
and it will make you very frustrated. You have to start memorizing the systems

1247
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:05,399
that it's teaching you so you can
do them quickly and as they ask you

1248
01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:08,640
to do them, so that you
could survive to the next checkpoint. It

1249
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:10,880
is getting to that point and I'm
only on area for I don't know how

1250
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:14,439
big this is getting. It's got
Mario esque level design where it has an

1251
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:15,920
open it has like a not an
open world. It has like a world

1252
01:22:16,119 --> 01:22:20,239
where you go to the next area. As you progress to this game,

1253
01:22:20,359 --> 01:22:26,399
these new areas, they just introduce
bombs, Dan, I mean they're they're

1254
01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:31,880
fucking everywhere, and oh, there's
really cool. I'm scared to I want

1255
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:35,319
to spoil like one little thing because
the thing about the gun that's really cool

1256
01:22:35,359 --> 01:22:40,439
is your drill is your weapon.
It's the ultimate thing that you do.

1257
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:45,359
But you can put your drill into
stuff and it moves levers, it can

1258
01:22:45,359 --> 01:22:48,159
if it becomes the key, which
is really I think it's really smart what

1259
01:22:48,199 --> 01:22:51,359
they've done here. Like you said, you can put it in a gun

1260
01:22:51,399 --> 01:22:56,359
and it shoots super fun. But
in the ice world, you could put

1261
01:22:56,399 --> 01:23:02,079
it in a like a snow mobile
and then you drive. Oh really yes,

1262
01:23:03,039 --> 01:23:09,039
and it's really fucking fun the game
when it's on slaps, it is

1263
01:23:09,319 --> 01:23:14,079
very fun to be able to drive
these cool devices. There's almost puzzly elements

1264
01:23:14,119 --> 01:23:17,800
to how you can construct it.
When the game is good, it's good.

1265
01:23:18,079 --> 01:23:21,439
I will say, like, I
have some issues with some of the

1266
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:27,319
mechanics. I think they're pushing players
a little hard, and I don't know

1267
01:23:27,319 --> 01:23:30,239
if it's necessary. When you're putting
gems fucking everywhere, it's very difficult to

1268
01:23:30,279 --> 01:23:34,439
get all these gems, and the
payoff is like you can buy her hair

1269
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:39,720
in blue, and it's like about
that or something like a non permanent health

1270
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:43,800
thing, Like, yeah, it's
not a valuable payoff for me to try

1271
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:46,960
and get all these gems or even
all these coins. Quite frankly, it

1272
01:23:47,119 --> 01:23:51,000
just doesn't seem like you can justify
it in some of these spaces. I've

1273
01:23:51,039 --> 01:23:55,159
also been in some areas where I'm
like, I know what you're trying to

1274
01:23:55,159 --> 01:23:58,560
get me to do, and I
think that you could have designed this a

1275
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:02,279
bit smoother so that it would have
been easier for me to learn what you're

1276
01:24:02,319 --> 01:24:05,520
expecting me to do. Here.
The grapple is a good example of that,

1277
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:10,520
where I don't actually think they trained
the player very well how to use

1278
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:14,319
the grapple, Like they throw you
into it and are like figure it out,

1279
01:24:14,359 --> 01:24:19,319
bitch. They did not really prepare
me for how important that grapple is

1280
01:24:19,359 --> 01:24:21,800
going to be in the game,
so you need to like really understand how

1281
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:25,079
it works. And I died a
bunch of times, like yeah, the

1282
01:24:25,119 --> 01:24:27,000
first time it does that, because
like, oh, it's whipping you around

1283
01:24:27,039 --> 01:24:30,119
really fast and just getting the timing
and the you know, the angle you

1284
01:24:30,159 --> 01:24:31,720
have to take for the next jump
and everything like it throws you into the

1285
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:34,560
fire with that. It really does. I think this game again, I

1286
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:36,800
think this is a game er ask
game. This is for people who are

1287
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:41,760
like, enjoy a challenge, they
are not afraid of dying again and again

1288
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:44,840
and again. I really do compare
it to Celeste for that reason, because

1289
01:24:45,039 --> 01:24:48,119
there's Churn and Celestio where you're like, I can fucking do this, It's

1290
01:24:48,199 --> 01:24:51,119
just gonna take me ten more minutes
of hell. This game is similar.

1291
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:56,840
I would say it's more complicated and
more difficult and not as it is not

1292
01:24:56,880 --> 01:25:00,239
as refined as celest in my opinion, but it is very good and absolute

1293
01:25:00,439 --> 01:25:03,479
like squeaks of joy when I have
beat boss fights and things like that.

1294
01:25:04,399 --> 01:25:08,039
You know, I definitely see this
less comparison. And something that I keep

1295
01:25:08,039 --> 01:25:12,800
thinking of too is Donkey Kong Country
because the overworld it really reminds me of

1296
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:15,119
that because it's like, you know, fairly linear and every once in my

1297
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:17,000
branch op and oh I can go
to the shop and I bought a key

1298
01:25:17,039 --> 01:25:19,560
from the shop, and now and
go over here the secret level. Yeah

1299
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:23,720
yeah, yeah, very simple branching
paths, you know, same general level

1300
01:25:24,039 --> 01:25:25,960
amount of levels, and then a
boss fight at the end. Then he

1301
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:28,399
moved one to the next one.
And then there's levels that are straight up

1302
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:30,880
just like Donkey Kong Country, barrel
sequences and stuff where you are using the

1303
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:34,640
drill to launch yourself through all these
different devices and things, and the boss

1304
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:38,439
fights are very Donkeyknng Country. It's
usually just like one screen, a lot

1305
01:25:38,479 --> 01:25:41,119
of pattern recognition, a lot of
like, oh, I can attack the

1306
01:25:41,159 --> 01:25:43,399
weak spot and then this guy pops
off and I can attack him. And

1307
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:46,640
yeah, I was not expecting the
Donkey Kong Country feelings to come from this,

1308
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:49,279
but I never thought about that until
you said it. But I think

1309
01:25:49,279 --> 01:25:56,079
that's really fair, and I think
it does invoke young the younger generation of

1310
01:25:56,159 --> 01:26:00,760
games where it's like get good.
Sorry it's so tough. We're not going

1311
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:03,119
to explain ho all these mechanics work. You will just have to die until

1312
01:26:03,159 --> 01:26:08,399
you solve it. There's probably life
there though, forgetting, like yeah,

1313
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:11,960
it's not forgiving at all. But
the thing is like it's it's learned from

1314
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:14,800
those old games where the old game
is still just worked on like live systems,

1315
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:17,399
so it's like, oh, yeah, I lost three lives and now

1316
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:20,079
I got to start this whole Donkey
Kong country level over again. Here there

1317
01:26:20,079 --> 01:26:23,880
are checkpoints, and it's like you
die and die and die and die,

1318
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:27,640
but you're just going back to the
checkpoint. So it's true. Yeah,

1319
01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:30,239
I think that's really fair of you
to say. For as difficult as this

1320
01:26:30,359 --> 01:26:33,439
game is, you can never actually
end game, right, right, It's

1321
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:38,039
just a matter of whether or not
you choose to quit, because you have

1322
01:26:38,079 --> 01:26:41,880
as many lives as you want.
But because the game does that, it

1323
01:26:43,159 --> 01:26:48,159
puts you into some absolutely ridiculous scenarios
where like, it's very difficult to get

1324
01:26:48,199 --> 01:26:51,680
through it. And again, I'm
just trying to get through it. I

1325
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:56,239
am not going for all of the
gems, and I'm not going for all

1326
01:26:56,279 --> 01:26:59,600
the coins, and I am barely
getting to the next checkpoint, and I

1327
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:03,399
am satisfied with that. People who
want one hundred percent games, good fucking

1328
01:27:03,479 --> 01:27:06,880
luck. This is a very difficult
game to one hundred percent. I couldn't

1329
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:11,680
imagine the amount of time it would
take to get through it. Yeah,

1330
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:15,560
I'm just e can buy every level. I Yeah, this is very difficult,

1331
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:20,000
but again, very enjoyable. If
you liked, uh, maybe like

1332
01:27:20,039 --> 01:27:25,079
a hardcore platformer. That's like asking
a lot of you. Super me Boy

1333
01:27:25,119 --> 01:27:28,680
is a good example. I was
carriaged like uh like dust force like something

1334
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:32,960
where it's like it's asking for like
a very pinpoint mechanic recognition of like when

1335
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:38,079
you need to hit the button at
the exact time. That's that's what you're

1336
01:27:38,079 --> 01:27:41,399
getting with this bad Boy. But
the boss fights mix it up, which

1337
01:27:41,439 --> 01:27:44,960
I like as well. It's almost
like those sequences in or where you know

1338
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:47,439
there'd be like this cinematical kind of
chase sequences in Orie's just like you know,

1339
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:49,279
just you got to make sure you're
hitting those wall gems. You got

1340
01:27:49,319 --> 01:27:50,760
to make sure you're doing this at
the right time. Then you got to

1341
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:54,760
swing the right way. Like yeah, it's like that. I think that

1342
01:27:54,880 --> 01:28:00,199
they they nailed the mechanic that they
wanted with this, and it is very

1343
01:28:00,199 --> 01:28:02,199
fun to play. It's also fun
to look at. It's a it's a

1344
01:28:02,239 --> 01:28:06,079
cool concept. They did a good
job with the little enemy designs. It's

1345
01:28:06,079 --> 01:28:12,039
simple, but it works. The
music is good too. Yeah, I'm

1346
01:28:12,079 --> 01:28:14,479
really enjoying it. I'm going to
keep playing it. It's also perfect on

1347
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:16,840
the Steam deck, so it's great. I'm going to play it tomorrow on

1348
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:20,680
my flight. Like this is my
fly game right now, just to get

1349
01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:26,239
me through the next area. So
it's great. Yeah, good one too.

1350
01:28:27,079 --> 01:28:30,479
Didn't anything else? Uh well,
yeah, I've been playing all the

1351
01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:33,239
newest hottest games Marry right that?
Or is that? No? I wrote

1352
01:28:33,279 --> 01:28:38,439
that because I've been playing all the
newest hottest games, like the aforementioned Mario

1353
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:41,479
Golf for a game Boy from nineteen
ninety nine. I've played a good you

1354
01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:45,439
know, six or seven hours of
that recently. Also the Jetsons Cogswell's Caper

1355
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:51,199
for the nes You remember the Jetson's
game, Remember how everyone yet? Yeah?

1356
01:28:51,359 --> 01:28:55,399
Yeah, everyone in home is saying, yes, we remember. Yeah.

1357
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:58,960
I've been looking for a speed run
game and I don't know why are

1358
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:01,119
we deciding the jetsoning me and Mike
NAUGHTI brought it up for something and I

1359
01:29:01,119 --> 01:29:04,560
tried it. I beat it like
twice. Not going to set a speeder

1360
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:09,279
run on that. But I did
get on the speed run dot Com leaderboard

1361
01:29:09,319 --> 01:29:13,239
for Quackshot for the Genesis last night. I'm currently number forty three in the

1362
01:29:13,239 --> 01:29:17,079
world at Quackshot. After my first
attempt, but I fucked up. I

1363
01:29:17,119 --> 01:29:19,119
died. I went to the wrong
place a few times. I can like

1364
01:29:19,199 --> 01:29:23,399
easily, easily, easily climb up
that. And I like quackshot a lot

1365
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:26,239
when I was a kid, So
I think that's going to be a thing

1366
01:29:26,319 --> 01:29:29,640
for the near future, areas that
I want to try to climb that leaderboard.

1367
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:32,119
So number forty three on the Quackshot
leaderboard, you're running a half marathon.

1368
01:29:32,159 --> 01:29:36,239
You're fucking coming up in the world. Get it. I'm going to

1369
01:29:36,279 --> 01:29:41,000
give you so much shit running a
half marathon the next six months. By

1370
01:29:41,039 --> 01:29:43,960
the way, I looked up on
the map here where my hotel is in

1371
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:46,319
Philly, and like I can see
the schedule of how long I need to

1372
01:29:46,439 --> 01:29:50,119
run every day, and the distance
I have to run while I'm in Philly

1373
01:29:50,199 --> 01:29:54,880
on a couple of these days is
like almost exactly the distance from my hotel

1374
01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:57,680
to the steps, and it goes
through the park. So I'm just doing

1375
01:29:57,720 --> 01:30:00,960
the Rocky run. Like now,
I just want to watch fucking all of

1376
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,159
them, especially Creed when when Rocky's
like, hey, we're going to the

1377
01:30:03,199 --> 01:30:04,800
gym, and then he gets in
the van, He's like, just run

1378
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:08,600
behind me, follow me. How
far is It's like six miles? Like

1379
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:11,840
I'll be quick, it's early.
I'm gonna hire a bunch of guys on

1380
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:18,199
dirt bikes, So follow me around. I'm gonna comb my ass watching that

1381
01:30:18,319 --> 01:30:24,000
scene again. I love that scene
so much. It's really good. I

1382
01:30:24,039 --> 01:30:27,640
actually I have one more. I
just thought of Dan. Last time we

1383
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:30,159
did the podcast, you played Window
Kill, and so I played No Kill

1384
01:30:30,399 --> 01:30:35,279
on a screen and you stopped in. That game is really tough and super

1385
01:30:35,319 --> 01:30:39,359
annoying. I felt like I couldn't
blink when I was playing it. It

1386
01:30:39,439 --> 01:30:42,079
hurt my eyes. Yeah, I
tuned in, and you know, I

1387
01:30:42,439 --> 01:30:44,720
go to your thing and the ad
plays, and as soon as it ended,

1388
01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:46,760
I just see you crying and like, what the fuck happened here?

1389
01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:53,960
Like just tears falling down my face. Because this game is very high paced,

1390
01:30:54,479 --> 01:31:01,039
fast paced, high paced, high
paced action. I couldn't blink because

1391
01:31:01,079 --> 01:31:03,479
if you blink, chances are something's
going to hit you. It's just a

1392
01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:11,840
consistent bullet hell. There's always something
coming at you. And because the windows

1393
01:31:12,399 --> 01:31:15,159
the concept of the game as you
described it, there's multiple windows and they

1394
01:31:15,199 --> 01:31:18,279
actually connect in the game. So
maybe you're getting shot at and you're like,

1395
01:31:18,319 --> 01:31:21,920
where's that coming from? So you
slowly move your window to the upper

1396
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:26,880
right of your screen, and there's
the boss for you to be able to

1397
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:30,920
acknowledge that you basically have to keep
your eyes wide that you can see all

1398
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:33,680
the different parts of your screen.
What if you put it on a giant

1399
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:39,439
ultra wide monitor, wouldn't that be
fucked up? You would die? My

1400
01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:41,960
screen is very big, and I
think it actually fucked me. Like,

1401
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:45,600
I think that's why it was so
hard. I was getting headaches from playing.

1402
01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:47,600
I had to quit. I think
I could only play it for I

1403
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:50,479
played it for about an hour,
maybe like ten minutes, and after that,

1404
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:53,840
I was like, I can't play
anymore. It hurt my head.

1405
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:58,399
Hurt my head to play that.
I was pissed. Well, I think

1406
01:31:58,399 --> 01:32:00,840
when you were when you came in. I think I was cursing your name

1407
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:01,840
because I was playing it while I
was crying, and I was like,

1408
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:05,960
what the fuck was he recommending this? This game is really difficult on your

1409
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:11,520
eyes. I I didn't care for
it. I do. I understand the

1410
01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:14,119
joy of it and the what do
you call it, like the hook?

1411
01:32:14,199 --> 01:32:16,880
Like I think it's a neat concept
that you're shootings differ. Yeah, it's

1412
01:32:16,920 --> 01:32:21,359
a fun gimmick. Yeah, but
in actual play, no, thank you.

1413
01:32:21,439 --> 01:32:26,159
If I head hurt from just getting
through a few rounds of it,

1414
01:32:26,199 --> 01:32:29,199
and it also it feels like it
just goes forever. Yeah. I played

1415
01:32:29,199 --> 01:32:30,840
like three runs or something like maybe
like fifteen minutes, and I was like,

1416
01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:33,199
that's a cool gimmick. I'll bring
that up. But yeah, it's

1417
01:32:33,199 --> 01:32:36,119
not something I've gone back to you
by any means. Yeah, I played

1418
01:32:36,159 --> 01:32:42,800
that because you recommended it. But
yeah, I've so hard to so hard

1419
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:45,880
out my brain. Yeah, I
still check it out. I like the

1420
01:32:45,880 --> 01:32:49,239
idea of it. It's a cool
concept. I do think people should look

1421
01:32:49,279 --> 01:32:54,239
at it, but be warned.
I got a headache playing it for one

1422
01:32:54,319 --> 01:33:01,239
hour. It's probably not the best
of your tmj It's a bad tmj G.

1423
01:33:01,359 --> 01:33:04,319
You can't close your eyes. Oh
new category for the game of the

1424
01:33:04,399 --> 01:33:11,079
year Worst games game require you to
worst games on your sinuses, the game

1425
01:33:11,119 --> 01:33:14,399
that requires you to chew. I
guess all the DS games are ready to

1426
01:33:14,439 --> 01:33:21,359
blow into it. Oh, pantom
Simulator. Yeah I thought you meant,

1427
01:33:21,359 --> 01:33:26,079
but that makes more sense. I
played Jerk Simulator every morning, you know

1428
01:33:26,079 --> 01:33:28,960
what I mean? Oh my god, you guys want to talk about do

1429
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:36,439
you want to emails simulating? You're
not actually doing it practicing game? What

1430
01:33:36,479 --> 01:33:41,479
are you doing? I thought you're
at work already. I'm just playing the

1431
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:46,520
jerky simulator. That's fine, right, do emails okay? As always,

1432
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:49,640
you can ran do fire skip cast
at gmail dot com. Questions, comments,

1433
01:33:49,640 --> 01:33:55,079
concerns, criticism, all of which
I take very seriously and never read

1434
01:33:55,199 --> 01:33:59,319
all of But if you just want
to write in a question about games or

1435
01:34:00,479 --> 01:34:02,159
anything else, you can ride a
fire skip cast at gmail dot com.

1436
01:34:02,479 --> 01:34:10,279
We have two one from Alex and
Mary's Bendigo, Bendigo. I'm not I

1437
01:34:10,319 --> 01:34:13,600
don't know if I'm the resident KnowledgeR, but I'm gonna say, Bendigo,

1438
01:34:14,760 --> 01:34:16,560
you are the resident KnowledgeR about Australia. I would have to say, because

1439
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:19,199
you've lived there. But I love
that I got you to repeat something that

1440
01:34:19,279 --> 01:34:28,279
was nonsensical. President KnowledgeR is not
something that resident seven. Instead of making

1441
01:34:28,319 --> 01:34:30,920
fun of me, you just absorbed
it and put it in your lingo.

1442
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:36,640
And I think that's a win,
the President KnowledgeR. Remake, Mary,

1443
01:34:36,640 --> 01:34:42,399
do you want to read this one
from Alex from Bendigo. He's from Australia.

1444
01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:47,079
Australia. Oh wiggless if I called
my youngest new medal listen in silf

1445
01:34:47,439 --> 01:34:54,279
Okay, sorry, go for it. No commit uh oh wigless. If

1446
01:34:54,279 --> 01:34:58,199
I told my younger new metal listening
self that one day I very much enjoy

1447
01:34:58,279 --> 01:35:02,199
the works of various jazz composed like
Hiromasa Suzuki and David Axelrod, I'd have

1448
01:35:02,239 --> 01:35:06,039
found it very hard to believe looking
back at your younger, more piece of

1449
01:35:06,079 --> 01:35:10,199
shit selves. What's the thing that
would make that person say, man,

1450
01:35:10,239 --> 01:35:15,600
you've changed about you now stay hod
Alex from Bendigo, Australia. That was

1451
01:35:15,640 --> 01:35:21,119
amazing. I could not do that. I can't either. It very very

1452
01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:27,800
very very so yeah, this is
pretty easy for me too. I mean,

1453
01:35:28,159 --> 01:35:30,079
yeah, you guys fucking every I
think he wrote this in to just

1454
01:35:30,079 --> 01:35:33,520
get me to be fucking douchebag.
I my younger self would be like,

1455
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:38,079
why do you care this much about? Uh wine? For sure? And

1456
01:35:38,199 --> 01:35:43,840
also I would have Actually, the
real thing I'd be shocked by is how

1457
01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:47,000
much I actually care about like handiwork
now, Because when I was young,

1458
01:35:47,239 --> 01:35:50,520
I hated nothing more than when my
dad was like, I know you want

1459
01:35:50,520 --> 01:35:54,880
to go play with your friends tomorrow, but I need like four hours from

1460
01:35:54,920 --> 01:35:57,000
you. I'm going to show you
how to change the oil in a car,

1461
01:35:57,119 --> 01:35:59,079
or I'm going to show you how
to hang this shit, Like Dad,

1462
01:35:59,560 --> 01:36:02,319
you don't stand what it's like.
I don't want to be here watching

1463
01:36:02,359 --> 01:36:05,359
you do something for four hours.
And of course now I thank him every

1464
01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:08,439
day for all the stuff he taught
me. But I'm like, if I

1465
01:36:08,479 --> 01:36:11,000
told my younger self, no,
you'll actually he's right, You'll care about

1466
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:13,159
the shit when you're older, and
it'll be nice to be able to have

1467
01:36:13,199 --> 01:36:17,439
a tangible thing that you fixed or
something that you actually did in your day

1468
01:36:17,479 --> 01:36:20,680
to day surroundings that made a difference. That would be the number one thing.

1469
01:36:20,680 --> 01:36:24,199
And I'd be like, no,
I don't believe you. I can't

1470
01:36:24,239 --> 01:36:28,560
watch my dad do use one more
different kind of wall anchor. I'm gonna

1471
01:36:28,600 --> 01:36:32,000
lose my mind. This is also
extremely easy for me, also because of

1472
01:36:32,039 --> 01:36:35,960
my dad, but in a completely
opposite way, and that because he is

1473
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:40,760
still the same guy he was back
then, and so he is that version

1474
01:36:41,359 --> 01:36:45,560
that is now telling me I've changed
all the time, that like, oh,

1475
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:48,800
your comparancy drinks now you can make
comparency cocktail wine guy, you're a

1476
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:53,039
wine guy. I know who you're
in love. I'm married, and I'm

1477
01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:59,279
those are good things for you.
That sounds stop mocked if I call my

1478
01:36:59,359 --> 01:37:03,520
wife when I'm homes got to call
my wife im or like that I put

1479
01:37:03,520 --> 01:37:09,399
the toilet seat now down because I
guess I started doing that. You're domesticated.

1480
01:37:09,439 --> 01:37:13,439
Now you're just okay. When he
goes to sleep alone, he's like,

1481
01:37:14,039 --> 01:37:23,880
that's right, like, oh man, I'm alone. This is he

1482
01:37:23,960 --> 01:37:27,880
must have been on like his like
at a different level when a Manda met

1483
01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:30,880
him, because she's like, he
doesn't he seemed like perfectly. He was

1484
01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:32,439
into karaoke, he was into the
food, very eating. He was in

1485
01:37:32,520 --> 01:37:35,319
everything. I feel like he turned
it on. Well that's the thing is

1486
01:37:35,359 --> 01:37:39,960
like he is he's a smart He's
a very very smart guy. Uh and

1487
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:44,960
he knows when to uh put on
a like I am the only person on

1488
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:48,640
the planet gets that gets the raw, undiltered Paul Record experience. Because when

1489
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:51,840
he's around the family or he's around
friends or something, you know, he's

1490
01:37:51,920 --> 01:37:55,880
just like he knows how to you
know, he's fun of not saying all

1491
01:37:55,880 --> 01:37:58,960
the things he's saying. He's funny
ship to talk to and man like he

1492
01:37:59,000 --> 01:38:00,800
was great. I was like no, I know, like he was honestly

1493
01:38:00,920 --> 01:38:03,119
like that was in rare form.
But I don't think it's that rare.

1494
01:38:03,119 --> 01:38:06,079
I think he's just like maybe he
yeah, he lowers his defenses when he's

1495
01:38:06,079 --> 01:38:10,800
with you or really enjoys busting your
balls more. He will just say everything

1496
01:38:10,840 --> 01:38:14,119
going through his head when it's just
me, But the second you add a

1497
01:38:14,159 --> 01:38:16,439
third party into the mix, then
he's like, oh, I can't fully

1498
01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:20,399
just be myself here and say all
these insane things. Yeah, Mary,

1499
01:38:20,399 --> 01:38:24,640
what would your adult thing that your
young self is like, what the fuck

1500
01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:29,960
are you doing with your life?
Be saying? Maybe? Like the music

1501
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:34,880
one's really easy because I used to
listen to like a lot of uh.

1502
01:38:35,039 --> 01:38:39,399
I used to listen to like rebellious
music, you know, like Blood Brothers

1503
01:38:39,680 --> 01:38:43,520
or well Bad Religion, which isn't
that rebellious, but like something where I

1504
01:38:43,640 --> 01:38:45,439
was like, this is cool and
it's meaningful and it's like not something my

1505
01:38:45,479 --> 01:38:48,880
parents would listen to. And now
I listen to like Flock of Seagulls and

1506
01:38:48,920 --> 01:38:53,439
The Sure and I think my pay
I think my childhood self would be like,

1507
01:38:53,479 --> 01:38:58,399
you're such a loser. But I
actually really love my expanded library,

1508
01:38:58,439 --> 01:39:01,199
Like I love that I can st
to listen to Bad Religion and then the

1509
01:39:01,239 --> 01:39:09,560
next song is like something more maybe
from the seventies and then something more modern

1510
01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:12,680
and they all are enjoyable and that's
okay to me. So I I think

1511
01:39:12,720 --> 01:39:17,560
I've I've grown, but my teenage
self would be like, you've changed and

1512
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:23,039
you're not as cool. Yeah,
I think like if high school me knew

1513
01:39:23,079 --> 01:39:26,319
that, like I was like meditating
every day as an almost forty year old

1514
01:39:26,359 --> 01:39:29,680
book, what the fuck happened?
Like it was like nopy. Turns out

1515
01:39:29,800 --> 01:39:34,399
just fucking Hippy's growing and evolving as
a person as a universally positive thing.

1516
01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:39,760
So I guess the next step of
this question would be, let's say,

1517
01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:44,079
what will make fun of your sixty
year Yeah, in thirty years, what

1518
01:39:44,119 --> 01:39:46,319
will we be doing that right now? We like, we can't even And

1519
01:39:46,359 --> 01:39:49,359
I'm not talking about like what's something
you're already kind of getting into that you

1520
01:39:49,359 --> 01:39:51,520
could see liking in the future.
I'm saying, like, what would you

1521
01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:57,760
actively like cringe at your six year
old's any I don't think there's any old

1522
01:39:57,760 --> 01:40:00,960
guy behavior I would cringe yet I
think now we know better, But I

1523
01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:04,000
feel like, yeah, I don't
think you're but I think like I can

1524
01:40:04,239 --> 01:40:11,399
death Okay, I can think of
a couple. One is like we are

1525
01:40:11,479 --> 01:40:14,520
still kind of bad up with our
uh with our health in terms like we

1526
01:40:14,600 --> 01:40:16,399
drink a lot, like we probably
like would smoke a cigarette if we're like

1527
01:40:16,520 --> 01:40:20,880
drunk enough or whatever. I wouldn't
be surprised if like my six year old

1528
01:40:20,880 --> 01:40:26,359
self is like I don't drink anymore
or anything like that, and I'd be

1529
01:40:26,399 --> 01:40:29,239
like, that's crazy, you lose
er, you nerd like get to the

1530
01:40:29,239 --> 01:40:31,159
bar. But the reality is is
like it's possible, and I don't know,

1531
01:40:31,239 --> 01:40:34,600
because like I hope, I hope
sixty year old Mary is like slinging

1532
01:40:34,640 --> 01:40:41,239
them back the bar. Are you
kidding me? I'm just saying I wouldn't

1533
01:40:41,279 --> 01:40:44,319
be surprised if I was like,
oh, it's like fucking with my health

1534
01:40:44,399 --> 01:40:45,560
and so I give it up.
I wouldn't be surprised Dan, if like

1535
01:40:45,560 --> 01:40:48,920
when you're sixty, you're like I
actually don't have as much candy, Like

1536
01:40:49,319 --> 01:40:54,439
I very rarely partake in sweets.
I don't know well, And I love

1537
01:40:54,479 --> 01:40:56,960
the idea of being like a sixty
five year old dude that gets like really

1538
01:40:57,039 --> 01:40:59,359
nice scotch and sipsit and stuff like
that and still drinks. But like,

1539
01:40:59,399 --> 01:41:01,920
yeah, you just look like you
know, I'm not even forty technically yet

1540
01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:05,479
and just seeing how drinking affects me
now versus five, ten, twenty years

1541
01:41:05,520 --> 01:41:08,760
ago, and being like, well, fuck it, this is not going

1542
01:41:08,840 --> 01:41:11,680
to get better as I get older. So like I could see a point

1543
01:41:11,680 --> 01:41:15,399
where it's like it's not worth it
anymore. All there's a year where you

1544
01:41:15,479 --> 01:41:19,199
just don't want to have hot snakes
anymore, and like it's coming hot snakes.

1545
01:41:19,560 --> 01:41:24,800
Yeah, what is that? It's
like what happens after you drink too

1546
01:41:24,840 --> 01:41:29,760
much in the morning. Oh,
hot snakes like everything? Yeah, hot

1547
01:41:29,800 --> 01:41:32,600
steaks, hot snakes, hot little
snakes come. I've never heard that term,

1548
01:41:32,640 --> 01:41:36,279
but I know what you're talking about. We all know what I'm talking

1549
01:41:36,319 --> 01:41:40,359
about. I have, I have
a I have a bigger picture. One

1550
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:46,800
not bigger picture, but like I
think dying, Yeah, I like you

1551
01:41:46,920 --> 01:41:54,439
fucking loser, you're nerd were You're
fucking dead. If I die, if

1552
01:41:54,479 --> 01:41:57,520
I can die in a hospital bed, I'll be so disappointed in myself.

1553
01:41:57,560 --> 01:41:59,960
Get up. Sure, I would
like to see myself on my death.

1554
01:42:00,039 --> 01:42:02,399
But if I don't don't die in
an explosion or something sick, I'm gonna

1555
01:42:02,399 --> 01:42:06,560
be pissed. I don't If I
don't die, like driving my car off

1556
01:42:06,560 --> 01:42:11,479
a ramp into like the Baltic Sea, firing rockets into the air. I'm

1557
01:42:11,479 --> 01:42:15,560
gonna be so pissed. I want
to see you bullying, die year old

1558
01:42:15,640 --> 01:42:18,079
self, surrounded by your family that
love you. No, you know what

1559
01:42:18,119 --> 01:42:21,000
I want to do, And I
don't traveling to mock your old dying set.

1560
01:42:21,079 --> 01:42:25,439
I don't care what kind of rifts
in the time continuum this will cause.

1561
01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:28,960
I want to peel out and then
like fucking skid up to my younger

1562
01:42:29,000 --> 01:42:33,119
self when I'm seventy five in a
fucking Lambeau and then with missiles and machine

1563
01:42:33,119 --> 01:42:35,920
guns, we like get in,
dick, and then we fucking both fly

1564
01:42:36,039 --> 01:42:41,800
into the sunset fire and poop rockets
out of the Lambeau. Yeah, and

1565
01:42:41,840 --> 01:42:47,600
the machine guns to the sun.
Oh no, my actual thing that I

1566
01:42:47,600 --> 01:42:53,319
I grew up in the suburbs.
I you know, like we we live

1567
01:42:53,319 --> 01:42:56,199
here. We have no intention of
going anywhere anytime soon. If we do,

1568
01:42:56,319 --> 01:43:00,439
we really want to make use of
the dual citizenship and living up or

1569
01:43:00,479 --> 01:43:03,000
something for the time being, or
at least for the foreseeable future. We

1570
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:06,119
want to stay here, and we
see ourselves living in New York from here

1571
01:43:06,119 --> 01:43:15,479
on out. If there is there
there is some universe where one or both

1572
01:43:15,479 --> 01:43:19,600
of us is like, m,
I could go a bit more suburban and

1573
01:43:19,720 --> 01:43:24,600
whatever, that it will not be
the kind of suburb we grew up in.

1574
01:43:24,880 --> 01:43:27,479
And I don't faul to anybody for
living wherever they do, which is

1575
01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:32,399
I grew up in a you know, very like seventy split level house kind

1576
01:43:32,399 --> 01:43:34,319
of suburb, and that's where I
grew up. And it's not that I

1577
01:43:34,359 --> 01:43:36,960
don't like how I grew up.
I had an amazing childhood, you know,

1578
01:43:38,000 --> 01:43:40,680
like I wouldn't have it any other
way, But I still don't want

1579
01:43:40,680 --> 01:43:44,520
to go back to something I did
already. So there is a world in

1580
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:48,760
which my I, in like thirty
years am living somewhere more suburban than I

1581
01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:53,439
planned, at which point I'll be
like what the fuck like? And I'm

1582
01:43:53,439 --> 01:43:56,960
probably happy with like a garden and
like that's the one. I've said this

1583
01:43:57,000 --> 01:44:00,640
before. I think, yeah,
get give more space. Not so bad.

1584
01:44:00,920 --> 01:44:05,520
I look at bikes around nature,
Okay, yeah, you can do

1585
01:44:05,560 --> 01:44:09,359
that when you're not in the suburbs. So that's my thing. It's like

1586
01:44:11,840 --> 01:44:15,479
it's the it's the having a big
garden in like a backyard and being able

1587
01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:18,079
to like not we don't have outdoor
space right now, but like it's it's

1588
01:44:18,239 --> 01:44:21,439
gardening on a bigger scale than just
my indoor plants, which is very appealing,

1589
01:44:21,479 --> 01:44:26,319
and then also having more room for
like like when I'm sixty, I

1590
01:44:26,399 --> 01:44:31,199
hope my wine collection is fucking like
obscene. It better your wine collection outlive

1591
01:44:31,319 --> 01:44:34,840
you, Like it'll just be like
really nice one hundred year old wines.

1592
01:44:35,239 --> 01:44:39,960
Oh, I'm leaving some good I'm
like, that's I'm leaving some good stuff

1593
01:44:39,960 --> 01:44:45,560
to friends and like nieces and nephews
for sure. And Mary, No,

1594
01:44:45,640 --> 01:44:49,800
you'll be dead. Yeah you don't
know that. I'm sorry we talk at

1595
01:44:49,800 --> 01:44:53,479
thirty years from hour ten because you'll
be probably you'll probably be live in ten,

1596
01:44:53,520 --> 01:44:57,119
but like I'll have killed you like
twenty thirty, Yeah, you'll be

1597
01:44:57,159 --> 01:45:01,399
dead. I've wine. How do
you want to die? Oh? Yeah,

1598
01:45:01,399 --> 01:45:04,520
oh Mary, you can have some
wine? Sure, have someone I

1599
01:45:04,520 --> 01:45:10,600
want to die drinking Mike's most expensive
bottle of wine. Yeah, you want

1600
01:45:10,600 --> 01:45:14,479
my show of armitage from twenty seventeen. Oh when you're when it's twenty three

1601
01:45:14,560 --> 01:45:17,119
years old, child with you?
Yeah, you're the syringe hole in the

1602
01:45:17,159 --> 01:45:21,479
cork. There's nothing in the wine
that's just more flavor. I added,

1603
01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:27,560
Oh, he's getting an arsenic hint
from this wine. Buddy, fucking my,

1604
01:45:28,119 --> 01:45:30,920
No, I'm not going to actually
kill you. What if that's the

1605
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:33,479
last What if that's the last thing
you hear in your life is me saying

1606
01:45:33,520 --> 01:45:40,600
fucking bye, buddy, fucking bye, fucking get out here. My role

1607
01:45:40,680 --> 01:45:45,479
play it when you're that's not me. No, that's not me, my

1608
01:45:45,640 --> 01:45:50,319
MD fucking by. Who is this, sir? We have, sir,

1609
01:45:50,399 --> 01:45:55,479
we have twenty years worth of a
podcast where you're bragging about this very vintage

1610
01:45:55,479 --> 01:45:59,680
of shop arimitage and killing Mary.
No, that's not me, sir.

1611
01:45:59,720 --> 01:46:04,199
It's clearly you did a did a
fake Australian accent that was borderline awful.

1612
01:46:04,680 --> 01:46:08,479
You sold merch with a depiction of
you trying to kill her on it.

1613
01:46:08,680 --> 01:46:12,079
No, I didn't draw that.
People at people at a fourth Wall did

1614
01:46:13,720 --> 01:46:15,199
And then I try to and then
I plug the merch on the stand like,

1615
01:46:15,279 --> 01:46:19,399
oh, by the way, fire
Escape mergs dot com go hang out

1616
01:46:19,640 --> 01:46:24,199
all right, anyway, thank you? It says I killed I'm wearing I'm

1617
01:46:24,199 --> 01:46:27,560
wearing the shirt on the stand.
You're aware that you're under oath. Yeah,

1618
01:46:27,680 --> 01:46:30,800
dude, you got a fire Stan
merch. I know I'm under oath,

1619
01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:32,640
and you're under oath, and you're
under oath unless you go to fire

1620
01:46:32,680 --> 01:46:39,560
skate merch dot com to get this
being awesome. I'm guilty of murder.

1621
01:46:40,640 --> 01:46:45,560
Oh no, I'm not. I'm
just it was. It was good.

1622
01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:48,439
Thank you, Alex from Bendigo Pendigo. All right, Dan, you want

1623
01:46:48,439 --> 01:46:53,319
to do this one from Adam?
Sure? Hello, Mike, Mary and

1624
01:46:53,399 --> 01:46:56,039
Dan. Hope you're all doing well. I'm curious to know what all of

1625
01:46:56,039 --> 01:46:59,239
your gaming white whales are. For
some context, these might be games that

1626
01:46:59,239 --> 01:47:01,439
you've always wanted to play but never
felt right about the timing, couldn't own

1627
01:47:01,560 --> 01:47:04,800
it due to console restrictions, games
you're praid to start, or maybe you

1628
01:47:04,920 --> 01:47:08,520
just wanted to play it but haven't. My white whale would have to be

1629
01:47:08,600 --> 01:47:11,319
PERSONA four. Have been told by
a lot of close friends how great it

1630
01:47:11,359 --> 01:47:15,159
is, and know I definitely enjoy
what I know of the story and gameplay,

1631
01:47:15,159 --> 01:47:17,000
plus I own it. However,
most of the time I find it

1632
01:47:17,000 --> 01:47:20,560
hard to get myself into the mindset
of a JRPG that's that intense and involved,

1633
01:47:20,560 --> 01:47:24,319
So I back off as always the
root and be tooting and be shooting,

1634
01:47:24,319 --> 01:47:29,199
but most of all, be kind
thanks Adam from Pittsburgh. Huh,

1635
01:47:29,600 --> 01:47:32,640
it's not that I haven't played them, and I Dan, we talked about

1636
01:47:32,680 --> 01:47:38,079
this many times, or all three
of us, but Dan specifically two D

1637
01:47:38,239 --> 01:47:42,000
Marios. I respect the fucking shit
out of them. I realized that there's

1638
01:47:42,039 --> 01:47:45,079
some of the most well designed,
like in terms of craft, there's almost

1639
01:47:45,159 --> 01:47:47,439
nothing better than them. I just
I'm not good at them, and I

1640
01:47:47,479 --> 01:47:50,840
don't really I bounce off them so
hard. Three D Marios. Honestly,

1641
01:47:50,840 --> 01:47:55,159
I like, one hundred percented.
I fucking love them, and I maybe

1642
01:47:55,199 --> 01:47:59,640
it's a generational thing, but like
they're just so fucking difficult for me to

1643
01:47:59,640 --> 01:48:01,720
this day and I play, you
know, I get some into some like

1644
01:48:01,880 --> 01:48:06,800
complex games, but two D marios, like what was last Year's Wonder?

1645
01:48:06,880 --> 01:48:11,359
Last Year's Wonder like again, I'm
like I was playing with Amanda and I'm

1646
01:48:11,399 --> 01:48:15,000
like, god damn, this game
is good, but holy shit, I

1647
01:48:15,119 --> 01:48:18,399
uh, I can't. I can't
bring myself to a point where I'm like,

1648
01:48:18,720 --> 01:48:24,720
man, I want to keep playing
more at when I'm not playing it

1649
01:48:24,760 --> 01:48:28,640
seems fair like it there's lots of
ways to take this, like a game

1650
01:48:28,640 --> 01:48:30,319
you've always wanted to play and you
just don't have the time or a game

1651
01:48:30,319 --> 01:48:34,800
that you're like, I just don't
know if I can get into it.

1652
01:48:35,000 --> 01:48:39,760
For me, Like, uh,
it's weird to say this out loud,

1653
01:48:39,800 --> 01:48:44,880
but I've I've heard Skyrim's pretty good, but I've never played it, and

1654
01:48:44,920 --> 01:48:49,159
I feel like I should. But
it's so big and it's so overwhelming that

1655
01:48:49,239 --> 01:48:54,520
I'm just afraid that the time has
passed for me to get into Skyrim.

1656
01:48:54,880 --> 01:48:57,960
I would say, systems wise,
it's actually not that bad. It's not

1657
01:48:58,000 --> 01:49:01,479
like this like super deep complex RPG
in terms of the gameplay. I mean,

1658
01:49:01,479 --> 01:49:04,159
it's big, and there's a ton
of possibility and stuff and tons of

1659
01:49:04,159 --> 01:49:08,079
side quests and things like that,
but like it's not it's not like a

1660
01:49:08,079 --> 01:49:10,359
Balder's Gate where it's like, you
know, I loaded it up and I'm

1661
01:49:10,359 --> 01:49:13,239
like, there's too much fucking going
on here, and I don't understand any

1662
01:49:13,279 --> 01:49:16,239
of this. Skyrim like, there's
not a lot to not understand. It's

1663
01:49:16,279 --> 01:49:19,439
pretty straightforward. I mean you've done
inventory systems, you know, it's got

1664
01:49:19,439 --> 01:49:25,560
a pretty basic level up system,
class selection type stuff. It's a It's

1665
01:49:26,520 --> 01:49:29,399
it's big in terms of our count
and amount of stuff you can do,

1666
01:49:29,600 --> 01:49:32,199
but don't be overwhelmed by like the
gameplay itself just seems like there's like a

1667
01:49:32,279 --> 01:49:38,199
lot you have to There's just been
so much coverage. Sure, yeah,

1668
01:49:38,239 --> 01:49:42,720
if I want to experience Skyrim,
I could watch a billion playthroughs and have

1669
01:49:42,760 --> 01:49:45,039
that experience. I think. So
it's like a part of me is like

1670
01:49:45,159 --> 01:49:48,479
why me, Like why do I
go down this path? But I should

1671
01:49:48,520 --> 01:49:51,960
probably play it. It's elusive to
me that I haven't played it. It

1672
01:49:53,039 --> 01:49:57,520
feels like i've It feels like on
the list of boxes that you're supposed to

1673
01:49:57,560 --> 01:50:00,319
tick, Skyrim is supposed to be
one of them. The bar for open

1674
01:50:00,359 --> 01:50:05,119
worlds is so different now, like
you might go back to Skyrim and find

1675
01:50:05,159 --> 01:50:12,279
it actually overly simplistic. Uh,
there's no like and like I would actually

1676
01:50:12,319 --> 01:50:15,319
say, if you haven't played more
in that game is more. Eh,

1677
01:50:15,399 --> 01:50:17,760
I don't know. Morowin to me
is like the like the one that's still

1678
01:50:17,800 --> 01:50:21,000
to this day does some cool design
stuff. But Skyrim is such a solitary

1679
01:50:21,119 --> 01:50:24,760
like all right, just go in
that direction and check out what's in there

1680
01:50:24,800 --> 01:50:27,439
and gather some stuff and build out
your inventory, like Dan said, and

1681
01:50:28,199 --> 01:50:30,039
you know you can role play if
you pick a race, and like maybe

1682
01:50:30,039 --> 01:50:33,800
you want a stealthy orc who's just
dreams about nothing more than to be in

1683
01:50:33,840 --> 01:50:36,880
the thieves guild, and then you
just focus entirely on that. There's some

1684
01:50:36,920 --> 01:50:42,399
cool stuff to see in that world, but like fucking Breath of the Wild

1685
01:50:42,479 --> 01:50:46,840
and Tears of the Kingdom's like physics
systems have kind of made previous open world

1686
01:50:46,840 --> 01:50:51,760
games feel so threadbare in a way
that's not fair. It's just that's how

1687
01:50:51,840 --> 01:50:57,640
impactful those games were. Is it
has the time gone? Like has that

1688
01:50:57,720 --> 01:51:00,159
ship sailed? Where? Like No, I just I literally just started a

1689
01:51:00,159 --> 01:51:03,560
new Skyrim file on like a month
ago and the way to stock cam on

1690
01:51:03,600 --> 01:51:05,760
my steam deck, just to try
it out, and it runs well on

1691
01:51:05,800 --> 01:51:09,399
steam deck. If that's any consolation, maybe try that out. But like

1692
01:51:09,479 --> 01:51:12,319
I think you'd still have a lot
of fun with it and all the upgrades

1693
01:51:12,319 --> 01:51:15,479
and stuff it's gotten over the years. Mods. Yeah, if you're playing

1694
01:51:15,520 --> 01:51:19,359
on your home PC, the mods
scene is nuts. One of the most

1695
01:51:19,439 --> 01:51:24,119
vibrant ones still for that game,
and that's what for thirteen years old now,

1696
01:51:26,279 --> 01:51:29,319
I think you you maybe if you
can carve out some time, check

1697
01:51:29,319 --> 01:51:30,840
it out, because it's it's worth
it and that game world's still great and

1698
01:51:30,840 --> 01:51:38,399
like I. I guess here's something
pretty indicative of what I'm saying is when

1699
01:51:38,399 --> 01:51:41,760
I was playing Starfield and like,
fuck now I just want to play Skyrim.

1700
01:51:42,319 --> 01:51:45,399
I'd rather be playing Skyrim. They're
so good at making just like walking

1701
01:51:45,399 --> 01:51:50,039
around exploring field magical in Skyrim and
Oblivion Moroin's a bit more hardcore in ways

1702
01:51:50,039 --> 01:51:55,279
that I really liked. But Skyrim
is just still like the that and Fallout

1703
01:51:55,439 --> 01:51:58,680
three in New Vegas to me,
or the peak of Bethesda's open worlds.

1704
01:51:58,920 --> 01:52:00,479
Yeah, you don't really hear a
lot of people saying that Starfield is their

1705
01:52:00,520 --> 01:52:04,199
white whale. First of all,
you can go play it, but like

1706
01:52:04,520 --> 01:52:11,520
way, Mike, which one is
yours? Suty Mario still but like if

1707
01:52:11,520 --> 01:52:14,720
I'm like picking, well, that's
more like I've played a lot of them,

1708
01:52:14,840 --> 01:52:19,680
and I've finished most of them,
but I still like just can't connect

1709
01:52:19,720 --> 01:52:24,319
with them in terms of a game
that I still have just never gotten around

1710
01:52:24,479 --> 01:52:30,840
to. I guess final Fantasy these
series written large is probably mine. But

1711
01:52:30,960 --> 01:52:34,800
like in that case, I recognize
that I and I love jerapyges like I

1712
01:52:34,880 --> 01:52:38,119
think of US three here, I'm
the one that's most into them, but

1713
01:52:38,159 --> 01:52:40,760
like I have no I don't know
that I ever want to go back to

1714
01:52:40,760 --> 01:52:44,479
any of those. Yeah, that's
I recognize how important they were to a

1715
01:52:44,520 --> 01:52:47,560
lot of people, but it's like
the only one I've beaten was ten.

1716
01:52:47,600 --> 01:52:50,359
But I've started a million of them
and played like ten twenty hours of a

1717
01:52:50,399 --> 01:52:53,520
lot of them, and it's like
it's just never really grab enough. So

1718
01:52:53,840 --> 01:52:56,880
yeah, I don't consider it a
white whale. Since I've tried and played

1719
01:52:56,880 --> 01:53:00,279
and get what it is, it's
just not for me really. Yeah,

1720
01:53:00,319 --> 01:53:04,960
And now I'm trying to think,
like stuff that I definitely can respect,

1721
01:53:05,039 --> 01:53:10,560
but I just never can find the
time to get around to I got a

1722
01:53:10,560 --> 01:53:14,600
few. Yeah. As much as
much as I love Nintendo First Party stuff,

1723
01:53:14,880 --> 01:53:19,039
I've never played Chibi Robo and I
barely played at zero. Chibi Robo

1724
01:53:19,199 --> 01:53:23,279
is a GameCube game where replays a
cute little robot who has to go around

1725
01:53:23,319 --> 01:53:27,279
and do household your household chores and
plug himself in and recharge. And it

1726
01:53:27,319 --> 01:53:30,680
just looks really cute and buryed Nintendo
and whimsical, and I think it's something

1727
01:53:30,680 --> 01:53:32,760
I would I would really like to
play, so and why not. I

1728
01:53:32,840 --> 01:53:35,159
just it just just have not come
around to it. I mean, I

1729
01:53:35,159 --> 01:53:38,840
could load it up in five minutes
right now in adult You have it,

1730
01:53:38,920 --> 01:53:43,199
you own it. I don't think
I own I mean I could play it,

1731
01:53:44,039 --> 01:53:48,600
you know, I've got it on
Dolphins steal it. I mean no,

1732
01:53:48,760 --> 01:53:55,119
who's to say I'm Marker in jail. It's fine. Actually I do

1733
01:53:55,199 --> 01:53:57,520
need to buy it. I have
been looking for that one. So yeah,

1734
01:53:57,560 --> 01:54:00,319
Chip Robo is up there as a
series. Use F Zero I never

1735
01:54:00,359 --> 01:54:04,560
really played much, and like it's
Nintendo First Party and it's like a I

1736
01:54:04,560 --> 01:54:08,720
don't know if you'd call it an
arcade racer or faturistic racer, but like

1737
01:54:09,000 --> 01:54:13,159
I like that genre. And I've
never played much of F zero. And

1738
01:54:13,239 --> 01:54:18,880
then Snatcher is uhma game and sounds
like it's a very blade runner. I

1739
01:54:18,920 --> 01:54:24,680
held onto a framed Snatcher Prince I
have. I have the framed soundtrack.

1740
01:54:24,840 --> 01:54:29,079
I have the game. I just
have not played it. So honestly,

1741
01:54:29,199 --> 01:54:31,720
pre director's cut, I think Death
Stranding was my big white well, but

1742
01:54:31,760 --> 01:54:33,479
I kind of not. Even then, I was like, I was sure,

1743
01:54:33,479 --> 01:54:39,439
I just didn't like that game.
It's about the American dream writ large

1744
01:54:39,720 --> 01:54:43,439
you know. No, it's one
of those fish on the wall that's like

1745
01:54:43,479 --> 01:54:45,439
constantly singing when you walk by and
it's like, shut the fuck up.

1746
01:54:45,520 --> 01:54:49,520
I don't want this thing and your
we should consider that for this year's awards.

1747
01:54:49,520 --> 01:54:53,600
At the end of the year,
I think I think that game is

1748
01:54:53,680 --> 01:54:59,079
dead. There's a sequel. People
are very excited. That's pretty upward trajectory.

1749
01:54:59,039 --> 01:55:02,279
Yeah, that's the right game.
I don't think anyone's talking about it.

1750
01:55:05,119 --> 01:55:10,399
Try to think like the number one
game I should like by all accounts,

1751
01:55:10,399 --> 01:55:15,600
and I just don't. I honestly, you know what. As much

1752
01:55:15,600 --> 01:55:17,640
as I respect and I've beaten Disco
Elysium, I feel like I should like

1753
01:55:17,680 --> 01:55:26,760
it more than I do. That
freak out. I've never been more confident

1754
01:55:26,800 --> 01:55:30,439
that I would fucking hate a video
game than Disco Elysium. Oh yeah,

1755
01:55:30,439 --> 01:55:32,640
I don't think it. No,
no, No, you like the most

1756
01:55:32,760 --> 01:55:39,159
anti me in every possible way.
I I'm usually fairly tuned into what I

1757
01:55:39,159 --> 01:55:40,600
think you would like. Like.
That's why I was like, Dan,

1758
01:55:40,680 --> 01:55:44,520
you got to play out a while, as I promise disco Elicium. No

1759
01:55:44,760 --> 01:55:46,119
again, I respect the hell out
of that game. I played the whole

1760
01:55:46,119 --> 01:55:49,319
thing like one and a half playthroughs
and I like it, but I'd rather

1761
01:55:49,399 --> 01:55:55,000
replay like Kentucky Root zero if I'm
going for that kind of It's not the

1762
01:55:55,000 --> 01:55:59,439
same genre whatsoever, but similar vibes
in the storytelling. But Disco Elysium,

1763
01:55:59,439 --> 01:56:04,920
I'm like to like this more than
I do. I wonder anything else that

1764
01:56:04,920 --> 01:56:11,960
that's just a perfect game. There
has to be like like White Whale is

1765
01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:15,039
something where it's like elusive, like
you've always wanted it and you can't.

1766
01:56:15,359 --> 01:56:18,399
Like, what's a game that you've
like always wanted to beat and you can't,

1767
01:56:19,039 --> 01:56:23,199
you can't finish it. I'm not
going to Polygon Interesting one. I'm

1768
01:56:23,199 --> 01:56:26,560
gonna look at Polygon's five hundred best
games of all time and go to one.

1769
01:56:26,640 --> 01:56:29,880
I'm gonna see which ones up top. I haven't played one hundred list.

1770
01:56:30,039 --> 01:56:32,359
Yeah from twenty seventeen, Oh,
from twenty seventeen. Okay, I'm

1771
01:56:32,399 --> 01:56:36,840
going to number one. Okay,
Tetris, Okay, played it, Mauric,

1772
01:56:36,920 --> 01:56:40,439
Breezelda A. You're gonna go through
every game? Well, I'm just

1773
01:56:40,520 --> 01:56:44,000
I'm going down until I see ones
that I haven't played, don't care about.

1774
01:56:44,079 --> 01:56:46,920
Oh yeah, yeah, okay,
Pokemon, there's fucking five. Okay,

1775
01:56:46,960 --> 01:56:50,199
that's not a White Whale. I
don't want to play that. Yeah,

1776
01:56:50,239 --> 01:56:56,279
Okay, I don't want to play
that. No, yeah, these

1777
01:56:56,319 --> 01:57:02,199
are mostly good Bye Fantasy six.
I don't really care about. I don't

1778
01:57:02,199 --> 01:57:04,960
know if I ever beat Half Life
two maybe that's honestly, so many have

1779
01:57:05,000 --> 01:57:09,600
come out since then. She definitely
beat Half Life two. That has a

1780
01:57:09,640 --> 01:57:15,399
tremendous art. It's just an absolute, incredible, incredible experience. It's that's

1781
01:57:15,520 --> 01:57:18,560
definitely worth it. That's your White
Whale, Dude, like that I played

1782
01:57:18,560 --> 01:57:20,720
most of it. I think I
wouldn't. Well, I never had a

1783
01:57:20,720 --> 01:57:24,439
PC, I could play anything.
It was on the fourth So good.

1784
01:57:24,720 --> 01:57:27,119
What do you mean you've played most
of it? Like there's like good,

1785
01:57:27,600 --> 01:57:30,439
there's such a good Uh, I
don't know. It just has a really

1786
01:57:30,479 --> 01:57:34,239
good I wouldn't call it a conclusion
because it's meant to go to the next

1787
01:57:34,279 --> 01:57:39,119
one, but it's got a really
nice it's very well rounded, so it's

1788
01:57:39,159 --> 01:57:43,560
worth playing. Oh I actually I
know what my White Whale is. It's

1789
01:57:43,560 --> 01:57:48,920
probably Polygon's number twenty two game of
all time FIFA twelve. Yeah, I

1790
01:57:48,920 --> 01:57:51,960
don't work there anymore. I'm allowed
to talk about this list. Well that's

1791
01:57:51,960 --> 01:57:56,600
just twenty seventeen. This a while
ago. Yeah, I mean it's low

1792
01:57:56,760 --> 01:57:59,560
on this list, but yeah,
I mean I would put Pepa twelve,

1793
01:57:59,640 --> 01:58:05,000
but Mario three Fortresses below FIFA twelve. Oh my god, Polygon meddle,

1794
01:58:05,039 --> 01:58:10,079
your solid is three below FIFA twelve. When you say below, is that

1795
01:58:10,159 --> 01:58:15,680
better worse civilization? Your solid is
three worse than the soccer game journey is

1796
01:58:15,720 --> 01:58:20,079
worse than that? Oh boy,
yeah, FIFA twelve. Yeah, what

1797
01:58:20,119 --> 01:58:30,800
the fuck? I'm sure it's well
made. Polygone, you crazy kids in

1798
01:58:30,840 --> 01:58:36,039
your lists. Oh Mario World number
thirty four, Yeah, that's that's significantly

1799
01:58:36,119 --> 01:58:41,039
worse than a FIFA twelve. It's
better than elite beat giants. I gotta

1800
01:58:41,079 --> 01:58:45,720
stop. Yeah, yeah, I
think I still think two D Mario are

1801
01:58:45,720 --> 01:58:46,800
the ones I always play, and
I'm like excited for them, and I'm

1802
01:58:46,800 --> 01:58:49,199
like, ah, I think this
is the fucking talent on display and the

1803
01:58:49,560 --> 01:58:54,600
knowledge and the institutional kind of wisdom
at that at Nintendo is nuts. But

1804
01:58:54,600 --> 01:58:57,159
but also when you were a kid, three D Mario was the thing,

1805
01:58:57,279 --> 01:58:59,119
and like, you know, when
I was a kid, two D yeah,

1806
01:58:59,159 --> 01:59:00,840
I was coming up under my brothers
watching them play, like, uh,

1807
01:59:01,640 --> 01:59:05,560
it would have been Super World and
three in World yeah, and I

1808
01:59:05,600 --> 01:59:10,079
love those. But then like,
yeah, I came up like right when

1809
01:59:10,199 --> 01:59:14,159
three D games I was like six
when three D games started becoming a thing.

1810
01:59:14,279 --> 01:59:15,720
Like whoa. Yeah, if you're
like six and Mario sixty four is

1811
01:59:15,720 --> 01:59:18,119
out, I can see why he
would grab it take towards the arena.

1812
01:59:18,159 --> 01:59:21,119
I'm like, yeah, right,
well, why would I fucking play Adventure

1813
01:59:21,119 --> 01:59:27,119
of Link? That's a good question. I'm uh. I think of the

1814
01:59:27,159 --> 01:59:30,399
ways I could define white whales and
games. I think it's something I really

1815
01:59:30,439 --> 01:59:32,319
want to like and something I respect
that you just can never connect to,

1816
01:59:32,359 --> 01:59:34,760
And I think it's too Yeah,
it's up to interpretation. To me,

1817
01:59:34,880 --> 01:59:44,560
it's like a game that you should
obviously have completed because it's so impressive,

1818
01:59:44,800 --> 01:59:47,760
but you just can't get it for
twelve, can't get it likef for twelve.

1819
01:59:49,000 --> 01:59:51,960
Well, I think what we're all
trying to say is that we should

1820
01:59:51,960 --> 01:59:57,039
be playing FIFA twelve. Yeah,
the twenty second best game of all time.

1821
01:59:58,399 --> 02:00:02,960
Thank you, Adam from Pittsburgh.
All right, that's our show.

1822
02:00:03,000 --> 02:00:08,279
It's episode seventy eight. As as
I mentioned, you can run the fires

1823
02:00:08,319 --> 02:00:11,199
Cast at gmail dot com if you
want to submit any of those questions about

1824
02:00:11,199 --> 02:00:15,279
games or otherwise. Mary, I
usually toss to you for where to get

1825
02:00:15,319 --> 02:00:17,079
merched, but I'm consistently convinced that
you don't even know where we can get

1826
02:00:17,119 --> 02:00:23,279
marched. So it's gonna be Firescape
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1827
02:00:23,319 --> 02:00:27,760
com. And then also just follow
us on Instagram. That's probably the best

1828
02:00:27,800 --> 02:00:32,520
place to follow us these days.
We are on X but disappoint Yeah,

1829
02:00:32,600 --> 02:00:35,239
I learned how to block Twitter on
my phone. You have to go into

1830
02:00:35,239 --> 02:00:39,439
the part where it lets you block
porn sites and then you can type in

1831
02:00:39,560 --> 02:00:42,960
mandible things and I had to type
in Twitter dot com in the block porn

1832
02:00:43,039 --> 02:00:50,119
site section, block boob penis,
boob penis battle and Twitter Twitter X.

1833
02:00:51,920 --> 02:00:56,279
But you can get some merch,
get some hot get some hot mouse pads,

1834
02:00:56,359 --> 02:01:00,239
get some sick beanies, get some
nice water bottles, get some six

1835
02:01:00,319 --> 02:01:03,600
shirts, sweaters, crew necks,
crop tops. Is a banana yellow on

1836
02:01:03,640 --> 02:01:08,000
there? Do we know? Is
it still there on fire Scape merge dot

1837
02:01:08,039 --> 02:01:11,039
com. I think so? You
can put it on our generic logo shirt.

1838
02:01:11,279 --> 02:01:14,159
Sure, and if you if you
took a photo in that banana yellow,

1839
02:01:14,520 --> 02:01:18,000
we'll retweet it, no questions asked. We'll do some other stuff with

1840
02:01:18,039 --> 02:01:21,800
it. But then you can also
go if you're not listening to our ad

1841
02:01:21,800 --> 02:01:25,399
free version or watching our video You
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1842
02:01:25,439 --> 02:01:29,000
fire Escape or just go to firescapecast
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1843
02:01:29,000 --> 02:01:31,479
can get the episodes without ads.
You can get our video versions. You

1844
02:01:31,520 --> 02:01:33,279
can also just treat it like a
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1845
02:01:33,319 --> 02:01:36,800
do and you enjoy the show every
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1846
02:01:38,039 --> 02:01:44,199
That's our Patreon And uh, Dan, what do you have going on outside

1847
02:01:44,239 --> 02:01:48,239
of fire Escape U giant bomb dot
com? Doing personal thing on Twitch?

1848
02:01:48,359 --> 02:01:54,119
Just Dan Reichert, that's kind of
my big stuff heading off to WrestleMania,

1849
02:01:54,279 --> 02:02:00,479
talk about wrestling a bunch. Yeah, Philly, Yeah, in Philly steps

1850
02:02:00,960 --> 02:02:03,560
I have absolutely Yeah, yes,
Mary, what do you have going on

1851
02:02:03,680 --> 02:02:12,119
Twitch? Things? Streaming of also
avoiding the x dot com and instagramming,

1852
02:02:12,199 --> 02:02:15,760
taking my dog on really fun vacations
that snowy that those videos were great?

1853
02:02:16,039 --> 02:02:19,760
Can you mount Hood? It was
Mount Hood. It's an hour from my

1854
02:02:19,880 --> 02:02:24,640
house, so right now the tulips
are out, it's like warm, it's

1855
02:02:24,640 --> 02:02:29,039
it's got to be like upper sixties
and sunny. It's gorgeous. And then

1856
02:02:29,039 --> 02:02:30,920
I went an hour and I was
covered in snow and I was in like

1857
02:02:30,960 --> 02:02:34,279
a hot tub surrounded by snow and
they were like skiers going by. And

1858
02:02:34,319 --> 02:02:38,520
then in the same day, I
drove an hour back and like walked my

1859
02:02:38,640 --> 02:02:42,359
dog with a T shirt. It's
wild, Like its awesome, It's like

1860
02:02:42,439 --> 02:02:45,159
peak. What makes this place cool
is that a different terrain is an hour

1861
02:02:45,199 --> 02:02:49,520
away. It's nuts. But yeah, I always take fun videos of wherever

1862
02:02:49,600 --> 02:02:55,560
I'm adventuring with Simoon and posting them
on on Instagram. So good stuff from

1863
02:02:55,560 --> 02:02:59,760
my travels there. You seemed happy. He's thrilled. He's like the most

1864
02:03:00,039 --> 02:03:05,319
spoiled little kid. I've hood,
I'm in a hot tub. I need

1865
02:03:05,319 --> 02:03:10,560
to take any shit. I keep
singing that song you're a rich girl,

1866
02:03:12,039 --> 02:03:16,279
and I don't know that any of
the other lyrics. And your old man's

1867
02:03:16,359 --> 02:03:21,640
money did with your old man's money. Uh, And I think old man,

1868
02:03:23,279 --> 02:03:28,359
yes, And I'm like constantly giving
him my money so we can really

1869
02:03:28,359 --> 02:03:32,880
interesting locations. It was constantly shelling
out dough for him. Were like mount

1870
02:03:33,000 --> 02:03:36,720
good. Well, everybody, thank
you for joining us. On episode seventy

1871
02:03:36,800 --> 02:03:40,680
of the fires Kit cast, we
will be back in a couple of weeks.

1872
02:03:41,159 --> 02:03:45,199
Yeah. Uh. With episode seventy
nine, we're getting up to eighty.

1873
02:03:45,319 --> 02:03:46,399
We always got some kind of landmark
in the future. We got to

1874
02:03:46,439 --> 02:03:49,680
do something for a hundred that'll be
we should Yeah, that'll be next year.

1875
02:03:50,279 --> 02:03:54,800
That'll be next year. Forty episodes
or sorry, forty weeks from now

1876
02:03:54,840 --> 02:04:01,199
will be twenty twenty five. Like
bye. Maybe like February. My math

1877
02:04:01,279 --> 02:04:04,800
might be terrible. It's like January
February. Next year, we'll hit episode

1878
02:04:04,800 --> 02:04:08,960
one hundred. We got to get
some guests on and maybe do a meet

1879
02:04:09,039 --> 02:04:12,159
up if we're somewhere in the same
neck of the woods. Maybe it's around

1880
02:04:12,159 --> 02:04:15,319
like Packs East or something. That
would be great. To be sick.

1881
02:04:15,159 --> 02:04:18,680
I can't wait. All Rick,
everybody, thank you for joining. You

1882
02:04:18,680 --> 02:04:21,039
could have been anywhere in the world. If he tries to hang out with

1883
02:04:21,119 --> 02:04:24,840
us, we will see you in
a couple of weeks. Thanks for joining.

1884
02:04:25,119 --> 02:04:25,720
Talk to you later.