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Oh, cho, focus, hey, what' s up? All the

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latyls welcome to beat Podcast. I' m glad to be with you today.

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We obviously have Mr Kevin Richards at
the audio controls making unnecessary noises,

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doing weird things. So, if
there' s any complaints or applause,

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any assertions about our effects and come
today is thank you, Mr Kevin Richards,

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and today our therapist Alias, Alias
how good promo, not the one

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of the season. What I mean
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idea, whose idea that was.
It was mine Wau, because I feel

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like people see me as very innocent
popcorn, just as poor thing falls they

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won' t let her talk.
That' s it, that, yes,

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that' s true. I'
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m not as innocent as all of
you. That' s a character.

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Yeah, it' s a basic
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you' re a great character and
I think that' s been the best

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promo in the history of podcasts,
promos and podcast promos You want to introduce

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me. Yeah, not yet,
not yet, not yet, not yet.

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So it' s like when Jesus
said Adrián alpaca and we all stay

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like this and give them as a
cliposo it' s bad sleep with me

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and then the cow and now they' re Stge. If I hadn'

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t grown up with my two brothers
julying me, still heron, it'

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s still that way. It was
the risk. I saw memes that yes,

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yes, yes, I was doing
good. It' s hard to

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explain. Anyway, I meant the
bank. Today we have spectacular guests.

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This is the first time we have
both in Uncle Podcast and today with us

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are Paola Bellenger and Luis Abregon.
Fort Applausus, the studio goes crazy or

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wey and le. Today we are
going to deal with a super important topic

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and today' s theme is my
toxic relationship with the Church. My toxic

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relationship with the Church. I had
another title. Oh yes, I forgot

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to tell you more. What he
looked like. What he looked like.

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Addicts to the Church, Addicts to
the Church, all children of the Church.

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I don' t, but let' s go into detail. But

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you' re going to end up
being that, yes, today, at

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the end of this episode, that' s the message I didn' t

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imagine, I was, and I
didn' t stop being. And that

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' s like you had a toxic
relationship with the Church. Yeah, and

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now you feel guilty. Now I
have other relationships or something else, in

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my opinion, proud. Now I
have the right relationship with the Church,

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but it is no longer toxic.
It is a relationship of love, of

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service, of conviction, but it
is no longer what you think better than

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the people who have class concerts.
No, of course not, but I

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like them. Both titles work.
Yeah, no, and I want to

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start by asking you guys how you' re doing something you want to tell

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us, something like random about you
guys, something that happened to you this

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week, something that humanizes you a
little bit. What' s your favorite

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color. That' s a good
question. It' s very complicated to

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say what your favorite color is.
For people like me. It' s

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like me, well yours is black, yeah, but I have a second

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favorite color. I asked where mine
answered the len but I have a second

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favorite color that no one knows,
no one will guess, but you or

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blue sky, no, the rose, no, no san k mango,

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the purple, yes, my favorite
color. Well, I can tell you

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why it' s been like a
month. My favorite color is lilac,

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hilita, that' s my hors
chop litlack. My favorite color after black

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is purple. To Donatello. Ah
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a good reference. The turtle Ninja
gave it to him It was the barney.

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That' s good, in fact, not even small. So machine

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barney, but then one could never
see a bar or I never know no

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I don' t, you don' t allow yourself. The jaguar was

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already in adolescence when it came out. So yes, yes, in fact,

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you were entering youupep when he came
out you were a week off,

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I saw a lot of the boy
of eight. Ah, when it came

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out to the favorite one, yellow
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s the way TV is when I' m the gray one. In fact,

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when the color TV came out.
I remember everything. Not the net

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one was never a Disney kid.
I' ve never seen any of the

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Disney series or what to watch.
He grew up in the super champions,

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I mean, the Masons were a
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without TV and grew up without shoes, without arms. Then I grew up.

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I grew my arms already big,
but it was the rights. Yeah,

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that was the problem. You'
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know if to answer. Who is
it? Who is it? Who is

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it? I don' t know, I don' t know, I

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don' t have it registered.
Hello, but for what functions, you

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have to put her home, forgive
me. I don' t keep you.

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All wrong, all wrong, like
you hear the carnation, because a

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company called Pacrine, called Aquaclin eye, Aquatlin to Quakelin. Yeah, the

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other day he touched me from my
landlord list, he touched me at your

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house. But mable a person,
a friend of yours named Abigail Diaz.

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Oh yeah, yeah, like what
almost a month said he was out of

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town. Yeah, we were.
And if we were, yeah, hey

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it' s a name for forgiveness
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m working. It bothers you like
that, okay. I don' t

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know what it was? What do
you need? What do you need?

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No, what do they sell?
But follow this boat later to explain.

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Yeah, you' d be perpetrating
your job. Yeah, thank you so

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much for the hour. You know, Marco, I' m telling you,

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I think tomorrow, early tomorrow,
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Ok inhabita, he gave my number. Yeah, Abigail Diaz, you know

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that on the list that I have
in some owners I get away sue Aguilar

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Rodriguez and then I already gave this
gay your number to better agree on a

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date. You know we' re
doing free water analysis and to offer you

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water- themed filters. Yeah,
they' re systems, ah, okay,

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no, super good, thank you
very much. I think tomorrow,

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tomorrow works very well for me,
because today I have the day like this,

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but I didn' t see us
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much there to burn carte. Thank
you very much, thank you very much.

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There we are now this r to
see why you give him. Allow

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your friends to give your number along. I don' t remember giving him

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perfixt. I mean, he was
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mean, you have friends who sell
your number to companies. Now, yes,

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we wanted a water filter. Yeah, so it' s not as

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inappropriate as maybe good. I mean, yeah, we wanted a water filter

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in the house. Then Chancy said, ah, Chance and it interests him.

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No. No, I don'
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He doesn' t hear anything gradually
about you that no one knows either

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Luis Wow well or no, he
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that no one knows. Besides light
and secrecy, I have several, but

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good to say. Yes, per
secret a secret of Paola. I know

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you feel like nobody does, yeah, yeah, I don' t have

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any problems. Well, you can
make trouble now. I hope it'

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s not up to Paola, it' s not up to you. Please,

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of course all how easy when we
are spending every weekend, everyone asks

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me done with i e, without
fail, without doubt i e, they

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are in Spain. Yeah, there' s the chocolate milk. Here'

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s your sleeping addictions. It'
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that it' s like a lived
no. He' s not a dick,

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no, no, it' s
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s like a asked baby, a
vibr So we' re already seeing frans

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like that at night, I mean, but she doesn' t want to

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prepare him, she means this,
she preferred this. We haven' t

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had any chocomil since we got married, so we got an 18- year

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- old. This one then we' re seeing like this. Friends h

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me, I do three things to
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right,' cause they' re
married. If you' re not married,

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that' s not right. Then
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You' ve made food Listen,
you thank me. You' re done.

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But of course how you take cho
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s cold. It' s cold
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The lion doesn' t take it. Yeah, fast enough. How much

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to listen to them with how much
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very good question. It' s
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' s what' s gonna surprise
you to see are two big spoons,

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two big spoons of fact one thousand
two s was big sugar. Oh your

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u is, yes, how that
helps you sleep crazy, but I would

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give you try at home how rich
the recipe is. It would give me

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energy, not me. Hey.
Yesterday you asked me that if the grapes

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gave you energy and I wouldn'
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or I was eating grapes, as
well as a little 11 of the night,

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but you were eating grapes as a
mod i e, chaponencia. So,

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they were inhaling grapes. And I
did it Hey, the fruit,

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the fruit sugar. You think he
won' t let me sleep and I

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said no. I think nothing will
happen to you. But now that you

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hear, it' s like you
don' t chat me up. I

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think it' s a sleeping battle. I think no, no, no,

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clearly not going to sleep, but
yes, yes, it' s

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a secret that no one knew.
Thank you for knowing now. A lot

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of people, but, well,
yeah, there, tell me Paula,

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what' s the first memory you
have in your memory. That' s

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a good question. Yeah, what' s the first thing you remember is

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jaguar goes, therapy way. You
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just took therapy. That way I' ll say good question. I think

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I remember a lot like the house
where I grew up, like in my

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grandparents' house watering little plants is
you aim the music and it' s

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going to cry. If she starts
to cry, she gets well watered begging

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because chas seedlings already knew what watered
her, right, but they would tell

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you it helps aha. Sure,
I think they gave me the empty boat,

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but oh yeah, there I was
watering plants, but yeah, I

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had like a gardener. And you
like that, well, no, but

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it wasn' t like I had
much choice. It' s already a

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good first memory. What' s
your first memory of life. Luis Ay

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Jaguarmenta. I don' t know
how we' re gonna get there.

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This is good for you. We' re going to get to I'

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ve got like it very much presents
in memory the first church I went to.

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And but I remember and it'
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went to. Yeah, I remember
why we were meeting at a school called

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sn pto Laurence. And what I
remember most is that I got a power

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ranger aha in church. In the
church there were opposites of those who were

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like the monkey with his head and
he was without a mask and then you

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rotated him as well as his torso
and then he already had the Mrs.

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I remember those yes and I remember
that toy in that living room it'

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s like my first handcuffs. It' s not pretty. If they knew

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that Luis was being disguised on Halloween, they would dress him as a pastor

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to how I didn' t order
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yes, I brought a tie and
a traditional and big church bible or,

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and then they would come to school
and what you came in disguise and

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said of macho and hard streets woman
shut up, don' t talk to

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me. This is edited and cut. Of course not. This is one

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hundred percent live hears in the church
where I grew up there was still as

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autumn festival faith. They told him
and it was enough to fight against Halloween

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culture, to go to the sweet
pillar and it was better to come to

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the Church and do a costume contest, but it was biblical costumes and you

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had to dress up as some Bible
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my mom was just as determined that
you are going to win, because

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I remember you once told her children
can' t win because you are the

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shepherd' s children. And I
agree with that. We' d say

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a rocket in Mexico because you know
where and said no, my children won

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' t win because they' re
the shepherd' s children. They'

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re gonna win because they' re
the best costumes. Oh, that'

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s a good place, that'
s fair. Yeah, then I remember.

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Here' s Kevin to corroborate what
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it, as it has it micro, it has to manifest in some way.

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Here' s Kevin. Anyway,
we dress up like a lot of

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things. We dress up, I' m going to say honorary mentions and

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if they get the pictures, they' re going to put them, otherwise,

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they can' t even imagine them
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two, the one with the salt
statue, the wife of the ote.

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I remember it was a white lid. I remember we disguised ourselves as Jonassi

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and the whale. We disguised ourselves
as who the whale was. The whale

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was a cardboard thing. Giant,
giant, it was a cosota like that,

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giant and inside was Jonas and it
was Kevin and it was like the

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whale was my dad holding the cup
thing and that Vin to another was like

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that in the pothole and that there, walking hears and then or Jonas inside

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the whale. They say the whale' s stomach acids made Jonas lose all

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the hair in his body, all
his hair, and all the pigmentation on

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his skin. Then, when he
went to Nini to preach to forces,

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Louis listened because he was a bald
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White, white, white. That
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So, what came, more or
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The point I was unpigmented. He
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it, I don' t know
if it' s skimped, but it

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' s depigmented. We dress up
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him at the pon I have those
photos. He' s already looking at

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me like no more work. Anyway
and then we disguise ourselves as the four

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horsemen of the Apocalypse. Only yes, you remember there was a song I

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think it was from three brothers.
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it wasn' t with two friends, and then it was Jesus It was

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five thousand gentlemen. It was a
baby and I was me. I remember

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that I was famine and I was
like the rider. It was a skeleton,

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it was like a skeleton, or
your mom couldn' t make normal

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costumes, I mean. The horses
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made them some impressive cardboard horses and
you kind of put it like that on

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the torso. I had some kind
of grippers or ps grippers, like I

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don' t know what they were
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straps, like some straps you were
wearing and you were walking and you were

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taking me. You walked with the
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We win every year because my mom
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' s how many people left the
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won every year when I was understanding, but other shepherd' s children beat

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us. My dad wasn' t
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the pastors. Or it' s
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seriously, my mom was looking like
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know the project of her life,
I mean this. They don' t

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even have to win this contest and
the truth did it incredibly. My mom

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' s really good with Scraft.
She' s very good. If you

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didn' t feel pressure not to
win. I wasn' t a kid.

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I was just having fun, having
fun dressing up. Yeah, it

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was really fun,' cause my
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and send us ready and already and
there I was with my horse and there

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was a Barney song that was going
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Yeah, okay, thanks to seeing
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yourself to a war mate. You
remember to see, to see you remember

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to see manifest that you remember,
yes, remember. The point is,

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we ran all over the house like
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sure Kevin doesn' t have as
good memories that season as you do if

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you' re looking at his face. I don' t agree with the

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Washi, you remember watching the VHS. That' s so funny. We

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liked it, sorry I gave so
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creativity, because I think there are
chavas that all the halloweens dress up as

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Delilah rap, I don' t
know, Horseman, death, as a

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conventional citizen city of Sodom and Gomorrah. You heard about Gomer de gog and

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then diversifying Lot' s hyins to
Lot' s neighbors. Yeah, hear

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what it is that there' s
a section on certain podcasts that I love,

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that' s like an anecdotary.
No, but I feel like there

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are all kinds of people in the
Church. There are super interesting, super

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good people, but there are also
a lot of super weird people. Someone

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here has some weird, weird anecdote
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Church or when I don' t
know in a youth camp or in a

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group or something. I have,
obviously, without saying names to care for

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identities, is that. It'
s cloudy what, but don' t

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say names. No, but the
theme can be anyone. D Besides,

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you give me permission, yes,
it has to do with him. No,

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no, no, then, no, no, but nothing bad happened.

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No, no one ok you can
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' re making omen, nor do
I know which one. Essa couldn'

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t leak. Let' s see. Let' s see, we can

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experiment, but what we can remove
if it doesn' t work or if

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it doesn' t work, we
can remove it. There' s everything,

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there' s all kinds of stories. Yeah, yeah, which ones.

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I have several to see. I' m not taking a stand.

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Oh, if this is true,
fake history. If I am, I

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won' t say it was here
well, China. I' m just

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gonna say this happened. I saw
it with my eyes. Nobody' s

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gonna tell me it didn' t
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of the church, where I was
with my olive soups. We had a

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little campus. It was like a
mission in another area of the city and

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very strange people arrived. I don' t know for any reason. There

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was a concentration of people, a
little strange, and I remember that once

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I was directing the praise, I
was co- leading. Thank God,

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it was during a song that I
wasn' t directing. Then I did

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not feel the responsibility of having to
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re directing praise, et cetera.
And a woman starts as if to manifest

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as if she were demonized. Now
I' ve seen myself in multiple expressions

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of Marimonami. It' s not
that I' m afraid of you,

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it' s not that I don' t know how to scare you,

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I' ll take whatever you want. No, no, no, but

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this was awesome. I remember the
woman fell to the floor, I mean,

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she came out of like the rows
of chairs she had gone to the

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side she threw herself to the floor. He was kind of wallowing. All

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this happened in seconds and I remember
one of those I promise you before God.

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Pass your hands, so that you
can lie down. She passes her

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hands here, all of them lifts
their feet and like crab, so as

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if I explained to myself, as
a bow begins to walk. It involved

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a ice cream, so yes,
horror film begins to walk across the street.

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Now for that there were like two
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hurt. After that, I have
no idea. I have no idea the

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consequences of opening doors. Friends,
the consequences of opening doors are not only.

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It' s okay, I'
ve got eyepieces to see that,

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so, like, I didn'
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directly because I said I' m
gonna distract all the people who aren'

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t even seeing it. It was
a relatively large church. Then this whole

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side hadn' t noticed. I
mean, I kind of turned around trying

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to be discreet that doesn' t
work out. But the point is,

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I didn' t see her all
the time, but I remember seeing her

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do it like that and I said, oh, my God, it was

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made just like my stomach got numb. The point is, I remember two

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men who took her out and a
woman went out to pray for her and

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I didn' t know what happened
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no one ever saw the man who
prayed for her again, not a

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woman or she there, yes,
she was a good woman, but two

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men pulled her out, so that' s from the arms and legs.

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Now we weren' t kind of
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was like a time of prayer and
ministration. Yes, then it was very

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strange for me to see. I' m not saying no, I mean

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real, it was just weird.
It was like I was really cool,

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I mean, walking like a crab. I mean, if there' s

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that, you don' t see
it. He' s doing, not

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that, you don' t see
him. All ten don' t not

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that you don' t see anywhere. Don' t be a kid,

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either. I did, it was
normal churches, no, but they have

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a weird story cuella disy a girl. Well, no, but I remember

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when I didn' t know,
about seven years ago, at a point

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of grace, an old man came
in and he was there. I don

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' t remember the details very well, but he fell asleep. I don

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' t remember the gentleman and then
he fell down as a conversation. You

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don' t remember that, or
I was asleep and then it happened like

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that, but it was wrong and
distracted everything. Yeah, yeah, everybody

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like that and the qui, but
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I don' t remember the mos
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it was like this. No more, you hear a rattling, totote everything

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and one in great lordship. It
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The first we were at a youth
congress and if you see that sometimes

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preachers or those who minister so strongly
have their subjects. No, I mean,

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they suddenly like people screaming and doing
things and suddenly they don' t.

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Sometimes they don' t walk in
the mood and start telling them no.

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Don' t grab me. No. The pianist' s kind of

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not. That' s how it
happens to me. I made the band

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stronger. No. So, this
time the preacher started running and the people

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in the audience pass in front of
the audience you' re telling her and

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then they' re there and a
girl starts screaming and doing a lot of

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show, a lot of noise,
and the pastor says like you' re

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not distracting. Please, take it
easy. Someone calms something like that.

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Then this girl starts to move more. If he falls to the floor and

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is on the floor like this doing
his show, screaming and crying and crying,

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then he comes if I don'
t remember one who is now volunteering

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with us, he' s in
that Congress, then. Then she loads

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it and takes it to a little
room, to the side, and then

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you kind of pour it, but
she was just like the baptism. Yeah,

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he takes it like the little room
next door and he does it like

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that and I' m born literal
and he came back very proud that smart

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guys you' re gonna have to
solve it, solved it, worked it

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out The pastor already did what he
asked me to do. Wow. I

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think we' re all relatively church
kids. Yes, you, when you

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started when you considered that you knew
God, Jesus the concept of non-

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Christianism as religion, but Jesus as
Christ, as the clador, I believe

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you are talking about Christ the Messiah. Yes, good question, just to

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clarify yes, I no longer believe
that to see I was inculcated all my

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life religion not as we know it. But already when I had a conviction

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of my own that this was what
I wanted to do for the rest of

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my life and go to Jesus,
I think it was up to like sixteen

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years old, like obviously I didn' t have such a supernatural experience and

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that I was in intimacy with Jesus, no, but it was like you

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start getting in more and things start
to make sense like oh yeah, I

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mean, I' m sorry I
personally see it in my life and it

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was, but it was like up
to sixteen seventeen, it was like ah

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ok, it does exist and it
looks this way and it feels this way.

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So I don' t know maybe
you' re going to say that

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when I was five, because I
made it super, because the beast of

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it happened and exactly and that'
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as shepherds when I knew she would
be real. There fell the revelation pro

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and you kind of what was your
first approach to the church. I grew

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up since I was a little boy
in church. My parents were not pastors

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since I was a child, but
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And until the fifteen years I just
started traveling here to Olivo, and

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I remember having a conversion with Steven, with your brother, and he was

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talking to me about grace. At
that time I was like reading a lot

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to John Pippers going Pasthon Luil.
Then I came from a church where I

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grew up a lot in knowledge,
but at the same time I felt like

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I had to be able to please
God. I had to get God to

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love me. So, when we
started talking about grace, like there was

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a click on my mind where at
almost a moment everything that the knowledge that

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I had already kept from childhood made
sense and it was like it was,

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as if the pieces had fitted and
the faith made sense, because before that,

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even though I had faith and believed, I had many doubts and sometimes

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like that my mind was leaving just
like this limbo of whether God does not

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exist, if what we are doing, not a crisis of faith, yes

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full then at that moment it was
a very strong conviction that that is real

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and the grace of God was present
in my life and this is what I

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want forever and forever from the age
of fifteen. I knew that I wanted

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to dedicate my life to serving God
in the Good Ministry, and it is

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that something very important is to remember
that we all serve God full- time,

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not that we who are his disciples, either at your work, at

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your school, with your art in
sports and there are some who say that

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in the Church only two percent of
people are called to serve God within the

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Ministry, as we know it,
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No. Then. That makes me
very interesting, because I think we all

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go through different stages of our Christianity
here. There is one as an informative

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table that I love that constancy a
conceptual map, consisting of six parts,

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that speaks of the process I am
looking for here in my notes. It

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speaks of the process that we absolutely
all go through as Christians. No and

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start with him with the recognition that
there is a God and end with being

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a human being that radiates the God
that exists as you begin to know and

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recognize that there is a God and
you end your life by irradiating to that

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God that is invisible. It doesn' t make me very crazy, because

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it happened to me super much like
Luis. I believe that equal all my

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life I grew up as having a
knowledge, because you grow in the Church,

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then you hear it not as a
certain theological knowledge and god. But

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I had never understood the concept of
grace. And I think it was even

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my case. I' m not
saying it has to be that way for

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everyone, more or less, but
I' m not saying that. But

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in my case it was until I
accepted the knowledge and revelation of grace,

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that I believe I made a commitment
to God. I think it was kind

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of like I accepted his gift,
like I accepted him as my lord and

415
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:49,839
Savior. Not out of fear of
Hell. I don' t know if

416
00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:53,079
it happened to you, but he
grew up in a very pretty church.

417
00:31:55,079 --> 00:31:57,880
I' m not like judging her. I think I think my perception was

418
00:31:59,039 --> 00:32:04,240
very legalistic and very much like you
have to accept Jesus, because if you

419
00:32:04,319 --> 00:32:08,119
don' t go to Hell,
then it was pretty much like a meaning,

420
00:32:08,359 --> 00:32:12,200
like I do it just for fear
of punishment, instead of doing it

421
00:32:12,359 --> 00:32:16,039
for love of and I think when
I understood the concept of the grace of

422
00:32:17,079 --> 00:32:21,759
the Cross, I think that my
relationship with God took a much more serious

423
00:32:21,799 --> 00:32:25,279
and much more committed step, no
longer for fear of punishment. I mean,

424
00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:30,519
I' m not trying to make
our marriage work just because I don

425
00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:34,680
' t want you to be angry. I mean, that' s like

426
00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:36,039
I don' t know, I
mean, that' s the little way.

427
00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:42,200
I do or, but based on
fear here. It' s good,

428
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,359
this one' s over You'
re scaring me so much. That

429
00:32:44,359 --> 00:32:47,680
' s all bullshit, bullshit,
you dominate me, yeah, and you

430
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:52,079
control me. Look, of course
you don' t know. That'

431
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:53,920
s what you say. Anyway,
I do it because I want to.

432
00:32:54,960 --> 00:33:00,880
I want to, I want to
blossom into my marriage. I don'

433
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:06,519
t just want to do things to
see says a great philosopher of our era.

434
00:33:06,599 --> 00:33:09,519
I' m not going to say
his name because they cancel me,

435
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:15,160
but you don' t expect Freud
to move the world by two forces.

436
00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:21,039
Cannon a home. The world moves
only by two forces, fear or love.

437
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:22,720
And if it' s not one, it' s the other.

438
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,440
And if it' s the other
one, it' s not the other

439
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:30,440
one. Anyway, everything you do
moves or moves. He is moved by

440
00:33:30,519 --> 00:33:36,160
fear or moved by love. And
you have to be very wise at the

441
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,680
time of making your decisions not to
let yourself be moved by fear, because

442
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:43,480
that' s like the natural,
the human being, not like I tell

443
00:33:43,759 --> 00:33:45,960
him this for fear of losing him. I say this out of fear,

444
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,960
to lose myself, I say this
out of fear of losing what we have,

445
00:33:50,039 --> 00:33:53,440
etcetera, etcetera. And I think
Jesus' revolution is not to do

446
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:57,000
it for the good, not for
the love and perfect love of God.

447
00:33:57,559 --> 00:34:00,480
He throws out all fear. Anyway, I think that at my fifteen years

448
00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:06,480
or so, it was that I
accessed a religion, a relationship with God

449
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,320
through religion. I' m bald
in religion. I think religiosity is bad,

450
00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:15,360
but religion is not bad by itself
through love and not out of fear.

451
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:20,119
For the first time in my life
and it was revolutionary for me look

452
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:22,000
at me I love it. This
is the stages of the Christian faith.

453
00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:28,280
No, and this understands all that
we are as Christians. Number one is

454
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,800
the recognition of God. Number two
is the life of discipleship. Number three

455
00:34:34,039 --> 00:34:38,360
is the productive or service life within
the church. Number four is the introspective

456
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:44,280
stage, where you ask yourself the
question why you believe what you believe.

457
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:51,440
Number five is an outbound journey.
That introspective journey leads you to realize why

458
00:34:51,519 --> 00:34:55,000
you believe what you believe and then
explain it to the world and discipleship and

459
00:34:55,039 --> 00:35:00,480
all that. And number six is
the stage in which you radiate to the

460
00:35:00,679 --> 00:35:05,000
invisible God, in which it is
no longer about what you do, but

461
00:35:05,199 --> 00:35:09,119
about who you are and how that
well lived life leads to your radiating to

462
00:35:09,119 --> 00:35:15,280
God. Obviously, stage six is
Billie Graham at the time, you Gine

463
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,320
Petersen, that is stage six.
Don' t sing John Piper. I

464
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,000
don' t know. No,
I know, no, I wouldn'

465
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,679
t dare say so much, but
it jumps into the wind. Oh,

466
00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:27,280
sure, yeah, I' d
be more like Ray Warren. Yes that

467
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,519
Ahorita spoke out before everything I love
that reck quaren Ahorita is in a season

468
00:35:30,639 --> 00:35:36,480
where she pronounces in favor or against
all the evangelical scandals that are happening,

469
00:35:36,599 --> 00:35:43,519
and I love that. But studies
usually say that most Christians, about ninety

470
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,719
percent, not sixty percent of Christians, never go beyond stage three, which

471
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:58,440
is productive life or service life.
Then they are stuck in a life of

472
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:04,400
Christian activism and this episode is called
my toxic relationship with the Church, because

473
00:36:04,519 --> 00:36:08,519
I believe that the Church is that
place where, if we are not careful,

474
00:36:09,559 --> 00:36:13,480
we can become stagnant. Now I' m not saying that the Church

475
00:36:13,559 --> 00:36:17,599
is a bad place. We need
the Church. The Church is us and

476
00:36:17,679 --> 00:36:22,280
it is not about putting to competition
good what is better to get together on

477
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:27,559
Sundays in the Church or to sit
on Mondays at the table with my friends

478
00:36:27,639 --> 00:36:30,360
to disciple them. It' s
not one or the other. It'

479
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:35,639
s both of them. We both
need to have a balanced faith. The

480
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,719
problem I see on the subject of
the Church is that many of us fall

481
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:45,960
into toxic activism, not in a
season of our lives. Maybe stage three

482
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:50,800
reveals this new emotion and says hey
I' m toxic activism and I'

483
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:55,519
m here to stay. And that
toxic activism, which is not biblical,

484
00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:00,239
which is not something that Jesus instituted
as a model for all of us.

485
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:07,360
I think it has a root,
it has an origin. Any toxic activism

486
00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:15,480
comes from a lack or absence of
emotional or affirmation or a spiritual one that

487
00:37:15,639 --> 00:37:21,079
all of us have come to have. We had to experience the worst stage

488
00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:27,199
of toxic activism in our case or
of toxic relationship with the Church, when

489
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:31,519
we had to plant the Church where
we are today. I disagree when it

490
00:37:31,639 --> 00:37:37,760
was in my case. Yeah,
no, for you maybe it was in

491
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:43,880
the youth group before planting the church. When we are in our church as

492
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:49,599
principal, I think that there I
experienced I mean, I think that when

493
00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:52,840
we planted the church, I was
just like we had Mila, my whole

494
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:58,760
daughter had passed out of every month, I had a health crisis. I

495
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,599
was about to die. My daughter
was about to die because she had a

496
00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:05,800
diagnosis. I mean, it landed
me on one level I don' t

497
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,000
know how to explain it to you, that is, I do, I

498
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:14,440
think I was on another channel of
saying yes, the Church is beautiful,

499
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:16,119
the Church is me, but not
the Church. It doesn' t depend

500
00:38:16,639 --> 00:38:20,480
on me, on my activities,
not on my area, on the Church

501
00:38:20,639 --> 00:38:23,480
wherever I go, not the service
doesn' t depend on me, I

502
00:38:23,519 --> 00:38:28,840
mean I think the tribulation and the
weight of the trials led me to a

503
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:34,599
place of much destruction, I don' t say that complete restoration, but

504
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,960
breakdown in which I was no longer
codependent with my service at all, because

505
00:38:38,039 --> 00:38:43,440
I realized that I couldn' t
and realized that life was even more than

506
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,679
your service within the Church. I
still agree with that. I think it

507
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,840
is important to serve within the Church. It' s congruent, but you

508
00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:54,840
must serve everywhere. I mean,
who are you? If you serve only

509
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,519
within the Church and you don'
t serve within your home and you don

510
00:38:58,639 --> 00:39:01,960
' t serve within your work,
that is, it' s not consistent

511
00:39:02,119 --> 00:39:06,639
with your identity, then it'
s just what your motivation behind the gold

512
00:39:06,639 --> 00:39:07,920
is. But anyway, for me, in my case, I think it

513
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:13,599
was more prior to the pandemic when
we were as in the group of young

514
00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:17,280
people. I think I was looking
for this It' s kind of very

515
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,800
vulnerable. But that' s what
this is all about. I think I

516
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:27,320
was looking for a lot of approval
from you, not that you put pressure

517
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,639
on me. I think I used
to wear it alone, but I kind

518
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:36,760
of wanted to gain your approval through
my performance among the Church, because I

519
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,280
knew it was a place where you
and I met. We liked it a

520
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:44,679
lot like doing the same thing,
a common passion again, it wasn'

521
00:39:45,519 --> 00:39:47,960
t at all your fault, I
mean, it was more something that I

522
00:39:49,039 --> 00:39:51,719
was building my head. But anyway, I think that in our time,

523
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,760
like where we were traveling a lot, we made a group of young people,

524
00:39:57,079 --> 00:39:59,639
we made a heart, we preached. I wanted so much to perform

525
00:40:00,679 --> 00:40:05,280
and accomplish so much to please you
and feel like it was useful for God

526
00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:10,280
’ s Kingdom at some point I
came to think. The more I do

527
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:19,480
the better I am like my value
is tied to my effectiveness or my productivity

528
00:40:19,559 --> 00:40:22,639
within the Kingdom of God, which
is like what it means not, that

529
00:40:22,679 --> 00:40:28,960
is, now I have a very
different mentality, but I remember a lot

530
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:34,159
of thinking like I traveled all night
to get to seven meters to have flutes

531
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,760
of praise and the creative team and
of this, and then I stayed to

532
00:40:38,079 --> 00:40:42,079
eat and I saw three girls and
I gave them counseling and I hugged them

533
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,360
and prayed and it was genuine,
that is, there was a lot of

534
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,480
gender within that was prayer and minister
and in the end there was discipleship and

535
00:40:49,559 --> 00:40:52,800
I preached about grace and what you
want and I thought today I did so

536
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:58,719
much for you God I felt so
good, but in reality I was super

537
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,719
exhausted, I was exhausted. And
I think the God I now know is

538
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:08,599
a god who loves me despite my
lack of productivity, that is, he

539
00:41:08,639 --> 00:41:12,719
' s a seasonal God, he' s a wave God and I see

540
00:41:13,159 --> 00:41:15,199
him very different from what I saw
him at the time, but I think

541
00:41:15,199 --> 00:41:20,400
that on my part, on my
own, that was my most toxic time,

542
00:41:20,599 --> 00:41:24,280
although maybe it was my most productive
time, eye, but yes,

543
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:31,639
yes, yes, I mean,
I think that in my case I'

544
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:37,880
ve never felt like serving much affects
the way God gives me. But of

545
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:42,880
the things that, being like in
leadership in the Church, that most frustrates

546
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:49,239
me is me to have a level
of passion that others do not have.

547
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:55,320
And I want to measure people or
the standard that I do that I do

548
00:41:55,440 --> 00:42:00,639
myself not then. What happened to
me was like I saw the trip all

549
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:05,239
night and but I got here early
and I was at the two meetings to

550
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,039
set an example to them that a
number isn' t what matters most to

551
00:42:08,159 --> 00:42:14,320
me and you have no excuse for
whatever it is that you tell me that

552
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:19,639
it' s not that x then. I think it' s even a

553
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,639
little more toxic, of course,
because it' s just looking at the

554
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:29,519
performance of other people. And besides
how I feel it' s very absurd

555
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,199
to mean, to take for granted, things from people' s lives,

556
00:42:34,639 --> 00:42:39,360
from what they' re living,
from their problems, and to measure my

557
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:43,039
life with theirs. It' s
very unfair, no, but I think

558
00:42:43,079 --> 00:42:45,719
that' s going for me.
I' m still sort of battling a

559
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:52,000
lot in that area. I'
m not very frustrated to be or work

560
00:42:52,159 --> 00:42:54,559
with people who aren' t like
that with that same passion. And I

561
00:42:54,559 --> 00:42:59,960
think just that has also been a
subject like that within a lot of marriage,

562
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:06,079
because I want to run and I
have like this very high rod about

563
00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:10,440
commitment, so for me it is
commitment to the Church and she has another

564
00:43:10,559 --> 00:43:15,000
position and that was complicated, yes, of course, and this, that

565
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:16,320
is, is something that we are
still going through. I mean, you

566
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:21,719
tell it that like a season that
you' ve already spent for the two

567
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,840
of us, we' re learning
to sail just like I had five seconds.

568
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:29,639
I mean, that was something that
happened, but then taking him into

569
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,960
my marriage, when he was in
another season, in another process and it

570
00:43:32,039 --> 00:43:37,320
' s valid. That has been
the hard part where I still consider myself

571
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,679
even though we are already. I
already consider that the last facets of the

572
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:44,719
process are still seeing it clearly and
now you are seeing it differently, because

573
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,880
motherhood comes. Yeah, and it' s how you' re gonna be

574
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,920
bad to vary marriage, ministry,
a heart, church, and being a

575
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,199
mom. I mean, sitting around
coloring with your daughter is service, I

576
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:59,599
mean, it' s nice.
That' s service, not necessarily stopping

577
00:43:59,639 --> 00:44:02,639
at the church to sing. Those
little acts are marking your daughter' s

578
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:07,679
life. Singing in church is a
pleasure for me to sit in color is

579
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:12,239
a service. Yeah, it'
s nice, I know it totally and

580
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,119
for us, too. We don' t have children, but we also

581
00:44:15,199 --> 00:44:19,119
have a life of going and coming, going and coming, and I think

582
00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:21,400
we' re learning to sail.
I don' t know, a couple

583
00:44:21,679 --> 00:44:27,599
of months ago we even had a
pretty strong fight because we were in L

584
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,239
A working and we had a couple
of days later and I told him there

585
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:34,559
' s Disney and here we go
back. And Louis answered me we don

586
00:44:34,559 --> 00:44:37,920
' t have to go to the
Church on Sunday because we are already with

587
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:42,639
trips of a heart that normally no
longer lately we don' t miss,

588
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:47,079
that is, we return for Sunday, but already they were accumulating several yes

589
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:51,480
and they that it is not that
we will miss or we will miss,

590
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:52,960
We will miss several lices. Aha
told me right now, we' re

591
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,079
missing last Sunday. You want to
miss this not- so- textual guy.

592
00:44:55,159 --> 00:44:57,679
We' re not going to Disney, we' re going to church.

593
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,280
It was like a what to see
eye to me. We are not

594
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:07,159
the chief pastors, that is,
I understand that when you are the chief

595
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,400
pastor, you already have a commitment, it looks different in our dynamics.

596
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:17,679
Luis began to carry a position that
did not correspond to him and I am

597
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:23,440
a faithful believer that God gives grace
for every season and it was a grace

598
00:45:23,519 --> 00:45:28,119
that I felt that God was not
giving us tremendous weight, that is to

599
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,199
say leave your Disney in general,
carry the life of the Church every day

600
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:35,480
without having God' s grace to
carry those issues, it will be overwhelming

601
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,039
and will frustrate you and there will
be fights. Then it didn' t

602
00:45:38,119 --> 00:45:46,480
start to happen like this and I
started badly by reversing so I could grab

603
00:45:47,039 --> 00:45:50,760
a certain grudge against the Church because
I misinterpreted it. I said the Church

604
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,320
is depriving me of Disney, Disney. That' s the most important thing.

605
00:45:54,400 --> 00:46:00,920
No, no, and you call. It had nothing to do with

606
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:04,719
Disney. It was all clear,
of course, with enjoying his life,

607
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,519
it' s his marriage. It
is clear, vacationing for a while and

608
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:13,519
how you faced that grudge you had
to change him from the Church. You

609
00:46:13,559 --> 00:46:16,599
' re doing this to Luis of
course, yes, you must name him.

610
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,280
Yes, the truth. Yeah,
yeah, what I' m on

611
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,679
is day zero. I don'
t resent the Church. I got you.

612
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,679
I beat you that the Church is
good for me. No, but

613
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:30,920
my husband' s a bastard.
I said I love the Church. I

614
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:35,320
have a healthy relationship with the Church. The Church and the Church of Christ

615
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,880
is not a migle class. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, totally

616
00:46:37,079 --> 00:46:40,159
up to me. I' m
not going to disentangle myself and I think

617
00:46:40,199 --> 00:46:45,280
I fell into that extreme hear and
forgive, sorry, what does it tell

618
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:46,079
you they didn' t want prepared. I wanted to ask him how he

619
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:52,400
looks, how he looks at the
resentment towards the Church from you, because

620
00:46:52,559 --> 00:46:59,079
I think that many people are now
re- enacted against the Church and have

621
00:46:59,079 --> 00:47:00,559
not noticed. But those who surround
it or surround it have already noticed.

622
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:05,960
Not to see and is that normally
not. The Church is not the problem.

623
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,559
That is, if you are a
person who currently has a grudge with

624
00:47:08,639 --> 00:47:13,440
the Church, the Church is not
the problem. It is either you or

625
00:47:13,679 --> 00:47:19,199
a situation that is happening around or
someone within the Church. We had it

626
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,159
made an example that maybe I can
give it right now, but about when

627
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,960
they treat you badly in a restaurant. No and I can treat you badly

628
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:30,639
the waiter, but you can always
be free to talk to the manager or

629
00:47:30,679 --> 00:47:34,519
talk to the owner of the place. And this is the same with the

630
00:47:34,639 --> 00:47:38,440
Church. We, as people,
are the waiters, we as pastors,

631
00:47:38,599 --> 00:47:43,960
we are the waiters, but the
owner of the Church is God. And

632
00:47:44,119 --> 00:47:47,440
if the Church did something to you, you can go talk directly to God

633
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,920
and fix the situation. And it
was what started to happen to me as

634
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,679
he is my husband, because Luis
told me how it is that the ladies

635
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,840
of the Church have to see you
there that you went to the two services.

636
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,880
I do, that is because we
complain about others and we' re

637
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:06,519
not seeing exactly and I don'
t complain about others. You complain about

638
00:48:06,599 --> 00:48:08,199
others. I mean, and the
ladies don' t need to see me

639
00:48:08,199 --> 00:48:12,679
there. You need to see me
there. Then it started to be seen

640
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:17,480
that the ladies see you there,
the lady, the exact lady. She

641
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:22,800
didn' t know who Mike was
coming to, yeah, you' re

642
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,159
going to Disney soon, but we
invited them all. No. The point

643
00:48:25,199 --> 00:48:29,440
of this is that I remember having
it that way. It' s like

644
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,480
your question, so I started to
see him like I didn' t enjoy

645
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:36,039
going to church, like these panics
that suddenly give people because it' s

646
00:48:36,119 --> 00:48:38,199
going to be Monday and they have
to go to work in a super toxic

647
00:48:38,199 --> 00:48:42,719
place. I felt like it was
Saturday night and the next day, that

648
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,960
is, me, until I already
started to interpret the problem as not the

649
00:48:46,039 --> 00:48:49,519
Church. The problem isn' t
my community, because it' s already

650
00:48:49,519 --> 00:48:52,159
there. But if there was another
I mean, I think it was a

651
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:59,000
combom in your very interesting case of
a me being as I am, i

652
00:48:59,599 --> 00:49:02,119
e putting a prey on you that
I shouldn' t have put. But

653
00:49:02,519 --> 00:49:07,760
the other reality is that you have
a personality that solves, that' s

654
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:13,880
your wave, that is, you' re a historian, you' re

655
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,719
a solver, you' re a
solver. So another ishu is that inside

656
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:20,679
the church, that is, as
soon as someone sees you, they'

657
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:24,320
re going to come to you and
tell you a problem to solve it,

658
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:29,599
and they' re usually super xs
problems that there are, that is,

659
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,920
net you had to ask me no, and I think it was the combo

660
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:38,079
of I mean, I forced him
to go and then, on the other

661
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:47,000
hand, going and she having to
deal with certain things like I didn'

662
00:49:47,079 --> 00:49:52,480
t have maybe the energy to do
or yes or it was exhausting or it

663
00:49:52,519 --> 00:49:55,360
was coming from a super week of
getting to the church and you get to

664
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,320
the church and what you want to
do that is I' m already going

665
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:57,840
to take it safe, no,
no, and nothing else. I heard

666
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,480
that way in the praise that Paul
is happening behind this or is that and

667
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,920
she runs with coordination of me there
I go so you know how it started

668
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,119
to be like that. And I
remember in an express conversation that I was

669
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,920
having with Kimmy and I said it' s not that I feel or that

670
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,639
I' m good jaguar. He
once asked me a question in a restaurant

671
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,639
and that' s why I asked
if he went out with Paola your relationship

672
00:50:16,639 --> 00:50:17,920
with the Church and I didn'
t. I don' t want the

673
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:22,559
Church anything like that. Like it
and I talked it over with Kimmy and

674
00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:28,159
recommended a book and emotionally healthy discipleship
is called and that book To me,

675
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:32,079
paola has helped me a lot to
see the disciple in a way as different

676
00:50:32,159 --> 00:50:37,920
from what they normally teach in traditional
churches. I mean, it' s

677
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,519
very different, so I recommend it. It helps me deeper, yes,

678
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:46,800
complete more late and tired and less
so as I don' t know how

679
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,760
to say it' s not the
shi divo, that is to say I

680
00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:57,000
' m spiritually wrong speaking, that
is to say it gives you the strength

681
00:50:57,119 --> 00:51:01,239
not to care as much as certain
things, but good forgiveness go ahead and

682
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:06,039
we still stop even accepting invitations from
us to preach to churches. I stopped

683
00:51:06,159 --> 00:51:09,039
preaching for a long time if I
got on the platform, but I kind

684
00:51:09,159 --> 00:51:14,880
of advertised nothing else, nothing that
I had to be as very spiritual,

685
00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:16,199
in my opinion, it was,
because I wasn' t having the best

686
00:51:16,199 --> 00:51:22,039
time. I didn' t have
to get on a platform and convince people

687
00:51:22,119 --> 00:51:23,960
of something I wasn' t even
there myself. I wanted to be genuine

688
00:51:24,679 --> 00:51:29,519
with myself and just a little while
ago we accepted our first invitation to a

689
00:51:29,559 --> 00:51:32,239
place to preach after a year and
a half, that is, after,

690
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,760
and I felt full I mean,
I said already that this already feels healthy,

691
00:51:36,039 --> 00:51:37,360
already feels that I am in the
right place doing the right things.

692
00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:40,280
But so a process that we have
not finished. Even in other words,

693
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:44,519
the reality is that no longer.
If I' m a lot of Luis,

694
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,079
he keeps forcing me on a lot
of things and I always tell him

695
00:51:47,159 --> 00:51:51,639
we' re not going to Disney
the Lady. That favor, you'

696
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:55,199
ve got to see each other say
hello. Mr Silence, a lot to

697
00:51:55,280 --> 00:52:00,239
Jaguar, because my crisis came when
Mila was born. Yeah, and my

698
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:06,119
body and my motherhood sued for a
lot more at home and like, all

699
00:52:06,199 --> 00:52:07,840
of a sudden I didn' t
want to go to church. Not that

700
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:12,800
I didn' t want to,
I couldn' t tell the story of

701
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,079
the father' s day. You
want them to tell it. Yeah,

702
00:52:14,159 --> 00:52:17,360
yeah, yeah. It makes me
humanizing. Anyway, look here on this

703
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:23,079
podcast. We like to tell personal
stories that talk about moments in our lives.

704
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:28,400
Those moments don' t define us
as people. If you, as

705
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:34,239
an audience, decide to define us
according to certain moments, it is you

706
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,360
who is wrong. So here we' re going to try and ventilate our

707
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:42,039
traps into the sun, hoping someone
can use this and improve. But that

708
00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:46,559
story I like a lot, because
it speaks of a mental and emotional state

709
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:53,880
in which many pastors are, many
leaders, there are many husbands or shepherd

710
00:52:55,079 --> 00:53:01,639
wives, leaders, prophesies, save
me from treasurers, again that story not

711
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:08,639
to not give me to burn my
husband, but to because we are usually

712
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:13,639
no longer there. You' ve
already changed a lot, and I thank

713
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,480
God for that. And I'
m not saying that everything I did was

714
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:20,320
okay. But I say this because
I think there are many people who may

715
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:25,320
be in that same state of mind
today, and many women may perhaps be

716
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:30,559
inverse in role, but they may
be suffering because they have this mentality and

717
00:53:30,639 --> 00:53:38,440
it is relatively toxic to the Church. I remember when Mila was born we

718
00:53:38,599 --> 00:53:44,840
fought a lot because Mila came with
an unfavorable diagnosis that if she had a

719
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,480
disease that could not be detected until
she was a month old. We had

720
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:51,039
to wait a whole month after she
was born to know if she was healthy

721
00:53:51,079 --> 00:53:55,760
or not. We were going to
know if he lived or he didn'

722
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,679
t live basically yes, he had
a disease, a basically terminal disease or

723
00:53:59,679 --> 00:54:04,880
not. Then I was. I
think it was the worst stress I'

724
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,119
ve ever experienced in my entire life. It wasn' t a pain,

725
00:54:07,519 --> 00:54:12,320
it was an anguish, it was
a very strong pain, that I didn

726
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,599
' t know how to deal with. And along with that, I had

727
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:21,079
health problems. I started having heart
problems. They didn' t know what

728
00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:23,119
it was, but I remember that
I still had to put a little thing

729
00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:29,159
on it like a sticker in my
heart with the wires that I kind of

730
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,239
sensed the heart rate. The point
is, about two weeks or three weeks

731
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:38,280
after birth. I have already returned
to the Church because we had just planted

732
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:43,599
and I understand the responsibility of being
present. But I didn' t feel,

733
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:49,039
I didn' t feel the mental
ability to do it. And I

734
00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:52,519
remember you were like that at the
time you were dumb. We' re

735
00:54:52,679 --> 00:54:59,280
planting, we need to build,
build, ministries, relationships, teams,

736
00:55:00,199 --> 00:55:02,480
that is, it was very difficult, and I understand you on the side

737
00:55:02,519 --> 00:55:06,079
that it was very difficult. We
didn' t have like the right people.

738
00:55:06,119 --> 00:55:08,840
I believe that also, as Paula
says, trying to navigate in an

739
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:13,880
area that is not entirely your area
of grace. No, I mean,

740
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:19,400
a first- time shepherd isn'
t going to have the grace that a

741
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,440
pastor who' s been making it
clear for thirty years, of course,

742
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:23,679
then we were sailing. That the
Church from day one looked like a ten

743
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:27,920
- year- old church and it
wasn' t going to be clear and

744
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,559
in my head, in my head
I don' t say that I could

745
00:55:30,599 --> 00:55:35,119
have done what you would have done
because usually I didn' t have the

746
00:55:35,119 --> 00:55:36,360
energy and that' s why we' re team. But in my head

747
00:55:36,519 --> 00:55:38,280
I knew it wouldn' t look
like this. Then I had a little

748
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:43,719
more patience, I said the Churches
of God. I am in a very

749
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,480
strong process and there is no problem
with me being absent at a time,

750
00:55:46,679 --> 00:55:50,639
but at two three weeks I do
not remember. I went back to church

751
00:55:50,679 --> 00:55:53,360
and it was a father' s
day and you gave yourself breakfast and packed

752
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,360
up my little things we didn'
t have help at home. Today we

753
00:55:55,440 --> 00:56:01,119
have a beautiful person who has made
my life more beautiful and easier. But

754
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:07,280
back then we didn' t have
her then she tries to navigate everything with

755
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,880
a new baby, with heart problems, pressure medicine. I had a lot,

756
00:56:12,639 --> 00:56:15,480
a lot of things and I remember
going to church and it was an

757
00:56:15,559 --> 00:56:17,480
effort for me. Yes, but
we went to church and on our way

758
00:56:17,559 --> 00:56:21,599
to church after having breakfast with you
or before I don' t remember.

759
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,639
We were just gonna go, we' re about to leave the restaurant.

760
00:56:24,639 --> 00:56:30,960
I remember I told you that love, I don' t feel like it.

761
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:34,519
I mean, if after the church
some kind of plan is made with

762
00:56:34,639 --> 00:56:37,639
friends, I' m open to
that, but I don' t want

763
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:42,079
it to end up late. I
need it to end early, because I

764
00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:45,679
' m extremely tired. The doctors
all told me that I need to sleep

765
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:49,760
and crown newborn towards someone in that
pass and that that can' t be

766
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:53,000
done, so you need to take
as much opportunity as you can to do

767
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,679
it. Then I want it to
end early. I remember what I told

768
00:56:55,679 --> 00:57:00,960
you. Please, I' m
asking you to finish any hangout early and

769
00:57:01,119 --> 00:57:05,840
for you it was like a woman
is not on my side, she'

770
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:07,760
s not seeing the same thing as
me. I see what I started complaining

771
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,239
about. It' s started.
He started complaining. I remember you already

772
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:14,920
told me you' re throwing me
the party before it starts. You told

773
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,599
me something like that can' t
be. I mean, you' re

774
00:57:17,719 --> 00:57:22,960
killing me all my little motivation that
I have. I' m trying my

775
00:57:22,119 --> 00:57:27,519
best and you don' t see
it the same as me, and that

776
00:57:27,639 --> 00:57:30,920
was like super traumatic. We really
need to get him to therapy. We

777
00:57:30,039 --> 00:57:32,679
haven' t done it, we' re going to do it, because

778
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:38,239
to date that hurts me a lot
because in my head I feared for my

779
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:42,519
life, I had for my daughter' s life and the truth I didn

780
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:46,400
' t fear for the Church,
that is, it was like the Church,

781
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:52,360
but it' s going to prevail
regardless of and I think that,

782
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:59,320
like I think that ay, I
don' t want to cry, I

783
00:57:59,320 --> 00:57:59,679
don' t want to cry,
I think that at that moment I felt

784
00:57:59,679 --> 00:58:00,360
that at that moment you were putting
the Church as an institution. I put

785
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:04,920
it on top of my life,
of course, and that hurt so much,

786
00:58:06,239 --> 00:58:07,800
because you' re my husband and
above my daughter. And anyway,

787
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,599
that was, I think what he
smelled of me why it hurt so much

788
00:58:10,719 --> 00:58:15,199
and to date three years later,
I tell it, no, but it

789
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:23,599
was very strong. And I do
believe that we have been taught to think

790
00:58:24,599 --> 00:58:28,840
that the Church to many of us, not all of us, but we

791
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:32,639
grew up as that the Church must
be our priority above all, when I

792
00:58:32,719 --> 00:58:37,079
believe that the problem is not the
statement, the Church must be above all.

793
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:43,119
It is the problem what the Church
is, of course because I do

794
00:58:43,239 --> 00:58:45,800
believe that the Church must be above
all else. But the Church can be

795
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:51,239
seen in many clear ways and your
first ministry is your home. Sure.

796
00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:52,920
So, to me, yes,
the Church is above all else. But

797
00:58:53,119 --> 00:58:55,280
the Church began in my house.
And if my house isn' t right,

798
00:58:57,519 --> 00:59:00,840
nam serves to run people or raise
volunteers or whatever you want and by

799
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:05,320
the end of their day they won' t be there. I mean,

800
00:59:05,559 --> 00:59:10,239
I think that there are a lot
of angles through which we can learn something

801
00:59:10,239 --> 00:59:14,760
valuable. My husband hasn' t
asked me, so I' m sorry

802
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:17,559
many times. That' s why
of course we' ve cried it together,

803
00:59:17,639 --> 00:59:21,239
that' s for nothing, it' s for you to stab him,

804
00:59:21,559 --> 00:59:22,199
I mean, I don' t
think you' re there at all

805
00:59:22,199 --> 00:59:24,880
anymore. Hate me more. But, but, but I do want to

806
00:59:25,239 --> 00:59:31,559
say as if you' re there, pastor already and you' re sorry

807
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:37,000
about your wife or the other way
around, maybe it does happen, but

808
00:59:37,079 --> 00:59:43,320
the other way around where you'
re putting your well- being, under

809
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,000
the well- being of an institution. You' re not understanding what the

810
00:59:45,079 --> 00:59:50,519
Church is. Yes, exactly and
that is what my heart is crying to

811
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:54,159
me, that is to say we
are not understanding the cause of Christ,

812
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:58,880
yes, and I believe that,
thanks to God we have been working it.

813
00:59:59,039 --> 01:00:01,920
I think we' re either 100
or not. But definitely, in

814
01:00:02,039 --> 01:00:08,519
a seventy eighty percent understanding if they' ve gotten better and and and yes

815
01:00:08,519 --> 01:00:12,199
I think there were several of those. That' s the one I tell,

816
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,960
because I have it very much in
mind, because I have a very

817
01:00:15,039 --> 01:00:20,360
bad memory, but it' s
also like the most this easy to explain

818
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,280
was one of the first ones that
I said it couldn' t be more

819
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:25,039
important to the Church than I do
feel it was, like, your reaction.

820
01:00:25,239 --> 01:00:30,280
I think they can make two reasons. One is then really like seeing

821
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:34,960
the Church like that or it was
your way of dealing with the reality that

822
01:00:35,039 --> 01:00:38,599
your wife is sick, your daughter
is sick. Of course I do,

823
01:00:39,239 --> 01:00:44,000
maybe I do, too. I
think what Ahorita said right now we can

824
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:49,000
learn from that anecdote from many angles. Not one of those angles is not

825
01:00:49,639 --> 01:00:54,559
not something I had to learn at
the very beginning in therapy was that I

826
01:00:54,639 --> 01:01:02,760
am a person who cannot relate to
unpleasant emotions, that is, painful emotions,

827
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:08,079
negative emotions. It' s hard
for me to touch them. Not

828
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:14,840
then, when, for example,
you and Kimi are melancholy, not me,

829
01:01:15,039 --> 01:01:20,079
melancholy hurts me, then it hurts
me from a very small time and

830
01:01:20,159 --> 01:01:24,480
you like it because you have a
relationship, but you have a healthy relationship

831
01:01:24,599 --> 01:01:29,880
with melancholy, not with granny.
From there comes in in sigran two,

832
01:01:30,599 --> 01:01:34,920
but I don' t, I
don' t have a healthy relationship with

833
01:01:35,039 --> 01:01:37,559
melancholy and I haven' t learned
to handle it. So it was for

834
01:01:37,679 --> 01:01:44,719
me to realize that I don'
t have a healthy relationship with adversity.

835
01:01:45,199 --> 01:01:50,960
I don' t think I was
coming from a season right now, years

836
01:01:51,039 --> 01:01:55,519
ago that we had so much adversity
that in my brain it was already overcome

837
01:01:55,559 --> 01:01:59,360
adversity I don' t have to
face it again. I mean, that

838
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:04,559
' s it. Then I run
into adverse and difficult situations again and I

839
01:02:04,679 --> 01:02:08,159
didn' t know how to touch
those emotions. So my way of dealing

840
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:14,519
with negative emotions was working and what
cause more noble than the church. That

841
01:02:14,679 --> 01:02:21,239
' s not what you think.
Then I stuck with it and it wouldn

842
01:02:21,559 --> 01:02:24,199
' t allow me to be afraid. It did not allow me to feel

843
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:30,039
pain, It did not allow me
to feel anxiety, because anxiety was another

844
01:02:30,079 --> 01:02:32,079
of the emotions that had prevailed most
in my youth and I said no.

845
01:02:32,239 --> 01:02:37,360
I can' t go back there. Then I think whenever someone hurts us,

846
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:45,559
a good exercise is to imagine that
someone as a child not knowing,

847
01:02:46,119 --> 01:02:52,440
managing the situation that he is happening. Not then, back then I wasn

848
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:58,639
' t funny to myself or to
my wife. I think if it'

849
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:01,519
s not funny with you, it' s funny with nobody. Then I

850
01:03:02,159 --> 01:03:07,199
got stuck in all that and at
the same time, I did have a

851
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:15,440
very superstitious, superstitious Christianity in which
I serve for God to bless me.

852
01:03:15,119 --> 01:03:19,679
Then. It' s a continuous
transaction if I serve God, my wife,

853
01:03:20,039 --> 01:03:22,079
he' s not going to die. If I serve God, my

854
01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:23,960
daughter, she won' t be
sick. I' ve got that triple,

855
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:28,239
too. Suddenly it' s too
cannony, because at the end of

856
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:30,719
the day it was like Kimmy and
you don' t realize it, but

857
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:34,159
I' m doing this for you
to save yourself. I' m sando,

858
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:37,440
I' m saved you said,
no, you don' t leave

859
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:39,159
me to save you. But I
remember with me, the newborn, I

860
01:03:39,159 --> 01:03:43,159
wanting to kind of have you next
door and you were telling me that I

861
01:03:43,199 --> 01:03:45,360
' m going to see such a
person in the Church and I was thinking

862
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:49,159
why. Because you' re giving
that person time and all to me and

863
01:03:49,239 --> 01:03:52,559
I remember you saying I' m
building something for us. This is the

864
01:03:52,559 --> 01:03:54,920
best I can do for you.
I want it to make you the best

865
01:03:54,960 --> 01:04:00,480
life and I thought this isn'
t the greatest life, but you'

866
01:04:00,519 --> 01:04:03,480
re not even there, I wasn' t talking about a view like the

867
01:04:03,599 --> 01:04:08,039
corporate ladder of ay I' m
going to give you a better financial life.

868
01:04:08,079 --> 01:04:13,000
Spiritual, spiritual, that is,
it was as well motivated, but

869
01:04:13,079 --> 01:04:15,840
it could not be in more yes
and it is not biblical, that is,

870
01:04:17,199 --> 01:04:24,800
if we are honest put it in
context, it is not biblical,

871
01:04:25,199 --> 01:04:26,719
that is, we could still object
because Right now, I am studying Luke

872
01:04:26,719 --> 01:04:30,559
fourteen. Jesus says that whoever wants
to follow me must carry his cross and

873
01:04:30,639 --> 01:04:34,800
whoever does not hate his kindred and
loves me cannot be called my disciple.

874
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:45,280
Concepts like that taken out of context, divide many families, divide many marriages,

875
01:04:45,159 --> 01:04:49,679
cause children to generate very heavy traumas, that alienate people from the faith.

876
01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:53,559
If you stay away, then I
believe that what Jesus is saying there

877
01:04:54,039 --> 01:04:58,840
is you have to love me over
loving others. It doesn' t mean

878
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:00,840
like I love you knowing your wife
or your kids, not much less.

879
01:05:02,079 --> 01:05:06,199
So I think I misinterpreted loving Jesus
with loving the church, which is one

880
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:13,760
thing that goes before the other.
First it is my love for God and

881
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:15,679
then it is my love and service
for the Church. It is that I

882
01:05:15,719 --> 01:05:19,440
am where, as I ask again, but then what is the Church,

883
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:23,880
because perhaps we are going to call
Jesus and hence the Church, her Church,

884
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:29,039
not the Church as an institution,
the Church of Christ. I believe

885
01:05:29,039 --> 01:05:31,400
that there, in measure of those
I mean, I think that Jesus is

886
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:36,559
called, love your family and love
the Church, and by Church, I

887
01:05:36,719 --> 01:05:43,920
mean the community that is around you
is that they are not things to me,

888
01:05:44,199 --> 01:05:46,320
they are not different things. I
mean, loving your family, it

889
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:51,280
' s loving Jesus, Exa,
putting your wife as a priority, it

890
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:55,679
' s putting Jesus as a priority, I mean, for me it'

891
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:59,360
s not like I love my wife
and then I love Jesus It' s

892
01:05:59,559 --> 01:06:02,480
like it' s, exactly the
same thing in front of God, when

893
01:06:02,719 --> 01:06:05,920
you actually experience it, it leads
you to love and sacrifice yourself. I

894
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:12,280
think the main topic here is to
ask you why, why you' re

895
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:16,840
sacrificing yourself and why you' re
sacrificing yourself for that cause. Not then

896
01:06:17,159 --> 01:06:20,519
what causes it. That is,
for many people the cause is Christian activism.

897
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:27,519
That what Christian activism is. More
prayer meetings, more congresses, more

898
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:31,880
events, more of all that,
the church I dare say pen to the

899
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:42,000
healthy church. It' s discipleship, I mean, it' s Christians

900
01:06:42,159 --> 01:06:45,719
sharing as a family at the table, so they' re going to get

901
01:06:45,719 --> 01:06:47,519
us together on Sundays. It goes
hand in hand to join the table on

902
01:06:47,639 --> 01:06:54,920
Monday is impressively necessary, one thing
to have the other. But it is

903
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:58,559
also to be asked why I am
sacrificing myself, for the cause that I

904
01:06:58,559 --> 01:07:01,239
am sacrificing myself. And there,
yes, I think we have to sacrifice

905
01:07:01,239 --> 01:07:06,360
ourselves, first for the cause of
our family and then for the cause of

906
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:12,519
the neighbor and then for the cause
of the yes of the lady I met

907
01:07:12,519 --> 01:07:15,519
at the traffic light. And so
we go, but yes, there must

908
01:07:15,599 --> 01:07:18,679
be an order. I think yes, I think the wife goes first,

909
01:07:19,199 --> 01:07:23,320
then the children go. Yeah,
that' s biblical. That is,

910
01:07:23,719 --> 01:07:27,800
yes, to love your wife as
God I love the Church, every vicious

911
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:31,639
circle. Not for that, no, but there' s a mos.

912
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:34,960
It' s very important, because
we' re going to Disney, because

913
01:07:35,039 --> 01:07:39,519
it can also be misinterpreted. Then
you were talking about sacrifices, and it

914
01:07:39,719 --> 01:07:41,360
' s not like I was debilitating
at night either. Then I didn'

915
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:44,480
t see the Church on Sunday because
I' m very tired, that is,

916
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:46,440
the not is this either, I
mean, you have to be in

917
01:07:46,599 --> 01:07:49,039
the Church on Sunday, so we
don' t want this to become like

918
01:07:49,039 --> 01:07:53,960
ah. Ah. Well, Paoli
Kin said they were tired and then the

919
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:57,360
husband said not to go. And
I never went ia, i e at

920
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:00,679
two weeks of parity and I had
already gone to church the day before milan

921
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:03,639
was born was you were heading for
the advance. I believe in the Church.

922
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:08,880
I think, I love just think
the Church is bigger than about four

923
01:08:09,119 --> 01:08:14,320
walls. Yeah, and I think
even if they do create the four paradecycles

924
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:16,520
to bring you together because we were, we' re not good at having

925
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:17,600
them alone, they' re not. That' s because I go to

926
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:21,239
church at home only my whole life. I don' t agree with that.

927
01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:24,720
With you, I don' t
think you' re doing it well,

928
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:29,399
of course point, sorry, but
I think that, but I think

929
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:35,479
that understanding all that, there are
moments and there are crises where you have

930
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:41,520
to prioritize, prioritize, prioritize,
prioritize to clarify your family, because you

931
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:44,439
understand that it' s like the
foundation of a pyramid, I mean,

932
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:46,680
no, there' s nothing good
to have you like in the top well,

933
01:08:47,199 --> 01:08:50,720
if you don' t have family, you don' t have church,

934
01:08:51,199 --> 01:08:56,319
or it' s clear we don' t see now just happened,

935
01:08:56,319 --> 01:08:56,319
unfortunately, about Pastor Robert Morris and
the crime he committed many years ago.

936
01:08:56,479 --> 01:09:00,720
There' s no what, and
that led to as if your family isn

937
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:06,039
' t okay, if your person
isn' t okay, you can'

938
01:09:06,079 --> 01:09:09,960
t have a church anymore or it
happened to Carl Lens. If your marriage

939
01:09:10,039 --> 01:09:12,159
isn' t right, you can' t have a church anymore. So

940
01:09:12,159 --> 01:09:17,119
many times by winning the church you
lose your marriage, by winning the church,

941
01:09:17,239 --> 01:09:21,520
you lose your children and without realizing
it you are putting a time bomb

942
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:29,600
on your ministry. Also then we
are called to make holistic balanced beings and

943
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:30,800
it is worth it all of a
sudden to bring him down to the church.

944
01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:33,800
And when I say go down to
church, he' s a pastor.

945
01:09:34,319 --> 01:09:40,359
It' s okay if you don' t run all the voluntary prayer

946
01:09:40,359 --> 01:09:44,520
meetings. It' s okay if
you go to Disney on a Sunday.

947
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:49,319
It' s okay if one Sunday
you don' t go to the good

948
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:53,319
mpin and sit down to receive.
Now, when things become patterns, both

949
01:09:53,319 --> 01:09:59,479
some that seem good and those that
we know are bad, they end up

950
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:03,399
destroying, that is, pleasure.
Pleasure is good, but if compulsive pleasure

951
01:10:04,039 --> 01:10:10,159
is harmful. Because we have,
I mean, friends who grabbed it like

952
01:10:10,279 --> 01:10:14,680
that mentality never brought back the clear
boiled ones. And we have to understand

953
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:16,880
that in the end, the journey
of living a life with Jesus is something

954
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:20,960
you have to do for yourself,
but not for yourself alone. They'

955
01:10:21,079 --> 01:10:26,239
re very different concepts. You need
the community of the Church and you need

956
01:10:26,239 --> 01:10:29,560
it yourself. And this is where
I love marriage, because when Luis and

957
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:31,119
I came to an agreement that Paola, if you' re tired, you

958
01:10:31,239 --> 01:10:33,840
don' t need to go to
the first Union, because I even go

959
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:35,319
to the second. You don'
t feel well to go to either of

960
01:10:35,359 --> 01:10:40,079
you don' t go, but
he said I won' t let you

961
01:10:40,119 --> 01:10:44,640
miss more than two Sundays, because
I know you and I know you can

962
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:46,600
get used to it in front of
you is like that comfort. So it

963
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:50,199
' s okay to also push each
other and say how and I also talk

964
01:10:50,199 --> 01:10:53,720
to him friends and tell him hey, I haven' t seen you on

965
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:55,399
three Sundays what' s going on
right now. I mean, it'

966
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:59,880
s also worth something that, for
example, that that' s a very

967
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,640
recent thing, where I tell her
after suddenly because of her work, she

968
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:09,520
travels all week for video productions and
stuff, then something very recent, is

969
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:13,079
to tell her that if you'
re tired, because you see only the

970
01:11:13,199 --> 01:11:15,680
second meeting or don' t come, there' s no problem, but

971
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:15,600
I tell her, but I'
m going to go to both meetings.

972
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:19,279
Not then it' s my mentality, it' s my question. Or

973
01:11:19,359 --> 01:11:24,800
what I want to put on the
table is, as couples in the Ministry

974
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:29,840
and in leadership, you can run
at different speeds, that' s not,

975
01:11:30,279 --> 01:11:35,239
I mean, there' s a
way it works well or not,

976
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:39,079
because in my case I think the
problem divorces us, separates us. Tell

977
01:11:39,239 --> 01:11:44,640
me Bro. That' s why
I came not, because I feel that

978
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:49,000
the conflicts we' ve had is
me wanting her to run at my speed

979
01:11:49,119 --> 01:11:53,000
and she wanting me to walk at
her speed. Right, and that'

980
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:57,680
s where we hit. So,
my last conversation, which I think was

981
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:00,239
really good, that' s the
last time we had how this theme was

982
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:04,520
how you can walk, I want
to run. I' m not gonna

983
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:09,560
tell you to run, don'
t tell me to walk, and I

984
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:11,239
think he helped us right now.
I think it' s been good.

985
01:12:11,359 --> 01:12:15,039
I didn' t feel it was
something like it brought conflict. On the

986
01:12:15,039 --> 01:12:18,399
contrary, but how they see it, how you' ve lived it,

987
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:21,520
because, because I' m comfortable
with that decision, but maybe you,

988
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:24,760
if it' s that nothing is
treated as you want, lost it,

989
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:26,000
that is, it' s wrong, it' s going to burn.

990
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:30,279
I have one to see It'
s worth one. I believe that as

991
01:12:30,319 --> 01:12:36,079
everything in marriage is valid as long
as they agree, agreements less what is

992
01:12:36,199 --> 01:12:42,079
clear sin, of course people strange
by clarification, people are plotting marriage is

993
01:12:42,079 --> 01:12:46,079
valid. What it is like in
parentheses, for example, as long as

994
01:12:46,199 --> 01:12:53,119
they agree, examples of sins in
marriage marital sins that is, I think

995
01:12:53,239 --> 01:12:59,760
the tendency, that is, life
is uneven, that is, I feel

996
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:03,640
that it will suddenly force you to
run and suddenly walk and you will not

997
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:09,159
always be at the same frequency and
there is the rhythm of being one in

998
01:13:09,279 --> 01:13:12,800
marriage, maybe we can be one. If you' re running, I

999
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:16,439
' m walking. It' s
a challenge like what and I think as

1000
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:21,079
long as they genuinely agree to say
I' m going to walk for you

1001
01:13:21,119 --> 01:13:24,079
to run and I' m going
to run for you to walk. I

1002
01:13:24,079 --> 01:13:29,359
mean, if you agree, I
think there' s no problem, because

1003
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:32,680
it' s not necessarily unequal yoke, because I think there' s an

1004
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:38,920
agreement and necessarily if you' re
running or walking in this metaphor doesn'

1005
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:40,479
t mean that your conviction or your
passion for God is different. There are

1006
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:45,039
only different seasons, in my case, that already had a daughter and thinking

1007
01:13:45,159 --> 01:13:48,119
of mothers who have three children,
where they have decided that the mother is

1008
01:13:48,319 --> 01:13:56,680
going to make it like the primary
caregiver, because they have to walk or

1009
01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:59,720
be spiritually speaking, although who knows
how much God teaches them through their children

1010
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:03,479
chans is running, I would not
say spiritually speaking, but as in activities

1011
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:09,359
in terrible service life, because perhaps
spiritually they are short, they are running,

1012
01:14:09,359 --> 01:14:12,600
they are learning. In fact,
they' re running, but I

1013
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:15,439
think maybe you can look like they' re walking and it looks different.

1014
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:19,680
I think the heart of the matter
is as long as they genuinely and completely

1015
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:24,439
agree, and I' m not
saying it' s easy and I'

1016
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:27,640
m not saying that I didn'
t take it as if you and I

1017
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:29,479
would die, because how beautiful it
is when the two run we walk them

1018
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:31,600
like how beautiful that is. But
as long as they agree, that would

1019
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:33,840
be the key to me. If
you don' t agree, then there

1020
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:36,119
' s a problem there. Yes, a severe problem and it has it

1021
01:14:36,239 --> 01:14:41,560
I think it' s both,
I mean, it' s to understand

1022
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:45,920
in which seasons they' re going
to trade places, because, undoubtedly they

1023
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:50,760
' re going to trade places,
that is, after the theme that Mila

1024
01:14:51,039 --> 01:14:59,439
was born, I fell into a
hard anxiety and Jimmy had to run a

1025
01:14:59,439 --> 01:14:59,600
lot of things and I was walking
for health and there are instances. I

1026
01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:04,239
mean, Kimmy came out of church
staff work, but she started running inside

1027
01:15:05,119 --> 01:15:11,640
the church on other levels while working
all about a heart like I think there

1028
01:15:12,239 --> 01:15:15,319
are seasons and something that has hurt
people a lot is having a bad idea

1029
01:15:15,359 --> 01:15:24,399
of what' s unequal yoke.
I think people have thought that the service

1030
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:29,680
of both sides within the couple must
look identical so that it is an equal

1031
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:32,359
yoke and if it does not look
identical, it is an unequal yoke.

1032
01:15:33,199 --> 01:15:42,039
But I think there are people who
do invisible things but they' re important.

1033
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:46,560
In other words, there are people
who do very visible things that are

1034
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:51,159
less important than invisible ones. I
mean, there' s everything going on

1035
01:15:51,279 --> 01:15:56,760
in a relationship. Then, at
the end of the day, the subject

1036
01:15:57,279 --> 01:16:00,960
of the yoke had to be a
strong ox and a weak one for that

1037
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:05,000
to work. I mean, if
there are seasons where an old young man,

1038
01:16:05,359 --> 01:16:11,920
a young man and not an old
man, one experienced in tases of

1039
01:16:12,039 --> 01:16:13,039
opposites aha, then it' s
like yes. That' s right.

1040
01:16:13,279 --> 01:16:16,279
There are times where one is going
to run and the other is going to

1041
01:16:16,279 --> 01:16:18,720
walk and let the other take it, and there are times where it'

1042
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:20,000
s going to be the other way
around and it' s super good.

1043
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:28,640
So, I think it' s
very valuable to talk about these issues to

1044
01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:35,359
de- stigmatize rest, de-
stigmatize being in seasons at odds with your

1045
01:16:35,399 --> 01:16:42,199
partner and also encourage people to remember
that the Church is an imperfect community of

1046
01:16:42,279 --> 01:16:45,880
people who chose to be brothers and
sisters to be family. And at the

1047
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:49,760
end of the day I was going
to say that every time I came to

1048
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:55,239
the Church, the women moms of
the Church and even the or many moms,

1049
01:16:55,680 --> 01:17:00,359
but most moms never judged me clear. I' m very grateful for

1050
01:17:00,359 --> 01:17:03,399
that. If any of you know
this, I felt embraced by the community,

1051
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:08,119
yet yes, I had missed two
Sundays because my daughter was sick and

1052
01:17:08,319 --> 01:17:11,439
I mean, I never felt judgment
on the part of the Church. And

1053
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:15,239
that was in this new facet If
there have been moments, but in this

1054
01:17:15,279 --> 01:17:19,720
new facet it was not healing and
it was so healing because the moms saw

1055
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:23,600
me, but how you are.
They hugged me and then I told them,

1056
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:24,640
but okay, I' m sorry
I didn' t come. Don

1057
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:27,600
' t ask me for forgiveness,
how good, you Ni, you should

1058
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:30,560
be here, go home I mean, it was like a brother' s

1059
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:33,520
permission like that. Okay, yeah, yeah, me, for me it

1060
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:39,159
was super healing and made me help. It made me feel like it helped

1061
01:17:39,199 --> 01:17:42,359
me a lot in my process and
I feel like I was telling you it

1062
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:45,680
' s just that they don'
t judge me right you want a lot,

1063
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:47,520
but they don' t matter.
The ladies are looking at you,

1064
01:17:48,399 --> 01:17:57,479
damn it, candles, but I
want to see you both at once.

1065
01:17:58,039 --> 01:18:01,439
I don' t think I can
complain that there are some extremes where I

1066
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:04,600
do, but I think that in
general I thank God that he stayed as

1067
01:18:05,199 --> 01:18:09,439
he was because at some point I
went back to my lane and we started

1068
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:11,640
walking at the same rhythm S.
A lot of them are personality. I

1069
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:16,079
mean, obviously toxic activism is wrong, but many of us are full a

1070
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:20,520
call, a gift a talent and
a personality that God gave us and I

1071
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:26,680
did, I had to learn to
get down and rest and vacation and not

1072
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:29,800
go to the office and say,
that' s why I have a team.

1073
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:31,239
There wasn' t all the cell
phone. To pay. Cell phone

1074
01:18:31,279 --> 01:18:33,600
' s the hardest thing I have
to do. But there we go,

1075
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:41,760
there we go. It' s
been a good pilgrimage. Last concept conclusions

1076
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:46,319
already to say goodbye I' m
going to Disney. Disney' s a

1077
01:18:46,319 --> 01:18:50,640
me. That' s the thing
down here, showing up the information for

1078
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:54,560
a trip to Disney. And we' re all gonna say we have trips

1079
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:57,039
to Disney. Let' s now
travel and go for a shirt pass that

1080
01:18:57,079 --> 01:19:01,439
has been a mikey but low to
say beat, to say beat by a

1081
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:04,760
mine with a bible. We'
re all going to Disney together on Sunday.

1082
01:19:05,039 --> 01:19:08,079
If it' s not worth it
in or. I think it'

1083
01:19:08,159 --> 01:19:14,399
s simple to lock up with every
person you have at your side has a

1084
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:18,760
different process than yours because, because
we are each formed by different values,

1085
01:19:19,119 --> 01:19:25,800
even within the same religion. We
have different values at different types of parenting,

1086
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:28,880
even if it' s your brother. There' s a very good

1087
01:19:29,279 --> 01:19:31,439
concept that would be for later,
but it' s the one that'

1088
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:35,479
s your brother. He had different
parents because they were in a different economic

1089
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:39,800
season here no longer had help or
had different things help. So, as

1090
01:19:40,399 --> 01:19:45,319
you never judge someone else' s
process, but always try to see how

1091
01:19:45,359 --> 01:19:47,840
you can help him, that is, if it' s a process where

1092
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:51,359
he feels low. I didn'
t go to the church before I pushed

1093
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:55,439
him to ask why and help him
get out of there. So it'

1094
01:19:55,520 --> 01:20:00,600
s just how you all live a
different process and your process isn' t

1095
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:02,239
always the valid and the best and
the only yardstick to measure others. Sure,

1096
01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:06,279
100 percent sings like. Yeah.
For me, in short, it

1097
01:20:06,399 --> 01:20:11,520
would be wrong if you don'
t go every Sunday. When it goes

1098
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:13,640
well, I' m in the
same way. That' s what I

1099
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:16,680
' m taking this conversation with me. Well said Jesus go to the Church

1100
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:24,000
every Sunday, or quote which one
he lived in. It' s an

1101
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:25,880
apocryphal book. They weren' t
there. It' s not around you

1102
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:30,960
plan Enock' s book Enoch Luis
you know what better you dedicate to singing

1103
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:33,600
and walking, just like the promo
before, like in the promo of this

1104
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:38,920
season, already a combac so good
that I didn' t say it because

1105
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:43,000
I said no that wild throw it
to see your comba okay look, you

1106
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:49,039
tell me better can you' re
better than talking again you' re better

1107
01:20:49,399 --> 01:20:49,600
singing than talking now you do better
to sing, don' t tell me

1108
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:54,239
better. Not that I never said. I' m not afraid, I

1109
01:20:54,319 --> 01:20:57,640
' m not afraid to tell you
better. No yeah, hijis say it,

1110
01:20:57,960 --> 01:21:00,439
by the way. Anyway, you' re better, you' re

1111
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:09,479
better at talking than singing You know
you' re better at what you do

1112
01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:11,520
nothing, I don' t do
anything, it does things, but they

1113
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:15,800
' re invisible. They' re
invisible, they' re magical. You

1114
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:17,359
know what I know, what it
does. Listen to Mos what he does,

1115
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:23,880
but think about the wits. We' re going to feed the haters,

1116
01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:28,079
those who hate me, improve the
podcast that keeps them in nets.

1117
01:21:28,159 --> 01:21:30,439
Yeah, sure, you were gonna
feed them and it was gonna get out

1118
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:33,479
of control, but you have to
tell them what you' re doing.

1119
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:40,199
Friends, Body, Hey, Hey, Party, What You event, so

1120
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:45,800
listen guys. Thank you, thank
you for tuning this episode of the season.

1121
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:49,600
Number seven of Uncle Podcast can find
us everywhere like a latium heart.

1122
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:55,359
They' re appearing on Luis and
Paola' s social networks. Here on

1123
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:59,920
the screen we' ll see you
in the next episode and stop being toxic.

1124
01:22:00,279 --> 01:22:02,039
Don' t be toxic to the
Church anymore. Go to Disney,

1125
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:09,720
do invisible things, sing instead of
talking. Go to church. Don'

1126
01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:11,600
t say no. I don'
t go to church because you don'

1127
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:14,399
t believe. Don' t stain, don' t stain. Go to

1128
01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:15,640
church. Yeah, look, I
do. I' m going to say

1129
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:18,119
this, what it does to the
Church. Six months in a row,

1130
01:22:18,399 --> 01:22:23,199
you can give yourself the right to
go to disti If you do not go

1131
01:22:23,279 --> 01:22:25,279
to the Church, you are not
a true disciple of Jesus. So things,

1132
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:30,039
truth God, bless them, see
you next week. Take care bye.