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who you are, where you are, when you are. I have an
old friend with me tonight, as as I have a few times recently,
and I think it's been about a month, but that's okay. We don't
have a regular schedule with this guy anymore, but we used to have a
couple of regular schedules with them, and in fact I might ask a question
of them to get this whole conversation started before we get into the meat of
the discussion, as it were. And I hope you guys are ready for
this one, because yeah, we're gonna wind up talking a little bit about
some of the stuff that might be tied to the Ukraine War. And I
always get myself in trouble when I bring that up, especially because now there's
even more talk about neo Nazis and who's who and everything else over there,
and lots of people are repeating all sorts of Russian talking points out there and
not really knowing what's going on, and others that just want to blindly support
it because after all, Bidenomics is working for them. Right anyway, I
don't know who they are. I don't know who in America is doing well
at the moment. I hope my friend Pierce Redmond Porkin's policy review. You
might have heard of that before. You should have. Anyway, I'm gonna
take us all the way back to the beginning of when I actually met Pierce
at some point during this conversation, and then we're gonna jump to today and
talk about our friend, our friend, not our friend, not really our
friend at all, this interesting character we've been confronted with the chef himself who
was running the Wagoner group, because even though he's supposedly dead, there might
be more to it. Anyways, Pierce Redmond, First off, man,
how you doing tonight? I'm doing I'm doing well, Chuck, excuse me
a little tired, mainly because of the heat wave that I assume you're also
experiencing. It was about ninety five ninety six degrees today, So if I
sound a little I sent a little uh sort of sun kiss, that is
why. But I do. I have a beer next to me, So
hopefully we'll be able to talk about the Wagner group and whether or not for
Goosen is alive tucked away somewhere fair enough. Look, ninety five degrees in
Georgia, Pierce, I hate to tell you, that's like a normal occurrence.
It's like spring weather here, man, what's wrong with you? Ninety
five? You're complaining about heat? And I know you know No, I've
been confronted recently one hundred and fifteen degree heat indexes here in the one and
it ain't a dry heat like in Arizona, where I think they had one
hundred and twenty five or some kind of record breaking nonsense recently. Gee,
I wonder if things are getting hotter. They appear to be anyway, breaking
records ever since they've been keeping those records. But I don't know if the
climate is changing. But I do know the damn well the weather is.
Yeah, I know, I feel like we've talked about it before, but
it's like, yeah, whatever you believe, it's like you have to understand,
like you can't sort of disbelieve that it is just getting way hotter,
that something is going on. There's something wrong, whether you know, without
getting into the science of it. Yeah, it's disturbing. It also just
sucks. Like even if you are you know, just hardcore, you know,
right wing, I'm gonna drive a giant SUV. I don't care,
nothing matters. Your summer is sort of screwed by the cheat, but there's
something there's something fun to do anymore. Yeah, all you have to and
also your electric bill. It's just I don't know. I it's like just
like those sort of like the kind of like basic level. I just don't
know why anyone would would be like, I'm not gonna do anything about this.
Even if you're old enough and white enough to remember fond this is not
fun to do. Okays, just say that was a thing in the Northeast.
I don't know if that was everywhere, but there was like literally fond
due that used to be a thing. I always think of that, especially
because of that South Park episode with the cat urine where they go. They
call it cheesing because it's fun to do. I was like, wow,
that's hilarious, and it sounds like every other drug craze they bring out that
usually doesn't turn into a drug craze. You ever notice they roll out drug
crazes and it's never the big headline ones they tell you and your kids are
doing this. They might be for a minute, but it goes away pretty
quick. The thing that actually poisons the entirety of the society is usually not
spoken about on TV. Oh, actually it is, but it's actually advertised
to you directly because it's legal, you know, like we have the newest
pain killer. Yes we do. Uh. And they did just you know,
drink more bud light or that or you know what. Now we're putting
drugs in your drinks of some kind, whether it comes from a bull urine
or whatever. That was another weird thing. What is that tetrazine or uh
something. It was in the energy drinks for a bit and they were like,
I don't know it comes from or something whatever it was, Hey,
look drink this. Uh. Anyway, we've gotten strange real quick. I
want to go into a little personal thing about you and me real fast,
because I was thinking about this the other day because somebody was telling me what
a terrible human being I am after I produced their show for a little while,
and I just I thought back to who didn't leave the network like pissed
off at me? And you did. You left the network, and you
were not angry at me, as I remember. You just decided, look,
I don't have time to dedicate myself to the once a week show,
so I'm not going to do it anymore. But you came on here after
you had a show with American Freedom Radio, and you had been doing a
podcast previous to any of that, but you stopped doing your live shows on
a regular schedule, and nowadays I don't think you actually are putting out regular
porkins policy podcasts either, right, because life has sort of gotten in the
way. Am I correct about that? That is correct? Yeah? This
is This is the normal podcast is the infrequent conversations that we have right now.
Like basically, you don't even do yours anymore, but once in a
while you show up with me and we have a little chat. And that's
where you stand. Because your your life has taken different directions. You're a
little younger than me, and you just got married recently. I mean as
recently as within a few months, right December second, So we're kind of
coming up on the anniversary. Yeah, we'll get there. After I go
to Dallas. You'll be having your one year anniversary. But anyway, this
thing is all of this coming up. I was just thinking to myself,
you had left the network and you didn't. It wasn't because I was a
big jerk or anything. It was just that you had other things to do.
And uh and and previous to that, I had actually a sort of
gotten you started over at Afar when pretty much Danny Romero was grabbing anybody who
had been a guest on my show that sounded like they could talk, and
seeing if they wanted a podcast, which was an interesting thing that went on
over there. Some people were doing podcasts, some people were not. And
then he was like, hey, you want to do live radio, and
he did that to everybody. Ed Opperman got on over there, You got
on over there, a whole bunch of different people that had been guests on
my show, Terry Joyce, whatever, Right, Okay, So I was
thinking about that and thinking to myself, you know, if Pierce ever one
an event about how hard it is for me to work with me. I
figured i'd let you right now, So tell people the terrible things about me.
Go ahead. Oh I don't, I don't know. It's just it's
just a setup. Or say to somebody say something. No, it's not
a setup for you. It's a set. But but here's the thing.
It's a setup because I just I wanted to give you a free reign.
If you wanted to say anything negative about me, go ahead, I can
take it. You're my friend. Oh no, no, I mean,
I would say. I mean, I wouldn't. Really, I had no
negative experiences, even Afar, which was a little wacky at times, I
wouldn't even you know, that wasn't even a bad experience. It was right.
See. The whole thing is you and I met because and this I
don't want I don't want to hit any sore nerves here. But you were
working with a lady that was trying to build a media organization. Uh,
if you want to mention her, I don't know, that's up to you.
Sabell Edmunds. I didn't hit everybody knows, Okay, no problem,
Sabell Edmunds. And you know Sabelle was trying to recruit me at one point
to do some stuff, and I don't know, at some point drastically changed
her mind and hid decided not to. But she had made a couple of
appearances, and she brought you along onto my show one day because you were
part of her putting together what was that thing called news news Bud news Bud,
that's it news But you know, yeah, at the time, we
were all working for Boiling France Post, right, which was her first website,
right, And that was like you and Corbett and her and just a
bunch of people that I would talk to on a regular but you got introduced
to me that way. And I had never you know, no offense to
you, but I had never heard of Porkins. I'd never heard of your
podcast or anything. It was sort of like, well, Samelle's bringing this
person with her. I was okay, fine, uh, And you and
I just kind of formed this this odd friendship at a distance, which is
really funny because I was living in North Carolina at that time and you're you're
still in New York. And I was like, oh, guy from New
York. Cool. Uh, And it turned out that you were, you
know, really more from Brooklyn, and I had lived in Manhattan, and
I had lived in Jersey and stuff like that. So I mean I lived
in places that you like to go visit on vacation. It was just there
were and that's funny. Yeah, you go every once in a while to
a little place called Bradley Beach. Don't anybody stalk him down there? Ye,
But you go to Bradley Beach, which is right next to what I
consider my hometown, a place called Neptune, right which is in the Asbury
I always mentioned Asbury Park, but really my hometown area was like Neptune,
Neptune City, Asbury Park. It was like that whole area which is connected
to Bradley Beaches right there. Uh it's it's just a chunk of the Jersey
shore. Anyways, I just found it interesting. I was thinking you and
I had formed this friendship. And I don't think you and I have ever
had like a fight of falling out. Each of us has been through different
issues in our personal lives. I've moved around you. You went from I
mean, I think you piece did you did you have in your life when
you met me? Or did she come a little later or I don't remember.
I think I think that Mede was after because but we met in like
twenty fifteen. Yea, it would have been after that, right, Okay,
So I mean like, but but you and I have been through different
things personally, and somehow I've always maintained a friendship and have never gotten even
if some of the people we were working with or whatever went in their different
directions or had different ideas about each of us. Right, there were there
were some people that for a little while, uh, we're kind of turned
on you in this weird sort of way because I forget what it was you
were chilling for something they were saying. I don't even remember the idiocy of
it, and I'm going, well, look he's my friend. I know
who he is, and I don't really give a friend. But no,
it was there was some weird thing with news Bud, But there was also
just this weird thing that went on in the ault media world with you,
where I guess you had sided you know, I learned the hard way right
after that, how that works when you take the wrong side of an issue
and then people turn on you and start calling you a fed and everything else.
But because remember I came out of that patriot radio kind of thing for
a minute there, and they all decided that I was, you know,
an anti American, non patriot commy or whatever. But for a little while,
you know, I mean, I had live reports from the Bundy Ranch
and everything. I mean I was. I was definitely in that mix and
you were coming from a different mix. But at a certain point, your
your alleged colleagues do turn on you for one reason or another. Sometimes it's
personal, sometimes it's just you took the wrong side of an issue. And
I remember you took the wrong side of an issue that I don't remember what
issue it was, but you took some side that was just like, oh,
you're not really alternative media, now, are you. And I just
remember casting it off and just going, yeah, but I know this guy,
I know he's not you're saying, you know, he's some kind of
plant. Oh you know, And I'm sure you've heard about me over the
years, even when we went over the Wiki Spooks article, which, by
the way, Wiki Spooks, I'm still pissed off at you. You have
me reference there. I'm just a reference on Pierce's uh well, I don't
even know who wrote the I mean, actually I do know one of the
people, this lunatic. Sorry to throw this guy into the bus. I
doubt he's listening right now, who was like editing that page of mine and
I had asked him multiple times to take things down. He got information wrong.
He I mean, I feel like, if I go to it now,
it's still sort of like super incorrect about you know, people, people
I've have had on the show, people I'm associated with. But yeah,
that's all just some random guy. Yeah, it's so funny because I'm on
that list operamans on that list, I think, you know. But but
they got my stuff, they have me there and I'm like a clickable link
and it goes nowhere and they don't give me an entry, and I'm like,
screw you guys at LEAs gonna be a crap entry. You know.
Anyways, all right, But I'm just saying, it's so funny the way
the world turns, and some people are your friends and some people are not.
It's just that simple. I mean, it's just and you will learn
the hard way if you don't want to learn an easy way. Eventually,
that's how it works. Anyways. Look, this is not the point of
tonight's discussion, but I did want to spring it on you because this recent
thing happened where again, you know, somebody who was claiming to be my
friend kind of went on a Twitter a fit about me in a weird way,
and I kept saying, well, why don't you tell people what it
is I actually did to you that was so awful, And they really don't
have anything to say, because I don't give people a hard time when I'm
trying to work with them. I just don't. But anyways, I just
wanted to point that out because I thought it was funny. I thought back
to you, and I'm going, there's a guy who's been around me for
you know, like here think seven eight, nine years, you know,
and I've only been doing this for about ten. So this is a guy
who came around me like early on by happenstance because he just you know,
again, no offense, but you were just sort of the the attachment to
Sabel Edmonds one day, yeah, and you and I became friends and there
hasn't been a problem ever since. And at a certain point we were on
the same network and then and then I was producing you briefly. Uh,
Aaron Franz, did your your artwork for your your little show template, which
was really helpful, you know, based on what you wanted him to do.
And Aaron has done a lot of the little show template or artwork pieces,
not mine, but like pretty much everybody else's has been on the network.
Unless it's a really crappy, blocky looking thing, then probably I did
it. But other than that, and I did Pierce's original piece too,
and then he got a better one from Aaron. So remember that I had
one that was like gray and red and oh yeah, and I was like
just trying to you know, put your and I always loved the little piece
of artwork that is still your icon on Skype, your little like po Yeah,
that's one Drew which is the original logo. I love that, and
I wanted to incorporate that and use that, and of course that's still like
your thing and and I and I love it. But but the thing is
that I was just thinking back, like, you know, there's a guy
who like you know, came and was here for a while and left and
doesn't hate my gods, which is nice anyways, well you know what,
I to that end, I feel like that's that's uh. As someone who
has sort of like left the you know, for lack of a better word,
like cult of alternative media. It's very easy to like fall. I
feel like, looking on it now as sort of an outsider, it you
you really start to see like how stark everything is and how stark your own
thinking is, and and uh, you know you you I don't know,
I mean not so much now, but you know, back when, I
think, you know, both of us were more sort of like involved in
that world, and you know, and it's like, oh, we're you
know, we're awake. You know, it's like all of this. You
know, Now, I guess like woke has sort of taken on a different
we wos a different thing now, right, yeah, yeah, but but
you know, but that was but that was a thing. Are you awake?
Is he awake? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? And and there were
there was a yeah before woke meant whatever it means now it that's like sensibly
what it was just another way of saying awake, you know, and and
uh, but I think, yeah, you're oh yeah, are you awake?
Are you you know, are you're part of the sheeple? But yeah,
you're you know what it is. It's the same mechanism, but hang
on, it's the same mechanism, okay, but it's through a different worldview.
It means are you aware of the real problems or not? I mean
that's ultimately what the universal definition is there. Whether you're woke, you're awake,
you're enlightened. Uh, you you've been. There was the whole thing
about have you been uh you know, given the knowledge all of this stuff,
have you been initiated? I mean they were using stuff that you know,
was like very much borrowed from the Freemasons and all that at a certain
point, and then we got more more terms as time went on. Now
we're dealing with the NPCs and all this. I'm okay, but see I
was unceremoniously invited out. You just sort of walked away from different people and
then suddenly found yourself on the outside, but you willfully walked away. I
was kind of trying to stay in there. I'm really glad I didn't remain
in that stark reality, and I was like, you know what, I
would a whole lot happier and more comfortable just going, oh, I don't
have to care whether I insulted this sacred cow. That was another thing too,
is there were certain sacred cows, you know, not not just comparing
Sabel Edmunds to a cow because she's female or anything, but she was like
a sacred cow in the all media, and so so ish and Jordan Maxwell,
who I have a lot of respect had a lot of respect for he's
passed away, but he was a sacred cow. And David Ike was a
sacred cow amongst certain people, and even God help us all, Alex Jones
was a sacred count. Oh yeah, completely, I mean so yeah,
but there were people like this and and this is and this is the thing
that I'm so glad I'm invited out of. Is that that cult like mentality
where there are some segments of this it's like, oh, no, be
yourself, but don't do that. You know, you can't. You can't
question Alex Jones, what's wrong with you? You know. It's like I
found that it was and I've noticed this like recently, like uh, certainly
with like the Twitter, Like I'm just I have like almost no patience for
it. And if you go to my Twitter feed, it's like nothing.
And then I'll occasionally post when I'm coming on to do your show, but
you know, it's like it's also like you can't you they're the secret counts,
right, you can't go against them. But at the same time,
it's like you have to basically accept everything as ludac Christ as it is.
You can't ever be And I find myself now completely out of that. I'm
sometimes I look at something and I'm like, is there a conspiracy here,
you know? Or is this just like this is just how it is,
or or it is exactly what it looks like. I mean, point in
case we were you know, we're gonna touch on you have getting prosen oh
you know, the Russian boss of the Wagner group, and and there are
certainly you know, you were sending me some articles about these uh you know,
people believing that he's still alive. This is all you know, it's
you. You can't ever I found more and more that like you could not
look at reality right, and if you accepted it, you were somehow like
you know, you had taken the blue pill. You were part of the
matrix. You know, all of those all the stupid buzzwords and imagery and
you know and pejoratives that I have taken on you know this other meaning you're
completely part of that world. Then again to accept reality, you know,
like as if that's somehow, no, that can't be the truth. There's
gonna be more to it. And then I don't know, this is maybe
getting out there, but I've been fascinated by these uh you know, the
the UFOs stuff that's been in the news lately. I don't know how much
you've paid attention to it or anything, but you know, I have.
You know what, Let let me let me tie this back a little bit,
because the reason why I brought up all that other stuff, everybody thinks
it's probably some loose thing because I just have this personal need to bring it
up. No, no, no, I was going to bring it back
around to this, the issue even of discussing, okay, Russia and Ukraine
and what's happening in Vladimir Putin. This is a seriously divisive issue that,
of course, is a bullet you've dodged entirely because you haven't been associated with
anybody in alt media lately. And I'm not part of that anymore. I
mean, I still have a couple of loose associations with a couple of people
in the old alt media world, but very few. And here's the bottom
line, do you know how divisive this has become in the indie media world
at this point in time? I mean, are you aware of it?
Well, my impression and again this is someone that has like completely sort of
separated himself from it. But my impression is that you know, when when
I first started out, well, first of when I started out, and
certainly you and if you look at other people like Aaron, James Corbett,
you know you could we all did it basically just like on our own right,
there was no you know, like I for me personally, I listened
to an episode that James did on how to make a podcast, and then
I went out and I bought I'm using the exact same microphone that he recommended
all those years ago, and you know, and I and I made it,
and I made an episode and I actually emailed it two James and then
he, uh, we became friends and he started including all my podcasts and
his old subscriber newsletter and and that's how I met a lot of other people
that, like, you know, Aaron and you know, other Germa Jimenez,
who I used to do a lot of work with, and so you
know, I met all these people, you know, and that's how you
did it, right, But when this was going on, was that like
two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine and there, Yeah, this
would have been well, this would have been when the Boston bombing happened.
That was the very first episode I ever did, Okay, so yeah,
so it was a little bit later than yeah, yeah, but yeah,
well you know when when you know, because that's why it's me and a
microphone, right, yeah, that's right when I got rolling exactly then,
so you and I actually rolled at about the same time. But again,
there was no way of us like coming together because everybody was very disconnected.
There really weren't communities, which was odd. All there was was some groups
of listeners that might have met each other in a chat room or something like.
You know, if you were a listener to Jack Bloods, you might
have heard him depending on which network he hoped to because they had chat rooms.
And that was it, like like you would run into somebody there,
you get to know him there a little bit, and then somebody might say,
well, I've got a podcast too, you know, or I've got
a YouTube channel or whatever, and this was it. This was the way.
Now, James was very much liked I y do it yourself be the
media. Him and Clyde and even Jack at that time, we're pretty much
the three voices. And I was privately emailing these guys, pretty much yelling
at them about their JFK stuff, and they just simultaneously all kind of said
back to me, Look, why don't you just make your own and then
you can do this your way? And you know, like, how about
you shut up and do it yourself? Kid? You know, whether I
was older than them or younger than them, it didn't really matter. And
I am a little bit older than you. But you and I rolled at
about the same time in twenty thirteen then, which is interesting again because I
mean James was so far back that he was taking like documentaries and playing the
audio of a documentary on his show and then commenting on it. That was
one of his designs, remember that. I think it was like Sundays he
did that and it was really cool, and I'm sure it's still all there
if you go to Corbett Report dot com. Shot don't have to James Corbett
still, you know, because even though he may be on a different side
of an issue or two or whatever, I can't argue with the voluminous and
really intensely good work he's done on so many different issues. But what's weird
here is that we've now entered another time, you know, sort of like
back in about seven years ago, six seven years ago, you were either
on the Trump train or you weren't okay, and that that was an odd
divide and you were there for that. I'm telling you this Russian thing is
deep, just like it and why because when we were coming into this community,
if you notice, there was this infiltration and this pr campaign to make
Russia today, which, by the way, if you guys hear like weird
like block party noise, I can't help it. I got neighbors that are
super super freaking loud, and I don't have enough installation to block out their
their their craps. So hopefully you guys can't hear that, but if you
do, sorry, it's just very loud at the moment. Anyway. Yeah,
So what I'm trying to say is though that there was this divide about
you know, either you're with Trump or you're against Trump, because he's the
outsider coming in, you know, when he was running okay Russia. Now
based on the campaign seven eight years ago, twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen,
twenty sixteen. During that time, there were a lot of all media people
I'm holding up air quotes, guys, all media people that were going to
RT and going that's where real information is coming from and why because it was
being sold to us that way, And you and I both personally worked with
the new people and new people that were related to people bull of course,
I'm specifically calling you out there because you've been friends with Robbie Martin quite a
while, and Abby Martin of course kind of made you made made viral video
out of her interaction with certain agencies. Okay, I'm not going to get
deep into that story because I don't want to derail too much where where we're
going to go in the meat of the discussion once again. But it's interesting
because at that time I was noting to you, even privately, that look,
man, this is very weird. Okay, this is Russian government media.
It's run and yes they're letting some of US Americans say some things on
there and their English services, but quite frankly, this is a Russian government
media outlet. Why is it that nobody is making that calculus ensure They're allowing
the convenient parts of the truth to come out that serve their geopolitical interests as
far as spheres of influence go throughout the world, to be served in English
by guess what, people that are already oriented to being American dissonance. Why
get Russian people and try and prop them up and teach them to speak English.
When you have a ready made set of individuals you can recruit for fairly
cheap, okay or nothing sometimes to come on and be on these outlets.
Now I'm not trying it. Now, I'm getting dangerously close to insulting maybe
Pierce, because Pierce had made many appearances on stuff like Sputnik and things like
that. Yeah, I was on fault Lines numerous times, and and and
those were probably back when oh god, what's his name? Lee Stranahan was
still on and people Lee Stranahan was like one of the original guys that were
for Breitbart, And he's kind of a nut, but I sort of like
love I love his energy. I don't know what he's up there now,
but I found LYE Camp really interesting. And it used to be on my
show all the time Lee Camp, and it was like, Wow, he's
a famous big comedian. I'm like, he's not that big, but he
is funny. I like him, and okay, he's on OURT whatever.
I don't think Lee Camp thinks he knows exactly what purpose he's serving. And
I even brought it up to him on this show. I think he got
a little unhappy with me about it. But I was trying to say all
along that this is a giant pr campaign and what was underneath it. Well,
at the time Obama was in office, and I know you remember this
stuff. I'm gonna be ticking all kinds of memory boxes here for you,
and trust me, guys, we are going to get back to the meat
of the discussion. Okay, I'm just off roading for a minute here.
The thing is that you know, Michelle Obama is a man. That video
was out there Barack Obama instead of you. Before Q, we had the
various conspiracy theories that would circulate among people like myself, like Pierce, like
all of our little friendlies that we were starting to get to know, and
universally it would get delivered. Now, this stuff was not done through our
t but it was being done online by allegedly independent operators who were showing us
you know videos Michelle Obama as a man. How did they do it?
They were doing measurements on her hands and showing pictures. Yeah, here's your
ears, here's the dimensions of a man versus a woman. Oh, here's
a dress. And oh, by the way, doesn't that look like,
you know, a three piece set there and you know, coming sticking through
a dress, et cetera, et cetera. It's actually Michael Obama. Blah
blah blah. Why because it was to you know, sort of in a
way cast rate Barack Obama. Okay, it was in a way to emasculate
him. It was in a way to make him lesser. Why because he
was supposed to be the weak comy liberal, wishy washy. He's he's so
weak and all that he's a woman. I mean, that's really what it
comes down to. And then what was going on simultaneously, peers, can
you tell me on the other side of things, on the above boards and
in the silent propaganda world? What was going on? And by silent propaganda,
I mean these people that do all of a sudden have lots of money
and time and resources all of a sudden out of nowhere to be able to
go ahead and make lots of films and things like this and produce stuff that
like I never have the money to make because I don't make money. You
know, people that have support and access to all kinds of people, why
do they have that so they can go and talk about what a manly man
and a great and strong leader Vladimir Putin is. And they were doing this
back then, and it led to people with independent shows. Some of them,
you know, might have gotten ten listeners, some of them might have
gotten ten thousand listeners. But all the way from the popular to the guy
doing it in his basement who probably his mom was listening to it and he
was trying to get girls he meant to listen to it. Kind of podcasters
out there, we're all saying things like, gee, I almost wish Vladimir
Putin was like the leader of the United States, because at least we'd have
a real man in charge. Well, they tried to do this with Donald
Trump too, which is one of the biggest sissies on the planet. But
he's he's you know, he's got big hands, you know. And you
said, I mean, I don't know if you saw this, Like I
can't remember what the sort of like Toady that is sort of like essentially replaced
Hannity and Tucker Carlson on Fox News at the moment. You know, he's
he's on air live like how you know, it's like you can imagine him
almost like having an erection talking about how sexy Donald Trump looks in his mug
shot. And I'm a man, but that's a that's a damn fine looking
picture of him. It's it's it's like the level two winch. And you
know, it took as you were talking about all this with the you know,
the rush of stuff and the Obama and you know, going after Michelle
Obama, which is for no other reason than she's a black woman. But
that is, oh no, I have to emasculate Barack Obama. It's not
just because she's a black wall yeah, or exactly to emasculate a guy who
is like who I'm sorry, is objectively a handsome looking person and certainly is
in shape. Is you know, it's like the opposite of any of these
other politicians that we have there. But what I found I found really interesting
and I was gonna say, is like, you know, when we first
got into this, the sort of the creeping weird like Russian and it wasn't
just Russia, but it was me, you know, because there's also like
press TV for a while, the Iranian State Broadcaster, which is even kind
of wackier at times in terms of like the kind of conspiracy a media stuff
that they would they would put on their shows, but you know, that
was sort of in the background, and now it seems to have just kind
of like it's almost like flooded into such a degree that I don't even know
if they are like funding all of these people now. But what I've found
interesting is it's so it's sort of like they kind of flooded the market with
it, or they absorbed all these other people, like come work for Sputnik,
Come work for RT you know whatever. Come here's a million dollars,
start some media company that's gonna fail, but whatever, you can pull in
all these other people and you know, uh, spread whatever right wing talking
points and you know whatever. But now I don't know if you saw this,
but like full full circle, Tucker Carlson, who does he have on
X his Twitter show? I don't know anyone watches that guy Larry Sinclair,
who we is this guy who like, way back in the day, claimed
that he like smoked crack with Obama and had sex with him and performed oral
sex on him. This is who like Chucker Carlson has on like this is
his big guest. He's like, you know, and and so he's got
Larry Sinclair right on one side, which is like, talk about irrelevant after
that happened. But it's rum bud that listen. That X thing is doing
well for Tucker Carlson, though he's probably got better reach on X than he
had on Fox. You know that right way. I mean, I feel
like he s demographics. Look, look, Pierce, I'm sorry to cut
you off, but I'm gonna bring us back to the back to the core
of this real quick. But before I do, it's actually a huge upgrade
for Tucker Carlson. I accepted probably the paycheck. The paycheck was better through
Rupert Murdoch. Okay, but here's the thing, He's got a better reach
and his demographics. It's not a bunch of old people watching Fox News anymore.
Okay. It's not just those people that are so dedicated to the right
wing talking points that they're paying for Fox Nation. Oh no, this is
now open, and I guarantee you the demographic shift that has gone on there
is a huge improvement for Tucker Carlson, who probably and not probably I know
has enough money doesn't actually need the paycheck because he's a part of the Swanson
TV Dinners inheritance I think, or whatever it was, some company like that.
I forget somebody looking up. But the point is he's got money built
in. He made plenty of money as a star on the Fox Network for
a long time before they dismissed him. And here's the thing. Eventually he's
gonna be able to cash in big on this. There is gonna be a
big back end cash in for him, Okay, and he's absolutely being supported
by Elon Musk, who is also Yeah, I mean Elon Musk has made
an extra fortune outside of his family's pre existing family fortune, which you know
as self made man. Yeah, I'm sure all of us have plenty of
gems in our closets. We can go cash in to be able to start
up and get enough money to go buy into PayPal. Yeah, of course
we can all do that anyway. You know, I can sit down with
Peter Teel anytime I want. All I gotta do is cash out anyhow.
The thing is he's in a perfect and privileged position. He's gonna do just
fine. And it's wild to see that he's got everybody from Donald Trump to
that guy well and just quickly because it just made me think of that the
going after Obama. It's like Tucker Carlson is still following that script. You
know, It's like, oh, Obama's is gay and he smoked crap.
I mean, he's hasn't even been in office and how long. This is
so irrelevant. But the other, the other big uh guess I saw that
he had on is the the Prime Minister of Hungary, Victor Orbon right,
it's very close with Russia. And and how does Sucker Carlson, you know,
he what is how was he he's talking about with Victor orbon It's it's
the threat of the US in the Ukraine now, which again yeah, sure
fine, like yes we are there, we are certainly if I was Victor
Orbanner, if I was Russia, I would feel that's a threat. But
it's it's fascinating to me that that's the I mean, it feels like it's
it's happening all over again, Like what you were describing happening to us all
those years back. It's like it's happening again, only now it's like it's
Tucker on X. You know, it's like this is the and I mean,
I know that we've we've talked about this before this, this notion of
Tucker Carlson sort of you know, reinventing himself as some sort of like all
media personality and he kind of dips into you know, different. I mean,
it's a beautiful thing. He did it even before his departure from Fox
and was starting to hint at it where a whole bunch of these allegedly all
media people were starting to go, hey, Tucker Crosson just admitted that the
CIA was behind JFK's assassination. I mean, people brought that to me,
you know, seconds after it aired. Yeah, you know, and Tucker
Crosson talked about the aliens nobody else is talking about, but oh my god,
and I went, yeah, of course, you know what he's doing.
He's preparing. He's preparing for a shift here guys, watch asn't And
you know, you and I talked about this and he made that transition.
Now, by the way, Pierce, I don't know if you're aware of
this, but I mean you could right now if you felt, I could
go to your Twitter app and set up a Twitter space and create something that's
like a live broadcast podcast and then all you got to do is figure out
how to record it. I don't know that end of it, but you
can do it with Twitter spaces. Now, Musk, the only thing he's
done positive for the platform is made a whole bunch of tools available. Uh,
you know that that could have been available. And believe it or not,
X is going to become something a lot larger here in the very near
future. We already know. It's a large media platform that people get to
interact on. It's one of the more popular social media blah blah blah blah
blah. But I'm telling you right now that not only is he starting to
make more money off of it, which he lost a bunch to begin with,
because that's what Musk is best at, is losing lots of money.
I mean, all he's now got to do is figure out how he can
get the government to subsidize it and he'll have himself another tesla that he can
pump and dump stock for. But anyway, okay, because you know that's
all that is. That's you know, your your tax dollars people, all
those wonderful government repays. And trust me, he was getting uh whatever you
call those relief checks for a long long time. You want to talk about
the true welfare queen, there is a corporate government welfare queen that is living
off of it, and supposedly everybody takes him as the most independent you know
Maverick businessman. Ever, I don't give a crap. Uh, look at
the reality of the situation. You know, the guy says, I'm a
self bi You always got to look at it and and start to look in
the opposite direct. He is he is now. I mean, it makes
you wonder. I know, I was just talking about like oceans, he
conspiracies everywhere, But it makes you wonder, is he just the new sort
of cipher for whatever Russian or or or or you know, it's like he
is now It's like, okay, you used to be Russia, right,
yea. That was like where he had to draw the line. Now it's
it's Elon Musk. Are you with Elon Musk? Are you against him?
Well? Do you think he's gonna defeat you know, the liberals and free
up the internet. Well, he is the free speech, don't you know
that? He is for speech. Yeah, he's for free speech so much
that a whole bunch of people who got themselves banned under the old regime have
still not been restored. The majority of them have not been restored. But
also, come on, this guy's for free speech. He's for free speech
when it's convenient for him. See, it's the same thing as getting that
job at RT or getting that job at Sputnik, which a lot of people
did. And I don't blame a man earn your money if that's you know,
if you can live with what it is you're being positioned to say,
go right ahead. I mean, I you know, sort of like to
loosely paraphrase a mob movie. Makes no difference to me how man earns a
living. Okay, but I'm just saying I think I'm going a little Godfather
Part one there. But look, the thing is this, you know,
but the whole process is still the same. Now it's a different platform.
There's expansive stuff. Everybody and their mother's got a podcast anymore because they think
they're interesting. Even if they're not. They have no delivery, no essence,
and yeah, they can do it in fifteen minutes, and they bring
on twenty other people to sit there and discuss things. I don't blame them
because it seems to have been a successful pattern. But here's the funny part.
To me, Russia is now a different issue. They keep switching it
around. It's a different issue. You do realize that because if you have
to take a side on the conflict in Ukraine, and it must be definitive,
because here's the thing. If you are on the side of Vladimir Putin's
a good guy, he's doing the right thing. He's defending his people.
If you're on that side, okay, you are against the other side,
which is well, Ukraine is being picked on by a larger nation. This
is unfair and it's a fabricated reason for this conflict, etc. Nobody cares
about all the people that are getting killed in the crossfire, who never entered
into this conversation. We're not neo Nazis, we're not Russian speakers. Although
quite frankly, throughout Ukraine, the way that I've been informed, people spoke
Russian sometimes and some of them spoke Ukraine Ukrainian. It's not a relevant thing
that there were just these Russian ethno Russian people that were being picked on and
all that. And we were even misled about crimea way back when when that
was annexed, and quite frankly, everybody sort of said, well, look,
those people want to kind of join Russia. Leave it alone. I
feel as though I inaccurately reported that now, because that's not the way it
actually looks on the ground, but the propaganda made it such, through urt,
through everything else, that that was the alternative way to look at it.
Now. The typical you know, lamestream, the corporate American media was
telling you, oh, this is absolutely terrible because what Russia is terrible pretty
much, and they were leaning back into the old Cold War kind of idealism.
Look judged them just like you did the Soviet Union. There's still a
boogeyman, matter of fact, instead of Lenin or you know, or Breznev,
or of god, who was the other guy there, doesn't matter whoever
the great leader was of the Communist Block, any of those guys who were
leaders during the communist Soviet days. Just look at put in the same way.
That's it. That is stupid and ignorant, but it is also stupid
and ignorant to sit there and assume that Vladimir Putin's telling you the truth.
Look, I had to go in there and defend these people that are being
attacked by Ukrainians who have Neo Nazis all over the place. There was this
unit that's true, that did exist blah blah, but didn't run the government.
No. Well see now we got another guy. You know, look
at these people. They elected a guy who was just a reality TV idiot,
and the irony of that one. I mean, granted Trump never attempted
to play a piano with his penis, but I think he wouldn't have been
able to hit a note if he did, because those hands are small.
Regardless of what people say anyways, the thing is that it's it's it's almost
irrelevant. It is a clown show. But unfortunately the reality and the thing
that I good by and allowed people to come on my network and talk about
and everything else when I'm in charge of the content. Now, not every
show host I had agreed with this, but I was saying, why should
people be getting killed? This place is not a big place. I don't
think it has you know, eight thousand freaking chemical weapons labs. I don't
think it has every neo Nazi on the planet going through it, although I
am quite aware of the one place where they did used to use it.
As you know, one of the multiple rat lines that actually took care of
some of the Nazis post World War two was right there, and it was
under Soviet control at the time. Okay, it was in the land area
that was Ukraine, and Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union. But I
don't judge in for any of that. I think they should be left alone
and allowed to determine their own destinies. I mean, and I think it's
a horrible crime what Putin has done. Now, does that mean that I'm
standing entirely on the same side as the MSMO was like, you know,
just that's all it's about. No, this is a complex issue. But
here's the thing. It's a dividing line me saying what I just said and
showing any sympathy for the Ukrainian people. Okay, uh doesn't fall in line
with people like God. I'm trying to think of this guy's name. He
used to be a big name in the alt media of Jack Blood had him
on his show not long ago. Regarding this, and and I was producing
Jack Show, and I was completely aggravated with it. But but the thing
was, he was one of those very popular at one time on Info war
situation guys, and quite frankly, had ended up getting himself busted soliciting,
uh, you know, an FBI agent who was posing as an underage girl.
I thought it was a man at first, but I got corrected on
that it was a girl. But anyway, he got busted and sentenced.
His name is Scott something. Anyway, I think you know who I'm talking
about. I'm trying to think. I'm not sure it's out of my head,
but I'll look back on it i write it. But I'm just saying.
The thing is that there are people out there that are trying to say,
all right, that you know, pretty much what's going on over there
is justified. Vladimir Putin is in the right, this kind of thing,
okay about all of this, and that is a hugely popular thing in all
media. And in that way, they've hijacked even the anti war people and
said, look, you're against war, you gotta be against you know,
us sending money to Ukraine. But they're really only against us sending money to
Ukraine, you can support the war on the Russian side, so it's not
really an anti war thing. It's just don't support Ukraine. And indeed,
it's perfectly timed. It makes the most sense because frankly, again, in
times of economic trouble here, what is one of the first things most people
turn to as far as trying to cut it. Okay, and I'm speaking
very bluntly about this today because I'm here with my friends, so I can
and it makes it a whole lot easier. And even if I'm going to
say something that he finds offensive or whatever, we're gonna deal with it.
So anyways, all this is going on, that is a huge dividing line,
this Russian thing. Honestly, the people that call themselves you know,
part of the and everybody rejects the term now and now it's even more popular
to sort of bash Alex Jones than it ever was, and all that the
sacred cows have definitely some of them sort of spoiled on the shelf. Okay,
it's happened, but there's certain things that are a standard right now,
and unless you're on the side of Ukraine, is the only bad actor here
and they are meant to be opposed, and you kind of got to be
on the side of Russia. Telling you right now, I've lost money directly.
I lost a good radio job with a network that was like, we're
all about free speech. But they didn't appreciate me bringing on a guy in
Ukraine in the early days of the conflict talking about the actual damage that's being
done to civilians. They didn't want that because all they wanted was the side
of the story that these neo Nazis are being opposed, and they're being opposed
by Vladimi. They're very positive spin there. And look, they were willing
to pay me twelve hundred dollars a week, okay to host a radio show,
but not if I was going to say stuff that went against that part
of the agenda. I had to go now. They claimed that I was
unprofessional and that my performance on radio was not you know, high quality good
radio. So I wasn't a very good talk radio host, according to them,
that's the reason they stripped me away. And now even when their hosts
have unknowingly attempted to book me as a guest, they are told, no,
you cannot have this man on. You had a previous association with the
network. We do not want to put him on air. I can't even
be a guest on this radio station in Australia that again was willing to pay
me at one point. I can't be a guest on any show over there,
and they've sort of told other people not to have me on their platforms
and things too, which is real cute. They had lots of money,
they built a physical place and all that stuff, and magically somebody's put a
good amount of money into there and they're still getting people that I'm even friendly
to to come on over there do shows. Some of them paid, some
of them as guests. Aaron Franz recently did an interview with one of their
people over there, and I'm sure that he won't be invited back because he
mentioned o'celli, he mentioned the network, he mentioned that he broadcasts from me.
I'm pretty sure he just got himself added to the Australian Blacklist, Okay,
but Aaron knew he was going to do that before he went over there,
and he's fine with it. He's happy. And isn't that interesting because
Aaron's been with me now for well, geez, I'm thinking seven years.
Yeah, uh, steadily the only guy who steadily remained Again. Pierce was
here for a bit too. I think about a year were you on the
more I might be off. I don't know. I don't know anyway,
Look, I'm gonna shut up now, but I just want you to recognize
that this is a huge dividing line, very much like that whole Either you're
with Trump because he's the outsider chance at a freedom based candidate, which you
remember that was a straight faced argument in twenty still is for some people.
But in twenty fourteen and in twenty fifteen, well yeah, twenty fifteen legitimately,
But in twenty fifteen and to sixteen, that was the freedom candidate.
That was the guy who was interested in supporting and being on the side of
liberty and free speech, and he was going to do everything from challenge vaccines
to get the truth out about nine to eleven too. Oh, don't worry.
The JFK documents are going to come out because Trump will be there and
he's going to take care of everything. Plus he's gonna get the Clinton's locked
up. Remember, so well, this is a new dividing line. You
have to be on the side of putin because Zewinsky's a New World Order puppet
and he's getting money from the US and he's just a grifter and and that's
all there is to it. There is no other dimension to it. So
you got to take a side and Pierce, You're you're not even aware of
this right now, are you? No? I'm I mean, i'm I'm
I am vaguely aware of Sorry, I mean, it will, It's it
will. That's what it was. You know again, the just when you
were talking there seeing how even if you do sort of remove yourself from it,
right and you kind of were like, oh, I don't want to
be you know, part of this. Nothing has really changed. It's just
a reshuffling. So you know again, it's like it used to be kind
of like r T right, that was like what everyone and sputting, That's
what everybody was like wanted to be on. Now it's sort of like they've
diversified more, like you said him and they're funding all sorts of little outlets.
But now it's sort of like it's it's X and it's Tucker and he's
got all of these like talking points that you know, uh like written for
like like he would fit in at sputneck right now talking about stuff the way
he is. I mean, there's like the and and again that is going
sort of like unnoticed, and just as you were talking there, I just
couldn't help. And I'm gonna try to kind of like shoehorn this in and
and because I know I mentioned UFOs earlier, and and I'm sure some people
in the audience their eyes are sort of like glazing over. But for me,
that was this interesting moment where and I will relate this to what we
were talking about. But with that, it seems more and more now like
there is this like concrete evidence that there is something now what they are who
knows, right, But it does seem like there are more and more people
saying like, no, there is something here, we just don't understand what
it is. And all I saw in the alternative media on this was if
you even entertain it, if you even think about it, if you talk
about it, if you you know, mention anything related to this, you
are some sort of PSI up. You are. You are controlled opposition.
This is all a ploy to distract us from you know, four hundred other
things that are going on. You are a tool of the government of the
state. You know, you are some sort of CIA puppet for even just
being like, oh this, this is sort of interesting. I wonder,
you know, maybe there is something you know, just even thinking about it
right yet at the same time, and that's that's the sort of thing where
it's like you could literally see with your own eyes the reality of a UFO
landing in your backyard, and you are now completely programmed to that's not happening.
That's not real. What is real is you know, Elon Musk is
going to you know, a fight against you know, the powers that be
while he is essentially running the war in U Crane through the use of Starlink
satellites which he has launched into space on his own with you know, and
it's completely sort of privatize the space industry, and is you know, America
the Department of Defense is essentially a client of his when it comes to the
war in Ukraine. And don't forget he gave it to the Ukrainians at first
for free kind of supporting them and then shut him off. Hold on a
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with Pierce Redmond Porkins Policy Review. Look up that phrase. I don't think
there's been new podcasts, but he will probably add this to his feed.
I don't know if there's a Patreon still, but well, there is a
Patreon still, but I don't know if you're actually giving people material there.
I gotta say I'm happy to have you along, and in fact, if
you ever want to investigate or expand into the Twitter spaces and try going the
Tucker Carlson route, I'm here for you, brother. But anyway, you
know, and you would be great competition for Tucker Carlson in my playlist,
but I don't know how it would work out for you. It might be
interesting, though, because you don't have to schedule it nothing. You just
kind of pop on there and say, hey, come on over and listen.
And I might even turn on your microphone so you can talk, which
most people want to hear themselves talk more than anything. So and that is
an interesting thing because, as I have noted recently, the majority of people,
and I've had to learn this the hard way with all the hate mail
I get, people want to hear their prescribed and prejudiced points of view projected
back at them one way or another, whether it's in an audio podcast a
television show. What they want is re affirmation. What they want is to
be acknowledged, to be affirmed again. I have to use that word,
to be legitimized by having somebody tell them the opinion they already had in their
mind, tell them the point of view they already had in their brain.
And indeed, you brought up the Aliens just before we went to break.
You brought up this whole thing, which has been fascinating to me. But
of course I'm an idiot, because you know that's all just meant to be
a distraction. It's just there to throw, you know, red meat to
the dumb dogs because they'll eat it up. And that's all it is,
because it's not the real stuff. If you want the real stuff, we'll
give you the real stuff. We know who it is. But it was
fascinating to see somebody say during a congressional hearing that, hey, you know
what, I'm not going to give you any prooper anything, but I know
stuff, and there's alien bodies and there's alien technologies being reversed, engineered,
etc. I don't think that's ever been said in public on Capitol Hill.
But then again, take a look at the source, sort of like the
Tucker Carlson thing where he goes, hey, look, JFK was probably killed
as a result of something having to do with the CIA. Good Night America.
No proof, no backing it up, even though he had some cool
guests on not too long before that, even one of them my friend and
uh and and people that I'm not sure how I stand with them, but
I know them who are legitimate seekers of truth. On that case, he
didn't give you anything to work with except his broad based statement, as silly
as that is. I might have just lost Pierce on skype. Let's see
if Pierce is back. Oh not sure. I will double check on that.
And if I have to call Pierce back or maybe take another break,
I'm gonna do it. But anyway, let's let's see what happens. Good
God, Pierce, are you're back? No, you're not. I can't
hear you. If you can hear me, I can't hear you. Guys,
I may take a quick break here us to uh yeah, I think
I'm gonna take a quick break here, just to try and pull Pierce back
onto the sky because that's just the way live radio goes. So stick around.
I'll be right back. He was expressed by caller schools there anyone else
who happens again on the air, It's gonna be dot com. Do not
necessarily reply, he used at jelly dot com or Jelly and we are not
responsible. We're getting stupidity, which might be soothe. Thank you. So
you got treated to a little little touch of this and that. Well,
I took a break and re established communication with Porkins. Okay, so if
you're familiar with Star Wars, I'm sure pretty sure Porkins is in formation with
me once again. So We're going to continue on, as I said,
and I'm not going to torture you guys with the reintroduction here. But as
I was saying the alien thing, I found it fascinating that people were saying
these things on Capitol Hill, et cetera, et cetera. Sure, and
I find it interesting the entire topic. Now, is it just a weapon
of mass distraction at this point? Is it just, you know, a
little more of the significant signifying of the method to keep you busy? Maybe?
But is it the divisive issue? I didn't see it as a divisive
issue, the Russian thing. It is indeed a divisive issue. People have
decided not to sponsor me, people have decided to turn against me. And
even in one weird case, despite the fact that I had a couple of
Ukrainian contacts, and I say had because one of them is I'm not sure
where the young man who apparently gave away positions of Russian forces to Ukrainian forces,
who was a guest on this show, was twenty years old. That
gentleman, I'm not sure where he is. Ruslyn. There was a guy
named Ilia who was there, who was also contact of mine in Ukraine.
He has died and was killed as a result of something going on, and
I am unclear about how he was killed. His family has assured me that
he is certainly dead and gone, but they're not willing to talk about anything
right now. And yet a third contact, a guy you guys heard from
on this show a bunch of times who told you about the suffering and the
misery of people on the ground, who is not technically a Ukrainian, not
ethnically, but grew up there, didn't grow up there, excuse me,
didn't grow up there, married a woman there, made his life there,
has had his home taken from several times by Russians acquiring his home. This
guy who was on this show has now decided that I am not enough on
the side of Ukraine, and I am a bad guy because I also allowed
other hosts to be on my network who were clearly on the Putin side of
the agenda. And unfortunately, I mean I just I'm no longer going to
take emails from him or anything, because even though when I thought him and
his family were in trouble and needed a place to go, I told him
that if he could find his way to the US, I would put him
up in my own house. But I'm a bad guy. As per usual,
say a little to the bad guy. But anyway, Emir, I'm
sorry you hate me. I don't hate you. I feel bad for what's
going on for you over there, and I feel terrible about what's happening to
a whole bunch of innocent Ukrainian people. Is everyone in Ukraine innocent? No?
Is everyone in America innocent? No? And in fact, we got
our own neo Nazi problems here, and who knows how much of that was
later funded by people here, and who knows how much of that was being
you know, picked up on and used by people here or from here allegedly.
Anyway, it's a complex issue, and there are many complex issues contained
in there. But the fact that, Pierce, you're still with me.
I haven't put you asleep yet, right, I'm here, Okay, So
we're gonna go a few more minutes. I want to let you get to
all of your thoughts on this, because we were talking Aliens, we were
talking Russia. But isn't it interesting how you got to land on either the
Trump train again or not? Excuse me, I brought that up again,
didn't I? You know you gotta be on que or not. Yes,
recognize the pun. You gotta be big as Joe Biggs or not. Who
just got convicted by the way, you know, they they're not really harping
on the fact that he was part of the Info Wars team, but he
was an independent broadcaster according to Wikipedia. Anyway, that and Tario also got
sentenced. And isn't it interesting how eventually people that are used as informants get
abandoned by those agencies that use them as in performance, you know, both
keepers, you know, stuff like that. Isn't it interesting that that all
goes on? And I'm on the wrong side of that issue as well.
I'm on the wrong side of a lot of stuff. So I'm gonna try
not to take this personally. And I didn't hear any static about the alien
thing, perhaps because I landed on the side that me avoids that static somehow,
I don't know, Maybe because I guess I wasn't definitive about it.
I found it fascinating, I found it interesting. But I find this whole
use of a war where people are going to get killed, where there's going
to be many justifications, whether they are accurate or not, whether they are
factual or not, whether Saddam was going for yellow cake uranium or not,
whether babies were actually thrown out of incubators or not. There's still gonna be
war, and there's still a long term conflict that's gone on in a special
military operation, according to the Russian government, according to Vladimir Putin, according
to his support is in the Russian Orthodox Church. This is the way it
is, and you're supposed to come down on one side or another, right,
Piers, Yeah, I mean apparently, I uh, you know,
I I mean, maybe it was just who I particularly, you know,
who the people I follow when I went on Twitter regarding the Aliens stuff.
But I certainly found and I think by and large, you know, we
both I think, as we were saying earlier, you know, operated in
all media environment where if you were into UFOs and you were in Aliens,
you were kind of like, you know, okay, you you were you
know, it was a different crowd. You know. It was certainly like
that was more like you know, coast to coast late night. Uh this
that you know, that was very different. And now you know, I
think we see it finally shifting into the mainstream, and it is crazy that
we're having a congressional hearing where who and I will say that this guy,
Girsh I think is his name, this whistleblower is talking about reverse engineering.
I genuinely I watched all three hours of the congressional hearing. I tended to
believe that that guy was in fact some sort of plant. You know,
he was saying everything that a lot of like you, you know you follow
you, people want to cheer because that is what they believe. Well,
since you, well, Pierce, let me ask you this this real quick,
just for context. Since you follow more UAP and UFO people, I
mean, you know, depending on what terminology, what the nomenclature is at
the moment, I'm not sure. But either way, since you follow more
of those people, did they not get happy for like the instant that that
started to happen. I mean, didn't they take that as a positive sign
and then maybe go back and say whoa wait a minute, or was it
immediately I know he's a plant? I mean, which way did that?
Oh? No? I think? Well, this is the thing. I
mean, I'm wanting to ask you for yours your dolan for instance, if
you think, yeah, this guy is telling the truth and there are other
people like Leslie Keene, who is a she's a journalist who wrote a lot
of these very you know, prominent articles in The New York Times which were
cited in these congressional hearings. And she seems to be like an actual kind
of like authority and is someone that's like the New York Times is publishing stories
she's writing about UFOs. She's not like someone that's like on like late night
you know, AM radio. She seems to believe this guy so and I
don't know what that means yet. Now the other two individuals, Fraver,
who's a naval commander and Ryan Graves, who I think was an Air Force
pilot, they actually seem really credible and a lot of what they were saying
is like is either based on like they were also two people that had actually
seen UFOs, right, you know, Grush has never seen anything, and
he admitted that, you know, but he's that has all the answers about
we're reverse engineering, maybe we're doing time travel, like you know, all
this sort of out there stuff. But now all the same you know what
again, what that's like kind of the complete kind of like encapsulation of all
of this well, you to be aware. We'll hang on a secondcause you
might not be aware that there are some legitimate efforts going on right now that
parallel this, where there's academic research going on studying the reactions of the national
security state once again to these sorts of anomalies. Larry Hancock, who you
know is a regular guy who's been around with me longer than you you know
and a friend, is actually part of a coalition group of scholars going over
this stuff all the way up to nineteen seventy five. They just submitted a
report, They did a conference all that and talked about the way that,
like say, our military and our intelligence groups are reacting to these things.
And he also did a book called UNIDENTI Find. But it's interesting to me
that a lot of serious study was being brought together about the the brass tacks
of this right around the time that this is happening. And of course there's
more interest because of these, you know, random video drops that you and
I have seen all together over the years. So all of this is happening
all at once, and it seems like the thing that I thought almost anybody
was an avid listener coast to coast or a you know or whatever, any
of those guys, like I'm thinking Clyde Lewis's listeners would be thrilled with this.
I'm thinking Coast to coast listeners got to be thrilled with this. The
old art bell crowd that are some of them older than me by a shot,
would all be thrilled like, oh my, we're actually getting progress here
in disclosure. This is happening. There's serious studies. It's not just you
know, the UFO convention. What do you what do you make of that?
I think they are. I think they do believe that. I don't
know that they would like necessarily like go so far as to say this is
like full on disclosure. But I mean, if you think about it,
it's it's a long way. You're having a congressional hearing talking about this.
You have like even like people like you know, as varied politically as Matt
gets and AOC agreeing on this, and you know, asking like actual hard
hitting questions about this phenomenon, and yet as it's happening, right, and
you've got two real people like if you physically, if you're looking at the
video right, you had Graves on the left, favor on the right,
and then in the middle is this guy who seems a little bit too good
to be true. But again you have two real people who have actually seen
these things, who are credible. I mean, in the in this case
of favor, I mean, no one in the military has said he's a
kuk. They all believe him. They believe this naval commander is telling the
truth that he saw UFOs from not from Earth. You know, there's no
way these are from Earth, you know, and you know. But while
that's happening, you also have this person in the middle who seems to be
kind of spinning this crazy story. So again it's it is and this is
I think very much. This is something that Robbie Graham, who is a
fantastic author who unfortunately I believe is no longer with us, but he wrote
about this in a book called Solar Screen Saucers. But this is a sense
of hyper reality. As it is happening. We are seeing this. This
is real, right, yet at the exact simultaneous time it is unreal because
you have this guy who seems again too good to be true, and I
just found it. It was. It's so fascinating. You you look at
that right and again it becomes down this draw down, this line in the
all media. If you believe any of this, you are you know,
you're a shill. You're you're working, you know, you're you You've fallen
prey to dis info all this stuff while without having any or without having any
like foresight to you know, the historical roots of this, of the conspiracy
community which many of us claim allegiance to, would not exist without people back
in the forties, late forties and fifties who were into ufology, right,
you know, I mean that is the roots of all of this, is
before JFK, before any of these other uh you know topics that we all
seem to glaumanto. It all it was together, you know, Yeah,
it all came together at a crossroads. We like to call Bill Cooper,
for God's sake, because he was into the UFO thing and also about patriotism
and also about JFK. And so think about that. That's the first real
concoction. That's the first cocktail, if you will, of it all together.
May Brussel and uh and and Bill Cooper from two opposite sides of the
spectrum, which, by the way, as we're speaking, one of the
popular Twitter spaces because I went over to look and repost your Twitter stuff,
but I just happened to pop up because I'm keeping track of this now.
One of the most popular things is this debate on the Ukraine War, which
is really interesting that that's happening like right now as we speak, and it's
picking up steam and got hundreds of listeners over there, which is pretty interesting
on a Twitter space. But anyway, I just wanted to point that out.
I don't want you guys to tune out to it. I'm sure it'll
be available somewhere because these people think they're more than fascinating. So does everybody
with a microphone anymore. And spoiler alert, not everybody knows how to operate
a microphone all that well. Anyway, the thing is this is really interesting
in that it's yet another dividing line. It's yet another one of these Look,
you got to pick a side, you know, And I've tried to
say that people are boiling this down to good and evil, which is the
most dangerous thing because if you are on the side of buying into this,
not only you know, are you either a willing or unwilling useful idiot,
but you're on the side of evil. And that's the most weird part of
this. It used to be a debate and opinion. Here's some facts I
have, here's some facts you have, and it was of interest, it
was a point of interest, or it was not. Nowadays, though,
it's become a defining characteristic of who you are, where you stand, and
what you are about as a human being, which is really strange to me.
And I get it. I get it, but I don't want to
get it. This is the way things are going. But what's fascinating here
is believe it or not. It is the same type of reactionary thinking that
is being utilized when it comes to discussing the war in Ukraine. Well,
yeah, that's I mean, so you know, we're again we're we're saying,
uh, you know, we are not believing what we are seeing.
You could have a UFO landing in your backyard. This is all. This
is all a PSI op. Right, This is like the government is after
me because I listened to Chuck Ocelly online, right, so you know,
I'm part of the system now. And when it comes to the war and
again, it's like as I was mentioning before the break, you know,
Oh, Elon Musk, he's going to save us, all right, and
and he's fighting, you know, the globalists while he is running the war
in Ukraine. Every drone strike carried out by the United States government is coordinated
through his Starlink satellites. And in fact, sometimes when Elon Musk doesn't like
a particular target which the Pentagon has to give him the information we want to
bomb this place with a drone, he will shut off the Starlink satellites and
then he'll turn them back on when he decided, Oh, you know,
this is a target that I like, this is a private citizen conducting,
you know, of foreign policy through the use of a private company, you
know, with America as a sort of number two to this, right,
the Pentagon number two to this, So you know, so that that's you
know, again, Elon Musk, He's going to save us all It is
happening in real time, and we are not believing what we are seeing in
the same way that he was we were mentioning before earlier. Oh Putin and
you know and his cohorts they're fighting the Nazis. Well, you know who
was the one of the major groups. I don't think anyone is denying this
that was fighting, uh you know in Ukraine is the Wagner Group. This
is a group named after Richard Wagner's if you know, it's essentially the name
Wagner comes from this guy, Dmitri Utkin, who was like the number two
sort of guy at the Wagner Group and he was a co founder along with
Purgozen. Well, his call sign when when he was in the gru allegedly
was Wagner, not just because he loved Richard Wagner's music, but because Richard
Wagner was an anti Semite. This is a guy who you know, there
are photos of him online where with Nazi tattoos, hes SS tattoos tattooed onto
his like chest where the like lapels would have been in if he was wearing
an SS at you know, uniform. He supposedly like would say hile to
people, you know, he would you would address in a very mocked uh
cap. So this and this guy is going to fight, he's fighting the
Nazis. When you can see with your own eyes that he is in fact
a Nazi. This is the person that is, you know. So it's
like I find all of these things to be like intimately really intimately related,
and I don't think that it's it's and that's why I find so sort of
I don't know, disappointing maybe with people in the alternative media is it's like,
oh, the UFOs, No, that's that's all just a side show
to you know, to cover us to the fact that you know, we're
we're using Nazis in Ukraine and all, you know, and it's it's not.
It's all every you know, it's all the same thing we and and
and and in fact, and I think that you would, you know,
this used to be like more. I think I feel like you would used
to hear this more in the idea maybe before you know, prior to the
sort of infiltration of foreign uh you know, countries into it, where if
you really just take a minute and you look, they're not hiding very much
from us at all. You can clearly see exactly who is fighting in Ukraine
and Russia. They're both Nazis and they're both not Nazis. You know,
you can see exactly what is happening. They are actually pretty upfront about all
of this. You know, no one is like I don't believe that Pergosan
or Ken, we're ever sort of hiding you know why it was named the
Wagner Group. I don't think they were hiding their allegiances, you know,
in the same way, uh that you know, again you can look at
like the congressional inherents with the UFO stuff. I mean, they're not they're
not really hiding this from us. It's actually out in the open. See.
That's the other thing. That's the other thing that's really blatantly interesting to
me is that, you know, you talked about the use of of Musk
turning things off and on. He also was offering the use of that so
that, you know, civilians had internet use so they could make contact with
the outside world. He was allowing Ukraine to use some of his technology in
these stations and all this other stuff to give them relief, right at a
certain point. And he was doing it for free. Now. I know
a lot of his you know, people that that that believe that he's such
a great fighter for free speech and everything, would not be pleased that he
was assisting Ukraine, understand, And that's the thing. Musk is not hiding
this. He is not like there's no obstuscation going on here. He's very
upfront about exactly what he's doing. You know, he is running the drone
war in Ukraine. I don't know quite for whom. I mean again you
talk about free speech. He Taiwan at one point wanted to utilize star Link,
but the Taiwanese government became extremely nervous about switching over their internet service to
Starlink because elon Musk again, the you know, he's fighting you know,
all the globalists in the New World Order. He is so close with China
that Taiwan was terrified that if they made a deal with this and suddenly China
you know, put you know, and Musk wants to build more you know,
batteries in China and mine you know, lithium from Afghanistan and other places.
Well, China would say, well, you know what, maybe you
should shut off star Link in Taiwan, and Musk would just do it because
it's all you know, again, this is all up front, there's nothing,
she's not hiding anything. All this is like right there. For yet
so many people seem to have been I don't know, indoctrinated into not seeing
reality or to see what is real, and to come with the complete opposite,
you know, there are no aliens as the UFOs are landing in your
backyard. Prutent is fighting the Nazis while he is employing literal neo Nazis and
employing a group named after Uh, you know who chose their name not just
because of his music, but because that Richard Wagner was anti Semitic. Uh.
It's right there in front of us. Uh. And in the same
thing, you know, I mean I found that, you know, to
link it back to you know, Tucker Carlson and his show as well.
You know, he in the Trump interview, he go Tucker goes on and
on about like, well, what about Bill barr On and Epstein? You
know what I mean, do you really think Epstein? You know, I
think there's something there. I don't think he I don't think he killed himself.
He's talking to the guy who probably ordered it. You know, He's
he's asking, well, you know, I think Bill barr Is is up
to something, and he's lying about all this stuff. Well, Bill barr
was only lying because Trump probably asked him too. This is the one guy
that had the most to gain from him, you know, dying, and
he's sitting across from this person and then he even he just lets it completely
slip by where Trump is like, yeah, I mean, you know,
it could have been something, but no, I think he just killed himself.
It took her cars, and just oh, okay, all right on
the next Oh, you want to what do you want to talk about?
The Panama Canal and the mosquitoes and you know how many you know, the
Seven Wonders of the world. All this is like complete utter nonsense. And
then again, you know, Trump will ramble on about in the Panama Canal
and you know, all this stuff, and it just we just accepted,
Yeah, that's it. That's real. Him talking about, you know,
the Seven Wonders of the world and bringing in the Panama Canal and and talking
about you know, well he made it, you know, seven wonders and
all this stuff. And I don't know who this magical heat that he's referring
to that we'll all just say, yeah, that's completely true. But when
he is obviously lying about probably, if not ordering the murder, certainly sanctioning
the murder of a person that was clearly you know, I mean, if
he was killed in that manner, it's because they were afraid of him talking.
This is not you know, and then again the same This is the
same person who's wishing Gillane well, but he's fighting the you know the And
it's funny because I even it even seems like Tucker Carlson is falling prey to
this. You know, Tucker Carlson is asking Donald Trump why his own attorney
general was like lying and doing all this stuff. So, you know,
best case scenario, Trump has no control over the people in his own cabinet
and apparently Bill Barr is able to just order hits. At worst, Trump
is involved in it. But to Tucker Carlson, Daddy can't have done that.
I'm not gonna believe what I'm seeing in front of me. I'm not
going to believe that I'm sitting across from the guy who had a lot to
gain from this person being silist. So you know, again it is the
UFO is landing in Tucker Carlson's lap, and he's no, that's not happening,
that's not real. You know, I'm not I'm not gonna believe it.
And yeah, it just it just seems like it's it is now happening
at such a degree, and it's so funny to again, as I say,
you log on and you see all these people in the all media,
people that I like and I and I you know, have supported and stuff
to be so dismissive of, Like, well, no, I mean,
if you believe in UFOs, you're you're either you know, you're a willing
fool or or you know, worst case, you're actually you're in on it.
You're part of that. You're a disinfo agent. You're infiltrating as you're
trying to to to distract us from all the you know, from the Nazis
and this and that, and it's it's it just it boggles my mind.
Well, eventually all of that which you just discussed gets turned into well,
you must be siding with the pedophiles, you know that. It's like,
yeah, exactly, you're exactly you're on the side of the pedophiles because you
disagree. Like that's where it goes. Ultimately. I know there's a few
steps I skipped there, but I'm sure I'm telling you it doesn't take ultimate
yeah exactly, because there's no yeah it will, and because it just completely
shuts it down. No one wants to be like, you know, pro
pro pedo, right, Like, no one's gonna be like well, no,
no, I mean that's not quite it. You know, who in
their right mind is gonna come I mean, look, listen, I mean
you, you and I. You and I have a little disagreement about O.
J. Simpson, Okay, But the thing is, I'm pretty sure
he's guilty. And by the way, I found it hysterical what happened with
one of the guys who was talking about the different footprints and everything else recently
being taken to court. I think you and I talked about it. Maybe
not there too ago anyway, Henry Lee, right, it's it's very interesting,
and you and I can disagree about that case. But here's the funny
part. You could find people that will say, wow, I think Oja
was innocent. You can find people that will say I think Oja was guilty
as hell. But tell me somebody, anybody that you're gonna find unless you
know you're you're, you're, you're trading, I don't know, KP with
them, all right, what the hell, And tell me somebody you're gonna
find He's like, no, I think Epstein was probably a good guy.
He was probably innocent. Find me somebody who does that. You won't.
But but the weird thing is they will use that weapon. They'll use all
the weapons. And even in the culture wars, right, it's like if
you don't show absolute fealty to the ideals of the circumstance, if you're not
all the way on one side. I mean, I've even had people come
at me about you know, they assumed for some reason that I was absolutely
on the pro life agenda. I don't know where they got that from,
but I'm not. I'm not comfortable with abortion and things like this. But
again, I'm not on the pro life side where you know, I'm agreeing
with the heartbeat bills and all this. All right, never been there,
never ever been there, But somehow people expect that. Here's the thing,
though, is they'll turn that opinion that stands into you're with the new world
order. They'll turn that. And that's the oddity of this, of this
circumstance. Now, this is the way it is. You go like,
literally, I think of the old expression you're in for a penny, you're
in for a pound. You know, It's like that's all there is to
it. They have created a sifting mechanism that has It's not organic. I'm
certain somebody designed it and I don't think any of us saw it coming to
where you have to wind up being eventually sorted into one of two categories.
And depending on who it is you're dealing with, you could be seen as
the great evil or as part of the great good. But there's no in
between. There's no ambiguity at all. There's no Well, maybe you have
a mixture of us, maybe you don't quite fit in one of these two
boxes. Oh hell no. You are either on the side of the pedophile
New World Order completely wanting to control you communists, that's the negative connotation on
the one side, Or you're over here with these wacko liberals that want to
destroy humanity and everything else because they are just as anti humanist as anything that's
ever been on the planet, and they've always been here too. So either
you're a lizard people or you're the other lizard people. There's nothing else.
Unless you're on their side, then you're okay. And again, just swap
the labels around. It works. That's all there is to it anymore,
is good and evil. So when you see extreme actions, when you see
violence committed, I have sympathy for some of those people committing those violent acts
and you know why, because if they are thoroughly convinced that they're fighting the
devil, fighting the Satan, fighting the darkness, fighting the unspeakable, fighting
chronos in the underworld, whatever, if they're fighting the ultimate darkness, how
can you have expectations that they won't use any means necessary if that's truly what
they believe. Now, whether it makes any sense or not, and whether
it's more than just an emotional plea, and whether it's just well, I
have to put Vladimir Putin on the side of good because he's out there speaking
about proper morals. Then that has been pointed to me. Whether you have
to put it on the other side that well, you know, this guy,
regardless of whether he was a reality TV star, comedian, played a
piano with his penis, he is a freedom fighter. And that's all there
is to it. Uh, you don't side one way or the other depending
on who you're talking to. You have just wandered into the pedo evil,
New World Order, globalist controller or Nazi controller, depending on who it is.
And a lot of these people don't even would have no idea why Wagner
has always been connected to what would be very, very totalitarian thinking. It
was always a favorite thing. It makes perfect sense that that's what you would
call it. It makes perfect sense. Oh, by the way, Wagoner
kind of sounds like that too. And we never got back to the chef
and the fact that, well, you know, maybe he's dead. Maybe
he's not. Now that's a new thing. Even though the plane crashed and
oh, don't be suspect to Putin or anything. He's probably not even dead.
See that's where even that it's right, it's like this is this is
your guy, right Putin? Is that you know you don't cross him because
look what's gonna happen, right, Yeah, but you can't pain him that
way. He's blowing up is Percosan's jet just a you know, spitting distance
from one of Putin's, you know, Dasha's. But at the same time,
it's no, it couldn't be. There's one one final thing, and
this might be maybe I'm opening up a big can of worms, and I'm
sure it might offend some people, but we're gonna close. We're gonna close
on your big can of worms, just to say that, to meet just
all of what we were talking about here. And again, maybe I'm I'm
stretching it. But to me, it's like, you look at that,
and then what are we getting politically? This this cycle, that's a big
thing. Robert F. Kennedy Junior, who is simultaneously seems to be the
most ardent, hardcore supporter of Israel, so much so that I mean he
genuinely some of his statements. It's like there is literally like Israel could be
you know, they could be going you know, house by house murder during
Palestinians and he would still be like, well, they're the only democracy in
the Middle East. While at the same time he clearly appears, whether he's
fully aware of it or not, it seems to be dog whistling to neo
Nazis, like giving like direct, like weird references, like you know,
more so than even like Trump with the weird qan on tweets. And yet
you again, you have people on both sides of that argument seeing only what
they want to see and believing that no, this is this is the guy,
this is our guy. Here's here's a weird thing. Dude. I
feel really good about him, except I do know that there's some strange things
here, like some of the people that have gone into his organizations, environmental
views, and guess what the thing you're talking about the support of Israel,
which I didn't even get into on my show. Yet these things bother me
about him. But other than that, I gotta say, I don't feel
like anybody's out a leash on him. I think this is his his concoction.
I think so too, And I mean, to me, that's what
I find that almost more terrifying that sometimes I think he is so deep into
this sort of world that we've been talking about now for nearly two hours,
that he is both a supporter of Israel but also is like, you know,
thinks that COVID is only targeting Jews, and I think that to him,
he sees no difference between them in much the same way that people are
like, no, no, Putin is fighting the Nazis while he's employing the
Nazis. You know. It's it's like, and I think for a lot
of people, it's like I think I think that, you know, the
more rational of them, it just comes down to like, well, I
don't care, they're my Nazis. You know. It's okay, That's that's
not how I come down. But I'm just saying that I think he's actually
not unlike everybody else that's being presented out there. He's not just an agent
working on somebody else's behalf. That's the only that is the only definitive,
clear thing I can say. And I feel good about him, I really
do. I almost one of that freaks me out a bit, is like
the Roger Stone stuff with him, you know, because it's like it just
it feels very much like and I just don't know how much. Again,
I don't know if he is fully aware, but I think that there are
a lot of people that are trying to cozy update him in a weird way.
And I mean, full disclosure, I don't really like rfk JR.
I think he's a bit I think again, I find he embodies too much
of this like Messiah complex with people in the art media, you know.
But but anyway, to me, I just feel like it's just another example
of that where it can you know, and he is linking people on both
sides of that particular argument, and that to me is just it just it
feels very kind of reminiscent of what we're talking about here, where again,
you will see what you want to see, and that's generally not what is
the reality of it. Well, I'm actually hoping to interview him at some
point and ask him a couple of questions that I think will be really interesting.
And I know some other people have gotten interview him. I was a
little surprised by it, but I'm just telling you that. You see,
here's the thing, though, you and I can still be friends and maybe
even disagree on something like this, which is weird. And look, I'm
not saying that you're entirely wrong either, because it's not like I haven't been
broadsided in the past by something deceiving me. We all have. Anybody you
know who claims to always see everything coming is lying to you if they've been
alive the past twenty years. I doubt anybody has clocked it all all the
way way ahead of time. It has never been that way. Okay,
we've all gotten deceived because it's a very deceptive world. Pierce. I mean,
would you agree to that? Oh yeah, entirely. I mean,
yeah, exactly. I think that that's you know, that's again, that's
what we've been talking about exactly. So I mean, this is how easy
it is, exactly. So here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna let
you go because I've already kept you for way long enough. But I hope
that you and I will get together again in the very near future and discuss
some more of this. And we didn't even get to progrosion as much as
I wanted to. Maybe if we get you back in a week or two,
we could go over at some more. I'm sure there's gonna be more
claims that he's still alive by then, and who knows where else the rest
of that story is gonna go. Because there's something very valuable that needs to
be broken down here and I haven't been able to get to it with anybody
yet, but I think I might be able to with Porkins because he's really
good at analyzing these things. And again, I think we'll have an interesting
discussion next time around. But what do you think? Is there anything you
want to add here? Or I mean, I know you're not doing any
projects outside of popping up with me once in a while, and this was
longer than the hour we planned, but what the hell here we are?
Any thoughts? Oh? Yeah, just said you know, I really enjoyed
this, Chuck, and it's been a lot of the stuff that I talked
about tonight with stuff that's been kind of brewing in my head. So it's
great to have an outlet such as the Achilli Effect UH, to to discuss
these sort of things and to bring them up and to not be afraid again
to to disagree, because there is not nearly enough disagreement when it comes to
UH, you know, all media and UH and and and the freedom to
like express stuff that doesn't fall completely into well you have to check this box
or that box, and if you don't check this box, you're against me.
So yeah, I just that and then yeah, and just so I
would just say, if you know, next time, maybe keep an eye
out. There's a there was a coup recently in Gabon in Africa, and
there just seems to be more and more of these cups. And I don't
think they're all necessarily related to Progozan, but it just is interesting to me
the amount of cous going on, the fact that many of these like leaders
are are aligning themselves with Russia. Whether that's because they like Wagner or they
like Putin, I'm not sure, but I think that it's something that we're
going to see in the next couple of weeks more developments on that. Yeah,
there was a lot of independent service going on there through Progojians group,
right, And the fact is that he was definitely well involved with a bunch
of the I guess you could call it jeez, what what should you call
it? But look the independent operators that went in there and ran security for
various things. It just so happens they're they're in good proximity to a whole
bunch of unrest regarding these different governments. And you wonder what the design is
because as per usual on the global stage, no matter if it's corporate or
independent, nobody's covering Africa properly. So we don't know entirely everything that's happening
there. And I gotta say it is key. It is going to be
about the resources, and it is going to be about the future. And
I still say that at some point if we are going to see a serious
launch at World War three, unless there is you know, serious like all
of a sudden unexpected nuclear exchanges, which people have teased at over this Ukrainians
many times. Unless it's something like that, I do believe it'll still get
lit off straight from the continent. Of Africa. I stand by that.
I've said that for many years, but who knows who's gonna stumble into that,
and with are currently inept and seemingly next to be an ept administration gonna
come in as far as the US goes, all I can say is stay
tuned on that. Anyway, we'll have Porkin's back real soon, guys,
and hopefully you enjoyed this. So no matter who you are, where you
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