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Glad to have you along, no matter

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who you are, where you are, when you are. I have an

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old friend with me tonight, as
as I have a few times recently,

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and I think it's been about a
month, but that's okay. We don't

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have a regular schedule with this guy
anymore, but we used to have a

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couple of regular schedules with them,
and in fact I might ask a question

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of them to get this whole conversation
started before we get into the meat of

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the discussion, as it were.
And I hope you guys are ready for

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this one, because yeah, we're
gonna wind up talking a little bit about

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some of the stuff that might be
tied to the Ukraine War. And I

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always get myself in trouble when I
bring that up, especially because now there's

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even more talk about neo Nazis and
who's who and everything else over there,

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and lots of people are repeating all
sorts of Russian talking points out there and

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not really knowing what's going on,
and others that just want to blindly support

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it because after all, Bidenomics is
working for them. Right anyway, I

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don't know who they are. I
don't know who in America is doing well

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at the moment. I hope my
friend Pierce Redmond Porkin's policy review. You

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might have heard of that before.
You should have. Anyway, I'm gonna

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take us all the way back to
the beginning of when I actually met Pierce

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at some point during this conversation,
and then we're gonna jump to today and

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talk about our friend, our friend, not our friend, not really our

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friend at all, this interesting character
we've been confronted with the chef himself who

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was running the Wagoner group, because
even though he's supposedly dead, there might

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be more to it. Anyways,
Pierce Redmond, First off, man,

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how you doing tonight? I'm doing
I'm doing well, Chuck, excuse me

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a little tired, mainly because of
the heat wave that I assume you're also

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experiencing. It was about ninety five
ninety six degrees today, So if I

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sound a little I sent a little
uh sort of sun kiss, that is

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why. But I do. I
have a beer next to me, So

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hopefully we'll be able to talk about
the Wagner group and whether or not for

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Goosen is alive tucked away somewhere fair
enough. Look, ninety five degrees in

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Georgia, Pierce, I hate to
tell you, that's like a normal occurrence.

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It's like spring weather here, man, what's wrong with you? Ninety

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five? You're complaining about heat?
And I know you know No, I've

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been confronted recently one hundred and fifteen
degree heat indexes here in the one and

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it ain't a dry heat like in
Arizona, where I think they had one

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hundred and twenty five or some kind
of record breaking nonsense recently. Gee,

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I wonder if things are getting hotter. They appear to be anyway, breaking

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records ever since they've been keeping those
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climate is changing. But I do
know the damn well the weather is.

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Yeah, I know, I feel
like we've talked about it before, but

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it's like, yeah, whatever you
believe, it's like you have to understand,

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like you can't sort of disbelieve that
it is just getting way hotter,

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that something is going on. There's
something wrong, whether you know, without

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getting into the science of it.
Yeah, it's disturbing. It also just

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sucks. Like even if you are
you know, just hardcore, you know,

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right wing, I'm gonna drive a
giant SUV. I don't care,

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nothing matters. Your summer is sort
of screwed by the cheat, but there's

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something there's something fun to do anymore. Yeah, all you have to and

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also your electric bill. It's just
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like those sort of like the kind
of like basic level. I just don't

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know why anyone would would be like, I'm not gonna do anything about this.

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Even if you're old enough and white
enough to remember fond this is not

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fun to do. Okays, just
say that was a thing in the Northeast.

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I don't know if that was everywhere, but there was like literally fond

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due that used to be a thing. I always think of that, especially

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because of that South Park episode with
the cat urine where they go. They

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call it cheesing because it's fun to
do. I was like, wow,

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that's hilarious, and it sounds like
every other drug craze they bring out that

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usually doesn't turn into a drug craze. You ever notice they roll out drug

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crazes and it's never the big headline
ones they tell you and your kids are

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doing this. They might be for
a minute, but it goes away pretty

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quick. The thing that actually poisons
the entirety of the society is usually not

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spoken about on TV. Oh,
actually it is, but it's actually advertised

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to you directly because it's legal,
you know, like we have the newest

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pain killer. Yes we do.
Uh. And they did just you know,

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drink more bud light or that or
you know what. Now we're putting

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drugs in your drinks of some kind, whether it comes from a bull urine

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or whatever. That was another weird
thing. What is that tetrazine or uh

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something. It was in the energy
drinks for a bit and they were like,

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I don't know it comes from or
something whatever it was, Hey,

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look drink this. Uh. Anyway, we've gotten strange real quick. I

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want to go into a little personal
thing about you and me real fast,

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because I was thinking about this the
other day because somebody was telling me what

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a terrible human being I am after
I produced their show for a little while,

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and I just I thought back to
who didn't leave the network like pissed

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off at me? And you did. You left the network, and you

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were not angry at me, as
I remember. You just decided, look,

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I don't have time to dedicate myself
to the once a week show,

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so I'm not going to do it
anymore. But you came on here after

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you had a show with American Freedom
Radio, and you had been doing a

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podcast previous to any of that,
but you stopped doing your live shows on

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a regular schedule, and nowadays I
don't think you actually are putting out regular

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porkins policy podcasts either, right,
because life has sort of gotten in the

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way. Am I correct about that? That is correct? Yeah? This

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is This is the normal podcast is
the infrequent conversations that we have right now.

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Like basically, you don't even do
yours anymore, but once in a

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while you show up with me and
we have a little chat. And that's

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where you stand. Because your your
life has taken different directions. You're a

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little younger than me, and you
just got married recently. I mean as

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recently as within a few months,
right December second, So we're kind of

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coming up on the anniversary. Yeah, we'll get there. After I go

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to Dallas. You'll be having your
one year anniversary. But anyway, this

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thing is all of this coming up. I was just thinking to myself,

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you had left the network and you
didn't. It wasn't because I was a

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big jerk or anything. It was
just that you had other things to do.

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And uh and and previous to that, I had actually a sort of

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gotten you started over at Afar when
pretty much Danny Romero was grabbing anybody who

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had been a guest on my show
that sounded like they could talk, and

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seeing if they wanted a podcast,
which was an interesting thing that went on

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over there. Some people were doing
podcasts, some people were not. And

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then he was like, hey,
you want to do live radio, and

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he did that to everybody. Ed
Opperman got on over there, You got

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on over there, a whole bunch
of different people that had been guests on

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my show, Terry Joyce, whatever, Right, Okay, So I was

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thinking about that and thinking to myself, you know, if Pierce ever one

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an event about how hard it is
for me to work with me. I

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figured i'd let you right now,
So tell people the terrible things about me.

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Go ahead. Oh I don't,
I don't know. It's just it's

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just a setup. Or say to
somebody say something. No, it's not

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a setup for you. It's a
set. But but here's the thing.

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It's a setup because I just I
wanted to give you a free reign.

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If you wanted to say anything negative
about me, go ahead, I can

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take it. You're my friend.
Oh no, no, I mean,

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I would say. I mean,
I wouldn't. Really, I had no

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negative experiences, even Afar, which
was a little wacky at times, I

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wouldn't even you know, that wasn't
even a bad experience. It was right.

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See. The whole thing is you
and I met because and this I

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don't want I don't want to hit
any sore nerves here. But you were

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working with a lady that was trying
to build a media organization. Uh,

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if you want to mention her,
I don't know, that's up to you.

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Sabell Edmunds. I didn't hit everybody
knows, Okay, no problem,

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Sabell Edmunds. And you know Sabelle
was trying to recruit me at one point

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to do some stuff, and I
don't know, at some point drastically changed

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her mind and hid decided not to. But she had made a couple of

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appearances, and she brought you along
onto my show one day because you were

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part of her putting together what was
that thing called news news Bud news Bud,

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that's it news But you know,
yeah, at the time, we

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were all working for Boiling France Post, right, which was her first website,

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right, And that was like you
and Corbett and her and just a

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bunch of people that I would talk
to on a regular but you got introduced

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to me that way. And I
had never you know, no offense to

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you, but I had never heard
of Porkins. I'd never heard of your

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podcast or anything. It was sort
of like, well, Samelle's bringing this

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person with her. I was okay, fine, uh, And you and

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I just kind of formed this this
odd friendship at a distance, which is

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really funny because I was living in
North Carolina at that time and you're you're

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still in New York. And I
was like, oh, guy from New

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York. Cool. Uh, And
it turned out that you were, you

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know, really more from Brooklyn,
and I had lived in Manhattan, and

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I had lived in Jersey and stuff
like that. So I mean I lived

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in places that you like to go
visit on vacation. It was just there

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were and that's funny. Yeah,
you go every once in a while to

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a little place called Bradley Beach.
Don't anybody stalk him down there? Ye,

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But you go to Bradley Beach,
which is right next to what I

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consider my hometown, a place called
Neptune, right which is in the Asbury

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I always mentioned Asbury Park, but
really my hometown area was like Neptune,

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Neptune City, Asbury Park. It
was like that whole area which is connected

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to Bradley Beaches right there. Uh
it's it's just a chunk of the Jersey

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shore. Anyways, I just found
it interesting. I was thinking you and

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I had formed this friendship. And
I don't think you and I have ever

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had like a fight of falling out. Each of us has been through different

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issues in our personal lives. I've
moved around you. You went from I

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mean, I think you piece did
you did you have in your life when

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you met me? Or did she
come a little later or I don't remember.

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I think I think that Mede was
after because but we met in like

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twenty fifteen. Yea, it would
have been after that, right, Okay,

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So I mean like, but but
you and I have been through different

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things personally, and somehow I've always
maintained a friendship and have never gotten even

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if some of the people we were
working with or whatever went in their different

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directions or had different ideas about each
of us. Right, there were there

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were some people that for a little
while, uh, we're kind of turned

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on you in this weird sort of
way because I forget what it was you

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were chilling for something they were saying. I don't even remember the idiocy of

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it, and I'm going, well, look he's my friend. I know

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who he is, and I don't
really give a friend. But no,

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it was there was some weird thing
with news Bud, But there was also

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just this weird thing that went on
in the ault media world with you,

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where I guess you had sided you
know, I learned the hard way right

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after that, how that works when
you take the wrong side of an issue

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and then people turn on you and
start calling you a fed and everything else.

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But because remember I came out of
that patriot radio kind of thing for

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a minute there, and they all
decided that I was, you know,

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an anti American, non patriot commy
or whatever. But for a little while,

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you know, I mean, I
had live reports from the Bundy Ranch

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and everything. I mean I was. I was definitely in that mix and

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you were coming from a different mix. But at a certain point, your

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your alleged colleagues do turn on you
for one reason or another. Sometimes it's

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personal, sometimes it's just you took
the wrong side of an issue. And

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I remember you took the wrong side
of an issue that I don't remember what

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issue it was, but you took
some side that was just like, oh,

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you're not really alternative media, now, are you. And I just

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remember casting it off and just going, yeah, but I know this guy,

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I know he's not you're saying,
you know, he's some kind of

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plant. Oh you know, And
I'm sure you've heard about me over the

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years, even when we went over
the Wiki Spooks article, which, by

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the way, Wiki Spooks, I'm
still pissed off at you. You have

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me reference there. I'm just a
reference on Pierce's uh well, I don't

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even know who wrote the I mean, actually I do know one of the

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people, this lunatic. Sorry to
throw this guy into the bus. I

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doubt he's listening right now, who
was like editing that page of mine and

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I had asked him multiple times to
take things down. He got information wrong.

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He I mean, I feel like, if I go to it now,

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it's still sort of like super incorrect
about you know, people, people

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I've have had on the show,
people I'm associated with. But yeah,

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that's all just some random guy.
Yeah, it's so funny because I'm on

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that list operamans on that list,
I think, you know. But but

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they got my stuff, they have
me there and I'm like a clickable link

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and it goes nowhere and they don't
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screw you guys at LEAs gonna be
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Anyways, all right, But I'm
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the world turns, and some people
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It's just that simple. I mean, it's just and you will learn

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the hard way if you don't want
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that's how it works. Anyways.
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tonight's discussion, but I did want
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thing happened where again, you know, somebody who was claiming to be my

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friend kind of went on a Twitter
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and I kept saying, well,
why don't you tell people what it

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is I actually did to you that
was so awful, And they really don't

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have anything to say, because I
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trying to work with them. I
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wanted to point that out because I
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to you, and I'm going,
there's a guy who's been around me for

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you know, like here think seven
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and I've only been doing this for
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who came around me like early on
by happenstance because he just you know,

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again, no offense, but you
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Sabel Edmonds one day, yeah,
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hasn't been a problem ever since.
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the same network and then and then
I was producing you briefly. Uh,

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Aaron Franz, did your your artwork
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was really helpful, you know,
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not mine, but like pretty much
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it. But other than that,
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one that was like gray and red
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just trying to you know, put
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of artwork that is still your icon
on Skype, your little like po Yeah,

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that's one Drew which is the original
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I wanted to incorporate that and use
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your thing and and I and I
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that I was just thinking back,
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who like you know, came and
was here for a while and left and

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doesn't hate my gods, which is
nice anyways, well you know what,

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I to that end, I feel
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has sort of like left the you
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like cult of alternative media. It's
very easy to like fall. I

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feel like, looking on it now
as sort of an outsider, it you

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you really start to see like how
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thinking is, and and uh,
you know you you I don't know,

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but you know, back when, I

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think, you know, both of
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that world, and you know,
and it's like, oh, we're you

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know, we're awake. You know, it's like all of this. You

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know, Now, I guess like
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we wos a different thing now,
right, yeah, yeah, but but

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you know, but that was but
that was a thing. Are you awake?

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Is he awake? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? And and there were

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there was a yeah before woke meant
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what it was just another way of
saying awake, you know, and and

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uh, but I think, yeah, you're oh yeah, are you awake?

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Are you you know, are you're
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you're you know what it is.
It's the same mechanism, but hang

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on, it's the same mechanism,
okay, but it's through a different worldview.

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real problems or not? I mean

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that's ultimately what the universal definition is
there. Whether you're woke, you're awake,

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you're enlightened. Uh, you you've
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about have you been uh you know, given the knowledge all of this stuff,

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have you been initiated? I mean
they were using stuff that you know,

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was like very much borrowed from the
Freemasons and all that at a certain

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point, and then we got more
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we're dealing with the NPCs and all
this. I'm okay, but see I

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was unceremoniously invited out. You just
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then suddenly found yourself on the outside, but you willfully walked away. I

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was kind of trying to stay in
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in that stark reality, and I
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would a whole lot happier and more
comfortable just going, oh, I don't

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have to care whether I insulted this
sacred cow. That was another thing too,

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is there were certain sacred cows,
you know, not not just comparing

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Sabel Edmunds to a cow because she's
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a sacred cow in the all media, and so so ish and Jordan Maxwell,

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who I have a lot of respect
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passed away, but he was a
sacred cow. And David Ike was a

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sacred cow amongst certain people, and
even God help us all, Alex Jones

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was a sacred count. Oh yeah, completely, I mean so yeah,

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but there were people like this and
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that I'm so glad I'm invited out
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where there are some segments of this
it's like, oh, no, be

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yourself, but don't do that.
You know, you can't. You can't

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question Alex Jones, what's wrong with
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found that it was and I've noticed
this like recently, like uh, certainly

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with like the Twitter, Like I'm
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it. And if you go to
my Twitter feed, it's like nothing.

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you know, it's like it's also
like you can't you they're the secret counts,

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right, you can't go against them. But at the same time,

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it's like you have to basically accept
everything as ludac Christ as it is.

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sometimes I look at something and I'm
like, is there a conspiracy here,

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you know? Or is this just
like this is just how it is,

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or or it is exactly what it
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case we were you know, we're
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you know, the Russian boss of
the Wagner group, and and there are

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certainly you know, you were sending
me some articles about these uh you know,

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people believing that he's still alive.
This is all you know, it's

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you. You can't ever I found
more and more that like you could not

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look at reality right, and if
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you know, you had taken the
blue pill. You were part of the

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matrix. You know, all of
those all the stupid buzzwords and imagery and

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you know and pejoratives that I have
taken on you know this other meaning you're

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completely part of that world. Then
again to accept reality, you know,

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like as if that's somehow, no, that can't be the truth. There's

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gonna be more to it. And
then I don't know, this is maybe

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getting out there, but I've been
fascinated by these uh you know, the

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the UFOs stuff that's been in the
news lately. I don't know how much

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you've paid attention to it or anything, but you know, I have.

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You know what, Let let me
let me tie this back a little bit,

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because the reason why I brought up
all that other stuff, everybody thinks

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it's probably some loose thing because I
just have this personal need to bring it

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up. No, no, no, I was going to bring it back

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around to this, the issue even
of discussing, okay, Russia and Ukraine

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and what's happening in Vladimir Putin.
This is a seriously divisive issue that,

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of course, is a bullet you've
dodged entirely because you haven't been associated with

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anybody in alt media lately. And
I'm not part of that anymore. I

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mean, I still have a couple
of loose associations with a couple of people

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in the old alt media world,
but very few. And here's the bottom

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line, do you know how divisive
this has become in the indie media world

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at this point in time? I
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Well, my impression and again this
is someone that has like completely sort of

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separated himself from it. But my
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I first started out, well,
first of when I started out, and

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certainly you and if you look at
other people like Aaron, James Corbett,

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you know you could we all did
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there was no you know, like
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to an episode that James did on
how to make a podcast, and then

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I went out and I bought I'm
using the exact same microphone that he recommended

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all those years ago, and you
know, and I and I made it,

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and I made an episode and I
actually emailed it two James and then

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he, uh, we became friends
and he started including all my podcasts and

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his old subscriber newsletter and and that's
how I met a lot of other people

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that, like, you know,
Aaron and you know, other Germa Jimenez,

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who I used to do a lot
of work with, and so you

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know, I met all these people, you know, and that's how you

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did it, right, But when
this was going on, was that like

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two thousand and eight, two thousand
and nine and there, Yeah, this

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would have been well, this would
have been when the Boston bombing happened.

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That was the very first episode I
ever did, Okay, so yeah,

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so it was a little bit later
than yeah, yeah, but yeah,

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well you know when when you know, because that's why it's me and a

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microphone, right, yeah, that's
right when I got rolling exactly then,

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so you and I actually rolled at
about the same time. But again,

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there was no way of us like
coming together because everybody was very disconnected.

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There really weren't communities, which was
odd. All there was was some groups

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of listeners that might have met each
other in a chat room or something like.

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listener to Jack Bloods, you might

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have heard him depending on which network
he hoped to because they had chat rooms.

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And that was it, like like
you would run into somebody there,

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you get to know him there a
little bit, and then somebody might say,

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well, I've got a podcast too, you know, or I've got

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a YouTube channel or whatever, and
this was it. This was the way.

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Now, James was very much liked
I y do it yourself be the

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media. Him and Clyde and even
Jack at that time, we're pretty much

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the three voices. And I was
privately emailing these guys, pretty much yelling

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at them about their JFK stuff,
and they just simultaneously all kind of said

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back to me, Look, why
don't you just make your own and then

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you can do this your way?
And you know, like, how about

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you shut up and do it yourself? Kid? You know, whether I

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was older than them or younger than
them, it didn't really matter. And

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I am a little bit older than
you. But you and I rolled at

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about the same time in twenty thirteen
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mean James was so far back that
he was taking like documentaries and playing the

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audio of a documentary on his show
and then commenting on it. That was

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one of his designs, remember that. I think it was like Sundays he

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did that and it was really cool, and I'm sure it's still all there

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if you go to Corbett Report dot
com. Shot don't have to James Corbett

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still, you know, because even
though he may be on a different side

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of an issue or two or whatever, I can't argue with the voluminous and

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really intensely good work he's done on
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here is that we've now entered another
time, you know, sort of like

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back in about seven years ago,
six seven years ago, you were either

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on the Trump train or you weren't
okay, and that that was an odd

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divide and you were there for that. I'm telling you this Russian thing is

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deep, just like it and why
because when we were coming into this community,

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if you notice, there was this
infiltration and this pr campaign to make

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Russia today, which, by the
way, if you guys hear like weird

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like block party noise, I can't
help it. I got neighbors that are

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super super freaking loud, and I
don't have enough installation to block out their

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their their craps. So hopefully you
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do, sorry, it's just very
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though that there was this divide about

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you know, either you're with Trump
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outsider coming in, you know,
when he was running okay Russia. Now

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based on the campaign seven eight years
ago, twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen,

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twenty sixteen. During that time,
there were a lot of all media people

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I'm holding up air quotes, guys, all media people that were going to

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RT and going that's where real information
is coming from and why because it was

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being sold to us that way,
And you and I both personally worked with

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the new people and new people that
were related to people bull of course,

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I'm specifically calling you out there because
you've been friends with Robbie Martin quite a

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while, and Abby Martin of course
kind of made you made made viral video

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out of her interaction with certain agencies. Okay, I'm not going to get

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deep into that story because I don't
want to derail too much where where we're

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going to go in the meat of
the discussion once again. But it's interesting

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because at that time I was noting
to you, even privately, that look,

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man, this is very weird.
Okay, this is Russian government media.

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It's run and yes they're letting some
of US Americans say some things on

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there and their English services, but
quite frankly, this is a Russian government

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media outlet. Why is it that
nobody is making that calculus ensure They're allowing

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the convenient parts of the truth to
come out that serve their geopolitical interests as

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00:27:55.519 --> 00:28:00.880
far as spheres of influence go throughout
the world, to be served in English

410
00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:06.960
by guess what, people that are
already oriented to being American dissonance. Why

411
00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:10.759
get Russian people and try and prop
them up and teach them to speak English.

412
00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:15.119
When you have a ready made set
of individuals you can recruit for fairly

413
00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:19.119
cheap, okay or nothing sometimes to
come on and be on these outlets.

414
00:28:19.119 --> 00:28:23.000
Now I'm not trying it. Now, I'm getting dangerously close to insulting maybe

415
00:28:23.039 --> 00:28:30.000
Pierce, because Pierce had made many
appearances on stuff like Sputnik and things like

416
00:28:30.039 --> 00:28:33.039
that. Yeah, I was on
fault Lines numerous times, and and and

417
00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:41.880
those were probably back when oh god, what's his name? Lee Stranahan was

418
00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:47.359
still on and people Lee Stranahan was
like one of the original guys that were

419
00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:49.519
for Breitbart, And he's kind of
a nut, but I sort of like

420
00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:53.480
love I love his energy. I
don't know what he's up there now,

421
00:28:55.039 --> 00:28:57.440
but I found LYE Camp really interesting. And it used to be on my

422
00:28:57.440 --> 00:29:00.920
show all the time Lee Camp,
and it was like, Wow, he's

423
00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:03.359
a famous big comedian. I'm like, he's not that big, but he

424
00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:07.880
is funny. I like him,
and okay, he's on OURT whatever.

425
00:29:07.039 --> 00:29:11.960
I don't think Lee Camp thinks he
knows exactly what purpose he's serving. And

426
00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:15.319
I even brought it up to him
on this show. I think he got

427
00:29:15.319 --> 00:29:18.000
a little unhappy with me about it. But I was trying to say all

428
00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:23.039
along that this is a giant pr
campaign and what was underneath it. Well,

429
00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:26.880
at the time Obama was in office, and I know you remember this

430
00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:29.680
stuff. I'm gonna be ticking all
kinds of memory boxes here for you,

431
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:30.880
and trust me, guys, we
are going to get back to the meat

432
00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:34.000
of the discussion. Okay, I'm
just off roading for a minute here.

433
00:29:34.799 --> 00:29:41.119
The thing is that you know,
Michelle Obama is a man. That video

434
00:29:41.480 --> 00:29:45.359
was out there Barack Obama instead of
you. Before Q, we had the

435
00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:52.720
various conspiracy theories that would circulate among
people like myself, like Pierce, like

436
00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:56.400
all of our little friendlies that we
were starting to get to know, and

437
00:29:56.599 --> 00:29:59.440
universally it would get delivered. Now, this stuff was not done through our

438
00:29:59.480 --> 00:30:03.839
t but it was being done online
by allegedly independent operators who were showing us

439
00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:07.519
you know videos Michelle Obama as a
man. How did they do it?

440
00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:12.000
They were doing measurements on her hands
and showing pictures. Yeah, here's your

441
00:30:12.039 --> 00:30:15.079
ears, here's the dimensions of a
man versus a woman. Oh, here's

442
00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:18.119
a dress. And oh, by
the way, doesn't that look like,

443
00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:21.359
you know, a three piece set
there and you know, coming sticking through

444
00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:23.559
a dress, et cetera, et
cetera. It's actually Michael Obama. Blah

445
00:30:23.559 --> 00:30:30.279
blah blah. Why because it was
to you know, sort of in a

446
00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:36.559
way cast rate Barack Obama. Okay, it was in a way to emasculate

447
00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:40.640
him. It was in a way
to make him lesser. Why because he

448
00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:45.480
was supposed to be the weak comy
liberal, wishy washy. He's he's so

449
00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:49.359
weak and all that he's a woman. I mean, that's really what it

450
00:30:49.400 --> 00:30:53.400
comes down to. And then what
was going on simultaneously, peers, can

451
00:30:53.440 --> 00:31:00.200
you tell me on the other side
of things, on the above boards and

452
00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:04.640
in the silent propaganda world? What
was going on? And by silent propaganda,

453
00:31:04.680 --> 00:31:08.160
I mean these people that do all
of a sudden have lots of money

454
00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:12.240
and time and resources all of a
sudden out of nowhere to be able to

455
00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:17.920
go ahead and make lots of films
and things like this and produce stuff that

456
00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:21.480
like I never have the money to
make because I don't make money. You

457
00:31:21.519 --> 00:31:23.839
know, people that have support and
access to all kinds of people, why

458
00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:27.599
do they have that so they can
go and talk about what a manly man

459
00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:33.359
and a great and strong leader Vladimir
Putin is. And they were doing this

460
00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:37.119
back then, and it led to
people with independent shows. Some of them,

461
00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:41.000
you know, might have gotten ten
listeners, some of them might have

462
00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:45.279
gotten ten thousand listeners. But all
the way from the popular to the guy

463
00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:48.599
doing it in his basement who probably
his mom was listening to it and he

464
00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:52.880
was trying to get girls he meant
to listen to it. Kind of podcasters

465
00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:56.720
out there, we're all saying things
like, gee, I almost wish Vladimir

466
00:31:56.759 --> 00:32:00.039
Putin was like the leader of the
United States, because at least we'd have

467
00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:06.079
a real man in charge. Well, they tried to do this with Donald

468
00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:09.359
Trump too, which is one of
the biggest sissies on the planet. But

469
00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:14.880
he's he's you know, he's got
big hands, you know. And you

470
00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:16.680
said, I mean, I don't
know if you saw this, Like I

471
00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:21.440
can't remember what the sort of like
Toady that is sort of like essentially replaced

472
00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:25.720
Hannity and Tucker Carlson on Fox News
at the moment. You know, he's

473
00:32:25.880 --> 00:32:32.640
he's on air live like how you
know, it's like you can imagine him

474
00:32:32.680 --> 00:32:38.680
almost like having an erection talking about
how sexy Donald Trump looks in his mug

475
00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:43.799
shot. And I'm a man,
but that's a that's a damn fine looking

476
00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:47.839
picture of him. It's it's it's
like the level two winch. And you

477
00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:51.200
know, it took as you were
talking about all this with the you know,

478
00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:53.640
the rush of stuff and the Obama
and you know, going after Michelle

479
00:32:53.640 --> 00:32:59.119
Obama, which is for no other
reason than she's a black woman. But

480
00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:02.000
that is, oh no, I
have to emasculate Barack Obama. It's not

481
00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:06.519
just because she's a black wall yeah, or exactly to emasculate a guy who

482
00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:12.799
is like who I'm sorry, is
objectively a handsome looking person and certainly is

483
00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:15.920
in shape. Is you know,
it's like the opposite of any of these

484
00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:20.480
other politicians that we have there.
But what I found I found really interesting

485
00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:22.000
and I was gonna say, is
like, you know, when we first

486
00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:29.519
got into this, the sort of
the creeping weird like Russian and it wasn't

487
00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:30.400
just Russia, but it was me, you know, because there's also like

488
00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:36.240
press TV for a while, the
Iranian State Broadcaster, which is even kind

489
00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:40.079
of wackier at times in terms of
like the kind of conspiracy a media stuff

490
00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:45.359
that they would they would put on
their shows, but you know, that

491
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:47.440
was sort of in the background,
and now it seems to have just kind

492
00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:52.000
of like it's almost like flooded into
such a degree that I don't even know

493
00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:58.079
if they are like funding all of
these people now. But what I've found

494
00:33:58.119 --> 00:34:01.160
interesting is it's so it's sort of
like they kind of flooded the market with

495
00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:06.000
it, or they absorbed all these
other people, like come work for Sputnik,

496
00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:09.679
Come work for RT you know whatever. Come here's a million dollars,

497
00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:15.719
start some media company that's gonna fail, but whatever, you can pull in

498
00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:19.920
all these other people and you know, uh, spread whatever right wing talking

499
00:34:19.960 --> 00:34:23.199
points and you know whatever. But
now I don't know if you saw this,

500
00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:28.599
but like full full circle, Tucker
Carlson, who does he have on

501
00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:34.239
X his Twitter show? I don't
know anyone watches that guy Larry Sinclair,

502
00:34:34.840 --> 00:34:38.119
who we is this guy who like, way back in the day, claimed

503
00:34:38.199 --> 00:34:44.480
that he like smoked crack with Obama
and had sex with him and performed oral

504
00:34:44.559 --> 00:34:49.239
sex on him. This is who
like Chucker Carlson has on like this is

505
00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:52.559
his big guest. He's like,
you know, and and so he's got

506
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:57.079
Larry Sinclair right on one side,
which is like, talk about irrelevant after

507
00:34:57.320 --> 00:35:01.159
that happened. But it's rum bud
that listen. That X thing is doing

508
00:35:01.239 --> 00:35:07.239
well for Tucker Carlson, though he's
probably got better reach on X than he

509
00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:10.239
had on Fox. You know that
right way. I mean, I feel

510
00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:15.760
like he s demographics. Look,
look, Pierce, I'm sorry to cut

511
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:20.400
you off, but I'm gonna bring
us back to the back to the core

512
00:35:20.440 --> 00:35:24.320
of this real quick. But before
I do, it's actually a huge upgrade

513
00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:29.519
for Tucker Carlson. I accepted probably
the paycheck. The paycheck was better through

514
00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:32.800
Rupert Murdoch. Okay, but here's
the thing, He's got a better reach

515
00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:37.719
and his demographics. It's not a
bunch of old people watching Fox News anymore.

516
00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:42.320
Okay. It's not just those people
that are so dedicated to the right

517
00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:45.239
wing talking points that they're paying for
Fox Nation. Oh no, this is

518
00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:52.000
now open, and I guarantee you
the demographic shift that has gone on there

519
00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:57.039
is a huge improvement for Tucker Carlson, who probably and not probably I know

520
00:35:57.199 --> 00:36:01.079
has enough money doesn't actually need the
paycheck because he's a part of the Swanson

521
00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:07.800
TV Dinners inheritance I think, or
whatever it was, some company like that.

522
00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:10.639
I forget somebody looking up. But
the point is he's got money built

523
00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:15.800
in. He made plenty of money
as a star on the Fox Network for

524
00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:19.199
a long time before they dismissed him. And here's the thing. Eventually he's

525
00:36:19.239 --> 00:36:22.320
gonna be able to cash in big
on this. There is gonna be a

526
00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:28.119
big back end cash in for him, Okay, and he's absolutely being supported

527
00:36:28.119 --> 00:36:32.280
by Elon Musk, who is also
Yeah, I mean Elon Musk has made

528
00:36:32.320 --> 00:36:37.360
an extra fortune outside of his family's
pre existing family fortune, which you know

529
00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:40.679
as self made man. Yeah,
I'm sure all of us have plenty of

530
00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:44.960
gems in our closets. We can
go cash in to be able to start

531
00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:47.519
up and get enough money to go
buy into PayPal. Yeah, of course

532
00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:51.920
we can all do that anyway.
You know, I can sit down with

533
00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:54.920
Peter Teel anytime I want. All
I gotta do is cash out anyhow.

534
00:36:55.239 --> 00:37:00.199
The thing is he's in a perfect
and privileged position. He's gonna do just

535
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:02.800
fine. And it's wild to see
that he's got everybody from Donald Trump to

536
00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:07.639
that guy well and just quickly because
it just made me think of that the

537
00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:14.320
going after Obama. It's like Tucker
Carlson is still following that script. You

538
00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:16.000
know, It's like, oh,
Obama's is gay and he smoked crap.

539
00:37:16.039 --> 00:37:20.719
I mean, he's hasn't even been
in office and how long. This is

540
00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:24.599
so irrelevant. But the other,
the other big uh guess I saw that

541
00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:31.639
he had on is the the Prime
Minister of Hungary, Victor Orbon right,

542
00:37:31.719 --> 00:37:36.800
it's very close with Russia. And
and how does Sucker Carlson, you know,

543
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:39.840
he what is how was he he's
talking about with Victor orbon It's it's

544
00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:45.960
the threat of the US in the
Ukraine now, which again yeah, sure

545
00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:50.239
fine, like yes we are there, we are certainly if I was Victor

546
00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:52.559
Orbanner, if I was Russia,
I would feel that's a threat. But

547
00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:58.039
it's it's fascinating to me that that's
the I mean, it feels like it's

548
00:37:58.079 --> 00:38:01.760
it's happening all over again, Like
what you were describing happening to us all

549
00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:06.880
those years back. It's like it's
happening again, only now it's like it's

550
00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:10.159
Tucker on X. You know,
it's like this is the and I mean,

551
00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:14.599
I know that we've we've talked about
this before this, this notion of

552
00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:19.119
Tucker Carlson sort of you know,
reinventing himself as some sort of like all

553
00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:22.679
media personality and he kind of dips
into you know, different. I mean,

554
00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:27.519
it's a beautiful thing. He did
it even before his departure from Fox

555
00:38:27.559 --> 00:38:30.800
and was starting to hint at it
where a whole bunch of these allegedly all

556
00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:34.239
media people were starting to go,
hey, Tucker Crosson just admitted that the

557
00:38:34.280 --> 00:38:37.519
CIA was behind JFK's assassination. I
mean, people brought that to me,

558
00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:40.119
you know, seconds after it aired. Yeah, you know, and Tucker

559
00:38:40.159 --> 00:38:44.360
Crosson talked about the aliens nobody else
is talking about, but oh my god,

560
00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:45.920
and I went, yeah, of
course, you know what he's doing.

561
00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:51.880
He's preparing. He's preparing for a
shift here guys, watch asn't And

562
00:38:51.920 --> 00:38:55.000
you know, you and I talked
about this and he made that transition.

563
00:38:55.079 --> 00:38:58.159
Now, by the way, Pierce, I don't know if you're aware of

564
00:38:58.159 --> 00:39:00.280
this, but I mean you could
right now if you felt, I could

565
00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:04.159
go to your Twitter app and set
up a Twitter space and create something that's

566
00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:07.639
like a live broadcast podcast and then
all you got to do is figure out

567
00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:08.840
how to record it. I don't
know that end of it, but you

568
00:39:08.840 --> 00:39:13.000
can do it with Twitter spaces.
Now, Musk, the only thing he's

569
00:39:13.039 --> 00:39:15.880
done positive for the platform is made
a whole bunch of tools available. Uh,

570
00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:19.880
you know that that could have been
available. And believe it or not,

571
00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:24.599
X is going to become something a
lot larger here in the very near

572
00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:29.159
future. We already know. It's
a large media platform that people get to

573
00:39:29.679 --> 00:39:31.760
interact on. It's one of the
more popular social media blah blah blah blah

574
00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:36.800
blah. But I'm telling you right
now that not only is he starting to

575
00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:38.840
make more money off of it,
which he lost a bunch to begin with,

576
00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:42.760
because that's what Musk is best at, is losing lots of money.

577
00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:45.239
I mean, all he's now got
to do is figure out how he can

578
00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:47.440
get the government to subsidize it and
he'll have himself another tesla that he can

579
00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:52.800
pump and dump stock for. But
anyway, okay, because you know that's

580
00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:57.360
all that is. That's you know, your your tax dollars people, all

581
00:39:57.400 --> 00:40:01.480
those wonderful government repays. And trust
me, he was getting uh whatever you

582
00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:06.440
call those relief checks for a long
long time. You want to talk about

583
00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:12.880
the true welfare queen, there is
a corporate government welfare queen that is living

584
00:40:12.960 --> 00:40:15.639
off of it, and supposedly everybody
takes him as the most independent you know

585
00:40:16.039 --> 00:40:20.719
Maverick businessman. Ever, I don't
give a crap. Uh, look at

586
00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:22.639
the reality of the situation. You
know, the guy says, I'm a

587
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:25.559
self bi You always got to look
at it and and start to look in

588
00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:30.079
the opposite direct. He is he
is now. I mean, it makes

589
00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:32.239
you wonder. I know, I
was just talking about like oceans, he

590
00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:37.400
conspiracies everywhere, But it makes you
wonder, is he just the new sort

591
00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:43.480
of cipher for whatever Russian or or
or or you know, it's like he

592
00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:45.119
is now It's like, okay,
you used to be Russia, right,

593
00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:47.360
yea. That was like where he
had to draw the line. Now it's

594
00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:51.320
it's Elon Musk. Are you with
Elon Musk? Are you against him?

595
00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:55.519
Well? Do you think he's gonna
defeat you know, the liberals and free

596
00:40:55.599 --> 00:40:59.320
up the internet. Well, he
is the free speech, don't you know

597
00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:01.320
that? He is for speech.
Yeah, he's for free speech so much

598
00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:06.480
that a whole bunch of people who
got themselves banned under the old regime have

599
00:41:06.559 --> 00:41:09.920
still not been restored. The majority
of them have not been restored. But

600
00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:14.239
also, come on, this guy's
for free speech. He's for free speech

601
00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:16.239
when it's convenient for him. See, it's the same thing as getting that

602
00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:20.280
job at RT or getting that job
at Sputnik, which a lot of people

603
00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:22.239
did. And I don't blame a
man earn your money if that's you know,

604
00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:25.039
if you can live with what it
is you're being positioned to say,

605
00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:28.960
go right ahead. I mean,
I you know, sort of like to

606
00:41:29.800 --> 00:41:34.159
loosely paraphrase a mob movie. Makes
no difference to me how man earns a

607
00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:37.320
living. Okay, but I'm just
saying I think I'm going a little Godfather

608
00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:44.559
Part one there. But look,
the thing is this, you know,

609
00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:49.760
but the whole process is still the
same. Now it's a different platform.

610
00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:53.079
There's expansive stuff. Everybody and their
mother's got a podcast anymore because they think

611
00:41:53.079 --> 00:41:58.400
they're interesting. Even if they're not. They have no delivery, no essence,

612
00:41:58.400 --> 00:42:00.480
and yeah, they can do it
in fifteen minutes, and they bring

613
00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:04.079
on twenty other people to sit there
and discuss things. I don't blame them

614
00:42:04.119 --> 00:42:07.000
because it seems to have been a
successful pattern. But here's the funny part.

615
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:10.480
To me, Russia is now a
different issue. They keep switching it

616
00:42:10.519 --> 00:42:16.599
around. It's a different issue.
You do realize that because if you have

617
00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:22.880
to take a side on the conflict
in Ukraine, and it must be definitive,

618
00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:28.400
because here's the thing. If you
are on the side of Vladimir Putin's

619
00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:30.719
a good guy, he's doing the
right thing. He's defending his people.

620
00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:37.119
If you're on that side, okay, you are against the other side,

621
00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:42.880
which is well, Ukraine is being
picked on by a larger nation. This

622
00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:47.440
is unfair and it's a fabricated reason
for this conflict, etc. Nobody cares

623
00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:51.559
about all the people that are getting
killed in the crossfire, who never entered

624
00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:55.199
into this conversation. We're not neo
Nazis, we're not Russian speakers. Although

625
00:42:55.760 --> 00:43:00.480
quite frankly, throughout Ukraine, the
way that I've been informed, people spoke

626
00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:07.079
Russian sometimes and some of them spoke
Ukraine Ukrainian. It's not a relevant thing

627
00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:09.760
that there were just these Russian ethno
Russian people that were being picked on and

628
00:43:09.800 --> 00:43:15.360
all that. And we were even
misled about crimea way back when when that

629
00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:19.719
was annexed, and quite frankly,
everybody sort of said, well, look,

630
00:43:19.719 --> 00:43:22.760
those people want to kind of join
Russia. Leave it alone. I

631
00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:25.480
feel as though I inaccurately reported that
now, because that's not the way it

632
00:43:25.519 --> 00:43:30.559
actually looks on the ground, but
the propaganda made it such, through urt,

633
00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:36.039
through everything else, that that was
the alternative way to look at it.

634
00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:40.199
Now. The typical you know,
lamestream, the corporate American media was

635
00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:45.360
telling you, oh, this is
absolutely terrible because what Russia is terrible pretty

636
00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:51.320
much, and they were leaning back
into the old Cold War kind of idealism.

637
00:43:51.320 --> 00:43:53.119
Look judged them just like you did
the Soviet Union. There's still a

638
00:43:53.119 --> 00:43:59.440
boogeyman, matter of fact, instead
of Lenin or you know, or Breznev,

639
00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:01.920
or of god, who was the
other guy there, doesn't matter whoever

640
00:44:01.960 --> 00:44:06.320
the great leader was of the Communist
Block, any of those guys who were

641
00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:09.519
leaders during the communist Soviet days.
Just look at put in the same way.

642
00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:15.559
That's it. That is stupid and
ignorant, but it is also stupid

643
00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:17.920
and ignorant to sit there and assume
that Vladimir Putin's telling you the truth.

644
00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:21.000
Look, I had to go in
there and defend these people that are being

645
00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:24.920
attacked by Ukrainians who have Neo Nazis
all over the place. There was this

646
00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:30.199
unit that's true, that did exist
blah blah, but didn't run the government.

647
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:32.199
No. Well see now we got
another guy. You know, look

648
00:44:32.199 --> 00:44:36.880
at these people. They elected a
guy who was just a reality TV idiot,

649
00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:43.639
and the irony of that one.
I mean, granted Trump never attempted

650
00:44:43.679 --> 00:44:46.920
to play a piano with his penis, but I think he wouldn't have been

651
00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:50.480
able to hit a note if he
did, because those hands are small.

652
00:44:50.519 --> 00:44:54.559
Regardless of what people say anyways,
the thing is that it's it's it's almost

653
00:44:54.559 --> 00:44:59.599
irrelevant. It is a clown show. But unfortunately the reality and the thing

654
00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:01.760
that I good by and allowed people
to come on my network and talk about

655
00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:07.159
and everything else when I'm in charge
of the content. Now, not every

656
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:12.199
show host I had agreed with this, but I was saying, why should

657
00:45:12.239 --> 00:45:14.960
people be getting killed? This place
is not a big place. I don't

658
00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:19.280
think it has you know, eight
thousand freaking chemical weapons labs. I don't

659
00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:22.079
think it has every neo Nazi on
the planet going through it, although I

660
00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:27.760
am quite aware of the one place
where they did used to use it.

661
00:45:27.800 --> 00:45:30.119
As you know, one of the
multiple rat lines that actually took care of

662
00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:35.960
some of the Nazis post World War
two was right there, and it was

663
00:45:36.039 --> 00:45:39.760
under Soviet control at the time.
Okay, it was in the land area

664
00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:43.840
that was Ukraine, and Ukraine was
part of the Soviet Union. But I

665
00:45:43.840 --> 00:45:45.599
don't judge in for any of that. I think they should be left alone

666
00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:51.760
and allowed to determine their own destinies. I mean, and I think it's

667
00:45:51.760 --> 00:45:54.719
a horrible crime what Putin has done. Now, does that mean that I'm

668
00:45:54.760 --> 00:45:59.039
standing entirely on the same side as
the MSMO was like, you know,

669
00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:02.199
just that's all it's about. No, this is a complex issue. But

670
00:46:02.320 --> 00:46:06.880
here's the thing. It's a dividing
line me saying what I just said and

671
00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:12.960
showing any sympathy for the Ukrainian people. Okay, uh doesn't fall in line

672
00:46:13.679 --> 00:46:15.599
with people like God. I'm trying
to think of this guy's name. He

673
00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:20.360
used to be a big name in
the alt media of Jack Blood had him

674
00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:25.480
on his show not long ago.
Regarding this, and and I was producing

675
00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:30.920
Jack Show, and I was completely
aggravated with it. But but the thing

676
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:32.840
was, he was one of those
very popular at one time on Info war

677
00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:37.360
situation guys, and quite frankly,
had ended up getting himself busted soliciting,

678
00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:43.559
uh, you know, an FBI
agent who was posing as an underage girl.

679
00:46:44.599 --> 00:46:45.719
I thought it was a man at
first, but I got corrected on

680
00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:49.920
that it was a girl. But
anyway, he got busted and sentenced.

681
00:46:49.960 --> 00:46:54.239
His name is Scott something. Anyway, I think you know who I'm talking

682
00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:58.679
about. I'm trying to think.
I'm not sure it's out of my head,

683
00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:01.440
but I'll look back on it i
write it. But I'm just saying.

684
00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:09.039
The thing is that there are people
out there that are trying to say,

685
00:47:09.519 --> 00:47:14.599
all right, that you know,
pretty much what's going on over there

686
00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:16.719
is justified. Vladimir Putin is in
the right, this kind of thing,

687
00:47:17.159 --> 00:47:23.519
okay about all of this, and
that is a hugely popular thing in all

688
00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:29.000
media. And in that way,
they've hijacked even the anti war people and

689
00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:31.239
said, look, you're against war, you gotta be against you know,

690
00:47:31.400 --> 00:47:37.719
us sending money to Ukraine. But
they're really only against us sending money to

691
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:39.480
Ukraine, you can support the war
on the Russian side, so it's not

692
00:47:39.519 --> 00:47:44.639
really an anti war thing. It's
just don't support Ukraine. And indeed,

693
00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:50.800
it's perfectly timed. It makes the
most sense because frankly, again, in

694
00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:53.360
times of economic trouble here, what
is one of the first things most people

695
00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:55.960
turn to as far as trying to
cut it. Okay, and I'm speaking

696
00:47:57.079 --> 00:48:00.239
very bluntly about this today because I'm
here with my friends, so I can

697
00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:04.119
and it makes it a whole lot
easier. And even if I'm going to

698
00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:07.239
say something that he finds offensive or
whatever, we're gonna deal with it.

699
00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:10.440
So anyways, all this is going
on, that is a huge dividing line,

700
00:48:10.519 --> 00:48:15.920
this Russian thing. Honestly, the
people that call themselves you know,

701
00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:20.360
part of the and everybody rejects the
term now and now it's even more popular

702
00:48:20.440 --> 00:48:23.000
to sort of bash Alex Jones than
it ever was, and all that the

703
00:48:23.039 --> 00:48:30.039
sacred cows have definitely some of them
sort of spoiled on the shelf. Okay,

704
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:34.559
it's happened, but there's certain things
that are a standard right now,

705
00:48:34.559 --> 00:48:37.880
and unless you're on the side of
Ukraine, is the only bad actor here

706
00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:43.199
and they are meant to be opposed, and you kind of got to be

707
00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:47.360
on the side of Russia. Telling
you right now, I've lost money directly.

708
00:48:47.480 --> 00:48:51.599
I lost a good radio job with
a network that was like, we're

709
00:48:51.639 --> 00:48:54.320
all about free speech. But they
didn't appreciate me bringing on a guy in

710
00:48:54.400 --> 00:49:00.159
Ukraine in the early days of the
conflict talking about the actual damage that's being

711
00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:05.199
done to civilians. They didn't want
that because all they wanted was the side

712
00:49:05.199 --> 00:49:10.360
of the story that these neo Nazis
are being opposed, and they're being opposed

713
00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:15.360
by Vladimi. They're very positive spin
there. And look, they were willing

714
00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:19.000
to pay me twelve hundred dollars a
week, okay to host a radio show,

715
00:49:19.960 --> 00:49:22.400
but not if I was going to
say stuff that went against that part

716
00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:25.000
of the agenda. I had to
go now. They claimed that I was

717
00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:31.880
unprofessional and that my performance on radio
was not you know, high quality good

718
00:49:32.000 --> 00:49:37.760
radio. So I wasn't a very
good talk radio host, according to them,

719
00:49:37.880 --> 00:49:40.920
that's the reason they stripped me away. And now even when their hosts

720
00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:45.760
have unknowingly attempted to book me as
a guest, they are told, no,

721
00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:49.559
you cannot have this man on.
You had a previous association with the

722
00:49:49.599 --> 00:49:52.119
network. We do not want to
put him on air. I can't even

723
00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:58.239
be a guest on this radio station
in Australia that again was willing to pay

724
00:49:58.239 --> 00:50:01.320
me at one point. I can't
be a guest on any show over there,

725
00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:06.440
and they've sort of told other people
not to have me on their platforms

726
00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:09.320
and things too, which is real
cute. They had lots of money,

727
00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:14.000
they built a physical place and all
that stuff, and magically somebody's put a

728
00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:17.000
good amount of money into there and
they're still getting people that I'm even friendly

729
00:50:17.079 --> 00:50:21.920
to to come on over there do
shows. Some of them paid, some

730
00:50:21.960 --> 00:50:24.239
of them as guests. Aaron Franz
recently did an interview with one of their

731
00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:30.159
people over there, and I'm sure
that he won't be invited back because he

732
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:34.400
mentioned o'celli, he mentioned the network, he mentioned that he broadcasts from me.

733
00:50:34.840 --> 00:50:38.039
I'm pretty sure he just got himself
added to the Australian Blacklist, Okay,

734
00:50:38.880 --> 00:50:42.480
but Aaron knew he was going to
do that before he went over there,

735
00:50:42.519 --> 00:50:45.280
and he's fine with it. He's
happy. And isn't that interesting because

736
00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:50.480
Aaron's been with me now for well, geez, I'm thinking seven years.

737
00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:54.039
Yeah, uh, steadily the only
guy who steadily remained Again. Pierce was

738
00:50:54.079 --> 00:50:57.880
here for a bit too. I
think about a year were you on the

739
00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:02.119
more I might be off. I
don't know. I don't know anyway,

740
00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:06.079
Look, I'm gonna shut up now, but I just want you to recognize

741
00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:09.000
that this is a huge dividing line, very much like that whole Either you're

742
00:51:09.039 --> 00:51:14.320
with Trump because he's the outsider chance
at a freedom based candidate, which you

743
00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:19.119
remember that was a straight faced argument
in twenty still is for some people.

744
00:51:19.159 --> 00:51:23.440
But in twenty fourteen and in twenty
fifteen, well yeah, twenty fifteen legitimately,

745
00:51:23.480 --> 00:51:28.760
But in twenty fifteen and to sixteen, that was the freedom candidate.

746
00:51:29.719 --> 00:51:32.800
That was the guy who was interested
in supporting and being on the side of

747
00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:38.360
liberty and free speech, and he
was going to do everything from challenge vaccines

748
00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:42.639
to get the truth out about nine
to eleven too. Oh, don't worry.

749
00:51:42.679 --> 00:51:45.360
The JFK documents are going to come
out because Trump will be there and

750
00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:50.280
he's going to take care of everything. Plus he's gonna get the Clinton's locked

751
00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:57.320
up. Remember, so well,
this is a new dividing line. You

752
00:51:57.719 --> 00:52:01.440
have to be on the side of
putin because Zewinsky's a New World Order puppet

753
00:52:01.480 --> 00:52:06.480
and he's getting money from the US
and he's just a grifter and and that's

754
00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:08.880
all there is to it. There
is no other dimension to it. So

755
00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:14.519
you got to take a side and
Pierce, You're you're not even aware of

756
00:52:14.599 --> 00:52:19.159
this right now, are you?
No? I'm I mean, i'm I'm

757
00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:22.119
I am vaguely aware of Sorry,
I mean, it will, It's it

758
00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:27.320
will. That's what it was.
You know again, the just when you

759
00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:31.559
were talking there seeing how even if
you do sort of remove yourself from it,

760
00:52:31.639 --> 00:52:34.199
right and you kind of were like, oh, I don't want to

761
00:52:34.239 --> 00:52:37.599
be you know, part of this. Nothing has really changed. It's just

762
00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:39.840
a reshuffling. So you know again, it's like it used to be kind

763
00:52:39.840 --> 00:52:44.320
of like r T right, that
was like what everyone and sputting, That's

764
00:52:44.320 --> 00:52:46.760
what everybody was like wanted to be
on. Now it's sort of like they've

765
00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:52.679
diversified more, like you said him
and they're funding all sorts of little outlets.

766
00:52:52.719 --> 00:52:57.079
But now it's sort of like it's
it's X and it's Tucker and he's

767
00:52:57.119 --> 00:53:02.400
got all of these like talking points
that you know, uh like written for

768
00:53:02.639 --> 00:53:07.239
like like he would fit in at
sputneck right now talking about stuff the way

769
00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:12.440
he is. I mean, there's
like the and and again that is going

770
00:53:13.039 --> 00:53:15.480
sort of like unnoticed, and just
as you were talking there, I just

771
00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:22.000
couldn't help. And I'm gonna try
to kind of like shoehorn this in and

772
00:53:22.119 --> 00:53:25.519
and because I know I mentioned UFOs
earlier, and and I'm sure some people

773
00:53:25.559 --> 00:53:30.320
in the audience their eyes are sort
of like glazing over. But for me,

774
00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:34.960
that was this interesting moment where and
I will relate this to what we

775
00:53:34.960 --> 00:53:39.239
were talking about. But with that, it seems more and more now like

776
00:53:39.559 --> 00:53:45.400
there is this like concrete evidence that
there is something now what they are who

777
00:53:45.440 --> 00:53:47.519
knows, right, But it does
seem like there are more and more people

778
00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:51.960
saying like, no, there is
something here, we just don't understand what

779
00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:57.679
it is. And all I saw
in the alternative media on this was if

780
00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:01.840
you even entertain it, if you
even think about it, if you talk

781
00:54:01.880 --> 00:54:07.159
about it, if you you know, mention anything related to this, you

782
00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:12.079
are some sort of PSI up.
You are. You are controlled opposition.

783
00:54:12.599 --> 00:54:16.719
This is all a ploy to distract
us from you know, four hundred other

784
00:54:16.760 --> 00:54:22.360
things that are going on. You
are a tool of the government of the

785
00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:25.280
state. You know, you are
some sort of CIA puppet for even just

786
00:54:25.480 --> 00:54:28.920
being like, oh this, this
is sort of interesting. I wonder,

787
00:54:29.199 --> 00:54:31.559
you know, maybe there is something
you know, just even thinking about it

788
00:54:31.679 --> 00:54:37.119
right yet at the same time,
and that's that's the sort of thing where

789
00:54:37.119 --> 00:54:42.519
it's like you could literally see with
your own eyes the reality of a UFO

790
00:54:42.920 --> 00:54:47.079
landing in your backyard, and you
are now completely programmed to that's not happening.

791
00:54:47.360 --> 00:54:52.360
That's not real. What is real
is you know, Elon Musk is

792
00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:55.440
going to you know, a fight
against you know, the powers that be

793
00:54:55.840 --> 00:55:01.360
while he is essentially running the war
in U Crane through the use of Starlink

794
00:55:01.440 --> 00:55:07.360
satellites which he has launched into space
on his own with you know, and

795
00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:12.760
it's completely sort of privatize the space
industry, and is you know, America

796
00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:16.159
the Department of Defense is essentially a
client of his when it comes to the

797
00:55:16.199 --> 00:55:20.400
war in Ukraine. And don't forget
he gave it to the Ukrainians at first

798
00:55:20.440 --> 00:55:22.920
for free kind of supporting them and
then shut him off. Hold on a

799
00:55:22.920 --> 00:55:25.159
second, Pierce, here's what we're
gonna do. We're gonna take a quick

800
00:55:25.199 --> 00:55:29.480
break and we're gonna get this all
back on track and close it out with

801
00:55:29.559 --> 00:55:32.280
a hell of a fury on the
Tuesday Night Ocelli Effect. We're gonna go

802
00:55:32.320 --> 00:55:36.519
slightly over the hour of Pierce can
stick it out. Stick around you,

803
00:55:36.559 --> 00:56:06.280
guys, We'll be right back.
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events that led up to this,
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Uncle, I'll bet you remember the
time when Benjamin Fulford said that the Asian

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Secret Society was going to dispatch ninja's
to take out the Illuminati, to change

820
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the entire world for the better.
That and never gonna happen, Ma,

821
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Nevin, did it, Never did? Didn't. Yeah, because there's a

822
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lot of false promises, the fools, I give zum we better not say

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and be polite, but there are
no false promises at the Ocelli dot Com

824
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radio network. That's exactly nothing.
It's truth the point, white to the

825
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point. And this is what I
left, straight to the point ocelly Eli

826
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dot com. Now go ahead call
it. I'm interested in the truth about

827
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the JAFA assassination. Right, Well, what do you want to know?

828
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Judie Baker's wild claim Oswald girlfriends he
knew Ruby and Barry answer weapons? Really,

829
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I imagine I could claim I have
four wheels. It doesn't make me

830
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a wagon. But okay, Oswald
was on the duty and trying to prevent

831
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the murder of John Kennedy, Come
on now has a real Eckert on the

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day of assassination. Go into her
claims. Go to Amazon dot com enter

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Judith Baker in her own words.
You'll get the results for a digital copy

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of a book where Walt Brown utilizes
her own words and the known evidence in

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the case to get at well a
different perspective. Let's say you can get

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Judith Barry Baker in her own words
from the author himself signed if you request

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it by contacting doctor Brown at KIA
s jfk at aol dot com. It's

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a fun book and it actually dissects
the many, many fantastic claims. Judith

839
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Barry Baker in her own words,
thank you all the great information have he

840
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was expressed like Coiler schools. There
anyone else who happens to get on the

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air it or jelly dot com do
not necessarily reply. And he used a

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little Chelly dot com or Chello Chelly
and we are not responsible for anny stupidity,

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which might do students. Thank you, read get ready more going to

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checko Celly your sucker, Shelley,
you know it's charco Shelley. You are

845
01:00:08.599 --> 01:00:13.760
about doing market upon the Great Crusade
the eyes of the world are upon you.

846
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The hopes and prayers of liberty loving
people everywhere march with you in company

847
01:00:20.039 --> 01:00:22.360
with our braids, allies and brothers
in arms. On the other front.

848
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Your attack will not be an easy
one. Your enemy is well trained,

849
01:00:28.760 --> 01:00:35.440
well equipped, and battle hard.
He will fight seven man demand. The

850
01:00:35.519 --> 01:00:40.519
tide has turned. The freemen of
the world are marching together to fingering good

851
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luck, and let us all these
seats of less of almighty gods upon this

852
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great and noble understanding Segment number two
of the OCHELLI effects here on a Tuesday

853
01:00:55.320 --> 01:01:00.480
with Pierce Redmond Porkins Policy Review.
Look up that phrase. I don't think

854
01:01:00.480 --> 01:01:04.800
there's been new podcasts, but he
will probably add this to his feed.

855
01:01:05.239 --> 01:01:07.920
I don't know if there's a Patreon
still, but well, there is a

856
01:01:07.920 --> 01:01:09.679
Patreon still, but I don't know
if you're actually giving people material there.

857
01:01:10.400 --> 01:01:14.639
I gotta say I'm happy to have
you along, and in fact, if

858
01:01:14.639 --> 01:01:19.599
you ever want to investigate or expand
into the Twitter spaces and try going the

859
01:01:19.679 --> 01:01:22.719
Tucker Carlson route, I'm here for
you, brother. But anyway, you

860
01:01:22.719 --> 01:01:27.639
know, and you would be great
competition for Tucker Carlson in my playlist,

861
01:01:28.280 --> 01:01:30.039
but I don't know how it would
work out for you. It might be

862
01:01:30.079 --> 01:01:32.280
interesting, though, because you don't
have to schedule it nothing. You just

863
01:01:32.360 --> 01:01:36.119
kind of pop on there and say, hey, come on over and listen.

864
01:01:36.119 --> 01:01:38.119
And I might even turn on your
microphone so you can talk, which

865
01:01:38.280 --> 01:01:42.719
most people want to hear themselves talk
more than anything. So and that is

866
01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:46.280
an interesting thing because, as I
have noted recently, the majority of people,

867
01:01:46.280 --> 01:01:49.559
and I've had to learn this the
hard way with all the hate mail

868
01:01:49.599 --> 01:01:57.840
I get, people want to hear
their prescribed and prejudiced points of view projected

869
01:01:57.840 --> 01:02:00.320
back at them one way or another, whether it's in an audio podcast a

870
01:02:00.400 --> 01:02:06.480
television show. What they want is
re affirmation. What they want is to

871
01:02:06.559 --> 01:02:08.920
be acknowledged, to be affirmed again. I have to use that word,

872
01:02:09.199 --> 01:02:15.119
to be legitimized by having somebody tell
them the opinion they already had in their

873
01:02:15.159 --> 01:02:16.960
mind, tell them the point of
view they already had in their brain.

874
01:02:17.400 --> 01:02:21.480
And indeed, you brought up the
Aliens just before we went to break.

875
01:02:21.480 --> 01:02:25.199
You brought up this whole thing,
which has been fascinating to me. But

876
01:02:25.280 --> 01:02:28.960
of course I'm an idiot, because
you know that's all just meant to be

877
01:02:29.000 --> 01:02:31.880
a distraction. It's just there to
throw, you know, red meat to

878
01:02:31.960 --> 01:02:36.960
the dumb dogs because they'll eat it
up. And that's all it is,

879
01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:38.320
because it's not the real stuff.
If you want the real stuff, we'll

880
01:02:38.360 --> 01:02:42.119
give you the real stuff. We
know who it is. But it was

881
01:02:42.159 --> 01:02:45.800
fascinating to see somebody say during a
congressional hearing that, hey, you know

882
01:02:45.840 --> 01:02:49.519
what, I'm not going to give
you any prooper anything, but I know

883
01:02:49.639 --> 01:02:53.639
stuff, and there's alien bodies and
there's alien technologies being reversed, engineered,

884
01:02:53.639 --> 01:02:58.719
etc. I don't think that's ever
been said in public on Capitol Hill.

885
01:02:59.239 --> 01:03:01.280
But then again, take a look
at the source, sort of like the

886
01:03:01.320 --> 01:03:05.719
Tucker Carlson thing where he goes,
hey, look, JFK was probably killed

887
01:03:05.760 --> 01:03:07.559
as a result of something having to
do with the CIA. Good Night America.

888
01:03:08.559 --> 01:03:12.639
No proof, no backing it up, even though he had some cool

889
01:03:12.800 --> 01:03:16.480
guests on not too long before that, even one of them my friend and

890
01:03:16.599 --> 01:03:20.400
uh and and people that I'm not
sure how I stand with them, but

891
01:03:20.440 --> 01:03:23.400
I know them who are legitimate seekers
of truth. On that case, he

892
01:03:23.440 --> 01:03:29.199
didn't give you anything to work with
except his broad based statement, as silly

893
01:03:29.239 --> 01:03:31.960
as that is. I might have
just lost Pierce on skype. Let's see

894
01:03:31.960 --> 01:03:37.360
if Pierce is back. Oh not
sure. I will double check on that.

895
01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:40.000
And if I have to call Pierce
back or maybe take another break,

896
01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:46.159
I'm gonna do it. But anyway, let's let's see what happens. Good

897
01:03:46.400 --> 01:03:53.519
God, Pierce, are you're back? No, you're not. I can't

898
01:03:53.519 --> 01:03:57.599
hear you. If you can hear
me, I can't hear you. Guys,

899
01:03:57.760 --> 01:04:02.480
I may take a quick break here
us to uh yeah, I think

900
01:04:02.480 --> 01:04:05.159
I'm gonna take a quick break here, just to try and pull Pierce back

901
01:04:05.239 --> 01:04:12.280
onto the sky because that's just the
way live radio goes. So stick around.

902
01:04:12.320 --> 01:05:19.880
I'll be right back. He was
expressed by caller schools there anyone else

903
01:05:19.920 --> 01:05:21.800
who happens again on the air,
It's gonna be dot com. Do not

904
01:05:21.840 --> 01:05:26.280
necessarily reply, he used at jelly
dot com or Jelly and we are not

905
01:05:26.360 --> 01:05:48.880
responsible. We're getting stupidity, which
might be soothe. Thank you. So

906
01:05:48.960 --> 01:05:51.719
you got treated to a little little
touch of this and that. Well,

907
01:05:51.760 --> 01:05:57.920
I took a break and re established
communication with Porkins. Okay, so if

908
01:05:57.920 --> 01:06:01.159
you're familiar with Star Wars, I'm
sure pretty sure Porkins is in formation with

909
01:06:01.159 --> 01:06:04.360
me once again. So We're going
to continue on, as I said,

910
01:06:04.400 --> 01:06:08.639
and I'm not going to torture you
guys with the reintroduction here. But as

911
01:06:08.679 --> 01:06:13.559
I was saying the alien thing,
I found it fascinating that people were saying

912
01:06:13.559 --> 01:06:16.039
these things on Capitol Hill, et
cetera, et cetera. Sure, and

913
01:06:16.079 --> 01:06:20.320
I find it interesting the entire topic. Now, is it just a weapon

914
01:06:20.400 --> 01:06:25.119
of mass distraction at this point?
Is it just, you know, a

915
01:06:25.159 --> 01:06:30.559
little more of the significant signifying of
the method to keep you busy? Maybe?

916
01:06:30.880 --> 01:06:32.679
But is it the divisive issue?
I didn't see it as a divisive

917
01:06:32.719 --> 01:06:38.079
issue, the Russian thing. It
is indeed a divisive issue. People have

918
01:06:38.159 --> 01:06:41.519
decided not to sponsor me, people
have decided to turn against me. And

919
01:06:41.559 --> 01:06:44.159
even in one weird case, despite
the fact that I had a couple of

920
01:06:44.280 --> 01:06:48.880
Ukrainian contacts, and I say had
because one of them is I'm not sure

921
01:06:48.920 --> 01:06:57.320
where the young man who apparently gave
away positions of Russian forces to Ukrainian forces,

922
01:06:57.559 --> 01:07:00.840
who was a guest on this show, was twenty years old. That

923
01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:04.039
gentleman, I'm not sure where he
is. Ruslyn. There was a guy

924
01:07:04.119 --> 01:07:08.960
named Ilia who was there, who
was also contact of mine in Ukraine.

925
01:07:09.440 --> 01:07:15.159
He has died and was killed as
a result of something going on, and

926
01:07:15.199 --> 01:07:18.840
I am unclear about how he was
killed. His family has assured me that

927
01:07:18.880 --> 01:07:24.280
he is certainly dead and gone,
but they're not willing to talk about anything

928
01:07:24.599 --> 01:07:28.360
right now. And yet a third
contact, a guy you guys heard from

929
01:07:28.360 --> 01:07:31.840
on this show a bunch of times
who told you about the suffering and the

930
01:07:31.880 --> 01:07:36.679
misery of people on the ground,
who is not technically a Ukrainian, not

931
01:07:36.800 --> 01:07:41.920
ethnically, but grew up there,
didn't grow up there, excuse me,

932
01:07:42.320 --> 01:07:45.960
didn't grow up there, married a
woman there, made his life there,

933
01:07:45.239 --> 01:07:54.960
has had his home taken from several
times by Russians acquiring his home. This

934
01:07:55.000 --> 01:07:58.880
guy who was on this show has
now decided that I am not enough on

935
01:07:58.960 --> 01:08:03.320
the side of Ukraine, and I
am a bad guy because I also allowed

936
01:08:03.360 --> 01:08:08.400
other hosts to be on my network
who were clearly on the Putin side of

937
01:08:08.400 --> 01:08:12.960
the agenda. And unfortunately, I
mean I just I'm no longer going to

938
01:08:13.039 --> 01:08:15.520
take emails from him or anything,
because even though when I thought him and

939
01:08:15.560 --> 01:08:18.399
his family were in trouble and needed
a place to go, I told him

940
01:08:18.399 --> 01:08:21.439
that if he could find his way
to the US, I would put him

941
01:08:21.520 --> 01:08:26.760
up in my own house. But
I'm a bad guy. As per usual,

942
01:08:26.920 --> 01:08:30.079
say a little to the bad guy. But anyway, Emir, I'm

943
01:08:30.119 --> 01:08:33.159
sorry you hate me. I don't
hate you. I feel bad for what's

944
01:08:33.159 --> 01:08:36.479
going on for you over there,
and I feel terrible about what's happening to

945
01:08:36.479 --> 01:08:41.960
a whole bunch of innocent Ukrainian people. Is everyone in Ukraine innocent? No?

946
01:08:42.319 --> 01:08:45.319
Is everyone in America innocent? No? And in fact, we got

947
01:08:45.319 --> 01:08:48.760
our own neo Nazi problems here,
and who knows how much of that was

948
01:08:48.840 --> 01:08:54.640
later funded by people here, and
who knows how much of that was being

949
01:08:54.840 --> 01:09:00.720
you know, picked up on and
used by people here or from here allegedly.

950
01:09:00.720 --> 01:09:06.119
Anyway, it's a complex issue,
and there are many complex issues contained

951
01:09:06.159 --> 01:09:09.840
in there. But the fact that, Pierce, you're still with me.

952
01:09:09.880 --> 01:09:12.560
I haven't put you asleep yet,
right, I'm here, Okay, So

953
01:09:12.600 --> 01:09:15.560
we're gonna go a few more minutes. I want to let you get to

954
01:09:15.840 --> 01:09:18.159
all of your thoughts on this,
because we were talking Aliens, we were

955
01:09:18.199 --> 01:09:23.119
talking Russia. But isn't it interesting
how you got to land on either the

956
01:09:23.119 --> 01:09:26.319
Trump train again or not? Excuse
me, I brought that up again,

957
01:09:26.319 --> 01:09:30.079
didn't I? You know you gotta
be on que or not. Yes,

958
01:09:30.199 --> 01:09:35.159
recognize the pun. You gotta be
big as Joe Biggs or not. Who

959
01:09:35.199 --> 01:09:40.039
just got convicted by the way,
you know, they they're not really harping

960
01:09:40.079 --> 01:09:43.640
on the fact that he was part
of the Info Wars team, but he

961
01:09:43.720 --> 01:09:49.600
was an independent broadcaster according to Wikipedia. Anyway, that and Tario also got

962
01:09:49.880 --> 01:09:56.760
sentenced. And isn't it interesting how
eventually people that are used as informants get

963
01:09:56.800 --> 01:10:01.680
abandoned by those agencies that use them
as in performance, you know, both

964
01:10:01.720 --> 01:10:06.920
keepers, you know, stuff like
that. Isn't it interesting that that all

965
01:10:06.960 --> 01:10:10.279
goes on? And I'm on the
wrong side of that issue as well.

966
01:10:10.319 --> 01:10:12.680
I'm on the wrong side of a
lot of stuff. So I'm gonna try

967
01:10:12.720 --> 01:10:15.720
not to take this personally. And
I didn't hear any static about the alien

968
01:10:15.760 --> 01:10:20.680
thing, perhaps because I landed on
the side that me avoids that static somehow,

969
01:10:20.960 --> 01:10:25.479
I don't know, Maybe because I
guess I wasn't definitive about it.

970
01:10:25.520 --> 01:10:29.000
I found it fascinating, I found
it interesting. But I find this whole

971
01:10:30.279 --> 01:10:32.399
use of a war where people are
going to get killed, where there's going

972
01:10:32.439 --> 01:10:36.560
to be many justifications, whether they
are accurate or not, whether they are

973
01:10:36.640 --> 01:10:43.159
factual or not, whether Saddam was
going for yellow cake uranium or not,

974
01:10:44.359 --> 01:10:48.159
whether babies were actually thrown out of
incubators or not. There's still gonna be

975
01:10:48.199 --> 01:10:53.600
war, and there's still a long
term conflict that's gone on in a special

976
01:10:53.600 --> 01:10:59.319
military operation, according to the Russian
government, according to Vladimir Putin, according

977
01:10:59.319 --> 01:11:01.720
to his support is in the Russian
Orthodox Church. This is the way it

978
01:11:01.840 --> 01:11:05.560
is, and you're supposed to come
down on one side or another, right,

979
01:11:05.600 --> 01:11:13.359
Piers, Yeah, I mean apparently, I uh, you know,

980
01:11:13.399 --> 01:11:16.039
I I mean, maybe it was
just who I particularly, you know,

981
01:11:16.119 --> 01:11:20.680
who the people I follow when I
went on Twitter regarding the Aliens stuff.

982
01:11:20.680 --> 01:11:26.800
But I certainly found and I think
by and large, you know, we

983
01:11:27.279 --> 01:11:30.960
both I think, as we were
saying earlier, you know, operated in

984
01:11:30.199 --> 01:11:35.279
all media environment where if you were
into UFOs and you were in Aliens,

985
01:11:35.479 --> 01:11:40.279
you were kind of like, you
know, okay, you you were you

986
01:11:40.319 --> 01:11:42.640
know, it was a different crowd. You know. It was certainly like

987
01:11:43.000 --> 01:11:46.920
that was more like you know,
coast to coast late night. Uh this

988
01:11:47.199 --> 01:11:50.359
that you know, that was very
different. And now you know, I

989
01:11:50.359 --> 01:11:56.760
think we see it finally shifting into
the mainstream, and it is crazy that

990
01:11:56.800 --> 01:12:00.439
we're having a congressional hearing where who
and I will say that this guy,

991
01:12:01.279 --> 01:12:04.960
Girsh I think is his name,
this whistleblower is talking about reverse engineering.

992
01:12:05.359 --> 01:12:12.279
I genuinely I watched all three hours
of the congressional hearing. I tended to

993
01:12:12.319 --> 01:12:15.760
believe that that guy was in fact
some sort of plant. You know,

994
01:12:15.840 --> 01:12:19.640
he was saying everything that a lot
of like you, you know you follow

995
01:12:19.760 --> 01:12:25.359
you, people want to cheer because
that is what they believe. Well,

996
01:12:25.399 --> 01:12:28.439
since you, well, Pierce,
let me ask you this this real quick,

997
01:12:28.640 --> 01:12:32.359
just for context. Since you follow
more UAP and UFO people, I

998
01:12:32.359 --> 01:12:35.279
mean, you know, depending on
what terminology, what the nomenclature is at

999
01:12:35.279 --> 01:12:40.760
the moment, I'm not sure.
But either way, since you follow more

1000
01:12:40.760 --> 01:12:45.159
of those people, did they not
get happy for like the instant that that

1001
01:12:45.319 --> 01:12:47.640
started to happen. I mean,
didn't they take that as a positive sign

1002
01:12:47.680 --> 01:12:50.399
and then maybe go back and say
whoa wait a minute, or was it

1003
01:12:50.439 --> 01:12:54.159
immediately I know he's a plant?
I mean, which way did that?

1004
01:12:54.359 --> 01:12:56.520
Oh? No? I think?
Well, this is the thing. I

1005
01:12:56.520 --> 01:13:00.319
mean, I'm wanting to ask you
for yours your dolan for instance, if

1006
01:13:00.359 --> 01:13:01.840
you think, yeah, this guy
is telling the truth and there are other

1007
01:13:01.840 --> 01:13:06.239
people like Leslie Keene, who is
a she's a journalist who wrote a lot

1008
01:13:06.239 --> 01:13:12.720
of these very you know, prominent
articles in The New York Times which were

1009
01:13:13.119 --> 01:13:16.800
cited in these congressional hearings. And
she seems to be like an actual kind

1010
01:13:16.800 --> 01:13:21.039
of like authority and is someone that's
like the New York Times is publishing stories

1011
01:13:21.079 --> 01:13:27.279
she's writing about UFOs. She's not
like someone that's like on like late night

1012
01:13:27.800 --> 01:13:31.560
you know, AM radio. She
seems to believe this guy so and I

1013
01:13:31.560 --> 01:13:36.239
don't know what that means yet.
Now the other two individuals, Fraver,

1014
01:13:36.760 --> 01:13:42.199
who's a naval commander and Ryan Graves, who I think was an Air Force

1015
01:13:42.560 --> 01:13:46.600
pilot, they actually seem really credible
and a lot of what they were saying

1016
01:13:46.840 --> 01:13:51.439
is like is either based on like
they were also two people that had actually

1017
01:13:51.840 --> 01:13:57.920
seen UFOs, right, you know, Grush has never seen anything, and

1018
01:13:57.960 --> 01:14:00.239
he admitted that, you know,
but he's that has all the answers about

1019
01:14:00.560 --> 01:14:05.119
we're reverse engineering, maybe we're doing
time travel, like you know, all

1020
01:14:05.119 --> 01:14:11.720
this sort of out there stuff.
But now all the same you know what

1021
01:14:12.000 --> 01:14:16.239
again, what that's like kind of
the complete kind of like encapsulation of all

1022
01:14:16.279 --> 01:14:19.399
of this well, you to be
aware. We'll hang on a secondcause you

1023
01:14:19.479 --> 01:14:25.079
might not be aware that there are
some legitimate efforts going on right now that

1024
01:14:25.239 --> 01:14:30.159
parallel this, where there's academic research
going on studying the reactions of the national

1025
01:14:30.199 --> 01:14:35.520
security state once again to these sorts
of anomalies. Larry Hancock, who you

1026
01:14:35.520 --> 01:14:40.640
know is a regular guy who's been
around with me longer than you you know

1027
01:14:40.960 --> 01:14:45.199
and a friend, is actually part
of a coalition group of scholars going over

1028
01:14:45.239 --> 01:14:48.319
this stuff all the way up to
nineteen seventy five. They just submitted a

1029
01:14:48.359 --> 01:14:53.680
report, They did a conference all
that and talked about the way that,

1030
01:14:53.800 --> 01:14:58.279
like say, our military and our
intelligence groups are reacting to these things.

1031
01:14:58.359 --> 01:15:01.319
And he also did a book called
UNIDENTI Find. But it's interesting to me

1032
01:15:01.439 --> 01:15:08.439
that a lot of serious study was
being brought together about the the brass tacks

1033
01:15:08.479 --> 01:15:12.319
of this right around the time that
this is happening. And of course there's

1034
01:15:12.359 --> 01:15:15.159
more interest because of these, you
know, random video drops that you and

1035
01:15:15.159 --> 01:15:19.159
I have seen all together over the
years. So all of this is happening

1036
01:15:19.159 --> 01:15:24.720
all at once, and it seems
like the thing that I thought almost anybody

1037
01:15:24.800 --> 01:15:28.560
was an avid listener coast to coast
or a you know or whatever, any

1038
01:15:28.600 --> 01:15:30.920
of those guys, like I'm thinking
Clyde Lewis's listeners would be thrilled with this.

1039
01:15:31.000 --> 01:15:34.000
I'm thinking Coast to coast listeners got
to be thrilled with this. The

1040
01:15:34.039 --> 01:15:38.840
old art bell crowd that are some
of them older than me by a shot,

1041
01:15:39.920 --> 01:15:43.520
would all be thrilled like, oh
my, we're actually getting progress here

1042
01:15:43.520 --> 01:15:47.039
in disclosure. This is happening.
There's serious studies. It's not just you

1043
01:15:47.039 --> 01:15:51.319
know, the UFO convention. What
do you what do you make of that?

1044
01:15:51.560 --> 01:15:55.399
I think they are. I think
they do believe that. I don't

1045
01:15:55.439 --> 01:15:58.800
know that they would like necessarily like
go so far as to say this is

1046
01:15:58.840 --> 01:16:00.960
like full on disclosure. But I
mean, if you think about it,

1047
01:16:00.960 --> 01:16:04.680
it's it's a long way. You're
having a congressional hearing talking about this.

1048
01:16:04.800 --> 01:16:10.680
You have like even like people like
you know, as varied politically as Matt

1049
01:16:10.680 --> 01:16:15.399
gets and AOC agreeing on this,
and you know, asking like actual hard

1050
01:16:15.479 --> 01:16:23.359
hitting questions about this phenomenon, and
yet as it's happening, right, and

1051
01:16:23.399 --> 01:16:27.560
you've got two real people like if
you physically, if you're looking at the

1052
01:16:27.680 --> 01:16:31.319
video right, you had Graves on
the left, favor on the right,

1053
01:16:31.359 --> 01:16:34.399
and then in the middle is this
guy who seems a little bit too good

1054
01:16:34.439 --> 01:16:39.720
to be true. But again you
have two real people who have actually seen

1055
01:16:39.800 --> 01:16:44.159
these things, who are credible.
I mean, in the in this case

1056
01:16:44.199 --> 01:16:47.800
of favor, I mean, no
one in the military has said he's a

1057
01:16:47.920 --> 01:16:53.680
kuk. They all believe him.
They believe this naval commander is telling the

1058
01:16:53.680 --> 01:16:58.279
truth that he saw UFOs from not
from Earth. You know, there's no

1059
01:16:58.319 --> 01:17:01.680
way these are from Earth, you
know, and you know. But while

1060
01:17:01.720 --> 01:17:04.479
that's happening, you also have this
person in the middle who seems to be

1061
01:17:04.560 --> 01:17:10.119
kind of spinning this crazy story.
So again it's it is and this is

1062
01:17:10.199 --> 01:17:15.920
I think very much. This is
something that Robbie Graham, who is a

1063
01:17:15.000 --> 01:17:20.119
fantastic author who unfortunately I believe is
no longer with us, but he wrote

1064
01:17:20.119 --> 01:17:25.039
about this in a book called Solar
Screen Saucers. But this is a sense

1065
01:17:25.079 --> 01:17:29.279
of hyper reality. As it is
happening. We are seeing this. This

1066
01:17:29.359 --> 01:17:34.079
is real, right, yet at
the exact simultaneous time it is unreal because

1067
01:17:34.119 --> 01:17:38.880
you have this guy who seems again
too good to be true, and I

1068
01:17:38.960 --> 01:17:43.000
just found it. It was.
It's so fascinating. You you look at

1069
01:17:43.039 --> 01:17:45.640
that right and again it becomes down
this draw down, this line in the

1070
01:17:45.640 --> 01:17:50.039
all media. If you believe any
of this, you are you know,

1071
01:17:50.119 --> 01:17:55.439
you're a shill. You're you're working, you know, you're you You've fallen

1072
01:17:55.479 --> 01:18:01.199
prey to dis info all this stuff
while without having any or without having any

1073
01:18:01.239 --> 01:18:06.600
like foresight to you know, the
historical roots of this, of the conspiracy

1074
01:18:06.600 --> 01:18:14.479
community which many of us claim allegiance
to, would not exist without people back

1075
01:18:14.520 --> 01:18:18.039
in the forties, late forties and
fifties who were into ufology, right,

1076
01:18:18.520 --> 01:18:20.399
you know, I mean that is
the roots of all of this, is

1077
01:18:20.439 --> 01:18:25.640
before JFK, before any of these
other uh you know topics that we all

1078
01:18:25.640 --> 01:18:28.640
seem to glaumanto. It all it
was together, you know, Yeah,

1079
01:18:28.680 --> 01:18:30.479
it all came together at a crossroads. We like to call Bill Cooper,

1080
01:18:30.560 --> 01:18:34.479
for God's sake, because he was
into the UFO thing and also about patriotism

1081
01:18:34.520 --> 01:18:39.199
and also about JFK. And so
think about that. That's the first real

1082
01:18:40.279 --> 01:18:44.119
concoction. That's the first cocktail,
if you will, of it all together.

1083
01:18:44.600 --> 01:18:47.239
May Brussel and uh and and Bill
Cooper from two opposite sides of the

1084
01:18:47.279 --> 01:18:49.880
spectrum, which, by the way, as we're speaking, one of the

1085
01:18:49.920 --> 01:18:54.800
popular Twitter spaces because I went over
to look and repost your Twitter stuff,

1086
01:18:55.199 --> 01:18:58.239
but I just happened to pop up
because I'm keeping track of this now.

1087
01:18:58.600 --> 01:19:02.039
One of the most popular things is
this debate on the Ukraine War, which

1088
01:19:02.119 --> 01:19:05.880
is really interesting that that's happening like
right now as we speak, and it's

1089
01:19:05.880 --> 01:19:10.520
picking up steam and got hundreds of
listeners over there, which is pretty interesting

1090
01:19:10.880 --> 01:19:13.880
on a Twitter space. But anyway, I just wanted to point that out.

1091
01:19:13.920 --> 01:19:15.079
I don't want you guys to tune
out to it. I'm sure it'll

1092
01:19:15.079 --> 01:19:21.199
be available somewhere because these people think
they're more than fascinating. So does everybody

1093
01:19:21.199 --> 01:19:26.039
with a microphone anymore. And spoiler
alert, not everybody knows how to operate

1094
01:19:26.079 --> 01:19:32.560
a microphone all that well. Anyway, the thing is this is really interesting

1095
01:19:32.760 --> 01:19:38.239
in that it's yet another dividing line. It's yet another one of these Look,

1096
01:19:38.319 --> 01:19:41.920
you got to pick a side,
you know, And I've tried to

1097
01:19:41.960 --> 01:19:45.239
say that people are boiling this down
to good and evil, which is the

1098
01:19:45.279 --> 01:19:48.760
most dangerous thing because if you are
on the side of buying into this,

1099
01:19:48.920 --> 01:19:53.840
not only you know, are you
either a willing or unwilling useful idiot,

1100
01:19:54.520 --> 01:19:58.720
but you're on the side of evil. And that's the most weird part of

1101
01:19:58.720 --> 01:20:02.399
this. It used to be a
debate and opinion. Here's some facts I

1102
01:20:02.439 --> 01:20:06.960
have, here's some facts you have, and it was of interest, it

1103
01:20:08.039 --> 01:20:11.439
was a point of interest, or
it was not. Nowadays, though,

1104
01:20:11.520 --> 01:20:15.600
it's become a defining characteristic of who
you are, where you stand, and

1105
01:20:15.680 --> 01:20:19.239
what you are about as a human
being, which is really strange to me.

1106
01:20:19.960 --> 01:20:23.760
And I get it. I get
it, but I don't want to

1107
01:20:23.800 --> 01:20:27.239
get it. This is the way
things are going. But what's fascinating here

1108
01:20:27.359 --> 01:20:31.239
is believe it or not. It
is the same type of reactionary thinking that

1109
01:20:31.359 --> 01:20:36.000
is being utilized when it comes to
discussing the war in Ukraine. Well,

1110
01:20:36.039 --> 01:20:41.239
yeah, that's I mean, so
you know, we're again we're we're saying,

1111
01:20:41.960 --> 01:20:45.279
uh, you know, we are
not believing what we are seeing.

1112
01:20:45.319 --> 01:20:47.960
You could have a UFO landing in
your backyard. This is all. This

1113
01:20:48.039 --> 01:20:50.960
is all a PSI op. Right, This is like the government is after

1114
01:20:51.039 --> 01:20:56.640
me because I listened to Chuck Ocelly
online, right, so you know,

1115
01:20:56.680 --> 01:21:00.199
I'm part of the system now.
And when it comes to the war and

1116
01:21:00.239 --> 01:21:01.760
again, it's like as I was
mentioning before the break, you know,

1117
01:21:01.840 --> 01:21:04.319
Oh, Elon Musk, he's going
to save us, all right, and

1118
01:21:04.520 --> 01:21:10.159
and he's fighting, you know,
the globalists while he is running the war

1119
01:21:10.239 --> 01:21:15.640
in Ukraine. Every drone strike carried
out by the United States government is coordinated

1120
01:21:15.880 --> 01:21:24.039
through his Starlink satellites. And in
fact, sometimes when Elon Musk doesn't like

1121
01:21:24.439 --> 01:21:29.760
a particular target which the Pentagon has
to give him the information we want to

1122
01:21:29.800 --> 01:21:33.039
bomb this place with a drone,
he will shut off the Starlink satellites and

1123
01:21:33.079 --> 01:21:35.439
then he'll turn them back on when
he decided, Oh, you know,

1124
01:21:35.560 --> 01:21:41.359
this is a target that I like, this is a private citizen conducting,

1125
01:21:41.800 --> 01:21:47.079
you know, of foreign policy through
the use of a private company, you

1126
01:21:47.119 --> 01:21:50.840
know, with America as a sort
of number two to this, right,

1127
01:21:50.840 --> 01:21:55.159
the Pentagon number two to this,
So you know, so that that's you

1128
01:21:55.199 --> 01:21:58.000
know, again, Elon Musk,
He's going to save us all It is

1129
01:21:58.039 --> 01:22:01.600
happening in real time, and we
are not believing what we are seeing in

1130
01:22:01.640 --> 01:22:06.039
the same way that he was we
were mentioning before earlier. Oh Putin and

1131
01:22:06.640 --> 01:22:13.239
you know and his cohorts they're fighting
the Nazis. Well, you know who

1132
01:22:13.319 --> 01:22:16.600
was the one of the major groups. I don't think anyone is denying this

1133
01:22:16.760 --> 01:22:21.199
that was fighting, uh you know
in Ukraine is the Wagner Group. This

1134
01:22:21.319 --> 01:22:27.000
is a group named after Richard Wagner's
if you know, it's essentially the name

1135
01:22:27.039 --> 01:22:30.359
Wagner comes from this guy, Dmitri
Utkin, who was like the number two

1136
01:22:30.840 --> 01:22:34.079
sort of guy at the Wagner Group
and he was a co founder along with

1137
01:22:34.159 --> 01:22:39.359
Purgozen. Well, his call sign
when when he was in the gru allegedly

1138
01:22:39.840 --> 01:22:45.199
was Wagner, not just because he
loved Richard Wagner's music, but because Richard

1139
01:22:45.239 --> 01:22:48.600
Wagner was an anti Semite. This
is a guy who you know, there

1140
01:22:48.600 --> 01:22:57.000
are photos of him online where with
Nazi tattoos, hes SS tattoos tattooed onto

1141
01:22:57.119 --> 01:23:00.720
his like chest where the like lapels
would have been in if he was wearing

1142
01:23:00.880 --> 01:23:04.920
an SS at you know, uniform. He supposedly like would say hile to

1143
01:23:05.039 --> 01:23:10.680
people, you know, he would
you would address in a very mocked uh

1144
01:23:10.840 --> 01:23:14.239
cap. So this and this guy
is going to fight, he's fighting the

1145
01:23:14.319 --> 01:23:17.159
Nazis. When you can see with
your own eyes that he is in fact

1146
01:23:17.239 --> 01:23:20.800
a Nazi. This is the person
that is, you know. So it's

1147
01:23:20.880 --> 01:23:28.079
like I find all of these things
to be like intimately really intimately related,

1148
01:23:28.119 --> 01:23:31.159
and I don't think that it's it's
and that's why I find so sort of

1149
01:23:31.880 --> 01:23:36.479
I don't know, disappointing maybe with
people in the alternative media is it's like,

1150
01:23:36.720 --> 01:23:40.960
oh, the UFOs, No,
that's that's all just a side show

1151
01:23:41.199 --> 01:23:45.039
to you know, to cover us
to the fact that you know, we're

1152
01:23:45.119 --> 01:23:48.119
we're using Nazis in Ukraine and all, you know, and it's it's not.

1153
01:23:48.199 --> 01:23:53.680
It's all every you know, it's
all the same thing we and and

1154
01:23:53.680 --> 01:23:55.640
and and in fact, and I
think that you would, you know,

1155
01:23:55.960 --> 01:23:58.640
this used to be like more.
I think I feel like you would used

1156
01:23:58.640 --> 01:24:02.039
to hear this more in the idea
maybe before you know, prior to the

1157
01:24:02.119 --> 01:24:09.920
sort of infiltration of foreign uh you
know, countries into it, where if

1158
01:24:09.960 --> 01:24:15.640
you really just take a minute and
you look, they're not hiding very much

1159
01:24:15.680 --> 01:24:20.760
from us at all. You can
clearly see exactly who is fighting in Ukraine

1160
01:24:20.800 --> 01:24:25.079
and Russia. They're both Nazis and
they're both not Nazis. You know,

1161
01:24:25.960 --> 01:24:30.359
you can see exactly what is happening. They are actually pretty upfront about all

1162
01:24:30.399 --> 01:24:34.079
of this. You know, no
one is like I don't believe that Pergosan

1163
01:24:34.159 --> 01:24:38.479
or Ken, we're ever sort of
hiding you know why it was named the

1164
01:24:38.520 --> 01:24:42.840
Wagner Group. I don't think they
were hiding their allegiances, you know,

1165
01:24:43.119 --> 01:24:46.319
in the same way, uh that
you know, again you can look at

1166
01:24:46.399 --> 01:24:49.880
like the congressional inherents with the UFO
stuff. I mean, they're not they're

1167
01:24:49.880 --> 01:24:54.479
not really hiding this from us.
It's actually out in the open. See.

1168
01:24:54.520 --> 01:24:57.560
That's the other thing. That's the
other thing that's really blatantly interesting to

1169
01:24:57.600 --> 01:25:00.640
me is that, you know,
you talked about the use of of Musk

1170
01:25:00.640 --> 01:25:04.119
turning things off and on. He
also was offering the use of that so

1171
01:25:04.199 --> 01:25:09.279
that, you know, civilians had
internet use so they could make contact with

1172
01:25:09.319 --> 01:25:14.159
the outside world. He was allowing
Ukraine to use some of his technology in

1173
01:25:14.199 --> 01:25:18.479
these stations and all this other stuff
to give them relief, right at a

1174
01:25:18.520 --> 01:25:21.720
certain point. And he was doing
it for free. Now. I know

1175
01:25:21.840 --> 01:25:26.079
a lot of his you know,
people that that that believe that he's such

1176
01:25:26.119 --> 01:25:30.880
a great fighter for free speech and
everything, would not be pleased that he

1177
01:25:30.000 --> 01:25:36.960
was assisting Ukraine, understand, And
that's the thing. Musk is not hiding

1178
01:25:38.000 --> 01:25:42.640
this. He is not like there's
no obstuscation going on here. He's very

1179
01:25:42.760 --> 01:25:47.239
upfront about exactly what he's doing.
You know, he is running the drone

1180
01:25:47.439 --> 01:25:53.079
war in Ukraine. I don't know
quite for whom. I mean again you

1181
01:25:53.119 --> 01:26:00.279
talk about free speech. He Taiwan
at one point wanted to utilize star Link,

1182
01:26:00.600 --> 01:26:08.840
but the Taiwanese government became extremely nervous
about switching over their internet service to

1183
01:26:09.000 --> 01:26:14.920
Starlink because elon Musk again, the
you know, he's fighting you know,

1184
01:26:15.000 --> 01:26:18.560
all the globalists in the New World
Order. He is so close with China

1185
01:26:18.640 --> 01:26:25.520
that Taiwan was terrified that if they
made a deal with this and suddenly China

1186
01:26:26.239 --> 01:26:30.079
you know, put you know,
and Musk wants to build more you know,

1187
01:26:30.199 --> 01:26:35.680
batteries in China and mine you know, lithium from Afghanistan and other places.

1188
01:26:36.439 --> 01:26:39.520
Well, China would say, well, you know what, maybe you

1189
01:26:39.520 --> 01:26:44.119
should shut off star Link in Taiwan, and Musk would just do it because

1190
01:26:44.119 --> 01:26:46.079
it's all you know, again,
this is all up front, there's nothing,

1191
01:26:46.319 --> 01:26:50.079
she's not hiding anything. All this
is like right there. For yet

1192
01:26:50.680 --> 01:26:56.560
so many people seem to have been
I don't know, indoctrinated into not seeing

1193
01:26:57.039 --> 01:27:00.319
reality or to see what is real, and to come with the complete opposite,

1194
01:27:00.800 --> 01:27:05.039
you know, there are no aliens
as the UFOs are landing in your

1195
01:27:05.079 --> 01:27:14.960
backyard. Prutent is fighting the Nazis
while he is employing literal neo Nazis and

1196
01:27:15.760 --> 01:27:21.039
employing a group named after Uh,
you know who chose their name not just

1197
01:27:21.119 --> 01:27:26.600
because of his music, but because
that Richard Wagner was anti Semitic. Uh.

1198
01:27:27.079 --> 01:27:30.039
It's right there in front of us. Uh. And in the same

1199
01:27:30.079 --> 01:27:30.840
thing, you know, I mean
I found that, you know, to

1200
01:27:31.119 --> 01:27:34.119
link it back to you know,
Tucker Carlson and his show as well.

1201
01:27:34.520 --> 01:27:39.720
You know, he in the Trump
interview, he go Tucker goes on and

1202
01:27:39.800 --> 01:27:43.760
on about like, well, what
about Bill barr On and Epstein? You

1203
01:27:43.760 --> 01:27:45.399
know what I mean, do you
really think Epstein? You know, I

1204
01:27:45.720 --> 01:27:48.279
think there's something there. I don't
think he I don't think he killed himself.

1205
01:27:48.600 --> 01:27:54.439
He's talking to the guy who probably
ordered it. You know, He's

1206
01:27:54.520 --> 01:27:57.479
he's asking, well, you know, I think Bill barr Is is up

1207
01:27:57.479 --> 01:28:00.800
to something, and he's lying about
all this stuff. Well, Bill barr

1208
01:28:00.840 --> 01:28:03.680
was only lying because Trump probably asked
him too. This is the one guy

1209
01:28:03.720 --> 01:28:08.640
that had the most to gain from
him, you know, dying, and

1210
01:28:08.680 --> 01:28:13.520
he's sitting across from this person and
then he even he just lets it completely

1211
01:28:13.520 --> 01:28:15.840
slip by where Trump is like,
yeah, I mean, you know,

1212
01:28:15.840 --> 01:28:17.760
it could have been something, but
no, I think he just killed himself.

1213
01:28:18.840 --> 01:28:21.039
It took her cars, and just
oh, okay, all right on

1214
01:28:21.319 --> 01:28:24.319
the next Oh, you want to
what do you want to talk about?

1215
01:28:24.560 --> 01:28:28.279
The Panama Canal and the mosquitoes and
you know how many you know, the

1216
01:28:28.359 --> 01:28:31.119
Seven Wonders of the world. All
this is like complete utter nonsense. And

1217
01:28:31.119 --> 01:28:34.720
then again, you know, Trump
will ramble on about in the Panama Canal

1218
01:28:35.000 --> 01:28:40.000
and you know, all this stuff, and it just we just accepted,

1219
01:28:40.079 --> 01:28:44.600
Yeah, that's it. That's real. Him talking about, you know,

1220
01:28:45.079 --> 01:28:48.840
the Seven Wonders of the world and
bringing in the Panama Canal and and talking

1221
01:28:48.920 --> 01:28:53.920
about you know, well he made
it, you know, seven wonders and

1222
01:28:53.960 --> 01:28:57.479
all this stuff. And I don't
know who this magical heat that he's referring

1223
01:28:57.520 --> 01:29:00.880
to that we'll all just say,
yeah, that's completely true. But when

1224
01:29:00.920 --> 01:29:08.800
he is obviously lying about probably,
if not ordering the murder, certainly sanctioning

1225
01:29:09.239 --> 01:29:15.000
the murder of a person that was
clearly you know, I mean, if

1226
01:29:15.039 --> 01:29:17.640
he was killed in that manner,
it's because they were afraid of him talking.

1227
01:29:18.159 --> 01:29:20.960
This is not you know, and
then again the same This is the

1228
01:29:20.960 --> 01:29:28.840
same person who's wishing Gillane well,
but he's fighting the you know the And

1229
01:29:28.880 --> 01:29:32.000
it's funny because I even it even
seems like Tucker Carlson is falling prey to

1230
01:29:32.039 --> 01:29:39.000
this. You know, Tucker Carlson
is asking Donald Trump why his own attorney

1231
01:29:39.079 --> 01:29:42.840
general was like lying and doing all
this stuff. So, you know,

1232
01:29:43.000 --> 01:29:46.640
best case scenario, Trump has no
control over the people in his own cabinet

1233
01:29:46.880 --> 01:29:53.800
and apparently Bill Barr is able to
just order hits. At worst, Trump

1234
01:29:53.880 --> 01:29:58.960
is involved in it. But to
Tucker Carlson, Daddy can't have done that.

1235
01:29:59.520 --> 01:30:01.600
I'm not gonna believe what I'm seeing
in front of me. I'm not

1236
01:30:01.600 --> 01:30:05.199
going to believe that I'm sitting across
from the guy who had a lot to

1237
01:30:05.359 --> 01:30:11.439
gain from this person being silist.
So you know, again it is the

1238
01:30:11.560 --> 01:30:15.920
UFO is landing in Tucker Carlson's lap, and he's no, that's not happening,

1239
01:30:15.359 --> 01:30:18.159
that's not real. You know,
I'm not I'm not gonna believe it.

1240
01:30:20.039 --> 01:30:24.760
And yeah, it just it just
seems like it's it is now happening

1241
01:30:24.800 --> 01:30:27.840
at such a degree, and it's
so funny to again, as I say,

1242
01:30:28.039 --> 01:30:30.439
you log on and you see all
these people in the all media,

1243
01:30:30.479 --> 01:30:34.600
people that I like and I and
I you know, have supported and stuff

1244
01:30:34.880 --> 01:30:40.039
to be so dismissive of, Like, well, no, I mean,

1245
01:30:40.039 --> 01:30:44.600
if you believe in UFOs, you're
you're either you know, you're a willing

1246
01:30:44.720 --> 01:30:47.760
fool or or you know, worst
case, you're actually you're in on it.

1247
01:30:48.000 --> 01:30:51.199
You're part of that. You're a
disinfo agent. You're infiltrating as you're

1248
01:30:51.239 --> 01:30:56.720
trying to to to distract us from
all the you know, from the Nazis

1249
01:30:56.760 --> 01:31:01.640
and this and that, and it's
it's it just it boggles my mind.

1250
01:31:01.680 --> 01:31:05.560
Well, eventually all of that which
you just discussed gets turned into well,

1251
01:31:05.600 --> 01:31:10.000
you must be siding with the pedophiles, you know that. It's like,

1252
01:31:10.079 --> 01:31:14.640
yeah, exactly, you're exactly you're
on the side of the pedophiles because you

1253
01:31:14.760 --> 01:31:16.920
disagree. Like that's where it goes. Ultimately. I know there's a few

1254
01:31:16.960 --> 01:31:20.560
steps I skipped there, but I'm
sure I'm telling you it doesn't take ultimate

1255
01:31:20.680 --> 01:31:25.560
yeah exactly, because there's no yeah
it will, and because it just completely

1256
01:31:25.560 --> 01:31:28.600
shuts it down. No one wants
to be like, you know, pro

1257
01:31:29.239 --> 01:31:31.119
pro pedo, right, Like,
no one's gonna be like well, no,

1258
01:31:31.119 --> 01:31:33.199
no, I mean that's not quite
it. You know, who in

1259
01:31:33.199 --> 01:31:35.399
their right mind is gonna come I
mean, look, listen, I mean

1260
01:31:35.439 --> 01:31:38.520
you, you and I. You
and I have a little disagreement about O.

1261
01:31:38.640 --> 01:31:42.960
J. Simpson, Okay, But
the thing is, I'm pretty sure

1262
01:31:43.000 --> 01:31:45.119
he's guilty. And by the way, I found it hysterical what happened with

1263
01:31:45.760 --> 01:31:49.119
one of the guys who was talking
about the different footprints and everything else recently

1264
01:31:49.840 --> 01:31:53.880
being taken to court. I think
you and I talked about it. Maybe

1265
01:31:54.199 --> 01:31:58.560
not there too ago anyway, Henry
Lee, right, it's it's very interesting,

1266
01:31:58.600 --> 01:32:00.159
and you and I can disagree about
that case. But here's the funny

1267
01:32:00.159 --> 01:32:03.399
part. You could find people that
will say, wow, I think Oja

1268
01:32:03.560 --> 01:32:05.920
was innocent. You can find people
that will say I think Oja was guilty

1269
01:32:05.920 --> 01:32:12.680
as hell. But tell me somebody, anybody that you're gonna find unless you

1270
01:32:12.680 --> 01:32:15.239
know you're you're, you're, you're
trading, I don't know, KP with

1271
01:32:15.319 --> 01:32:18.600
them, all right, what the
hell, And tell me somebody you're gonna

1272
01:32:18.600 --> 01:32:20.960
find He's like, no, I
think Epstein was probably a good guy.

1273
01:32:21.000 --> 01:32:26.439
He was probably innocent. Find me
somebody who does that. You won't.

1274
01:32:26.680 --> 01:32:30.159
But but the weird thing is they
will use that weapon. They'll use all

1275
01:32:30.199 --> 01:32:33.960
the weapons. And even in the
culture wars, right, it's like if

1276
01:32:34.039 --> 01:32:43.079
you don't show absolute fealty to the
ideals of the circumstance, if you're not

1277
01:32:43.239 --> 01:32:45.000
all the way on one side.
I mean, I've even had people come

1278
01:32:45.039 --> 01:32:49.439
at me about you know, they
assumed for some reason that I was absolutely

1279
01:32:49.560 --> 01:32:54.520
on the pro life agenda. I
don't know where they got that from,

1280
01:32:54.520 --> 01:32:59.199
but I'm not. I'm not comfortable
with abortion and things like this. But

1281
01:33:00.000 --> 01:33:03.239
again, I'm not on the pro
life side where you know, I'm agreeing

1282
01:33:03.239 --> 01:33:09.479
with the heartbeat bills and all this. All right, never been there,

1283
01:33:09.840 --> 01:33:13.439
never ever been there, But somehow
people expect that. Here's the thing,

1284
01:33:13.439 --> 01:33:17.880
though, is they'll turn that opinion
that stands into you're with the new world

1285
01:33:18.000 --> 01:33:24.920
order. They'll turn that. And
that's the oddity of this, of this

1286
01:33:25.079 --> 01:33:29.039
circumstance. Now, this is the
way it is. You go like,

1287
01:33:29.239 --> 01:33:30.880
literally, I think of the old
expression you're in for a penny, you're

1288
01:33:30.880 --> 01:33:34.279
in for a pound. You know, It's like that's all there is to

1289
01:33:34.399 --> 01:33:44.039
it. They have created a sifting
mechanism that has It's not organic. I'm

1290
01:33:44.239 --> 01:33:46.279
certain somebody designed it and I don't
think any of us saw it coming to

1291
01:33:46.399 --> 01:33:53.479
where you have to wind up being
eventually sorted into one of two categories.

1292
01:33:53.520 --> 01:33:57.800
And depending on who it is you're
dealing with, you could be seen as

1293
01:33:57.840 --> 01:34:01.640
the great evil or as part of
the great good. But there's no in

1294
01:34:01.720 --> 01:34:09.279
between. There's no ambiguity at all. There's no Well, maybe you have

1295
01:34:09.399 --> 01:34:12.960
a mixture of us, maybe you
don't quite fit in one of these two

1296
01:34:13.000 --> 01:34:17.680
boxes. Oh hell no. You
are either on the side of the pedophile

1297
01:34:17.720 --> 01:34:25.479
New World Order completely wanting to control
you communists, that's the negative connotation on

1298
01:34:25.520 --> 01:34:29.319
the one side, Or you're over
here with these wacko liberals that want to

1299
01:34:29.319 --> 01:34:35.760
destroy humanity and everything else because they
are just as anti humanist as anything that's

1300
01:34:35.800 --> 01:34:41.000
ever been on the planet, and
they've always been here too. So either

1301
01:34:41.279 --> 01:34:45.039
you're a lizard people or you're the
other lizard people. There's nothing else.

1302
01:34:46.359 --> 01:34:51.600
Unless you're on their side, then
you're okay. And again, just swap

1303
01:34:51.640 --> 01:34:56.000
the labels around. It works.
That's all there is to it anymore,

1304
01:34:56.119 --> 01:34:59.399
is good and evil. So when
you see extreme actions, when you see

1305
01:34:59.520 --> 01:35:03.079
violence committed, I have sympathy for
some of those people committing those violent acts

1306
01:35:03.079 --> 01:35:08.640
and you know why, because if
they are thoroughly convinced that they're fighting the

1307
01:35:08.720 --> 01:35:15.079
devil, fighting the Satan, fighting
the darkness, fighting the unspeakable, fighting

1308
01:35:15.279 --> 01:35:23.359
chronos in the underworld, whatever,
if they're fighting the ultimate darkness, how

1309
01:35:23.399 --> 01:35:30.039
can you have expectations that they won't
use any means necessary if that's truly what

1310
01:35:30.119 --> 01:35:32.680
they believe. Now, whether it
makes any sense or not, and whether

1311
01:35:32.720 --> 01:35:36.720
it's more than just an emotional plea, and whether it's just well, I

1312
01:35:36.760 --> 01:35:42.239
have to put Vladimir Putin on the
side of good because he's out there speaking

1313
01:35:42.319 --> 01:35:48.319
about proper morals. Then that has
been pointed to me. Whether you have

1314
01:35:48.359 --> 01:35:51.319
to put it on the other side
that well, you know, this guy,

1315
01:35:51.439 --> 01:35:55.359
regardless of whether he was a reality
TV star, comedian, played a

1316
01:35:55.399 --> 01:35:59.119
piano with his penis, he is
a freedom fighter. And that's all there

1317
01:35:59.199 --> 01:36:02.520
is to it. Uh, you
don't side one way or the other depending

1318
01:36:02.520 --> 01:36:08.680
on who you're talking to. You
have just wandered into the pedo evil,

1319
01:36:08.840 --> 01:36:14.199
New World Order, globalist controller or
Nazi controller, depending on who it is.

1320
01:36:14.600 --> 01:36:17.359
And a lot of these people don't
even would have no idea why Wagner

1321
01:36:17.439 --> 01:36:25.760
has always been connected to what would
be very, very totalitarian thinking. It

1322
01:36:25.920 --> 01:36:29.680
was always a favorite thing. It
makes perfect sense that that's what you would

1323
01:36:29.680 --> 01:36:31.560
call it. It makes perfect sense. Oh, by the way, Wagoner

1324
01:36:31.720 --> 01:36:35.159
kind of sounds like that too.
And we never got back to the chef

1325
01:36:35.399 --> 01:36:39.880
and the fact that, well,
you know, maybe he's dead. Maybe

1326
01:36:39.880 --> 01:36:43.479
he's not. Now that's a new
thing. Even though the plane crashed and

1327
01:36:43.600 --> 01:36:45.680
oh, don't be suspect to Putin
or anything. He's probably not even dead.

1328
01:36:46.000 --> 01:36:51.720
See that's where even that it's right, it's like this is this is

1329
01:36:51.760 --> 01:36:56.600
your guy, right Putin? Is
that you know you don't cross him because

1330
01:36:56.640 --> 01:36:59.159
look what's gonna happen, right,
Yeah, but you can't pain him that

1331
01:36:59.199 --> 01:37:03.520
way. He's blowing up is Percosan's
jet just a you know, spitting distance

1332
01:37:03.560 --> 01:37:08.960
from one of Putin's, you know, Dasha's. But at the same time,

1333
01:37:09.000 --> 01:37:12.520
it's no, it couldn't be.
There's one one final thing, and

1334
01:37:12.560 --> 01:37:15.880
this might be maybe I'm opening up
a big can of worms, and I'm

1335
01:37:15.880 --> 01:37:20.039
sure it might offend some people,
but we're gonna close. We're gonna close

1336
01:37:20.119 --> 01:37:25.880
on your big can of worms,
just to say that, to meet just

1337
01:37:26.079 --> 01:37:29.840
all of what we were talking about
here. And again, maybe I'm I'm

1338
01:37:29.880 --> 01:37:32.359
stretching it. But to me,
it's like, you look at that,

1339
01:37:32.439 --> 01:37:36.520
and then what are we getting politically? This this cycle, that's a big

1340
01:37:36.560 --> 01:37:44.479
thing. Robert F. Kennedy Junior, who is simultaneously seems to be the

1341
01:37:44.520 --> 01:37:48.920
most ardent, hardcore supporter of Israel, so much so that I mean he

1342
01:37:49.079 --> 01:37:55.119
genuinely some of his statements. It's
like there is literally like Israel could be

1343
01:37:55.680 --> 01:38:00.199
you know, they could be going
you know, house by house murder during

1344
01:38:00.239 --> 01:38:02.720
Palestinians and he would still be like, well, they're the only democracy in

1345
01:38:02.720 --> 01:38:10.680
the Middle East. While at the
same time he clearly appears, whether he's

1346
01:38:10.840 --> 01:38:13.880
fully aware of it or not,
it seems to be dog whistling to neo

1347
01:38:13.960 --> 01:38:17.520
Nazis, like giving like direct,
like weird references, like you know,

1348
01:38:17.640 --> 01:38:23.720
more so than even like Trump with
the weird qan on tweets. And yet

1349
01:38:23.840 --> 01:38:28.920
you again, you have people on
both sides of that argument seeing only what

1350
01:38:28.960 --> 01:38:32.039
they want to see and believing that
no, this is this is the guy,

1351
01:38:32.279 --> 01:38:35.560
this is our guy. Here's here's
a weird thing. Dude. I

1352
01:38:35.600 --> 01:38:41.560
feel really good about him, except
I do know that there's some strange things

1353
01:38:41.600 --> 01:38:45.720
here, like some of the people
that have gone into his organizations, environmental

1354
01:38:45.800 --> 01:38:47.640
views, and guess what the thing
you're talking about the support of Israel,

1355
01:38:47.640 --> 01:38:53.279
which I didn't even get into on
my show. Yet these things bother me

1356
01:38:53.319 --> 01:38:59.239
about him. But other than that, I gotta say, I don't feel

1357
01:38:59.279 --> 01:39:02.600
like anybody's out a leash on him. I think this is his his concoction.

1358
01:39:03.560 --> 01:39:06.079
I think so too, And I
mean, to me, that's what

1359
01:39:06.239 --> 01:39:14.560
I find that almost more terrifying that
sometimes I think he is so deep into

1360
01:39:15.239 --> 01:39:17.840
this sort of world that we've been
talking about now for nearly two hours,

1361
01:39:18.319 --> 01:39:25.119
that he is both a supporter of
Israel but also is like, you know,

1362
01:39:25.199 --> 01:39:29.119
thinks that COVID is only targeting Jews, and I think that to him,

1363
01:39:29.199 --> 01:39:31.960
he sees no difference between them in
much the same way that people are

1364
01:39:32.000 --> 01:39:36.560
like, no, no, Putin
is fighting the Nazis while he's employing the

1365
01:39:36.640 --> 01:39:41.840
Nazis. You know. It's it's
like, and I think for a lot

1366
01:39:41.840 --> 01:39:44.880
of people, it's like I think
I think that, you know, the

1367
01:39:44.960 --> 01:39:46.359
more rational of them, it just
comes down to like, well, I

1368
01:39:46.399 --> 01:39:51.199
don't care, they're my Nazis.
You know. It's okay, That's that's

1369
01:39:51.239 --> 01:39:55.640
not how I come down. But
I'm just saying that I think he's actually

1370
01:39:55.720 --> 01:40:00.720
not unlike everybody else that's being presented
out there. He's not just an agent

1371
01:40:00.760 --> 01:40:03.880
working on somebody else's behalf. That's
the only that is the only definitive,

1372
01:40:03.920 --> 01:40:06.520
clear thing I can say. And
I feel good about him, I really

1373
01:40:06.560 --> 01:40:11.439
do. I almost one of that
freaks me out a bit, is like

1374
01:40:11.479 --> 01:40:15.119
the Roger Stone stuff with him,
you know, because it's like it just

1375
01:40:15.279 --> 01:40:18.279
it feels very much like and I
just don't know how much. Again,

1376
01:40:18.359 --> 01:40:21.680
I don't know if he is fully
aware, but I think that there are

1377
01:40:21.680 --> 01:40:26.319
a lot of people that are trying
to cozy update him in a weird way.

1378
01:40:27.279 --> 01:40:30.000
And I mean, full disclosure,
I don't really like rfk JR.

1379
01:40:30.159 --> 01:40:34.079
I think he's a bit I think
again, I find he embodies too much

1380
01:40:34.119 --> 01:40:39.960
of this like Messiah complex with people
in the art media, you know.

1381
01:40:40.039 --> 01:40:43.720
But but anyway, to me,
I just feel like it's just another example

1382
01:40:43.760 --> 01:40:47.039
of that where it can you know, and he is linking people on both

1383
01:40:47.039 --> 01:40:50.960
sides of that particular argument, and
that to me is just it just it

1384
01:40:51.000 --> 01:40:56.079
feels very kind of reminiscent of what
we're talking about here, where again,

1385
01:40:56.119 --> 01:41:00.960
you will see what you want to
see, and that's generally not what is

1386
01:41:00.000 --> 01:41:04.039
the reality of it. Well,
I'm actually hoping to interview him at some

1387
01:41:04.159 --> 01:41:09.920
point and ask him a couple of
questions that I think will be really interesting.

1388
01:41:10.840 --> 01:41:12.960
And I know some other people have
gotten interview him. I was a

1389
01:41:13.000 --> 01:41:15.079
little surprised by it, but I'm
just telling you that. You see,

1390
01:41:15.079 --> 01:41:17.520
here's the thing, though, you
and I can still be friends and maybe

1391
01:41:17.520 --> 01:41:21.399
even disagree on something like this,
which is weird. And look, I'm

1392
01:41:21.399 --> 01:41:26.000
not saying that you're entirely wrong either, because it's not like I haven't been

1393
01:41:26.039 --> 01:41:30.560
broadsided in the past by something deceiving
me. We all have. Anybody you

1394
01:41:30.600 --> 01:41:34.159
know who claims to always see everything
coming is lying to you if they've been

1395
01:41:34.159 --> 01:41:39.640
alive the past twenty years. I
doubt anybody has clocked it all all the

1396
01:41:39.680 --> 01:41:43.600
way way ahead of time. It
has never been that way. Okay,

1397
01:41:43.760 --> 01:41:47.359
we've all gotten deceived because it's a
very deceptive world. Pierce. I mean,

1398
01:41:47.399 --> 01:41:51.039
would you agree to that? Oh
yeah, entirely. I mean,

1399
01:41:51.119 --> 01:41:55.199
yeah, exactly. I think that
that's you know, that's again, that's

1400
01:41:55.279 --> 01:41:58.800
what we've been talking about exactly.
So I mean, this is how easy

1401
01:41:58.800 --> 01:42:00.800
it is, exactly. So here's
what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna let

1402
01:42:00.800 --> 01:42:03.239
you go because I've already kept you
for way long enough. But I hope

1403
01:42:03.239 --> 01:42:06.680
that you and I will get together
again in the very near future and discuss

1404
01:42:06.760 --> 01:42:10.479
some more of this. And we
didn't even get to progrosion as much as

1405
01:42:10.479 --> 01:42:13.520
I wanted to. Maybe if we
get you back in a week or two,

1406
01:42:13.520 --> 01:42:15.479
we could go over at some more. I'm sure there's gonna be more

1407
01:42:16.079 --> 01:42:21.079
claims that he's still alive by then, and who knows where else the rest

1408
01:42:21.079 --> 01:42:26.079
of that story is gonna go.
Because there's something very valuable that needs to

1409
01:42:26.079 --> 01:42:29.159
be broken down here and I haven't
been able to get to it with anybody

1410
01:42:29.239 --> 01:42:31.760
yet, but I think I might
be able to with Porkins because he's really

1411
01:42:31.840 --> 01:42:38.079
good at analyzing these things. And
again, I think we'll have an interesting

1412
01:42:38.079 --> 01:42:41.800
discussion next time around. But what
do you think? Is there anything you

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want to add here? Or I
mean, I know you're not doing any

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01:42:43.960 --> 01:42:45.880
projects outside of popping up with me
once in a while, and this was

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longer than the hour we planned,
but what the hell here we are?

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01:42:49.560 --> 01:42:54.479
Any thoughts? Oh? Yeah,
just said you know, I really enjoyed

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01:42:54.520 --> 01:42:57.319
this, Chuck, and it's been
a lot of the stuff that I talked

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01:42:57.359 --> 01:43:00.479
about tonight with stuff that's been kind
of brewing in my head. So it's

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01:43:00.520 --> 01:43:05.399
great to have an outlet such as
the Achilli Effect UH, to to discuss

1420
01:43:05.439 --> 01:43:09.479
these sort of things and to bring
them up and to not be afraid again

1421
01:43:09.520 --> 01:43:15.399
to to disagree, because there is
not nearly enough disagreement when it comes to

1422
01:43:15.560 --> 01:43:19.239
UH, you know, all media
and UH and and and the freedom to

1423
01:43:19.319 --> 01:43:25.439
like express stuff that doesn't fall completely
into well you have to check this box

1424
01:43:25.520 --> 01:43:28.479
or that box, and if you
don't check this box, you're against me.

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01:43:29.239 --> 01:43:31.439
So yeah, I just that and
then yeah, and just so I

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01:43:31.439 --> 01:43:34.560
would just say, if you know, next time, maybe keep an eye

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01:43:34.560 --> 01:43:40.720
out. There's a there was a
coup recently in Gabon in Africa, and

1428
01:43:40.720 --> 01:43:43.079
there just seems to be more and
more of these cups. And I don't

1429
01:43:43.079 --> 01:43:46.880
think they're all necessarily related to Progozan, but it just is interesting to me

1430
01:43:47.800 --> 01:43:51.560
the amount of cous going on,
the fact that many of these like leaders

1431
01:43:51.680 --> 01:43:57.880
are are aligning themselves with Russia.
Whether that's because they like Wagner or they

1432
01:43:57.920 --> 01:44:00.960
like Putin, I'm not sure,
but I think that it's something that we're

1433
01:44:00.960 --> 01:44:03.159
going to see in the next couple
of weeks more developments on that. Yeah,

1434
01:44:03.239 --> 01:44:09.960
there was a lot of independent service
going on there through Progojians group,

1435
01:44:10.039 --> 01:44:14.439
right, And the fact is that
he was definitely well involved with a bunch

1436
01:44:14.479 --> 01:44:18.119
of the I guess you could call
it jeez, what what should you call

1437
01:44:18.159 --> 01:44:21.920
it? But look the independent operators
that went in there and ran security for

1438
01:44:23.039 --> 01:44:27.000
various things. It just so happens
they're they're in good proximity to a whole

1439
01:44:27.000 --> 01:44:30.119
bunch of unrest regarding these different governments. And you wonder what the design is

1440
01:44:30.159 --> 01:44:33.840
because as per usual on the global
stage, no matter if it's corporate or

1441
01:44:33.880 --> 01:44:40.680
independent, nobody's covering Africa properly.
So we don't know entirely everything that's happening

1442
01:44:40.720 --> 01:44:44.319
there. And I gotta say it
is key. It is going to be

1443
01:44:44.319 --> 01:44:46.399
about the resources, and it is
going to be about the future. And

1444
01:44:46.439 --> 01:44:49.279
I still say that at some point
if we are going to see a serious

1445
01:44:49.359 --> 01:44:55.039
launch at World War three, unless
there is you know, serious like all

1446
01:44:55.039 --> 01:45:00.520
of a sudden unexpected nuclear exchanges,
which people have teased at over this Ukrainians

1447
01:45:00.960 --> 01:45:04.079
many times. Unless it's something like
that, I do believe it'll still get

1448
01:45:04.119 --> 01:45:06.960
lit off straight from the continent.
Of Africa. I stand by that.

1449
01:45:08.359 --> 01:45:13.279
I've said that for many years,
but who knows who's gonna stumble into that,

1450
01:45:13.720 --> 01:45:17.760
and with are currently inept and seemingly
next to be an ept administration gonna

1451
01:45:17.800 --> 01:45:21.399
come in as far as the US
goes, all I can say is stay

1452
01:45:21.439 --> 01:45:25.840
tuned on that. Anyway, we'll
have Porkin's back real soon, guys,

1453
01:45:25.920 --> 01:45:28.560
and hopefully you enjoyed this. So
no matter who you are, where you

1454
01:45:28.600 --> 01:45:31.199
are, when you are, remember
I'm merely o'celly, all of you are

1455
01:45:31.199 --> 01:45:35.439
indeed the effect. Pierce Redman was
my guest tonight, and I hope you

1456
01:45:35.479 --> 01:47:47.479
guys had some food for thought.
Take care. I started as a salesman,

1457
01:47:47.560 --> 01:47:53.520
Mr Beile. I sold sewing machines
and automobile pots, hair brushes and

1458
01:47:53.920 --> 01:48:00.079
electronic equipment. They say I can
sell anything. Like to try to so

1459
01:48:00.479 --> 01:48:39.000
something to you. All hell must
to Bill. Please sit out. You

1460
01:48:39.159 --> 01:48:45.279
have meddled with the primal forces of
nature, mister Treo, and I won't

1461
01:48:45.439 --> 01:48:49.840
have it. It's a clear to
think you merely stopped a business deal.

1462
01:48:50.159 --> 01:48:55.039
That is not the case. The
Arabs have taken billions of dollars out of

1463
01:48:55.079 --> 01:48:59.199
this country, and Dolly must put
it back. It is head and flow,

1464
01:49:00.039 --> 01:49:05.800
don't gravity. It is ecological balance. You are an old man who

1465
01:49:05.840 --> 01:49:12.399
thinks in terms of nations and peoples. There are nations, there are no

1466
01:49:12.560 --> 01:49:15.920
peoples. There are no resims,
there are no Arabs, There are no

1467
01:49:15.039 --> 01:49:20.880
third worlds. There is no West. There is only one holistic system of

1468
01:49:21.199 --> 01:49:29.000
systems, one vast and the main, interwoven, interacting, multivariate, multi

1469
01:49:29.199 --> 01:49:34.600
national dominion of dollars, petrol dollars, electro dollars, multi dollars, right

1470
01:49:34.760 --> 01:49:43.479
marks, rings, rubles, bounds, and shecklers. It is the international

1471
01:49:43.520 --> 01:49:51.000
system of currency which determines the totality
of life on this penet. That is

1472
01:49:53.159 --> 01:50:02.279
the natural order of things today.
That is the atonic and sub atomic and

1473
01:50:02.479 --> 01:50:13.560
galactic structs your own things today.
And you have meddled with the primal forces

1474
01:50:13.640 --> 01:50:23.159
of nature. And you we are
a tone. Am I getting through?

1475
01:50:23.199 --> 01:50:30.960
So it must to be you get
up on your little twenty one inch screen

1476
01:50:32.880 --> 01:50:41.760
and howl about America and democracy.
There is no America. There is no

1477
01:50:41.960 --> 01:50:48.359
democracy. There is only IBM and
it T, an AT and T and

1478
01:50:48.479 --> 01:50:56.800
DuPont, dow, Union, Carbide
and Excel. Those are the nations of

1479
01:50:56.840 --> 01:51:08.079
the world today. What would I
do revelation through conversation in a radio show

1480
01:51:08.159 --> 01:51:14.760
slash podcast. You want the good
news, listen to the o'chelli effect.