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from Minnesota. I think this is the fourth or fifth person we've had from
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flat earth Files dot com. Without any further ado, let's kick off today's
episode. Our special guest again, heils from Minnesota. His name is Joe,
and Joe, thank you so much for joining us today. How are
you, sir, I'm doing great. Thanks for having me on. George,
Yeah, it's great to meet you. You know, before we get
into the conversation, you can tell the listeners a little bit about yourself.
Well, I'm a I'm a fifty year old guy from Minnesota, born and
raised here my whole life. And you know, as you had mentioned throughout
your podcast series that twenty twenty was kind of the year that changed everything and
opened up a lot of people's eyes, and that I would say that that's
kind of part of the awakening that I had, so not necessarily on flat
Earth, but just about government things and and different situations from from there.
And I'll go into more of my stuff, but I run a business,
So during twenty twenty, I was trying to run a business and have employees
work from home and things like that. But in the in the last year,
so I've just decided, you know, I was going to google flat
Earth and see if I could debunk it, and somehow I came across the
fact fact Hunter podcast, and you had mentioned your other podcast, the Flat
Earth Files, So I gave that a try just to debunk it, and
I've been listening to it ever since. I've kind of put my fantasy football
podcasts on hold. Yeah, it is almost that time of year right now
that that's one of the things that I indulge myself to just because it's it's
more of a family event than anything else. I couldn't even tell you who
the starting quarterback is for the Tennessee Titans, but it's just something we do
as a family and it was something that was important to my dad. We
carry on that tradition. So it is funny for me at least. I
don't want to speak for anyone else. But as I came into the truth
community and that the more that I realized conspiracy theories were not theories, they
were the truth. Kind of, like you said, some of the things
that were kind of important to me, like the sports and music. I
had a music podcast back in twenty seventeen twenty eighteen that was doing really well
breaking down eighties rock and roll and led Zeppelin four and all these other things.
They kind of take a back seat, At least for me it did,
because I realized that these are all part of the distractions and don't get
me wrong, it's nice to have distractions from time to time, but I
think sometimes we take some of those distractions and we kind of lose focus on
what we really should be focused on. What are your thoughts on that?
Yeah, you know, I would agree with that definitely. As I've gotten
into your podcasts and listen to it, you know, definitely some of the
other things that were top of mind is interested in mine. I've kind of
fallen off and I've taken less importance of them. Now as I've delved into
it, you know, I'm enjoying them again, you know, I'm bringing
them back and and the two can go hand in hand. So I am
enjoying it and but at the same time still learning about you know, going
down this rabbit hole hasn't taken all of my time, but just enough to
keep me interested and keep me engaged. There you go. One of the
reasons I sent my email to you is because I found as you have guests
on and as you go through your stuff, I found myself almost like talking
to your podcast, going oh no, no, no, I agree with
that, or no, that's wrong, or you know, and so I
said, well, you know, instead of having a dialogue with the podcast.
Maybe send an email and I could be a guest. There you go,
and I appreciate that. And it's like I was telling you before we
hit the record button, that is certainly had. The podcast has taken on
a life of its own. And the thing that people when they email me,
what resonates with them the most is listening to people's journey to the truth,
because that is what makes this the podcast unique, is listening to people's
journey, and it really resonates with them. And one of the common components
that we hear over and over again is that year of twenty twenty when people
say, wait a second, really, and I think they overplayed their cards,
and I think there's a big reason that had a lot to do with
a great awakening that we're seeing today. I agree. And as long as
you mentioned that, you know, I kind of if you're okay, I'll
dive right into it. It's done on your overplaying in a hand. So
being from Minnesota, the hand while a hand was overplayed, you'd be surprised
that it wasn't really overplayed. So I am actually shocked at how many people
just fell in line. So while it may have been overplayed and woke up
a group of people. And again I don't really like that wake up versus
a sleep thing. I understand where it comes from, right, but to
use that terminology, it woke up a lot of people. But I was
amazed at how many people friends, family, colleagues just went along with the
program. And so while it did wake up a group certain subset of the
population, the numbers are still on the government side, oh one hundred percent.
Now let me ask you a question. During the course of twenty twenty,
did you see the device? How it divided like kind of many families,
even include in my extended family. It was a divisive you know,
you're not getting the vaccine? Are you crazy? You know you're not.
You know that type of thing. Is that something that you saw firstand as
well, So this is probably a good transition sort into our story. So,
you know, I run a business and right around I remember it was
a couple of days before Saint Patrick's Day of twenty twenty. You know,
we had to send our employees home and figure out how they can work remote.
So we all went home. I spent two weeks at home. Kids
are at home from school, and after two weeks. My wife said,
you got to go back to work because this isn't going to work with all
of us in the house together. And and you know, I run a
business, so there's there's a physical location, We get mail, we got
applications, we got you know, there's things that need to happen. So
a business partner of mine and I we decided, you know, we have
to go into the office. And it was really weird driving on the freeway
that was completely empty, completely empty, and I'm nervous that I'm going to
get pulled over and have to justify myself for driving into work. I mean
that that's how weird it was. It was just like out of a movie.
And there were times I was nervous, like like what if I get
arrested? You know, it's just one of those things. And everything's in
lockdown. The building is dark, that lights are off, so, you
know, and I'm going to downtown Minneapolis and I'm using key cards to get
in, and so there's a there's a computer record that I'm doing all this,
and there's cameras, you know, and I'm always wondering, like,
am I actually going to get arrested for just going into work, but you
know what, we were critical people because we had to keep the business running.
We did have to physically be in the office and do things. So
that's a small transition that was kind of around that that March time frame,
and I still remember Easter of that timeframe and my wife or my wife and
I we took it very seriously and if it's if it's a virus, you
know, we had I wouldn't call myself a prepper, but I'm prepared.
We had N ninety five masks stashed and so that time, like, you
know, we had the N ninety five masks with us because if it's a
real virus, you need an N ninety five mask. I mean, you
know, that's just what you do. And I remember giving them to my
parents and my in laws. I'm remember that Easter vividly because we went and
had Easter in my parents' front yard and we were wearing our N ninety five
masks and my parents and I don't want to disparage them or anything like that,
but their understanding of it was a little bit differently. So they'd come
out and give us hugs or whatever, you know, and We're like,
no, no, no, you gotta keep your distance, and they're like,
no, that's okay, we washed our hands inside. You know,
there's there's this element of like, well, they're not quite understanding what this
virus is and how it can work, you know. And I'll continue with
that story a little bit later because it dovetails into one of my awakenings of
what this virus really was. Well, i'll actually just go into that story
that. So then through that spring, my parents and I have a handicapped
sister who's older, and she still lives at home. She goes to her
boyfriend's you know, probably every other week, and they go out and about
and do things. And to be blunt, my dad and my sister didn't
really quarantine very well. They were out there doing things. And I remember
turning to my outh one time and I said, if my dad and my
sister haven't caught up by no, it's not contagious. And it's kind of
a punchline, but there was an element of truth to that. And I
remember watching the you know, all those press conferences that Trump had with Fauci
and everything. We every day we watched them, you know, like we
were just glued to the TV. Finding I was going on, and when
it started not making sense, that's when my wife and I are like,
like, this doesn't make sense. Yeah, and man, there's so many
ways to go with that. Number one. I'm in the same line of
you. I'm I think it's okay. I don't If you want to call
me a prepper, that's fine. But I think one thing that people should
learn, if we go back to twenty twenty again, if you wait for
something to happen to get prepared, it's already too late. If you remember
how quickly the things like the toilet paper and things like that go out the
window. So we've made it. We have one spare room that we turned
into just a room for nonperishables we can. My wife just goes to the
garden, you know, a couple of times a week, and she cans
everything. So we take it seriously because I kind of see I believe this
is a little bit off topic here, but I believe that the stock market
is falsely being kept up. I think during the day you'll see it.
I don't know how if you keep an eye on it that much, you're
not. But I see it in the morning it'll drop two three hundred points
and then it comes back, and to me, that's the average people like
you and I selling and then the folks like Black Rock and Van God or
excuse me, Vanguard buying it up. I do think I don't like to
be a fear you know, constant fear guy, because I still live my
life. I don't live in fear. But I'm also a realist and I
do think that we're going to have some type of credit event as soon as
this fall. So I do tell people, especially in the Fact Hunner at
the end of every podcast, if you stay ready, you'll be ready.
Don't wait for an event to happen to start preparing, because by then it's
too late. So you know, we talk about that you watched your father
and your sister just kind of continue on. They didn't alter their life too
much. Did you You know when you started that rabbit hole? Did you
have you or have you? I should say, come upon the whole germ
theory versus terrain theory type of rabbit hole. No, and I haven't gone
down that rabbit hole yet, but that might be one of the next ones.
I kind of go down as I hear you mention it more often,
but kind of like what I said in my email, like, to me,
the major one is is flatterth And before we dive into that, you
know, just to kind of give you a little bit more of my history
of the twenty twenty because as long as I'm telling that story, so as
that spring rolled around, you know, my wife and I are like,
well, these other masks are just ridiculous, So it clearly doesn't mean anything.
I remember us going down to Florida because we have family in Florida.
So over that Memorial Day weekend, we went down to Florida and it was
just a dream come true. We're like, oh my gosh, it's a
different place down here. It's in it's the opposite of Minnesota. And we
were reading in the news that the mayors of the mayors and the governors of
Minneapolis and Saint Paul and Minnesota, we're going to have heavier lockdowns, you
know, coming out of that Memorial Day and more mask mandates. So I
remember telling telling everybody that like, I was gonna go back and I was
going to be the rebel. I was gonna. I'm like, there's no
I'm not even gonna wear a mask. I'm just gonna I'm just not gonna
do it. And lo and behold, that very same weekend is when George
Floyd happened. So then obviously my tone on being obstinate towards the police was
not going to happen, you know, And because the last thing I was
gonna do is harassed police, and the last thing I was gonna do is
be obstinate. So so, you know, I complied because it was a
whole different environment then, and once the George Floyd thing happened, Minneapolis was
nuts. It was crazy, it was unsafe, it was everything that you
can just dribe everything on the news. Nothing was exaggerated. You we live
in a pretty safe suburbs, but it was it was scary, and you
know, without delving into too many personal details, but we made we prepared,
you know, and one of the things was to go downtown. I
bought one of those retractable police batons, so I pepper spraining a police baton
that I would carry on me at all times, just because I just I
didn't know, you know, like you just you need to have something with
you. And again that summer, I remember, so this is a true
story. So there was a summer let's call it a Wednesday, and I'm
in the office doing work and you know, doing client emails. And finally,
at about noon one o'clock, I decided to check non client emails and
there was one from the building management that said that there was going to be
a George Floyd protest literally a block away from where I work, starting at
like two, and that was like I looked at my watch and that was
an hour and I'm like, oh my gosh, i gotta get out of
here. So immediately packed up my bag. So I'm in a polo shirt
shorts, you know. I grabbed my work bag and as soon as I
left my building and the door clicked behind me, I realized that I'm locked
out of the building. Like I'm out on the streets. I'm locked out
of the building. And I walked to my parking ramp building, pull on
the doors. There's a chain around the doors and it's locked. So I
go to another set of doors. They're locked. So I am out on
the streets, locked out of buildings, and I know this protest is going
to start literally a half a block away from me, you know, in
forty five minutes, and the crowd's already starting to gather and I'm just like,
what I mean, fear runs through you. And I finally called the
security guard of the building where my car is and they said, you got
to walk down the ramp. So I walked down the ramp, out of
my car, drove out of downtown, no problem. But still, when
your heart's racing one hundred miles an hour, it's it's a whole different place.
And again, growing up in Minnesota, I knew where. You know,
when you grew up in a town, you know where the safe places
are, you know where the non safe places are. You know where you
can go during the day, you know where you can't go during night,
all those types of things, and all that's just flipped upside down. There
is just whatever you thought was safe or not safe, it's just flipped upside
down't now and you have to treat everything as you have to. You have
to. You have your head on a swivel everywhere you go in Minnesota right
now, that's insane because growing up there's an author that I used to read
in the nineties and two thousands, John Sanford. He had the entire series
the Prey Novels, And you know, I always pictured Minnesota into the nine,
you know, growing I guess thirties and forties whatever, But I always
pictured Minnesota just to be this peaceful place where people went to fish. And
then when I saw what happened in twenty twenty, I was just like,
Wow, if this can happen in a place like Mani and Minneapolis, this
can happen anywhere. And again, twenty twenty had so many ups and downs,
and for you know, you were literally within a hundred feet of some
something that we were watching on the news at home. These events that'll live
in the history books forever. On the mary Letta Police Precinct get burned down,
we watched it live. It was it. It was crazy. That's
crazy, That is insane. One of the other things prior to that,
which just I didn't understand how people couldn't see the evil in is how the
government decided who was essential and who was not essential. Yeah, that's another.
So again it's it's kind of a punchline for me. Well, I
shouldn't say a punchline for me, it's a punchline. It's a joke.
I tell only because of how serious it is. I remember our governor getting
a haircut on his front lawn by his wife. And while everybody's laughing,
the media is laughing. I turned to my wife and I go, how
insulting. She goes, well, what do you mean? I go,
it's insulting. That's somebody's career. Somebody's career, Like, can you imagine.
So let's say your job was, you know, let's say I call
it the laptop class. Let's say your job was to work on a laptop
every day. Well what if the governor sat on the front lawn with the
laptop? He goes, look, I'm doing your job. Ha ha.
Yep. You know, it's just it's insulting. It doesn't matter what your
job is. And it made me. It did make me mad. Yeah,
and I still don't. There's a lot of people who don't understand how
big a chain of events that started the first and again we'll get to flatter
here in a second, but yeah, December twenty third, nineteen thirteen was
the first in a series of events that that is going to bring down the
downfall the country. That was the Federal Reserve. But what people haven't seen
over the last three years is how the middle class has been decimated, how
small business has been decimated, and people don't realize that small business used to
represent almost eighty percent of the country, and we're starting to see that flow.
I know, just for example, Colorado Springs, there was a report
in the Denver Post how almost forty percent of the small businesses in Colorado Springs
went out of business between twenty twenty and twenty twenty two. And now that
Yellow, you know, one of the largest transportation companies in the world,
has just declared bankruptcy. But what many people don't know is they were one
of the few places that would transport less than an entire truckload. Right.
Walmart ships by truckloads, Amazon ships by truckloads. But George, who had
a medical equipment store, I would ship a palette or two of something and
Yellow would transport that for me. And now that's gone, and thirty thousand
trucking jobs are gone, and people still think everything is you know, nothing
to see here. And twenty twenty was another one of these events that it's
scared people and once again people will give up a little of their liberty for
a little bit of security and they'll see in the end it's not going to
be worth it. So that's that's kind of a good transition, so I
should say that I am actually in the financial services industry. So I'm probably
not going to comment on any stock market stuff because I really don't want to
have to take this podcast and record and understand, report it to my regulatories
and have it filed away. So I'm gonna stay away from commenting on that.
But you're I think you're dead on about the whole eliminating of small businesses.
I also think it's about eliminating in the middle class. And I know
in my email I mentioned Okay, yeah, I was number four my bullet
points. It's just kind of some ideas about money and business and things like
that. I can't find the clip anymore. But back when Hillary and Trump
were running against each other, she made this comment that made me google it.
She said, we don't need any kulaks in America. And I'm like,
cool, what is a kulak? And I googled it and the cool
and I should probably google against so that I'm reading the proper definition. But
if I remember cluckily, it's it's a Russian term for a kind of let's
just call it, like a farmer who owns a big enough farm to be
able to hire staff. And when when Communist Russia was was kind of taking
off, they wanted to eliminate all the Kulaks. They did not want landowners
and laborers and so. But but I thought it very very strange that she
would mention that you got to eliminate the Kulaks in America, Like why is
she using a Russian term? Like it's just it was weird. And who
are the Kulaks in America? They're they're They're the plumbers, They're me,
they're you. They're the people who are kind of self employed, who can,
you know, maybe hire one or two people to help them out,
who run small businesses. They're the you know, there are the small business
that's being wiped out. So I do think there is something about big government
trying to wipe out the small businesses and the middle class. And you're right,
by the way, when you sent me that email, you can't find
that clip on YouTube anymore. I might I may have found it on bit
shoot or some other place, but I can't find where. I'll have to
go back and check. And you're right, I actually mentioned this recently.
I guess six weeks ago we touched on stalin the Greater good with a question
mark. And one of the things that came up was the COOLOCKX And these
were people, these were farmers who were their middle class. They were doing
well, and that's exactly what they want to get rid of. And you're
seeing. Man, last night, I did a podcast something I had no
idea of this. Uh. I think it's called alpha gal this syndrome that
that is the result of a tick bite and all these people, all of
a sudden are allergic to a red meat. And what has the World Economic
Forum been saying for the last three years? I know, I know,
insane. Just a coincidence though, right, yeah, so and kind of
like tying to to you know that koolaks and the middle class and stuff.
I remember one time or well, okay, so listening to your podcast,
one of the things that you've mentioned a few times is that you know,
the elites or whoever they are, is doing it for the money. And
and maybe you've said that it kind of in passing. But the first thing
that I wanted to like have a debate with you about as well, it's
not about the money, because the money is really just the grease in the
system. The money is to keep the system moving in their favor because it
really is ultimately about power, especially if you think about the Federal Reserve that
can just make money out of thin air. It While money is at the
root of it, the money is really more the grease in the engine that
makes things work. But that's really I don't think that's the end goal for
any of these things, right, And they have been slowly buying up And
you're right the Federal Reserve, for the first sixty years it was backed by
gold, so while they could purnt a lot, it still had to be
back by gold. But that all changed in the early seventies with Nixon when
they took it off the gold standard and became a full fledged fee currency.
And now you're right, money they can just print at their own will.
Now, is it eventually going to cause a hyper inflation event like we've seen
in so many other countries, Well, it's you know, again, we'll
stay away from the financial side of things, but that's something that we need
to really be careful of. And you're right, it's all about power.
That's it is a mechanism. Let's say it's a tool in their toolbox,
right, it's and the end game is power and compliance, and I think
they realized that. I think they were shocked, to be honest with you,
Joe, I think they were shocked at how quickly we bent our knee
and complied at something that you can't even see with the human eye. If
you think about how powerful that is, that they controlled us with something that
you can't even see with the naked eye. I couldn't believe it when we
had to cent our employees home. I remember telling my business partners, I
go, yeah, I give us a couple of weeks. There's no way
Americans are going to put up with this, and I am just shocked.
I still people still see people driving around in their car with me asks on,
and I just I like, wow, it is It's it's pretty crazy
how everybody kind of, like I said, a lot of people are like
you know, you mentioned it was they overplay their hand, but they may
have only overplayed their hand just to flush out people like us. Agreed,
But if you don't mind, I kind of want to go in in order
with the things you wrote, because it's a great The way you you knocked
everything out is when you sent the email a couple of months ago, you
said you weren't sold on flat Earth. Yet in terms of percentage, is
zero that you think we're on a ball spinning or one hundred where you know
it's geocentric Earth. Where are you today? Well, it's hard, it's
hard to say, but somewhere in the middle. Let's just say I'm very
open to it. I'm not I don't shut it down. And so if
we want to talk about the flat earth type stuff, which obviously is your
podcast, so it makes sense. I think the best way to prove flat
Earth Earth, or prove that we're not on a ball is with science.
And it's a little bit like letting the snake eat its own tail, where
I know a lot of your guests have talked about referencing the Bible and things
of a religious nature to kind of prove flat Earth. I would argue you
got to go in the other direction because if there's a whole group of people
that aren't believing the Bible anyway, they're not going to take the Bible as
their truth then so then you have to take what they believe is truth and
use the mirror back at them, if that makes any sense. Yeah,
And here's my thing. If they would just let us go to Antarctica.
We could prove it for ourselves. That's that's my big thing. Just let
us go and if we walk all the way across and we come out the
other side, then I will come here and I would say, ladies and
gentlemen, it's been a pleasure being the most of the flat Earth files.
But we live on a ball. Everybody, have a great day, and
make sure you stay tuned for the fact on her and we'll wrap things up.
But I think they intentionally do these things because because of the lie,
and I think this is another control mechanism. I think if we're on a
ball spinning her linked through space, they can continue to use asteroids as fear
porn, like nukes as as fear and control, just like they did with
that tiny invisible thing, you know, that little COVID bug that you see
with little things sticking out that everybody. They were able to shut down churches
over it. I mean, it's just incredible. So I think it's a
control mechanism. I do believe that heliocentrism is a form of control. Yep.
And so for me, it's a flat Earth. It resides on using
science. It's seeing too far, it's you know, things of those.
Those are the things that we need to underline and highlights and and keep flushing
out, you know. And if you grab a globe and a string and
you know, you go Minnesota to Germany and you tighten the string, yep,
it goes up over Greenland. So the flight path on northern hemisphere kind
of makes sense for me a little bit. But flight paths in the southern
hemisphere, that's so it's Antarctica flight paths in the southern hemisphere. Those are
two huge things that I'd love I'd love to know the answer for percent.
You mentioned talking about what resonates with the borderline folks. I guess folks like
yourself that are on the border. Is that what you're mentioning about. Yeah,
exactly, And so I would go back to that's the science stuff,
Like if if science can prove the Earth is flat, then it's then that's
that's the first domino, you know, it's the one that that kind of
will set off everything else. Yeah, but you know what, what's the
disparaging thing? Like I have physically seen people do laser tests that prove it,
and people will still come and say, yeah, but this and that.
The other thing I think at the end of the day, there are
some people that will be skeptical. I think just because of the programming that
is done between the public education system and the way they have made people to
accept flat earthers as just, for lack of a better word, they're nut
jobs, right, Remember how how you know Obamas like these crazy flat earthers.
Everybody's like, yeah, how about them? So that the way the
system has made us. Look, I think there are people even if you
put it in their face, they're gonna not wholly accept it. I think
that's something that we got to figure out a way to overcome. And you
know, fair point, But I would say the more that you can have
simple so what i'd call simple things that regular people can prove, whether it's
you can see too far, and if there was a way, so going
back to your business card idea, if you can leave little business card nuggets
around or links or something like that, and if there was the laser test
like on a video where people have did it, you know, like something
we're just enough to make somebody go huh, well that's weird, you know.
Also the bridge, was it the bridge in England where they did the
flags? I think you describe that one in one of your early podcasts,
The Wealth Bone fascinating. Yeah, so you know, little things like that.
So again, I think the scene too far without a curve is huge,
and you know there's other ones like that. But I think it's again,
if you're going to if if if the mass public thinks that religious is
religion religion and the Bible is a bunch of parables, then there's no way
they're going to take what the Bible says as to be true. You know,
they're going to take it as more of more parables as opposed to fact.
So then so then the again, the snake's got to eat itself.
Scientism needs to eat itself in order to prove that it's wrong. Well said.
And by the way, I'm glad you mentioned that the meeting I had
before you and I came on was about the website and we are hoping to
get them implemented in the very near future where people can just go to the
website and print them off on their own as well or order them and have
them delivered straight to the house. So it's something that is slowly coming to
fruition. I'm not the most tech heavy guy, so I got some folks
helping me with how cure codes work and everything else. So the things that
you're talking about that we need to do to get closer to, you know,
getting people to see these things for their own eyes is coming closer and
closer. So thanks for that. Now you mentioned why why why is flatter
the most important conspiracy theory? Well, and let me just take one step
backwards real quick to share my journey. You know, watching and I'll admit
Ancient Aliens was was something that that I watched all the time. I would
say maybe ten years ago, fifteen years ago. You know, I enjoyed
it. And one of the things that Ancient Aliens broke down for me was
the barrier that the Bible and religious texts and things were not just stories,
that they were actually recordings of history. Because it's and I know it's ancient
Aliens about Aliens, but you know when they talked about people coming down from
the sky or something like that, they weren't just using that as a parable
or stories to tell somebody. They were writing down facts. So I was
already kind of open to those things being true, so that when flat Earth
came around, it was a small hurdle for me to then accept religious texts
as more fact. Yeah, and I get you know, I had no
many, no idea. So many people watch that program. It's interesting.
I probably thirty percent of the people who've been on the program mentioned that ancient
aliens you know that TV show? I guess it was. It's huge.
And again when I think that's one of the things that people have to deal
with, Well, if we're on a flat earth covered by a dome,
then that changes. Again a lot of the people who were have fascinations with
or maybe have had you know, there's people who believe that they've had these
type of interactions with and who knows right, whether they're demons or you know,
maybe they think anyway. But it's it's very fascinating to me, to
make a long story short, that so many people have been affected one way
or another by this. I guess TV show. Was it on Discovery or
something? History Channel? Yeah? I think were History Channel or Discovery,
so one of the two. Yeah, that is so interesting and I think,
yeah, And what I think it broke down was again to reiterate it
when whether it's Greek mythology or Roman mythology or you know, biblical stories instead
of it just being mythology, it was they may have actually been telling new
events of what actually happened. So while in that context it was ancient Aliens,
I think what it does is it breaks down for the person watching it
that the historians of the world were actually writing down what they experienced happened,
not what just a story to tell, right exactly. And it's which go
ahead, No, I was just gonna say, which kind of changes your
perspective on it in order to then in the flat Earth journey, you know,
you need to kind of be open to that. You need to be
open that the Bible is telling you the truth, it's not actually telling you
a story exactly exactly. And along that line with NASA, it always found
that interesting that all their missions were entangled with Greek mythology Apollo, when now
Artemis, how they are related to Apollo. I don't think that is accidental,
how they label all their missions with Greek mythology, and how Rome has
such a grasp on the world as far as the political power side. Yeah,
So then kind of going back to what I was saying, so instead
of emphasizing religious texts to prove flat earth, if you can use science to
prove fat flat earth, then it proves the religious text, which then brings
in the Bible and religious texts into full scope. So to me, that
would be the order that I think would work for mass populations or the world.
Yeah, and I've gotten that message many times, people who've actually realized
where they've seen videos or for themselves, they can see too far, and
that proves I think that is one of the most powerful weapons we have.
And that's using their own calculations, right the hit inches per mouth squared.
And if we can see too far using their own calculations, and like you
said, destroying scientism with science, then people will realize that evolution and the
Big Bang theory and all the things that scientism developed, they'll see the holes
in those lies exactly. And then to ask answer your question why flat earth
is the most important, I would say, just flat out it. It
just it proves God exists. It just it's it's undeniable. That means there's
been a more ulti century conspiracy tricking the world on purpose that goes multi level,
multi generational, at a certain subset of of let's call it elitism or
something like that. So again, if you can prove flat earth. It
is just a It is the mother of all I'm going to say conspiracy theories,
but it's the mother of all conspiracy theories. Yeah, it really is.
And I don't know if people really can digest how many how many things
would fall, like we should all if you know, if we could get
everybody on board and we could prove it, the first thing, we should
all march down to Houston and get NASA on a repayment plan for all the
taxpayers number one, right, right, And you know, it's not even
about the money, it's about the control. It's about And again, like
you know, I mentioned this my wife as well. I don't need to
believe flat Earth to believe in God. And I'm like, no, no,
you don't. But but but if if for the world it proves God,
it just changes so much. It's just everything else just falls aside.
It's almost like the matrix gets broken down and it makes all the other ones
really irrelevant, like whether they asked to fake the moon lighting or really went
to it actually doesn't even matter. Like if if we prove flat Earth,
all the other ones really just become non existent. Yep, And there's so
much that people and I always joke about how people pay for their own indoctrination.
You know, Hollywood and TV plays a big part of the indoctrination.
I remember being a young guy, being nine or ten years old watching Star
Wars in the movie theater in the seventies, and that puts your mind out
there that you're flying an X wing fighter throughout or space fighting evil. And
you know, we think it's school when we're young. But in a way,
we pay for her own indoctrination. Yeah we do. Yeah, I
totally get it. You and I are about the same aide, so we
probably had the same similar upbringing when it comes to pop culture. And let
me ask you this, how would I don't Well, I remember being I
think it was nineteen eighty six, like we had the television rolled into our
you know, our high school class, and we watched the Challenger go up
in flames. Is that something they did in your school as well? Yep.
We were in the hall, so we were everybody, all the kids
were in the halls watching the watching TV. Yep. That's so interesting.
Let's talk a little bit about if you want to expand on your journey to
flat Earth, but also something that people mention a lot on the program.
Why is the name flat Earth so important? I think it's important because it
actually because that's what people are looking for. It's instead of deflecting against the
name, I say, you own it. You own it, and it's
one of those things. You got to be proud of it. You gotta
put it forward and eventually it will break down through the things. But to
run from it because it has the stigma isn't going to help because all you're
gonna do is masquerade, so people can't well one for you, people can't
find you thene But also it's it's I have it, okay, So I'm
a financial advisor. And early on being a financial advisor, we would try
to come up with all kinds of crazy names so that we're not calling ourselves
financial advisors because people have a negative you know, if you if you're at
a party and you go, what do you do? I'm a financial advisor?
I gotta go. So early in my career, it's like you're trying
to find all these different names. Did not call yourself a financial but at
the end of the year, financial advisor and people understand what that means.
So to come up with a different name than flat earth is because you're not
what it's really saying is one hundred percent in your heart of hearts, you're
not one hundred percent with it out in the public. So you're trying to
find a different way to disguise it to make it sound better. But at
the end of the day, the public recognizes you at that, so you
just just it should be worn as a bad of honor as opposed to something
that needs to be changed. And also because our goal is to spread it
to other people, so it's like you can't change the name mid midstream.
I couldn't agree with you anymore. Number one, because people when they go
into search engine that will put geocentric Earth, they're a biblical cosmology they put
in flat earth. And number two, I think it goes what you just
mentioned goes back to beating scientism with science and beating the you know, Satan
with his own tools. If we own it, run with it and say
yep, I'm a flat earth, or without having to start and rebrand something
completely different. You know that everybody knows who a flat earth or what it
means, but nobody if you say, what do you think about geocentric Earth.
Most people don't have to stop in Google. I don't even know what
geocentric earth news, so, you know, and I've had many people say
that we need to get away from it, and I'm at the point also
i embrace it. And I have no problem telling people that we are on
a flat earth. Of course, of course it's not perfectly flat mountains,
this and that and the other thing. But let's just take it. Just
like you know, the the FBI in nineteen sixty seven created the word conspiracy
theorist. If you want to call me a conspiracy theorist, I'm fine with
it because most people know that since March of twenty twenty, we're we're batting
nine hundred or so, right, we're eighty three out of eighty four,
and people who made fun of us prior to that or starting to say,
well, geez, you know, maybe maybe you're right about this. So
I'm down with that. I'm owning it, just like if you want to
call me a conspiracy theorist, that's fine as well. Let's beat them with
their own tools. I know you kind of talked about number three there about
twenty twenty and what went down there in Minnesota. What else did you mention
about sharing the your ideas of money and business, et cetera. Yeah,
we talked a little bit, but that was kind of my my ideas that
the middle class is going away. That you know, and I hate to
use the word they and the elites or whatever that is, but but you
know, they want a two class system, the elites and basically slaves or
serfs or a class that's one hundred percent dependent on the government. They do
not want self sufficient people in the middle. They do not want empowered people
in the middle. That's what has made America great since since it was started,
is that somebody without a high school education could become a millionaire in America
by just by buying real estate property and doing the right thing for thirty years
and they could have a real estate you know, empire and be self sufficient.
You know, you can't go to there's almost no other country you can
go to where you get and that is magical here. But whoever they is
the whether it's the World Economic Forum or the global elites or whatever, they
don't want us to have that power. They don't want a middle class,
they don't want self sufficiency, they don't want independence, they don't want independent
thinking. And yeah, so that's that's kind of my thought on that.
And every step that's happened is another step towards breeding. Whether it was originally
you know, Walmart, and remember when Walmart was the evil one for going
in any small towns. Yeah, and and then you know there was Barnes
and Noble putting out little booksellers, and then Amazon was putting out the Barnes
and Nobles. I mean, it's just and every step of the way,
we're just moving more and more in that direction where everything is just owned by
one giant company. Yeah. I remember Downtown's used to be full of you
know, just mom and pop stores you can go and get you know food.
They had a little deli, and those are more far and far and
few between. And what people don't realize, who maybe who has never had
a business before, is especially in retail, this is more true in retail
than anything else. When you purchase from a distributor, you pay one price
for one to ten items, you pay a lesser price for eleven to twenty
items, and the more you buy, the less you pay. You go
to Ali Baba and you'll you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. I can't
compete with Walmart as far as purchasing, Like when I was purchasing medical scrubs,
you know, I'd buy fifty or sixty sets a week. When Walmart,
because they have so many locations around the country, they could buy fifty
thousand sets a week, and they were able to sell the exact same thing
I sold in the mall, you know, a hundred yards away at a
third of the price. So people would literally come into my store, they
try on some scrubs, they take a picture of it, and then they'd
walk over to Walmart and buy it or order it from Amazon. Because once
again, I can't You can't compete with the purchase power of an Amazon or
a Walmart. And that is one of the other big reasons why mom and
pop stores are starting. You're seeing less and less of them. Yeah,
and so I you know, I'll break I'll break my rule and I'll delve
into kind of the financial world a little bit. You know, when the
index funds we're kind of invented thirty forty years ago, you know, it
was it was great because you could indust in quote unquote the index and and
then and that's where the black rock and vanguard and those types of things come
into play because they own the companies inside that index and they become the major
shareholder. Then that can decide on how the proxies are voted and what things
get put on the proxy statement for the company. So in this essence,
these large financial institutions control all the companies. And it started making me think,
and I thought about this a couple months ago. I'm like, I
wonder if I wonder if these index funds were actually created just to do that,
Like, instead of it being this great tool for investors to have low
expense ratios and get access to a market, I wonder if it was purposely
generated in order to gobble up market share so that those companies can control how
they vote. Now, I will say in there, they have a fiduciary
obligation to vote and what's the best interest for the shareholders. So I do
want to put that in there, and they have an outside council that guides
them on that. But it is funny that the same handful of names pop
up as the number one shareholder for almost every company that you'll look, go
yeah, And I always go back to the fact where bud Light had their
little campaign with the Dylan person and everybody on the right. They said,
I'm not drink of bud Light, And it turns out that Madelo or something
like that turned out to be the beer they all went to. And both
beers are owned by the same company, the big the guy at the top
of the pyramid. So you think that you're you're damaging a brand, Well,
maybe you're damaging a brand, but the money that you divert is still
going to the same shareholder, and you're one hundred percent right. And the
thing that I worry about is this credit event that I do think and this
is just me talking here. I'm not talking on Joe's behalf, and this
is me talking thinking that I do think they are creating this credit event for
a reason to bring the digital currency. And there's a lot of people who
champion the digital currency. I am not that type of guy. I do
believe that is something that they will be able to use more command and control
with. I would agree, and that's going to be And this is coming
from somebody who got booted off PayPal and everything else a couple of days after
I did the episode on black Rock and Vanguard. So they're listening when people
tell people listen, you know, and you're absolutely right. And again this
delves into different type of conversation. But you know, if you if you
look at California, they have all incentive for every to buy electric cars,
but they have a fragile grid that keeps collapsing, so then then they're gonna
have brown out. See, we can't even charge a car. So I
mean, like I personally think it's a goal to get everybody on the grid
so they can control when and where you go. And every car's got a
three hundred mile range, and that's only if you're if you're doing kind of
regular drive. If you're just gonna get on the freeway and go, you're
not going to get your three hundred miles, And then it's going to take
you overnight to charge. Even if you can charge, you might not have
the permission to be able to charge. So there's gonna be a lot of
control about people movements stuff like that as we mons direction and if we're going
to digital currency, I'm not going to be able to fill up my truck
to go up to the lake, you know, because they're basically going to
say you've used your allocation of gas for the month. So you're done.
That's it. It's all. That's what it's all about. It's all about
commanding control and going full circle back to flat Earth again. In my retrospects
of going through all the deep dives, no matter what it is, it
all comes back to control, and they have almost mastered every aspect of our
life. I don't think anything is organic anymore. I think everything happens for
a reason. It's to invoke certain emotions and certain reactions. I think they
know how we are going to react. I think that's part of what social
media was all about for the last twenty five years. Somebody posts something the
way you react to it. If you do a smile, it, thumbs
down, or a heart all these things I believe are kept in a I
think we, all of us with through social media, helped develop AI through
our reactions to post, whether it be on Twitter or Facebook, I think
we helped create artificial intelligence ourselves. I totally agree. My wife and I
have conversations, and I don't have an example for you, but let's say
we'll have a conversation about something completely unrelated to anything that we're looking at on
our phone, and it might be I don't know, like different flowers we're
going to put in the front guard or something like that, And all of
a sudden, I'm being there's advertisements for like front yard landscaping on my feet.
It's it's shocking. I happened so often that that I'll show my wife
my phone should be like, oh my gosh, that's scary, you know
it just like it's it's always apparently it's always listening it is. I learned
that the hard way to talking about a baseball collection I had when I had
an Alexa out and when I went on Facebook shortly after that conversation, there
was these baseball collections on sale on my Facebook. That's why I'm like,
okay, it's a time to gather up all the Alexis and put in the
fireplace. That that was just crazy. So when it comes to flat Earth,
all I do is listen to your podcast on on the Apple podcast things,
so that that's that's all I've really done as far as flatter So but
flatter things now pop up everywhere electronically for me, and it pops up on
Face, Facebook, Twitter, It's all over the place for me. Now,
So there's there's big long tentacles on what you're doing. Yeah, it
certainly is. And that's going full circle again that this is why uh fahrenheit
four fifty one. And we've been buying physical copies of books like crazy because
the things that we were taught about and maybe some people say I had a
guest on the other day that was talking about the not the Mandela effect,
but where you think something happened one way and then it happened another. But
it's it's greatly important because we do have a lot of tools at our disposed
right now, but we're not always going to have them. So we print
out recipes and all the things that we take advantage of where we stopped at
Google, Google something, we'll also print something just to have physical copies of.
Because we talk about being controlled with gas, how far we can go
once they go to the grid. You know, this whole green grid is
nothing more than, like you said, being able to control us. But
you may only have so much time available on the web, on the internet
as well. Can I tell a funny story about my dadad please? Yeah,
all right. So he was in his working career, he was very
good with computers and you know, he'd build his own computer, so he
was very texting every when it came to that stuff. And then it came
to the point where he'd built his own WiFi antenna for the house, not
an antenna, but like internally, so he kind of like built his own
router or whatever, and he would turn his WiFi on and off. So
like when I'd call him, I'd be like, what'd you get my email?
He's like, no, I haven't turned out on the WiFi yet.
And I used to like make fun of him, like what do you what
do you mean turn off the WiFi. He's like, well, I haven't
turned it off or turn it on, you know, And and I'm just
like, all right, Dad, just leave it on. It's just it's
like it's like utility. You don't turn it on and off. It's just
always on. And then you know, lo and behold. Three years later,
I'm like, yeah, there's there's some genius in there that is interesting.
And I've had many people tell me say, George, you need to
get rid of your your wireless internet and just hardwire everything. Some people say
it's because of the effects, some people say it's because of the security.
Maybe it's a combination of both. Yeah, no, I would agree.
Can we talk a little bit about it flatter Earth, Yeah, let's do
it. Okay. So one of the things I'm scared so one of the
things shouldn't say skeptical, but one of the things I have questions with so
and a lot of this stems with southern hemisphere. So if the sun circles
around the disk, that means in order to keep a twenty four hour day,
it's got to slow down during the winter times as it's it's no during
the summertimes when it's more in the northern hemisphere, and it's got to speed
up in the southern hemisphere. Correct. Well, you know somebody mentioned that
to me about a week ago. If you look at a clock or I'm
sorry, like a watch, isn't it going going around the clock at the
same speed sixty seconds per minute? Yeah, but the outer edge of the
hand on a clock is actually spinning at a faster rate than the inner edge.
Okay, So I don't know. So that's that's one of the things
that I haven't been able to resolve yet. And I'm not expecting an answer
from you, but it's it's one of those things. So I call it
the sun circles. It's it's one of those things that still is a question
for me. And if the sun radiates the same amount of light, then
technically the Southern hemisphere should have a lot more darkness throughout the year, not
just in their winter time than the northern hemisphere, just because there's more surface
area that it's got to cover and it can only you know, when the
sun shining, it's only covering the same one area. So so that's that's
one thing that sticks where I go. I'd love to have more information on
that. Yeah, And that is actually something that we're going to be bringing
up to more, uh for David White. So I've had about three people
ask the same questions, and the Southern hemisphere is probably the most asked questions
when it comes to those type of things. And even with the the the
solar system. Yeah, and you know, we have many of the same
questions with heliocentrism as well. If the if the sun is really ninety three
million miles away, why does it Why do the sun rays come through the
clouds like that? Why do I get more sunburn in just a difference of
a thousand or two thousand feet you know, if I go to Colorado Springs
or Albuquerque. I'm going to get a sunburn much quicker than I do,
say in Saint Louis or Mobile, Alabama. If it's truly ninety three million
miles away, I wouldn't think a couple of thousand feet would make a difference.
So I'm more on board with the flat earth side. But again,
once again, is there some things that we don't know of? Of course,
I've always said that we as humans are very curious in nature, and
I think sometimes, you know, we're kind of too cocky. We think
we need an answer for everything. I believe that God created the universe in
a way that we're not going to have the answers for everything until maybe we
go into you know, we pass on, and maybe then we'll be able
to look down and see how everything truly works. I think the flat earth
model is pretty close, but there are still some you know, on both
models, there's still some questions on both sides, but I find so many
more holes. Specifically, my biggest you know, you want to talk about,
the smoking gun for heliocentrism is just water sticking a ball. I never
bought it as a kid, but you know that wasn't in the top fifty
things in my importance. When you're growing up, when you're worried about girls
and sports and getting a job and all that thing, you know, these
things take a back seat. But you know that never made any sense to
me whatsoever. Yeah, no one, I can get that. And I
did download the David Weiss app. And so I'm very curious about all these
things, and I want to tackle them, you know, with myself,
you know, kind of one by one, and I want to use kind
of science to prove things or disprove things. And but seeing too far as
the one that that's the hook for me, that's the one that's like,
Okay, if that's true, then we have to reevaluate so many different things
about the heliocentrism model. What if my recent guests mentioned something, I think
this is something we probably could do, because it just doesn't seem like we're
ever going to be able, at least in our lifetimes to get to Antarctica.
But he said, what if we went to South America, you know,
Chili, down the southern tip of Chili, and we were able to
get into a hot air balloon or something like that, something similar to what
Picard did back in the nineteen thirties and look for ourselves with a camera that
didn't have a fish eye lens for the masses to see. It would take
a lot of logistics and some things, but I think that is one of
the few things that we could possibly do in order to of course, we'd
have to have the right conditions, and there's so much involved in it,
but I think we do need to if we really want to disprove it,
we need to be bold and start doing these type of things if we really
want to change the hearts and minds of people, as they say, and
I agree, and I think the Southern hemisphere holds so many of the answers,
and obviously Antarctica in and of itself is the true answer. And what
you've mentioned in a bunch of your podcasts in the past is I mean,
how do I how do I explain this? Okay, in NFL terms,
a coach will come on and tell you something, but they're telling you what
they want to tell you. The only way to know what how a coach
or a team really feels about a player is their actions. It comes to
like who they draft, who they trade, who they signed, so it's
their actions that speak louder than what they say. That's that's my fantasy football
analogy. Well, if you're watching governments and their actions, and the fact
that you know, again, the Germans in the middle of a world war
wanted to get down to Antarctica, you know, and have a base there.
And after World War Two, all of a sudden, all these people
who are supposed to be enemies with one another make a treaty with one other
that they've held for eighty years. I mean, there's something too, that
there really is. And I say that all the time we are almost on
the verge of a world war with Russia and China and both that those guys
are on the agreements with the Antarctica treaty. And there's videos on YouTube out
of all places you can find of folks trying to get near what is it
the sixtieth degree parallel, and the navy ships roll up on them. They're
like, you just can't go down there. Yeah, so you know we
are. And I'll tell you what. If you look at the map between
Australia and the southern tip of South America, I'm hard pressed to believe that
there's not land mass out there somewhere, right. I do believe some people
talk about maybe there's land beyond the ice walls, and maybe there is,
but I believe that there's probably even a smaller continent that's out there that they
hide from us. Go ahead, I don't. I I was just gonna
say, there almost has to be especially well, especially if you're if you
do the flatter thing, there's just so much space. Yeah, it's huge,
but even on a globe, there's a ton of space out there.
And I don't I forget the flight that disappeared over the Indian Ocean and we
were looking for it's remnants for quite h three seventy Is that the one?
And again there's there's Again there's something too that in the globe theory, there's
no way that they would get lost. But on a flat earth, if
they're on, if they're out of position, they're they're kind of toast right,
that's right. And by the way, it goes even deeper than that.
They had some I forget the computer, some type of waffle chips,
and I'm really naive when it comes to that type of conversation, but there
were four or five patented chips that were cutting edge technology, and from some
of the things I've read, it also had to do with cloaking. And
there was a bunch of doctors on those flights, a lot of when I
mean doctors, I mean PhDs in the technological areas. Some folks from Austin,
one of the big technology They still on their website have a little memorial
thing for the people who were on the flight. So it goes very deep.
It just wasn't a flight that got lost. There was some cutting edge
technology that they were taken to a conference in Indonesia or wherever it was.
And there's some very very esteemed people in some technology that had just been patented,
and it is quite the rabbit hole. Interesting. All right, I'm
surprised you haven't asked me about the moon landing yet. Oh yeah, that's
yeah. What are your thoughts on the moon landing? Well, okay,
so I don't have strong thoughts on it. To me, it probably is
not real. But the problem is now in this day and age, there's
no way for me to ascertain whether a picture is real or doctor because you
could google. If I want to find a clown face in the sand on
the moon, there's going to be a picture of it out there. So
it's it's one of those things where it's been parodied so much that I can't
I can't figure it out one way or the other. And so but it's
it doesn't make sense. I shouldn't say it doesn't make sense to me.
Everything that's been presented to me from like the Fact Hunter and things like that.
I I don't believe that it happened. But it's one of those I
don't have a strong feeling on or another. But I bring it up only
because you've always asked your guests, you know, where do they fall at
nine to eleven the moon landing? What's their pecking order on quote unquote conspiracy
theories where you know where where was the flat Earth and their journey and and
so that's why I wanted to bring that up. Yeah, for sure,
And that was that's something important. It was, you know, I guess
flat Earth was again during the COVID thing is when you kind of came into
it. Correct, No is after that. In fact, it is literally
in twenty twenty three. It was something that you know, all of a
sudden, certain celebrities are talking about that they're flat earthers, and you're just
like, what's okay? All right? And when I heard it on your
Fact Hunter podcast that you that you had a Flat Earth Files podcast, I'm
like, all right, I'm just you know, I'm like, it's Fantasy
football seasons over, so I'm gonna flip over and I'm gonna listen. I'm
gonna I'm gonna start and i'm gonna I'm either gonna come away from it saying
it's crazy and it's it's nuts, or I'm gonna be sucked in and I'm
still listening to it. So that's amazing because most people, I think they
said, well, I guess maybe it's not because you had already started that
stairway of conspiracies. You've been down the rabbit hole. So maybe some things
prior, if you hadn't been in the conspiracy realm, you may have.
And if that was the first podcast you listened to on the Fact Hunter and
you heard me mentioned flat Earth, you may have even not going back to
listen to the podcast again. But because you'd been down the rabbit hole and
you realized that many of the things that are presented in the world is a
lie, maybe you were more willing to just go down that rabbit hole and
where a lot of people do not. It's very it's still it can be
very divisive in the truth community. Yeah, And in twenty twenty, for
me, was not a year where I had a lot of time on my
hands to go down rabbit holes. I was. I was running a business.
We have, you know, there's three partners and there was maybe five
employees at the time, so we were and I two kids in school.
They were doing home you know, all of a sudden, they we're doing
home school. It's like twenty twenty was a year where I didn't have free
time. I was very, very busy basically trying to keep the whole ship
together. And so to me, twenty wasn't a year where I went down
any rabbit holes. But you're right, i'd already. But twenty twenty years
the year where watching it play out in real time, the whole COVID and
vaccine narrative, watching that playout was probably my awakening into this stuff that made
me open to it. And I'll probably say that my wife and I and
our kids are not vaccinated, and at never point did we ever even consider
vaccinating them, and we had tried to figure out alternative plans if we needed
to change schools or anything like that. So, you know, that's amazing
to hear we did the same thing. I never thought I would be a
home school teacher. Yeah, but but again I started. It was a
combination of both, I found out. It started with I'm not going to
give my family an experimental vaccine. But then I also started reading books like
Eustace Mullins Murder by Vaccination. There's a really if you, like I said,
if you're going to go down the germ theory, it's good bye germ
theory, ending a century of medical fraud by doctor William Trebling or treating It's
it's a huge seller. It's believe it or not. It's still an Amazon
by by by some way. But then I started realizing and looking at the
numbers, and again, folks, I'm not a doctor. I don't prescribed
to be. But when you look when Reagan took the vaccine companies off the
hook in nineteen eighty six, and then you saw the schedule just go crazy,
and that's really when autism took off. You know that that was just
my discernment and it was my decision. And yeah, I'm the same way
it's just different priorities. But then I also realized, Joe, was why
do I continue to send my children off for other people to mold their minds?
Because everybody has a motive, even though it may not be intentional,
right, everybody has their own way of life, their own thoughts on life.
And I'm like, why am I continuing to send my children to other
folks? I don't know their moral compass or you know, their personal preferences.
And I took twenty twenty was just a huge change for me, and
that's when I said, I'm just going to take my child's education and everything
and we're going to do it on our own. And I'm glad I did.
And it's a challenge. It's not easy with everything else that goes on.
But I do think sometimes we do outsource too many things maybe that we
shouldn't, and I think we all need to do a better job of that.
But that's just my opinion. I don't disagree. And our kids are
at a Catholic school, so and we were kind of lucky that we chose
that before twenty because once other parents found out that our school was going to
be back in person again, more than everybody was trying to get in,
right, yeah, exactly. There was a mad rush and and now there's
now there's a lot of kids at the school, and I feel, well,
I'm not gonna I'm not going to come in anymore after that. But
it's still a great school. But when you have a lot more kids than
you have teachers for it, it does put a challenge, oh absolutely,
And that that is another issue. And now, you know, some of
the school's down here in Delaware, like one to thirty three, one to
thirty four. You know, here it's one to one, And I know
exactly what's going in her mind for the most part. You know, I
know we're running along in time. But one of the things I did want
to stress on is kind of the Minnesota stuff. And I know pays do
you know one of the things I want to talk about, And this becomes
really personal. So I'm gonna go slow with it a little bit. But
I feel like, especially in Minnesota, like we lost friends. We lost
friends through the Trump stuff pre twenty twenty, and then we lost friends through
twenty twenty. And you know, I remember one friend, a couple friend
they would have gatherings in their backyard, you know, so that everybody gets
social distance, and we weren't invited to any of those, not one well,
and you know, so it's just when we find out them, we
find out about them through the grapevine, and and we know we're being isolated
because we didn't get a vaccine. And it's just I know, these are
those are small examples, but these are childhood friends that we've had our whole
lives. And it's just it's just different. It's just it's sad and it's
real. I can't tell you how many emails I got over the last three
years that that mentioned stories exactly like that one. We lived them firsthand.
Uh, it was isolating, and it can you can kind of feel that
way just being in the truth community. When you break the matrix and you
start living differently, and as I mentioned before, maybe some of the things
that were important to us before weren't very important and you do get kind of
left out of social events like that, and it can be hurtful, especially
when we live in a country where you know, freedom of speech is supposed
to be at the very top of the food chain of the things that we
champion, and then when it came down to it, you know, they
didn't even want people to have physical autonomy. And if you don't have physical
autonomy, you have no hope at freedom. And I saw people in social
media, people I knew, were saying, Hey, maybe we need to
activate the National Guard to vaccinate the people who don't want it, like that
literally saying that that we should we should activate the Delaware National Guards to go
to people's houses or set up like, you know, like a FEMA camp
kind of and you take them out there, you get them vaccinated. And
I mean just you know or wellyan things, big brother, things that you
never thought that you would see in your lifetime. And I said on my
podcast last night on the Fact on her I said that next tuesday, I'm
going to do this huge podcast on COVID again. I try to do it
every six months, and I'm going to play audio from all of it.
And when you hear the things that people said, and we can't. To
me, as a father, as a husband, as someone who served the
country for twenty four years, I have seen previous generations. And I'm not
trying to blame anybody. I'm just saying there's a reason we got to where
we are today, and it's because so many people before us never held anyone
accountable. And if we don't have accountability at the highest levels of government,
then we are setting our children and our grandchildren up for failure. So I
will continue to shout the mantra of holding people accountable for what happened for the
last few years, and I will continue to do so until I don't have
any breath left to take amen. And that's personal for me, because you
know, I don't want to turn this into into anything else, but it's
it's personal to me. And the love of my life lost her job,
and she was the one who was there for people when their husbands and wives
couldn't be there as their loved ones passed. And then a year later she
was not wanted because she didn't want to be part of an experimental vaccination.
So and I still hear a lot of people talk you just talked about Trump,
right, I still hear people saying, well, just wait till November
twenty twenty four. Really, really, we're just going to sit in our
hands for the next eighteen months and forget about everything that happened before. Okay,
sure, if no wonder everything's broke, all right, I totally agree,
And I don't know if your fact hunter has gone down the rabbit hole
of Now this is just my all right. I shouldn't say it's my theory
because it's not a theory. It's just an idea that came into my head.
But is it possible that the COVID virus actually came from Ukraine? Because
I didn't. I think there's a bunch of bio weapons labs in Ukraine and
for some reason, now like your Putin's trying to vail, like why are
we throwing so much money at Ukraine? Now I'm going to get a bunch
of emails saying that I'm an Putin supporterist or somebody. That's not what I'm
trying to say. But it's just I'm trying to connect dots that maybe they
are not connected, and maybe I'm not trying to connect them, but I'm
trying to look at a bigger picture. And my wife said this, dude,
what if we think about Okay, remember the whole debate whether it came
from a wet market or a bioweapons lab. Okay, So which is more
racist to say that a country and a culture got a virus from a wet
market? Because that's their culture, or they have an advanced bioweapons lab that
can build a thing. You know, it's it's kind of funny when you
think about that level, like, well, the wet market seems to be
more of a racist comment than having an danced biolab that could have a virus
escape from it. But what if both of those are just the diversions that
it's actually from a completely different place altogether. Yeah, and that's very interesting
because what they actually even came out and said was these bats that apparently flew
these caves are like one hundred miles away from where these wet markets are.
So the story even gets more and more funny. But there's five theories.
One is, like you said, One is Ukraine that it's acknowledged there's biolabs
there. The second was University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill and doctor Barrick,
I think his name is Ralph Barrick BA or C. Some people believe
Fort Dietrich, Maryland, and I did some research very interesting the summer prior
to so it would have been August September October of twenty nineteen. You can
look on the news to this day. I put a little video together called
COVID origins, and there was a massive illness all around Fort Dietrich in these
retirement communities in July. Even the news clip that the lady says the flu
in July more in a moment. And that was also the summer where the
great vaping illness happened, when everybody was They said people were getting these illnesses
from vaping illnesses, and if you googled what the symptoms were, it was
fever. It was everything that was basically people were getting sick from COVID and
they were blaming it on that. So I for a long time I thought
it was Fort Dietrich and then Wuhan of course right. But the other one
was was the really a virus at all? That that's another one that's out
there as well. Now. I have talked to people, including the guy
who won't speak free radio. He got very sick and he said it's something
like he never had before. He almost died from it, and he said
he had had the flu and illnesses before, but it was something not like
anything he had felt before. So I don't want to be just to say,
oh, it's nothing out there, because to all the people who did
get sick. That might be a little slap in the face, but at
the same time, I wouldn't put anything past these monsters. So that's kind
of the five theories that are out there, but Ukraine is certainly one of
them. It's I mean, we're throwing like hundreds of million dollars every single
week for the last year and a half there, and we're paying for their
pensions not too Yeah, I still I can't process when I hear things like
that that people aren't just up in arms. And it's both sides, which
which means there is heavy money laundering going through Ukraine for the last twenty years,
and there's both sides are afraid of what's actually going to come out.
Oh, if you even google what was the most corrupt country in twenty fifteen
in Europe, Ukraine will be at the top of the list every time.
So I'm gonna make a confession. Is it the first time I'm gonna say
it publicly? Writer? Around December fifth of twenty twenty one, my son
got COVID and you know, he's ten, and we had to quarantine him
for ten to fourteen days whatever the quarantine period was at that time, And
of course Christmas is coming up, and we got school and it was running
around. I remember it going around the school, and so my wife and
I are like, okay. So usually when one of our kids gets it
means the second kid's gonna get sick probably three, four or five days later,
and then that person, that kid's gonna up to quarantine, you know,
and they're not gonna be able to be part of, you know,
the Christmas programs and stuff like that. So we're like, okay, and
then one of us is going to get it, like we're watching the Domino
effect. So what we did, as I told my son, I go,
you breathe in as deeply as you can, and then breathe slowly out
your nose. And as he breathes, as he excelled slowly out his nose,
I inhaled through my nose. We were nose to nose and we did
that as a fing, and uh, all four of us went down.
So I did get it. And you know, we went down like Domino's
one day right after the other. No, it's very possible they were all
we were all going to get it anyway. So I don't know if our
actions actually did that or not. I bet I remember one night being pretty
sick and I turned to my wife and I go, if this is how
I die, it could be the stupiest way anybody ever died. She's personal
all laughter, She's like, noted, all right, But we were both
fine. We were all the family was fine. We were ready, you
know, before Christmas came. We quarantined, you know, we followed all
the rules that were put out there so that we couldn't again. We didn't
want to be accused of these people who didn't take the vaccine or whatever,
but then didn't break the rules either and kind of spread stuff around. We
wanted to, hey, if you if you put a rule out there,
we're gonna follow it, even though we think it's ridiculous, because we don't
want you to point fingers at us in the other direction. And we were
ready to go by Christmas, and we're all good. But it was it's
kind of a funny story. We did it, and my wife said,
she goes, I can't believe we're doing this, and I go, hey,
if we're gonna talk the talk, we gotta walk the walk. She's
like, all right, let's do it. You know, you laugh.
But I remember being a young boy and the neighbor two houses down got chicken
pox and they had a chicken pox party. Yeah, they're like, great,
now you have it. Now you have natural munity. You're good to
go. That's that is kind of again, we've gotten away from this natural
or you know, homeopathic or I forget the terminology, always confuse them,
where we just you get it, your body overcomes it. But the new
medicine is vaccinations, right, that that is the way. And even I
played an audio of Fauci in two thousand and eight when the H one N
one was the big thing that they were going to push. He was on
record of saying there's nothing more effective than natural immunity, actually catching it and
get in overcoming it. That there's nothing more powerful than that. And then
twelve years later, oh no, the most important thing is getting vaccinations.
It's just funny to hear, you know, push these things. I have
two more thoughts. These are these are kind of lessons of life that I
always bring up and my wife finds them funny. I want to call the
money button. The money button is whether it's a celebrity or just well,
actually anybody. When you find your money button, your natural instinct is to
hit the money button as many times as possible without breaking it. And what
I mean by that is, you know, if you're a musician and you
have a certain you know, if you're a band, like let's call it,
like you two, they have a kind of a thing. They have
a sound. You stick with your sound because your sound is the money button.
And once you find somebody's money button, whether it's Fauci or you know,
anybody, or myself or you like, you can kind of watch that.
Our behavior is to keep hitting that money button sometimes even when the facts
present themselves that you probably shouldn't stop doing it. But the reason I say
that is because when somebody is getting success doing something, there's a they don't,
you know, like Faunci, he's not he doesn't want to lose the
limelight like that's his he is, he's there, he doesn't want to stop
hitting the money button over and over and over again. Does that make sense?
It makes perfect sense, one hundred percent. Once you find your niche
and then the money starts coming in, why change anything. And I'm sure
he got tons of money from Fizer from pushing that. And the thing that
was surprising to me when they were starting to give burgers and marijuana and all
these different things away if you get a vaccination. Some places we're giving one
hundred dollars gift cards. And if you have something you know that is so
powerful, that works so good, you don't need any gimmicks to give something
away. If it works that good, that that's when people should have really
seen the red flag. When you know the mayor of New York City sitting
there saying, oh, you get a free cheeseburger with fries and a coke
if you get the vaccine. Just think about how you're saving your life and
you're having a good meal, and just the fraud. And to me again,
the violation of the Nurveber code they violated. If you sit down and
read the Nurnberg code they violated. And again we're just moving on with life.
But hey, that's just me. And I feel like my BS meter
is pretty good. And my BS meter was going on. It was through
the roof so and then the second thing I wanted to talk about was and
this is kind of interesting, especially when you think about you know, politics,
Ivory League celebrity, not celebrities, but Ivy League figures, important figures
you know, like Janet Yellen, Ben Bernanke think people like that. So
this was presented to me by a book that I read, and the series
of books is Jim Records. His first one was Currency Wars, I highly
recommended for for anybody. In his series, he's got like four or five
books that talk about, you know, how currency works and money works and
things like that. But let's use Janet, Janet Yellen and Ben Branaki as
an example. These two people, unless they're in the same room together i
Q wise and schooling wise, there is nobody smarter in the room than those
people, than that particular person, and they know it. So think about
somebody who's always been the smartest in their class, went to the most prestigious
schools, climbed to the highest ranks of their discipline, and now they're running
the FED or you know whatever agency they're running. So again, they're the
smartest person in the room, highest credentials, accolades to the to the very
tip of the pyramid. There's no way, there's no way that they're ever
going to admit they're wrong. Ever. No, Yeah, and there's certainly
no way they're ever going to let somebody like Trump prove them wrong. You're
you're a thousand per sent right now. People in power will say, you
know, well, if they ever want to make apologize for something that sai,
we were wrong. Like when Bill Clinton apologized to the MK Ultra victims
back in nineteen ninety five, he you know, he was apologizing for what
went on way back in the nineteen fifties and sixties. So he was apologizing
on behalf of the monsters who were running things back then. But he could
sure that it wasn't going on today. And then you see people like Al
Roker glitch out on TV and anyway. But it's if they do apologize for
their mistakes, it's they'll they'll use it under the guise of we like,
we all made the mistakes. But yeah, you'll never ever hear anybody like
a Fauci or a Yelling or a Bernaki come out and say I was wrong.
You've got a better chance of a unicorn shooting out of your oven at
dinner tonight. And and also, and you know, I use those two
as examples, but it could be anybody, people's names that we don't even
know. It could be anybody in that profession. But it's one of those
things where like they believe they're right because it's it's almost like an athlete who's
been the best athlete ever, and then they get like it can never be
their faults because they've been the best at what they've done and everything has been
handled them on a silver platter, So how can it possibly you know,
it's not even the realm of possibility that it could be them that's wrong.
And also, especially when you think about that, I'm gonna pick on Ben
b Nanke and Janet yelling again in this instance, If all of that and
maybe even Fauci, if all of your studying and everything that you've done to
get to the very tip of the iceberg or the tip at the top of
the mountain of your discipline, if you've found a crack in it, what
else would that invalid it? So it's almost like your brain can't even let
that happen because then it's going to create crevices and break the whole foundation that
that everything that you understand is even predicated on. And that goes as far
as the current events is. You'll never hear Fiser connect the dots. Most
most people can see what's going on and how they're trying to normalize the illness
and young people with heart conditions. Today we all see it, but you
will never hear fiser because that'll be that'll be a crack on their product that
they'll they'll stand on that hill to the day they die. Yeah. So
I just I want to bring that up because it's it's kind of interesting because
my whether it's my dad, my father in law, my wife, you
know, different different people in my sphere. When they start saying, well,
you know someone, so whether you know Ben BRANANKI was saying this,
I'm like, well, you know. At the same time, like they
have to believe it. They really do, ironically, and this is verifiable.
Who's the Greenspan? So, throughout his tenure as the FED president,
talked about gold as being just a shiny rock that's worthless. However, his
dissertation in grad school was about how gold had to be the central of any
monetary policy, otherwise the monetary policy would collapse. So I think you can
find this on YouTube. Oh I forget, isn't the Tennessee Senator rand Paul.
Rand Paul printed out his dissertation handed it to him one time when he
was under oath and said do you still you know, did you write this?
He said, yes, I did, and he goes, do you
still believe it? He goes every word of it, But he would only
admit that after he was no longer the FED chairman. So it's almost like
when you're in the Fed chairman role, you have to play the role.
Oh for sure. I mean your answer directly to the rothschilds, you will
not go against the grain against anything to say. By the way, what
in the world was Janet Yellen doing in Ukraine? Yeah, I'm speechless of
it. I know there's there's something so okay, so let's let's say add
it's Antarctica, Southern Hemisphere, Ukraine. Those are the three mysteries that if
we could just solve those three mysteries, we'll we'll, we'll, we'll have
all the answers that we need. Yeah, for sure. And I guess
I have two more questions for you. One you kind of already answered,
but i'd still just kind of I like to close them out that way.
And you've been a tremendous guest, and you'd be a great guest for the
fact on her as well, because I have a thousand more questions to ask
you. But how has since you went down the flat earth the rabbit hole?
Has that changed you at all? And if so, how it has?
I think I'm more at peace and I'll and again I'm not even sold
on the flat earth, but it's one of those things where I do go
back to proof of God or if if if not proof if that's the strongest
word. It's like I've always believed in God, but it's it's if it's
more likely than not that it's really real and your own personal salvation is within
your control and there's nothing really to worry about. It really isn't. And
side story from that, I got to witness my aunt and my mom's mom
my grandmother passed away in the last five years or so, and they were
both very religious, both very Catholic, and it is pretty amazing to watch
somebody who's so grounded in their faith, who's lived a long life except not
even accept but welcome moving to the next realm. There was no fear,
there was no scared. It was just it was really an honor to watch
that from a from a standpoint of somebody who lets let somebody who had their
st together, you know, and spiritually, and it was it was pretty
moving to see that. And and so to tie that into the flat earth,
it's like, well, I can have that. Now that that's something
I can have, I don't need to be an anxious person worried about all
of these different things. I can just I can live in my world and
have my relationship with God. And you know, I don't know, so
I don't know if that answers your question or not. So it honestly does.
And that was very powerful. You said it was your aunt and who
I'm sorry that you lost in the last five grandmother. Yeah, and I
lost my father in twenty nineteen and he was the same way. And I
always said that during twenty twenty and twenty twenty one, that people were so
afraid to die that they completely forgot how to live. And I think if
more people were like you know, your aunt, my father, those type
of people who just lived. And you know, if you're truly a Christian
and you know what is on the other side, then we need to take
the things that they You know, we're all human and we all have fears.
You know, we're not superman, got it right, But at the
same time, don't ever, just think about the our forefathers. You think
about all the strug that they went through, the wars they fought to give
us the freedom at least that we think we have today that are on paper,
and how they can take once again going full circle, how they can
you know, weaponize something and completely change the world in just a matter of
a few weeks. Really is what they did. Yeah, and I'll quote
the brave heart line. And my kids they can't stand anymore. They start
tuning me out, or they don't tune me off, but they drowned me
out. When I start doing I'm like, I go, sure, you
can retreat now and live a long life, but on your deathbed, many
many years from now, would you not give up every day in between now
and then to come back to have your freedom? You know? Whatever the
line was. My kids are tired to hear me you say that, But
at some point you have to be strong and stand up for what we've believe
in a thousand percent. And before I ask you the last question, before
I forget, because it's right in front of me, I'll have the link
to this book Currency Wars The Making of the Next Global Crisis by Jane Records.
It was a national best seller, and it really if you want to
learn about how Nixon imposed price controls and went off the gold standards. If
you really want to find out how we got to where we are today,
check out that book. It's available on audiobook, Kendall, paperback. It's
get it and read it. It's just a great book. But I'll ask
you the question that I try to close every podcast out with is how can
we change the course of where we're going? You know, what can we
do? And you can tie it into flat earth as well if you'd like,
But what changes can we make in our life? Wholesale changes to make
things better for our children and the most important thing to get to the truth
of all matters. Great question, and I'm probably not going to answer it
directly because I wanted to mention this earlier in the in the in the podcast
when we were talking nobody wants to be told something. And if we go
around as quote unquote truths and we're telling other people that our truth, and
that implies that they're wrong, or we're awake and they're asleep, they're very
negative positive things associated with that, And you're always going to get somebody on
the defensive if you approach it like that. But I try to do it
as if I can let the other person stumble into the facts on our own.
It's way more powerful than me telling them, because nobody wants to be
told anything. And so the way I go about some of these things is
by curious questions. And sometimes I'll call it playing dumb. It's not really
playing dumb. But you can ask a question you already know the answer to
and you can let them go get the answer. That's that's the way to
do it. Then that was really well said. Was there anything else that
you had that you wanted to mention before we closed? No, that was
it. I think we've covered all the stuff from my email. I enjoy
the podcast, I enjoy your guests. I'm excited for some more of the
stuff that comes in with flat Earth, because I mean, I am fascinated
and highly curious and highly open to everything about it. And tomorrow we will
have David Weisson and there'll be on audio and videos, so you'll get to
see a lot of those type of questions. And I will bring up about
the sun moving in the southern hemisphere, moving, needing to move faster.
I added that to the list while we were talking, so I'll bring that
up to him tomorrow as well for him to opine great things awesome. Well,
Joe, it's been an absolute pleasure. I want to thank you for
the last ninety minutes. You've been a great guest and a lot of great
insight, especially into what in our older years as we look back, two
or twenty twenty is going to be one of those years that we'll remember.
And I appreciate the insight that you delivered to both myself and my listeners and
ladies and gentlemen. Joe's email will be in the show description if you'd like
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Joe, thank you everybody for your continued support. Don't forget tomorrow night our
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Joe. I'm George. Everybody, have a great rest of your week.
God bless you and we will see you