1 00:00:17,199 --> 00:00:21,359 Welcome back everyone to a new episode. If you're wrong with Molly Hemmingway and 2 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:23,960 David Harsani. If you have an email, please send it to the show 3 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,440 at radio at the Federalist dot com. How are you doing, Molly, 4 00:00:27,839 --> 00:00:30,719 I'm doing great, And I do want to say I love the email that 5 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,679 we get on this show. It's the best email. But I get for 6 00:00:33,719 --> 00:00:36,880 any of the shows I do you know, TV, or for writing, 7 00:00:37,799 --> 00:00:40,479 and I read it all. I don't always get to respond to it. 8 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,719 But I am really appreciative for people who take the time. I don't know. 9 00:00:43,759 --> 00:00:50,399 It's like a higher class of reader slash listener. I feel like we 10 00:00:50,439 --> 00:00:54,920 get on this show and that we get such like thoughtful comments and interesting ideas. 11 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:59,399 It's okay, you don't think so, it's all right now. I'm 12 00:00:59,439 --> 00:01:02,840 kidding. I get a lot, we get a lot of thoughtfully emails, 13 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,560 and I though we'll probably get far less than you in general. I am 14 00:01:06,599 --> 00:01:11,120 not I do not. I'm not a big responder to emails because I just 15 00:01:11,159 --> 00:01:18,280 don't want to. I thought this week we'd start with let's talk about that. 16 00:01:18,519 --> 00:01:23,280 Iowa was at the Family Leadership's Family Leadership Summit in Iowa, where Tucker 17 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:27,159 Carlson had most of the candidates, I believe other than Donald Trump, bond 18 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:32,040 to ask them some questions. Were you impressed by that event and what are 19 00:01:32,079 --> 00:01:34,439 your thoughts? I loved it. I can't get to watch all of it, 20 00:01:34,519 --> 00:01:37,359 and some of them I'd like to go back and see the full interview. 21 00:01:37,799 --> 00:01:41,280 It was sort of just it was a nice amount of time that each 22 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:47,040 candidate got. It was a really interesting set of questions for the vast majority 23 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:52,439 of them, and I was struck by how so often when you're doing a 24 00:01:52,519 --> 00:01:57,920 candidate forum done by corporate media, the questions sound like they were written by 25 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:04,359 and for or the Upper East Side of Manhattan, you know, like the 26 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,759 things that matter to those people. And these questions were things that I was 27 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:13,719 really interested in. And it was almost like weird to just get questions and 28 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:20,439 answers that were totally on point for a non left wing audience. Did you 29 00:02:20,479 --> 00:02:27,080 watch it at all? I watched highlights mostly. I dipped in occasionally, 30 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,520 but I mostly watched the highlights on that you know, ran through my Twitter 31 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,000 feed, and I was pretty impressed. I mean, I think the upside 32 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,960 of these interviews, as you say, is that you're going to get someone 33 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:42,319 like Tucker's asking questions that primary voters actually care about. I think there are 34 00:02:42,319 --> 00:02:46,159 pros and cons, you know, in the general you want to I think 35 00:02:46,199 --> 00:02:49,199 you want more questions that can you know, where you can reach out to 36 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,280 voters who aren't voting in primaries. But at this point, yeah, this 37 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:54,000 was much better. Remember a few years ago, maybe a few years ago, 38 00:02:54,039 --> 00:02:58,000 eight years ago or whatever, when we had it's that guy's name at 39 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,400 CNN. He was You were a great calm about it at the time. 40 00:03:00,439 --> 00:03:06,560 You know, I'm talking about the CNN. Oh my god. John Harwood, 41 00:03:06,759 --> 00:03:10,120 Yeah, John Harwood, John, Yeah, goodness. Yeah. Yeah. 42 00:03:10,159 --> 00:03:15,080 So basically you just got questions that left wing Democrats care about, and 43 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:19,280 that is not helpful for primary voters. So yeah, I think it was 44 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:23,000 Even in the in general election candidate forums, I find that the questions tend 45 00:03:23,039 --> 00:03:29,599 to favor left wing audiences, and particularly when it comes to like tricky or 46 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:35,439 tough questions, those always are from the left. It is rare to hear 47 00:03:35,479 --> 00:03:40,919 someone be challenged from the right or just even from a different perspective than what 48 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:46,800 you normally get with left wing journalists. So I really liked it. I 49 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:52,000 I also just kind of found it interesting how entitled some of these candidates seem 50 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:59,280 to feel about whether they can be asked questions or not. Like Asa Hutchinson, 51 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:03,759 I don't entirely understand why he's running, but he was asked questions about 52 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:11,159 his support for chemical castration of miners and genital mutilation surgery for miners, and 53 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,120 he didn't just do a bad job of responding to it. He's like, 54 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,920 I kind of thought we'd talk about more important issues than how, under my 55 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:25,360 leadership I've allowed the children of Arkansas to be irrevocably harmed? Is that how 56 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,560 you say that word? Yeah? Okay, so and it was like, 57 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,759 oh, you thought there was a more important question than that, And like, 58 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,000 even if you did, just what a weird and arrogant way to respond 59 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,759 to it. There's plenty of time to ask a lot of questions. He 60 00:04:35,759 --> 00:04:39,800 can answer that one, if you know, take a minute and explain himself. 61 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,160 But he didn't want to. Oh he's terrible. He's terrible. Maybe 62 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:47,040 it's because I had kind of low expectations, but I thought Nicky Hayley did 63 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:54,360 a fantastic job responding to questions from Tucker. I think you had said on 64 00:04:54,399 --> 00:04:59,279 this podcast that she has like a sing songy way about her, which was 65 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,800 the meanest thing you could say to me, because now like every time I 66 00:05:01,879 --> 00:05:04,959 hear her, I hear you saying that about her. But I thought she 67 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:09,720 kind of handled the questions well had I don't agree with her on a lot 68 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:14,040 of stuff, but I but I felt like she was a competent, quality 69 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:18,480 candidate and she's a polished politician, right, I mean, she's going to 70 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:23,360 get rattled in interviews that often, though, you know, I don't think 71 00:05:23,399 --> 00:05:27,439 she really speaks to the modern Republican voter very much. No, And I 72 00:05:27,439 --> 00:05:31,120 mean I thought Tim Scott was very weak in his answers, like he's really 73 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:35,680 got to be better prepared for some of this. And then Mike Pence of 74 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:43,319 course, had that disastrous turn, which was, you know, it just 75 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,920 was one of those things that like he didn't listen to the question properly, 76 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:50,519 and he got really rattled and kind of angry, and as a result, 77 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:55,800 it made it sound to a lot of people like he was saying he didn't 78 00:05:55,800 --> 00:06:00,199 care about American cities. I think, in context of the moment, if 79 00:06:00,199 --> 00:06:03,800 you're doing a real as much of a good faith read of it as possible, 80 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:12,439 he was saying that something more like he didn't have particular concern about how 81 00:06:12,519 --> 00:06:16,079 we're doing our proxy war in Ukraine, but he thinks we can balance both 82 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:23,480 that proxy war in Ukraine and beginning to care about rotting American cities. Do 83 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,879 you agree with that or no? No, I mean, I don't think 84 00:06:25,879 --> 00:06:28,720 he gave a good answer. I think it's a it's a false choice. 85 00:06:28,759 --> 00:06:30,519 Really, I mean, we wanted to we could do both if we felt 86 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:34,560 like it, but he didn't give a very good explanation of why we should 87 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:39,120 want to do both. I don't think the problems of American cities are happening 88 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,920 because we don't have enough funding to help them or something like that. It 89 00:06:41,959 --> 00:06:44,120 just doesn't make sense to me. But yeah, you're right, I mean, 90 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,160 I think I think we need to remember that Mike Pence has always been 91 00:06:46,319 --> 00:06:50,519 kind of a terrible politician in my view, Like he is really yeah, 92 00:06:50,519 --> 00:06:56,079 he's like I don't know if you like if if you write the word milk 93 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,879 toast and you just you put a picture of his face, like he's no 94 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:04,079 charisma and he I think Trump basically picked the guy who least could threaten him 95 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:09,079 possible in the United States as a politician, and he was a loyal pretty 96 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,639 much a loyal soldier in that in that role for a lord. Let me 97 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,319 just say and I am. I am on record in the Federalist going back 98 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:23,240 to twenty fifteen my problems with Mike Pence. So I'm not some like you 99 00:07:23,279 --> 00:07:26,800 know, Pence lover or whatever, but I thought the choice of him by 100 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:30,319 Donald Trump was a really smart one because a big portion of the Republican Party 101 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:36,839 is motivated by social conservative concern and Mike Pence like spoke to that. I 102 00:07:36,879 --> 00:07:45,519 thought his debates but sorry, his debate against Tim Kaine in twenty sixteen was 103 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,920 brilliant and that's a kind of your only job as the VP candidates. Kind 104 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:55,439 of nailed the debate, and he did a great job of articulating to a 105 00:07:55,480 --> 00:08:01,399 lot of American like articulating for Americans and also like on their behalf why they 106 00:08:01,439 --> 00:08:03,519 were voting for Trump and why they viewed this as like a smart choice to 107 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,040 make. And it really was a big issue. Like went out of four 108 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:11,160 Trump voters in twenty sixteen said they were voting for him for the Supreme Court. 109 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:16,160 You know, Mike Pence articulated this concern that people had, and he 110 00:08:16,199 --> 00:08:22,480 did a good job of representing that person, that group. But my opposition 111 00:08:22,519 --> 00:08:26,000 to him does relate to how he caved on religious liberty in twenty fifteen at 112 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:31,080 a really important time to not cave. Corporations came in and bullied the government 113 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:35,840 of Indiana while he was governor, and he backed down so quickly, and 114 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:41,519 he actually took a pretty good religious liberty situation in Indiana. There was an 115 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:46,679 attempt to improve it, and at the end of the day, Mike Pence 116 00:08:46,759 --> 00:08:50,320 ushered in a complete cave Like that is not what you want to have happening 117 00:08:50,399 --> 00:08:56,200 in a leadership position. So but I still think I think he was a 118 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,559 brilliant choice for twenty sixteen. I don't think it was a terrible choice. 119 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:03,759 I think do no harm with your vice president is the best policy. Or 120 00:09:03,799 --> 00:09:07,559 someone who's going to, you know, someone who has speaks to, like 121 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,960 you say, you know, a faction of your party that you maybe don't 122 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,559 represent that well whatever, like you know. I don't think he was terrible 123 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,559 in that sense. I just don't think he has the kind of charisma to 124 00:09:16,919 --> 00:09:20,440 be a serious presidential I do want to say too, yeah, but I 125 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:24,279 wanted to quickly just pointing that his caving on religious freedom was just a horrible 126 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:30,720 moment, and that should have disqualified him from for speaking for those kind of 127 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,759 social conservatives he does, you know, but most people probably didn't know about 128 00:09:33,799 --> 00:09:37,000 that and don't very much care about that. Frankly. So No, It's 129 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:41,159 actually one of these things that I find very funny when I'm talking to more 130 00:09:41,279 --> 00:09:45,679 left wing corporate media types, is that they are shocked to find out that 131 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:50,639 there are religious conservatives who don't trust Mike Pence in a way that predates, 132 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:54,000 you know, any recent years. They just think like, oh, he's 133 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:58,200 this big evangelical Christian, you guys must be best friends. And it's actually 134 00:09:58,039 --> 00:10:03,240 it's not that way. And but I want to point out as good of 135 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:09,200 a debater as he was in twenty twenty and twenty sixteen, I recently had 136 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,639 someone kind of changed my mind on whether he had done a great job in 137 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:16,759 twenty twenty against Kamala Harris. Like, in retrospect, I thought he did 138 00:10:16,799 --> 00:10:22,279 a really good job that night, But he's, given what we know now 139 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:26,159 about Kamala, don't you think he should have like utterly trounced her in twenty 140 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:30,840 twenty. It's like when people think a team is going to be great, 141 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,360 and then they lose, and everyone, you know, to another team. 142 00:10:33,399 --> 00:10:35,039 Everyone thinks that team is great, but actually just they're just beating sort of 143 00:10:35,159 --> 00:10:39,840 minor league squad. That's kind of what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, 144 00:10:39,879 --> 00:10:43,200 she is not a talented politician either. I don't know. I don't like 145 00:10:43,279 --> 00:10:48,360 politicians in general, So there are very few I feel, or you know, 146 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:52,240 that that talented. But anyway, so what who else there there was? 147 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:56,799 I also thought, yeah, I didn't really watch the vague Ramaswami, 148 00:10:56,879 --> 00:11:01,360 but I did watch clips of Rhonda san and I, and I thought he 149 00:11:01,399 --> 00:11:05,159 did a great job as well. Yeah, I thought so too. So 150 00:11:05,399 --> 00:11:07,639 let me quickly ask since we're on the topic of the Santis. He was 151 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:13,960 interviewed by Jake Tapper of CNN yesterday. I guess, I guess there. 152 00:11:15,039 --> 00:11:18,279 I guess there has been a some upheaval on his campaign, and now they 153 00:11:18,279 --> 00:11:24,039 had this weird raising of Jake Tapper right as a kind of reporter that they 154 00:11:24,039 --> 00:11:26,559 that they want to deal with because he's he's actually a good journalist. They 155 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:30,399 said, yeah, I can, I can speak to this a little bit. 156 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:35,399 So, Yeah, The New York Post put out a story saying that 157 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:39,799 in a total twist, Ron de Santis is going to do this interview with 158 00:11:39,879 --> 00:11:43,480 Jake Tapper. And in that article it had a quote from one of their 159 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:48,080 spokesmen at the Santist campaign saying like, we are willing to work with anyone 160 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:52,960 who's truthful and honest and whatever. And I'm like, uh, then why 161 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:54,879 are you working with Jake Tapper? You know, because that guy's not truthful 162 00:11:54,960 --> 00:12:05,240 or honest. He's behind some of the worst the worst hoaxes journalistic hoaxes of 163 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:09,279 recent memory. He was an instigator of the Russia collusion hoax. He was 164 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:15,720 a big backer of the Kavanaugh serial gang rape theory. You know, he's 165 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:20,320 not a good guy. But I didn't because because I tweeted that, and 166 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:26,559 because if you tweet anything about Desantists other than that you love him. It's 167 00:12:26,639 --> 00:12:30,679 kind of like it was in twenty sixteen. If you said I'm not sure 168 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,399 about Donald Trump, you would all of a sudden have an army of bots 169 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:39,240 or people you know, just like you're you're avorable. And so the Desantists 170 00:12:39,399 --> 00:12:41,720 bought army, came after me, and I'm like, I liked Descantists, 171 00:12:41,759 --> 00:12:46,879 so like, maybe don't come after me for doing a critical Jake Tapper tweet. 172 00:12:46,159 --> 00:12:52,360 But long story short, I learned that that might have been a little 173 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,639 bit mischaracterized by the post. I mean, it was a confusing I don't 174 00:12:58,639 --> 00:13:00,679 want to I didn't talk to the reporter who wrote it, so I need 175 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,799 to. I need to do that too. But it seems like what they 176 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:05,440 were trying to say is, obviously, we're going to talk to CNN and 177 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,799 MSNBC if we need to, and we will actually sort of treat people fine 178 00:13:09,879 --> 00:13:16,000 until they treat us horribly and then it's war. But I didn't watch the 179 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,120 Jake Tapper interview, did you. I was traveling in New York. Yeah. 180 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:24,159 I watched parts of it as well. I thought people over rated Tapper's 181 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:28,720 questions just because he was like semi normal. You know, everyone's like, 182 00:13:28,879 --> 00:13:31,440 whoa, you know, he did a great job, no, you know. 183 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:35,679 He also he was asking about Trump constantly, like that's you know he 184 00:13:35,279 --> 00:13:39,320 you know it was. He wasn't as good as Tucker in getting to the 185 00:13:39,919 --> 00:13:43,679 issues that Republicans actually care about right now, but it wasn't terrible. And 186 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,399 I thought the Santis from what I saw, did a very good job. 187 00:13:46,759 --> 00:13:52,039 He's also quite polished, I think, and disciplined kind of candidate once he 188 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:56,279 gets once he has an issue that he understands a lot and knows about it 189 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,360 has and stands out for us. So I, you know again, I 190 00:13:58,399 --> 00:14:01,240 think he's talent did and I thought he did a good job. And I 191 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:05,480 am definitely a fan of getting out there and mixing it up with people who 192 00:14:05,519 --> 00:14:11,480 are trying to you know, war on the left, which Tapper is The 193 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:16,639 Watchdoldo on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski. 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If they're real or not, like the Scantist war room Maga war 203 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:58,559 room kind of things where they put out good clips of their candidate, And 204 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:03,720 they did one this week for Descantis, which was him addressing a large crowd 205 00:15:03,879 --> 00:15:07,200 in Iowa, and a woman got up and said that she was brought there 206 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:11,919 by her rep that she's a big Trump fan. But then she kind of 207 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:16,879 did this thing about how, based on her heart, she's one hundred percent 208 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:22,799 Trump, but if she were to be thinking with her head, she thought 209 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:28,080 that Deciantis had done a good job of making the case as well. I 210 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:33,639 hate the idea that there is a hearthead dichotomy here. I mean, ideally 211 00:15:33,879 --> 00:15:41,159 you're into your candidate for both reasons. I understand why some people would say, 212 00:15:41,399 --> 00:15:43,399 like I hear that all these establishment people say, oh, if you're 213 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,919 supporting Trump, you're not thinking with your head, And it's like, well, 214 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:48,720 when I talk to Trump supporters, they're you know, I'm not saying 215 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,759 they're not angry. They're angry at what's been done to them and their candidate, 216 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,799 but they're thinking rationally. And I hate it when we act like people 217 00:15:56,799 --> 00:16:00,399 aren't thinking rationally when they support this candidate or together anyway, Rond de Santis 218 00:16:00,639 --> 00:16:06,679 responds something like, I hear you. You know, I also agree that 219 00:16:06,799 --> 00:16:11,240 what was done to our former president is reprehensible and what has happened with the 220 00:16:11,279 --> 00:16:17,519 weaponization of law enforcement Department of Justice is like awful and we have to stop 221 00:16:17,559 --> 00:16:19,320 it. And that's why I'm running. I'm running for that, like this 222 00:16:19,399 --> 00:16:22,879 is about you, not me, and I'm going to do it. And 223 00:16:22,919 --> 00:16:26,879 I was like, oh, this was my idea of what kind of campaign 224 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,720 he would run. And to me, the only way that you can actually 225 00:16:29,759 --> 00:16:36,080 win the Republican primary is to like the big elephant in the room. In 226 00:16:36,159 --> 00:16:41,039 the elephant room is the treatment of the former president and whether you think it's 227 00:16:41,039 --> 00:16:42,639 okay and you have to accept it and just move on, or whether you 228 00:16:42,679 --> 00:16:45,840 don't think you have to accept the destruction of these norms and all this stuff. 229 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:52,240 And you can't be on the side of the Republican voter if you're trashing 230 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:56,480 the person who's doing it. Now, I totally get why people are enraged 231 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:04,200 that they can't trash Trump given that he's trashing them or I totally get that, 232 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:10,160 but that's just the nature of the situation, and there is some respect 233 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:15,279 earned by actually winning a presidential election and going through what was gone through what 234 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:19,319 he went through, and achieving so much that he accomplished given that he was 235 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:23,920 fighting everyone, including half the Republican Party, Like, there's just respect ode 236 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:29,079 there, I think is the perspective of a lot of Republican voters. And 237 00:17:29,759 --> 00:17:33,160 that little snippet from the manga or from the Ronda Santist war Room was the 238 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:40,240 first time I'd actually seen it in action, even tried. But I do 239 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:44,039 not see the discipline with that. I see a lot of sniping, even 240 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:51,119 when it's like sandwiched between excellent comments, like the only answer for Joe Biden 241 00:17:51,279 --> 00:17:56,680 trying to imprison his top political opponent is as Kevin McCarthy said, that's cow 242 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:03,440 excrement, that's what you say. And instead he was like, this is 243 00:18:03,519 --> 00:18:07,839 wrong. Of course Trump is also bad and this is wrong. That's not 244 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,240 going to cut it like that doesn't know where to aim your freaking fire, 245 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:17,519 buddy. Yeah, I have no problem with the comment he made it because 246 00:18:17,519 --> 00:18:19,519 it was truthful. I don't know how it's going to play with Trump voters. 247 00:18:19,559 --> 00:18:22,880 I would say this too. We have to remember the Trump is the 248 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:27,599 effective incumbent, a gigantic personality that had a lot of voters give him the 249 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:33,079 kind of personal loyalty that most candidates can never have, and it's going to 250 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:34,720 be very hard to beat him, no matter how what Desanta says, no 251 00:18:34,839 --> 00:18:37,519 matter what he does, and no matter how good he is. And I 252 00:18:37,599 --> 00:18:42,599 think his main argument should be I can finish the job that Trump said he 253 00:18:42,799 --> 00:18:47,599 was going to do because I'm more competent. I've done it here in Florida, 254 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:51,400 et cetera, et cetera. You know, But him saying, you 255 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:56,720 know, I don't know. I don't understand the hard argument in politics very 256 00:18:56,839 --> 00:19:00,480 much, so I don't really get the I don't really get the love of 257 00:19:00,519 --> 00:19:04,240 Trump, so it's very difficult for me to understand why that would be offensive 258 00:19:04,279 --> 00:19:08,799 to anyone. I have this issue with them with Rhonda Santis, like so 259 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:14,319 many people I talked to are like, feel that he's weird, you know, 260 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:18,599 basically interacting with him, and I'm like, who cares? He's he 261 00:19:18,799 --> 00:19:22,839 is weird and I don't don't care, right, But then I have to 262 00:19:22,839 --> 00:19:26,759 remember that, like all my friends are autistic, and I'm a weirdo myself, 263 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,240 so I'm not the you know, because people who are really good political 264 00:19:30,279 --> 00:19:33,960 analysts that I trust say that when they see different people interact. Like Bill 265 00:19:34,039 --> 00:19:40,640 Clinton was magical on the campaign trail, Donald Trump magical comes off Air Force 266 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:45,400 one or comes off Trump Force one immediately like best friends with the union workers 267 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:49,000 who are meeting him off the plane. You know, that is real charisma. 268 00:19:49,079 --> 00:19:53,400 That is very rare. Even Barack Obama had an effect on crowds. 269 00:19:55,240 --> 00:20:00,359 Mitt Romney not so much, you know, you know, like in movies 270 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,960 when they have like a sociopath and he's like pretends smile because that's what he 271 00:20:04,039 --> 00:20:07,160 thinks he needs to do. That's how I am when I talk about charisma 272 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:11,359 in candidates and stuff like, I don't actually see it in any real wake 273 00:20:11,559 --> 00:20:14,920 or care. I would vote for a robot if they did what I wanted, 274 00:20:15,039 --> 00:20:18,559 But I will say that so I try to understand it. And obviously, 275 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,119 someone like Bill Clinton I thought was just amazing at connecting with people. 276 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:26,160 He just like instinctively understood what he needed to say to a crowd or a 277 00:20:26,279 --> 00:20:32,920 person and it was completely fake, right, but he knew how to do 278 00:20:33,039 --> 00:20:37,039 it. And I think one of my blind spots and was a blind spot 279 00:20:37,079 --> 00:20:41,039 in twenty sixteen when I thought Trump would lose, was that I didn't understand 280 00:20:41,079 --> 00:20:45,640 how he was connecting with a lot of folks. And I don't know that 281 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,519 the Santis has that talent, frankly, but maybe he does. I don't 282 00:20:48,559 --> 00:20:49,799 know. And you know, you can get better at it, obviously, 283 00:20:49,839 --> 00:20:52,839 politicians get better at it. But I think Trump, just from his background, 284 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,119 has always sort of had that. Yeah, but that's another thing I 285 00:20:56,200 --> 00:21:00,920 do think. You know, people always talking about how Rondo Santis wasn't well 286 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,319 liked on the Hill. By the way, that's another thing I like about 287 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,400 him. They're like, he wasn't buddy buddy with the losers on the Hill. 288 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:11,359 It's like, it's, okay, I like that he didn't like DC, 289 00:21:11,039 --> 00:21:18,720 but he but it is true that he was noticeably. He's improved noticeably 290 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:25,880 in how he interacts with donors and with voters. Then when I first encountered 291 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:27,079 him when he was on the Hill, and you know what happens when you 292 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,680 have a candidate like Mitt Romney was where he was. He's not a real 293 00:21:30,759 --> 00:21:33,119 conservative. I think he's just sort of an a political technocrat type, right. 294 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,799 They tried to make him into a conservative, and he'd say things like 295 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:41,160 I am a severe conservative or whatever he said, and it just makes him 296 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,559 come off like he's not genuine. You know. I think you have to 297 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:51,240 somehow figure out who a person is and nurture and that part of them, 298 00:21:51,279 --> 00:21:53,240 and like, let the Santis be the Santis he is the way he is, 299 00:21:53,319 --> 00:21:56,200 Let him just be the way he is, and people either going to 300 00:21:56,279 --> 00:21:59,920 like him or not. You can't fake charisma. You can't fake a town. 301 00:22:00,079 --> 00:22:03,519 Went to connect with people on a personal level either or be a retail 302 00:22:03,559 --> 00:22:07,720 politician. You are or you aren't. So I don't know. Yeah, 303 00:22:07,799 --> 00:22:12,240 I think that there's truth to that too. And I also feel like he 304 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:21,519 had some really good advisors and instincts when he first managed to win the Republican 305 00:22:21,599 --> 00:22:25,720 nomination for governor and also that race, and I know he won it like 306 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:34,680 a monster in twenty twenty two, Is that right? But I feel like 307 00:22:34,799 --> 00:22:41,119 something has changed in his instinctual approach or I feel almost like his advisors are 308 00:22:41,279 --> 00:22:45,680 making him be different than he is. Or maybe maybe I'm just wrong and 309 00:22:45,759 --> 00:22:48,160 he was always this way. I don't know. I think you're right. 310 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,799 It'd be interesting to watch. It's like if you and I are talking somewhere 311 00:22:52,079 --> 00:22:56,519 right, there's an ease in which we can talk to each other. But 312 00:22:56,599 --> 00:22:59,559 when you get on TV for most of us, at least perhaps not professionals 313 00:22:59,599 --> 00:23:02,799 like yourself, you know, you you tense up, right, you tense 314 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,319 up a little, And maybe that's what's happening in the early going here. 315 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:11,279 So we'll see. Um, let's switch topics for a second. Can we 316 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:17,640 talk about Tommy Tubberville for a minute and this hole? Hold on? Yeah, 317 00:23:18,319 --> 00:23:19,720 you have something else to Yeah, but no, that's great. I 318 00:23:19,759 --> 00:23:22,559 want to talk about Smilse but that's okay. Yeah, so what about Tommy 319 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,480 Tubberville. So I just wanted to point out, like I was reading, 320 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,400 I wrote about this week, So I just wanted to mention that I am 321 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,400 not actually a fan of the guy. I don't I don't know much about 322 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,880 him, but he's just not my type of guy. But the attacks he's 323 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:42,480 gotten on numerous issues are so dishonest that it is driving me crazy. And 324 00:23:42,599 --> 00:23:47,319 the number one thing that's driving me crazy is this idea that he's somehow brought 325 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:51,799 the culture war to the military by holding up all these promotions I think. 326 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,799 Unfortunately, I saw Hugh Hewitt writing a column about how he should let go 327 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,640 of that hold as well. He's holding up all this stuff because Joe Biden 328 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,079 decided I did, after forty five years, to start paying for people's elective 329 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:07,359 abortions in the military. He is completely within his rights and he should continue 330 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,640 this fight. And you know, until they pulled us, they are the 331 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,200 ones who have injected culture this culture war. It's not even a culture war 332 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,680 issue, it's a life issue into the military. So I don't know, 333 00:24:17,759 --> 00:24:18,799 I just felt like I wanted to defend the guy, even though, you 334 00:24:18,839 --> 00:24:22,640 know, even though I'm not a big fan. Yeah, I know. 335 00:24:23,039 --> 00:24:26,960 Sean Davis and I were joking about how weird it is to be doing so 336 00:24:26,079 --> 00:24:30,039 much to speak in favor of what Tubberville's doing, given that we're not huge 337 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,759 you know, it's not he's not like our kind of guy or whatever. 338 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:40,279 But he's showing surprising resolve here. He's showing surprising amount of principle, and 339 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:44,200 when people do that, they should be defended. One of the most appalling 340 00:24:44,319 --> 00:24:48,079 things about his principal stand is that he's not only having to fight Biden and 341 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,839 the media and other Democrats, but he's having to fight people in his own 342 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:59,519 party. There was an article this week about how Senate Republicans are worried that 343 00:24:59,599 --> 00:25:04,039 conser of populism is taking over the party, and as examples of this were 344 00:25:04,079 --> 00:25:07,400 like, well, voters are concerned about the weaponization of law enforcement at the 345 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:14,599 Department of Justice, they care about election integrity, and Tommy Tuberville is putting 346 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,079 a hold on military promotions because of this crazy radical thing that Biden did. 347 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:22,200 And it was like, literally, none of that is populism. It's all 348 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:30,119 principled. And it is true though that Tombobville has had to fight Mitch McConnell 349 00:25:30,319 --> 00:25:33,000 on this, Like in a perfect world, Mitch McConnell and his little minions, 350 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:37,559 John Cornyn and John Thune would be would be the ones actually leading the 351 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,880 charge, you know, giving everybody different tasks for how to actually stop this 352 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:47,359 ridiculous thing that Biden is doing, and instead they're battling the one guy who's 353 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:51,160 actually standing up to do something about it. I think Mike Lee has also 354 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:56,720 done good stuff on this topic too. The entire House Republican you know, 355 00:25:57,559 --> 00:26:03,880 roup managed to stand on this, but we can't expect that of Mitch McConnell, 356 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:07,039 John Thune and John Cornyn, who are going to like left wing media 357 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:15,160 to trash Tuberville like this is insane, it's not politically insane. It's insane 358 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,759 as a matter of principle, and it is wrong. John Kirby or whatever 359 00:26:18,839 --> 00:26:22,000 his name is, the real Press secretary who always comes in when things are 360 00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:26,000 tricky, and Queen John Pierre like it is taking her idiocy too far. 361 00:26:26,519 --> 00:26:32,599 He said, we have to pay for members abortions because it's a sacred duty 362 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:37,279 to help kill unborn children, and that for mission preparedness. If we're not 363 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,039 able to help kill unborn children, we have like betrayed our members. I'm 364 00:26:41,079 --> 00:26:47,240 like, I'm not surprised we're having trouble with recruitment or winning wars or anything, 365 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,119 given that this is who's at the top here. But he's right. 366 00:26:49,279 --> 00:26:53,359 Abortion is a sacred right among on the left. It is perhaps the most 367 00:26:53,400 --> 00:27:00,240 sacred right on the left. R I And and he's just being on But 368 00:27:00,279 --> 00:27:06,480 I will say this. They are constantly saying. Look either the subtexts implied 369 00:27:06,599 --> 00:27:11,880 or stated is that look at these extremists, MAGA senators who are fighting for 370 00:27:11,039 --> 00:27:15,440 abortion, Like this is a new issue that just popped up in twenty sixteen 371 00:27:15,559 --> 00:27:19,039 and hasn't been you know, so it hasn't been around since since Roe was 372 00:27:19,559 --> 00:27:23,559 first ruled. I've noted this on Twitter at one point. I've noted that 373 00:27:23,839 --> 00:27:27,079 every time people talk about Trump like he's some kind of or Trump fans like 374 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:33,279 they're extremists, that he is literally one of the more moderate Republican domestic presidents 375 00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:36,839 in a long time. Frankly, and you know, my concern with Trump, 376 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,640 one of my main concerns that he's not conservative enough, right, But 377 00:27:40,759 --> 00:27:44,119 they make it out to be extremism. So some semaphore reporter says, like, 378 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:48,079 it's too bad, you know, he put these judges on the court 379 00:27:48,279 --> 00:27:49,960 and now he is the face of the pro life movement. Like they can't 380 00:27:51,079 --> 00:27:55,960 think of any issue without making it about Trump. They literally can't write anything 381 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,839 or think about anything without making a Trump. They're as bad as the most 382 00:28:00,039 --> 00:28:03,839 do you know crazed Trump fan who can't think about the world without Trump? 383 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,480 And it is it. Really you can't have a debate anymore. You can 384 00:28:07,559 --> 00:28:10,920 only debate Trump. They will not let you debate anyone else. We haven't 385 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,200 talked about my journey through scripture recently, but I've made it through the I'm 386 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,720 at the beginning of second chronicles right now, and it actually makes me laugh 387 00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:22,440 that people would view this is like a problem that someone who's not known as 388 00:28:22,519 --> 00:28:27,240 a moral great like Donald Trump would be the most pro life president in history. 389 00:28:27,599 --> 00:28:30,759 But when you read these Old Testament stories that happens all the time, 390 00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:37,480 that someone who's like personally got great moral failings manages to save Israel or even 391 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:44,839 help Israel or the people of Israel be more faithful to God. It's like 392 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,119 a story as old as time. And who does Jesus bring around him? 393 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,799 You know, all these former sinners and stuff, right, I mean, 394 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,759 it's not like, you know, you spoke for the Old Testament. I 395 00:28:55,799 --> 00:28:59,400 spoke for the New test But I'm even saying that they are current sinners who 396 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:00,960 are doing good course, you know what I mean, Like the people who, 397 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,880 at the same time their life is a little bit of a mess, 398 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,440 they're also doing good work. Like, it's not that shocking. A lot 399 00:29:07,519 --> 00:29:10,440 of great men in history have been deeply flawed, and when we were like, 400 00:29:10,839 --> 00:29:15,240 imagine that someone deeply flawed could accomplish great things. It's like this weird 401 00:29:15,759 --> 00:29:22,240 American evangelical thing that thought that you only could be great if you were like 402 00:29:23,359 --> 00:29:26,880 a perfect Baptist or something. I don't even get it exactly. Donald Trump 403 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:32,720 is the most important pro life president in history, whether he planned it that 404 00:29:32,839 --> 00:29:37,319 way, whether he really believes it, dear yeah, most effective in his 405 00:29:37,559 --> 00:29:40,440 core, or he doesn't believe it, or he's a hypocrite. I couldn't 406 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:45,960 care less. I care about getting it done. So, speaking of the 407 00:29:45,079 --> 00:29:49,319 court, if I may just very quickly, there have been a number I 408 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,960 will talk about this every week, but there have been a number of smears 409 00:29:52,039 --> 00:29:56,519 against Clarence Thomas in the court. Again, it keeps happening. And I 410 00:29:56,599 --> 00:30:00,160 wrote this piece because I believe that it reminds me very much of the of 411 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,880 the Russia collusion hoax. And tell me if I'm right here, you have 412 00:30:03,079 --> 00:30:10,559 activist groups create this mythology, create conspiracies where none are. They launder these 413 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,839 things through the media. They spread it out among many different media out let's 414 00:30:14,839 --> 00:30:17,839 to make it look like everyone's working on this big story. It's all over, 415 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:22,319 it's widespread. Then the same activists hand those stories over to the politicians, 416 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,279 and then the politicians pretend that something terrible is happening that we must investigate 417 00:30:26,319 --> 00:30:30,319 and we must deal with and we must pass legislation on It is the same 418 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:36,640 formula. It is equally a hoax. So anyway, I don't know it 419 00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:40,039 angers me No. I mean, we live in the age of the information 420 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:45,119 op. That's what We're all being subjected to information ops all the time. 421 00:30:45,559 --> 00:30:48,039 Once you see it, you can't stop seeing it. And I remember that 422 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:53,440 for me, the time I realized that these were all like planned political pr 423 00:30:53,559 --> 00:30:59,119 campaigns was with Sandra Flock. Do you remember that person? No, oh 424 00:30:59,319 --> 00:31:02,480 yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, fuk I think what's her 425 00:31:02,519 --> 00:31:06,160 name? Yeah, it looks like Fluke, but it's Fluck and she um. 426 00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:11,599 She was a Georgetown law student and the issue was whether Obamacare would would 427 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:21,000 compel religious groups to pay for a bordifacians and she was brought out by what 428 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,279 is that? Oh my gosh, I want to say Anita done? Is 429 00:31:25,319 --> 00:31:32,240 that right? Who his favorite philosopher? Her favorite philosopher was MAO Chairman Mail. 430 00:31:33,599 --> 00:31:37,920 So it was like this perfectly orchestrated campaign in which the media, Democrats, 431 00:31:38,039 --> 00:31:41,720 and other left wing activists all work together. So there was a hearing 432 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,880 on religious liberty. I think Republicans actually organized the hearing. You had the 433 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:52,599 heads of major religious organizations talking about the importance of religious liberty in how they 434 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,559 run their you know, their synautical offices, their colleges, their schools, 435 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:01,319 and then the Democrats had like a little panel of people, including Anita Dunn's 436 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:07,279 hand picked pr OP Sandra Fluck, who came out and was like, I 437 00:32:07,599 --> 00:32:09,640 need a bortifacians, but not to kill babies, because you know, some 438 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:15,079 one of these like I am a perfectly picked person who has a medical diagnosis 439 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:20,240 that requires me to get this type of drug which ninety nine point percent time 440 00:32:20,279 --> 00:32:22,559 is used for this, but like wouldn't be from RS. I don't remember 441 00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:28,960 all the details. Then Jake Tapper and other media people like just ran ran 442 00:32:29,079 --> 00:32:32,039 the infoop like can you believe these people are trying to deny life saving medical 443 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:40,960 care because they because they have retrograde views about preserving onborn human life. Jake 444 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,920 Tapper mentioned his wife was a big professional. Yeah, I think he forgot 445 00:32:47,079 --> 00:32:50,759 to do that, but he's such a truthful and honest person. You can 446 00:32:50,839 --> 00:32:53,200 really he asks good questions one out of one hundred times, so you can 447 00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:57,960 pretty much just lay down and let him do whatever he wants. And then 448 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,240 the Democrats ran their their campaign that year on war on women. It was 449 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:07,119 all coordinated, it was all like highly focused group tested everything, and like 450 00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:10,720 once I saw it, and I saw it because I'm Lutheran Church Missouri Senate 451 00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:15,200 and the president of our church, but we're very apolitical. But the president 452 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,920 of our church body testified in that hearing, so like I saw it happening. 453 00:33:19,079 --> 00:33:21,400 I remember I told him, I don't think this will be a controversial 454 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:27,000 hearing or something. You're fine. I was wrong, and then just sort 455 00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:29,599 of like see it all go, and like there's nothing you can do to 456 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,039 stop it because the media, the Democrats and all left wing activists which are 457 00:33:32,079 --> 00:33:37,839 funded by like not even American billionaires in some case, but global millionaires. 458 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,759 It was all just like an operation that was flawlessly executed. And this is 459 00:33:40,839 --> 00:33:46,119 why, you know, having a media that is so intimately embed with the 460 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:51,279 left wing activists is such a problem because it affects like our elections and their 461 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,319 integrity that they can just run info ops all the time. The Supreme Court 462 00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:59,279 thing is an info op they are trying to destroy. I mean, that's 463 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,880 so are trying to destroy the legitimacy of the Court and take it over because 464 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:06,799 they're really upset that it's the one institution that they haven't been able to control 465 00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:09,599 because it's like the one thing that conservatives have sort of effectively said, what 466 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:15,199 if we tried to save the country by having justices who actually cared about the 467 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:20,239 constitution. It's worked well, And they don't want to spend fifty years working 468 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,960 to persuade and convey. They just want to use the power of force to 469 00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:29,920 like run, like you know, CIA level info up on people. Like 470 00:34:30,039 --> 00:34:32,559 the other day there was a story in The Guardian about how and this is 471 00:34:32,599 --> 00:34:38,679 the wording, Clarence Thomas took seven payments from former clerks at a restaurant, 472 00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:42,000 whatever it turned out. And I knew when I read it, and I 473 00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:45,159 wrote this in a piece that they didn't give you the amounts because it would 474 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,000 make you laugh at the whole story. But turned out the amount was twenty 475 00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:52,360 dollars. One of the most of the payments around twenty dollars, but that 476 00:34:52,599 --> 00:34:57,239 you know, because he was having dinner with former clerks, like reunions during 477 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,719 Christmas and stuff like this. These are so clear early hit pieces that anyone 478 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,559 with a brain would know it. So what they do is they spread out 479 00:35:04,599 --> 00:35:07,440 a whole bunch of them to create the impression that there's something going on where 480 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:12,880 there's nothing going on. There just hits you were about to say. You 481 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,039 said you want to talk about something else before and I interrupted you. Yeah, 482 00:35:15,079 --> 00:35:17,760 I wanted to talk to you. We were so happy this week you 483 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:23,000 got to sign a statement, and you were so happy you got to sign 484 00:35:23,039 --> 00:35:27,000 it. So I wanted you to give everyone an opportunity to talk about this 485 00:35:27,159 --> 00:35:35,039 important thing you did of signing the Freedom Conservatism Statement of Principles. So I 486 00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:37,800 want to say this. I believe this is the first time I signed any 487 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:42,000 statement or any document or anything ever in my life. Like I don't think 488 00:35:42,039 --> 00:35:45,639 I've ever done it. It's not typically in my nature. But I read 489 00:35:45,679 --> 00:35:46,760 it and I liked it, and I was speaking to someone about it, 490 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:51,079 and you know, I decided to participate and put my name on there. 491 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:59,280 It's pretty innocuous statement of neutral principles of free market economics of things like that. 492 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,480 I don't think you probably even disagree with anything in this statement. I 493 00:36:01,519 --> 00:36:07,440 would say, I am not a statement signer. I just don't see the 494 00:36:08,039 --> 00:36:12,440 benefit of doing it, or like the amount of time it takes to like 495 00:36:12,559 --> 00:36:15,400 read through and like figure out what's actually going on in this statement whatever. 496 00:36:15,639 --> 00:36:19,480 Just and I'm I'm not a good joiner. I am a very gen x 497 00:36:19,559 --> 00:36:22,280 person. I don't join, so I don't sign statements. But when I 498 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,800 read it, I actually, yeah, I did not really have a problem 499 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:31,920 with any of it, but I did. I felt like there was like 500 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:37,360 this additional commitment that you had to agree to that I didn't love. But 501 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,679 I don't have the wording in front of me. Maybe you do, maybe 502 00:36:39,679 --> 00:36:44,480 you've already framed the statement that you've signed on your wall to make sure that 503 00:36:44,519 --> 00:36:50,440 you uphold the commitment. But I said something like we we recognize that, 504 00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:59,400 like we particularly want to have descendants of slavery to have the benefit of these 505 00:37:00,559 --> 00:37:02,519 principles, or something like. Yeah. That was my, I would say, 506 00:37:02,559 --> 00:37:06,400 my least favorite part of it. But I think it was fine in 507 00:37:06,519 --> 00:37:10,679 that it said that, you know, it basically proposes that people who who 508 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:16,440 were brought here, who didn't have a fair shake originally in this country can 509 00:37:16,639 --> 00:37:20,920 rely on a good meritocracy to get ahead, that they don't need the government 510 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,719 and the state to do special favors for them, and that the other part 511 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:28,239 of that statement was that racism is wrong in all its forms, meaning affirmative 512 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,280 action, etc. I'm fine with the statement. My main reason for signing 513 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:36,039 the statement it was because I am I believe that not all, because it's 514 00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:38,719 such an umbrella term. There are moderate people involved in this movement, and 515 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:44,880 then there are what I believe are basically just authoritarians involved in the National Conservatism 516 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,599 movement, and I wanted to distinguish myself from that. I think it's important 517 00:37:47,639 --> 00:37:52,000 to uphold neutral principles. I don't think that most of those people believe in 518 00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:54,599 that, and if this is the future fight, I wanted to take a 519 00:37:54,679 --> 00:37:58,360 side. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I'm not a big 520 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,880 signer of statements my self, but this isn't a political statement to me. 521 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,880 It's just a statement of principles that I believe in, and I was fine 522 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,760 with it some of the people who have come on and signed the statement since 523 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:12,679 I think I like less than a lot of the people who had initially signed 524 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,719 the statement, because I believe they're frauds and don't really believe in these principles. 525 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:22,119 But that's a different story. So my thing. One thing I don't 526 00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:25,559 understand about conservatives, and I'm not you know, I'm kind of a latecomer 527 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:30,440 to conservatism. I've always been a classical liberal. I've had a great deal 528 00:38:30,519 --> 00:38:36,360 of frustration with the conservative movement. Obviously it was like libertarian for a very 529 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,360 long period of time, so I wasn't like intimately familiar with them, but 530 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:45,760 I always feel like they're really good at making statements and very bad at executing 531 00:38:46,559 --> 00:38:52,039 policy that helps people or like the you know, the politics, the policy 532 00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:57,679 process of it. Like I almost have like a little twitch when people are 533 00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,639 like, oh, we signed a statement. I, by the way, 534 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,599 like a lot of the people who signed it, and I have high regard 535 00:39:04,679 --> 00:39:07,519 for them, And I am also concerned about how some of this, like 536 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:14,599 national conservatism, doesn't seem to have to be their naive in their lack of 537 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:21,599 love for how markets have enabled so many good things in not just our country, 538 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:27,320 but in human flourishing in general. They also politically naive and believing that 539 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,280 they can get a coalition together to move forward on a lot of things they 540 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:37,360 believe. I think that they they they disregarding kind of the neutrality of government 541 00:39:37,519 --> 00:39:40,039 or you know, ideal you know, ideally the neutrality of government is a 542 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:45,440 very counterproductive thing for social conservatives, who are now in a more and working 543 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:52,239 class, who are now in a bigger minority than ever to achieve I think 544 00:39:53,679 --> 00:39:57,880 not naive I think they actually believe. I think that this is something that's 545 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,400 that's good and that they that is u important for people to recognize, which 546 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:07,199 is when you say you're neutral in a government battle and the left is like, 547 00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:09,079 by the way, we're going to take over everything and destroy you, 548 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:14,159 you're just basically laying down arms and you're also making it much easier for them 549 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:19,639 if you believe that government can be used to accomplish public good, which is 550 00:40:19,679 --> 00:40:24,239 different than saying that you don't you know like that you think like a big 551 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:29,920 government is great or anything like that. But there is a naivetate about neutrality. 552 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,480 I think that there is no such thing as neutrality on some of these 553 00:40:32,559 --> 00:40:40,079 issues, and that if you actually articulated a robust vision for how to take 554 00:40:40,159 --> 00:40:45,760 the government of buying for the people and have it preserve good things, that 555 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:51,440 that would be more exciting for people than the sort of milk toast Paul Ryan 556 00:40:51,679 --> 00:40:54,960 approach to we don't really have anything to offer you but vote for us. 557 00:40:55,079 --> 00:41:00,440 You know. It's just like there's no compelling statement there, but there might 558 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:09,639 be for people who are for a limited but value laden government. I think 559 00:41:09,679 --> 00:41:15,199 that's a good debate for another time, for us. I want that. 560 00:41:16,039 --> 00:41:21,920 When Ovic put out his tweets saying that he was honored to announce the publication 561 00:41:22,039 --> 00:41:25,559 of this Freedom Conservatism Statement of Principles, signed by over eighty leaders of the 562 00:41:25,639 --> 00:41:31,519 liberty movement, it was interesting to see some of the different responses. So, 563 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,480 you know, like Q Hewitt says, this is a very fine statement, 564 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:42,400 um, but he thought it should say more about property rights. Tim 565 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,000 Andrew said he was proud to be a signatory, Van Skin proud to be 566 00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:50,079 are glad to be a signatory, And a lot of people were saying that 567 00:41:50,159 --> 00:41:53,039 they that they like it. But then there were some just normal people who 568 00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:55,519 were weighing in on it, and I thought it was interesting what they said. 569 00:41:55,599 --> 00:42:00,039 So Conjunction seventy seven says, I don't disagree with any particular thing in 570 00:42:00,119 --> 00:42:04,920 the statement, but that's missing the forest for the trees. It's so many 571 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:09,239 glittering generalities like the Bourbon Kings. The signatories have learned nothing and forgotten nothing. 572 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:16,480 A perfect statement for a world where it's nineteen eighty seven forever. There 573 00:42:16,559 --> 00:42:22,000 was something else I wanted to see a lot of people saying here. Shar 574 00:42:22,119 --> 00:42:27,000 Thakur says the statement is dumb and basically provides nothing new or interesting. The 575 00:42:27,039 --> 00:42:30,320 whole idea is to preserve liberty, but it doesn't even define what they think 576 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:37,400 that concept means. Yes, not a single mention of faith, God, 577 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:47,039 Scripture or Christ like the Constitution. Let me say this, I guess once 578 00:42:47,079 --> 00:42:52,360 again, reading this document is like this is Za Gilani once again. Reading 579 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:57,119 this document is like a dispatch from one of those Japanese soldiers who is guarding 580 00:42:57,119 --> 00:43:01,039 an island decades after World War Two ended. Saying the words freedom and liberty 581 00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:06,960 and market over and over isn't really a policy agenda. It's a meme. 582 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:14,159 Zgilani is a is a progressive leftist just because he's not. He's a perfect 583 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,679 example. He's a perfect example of why I think these kind of statements unlimited 584 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:23,239 principles which he people like Xagilanni don't have are important. He's anti woke and 585 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,639 people like that who are anti woke, and I respect that they're anti woke 586 00:43:29,079 --> 00:43:32,880 whatever that means. Okay, how come come into this monument and make it 587 00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:38,039 into a left wing Christian party right like like we have in Europe, which 588 00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:42,400 is no choice at all most of the time, no choice at all when 589 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,000 it comes to actual how the state is run and what liberty means. Sorry, 590 00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:51,440 go on. A former Trump staffer named Page I'm forgetting her last name 591 00:43:52,039 --> 00:43:54,719 says, this isn't really a statement of principles. It isn't really anything. 592 00:43:55,440 --> 00:44:00,840 The z blog says, way back machine conservatism. Hey guys, let's dress 593 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:05,360 up like our favorite characters from twentieth century conservatism and pretend we're at Bill Buckley's 594 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,679 house. And then this one, which I do agree with. Freedom isn't 595 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:14,039 actually what made America great. This is the fundamental error of the libertarian. 596 00:44:14,519 --> 00:44:17,559 Rather, it was the combination of freedom and moral virtue. One without the 597 00:44:17,639 --> 00:44:22,519 other doesn't work nearly as well. They fetishize the former and use that to 598 00:44:22,679 --> 00:44:32,480 justify ignoring the latter, like nonsense. I completely agree about about how freedom 599 00:44:32,519 --> 00:44:37,840 didn't make us great alone virtuous. Part of that you can't have the point 600 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:43,960 of freedom is to get to a virtuous community in society. The problem with 601 00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:49,199 his side is that they want to compel people to be virtuous and compel people 602 00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,960 to believe in Christ, and compel people to go back into the churches, 603 00:44:52,159 --> 00:44:55,039 and that is not going to happen. And they want to compel you know, 604 00:44:55,079 --> 00:44:59,400 if that person was Christian who wrote that, whatever. Yeah, I'm 605 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:04,199 just talking about out the average net Con type today, and they are concerned. 606 00:45:04,679 --> 00:45:07,159 Listen. I take that last one back. I don't know if all 607 00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,000 nat Cons are as religious, but they are typically social conservative, and they 608 00:45:10,039 --> 00:45:14,400 believe that our society is not as virtuous as it can be, and they 609 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,840 blame markets for that, and they blame freedom. Listen. I don't know 610 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:21,079 what people said sitting in Bill Buckley's house, but I do know this. 611 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:27,639 There are principles and then there's politics. Politics Informila, I mean principles Informila 612 00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,119 politics. If principles worked in nineteen eighty seven and in nineteen fifty six and 613 00:45:31,199 --> 00:45:35,000 so on, they work today, you know they don't go away or you 614 00:45:35,039 --> 00:45:37,159 didn't really believe in them in the first place. I believe in those principles. 615 00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,760 I think that many of the people on the nat Con side and these 616 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:45,960 other leftists who have infiltrated the nat Con side, don't believe in those principles 617 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:49,119 and don't believe in any any limiting principles or neutral principles. And to me, 618 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,440 that's a deal breaker in my I don't want to be on the side 619 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,960 of those people in the long run. So I've already said, like, 620 00:45:57,199 --> 00:46:00,840 one of my concerns about some of what happens in national conservatism seems to be 621 00:46:00,599 --> 00:46:05,559 a lack of shared does not share some of the same principles that I hold 622 00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:08,559 too in as a classical liberal. Some of them are very honest about it. 623 00:46:08,679 --> 00:46:12,679 There are a lot of people in national conservatism who in fact are just 624 00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,960 like us on these topics. I agree with that. Yeah, I'm not 625 00:46:15,159 --> 00:46:22,159 sorry to I'm just speaking in general. Yeah, but it's in fact because 626 00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:27,480 I don't see a change in principles or what we hold too that makes me 627 00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:30,559 a little frustrated with statements like this, like our problem is not principles, 628 00:46:30,639 --> 00:46:37,920 Like we actually have great ideas and principles. The problem is in the execution 629 00:46:37,159 --> 00:46:40,480 on those. And so when that's like the issue that's happening in the country 630 00:46:40,599 --> 00:46:47,239 right now, doing a like restatement of some of the principles, I just 631 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:51,159 sort of like, well, what does that do? Like I do see 632 00:46:51,199 --> 00:46:53,760 and some people have been very clear this is an attack on national conservatism because 633 00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,440 they're worried that they're getting all the press and they're getting all the like excitement, 634 00:46:57,639 --> 00:46:59,400 and they want to say, like we're here too. You know, 635 00:46:59,559 --> 00:47:04,320 liberty are still part of this movement, not a liberty go on. I 636 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,920 think they're libertarians. That statement was very don't I don't mean that as an 637 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:09,360 insult, by the way, I just think it's a libertarian and PLEXI state 638 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:14,719 to ne cons and not you in general. Anything short of wanting you know, 639 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:20,199 government interfering and basically everything is that person is a libertarian. I by 640 00:47:20,199 --> 00:47:22,880 the way, I'm a classical liberal. I don't really actually consider myself a 641 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:27,480 conservative. I think conservative is shorthand now for a bunch of different kind of 642 00:47:27,519 --> 00:47:30,639 groups that work together and have worked together for many years. In fact, 643 00:47:30,079 --> 00:47:36,760 Reaganism was built on the social conservative movement and the libertarian type conservatives together. 644 00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,639 Fusionism I think works and is important. But I just wanted to stress that 645 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:45,119 I don't think this is some since the Sharon statement or I mean, this 646 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:49,360 is just allowing people to say I'm on this side of this debate. The 647 00:47:49,519 --> 00:47:52,199 net cons had their own, uh statement of principles, I believe, and 648 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:59,679 it was similarly innocuous in my mind of view. Actually, Michael Brendan Doherty 649 00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,400 wrote a thing about how he could like easily sign both like there's nothing in 650 00:48:02,559 --> 00:48:07,400 conflict in his view between these two statements, which oh vic I think then 651 00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,800 responded to. But I haven't really actually read either of their statements hip because 652 00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,199 I don't. I just don't care enough about it. Like I don't care. 653 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:19,159 I am so done with like think tanks that don't do anything other than 654 00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:24,800 help separate mind the country. Those are step Those are two separate issues. 655 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:29,440 One is here is the think tank, which I you know whatever, I 656 00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,800 don't know that this is a think tank necessarily, but anyway, so here 657 00:48:32,079 --> 00:48:36,280 are people who come up with ideas, who think about principles, and here 658 00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,960 is the political world that you have to live in. I'm a classical lebron 659 00:48:39,119 --> 00:48:44,760 pretty libertarian in most things. Do you think that I am not fighting those 660 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,559 fights in the way I should. I think you can do both, right. 661 00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:54,280 I am just not sure signing statements does anything, which is my newest 662 00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,320 thing to do. So you shouldn't be upset about it. We should stop 663 00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:01,199 talking about it. I want to make a quick note, a quick note 664 00:49:02,119 --> 00:49:06,679 on something I saw your tweet that really impressed me, and I like how 665 00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,559 you said that you have a filter, but that if anyone says to you 666 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:15,320 be better or do better, you immediately block them. Those are my two 667 00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:20,280 least favorite, my most hated things that people send me. They used to 668 00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,599 do it in letters, like they're like, you're better than this, David, 669 00:49:22,639 --> 00:49:24,079 And I've always was like, I am one hundred percent, one hundred 670 00:49:24,119 --> 00:49:30,880 percent not better than this at all. There is nothing more like condescending and 671 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:35,360 ridiculous than someone saying like, yeah, be better than this, Like, 672 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:39,000 who the heck do you think you are to tell me that? First of 673 00:49:39,039 --> 00:49:43,960 all, like random, It's so rude that if someone said it in my 674 00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:46,199 presence, I'd be like, well, I never want to be around this 675 00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:51,639 person ever again. And I block people not just who say that to me, 676 00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,000 but people who say it to anyone. I just think it's like the 677 00:49:54,039 --> 00:49:57,360 stupidest, weirdest thing. Like if I saw someone say it to you, 678 00:49:57,599 --> 00:50:00,480 I'd be like, well, that's an instant instant block. Do you like 679 00:50:00,639 --> 00:50:05,840 when people say do better that's the tweet, that's a tweet period? You 680 00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,039 know? When they like that, they think they can just end an argument 681 00:50:08,079 --> 00:50:12,880 on Twitter by putting period at the end of a statement. I hate that 682 00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,119 too. I don't really block people anymore, just I just I just would 683 00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:21,159 mute them. Hugh Hewett said, we do a weekly thing, and he 684 00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:25,719 said that Bethany Mandel had just been on and she was talking about why she 685 00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:30,400 highlights the trolls who say mean things to her in her feed, and he's 686 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:31,480 like, what do you you know? He's like, I don't do that, 687 00:50:31,519 --> 00:50:32,840 and I was like, oh, I definitely don't do that. I 688 00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:38,079 just block them quickly. If anyone's ever rude to me or anyone else that 689 00:50:38,199 --> 00:50:42,760 I'm like witnessing, Like, I don't need to see that in my life 690 00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,880 is short. If someone's being horrific to someone else, just block them. 691 00:50:46,079 --> 00:50:52,239 There's there's so many people who have good and interesting things to say, even 692 00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,920 in disagreement, that you should prioritize those people and not people who are just 693 00:50:57,039 --> 00:51:00,360 mean on social media. This is going to sound somewhat arrogant of me, 694 00:51:00,519 --> 00:51:02,559 but you know, I used to occasionally take some rando who was insulting me 695 00:51:02,679 --> 00:51:06,960 or saying something stupid, highlight them and then pummel them like a straw man, 696 00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,239 or burn them down like a straw man because they were dumb. But 697 00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:13,239 then I felt like it was kind of unfair and that in a sense, 698 00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,519 in my small world, people have a right to come after me. In 699 00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:17,960 some sense, they don't have a right to personally insult me or stuff, 700 00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,960 but they have a right to come after me because I'm out there. I 701 00:51:21,039 --> 00:51:22,599 get to give my opinion and this is their way to react. And in 702 00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,440 the same way, I think it's okay to make fun of famous like actors, 703 00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,960 because you know, that's the deal. You get to be rich, 704 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,199 I get to like judge you, right though, that's the deal we've made 705 00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,719 in a way, you know, I guess that's probably not very Christian, 706 00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,840 but you know what I mean. Yeah, I think everyone should try to 707 00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,199 be nice like you can. I love disagreement. Some of my favorite people 708 00:51:39,199 --> 00:51:42,519 are the ones who are like, here's why I think you're wrong, and 709 00:51:42,639 --> 00:51:45,199 they make a good case, and even if they don't convince you, like 710 00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:51,920 they've given you something to think about. I love that. Anyone who is 711 00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:55,159 just being rude, I don't. I've got so much going on in my 712 00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,440 life. I just don't have time for that. Have you noticed that there's 713 00:51:58,519 --> 00:52:00,599 no the left won't debate you anymore, Like, no, there's no one 714 00:52:00,639 --> 00:52:04,400 around to debate. Years ago I used to debate people. There's no one 715 00:52:04,599 --> 00:52:07,440 debating right wingers from the left. Anywhere. We're just debating each other right 716 00:52:07,519 --> 00:52:12,840 now. But anyway, let's go to let's go to culture for a second. 717 00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:15,960 I hear that you may have seen a movie or two that you liked. 718 00:52:16,679 --> 00:52:21,320 I did, so what was the fruit? Oh? I went to 719 00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:27,239 see the Mission Impossible movie on Imax. I did like it, and it 720 00:52:27,559 --> 00:52:34,360 was It's not a cinematic masterpiece or anything, but it's just really fun. 721 00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,079 Did you see it or no? No? Tom Cruise, though, loves 722 00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:40,239 you and wants to make you happy, and that's why I like Tom Cruise, 723 00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:45,440 right. It's like crazy that he's become like just like the best that 724 00:52:45,559 --> 00:52:52,039 we can expect from Hollywood, but just like there were five action packed scenes 725 00:52:52,119 --> 00:52:54,079 that I totally had me on the edge of the seat. And at one 726 00:52:54,119 --> 00:52:58,960 point I turned to Mark and I was like, this is very ridiculous, 727 00:52:59,079 --> 00:53:00,719 and he was like, oh, did you come to Mission Impossible for a 728 00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:07,159 very realistic, you know, good situation. If you want to be lectured, 729 00:53:07,199 --> 00:53:09,079 you have to see Barbie from what I hear, if you want to 730 00:53:09,079 --> 00:53:14,159 be lectured about the patriarchy, So I will say that that our theater had 731 00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:20,480 no air conditioning and it was excutiating horrible. Okay, The other movie that 732 00:53:20,559 --> 00:53:27,639 I watched which I loved was Elaine May's The Heartbreak Kid. So my mother 733 00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,400 is a wonderful person who's very funny, and she's always loved Elaine May, 734 00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:34,880 so she'd kind of like turned me onto her early. She's a really good 735 00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:42,119 director too, and her daughter who looks exactly like her an axe exactly like 736 00:53:42,199 --> 00:53:46,960 her place in this but also Sybil Shepherd, and I mean it was so 737 00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:53,400 enjoyable. Who's sorry, Charles Groden was the shallow idiot. So the whole 738 00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:59,679 thing is like this guy marries someone impulsively and then spoiler alert because it's a 739 00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:05,360 very old movie, he leaves his wife on their honeymoon and pursues another person. 740 00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:10,400 So weird and funny, and I really enjoyed it, um and thoughtful. 741 00:54:10,679 --> 00:54:13,519 Yeah, there was a you know, there was a remake of this 742 00:54:13,679 --> 00:54:15,679 movie right with Ben Stiller, but I haven't seen it, so I don't 743 00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:19,760 know how faithful it is to the original or anything similar. But it's not 744 00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,079 very good. It's not very original. Yeah, the original is much better. 745 00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:29,360 And Charlie Rowden being annoyed with his newly newly wed wife like on day 746 00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:34,000 one is so funny. I don't know why. It's so funny, just 747 00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,239 like and she has a subtle way of doing it, like right, Like 748 00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:42,760 his acting is just excellent. Is he still around? I don't even remember 749 00:54:43,599 --> 00:54:46,599 die like recently? Didn't he? Oh? Maybe? Yeah? Like I 750 00:54:46,679 --> 00:54:52,000 feel like possibly this year could be. Could have just made that up. 751 00:54:52,039 --> 00:54:57,519 Sorry. I hate that when someone you don't know but like Noah of like 752 00:54:57,559 --> 00:55:00,119 a celebrity dies and you're grieving and then like five years later you find out 753 00:55:00,119 --> 00:55:02,400 they were dead, and then you're like, oh, that's horrible. It's 754 00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,519 like you already went through it. You don't need to go through it again, 755 00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,400 but you forgot that they died. Yeah, where you just thought they 756 00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:14,239 were dead and then they die and you're like, oh, so are you 757 00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:16,719 gonna go see Oppenheimer? By the way, I love as you know, 758 00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:23,199 I love me some Christopher Nolan. Although I didn't understand Tenant. I'm confident 759 00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:27,239 enough in my intelligence to just tell you I didn't really get that film, 760 00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:31,000 and I tried and I didn't. Did you see it? Yeah? Did 761 00:55:31,039 --> 00:55:35,320 you get it? No, there's nothing to get Its nonsense. It's just 762 00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:39,559 you know, I just think that he hit a kind of dead end in 763 00:55:39,679 --> 00:55:44,719 that type of movie. What was the movie with Leo DiCaprio where you go 764 00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,119 Deeper and deeper in your dreams? That didn't of that one? Yeah, 765 00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:51,960 it was an excellent movie. It didn't hurt makes sense inception. But he 766 00:55:52,079 --> 00:55:55,360 pushed I think that that, you know, he was trying to go back 767 00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:59,280 to that sort of movie. But there's a dead end there and that, 768 00:55:59,519 --> 00:56:01,800 you know, so I didn't like Tenant. I will go see Oppenheimer because 769 00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:06,920 it's a historical movie and I love that sort of thing. Though I am 770 00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,800 not a big fan of Oppenheimer. I think he's just a leftist creation in 771 00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:15,840 the sense of the martyrdom through McCarthyism and things like that. That he's always 772 00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:20,159 getting that people always and I'm not sure he's going to do this in the 773 00:56:20,199 --> 00:56:23,760 movie, they always get are very forgiving of his very serious flaws, and 774 00:56:24,119 --> 00:56:30,400 including his ridiculous position about the bomb after the war, and including that either 775 00:56:30,519 --> 00:56:34,079 he was a spy or there were tons of spies that he had hired working 776 00:56:34,199 --> 00:56:37,159 for him at Los Alamos, which if they had all been Nazis, we 777 00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:42,320 would not be celebrating Oppenheimer and there would be no movie. But communists are 778 00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:46,119 always forgiven these things. I saw two shows. One was called Inside Man, 779 00:56:46,519 --> 00:56:51,719 which was is on Netflix. It's like a four episode BBC type of 780 00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,079 show. It's Stanley Tucci and David Tennant. Didn't love it, but I 781 00:56:54,159 --> 00:56:58,360 thought it was interesting enough if you like those guys. I think that they're 782 00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,119 both great. So the show is good. And I'm watching a French show, 783 00:57:01,199 --> 00:57:05,199 believe it or not, called Lupin. Have you ever heard of this 784 00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:10,199 character? He was kind of like a Sherlock Holmes character in the I think 785 00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:15,239 in the eighteen sixties. Maybe he was first written whenever Sherlock Holmes was written 786 00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,119 about. In fact, one of the books, Sherlock Holmes makes an appearance, 787 00:57:17,199 --> 00:57:22,199 but his name is Harlock Showmes or whatever. But anyway, and it's 788 00:57:22,199 --> 00:57:23,920 an interesting show and it's pretty good, and it's French and it's on Netflix, 789 00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:29,960 and I would recommend it. Yeah, that's it. I am also 790 00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:34,960 watching The Bear. I have to say, did you get to the episode 791 00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:40,119 with the whole families together episode in season two? Yeah? No, Okay, 792 00:57:40,239 --> 00:57:45,400 I only got to the like Denmark episode. Okay, there's an episode 793 00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:46,760 that was a bit hard for me to watch and hard for me to come 794 00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:51,079 back to the show. We'll talk about it when you get there. Yeah, 795 00:57:52,119 --> 00:57:54,440 little tease for maybe next week or the week after that. So that's 796 00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:58,039 it. You have anything else, No, I just you know, let 797 00:57:58,119 --> 00:58:00,159 us know if you sign any more statements of Prince both in the next week 798 00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:06,519 or so. You guys have been mocking me on the slack our signal channel 799 00:58:06,639 --> 00:58:09,159 for a week a week now, and listen, I am not a statement 800 00:58:09,239 --> 00:58:14,639 signer. I think sometimes it's important just to lay out what side you are 801 00:58:14,719 --> 00:58:17,400 in a debate. That is, did you want to tell that a little 802 00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:22,639 risk that when you got mocked, you started posting pictures of your dog. 803 00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:29,559 That's such a lie. Someone asked me about my dog, so I posted 804 00:58:29,559 --> 00:58:31,360 a picture of it because oh, here's what happened. You guys were mocking 805 00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:35,519 me, and I was at the vet with my old dog trying to save 806 00:58:35,679 --> 00:58:37,239 his life. He's still okay, and you guys were mocking me, and 807 00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,639 I wasn't answering, and you thought that I had sort of you know, 808 00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:45,079 escaped, and was was too scared to defend myself because when I point out 809 00:58:45,159 --> 00:58:49,119 right now, you're doing the podcast equivalent of sharing pictures of your dog. 810 00:58:49,639 --> 00:58:52,920 Just so you know, my dog is wonderful and he's old and I was 811 00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,239 at the ved and when I came back, I defended myself and I send 812 00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:58,480 you guys a picture of how cute he wasn't you? I forgot to do. 813 00:58:58,519 --> 00:59:00,000 I think your husband asked me about the dog. Someone asked me about 814 00:59:00,039 --> 00:59:06,079 the dog's out of the blue. I know what you're saying, trying to 815 00:59:06,199 --> 00:59:10,039 endarras my favorite I don't want to like. I'm always like careful about respecting 816 00:59:10,119 --> 00:59:14,840 the privacy of that chat, unlike you. Oh my gosh, I not 817 00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,159 have said that. Well no, but my favorite thing was when someone said 818 00:59:17,599 --> 00:59:22,719 that you had pulled a quote Jonah quote in posting a picture of the dog, 819 00:59:23,119 --> 00:59:27,199 which I think is a good like. Um, what do you call 820 00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,039 those like you know Ambrose Beer's dictionaries where you make up a new word so 821 00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:35,840 to avoid criticism, you post pictures of your dog, and that's called sud 822 00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:39,800 Jonah. Now you will admit, so everyone knows that my dog is incredibly 823 00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:45,760 cute, right true, wit and terrier, very cute, struggling a little 824 00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:49,960 right now, but he's okay. I'm going to just continue to post pictures 825 00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,039 of my dog whenever you guys mocked me on the signal chat we have from 826 00:59:52,039 --> 00:59:55,199 now on because I think it's kind of done, but until then everyone should 827 00:59:55,199 --> 01:00:00,039 be lover is a freedom and anxious for the free S five