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When you started to ask that question, I thought you were going somewhere else

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with it. Have you ever signed
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yes I did, Brad. Let
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strangest signature you've ever placed way too
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hit her in that spot with the
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it was in Hartford, hgart heart
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heart pretty much. Yes. Her
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she wants to be signed here,
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there's a sheriff nearby. No,
okay, So I signed her shirt very

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very close to where I shouldn't have. But she was adamant she wanted because

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she got hit with the golf ball
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this was on the seventeenth tee.
They caught up or followed our group for

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a couple holes and made that request. So you've got to give the people

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what they want, right, I
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Stephen Anderson from Cincinnati, Ohio,
and I play at Cedar Trace Golf Club.

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This is Golf Smarter number nine hundred
and twenty five, wearing the wrong

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size glove is as bad as wearing
wrong size shoes. With Carrie and Brad

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from Red Rooster Golf, this is
Golf Smarter, sharing stories, tips and

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insights from great golf minds to help
you lower your score and raise your golf

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IQ. Here's your host, Fred
Green. Welcome back to the Golf Smarter

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podcast. Brad. Thank you,
Fred. It's been a while. I

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can't remember the last time we spoke. I feel like it's been at least

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eight to ten months probably, But
I appreciate you because you guys have been

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Yeah, appreciate you reaching back out. Yeah, of course. And it's

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great to have your partner in business
here and your caddie Carrie mar Carrie.

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Great to have you back on the
podcast as well. Thanks Fred, Yeah,

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great to see you. Congratulations.
You guys have had a heck of

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a year with redroostergolf dot com.
And you're kind of like, you don't

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know this, but you're kind of
like a good drug or is that a

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bad drug because the addiction is there. I've learned it's like, you know,

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it's really I never realized how much
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a regular basis until I started having
a subscription to Red Rooster Golf, and

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so now I'm addicted to it,
and it's like, oh, I've got

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a little, you know, a
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Time to get rid of it,
as opposed to it getting all sweaty

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and crinkly and drying up and standing
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by itself. So congratulations on a
great product and a great service. Yeah,

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thanks, Fred, I mean,
I mean, I think you're touching

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on the subscri scription. I think
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and I think that's kind of I
think that's all of our intention. We

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all sort of believe that we'll make
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make the right plans. But you
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of us that maybe can't be trusted
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often enough. In that way you
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get as many as you need when
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show up, it is often just
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it time to change this out of
there's nothing like you know, that feeling

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of a fresh glove, you know, to start around for sure. Yeah,

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but didn't What wasn't the original concept
for your business model a subscription service?

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make some some moves here to say, you know, let's let's sell gloves

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to people who need them when they
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was always to be flexible. We
there wasn't you know, we're the first

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subscription glove service, but we knew
that that would just be that would cater

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to a certain audience that we still
believe it. You know that that probably

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is the best way to you know, use Red Rooster Gloves is to figure

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out, you know, how many
gloves do you need, when do you

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need them? And then use the
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as needed. But we always wanted
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glove. You can buy them in
bulk, you can you know, buy

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them on the regular. You know, a lot of our customers are set

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up through we use a Shopify store. If you've set up through shop pay,

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it's as easy as a subscription service
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and order another glove as a couple
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but often by the time you need
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a pro shop, maybe limited options, maybe they don't have your size,

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usually pay a little bit too much. So it's just a way to kind

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of plan and more, a lot
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glove, so it becomes that little
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in the mail. It's not that
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but often it it's you know,
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know, what am I doing with
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squeeze a couple more rounds out of
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you know, beyond its useful life? And is it time to switch things

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up? And Brad can speak to
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the idea that, like, you
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often, but also most golf gloves
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them and squeeze more rounds out of
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true, Brad. How often do
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do they go multiple gloves in a
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absolutely you're going through a couple of
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the hook on your bag, you
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every golfer has a certain spot where
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humidity. I think mine typically just
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it starts to creep up towards the
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sure that you don't have a glove
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to dry out oddly and it gets
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I think I think a typical PGA
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with the glove. You know,
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when I played, but I did, and a lot of the times a

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kid would ask for the glove,
and I'm like, absolutely, I'll sign

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the glove. I'll give it to
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memorable than a golf ball. A
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I had kids in the kids in
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Columbia would always ask for your shoes
and your sunglasses. And I'm like,

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man, I've got a limit.
I can't give away everything. I gotta

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play tomorrow. Right, I can
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Why do you do? Say?
You know the kids in this region,

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you're they they're a little more aggressive, and what they're asking, they're

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not shy to ask. That's absolutely
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you don't want to get if you're
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is, but they weren't shy to
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to draw the line somewhere. So
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balls, gloves, no problem,
anything else. You know, at the

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end of the round on Sunday,
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really sweaty, but you can have
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you know, Thursday or Friday.
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through a glove every two rounds.
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Kerry said, you slip a glove
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they announce your name ready to hit
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awesome. I don't think anyone can
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of cost, right for the average
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So that's why we make gloves that
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know, you pointed out in our
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your gloves last too long. Like
you're in the glove business, you want

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to sell gloves. But I think
in our view, it's hard to reinvent

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a golf glove, right, so
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And I think that we've really done
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feel, but something that the consumer
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rounds, at lasts eight to ten
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might need to change it. So
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something unique to the recreational golfer.
I think so too. I can probably

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go I guess around a dozen rounds
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it's also like, oh, but
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Do I want to Oh no,
I'm not ready. I'm just now.

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I want to go back to the
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ever some kid come up to you
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autograph? Did you ever say them, what's my name? Tell me who

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I am? Tell me who do
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Do you know who I am?
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might hear these days with kind of
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in my view, it was okay
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is that the player that he's current
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is a PGA Tour player, Like, full stop, there's no I don't

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need to know his name. You
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but you know, a guy in
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that was where they were coming from. I will say when you when you

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started to ask that question, I
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Have you ever signed an odd part
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did, Brad. Let me ask
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you've ever placed, way too close
to a woman's chest because I hit her

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in that spot with the ball,
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was in Hartford. You know that
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the water Heartford. You hit her
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Her husband was adamant, like,
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here, And I'm like, are
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anywhere I'm being punked. There's a
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I signed her shirt very very close
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was adamant. She wanted because she
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on the fifteenth hole. And this
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up or followed our group for a
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you've got to give the people what
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that's a good one. I really
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We'll be back right after this.

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Before we start our next segment,
I want to thank both of you because

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you've been incredibly supportive of Golf Smarter
and you have allowed us to make our

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Golf Smarter Ambassador program where we have
listeners introduce each episode, tell us where

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they're from and where they play.
And one of the gifts that that we've

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been regularly giving away, I have
to honestly say the second most popular gift

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behind the Tony Manzoni video, is
the red rooster golf glove. And I

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really appreciate you guys allowing us to
give those away on a regular basis.

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So thank you very much for supporting
us. And yeah, it's great.

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The ambassadors are always excited as we
follow up with them and try and figure

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out their you know, glove hand
and size, and we send them the

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glove compartment as well, so that
a spot to keep the gloves and rotate

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them. And and you know Brad
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We see a lot of repeat customers. You know, the glove makes

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an impression, it's it's quality and
then they have a spot to house their

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gloves and to rotate them, you
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been it's been great for us.
We appreciate the shout out and it's nice

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to work with the ambassadors. They
obviously appreciate it. Yeah. Absolutely.

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Let's talk about sizing for a minute
now that you brought that up. What

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have you found out? What have
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when they're sizing themselves for gloves.
We've done a number of we probably did

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fifteen to twenty events this year where
we would be set up on typically a

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par three brought in to do like
a glove giveaway, and I would say,

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I'm gonna estimate, you know,
I don't know sixty seventy percent of

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the time the golfers leave with a
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either never tried before or weren't aware
of. And I'd say, typically it's

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the cadet sizes. It's just so
there's regular size. That's that's for a

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I'm a regular. That's a it's
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call it the normal size. You
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and right, hand, you know, up to from small up to double

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xcel. And then then there's Cadet
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and a slightly wider palm, and
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I can kind of see it when
they're coming up and it's just a

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different kind of hand, and so
those gloves fit in a different way they

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need typically that that's for someone who
normally says, hey, you know,

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with a regular glove, I have
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of my fingers, and or I
find the gloves to be really tight through

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the palm, and Cadet sizes is
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of hand. And I'd say a
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size option. It's not a particularly
great name, right, Cadet. People

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think it's a kid's glove, so
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and they, you know, are
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I can often see that hand or
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and I see that it's long in
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feels too tight, and I can
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say that that's my experience. I'll
lean on Brad He's done a lot of

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these events too, but it's usually
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or exposing them to that. And
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at least a size too big,
sometimes too. They just a glove,

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you know, a it comes in
a wide range of sizes, like our

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gloves come in up to thirty four
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So you know, most people are
pretty happy with a run of them,

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you know, a large, but
they've never tried a medium large,

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or they've never tried a medium large
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I'm a Cadet medium large, and
I never understood why I always thought I

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had big hands. And then golf
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wait, it's a kids size.
It's like, I never understood what

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it meant and why I have that
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it doesn't work for me. I
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one I have. It feels the
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piece of fabric at the tip of
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It should be really really tight,
like almost. I would say most people

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aren't willing to wear a glove that
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they often feel like, oh,
this is too tight, and I'm often

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like, that's perfect, you know
if it if it slides on really easily,

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it's too big. You should have
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especially that first time. And most
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Go it fits relatively well. And
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it's soft leather, it stretches and
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And now you'll see that the telltale
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strap it should when it fits well. Show you here, yeah, this

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is my this is the Sussex.
So this is and for those of you

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who are listening as an audio podcast, Brad's putting on a glove. If

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you couldn't tell the sound of elcrow, so there you can see that.

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Like, actually, the velcrow should
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on the top, should not cover
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It should only cover about three quarters
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And you can see how that fits
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people say, oh, this is
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know, let me go up one
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sort of talk them into this because
where you'll see that a glove doesn't fitz.

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If you ever see someone who's got
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that means that that glove was probably
you know, it's too big, it's

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already stretched out, it never comes
back right. So that that's kind of

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my take Brad. You've done,
you know, as many or more of

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these events. What are your kind
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I think first and foremost it's the
misunderstanding or the not having knowledge of what

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cadet means. Like Fred said he
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I think that's what most people end
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come to our website, we have
this live chat function, and I'd say

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half of the new customers who are
using that function will say, what's the

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difference between regular and cadet? So
we explain that it's fairly easy to explain.

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It's another for the person to actually
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like you said, Fred, you
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Well, Cadet medium large is kind
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we go small, medium, medium, large, large, excel, so

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you're kind of right in the middle. Average hand size, right, I

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think the most obvious hand and carry
alluded to it is when the guy who

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probably lays bricks for a living comes
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see it. It's the construction hand, you know, real thick palm,

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shorter, wider fingers. You can
tell. We sometimes refer to it callous

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as the tradesman's hand, right,
you know, it does it for a

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living. His hands take a beating
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In that case, i'd wear a
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I think first and foremost it's the
difference between regular and Cadet can be fairly

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stark. And then, as Carrie
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forty year old men come up to
the tee and say, yep,

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I'm a large, and I'll look
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let's try a medium large, And
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And I think Carrie can speak to
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don't know if it's a TV appearance
carry or a podcast where you fit the

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guy and he's worn a large his
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him into a medium, which is
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Yeah, he was a medium.
He played for fifteen years. He was

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adamant that, you know, that's
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I met him and shook his hand, it was a cadet hand. I

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just and so we moved him down. We tried, he tried. He

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put on a medium large, it
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like this is what you're wearing.
It was still big, long in

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the fingers, and it was tight
in the palm. And that's why he

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was stuck on that size because it
was tight through the palm area and he

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needed the cadet and then he needed
to go down. So he ended up

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we fit him on a He was
a cadet small WO. So he moved

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down a size and into cadet And
I'd say more often than not, that's

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where those fittings go. They're fun
for us because most people haven't tried the

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range of sizes, and a lot
of golfers, even you know, somebody

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is a really good golfer. He's
been playing golf for fifteen years and he's

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always had a glove that doesn't quite
fit. And when he got that proper

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fit, he was kind of blown
away. He's like, this is a

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really different feel, and now you
can really feel that club in your hands.

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You know, golf's a game of
confidence and having a glove that fits

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you really well. If for a
long time you've been wearing a glove that

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just doesn't quite fit and feel great, that's not you know, that's not

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a great way to to start around. So those little adjustments, those those

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go a long way. And we
do see that a lot too with our

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you know, free shipping, free
exchanges. We do a lot of coaching,

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you know, back and forth by
email, live chat. When people

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get you know, say their first
gloves and they need they don't fit,

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you know, we we coach them
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that's that's a lot of fun for
us too, because once they find that

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fit and they find the right glove
for them, and especially with us,

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we've got this wide range of different
styles, then there it's a it's a

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big change for them because I'd say, you know, lots of golfers have

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never probably been properly fit for a
golf glove. So that's that's been kind

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of a rewarding interaction for us.
I think that the second thing that I

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noticed from from these glove fittings is
that, uh, people are all willing

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to share. Like, hey,
I blow out the palm of this glove

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all the time. It happens all
the time, at lasts a couple of

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rounds and then the palm blows out. And part of that is the glove

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fit. Like Carrie said, a
bigger glove will get sloppy, and all

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of a sudden, when you're swinging
the club at one hundred miles an hour,

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give or take, that handle's moving
fast, right, and the grip

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is rubber, sometimes it's cord,
and it's taking a toll on the leather

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on the glove. And one of
the other things that we notice is that

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a lot of people hold the club, especially drivers, too far up the

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grip. If you don't see any
part of your grip coming out of your

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if you're right handed, if you
don't see any part of the grip coming

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out of your left hand, then
that butt of the grip is going to

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kill the palm of your glove.
If it's stuck kind of, if it's

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not going quite past for better or
worse your wrist, then it's going to

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be massacring the palm of your glove. And that's a good friend of both

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carry and ies. He's a he's
a huge supporter of ours. His name

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is Scott. He's about a fifteen
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Canada. And the first thing he
ever said to me when we started

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a glove company was I bloke through
gloves like crazy. And we played a

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couple months later and I said,
well, the butt of your grip is

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in your palm. That's why.
So he chose, I mean to him,

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it's choking up, right, he
feels like he's choking up. He's

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not choking up. He's just using
more of the grip and putting it in

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the proper spot. And all of
a sudden his gloves last fifteen to twenty

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rounds now. So it's and he
shouldn't. He shouldn't be getting longer shafts.

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Correct, your handicap will go up. Well, you know, one

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of the things with Scott is the
very tall guy six foot, so he

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did need longer clubs. He was
extending his club right. His driver was

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basically too short for him, so
he was going farther up the grip and

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all of a sudden it was in
his palm and going through gloves like crazy.

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So that's that's another adjustment that you
know, you don't like to give

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people too many, you know,
golf tips in the middle of a round,

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but at these glove fittings you can
say, hey, if you blow

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through gloves, this is a good
reason why. Well, and you're at

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an event, at a fitting,
it's not during the round, so you

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can suggest that that's exactly right,
you know, Like for me my life,

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my business, I hear voices and
I'm like, oh, I have

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a sense of what region you're from
in the world, Like you know,

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Carrie, you give it away all
the time. You're Canadian, right,

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But did you ever think you'd be
in a business where you say, shake

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someone's hand and you're like, oh, nice hands, Okay, oh you're

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a medium that medium large? Are
you? Yes? It's like, wait

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a minute, what do you do? No? I never did, but

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yeah, now it is a bit
of a sickness now, like when I'm

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shaking hands, I am like,
I'm away your glove size Unlike he's a

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regular. See, yeah, he's
a regularly. He's probably a medium large

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and there's no support groups for that, not yet. Hi. My name

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is Carrie and I like to hold
hands. Yeah, my wife, they

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may need to start one. We're
going to take another break. We'll bit

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right back. So let's talk about
your year. It's been just over years

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since we last spoke to you,
too, and you're still in business.

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I love it. I love that
you're still in business. And we did

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bump into each other at the PGA
show last January. You guys were scoping

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it out, just walking around talking
to people and stuff. Let's talk about

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what twenty twenty three was for you
and what's going to be happening in twenty

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twenty four. How exciting? Yeah, I mean it was amazing. Yeah,

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it was fun to fun to catch
up at the PGASH show. That

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was my first and as mine mine
too. Are you going to head back

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not this year? Okay, it
worked out for me last year because again

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it's cross country, it's not an
inexpensive trip. I'm a podcaster and uh

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I was in Florida for a family
wedding, so I'm like, I'm just

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going to stick around and do the
PGA show. It was a blast,

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but it's it was not what I
thought it was going to be. Although

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I probably need a couple more shows
to really get to figure out what it

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is. But that was for me. Talk about you. Yeah, I

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mean it's a it's a bit of
an overwhelming experience, but yes, it's

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good. We're trying to you know, strike up some partnerships and get a

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sense of of just even the you
know, the industry. I even liked

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a lot of the different breakout sessions. There was a lot of good sort

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of industry knowledge, you know,
like what are the trends, where things

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headed? You know, how's the
Did you learn anything in any of those

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sessions or people that you met that
you walked away going we need to make

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a change in our We need to
make an adjustment here moving forward because of

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what we just learned. Was there
any of that? My biggest takeaway was

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how many simulator companies were there.
Yeah, and there was a really great

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breakout. It was put on by
a National Golf Foundation. It showed the

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you know, it was the they
call it the green grass golf versus the

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off course, and you know between
the top golf and these indoor simulators,

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how that was really growing and how
that segment looked like there was a great

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opportunity there, and we had developed
this glove that's been it's been our second

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most popular glove out here. It's
our range rooster, and it was built

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for practice. It was built for
this purpose of like, hey, save

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these beautiful leather gloves for the golf
course when you're going to the driving range

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and when you're practic this thing.
Use this. It's a it's made of

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a stretchy synthetic material, super durable. You can even wash this glove,

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so wow. So it's good for
months. Some guys, you know,

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get most season backyard, Yeah exactly. And so but this has also been

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you know, this is a simulator
glove because it's sort of the same thing

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when you play simulator golf. You
you can play eighteen holes in an hour

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and you're you know, the cadence, there's no walking between shots and so

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on. You know, you hit
one, you hit another. It's a

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it's a much more like a range
session slash practice session where it's just it's

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a lot of repetition. Hand gets
hot, you're not taking that glove off

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and on, so you need something
that's a bit more durable. So that

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was I think a key insight for
us that that you know, really position

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this glove is. Yes, it's
it's meant for practice. It is meant

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to kind of like save the soft
leather gloves, but it's great for that

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purpose of like you will go into
a simulator session, you will put a

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00:30:03,839 --> 00:30:07,359
glove on, and you're not probably
going to take it off for the next

408
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,119
hour, and so you need a
glove that's going to be able to like

409
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,720
handle that much. You know that
many you know hits, but also like

410
00:30:14,839 --> 00:30:18,039
your hand's going to heat up.
So this glove is really great at like

411
00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:22,960
pulling the moisture out. It's this
kind of like feels like a stretchy suede,

412
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,519
super durable, and and you develop
that after the PGA show, No,

413
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,039
we we had it, just you
had it. You just realize,

414
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but we realize, like, hey, it's you know, are useful this

415
00:30:33,759 --> 00:30:40,920
this is probably it's it's probably built
better for simulator golf than it is even

416
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:45,759
for the driving range. I'd say
probably simulators becoming the driving range in a

417
00:30:45,799 --> 00:30:51,319
lot of cases, and in other
cases it's become the it is golf For

418
00:30:51,359 --> 00:30:53,519
a lot of people, they just
you can time box it. You can

419
00:30:53,599 --> 00:30:57,359
play if you can play eighteen holes
in twelve in in an hour, or

420
00:30:59,119 --> 00:31:03,200
it's a lot more time box then
you know the commitment of an eighteen hole

421
00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:07,319
round or even nine holes. Well, also for what you and I talked

422
00:31:07,359 --> 00:31:11,880
about off mic was that I play
golf twelve months a year because of where

423
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,400
I live, and you can't,
right, right, people who only get

424
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:21,880
to play five months a year.
Sure, Yeah, that was probably the

425
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,880
biggest takeaway. There was just that
well similar thing and building some products for

426
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,960
it. I think the other one
was just that we've always wanted to have

427
00:31:32,039 --> 00:31:37,759
this for our subscribers and for our
you know, if you like our gloves,

428
00:31:37,759 --> 00:31:41,160
we want to be able to have
a suite of gloves, so everything

429
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,400
from a practice glove to your tournament
glove, which was the Sussex glove that

430
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,519
I showed you. It is our
thinnest, softest glove. So mostly our

431
00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:53,440
gloves are built to be super durable. This is the glove that you know

432
00:31:53,559 --> 00:31:56,640
is the exception to that rule.
It's built for feel and it's meant for

433
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:04,880
those special rounds. We've got our
gloves. God saved my life yesterday.

434
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:07,799
Okay, I'm like, I'm just
not even gonna take them off. I

435
00:32:07,799 --> 00:32:12,559
have left and right rain gloves.
Yeah, and I'm just not gonna take

436
00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:14,960
it on. And I'm like,
I'm thinking, putts now to wait a

437
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:19,839
minute, what's going on here?
You know, the first hour and a

438
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,759
half of our around yesterday rain and
then it was a beautiful day. But

439
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:27,839
it was like, I'm just gonna
go right to my red black, red

440
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,759
rooster gloves. That's it, the
rain rooster fred Those have been great because

441
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:37,160
everybody needs a set of rain gloves. Like you're you're gonna you're gonna have

442
00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:40,440
days where it rains and so you
need, you know, gloves for that,

443
00:32:40,599 --> 00:32:45,119
so you so you're prepared. We've
been super happy with that glove.

444
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,880
And then we just we just rolled
out our you know, our sort of

445
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:55,079
cart mit slash. Oh you know
a winter This is you know, really

446
00:32:55,160 --> 00:33:00,200
nice, uh fleece inside. You
can even put like a hot pocket in

447
00:33:00,279 --> 00:33:06,359
here on a super cold day.
Smart. They're waterproof and what's the name

448
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,960
of that one. I believe that
we call these the lobster claws, what

449
00:33:10,119 --> 00:33:16,480
was the final name. That was
my suggestion, But we just released these

450
00:33:16,519 --> 00:33:22,400
this week, so we built those
with a great partner, and yeah,

451
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,680
we wanted to build. So that
was another one where we looked at and

452
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,799
said, you know, you could
make a winter glove, a glove that

453
00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:32,759
is warmer, slightly thicker, and
you could wear it in you know,

454
00:33:32,799 --> 00:33:37,359
those really cold days, maybe in
the thirties and forties. But we just

455
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:42,039
felt like, you still want to
play with feel, and the best thing

456
00:33:42,079 --> 00:33:45,680
to do is keep your hands warm, you know, with these cart mits,

457
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,640
and when you get to your shot, take these off. Use a

458
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:53,200
proper glove with good feel, hit
your shot and move on. Versus a

459
00:33:53,279 --> 00:33:58,079
warmer, thicker glove that you can
barely feel the club in. Maybe your

460
00:33:58,119 --> 00:34:01,279
hands are warm, but it's tough
to score and actually play. So yeah,

461
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,519
thank you for that clarification, because
I'm thinking, how do you swing

462
00:34:05,559 --> 00:34:07,920
a yeah with that thing on?
Hey, Fred, let me let me

463
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:12,960
ask you a question about our ring
gloves. Did you have I'm sorry,

464
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:21,079
Brad, I'm the one who asked
the question, Kerrie, so go ahead.

465
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,719
I lost my train of thought for
a second. No, I'm good

466
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:29,639
at that did you have any experience
with brain gloves before you tried ours,

467
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:35,199
and what's your experience when they get
wet? Were you trying to protect them?

468
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,920
Because I know how the idea that
we built them with was, you

469
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:43,079
know, you got to try to
keep them dry, like you don't have

470
00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:46,440
to make you know, the crazy
effort to do so. But they do.

471
00:34:47,039 --> 00:34:52,480
They work better somewhat dry, like
you're not sticking them in the cooler

472
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,320
like you would with other companies that
say, hey, get these soaking wet

473
00:34:55,719 --> 00:35:00,119
and they perform amazing. But I'd
be interested in your feedback because we've had,

474
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,800
you know, people go to Scotland
and say these are the best things

475
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:07,320
ever. I did have a guy
that went to Bandon a couple of weeks

476
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,559
ago and he said, well,
they got super super wet and they weren't

477
00:35:10,599 --> 00:35:14,239
the best thing that I've ever tried. So I was like, we need

478
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,760
to figure out and I think we
know the answer already, but we need

479
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,039
to figure out kind of how to
position these as what's the best way that

480
00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:25,079
they work, and to talk through
it with customers like you is probably the

481
00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:31,480
best way to do it. Oh
interesting, So I didn't take them off

482
00:35:31,639 --> 00:35:37,119
like I said, I even putt
with them and then and the rain was

483
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:43,599
about an hour and a half.
I never had an issue with the clubs

484
00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:49,840
slipping. I you know, I
hate when when the grips on clubs get

485
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,880
wet. So I don't even like
laying my putter down on the ground right

486
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,960
on the on the on the grip. So I'll take the head cover and

487
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,400
you know, use that as a
stand, or my give a tool and

488
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:05,559
use it as a stand so the
glove the grips don't get onto the ground

489
00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:12,400
to get moist at all. And
so again the grip was never compromised.

490
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:19,840
But after let's see, we were
on the hole seventh or eighth hole,

491
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:27,639
I finally decided I'm going to pull
the glove off just to give my hand

492
00:36:27,679 --> 00:36:31,960
a break because my hand was wet, which I was really surprised how moist

493
00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:37,679
my hand was. And yet I
didn't feel like the glove was being compromised

494
00:36:37,679 --> 00:36:43,079
as far as losing its grip.
So I aired them out for you know,

495
00:36:43,159 --> 00:36:46,800
in between holes as I was walking, and put them back on and

496
00:36:47,039 --> 00:36:52,159
kept them on until I think the
eleventh or twelfth hole. Okay, so

497
00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:53,800
that makes that makes a lot of
sense. I answered your oh, you

498
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,719
totally did. So they're not they're
not waterproof. They're not meant to be

499
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,480
to keep your hands dry. They're
meant to perform, you know, on

500
00:37:02,519 --> 00:37:07,360
your golf shots. So we're not
protecting your body. We're trying to help

501
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:12,719
you play better, better golf.
Right, So so yeah, I think

502
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:17,079
just hearing that solidifies what we need
maybe need to do a little bit better

503
00:37:17,159 --> 00:37:21,239
job of, and our messaging for
the rain rooster is, which is these

504
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,199
aren't meant to keep your hands dry. It was kind of the compromise at

505
00:37:24,199 --> 00:37:29,360
the end, so we did like
five iterations of these, and there was

506
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,639
lots of different materials, so we
in the end we put this this nylon

507
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:37,880
between the fingers and it allows for
like a little bit of breathe ability,

508
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,400
but it was also it was mostly
a feel thing. We wanted the gloves

509
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,639
to really like and we wanted to
have this really thin pomp. So it's

510
00:37:44,639 --> 00:37:47,920
a very thin palm so it has
really good contact. It's got these silicone

511
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:53,039
roosters for grip, but it's a
very thin glove and because of this,

512
00:37:53,559 --> 00:37:58,119
we were able to seal this up. When we sealed it up, the

513
00:37:58,119 --> 00:38:00,880
glove was kind of bomb proof.
So nothing got in, but we also

514
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:06,920
found like hands got really really hot
and nothing also kind of got out,

515
00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:10,519
and the glove felt like hotter and
warmer and thicker and it was So that

516
00:38:10,639 --> 00:38:14,360
was the compromise we ended up making, as we were like, Okay,

517
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:20,800
it's not sealed, so because of
that, some water can actually get in

518
00:38:21,199 --> 00:38:23,639
it. I do kind of take
mine on and off even while I play.

519
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,440
I love the field, but it's
you know, if we could make

520
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,679
two versions, there probably would be
the like secure waterproof one, but that

521
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:36,639
one's really for those days where it's
like it's battle golf, right and you're

522
00:38:37,519 --> 00:38:42,280
when it's raining that hard, it's
home, it's it's a struggle anyway.

523
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,000
And yeah, it feel one's more
for that like round where it's it's going

524
00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:49,960
to be raining and you still need
to be able to like have a glove

525
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:57,079
that holds up and still like performs
for you versus the like torrential downpour.

526
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,480
Yeah, I feel like if you're
playing in the rain and it's going to

527
00:39:00,519 --> 00:39:06,360
compromise the way you play, that
means you probably have to play like you're

528
00:39:06,559 --> 00:39:08,880
you're playing for a reason, you're
playing for score. It's a tournament,

529
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:13,719
it's a member, guest, whatever
it is, you can't go home.

530
00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:17,760
So in that case, we wanted
to make something for performance and not you

531
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,039
know, one hundred percent, well, I just want to stay dry.

532
00:39:21,119 --> 00:39:22,159
Well, if you really want to
stay dry, you're probably going home,

533
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:27,239
right if it's that bad, Like
you said, Fred, So I think

534
00:39:28,039 --> 00:39:30,679
I think that I don't want to
call it a compromise. I want to

535
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:36,599
call it we're we're making gloves for
people to help them play their best.

536
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,400
And so with the with the rain
rooster, and like carry said, it

537
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:45,480
took forever to or what felt like
forever, to come up with the ideal

538
00:39:45,159 --> 00:39:52,039
rain glove, because I've played rain
gloves that are frankly not great and the

539
00:39:52,119 --> 00:39:57,599
feel is compromised and it was hard
to play well. So I think,

540
00:39:57,639 --> 00:40:00,679
if again, you want to be
known for something right, And in this

541
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:05,760
case, it's like I'm taking these
to Bandon, to Ireland, to Scotland

542
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,840
and using them because I want to
play well on my golf trip. I

543
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:13,079
don't want to just have the experience
of being there. I want to play

544
00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:15,760
well. And so that that was
kind of well, Brad, how many

545
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:22,519
guys on tour would wear rain gloves? You know, the tournament round.

546
00:40:22,639 --> 00:40:25,559
The guy that I think of right
away as Michelson, he was never shy

547
00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:30,639
to break out both gloves right,
left hand right. I tried to once

548
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:34,960
for one hole in a Q school
actually, and I made a double bogie

549
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,920
on the easiest part four you've ever
you'll ever see, and I just thought,

550
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:43,960
this is the worst feel. I
can't it's not working. I've never

551
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,920
had a glove on my right hand
before, and I never want to have

552
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:51,239
a glove on my right hand ever
again. So I'm an exclusive and it

553
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,039
became a mental thing. Yeah that's
going to kill you, right, Yeah,

554
00:40:54,199 --> 00:41:00,199
So left hand only for me for
rain gloves, and it just feels

555
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:05,360
so important, even more so in
the rain because, like you said,

556
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,440
Fred can't stand the wet grips can't
stand like I just it drives me nuts

557
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,400
as well. So that was kind
of our thought process with it, and

558
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,119
it came out really really well.
They're so popular. We think that's yeah,

559
00:41:17,159 --> 00:41:22,800
it's been a home run. Yeah
no, And I just love well.

560
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,480
Mine are black with the red little
roosters on it, and I got

561
00:41:25,519 --> 00:41:30,960
that just after I returned from my
trip to Japan in twenty twenty two,

562
00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:35,639
and it was like perfect. It
looks Japanese. I love it all right.

563
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,639
We're going to take another time out
and when we come back, we

564
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:42,519
will get to twenty twenty four and
talk about what's happened in Red Rooster Golf

565
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:47,440
in the coming twelve months. We'll
be back after this. This week on

566
00:41:47,559 --> 00:41:52,719
Golf Smarter, Mulligan's is a fascinating
conversation with Mike Peterson, who trained to

567
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:59,199
compete for the Olympics to Caflon,
but turned his focus toward the biomechanics of

568
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,599
the golf swing. Now many of
us experience some pain after a round of

569
00:42:02,599 --> 00:42:09,000
golf, but here Mike helps us
to isolate and identify exactly where it's coming

570
00:42:09,039 --> 00:42:14,960
from. I want you to really
get inside your body, and as you're

571
00:42:15,039 --> 00:42:17,480
swinging and hitting a ball, there
might be a sensation, there might be

572
00:42:17,519 --> 00:42:21,760
a pinching fuel, there might be
a tight feeling, or there might be

573
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:27,199
pain. At certain points, you
can start narrowing down what's causing that pain

574
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,760
in your golf swing, even without
having a teaching pro. Think of your

575
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,840
body for a second. So when
you hit that ball, are you experiencing

576
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,320
pain at impact? If it's that
impact, is it a risk, is

577
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,199
it a knee, a hip,
lower back, and then from there,

578
00:42:38,519 --> 00:42:40,880
take a look at the position your
body's at, you know, kind of

579
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,679
slow down a little bit and say, wow, you know, my hips

580
00:42:44,679 --> 00:42:45,719
they seem what we're kind of jammed
up. And then boy, that back

581
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:50,119
hurts right there on that lower right
side. Well, your hips aren't clearing,

582
00:42:50,119 --> 00:42:52,000
your hips aren't rotate. But I
would say if you're getting back into

583
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,360
the swing of things, you truly
have to go to the range at least

584
00:42:55,360 --> 00:43:00,159
one time and just casually leisurely hit
some balls just to kind of see what

585
00:43:00,199 --> 00:43:05,000
you got, see how your body
responds to it, and then typically the

586
00:43:05,039 --> 00:43:08,800
next day you'll know from a conditioning
standpoint if you got something wrong. Originally

587
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:14,280
published in May of twenty twelve as
Golf Smarter for members only, episode three

588
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,960
hundred and thirty four. This is
the first time that we've ever shared at

589
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:21,960
publicly, so you don't want to
miss at this time. That's episode two

590
00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:25,800
hundred and forty one of Golf Smarter
Mulligans with Mike Peterson talking about how to

591
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:31,039
hit longer drives and hit the ball
more efficiently, all while being pain free

592
00:43:31,079 --> 00:43:36,760
when playing golf. So if you
like the variety of topics and guests that

593
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,119
we provide here at Golf Smarter.
Then don't miss the chance to get insights,

594
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:46,159
advice and the gamut of conversations around
golf twice each week with Golf Smarter

595
00:43:46,559 --> 00:43:52,599
and Golf Smarter Mulligans. They're both
available for free from wherever you're listening right

596
00:43:52,639 --> 00:44:00,199
now, Brad, as we're having
this conversation, we're getting a chance look

597
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:05,599
at each other. You wear a
wedding ring, a wedding band on your

598
00:44:05,679 --> 00:44:08,480
left hand, I do. Do
you wear it when you play golf?

599
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:15,159
Not a chance. I've actually lost
this is a very expensive three dollars rubber

600
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:20,960
ring. Because I've lost two fairly
expensive wedding bands and I wasn't going down

601
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,280
the road of a third one.
But even the rubber one I can't wear

602
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:29,519
when I play golf. The last
time I tried wasn't It wasn't too long

603
00:44:29,519 --> 00:44:32,039
ago. It was about six eight
months ago, and on my home course,

604
00:44:32,199 --> 00:44:37,440
I was five over after four holes
and I thought, that's not your

605
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,760
game, that's not my game.
So I put it away. And the

606
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:45,000
funny part is I haven't lost the
rubber one ever, and you, frustratingly,

607
00:44:45,519 --> 00:44:49,159
it'll always find its way back.
I had a good I had a

608
00:44:49,159 --> 00:44:52,480
good system. I lost the first
one at Sea Island on the PGA tour.

609
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:57,199
Unfortunately, I had a good system
where you know, you have your

610
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,480
your credentials and you have the lanyard
on, and I'd take the lanyard off

611
00:45:00,599 --> 00:45:05,480
and I put the ring so the
lanyard went in between it. I'd wrap

612
00:45:05,519 --> 00:45:08,599
it around the credential, put it
in my bag, can't lose it,

613
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:15,840
and somewhere from locker room to first
tea it disappeared. And lost the other

614
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,239
one in my home club about a
year and a half later, and that

615
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:24,039
was that. It was a sign, It was a sign to go.

616
00:45:24,159 --> 00:45:29,119
You know, I think my wife
bought these four for twelve dollars on Amazon,

617
00:45:29,159 --> 00:45:32,440
and just the symbolic nature of it, right, that's it. I

618
00:45:32,559 --> 00:45:38,039
lost my wedding ring on a golf
trip. I was like, I know,

619
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:42,119
I wait, I know. When
I took it off. I never

620
00:45:42,159 --> 00:45:45,480
found it again. And we had
our wedding rings custom made. Luckily,

621
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:50,920
I found the woman who had made
them, who had moved to South Carolina,

622
00:45:51,079 --> 00:45:55,960
and she made me a duplicate.
So I now rarely wear it.

623
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,519
Well, I never wear it if
I'm playing. Have systems of all right,

624
00:46:00,519 --> 00:46:04,519
I'm going to put it here,
but try to remember before you leave

625
00:46:04,559 --> 00:46:07,079
the house, put it in the
drawer and just leave it there. So

626
00:46:07,079 --> 00:46:14,880
so, anyway, last week my
wife lost her wedding and had nothing to

627
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,840
do with golf. And since then, I've taken mine off and I haven't

628
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:24,280
put it. But don't tell her. My wife doesn't even let me have

629
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,920
my wedding band. She's like,
you can't be trusted with us. Ouch.

630
00:46:30,199 --> 00:46:32,039
I would just I would leave.
I would have my wedding and you

631
00:46:32,119 --> 00:46:38,039
have four kids and you can't be
trusted with a wedding band. It's okay,

632
00:46:38,039 --> 00:46:43,280
smart move. I didn't fight her
on it. I don't know how

633
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,159
I haven't lost it, but it
would be in my I remember time.

634
00:46:46,199 --> 00:46:50,599
It would be in my golf bag
for like the entire summer. I would

635
00:46:50,639 --> 00:46:52,719
just take it and put it in
there, and I would just leave it.

636
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:58,440
She's like, somebody's gonna take your
bag, and so now and her

637
00:46:58,679 --> 00:47:01,159
purview and that's probably be a safe
spot. All right, let's get to

638
00:47:01,199 --> 00:47:06,840
twenty twenty four. What do you
guys got coming up? What's gonna happen

639
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,119
with Because you know you've got you've
been growing since you started this company.

640
00:47:10,159 --> 00:47:15,400
It's really been impressive to watch and
excited to hear what you got coming up

641
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:21,559
next. Yeah, I think we're
always coming up with the seasonal gloves.

642
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,079
Those are always a hit. Anything
new, fun, you know, fun

643
00:47:25,159 --> 00:47:30,880
colors and styles. I think what
we realized this past year is that golfers

644
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:36,800
really love to match their their glove
to their outfit. And so we dabbled

645
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,880
with with a couple of different products
and one of them that was a real

646
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:45,920
home run for us was actually socks. So we we we met this partner

647
00:47:46,599 --> 00:47:52,519
at the PGA Show and we made
a custom sock with them. We put

648
00:47:52,519 --> 00:47:57,559
it that we've been done done a
lot of collaboration with our our audience.

649
00:47:57,639 --> 00:48:00,559
So when we're thinking of a new
product, we do a lot of surveys.

650
00:48:00,599 --> 00:48:02,840
They tell us what they're looking for. Socks was one that was on

651
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:07,599
the radar, like a good pair
of you know, ankle socks for golf,

652
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,679
and so we had looked at it
was you know, a survey.

653
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,159
We asked, you know, were
there any recommendations, and it was sort

654
00:48:15,199 --> 00:48:19,519
of all over the place. There
wasn't kind of like us saw company that

655
00:48:19,519 --> 00:48:21,880
that jumped out, Just like with
gloves, when we ask you know,

656
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,320
what's your favorite glove, it was
all over the place. So so we've

657
00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:30,400
we made this, uh made these
ankle socks and and honestly, I thought

658
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,840
they were the best socks I've ever
had. There was a real nice mix.

659
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:37,599
It was mostly sort of like a
nylon, so they got a bit

660
00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:42,559
of stretch to them. They're super
durable, really comfortable, great moisture wicking

661
00:48:42,599 --> 00:48:45,400
all that. And so we're going
to dabble a little bit more in that.

662
00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:51,760
Just those we we did that collaboration. Those we we I think it

663
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,639
was like three or four hundred of
them. They flew in a couple of

664
00:48:53,679 --> 00:48:58,360
weeks. Just makes a nice compliment. They actually ship really well with our

665
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,000
gloves, so that it's it's a
nice add on. Everybody can probably use

666
00:49:02,039 --> 00:49:06,719
a couple new pairs of socks every
year. So yeah, absolutely, so

667
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,519
that that that one's been, that
one's been a good one. And how

668
00:49:09,519 --> 00:49:14,000
many sizes do you have it?
Well, then that's the nice part is

669
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:19,199
coming to universal size. So uh, I think you can get one bigger

670
00:49:19,519 --> 00:49:23,360
like an XCEL, but literally come
in a in an universal size. So

671
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:28,159
I'm sure they're Yeah, they call
it the seven to eleven. They call

672
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,960
it so pretty pretty broad plays to
the middle. So it's simple obviously,

673
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:37,440
like our gloves are pretty complicated what
we're trying to do there, And you

674
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,920
know, we we spoke. We
rounded out our suite of gloves. We've

675
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:45,239
got our you know, our practice
glove. We've got our performance line with

676
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:50,079
how they have a little bit more
stretched through the knuckles and through the palm,

677
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,199
with our our cape and silky gloves, and then we've got our wide

678
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:57,000
range of we call it our classic
line. Those are you know, one

679
00:49:57,079 --> 00:50:01,920
hundred percent Cabretta leather, are super
durable, great feel. This past year

680
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:06,239
we launched the Sussex, So that
was our tournament glove. We were we

681
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,880
were lacking that. We didn't have
that, you know, that thin soft

682
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:14,599
glove. You know, we've got
the rain Rooster. Now we've got the

683
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,440
you know, the cart Mits,
Winter Mits, and then I think,

684
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:21,679
you know, we we've always had
the glove compartment. That's been a hit,

685
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,159
you know, Fred, with your
audience. That's what they get with

686
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:29,239
love. Yeah, when we when
we give to our golf Smarter ambassadors,

687
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,840
they get a glove and the gloves
storage compartment, which I think is so

688
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,480
great I love having it in my
bag because it's not the only thing I

689
00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:39,920
keep in there, but it is, you know, gloves or sleeves,

690
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:44,360
you know, like I have the
kind of sleeves that are just pull up

691
00:50:44,599 --> 00:50:46,840
because I don't like wearing long sleeved
shirts because I always get too hot.

692
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,760
But if it's just a little too
cool, I can just put those leaves

693
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:52,840
on. So I put that my
glove storage department. Nice. And I

694
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:58,519
also keep one of those little pads
that heat up, you know, of

695
00:50:58,599 --> 00:51:00,280
your feet get cool. You know
what you go also put in the apartment

696
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:09,079
as your wedding ring zips up.
Yeah, when I put it back on,

697
00:51:13,159 --> 00:51:15,519
if you can find it, no, I know where it is.

698
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:17,760
I know where it is. And
then this is our our lot. This

699
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:22,599
is sort of a compliment to the
to the to the glove compartment. So

700
00:51:22,639 --> 00:51:27,719
that was one of those things when
you held something up at our listening audience

701
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,280
you said this, and they don't
know what you sure, So that this

702
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:34,760
isn't we call this word carry it's
a it's a glove wallet, we'll call

703
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:38,960
it. So it's a it's a
higher end version of the glove compartment,

704
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:43,320
the glove compartment. Say that you
know, it's great because it's got the

705
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,360
velcrow on both sides. You can
rotate gloves during the round. You can

706
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,519
hang it on your bag, or
you can put it in your bag,

707
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,920
so it's got this is more meant
to be, you know, a spot

708
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:59,480
to keep those gloves flat and dry
between rounds, so you can preserve them.

709
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,039
It's also not you can slide it
into the side of your bag.

710
00:52:02,159 --> 00:52:07,679
You can keep it in your locker. So it's just another version. It

711
00:52:07,679 --> 00:52:10,679
can be customized. We're working with
some partners. This is obviously heavy red

712
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:14,840
rooster branding, but it could have
you know, a club's logo, or

713
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:16,599
it could be set up for a
member, guest, something that's a little

714
00:52:16,599 --> 00:52:21,239
bit more customized. And and it
doesn't hang on your bag. That's the

715
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,639
one. Some people love the glove
compartment, but they don't want something on

716
00:52:24,679 --> 00:52:29,639
the outside of their bag they've got
maybe they've already got towel and you know,

717
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,440
Rangefinder, et cetera. So this
is a sort of answer to that.

718
00:52:34,559 --> 00:52:39,880
Great great and the branding is always
there and it's a it's a great

719
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:44,599
logo. The branding is so right
on and consistent. I love that.

720
00:52:45,159 --> 00:52:50,000
Also Head Covers did you did I
see head covers on your website. Yeah.

721
00:52:50,039 --> 00:52:53,800
We we have a mix of accessories. You've got some hats and you

722
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:59,760
know, towels and headcovers and those
have all sold really well. Just you

723
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:04,880
know, some nice branding there's just
you know, we've done some collaborations with

724
00:53:05,039 --> 00:53:07,480
you know, Stitch on a golf
bag and with Precision Pro on a range

725
00:53:07,519 --> 00:53:12,639
finder. It never helps, you
know, you know, never hurts to

726
00:53:12,679 --> 00:53:15,840
get your your brand out there.
We love to see you know, the

727
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,159
headcovers usually the you know, the
best sort of visibility you can you can

728
00:53:19,199 --> 00:53:22,000
get on a golf bag. So
we've come up with some some fun things

729
00:53:22,039 --> 00:53:27,440
there. But you know, we'll
probably sold fifty thousand golf gloves this past

730
00:53:27,519 --> 00:53:30,559
year. So it's golf gloves are
what we do. That that's that's our

731
00:53:30,599 --> 00:53:35,760
bread and butter. That's our core, you know, and we love our

732
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:39,280
other accessories. They're they're great,
but we you know, are our main

733
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:45,079
thing is to continue to focus on
our on our you know, repeat customers,

734
00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:49,679
subscribers and otherwise that you know that
love our gloves and we want to

735
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:53,400
be able to offer them any glove
they'll need for for any occasion, any

736
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:59,559
weather any you know, a tournament
round, a practice round, a golf

737
00:53:59,599 --> 00:54:02,960
simula. So we feel really comfortable
with the line of gloves, the suite

738
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:07,119
of gloves, and always coming up
with, you know, some fun colors

739
00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:13,719
and style those types of things,
just seasonally to complement it. But you

740
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,559
say seasonally, you mean like depending
on a tour, like a master's colors,

741
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:21,639
think that kind of seasonal. Yeah, you're right, exactly. Okay,

742
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:25,360
Okay, Well, listen, there's
still plenty to talk about about in

743
00:54:25,559 --> 00:54:29,639
regards to your product line. So
let's take one last break and we'll be

744
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:38,960
back for our last segment. Do
you have any big brimmed hats. We're

745
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:45,599
working on a bucket hat. I
have to say, and this is one

746
00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:49,400
of those soap boxes that I get
on, but I really really wish the

747
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:58,480
PGA would step up and stop promoting
baseball caps because it's not healthy compared to

748
00:54:58,519 --> 00:55:02,480
a big brim hat exposing the sides
of your face usually if you put sunscreens

749
00:55:02,519 --> 00:55:07,079
on. If you put on sunscreen, you just put it on your face,

750
00:55:07,119 --> 00:55:08,679
but you're not covering your neck,
you're not covering your ears, you're

751
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:13,599
not covering the back of your neck. And big brims, big brim hats

752
00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:16,000
will do that, and I really
think that the PGA should step up and

753
00:55:16,039 --> 00:55:21,280
say we need to be a little
more health conscious here. But that's my

754
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:25,280
own soapbox. Yeah, I mean, I'm a redhead, so I'm a

755
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:30,800
big brim guy. I got the
I got the solar sleeves and because I

756
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:35,719
don't like to, you know,
I have to wear sunscreen, but but

757
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:39,280
I like to, you know,
protect myself. And so we are working

758
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:43,639
on so we'll share some designs with
you. We're having some fun with it.

759
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,199
We I'd love to see it,
but no, it's important too right

760
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:50,760
to have to have some options.
And it is a bit surprising that there's

761
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:54,000
not more, you know, I
mean really just Joel Damon is but the

762
00:55:54,039 --> 00:55:58,320
only guy. And even that exactly
relative. That's not a wide brim hat.

763
00:55:59,559 --> 00:56:01,639
It's it's more than a bucket.
Though it is more than a bucket.

764
00:56:02,039 --> 00:56:07,280
Yeah. Yeah. My own personal
experience with wide brim hats ended around

765
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:12,760
when I was thirteen, fourteen years
old. Back then it was the Greg

766
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:20,280
Norman Shark at right, and all
I found was that on my that's on

767
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,760
my uh yeah, it looked really
great in it, as you can imagine.

768
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:29,559
But everything I always found was that
in my through swing, I would

769
00:56:29,599 --> 00:56:32,800
hit it with the shaft of my
club and it would get you know,

770
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:37,440
flicked off my head or whatever.
And after about a week, I just

771
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:43,159
thought to myself, time for as
not it's not working. Yeah, I

772
00:56:43,159 --> 00:56:45,639
could see that. It just that
that's just what it was. I mean,

773
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,559
honestly, Fred, you're talking to
the two whitest guys you probably know,

774
00:56:49,639 --> 00:56:52,880
and Carrie and I, so we
are very familiar with the the sun

775
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:57,559
and its effects. I wear a
ton of sunscreen, always have had to,

776
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:02,840
and so but but I I hear
what you're saying, because yeah,

777
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:07,360
late later in life, it's not
super unexpected, right, you go to

778
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,519
that dermatologist and they're just saying,
well, here, here, here,

779
00:57:09,559 --> 00:57:13,239
and here, we're going to burn
these off for you before they get any

780
00:57:13,519 --> 00:57:16,320
I made some I made. I
made a series of videos for a dermatology

781
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:21,599
office and I had to interview all
these people who had skin cancer. And

782
00:57:21,639 --> 00:57:24,599
it's like, you know, people
who loved being out in the sun growing

783
00:57:24,679 --> 00:57:28,880
up and we're never you know,
using sunscreen, are never wearing big hats,

784
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,800
and now it's like they have to
and it's like it's just a simple

785
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:36,760
preventative thing to do. So yeah, yeah, turned my head. So

786
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:38,679
yeah, I just I'm not a
fan of the baseball cap because of it.

787
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:44,519
Okay. And then the other thing
going on with Red Rooster Golf is

788
00:57:44,559 --> 00:57:49,760
you guys do a podcast. We
do, and and as we talked about

789
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,360
on the pre show, Fred,
it's a lot harder than we thought it

790
00:57:52,400 --> 00:58:00,159
was going to be. So we
had exactly we had a vision of doing

791
00:58:00,199 --> 00:58:06,000
what was it, Carrie once every
two weeks, and I'd say at least

792
00:58:06,039 --> 00:58:07,760
we were we knew I was like, you know, I think we can

793
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:12,679
do every two weeks. Certainly like
once a week was an impossibility. Were

794
00:58:13,519 --> 00:58:17,280
at least we sort of figured that
out. But from the very start we

795
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:21,360
were scrambling. Yep, you know, it was just it felt like every

796
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,760
two weeks we were like under the
gun. Everything was coming down to the

797
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:30,480
wire. And so we ended up, you know, sort of taking the

798
00:58:30,519 --> 00:58:32,960
summer off. We were so busy
and doing so many different things. We

799
00:58:34,039 --> 00:58:37,280
knew we just sort of couldn't keep
up with it. And then we came

800
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,559
back to it this fall with once
a month, and we just feel like

801
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:45,920
that's what's reasonable for us. We
really love the idea I actually really enjoy

802
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,639
it. It is a lot of
work, but I just love the long

803
00:58:49,719 --> 00:58:54,000
form nature of it. There's just
a storytelling element. There isn't there isn't

804
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:58,320
a medium like it. And I
love podcasts, you know, I love

805
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:04,000
yours, and you know, there
are just a few that that I listened

806
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,840
to on an ongoing basis. I
find it relaxing. I love to walk

807
00:59:07,159 --> 00:59:09,840
and put my or even go.
You know, this morning, I went

808
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:14,800
for a run and I love to
listen to a podcast when I exercise and

809
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,280
do some different things. So I
think it is a great medium. And

810
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:22,280
we wanted to have some sort of
connection to our audience, and I think

811
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:25,119
we've found that like that cadence of
once a month is feasible for us.

812
00:59:25,199 --> 00:59:30,119
It is a big undertaking. So
we definitely appreciate what you're doing and how

813
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you're doing it. Yeah, there's
here's the secret for me to be able

814
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:40,239
to do it weekly empty nest right, just so I find if the kids

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00:59:40,239 --> 00:59:44,960
were still around, it would be
not possible to do this every week on

816
00:59:45,159 --> 00:59:49,599
no way. And I think our
idea of what we wanted our podcast to

817
00:59:49,639 --> 00:59:55,320
be was, you know, half
on the product update, development feedback side

818
00:59:55,320 --> 01:00:00,440
of it, and then also we
want to get guests from the goal world,

819
01:00:00,639 --> 01:00:04,320
and we've had a few guys on. We had Adam had went on

820
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:09,039
PGA Tour player Roger Sloane who who
just made a was about a twelve footer

821
01:00:09,079 --> 01:00:14,679
on the seventy second hole of the
Corn Fairy Tour final event to get his

822
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:17,559
card for next year on the PGA
Tour. We had him on last a

823
01:00:17,639 --> 01:00:22,760
couple of weeks ago, and just
those kind of stories are also, you

824
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:27,760
know, it's outside of the business
world of golf, but also super prevalent,

825
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:34,199
you know, because so many people
watch professional golf, they aspire to

826
01:00:34,199 --> 01:00:37,480
play better, and these guys have
some really great insights on what they're feeling

827
01:00:37,719 --> 01:00:43,760
when they're you know, in the
arena right and you get some surprising answers

828
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:51,159
sometimes. Oh, I was always
very honest about I was proverbiably doing stuff

829
01:00:51,159 --> 01:00:54,239
in my pants a lot of the
time while I was playing PGA Tour events.

830
01:00:54,320 --> 01:01:00,400
And I think it was Roger Sloane
who who said it was five man

831
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:05,880
playoff at the window, maybe a
six man playoffs a couple of years ago,

832
01:01:06,519 --> 01:01:09,920
and it was you know, Adam
Scott, Kevin Kisner, Kevin nah

833
01:01:10,599 --> 01:01:14,840
the list of players was impressive,
and he said, man, I was

834
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:19,000
so calm. I didn't know why, but I was so calm, And

835
01:01:19,079 --> 01:01:22,519
I'm thinking that's odd. It was
odd to me because it was the biggest

836
01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:28,480
moment of his entire career, without
a doubt, and all these players have

837
01:01:28,519 --> 01:01:31,760
all this pedigree and he's sitting there
like, h, this is fun and

838
01:01:32,239 --> 01:01:37,559
that's how you play your best.
How you get there is a mystery,

839
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:42,480
right, And I think that's just
an interesting part of golf competitive sports,

840
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:47,159
you know, and it's unique to
golf because it's just you alone with your

841
01:01:47,199 --> 01:01:52,440
thoughts and you can't react in the
moment like you can with hockey or baseball

842
01:01:52,639 --> 01:01:58,079
or football. Those are all reaction
sports, right, and golf is so

843
01:01:58,159 --> 01:02:00,199
different and so unique in that regard. So it's fun to hear the guys

844
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:06,280
like that talk about what they're feeling. I've always wanted to talk to Steph

845
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:09,280
Curry about his golf game. And
it's like, you know, you're so

846
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:17,119
when you're on the basketball court and
you do something big, you're like getting

847
01:02:17,119 --> 01:02:22,400
the crowd fired up and you get
all, you know, cheerleader, and

848
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:25,960
you get in somebody's face and you're
trash talking. You can't do that on

849
01:02:27,039 --> 01:02:30,239
a golf courner. How is he
able to make, you know, to

850
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:34,039
calm himself down to get to a
place in golf where he's able to play

851
01:02:34,079 --> 01:02:38,119
successfully and not do How does you
know if he did this stuff on the

852
01:02:38,199 --> 01:02:44,559
basketball court, if he would do
that on the golf course, it would

853
01:02:44,559 --> 01:02:47,000
be a complete people would not want
to play. Honestly. It's probably why

854
01:02:47,159 --> 01:02:54,440
baseball pitchers tend to be really good
golfers, because they are alone by themselves

855
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:59,599
and they have to think through their
cadence of pitches, right and think about

856
01:02:59,599 --> 01:03:01,639
the batter that's in front of them. And obviously they have coaches and you

857
01:03:01,679 --> 01:03:05,800
know the catchers kind of tell yeah, but they only play every fifth day.

858
01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:08,679
True that too, so they get
to play golf during the day when

859
01:03:08,719 --> 01:03:12,719
everybody else. That's a really good
point. I didn't think that way.

860
01:03:13,159 --> 01:03:16,320
Yeah, that's why. Yeah,
I've always I've always the middle reliever.

861
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:22,480
Well he's that he could be there
every days. The starting pictures, starting

862
01:03:22,519 --> 01:03:27,239
pictures best the best job in the
world, right, Well, if you

863
01:03:27,239 --> 01:03:31,159
can get they are most of the
guys, like the best guys in that

864
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:38,239
you know, the celebrity tournament out
in in Reno are quite often. Yeah,

865
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:43,039
former starting pitcher, Yeah, John
Small, the Tahoe one, yeah,

866
01:03:43,159 --> 01:03:45,760
John Great, Mark Mulder played for
the A's. You would know that

867
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:49,599
it's the one that Curry hit the
hole and won this pass. That's right.

868
01:03:49,679 --> 01:03:52,559
Yeah, that was That was super
cool. That was amazing. That

869
01:03:52,679 --> 01:03:58,480
was amazing. Anyway, Well,
it's great to talk to you guys.

870
01:03:58,519 --> 01:04:01,679
It was wonderful to have you back, and again I really appreciate your continued

871
01:04:01,719 --> 01:04:06,000
support of Golf Smarter. Oh,
before you go, Carrie, what podcasts

872
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:11,239
you listen to? What can you
recommend? I I go all over the

873
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:20,800
place. I love uh, I
love Dax Shepherd's podcast. It's just sort

874
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:29,679
of wide ranging. I like I
like listening to Ink magazine. They do

875
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:35,280
a lot of different like founder stories
and I love yours. And then we

876
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:43,239
have a couple of other partners group
Golf Therapy. They do a great podcast

877
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:47,280
on sort of the mental side of
golf. And and then another great partner

878
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:53,960
with the par Train, a couple
of of sort of a sort of low

879
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:59,360
handicap and a scratch golfer and sort
of their journey. So I like a

880
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,639
wide range stuff. I love audio, audio, audio books and uh,

881
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:08,440
wow, and it's kind of hard
to do both. Uh. Yeah,

882
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:11,119
I try to find the time.
I used to be a big reader and

883
01:05:11,159 --> 01:05:13,679
now i'm you know, I don't
read as much, but I like to

884
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:18,000
kind of like walk and listen.
So uh and yeah. Audible used to

885
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:23,559
be a sponsor of podcasts. Yeah, in the early days of podcasting,

886
01:05:23,599 --> 01:05:27,119
they were big on it, and
then they realized you either listen to podcasts

887
01:05:27,199 --> 01:05:29,840
or you listen to audio books.
But it's hard to do both. Sure,

888
01:05:30,119 --> 01:05:32,599
both of those into your life.
Yeah, so yeah, yeah.

889
01:05:32,719 --> 01:05:36,280
If I can recommend a podcast I'm
listening to right now, I'm just absolutely

890
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:44,800
blown away by it. It's Soledad
O'Brien from MSNBC and Rob Reiner are doing

891
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:50,840
a weekly podcast called Who Killed jfk
Oh. It's so good, oh man,

892
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:57,440
And it's all about how Lee Harvey
Oswald There's no possible way, you

893
01:05:57,519 --> 01:06:00,960
know, they're calling the greatest murder
mystery of all time. There's no possible

894
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,239
way that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. And when you start learning about the

895
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:08,599
Who's a CIA operative, You're like, oh, okay, that's me.

896
01:06:09,159 --> 01:06:12,519
Yeah, so that's my recommend.
Okay, all right, Brad, do

897
01:06:12,639 --> 01:06:15,519
you you know did you see it
on my face? Fred? Is that?

898
01:06:15,559 --> 01:06:19,800
What is that? What happened?
I'll say this? And when you

899
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:26,079
left the rooms, Brad, I
kind of figured. As Carrie was talking

900
01:06:26,119 --> 01:06:29,360
there about what he likes, I
was going through my head. Why don't

901
01:06:29,599 --> 01:06:34,199
I listened to podcasts. I've always
been a fiction reader, always been fascinated

902
01:06:34,199 --> 01:06:41,039
with spy novels, government machinations,
stuff like that. And I think it's

903
01:06:41,079 --> 01:06:47,519
because my career was so I don't
want to say out in front. It

904
01:06:47,559 --> 01:06:54,800
was just the day to day grind
was was so not tiring physically, but

905
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:59,320
tiring mentally, and I just wanted
to escape. And so I was just

906
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:03,199
a big fiction reader. So I
have not delved into podcasts, like,

907
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:08,840
not one single bit. I was
a frequent guest on a radio show here

908
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:14,079
in Raleigh, North Carolina, on
a sports radio show. The two guys

909
01:07:14,119 --> 01:07:17,119
became good friends. They got let
go, as what happens in the radio

910
01:07:17,159 --> 01:07:21,960
industry, they immediately started a podcast. I really hate the guy who replaced

911
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:26,039
them at three o'clock and guess what
I listened to in the car. I

912
01:07:26,079 --> 01:07:30,400
listened to the guy at three o'clock
because I can't figure out podcasting on my

913
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:32,599
phone I can't figure it out.
It's not hard, I know, but

914
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:36,719
the transition from I get a text, I get a phone call, it's

915
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:42,719
interrupted. I have to go back
Fred, I can't do it. Stick

916
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:48,440
to golf. I'm just a golfer. I'm just a all right guys.

917
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:53,679
Well again, thank you again for
your support and for continuing to allow us

918
01:07:53,719 --> 01:08:00,320
to give away the red Rooster glove
and glove storage compartment to all of our

919
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:03,400
Golf Smarter ambassadors who introduced an episode
as we heard at the beginning of this

920
01:08:03,519 --> 01:08:10,559
show, and continued continued success and
good luck. And I guess maybe in

921
01:08:10,599 --> 01:08:15,079
twenty twenty five we'll talk about the
companies that are trying to buy man,

922
01:08:15,159 --> 01:08:17,319
let's find out we're trying to buy. That's right, let's fast forward to

923
01:08:17,319 --> 01:08:23,439
that year. That sounds fun.
We'll definitely come on for that one.

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As you may have noticed from our
newest Golf Smarter Ambassador, Stephen Anderson from

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Cincinnati, Ohio, at the beginning
of the show, he recorded his episode

926
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:40,479
opening at home and then emailed me
the file. Could you hear the difference?

927
01:08:41,239 --> 01:08:45,840
Here's Stephen again. This is Golf
Smarter number nine hundred and twenty five,

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and now here's last week's Ambassador,
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nine hundred twenty four. Not only
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but I can understand now why.
Stephen says that besides his obsession with

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golf, he also does voiceover work. In my email exchange with him,

933
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:16,319
Stephen said that he goes to the
Masters every year because of an amazing grandpa

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that was on the wait list for
thirty years before he got tickets in the

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late eighties. He also claimed that
he found golf Smarter because he was sick

936
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:31,119
of being okay at golf. Thank
you, Steven, and how's this for

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lucky timing. Stephen chose to receive
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Brad and Kerrie at redroostergolf dot Com
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as our holiday shopping list continues to
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some of my favorite products we've come
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948
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Daniel Whalin on his flight Path golf
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949
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now claiming are the greatest golf tees
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we'll hear from Sam Hahn of Lab
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and Lucas Glover's PGA tour successes are
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