1 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:10,759 Hey everybody, and welcome to another my JavaScript story. This week, we're 2 00:00:10,759 --> 00:00:17,800 talking to K plus er. Did I get anywhere close? No, Nola 3 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:22,839 plusa. I should ask before I try. I don't speak German. Sorry, 4 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:26,399 no one. No one gets it right, not even speakers. Oh 5 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:30,839 is it not a German name? It is? But it's like when you 6 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,600 either you know it because I said it to you, or you read it, 7 00:00:34,679 --> 00:00:40,920 and when you read it it's like it's it has some some parts in 8 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:46,600 it that I've written different from how they are spelled. Oh, I gotcha, 9 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:52,799 like half of the English language. Yeap. 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Yeah, I'm a develop a Conza 26 00:01:53,319 --> 00:02:00,959 and from Germany, from Stuttgout, Germany, and nowadays I mostly blogging about 27 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:08,080 technology, about serveilers and front end development and mobile development and such things. 28 00:02:08,879 --> 00:02:19,360 Yeah, the last year I didn't do much production ready development anymore. I 29 00:02:19,439 --> 00:02:30,560 was mostly into developer relations and yeah, and this April I will start teaching 30 00:02:30,599 --> 00:02:38,039 at a university front end development to designers. And yeah, I only did 31 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:46,039 some few minor React native projects in twenty nineteen. And yeah, that's basically 32 00:02:46,159 --> 00:02:51,919 I'm I'm writing all the time these days. Nice, very cool. Well, 33 00:02:53,159 --> 00:02:55,479 this show we kind of back way up and we start with how you 34 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:59,560 got into programming, and then we kind of work our way forward to where 35 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:05,520 you are now. So let's start with how you got into programming. That's 36 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:09,639 a good question. How did I get into programming? I think the first 37 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:17,120 time I ever really programmed something small was when I was I, I don't 38 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:23,080 know, in third grade or something. I had a Commodore see sixty four 39 00:03:23,439 --> 00:03:31,599 and did some basic, basic scripting with basic that was running on this Commodore, 40 00:03:32,159 --> 00:03:39,759 And later I would do some scripting for video games. For example, 41 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:45,520 I would play Counterstrike with my friends, and you would script some stuff like 42 00:03:45,639 --> 00:03:50,719 buying the same weapons every time you would start a match so you wouldn't have 43 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:55,520 to type it manually, and such things as where the first basic stuff, 44 00:03:55,560 --> 00:04:02,639 so, like like basic modding of video games where my first introduction to programming. 45 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:11,400 Later I would do some scripting. I was in an I C channel 46 00:04:11,759 --> 00:04:15,719 or in multiple io C channels back in the days, and I would write 47 00:04:15,399 --> 00:04:21,560 scripts for bots or games or something that could be played inside these chet rooms. 48 00:04:24,519 --> 00:04:30,240 Which is kind of funny because you know, I started in when I 49 00:04:30,399 --> 00:04:35,120 was a young a young boy. I started to program bots, and this 50 00:04:35,399 --> 00:04:41,279 was something that was fine in the past for me, and nowadays people were 51 00:04:41,319 --> 00:04:45,800 starting again, Oh, we now need chat bots again, and yeah, 52 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:51,839 I found this kind of funny because it's something I've felt really old for me, 53 00:04:53,079 --> 00:04:57,519 because I like, it was years ago when I was in i C 54 00:04:57,759 --> 00:05:03,480 channels, and now people would want to have chatbots again to talk to their 55 00:05:03,519 --> 00:05:13,360 customers and stuff. Yeah. And then I found it interesting to program stuff, 56 00:05:13,399 --> 00:05:18,079 and I did some homepages for a band I had, and for friends 57 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:26,399 and such things. I started to learn HTML and CSS and later PHP and 58 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:33,240 did this in my free time for friends. And one day my school time 59 00:05:33,519 --> 00:05:39,399 was finished and people were asking me, yeah, okay, what do you 60 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:45,040 want to do with your life? And I had the two ideas. One 61 00:05:45,079 --> 00:05:50,759 was I was really good at chemistry at school, so I wanted to do 62 00:05:50,879 --> 00:06:00,079 some some apprenticeship as a chemical labor a laboratory assistant. And the other part 63 00:06:00,319 --> 00:06:06,879 was I did like to program. Yeah, So I applied for different apprenticeships 64 00:06:08,079 --> 00:06:14,879 and didn't get one. So I went to school again, and I went 65 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:19,920 to an IT school and to an IT high school, and there I did 66 00:06:20,879 --> 00:06:28,319 learn to program in C and in an assembler and things for two years. 67 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:32,639 And after that I applied for apprenticeships again, and again nobody wanted me. 68 00:06:32,879 --> 00:06:44,800 So I went to university and and I studied computer science and media and yeah, 69 00:06:45,199 --> 00:06:49,959 I did this. And while I was at at university, I had 70 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:59,279 a working student job where I did PHP programming. This was in two thousand 71 00:06:59,319 --> 00:07:06,959 and six, and I studied from two thousand and seven until twoy eleven, 72 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:14,439 I think, did my bachelor degree in computer science and media and worked as 73 00:07:14,519 --> 00:07:24,319 a developer on the site for a web analytics company. Yeah, and after 74 00:07:24,439 --> 00:07:31,240 I finished my After I graduated with my bachelor, I did some small stuff 75 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:35,720 as a freelancer for half a year. But it didn't fear. I didn't 76 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:41,839 have any any direction, you know. It was like, I don't want 77 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,600 to do the same thing I did before, but I don't know what to 78 00:07:45,839 --> 00:07:54,480 do el So I tried different projects after I graduated, and yeah, I 79 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,680 was just small stuff, I remember. The only thing I really remember was 80 00:07:58,959 --> 00:08:05,439 that I did some some agency work for which was kind of funny because these 81 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:16,839 agency they had only their Apple computers or the Macs and Firefox and whatnot, 82 00:08:16,959 --> 00:08:24,319 and I should uh, And we worked on a project for Microsoft to show 83 00:08:24,399 --> 00:08:28,240 off their new Internet Explorer, I don't know ten or something. Yeah, 84 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:39,000 but we completely did this this advertisement web page with non Microsoft technology. Yeah, 85 00:08:39,039 --> 00:08:43,360 this is the only thing I remember from my freelancing in twenty eleven, 86 00:08:43,399 --> 00:08:50,799 and later I started to to I started a front end job at the company 87 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:54,600 where I also did my working student stuff, and because they wanted to do 88 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:58,480 a new front end and they were searching for a front end developer, and 89 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:07,159 this where where my my JavaScript journey really began. Gotcha. So I think 90 00:09:07,159 --> 00:09:11,399 it's interesting just the kind of the back and forth there that you had as 91 00:09:11,399 --> 00:09:15,559 far as yeah, you know, it's like, oh, well I wanted 92 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,840 to go to an internship and that didn't work out, or an apprenticeship sorry, 93 00:09:18,879 --> 00:09:22,120 and that didn't work out. So you know, you're back and forth 94 00:09:22,159 --> 00:09:26,840 and back and forth. It sounds like programming was your fallback. Yeah, 95 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:35,399 the point was a bit because it was that I I didn't consider programming as 96 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:39,879 a via the job option. Back in the days. It was like we 97 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:46,519 had chemistry at school, and I was an a student at chemistry and it 98 00:09:46,639 --> 00:09:52,240 was like something I was really good and where some teachers told me, Okay, 99 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:56,320 you are good at this, yeah, keep going. And we didn't 100 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:03,080 have computer science or something like that at school. We had one one Excel 101 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:11,519 and what and such. Class at school in the tenth grade or something. 102 00:10:13,399 --> 00:10:18,639 But most of the people were talking about I met didn't talk about computers or 103 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:24,320 something at school. It was no. Chemistry was the only thing that was 104 00:10:24,919 --> 00:10:31,039 a real subject at school I had for multiple years and where teachers would say, 105 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:35,080 you are good at this, so I thought maybe this is it. 106 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:39,759 But then I yeh didn't get any jobs in it. So I thought, 107 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:45,120 yeah, I'm good at with computers. Yeah, so let's let's see if 108 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:50,279 I can I can make a career out of this. Yeah. It was 109 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:52,759 more hobby, you know. It was like chemistry felt like a job. 110 00:10:52,799 --> 00:10:56,840 It was like something I did at school. I could only do at school, 111 00:10:58,039 --> 00:11:03,080 and it felt like something you really where you really worked. And programming 112 00:11:03,279 --> 00:11:07,200 was something I would do at home. What was a funny, funny, 113 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:13,240 funny hobby or something I had, Yeah, where programmed some games or modeled 114 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:18,799 some games and stuff and did some stuff for friends or it didn't feel like 115 00:11:20,039 --> 00:11:24,240 some some work I was doing. And it was like, how could I 116 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:30,440 make money with something that is so fun? Yep? Yeah. That was 117 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,360 the thing that really got me too, is just I was like, this 118 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:37,559 is a blast, and they're gonna pay me for it? Okay, yeah, 119 00:11:37,639 --> 00:11:41,840 basically basically that was it was it? So how did you wind up 120 00:11:41,879 --> 00:11:46,000 doing web development as opposed to mold development or desktop development or some of the 121 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:54,440 other options that were out there? It was I hmm, good question. 122 00:11:54,559 --> 00:12:01,799 How did I wind up like that? I think the point was that I 123 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:09,360 had a friend who was a developer at the company where I later worked as 124 00:12:09,399 --> 00:12:16,759 a working student besides my studies, and they were searching for a guy who 125 00:12:16,799 --> 00:12:24,279 could do some demonstration pages for their web analytics tool. So when I started 126 00:12:24,279 --> 00:12:31,240 there, I didn't do much development. They just wanted me to install some 127 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:43,360 Umla CMS and set up there tracking proxy for this stuff, and then do 128 00:12:43,519 --> 00:12:50,840 some scripts and videos where I displayed the capabilities of their web analytics tool. 129 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:58,320 So the people who are working at the company were mostly C C plus plus 130 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:05,080 and PHP developers, but most of them were C developers and not PHP developers, 131 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:13,679 So yeah, they didn't have too many and there were some developing technology 132 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:20,679 for the web, but they weren't developing with technology off the web, so 133 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:26,320 they needed someone who does this and had time to to get to know the 134 00:13:26,399 --> 00:13:33,799 technology and wasn't too expensive. And so since I was a working student and 135 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:41,200 didn't have any any experience, I was probably a good good fit for this 136 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:48,080 and yeah, then they did many other projects in that company with PHP, 137 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:56,679 and since I did this integration with Umla, I had some PHP experience and 138 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:00,000 then yeah, it was like, I don't know, two thousand and nine 139 00:14:00,279 --> 00:14:05,879 or something, I wrote my first dressed API with PHP and yeah, that 140 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:13,159 was basically when I was h where I solidified my my Yeah, my track 141 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:18,360 record for web development awesome. So how did you wind up doing React? 142 00:14:18,399 --> 00:14:26,879 Then this was a coincidence too. I think I did a sabbatical in twenty 143 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:35,360 fourteen where I I wasn't totally satisfied with my previous job. I was working 144 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:43,799 seven years at the same company and didn't have any any It wasn't any side 145 00:14:43,879 --> 00:14:50,399 of I don't know, promotions or personal growth or something. So I stopped 146 00:14:50,399 --> 00:14:58,480 working for one year and did other things. I did some other studies at 147 00:14:58,519 --> 00:15:05,519 a university where I studied computer science, and there I worked mostly mid with 148 00:15:05,639 --> 00:15:11,240 Amber. Oh, yeah, the good old days. Yeah, that's what 149 00:15:11,279 --> 00:15:18,600 was twenty fourteen, I think where I worked with Amber and then one day 150 00:15:18,399 --> 00:15:22,360 my money was getting low and I was like, so I have to get 151 00:15:22,399 --> 00:15:24,159 a new job. So what should I do, and I was like, 152 00:15:24,639 --> 00:15:28,399 I know, I know front end development. So I was applying for some 153 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:37,919 front end development positions and yeah. I wrote a few applications and people came 154 00:15:37,919 --> 00:15:43,600 back to me, and after a few months one company said yah, yeah, 155 00:15:43,759 --> 00:15:50,279 you can work for us. And then I started and many. This 156 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:56,879 was in twenty fifteen. The main web developer there said they were using React 157 00:15:56,279 --> 00:16:00,759 and I was like, yeah, I read about this somewhere on HECA news. 158 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:04,600 I don't know, but I didn't work with React at that time. 159 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:08,320 I mean, this is I don't know, five years ago or something, 160 00:16:08,759 --> 00:16:12,879 and I only knew Emba. But I thought, yeah, I couldn't be 161 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:18,159 so much more difficult than EMBA, and so I tried it and this was 162 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:25,519 yeah, twenty fifteen. I started with React because it was already used in 163 00:16:25,559 --> 00:16:29,639 the project and I came later, so I had to use it. Yeah, 164 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:33,320 that makes sense. This episode is sponsored by Century dot Io. Recently, 165 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:37,600 I came across a great tool for tracking and monitoring problems in my apps. 166 00:16:37,759 --> 00:16:40,120 Then I asked them if they wanted to sponsor the show and allow me 167 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:44,039 to share my experience with you. Century provides a terrific interface for keeping track 168 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:45,519 of what's going on with my app. It also tracks releases, so I 169 00:16:45,519 --> 00:16:48,879 can tell if what I deployed makes things better or worse. They give full 170 00:16:48,919 --> 00:16:52,519 stack traces and as much information as possible about the situation when the error occurred 171 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,679 to help you track down the errors. 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Yeah, 180 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:33,920 that's about the time that I that I encountered a couple of I'm trying to 181 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,359 think where I encountered React, and I remember sitting at a lunch and I 182 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:42,839 think Dang, I think Ryan Florence was there and he had just switched off 183 00:17:42,839 --> 00:17:48,200 of Ember to React and was telling us that Ember was crap and that React 184 00:17:48,319 --> 00:17:56,119 was the best thing ever and I don't believe it. Yeah, yeah, 185 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,839 it was pretty funny. At the time, I was really into angulars, 186 00:17:59,839 --> 00:18:03,400 so that's where I was coming from. I was like, Okay, I'm 187 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:08,559 glad you like it anyway, So what have you done with React that you're 188 00:18:08,559 --> 00:18:15,759 particularly proud of or excited to talk about? Yeah? I am what have 189 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:22,680 I done with Reactor? I think the most successful thing I did with React 190 00:18:22,839 --> 00:18:30,079 was writing the book React from Zero, where I taught people about how their 191 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:36,200 existing JavaScript knowledge fits together with React. Because many people were like, what 192 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:41,559 is js x and how did I get these Angular records in my JavaScript? 193 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,839 And what's happening? And this book was basically the glue between this is. 194 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:53,880 It isn't a big book or something or particularly detailed, but yeah, I 195 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:59,519 think it was when it came out, something like the missing piece for many 196 00:18:59,559 --> 00:19:04,759 people who knew JavaScript and didn't know React but found it interesting because yeah, 197 00:19:04,799 --> 00:19:11,319 it's the most popular framework out there, and yeah, this was the most 198 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:19,880 successful thing I did with with React until now, I think. Yeah, 199 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,960 And it's interesting too because a lot of people are coming in so React from 200 00:19:25,039 --> 00:19:27,920 Zero is kind of a great place to come from. You also mentioned you've 201 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:38,240 done some React Native. Oh, yes, I bus was something random too. 202 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:45,519 I just was applying for some projects and then after my first React project 203 00:19:45,559 --> 00:19:51,240 and I was like, so now I need some new projects and React Native. 204 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:56,119 I know React, How hard could it be to do React Native totally 205 00:19:56,319 --> 00:20:07,119 underestimated the problem of mobile development. Yeah, so I had the I was 206 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:11,559 like, yeah, sure, I can do a reagnative project. I already 207 00:20:11,759 --> 00:20:18,480 did React for a few years and why not. And it was harder than 208 00:20:18,519 --> 00:20:23,680 I imagined because I'm sure I could use much of my reacknowledge for building your 209 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:33,160 eyes. But the hard parts of regnative warrant building your eyes. It was 210 00:20:33,559 --> 00:20:40,920 all the glue between the Native, the native run times, and the React 211 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:45,559 the JavaScript part. You know. It was like now you the people want 212 00:20:45,599 --> 00:20:55,799 in payments and yeah, suddenly I had to deal with objectives and Android bugs 213 00:20:55,839 --> 00:21:03,519 and I've I've never seen these programming languages in my life. It was just 214 00:21:03,599 --> 00:21:11,000 too much. Yeah, it was much more than I imagined. It was 215 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:18,240 much harder because when you are coming from from web development, it's it's I 216 00:21:18,279 --> 00:21:22,400 have the feeling it's much more structured. People were always oh, it's crazy 217 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:26,839 web development. How can you do it? And I'm coming from what what, 218 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,400 I don't know, cute, cute or something, and they were like, 219 00:21:30,519 --> 00:21:34,720 how can you program something like the web? It's this really big thing 220 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:41,359 with with this clunky programming language JavaScript. Then I found this much easier than 221 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:47,519 the stuff I found in mobile development. Yeah, you were like, okay, 222 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:52,119 now I have multiple programming languages and they are all a bit different, 223 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:59,599 and yeah, and then you don't not even it's not just these these programming 224 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,920 languages are different. They come with their own tooling, and Apple and Google 225 00:22:04,079 --> 00:22:11,880 have different APIs, and ye, some stuff is in is more flaky than 226 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:19,720 others, and it's it was just because everything that has nothing that had nothing 227 00:22:19,759 --> 00:22:25,200 to do with with front end development, you know. It was like I've 228 00:22:25,319 --> 00:22:29,640 built my my UI at works, and now I have to to link it 229 00:22:29,799 --> 00:22:37,880 up with with the native platform or the APIs from from Google or Apple. 230 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:45,400 And I totally underestimated this. But yeah, it's many. Many things have 231 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:49,799 have been done since since then with with the libraries and stuff, and everything 232 00:22:49,839 --> 00:22:55,599 went better and better every every time I needed to make an update. There 233 00:22:55,720 --> 00:23:00,559 As companies I I did these apps for are coming every half a year or 234 00:23:00,599 --> 00:23:04,960 something, and we need an update, or we have we got some something 235 00:23:06,039 --> 00:23:08,680 as the whole Facebook stuff, you know, when they are we want we 236 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:14,160 want some Facebook library integrated, and then they have to integrate the Facebook SDK, 237 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,640 and then you have some Facebook log in, and then Facebook would send 238 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:23,039 you every now and then some updates like oh we are deprecating this SDK and 239 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:27,799 now you have to make a new new version for something. Plus your stuff 240 00:23:27,799 --> 00:23:34,640 will stop working. And somehow I have the feeling this happens much more often 241 00:23:34,759 --> 00:23:41,640 in in native mobile app world then it happens in the web world. I 242 00:23:41,799 --> 00:23:47,400 don't know, but it just feels to me like that it's entirely possible, 243 00:23:47,519 --> 00:23:52,680 especially since a lot of those how do I put it, a lot of 244 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,599 those systems, they're they're built closer to the metal, and so if they 245 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,480 want to change the capabilities of the hardware, then they've got to change up 246 00:24:00,519 --> 00:24:04,519 drivers, which may trickle up. But I think even then, some of 247 00:24:04,519 --> 00:24:08,799 those APIs they really try hard to keep the same. So it's it's just 248 00:24:08,839 --> 00:24:11,880 a matter of yeah, the ecosystem and where you're working and what the trade 249 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:17,599 offs are, and sometimes that can get hard. Yeah, Yeah, it's 250 00:24:18,079 --> 00:24:26,079 like I said, it's just you have more more points of failure. You 251 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:30,519 know, somehow when you when you install something for for your some library for 252 00:24:30,599 --> 00:24:36,759 the web, you you usually end up with some JavaScript you can keep up 253 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:44,720 rather easily. But on on mobile you suddenly have some Objectivicy or some Swift 254 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:51,160 or Cotlin or Java or something, and and on top of that you you 255 00:24:51,279 --> 00:24:55,839 have JavaScript. And yeah, if if everything works, fine, it's it's 256 00:24:55,920 --> 00:25:02,279 cool. But if yeah, if you if someone wants some some some cross 257 00:25:02,319 --> 00:25:07,319 platform stuff, it's it gets it gets ugly rather quick. But like I 258 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:11,119 have to say, like I said, it's it's getting better every years. 259 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:15,680 It's I had some time, I had had the feeling that reg Native was 260 00:25:15,839 --> 00:25:21,839 like, yeah, getting slower and slower, and people were doing less and 261 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:26,960 less updates. But when I read some some news about yeah they were not 262 00:25:27,079 --> 00:25:33,359 testing that, and they saw all their unclosed uh, their their open issues 263 00:25:33,559 --> 00:25:37,640 and how they got more and more and that they need to do something different, 264 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,680 and they started it, I think in the beginning of the last year, 265 00:25:41,759 --> 00:25:48,240 and things really changed. Everything got much smaller, much quicker. They 266 00:25:48,319 --> 00:25:56,720 got the new JavaScript run time going, and re architected their platform. And 267 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,759 last time I did some updates, it was a big a bigger, bigger 268 00:26:00,839 --> 00:26:04,640 jump because so much changed, but that what I ended up with was much 269 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:12,640 smaller and much I felt much concise. Cool. So what are you working 270 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:19,839 on these days? Yeah, these days, I'm I'm basically a writing blog 271 00:26:19,839 --> 00:26:29,680 post for a living. Now I'm doing mostly ghost writing for for multiple companies 272 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:37,599 out there. Probably I'm a very prolific writer. Yeah, probably probably half 273 00:26:37,599 --> 00:26:41,400 of the blog post you readA from me. No, not that much, 274 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,839 but quite some. Some blogging because it's not like it's not as good as 275 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:52,759 paid, as good as developing, but it's still paid rather good if you 276 00:26:52,839 --> 00:26:57,480 write for technology related stuff because yeah, you have to have to know how 277 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:06,519 not everyone can write about out every technology and so it's yeah, it's it's 278 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:11,000 a nice job. Because I'm I'm not really you know, I'm not really 279 00:27:11,039 --> 00:27:15,839 a career guy. I'm not I'm not a freelancer because I want to make 280 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,880 the big moneies. I'm a freelancer because I don't want someone to tell me 281 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,920 that I have to be at the office at nine o'clock. You know, 282 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:30,039 I have the same problem. Yeah, that's that's that's that's the only the 283 00:27:30,079 --> 00:27:36,359 only reason. Yeah, I'm I'm like sleeping till noon every day. I 284 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:41,799 don't know when I last time set an alarm clock in my life. Yeah, 285 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:47,680 I and blogging is something I can do a really flexible. People are 286 00:27:47,759 --> 00:27:51,119 like, oh, we need this blog post, and yeah, you have 287 00:27:51,279 --> 00:27:55,519 like a week or two time to do this, because most people who are 288 00:27:55,559 --> 00:27:59,599 doing tech blogging don't do this as their main job. They do it as 289 00:27:59,759 --> 00:28:07,880 some some extra revenue source beside their developer job. And then the working hours 290 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,680 are flexible. I write when I want to, I write where I want 291 00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:18,880 to, I write what I want to, and yeah, then it's it's 292 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:26,480 not badly paid, it's okay paid, and so I can can live from 293 00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:32,160 this now. And the next thing I'm doing is because I'm mostly writing educational 294 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:37,359 blog posts about technology, I thought about doing some some real education, you 295 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:42,240 know, like with with real people sitting in front of me when I'm telling 296 00:28:42,279 --> 00:28:47,920 them what they need to know, so I get a bit better feedback of 297 00:28:48,319 --> 00:28:55,839 of them, you know, from them, because at the moment I'm it's 298 00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:00,720 like I'm throwing out my knowledge in the Internet and something. Times people say 299 00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:03,640 yeah, this is cool, and sometimes they say nothing, and sometimes I 300 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:10,279 hear most people didn't react in any way. And then years later I heard 301 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:15,519 some people they read something from me and they didn't even tell me or something. 302 00:29:15,559 --> 00:29:18,720 It's like, you don't really know if you do good work or not. 303 00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:26,039 So I saw that university here in Stuttgart was searching for an educator for 304 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:33,160 front end development for their design students, and I applied for this and they 305 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,960 were like, yeah, let's do this, and so in April, I 306 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:45,119 will teach people JavaScript in university and hope that I get better at teaching people 307 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:49,519 in general while doing so. Cool, very cool. Well, we're kind 308 00:29:49,519 --> 00:29:53,599 of getting a ways into our interview. I'm if people want to find you 309 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:59,279 online and connect with you, where do they do that? I think Twitter 310 00:29:59,359 --> 00:30:04,599 is the best. My Twitter handle is a bit hard to to pronounce, 311 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:11,440 like my name in general, I will write it into chat. That's my 312 00:30:11,519 --> 00:30:18,599 Twitter handle K for why one s. People can also write emails to me 313 00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:27,680 at K at k dot is if they're like to contact me about any I 314 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:36,759 don't know if they need a developer for mobile front end sybalist technology, or 315 00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:41,799 if they need an educator or they just need someone to write blog posts for 316 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,799 them, they can write me, or if they need some pointers about learning 317 00:30:45,839 --> 00:30:51,319 about programming in general. Yeah, so not not only business opportunities, but 318 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:56,400 also people who have some I don't know who need some pointers to learn about 319 00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,559 programming or so can write me to awesome. All right, well, let's 320 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,039 let's go ahead and do some picks. Now, you were on the show 321 00:31:04,079 --> 00:31:07,200 before we did picks, and it's just shout outs about stuff that we like. 322 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,720 So last night it might have been the night before. I think it 323 00:31:11,759 --> 00:31:18,880 was the night before I started watching the latest season of The Expanse, And 324 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:23,559 so I'm gonna pick that because I I've been enjoying that. So the TV 325 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:29,960 show sci fi series the books are pretty good, probably better than the TV 326 00:31:30,079 --> 00:31:33,319 show, but it's a close thing. Oh, so we can pick such 327 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,839 things too, Yeah, go for it. Yeah, what did I watch 328 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:45,759 the last week's I watched Undone, I think on Emerson Prime. It's an 329 00:31:45,839 --> 00:31:52,160 animated TV show I like pretty much. If you liked the movie. How 330 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,920 is it called Scanner Dockley. It's it's like Escanna Dockley. It has the 331 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:04,880 same the same graphics, and it's also a bit crazy psychologically. This is 332 00:32:05,599 --> 00:32:10,440 I'm a Shot a Shot show and I enjoyed it very much. Nice you 333 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:15,480 said that's on Amazon Prime. I think I watched it on Amazon Prime. 334 00:32:15,599 --> 00:32:20,799 Yes, yeah, it looks like there is a show called Undone on Amazon 335 00:32:20,839 --> 00:32:30,920 Prime. Yeah. It's some strange overdraw like in Scanna Escana dah. Yeah. 336 00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:36,440 Okay, very cool. Well thanks for coming and chatting with me for 337 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,079 a few minutes. I'm really appreciate it. Yeah, sure, anytime, 338 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,279 all right, folks, So we're gonna go ahead and wrap this up. 339 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:49,240 It's always fun to catch up, and we'll be back next week in the 340 00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:53,920 meantime, max out all right. Bandwidth for this segment is provided by cash 341 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:58,839 live, the world's fastest CDN. Deliver your content fast with cash Live. 342 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,920 Visit ce A c H E f l Y dot com to learn more