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One of my favorites though, is
the first time I ever got an autograph

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from Jackie Chan. He signed this
beautiful Operation Condo book for me. Great

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to meet you, Miek, and
I was like, oh, yes,

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even the simple name, he's not
gonna always get right, but but yeah,

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names here get bizarre and like like, I'm Big Mike because when I

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first came to Hong Kong, there
was about fifteen mics doing movies, so

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you rapidly became big Mike's Small Mike, Australian, Mike German, Mike Crazy

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Mike blah blah blah blah blah.
One guy turned up and was like,

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my name is Michael ted Johan and
we're like, your name is tj All

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the MIC's have been taken. Yeah, yeah, keno Laura announced it and

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someone posted, oh, I mean
unless you get your you and Mike to

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do the commentary, and we were
like, yeah, keen o'la, we'll

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be up for it. And then
like two weeks later, won the guys

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in Keen Alan was like, yeah, hi Mike, would you be up

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and doing hard to uget And that
was the start, and we've done a

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couple of more moments. We've just
myself and Honor have contributed to the missing

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an action box set for them.
We did them. And when I tracked

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down Wan John Lee for Hong Kong
Legends and I flew out. And this

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was when when the mysterious Wan Lee
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nobody, he doesn't want you to
find him. And I land at

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the airport and there's a big sign
that says Master Wang John Lee's Taekwondo and

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Hapkido Academy. I'm like, I
don't think he's keeping low profile. We

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shut like a seven hour interview with
him, holy shit, like covering everything

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like and it was something because he
began the interview very regal and as soon

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as I mentioned, okay, so
let me get this right. You were

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born in Japan, right, Oh, I want to talk to you about

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when you killed the guy in Vietnam. He was like, oh yeah,

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yeah. Sometimes people it's gonna make
me sound like an old idiot, but

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I am an old idiot, but
you know how I am in the good

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old days. In the olden days, you fell in love with a genre

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or a film and you tracked it
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all these movies. Okay, I
think I think I recognized that guy or

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that name, blah blah blah blah, and that's how you fell in love

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with the genre. Yeah, there's
a certain amount of people who I saw,

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say a Hong Kong movie or a
horror movie by a direc and went,

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oh, that was great. Google
ten best Hong Kong movies ever made

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them, saw them all in a
weekend, and then they're like, oh,

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the rest of them don't compare to
this, And you're like, right,

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yeah, because you saw all the
best ones in a week I remember

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where I'd go to Chinatown and it'd
be like, Andy Lao is in this

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movie. It could be a comedy, it could be an action movie,

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it could be a combination. I
think, let's go see it. Yeah.

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Are we starting the interview yet or
we're just kind of hanging out.

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Yeah, let's get an actual intro
and then all right, go yeah,

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hello there and welcome back to the
Disconnected. I am here with Arna Venema

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and Big Mike Leader, two of
the most entertaining commentators and Blu Ray contributors

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in the world of My opinion.
Guys, thank you so much for making

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time for this. This has been
something we've been working on for quite some

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time with Mike. Thank you much
for that that great intro. The check

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is in the male there you go. Yeah, I know, yeah,

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thank you for pronouncing my name correctly. Everybody please take notes. Very good.

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You're gonna say Anna like banana,
okay, and it will. You

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gotta say it with the accent though, otherwise it's wrong yea. For those

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that don't know, Arna and Mike
are on the ground in Hong Kong,

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both living and working there, and
they are like the boots on the ground

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for the operations for some of these
boutique Blu Ray companies. Uh what what

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all do you guys say that you
do, even because obviously you're doing like

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twenty nine different part time jobs at
once, it seems like, yeah,

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Mike, you go first, okay. I'm a costing director for film and

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TV producer, an occasional act to
myself when when the budgets too low and

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I can't find someone to take it
throw. I also do consultancy work for

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a few companies. And then I
Hong Kong thirty odd years ago as a

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fan of Hong Kong movies, and
I used to edit Impact magazine talking about

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Hong Kong and action movies internationally.
So done a lot of writing for magazines

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and books. And then I was
lying in the gatine. Young mister Venoma

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said get out of the gun and
you're blocking it. Let's do some audio

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commentaries. Yeah. Well, two
of the matter is we met on a

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set. Actually we met on a
set of a film that never was completed.

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Yes, and that's kind of well. I had a strip club in

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a comic bookshop. Yeah, and
I think I was strip club. I

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think my character along with Joe Frello, was stealing stuff from the strip club.

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And then Betweet Tasting met. So
basically my background is I run media

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production companies in Hong Kong. I've
also one of my companies has also been

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a merchandising company, so we did
we worked with companies that like, for

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example, merchandise for fifty M and
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H and V got the clothing into
the stores and things like that. I've

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done designer toys as well. I'm
on record labels. I've got albums out

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and my production company CFK, We've
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interviews and everything else for like tons
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South China Morning Posts aka gold Thread. We've worked with Nixman occasionally. I've

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just done tons of that. So
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terms of music, in terms of
commercials, in terms of interviews you name

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it. So and I've had yeah, I've had a pleasure of interviewing a

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lot of really cool people everybody from
like the producers a street Fighter too,

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to Choey Hark along with Mike to
like you know, you name it.

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So, yeah, we kind of
do a bit of everything and this concert

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stuff going on, so and I
think you'll hear a lot more in twenty

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twenty three. I'm always doing like
basically what I do in the media side,

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but I've always got little projects going
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not. And there's a lot of
new stuff coming out in twenty twenty three

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that haven't done before. I'm really
excited about that. Yeah. But in

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terms of like you make a lot
of your own music too, right,

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Yeah, I mean I'm on a
few different record labels, and I started

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making music because I was working doing
videos for that were playing in toys,

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r us and stuff like that,
and I was seeing with musicians and they

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kind of were like, tell me, oh, it costs this as much

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of that and takes me that long. No, it doesn't, because I'm

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making music myself. I started making
music for those videos, and then record

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label started hearing, going, oh
making the music for that igo, uh,

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because I couldn't say it was me
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and so, and like eventually had
to say, yeah, it was me.

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And then basically like I ended up
putting out a lot of music with

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different record labels and stuff, and
my musical has been like licensed by like

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audio us to play in stores and
here and in China and things like that

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as well. So yeah, no, the music side's fun, like electronic

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music mostly, and I play live
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live in Thailand for the first time, like two three weeks ago, I

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think, so just go back.
So that was really fun. Yeah,

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just so so yeah. So after
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Thailight and I landed ching my I
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I landed, I played live with
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and I really could dude. Then
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there for two weeks. Oh,
I finally off at Thailand and I'm relaxing.

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I've been out over three and a
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just hanging out with Mike Chad,
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basically we're like, oh, we
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We were like, oh, let's
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three in the morning in an area
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I felt I broke my arm,
so like right here, right here,

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he so, yeah, as you
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I ended up my vacation days I
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one. I've retired from all that. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. Do

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you guys know how many audio commentaries
you've done together so far? We have

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a rough estimate. I try and
keep track of it, but to be

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honest, it's a little hard.
Sometimes. We're around the eighty plus mark

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right now, so I'm getting close
to one hundred. So I have an

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Excel sheet with all this stuff on
there. Cool. I'm the one who

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keeps track of all this stuff like
that. Yeah, yeah, I meant

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what I said at the beginning,
you guys are obviously one of the most

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compelling, energetic, exciting people to
listen to on some of these commentaries and

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what Obviously I can just gush all
day long, but what do you think

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you bring these go? What do
you what do you as a team being

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uniquely to some of these commentaries.
Just to try to entice some people to

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listen more, how to say,
like it's I think it's keep yeah,

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I think I think I think we're
huge nerds, and I think trying to

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find a nice way to say that. I think back in the day where

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it was not cool to be a
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do any commentaries, No, I
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like to keep things kind of loose
and fun. I mean, we know

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a lot about these movies and stuff, but I think our main concept with

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it is just keep the energy there
and have fun watching it. And I

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think it's same thing with any media
production that you do, like being music

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or film, whatever, if you
have fun doing it, like obviously not

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too much fun, but if you
have to keep it someone serious. But

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if you have fun doing and keep
the energy there, people think feel that

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they'll connect with the audiences at home, and people said, it's like hanging

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out with your friends, and in
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we do our research and we're serious
that we give good information and accurate information

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and stuff like that, but we
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hopefully people at home have that as
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the whole time, but that's the
problem that sometimes you've got that where you

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know someone's reading out whelm after whelm
of stuff and you're going, that's great,

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but it's so obvious. You're literally
just going ah, and then you

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know Ryan was born on this day
and at seven fifty five am, and

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you're like, really, you know, And I think it's having that sometimes,

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having the enthusiasm, Like there's some
movies where young mister Vendla will have

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to slap me to stop my enthusiasm
advice because you're like, because there's some

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movies that I've been like, O, hey, we should do another commentary

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because there's still so much we haven't
discussed. Right, there's some movies where

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we're able to bring, like you
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on them, from talking to people
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them ourselves or whatever. It's you
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and without trying to be like listen
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you. You know this, it's
that's not the commentary I want to hear,

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you know, right, I want
to hear the thing. You know,

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sometimes on commentary you'll hear stuff and
you know, I never thought of

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that. I've never come in from
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sometimes when we're doing interviews, you
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when we interviewed Troy Hark, Yes, Troy Hark's team were like, you

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might get twenty minutes, but you
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oh great, this are going to
be fun, and we've got two

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and a half hours because he went, these guys know my stuff and are

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asking some fun questions. As opposed
to mister CHOI watched the bizarre political backstory

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to the significance of the character wearing
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Once Upon a Time in China,
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comic books and stuff like that.
Obviously, Choy is a very visual guy.

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He likes comic books. He likes
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And he started telling us of all
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he used to do. Like he
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one point they bought these new cameras. They got four at the studios work

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out. They are four of these
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damaged these cameras. By the end
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because he's having so much fun,
Like because they're smaller, they can do

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more wacky, like sneaky things with
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of it's like I destroyed the ball. But it was really good fun to

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destroy them though, So he was. He's a really fun, energetic guy.

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And I don't think you have a
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being so enthusiastic and so visual and
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So I think Troy geled with us
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do an audio commentary with him one
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that'd be a lot of fun.
Like I did a commentary with a director

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Ronnie You from Feelis and Bribal White
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Legacy of Rage. The Brandon Lee
movie and I love that movie, and

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I thought I knew everything about that
movie, and Runni's like my uncle.

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I love running, and Running proceeded
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all this stuff that I was going, well, what you're like about why

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certain scenes were done certain ways,
and like, well, the reason this

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action scene is like that is because
Brandon ref you do what they only wanted,

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and we changed all this, like
your Brandon at the time hadn't wanted

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to do a lot of fighting,
so it became more of a heroic bloodshed,

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you know, gangster movie. And
it's just it's if we can get

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people from the movies. The problem
is sometimes it's hard to do a commentary

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with someone unless they're comfortable with it. And like like say we've got Godfrey

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knows his movies backwards, like Godfrey
will will go no, no, no,

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directed this movie, and no I

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didn't do that Like Robo Vampire.
Godfrey did not direct Robo Vampire. Everyone

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claims that, and Godfrey was like, no, I didn't direct that movie.

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did it. Why did you do
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we did another one. Yeah,
and you know, and he has he

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has a very good memory of his
stuff. Sometimes it is scary that you

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interview here will go they have no
memory of this movie. They have no

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memory situation. Yeah, and it's
just I think, yo, Like,

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we come in and we're very much
fans of the genre and all kinds of

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genres, like, yeah, we
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the action movies. We're like horror, science fiction. Yeah. Yeah.

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Like one of the commentaries I really
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Split Second, Yes, starring Look
lutter Hower. I've gone over this with

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you so many times. I was
like, Okay, the later cast is

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a Dutchman and an Englishman. You
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That's how we pitched it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Well. The weird thing about audio
yeah yeah, the weird thing about audio

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commentaries is I gotta say that sometimes
we come up with stuff in audio comedies

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like oh, they're gonna love this, wait till they wait till they hear

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this fact about this audio commentary more
the swing pool thing I'm referring to mainly

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in like, there's a movie called
Hero, which is an audio commentary.

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swing pools are built and everything else, and then well I will say exactly

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what it was. And then when
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they hear this fact. It's amazing
no one's ever talked about it. We're

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like, that is the greatest thing
about swinging point. I'm actually surprised that

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after I pointed out on the Police
Story three super Cup that it's not me

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show you we're doing the jump,
it's actually brucelloer and be sure. I

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was on a wire for this thing. I was for there to be this

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big either Mike has destroyed the myth, Mike has destroyed the legend, or

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like, oh why did he do
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have disappeared. Nobody realizes. Yeah. What's also weird is we did want

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audio comedy for a movie called The
Old Master, which was the most difficult

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audio commentary we ever did, and
we're after that one that was the only

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one after We're like, oh,
man, I hope people like this,

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and that became one of the most
popular audio comedaries that everybody ever asked us

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about. Why. I think part
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talking about the fact that this movie
was obviously made to laun Yeah, yeah,

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all right, let's stop at one
point, like they're just driving out

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a carry go okay, This lady
dump is called filler because and then then

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and then this disco dancing as well, and then it's such a bizarre movie.

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teacher and he was probably seventy five

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to eighty when he made it.
Yeah, and he's teamed up with Bill

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Louis, an American Filipino karate legend
who at one point does robot kung fu

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because it was it was the late
seventies. Yeah, people love that.

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People really and we were afterwards going, that's gonna be hard. Well,

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I think the whole friendship hanging out
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special for you guys. And it's
true because if you're going to be learning

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something, you hanging out on a
couch with a couple of people is the

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best way to get that feeling.
Basically, exactly like they're they're even in

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Hong Kong. There's a Samo Hong
movie called Pentyhose Hero. It's politically in

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correct movie, which I somehow don't
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by anyone any point. It'd be
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I'll tell you that it has a
big warning of it. But like,

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I arrived in Hong Kong just as
I were shooting that movie. And there's

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the scene where Samo gets hit by
a car and you see his body folding

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ways of body shouldn't shouldn't fold yea
and Samo spent about a week in hospital

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at the time and was doing a
lot of interviews about, ah, you

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know, I'm suffering from my art
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is all about. About ten years
ago, I was at Samo's house and

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it's on TV and we're and just
in the background and Samo's brother, whose

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name is y Fe Fat number Two's
cantonese okay, e Fe goes mate,

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that's me. I'm like, what
he goes get hit by the car.

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I'm like, holy shit, I'm
like, how long did you go to

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the hospital for him then well I
didn't go Yeah, he was like,

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I was fine. I looked at
Samo and Samone was like promotion for the

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movie. Yeah, Samo really is
very good at being Samoe. I know

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that. It's just he's like he's
he's such an entertainer and he's such a

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creative dude. I mean, it's
like, but he's got the balls the

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size of coconuts because he just does
stuff like that. He goes, this

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is gonna be amazing, like he's
been uprising as well. Very much like

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if you can get Samo on it
on a good day, you're great.

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Hong Kong film, right He's like, hey, let's go stop to Samo

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and Samone was like big brother mode. He's walking through there like he's gonna

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beat the whole of film right up. And I was like, we'll talk

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to him another day. You're really
angry, man, I don't know who

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he's gonna go see but that guy. But but you know, that is

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the thing, so exactly. Sometimes
that's where you learn stuff, and same

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from Grant. There's stuff I remember
in conversation going holy shit, that made

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much more sense than someone trying to
lecture it to me, you know,

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and the same thing. I'm honestly
yeah, yeah, I think I know

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the same thing. These are the
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department store in England. I used
to sell lights and fittings and I was

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bored shitless. Yeah, and then
I was like, you know what,

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Uh, I've seen some white guys
in Hong Kong movies. I could go

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there. Maybe I'll stay a week
or two. I could probably be there

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for a while. Maybe I can
get to be in a movie. And

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thirty two years later, I'm still
here. And you know, Anna was

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like, maybe my family built a
tunnel across the Hong Kong Harbor. Now

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we were going We were going to
Hong Kong every down again, because I

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was spending most of my summers in
Thailand because my fat a lot of my

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relatives my mom's side, are born
in They were there. They're Caucasian,

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but they were born in Thailand.
They'll speak Thai and they read it and

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had Thai passports at the time and
stuff like that. So we spent every

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summer in Thailand. So I just
through osmosis of like what was on the

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television, even though some of it
was in TI, sometimes it was in

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English. I was watching like Hong
Kong movies. I don't know what the

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first Hong Kong movies that I watched
because I was so young, But I

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think the movie that made me want
to move to really want to move to

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Hong Kong was actually Beast Cops when
I saw that, because that really like

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that was like, that's then Anna's
obsession with Michael Wong. Yeah, don't

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meet all your heroes. Let me
just put it that way. That's all

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I'm saying about that. But it's
uh Jesus, but like now, but

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yeah, no, But Beast Cops
really was like a film's like okay,

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yeah this because I felt that was
really about like it showed Hong Kong off

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in a very unique way, and
I liked it a lot. It just

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looks so freaking cool. And that's
when, like, you know, and

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that's again I talked a bit about
earlier. There's like the subbelly of Hong

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Kong cinema. You've got all the
big stuff on top, like the Jackie

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Chans and the Samuhungs and everything else, and then you've got this like underlying

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when you get under that. I mean,

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the stuff stuffs good. But if
you're only deep, Beast Cops is

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a good transition into like the underlying
stuff, because that's really about living in

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Hong Kong in that period. I
mean, the stories are kind of fantastical,

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but a lot of the environments you
can really soak them up in that

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and all those locations still exist today. So it's a I love that movie,

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man. I hope we get to
do an audio commentary for that.

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That's that's all my list of movies
I really want to do an audio commentary

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for. So yeah, along with
Panteo Zero. So yeah. Past Impact

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a big one for us, man. Someone out there, give us double

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impact. Give us double impact now. A couple of years ago, it

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was a very bizarre. It was
a very bizarre weekend. I was hanging

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out with John Claude van Dam and
we were having an argument and I was

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accusing him of being oh God,
and being an idiot, and he was

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like, Okay, make when am
I not an idiot? And I was

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like, when you teach martial arts
when you're teaching karate. You you behave

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yourself. He was like, okay, Mike, call ten of your friends.

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I will teach them karate tomorrow.
Yeah. So it's about ten o'clock

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at night on a Saturday, and
I messaging and go, hey, tomorrow

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and you and Joe to shoot this. I need like about seven or eight

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people to come and learn martial arts
from so on a close up a bunch

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of people. I call up a
couple of people. Next day we will

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meet and I'm like, okay,
guys, you wait here. I'm gonna

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go at the ground floor of Jong
Claws running. I'm gonna go get shown

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Claude. I got it there.
It takes an hour to get shown Claude

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to come down because people downstairs and
he's like, He's like, why are

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these people here? What do they
want? I'm like, you you told

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me to call the No I did
it, And I'm like, yes,

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you did, Mike. I don't
have a karate gee aha, but I

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do. So basically downstairs, he's
messaging me and I got all these people

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staying like and they're like, is
this a prank? Are you playing a

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prank? And this gun? No? No, no, Like dude,

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I swear to God if John has
come down, I got a lot of

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questions to answer. So just grab
people on a Sunday, drag them out

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in the middle of like this area
and going like, oh, you want

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to hang out John Clow and Damn
and shoot a karate like instructional video.

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They're like that sounds like a prank. This is playing pranks and like I'm

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yeah, after and now I bring
you up down And he's very amiable and

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very friendly. And we walked to
the gym in his building and it's one

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floor up. Yeah, so Anna
and Joe and everyone have all the equipment.

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So John C's like, I take
the lift because I'm Van. Dam

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It's like this it's just glass elevator. We're just all watching going up standing

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there in the equipment. We're like, how did you remember watching him going

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up? Go Jesus Christ Joe Club
taking a glass elevator up and we got

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so then we're setting up and I've
said and Sean Claude on the way down

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to be like, Mike, are
these guys good people? Are they all?

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And I'm like yeah, yeah,
I said, oh one of them's

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the guy called Joey's wearing glasses and
went, if you kind of want to

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funk with him a bit, you
can. So we're setting up and John

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Claus being like, Hello, nice
to meet you, blah blah blah blah

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blah. Okay, I'm getting ready
to shoot. Are we ready to shoot?

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And Anna's like yep, I'm good, and Joe is like yeah,

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yeah, I'm just trying to fix
this, and he's fixing the horse this

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camera. Fix it. You bring
something that is broken to film van Dad

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And I was like what And then
John close starts for and kicks at him

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like his head like that closed his
head, and Joe starts sweating and later

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and he's like, you know how
weird it is? I mean by hearing

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three kicks next to my head,
I can't get the war shoes to fit

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on this camera, like you doing
that kind of thing. And then then

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we had we had a very good, like one hour training session with Jong

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Floor where he's great fun. And
then it's good. We sit down to

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have a coffee and a chat and
he proceeds to like and Honor explains that

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you know, Anna tells him the
story of how you know, like you

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don't know how I first came aware
of you, mister continued, Yeah,

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well, basically what happened was I
was in Belgium at the time and we're

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we're ethnically Dutch, and at one
point we're walking by the Supermarke call Delhaz

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and I go. My dad goes, oh, you see that guy on

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the walk. They sell these videotapes. This is back like when they stole

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sold videotapes. And there's all these
movies and there's like Stallone and Schwarzenegger and

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then there's Vandam and he goes,
see see this man van Dam. He

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pulls out the videotapes. He's one
of us because Bena lux you know Netherlans

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Belgian Luxburg. He's one of us. You should watch this. And that's

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and that movie was double impact,
and Double Impact made me ware of editing

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and everything else. And I was
like, okay, I'll watch. And

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that's also one of the movies that
first when we go, oh, Hong

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Kong's cool, and we end up
visiting Hong Kong War after that, right,

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and I watched this movie and go, oh my god, this's really

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cool. I told Jean Claude about
this. I go, oh, Jean

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Claude like, you know, my
dad showed me the video. He said

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we were one of you, like
you were one of us, and Joan

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clothes like, yes, I ain't
one of us. Yes. He's like

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sitting there like absorbing this and loving
it. And then I watched the movie

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Jean Claude and I really want to
get into filmmaking. And like years later,

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I'm in Hong Kong. I kind
of saw Hong Kong through there and

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I'm in front of you and it's
full circle and it just shot with you,

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and he goes, yes, this
it is magical. We almost be

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aware of how how things come around
and stuff like that. He gives his

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whole speech. One week later,
however, he's asking me, Mike,

407
00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:03.279
where is your friend the little guy, the one who owns the supermarket in

408
00:27:07.119 --> 00:27:14.279
Belgium. That's totally not the story. Remember he owned the video show I

409
00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:18.920
used to go there. It's like
okay, yeah, and later on he's

410
00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:22.720
like oh he means okay, right. That that was how I met I

411
00:27:22.759 --> 00:27:26.599
met him once very before, very
briefly, outside of club, and I

412
00:27:26.680 --> 00:27:27.960
was like, oh wow, but
I don't think he remembers me from that.

413
00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:33.000
But that's how I properly met his
own Claude and yeah, that was

414
00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:37.920
that was trust me. I have
I have sat down with him to try

415
00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:44.240
and record audio commentaries. It's been
a John Cloud. Please let's do it.

416
00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:51.480
Like originally for for Double Impact,
I got him interested in the idea

417
00:27:51.480 --> 00:27:56.440
of let me shoot interviews with you
as Jean Claude, VANDAM and as Chad

418
00:27:56.440 --> 00:28:02.880
and Alex and I was like,
oh, I like that idea. I

419
00:28:02.920 --> 00:28:06.279
was like, let's do that.
And it's but it's just the same thing.

420
00:28:06.319 --> 00:28:10.319
It's getting him on his schedule and
getting him when he's when he's when

421
00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:15.240
he's in the mood, because like
he if you can get him up,

422
00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:21.359
he's he's got so much to talk
about, and just if you can get

423
00:28:21.440 --> 00:28:23.160
him on the right days, you
can get magic out of him. It's

424
00:28:23.200 --> 00:28:27.799
just sometimes it's that thing where he'll
he'll be like, Mike, let's do

425
00:28:27.839 --> 00:28:30.079
an interview. I'm like, it's
straight o'clock in the morning, dude,

426
00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:37.640
Like, but yeah, he's an
interesting guy though, because like you can

427
00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:41.160
sit down with him and ask him, Yo, what was it like like

428
00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:42.960
being around in the eighties and the
nineties when like, you know, all

429
00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:45.680
the big action heroes were Because to
me, it's almost like a high school

430
00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:48.559
class, and you go, I
said that to him, it was like

431
00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:49.799
a high school class, like you
guys, he goes, Yeah, kind

432
00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:52.920
of was like that because it's weird, like dynamic with each other. And

433
00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:56.240
I think that now they're a lot
better with each other and so like that

434
00:28:56.319 --> 00:28:59.599
obviously, but I mean, yeah, I think that's the same as Jackie

435
00:28:59.599 --> 00:29:03.799
and Jet. Like back in the
nineties, Jackie and Jently would constantly snipe

436
00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:07.480
at each other. Of course,
we're jetly taking it further with high risk,

437
00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:12.079
you know, and then claiming I
didn't know that movie was making fun

438
00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:18.839
of Jackie Chan honestly, yeah,
no, smart guy with the interesting dynamics.

439
00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:22.559
I got to ask, how do
you guys feel about the martial arts

440
00:29:22.599 --> 00:29:27.119
and kung fu fandom nowadays compared to
say, fifteen years ago, because some

441
00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:32.400
people would say, like the early
two thousands might be like the golden era

442
00:29:32.559 --> 00:29:37.039
of fandom. It depends because when
I first started getting into Hong Kong movies,

443
00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:40.559
I had to deal with some of
the fans who are like, oh,

444
00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:42.880
you can't watch that movie. You're
not ready for it yet. You're

445
00:29:42.920 --> 00:29:48.079
not like like oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you need to work your

446
00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:55.160
way up and sucks. Yeah,
and it says we said the you know,

447
00:29:55.279 --> 00:29:57.400
like I common understand, like,
yeah, there was that time where

448
00:29:57.400 --> 00:30:03.240
we I remember going to see A
Better Tomorrow and the poster looked like it

449
00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:07.279
was a bunch of school teachers.
So my friends were like, oh,

450
00:30:07.319 --> 00:30:10.960
we'll come later for the second show. When my friends arrived, I was

451
00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:14.039
like, you do not know what
you've just missed. This is like this

452
00:30:14.160 --> 00:30:17.640
incredible action movie. But I would
never be like, oh no, sorry,

453
00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:21.839
Ryan, before you watch A Better
Tomorrow, here's your homework. I

454
00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:26.559
think you need to watch Headhunters with
Giant Fat, this show, you need

455
00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:33.039
to watch Teelong and Avenging Eagle and
possibly you know such and such. But

456
00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:40.720
I think that's the problem that it's
like there is a section where some people

457
00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:45.440
don't seem to understand that some of
these movies didn't travel. Some of these

458
00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:51.920
movies only played in certain markets.
And the good and bad thing of social

459
00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:57.640
media is like some people who appeared
in those movies have reinvented themselves very heavily

460
00:30:57.680 --> 00:31:06.319
on social media and had much bigger
careers than they really did. You know

461
00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:11.480
it, And it's like it's it's
it's funny because sometimes you'll get those like

462
00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:19.359
like prime example, we had finished
up on the movie Abduction with Scott Adkins,

463
00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:22.799
and I was bringing Scott back to
Hong Kong so he could fly out,

464
00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:29.160
so like you do when you've just
finished a movie. We're on the

465
00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:32.519
slow boat back to Hong Kong and
Scott's like, okay, Mike, what

466
00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:34.079
movies have you got in your computer? What can we watch? And I'm

467
00:31:34.119 --> 00:31:37.559
like, well, I've got the
young cut version of King of the Kickboxes.

468
00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:41.640
And he's like, okay, I
want to watch that. So we

469
00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:45.680
start watching it on the ferry and
Scott starts live streaming, like this is

470
00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:48.240
what it's all about, Like,
you know, I just finished making a

471
00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:52.400
movie with Mike. Now with live
streaming, you know, watching King of

472
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:59.039
the Kickboxes. Lauren Avandon called me
at that point and I handed the phone

473
00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:02.799
to Scott and Scott came. An
eight year old boy. Scott was like,

474
00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:06.839
I met you when I was a
kid, and like it was an

475
00:32:06.839 --> 00:32:08.599
event in London and I asked you
if one day, if I trained hard,

476
00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:12.880
could I be a movie star like
you? And you know, he

477
00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:15.720
goes and Lauren, you looked at
me and smiled and went, sure you

478
00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:20.119
can, kid, and that meant
so much to me. Lauren's like,

479
00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:25.160
who are you? I get the
phone back from Scott and Lauren's like,

480
00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:29.440
is he taking the piss? I'm
like no, I'm like I was like,

481
00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:31.039
Scott is one of us, you
know. And that's the thing,

482
00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:37.240
Like there's certainly like like Scott,
Scott knows his movies backwards. He knows

483
00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:45.319
everyone else's movies backwards. Scott is
very much He's not an action star slumming

484
00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:47.279
it. Like there's some people were
like, well, I'll do these action

485
00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:51.519
movies and then I'll get to just
do my dramatic roles, and action is

486
00:32:51.559 --> 00:32:55.160
beneath me. Scott loves the action. Scott knows it's hard. Scott puts

487
00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:58.799
in the training, he knows all
the thing he has to put up with,

488
00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:00.720
but he's doing it because he loves
it. Because this is the stuff.

489
00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:05.160
And that's why you can see when
you watch like Accent Man two,

490
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:07.440
for instance, he's putting it,
he's you know, he's throwing it all

491
00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:12.880
down, you know. And I
think that's what some of sometimes people forget.

492
00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:19.319
And the same way I think sometimes
fans sometimes I get the nobody sets

493
00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:23.119
out to make a bad movie.
Yeah, making a movie. Sometimes you

494
00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:28.279
can do so much and then something
happens, either in post production or money

495
00:33:28.359 --> 00:33:32.920
vanishes, or someone passes away or
anything. You know, Like you look

496
00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:37.200
at the Crow for instance, if
the crowd, if the Crow had been

497
00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:42.559
done by Cannon, you know,
they'd have just been like, oh,

498
00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:45.640
it's okay, just shoot his legs
and just you know, like you know,

499
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:50.119
it would have been the worst way
to finish that movie, whereas you

500
00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:52.160
know, Miramax were able to go, Okay, let's spend some time and

501
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:57.839
money and do it in a way
to honors brand and complete the movie.

502
00:33:57.880 --> 00:34:02.680
You know, I think sometimes people
forget the budgets have changed. And that

503
00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:07.119
also flips on piracy. When you
get all the people are like, well,

504
00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:09.199
I'm going to download it and then
maybe i'll buy it when it's cheaper.

505
00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:14.559
You know, I'm like, guys, you can't do that. Yeah,

506
00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:17.559
it's right. And you know,
there's still this thing where people think

507
00:34:17.599 --> 00:34:21.800
they're sticking it to the man,
and you're like, no, you're not

508
00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:25.440
sticking it to the man, the
hard boot working boutique label. You're sticking

509
00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:30.599
it to you Like, you know, that is the problem, Like to

510
00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:35.800
now get like a thirty day shooting
schedule for like a for something like a

511
00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:39.760
sky Akins movie or something that's you've
had to pull in some heavy shit to

512
00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:44.880
get to that schedule, you know. And it's like, whereas it late

513
00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:47.440
in Hong Kong, you can do
a movie in fifteen days and you know

514
00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:52.280
you like, and you can turn
it around and you can do ridiculous hours.

515
00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:57.440
You can't always do that in the
West, and sometimes you're very limited

516
00:34:57.440 --> 00:35:05.119
by it. Like the longest I
ever spent on set is tied for two

517
00:35:05.159 --> 00:35:08.239
movies, Once upon a Time in
China, Part two. I think I

518
00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:15.079
was on set for sixty something hours
because we were doing the reshoots, and

519
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:21.480
we finished the reshoots on the Monday, and the movie premiered the following Saturday.

520
00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:30.440
And then another movie called Invincible,
starring Billy Blanks and Jerry Trimble.

521
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:36.639
It's a French foreign legion movie shot
in Hong Kong. Completely mad movie the

522
00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:39.599
director. The movie stopped production for
six months because the director beat up the

523
00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:45.760
main actor, as you do.
And then when they finally all came back

524
00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:51.079
together, they brought in they brought
everyone back for the ending, and they

525
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:55.320
brought back Billy Blanks, Jerry Trimble
and Stephanos micklass and we had seventy two

526
00:35:55.400 --> 00:36:00.280
hours. Oh jeez. And because
it was like, I guess, as

527
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:07.440
these guys wrap their gun and people
don't get how hard you're working, you

528
00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:12.039
know, and it's you. People
forget on something like you on a big

529
00:36:12.039 --> 00:36:15.280
Hollywood movie, they'll forget. Yes, Yah, Fast and Furious had three

530
00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:20.880
and a half months of prep and
this much time for shooting and it still

531
00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:24.239
looks like a video game. Yeah, these guys went out and did it

532
00:36:24.239 --> 00:36:30.559
for real. And I think sometimes, you know, people forget that times

533
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:36.840
have changed, budgets have changed,
safety issues have change. Is going to

534
00:36:36.920 --> 00:36:43.519
say that changed like that? You
know. There's a Hong Kong movie called

535
00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:47.920
Fatal Termination where at one point a
friend of ours, Mike Abbott, is

536
00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:53.119
the wild eyed foreigner kidnapping the window
little girl and he's holding a little girl.

537
00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:58.199
Okay, it's a fake arm on
a brace on a on, a

538
00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:04.199
holding arm out the window of a
speeding car that's driving through real traffic and

539
00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:09.280
it's not a control road and she's
swing through. The stunt coordinator of that

540
00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:15.039
is a guy called Ridley Choy Troy
Boa, incredible stuntm and coordinator, and

541
00:37:15.079 --> 00:37:20.000
he was always like make that was
safe. That was perfectly safe. And

542
00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:22.800
then when he had I was like, so would it be safe if we

543
00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:28.079
did it with your son? No
that I was like, oh, but

544
00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:31.800
a week ago it was safe because
it's not my son. And you go,

545
00:37:34.519 --> 00:37:38.639
you know, action movies, you
take some serious knocks, like like

546
00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:44.719
I was laughing about Ona, you
know, breaking his arm skateboarding. I

547
00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:49.079
was doing a movie in Vietnam and
I completely dislocated my shoulder and then had

548
00:37:49.079 --> 00:37:53.320
to spend half of the movie with
a sling designed into my jacket. So

549
00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:57.639
for half of the movie, I'm
like, ah, hey, how you

550
00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:00.719
doing. I've constantly got a glass
of wine or gum or a bunch of

551
00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:06.760
flatwers because I'm like I can't.
I'll tell you something. I'll tell you

552
00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:12.719
something interesting. We just shot a
location video for I can't say what it

553
00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:15.480
was, before a movie that's gonna
be on one of the Blue Rays.

554
00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:17.440
And I shot the first half of
that before along with Mike, before we

555
00:38:17.480 --> 00:38:20.760
went to Thailand, and I had
to finish off my half because I got

556
00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:22.719
food poisoning. I figure about here, I just shot that the other day.

557
00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:27.800
I have a broken arm in that
in that in that thing. So

558
00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:29.840
when you see me in the thing, I'm like holding my hands like in

559
00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:32.679
front of my thing that let my
left arm in that is broken. Well

560
00:38:34.519 --> 00:38:37.320
I want I wonder people will notice. Like, so that's a little bit

561
00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:38.320
trivia you can have. So when
that comes out, I'll let you guys

562
00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:43.239
know which one it is. Yeah. But so sometimes like we've had as

563
00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:47.440
we like we've left base, sometimes
Hong Kong location can vanish overnight, like

564
00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:52.920
well, yeah, yeah, we
had that when we shot the Police Story

565
00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:55.440
location video, like the last day
that that building was gonna knocked down,

566
00:38:57.559 --> 00:39:00.519
which is the building that yeah,
from that, like Jackie Chan like walks

567
00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:02.960
out there with Michelle Yo and something
that we walk up to there and they

568
00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:05.599
go, I go, oh my
god, this is the building they were

569
00:39:05.599 --> 00:39:07.239
in because we find the location and
then they go, oh, we're about

570
00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:08.960
to knock the whole thing down.
And as we're up to tear it on

571
00:39:08.960 --> 00:39:12.920
the sign, can you just sign
up there for like ten more minutes while

572
00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:14.920
we stand in front of the go
this is the old building and they're like

573
00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:16.800
why for this movie? They go, oh really we showed them have seen

574
00:39:16.840 --> 00:39:20.800
They go, holy hell, yeah
that's where that's from. So we shot

575
00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:23.079
that and then literally after we turned
off the camera, they knocked that entire

576
00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:27.480
front of that building. So that's
the last footage we ever got of it.

577
00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:30.599
Yeah, so you know, you
brought up a piracy mic. I'm

578
00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:34.119
curious that. I don't know if
I'm just generalizing a little too much,

579
00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:39.960
but it seems like the whole Asian
market gets hit by piracy much more in

580
00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:46.000
a detrimental way than other markets.
Do you know why, Well, I

581
00:39:46.360 --> 00:39:53.119
know why. I think the problem
is so on a legal ground, copyright

582
00:39:53.159 --> 00:39:59.079
laws are a lot less hard to
enforce down here. That's just a fact.

583
00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:01.840
The copyright in Hong Kong are a
lot looser than say the United States

584
00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:07.519
in America. Same thing goes from
Thailand. Japan's a bit better, but

585
00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:12.320
and definitely in China they are more
or less non existent. So that's the

586
00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:16.360
first reason. The second reason was
through the invention of things like VCD.

587
00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:19.599
Back in the day, it became
very easy to pirate things. This is

588
00:40:19.639 --> 00:40:22.679
before the digital age, because a
lot of stuff is done electronically. Now,

589
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:24.960
it was cheap and fast to pirate
things, and film was seen is

590
00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:29.960
more disposable things that got hit up
a lot. That being said, though,

591
00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:32.559
I think nowadays piracy is just as
much prevalent all over the world because

592
00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:36.880
of the wonders of the Internet,
you know, double edged sword type argument.

593
00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:37.960
I love the Internet, by the
way, I'm all for it.

594
00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:45.400
But it's just I think that's that's
yeah. I mean, we've actually uh

595
00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:49.880
seen stuff we've worked on pirated in
Hong Kong, but that's we've done funny

596
00:40:49.880 --> 00:40:52.559
things like walked up to it and
they've offered us stuff we worked on and

597
00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:54.880
go but that's our name on there
and showing us our ID cards and things

598
00:40:54.920 --> 00:41:00.800
like that. So we have done
that. But yeah, we're in one

599
00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:04.960
place and they had a movie I
produced, and I'm on the back cover

600
00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:09.760
there's a picture of me, and
he was like, ah, okay,

601
00:41:10.039 --> 00:41:16.519
two for one, and you know, and because he was like oh shit,

602
00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:22.480
oh, you know, it's it's
kind of a thing where you goh.

603
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:25.880
The I think the problem is part
of it, Cuban sounds is.

604
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:30.880
I think with the Internet, because
at the beginning everything was free, Everyone's

605
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:36.280
like, if at the very beginning
you've been told to download something will cost

606
00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:40.880
fifty cents, you'd gone, oh
okay. But because the beginning everything was

607
00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:45.920
free, everyone's like, wow,
it was free before and I don't think

608
00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:51.239
people realize that it's something you're trying
to People know the reason now that all

609
00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:53.639
these bands are touring again is because
that's the only way they can make money,

610
00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:59.679
and it's the merchandise and things because
now you know the streaming and the

611
00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:05.840
spot to find everything. You're getting
ten cents for every million confirm that you

612
00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:10.880
get very little from Spotify. I
understand. That's a quick side note.

613
00:42:10.880 --> 00:42:15.039
How that hell was napster cool?
Like illegal? Back in the day,

614
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:17.559
artists make nobody. You can't give
the stuff away for free, but Spotify

615
00:42:17.599 --> 00:42:21.000
comes. I got a check for
like ten cents the other day. I'm

616
00:42:21.039 --> 00:42:22.800
like, and everything, this is
legal, this is fine. I'm like,

617
00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:29.599
who who got away with this?
Is it napster in disguise? Because

618
00:42:29.599 --> 00:42:32.480
this is absurd, It's it's the
revenge of Napster. Yeah it is.

619
00:42:32.920 --> 00:42:40.400
But I think the problem is people
don't like a. I don't know if

620
00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:44.440
you had him in America, but
like in England, they did all these

621
00:42:44.480 --> 00:42:52.079
bizarre commercials trying to condone the piracy
somehow. Yeah, piracy is somehow connected

622
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:57.280
to international terrorism, as if you
know, Bin Laden was sitting there selling

623
00:42:57.360 --> 00:43:00.199
you know, like going send down
the shipment of pirate stuff wash, you

624
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:05.840
know, and you're like, I
don't think that's going to work. I

625
00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:07.960
always look at the campaign that they
did for those, because now we have

626
00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:13.199
three D printers and we're actually downloading
parts for things and stuff like that.

627
00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:19.719
Yeah, And the thing is like, like I I I remember the good

628
00:43:19.719 --> 00:43:22.159
old days where if even if you
wanted to pirate something, it took some

629
00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:29.039
effort. I'm gonna get one VHS
and another VHS and I'm gonna you know,

630
00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:31.599
borrow the cables and try and do
this and not upset with parents and

631
00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:35.639
blah blah blah. Whereas now the
problem is oh touch of a button,

632
00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:43.480
you know, or you get the
idiots where sometimes what is crazy when you

633
00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:46.400
know, when we're doing post production
or something, is sometimes people send us

634
00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:54.519
files and we're like, you've sent
us a fifty gigabyte master of this project,

635
00:43:54.840 --> 00:44:00.239
and like yeah, we'll like,
could you just send us like a

636
00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:06.559
seven hundred megabyte version to work from
so that we don't worry about it,

637
00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:12.880
because like sometimes what I've had to
company where they've sent me something for reference

638
00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:15.280
and two or three moms saying I'm
like, oh my god, it's still

639
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:21.199
on the server. Yeah, it's
it's it's still there for and it's oh

640
00:44:21.320 --> 00:44:28.440
it's it's not a private download.
Anyone could tellload. Yeah, I think

641
00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:32.719
the piracy I mean when I first, I mean in Malaysia, for instance,

642
00:44:34.119 --> 00:44:37.360
you used to come out of the
cinema and there would be guys selling

643
00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:42.440
Pirate vhs of the movies outside cinema. Yeah that's true. Yeah, yeah,

644
00:44:42.679 --> 00:44:45.559
I want you know that. That's
that's totally true. But I think

645
00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:47.880
something else underlying it is the reason
not to buy Pirate is because we're such

646
00:44:47.960 --> 00:44:52.960
huge proponents of physical media. Is
or they have physically something that's really nice

647
00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:54.360
and cool, especially in the movie
that you love, especially with the booklets,

648
00:44:54.360 --> 00:44:58.280
like some labels are doing that.
We work with those. Those things

649
00:44:58.280 --> 00:45:00.440
are beautiful. I mean, they're
they see them as piece of aren't nor

650
00:45:00.519 --> 00:45:02.519
the seed as way of supporting the
cinema. One's part of I mean.

651
00:45:02.719 --> 00:45:07.280
And also like the funny thing is
like, yeah, I use Netflix,

652
00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:10.360
and I use Amazon, and I
use Disney Class and I use all of

653
00:45:10.360 --> 00:45:15.320
these, but I still love my
physical media. So yeah, pardon me

654
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:17.280
as well when people go, oh
my god, they've taken this off my

655
00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:21.239
off my out of my collection or
or they've changed the print. I go,

656
00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:23.480
that's kind of one of the reasons
why we buy physical media, people

657
00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:28.480
that people not knowing how much work
goes into it. This, yeah,

658
00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:32.719
one of those things. I somehow
don't think that Sony is going to send

659
00:45:32.800 --> 00:45:37.000
someone to my house and go I
missed the Leader. We believe you have

660
00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:40.960
an uncut version of this movie.
We think we should give it to us

661
00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:45.440
now because I'd like, you ain't
taking my laser discs. It would be

662
00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:50.360
the Siege of Waco again. It's
like, yeah, I somehow don't because

663
00:45:50.599 --> 00:45:53.280
if that's what happened, people would
be an uproar. Can you imagine suddenly

664
00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:57.199
people turned up like, I'm sorry, but you have the Shout Factory Blu

665
00:45:57.320 --> 00:46:00.440
ray and we we think that's the
wrong print that came out. You need

666
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:07.079
to hand it over. Physical media
walk physical Physical media gives you control,

667
00:46:07.159 --> 00:46:10.159
right digital media can I mean?
I think with the PlayStation was a PlayStation

668
00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:15.880
four where they deleted the Silent Hill
PT demo that everybody was playing Kojima Fell

669
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:17.960
Out with Konami, like that was
a big example of that. Like and

670
00:46:17.960 --> 00:46:21.719
now those PlayStations with that's still in
the hard drive self are tons of money.

671
00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:23.880
Because it's physical media, you can
still access it and everything else.

672
00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:31.159
So yeah, I knows he got
it wrong. Bo No apologize for the

673
00:46:31.199 --> 00:46:36.079
iTunes thing. I remember seeing that
because can you imagine that if suddenly you

674
00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:38.480
turned on and you're like, oh, there's a complete Longe Gen collection in

675
00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:43.360
my heart drive immediately Yeah, that's
a lot of a lot of stuff in

676
00:46:43.400 --> 00:46:45.400
your hard drive. Man, that's
a couple of terrible Like, oh,

677
00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:49.320
I now need to buy a new
hard drive. Yeah. Uh. What

678
00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:52.840
do you guys, what do you
feel about the kung fu in martial arts

679
00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:55.400
cinema industry today? Because it's changed
so much, Like do you do you

680
00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:59.800
think that the old school style is
officially dead? Because it certainly feels like

681
00:46:59.840 --> 00:47:06.400
it. So it's so my belief
is it's a kind of a are we

682
00:47:06.440 --> 00:47:09.320
talking about Hong Kong, We're talking
about kung fu cinema globally. I mean

683
00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:14.880
you can talk on both. I
mean obviously they have different realms. Okay,

684
00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:19.719
So in the first Hong Kong,
unfortunately, Hong Kong cinema is going

685
00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:22.679
through what can be described as a
decline, right, I mean, we

686
00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:25.519
used to make about what four hundred
movies a year, here at one point

687
00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:30.920
at the that that's mental by the
way. Uh. And then also like

688
00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:34.639
right now, I think we do
closer to what how would you say many

689
00:47:34.639 --> 00:47:37.480
movies are made this year, Mike, or last year? Let's say last

690
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:39.320
year, let's saylast in Hong Kong, I'd say about thirty to fifty,

691
00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:45.239
because yeah, that's that's a pretty
steep decline. I think it's close to

692
00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:49.000
thirty myself, but it's but in
terms of kung fu kung fu stuff,

693
00:47:49.039 --> 00:47:51.920
well, you got to understand that
when Jackie and Samo were coming up,

694
00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:55.480
the things that were doing that Jackie
and Samo qualifies child abuse. I mean,

695
00:47:55.559 --> 00:47:59.840
Sam was about to make a movie
about it. That's I know,

696
00:47:59.880 --> 00:48:02.039
not how far along that is.
That it's basically like painted faces but more

697
00:48:02.119 --> 00:48:07.400
realistic. And the the thing about
that is is that the way they used

698
00:48:07.400 --> 00:48:12.159
to train people and everything else coming
from the Chinese opera backgrounds, and that's

699
00:48:12.199 --> 00:48:15.119
not possible anymore. A lot of
people also don't have time to take kung

700
00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:19.840
fu or whatever else it is,
or learn all the gymnastics and acrobatics with

701
00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:22.480
that. So yeah, Hong Kong
is going to go into decline in terms

702
00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:24.400
of people. Mold people that can
perform these stunts. Beyond that, except

703
00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:30.159
for maybe hit Hut, there's no
real like schools teaching martial art action in

704
00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:31.480
Hong Kong anymore. And a lot
of people just don't have the time.

705
00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:36.880
They'd rather go off and do karaoke, or go to the movies ironically,

706
00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:39.039
or play video games and stuff like
that. So there's a lot of distractions

707
00:48:39.079 --> 00:48:45.639
toward that happening. And also I
think you know, obviously COVID did a

708
00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:49.280
massive number and all that as well, but is it in decline. I

709
00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:52.280
think the only way it's really going
to come back is if digital streaming services

710
00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:55.519
somehow invest money into into Hong Kong
to make that happen again, which I

711
00:48:55.599 --> 00:49:00.000
don't know if that's going to happen
anytime soon, I don't know what.

712
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:02.280
I don't know what Mike thinks about
that. I hope that would happen.

713
00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:06.880
But in terms of ripple effect.
With in terms of ripple effect, I

714
00:49:06.880 --> 00:49:09.280
think Hong Kong is quite significant because
if you look at the Tony Jaws,

715
00:49:09.400 --> 00:49:13.280
if you look at the guys,
all the guys basically worked on the raid,

716
00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:15.960
Mike mills him a lot better ninety
U. I suspect they were all

717
00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:19.039
influenced by Hong Kong cinema, So
I think the ripple effect that came out

718
00:49:19.039 --> 00:49:21.559
of it, like Hong Kong was
a stone in the bond in terms of

719
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:24.159
what out came out of that.
That's quite interesting, and I think I've

720
00:49:24.199 --> 00:49:29.280
high helped her countries like Thailand and
Indonesia eventually to kind of pick up all

721
00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:34.039
of the mantle. Yeah, that's
kind of That's kind of where I stand.

722
00:49:34.039 --> 00:49:36.440
A modern kung fu cinema from Hong
Kong. We're not going to see

723
00:49:36.440 --> 00:49:39.559
another era like Showals anymore. I
think Hong Kong's edit heading towards a more

724
00:49:42.199 --> 00:49:45.519
different The crime genre has been very
successful in Hong Kong the last few years

725
00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:49.719
we've seen that, but recently we
saw Luis Ku put out a cool mech

726
00:49:49.800 --> 00:49:52.639
based cyberpunk Hong Kong take on like, you know, all that kind of

727
00:49:52.639 --> 00:49:55.239
thing because he loves Iron Man.
So yeah, I know, Mike,

728
00:49:55.320 --> 00:49:59.920
what do you think is iron Man? Yes, he is, trust me.

729
00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:01.519
I've been to his office and he's
dressed design Man at time. Yes.

730
00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:07.559
No, I think part of it
is for the longest time, Hong

731
00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:13.199
Kong was like a perfect market.
Yes, yeah, like okay, when

732
00:50:13.239 --> 00:50:17.599
I first arrived at Hong Kong,
you could pre like you could presell movies

733
00:50:17.719 --> 00:50:22.880
so easily, depending on cast and
everything. So like if you watch one

734
00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:29.239
Ghaway's Ashes of Time. For the
longest time, I was always like,

735
00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:34.480
there's one shot in it, and
it looks like Joey Wan Wong Joey in

736
00:50:34.519 --> 00:50:37.280
from Chinese Ghost Story. But I'm
like, but she's not in the movie.

737
00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:40.440
A couple of years ago, I
was working on europe Raiders that was

738
00:50:40.480 --> 00:50:45.239
produced by one Ghaway, and we're
having dinner and we're chatting and he's like,

739
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:49.840
oh, yeah, she's in that
one shot. He's like oh,

740
00:50:49.880 --> 00:50:54.000
because at the time, her market
for career was so strong. If she

741
00:50:54.079 --> 00:50:59.199
was in your movie, even for
one shot, could it was a contractual

742
00:50:59.199 --> 00:51:06.920
obligation you could sell for a million
dollars to career. So like the Philippine

743
00:51:06.920 --> 00:51:08.880
buyers would come in and go,
can you give me the first reel of

744
00:51:08.920 --> 00:51:14.559
your movie, the third reel,
and the last reel, and they would

745
00:51:14.599 --> 00:51:21.280
time the action up. There's enough
action will buy it. So for the

746
00:51:21.320 --> 00:51:24.599
longest time, Hong Kong was like
this perfect market. And in the mid

747
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:30.239
nineties I began to see even Hong
Kong directors were starting to take it for

748
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:34.320
granted. I remember meeting one director
and he was like, oh, my,

749
00:51:34.320 --> 00:51:37.800
my next movie is going to be
a huge success. I went why,

750
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:39.400
and he goes, oh, because
I have these two actors. Went

751
00:51:39.440 --> 00:51:42.840
oh, what's it about. He
goes oh, I don't know, but

752
00:51:42.880 --> 00:51:46.880
I've got these two actors and it's
and I was like ah. And the

753
00:51:46.920 --> 00:51:53.440
markets changed, like suddenly, Thailand
woke up and began. Korea film career

754
00:51:53.480 --> 00:52:00.920
woke up big time. The Korean
government supports the film industry like a every

755
00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:06.679
cinema in Korea, every screen needs
to show Korean movies for at least one

756
00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:12.199
third of the year. Yeah.
So like part of the problem was Hong

757
00:52:12.280 --> 00:52:17.760
Kong lost its place and the China
market came. And the problem is the

758
00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:23.559
China market is such a good market. Everyone changed their focus to China because

759
00:52:23.880 --> 00:52:28.480
I can make the money in China. And the problem is sometimes the movies

760
00:52:28.519 --> 00:52:32.199
you make for China don't translate for
the rest of the world. So you

761
00:52:32.239 --> 00:52:37.679
got into that. And with the
kung fu genre, it's a trend like

762
00:52:38.119 --> 00:52:45.199
next year there's gonna be Donnie and
Sakra, which is like a Donny reinventing

763
00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:51.559
the sore playbos genre. There's Calm
Wold City, which is a comic book

764
00:52:51.599 --> 00:52:55.599
adaptation that Kenji did the action for
which is completely wild. It's kind of

765
00:52:55.599 --> 00:53:05.239
like imagine District thirteen meets Dragon Tiger
Gate. It's like a it's completely mad.

766
00:53:05.599 --> 00:53:08.559
You've got Nicholas Jair. He's just
done this full on action movie called

767
00:53:08.559 --> 00:53:13.679
A Customs front Line, which is
like a police very much a police story

768
00:53:13.760 --> 00:53:15.760
style, a lot of reference to
old Hong Kong style, a lot of

769
00:53:15.800 --> 00:53:21.000
stunts and everything. It's starting to
come back. I think it just goes

770
00:53:21.000 --> 00:53:24.159
in a trend. Part of the
problem as well was suddenly you had everyone

771
00:53:24.239 --> 00:53:30.599
doing kung fu like I just rewatched
Charlie's Angels, and you sit there and

772
00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:35.360
go that was when you knew why
why work had done it done it's dirty.

773
00:53:35.800 --> 00:53:40.840
When suddenly Drew barrymore Lucy for no
reason, I'm just flying over walls

774
00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:45.000
and everything, and you go,
well, it's a good example of Keanu

775
00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:47.280
Reeves kind of has that curse where, for example, he made the Matrix

776
00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:51.639
and everybody imitated that, and then
it makes John Wick and now everybody's doing

777
00:53:51.639 --> 00:53:55.559
like their John Wick. Like the
dude dude in the business. He's the

778
00:53:55.599 --> 00:53:58.960
man's a trendsetter. Man. I
got to give him the credit. Like

779
00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:05.039
the movie, He's just awesome.
He's just my first introduction to him.

780
00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:07.679
I ended up wrestling with him in
the casting because we were discussing styles of

781
00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:13.159
kung fu and were on the floor
demonstrate, well this is us here.

782
00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:16.400
Know, Kiana is awesome and Matthew
Perry, I used to like you until

783
00:54:16.400 --> 00:54:22.880
you slagged off Keanu Reeves. Yeah, proceeded to slag off everyone and claim

784
00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:25.039
you slept with everyone, and I
guess he wants to sell some books.

785
00:54:25.119 --> 00:54:32.119
Yeah, but you know exactly.
It's like, so you really were Chandler

786
00:54:32.159 --> 00:54:37.480
for the whole time. But like
I think, I think that's because he

787
00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:40.559
went, I can't remember several years
of my life, so they went,

788
00:54:40.760 --> 00:54:45.280
oh, we'll just get a rider
to come in and for you. Yeah,

789
00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:49.599
But like I think, I think
the action general come out. But

790
00:54:49.639 --> 00:54:52.960
also part of problem was before Hong
Kong was the special effect. We didn't

791
00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:57.639
have the special effects, we didn't
have the green screens. We didn't think

792
00:54:57.679 --> 00:55:00.159
so it was okay, Anna,
you're really to jump out of a window,

793
00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:06.440
yeah, and land on a passing
bus. Bounce off of it,

794
00:55:06.800 --> 00:55:09.880
get hit by a passing car,
and then land in the backseat of a

795
00:55:09.880 --> 00:55:17.360
Corvette as it drives past, and
yeah, yeah, exactly. So I

796
00:55:17.400 --> 00:55:22.360
think the market changed and said,
like you know, for a while when

797
00:55:22.519 --> 00:55:24.559
Johnny told was like, Okay,
I'm going to take the gangster genre and

798
00:55:24.599 --> 00:55:30.400
I'm still going to reinvent and play
with that. So I think it goes

799
00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:34.480
through phases. It's like in the
in the nineties when suddenly the category free

800
00:55:34.480 --> 00:55:38.239
genre went crazy and suddenly we had
like about a three or four year period

801
00:55:38.280 --> 00:55:45.000
of just insanity. Where what an
awesome period that one. I mean.

802
00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:52.039
I did a movie that began life
as a Hong Kong take on zato Each

803
00:55:52.360 --> 00:55:58.320
called Blind Power, with Lamching ying
as a blind swordsman. Halfway through the

804
00:55:58.320 --> 00:56:00.639
filming, I arrived on set and
Lamching is driving a car and I'm like,

805
00:56:02.039 --> 00:56:07.599
but he's, oh, we've dropped, like but we've shot stuff where

806
00:56:07.639 --> 00:56:13.000
he's like touching people's faces and oh, it doesn't matter. Finished the movie.

807
00:56:13.280 --> 00:56:16.320
So we finished the movie. A
sad story of Saigon. The movie

808
00:56:16.360 --> 00:56:22.159
comes out, opens in Taiwan,
makes no money. Huh, what's popular

809
00:56:22.159 --> 00:56:27.039
at the moment. Category three movies
Okay, let's add some Category three scenes

810
00:56:27.719 --> 00:56:32.960
at the most inopportune moments. So
imagine Ryan, Anna and me. We're

811
00:56:34.000 --> 00:56:37.840
sitting in the house. Suddenly someone
runs in. The police are outside,

812
00:56:37.079 --> 00:56:40.800
We're surrounded. Hannah, You're going
to go and have sex with this girl,

813
00:56:44.679 --> 00:56:50.000
and there's there's a scene interpact with
shots of people putting bullets in shotguns,

814
00:56:50.079 --> 00:56:55.840
and I remember being like, oh
God, oh, and I'm on

815
00:56:55.920 --> 00:57:00.320
the poster. My Mum's going to
be proud of me. And that movie

816
00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:10.280
was called rape and public se okay, but you go, the market went

817
00:57:10.639 --> 00:57:15.039
bizarre. I mean, so,
I have a feeling in China the kung

818
00:57:15.079 --> 00:57:20.719
fu genre will come back because there's
some incredible talent and a lot of the

819
00:57:20.840 --> 00:57:25.400
Chinese streaming services like I G E
Intencent are pumping out a lot of kung

820
00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:30.360
fu movies and never revisiting things like
Vincent. Jow just did a Fearless TV

821
00:57:30.559 --> 00:57:36.519
series which if not for COVID,
I would have returned as the as the

822
00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:39.960
referee Randal, but this time I
would have got to fight there you go.

823
00:57:42.159 --> 00:57:45.360
So I think there's gonna change,
but I think the action genre is

824
00:57:45.400 --> 00:57:49.880
coming back, And like the last
year, I said like we've had this

825
00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:53.519
incredible science fiction movie by Lewis Ku
did really well. Yeah, and at

826
00:57:53.519 --> 00:57:59.440
the same time, we've had this
really small, like romantic comedy of errors

827
00:57:59.679 --> 00:58:04.800
that's also done really well in Hong
Kong because Hong Kong audiences have begun to

828
00:58:04.840 --> 00:58:08.960
rediscover Hong Kong film, Like for
the longest time, Hong Kong film are

829
00:58:09.039 --> 00:58:14.119
kind of fallen out of favor even
in Hong Kong, like people, I

830
00:58:14.119 --> 00:58:16.400
want to go see the American movies. I want to go and watch Vindy's

831
00:58:16.440 --> 00:58:22.679
I want to go and see The
Avengers. So I think it took a

832
00:58:22.800 --> 00:58:29.039
kicking, but it's coming back.
But sadly it will never be that time

833
00:58:29.119 --> 00:58:31.559
when it was four hundred movies a
year in Hong Kong well and again,

834
00:58:31.800 --> 00:58:35.639
and the talent based like that,
that's a bit of an issue, so

835
00:58:36.320 --> 00:58:42.320
I wish. I mean, there's
also Hong Kong doesn't do government subsidies for

836
00:58:42.360 --> 00:58:45.000
a creative things like film, so
that I mean, they just announced the

837
00:58:45.119 --> 00:58:53.199
new government suby, which is fantastic
because if your director, producer or scriptwriter

838
00:58:53.679 --> 00:58:59.880
has previously won the Hong Kong film
well came, they will consider your apple.

839
00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:02.280
I was like, oh, that's
really helping young filmmakers. Yeah,

840
00:59:02.360 --> 00:59:07.480
like that's the thing. Like whereas
I just got back from Thailand and they're

841
00:59:07.519 --> 00:59:09.920
like, there's like so many incentives
people do creative stuff for whatever. In

842
00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:14.800
Japan, they have a billion dollars. Like I think it's literally called like

843
00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:20.119
the cool culture Funders. Yeah,
I mean that's called Japan. And that's

844
00:59:20.159 --> 00:59:23.840
why you've got a lot of these
like YouTubers in Japan, like the trash

845
00:59:23.960 --> 00:59:31.480
taste guys in Japan. Yeah,
it's kind of Hong Kong. The problem

846
00:59:31.480 --> 00:59:36.920
has always been like like I did
a Bollywood movie called Krish Part two,

847
00:59:37.559 --> 00:59:39.480
and they originally wanted to film it
in Hong Kong, and the Hong Kong

848
00:59:39.480 --> 00:59:43.920
government was like, if you film
it in Hong Kong, that'd be nice.

849
00:59:44.239 --> 00:59:50.679
Yeah. Where Singapore went Indian tourism
and we got to fly helicopters down

850
00:59:50.800 --> 00:59:55.440
Orchard Road. Imagine flying helicopters through
Times Square and everything and to all this

851
00:59:55.519 --> 01:00:00.280
cool stuff. You know. So
Malaysia offers a rebate, Thailand off as

852
01:00:00.320 --> 01:00:05.280
a rebate, Indonesia has a rebate. For now, everybody's going to Malta

853
01:00:05.880 --> 01:00:10.920
because yeah, I think Fiji has
some crazy rebate as well, right now,

854
01:00:12.000 --> 01:00:15.599
as someone's telling me we should ask
you about paying about some of those

855
01:00:15.639 --> 01:00:22.159
rebates, yeah you can tell yeah
exactly, but you go. So the

856
01:00:22.280 --> 01:00:30.000
problem is people get that it's show
business, the film industry. So sometimes

857
01:00:30.039 --> 01:00:36.599
you do go it's cheaper for me
to build this in Malaysia than to actually

858
01:00:36.599 --> 01:00:39.440
go to New York and film it. You're like a like Hungry At There's

859
01:00:39.480 --> 01:00:44.400
a studio in China called hung the
End. It's the huge film studio where

860
01:00:44.400 --> 01:00:50.639
they shot Hero and Crouching Tiger.
We shot The Mummy three there And basically

861
01:00:52.719 --> 01:00:53.880
if you went to them and said
hey, I want to make a movie

862
01:00:54.079 --> 01:00:58.480
and I want to set it in
New York and I want to build Time

863
01:00:58.559 --> 01:01:01.519
Square, him and his team will
look at it and then they'll have a

864
01:01:01.599 --> 01:01:06.880
chat like if we have Time Square, can we rent that to other people?

865
01:01:07.360 --> 01:01:12.199
Can you? Okay? You know
what, We'll pay half and we'll

866
01:01:12.280 --> 01:01:15.840
keep the set after you leave and
we'll rent it out for other movies.

867
01:01:15.880 --> 01:01:22.360
So like Hungdian has a full size
Forbidden City from Beijing. If you film

868
01:01:22.360 --> 01:01:27.760
on the mountain side, there are
power supplies built into the rocks, like

869
01:01:27.840 --> 01:01:35.039
you know, like you go there
and it's awesome because the whole state is

870
01:01:35.119 --> 01:01:38.920
basically a film studio. Wow,
and you're suddenly going, well, I

871
01:01:38.960 --> 01:01:44.559
can control it. And he built
like old Shanghai. He now built Shanghai

872
01:01:44.599 --> 01:01:47.119
Harbor in the middle of nowhere with
the bund and everything, because he was

873
01:01:47.159 --> 01:01:50.880
like, well, this way we
can control it. We can do it.

874
01:01:51.360 --> 01:01:57.519
And it is frustrating where film has
done so much for Hong Kong,

875
01:01:58.039 --> 01:02:02.280
so many people came to Hong Kong
because of Yeah, and there hasn't been

876
01:02:02.280 --> 01:02:07.360
that support from the from the government
I think in terms of either promoting and

877
01:02:07.440 --> 01:02:14.280
preserving Hong Kong film or helping Hong
Kong film have trends that we were talking

878
01:02:14.280 --> 01:02:17.920
about. Kat free is a main
trend on home video right now. What

879
01:02:19.039 --> 01:02:22.320
are some of the bigger titles that
you think might you know, obviously things

880
01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:23.719
you know you can't say, but
what are some that you think might take

881
01:02:23.800 --> 01:02:29.239
us all by storm if they get
released soon. Well, doctor Lamb,

882
01:02:29.360 --> 01:02:30.360
I know it's come out in the
States. I would love for that to

883
01:02:30.360 --> 01:02:35.639
come out and see a mainland Europe
release. I would love to see the

884
01:02:35.760 --> 01:02:40.960
Underground Banker that that is a if
someone releases that, contact myself and Mike

885
01:02:42.039 --> 01:02:46.400
immediately because that film is so crazy
if you were to release that like today

886
01:02:46.559 --> 01:02:53.400
in America. It's basically how to
imagine you're making a movie. Imagine you're

887
01:02:53.400 --> 01:02:58.599
making say Falling Down, and then
you decide, but I think Michael Douglas

888
01:02:58.639 --> 01:03:02.239
should team up with Freddie Kruger at
one point team up with to team up

889
01:03:02.280 --> 01:03:06.920
with Ted Bundy. And you actually
write Ted Bundy into the movie and the

890
01:03:06.920 --> 01:03:08.079
guys shops saying, Hi, I'm
Ted Bunny, I'm your next door neighbor,

891
01:03:08.119 --> 01:03:12.119
and we're gonna take on the bad
guys together. And Ted Bundy becomes

892
01:03:12.119 --> 01:03:15.719
like a really good person and like
a protagonist and everything else in the movie.

893
01:03:15.880 --> 01:03:17.760
They actually took a real Hong Kong
serial killer who was Doctor Lamb,

894
01:03:17.760 --> 01:03:21.880
based on a real person. They
wrote him into another film with Anthony Wong

895
01:03:21.920 --> 01:03:24.719
which came out the same years think
as The Told Story and basically as he

896
01:03:24.880 --> 01:03:29.519
was kind of reprising his character in
that but not really saying it. And

897
01:03:29.559 --> 01:03:32.079
then like Doctor Lamb comes and they
team up to take on the Triads and

898
01:03:32.119 --> 01:03:37.800
it's just and it's it's such a
crazy movie. I would love to see

899
01:03:37.880 --> 01:03:44.920
Underground back there. I'd love to
see a movie called Runaway Blues. Yes,

900
01:03:45.199 --> 01:03:52.440
Yes, yeah, And it's basically
it's about a mainland Chinese and a

901
01:03:52.480 --> 01:03:55.960
time when he'e triad who come to
Hong Kong for foul of the Hong Kong

902
01:03:57.039 --> 01:04:03.440
Triads because of language difficulties, and
then they kind of bond over the fact

903
01:04:03.440 --> 01:04:10.199
that they can speak Mandarin. And
there's a scene. It's an incredibly brutal

904
01:04:10.239 --> 01:04:15.079
movie. There's a scene in it
where Andy Lao's character and another character,

905
01:04:15.159 --> 01:04:19.119
Calvin Wog, are in a car
and they're crushed by a speeding truck.

906
01:04:19.800 --> 01:04:26.719
And I remember asking Calvin Wong,
go bless him. How did they do

907
01:04:26.760 --> 01:04:29.159
that scene? He was like,
we were in a car and we were

908
01:04:29.199 --> 01:04:32.280
crushed by a speeding truck. That's
how they did the scene. He was

909
01:04:32.320 --> 01:04:38.159
like, it was not fun,
but it's a really cool gangster movie and

910
01:04:38.199 --> 01:04:44.039
it kind of like devolves the whole
glamorous life of a gangster. There's a

911
01:04:44.079 --> 01:04:51.719
movie called Secret Signs that do you
think? Secret Signce begins with a twenty

912
01:04:51.800 --> 01:04:59.360
minute documentary about how cool it is
to be ye like interviewing real triads,

913
01:04:59.400 --> 01:05:01.960
going, yeah, I was in
Holland and this guy cut my finger off,

914
01:05:01.960 --> 01:05:09.559
but I can't get off doing that
interview. It's so fucking crazy that

915
01:05:09.559 --> 01:05:16.280
that movie that there's God, there's
so many because the probably is how about

916
01:05:16.480 --> 01:05:21.159
how about how about escape from Brothel? Imagine that coming out that is the

917
01:05:21.199 --> 01:05:30.119
most like escape from Brothel would be
would be I think, So there's no

918
01:05:30.159 --> 01:05:34.320
way that would ever come out like
I escape from Brothel. That's the problem.

919
01:05:34.320 --> 01:05:36.760
There's something that I mean, like
i'd love to there's a there's a

920
01:05:36.800 --> 01:05:46.119
movie called Can't Stop My Crazy Love
for You with Simon Yam, Michael Wang,

921
01:05:46.760 --> 01:05:53.079
and Young Hang and it's kind of
like Simon Yams are Peeping Tom who

922
01:05:53.079 --> 01:05:58.320
then becomes an insane serial killer,
but he's kind of the hero. There's

923
01:05:58.480 --> 01:06:04.239
weird like and then yeah, there's
like there's so many, there's like a

924
01:06:06.639 --> 01:06:13.320
it's that's the problem. There's so
much category three goodness out because which level

925
01:06:13.360 --> 01:06:15.159
of category three goodness do you want? The sexy? Do you want the

926
01:06:15.599 --> 01:06:20.599
gory? Do you want We haven't
really touched the sexy much yet. Yeah,

927
01:06:20.639 --> 01:06:28.760
there's well there's I mean, what
about that with the Flag through the

928
01:06:28.800 --> 01:06:32.079
air and flying Chinese torture Chamber story
of which the best would be if we

929
01:06:32.079 --> 01:06:36.519
could get Bosco One who directed it. Yes. Basically, Bosco used to

930
01:06:36.519 --> 01:06:43.840
be one of Wang Jing's assistant directors
and he was trying to get out of

931
01:06:43.840 --> 01:06:46.719
this contract. So Wang Jing said, Hey, I want to make this

932
01:06:46.760 --> 01:06:55.159
movie Chinese Torture Chamber story, which
basically is about a woman on trial because

933
01:06:55.199 --> 01:07:00.719
her husband died. And the reason
he died is his dick is so big

934
01:07:01.960 --> 01:07:06.320
that when he died, when he
shall we say climaxes, he dies of

935
01:07:06.360 --> 01:07:15.400
blood loss. Yeah, yeah,
which is which was which we see in

936
01:07:15.519 --> 01:07:25.519
silhouette set to a Chinese ur Wu
playing unchained melody. And at one point

937
01:07:26.440 --> 01:07:30.599
and that you know, the infamous
Julie Reaver is flying through the air having

938
01:07:30.639 --> 01:07:34.559
sex with a guy, Elvis Troy
while they're flying for their having sex,

939
01:07:35.119 --> 01:07:40.440
and I introduced Anna to the stunt
coordinator and he was like, that girl

940
01:07:40.559 --> 01:07:45.199
was crazy because yeah, Elvis has
like a jockstrap on and basically that's it

941
01:07:45.280 --> 01:07:49.239
with the wires on it. She
had nothing. She's just meant to be

942
01:07:49.280 --> 01:08:00.239
holding onto him and she's hanging off
of him and yeah, mad that I'd

943
01:08:00.280 --> 01:08:03.719
love to see Mike, which was
which was the poster that they banned like

944
01:08:03.800 --> 01:08:06.920
that. They were hell no when
that came Okay, it's such a it's

945
01:08:08.000 --> 01:08:10.920
such a very yeah. Well,
first they did Naked Killer. Then they

946
01:08:10.920 --> 01:08:16.680
did a semi sequel called Raped by
an Angel. Yes. The original title

947
01:08:16.880 --> 01:08:24.239
and poster for were Legal Rape.
Yeah. Yeah, And the poster was

948
01:08:24.600 --> 01:08:30.600
Simon Yam dressed as a judge with
Chinami Yeo seducing him while the main actress

949
01:08:30.640 --> 01:08:38.199
sat there naked crying holding the book
of law. Yeah, with the title

950
01:08:38.359 --> 01:08:42.840
legal Rape, and the English and
Chinese censors at the time went, hang

951
01:08:42.880 --> 01:08:46.760
on a minute, guy, Yeah. Yeah. Even we would be like,

952
01:08:46.840 --> 01:08:50.439
guys, guys, come on,
man, it's like you gotta and

953
01:08:50.479 --> 01:08:59.119
it's a very bizarre. It's it's
kind of like it's almost like there was

954
01:08:59.159 --> 01:09:02.439
a very There was a very cool
American TV series called Midnight Caller in the

955
01:09:02.600 --> 01:09:09.720
late eighties which had an episode where
they address the AIDS issue, and they

956
01:09:09.760 --> 01:09:15.520
do it in such a bad nineteen
eighties I Basically, a man with AIDS

957
01:09:15.560 --> 01:09:18.439
is sleeping with all these women and
giving them AIDS and the end of the

958
01:09:18.479 --> 01:09:24.199
movie is he's in a disco and
a bio hazard team turn up. Yeah,

959
01:09:24.239 --> 01:09:29.319
and it's yeah, and basically raped
by a nine to two kind of

960
01:09:29.319 --> 01:09:33.119
touching that thing of like someone is
getting away with this and committing the crinkers.

961
01:09:33.960 --> 01:09:38.960
The problem as well with some of
those movies is so like Hong Kong

962
01:09:39.000 --> 01:09:43.319
did not handle AIDS very well.
At the beginning. There are audio commentary

963
01:09:43.439 --> 01:09:48.479
like there's a friend of mine,
a Wing Chun teacher, Steven Chan,

964
01:09:48.800 --> 01:09:55.520
and on one of his books,
he's standing there in the introduction wearing a

965
01:09:55.560 --> 01:10:00.560
shirt that says AIDS busters and is
the ghost by logo but with a bottom

966
01:10:00.560 --> 01:10:06.840
on it. And so a lot
of Hong Kong humor about AIDS was very

967
01:10:08.159 --> 01:10:12.199
There's a Frank of Chan movie where
someone has a bad ration refers to it

968
01:10:12.239 --> 01:10:15.680
as AIDS, kung fu and stuff, and you're like, okay, guys,

969
01:10:15.760 --> 01:10:23.039
I'm not politically correct, but come
on, yeah, yeah, there's

970
01:10:23.079 --> 01:10:27.920
a lot of stuff. And the
category three either like from the sexy,

971
01:10:28.039 --> 01:10:31.840
I mean like you've got your sex
and end's you've got. There's a really

972
01:10:31.880 --> 01:10:38.439
cool movie called My Wife's Lover starring
Maria Mark, which is actually a kind

973
01:10:38.479 --> 01:10:44.920
of intelligent and well handled tale of
lesbianism, but with lots of like Playboy

974
01:10:44.960 --> 01:10:49.640
Star Channel nudity. The funny thing
is there's a movie called twenty something with

975
01:10:49.720 --> 01:10:58.439
Teddy Chen and that's that that was
marketed as a cat free sexy movie where

976
01:10:58.439 --> 01:11:02.479
it's actually a very very good drama
about young people in Hong Kong dealing with

977
01:11:02.520 --> 01:11:08.319
their sexuality. But they but the
way they sold it to get an audience

978
01:11:08.760 --> 01:11:12.199
was to play up the sexual aspect
and then people went, yeah, but

979
01:11:12.239 --> 01:11:15.239
actually it was a really good movie. At one point, Hong Kong filmmakers

980
01:11:15.239 --> 01:11:20.079
try to slap the cat three like
reading on there just to sell the movie.

981
01:11:20.840 --> 01:11:25.000
Yeah, I mean in the video
stores. They realized that Category three

982
01:11:25.079 --> 01:11:30.760
movies rented more. So imagine going
to Blockbuster and they've put n seventeen stickers

983
01:11:30.800 --> 01:11:36.479
on everything. Yeah, and you're
going you see exactly, and they'd hint

984
01:11:36.560 --> 01:11:41.640
that, oh, maybe this is
the full version, Maybe this is the

985
01:11:41.720 --> 01:11:47.399
thing because because Hong Kong we have
no nudity on television, we're on television

986
01:11:47.439 --> 01:11:51.960
either very really so when I first
arrived, one of the TV channels here

987
01:11:53.039 --> 01:11:57.159
was celebrating its twenty fifth anniversary TVB
and they said, oh, we're going

988
01:11:57.239 --> 01:12:00.119
to show all these movies and one
of them was in Manuel and I was

989
01:12:00.159 --> 01:12:03.479
like, how the hell are they
gonna get while he was showing a manual,

990
01:12:03.479 --> 01:12:06.439
and then I went wait a minute, they're showing a Manuel at two

991
01:12:06.439 --> 01:12:12.960
o'clock in the morning slot that's sixty
minutes long. Oh gosh, cut the

992
01:12:13.039 --> 01:12:15.760
hell. So I went, Okay, I'm gonna stay up and watch this.

993
01:12:15.520 --> 01:12:19.880
And Emmanuel got on the plane to
Thailand and the plane landed and I

994
01:12:19.920 --> 01:12:24.000
went, no, need to watch
any more of that movie. Yeah,

995
01:12:24.079 --> 01:12:28.000
what's really what's really interesting is remember
when Itchi the Killer came out here and

996
01:12:28.039 --> 01:12:30.319
they cut like thirty minutes all of
that movie Itchi the Killers one. I

997
01:12:30.319 --> 01:12:33.600
love Takashi Mike is one of my
favorite directors. We would love to do

998
01:12:33.640 --> 01:12:36.800
more audio cons for Japanese films,
by the way, if anybody's listening,

999
01:12:36.800 --> 01:12:43.560
But basically, Itchi the Killer is
a crazy violent Japanese film. People's face

1000
01:12:43.640 --> 01:12:46.680
is getting cut off and you know, crazy stuff. Yeah, I love

1001
01:12:46.720 --> 01:12:49.039
it. I love Itchi the Killer. And there's a Hong Kong version that

1002
01:12:49.119 --> 01:12:51.840
was out for a while. I
actually got it. I don't know where

1003
01:12:51.840 --> 01:12:55.079
it is, but I just bought
it because it's so ridiculous. They cut

1004
01:12:55.079 --> 01:12:58.159
about thirty minutes out of that movie. It's so and I watched it,

1005
01:12:58.239 --> 01:12:59.840
going, oh, yeah, here
we go. Because I've seen the uncouver

1006
01:13:00.439 --> 01:13:02.000
and I just was laughing. I
was like, the cuts are still brazen

1007
01:13:02.079 --> 01:13:10.319
as well, because because censorship is
a very gray area, like it's it's

1008
01:13:10.359 --> 01:13:14.479
really like, as we said,
you can swear in English in a Hong

1009
01:13:14.560 --> 01:13:16.359
Kong movie, No, you can
say fucking all that stuff, no problem,

1010
01:13:16.479 --> 01:13:20.279
but you can't swear in Cantonese.
If you swear in Cantonese, you

1011
01:13:20.399 --> 01:13:26.199
immediately get an NC seventeen rating and
they'll try and bleep it out as much

1012
01:13:26.239 --> 01:13:30.720
as possible. In many cuts of
Doctor Lamb, It's it's bleeped out so

1013
01:13:30.880 --> 01:13:33.720
often in a Hong Kong movie,
you'll have people swearing in English, but

1014
01:13:33.760 --> 01:13:39.359
when they swear in Chinese, they're
saying you freaking mother brother, because it's

1015
01:13:39.399 --> 01:13:45.079
like billy. So when we did
the video game Sleeping Dogs, I'm recording

1016
01:13:45.079 --> 01:13:50.720
all the audio tracks in Hong Kong, and the owner of the studio kept

1017
01:13:50.720 --> 01:13:55.760
corn a mate, is there a
problem because every time she'd turn on the

1018
01:13:55.760 --> 01:14:00.600
feed from the studio, she would
hear like Sammohung or Eric Chang wearing at

1019
01:14:00.680 --> 01:14:03.000
their most extreme. Because we're like, yeah, yeah, we want the

1020
01:14:03.039 --> 01:14:06.880
swearing, and if you've got more
more graphic versions of what you want to

1021
01:14:06.920 --> 01:14:13.840
say, and Chinese swearing is an
art form. Like it's like crazy go

1022
01:14:14.079 --> 01:14:17.720
die in the streets. It's like
and also it's like I do this not

1023
01:14:17.760 --> 01:14:23.319
only to you, but seven generations
back. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah.

1024
01:14:23.319 --> 01:14:27.560
So like we had all this real
fall on swearing going, and the

1025
01:14:27.600 --> 01:14:30.319
people at the studio like, is
everything okay. I was like, yep,

1026
01:14:30.359 --> 01:14:32.560
yep, it's all good. It's
for the game. And then when

1027
01:14:32.600 --> 01:14:38.039
the game came out in Hong Kong, parents lost their mind because their kids

1028
01:14:38.039 --> 01:14:40.920
playing a video game and they walk
in and yeah, there's their seven year

1029
01:14:40.920 --> 01:14:44.000
old kid listening to a game where
someone's going, mother fucker, I'm gonna

1030
01:14:44.079 --> 01:14:49.960
kill you. Right, So censorship
in Hong Kong is always weird, like

1031
01:14:51.199 --> 01:14:56.000
and like there's like with nudity,
it's it's very weird. And also there's

1032
01:14:56.039 --> 01:15:00.680
this bizarre thing of Hong Kong of
like it's okay for a I had to

1033
01:15:00.760 --> 01:15:03.840
jump between category two and category three
movies. Yeah, that's so strange,

1034
01:15:03.840 --> 01:15:11.880
Simon, Like girls get labeled like
like is still referred to as a former

1035
01:15:12.000 --> 01:15:16.880
porn star and you're like she did
Playboy and Penthouse style nudity guys. Yea,

1036
01:15:16.920 --> 01:15:25.199
yeah, But like nudity is such
an issue here that like it's it's

1037
01:15:25.319 --> 01:15:28.399
very it's very bizarre, it's very
prudish. That being said. Though,

1038
01:15:28.479 --> 01:15:30.439
that being said, the younger generation, like the twenty somethings year olds,

1039
01:15:30.560 --> 01:15:35.399
are like they're they're changing their attitude
towards a lot Like Saliva Bridge is a

1040
01:15:35.479 --> 01:15:42.000
very popular underground fashion label here and
they literally their whole label is based on

1041
01:15:42.279 --> 01:15:46.479
embracing vices like poor Japanese pornography and
cambling and everything else. So the younger

1042
01:15:46.520 --> 01:15:49.920
generation, I cause I kind of
come up, I'm like forty one years

1043
01:15:49.920 --> 01:15:54.199
old. I come across a lot
of younger generation through either music shows or

1044
01:15:54.239 --> 01:15:57.600
interviews that I do, and I
always ask them like, how you consume

1045
01:15:57.680 --> 01:16:00.960
your media? What's interesting to you
guys? You know all this stuff.

1046
01:16:00.039 --> 01:16:05.119
And I think because of their access
to the Internet and more global like pains

1047
01:16:05.119 --> 01:16:08.560
and stuff like that, they're becoming
a little less conservative when it comes to

1048
01:16:08.600 --> 01:16:13.359
those things. Yeah, and Againstlaverbridge
really popular brand around here, and they

1049
01:16:13.479 --> 01:16:17.239
literally their cornerstones are embracing like gambling, Japanese pornography and everything else. And

1050
01:16:17.279 --> 01:16:20.960
they made a T shirt that was
really popular. I don't know how much

1051
01:16:20.960 --> 01:16:24.199
we can can we swear a lot
on this as much as you want?

1052
01:16:24.279 --> 01:16:26.800
Yeah, this is what they made
a T shirt, that's the brand.

1053
01:16:26.800 --> 01:16:29.399
There was a lot of saying fuck
boy advance. It took the game Boy

1054
01:16:29.399 --> 01:16:33.119
advancing. They preyed on sweaters and
like tons of women were wearing it and

1055
01:16:33.159 --> 01:16:34.920
tons of guys and everything else.
For a while, it was like a

1056
01:16:34.960 --> 01:16:39.279
big like it was a thing here
as well. Well, yeah, the

1057
01:16:39.279 --> 01:16:44.279
funny thing, The funny thing here
is what is some stuff people start wearing

1058
01:16:44.319 --> 01:16:48.039
and then they don't realize what it
means, Like, oh oh yeah.

1059
01:16:48.079 --> 01:16:55.439
Recently, one actress had started wearing
a porn Hub T shirt until someone googled

1060
01:16:55.439 --> 01:16:58.239
it and then she was suddenly a
pariah. And I'm like, oh my

1061
01:16:58.239 --> 01:17:01.239
god, I just I just boy
because it looked funny, it looked nice.

1062
01:17:01.359 --> 01:17:05.960
Yeah. So the funny thing is
like, we'll often get the thing

1063
01:17:05.960 --> 01:17:12.359
where they'll make fun of people,
joke about Westerners having random Chinese characters or

1064
01:17:12.359 --> 01:17:15.920
something on their shirt or on tattoos. But you'll see it's not coming to

1065
01:17:15.960 --> 01:17:19.760
be on the bus and there's some
eighty five year old Chinese woman wearing a

1066
01:17:19.800 --> 01:17:26.439
shirt saying porn star or something,
and you're going does she have any idea

1067
01:17:26.479 --> 01:17:29.520
what that means? Yeah, that's
what I love it. When you see

1068
01:17:29.520 --> 01:17:33.760
the older ladies like wearing stuff like
that, you're like, whoa, that's

1069
01:17:33.760 --> 01:17:35.880
not what you think of. But
it looks cool. The graphics are good.

1070
01:17:35.920 --> 01:17:39.479
No, no, but that means
really different. Well, yeah,

1071
01:17:39.720 --> 01:17:43.079
it's very you gotta be bit careful
stuff. So yeah, let's get to

1072
01:17:43.119 --> 01:17:45.920
the fun part. I'm curious obviously, you guys are known for martial arts

1073
01:17:45.960 --> 01:17:50.640
commentaries. Mostly you're breaking out.
You got keen of lorber stuff coming out

1074
01:17:50.640 --> 01:17:55.000
with Missing Yeah, what do you
really want to do? What is on

1075
01:17:55.039 --> 01:17:58.920
the on the wish list that you're
in Japanese films? I wonder Japanese v

1076
01:17:59.039 --> 01:18:00.800
cinema. That's what I really want
to do, Mike, what do you

1077
01:18:00.840 --> 01:18:05.199
want to do? I would like
to do Edwardian costume. Yeah, it's

1078
01:18:05.239 --> 01:18:12.119
exactly no, no, no,
the same thing. There's so much like

1079
01:18:13.239 --> 01:18:17.079
more Cannon stuff, Like I'd love
to do more Cannon because Canon. Canon

1080
01:18:17.159 --> 01:18:21.199
is the reason I'm like this.
I blame Cannon for everything. Yeah,

1081
01:18:21.359 --> 01:18:26.159
but like I'd love to do more
stuff like Canon. I'd love to do

1082
01:18:26.359 --> 01:18:31.680
things like blood Sport or American Ninja
too, American Ninja movies. Yeah,

1083
01:18:32.640 --> 01:18:35.800
like we love the Hong Kong movies. We love the martial arts movies,

1084
01:18:36.319 --> 01:18:43.800
but we don't just watch them.
We watch so it's like, I mean,

1085
01:18:44.000 --> 01:18:46.479
I went to high school in Italy
and I consume tons of Italian Gallo

1086
01:18:46.560 --> 01:18:55.760
films when I was there, and
like and like yeah, and like you

1087
01:18:55.800 --> 01:18:58.199
know Zombie and Zombie do It and
all that stuff. You know, I

1088
01:18:58.479 --> 01:19:00.359
watched all that. I want to
do Night City because I just rewatched that

1089
01:19:00.399 --> 01:19:05.000
the other day. City is a
crazy film. Like I think Nama City

1090
01:19:05.039 --> 01:19:10.640
inspired Robert Rodriguez's Planet Ter If I'm
not mistaken, I think so. But

1091
01:19:10.720 --> 01:19:13.159
like, but no, I think
I said, like, I'd love doing

1092
01:19:13.199 --> 01:19:17.279
more Hard. I'd love to do
there's a good a lot of good films,

1093
01:19:17.319 --> 01:19:19.680
man. Yeah, some of the
accuses of the movies. I'd love

1094
01:19:19.720 --> 01:19:25.880
to do some of the macaroni combat
stuff because I think the same fun like

1095
01:19:27.359 --> 01:19:31.920
you know, it's yeah, and
also just there's some stuff like we're we're

1096
01:19:31.960 --> 01:19:38.239
doing a really cool nineties action movie
this week. Yeah, like that.

1097
01:19:38.840 --> 01:19:43.279
It's just one of the ones where
it's just like it's it's exactly a product

1098
01:19:43.319 --> 01:19:45.840
of the nineties. Yeah, it's
it's so nineties. Yeah, yeah,

1099
01:19:45.880 --> 01:19:48.720
it's good. It's the good parts, the fun parts of the nineties though.

1100
01:19:48.880 --> 01:19:51.920
Yeah, but no, there's there's
so much. I mean, that's

1101
01:19:51.960 --> 01:20:01.239
one like women we were audio prostitutes, just anything. I would do anything

1102
01:20:02.119 --> 01:20:05.199
but that. But basically, like
I think it, but yeah, the

1103
01:20:05.279 --> 01:20:09.560
Japanese stuff, you know what what
I would love. We've discussed this among

1104
01:20:09.560 --> 01:20:13.039
ourselves and even a little bit audio
comic keys. We would love for some

1105
01:20:13.119 --> 01:20:15.800
label to go to Taiwan and find
some really cool Taiwan films I'm not even

1106
01:20:15.800 --> 01:20:19.439
been subtitled or anything else and released
those because that is a gold mine.

1107
01:20:19.439 --> 01:20:23.680
Man. Like we've kind of touched
on some stuff through the kung fu because

1108
01:20:23.680 --> 01:20:28.720
there's some weird like you know,
crossover between Hong Kong and Taiwan had its

1109
01:20:28.760 --> 01:20:31.800
own kind of subgenres. It had
like Taiwan black cinema, which is like

1110
01:20:32.520 --> 01:20:38.000
the super violent gangsters. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Miss forty

1111
01:20:38.039 --> 01:20:42.960
five get remade in Taiwan as well. Yeah, it's like and there's that,

1112
01:20:43.359 --> 01:20:47.960
Like I'd love to revisit anything by
Chewy and Ping and c because fourth

1113
01:20:48.039 --> 01:20:51.800
amazing, you have to, Okay, Basically, Chewymping is a director who

1114
01:20:53.760 --> 01:20:57.319
Okay, I'm gonna make this movie, and this movie will be some kind

1115
01:20:57.359 --> 01:21:04.920
of wonderful meet some America. Can
Ninja meets Scarface? Yeah? Yo.

1116
01:21:06.119 --> 01:21:14.520
And he did one movie called Hunting
List and it's basically it's States of Grace

1117
01:21:15.000 --> 01:21:24.279
set in Taiwan, including all the
Irish stuff's Patrick State Parades in Taiwan.

1118
01:21:24.840 --> 01:21:26.239
And he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I

1119
01:21:26.319 --> 01:21:28.479
see it in the movie. You
know what I would love to do.

1120
01:21:28.479 --> 01:21:30.000
I'd love to do some of the
IFD stuff, like Ninja Terminator, for

1121
01:21:30.039 --> 01:21:33.960
example, getting Godfrey back. But
we also know some people, like we've

1122
01:21:34.000 --> 01:21:36.840
been working on a documentary for years
called Me on Grindhouse, which is about

1123
01:21:36.880 --> 01:21:41.279
like the Grindhouse andem of Hong Kong, and basically, like we know a

1124
01:21:41.319 --> 01:21:44.319
lot of people involved. It'd be
funny get a room full of like people

1125
01:21:44.319 --> 01:21:47.399
work on the Godfrey stuff and just
like chat and comment about all that because

1126
01:21:48.439 --> 01:21:51.479
they're like they like, you know, he got films from like a failed

1127
01:21:51.479 --> 01:21:56.319
film from like say Taiwan or Korea. Love Story just spliced ninjas into there

1128
01:21:56.560 --> 01:22:00.560
and like we shot extra footage and
everything else. So to get like some

1129
01:22:00.720 --> 01:22:03.119
of that coming in and like doing
audio comedies with those would be so much

1130
01:22:03.119 --> 01:22:06.319
fun. And then the labels could
even release it with just the stuff that

1131
01:22:06.359 --> 01:22:10.359
you could have an option where it
just plays the stuff that God shot,

1132
01:22:10.479 --> 01:22:15.720
or just or plays the entire film
or whatever. Catman and that's crazy Australian

1133
01:22:15.840 --> 01:22:25.039
superhero whose basic powers he can swear
uge the channel on TVs. Yeah,

1134
01:22:25.119 --> 01:22:30.279
America's Batman. Hong Kong is cat
Man. Yeah, they were guys Like

1135
01:22:31.560 --> 01:22:34.680
that's I think there's so much.
I mean, it's just you know,

1136
01:22:34.840 --> 01:22:40.800
like I'm just looking like Sonny Cheaber
films, like all that Sonny Cheaper stuff,

1137
01:22:40.840 --> 01:22:43.920
like to read it some of that. I'd love to read it.

1138
01:22:43.960 --> 01:22:46.279
More of the Chuck stuff because like
you can never go wrong with Chuck,

1139
01:22:46.600 --> 01:22:51.720
like Invasion US USA for instance.
I mean, like that movie is just

1140
01:22:51.760 --> 01:22:56.920
so awesome. I'd love to to
revisit some of the some of like Albert

1141
01:22:56.920 --> 01:23:01.840
Pie and stuff. Do some more
of Albert's you know, yeah you just

1142
01:23:01.840 --> 01:23:08.680
go, you know. And what's
been nice say with Keen Luber, etcetera,

1143
01:23:08.800 --> 01:23:12.800
is we're getting to do stuff like
it was great to revisit Hard Target

1144
01:23:13.079 --> 01:23:15.159
and then to do Bradder and to
do the other Chucks and everything, and

1145
01:23:15.199 --> 01:23:19.640
there's there's other stuff that they've got
on their books. I'm like, I

1146
01:23:19.680 --> 01:23:25.960
want to do this, you know, there's just that we're really that's the

1147
01:23:26.000 --> 01:23:30.479
problem. I think there's so much
we'd love to to revisit. You know,

1148
01:23:30.800 --> 01:23:32.439
can we talk we did we did
a European film recently. I don't

1149
01:23:32.439 --> 01:23:34.079
know if we can say what it
is? Which one we did? Can

1150
01:23:34.079 --> 01:23:39.079
we say it or now? Which
I can't say that because we're in a

1151
01:23:39.159 --> 01:23:43.239
podcast. You got a private yet
there there was, there was there was

1152
01:23:45.199 --> 01:23:53.720
oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah,
Oh you mean the puppy movie. Yes,

1153
01:23:53.920 --> 01:23:56.479
yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, I mean we got I want

1154
01:23:56.479 --> 01:24:00.000
to do more European things as well, because that's what is a very very

1155
01:24:00.039 --> 01:24:06.720
cool European movie. Yeah, it
was the way Well can we say what

1156
01:24:06.760 --> 01:24:09.920
it is? Well? What movie
was it? I can't say what it

1157
01:24:09.960 --> 01:24:20.159
is? That was hilarious, but
but I'd like to do more European stuff.

1158
01:24:20.199 --> 01:24:21.840
I don't know if we can say
what movie that was? I don't

1159
01:24:21.840 --> 01:24:26.720
know. This promote warm peace,
Yeah that's what it was. Yeah,

1160
01:24:26.720 --> 01:24:38.079
it was a warm audio audio comedy
Mike Leader. Yeah, that's the fun.

1161
01:24:38.159 --> 01:24:43.479
There's so much, like, like, I just got to revisit Sword

1162
01:24:43.560 --> 01:24:47.760
Kill, Ghost Warrior with Brandon for
for Keeno Orbit. I mean there you

1163
01:24:47.920 --> 01:24:53.119
I mean, you know, time
traveling samurais. You can't go wrong with

1164
01:24:53.159 --> 01:24:57.720
that. It's ludicrous. Stuff is
fun. I'd love to read. I'd

1165
01:24:57.760 --> 01:25:00.479
have to do Breaking Canon. I
love to break down to the movie Breaking.

1166
01:25:00.560 --> 01:25:02.800
You know, it's like, oh
Breaking, You're like, oh,

1167
01:25:02.920 --> 01:25:06.439
John claud In, that isn't he
John claud Everyone, Okay, that's the

1168
01:25:08.239 --> 01:25:14.640
Marshall Vie. Okay. You've got
the student of a traditional style who meets

1169
01:25:14.680 --> 01:25:18.960
two unorthodox masters of their own style. She trains with them, develops her

1170
01:25:19.000 --> 01:25:25.399
own style, and at the same
time meets Michelle Case aka Tongbo Jean Claude.

1171
01:25:25.720 --> 01:25:28.760
And then they go to a redneck
bar where they meet the Chuckler,

1172
01:25:28.840 --> 01:25:32.399
a stunt team. Yeah, talk
about that. You know the weirdest thing

1173
01:25:32.399 --> 01:25:34.399
that Mike ever said to me?
He goes, he goes, he goes,

1174
01:25:34.640 --> 01:25:36.439
yeah, like I talked about video
games. He goes, yeah.

1175
01:25:36.439 --> 01:25:39.600
You know when they cheat a dance
dance Revolution. I go, no,

1176
01:25:39.680 --> 01:25:43.159
I don't know the way they cheated
dance Dance Revolution. Why do you know

1177
01:25:43.279 --> 01:25:45.279
this? And I got the image
of my head of Mike Leer going dance

1178
01:25:45.359 --> 01:25:49.119
dance dance in the pads for dance
dance resolution at the ar gadeholds because that

1179
01:25:49.159 --> 01:25:56.680
would be a very strange and I
don't know, I just it just doesn't

1180
01:25:56.720 --> 01:25:59.520
seem it seem like you play like, you know, street fighter or something

1181
01:25:59.520 --> 01:26:00.960
like that. It wouldn't like the
prison I did. I did used to

1182
01:26:00.960 --> 01:26:04.079
take the guys from the jackie Chan
video game to play the jackie Chan video

1183
01:26:04.079 --> 01:26:10.520
game. Yeah, which was very
weird because yeah, video no, I

1184
01:26:10.560 --> 01:26:15.319
mean that there's there's so much.
I mean, there's like TV series I'd

1185
01:26:15.359 --> 01:26:18.960
love to revisit. They're Aldio a
common trades for There's there's you know,

1186
01:26:19.000 --> 01:26:24.079
there's some movies. There's a movie, okay, there's a movie called By

1187
01:26:24.159 --> 01:26:28.640
the Sword with Eric Robertson from Abraham
I'd love to read. It's an awesome

1188
01:26:28.680 --> 01:26:36.680
sword fencing movie. There's a movie
called What There's It's a movie with Peter

1189
01:26:36.800 --> 01:26:43.640
Coyote called Exposure. Yeah, and
it's an art It begins as an artistic

1190
01:26:43.680 --> 01:26:47.119
movie about a photographer in South America
and then ten minutes into the movie he

1191
01:26:47.199 --> 01:26:54.399
gets horrifically stabbed. So he tracks
down Checki Carrio to teach him knife fighting,

1192
01:26:55.159 --> 01:27:00.439
and for fifteen minutes, it becomes
a knife fighting instructional Like if anyone

1193
01:27:00.479 --> 01:27:03.359
in that movie was associated with action
movies, it would be banned because for

1194
01:27:03.399 --> 01:27:09.279
fifteen minutes he's telling you no,
no, no, underhand slash hold under

1195
01:27:09.279 --> 01:27:12.159
your hand so if they grab your
wrist, you can still slice. Blah

1196
01:27:12.199 --> 01:27:17.399
blah blah bah. And it's a
really cool shot in South America down in

1197
01:27:17.479 --> 01:27:26.520
dirty kind of like artistic vigilante movie. It's there's there's some cool Indian films

1198
01:27:26.560 --> 01:27:28.720
as well out there. I mean
there's some mad Indian films. There's a

1199
01:27:28.760 --> 01:27:31.279
really crazy so many more Indian films. There's hardly anything getting released to that.

1200
01:27:31.439 --> 01:27:36.439
And there's a really crazy one called
Mahakal, which is the Indian remakeer

1201
01:27:36.439 --> 01:27:40.840
of Nightmare and Elms is really fun. There's another film that scatees my mind

1202
01:27:40.920 --> 01:27:43.439
right now, but it looks like
an eighties Hong Kong movie. It's so

1203
01:27:43.800 --> 01:27:46.680
cool. The name is Scapes my
Mind. But it's about this guy.

1204
01:27:46.680 --> 01:27:49.319
He starts off in the village and
later on he grows up to me a

1205
01:27:49.319 --> 01:27:53.840
big gangster that comes this crazy gangster
film and it's shot beautifully. A lot

1206
01:27:53.840 --> 01:27:56.960
of Indian films are shot really well. Because they're shot in thirty five millimeter.

1207
01:27:57.119 --> 01:27:59.880
You know, they lik gorgeous and
they have the man power to make

1208
01:27:59.880 --> 01:28:02.199
them look gorgeous. But yeah,
also from the eighties and the nineties from

1209
01:28:02.199 --> 01:28:06.399
India, there's what movies would you
like us to do the audio cor Yeah?

1210
01:28:06.439 --> 01:28:09.720
Yeah, what movies would you like
us to do the audio commentries for?

1211
01:28:10.279 --> 01:28:12.359
I mean, honestly, like you, we will come to your house

1212
01:28:12.399 --> 01:28:15.960
and do them in person. I
want to hold you to that. I

1213
01:28:16.000 --> 01:28:19.479
would love just to see more from
the late nineties stuff that's other genres because

1214
01:28:19.479 --> 01:28:24.920
you guys, again, the whole
friends hanging out aspect is what makes your

1215
01:28:24.920 --> 01:28:30.479
commentary so interesting. So the nineties
are so under I don't want to really

1216
01:28:30.479 --> 01:28:34.279
say underrated, but they're kind of
underappreciated for what they actually gave to a

1217
01:28:34.279 --> 01:28:38.079
lot of cinema. And if you
look at especially the latter half of the

1218
01:28:38.159 --> 01:28:41.720
nineties, they're not represented on a
lot of these labels. So to get

1219
01:28:42.079 --> 01:28:44.960
new stuff out there would be so
nice to hear you guys on some of

1220
01:28:44.960 --> 01:28:46.359
that stuff. No, And I
think that's the thing that it's this.

1221
01:28:48.159 --> 01:28:53.560
There are some movies that you just
really do go. I think some of

1222
01:28:53.560 --> 01:28:58.000
them an audio commentary or special edition
is the only way to see them because

1223
01:28:58.039 --> 01:29:02.960
it gives people the incentive to export, because absolutely sometimes you know you're going,

1224
01:29:03.000 --> 01:29:08.640
no, no, well there's interviews
and stuff on him. Maybe I'll

1225
01:29:08.640 --> 01:29:12.880
take I'll take that child awesome Hong
Kong from the nineties. I would love

1226
01:29:12.960 --> 01:29:15.720
doing audio commentary thing and I made
videos about it and I've done everything.

1227
01:29:15.720 --> 01:29:18.399
Would be bio Zombie. I love
Biozombie. The first Hong Kong celebrity ever

1228
01:29:18.439 --> 01:29:20.840
really met with Sam Lee. It
was in a club called Magazine Here,

1229
01:29:20.880 --> 01:29:24.199
which is gone, and I start
talking about movies and he was like,

1230
01:29:24.199 --> 01:29:25.720
oh, this is nice, Like, yeah, I love beasts cos I

1231
01:29:25.720 --> 01:29:27.840
love you and biozomb me and he
just like went, oh yeah, bio

1232
01:29:27.960 --> 01:29:30.920
Zombie obviously the zombie stuff and everything
else the club. I was like,

1233
01:29:31.119 --> 01:29:33.479
this is great. We'd end up
talking about music and everything else. But

1234
01:29:33.600 --> 01:29:36.640
bio Zombie, that's a big one
that I want to do, Like an

1235
01:29:36.640 --> 01:29:40.199
audio calls I wanted to in that
case, I want to do Biocops.

1236
01:29:40.920 --> 01:29:44.880
Biocomps is a terrible freaking movie.
Like Biocomps is long, Jing going,

1237
01:29:44.920 --> 01:29:47.279
aha, bio Zombies good. I
won't make Biocops is and they shot Biocomps

1238
01:29:47.359 --> 01:29:53.800
in seven days because it's biocops is
yeah, biocops like a bios theo zombie

1239
01:29:53.800 --> 01:29:57.840
things have become big and he tanked
it with that, so Bioso. It's

1240
01:29:57.840 --> 01:29:59.479
like, I don't know if you've
heard about the film, it's like Dawn

1241
01:29:59.520 --> 01:30:01.439
of the Dead, but in Hong
Kong mall. Yeah, so it's and

1242
01:30:01.479 --> 01:30:06.520
they're selling pirate VCDs yeah, and
video games in the movie. Yeah,

1243
01:30:06.560 --> 01:30:12.159
it's and and actually that mall is
really close to where I where I live,

1244
01:30:12.279 --> 01:30:15.479
so it's I would love to I'd
love to see if I could.

1245
01:30:15.520 --> 01:30:16.680
I'd love to see the Troublesome Night
films, but I don't think those are

1246
01:30:16.680 --> 01:30:20.439
ever gonna come out because one to
six, especially Hermanyaw directed them, who

1247
01:30:20.479 --> 01:30:24.439
did like all the films, But
I don't know if there's an audience for

1248
01:30:24.520 --> 01:30:27.800
that in the West. I'm not
sure because that's Simon Lloy and all that

1249
01:30:27.840 --> 01:30:30.880
stuff. And that's the problem that
there's that it's sometimes trying to release a

1250
01:30:30.920 --> 01:30:40.520
movie to introduce people to like Ricky
or say sevenths is a great introduction to

1251
01:30:40.520 --> 01:30:44.079
a lot of people for a Category
three movie, because you come on,

1252
01:30:44.119 --> 01:30:46.680
guys, there's there's recognizable stuff in
it. I'm gonna take you on a

1253
01:30:46.680 --> 01:30:51.680
wild ride some some of those movies, if you release them without a precursor,

1254
01:30:51.680 --> 01:30:56.720
people are just gonna go I don't
get Yeah, I said The Troublesome

1255
01:30:56.800 --> 01:31:03.239
Night. You've got to be so
used to Hong Kong yable because like like

1256
01:31:03.359 --> 01:31:05.479
one of the main things in Hong
Kong, like we've discussed for it,

1257
01:31:05.640 --> 01:31:11.640
is like when you first come to
Hong Kong, you'll see people burning money

1258
01:31:12.359 --> 01:31:15.920
for the dead. You're like,
okay. Then you'll see people burning cardboard

1259
01:31:16.000 --> 01:31:20.039
replicas of Blu ray players so that
I will have a Blu ray Player in

1260
01:31:21.199 --> 01:31:27.840
And then you'll see Anna burning a
cardboard Amy Yip so that accompany me.

1261
01:31:29.359 --> 01:31:33.399
She makes money off those two and
it's true. And then like you have

1262
01:31:34.119 --> 01:31:40.319
there's a place in Hong Kong where
a group of old ladies sit and I

1263
01:31:40.359 --> 01:31:45.399
can go there and I can write
Venomo's name on a piece of paper and

1264
01:31:45.439 --> 01:31:49.159
the women will start beating it with
their shoe to bring bad luck that I've

1265
01:31:49.159 --> 01:31:59.279
ever done that Anna fall off a
skateboard, though, like can I tell

1266
01:31:59.399 --> 01:32:02.239
I literally would skateboarding and on a
normal and a parking lot somewhere and like

1267
01:32:02.239 --> 01:32:05.560
everything was fine, and this random
piece of trash got in between the trucks

1268
01:32:05.560 --> 01:32:10.319
and the wheels of skateboard and I
fell forward off the skateboard and my shoulder

1269
01:32:10.399 --> 01:32:15.239
hit the concrete like a jackhammer man. It was crazy. Oh talk.

1270
01:32:15.319 --> 01:32:17.359
The guy of skateboarding with was Mike
Chan, not the Michael Chan the you

1271
01:32:17.399 --> 01:32:20.199
know from the Triad films, But
Michael Chan has been a bunch of other

1272
01:32:20.239 --> 01:32:24.520
Hong Kong films. And he did
a film called Seafood Versus Vampire That would

1273
01:32:24.520 --> 01:32:28.560
be a fun one in audio commentry
for it because it's absolutely mad that movie.

1274
01:32:29.319 --> 01:32:32.079
So yeah, and he plays a
vampire in that, and my Chance

1275
01:32:32.119 --> 01:32:39.359
is just a very interesting character.
Yeah, yeah, there's so many.

1276
01:32:39.479 --> 01:32:42.960
Yeah, I'm keen to give you
your days back. I don't want to

1277
01:32:42.960 --> 01:32:45.039
take all of your time from you. The big question, what has been

1278
01:32:45.079 --> 01:32:47.760
announced that you want to get people
excited for? Is there a list of

1279
01:32:47.760 --> 01:32:51.279
stuff that you know that you got
coming up? Oh yes, madam,

1280
01:32:51.760 --> 01:32:57.199
it's really cool, yes, madam. And Royal Warriors Warriors yeah, yeah,

1281
01:32:58.319 --> 01:33:00.560
which were great to re visit and
said there's gonna be some cool special

1282
01:33:00.560 --> 01:33:05.079
features on there from us. I
said, so for for Keno Lauber.

1283
01:33:05.199 --> 01:33:10.199
We have we were able to contribute
to the Braddock release. I don'd love

1284
01:33:10.239 --> 01:33:13.880
to have done all three three,
but they've got the directors involved for the

1285
01:33:13.880 --> 01:33:21.520
first two. I mean yeah.
Then A sword Kill is coming out,

1286
01:33:21.720 --> 01:33:27.119
which is me and Brandon Bentley.
Then there's uh, I said, we're

1287
01:33:27.159 --> 01:33:30.960
doing a very cool movie this week. All I can say is it involves

1288
01:33:30.960 --> 01:33:35.079
a mullet. Yeah, you know, and I think they're gonna they're gonna

1289
01:33:35.039 --> 01:33:40.479
announce it this week. And there's
a there's a bunch of other stuff that

1290
01:33:41.800 --> 01:33:46.520
we've we've got that's still coming out
from other companies. Something I think is

1291
01:33:46.560 --> 01:33:50.199
we we don't always know the release
dates. Yeah, a new one.

1292
01:33:50.199 --> 01:33:56.640
I'm Swordsman as well from TV Newarm
Swordsman in Germany from from the Crazy Vengeance

1293
01:33:56.720 --> 01:34:01.960
label, which work out how to
have a website that people can use.

1294
01:34:04.680 --> 01:34:09.960
Merco basically you have to you have
to journey into the House of Traps and

1295
01:34:10.000 --> 01:34:14.399
overcome various obstacles to order movies.
But but, but, but respect to

1296
01:34:14.479 --> 01:34:17.479
Merco. He gave us our first
audio commentary. Yeah, that was awesome.

1297
01:34:17.840 --> 01:34:24.239
But he's just sometimes you're like Merco, you do know, people need

1298
01:34:24.279 --> 01:34:28.960
to buy the movies, like if
you made your interface a little bit more

1299
01:34:29.039 --> 01:34:32.159
user friendly, it would help things. Germany, he's got a lot of

1300
01:34:32.159 --> 01:34:35.039
those. They just they they don't
advertise a lot of them. Well,

1301
01:34:35.199 --> 01:34:39.199
well, I think sometimes because a
lot of the German titles are shall we

1302
01:34:39.199 --> 01:34:44.359
say right areas Americas are all legit. I think the reason is that when

1303
01:34:44.399 --> 01:34:48.680
they sign the contract, there's parallel
import issues, right, So if you

1304
01:34:48.760 --> 01:34:51.119
make it, if you're released in
Germany, you're not supposed to release it

1305
01:34:51.199 --> 01:34:55.319
in the United States of America.
And that's probably why they were And that's

1306
01:34:55.359 --> 01:34:59.439
also something that sometimes I don't think
people get because you often get people going,

1307
01:35:00.359 --> 01:35:04.520
how come this release doesn't hav English
subtypes because I've licensed it for France,

1308
01:35:05.000 --> 01:35:09.600
it's not for you. If I
license within the subtiles, I've got

1309
01:35:09.600 --> 01:35:13.720
to pay for all the other territories
that can use it. And it's like

1310
01:35:14.600 --> 01:35:16.880
when people started complaining like, oh, well, Eureka has already released this

1311
01:35:16.920 --> 01:35:20.399
movie, why is eighty eight releasing
it in America? Or why is Vinegar

1312
01:35:20.439 --> 01:35:25.880
Syndrome releasing this? And you go, they're different territories, guys. Yeah,

1313
01:35:26.159 --> 01:35:31.119
it's not a conspiracy. It's not
a global conspiracy. It's just it's

1314
01:35:31.119 --> 01:35:36.840
how busy it's a movie business,
right for this movie and it can you

1315
01:35:36.880 --> 01:35:41.960
know, Okay, look at the
when they did the Watchmen movie. You

1316
01:35:42.000 --> 01:35:45.920
know, twentieth Century Fox had spent
all that money making the movie, and

1317
01:35:45.960 --> 01:35:49.640
then someone at Warner Brothers went,
you do know we still own the US

1318
01:35:49.640 --> 01:35:58.640
distribution rights. You sometimes sit there
and you find someone snuck in and bought

1319
01:35:58.640 --> 01:36:04.880
all these movies and have never released
them, like a like Warner's Warners in

1320
01:36:04.960 --> 01:36:11.680
nineteen ninety six acquired a shed load
of Hong Kong movies, but some of

1321
01:36:11.720 --> 01:36:17.720
the most random choices of movie.
And because they've got like can movies,

1322
01:36:17.800 --> 01:36:23.600
they've got Petty Cab Driver, they've
got they've got some really callings, but

1323
01:36:23.600 --> 01:36:27.840
they've done kind of nothing with them. And like I know, Jeff Briggs

1324
01:36:27.840 --> 01:36:30.720
at Warner Brothers trying to to get
them to release more. But the same

1325
01:36:30.760 --> 01:36:35.600
thing people also forget. If you
don't support the releases, companies go oh,

1326
01:36:35.640 --> 01:36:41.560
there's no market for these films and
won't release them. Yes, And

1327
01:36:41.600 --> 01:36:46.239
I think sometimes that is the issue
that it's easy to sit there and go

1328
01:36:47.119 --> 01:36:50.039
blah blah. But I remember the
days where you'd be like, Okay,

1329
01:36:50.039 --> 01:36:55.600
well, I've bought this version and
it's all in Chinese. Oh, now

1330
01:36:55.640 --> 01:36:58.640
I'm going to have to buy this
version because it's got English subtitles. Oh,

1331
01:36:58.720 --> 01:37:01.800
this one's got that like. And
there are some films I have like

1332
01:37:02.479 --> 01:37:06.479
far too many copies off from far
too many different places, just because I

1333
01:37:06.520 --> 01:37:09.720
mean, I'm an idiot and I'm
like, I like the cover, I

1334
01:37:09.800 --> 01:37:12.920
like the thing, And bizarrely,
I have about ten copies of Sore,

1335
01:37:13.000 --> 01:37:15.560
for which I'm still absolutely not sure
how I keep getting. I don't know

1336
01:37:15.600 --> 01:37:19.319
why you have, but I think
I think overall, I think we should

1337
01:37:19.319 --> 01:37:24.560
conclude that we should be very aware
how how lucky we are to live in

1338
01:37:24.560 --> 01:37:29.359
age with Blu ray discs full like
full fro. I mean, we don't

1339
01:37:29.359 --> 01:37:33.159
have like shit cut off the side. I always if you'd said to me

1340
01:37:33.239 --> 01:37:39.840
when I left England. Yeah,
yeah that one day. Keanu Reeves,

1341
01:37:39.880 --> 01:37:42.479
the guy from Bill and Ted,
is going to be known for doing a

1342
01:37:42.520 --> 01:37:46.119
kung fu movie. Sam O Hung
is going to have a number one rated

1343
01:37:46.159 --> 01:37:51.039
TV show in America. Ye know
that all these Hong Kong movies are going

1344
01:37:51.079 --> 01:37:59.479
to be available not only beautifully letterboxed, but with original audio subtitles. Special

1345
01:37:59.520 --> 01:38:03.119
things cuts, multiple cuts. You
know, I'd never believe you, you

1346
01:38:03.119 --> 01:38:08.760
know, because those were the days
when you're like I remember when you go

1347
01:38:08.760 --> 01:38:13.479
to Chinatown and the shops would refuse
to sell you stuff because like, oh

1348
01:38:13.560 --> 01:38:15.640
no, no no. And I'd
also give a shout out to like Darren

1349
01:38:15.640 --> 01:38:19.359
Wheeling and Kumfort Bob for the crazy
of cover artwork. Yeah. Yeah,

1350
01:38:19.439 --> 01:38:23.640
it just helps breathe new life.
I mean, I love the cover artists

1351
01:38:23.640 --> 01:38:25.279
on the original films. Some of
them not that good, but some of

1352
01:38:25.359 --> 01:38:28.119
are really great. But it helps
breathe new life in that and in the

1353
01:38:28.199 --> 01:38:30.840
labels. They don't have to pay
for that, Okay, they do that

1354
01:38:30.880 --> 01:38:34.319
because they care, That's why.
And it's the same thing like we've we've

1355
01:38:34.359 --> 01:38:39.159
touched on before and go about with
marketing. Like the funny thing is,

1356
01:38:39.800 --> 01:38:45.119
like sometimes people complain about retitles or
anything. Okay, if you took the

1357
01:38:45.159 --> 01:38:50.119
Shore Brothers movie Dirty ho still one
of the greatest titles and greatest tagline you

1358
01:38:50.199 --> 01:38:55.760
haven't lived until you've fought dirty oh
and then you're dead. But if you

1359
01:38:55.800 --> 01:38:58.319
went, I'm going to re release
that, but I'm going to put it

1360
01:38:58.359 --> 01:39:02.600
back to its original Chinese wuhage title, which is the eighth Prince fans will

1361
01:39:02.640 --> 01:39:08.079
be up in arms because you weren't
using the original title, and you sometimes

1362
01:39:08.079 --> 01:39:12.279
go, guys, oh yeah,
a big one I want to do an

1363
01:39:12.319 --> 01:39:15.560
audio commentary for is Master the Flying
Guillotine. That's if I if, I

1364
01:39:15.560 --> 01:39:18.560
if I have to do no other
kung fu movie ever again, And you

1365
01:39:18.600 --> 01:39:21.000
go, what's the last kung fu
movie ever? Do? Master the Flying

1366
01:39:21.000 --> 01:39:27.279
Guillotine's my favorite kung fu film?
Men Taiwan, So like I love that

1367
01:39:27.319 --> 01:39:31.479
movie. Yeah, really good grig
movie. But no, I mean said

1368
01:39:31.600 --> 01:39:40.239
it's And also it's it's great to
revisit these movies. Yeah, it's great

1369
01:39:40.239 --> 01:39:44.239
to be able to revisit them with
because even if we're not doing commentaries,

1370
01:39:44.279 --> 01:39:49.920
we're talking about movies movies. Yeah, and you know, and it's great

1371
01:39:49.960 --> 01:39:55.359
to get feedback from people. It's
great to hear when people like them.

1372
01:39:55.720 --> 01:40:00.720
It's great to hear sometimes that you
know, people have heard about movie from

1373
01:40:00.760 --> 01:40:03.359
something we've mentioned and then gonna,
yeah on that movie, that's really good

1374
01:40:03.359 --> 01:40:06.680
message me and go, oh,
you guys mentioned this movie and then I

1375
01:40:06.720 --> 01:40:12.079
went off and looked for that or
you know, and that's the way it

1376
01:40:12.079 --> 01:40:15.279
should be. Like, it's really
funny. So on Instagram. Literally on

1377
01:40:15.319 --> 01:40:19.880
my Instagram yesterday I posted the uh, what was I gonna say? Close

1378
01:40:19.880 --> 01:40:25.000
account the Dead and the Deadly the
audio comedy for that, and someone under

1379
01:40:25.039 --> 01:40:27.159
that, Oh, that's one of
your other audio comms. I'm gonna look

1380
01:40:27.199 --> 01:40:30.920
tracked on Troublesome Night twenty four hours
ago story and like all these other films

1381
01:40:30.920 --> 01:40:32.239
that we mentioned, and he goes, yeah, people actually do listen and

1382
01:40:32.239 --> 01:40:35.279
write stuff down and they chase after
it. So maybe one day they will

1383
01:40:35.279 --> 01:40:38.520
be in market for these things.
Eve enough that will do that. And

1384
01:40:38.560 --> 01:40:42.680
I would like say, I would
like like to think the guys at the

1385
01:40:42.760 --> 01:40:49.359
movie asle who my god, they
not only listen to our commentaries, Yeah,

1386
01:40:49.399 --> 01:40:53.640
they like, holy shit, because
I was listening, I was written

1387
01:40:53.680 --> 01:40:58.279
a review, talked about half of
this. Yeah, we gotta say we've

1388
01:40:58.319 --> 01:41:00.920
done kind of like some of the
people interview, We've so many these audio

1389
01:41:00.920 --> 01:41:02.960
calms and these people some people ask
us the right stuff that we said,

1390
01:41:03.000 --> 01:41:06.319
we go did we say that?
Like, because we sometimes do two or

1391
01:41:06.319 --> 01:41:10.239
three audio comms in like, you
know, a week or something like that.

1392
01:41:10.279 --> 01:41:13.319
So sometimes we're just like, what's
the most audio comms we've done in

1393
01:41:13.359 --> 01:41:15.680
one week? Is it four or
no, or I think we did.

1394
01:41:15.039 --> 01:41:17.680
I think we did four one week. Yeah, yeah, I think we

1395
01:41:17.920 --> 01:41:23.079
four in one week. That's the
most we ever did. So as much

1396
01:41:23.159 --> 01:41:25.880
as we like each other's company,
sometimes we're like, no, that's enough.

1397
01:41:28.319 --> 01:41:30.520
Yeah, well, if you're watching, like their company and go listen

1398
01:41:30.560 --> 01:41:34.319
to some of their audio commentaries and
interviews because they're magical. And again that

1399
01:41:34.399 --> 01:41:36.960
shooting the ship, sitting down on
the couch, hanging out with these guys,

1400
01:41:38.359 --> 01:41:42.119
best way to learn the context.
And uh, it's hard to use

1401
01:41:42.119 --> 01:41:45.359
the word educational because it turns some
people off, but genuinely, it's just

1402
01:41:45.399 --> 01:41:47.600
to learn. There's so much cinema
out there to learn, you guys.

1403
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And the same thing. I listen
to audio commentaries I've learned, so it's

1404
01:41:53.880 --> 01:41:59.640
like it's it's like it's it's another
form of learning. It's another form of

1405
01:41:59.760 --> 01:42:03.079
game, more information about these movies. Yeah, it's film appreciation, is

1406
01:42:03.079 --> 01:42:06.319
what it is. And it's hang
out and hang out and just like showing

1407
01:42:06.359 --> 01:42:11.119
your love for cinema, you know, and if it gets who knows,

1408
01:42:11.479 --> 01:42:14.439
the ultimate thing for us I think
would be well for me, I'm maybe

1409
01:42:14.439 --> 01:42:16.319
Michael will say the same thing is
one day someone watched these things and they

1410
01:42:16.359 --> 01:42:19.720
themselves ended up making movies, and
they go, oh, I got into

1411
01:42:19.720 --> 01:42:23.800
these kind of movies because these guys
were talking about that for me would be

1412
01:42:24.000 --> 01:42:27.359
like the ultimate No exactly, and
that's the thing. And it's you know,

1413
01:42:28.560 --> 01:42:32.800
like I sometimes same thing as I
content why people are reluctant to admit

1414
01:42:32.840 --> 01:42:35.960
that, Oh I was introduced to
this movie like this, I was intoed

1415
01:42:36.000 --> 01:42:41.800
that. Like, I didn't grow
up as a fan of Kung Flu movies.

1416
01:42:42.279 --> 01:42:45.359
I hated Kung Fu movies. And
then I bunked off school with my

1417
01:42:45.439 --> 01:42:48.560
friends and we watched a double bill
of Snake and Eagle Shadow and Drunken Master,

1418
01:42:49.279 --> 01:42:51.279
and that made me a fan.
I was likely, shit, I'm

1419
01:42:51.279 --> 01:42:56.359
gonna watch these movies. Yeah,
the same way, I was never a

1420
01:42:56.359 --> 01:42:59.840
fan of Bruce Lee because the uk
edits and Bruce Lee I saw were really

1421
01:42:59.840 --> 01:43:02.840
bad ADVI edited. It was only
when I was in Hong Kong we were

1422
01:43:02.840 --> 01:43:05.680
talking about it and Samo Hung heard
me say that I didn't like Bruce Lee

1423
01:43:05.720 --> 01:43:10.840
movies, and the next day I
was given the privilege of sitting in Samo's

1424
01:43:10.840 --> 01:43:16.039
office with him showing me Bruce Lee
movies and telling me why Bruce Lee had

1425
01:43:16.119 --> 01:43:18.720
changed the world and changed cinema and
I was like, this is genius,

1426
01:43:19.159 --> 01:43:24.560
this is fantastic, and you go, is that there's so much you can

1427
01:43:24.640 --> 01:43:29.399
learn and there's so much you can
share, and yeah, it's it's just

1428
01:43:29.479 --> 01:43:32.359
great. It's it's it's a privilege
to be able to do them. It's

1429
01:43:32.439 --> 01:43:38.199
great fun doing them and just keep
the culture alive. Man by doing it.

1430
01:43:38.840 --> 01:43:43.520
That's a privilege, like keeps the
interest in buying allows it to keep

1431
01:43:43.600 --> 01:43:45.840
going too. Yeah, yeah,
exactly so. And these companies are paying

1432
01:43:45.880 --> 01:43:49.399
to do things and restore them and
everything else. And the funding in right

1433
01:43:49.399 --> 01:43:53.359
now in Hong Kong are the interests
in Hong Kong is not there for that.

1434
01:43:53.560 --> 01:43:58.000
So companies in America and the UK
and Germany where else, France,

1435
01:43:58.239 --> 01:44:00.680
you know, they're the way I
mean in com to try and get a

1436
01:44:00.720 --> 01:44:06.079
company to put on a on a
film is almost impossible. That like if

1437
01:44:06.119 --> 01:44:10.760
we've shut okay, we'll maybe slipping
on there. Yeah, yeah, you

1438
01:44:10.880 --> 01:44:13.199
talked about what we're gonna do interviews, We're gonn do what you're coming to

1439
01:44:13.199 --> 01:44:15.640
you right, They're like why,
yeah, why why would you a weird

1440
01:44:15.720 --> 01:44:21.159
thing? It's a weird Yes,
being appreciative of what we have is one

1441
01:44:21.159 --> 01:44:24.239
of the best ways that we get
in this So thank you guys for all

1442
01:44:24.279 --> 01:44:29.840
your time, thank you for your
work. I hope you'll come back.

1443
01:44:30.039 --> 01:44:33.880
Thank you. We'll talk about.
Have a good one. Bye bye,

1444
01:44:38.159 --> 01:45:00.760
tell me you know