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Thank you for listening to Depiction's Media
Radio. Welcome to Policy Rights to show

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about government policy and human rights.
Welcome back to Policy Rights here in Depictions

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of Media Radio, I'm your hosts
Michael Cloggs. In today's segments, we're

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going to hear from the NDP opposition
in Alberta, and we're also going to

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hear from Jack meet seeing as he's
answering questions to the press about the motion

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that he put on the floor to
remove the the Special Advisor for the interference

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into the electoral process in Canada.
And we're going to hear some statements about,

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of course the wildfires, and Justin
Trudeau is going to reinforce that we

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don't need a public inquiry into the
interference into the Canada electoral process. So

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let's focus on the Canada electoral process. And the real problem isn't so much

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that it may be safe now,
but does the public believe that it is

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safe? And with that, if
the public doesn't believe it is safe,

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we're going to see fewer and fewer
voter turn routes and it will have an

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effect on how our government, our
government processes work in electing electing officials and

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decision making that it's turned out to
a vote and then come back again that

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who is actually going to benefit from
this? You know, it could be

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China, of course, or it
could be some other foreign government. Since

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everybody strongly at this point and it's
strongly suspecting it's China, or is it

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some other factor that's already in Canada
that holds some corporate clout in our society.

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We need to strongly look into that, and thus they need for a

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public inquiry. So jag Meet Singh
is possibly correct in demanding and in putting

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emotion on the floor that would ensure
that public inquiry what happened. He's talking

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about how he's going to put pressure
on the Liberal government to ensure that public

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inquiry happens into what is actually happening, not only with the electoral process,

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but also in the withholding of information
that certain MP's were under surveillance by a

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foreign power. These things do actually
need to be looked into. They do

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need to be reported, and and
we need to do the things necessary and

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gather the information necessary in order to
keep our government safe and the things that

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make Canada the country that it is. In order to keep them safe,

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they need to be looked at.
So why don't we listen to today's show

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and you decide and make a voice
to whoever your local MP is about keep

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government safe so that we can vote
and know that our vote is being heard

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Nadian style. Confidence in David Johnson
and all other parties of how say they

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don't talk about offends. It's understandable
that the political parties want to make partisan

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points on this, but the fact
of the matter is Dave want Johnston a

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service but extraordinary passs decades. He
has chosen a number of times the most

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important jobs by Stephen Harper himself.
He's a man who, as the report

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shows, is taking this incredibly seriously
and gathered all the intelligence necessary. What

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we've highlighted it is that the intelligence
is available for the leaders of the opposition

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parties to avail themselves ves to understand
what underpends the very good report that to

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mister Johnston put out, and the
fact that they're choosing to be able to

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continue to play partisan games in that
of getting d into the actual facts.

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shows connected made David Johnston consut his
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D Big weep that that's us that
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are experts that that would like to
see a parting inquiry danced at and former

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CESUS member was four committee yesterday.
He says other inquiries required to restore confidence

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in institutions, whying on his word
and allow. We didn't appoint than to

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be the expert looking at this.
We looked at a whole bunch of different

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people who we would task with this
job because everyone is allowed to have opinions

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regardless of their back. What we're
looking for is whether it's the basket path

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for it, and that's exactly what
we entrusted this former governor general, who

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has a stellar reputation and level of
integrity, to actually look and write this

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report and he will notice that the
opposition parties are not emphasizing any disagreements with

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the actual report or conclusions, particularly
because they refused to get the necessary briefings

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that are being offered to them to
be able to understand and accept or disagree

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with those conclusions. They're continuing to
do add hormonem attacks, personal attacks against

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Daphad Johnson operate if they nearly Kid's
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for trave the chap V Paris every
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only all seats that you can the
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did the democracy only do the she
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associate us responsible from the very politic
Well, I'd like to first take a

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moment to express our tremendous shop and
awe and empathy for people across the country,

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particularly in the Atlantic provinces right now, who are being affected by wildfires.

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The images that we've seen coming out
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the past weeks, the stories and
the images we're seeing coming out of Nerva,

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Scotia and New Brunswick are heartbreaking.
We know people are extremely extremely distressed

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by what's going on. As a
federal government, we are there, we

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will be there to support. Minister
Bors regularly engaged, our local MPAs are

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active on the ground as much as
possible. We've actually asked the Public Service

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to give technical updates to all party
leaders so that they can know exactly what's

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going on, what our response is, and contribute more ideas and things that

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we can do on top of it. And we're continuing to look at ways

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for all Canadians to be able to
support people who are suffering to these devastating

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first files and will continue to be
there for people. Will explan more,

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that I keep having food, father
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or less over very close even for
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only on them. With that Mr
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possibly show sm fair paple fruit flip, discover our spasst for its be very

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short opening. We have a motion
today week. We want to see all

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members of this House support our emotion
calling from mister Johnson to be removed the

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special rappertore and to have a public
inquiry de la champ devote mister Johnson occublique,

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I'm ready for you. Yeah.
What happens if the motion passes but

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the government doesn't do what the motion
says, they keep David Johnson there?

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What are the consequences are there any
Well? First of all, the consequences

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our Canadians going to see that mister
that the Prime Minister is no longer putting

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the interests of the country in front
of his own personal interests. There's really

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no reason now to continue with mister
Johnson when it has become very clear that

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this is nothing nothing personal about mister
Johnson or his credibility. But the appearance

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of bias is too strong that it
undermines the work that mister the Prime Minister

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hope that mister Johnson would be able
to do. So they would sure that

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he's no longer putting the interest of
really restoring confidence of democracy, and he's

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more interested in protecting a position that
he's taken which no longer makes sense.

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There anyway for mister Johnson to continue. I believe strongly, and I've said

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this before, I believe that mister
Johnson is absolutely an honorable person. If

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he sees that the world of the
House is for him not to continue,

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I believe he will take that as
a clear message that he can't continue to

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do his work and he'll step down. That's still that's still something that I

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believe, say, say on a
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and special Incision Pasque, on a
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on a bison doing, on Kett
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confiance, the not a system elector
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sing your emotion, doesn't say do
this or else, so he just continues

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to ignore you. Well, this
is our tools that we have We're going

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to continue to put pressure on the
Prime minister, put pressure on the Liberal

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government, much like we put pressure
on the government in the past to bring

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in dental care. They said no
two years ago. We kept on fighting,

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We kept on pushing. They said
no twice. Two years ago,

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they teamed up with the Conservatives to
oppose it. And now kids under twelve

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have dental care and seniors will get
it by the end of this year.

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So ignore this is what's happened in
the past. We've fought for things and

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the Liberals have not wanted to do
with the Conservatives teamed up with them in

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the past. We're gonna keep on
pushing. We're gonna keep on fighting,

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continue to support the government if they
do not agree with your emotion. You

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just said he would have put the
country's interests behind his own. How can

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you continue support him? Then,
Well, let's let's look at that.

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We've got an agreement where there's twenty
seven things that this government has to do

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to help Canadians. If we move
away from that agreement, we're gonna let

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the Liberals off the hook. The
Liberals don't want to do these things.

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They didn't want to bring in dental
care. They don't want to bring in

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farmacare, they don't want to bring
in protections for workers. They don't want

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to do any of these things.
So if we get rid of the agreement,

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it's just gonna let the Liberals off
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them off the hook. We force
them to commit to these things. We're

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gonna make sure they follow through on
these things. They would love to get

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out of this agreement so they don't
have to deliver on pharmacare and dental care.

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We're going to continue to push to
deliver the things that Canadians need because

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Canadians need a breaking See pasque on
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sure the deadline takes up the terms
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we are saying that they should and
this is the will of the House.

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I'm hoping that it does pass.
This will be the will of the House.

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And I think that mister Trudeau,
the Prime Minister, continues to be

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in the wrong side of this issue, has shown a failure to recognize how

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serious this is and he would be
on the wrong side and have to answer

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the Canadians. But we're going to
put this out there. This is the

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will of the House. I'm hoping
mister Johnson does see this message clearly and

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the Prime Minister does and does the
right thing. Blocks on say the Monte

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the government is asking the r CMPE
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ministers and senior government officials. What
do you think about the fact that this

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is even necessary. I think it
is disturbing. It is concerning. One

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of the things that is maybe a
high light of Canadian politics is the accessibility

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that people have with ministers with elected
officials. People are in public and can

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be approached in public. I think
that's a positive thing. There's certainly a

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climate of aggression that from a from
a fringe or a small group of people,

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but a climate of aggression that has
made that that public appearance more difficult.

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I particularly think about vulnerable members of
parliament. I think about people that

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are more likely to be targeted or
more vulnerable if they are targeted. And

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that's not the climate we want to
have in politics. We want people to

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feel that they should enter into this
field if they want to, and they

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are not going to receive violence or
threats against them personally. People can disagree

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and that's normal, but not to
see that level of violence where people feel

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the need to have security, that
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you for joining for what is an important

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update in the continuing response to the
MASH Casualty Commission's recommendations. Before I share

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the microphone with my colleague, the
Public Safety Minister, Marco Manicino. Thank

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you, Marco, by the way
for being here with us today. I

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just want to offer a few thoughts
on the ongoing emergency situation of my home

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province of Nova Scotia. By this
time, you'll all be aware that communities

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across our province are ablaze. The
reality is that the number of people displaced

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is approaching twenty thousand as we speak. There are hundreds of homes that have

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been damaged and are at risk of
being destroyed as a result of the wildfires

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that continue to impact Nova Scotia.
Over the past few days, we've been

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doing what we can to make resources
available to respond within our areas of jurisdiction,

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including aerial surveillance from Transport Canada.
There are Coast Guard helicopters that are

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on route to the scene to assist
now, comfort trailers for crew, and

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a number of other measures. Whether
you look at extending the fishing season for

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harvesters who've been impacted, and will
of course be looking to continue to cooperate.

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Within the last hour, we have
received a request for further assistance from

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the Province of Nova Scotia. We
are coordinating across all departments to identify how

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and to the extent we can continue
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said over the past few days,
the federal government is going to be there

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to answer positively to the requests of
Nova Scotia and to Nova Scotians. Our

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priority is to help keep people safe
during this emergency. A quick thought for

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those who have friends, neighbors,
or family members who are impacted, I

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look out for one another right now. These are challenging times and to the

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first responders who are on the scene, we are so lucky to have your

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services. To keep people safe during
an emergency like this is something I am

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so grateful for. To the extent
anyone in Nova Scotia as an opportunity to

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say thank you to the first responders
who are on the scene scene, please

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take advantage of the opportunity to do
so. These are heroes living amongst us

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in our communities that are saving lives. Folks, all turn it over to

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my colleague, Ministerrmentacino to share an
important update on making good of some of

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the recommendations from the Mass Casualty Commission
Marcall. Please thank you Sean Melcy,

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and as we begin, I would
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territory of the Algonquin peoples. And
before I do come to the substance of

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the announcement around an update on the
implementation of the Mass Casualty Commission Final Report,

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I do want to echo the sentiments
of Minister Fraser that the Government of

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Canada is working very closely with the
Government of Nova Scotia to respond to the

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wildfires. I've been in touch with
Premier Houston as well as my counterpartm Minister

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Brad John's on this. My colleague
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with the government there, and of
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of our colleagues from Nova Scotia,
no new runs with I beg your pardon

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and all Canadians our thoughts to go
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and we will be there for you, and as we have been there

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for Nova Scotians at this very difficult
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acknowledge that this is shortly after the
third anniversary of the awful and tragic shootings

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in Porta Peck in Nova Scotia.
In April of twenty twenty. We know

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that it's been a little more than
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passage of time, the trauma resulted. It wounds some plain to se others

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beneath the surface, both equally felt
by the community. Musabon cole chemin de

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la geison long a new devau faire
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k subi the gouvernat Canada face apart
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plugem. Earlier this year, the
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and I had the privilege of being
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Minister Fraser, Premier Houston, as
well as most especially the families who were

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impacted, as the commissioners set out
their findings. Their final report included numerous

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recommendations that would help to prevent and
respond to similar incidents in the future,

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touching on police reforms that would strengthen, among other things, training communications between

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police and government, emergency alert protocols, gun control laws, addressing domestic abuse

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and intimate partner violence, and relationship
with Indigenous communities. The report sets out

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a critical path forward to reform the
RCMP, reforms that are long overdue and

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reforms that I want to be clear
that I, in my capacity as the

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Minister of Public Safety, are committed
to seeing through. To coordinate this effort,

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the Commissioner also recommended that the Government
of Canada and Nova Scotia work together

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to establish an independent body to monitor
both progress in advancing the important findings as

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well as being transparent with Canadians as
we move forward. And today, in

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response to that recommendation, I am
very pleased to announce, along with my

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Nova Scotia counterpart, Minister Brad Johns, that we are creating the Progress Monitor

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Committee and that retired Justice Linda Lee
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with an initial one year mandated repance
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Brad John's canoe creon le comte de
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Olend serra presimite aveca manda initial DNA. One of Justice Oland's first responsibilities will

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be to consult with the representatives of
organizations implicated in the final report issued by

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the Mass Casualty Commission's recommendations and findings, as well as with other individuals,

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partners and organizations in order to identify
a list of proposed PMC members as we

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are calling it by this July,
so this will happen very very quickly.

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The founding chair will also ensure that
the work of the p MC, this

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is the body that Justice O.
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a trauma informed and victim centric approach. Demagne general le jujo Land joura roul

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de premier plan dona suivie de la
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le lacion on ascurent la liaisons province, lei de Gajean, on conccius chant

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de poste de guvenamand du Canada de
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commute pursu. While the events of
April twenty twenty are permanently etched in our

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collective memory, we have entered a
new phase in our recovery. It is

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now up to the governments of Canada
and Nova Scotia to take up the work

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outlined in the Commission's final report to
confront the tough questions that are posed in

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that final report, to work together
with law enforcement, particularly the RCMP,

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to work with the families, the
communities, the victims, and the survivors

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so that we can move forward.
The Progress Monitoring Committee and Justice Olent are

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well positioned to ensure accountability and transparency
on this front, and we very much

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welcome the next steps as well as
the results of their work going forward.

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To all of the victims and survivors, friends and families of the Port Topic

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and Troro shootings, and indeed all
Nova Scotians, your pain will never be

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forgotten. No one should have ever
had to endure the loss that you did

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during those awful two days in April
twenty twenty. We know that the wounds

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are still felt. But by making
this next important step and appointing Justice Oland

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to champion the work of this committee, we will be able to see through

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the final report, address its recommendations, reform the RCMP, restore trust,

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and build confidence of Canadians in our
law enforcement institutions so that this kind of

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tragedy never occurs again. Thank you, Mercy, David Johnston, Unique malgre

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de Letta Partisans, So mister Johnston
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SeTau and the de Seiance public asset
exact demands, Fair Basque AVEC and Canadian

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Le PROTECTIANPO those institute Chian democratique confiance. They can agaend to and have a

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public inquiry. This is not about
appeasement. This is about doing the right

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thing. And what we have done
since we have taken the reins of government

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is put in place the authorities that
are necessary to protect Canadians from foreign interference.

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And it is the Conservatives who are
engaging in the height of contradiction by

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you know, saying one thing and
frankly doing another. You know, they

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say they want to be tough on
foreign interference. They have voted against every

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single authority that our government, a
liberal government, has put into place.

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They say they want to lay to
bear truth and facts. Mister Pulav continues

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to refuse to take the briefing.
He should take the briefing. Conservatives,

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it's the block, it's the NDP. They all want a public inquiry.

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And to day the NDP has put
forward this motion calling for Johnson to step

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aside. So clearly there's unanimity there
that the opposition parties want a public inquiry

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and they don't think that Johnson is
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We're going to work with mister saying
he has said that he is prepared to

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take a briefing. We're going to
work with all parliamentarians. But the first

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step has to be to equip oneself
with the facts. And we have said

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repeatedly now for more than a week
that we are prepared to provide mister Poilev

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with the same access that mister Johnston
had to classified information. And for reasons

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to pass understanding, he refuses to
take the briefing. Stepping up protection OURCMP,

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protection from ministers and top bureaucrats,
I'm sorry, Is your government stopped

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stepping up our SMP, protection from
ministers and top bureaucrats in life and all

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the things. Yes, we've been
vigilant about that. We've put into place

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a number of new protections, including
providing panic buttons for parliamentarians, making sure

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that parliamentarians have a rapid response mechanism
with information and support. This is a

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requires a community of law enforcement branches, including right here on the Hill,

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working closely with the Sergeant at arms
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So we will continue to be vigilant
because quite frankly, the threat landscape as

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it pertains to not only elected parliamentarians, but the people that work in our

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constituency offices, the people that work
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say disproportionately women, disproportionately racialized Canadians, disproportionately Indigenous peoples. They are the

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ones who have to be at the
center of our work on this and we

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will continue to add moret commission here
you all. At the same time,

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the RCMP called for the fast Catholication, called for sweeping reforms to the RCMP

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overhauling, taking a new look at
contract policing, changing depot training and completely

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eliminating it. Are you committing now
to taking those steps or only to think

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about taking those steps. No,
we're going to take the steps, and

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in my job as Minister of Public
Safety, I am driving those reforms.

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We have made progress on a number
of but what the Mass Casualty Commission final

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report makes abundantly clear is that there
is still a long way to go on

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each of the critical areas that you
have identified. What we have done today

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is put in place a respected retired
jurist in Justice Oland, who herself is

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a resident of Nova Scotia, with
deep community roots, with an understanding of

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how these reforms can be taken from
what are words on a page and translated

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into a reality that will mend trust
and reform the RCMP is how we can

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build confidence. Just to be clear
here, to be clear, I want

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to make sure that we do that
work with Justice Oland and the other members

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of that committee who will who will
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what I have said is that this
is a report that is the product of

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many, many months of work,
in fact more than a couple of years,

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who have heard from a wide range
of expert witnesses. And the fact

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is is that we do have to
take a hard look at how it is

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that new members of the RCMP are
being trained. We've got to take a

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look at the way in which we
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mean, we have here a Homi
Batista and we had a very good conversation

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within the last couple of months in
Escazzoni about how that trust has to be

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not only restored but strengthened. Some
of the recommendations touch on that, particularly

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around training, and I'm going to
keep a very open mind about what recommendations

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will be implemented, implemented with the
guidance and the advice of a very respected

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former jurist in justice and three recommendations, those that fall to you, those

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that fall to the federal government.
Are you saying yes, we're going to

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implement all of those. Are there
some that you know that you cannot cross

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that line that you will not be
able to implement. I'm not striking out

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the possibility of excluding any of them, but i do think it is important

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to underline that we have already moved
on a number of concrete recommendations. Let's

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take one, very practical one,
emergency responses. As painful as it was

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over those two days, we have
taken some lessons and the RCMP are making

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progress in better leveraging social media,
being public about where emergencies manifest so that

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we can keep Canadians informed about how
to take practical steps to protect themselves.

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There are other recommendations that are already
being implemented, and we're going to have

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more of a concrete update in the
very short term about that. But I'm

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not saying no to any recommendations.
I think it's the opposite. I think

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we have to be as open to
implementing as many of these recommendations as we

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possibly can, as quickly as we
can. And I've had a very direct

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conversation with Commissioner Juham, who,
as you know, just completed the changing

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of the Guard, and I know
that he is committed to seeing this work

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through as well. Now, you're
not announcing anything today, anything concrete or

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specific that would have stopped Gabriel Workman
from going on a shooting spree. There's

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nothing specific announcing today. Well,
that's actually not correct. The announcement of

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Justice Oland is a significant step because
she will be part of the implementation and

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accountability body that will help to ensure
the follow through on the one hundred and

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thirty recommendations. But let me come
back to some of the other substantive progress

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that we have made. In addition
to the emergency alerting improvements that the RCMP

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have made. Recommendation seepoint to one
of the final report suggested that the government

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strengthened the national ban against AR fifteen
assault style firearms. We have acted on

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that recommendation by including a new technical
definition which just recently passed in this House

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by a voting margin of two to
one. So from where we were from

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a few months ago to where we
are now is a significant stride forward in

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putting in place stronger gun controls that
will help to reduce thought likelihood and the

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risk of another mass shooting strategy.
And that is the fundamental differ between what

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Canadians get with a liberal government who
sees the value of putting in place strong

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gun controls, and what you get
with mister Polev's conservatives who would repeal all

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of this legislation and make air fifteen
style fire arms legal again. There are

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some aspects of RCMP management culture that
are so bad you can't wait for more

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reports. It has to be dealt
with, probably by September. Are you

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going to be able to meet that
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that is a very fair question than
I am very cognizant to the fact that

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there are numerous recommendations that have recommended
a path forward to reform the RCMP,

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and that is why it is so
vital that we put in place just as

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Oland and other members of the community
and experts to follow through on the recommendations.

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The RCMP is at a crossroads,
and what is important is that to

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mend trust, we have to implement
these recommendations. And now the Government of

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Canada is acting decisively and concretely already, and I have given two very specific

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examples in ways that will reduce the
possibility of another mass shooting. But we

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need to work closely with the RCMP, We need to work closely with the

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government of Nova Scotia. We need
to work very closely with the families who

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are at the very center of this
work, so that we can again men

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to trust and build a confidence of
Cannadians longer that you take to first of

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all, decide what recommendations you're taking
and then get into the process of doing

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them. That Canadians are not vulnerable
to another mass casualty situation. We have

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a tragedy, we have recommendations,
and then there's a long bureaucratic process before

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anything really gets decided. What is
going to be different in this case,

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Well, Rachel, we've already acted
on two very critical recommendations, so that

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shows that to decide on which other
ones you will vot do that shows our

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government's commitment to take action, even
before we set up this committee. But

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the reason why we are making this
announcement today is because the Mass Casualty Commission

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had process very much a part of
the strategy to follow through with these recommendations.

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And so by appointing Justice Oland,
and by quickly populating the rest of

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that committee, we're going to be
able to accelerate the progress that I think

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that your questions our life. I
think we do it. I'm sorry,

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what are we supposed to take from
you waiting until the deadline day to make

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this announcement. Well, first,
we wanted to be sure that we got

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the selection right, and there were
very important conversations that we had with the

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government of Nova Scotia. I also
think, in fairness to the families,

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we wanted to socialize some of the
options that we had, including Justice Oland.

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As I said, she is herself
a Nova Scotia resident. She is

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a respected jurist. She sat on
the Nova Scotia Supreme Court, she sat

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on the Nova Scotia Court of Appeal, and so bringing the community along was

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part of the reason why we had
to take the time to get this right.

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But now that we have appointed her
as a chair, and I can

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assure you as you heard in my
remarks that we are going to be filling

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other members on that committee very quickly
by July that we'll be able to make

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even a more accelerated progress on all
the recommendations already. Mike Mike Allie asked

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the question about whether or not you're
going to implement those our CEMP reforms we

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discussed, and it kind of sounds
like you were deferring to this new justice

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you've appointed. Are you going to
close a depot? Are you going to

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take those actions or are you going
to wait until she's appointed and defer to

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whatever decision she makes. That's not
really her job. It sounds like it's

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about implementing them. So can we
get a firm commitment that everything the report

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he's recommended it's going to get done
even as you pose that question with its

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urgency, And I understand why it's
such a significant decision, because for the

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benefit of those who don't know,
a depot is the main recruitment and training

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academy before you become a Mountie.
It is a significant decision. And what

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the final report maps out is the
fundamental principles in building blocks by which we

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can take a more evidence and research
based approach to modernizing that training, and

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in order to do that, you
have to work with various communities, including

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the First Nations and indigenous communities that
are in Nova Scotia, that are right

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across the land. And so one
of the touchstones has to be proper consultation

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as we make the significant reforms that
are necessary to the RCMP. But i

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am absolutely committed to seeing it through
and I'm absolutely committed to moving as quickly

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as we possibly can, but in
the right way. Appeals Court that the

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government does not have to repatriate for
Canadian men who are accused of being part

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of ISIS. As the government see
this decision from the court as a win.

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What is your reaction to this,
because you've been challenging this well.

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Obviously the decision will be absorbed by
the government. Our priority, first and

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foremost is to make sure that we
safeguard the country and our orders from any

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potential terrorist activity. And as we
said, to anybody who may have been

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traveling abroad for terrorist purposes that is
against the law, there will be consequences

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for that. At the same time, we are also have also undertaken a

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process and a framework by which there
can be decisions taken around repatriation, but

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it has to be done in accords
with the principal of law and we'll have

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more to say as we observe about
decision. Thank you very much. Good

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morning, Bojoda, Tush, Charley
Angus. What cha quay we're on here

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on the unseated territory of the gon
Quin Nation. I'm here this morning with

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Gil McGowan of the Alberta Federation of
Labor. Over the last year we have

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been working closely with the union movement
across Canada, and particularly with the energy

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workers in the West on pushing this
government to get serious about making commitments in

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a clean tech future. Alberta energy
workers have the skills and then know how

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to make this happen and they want
to be at the table. According to

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the International Energy Agency, for the
first time, clean tech investments are almost

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double what it is in oil and
gas. If Canada doesn't start to make

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a serious commitment to move forward,
we are going to be left with stranded

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assets and communities left out. The
New York Times this morning is reporting an

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onprecedented jump in clean tech energy and
battery plant production within nine months of Joe

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Biden's Inflation Reduction Act coming into law, and Canada risks being left behind unless

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we move decisively. In the recent
federal budget, we did see some very

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impressive promises for clean tech, but
those promises are just words unless there's the

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legislative tools to ensure that this is
a worker focused transformation that is not going

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to leave communities behind. We are
calling for a number of elements that have

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to be in this legislation. The
Sustainable Jobs Council must include representation from labor.

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Labor has to be at the table. We want clear definition of the

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role, mandate reporting requirements of the
Sustainable Job Secretariat. It's a great sounding

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word. What is it and how
do we ensure that investments that are being

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offered will come with the strings attached
that will have involvement from labor, from

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indigenous communities and from the regions of
Canada to make sure that we benefit and

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that the expertise that is being brought
forward through the Energy workers are able to

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help direct this transformation of the global
economy. We have one chance to do

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this right and we cannot fail.
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so the sees a laquasion suis the
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travail de Alberta, damon de meton
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I'll turn it over to gil mcgallan. Thanks Charlie, and thanks for joining

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us this morning. On Monday,
we narrowly elected or reelected climate change denying

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government in Alberta. This isn't just
bad news for the environment. It's also

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bad news for the Alberta economy and
for Alberta workers. It's bad news for

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workers and the economy because change is
coming, whether we like it or not.

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We can either be prepared for that
change or we can be run over

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by it. The UCP, under
our Premier Daniel Smith, unfortunately, is

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choosing the latter. They're choosing to
stick their heads in the sand. They're

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choosing denial over preparation. They're choosing
to hold our province back while the world

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moves forward, and all Albertans,
including Alberta workers, will pay a price.

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But it doesn't have to be that
way. The world is in the

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early stages of what can only be
described as the biggest economic paradigm shift since

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the Industrial Revolution. That shift is
happening because citizens, businesses, and governments

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around the world are increasingly recognizing that
climate change is an existential threat to humanity.

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This realization is driving action. The
vast majority of governments on the planet

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have committed to move towards a net
zero economy. An industry is following suit

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with their investment decisions. Last summer, the Biden administration turbos charge this process

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by embracing a nationwide industrial policy aimed
at pivoting the American economy towards new opportunities

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in the net zero economy. The
keyword for US is opportunities. The unfolding

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global energy transition has huge implications for
oil and gas producing jurisdictions like my home

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province of Alberta, but it also
presents unprecedented opportunities for investment, job creation,

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and continued prosperity. That's why the
labor movement in Alberta, representing workers

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in both oil and gas, oil
and gas related construction and manufacturing, came

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together last fall to produce a blueprint
for an alternative economy in Alberta. We

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called it skating to where the Puck
is Going, and it outlined six priorities

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for changing the Alberta economy and pivoting
towards continued prosperity in a changing world.

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First, in that report, we
told anyone who would listening listen, including

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our provincial government and the federal government, that in this unfolding energy transition,

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the priority has to be jobs,
not just labor market adjustment for people who

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might lose their jobs in this transition, but the creation of good jobs that

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will sustain families and communities. Second, we said that we had to put

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a priority on embracing the idea of
industrial policy because change will not come just

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by itself. It has to be
intentional, and that intention has to be

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embraced and supported by governments. Here
in Canada, at both the federal and

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provincial level. Third, we said, our governments and our industry have to

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put their money where their mouth is. Fourth, we said that when it

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comes to providing assistance and incentives for
industry to make this transition, governments have

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to attach strings to the money that
they provide as incentives. And fifth,

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we said that this has to be
a whole economy and whole a government effort,

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which is an important point because,
as we discovered with dealing with bureaucracy

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in Alberta and increasingly with our experiences
with bureaucracy and government, there are too

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many silos that have to be broken
down in order to make the change that

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needs to happen at the scale and
the speed that it has to happen.

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And sixth and finally, we said
that in order for the change that we're

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proposing to make sure that it improves
lives for everyone, workers have to be

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at the table, not just as
an afterthought. We have to be there

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from the beginning. We have to
participate in decision making to make sure that

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the changes don't just help business,
but they actually helped the working people who

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are going to be at the front
of this change. This morning, I

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just want to say that my interactions
on behalf of our workers in Alberta have

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been constructive. With the federal government. Over the last year and a half.

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We've had very productive discussions with key
ministers, including Minister Wilkinson in Natural

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Resources, Minister o'reagan in Labor,
and also Minister Freeland, Deputy Prime Minister

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and Minister of Finance. They have
met with us in good faith. They

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have taken our recommendations seriously, and
I'm very pleased to say that a lot

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of the work that we set out
to do with the federal government has been

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done. Specifically, when we came
to them last year and said that we

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needed the government to embrace the idea
of transition with a focus on jobs as

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opposed to labor market adjustment, they
accepted that recommendation. So their priority is

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creating new jobs and seizing new opportunities
to create new prosperity as opposed to just

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try pick up the pieces as change
unfolds. Second, they embraced our notion

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that we should be embracing industrial policy
as the goal to help facilitate this change.

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And then third, we asked that
they put their money where their mouth

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is and that's what we saw in
the full economic statement and in the recent

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budget they earmarked fifteen billion dollars for
incentives over the next five years that will

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help diversify the Canadian economy, especially
the provincial economy in Alberta, and that

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money is going to escalate to about
eighty billion dollars over ten years. What

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we asked them to do from the
unions in Alberta representing workers in oil and

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gas, oil and gas related construction, and oil and gas manufacturing, we

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said that we had to match the
American government's ambition in terms of size and

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scale of their incentives, and with
what was announced in the federal budget,

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we feel satisfied that they've they've done
that. The fourth thing that they've done

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in good faith is listened to our
suggestions on attaching strings to that money.

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Specifically, in order for companies to
benefit from the full amount of the incentives,

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they have to they've agreed to what
we call labor conditions, so they

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in order to get the full measure
of the incentives, they have to pay

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a prevailing wage, which we're working
with the federal government and good faith on

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to define what are prevailing wage is
and they also made a big commitment to

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make sure that we're training apprentices for
the future of our trades. The work

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that's yet to be done, and
that's why I'm in Ottawa today has to

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do with the sustainable Jobs legislation that
the federal government has promised and which we

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are told will be introduced sometime in
the next couple of weeks. We want

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we've got the political commitment, we've
got money on the table. Now we

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need a legislative framework to make sure
that the job actually gets done. And

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yesterday and today I've been meeting with
senior bureaucrats and with political actors in the

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federal government to talk about what we
in the Alberta labor movement would like to

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see in the Sustainable Jobs legislation,
and basically that what we're hoping is to

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see the remainder of our priorities.
We've checked off a number of our priorities

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on our list, but what hasn't
yet been seen is a framework that will

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facilitate a whole government effort to support
investment and job creation in these new opportunities.

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So we need legislation that will make
sure that we can break down these

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barriers between departments to make sure that
ideas and money are flowing to where they

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need to go. And then we
also need a labor seat at the table.

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So we need to create a framework
for decision making to make sure that

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that this work gets done. And
we've made it clear that this transition can

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only happen with working people, especially
workers in the most affected sectors, participating

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in the decision making process, and
that means from the from the from the

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get go, not as an afterthought
after decisions have already been made. As

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I said, we're very pleased with
the discussions that we've had so far.

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The federal government is coming to meet
to the table, to meet with us

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in goodwill, and we're confident that
the legislation, when it's introduced, will

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be a big step towards the direction
that we hope to see this to see

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our country moving in terms of seizing
the opportunities that are presenting themselves in the

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as we pivot towards a net zero
economy. I'm going to wrap up this

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morning by telling you what I'm worried
about with the reelection of a UCP government

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in Alberta. What I'm as as
a representative for working people in our province,

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including people in oil and gas,
oil and gas related construction, and

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oil and gas related manufacturing. I'm
frankly terrified that our provincial government will make

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it more difficult for us to seize
the opportunities that are in front of us

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in the unfolding global economy. And
I'm also worried that they will hold us

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back so that we fail to seize
the opportunities that are in front of us.

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And I say that because the UCP
over last three years, and especially

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in the lead up to our recent
provincial election, has chosen to look at

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the issue of the global energy transition
not as an issue about defending the public

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interest, but through a political lens, and they've tried to politicize a discussion

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that really should be about the public
interests. So instead of pairing our economy

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and supporting incentives that will support job
creation and allow us to prosper in a

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changing world, they've chosen to play
politics. And one of the reasons I've

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flown here the day after our provincial
election is because Alberta needs to engage with

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all partners at all levels, including
the federal government, including business, to

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make sure that we don't get left
behind as the as the global economy transforms.

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As I've said many times, this
change is happening whether we like it

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or not. We can choose to
prepare for it and prosper or we can

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stick our heads in the stand and
left behind and be left behind, you

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know. And in order to make
sure that that doesn't happen. In order

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to ensure that we actually seize these
opportunities for prosperity that are in front of

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us, our provincial government has to
engage with all the relevant partners. That

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includes the government, And so if
they're not going to do that important work,

607
01:01:05.119 --> 01:01:08.559
then that will fall to other Alburtons, including those of us in labor,

608
01:01:08.679 --> 01:01:13.960
those of us in our counterparts in
the business in Alberta. Um,

609
01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:17.480
we'll have to have the conversations that
our provincial government should be having. And

610
01:01:17.599 --> 01:01:22.400
if that's not my first preference,
but I know that there are many Alburtans

611
01:01:22.480 --> 01:01:28.440
of goodwill in the labor movement,
in the business community who will be engaging

612
01:01:29.199 --> 01:01:32.800
with the federal government on these important
discussions even if our provincial government refuses to.

613
01:01:34.360 --> 01:01:37.440
So with that, I'll just wrap
up and I'd be happy to answer

614
01:01:37.480 --> 01:01:44.800
any questions that you might have just
this made a stupid question, but your

615
01:01:44.840 --> 01:01:47.000
time with the whole of government approach
breaking down barriers, this is one of

616
01:01:47.039 --> 01:01:51.159
the big things you want to see
in the legislation. Can you just explain,

617
01:01:51.239 --> 01:01:53.440
like I'm five of what you're talking
about, what is this, what's

618
01:01:53.480 --> 01:01:58.559
wrong with the sort of the system
now around this, and exactly what needs

619
01:01:58.599 --> 01:02:02.679
to change is It's maybe maybe a
stupid question, but just just a question.

620
01:02:02.960 --> 01:02:07.400
UM, well, I'm gonna ask
to us in two ways. First,

621
01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:12.039
I'm going to refer to some of
the experience that we had under the

622
01:02:12.320 --> 01:02:16.320
previous Alberta government. Um. You
know, between twenty fifteen and twenty nineteen,

623
01:02:16.880 --> 01:02:21.920
UH, the new Democrats under PIU
Premier Rachel Notley were in charge in

624
01:02:22.000 --> 01:02:28.559
Alberta, and UH they responded to
some of the concerns that we had raised

625
01:02:28.719 --> 01:02:37.239
in the labor movement about diversification and
UH support for workers who are being who

626
01:02:37.280 --> 01:02:39.960
are losing their jobs as a result
of the coal phase out and UH,

627
01:02:40.320 --> 01:02:45.639
and we became it became very clear
to us that in order to get the

628
01:02:45.719 --> 01:02:49.920
kind of support that we needed from
the provincial government at the time, we

629
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had to be talking to the right
people. So when the when they announced

630
01:02:53.440 --> 01:02:58.320
the cole phase out, it was
under the Environment Department, and uh,

631
01:02:58.960 --> 01:03:01.719
you know, jobs were being phased
out, and those a lot of those

632
01:03:01.800 --> 01:03:07.480
people were our members, and uh
we ended up talking with people in the

633
01:03:07.559 --> 01:03:13.079
Environment Department who knew nothing about labor
policy, and so it became very clear

634
01:03:13.119 --> 01:03:15.440
to us that when dealing with government, you got to talk to the right

635
01:03:15.519 --> 01:03:21.280
people for the challenge at hand,
right And so, uh you know,

636
01:03:21.880 --> 01:03:24.760
that's why I say you got to
break down barriers between departments. Uh,

637
01:03:24.920 --> 01:03:29.920
and that and that's that that's true
at the federal level as well. So,

638
01:03:30.400 --> 01:03:35.960
um, you know, right now
the discussions on the sustainable Jobs legislation

639
01:03:36.000 --> 01:03:42.480
are being led by the Natural Resources
Minister, which is fine, but his

640
01:03:42.840 --> 01:03:49.559
department is not specialist in many of
the other areas that we feel very strongly

641
01:03:50.079 --> 01:03:52.599
need to be part of the discussion. So, for example, the Labor

642
01:03:52.719 --> 01:04:00.760
Department has to be involved in the
discussion because of the responsibility for labor markets.

643
01:04:00.679 --> 01:04:06.360
The Department of Employment and Skills Development
has to be involved because of their

644
01:04:06.719 --> 01:04:14.480
responsibility for training, and then departments
like industry have to be involved. Certainly,

645
01:04:14.519 --> 01:04:16.679
the Finance Department needs to be involved. So that's why I say and

646
01:04:17.239 --> 01:04:21.079
traditionally, governments, whether it's provincial
federal level, don't have a great track

647
01:04:21.119 --> 01:04:26.039
record of all these talking across silos. And that that's why some kind of

648
01:04:26.239 --> 01:04:30.599
framework needs to be established in this
legislation. I think there's an opportunity to

649
01:04:30.719 --> 01:04:36.239
do this with this legislation, to
create a framework that will facilitate the discussions

650
01:04:36.280 --> 01:04:42.000
that need to happen between uh,
these different departments. And I don't want

651
01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:45.119
to cast dispersions. You know,
the people who work in each of these

652
01:04:45.159 --> 01:04:50.360
departments do great work. But because
we're talking about such a big change over

653
01:04:50.519 --> 01:04:55.519
such a short period of time,
and we're talking about you know, they

654
01:04:55.599 --> 01:05:00.320
need to seize these opportunities and not
be left behind. We can't let uh

655
01:05:00.440 --> 01:05:04.119
these silos and the bureaucracy stand in
the way of us doing what needs to

656
01:05:04.159 --> 01:05:08.400
be done. So that's why I'm
hoping that this legislation will will create a

657
01:05:08.480 --> 01:05:13.079
framework that will allow the kind of
uh, you know, UH communication,

658
01:05:13.880 --> 01:05:19.239
cross pollenization and and and UH and
collaboration that's necessary between these different departments.

659
01:05:20.280 --> 01:05:24.480
So I think I think they I
think they get it. And you know,

660
01:05:24.599 --> 01:05:30.800
like in the conversations that I've been
having UH with people from natural resources,

661
01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:38.119
labor, finance industry. I think
they understand that the status quo and

662
01:05:38.480 --> 01:05:44.159
the silos that exist in um uh, you know, in and between the

663
01:05:44.320 --> 01:05:48.119
departments UH, there needs to be
something done to be break to break down

664
01:05:48.199 --> 01:05:54.199
those barriers in order for us to
adequately prepare for the challenges in front of

665
01:05:54.280 --> 01:05:59.639
us. Recently, we've heard it
was more about used to in the Maritimes

666
01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:05.079
with tidal energy projects, but there
were some concerns that federal regulations and and

667
01:06:05.159 --> 01:06:13.719
sort of the system of approving certain
projects was too onerous for the seize the

668
01:06:13.800 --> 01:06:16.800
moment speed imperatives that you're talking about. Ye, do feel like in this

669
01:06:16.920 --> 01:06:20.719
area it's it's a similar thing that
the culture of government, and it's maybe

670
01:06:20.760 --> 01:06:26.079
where you're talking about now that the
pace at which they make decisions is not

671
01:06:27.599 --> 01:06:30.960
appropriate for the task at hand or
the climate crisis at hand and what needs

672
01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:34.039
to happen. Yeah, it's interesting
that you asked that question, because like

673
01:06:35.599 --> 01:06:42.079
during those four years when the new
Democrats were in power in Alberta between twenty

674
01:06:42.119 --> 01:06:45.480
fifteen and twenty nineteen, one of
the things that Premier Notly did at the

675
01:06:45.559 --> 01:06:53.119
time was established what they called the
energy Diversification Advisory Committee, which was a

676
01:06:54.960 --> 01:07:00.000
joint labor business advisory committee that put
together recommendations about diverse sification in the Alberta

677
01:07:00.039 --> 01:07:05.760
economy. I was actually chosen as
the labor co chair and there was another

678
01:07:05.840 --> 01:07:11.639
coach chair from business. And in
our final report, one of the things

679
01:07:11.840 --> 01:07:17.960
that that we suggested was an effort
to uh speed the regulatory approval process for

680
01:07:18.480 --> 01:07:24.960
diversification projects. So that's something that
uh you've heard from the business community.

681
01:07:25.199 --> 01:07:30.039
It's something that we in labor support. There are huge opportunities that that are

682
01:07:30.079 --> 01:07:33.639
out there. Um, but we
are competing with other jurisdictions, uh,

683
01:07:34.119 --> 01:07:38.679
including the United States south of the
border. So if we don't put money

684
01:07:38.719 --> 01:07:43.960
on the table, if we don't
uh speed the regulatory process uh for for

685
01:07:44.079 --> 01:07:46.800
projects that uh you know can create
jobs and get us to where we want

686
01:07:46.840 --> 01:07:51.159
to go and to go in terms
of diversification, UM, you know,

687
01:07:51.599 --> 01:07:57.920
we'll fall behind, right so uh
so you know, so it makes I

688
01:07:57.920 --> 01:08:00.760
don't know if it sounds like it's
a surprise from the President of the Alberta

689
01:08:00.760 --> 01:08:06.159
Federation of Labor, but on this
issue about speeding the regulatory process, we

690
01:08:06.280 --> 01:08:11.719
agree with our counterparts in business.
In fact, one of the things that

691
01:08:11.800 --> 01:08:15.239
I repeat over and over again when
I'm meeting with government officials, both of

692
01:08:15.279 --> 01:08:20.600
the provincial and federal level, is
that when it comes to diversification in the

693
01:08:20.680 --> 01:08:26.720
Alberta economy, in order to pivot
and seize opportunities in the net zero economy,

694
01:08:27.319 --> 01:08:30.039
the labor movement in our provinces is
in many respects on the same page

695
01:08:30.199 --> 01:08:35.039
as the business community. And in
my remarks I mentioned that we had come

696
01:08:35.119 --> 01:08:42.960
together through the Federation of Labor with
our energy, construction and manufacturing unions to

697
01:08:43.119 --> 01:08:45.319
produce an economic blueprint. We called
it skating to where the puck is going,

698
01:08:45.399 --> 01:08:50.479
borrowing that famous phrase from Wayne Gretzky, and we released that last fall.

699
01:08:51.279 --> 01:08:56.279
But almost at the same time,
similar reports were being released by the

700
01:08:56.359 --> 01:09:00.199
Calgary Chamber of Commerce, the Business
Council of Alberta, and in the broad

701
01:09:00.279 --> 01:09:05.840
strokes they were very similar. So
even though we've just seen the reelection of

702
01:09:05.920 --> 01:09:13.279
a government that is essentially a climate
denying government, a government that refuses to

703
01:09:13.560 --> 01:09:18.600
have serious conversations about diversification um and
a government that continues to stick its head

704
01:09:18.640 --> 01:09:24.279
into sand in terms of seizing these
opportunities for investment and job creation in the

705
01:09:24.359 --> 01:09:28.079
new economy. Uh. You know, when people think of Alberta, they

706
01:09:28.119 --> 01:09:32.359
think of Daniel Smith and the UCP
and their denialism. But the reality is

707
01:09:32.439 --> 01:09:40.560
that in Alberta right now, there's
this amazing consensus that's being that that's being

708
01:09:40.600 --> 01:09:45.119
reached outside of the political sphere by
people in business, people in labor,

709
01:09:45.600 --> 01:09:49.000
people in the broader community. We
understand that change is coming, uh,

710
01:09:49.239 --> 01:09:53.159
and that we need to prepare for
it or run the risk of being left

711
01:09:53.199 --> 01:09:58.359
behind. That's that's That's what I'm
hearing from my counterparts in unions and Alberta's

712
01:09:58.399 --> 01:10:03.479
here. It's what I'm hearing from
business organizations, not incidentally including the big

713
01:10:03.520 --> 01:10:10.239
oil sounds companies represented through organizations like
the Pathways Alliance. You know, I

714
01:10:10.319 --> 01:10:15.479
guess that's one of the things I
would encourage Canadians to understand is that when

715
01:10:15.520 --> 01:10:21.039
it comes to this unfolding global energy
transition and the opportunities it presents, our

716
01:10:21.119 --> 01:10:28.880
currently reelected UCP government is not actually
representative of all Alburtons. They've chosen to

717
01:10:28.960 --> 01:10:34.319
politicize these issues and demonize anyone who
talks about preparing for transition. But the

718
01:10:34.399 --> 01:10:40.560
reality is that most Alburtons are way
ahead of our government on these important issues.

719
01:10:42.560 --> 01:10:45.079
I've got a question for both of
you, if that's all right,

720
01:10:45.600 --> 01:10:47.640
Just going back a bit to the
budget twenty twenty three, we're talking about

721
01:10:47.760 --> 01:10:53.800
the labor requirements that were attached to
those investment in tax credits. This is

722
01:10:53.880 --> 01:10:56.560
my read, Correct me if I'm
wrong, But I think that would only

723
01:10:56.600 --> 01:11:02.239
apply to you the construction phase,
not necessarily ongoing manufacturing and whatnot. How

724
01:11:02.840 --> 01:11:06.840
I don't know, I guess how
do you assess the fact that that wasn't

725
01:11:08.239 --> 01:11:12.319
part of the package? Like was
that a big loss to you know,

726
01:11:12.479 --> 01:11:16.159
unions and the NDP both, How
do you and like where do we go

727
01:11:16.279 --> 01:11:23.439
from there in terms of maybe attaching
more strings to future UH programs outside of

728
01:11:23.600 --> 01:11:27.640
the just transition legislation or sustainable drums? Yeah, yeah, that that that's

729
01:11:27.680 --> 01:11:32.000
a really important question. And um, and it is an issue that we

730
01:11:32.520 --> 01:11:39.600
raised quite vigorously with the federal government. And and and maybe just for the

731
01:11:39.680 --> 01:11:44.640
benefit of those who are watching,
um, when when the when the federal

732
01:11:45.079 --> 01:11:49.760
liberals, uh, let me put
when when the federal government introduced the budget

733
01:11:50.039 --> 01:11:57.000
for twenty twenty three last year,
they made a commitment to fifteen billion dollars

734
01:11:57.520 --> 01:12:05.319
in incentives to support in investment in
clean tech hydrogen carbon capture and sequestration,

735
01:12:05.880 --> 01:12:13.800
and they attach what they described as
labor conditions to all of those investment incentives.

736
01:12:13.840 --> 01:12:17.439
And so in order to get the
full benefit of those incentives, companies

737
01:12:17.479 --> 01:12:21.680
would have to commit to paying a
prevailing wage, which is you know,

738
01:12:21.800 --> 01:12:26.720
still being defined, and so we're
working hard with finance officials to get a

739
01:12:26.880 --> 01:12:30.239
definition of prevailing wage that actually you
know, pulls as many people up as

740
01:12:30.319 --> 01:12:35.319
possible. And then they also have
in order to qualify for the full benefit

741
01:12:35.399 --> 01:12:40.520
of the incentives, they have to
commit to training the next generation of trades

742
01:12:40.560 --> 01:12:44.720
people, which is important because a
lot of big construction companies, especially the

743
01:12:44.800 --> 01:12:48.680
non union companies, do not actually
take on apprentices. They choose instead to

744
01:12:48.840 --> 01:12:54.159
poach from companies that do, who
in most cases are unionized, and so

745
01:12:54.279 --> 01:12:58.680
that puts the unionized companies at a
disadvantage even though they play us at this

746
01:12:59.359 --> 01:13:02.279
usually important role in terms of training
the next generation. Uh. So we

747
01:13:02.399 --> 01:13:05.520
in the labor movement, we lobbied
for those labor conditions, we got them,

748
01:13:06.039 --> 01:13:09.920
uh, and we're very pleased.
But as you said in your question,

749
01:13:10.479 --> 01:13:14.520
uh, the way that they've been
designed is that the labor conditions only

750
01:13:14.560 --> 01:13:18.279
apply to the construction phase of these
new projects, uh, and not the

751
01:13:18.399 --> 01:13:26.760
ongoing operation of these facilities. And
so what we said during the lead up

752
01:13:26.800 --> 01:13:30.439
to the province to the federal the
federal budget was that we wanted to see

753
01:13:30.760 --> 01:13:39.199
similar conditions attached to all phases of
these projects, including once they went into

754
01:13:39.239 --> 01:13:43.960
operations. So whether it's you know, like a manufacturing facility or you know,

755
01:13:44.199 --> 01:13:46.760
or an oil and gas facility.
Uh. We you know, we

756
01:13:47.000 --> 01:13:51.640
we said that there should be conditions
if they're going to get continued ongoing public

757
01:13:51.720 --> 01:13:57.680
support that would require that they pay
a prevailing wage higher apprentices because this is

758
01:13:57.760 --> 01:14:00.199
not just an issue for the construction
sector. So um, we were disappointed.

759
01:14:00.760 --> 01:14:06.720
Um that uh that that that they
didn't extend the labor conditions uh beyond

760
01:14:06.760 --> 01:14:12.479
the construction sector. Um. But
this is still a live issue. And

761
01:14:12.640 --> 01:14:15.760
so we in a labor movement,
through groups like the Alberta Federation of Labor,

762
01:14:15.840 --> 01:14:20.039
through our individual unions, through the
Canadian Labor Congress, we're still bringing

763
01:14:20.680 --> 01:14:26.199
this this conversation to the federal government. Uh. They haven't said no,

764
01:14:26.960 --> 01:14:30.479
but they haven't said yes. Uh
but uh, well, but they they're

765
01:14:30.520 --> 01:14:34.239
still meeting with us to have these
discussions. So we're hoping that we'll find

766
01:14:34.279 --> 01:14:41.039
a way to make sure that every
company that gets public money to incent their

767
01:14:41.079 --> 01:14:45.239
projects, uh will be required to
you know, to pay their their workers

768
01:14:46.279 --> 01:14:50.960
a decent wage or prevailing wage,
that they'll have you know, requirements on

769
01:14:51.239 --> 01:14:56.960
on training, and that these requirements
will go beyond construction that will apply,

770
01:14:57.560 --> 01:15:01.560
uh, you know, to to
the companies you know, who are getting

771
01:15:01.600 --> 01:15:09.239
these incentives, regardless of what stage
of development they're at. The issue of

772
01:15:11.119 --> 01:15:15.840
labor commitments, apprenticeship commitments goes to
the very heart of the negotiations that began

773
01:15:16.560 --> 01:15:19.840
on the Sack agreement between Liberals and
the Democrats, because we did point out

774
01:15:19.840 --> 01:15:23.640
to the government, you know,
the Prime Minister goes to COP twenty six,

775
01:15:24.079 --> 01:15:28.199
makes all these big announcements in Canada, misses every single climate target they've

776
01:15:28.239 --> 01:15:30.319
ever made. Joe Biden goes to
Cop twenty six and says he's going to

777
01:15:30.359 --> 01:15:33.800
create a new economy based on good
paying union jobs. And we said to

778
01:15:33.840 --> 01:15:36.560
the Liberals, we never heard that
language from you guys. We've never heard

779
01:15:36.840 --> 01:15:43.680
that you are committed not just to
meeting your global targets, but that you're

780
01:15:44.039 --> 01:15:47.560
looking to reassure Canadians that they are
going to be part of a new economy,

781
01:15:48.079 --> 01:15:54.760
and that industrial policy vision was a
huge hurdle. I mean, I'm

782
01:15:54.800 --> 01:15:58.319
going to say our liberal friends are
way outside their comfort zone on this,

783
01:15:59.279 --> 01:16:01.399
and we're going to get them a
little further outside their comfort zone because this

784
01:16:01.560 --> 01:16:06.880
is really important stuff. So when
we heard that they were going to put

785
01:16:08.720 --> 01:16:11.880
labor conditions, that was really good. When they said they were going to

786
01:16:11.960 --> 01:16:15.960
put apprenticeships, that was also a
good signal. But this is not over.

787
01:16:15.399 --> 01:16:20.760
This is why when we set up
the Secretariat and the Job's Partnership Council,

788
01:16:20.880 --> 01:16:25.439
labor has to be at the table
so that we know that this isn't

789
01:16:25.439 --> 01:16:30.800
just nice words that ends up getting
you know, projects offshored. This is

790
01:16:30.119 --> 01:16:33.560
words that are put into reality,
and that reality is about creating a new

791
01:16:33.680 --> 01:16:39.279
energy economy where families are going to
be able to know that there's a take

792
01:16:39.359 --> 01:16:42.159
home pay at the end of the
day, that there's going to be apprenticeships,

793
01:16:42.199 --> 01:16:45.039
that there's a better future for our
communities. That's what the government has

794
01:16:45.119 --> 01:16:48.359
to reassure Canadian communities, regions and
workers for. So yeah, this Gill

795
01:16:48.439 --> 01:16:53.479
says, this fight's far from done. We will say what we've got is

796
01:16:53.479 --> 01:16:56.079
we've got a flag in the field. Now we've got to get we got

797
01:16:56.159 --> 01:17:01.439
to get to the pass the finish
line. And what are the major sticking

798
01:17:01.520 --> 01:17:05.600
points in those discussions, Because you
know, I understand getting the construction requirements

799
01:17:05.640 --> 01:17:10.399
in first, that's going to be
what's coming up first. I guess,

800
01:17:10.520 --> 01:17:16.359
Yeah, where's the resistance coming from
during those talks? I think you'll point

801
01:17:16.399 --> 01:17:21.279
it out initially it's really again outside
the comfort zone of government to come up

802
01:17:21.279 --> 01:17:28.560
with legislation that is cross departments and
getting them to understand you can't just put

803
01:17:28.680 --> 01:17:31.319
legislation in and so you're going to
transform the Canadian economy. That's ridiculous.

804
01:17:32.039 --> 01:17:35.479
That's a recipe for failure, and
we've unfortunately seen a lot of failure.

805
01:17:36.279 --> 01:17:40.000
We saw what happened in the Cod
Fishery. I come from northern Ontario.

806
01:17:40.079 --> 01:17:44.600
I don't know how many of my
mining communities have gone down with nothing except

807
01:17:44.680 --> 01:17:49.199
a little manpower center and a twilight
economy. We're talking about a crisis,

808
01:17:49.600 --> 01:17:56.359
We're talking about an opportunity, and
so getting government to understand all the way

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up through the Prime Minister's office in
the PCO that this is just going to

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be Minister Wilkinson over at nar CAN, but this is going to be the

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Labor minister. This is going to
be environmental policy, this is going to

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be ESDC. We need them all
working together and we need them working with

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labor and communities. So there's a
number of sticking points. I'm hopeful that

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when the legislation comes we're going to
see some areas of real transformation. This

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Sustainable Job Secretariat, what is it, what does it do, what is

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its mandate? What are the accountability
mechanisms, what is the data that's being

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collected. Because if we don't have
good data on where the jobs are,

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on where the opportunities or where the
losses are, we've got nothing. So

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we need we need language there that's
very clear on the Job's Partnership Council.

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We want to know that there's going
to be again co chairs and that Labor

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is one of those co chairs and
the Government's not taking this as just some

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you know, little desk that's going
to be in the minister's back office.

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But this is actually going to have
a mandate to drup government on where to

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goes. So those are two key
areas. There's a number of things on

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the Sustainable Jobs Plan, nice words, talk about training, talk about upscaling.

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What is that going to look like
and how is it going to affect

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people in different parts of the country
because the transformation is happening in various locales

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in very different speeds right now.
I think one of the reasons we work

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so close to the Alberta Federational Labor
is there's nothing theoretical about this in Alberta.

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This is what's happening on the ground, so their expertise is really really

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important. So we're optimistic we can
get there, but we're moving a mountain

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and we have to get that mountain
move very quickly in order to start catching

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up to where the Americans. I've
already just gone way beyond what anybody thought

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could have been done. So the
Americans haven't all a government approach. We

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have to at least match that.
No question, I don't want if you

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can, don't your whole day here, but minor staying is In previous months,

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the NDP and maybe even the AFL
was quite involved discussing this with the

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government, even in the tent.
If that's the right metaphor in terms of

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crafting this. Has it been similar
with the legislation and like, how how

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close are the talks around this?
How how involved are you guys. I've

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been called to pain in the ass. I think that's a pretty good thing

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to be called. Um, let's
just say, uh, we're about that

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far off them on their backs every
day all day into the evening because we

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got to get this right and we
got one shot at it. So they're

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they're constructive. Let's say they're I
would say they're constructive, but we really

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have to deliver and there's gonna be
a lot of questions when this legislation comes

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for it, and we want to
be able to answer those questions day.

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Thank you for listening today. Um, some final thoughts. There's a lot

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of talk about and we keep hearing
more and more about gun control and how,

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oh the mass shootings and things like
that are a US problem, but

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killings are not a US problem.
If you go and you seek out one

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of our documentaries Hate Kills, you
will find out that there are there are

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still movements in Canada that are just
as armed as some of the some of

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the militia groups that are responsible for
mass shootings in the United States, controlling

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magazines, magazines and number of bullets
they can be loaded into a gun.

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That's a really good first step.
Notice I said first step. We need

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to move beyond that. We need
to move beyond gun control, and we

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need to move into hate control.
We need to find those who perpetrate hate,

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and we need to retrain their minds. We need to find those who

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want to spread love and perpetuate it. We need to stop the hatred because

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its people don't kill people. Guns
don't kill people. Hate kills. The

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sooner we come to the conclusion that
we need to stop the hate and all

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the rest of it falls in the
place, the faster we will save lives.

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Gun control a good first step.
Let's get into the schools and start

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talking love so that we can end
the hate. Okay, so you've have

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