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Howdy and welcome to the Three Troutcomes
Baseball podcast, presented by Baseball Prospectives.

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I'm your host, Ian left Quoitz
and joining me as always from suburb,

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Michigan. It is Ben Murphy.
Ben. How are you doing? I'm

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doing well? How are you doing? I'm doing wonderfully, delighted to be

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here, which is the same place
as always, which is in your ears?

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Dear listener, that too? Yeah? Right? Doesn't that seem terrifying

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that you are literally in like somebody's
earhole right now? I'm not gonna think

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about it. Yeah, just ponder
that. Oh my god. Um also

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pondering that from our nation's capital.
It's Jared wise Darted. How are you

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doing a little weirded out right now? That's the way I like it.

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Um, Happy Paystock Happy? Someone
has asked me, do you say happy

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Paysock? I don't know what the
right Burgridge there? Great question? Is

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it a happy holiday? It feels
mixed? Yeah, it was are though

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I can think about it. Yeah, that's true, it's true. I

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am. I didn't celebrate any holidays
this past weekend, but a lot of

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people wish me Happy Easter, and
it really bothers me that people assume that

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I'd be celebrating Easter, and I
wanted to respond with something like, uh,

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you know, happy Passover, whatever
the like ecalent was, and I

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realized, like I didn't know what
that was. And then that's just like

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me being even worse than that,
because it's just like a disingenuous double down

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on the religious assumptions. But um
know, like obviously throwing it in their

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face that they made a mistaken assumption
about me. Um, probably it's much

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better to have an actual civilized adult
conversation, but like, it's probably not

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good to assume that everybody celebrates Easter
and blah blah blah. But the main

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reason I didn't was because I didn't
know what the right thing to say was.

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So this is like of us do
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fasts need to be meaningful and not
every holiday is happy. Most holidays aren't,

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I guess, well most, sorry, I should say most most of

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the Jewish high holidays right are like
not about rejoicing necessarily, They're about like

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reflection and things. They're all mixed, I think, Um, I you

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know, again, like I am
not a religious studies major either, but

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I've always kind of based how happy
a Jewish holiday is based on the amount

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and type of food that you get
to eat. So if it's a good

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holiday, you eat a ton and
it's really delicious. Shoot right, yeah,

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like awesome, We'll fry everything and
just like stuffing on it. Yeah,

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because if it's good, that means
you eat more. Terrible day you

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don't eat. Does that mean Christmas
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Yes, there's a really sacrilegious response
to that, but at least listener to

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draw those in. I've gotten this
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I don't. I don't know what
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there's pivot to baseball. So we
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left. Right. That might have
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the beginning of the podcast new record
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just turned it off. But all
right, we are happy to be back

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for another week. Um and as
always, I'd love to start our show

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with some emails, So let's let's
turn over to the mailback captain, See

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what's what's on deck? Oh that's
actually a baseball pun. Sorry, sorry,

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everyone, I don't respond to those. Yeah, we got an email.

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It's very exciting. Thanks Jacob for
writing back. In Jacob is asking

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about his team in Public League,
an L three forty, which I can't

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think of a good nemonic for that. It's three of four to zero.

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I don't know. Look it up. He's a team eleven and wants to

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know if he should start selling now. This was he wrote in before the

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supplemental or could he make some good
moves in the supplements and be a competitive

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team this year? So I'll turn
it over to you guys who have a

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similar But I think the interesting thing
about this question from Jacob is that I

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know for if you guys would agree
for me personally, I don't know that

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a supplemental could is likely to swing
a team too much like I wouldn't.

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It's hard for me to imagine two
my teams that are going to be completely

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revamped by a supplemental picks. But
Jacob's team, this one in particular,

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is light on depth, So to
me, it's a more reasonable question.

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Say hey, this is an easy
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Depth is the one thing I'm missing? Is that going to be enough to

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swing the tide? Turn the tide, and do you want to go first

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or do you want me to go
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because you actually respond to you.
I did actually responded. My response

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was like two sentences, and I
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enough depth that even if everything breaks
right and you could add some depth through

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the supplementals, you're not gonna be
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trying to make that push, and
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year and focus on strengthening the core, or trading this year supplementals for picks

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and next year spring draft or something
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one of the things that's interesting here
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I think where the team is now, the writing is on the wall here,

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you know. I think sometimes you
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season like ten and six, or
even like eight and eight, or and

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kind of say, okay, I
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but this team is now, I
believe six and sixteen. So the question

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kind of answered itself between then and
now. But he does have a strong

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core, especially in pitching. And
I think what's interesting if we take this

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over to the the Rob McCune Memorial
Taking Players Report, which is a fascinating

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tool, again, a Baseball Perspectus
fantasy tool for all subscribers. Again highly

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recommended on AD. Just the thing
that's true. Um, you can see

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that in terms of like his top
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top half of the league, which
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he has Aaron Nolan, he has
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so Corey Seeger, Victor Robless Player
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players who are projected to oh JP
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you have players who are really going
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But the more and more you go
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of depth get exposed. So you
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actually in the league, but then
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second to last. So like right
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completely, and that's actually an awesome
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the way you want to set up
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to just think, like, how
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players that I can for now and
for the future. One of the things

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that's interesting to me is that in
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providing present value, you do have
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number of minor leaguers. What I
would probably recommend is letting go a little

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bit of some of the minor leaguers
and just being very judicious about what you

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get back. Look for a bunch
of consolidation trades. Maybe try to trade

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one star player and two to three
prospects for the prospect of your dreams.

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Just you know, I think even
be willing to take a loss on the

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trade, just because you know,
I think adding more minor leaguers to the

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situation is really not you know,
there's dimission returns in terms of your tenth

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eleventh keeper. You are really sacrificing
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you want to get off this treadmill, especially since you already have what's probably

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a pretty solid contending core. So
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they can't let go Tony Gonsolin,
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know, I have dumb keepers on
all of our teams as well. You're

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welcome, and I'm not even saying
that's the dump keep. I think it's

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fine. Just you know, as
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you're really cutting into what else you
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in season in getting more minor league
play years and after the season, you

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know, keeping them. I think
it's not just you know, the opportunity

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costs, because the twenty sixth round
pick is not really anything. It's just

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you know, you basically you make
it much harder for your team to win

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a championship if you're only in keeping
twenty four twenty five players will be a

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recurring issue in that case. So
there are there specific minor leaguers in his

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league that you think he should be
targeting. Yeah, um targeting. I

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didn't look closely, Okay, so
probably honest, But um, you know,

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I think you probably know the players
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players on contending teams. Um,
you know, maybe look for players who

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dropped out of it this year if
anyone gets hurt for the rest of the

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year and is a you know,
as a regular, Um, you know,

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we've definitely done the Lands of the
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But as players like that, pile
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you know, take a look.
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you know, because I don't think
this this team is going to be bad

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this year, but I don't think
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a couple of teams like that,
so you know that's. Um, that

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is the advantage of a continuing league. It's very hard in one year league.

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And I think we'll talk about that
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because I think we have some more
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that's all I have on this,
Jared, anything to add, No,

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I think it's good. I still
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it is. But it's not that
it's not a good team. It's that

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this isn't the year right the way
that it's currently constituted, Like the stuff

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that he got the spring draft isn't
it's not enough. And and even if

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he had a great outlook on things, he's already lasted the division. He's

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already behind by ten games. You
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more depth, playing better and out
playing those other teams by enough that it

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doesn't make sense to me to try
to win this year. When as Ian

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was saying, it's in a great
position to try to contend for next year

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because the core is really good,
the keepers are pretty solid, and if

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you take the opportunity now, you
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solid next year. And I think
show pretty well and like make the playoffs,

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maybe not win anything like championship.
But it would be a huge missed

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opportunity to try to go for this
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in to be really good next year. I think that's fair. Yeah,

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And it's interesting because because so much
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there's also kind of a time limit
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either consider maybe trading out you're starting
pitchers for fixing up holes in your

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lineup, maybe an outfielder again,
even if you're losing trades that way.

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It's just things that things that you
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in by the end of the year. So all right. I think this

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is one of the reasons that scoresheet
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is a line of a team that
and say a standard rotor league could be

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fairly competitive right now, I think, But Scoresheet is all about the depth,

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which is a fun twist for those
but feel like that sort of thing,

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right, a team that's struggling primarily
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on the roster are weak. Yeah, yeah, which is the thing.

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The thing that separates Scoresheet from fantasy
is just trolling those like relief pitching depth

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charts, looking looking for the setup
man who are out of options in the

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middle of March, maybe on a
beach somewhere. Who knows the thing that

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says, I have made a choice
with my life and I'm going to see

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it through. That's all the questions
we had scores you to a Baseball perspectives

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ian. Do you think there are
other people that are in similar positions,

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say three or four weeks into the
season, trying to figure out what to

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do about their team that's not performing? Well, wow, that is quite

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a segue. Whoa um, what
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I got some good advice in my
inbox this week from Jeff Barton. He

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says it's time to painting. Yeah, so we we eat all us and

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you the listener got an email this
week from the Barns that kind of got

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pinned on their topic board, so
I will I guess at some level this

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is a mail back Captain, So
I don't know, Jared if you want

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to read it, but I do
have it in front of me if you

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think to go ahead, because this
wasn't sent to me. Okay, that's

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fair, thank you for making me
a saysy captain. Anyway, Hi,

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y'all. As far as performance of
players who are still healthy, I generally

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do not worry too much if one
of my players has a slow start the

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first week or so. But if
after twenty games a guy is still performing

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poorly, then I start to think
it might be time for that player to

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ride some pine, especially if he's
getting up there in age. Of course,

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that doesn't always work out well either. We know the sinking feeling of

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benching a guy just before he gets
hot. Decisions such as went to start

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a guy who's been hot, or
to bench a guy even if he was

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one of your higher draft picks,
or what makes us playing playing this game

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fun? Hey and air quotes around
fun just for verse similitude. Overall,

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though, while I always preach patients
the first week or two, at three

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week mark, I think drastic changes
are often called for best of luck in

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your decision making, Ben, Do
you think this is good advice? Man?

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That's a setup. No, But
I think so it's an interesting It's

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interesting to contrast the email with Jacob's
team because I don't think my answer about

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Jacob's team changes a whole lot now
than it would have before the season started,

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like based on the depth that he
has, right, Like, he

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came into the season with two relievers
and you know, only one catcher,

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really only one first baseman, only
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infielders. So he was going to
have a tough go over the long haul

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of the full six month season because
depth is so important in scoresheet, like

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you guys are saying. And I
think there's a big difference between changing your

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evaluation of the team between the start
of the season and now, which is

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what Jeff Barton is talking about,
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stock of your team, which is
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And so I think, like Jeff's
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with. I think we're definitely too
early in the season to change, you

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your team was going to be competitive
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too bad that Jeff's email isn't more
careful about describing like the ways that you

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might be able to tell whether the
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column is indicative of the talent on
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forward. Right, And we've talked
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you know, you can even dig
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your scoresy team, like have they
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and allowed? How closely does their
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that to their actual you know,
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real life performance, and something like
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really helpful for that too, where
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performance season to date and compare it
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say, like, well, do
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balance back stuff that might be coming
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like Jeff mentioned, like an injury
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that's maybe a reason to change your
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that, I think it's it's way
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and so it's a little bit I
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Jeff would give that advice in that
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if you want to. All Right, we're learning a lot of best practices

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today and a lot of different fields. Um. Any any thoughts, so

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Ben, when is the time he
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I would like take stock of it
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of the way to the season,
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you know, what end of May
something like that, you're still gonna have

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plenty of time to make any trades
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And I think way too often we
have this emotional reaction to our team

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like, oh, this stud like
these guys are the suckiest bunch of sucks

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that ever sucked, Like I'm getting
rid of them. But stop reading.

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emotional reaction set aside, try to
be a little bit rational about it and

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be like, Okay, like what's
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or what I was expecting this team
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people just feel like that it's like
I have to do something, but you

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don't. And yeah, I would
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if you waited like another month or
two after that, you're getting an extra

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like two weeks after the Major League
Baseball trade deadline going into August to make

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trades and score sheet. You know, it's like there's a lot of time

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left to try to move the players
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And because the September performances waited so
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those playoff contenders are going to be
super interested in those players that you

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have that are you know, closer
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value spectrum in terms of, you
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maybe next, but not really great
in the long run, that a team

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that wants to rebuild for the future
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contender. And a lot of times
the playoff contender is going to be more

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interested in August because they're going to
have more cost certainty run what they're getting

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right now. People are like,
I don't know if that hot start is

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for real or not, and you're
probably not going to get great value for

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the guy that you have that you'd
like to trade because you want to punt

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on the season, because the team's
playing terribly. There's all kinds of great

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reasons to wait. And I think, yeah, I would wait at least

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two months, even three or four. I think you're as long as you're

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giving yourself a couple of weeks before
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So to give Jeff the benefit of
the dead here, or to play the

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advocate, maybe is it possible that
what he means by drastic changes is not

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blow up your team, because,
like earlier in the paragraph, he's talking

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about Benching, a guy who is
not hitting it, well so is So

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do you think by jestic changes it's
possible. He's meaning, you know,

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rejigger your lineup or you know,
put someone on the bench and bringing someone

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in, as opposed to deciding,
oh, my team is not going to

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compete this year. So by drastic
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changes. Well, the thing is
that, like in score sheet, there's

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not that many ways because without a
waiver wire, there's not many ways you

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can change your team, right,
There aren't a ton of levers in score

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sheet, right, Benching, somebody
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I won't use the word drastic,
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it possible. That's what he's suggesting, as opposed to deciding, Oh,

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your team is not going to be
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especially you know with score sheets.
I guess origination as kind of a one

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year league. I think, you
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mentality and like, oh my god, I have to win this year,

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and you know, I I also
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up, but there's a part of
me that definitely feels what Jeff feels and

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agrees with it. You know,
there was an article that came out this

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week in Baseball Perspectives by former guest
Mark Marry which kind of got into this

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very same kind of feeling. You
know, the it's just start as team

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starts six to nine and then you
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top, and then you know,
are you are you okay with that or

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do you just you know panic?
And I feel it too. We're in

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a league where we are you know
again SSSIM if you if you go all

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the way out, you know,
we have the top SSIM in the league,

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but the team is in last place, and it's last place in a

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twelve team league. It's nine games
out of first it's you know, four

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games out of the playoffs with a
million teams in front of us. I

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don't know, you know, you
maybe maybe there's some panicking going on,

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Maybe there's something drastic that we have
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I think there is tremendous pressure to
punt because you know, one of the

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other things men that you talk about
is it's it's good to wait and good

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Um that value kind of stays the
same. But I think there's also benefit

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to being the first mover. Is
that right. Yeah, I think it's

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good to be able to set the
market for some of this stuff, but

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a lot of continuing leagues are going
to have enough history that you don't get

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a ton of variability and say,
like what kind of draft pick you're going

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to get for a good reliever or
something like that. And I think it's

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it's definitely better to be first to
market if you feel like you're going to

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have a little bit of an advantage
in terms of leverage with trading partners or

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something like that. But you know, there's also situations where you know,

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if you're the last one in and
you've got the last really good player and

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there are three teams that are in
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then you're in a really good position
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it's obviously always best to be first
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be first in because I like the
feeling of like sort of control or whatever

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you want to call it in terms
of setting setting the price on some of

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those types of things. But that's
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it is like general guideline that I
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so it's interesting. So in terms
of like advice for a team that

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is like ours, let's say eight
or nine games out in a league where

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you thought you were competing, or
like maybe Jacob was, you hoped you

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were competing. You know, there's
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I feel like it's very tough to
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type of team, right, a
team who's collapse is due not to let's

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say, the complete failure of their
best players, but injuries and or lack

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of depth. Right, if there
are one or two holes that are just

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if the team is just like leaking
innings or something like that and you need

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to paper it over, or you
are literally the worst team in the league

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and you get that one Max Muncie
bump, right, which can sometimes happen

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in the first draft or two.
You know, I think it's interesting to

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think of in terms of one year
leagues as well, because there are leagues

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out there that don't have luxury of
hunting and they're you know, we did

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plenty to talk more about it.
So let's say it is a situation like

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we are in let's say, in
our in our actual league that is pretty

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close functionally to a one year league
where we are six games out of all

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of a sudden. Are there ways
that you can think of to kind of

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help your team mid season if something
bad has gone wrong? I mean,

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I think you have to have a
sense for what the weakness is on the

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team. And if you're if your
bullpen is the weakness, like, that's

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something that's easy to show up.
If it's you know, lack of power

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or something on offense, well I
guess that doesn't really happen anymore. But

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if it's lack of you know,
lack of depth in the middle infield or

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something like that, you know,
a lack of top end talent in the

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corners, you know, those things
are all going to have different prices,

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and you have to have some other
relative strength at least within your team that

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you can try to deal from to
try to address it, to make the

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team, you know, maybe a
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I think a lot of times in
when year leagues you're sort of stuck because

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unless you get a really good opportunity
for a challenge trade that helps you shift.

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You know, you've got eight great
starting pitchers and you're okay with dealing

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one or two to you know,
add another outfield or something like that,

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and there's a team that is in
the converse situation. You know, those

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types of situations don't happen very often, and it makes it tough, I

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think, to be able to pull
off something that's going to actually have a

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meaningful impact on your team's performance that
season. Yeah, I think there are

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two things potentially that I would recommend, although I will say, like I

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agree with you that the reason we
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is that so much of them are
decided in March and then through injuries that

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you know, if you end up
in a hole, it's just incredibly difficult

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to get out of it. But
so two things that I might recommend if

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you are an active owner and you
want to try to change your fate.

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One is to trade your solid stars
for like incredibly risky investments and maybe crack

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your crack your lineup a bit.
If their depth is the problem, just

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trade your starter for two people who
may have playing time issues and just hope

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and pray. You know, I
think minute a lot of the time,

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it might go worse, but I
think you're just looking for the chance that

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you know, Ryan McMahon grabs the
job and runs away with it, or

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Alex Rodugo somehow becomes a starter,
or you know, they call up whoever.

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I guess all the stars are in
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you know, look for kind of
mid level prospects. I don't know,

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I would just start accepting more and
more risk into your team. The other

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strategy that I might suggest is,
you know, just there is one form

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of time value in a one year
league, and that's you know, you

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trade your players who are of more
use in the playoffs for players who might

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be of more use in the regular
season. So it's really like trading off

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over performer for underperformers and just hoping
that they bounce back. I would say,

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almost no matter how bad they are. But uh, you know,

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I can think of a major league
team that has really tested those out of

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boundaries recently. But um, you
know, I think again like that I'm

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saying earlier because because some of that
September value is locked in. You know,

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I think if you well, if
you're a terrible team with Christian yellits,

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you have made some mistakes in life. But you know, I think

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if there is anybody who has had
a hot month of the season, I

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would just flog them now to a
to a contender and get that underperforming player

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and just hope. Like if you're
if you're in last, if you're second

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to last and won year league.
You know, I think you're just looking

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for things to bounce back your way, and you want to get into the

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playoffs, and you can deal with
U looking stupid later. Makes sense,

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all right? So any anything else? Are are we ready to panic?

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I'm glad you said that word because
I have a Joe Panic segue digression.

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I want to make sure yes,
my favorite type of pandic is Joe panic.

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I just read this book Infinite Baseball. I'm holding up to the camera

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but only gets can see. It's
from a philosopher at the ballpark by Alvin

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No. I don't know that I
would recommend it necessarily to anyone in particular,

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and I think a lot of one
over my head because I don't do

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philosophy. But he had a story
about Joe Panic in there, and Joe

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Panic's name was spelled wrong. It
was spelled like the word panic rather than

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like the last name Joe Panic.
And this is like multiple times in an

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index too, but so one.
I don't know if maybe it's just a

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philosophy thing that's going over my head, but why he misspelled it? But

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too, Like it made me think
of how hard it has to be to

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be an editor for a book on
philosophy and baseball and like to get that

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right, like to be to be
someone who could get all the philosophical stuff

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down but also know how like Joe
Panic is an actual person and not just

409
00:33:13.640 --> 00:33:17.599
this construct that this author came up
with, like Joe cool, but yeah,

410
00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:23.000
like how is how is an editors? Oh? I don't know.

411
00:33:23.079 --> 00:33:28.480
He could type Joe Panic into Google, but like if you don't know that,

412
00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:31.839
nothing would come up. It would
all be the other Joe Panic philosophical

413
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:45.160
construct. It's like the anti clutch, like not Jeter. Uh, that

414
00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:47.200
is funny, that's it. It's
a slim volume. Like I don't know

415
00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:52.200
if i'dn't necessarily recommend it, But
how did you end up reading a philosophy

416
00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:55.839
philosophy book about baseball? Uh?
My mom got it for me so there

417
00:33:55.839 --> 00:34:00.559
you go. That'll do it,
all right. She got it for me,

418
00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:02.680
and she's like, you know,
this didn't even get that great reviews,

419
00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:07.960
but here you go. Yes,
I'm right always the way I like

420
00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:12.920
to get Again, I don't think
people appreciate how much your mother loves books

421
00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:17.000
and like media in general. But
like, yeah, that's a very that's

422
00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:23.960
a very quintessential story of your mother
thing. It's like the only reason that

423
00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:29.920
she hasn't left her job yet is
because part of her job entails ordering thousands

424
00:34:29.960 --> 00:34:31.480
of dollars of books each year,
and that's like her favorite thing in the

425
00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:37.719
world, and she takes a lot
of crap in order to like just hang

426
00:34:37.719 --> 00:34:47.119
on to that. Basically, all
right, whatever joy um. So,

427
00:34:47.199 --> 00:34:52.119
I think other than that topic,
where I think we decided it is not

428
00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:57.840
tied to panic unless it days um
you know the kind of advice we always

429
00:34:57.880 --> 00:35:05.199
like to get. Um D.
We are going to extend our best thing

430
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:13.840
we saw this week topic a little
bit because just just some bigger things that

431
00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:15.000
we saw this week. I would
not say this is the best thing I

432
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:20.480
saw this week, but one thing
I saw this week very recently over the

433
00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:29.559
weekend was um, the Tampa Bay
Rays playing the Boston Red Sox and the

434
00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:34.280
Tampa Bay Raise. UH. I
don't know if you heard of this,

435
00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:37.280
if you heard from this game,
but the Tampa Bay Rays um set the

436
00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:50.760
team record for triples in one game
with four UM and it was it was

437
00:35:50.920 --> 00:35:55.480
very interesting to me. UM weird
game. The Rays Raise actually lost six

438
00:35:55.519 --> 00:36:00.119
five to the to the Red Sox. UM, but I was struck by

439
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:07.519
this feeling when um, let's see
g MANCHOI hit the first triple in the

440
00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:15.000
fourth inning and uh Yandi DS was
up and I was like, oh,

441
00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:20.800
this will be um, you know, this will be fun. The the

442
00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:23.400
Rays are gonna get back at it. And then U Yandi d has grounded

443
00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:31.039
out and I realized, oh,
everyone is right. It doesn't matter what

444
00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:37.679
base you are on too, Like
it may as well be first base.

445
00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:45.760
You gruns out like a lot.
Yeah, well, Yandi D has hit

446
00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:49.079
another home run. This is all
happening for him this year. But yeah

447
00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:52.679
no, I realized, like,
oh runner on first because there were actually

448
00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:58.239
two instances of this in the UH
in the game with a leadoff triple,

449
00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:05.639
and both times like the first player
granted out and then a player was out

450
00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:07.679
and I could just see you know, the strikeout happening, and I'm like,

451
00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:12.840
oh god, this is like It's
been a long time since I've had

452
00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:21.320
to calibrate my expectations after a triple
watching modern baseball, so um, you

453
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:24.400
know, I feel like it was
a real strange thing. And actually half

454
00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:30.559
of them scored, so it was
in both cases it was a triple with

455
00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:36.039
one out, then a triple scored
the run, and then that player was

456
00:37:36.079 --> 00:37:39.599
stranded on third. We twice.
Yeah, I know it was a strange,

457
00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:45.079
strange experience, but it kind of
just brought to mind, Um again,

458
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:47.760
we've been talking about this, uh
rabbit ball for the past couple of

459
00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:53.440
weeks, how the game is changing. And I don't know if we've assed

460
00:37:53.440 --> 00:38:00.079
like Jared, especially since you watched
baseball uh pretty regular or you know,

461
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:13.039
like effects Emily thereof do you like
this not the team like the concept of

462
00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:15.920
like the baseball that we're watching right
now. Well, I mean it's putting

463
00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:21.920
the o's in position to set some
pretty spectacular records. So in that sense,

464
00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:27.039
sure, what record would that be? Most time runs given up by

465
00:38:27.079 --> 00:38:30.039
a team in a season? Ever? They said the one for I obviously

466
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:30.800
saw this one. I think it
was in that article. Yeah, who

467
00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:36.840
sports one. The Os have given
up the most home runs through the end

468
00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:42.760
of April, and so the record
through the end of April was fifty and

469
00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:47.159
the O's broke that with ten games
to go in so it's been a good

470
00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:55.000
season. Yeah. Yeah. The
pitching is not holding up as well as

471
00:38:55.039 --> 00:38:59.760
I thought it was. And I
did think they were gonna be the worst

472
00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:07.079
team in league by a lot,
So ups and downs. They're hitting better

473
00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:13.760
than I thought. They're hitting home
runs, sure everyone, Yeah, um,

474
00:39:13.840 --> 00:39:15.800
you know, is it? I
was just curious, like aesthetically,

475
00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:21.000
are you happy with baseball in the
moment um? You know. I think

476
00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:23.519
one of the things that has happened
between last podcasts and this is, uh,

477
00:39:24.039 --> 00:39:30.679
we've seen kind of Rob Arthur articles
on baseball perspectives that first, the

478
00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:36.880
the coefficient drag is back down right, so balls are flying everywhere. And

479
00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:43.719
then the Triple A ball was replaced
by the Major League ball. I assume

480
00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:45.880
most people have heard this, and
then home runs are up in Triple A

481
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:50.679
by thirty percent, which, as
a person who watches a lot of Triple

482
00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:54.320
A games is a real bummer because
like, um, they already play most

483
00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:59.920
of those games on like the moon
in the PCL though, that's just gonna

484
00:39:59.920 --> 00:40:05.760
be like a thousand home runs.
Um yeah, is this uh you know,

485
00:40:05.880 --> 00:40:10.239
is a game where Gi Monchoy,
a player not you know, should

486
00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:14.960
not be hitting a triples does hit
a triple. It's amazing, you know,

487
00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:16.960
the whole like it was. It
was great because it was like the

488
00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:20.880
first thing that happened to the rays
and four innings, so everyone was like

489
00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:24.079
a top step and cheering him on, and you know, Tropicana Field was

490
00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:29.239
rocking. The DJ was like fake
playing music. That's an insight joke.

491
00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:34.960
Sorry, we went to Tropicana Field
once. The DJ was like spinning the

492
00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:37.360
whole day and nothing was coming out. It was very strange and we have

493
00:40:37.559 --> 00:40:40.480
talked about it for a decade since. Um, but the whole day it

494
00:40:40.559 --> 00:40:45.000
was just the second thid to seventh
inning just standing there just like spinning a

495
00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:50.000
thing and like listening, but no
sound was coming out. I don't get

496
00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:57.599
it, just okay, but you
know, so it was like this moment

497
00:40:57.599 --> 00:41:00.920
whereas like everyone's excited, but he
didn't get home and you know, it

498
00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:04.559
wasn't a home run. And then
I was like, oh, that's right.

499
00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:09.719
I don't know that anything's going to
happen like, yeah, that's not

500
00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:14.320
a run necessarily, or it's like
it wouldn't even be a surprise if it

501
00:41:14.400 --> 00:41:21.079
wasn't a run, right, I
think it's less esthetically pleasing for me personally,

502
00:41:21.679 --> 00:41:23.760
if that's your question. Yeah,
I mean maybe just because it's a

503
00:41:23.800 --> 00:41:27.960
different front I'm used to and I
still think of it in the old terms.

504
00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:32.760
But yeah, right right. Is
it like a kids these days thing?

505
00:41:34.400 --> 00:41:38.440
Yeah, like with their bull hoops
and their singles or you know home

506
00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:43.400
runs. Where's the day where you
could you know, drive knock a runner

507
00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:46.960
over. It's interesting to me because
I'm of two minds. Like, you

508
00:41:46.960 --> 00:41:52.079
know, I do feel I do
feel the inertness a little bit, like

509
00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:59.679
it does feel like there's an aspect
of home run or bust that you know,

510
00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:02.480
it's pervasive. It's not just like
when it happens, It just like

511
00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:07.119
pervades your thinking. It's like,
oh, this team has to hit a

512
00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:12.400
home run here, you know,
which is kind of different even than like

513
00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:15.920
or let's just let them, you
know, get the bay or you know,

514
00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:20.559
runners a scoring position, let's get
a single drive over And it's like,

515
00:42:21.159 --> 00:42:24.119
well you can, but that's just
like less likely than ever. Um,

516
00:42:28.199 --> 00:42:30.559
you know, but there's an aspect
like the way I watch games too

517
00:42:31.039 --> 00:42:36.119
is I don't know if it's changed
if it was the way I always watched

518
00:42:36.159 --> 00:42:38.519
it, But you know, I
find myself much more interested in the batter

519
00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:45.920
pitcher interaction than before. And I
think, to me, that is the

520
00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:49.079
thing that has been compensating that.
That's kind of what I've been realizing in

521
00:42:49.079 --> 00:42:53.320
this world, Like why am I
not completely turned off by baseball? Um?

522
00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:59.480
You know, I think I like
strikeouts more than most people. And

523
00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:02.119
I think I like home runs more
than most people, Like I think most

524
00:43:02.159 --> 00:43:07.119
people like home er But you know, I I think there's this aspect of

525
00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:13.079
um, the part of the game
that I most focus on is that like

526
00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:16.920
interaction. And I've never liked throws
to first. I've never really liked you

527
00:43:16.960 --> 00:43:22.159
know, hitting behind the runner and
positioning and all that stuff. Like I

528
00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:27.800
don't really enjoy stolen bases as much
as most people. Maybe it's just because

529
00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:32.480
I grew up, you know,
kind of pre saberized in the early nineties

530
00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:36.679
way like, or mid nineties way
like. I was a kid when I

531
00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:40.559
first discovered saber metrics. So like
me and the people younger than me are

532
00:43:40.599 --> 00:43:49.679
all like we never cared about RBIs
and winning winning is a function of hitting

533
00:43:50.719 --> 00:44:00.239
oh run sun, Um you know
that. Um. I think I I

534
00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:04.079
do think of myself as being like
a slightly younger generation that way in terms

535
00:44:04.119 --> 00:44:08.199
of fandom, like a post you
know, the right way to play,

536
00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:15.320
And I think on some level it
has been kind of interesting to see this

537
00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:19.840
like being pulled to an end and
saying, Okay, it just really narrows

538
00:44:19.880 --> 00:44:23.719
down the focus of what a game
is because you have the position. You

539
00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:27.599
know, I think all the shifting
that's going on, and it's just not

540
00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:31.760
as compelling to me as like,
you know, is this a player like

541
00:44:31.840 --> 00:44:36.519
swing changing, a player pulp going
to the pulse side, or just you

542
00:44:36.519 --> 00:44:39.960
know, I think the types of
pitches that are being thrown. And you

543
00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:44.400
know, I think I've spent much
more time focusing on the micro than the

544
00:44:44.440 --> 00:44:49.519
macro of the game as well.
Do you think you would feel similarly if

545
00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:53.440
we had more certainty about like the
integrity of the baseball like you're talking about

546
00:44:53.440 --> 00:45:00.159
before, or like the the consistency
of some of those things that we had

547
00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:02.599
previously assumed we're going to be the
same, so that you could, like,

548
00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:08.920
for example, chock all of it
up to usage pattern changes and like

549
00:45:10.760 --> 00:45:16.440
you know, like the way that
let's stry pitching pitch or usage pattern changes.

550
00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:22.800
You know, like it do you
think do you think it makes sense

551
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:27.159
that that's the big part of it? And how much of the like unknown

552
00:45:29.920 --> 00:45:34.440
ball juicing types of things are a
problem, right, because to me,

553
00:45:34.519 --> 00:45:37.639
that's like outside the game in a
way, right, Like that's the thing

554
00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:44.000
that's like that shouldn't that shouldn't change, right, Baseball shouldn't be making those

555
00:45:44.119 --> 00:45:47.199
tweaks without um like having a good
reason or like having a little bit of

556
00:45:47.199 --> 00:45:53.639
transparency about it. But the like
strategic shifts are like defensive repositioning or only

557
00:45:53.679 --> 00:45:57.840
having pitchers face you know, a
batter or two, Like those things are

558
00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:00.280
more like well, if that's the
way that the manager thinks is best around

559
00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:05.760
the team, then you know that's
their prerogative. Does that make a difference

560
00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:08.599
for you in terms of like how
you how much you enjoy what's going on

561
00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:14.800
and whether like the changes are things
that you can feel good about watching or

562
00:46:14.840 --> 00:46:19.199
like still are entertained by. Yeah, it's interesting, like the thing the

563
00:46:19.320 --> 00:46:24.280
changes over the years that have really
upset me or you know, not you

564
00:46:24.559 --> 00:46:29.679
like relatively obsessed me. Yeah,
exactly. We all understand those table stakes

565
00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:36.079
here. Um, you know,
I think losing the power of the starting

566
00:46:36.159 --> 00:46:40.880
pitcher has been upsetting to me.
I understand it esthetically. I do think

567
00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:45.039
probably the best rotation is just like, there are you guys going one time

568
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:51.119
through the order. I think eventually
that's what baseball will be. But you're

569
00:46:51.199 --> 00:46:52.880
not telling me to bring it back
to the Orioles. But tonight was the

570
00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:58.960
first oriol starter who lasted seven innings
in a game. Okay, partially that's

571
00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:02.880
on the Orioles. But yeah,
who was it? Um, Andrew Kashner?

572
00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:10.239
Wow, all right, wasn't he
the opening day starter? Yeah?

573
00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:14.599
Well, you do want your teammates
to really soak up some innings where you

574
00:47:15.159 --> 00:47:22.719
he's leading by example. Yeah,
that's fair. H No, I think

575
00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:24.599
I feel like that has been a
problem. I feel like, um,

576
00:47:25.079 --> 00:47:30.840
some of the inertness of like the
lack of substitutions I find much more upsetting.

577
00:47:31.639 --> 00:47:35.199
You know, I think in especially
American League games, you'll go the

578
00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:42.039
entire game and no, there's no
batter substitution, no pitch hitting. Pinch

579
00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:45.679
hitting is probably losing strategy, but
there's no like optimistic like somebody is coming

580
00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:51.000
in like this changes everything heavens,
Like, yeah, it's just like,

581
00:47:51.519 --> 00:47:53.960
you know, a picture throws three
innings and then they bring in another picture

582
00:47:54.039 --> 00:47:57.519
throws three innings, and then they
bring in another picture throws three innings and

583
00:47:57.519 --> 00:48:02.639
then it's done. Um for so, I feel like that's the part that

584
00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:07.239
is a little alienating to me,
Like the moment to moment thing, the

585
00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:15.000
actual ball itself, I'm mostly okay
with. I feel like, if the

586
00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:22.079
alternative is just nineteen sixty eight,
I would rather have this, you know,

587
00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:24.000
I don't know what would happen if
the ball was deadened, Like would

588
00:48:24.039 --> 00:48:30.920
people, would the sinker come back? I don't know, would like one

589
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:34.280
run strategies come back. It doesn't
feel like one when run strategies are going

590
00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:37.880
to come back. If the ball
is deadened, it feels like they were

591
00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:42.960
always losing strategies right, Like you'd
have to make bigger changes to the game

592
00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:49.360
in order to make that acceptable.
I think you would just have a game

593
00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:57.239
where no one's scored ever, which
may have its own charms. But I

594
00:48:57.239 --> 00:49:05.559
don't know. Um, you know, Jared, I don't know how you

595
00:49:05.559 --> 00:49:08.840
feel about that. I don't want
to keep monologueing because you were also watching

596
00:49:08.840 --> 00:49:15.000
games pretty regularly. What you're trying
to say, I'm saying, Ben that

597
00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:19.320
you don't watch games all that regularly
and this thing to you exercise, I

598
00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:25.679
don't watch baseball games all that big
things. Well, let me ask Ben,

599
00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:30.639
um, because you grew up among
the thee of us playing baseball,

600
00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:34.840
yes, in an organized manner.
Yeah. I was reflecting on that when

601
00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:37.119
Ian was talking about like how he
was raised on sacred metrics. Actually,

602
00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:42.400
yeah, you were raised on actually
playing the game and getting outside and seeking

603
00:49:42.440 --> 00:49:47.280
the sun well and like all that
stupid traditionalist shit like hitting behind the runner

604
00:49:47.320 --> 00:49:51.119
and all the other things that you
said. Like you were saying that,

605
00:49:51.199 --> 00:49:52.960
and of course that's a podcast,
but I was sitting here like nodding along,

606
00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:55.840
like yep, I remember being taught
that, and I remember being taught

607
00:49:55.880 --> 00:50:00.559
that. You know, it's like, oh yeah, like doing little thing

608
00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:04.480
like you get the ice cream cone
when you're six, and then you get

609
00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:08.119
the slap on the back when you're
fourteen or something. I guess I don't

610
00:50:08.119 --> 00:50:12.079
know. I don't reflect on that
as much as like the actual on the

611
00:50:12.079 --> 00:50:15.199
field stuff that you were talking about, Like I remember very vividly my high

612
00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:20.880
school coach telling me, like,
you should swing at the first fastball.

613
00:50:20.920 --> 00:50:24.880
You see, Like that's like that's
our hitting approach, is like hit the

614
00:50:24.880 --> 00:50:30.360
first fastball you can. And you
know, I learned a long time ago

615
00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:35.079
that that's a kind of terrible approach. But I was also never a great

616
00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:37.960
hitter, so it didn't it didn't
matter for me personally. No, Lend

617
00:50:38.119 --> 00:50:45.599
Powell, I heard, Oh,
you have to explain that a little bit.

618
00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:50.320
He was in he was in your
area, right, Yeah, I

619
00:50:50.440 --> 00:50:54.960
played on the junior legion team when
he was on the senior legion team.

620
00:50:55.079 --> 00:51:00.599
I like knew him, and his
dad coached the junior legion team. His

621
00:51:00.760 --> 00:51:10.239
dad was a good old boy anyway, hopefully, yeah, hopefully I said

622
00:51:10.280 --> 00:51:15.400
that with the appropriate intonation that every
understands how I feel about that. A

623
00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:17.639
slight dramatic pause there. I was
really worried about what's going to come.

624
00:51:20.119 --> 00:51:22.199
I mean, I was trying to
figure out what's like, what's the right

625
00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:25.840
word, Like a second, we're
getting pulled, right, It's not that

626
00:51:25.840 --> 00:51:30.079
bad, uh, Jerry, what
were you actually going to ask? As

627
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:35.159
I sort of interrupted you as you
were framing your question, and then I

628
00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:38.239
interrupted you as you were answering at
so that's why we make good podcasts.

629
00:51:39.519 --> 00:51:43.360
No, I just think that's like
Uni was saying, he doesn't care as

630
00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:47.679
much about the not stacy instation kind
of approach, but like it's fine if

631
00:51:47.679 --> 00:51:52.000
the game is just entirely strikeouts and
Homer's And I was just wondering if you

632
00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:57.679
had a different sentiment. I realized
you don't hu that close to the traditionalist

633
00:51:57.880 --> 00:52:00.400
point of view, but like if
you you know, growing being brought up

634
00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:02.719
in word, that's what you were
doing, and there's more emphasis on the

635
00:52:04.519 --> 00:52:09.159
moving the runners around. If that's
something that you would miss. It's hard

636
00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:15.679
because I've I've not been enamored by
baseball in so long, you know,

637
00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:20.199
like I don't even remember what it
is that I guess I remember some of

638
00:52:20.239 --> 00:52:22.840
what it was that like drew me
in, but it's not something that I

639
00:52:22.880 --> 00:52:29.480
appreciate like I once did. So
I don't have like a a good answer

640
00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:32.079
for you in the present. I
do think that one of the things that

641
00:52:32.119 --> 00:52:37.800
I remember feeling is that baseball was
one of those things that if you didn't

642
00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:42.840
play it, I always understood why
people didn't like watching it on TV because

643
00:52:42.880 --> 00:52:47.440
there aren't enough opportunities watching it on
TV to appreciate some of the little things

644
00:52:47.440 --> 00:52:52.719
that happen, like the middle end
fielders talking to each other like in between

645
00:52:52.760 --> 00:53:00.920
pitches, or the coaches from the
dugout like giving hand signals to the catcher

646
00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:02.800
or to the outfielders or whatever.
You know, Like there's all kinds of

647
00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:06.639
little things that you can see like
that if you're at the game in person

648
00:53:06.760 --> 00:53:09.280
or if you know, like sometimes
they show it on broadcasts and stuff.

649
00:53:09.320 --> 00:53:15.559
But you know, generally, especially
for people that aren't baseball players or haven't

650
00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:21.480
been watching baseball games with baseball players, when they watch baseball games on TV,

651
00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:24.840
it's like, oh, this is
not as exciting as you know,

652
00:53:25.039 --> 00:53:30.320
basketball or whatever, because the action
is a little bit less frequent and it's

653
00:53:30.360 --> 00:53:36.239
harder to appreciate those like nuanced things. I guess, I don't know if

654
00:53:36.239 --> 00:53:37.880
those nuanced things are still present or
not. You know, like, just

655
00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:43.000
because just because the outcomes on the
field are different, doesn't necessarily mean that

656
00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:47.639
the left fielder isn't still trying to
be in the best position that they can

657
00:53:47.679 --> 00:53:52.039
be in. It just means that
the number of situations where it matters what

658
00:53:52.119 --> 00:53:55.960
position they're in are lower. And
is that better or worse, Like I

659
00:53:57.880 --> 00:54:02.400
don't know, you know, like
you could still see value. In fact,

660
00:54:02.440 --> 00:54:07.360
it might be even like enhanced value
in you know, that coach having

661
00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:12.400
a sense for where that left fielder
should be, and you know, when

662
00:54:12.400 --> 00:54:15.480
that one opportunity comes and that left
fielder is able to get to a ball

663
00:54:15.480 --> 00:54:19.039
that's you know, in the gap
or in the corner or whatever because of

664
00:54:19.039 --> 00:54:23.119
that positioning. Like, I think
that's interesting, you know, and all

665
00:54:23.119 --> 00:54:27.440
that still happens, right, If
anything, we've gotten better at that with

666
00:54:27.519 --> 00:54:34.760
all of the defensive metrics and spray
charts and stack cast and everything that's happened

667
00:54:34.760 --> 00:54:37.840
over the less twenty years or whatever. So I don't know, I don't

668
00:54:38.400 --> 00:54:46.400
think it changes too much. I
also think as a fan, like I

669
00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:50.800
I like high scoring games enough,
you know, like I think generally that

670
00:54:50.880 --> 00:54:53.599
means more stuff is happening, and
the stuff that is happening is more likely

671
00:54:53.599 --> 00:55:00.440
to be exciting, and I think
those are good things. Yeah, I

672
00:55:00.639 --> 00:55:05.519
you know, I think especially from
our generation, like the generation before us

673
00:55:05.559 --> 00:55:09.960
had this reverie for one nothing pitching
duels, right that was like the game

674
00:55:10.000 --> 00:55:13.199
that they grew up in. And
then you know, the two to one

675
00:55:13.360 --> 00:55:19.599
games and I don't know that never
really I like them as a as a

676
00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:25.599
spice, but not as the flavor. Okay, that's a funny way to

677
00:55:25.639 --> 00:55:31.280
describe it. Yeah, I think
I like I think I like my flavor

678
00:55:31.400 --> 00:55:36.760
being like lots of two run home
runs. Yeah. Yeah, there's a

679
00:55:36.760 --> 00:55:38.880
part of me that like really did
come of age in nineteen ninety eight as

680
00:55:38.920 --> 00:55:42.519
much as I Yeah, you know, I don't want to say it's like

681
00:55:43.199 --> 00:55:51.000
I do like the giant offense ball
to some degree. I mean, that's

682
00:55:51.000 --> 00:55:54.800
also how I prefer to build fantasy
teams. We have like the sort of

683
00:55:54.800 --> 00:56:00.000
a running joke about the King's team
because you know, the only way they're

684
00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:04.280
gonna win as if they score Brazilion
runs because there's only one picture. But

685
00:56:05.599 --> 00:56:08.119
even going back to when before we
started teaming up, I think I mentioned

686
00:56:08.119 --> 00:56:12.519
this on the pod before, but
like before we teamed up to run teams,

687
00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:15.480
I ran a team by myself in
a league where you guys ran a

688
00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:22.039
team together, and like my whole
team was basically predicated on just having the

689
00:56:22.039 --> 00:56:25.440
best possible offense, Like I didn't
even care how good the pitching was.

690
00:56:25.559 --> 00:56:30.280
Is like, well, I will
roster some pictures and try to avoid like

691
00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:34.519
Triple A picture. But I'm gonna
draft like my first trend. Draft picks

692
00:56:34.519 --> 00:56:37.960
are all gonna be hitters. And
I love that team I had, like

693
00:56:37.599 --> 00:56:45.960
peak Albert Poohles and Evan Longoria and
Joe Mauer and I don't know, yeah,

694
00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:50.599
I just remember it very fondly.
It's interesting, like well first first

695
00:56:50.639 --> 00:56:54.239
bent. Just to correct the record, Carls Martinez was activated today. We

696
00:56:54.280 --> 00:57:01.440
have two pictures on our team.
Nice, So look out, King's League,

697
00:57:01.480 --> 00:57:05.639
We're coming for you. Um did
you guys see the dig that Nate

698
00:57:05.679 --> 00:57:13.159
put at us in his like email
telling like reminding people about the supplemental Yeah,

699
00:57:13.440 --> 00:57:16.800
Nate thinks that we uh Nate,
Nate Steven's former guest thinks that we

700
00:57:16.920 --> 00:57:22.559
might in fact be intentionally losing,
or at least the one of our team

701
00:57:22.639 --> 00:57:25.840
is bad by design, our one
in twenty one team maybe in the tank.

702
00:57:27.880 --> 00:57:30.400
I don't know, you know,
I can neither confirm nor deny.

703
00:57:30.880 --> 00:57:34.239
It's not like we've gone on play
to win each game. We tell our

704
00:57:34.280 --> 00:57:40.599
boys to go out there and try
their hardest, like a picture. Triple

705
00:57:40.639 --> 00:57:46.000
A has gone out there and given
his all, Damnita after game several times

706
00:57:46.800 --> 00:57:52.199
he's there and ready to go.
Um hang, I have one thing about

707
00:57:52.199 --> 00:57:58.039
that. I'm glad that we finally
got beyond the like, uh discussions about

708
00:57:58.079 --> 00:58:01.559
tanking, where like the implication was
that the players weren't trying. It's like,

709
00:58:01.599 --> 00:58:05.760
no, no, everybody realizes now, it's not the players that aren't

710
00:58:05.800 --> 00:58:12.559
trying, it's the management. It's
like every player that ever goes on the

711
00:58:12.559 --> 00:58:15.760
field is competitive and is always going
to try to win. And that's fine.

712
00:58:15.800 --> 00:58:17.719
That's why you put terrible players on
the field if you don't want to

713
00:58:17.719 --> 00:58:24.199
win. Sorry, no, that's
fine. Um, you haven't seen Major

714
00:58:24.280 --> 00:58:30.320
League so you mean it's the ownership. Do you want to move your team

715
00:58:30.360 --> 00:58:34.800
to? Is it Las Vegas?
It's been a very long time since I

716
00:58:34.880 --> 00:58:37.880
watched Major League Miami. This is
a thing Google, And you know,

717
00:58:37.920 --> 00:58:44.119
people are yelling at us if we
assuming we had listeners who haven't turned this

718
00:58:44.199 --> 00:58:49.159
off in protest yet, big assumption. But we turned off a protest.

719
00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:55.440
Why would this turn now? And
the pointism I make is they try to

720
00:58:55.760 --> 00:59:01.119
field intentionally terrible players, but they
ended up winning, sure because the players

721
00:59:01.519 --> 00:59:07.119
wanted to win. Oh my god, so many will win. He just

722
00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:14.920
knows how to win. Yet,
you fucking swarm more than the other team.

723
00:59:14.960 --> 00:59:20.079
It's the dumbest shit in the world. Sorry, yeah, so we

724
00:59:20.079 --> 00:59:22.079
are we are also caught between two
planes here. You know. I think

725
00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:29.480
we're a little disturbed by the changes
in offense and the slowing of the game,

726
00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:34.719
but we are also children of the
nineties and we take the long ball.

727
00:59:35.639 --> 00:59:40.039
Yeah, so, um, you
know a lot. We will be

728
00:59:40.079 --> 00:59:45.920
monitoring that going forward, as well
as eventually singles are removed from the game

729
00:59:46.039 --> 00:59:52.880
entirely and we just watch home in
Derby the platonic ideal. I think the

730
00:59:52.920 --> 00:59:59.119
Orioles are well set up for that
for that event. With with twenty three

731
00:59:59.159 --> 01:00:04.400
first baseman your roster. Didn't this
all start with you saying we are going

732
01:00:04.480 --> 01:00:08.400
to extend the best things we saw
a segment? Yeah? Yeah, okay,

733
01:00:08.559 --> 01:00:14.119
so the best thing I thought,
No, I mean okay, yeah,

734
01:00:14.199 --> 01:00:16.239
go ahead, Sorry, yeah that
was a baseball game. Yeah,

735
01:00:16.280 --> 01:00:27.239
okay, So the best thing I
saw this week was the launch of um

736
01:00:28.519 --> 01:00:34.599
non factor baseball game. The launch
of Imparatory Rome, which people either are

737
01:00:34.679 --> 01:00:42.400
cheering for or going including here.
For those who should not know. Imparatore

738
01:00:42.519 --> 01:00:49.599
Rome is a game from Paradox Studios. The developers who created such games as

739
01:00:49.599 --> 01:00:55.039
Crusader Kings two, Europa Universalist for
Stilarius and others. Essentially, these are

740
01:00:55.159 --> 01:01:04.719
giant paint the world war game games
slash development builders. If you have played

741
01:01:04.760 --> 01:01:09.880
Civilization you would be somewhat familiar with
the concept, and this one is set

742
01:01:09.920 --> 01:01:16.719
in the Roman era. Um.
So I watched it. Jared, who

743
01:01:16.760 --> 01:01:21.280
is also a fan of these games
and these type of games, watched it

744
01:01:21.679 --> 01:01:27.440
preview and Jared, what did you
think. I'm super excited. I need

745
01:01:27.440 --> 01:01:30.119
to buy it right now. I
need to be playing. I want to

746
01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:32.400
stop talking you guys and just start
playing this game. Yeah. I believe

747
01:01:32.440 --> 01:01:37.639
it is out this week um or
if not soon the embargo is lifted.

748
01:01:38.079 --> 01:01:45.079
It is. It is a delight. What makes what makes these games compelling

749
01:01:45.119 --> 01:01:47.280
to you? So? I don't
know which one is your favorite? Actually

750
01:01:47.800 --> 01:01:53.519
are you? That's a good question. I mean probably europe Universalis let's say,

751
01:01:54.519 --> 01:01:58.840
Okay, it depends for it's usually
just whicheveryone I played most recently.

752
01:02:00.280 --> 01:02:04.239
M yeah, so there. So
their Grand strategy games is sort of what

753
01:02:04.239 --> 01:02:07.599
they're described as, which means there's
all sorts of interlocking systems that you have

754
01:02:07.639 --> 01:02:12.480
to manage it. It's basically at
its core. It's just like a super

755
01:02:12.480 --> 01:02:16.320
big spreadsheet with lots of buttons and
knobs that you're twittling. So I like

756
01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:20.400
that. I don't know if you're
going for the sandbox aspect of it.

757
01:02:20.440 --> 01:02:22.480
For me, that's actually one of
the things that's hardest for me to get

758
01:02:22.480 --> 01:02:25.840
into. The sandbox aspect. It's
one of the cool things about the game,

759
01:02:27.400 --> 01:02:30.920
but I'm someone who tends to like
to be a little bit more directed

760
01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:32.639
in these sorts of games, so
it takes a wall for me to adjust

761
01:02:32.639 --> 01:02:36.519
to that. So for me,
it's just cool seeing how all the different

762
01:02:37.519 --> 01:02:43.480
systems interact with each other. Yeah, so you know, I do feel

763
01:02:43.519 --> 01:02:46.480
like you know, I do feel
like this is not so far afield from

764
01:02:46.519 --> 01:02:52.880
simulated baseball or even real baseball.
It's like a combination of interlocking systems.

765
01:02:52.920 --> 01:02:55.679
I think is the thing that is
compelling to both of us. I think

766
01:02:57.360 --> 01:03:04.960
what I like most is the narrative
where you're crazy king you know, I

767
01:03:05.039 --> 01:03:10.679
don't know, sends your rival to
the Ubliet and conquers another country, and

768
01:03:10.679 --> 01:03:14.519
then all of a sudden it's stricken
with small pox vers sins, which is

769
01:03:14.559 --> 01:03:17.000
why I'm a kind of crusader of
kings. Too fan at heart, just

770
01:03:17.079 --> 01:03:22.920
like marrying different people. Yeah,
exactly. So for me, it is

771
01:03:22.960 --> 01:03:27.440
always the combination of moving things on
the spreadsheet and a bunch of narrative stories

772
01:03:27.480 --> 01:03:30.480
about a bunch of random people,
which is exactly what I like about baseball,

773
01:03:35.119 --> 01:03:37.519
knowing way too much about like seven
hundreds and nine hundred people, some

774
01:03:37.559 --> 01:03:45.440
of whom may be fictional at any
one time. So this also sounds like

775
01:03:45.519 --> 01:03:49.920
everything I've ever heard you guys talk
about pop culture. So yeah, very

776
01:03:50.000 --> 01:03:58.880
much. But you know, I
think I think it's interesting because one of

777
01:03:58.920 --> 01:04:04.480
the things that is compelling to me
most about the Paradox type gains is their

778
01:04:04.639 --> 01:04:09.320
use of well, like you said, interlocking systems, and they have a

779
01:04:09.320 --> 01:04:13.639
lot of levers, and you know, I feel like, as you were

780
01:04:13.679 --> 01:04:18.280
saying earlier, I think in the
panic section even it's it's tough to find

781
01:04:18.920 --> 01:04:24.960
a lot of decision points in scoresheet, which I think is to some degree

782
01:04:24.960 --> 01:04:27.480
of benefit. It means you can
run more teams at once, it means

783
01:04:27.559 --> 01:04:31.760
you can have a more casual game
in season. But I do feel like

784
01:04:31.800 --> 01:04:39.239
something of that is missing from the
game is would you agree, Yeah,

785
01:04:39.280 --> 01:04:42.679
I agree that I think that's something
we've talked about this year just in general.

786
01:04:42.920 --> 01:04:46.360
I think I think that definitely depends
on the context that you're coming from,

787
01:04:46.559 --> 01:04:50.039
right, because like if you're coming
from Rhodo or something like that,

788
01:04:51.039 --> 01:04:57.079
then scoresheet feels like there's a lot
of lovers to pull in some ways.

789
01:04:57.159 --> 01:05:02.280
I think Rhodo's waiver wire allows for
compulsion a little bit more that kind of

790
01:05:02.320 --> 01:05:08.639
day to day Yeah, it's um
roster machinations. But I guess my impression

791
01:05:08.639 --> 01:05:12.440
of what you were talking about in
terms of lovers was more like in game

792
01:05:12.480 --> 01:05:18.239
strategy or I guess like big picture
roster changes, trades and stuff like that.

793
01:05:18.920 --> 01:05:21.639
Yeah, I think, to me, I feel like my ideal game

794
01:05:21.719 --> 01:05:27.239
marries the two. Yeah, that's
just reality or outside the park, I

795
01:05:27.280 --> 01:05:32.639
guess, out of the park,
right, and then it's impacted by the

796
01:05:32.679 --> 01:05:38.639
current year, which out of the
park is not so the exit my ideal

797
01:05:38.639 --> 01:05:41.840
game does not exist on the market
right now, I would say not yet,

798
01:05:42.679 --> 01:05:47.639
not yet, But but you know, it was because I just watching

799
01:05:47.679 --> 01:05:50.599
that and I was like, oh, this is just fun to me,

800
01:05:51.679 --> 01:05:56.000
this type of game, and you
know, I don't know where I would

801
01:05:56.000 --> 01:06:00.239
start, and somewhere in grace,
I don't know, I did like we

802
01:06:00.280 --> 01:06:03.239
watched we both watched a start in
Crete. I feel like Crete was a

803
01:06:03.239 --> 01:06:10.480
great place to spend your four hundreds. AD. Yeah, well that's I

804
01:06:10.480 --> 01:06:14.840
mean, that's a stereotypical kind of
europe universal. It's starting point, just

805
01:06:14.840 --> 01:06:18.480
like an isolated place where you can
take over. Is that like starting risk

806
01:06:18.519 --> 01:06:24.400
in Australia? It is. Yeah, it's Australia, And I guess,

807
01:06:24.440 --> 01:06:26.800
yeah, just to declare for one
point in Arli or not they're going to

808
01:06:26.840 --> 01:06:30.760
get too deep into paradox interactive games. But these games they tend not to

809
01:06:30.840 --> 01:06:35.920
be a say, specific winning condition. Um, like how in sieve there's

810
01:06:36.320 --> 01:06:41.519
nowadays there's you know, six or
seven ways you can win in this game.

811
01:06:41.559 --> 01:06:45.079
You don't really win so much as
you get a start wherever you want

812
01:06:45.119 --> 01:06:46.639
and sort of whatever province you want, and you can sort of make your

813
01:06:46.639 --> 01:06:50.480
goal whatever you want it to be. Um, which, like I said,

814
01:06:50.480 --> 01:06:53.719
that's what took me a little bit
to get into it. But it's

815
01:06:53.760 --> 01:06:58.239
kind of an interesting approach to a
game. Same you know it it is.

816
01:06:58.679 --> 01:07:02.159
It does feel like something when I
enjoy it. It is more in

817
01:07:02.199 --> 01:07:06.039
the vein of baseball, like a
thing that watches over me without a like

818
01:07:06.119 --> 01:07:11.239
specific goal in mind, possibly because
I don't have a team that I root

819
01:07:11.320 --> 01:07:14.800
for more or less, so I
just kind of, you know it is.

820
01:07:15.239 --> 01:07:19.159
I do kind of watch baseball as
like an observation World Builder kind of

821
01:07:19.679 --> 01:07:25.920
scenario in general that I very little
impact on. I guess Dared you had

822
01:07:25.960 --> 01:07:32.679
more rooting interest, but also doesn't
really result in, like you set your

823
01:07:32.679 --> 01:07:39.760
own goals in base That's what I'm
saying. That's sir, so just to

824
01:07:39.840 --> 01:07:48.880
keep from going crazy, yeah,
but very compelling. I certainly recommend at

825
01:07:48.960 --> 01:07:56.000
least watching UM. If this at
all intrigues you, you can watch the

826
01:07:56.400 --> 01:08:06.360
creaked opening or search for many a
true nerd um up imparadoor Rome on YouTube.

827
01:08:08.000 --> 01:08:14.800
I highly recommend that as a intro
to the game UM and to give

828
01:08:14.840 --> 01:08:20.800
it a try and maybe buy it
for us. I don't know. I'm

829
01:08:20.840 --> 01:08:24.760
not gonna start up We're not gonna
start up Patreon, but we'll start to

830
01:08:24.840 --> 01:08:29.199
go fund me for Ian to have
new video games. And as I as

831
01:08:29.199 --> 01:08:32.680
I consumer video games, but not
games like these. I think that's fair

832
01:08:32.720 --> 01:08:38.840
to say, right, Sure,
I'm I'm interested by games like this.

833
01:08:38.960 --> 01:08:43.319
I just feel like it's like I
would play this game to play with you

834
01:08:43.359 --> 01:08:46.399
guys, probably more than anything else. So and I I don't know.

835
01:08:46.399 --> 01:08:49.760
I've told Jared a few times,
like I'm willing to get into it.

836
01:08:49.760 --> 01:08:53.840
It sounds like there's definitely a learning
curve though, so it's like, uh,

837
01:08:55.560 --> 01:08:58.159
you know, Red, Like I
should clarify, I do not know

838
01:08:58.199 --> 01:09:00.159
how to play any of these games. I do play, though, I

839
01:09:00.199 --> 01:09:05.560
just don't know how because there are
so many systems. And yeah, the

840
01:09:05.640 --> 01:09:10.800
learning curve to play it well is
staggering. I might someone who has not

841
01:09:10.920 --> 01:09:15.359
advanced up that curve at all.
It's I mean, like you can read

842
01:09:15.359 --> 01:09:16.880
on these forms of people like tugging, like how many hundreds of hours you

843
01:09:16.880 --> 01:09:19.920
have to play before you have like
a basic grasp of what you're doing?

844
01:09:20.520 --> 01:09:28.840
Interesting? It might be difficult,
but yeah, yeah that sounds interesting.

845
01:09:28.880 --> 01:09:35.079
It sounds like it's like the sims
on Supersteroids. Yeah, with a few

846
01:09:35.119 --> 01:09:48.039
more like cheval Rick Knights mhmm,
more death, slightly more incessed, depending

847
01:09:48.079 --> 01:09:56.760
on how you want to play.
I guess that's weird. Okay, yeah,

848
01:09:56.039 --> 01:10:00.880
it definitely. Um, you definitely
have to set up your own value

849
01:10:00.880 --> 01:10:06.960
system and arrange it to the Middle
Ages or um, you know, I

850
01:10:08.000 --> 01:10:13.079
guess in this case, feudal or
you know, Republic of Rome and the

851
01:10:13.239 --> 01:10:19.479
probably grace because certainly I would say
some of the some of the actions that

852
01:10:19.520 --> 01:10:26.319
you take are not ideal for twenty
nineteen has chromatic Oh dear, I know

853
01:10:26.520 --> 01:10:31.439
I would probably struggle with that.
Yep, okay, okay, but you

854
01:10:31.439 --> 01:10:34.560
don't have to. You just have
to pay the cost so you can you

855
01:10:34.560 --> 01:10:43.159
can set the society you want,
so you know there there is something interesting

856
01:10:43.199 --> 01:10:46.640
to that as well. Um.
Meanwhile, while we were building society,

857
01:10:47.199 --> 01:10:49.680
Ben, you also had the best
thing that you saw this week, right,

858
01:10:49.760 --> 01:10:55.600
Yeah. I wouldn't saw Hamilton in
Detroit because that's the place that you

859
01:10:55.680 --> 01:11:00.439
go if you live in suburban Michigan
to see Hamilton. Um. I went

860
01:11:00.479 --> 01:11:03.960
with my wife and her parents.
It was it was great. I don't

861
01:11:04.840 --> 01:11:09.880
I don't go to the theater a
ton. I probably am like on the

862
01:11:09.920 --> 01:11:15.680
low end of the spectrum in terms
of people that appreciate live theater. I

863
01:11:15.680 --> 01:11:18.399
guess we could get into why that
probably is if we wanted to, but

864
01:11:18.760 --> 01:11:26.119
irrelevant. I really enjoyed it,
and I think for me it was especially

865
01:11:26.119 --> 01:11:30.279
gratifying because when Hamilton's first burst on
the scene and was, you know,

866
01:11:30.399 --> 01:11:35.479
super popular, I was coaching college
ultimate frisbee, and a bunch of the

867
01:11:35.479 --> 01:11:42.079
players on the team were super into
Hamilton's. So I had heard the whole

868
01:11:42.079 --> 01:11:46.079
soundtrack and a few of the songs
a good several dozen times before I ever

869
01:11:46.520 --> 01:11:50.680
wanted to, And so there are
like some things that I was familiar with,

870
01:11:51.800 --> 01:11:56.680
but it was so much different seeing
it in person. Of course.

871
01:11:56.720 --> 01:12:00.199
You know, It's like I don't
think I appreciated going into it, how

872
01:12:00.279 --> 01:12:06.640
much more immersually have been entertaining,
and you know, just awesome, how

873
01:12:06.720 --> 01:12:11.720
much more awesome it would be to
experience it in person. So it was

874
01:12:11.760 --> 01:12:15.159
great. So I encourage everybody to
go. I also was thinking about this

875
01:12:15.239 --> 01:12:19.000
in terms of like my daughter,
because now this is how I think of

876
01:12:19.239 --> 01:12:24.199
almost everything. It's like everything is
reframed through this. And I don't know

877
01:12:24.239 --> 01:12:26.279
if you remember, Jared, but
when we were in grade school, I

878
01:12:26.279 --> 01:12:30.239
think we went and saw lay Miss. Do you remember going to see ley

879
01:12:30.279 --> 01:12:34.560
Miss? I do not. Where
did we see it? Like Kennedy Center?

880
01:12:34.880 --> 01:12:38.880
Yeah, maybe I don't remember where
it was, to be honest,

881
01:12:38.880 --> 01:12:43.520
and it could have been that,
it could have been that it wasn't when

882
01:12:43.520 --> 01:12:48.039
we were in school together. But
I have this like lasting memory of seeing

883
01:12:48.119 --> 01:12:56.560
ley Miss in grade school, and
to me that marked ley Miss as like

884
01:12:58.159 --> 01:13:01.560
the musical you know, like especially
as like a kid that wasn't into musical

885
01:13:01.600 --> 01:13:09.239
theater. L Miss was like the
be all end off for musicals because it

886
01:13:09.359 --> 01:13:13.520
was the one that I most vividly
remembered seeing in person, that was like

887
01:13:13.560 --> 01:13:17.159
the most impressive when I saw it, the one who's like songs I actually

888
01:13:17.760 --> 01:13:23.800
still know a little bit of,
despite you know, basically never going out

889
01:13:23.800 --> 01:13:27.960
of my way to listen to LMS
songs. And I figured Hamilton has to

890
01:13:28.000 --> 01:13:34.039
be that for like our kid's generation, right, Like, like it seems

891
01:13:34.079 --> 01:13:42.680
like it's going to be not just
a short term sort of thing, right,

892
01:13:42.680 --> 01:13:46.000
It's going to be like an enduring
thing. That's my sense of it.

893
01:13:46.159 --> 01:13:50.279
I don't know, right, I
think the same way Rant was,

894
01:13:50.359 --> 01:13:56.680
but even more durable. Let's say, sure, well, I guess I

895
01:13:56.680 --> 01:14:00.680
will have to defer to you because
I don't know anything about Rand. They're

896
01:14:00.680 --> 01:14:10.479
not going to pay it. That's
like Benny's a hero through Mark all right,

897
01:14:10.640 --> 01:14:14.439
Sorry, getting all my rent hot
takes. Out? Um, Yeah,

898
01:14:14.479 --> 01:14:17.600
I saw, I know what you
mean. I saw, And I

899
01:14:17.640 --> 01:14:21.279
think I actually mentioned this on the
podcast once, so I will not tell

900
01:14:21.319 --> 01:14:28.520
the story to bore any long time
listeners. But um, I saw Hamilton

901
01:14:29.920 --> 01:14:33.520
relatively early on, which is a
benefit of being in New York and interested

902
01:14:33.560 --> 01:14:38.279
in theater. You know, I
missed it in the public theater, unfortunately,

903
01:14:39.319 --> 01:14:41.399
but I did. I did get
to see it with the original cast,

904
01:14:41.720 --> 01:14:45.000
which was very fortunate. And I
also got to see it cold without

905
01:14:45.000 --> 01:14:49.680
having heard any of the songs.
UM. How familiar were you with like

906
01:14:49.800 --> 01:14:59.239
the personal history of Alexander Hamilton ten
dollar Bill Duel broad Strokes going in?

907
01:14:59.359 --> 01:15:01.800
Yeah, you know, I think, I know, I probably knew a

908
01:15:01.800 --> 01:15:05.319
little bit more than average, just
based on you know, me being interested

909
01:15:05.319 --> 01:15:09.239
in history, but I had not
read the biography and I was not okay,

910
01:15:10.920 --> 01:15:13.600
I was. I was not super
into that. UM. And I

911
01:15:13.920 --> 01:15:17.359
had also seen In The Heights and
so I you know, I knew of

912
01:15:17.439 --> 01:15:23.000
Lynn Manuel Miranda. I did like
In The Heights, but I wasn't over

913
01:15:23.039 --> 01:15:28.119
the moon about it, um.
And you know, I saw it at

914
01:15:28.159 --> 01:15:33.119
the point where it was already like
massively hyped. UM. But I think

915
01:15:33.159 --> 01:15:39.520
before it hit the culture in that
same way. And you know, walking

916
01:15:39.520 --> 01:15:43.239
in like I don't know, there's
a little bit where there's so much expectation

917
01:15:43.279 --> 01:15:46.880
on something and you're like, okay, impressed me show. Yeah, And

918
01:15:46.920 --> 01:15:55.720
then I went there and I saw
it and it was like magical. It

919
01:15:55.760 --> 01:16:00.039
was transcendent, and I remember there
was a point I was like, I

920
01:16:00.079 --> 01:16:02.600
just like tears came to my eye, Like I couldn't believe I like something

921
01:16:02.640 --> 01:16:12.359
this beautiful existed in the world.
And I will tell you exactly is when,

922
01:16:12.560 --> 01:16:15.479
um it is when the Skylar Sisters
are out there thinking about New York

923
01:16:15.760 --> 01:16:17.960
and I was like, oh,
this is this is amazing, this is

924
01:16:18.000 --> 01:16:23.880
like legitimately. Um, that was
now when I would have guessed that tears

925
01:16:23.880 --> 01:16:27.680
came to your eyes, but no, it was, well, it's always

926
01:16:27.680 --> 01:16:33.159
about how amazing New York is my
bed, but now it's that combination of

927
01:16:33.479 --> 01:16:39.279
like, uh, you know,
I think Beyonce and US history just really

928
01:16:39.399 --> 01:16:44.359
did it for me, um,
because you know, it was just a

929
01:16:44.560 --> 01:16:49.680
version of America that felt like it
included me, you know, and I

930
01:16:49.760 --> 01:16:55.520
say like not obviously, um,
not a personal color, but you know,

931
01:16:55.560 --> 01:17:00.199
my grandparents came over on a boat
not too long ago. You know,

932
01:17:00.800 --> 01:17:04.880
the stories of America. Like I'm
pretty late in the game on that,

933
01:17:05.319 --> 01:17:10.760
and you know, I feel like
there are a lot of people in

934
01:17:10.920 --> 01:17:19.159
America who don't like super appreciate being
here, don't see it, you know,

935
01:17:19.239 --> 01:17:23.800
don't see that as like and the
things I value as being important.

936
01:17:24.439 --> 01:17:28.880
And sometimes it's hard to feel,
you know, it's hard to feel like

937
01:17:28.960 --> 01:17:34.239
an American when the phrase American is
tied up with so many things that are

938
01:17:38.560 --> 01:17:45.359
you know, that feel intentionally designed
to alienate you. And to have a

939
01:17:45.399 --> 01:17:56.720
true American story and experience that helps
me understand it really was like a I

940
01:17:56.760 --> 01:18:01.840
would say, the most American I've
ever felt in that month. And that's

941
01:18:01.880 --> 01:18:09.960
interesting. Yeah, it didn't.
It didn't strike me in a patriotic way,

942
01:18:10.039 --> 01:18:15.479
but I think that's probably my own
personal shortcoming, Like I don't.

943
01:18:16.840 --> 01:18:21.399
I think it's just like a difference
in the way that I think of my

944
01:18:21.600 --> 01:18:27.239
patriotism or whatever. I don't know, whatever how you want to describe that.

945
01:18:27.359 --> 01:18:33.720
Maybe patriotisms even the wrong word anyway, Yeah, interesting, Yeah,

946
01:18:33.760 --> 01:18:41.880
And you know, I think like
time dulls the impact of even the greatest

947
01:18:42.039 --> 01:18:46.399
of musicals. Sure, Like you
know, I think Lams was incredibly powerful

948
01:18:46.399 --> 01:18:51.159
when it came out, and I
would say, La midstill whole somehow,

949
01:18:51.279 --> 01:18:59.039
but you know, eventually everything feels
like Harisel or you know that, and

950
01:18:59.279 --> 01:19:02.319
I feel that happened to Hallton,
like these songs are becoming standards, and

951
01:19:03.479 --> 01:19:09.039
you know, I feel like on
some level it will not have the immediacy

952
01:19:10.439 --> 01:19:14.159
that it does or like Rent,
which feels like a museum piece at this

953
01:19:14.239 --> 01:19:20.560
point, I wasn't such a fan
contemporaneously, but like it struggles to hold

954
01:19:20.640 --> 01:19:27.399
up. But you know, I
think on some level, just I don't

955
01:19:27.439 --> 01:19:32.399
know that it will impact other people
the way it did me then, But

956
01:19:33.359 --> 01:19:40.720
like you said, I think it's
going to have a tremendous just this tremendous

957
01:19:40.840 --> 01:19:47.399
like cultural dominance. I think it
will be the story of the aughts,

958
01:19:47.479 --> 01:19:54.880
and you know, they some like
weaving an American tale. Eventually, the

959
01:19:54.920 --> 01:19:59.319
movie will come out in a decade, and you know, substitute teachers will

960
01:19:59.319 --> 01:20:04.319
put it on the same way.
I watched seventeen seventy six the musical,

961
01:20:04.520 --> 01:20:15.199
which is, by the way,
pretty great. I highly recommend seventeen seventy

962
01:20:15.199 --> 01:20:20.039
six. It is wacky, um
there and there there is a seventeen seventy

963
01:20:20.039 --> 01:20:26.279
six call out by the way,
in h Hamilton. So really yeah,

964
01:20:26.279 --> 01:20:31.000
it's a combination of like musical theater, modern hip hop and like uh improv

965
01:20:32.199 --> 01:20:36.560
and it was really like placed just
right at the core of my being.

966
01:20:36.880 --> 01:20:42.159
So I did appreciate that. But
yeah, again, like saying go to

967
01:20:42.199 --> 01:20:46.199
Hamilton is almost tautological, like everyone
knows that, but it really is a

968
01:20:46.279 --> 01:20:51.079
special thing, like if you are
in the position where you can consider it.

969
01:20:51.479 --> 01:21:00.159
Yeah, um, yeah, a
great Glen's seen it. Yeah,

970
01:21:00.439 --> 01:21:04.399
I'm a terrible person. I am
polish. Have you have you heard any

971
01:21:04.439 --> 01:21:09.399
of the soundtrack? I've actually avoided
it for the most part. I mean

972
01:21:09.479 --> 01:21:12.079
I'm not going to say I've never
heard any bit of Hamworthoni that's not true,

973
01:21:12.119 --> 01:21:14.960
but I mean partially intentionally, so
I haven't listened to it, right,

974
01:21:15.000 --> 01:21:19.520
I agree, you know, it's
interesting, like the soundtrack was definitely

975
01:21:19.520 --> 01:21:25.520
released in order to get the musical
in front of everybody, so I think,

976
01:21:26.239 --> 01:21:28.960
you know, very intentionally it is
a song opera, the same way

977
01:21:29.199 --> 01:21:35.800
m le mass in order to be
understandable end to end. So it's like

978
01:21:35.840 --> 01:21:41.600
a complete experience that way. But
yeah, I am personally happy that I

979
01:21:41.640 --> 01:21:45.119
did not see it. But I
think Ben, like you said, I

980
01:21:45.159 --> 01:21:48.039
think you can have experienced it and
then see it and still feels different.

981
01:21:48.119 --> 01:21:53.000
Right. Well, yeah, and
I guess maybe this is just me.

982
01:21:53.039 --> 01:21:57.520
And again I'm fully willing to accept
that I experienced musical theater much different than

983
01:21:57.560 --> 01:22:02.880
others. But I don't think I
got the meaning from listening to the soundtrack

984
01:22:03.640 --> 01:22:11.600
in any way the same like magnitude
as I did from like seeing the performance.

985
01:22:13.399 --> 01:22:15.760
Yeah, I would say the same
thing, you know, having watched

986
01:22:16.159 --> 01:22:21.439
or like the other order. Um, they stand alone. But yeah,

987
01:22:21.439 --> 01:22:26.439
I do um, Jared, I
hope it comes to DC at some point.

988
01:22:27.119 --> 01:22:33.720
It has, I'm kidding. Yeah, I mean, it's certainly you

989
01:22:33.760 --> 01:22:41.680
know, um, it ain't cheap
probably anywhere, and it's definitely a decision

990
01:22:41.680 --> 01:22:47.319
that you have to make. But
I do also concur it's pretty pretty great,

991
01:22:47.560 --> 01:22:51.520
Jared. What musical do you recommend
instead? Guys and Dolls? Guys

992
01:22:51.520 --> 01:22:55.880
and Dolls that's pretty solid too.
I love Guys and Dolls so much.

993
01:22:58.840 --> 01:23:00.520
No, I mean, I don't
know, I haven't. Part of it

994
01:23:00.560 --> 01:23:02.800
was the price part of it.
It's just been so hyped that like,

995
01:23:02.920 --> 01:23:04.640
I don't want to. I feel
like if I saw it now, I

996
01:23:04.640 --> 01:23:08.079
would not like it, and I
don't want to do that. Yeah,

997
01:23:08.439 --> 01:23:12.319
I don't know how to mitigate that, but it's very it's very very tricky

998
01:23:12.840 --> 01:23:18.199
um, because like it. I
think it was one of the things that

999
01:23:18.279 --> 01:23:21.359
actually stood up to it for me. But the hype at this point is

1000
01:23:21.359 --> 01:23:28.840
so it's so tough that I don't
know that anything can withstand that. Yeah,

1001
01:23:28.920 --> 01:23:32.159
but um, you know if if, if you are in the right

1002
01:23:32.760 --> 01:23:36.720
frame of mind, I don't know. At some point, Um I do.

1003
01:23:38.079 --> 01:23:41.640
I do recommend seeing it on the
sooner side, just again, like

1004
01:23:42.319 --> 01:23:47.159
to with the power of the moment
just dissipates over time. Yeah, that's

1005
01:23:47.199 --> 01:23:50.600
fair. Yeah, I think those
concerns or whatever that you were describing aren't

1006
01:23:50.600 --> 01:23:58.319
going to get better as time passes. So yeah, like like your hesitation

1007
01:23:58.479 --> 01:24:01.279
is only going to grow. It's
like, well, I guess it's okay

1008
01:24:01.279 --> 01:24:04.239
to say you're never gonna see it
if that's I mean, I want to

1009
01:24:04.239 --> 01:24:06.439
see it, but also I don't
want to spend like two hundred dollars to

1010
01:24:06.479 --> 01:24:09.840
go in being like, oh,
I'm just not gonna like this because it's

1011
01:24:09.840 --> 01:24:16.520
not as good as I wanted to
be. M Okay, Yeah, my

1012
01:24:16.560 --> 01:24:24.159
thoughts about that are too lengthy to
continue to talk about. See you next

1013
01:24:24.159 --> 01:24:28.439
week and report back. Um,
let's do all right, So, Jared,

1014
01:24:28.640 --> 01:24:30.279
what is the best thing you saw
this week. Oh man, we

1015
01:24:30.319 --> 01:24:36.840
can. That's all three of us
stop for eight this week? Yes,

1016
01:24:38.079 --> 01:24:44.239
so we uh it's pass Over.
We did our saders and pass Over is

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01:24:44.279 --> 01:24:47.199
my least favorite and most favorite holiday. I think least favorite and because I

1018
01:24:47.199 --> 01:24:49.399
can't eat anything, I like all
the stuff. I like the you can

1019
01:24:49.600 --> 01:24:53.399
a pass over it's awful when I
hate it. But the sad there's are

1020
01:24:53.399 --> 01:24:56.840
always a lot of fun. And
in particular our Sadiers because my brothers and

1021
01:24:56.880 --> 01:25:01.880
I have edited are hagatta Um.
It's the blend of things that we like

1022
01:25:01.960 --> 01:25:08.279
in hagata Um. So it starts
off with a song to the theme of

1023
01:25:08.399 --> 01:25:13.479
the Muppet Show, and um my
dad has introduced finger puppets into a couple

1024
01:25:13.560 --> 01:25:17.439
parts of the thing. So I
mean we get like the good parts starts.

1025
01:25:17.479 --> 01:25:20.520
But yeah, it's like it's a
fun time. This year. This

1026
01:25:20.600 --> 01:25:24.920
year, we um, we actually
wandered around the desert, so like we

1027
01:25:24.920 --> 01:25:27.199
got up out of the table and
wander around our house like we're water around

1028
01:25:27.199 --> 01:25:28.960
the jets. So it was fun. It was a good time. I

1029
01:25:28.960 --> 01:25:34.560
always like saders. I like that
you lark your saders. We just ad

1030
01:25:35.039 --> 01:25:39.359
this year and I highly recommend it. Okay, anyway, I also really

1031
01:25:39.359 --> 01:25:42.720
like it because usually our stadiers are
pretty like big saders and usually invite lots

1032
01:25:42.760 --> 01:25:45.600
of like nan jush people and just
sort of shared with them. This year,

1033
01:25:45.720 --> 01:25:48.800
you know, for family stuff,
we just kept it. We kept

1034
01:25:48.800 --> 01:25:51.159
it really small, which was fine, but it was nice to just type

1035
01:25:51.199 --> 01:25:57.119
I went together anyway. Um.
The the other best part of the sader

1036
01:25:57.239 --> 01:26:00.199
is the food, because my mom
always cooks really good food, and even

1037
01:26:00.199 --> 01:26:03.079
though pass they were as awful,
the FRUGI makes the first couple of nights

1038
01:26:03.119 --> 01:26:12.239
are good. But this year we
were blessed to add some brisket courtesy of

1039
01:26:12.880 --> 01:26:16.279
Ben. So thank you Ben,
who sent us brisket from Franklin, Austin.

1040
01:26:16.680 --> 01:26:20.399
And we've all been there in person, but I think we can all

1041
01:26:20.439 --> 01:26:26.720
attest that frozen and then reheated Franklin
holds up. Yeah. I was gonna

1042
01:26:26.760 --> 01:26:31.000
say, like, it's surprisingly close
to what it's like having it at the

1043
01:26:31.039 --> 01:26:35.800
restaurant, right like like when I
first heard of this. So this is

1044
01:26:35.840 --> 01:26:42.960
the second time I've partaken of the
cooked and then vacuum sealed and then recooked

1045
01:26:43.560 --> 01:26:46.600
or reheated I guess brisket. Like
the first time, I was like,

1046
01:26:46.800 --> 01:26:49.920
uh, it's so good. That
like, even if it weren't as good,

1047
01:26:50.319 --> 01:26:54.399
it would still be worth it.
But it was better than I was

1048
01:26:54.479 --> 01:26:58.800
expecting. I don't know, was
that your experience to Jared? Yeah,

1049
01:26:58.840 --> 01:27:01.239
no, I agree completely. Brisket
is something that my family takes very seriously.

1050
01:27:01.319 --> 01:27:04.279
It has driven us apart. My
mom a couple of years ago made

1051
01:27:04.279 --> 01:27:08.760
two different kinds of brisket and I
liked one. My brother's like the other

1052
01:27:08.840 --> 01:27:12.119
version, and like, this is
something that comes up many times over the

1053
01:27:12.119 --> 01:27:14.640
course of the year about how I
like the run brisket, Like it's a

1054
01:27:14.680 --> 01:27:20.039
brisket is a serious thing in my
family. So we had it the first

1055
01:27:20.119 --> 01:27:25.319
night and there were zero complaints about
the brisket, which is just something that

1056
01:27:25.359 --> 01:27:29.199
does not happen in my family.
We complain about everything. So I don't

1057
01:27:29.199 --> 01:27:31.279
know how it happened, but yes, everyone everyone liked it, and I

1058
01:27:31.319 --> 01:27:34.600
agree it held up really well.
I was super worried and it was really

1059
01:27:34.640 --> 01:27:39.640
tasty. Yeah, there's an aspect
to it, which is like Hamilton,

1060
01:27:40.600 --> 01:27:45.239
which is that when we all went
to Franklin barbecue it. If you have

1061
01:27:45.279 --> 01:27:47.399
not heard of it, you know
you can google it. If you have

1062
01:27:47.479 --> 01:27:50.880
heard of it, you probably heard
of the massive hype behind it, and

1063
01:27:51.000 --> 01:27:56.439
you're like, oh, this thing
cannot possibly stand up to this level of

1064
01:27:56.520 --> 01:27:59.760
hype, like everyone telling you,
oh, this is the best thing I

1065
01:27:59.760 --> 01:28:01.359
ever, and they were like,
okay, well I'll prove it. Yeah.

1066
01:28:01.399 --> 01:28:06.319
And then when you go to these
things that are massively hyped and they

1067
01:28:06.359 --> 01:28:11.199
turn out to actually be the best
thing ever, Yeah, it's like actually

1068
01:28:11.239 --> 01:28:17.520
exceed your expectations somehow. It's like
magic. You're like, oh yeah,

1069
01:28:17.560 --> 01:28:21.199
and like, you know, at
least the way Jared and I experienced it,

1070
01:28:21.239 --> 01:28:25.520
we were on a road trip through
Texas and we had spent the week

1071
01:28:26.840 --> 01:28:32.720
I won't say like exclusively, but
massively eating brisket, each one, you

1072
01:28:32.800 --> 01:28:38.520
know, better and better. Honestly, like where East Coast kids, this

1073
01:28:38.640 --> 01:28:42.439
was all the best brisket in our
lives, I think, right, yeah,

1074
01:28:42.479 --> 01:28:47.000
I mean Mom's brisket aside of course, yeah naturally, but yeah,

1075
01:28:47.000 --> 01:28:51.560
like without question. And then you
know you're like, well, how much

1076
01:28:51.600 --> 01:28:55.279
better can this be? Like why
are people waiting six and a half hours

1077
01:28:55.279 --> 01:29:00.359
for this brisket? And then you
go and you're like, oh, because

1078
01:29:00.399 --> 01:29:05.640
it's so much better everything else,
which until today I thought was like mind

1079
01:29:05.640 --> 01:29:11.039
blowing. Yeah. I think it's
because I like food more than I like

1080
01:29:11.159 --> 01:29:15.279
musical theater, but Franklin's was definitely
a bigger deal for me than Hamilton.

1081
01:29:17.079 --> 01:29:20.239
It was like, and the way
that I first experienced Franklins was like,

1082
01:29:20.760 --> 01:29:25.840
you're gonna get up freaking early on
a Saturday because your buddy wants to do

1083
01:29:25.880 --> 01:29:28.800
this thing. And if we're being
honest, the buddy that we're doing it

1084
01:29:28.840 --> 01:29:31.520
for is not known for having great
ideas about stuff. So I was like

1085
01:29:31.640 --> 01:29:36.720
very skeptical and it turned out awesome
and it was like, Wow, that

1086
01:29:36.840 --> 01:29:42.680
was even better than I expected it
would be, which I guess was true

1087
01:29:42.680 --> 01:29:46.359
for Hamilton too, But I really
like that parallels the fun parallel. Yeah.

1088
01:29:46.399 --> 01:29:50.119
And by the way, if you
are ever going to Austin and you

1089
01:29:50.159 --> 01:29:54.039
are a meat eater, if you
if you're a vegetarian, I am so

1090
01:29:54.119 --> 01:30:00.439
sorry there's nothing for you. But
if you if you are a meeting my

1091
01:30:00.880 --> 01:30:03.960
one Frankly barbecue hack, which is
a little easier than it used to be,

1092
01:30:05.000 --> 01:30:09.800
just order online. Yeah, you
will spend too much. You will

1093
01:30:09.800 --> 01:30:15.239
get too much back. You can
bring it back with you in a you

1094
01:30:15.239 --> 01:30:18.800
know, on the plane, but
um, even spending too much on brisket

1095
01:30:18.960 --> 01:30:24.239
is not a ridiculous price for let's
say, a nice meal anywhere else and

1096
01:30:24.520 --> 01:30:30.399
you just get to skip the line. I generally agree with that, but

1097
01:30:30.479 --> 01:30:34.319
I do think that there's something to
the line experience. And if you listen

1098
01:30:34.439 --> 01:30:38.880
to I don't even what podcast that
was, you send us a podcast link

1099
01:30:38.960 --> 01:30:44.520
to Aaron Frankston actually talking about this
with David Chang. Yeah, yeah,

1100
01:30:44.560 --> 01:30:48.680
he talks about it, but you
know, part of part of what he's

1101
01:30:48.720 --> 01:30:54.960
about is the like experience of being
there and like the waiting in line and

1102
01:30:55.039 --> 01:30:58.600
being with the other people that are
waiting in line, and that that shared

1103
01:30:58.720 --> 01:31:04.439
experience aspect to it is definitely part
of what he's about. So I guess

1104
01:31:04.479 --> 01:31:08.680
if you do order online, try
to go early enough that there's still going

1105
01:31:08.720 --> 01:31:15.560
to be people like outside waiting and
maybe just imagine what that is like.

1106
01:31:15.640 --> 01:31:19.800
Yeah, what I am about is
life hacks well, And so I mean,

1107
01:31:19.840 --> 01:31:23.359
I totally agree with you that generally
it's a better use of your time

1108
01:31:23.399 --> 01:31:27.800
to order online. That's what I
did this time, but I didn't even

1109
01:31:27.800 --> 01:31:31.079
personally go and pick it up.
I had I had help, fortunately from

1110
01:31:31.119 --> 01:31:34.479
somebody that was willing to go and
pick it up for me. So I

1111
01:31:34.520 --> 01:31:40.319
didn't I'm very much a hypocrite in
this regard, but I think that like

1112
01:31:41.560 --> 01:31:45.119
part of the experience is that being
there. But yeah, if you,

1113
01:31:45.560 --> 01:31:50.199
if you can have brisket, I
think all three of us would highly recommend

1114
01:31:50.640 --> 01:31:54.640
in touring Coston and doing this once
in your life, making a pilgrimage.

1115
01:31:57.439 --> 01:32:01.399
Yeah, all right, anything else? Did we for everything this week?

1116
01:32:04.720 --> 01:32:09.600
Sure to join us again next week
or two weeks for whatever. This is

1117
01:32:11.479 --> 01:32:14.880
scoresy plus. We told you,
we told you this was going to go

1118
01:32:14.920 --> 01:32:19.800
this way. Yeah uh, and
it has um Email us your thoughts or

1119
01:32:19.960 --> 01:32:26.520
questions about your scoresy team Hamilton and
or life at scores at Baseball Perspectives dot

1120
01:32:26.560 --> 01:32:29.760
com. We would love to hear
from you. We'll definitely talk more about

1121
01:32:29.760 --> 01:32:33.159
baseball if we get more questions.
Yeah, oh boy, that's either a

1122
01:32:33.199 --> 01:32:42.119
threat or a promise. That's very
true. Why not both? All right?

1123
01:32:42.560 --> 01:32:45.800
On that note on behalf of Ben
Murphy and Jared Wise, I am

1124
01:32:45.840 --> 01:32:47.199
eating leftwitz. Thanks again, and
have a great day.