WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:03.960 I started getting this feeling of something wasn't right. It just didn't at the 2 00:00:03.960 --> 00:00:06.719 whole. There was just it didn't feel right that day, and I kept 3 00:00:06.759 --> 00:00:09.640 getting something kind of repeating my mind, you know, you shouldn't be here, 4 00:00:09.679 --> 00:00:11.960 you shouldn't be here. So I get to the peak of the mountain 5 00:00:11.960 --> 00:00:14.560 and it stopped for a minute, just to try to take it all in. 6 00:00:14.759 --> 00:00:17.760 And the first thing I noticed was just how quiet it was. It 7 00:00:17.839 --> 00:00:21.719 was incredibly i mean just dead silent, and it creaked me out even more. 8 00:00:21.960 --> 00:00:25.320 I'd say maybe twenty yards off to my left, where the tree line 9 00:00:25.399 --> 00:00:28.359 was, I heard some knocks. It sounded like it should have been just 10 00:00:28.480 --> 00:00:31.079 inside the tree line, like I should have seen whatever it was knocking, 11 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:34.159 but I didn't see anything. Just feeling. It's still kind of lingering that 12 00:00:34.280 --> 00:00:37.880 it just something doesn't seem right. Another round of those knocks hit. It 13 00:00:38.000 --> 00:00:40.240 hit me a little bit harder. It made me really kind of think, 14 00:00:40.280 --> 00:00:43.399 like something's not something's not right here, something's going on. I don't I 15 00:00:43.439 --> 00:00:46.359 don't understand this, but something's just not right. All of a sudden, 16 00:00:46.679 --> 00:00:50.600 something started running just inside the tree line. I'd say maybe five feet if 17 00:00:50.640 --> 00:00:54.679 I'm guessing inside the tree line, and I watched it run twenty five thirty 18 00:00:54.719 --> 00:00:58.920 yards or so and then down the mountain. It was definitely upright. It 19 00:00:58.960 --> 00:01:02.640 was running so fast that I couldn't see any details. I didn't see any 20 00:01:02.640 --> 00:01:06.640 fingers or a face or nose. It's super fascinating this thing had been running 21 00:01:06.640 --> 00:01:07.879 again. It's hard to guess, but I'm gonna get thirty miles an hour 22 00:01:08.000 --> 00:01:11.840 all day. There's no way he was a human doing that. That was 23 00:01:11.840 --> 00:01:48.359 probably anything that scared me the absolutely most was a speed of it. I'd 24 00:01:48.359 --> 00:01:53.159 like to welcome Ryan to the show. Ryan, Welcome to big Foot Crossroads. 25 00:01:53.159 --> 00:01:56.079 Man. How's it going? Hey, man, I appreciate it. 26 00:01:56.079 --> 00:01:59.159 Thanks for having me. Yeah, for sure. If you don't mind, 27 00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:05.079 just tell me a little bit about yourself. Uh sure. I'm forty years 28 00:02:05.079 --> 00:02:08.719 old. I'm from upstate New York, a wife and a kid. I 29 00:02:08.800 --> 00:02:15.680 work at a community college, and I guess that's the easiest simple version of 30 00:02:15.680 --> 00:02:20.280 me. So you reached out to me, not trying to come on the 31 00:02:20.280 --> 00:02:24.159 show or anything like that, but just looking to see if I knew anybody 32 00:02:24.240 --> 00:02:30.719 in your area that goes out looking for Bigfoot. Yes, and uh, 33 00:02:30.759 --> 00:02:32.360 you know, after we got to talk in a little bit. You kind 34 00:02:32.360 --> 00:02:37.000 of told me your story, and of course I wanted to have you on 35 00:02:37.360 --> 00:02:39.639 you know, I think, sure, I think it's a really good encounter. 36 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:46.400 Was Bigfoot something that was even on your radar before this happened? Yes, 37 00:02:46.479 --> 00:02:51.639 and no, I had interesting it. I watched Finding big Foot, 38 00:02:51.680 --> 00:02:54.439 and I always kind of felt like it was it was very possible that it 39 00:02:54.479 --> 00:03:00.439 was real, but it wasn't something I was out searching for a really believed 40 00:03:00.479 --> 00:03:02.360 in. But yeah, I had I had a slight interest in it. 41 00:03:02.400 --> 00:03:07.080 I guess, well, if you don't mind, just kind of, you 42 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:10.039 know, walk us through that day and uh, tell me what happened. 43 00:03:12.479 --> 00:03:17.840 Sure, this was in May of twenty eighteen. It was late May. 44 00:03:20.159 --> 00:03:23.520 I guess I should say. I'm an internance athlete. So I was a 45 00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:28.479 big runner, and then I got into triathon for about eight years, and 46 00:03:28.520 --> 00:03:32.520 then I turned to ultra marathons. And for anybody not familiar with that, 47 00:03:32.680 --> 00:03:38.560 it's uh, technically anything to find is it's to find anything longer than a 48 00:03:38.560 --> 00:03:42.960 marathon. So twenty six point three miles and longer would technically be an ultra 49 00:03:43.039 --> 00:03:46.000 marathon, but they're typically thirty fifty, sixty hundred mile races, and they're 50 00:03:46.120 --> 00:03:52.840 they're typically trail races, and I was specifically training for fifty mile race, 51 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:57.639 the same race all three years. So as you can imagine, I spent 52 00:03:58.319 --> 00:04:01.120 a lot of time in the woods by myself, running on trails. It's 53 00:04:01.199 --> 00:04:05.719 very difficult to get anybody to run with you that far, not that I 54 00:04:05.759 --> 00:04:09.240 would do it in training, but just to get those longer days, and 55 00:04:09.280 --> 00:04:11.479 it would be very difficult to get anyway, So I spent a lot of 56 00:04:11.479 --> 00:04:17.319 time by myself in the woods. At the time, my girlfriend was living 57 00:04:17.319 --> 00:04:23.079 in Albany, and because of the nature of my job, I have a 58 00:04:23.079 --> 00:04:26.959 lot of free time in the summertime. So I would often take a week, 59 00:04:27.040 --> 00:04:31.360 maybe two weeks sometimes and head up to Albany and just kind of live 60 00:04:31.399 --> 00:04:33.560 with her for the week. And she would have worked during the day, 61 00:04:33.600 --> 00:04:36.319 of course, and I wouldn't have anything to do. So I could drive 62 00:04:36.319 --> 00:04:40.600 about forty five minutes north or south and I could either be in the Lake 63 00:04:40.639 --> 00:04:43.959 George at a roundeck area, or I could be down in the Cats Skills, 64 00:04:44.120 --> 00:04:48.680 and so I would oftentimes just flip a coin randomly choose which way I 65 00:04:48.680 --> 00:04:50.959 wanted to go, and head down to one of the mountains or up to 66 00:04:50.959 --> 00:04:54.959 one of the mountains and do some training for the day. So I just 67 00:04:55.079 --> 00:04:58.160 this day, I decided to drive down to Hunter Mountain down in the Catskill 68 00:04:58.240 --> 00:05:04.639 Mountains. There's two trails basically to the peak of that mountain, and one 69 00:05:04.759 --> 00:05:08.480 is very touristy, and I chose the opposite one. It was the back 70 00:05:08.519 --> 00:05:13.399 side of the mountain, which was shorter but a lot steeper, which is 71 00:05:13.399 --> 00:05:15.240 not really relevant to the story, but anyways, I chose the backside, 72 00:05:15.279 --> 00:05:20.560 and so I started my day. I drove down there. This would have 73 00:05:20.560 --> 00:05:25.319 been early in the morning. So I got to the parking lot probably nine 74 00:05:25.439 --> 00:05:30.399 thirty in the morning. There was only one other car there, and I 75 00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:34.480 started heading up the mountain. And I had gotten about three quarters of the 76 00:05:34.519 --> 00:05:41.800 way up the mountain and I saw a guy coming down with his dog. 77 00:05:41.920 --> 00:05:45.600 He was coming down the mountain and he was a younger guy mountain maybe maybe 78 00:05:45.680 --> 00:05:49.160 college age. And we passed each other and I said hello, and he 79 00:05:49.240 --> 00:05:53.240 was kind of nodded, and I went on my way and he went on 80 00:05:53.319 --> 00:05:58.560 his way. And it was about I don't know, maybe five ten minutes 81 00:05:58.600 --> 00:06:01.839 after that, I started getting this, Well, it's I guess now I'm 82 00:06:01.879 --> 00:06:05.160 learning it's a typical feeling amongst these encounters, But at the time I had 83 00:06:05.160 --> 00:06:12.319 no idea. I started getting this this feeling of everyone always calls it dread. 84 00:06:12.360 --> 00:06:15.160 I don't know if that's the most accurate word, but we'll just call 85 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:18.560 it dread. I guess just a feeling of something wasn't right. It just 86 00:06:18.600 --> 00:06:23.720 didn't at the whole. There was just it didn't feel right that day, 87 00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:27.800 and I kept getting something kind of repeating in my mind, you know, 88 00:06:27.839 --> 00:06:30.480 you shouldn't be here, you shouldn't be here. But I'm an idiot and 89 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:35.000 I'm stubborn, and I had driven all that way just to get some training 90 00:06:35.040 --> 00:06:40.240 in, so I wasn't going to turn around go home. So I kept 91 00:06:40.240 --> 00:06:45.360 going anyways, and a feeling continued on. I had maybe another quarter mile 92 00:06:45.439 --> 00:06:47.680 to the peak of the mountain, and I get to the peak of the 93 00:06:47.680 --> 00:06:53.800 mountain and I stopped, and I I was using an app called All Trails 94 00:06:53.879 --> 00:06:59.040 that day. I'm sure probably most Peuple was familiar with that. And yeah, 95 00:06:59.079 --> 00:07:00.800 that trail, you know, went right off, and then it came 96 00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:01.920 to at the peak. It just came to a tea and the idea was 97 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:05.079 I was going to take it right at the tea, and then there was 98 00:07:05.079 --> 00:07:10.480 a little rich trail that went maybe another quarter a half mile, and it 99 00:07:10.560 --> 00:07:16.399 came to a big open area where there was a little ranger cabin and a 100 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:21.040 fire tower, and I planned on going up to the fire tower heads the 101 00:07:21.079 --> 00:07:25.399 top, takes some pictures, whatever, whatever. So I get to the 102 00:07:25.439 --> 00:07:29.560 peak of the mountain and it stopped for a minute, just to try to 103 00:07:29.600 --> 00:07:32.279 take it all in. And the first thing I noticed was, well, 104 00:07:32.279 --> 00:07:35.639 it was this very typical I'm learning again, but just how quiet it was. 105 00:07:35.920 --> 00:07:41.199 It was incredibly I mean just dead silent. I couldn't hear anything. 106 00:07:41.199 --> 00:07:44.959 You couldn't hear the wind, you couldn't hear the normal chipmunks, and anybody 107 00:07:44.959 --> 00:07:47.839 that knows anything about the trails in the Northeast and probably everywhere, but you 108 00:07:47.879 --> 00:07:51.680 never don't hear chipmunks. You're always gonna hear at least that squirrels. Whatever. 109 00:07:53.279 --> 00:07:55.639 Well, I didn't hear anything, and it creeped me out even more. 110 00:07:58.319 --> 00:08:01.959 But again I didn't have any reference or knowledge of anything big Foot related, 111 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:05.600 or that this would be something to do with that, or really anything. 112 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:07.879 I just kind of kept feeling something was wrong, But I really couldn't 113 00:08:07.879 --> 00:08:11.439 pinpoint it, and whatever I was, I was there doing it, so 114 00:08:11.480 --> 00:08:16.959 I just kept going. So I take a right on that that tea trail, 115 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:20.360 if you will, and I'm going down another quarter half mile whatever, 116 00:08:20.399 --> 00:08:24.360 and I get to that opening area, take another right to the opening areas 117 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:26.680 and I'm what two rights in, so it's three sides to a square basically. 118 00:08:28.759 --> 00:08:33.559 And I actually I didn't know until I had gotten there that there was 119 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:37.879 that cabin, that ranger cabinet. So I saw on the outside of the 120 00:08:37.879 --> 00:08:39.559 cabin that there was a map, and I was like, you know that 121 00:08:39.559 --> 00:08:41.240 this would be a great opportunity to look at the map and compare it to 122 00:08:41.240 --> 00:08:43.799 the all Trails app that I was using, and just kind of make sure 123 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:48.240 the map that I'm using is accurate correct, just so I don't get lost 124 00:08:48.279 --> 00:08:52.039 that day. So I'm standing there and I'm comparing the map on my phone 125 00:08:52.320 --> 00:08:56.559 to the map that's on the wall, and off to my left, I'm 126 00:08:56.559 --> 00:09:01.879 not great with distances, if I'm being honest, but I'd say maybe twenty 127 00:09:01.960 --> 00:09:05.039 yards twenty five yards something like that. Off to my left where the tree 128 00:09:05.039 --> 00:09:09.120 line was, I heard some knocks, which, of course, now I 129 00:09:09.159 --> 00:09:13.600 know a three knocks, but obviously I didn't know then, and but they 130 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:16.320 were, they were very loud. It wasn't it wasn't something that was off 131 00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:20.759 in the distance. It was something that was very much how do I say, 132 00:09:22.320 --> 00:09:24.320 as if I should have seen it, It sounded like I should have 133 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:26.320 been just inside the tree line, like I should have seen whatever was knocking, 134 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:31.399 But I didn't see anything. But I did see there was a sign 135 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:33.480 on one of the trees there that set out house, and you could you 136 00:09:33.519 --> 00:09:35.879 could kind of see a little opening there, but you couldn't actually see that 137 00:09:35.919 --> 00:09:39.240 house. And so my first thought was, Okay, it must be it 138 00:09:39.320 --> 00:09:43.480 must be a ranger or something fixing something over there, because it almost resembled 139 00:09:43.399 --> 00:09:48.360 maybe bending down picking up a board, putting two or three nails in, 140 00:09:48.440 --> 00:09:50.320 knocking the nails in, and then bending down again picking up a board and 141 00:09:50.639 --> 00:09:54.960 repeating that process. Because it knocks would happen maybe two or three times, 142 00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:58.240 and then it would pause and it would happen again. So it did resemble 143 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:01.919 something like a ring you're fixing something on the house or something like that. 144 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:05.240 In retrospect, I don't think that's the case at all, for numerous reasons, 145 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:09.200 but that's what I thought in the moment. So, like I said, 146 00:10:09.240 --> 00:10:11.919 these knocks are very very loud. They're right there, but I just 147 00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:16.600 can't see what's going on. So anyways, this feeling is still kind of 148 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:20.519 lingering that it just something doesn't seem right. But I turn around and I 149 00:10:20.559 --> 00:10:24.279 go to the fire tower, and again it was the plan was to climb 150 00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:28.679 in and take some pictures. And I got about halfway up the ladder and 151 00:10:28.759 --> 00:10:31.519 realized I'm a cisy and I'm scared of heights. So is that's scared of 152 00:10:31.519 --> 00:10:35.679 that? And I turned around and I started going back down. I get 153 00:10:35.720 --> 00:10:39.039 to the bottom of the stairs and another round of those knocks hit. And 154 00:10:39.159 --> 00:10:45.720 I don't know what it was about this last round, but it hit me 155 00:10:45.759 --> 00:10:48.679 a little bit harder. It made me really kind of think, like something's 156 00:10:48.679 --> 00:10:50.879 not something's not right here, something's going on. I don't I don't understand 157 00:10:50.919 --> 00:10:54.240 this, but something's just not right here. Were they coming from the same 158 00:10:54.279 --> 00:11:00.679 location as before, same location the whole time, yep, yep? And 159 00:11:00.759 --> 00:11:03.759 so I just kind of stopped paralyzed, and I stand there and I'm just 160 00:11:03.840 --> 00:11:09.639 kind of staring at that direction, and the knocks had stopped, and I 161 00:11:09.639 --> 00:11:13.200 mean, you know, how these situations work. I don't really have a 162 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:16.919 great reference for time here. I want to say it was maybe twenty thirty 163 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:18.960 seconds, but who know, it's could have been sure, it could have 164 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:20.840 been longer. But about twenty thirty seconds, I stand there and I'm staring 165 00:11:20.840 --> 00:11:28.519 at that spot, and all of a sudden, something from that area, 166 00:11:28.600 --> 00:11:33.759 that general area started running just inside the tree line. I'd say maybe five 167 00:11:33.799 --> 00:11:37.399 feet if I'm guessing, inside the tree line. And it ran with the 168 00:11:37.600 --> 00:11:41.320 parallel with the tree line, so it ran I don't know, perpendicular to 169 00:11:41.360 --> 00:11:43.879 my vision, if you will, if that makes sense, And it ran 170 00:11:43.919 --> 00:11:50.399 inside the tree line, and I watched it run twenty five thirty yards or 171 00:11:50.440 --> 00:11:56.000 so and then down the mountain. And that's what really scared the shit out 172 00:11:56.000 --> 00:12:01.799 of me. If I'm being honest, it wasn't wasn't huge, I would 173 00:12:01.840 --> 00:12:05.159 say, I mean, something running that fast just inside the tree line, 174 00:12:05.480 --> 00:12:09.080 I'm already standing there kind of scared. I'll be honest. It's very hard 175 00:12:09.120 --> 00:12:11.200 to judge the exact height, you know what I mean, But I was 176 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:15.639 I've always guessed about six and a half feet six and a half to seven 177 00:12:15.639 --> 00:12:20.919 feet tall. It was definitely upright and I could tell the color was head 178 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:28.399 to toe, that classic kind of light brown to brown color. And I'll 179 00:12:28.440 --> 00:12:33.000 be honest, it was running so fast that I couldn't see any details. 180 00:12:33.039 --> 00:12:37.519 I didn't see any fingers or a face or nose or anything like that. 181 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:41.559 But I know what I did see. I know, I know the approximate 182 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:48.360 height. I definitely know it was upright, and I definitely know was its 183 00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:50.080 super fast meant this thing had to been running again. It's hard to guess, 184 00:12:50.120 --> 00:12:54.000 but I'm mean to guess thirty miles an hour all day. Wow, 185 00:12:54.200 --> 00:12:56.360 no joke. I mean, I could be off, but about that twenty 186 00:12:56.399 --> 00:13:03.039 five definitely fastening human could run. I mean, if anybody has a good 187 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:07.799 opinion on how fast humans can run, I would say it would be you. 188 00:13:07.799 --> 00:13:11.120 You, you would have a good idea. Well, I mean, 189 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:13.559 that's very kind of you, and I appreciate that, and I sure I'll 190 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:16.279 agree just because it's very kind of you. But you know what I mean, 191 00:13:16.320 --> 00:13:20.000 it's it's it's one of those situations where you're very I'm already nervous, 192 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:24.519 I'm already thinking something's wrong. It's it's it's it's just it's tough to change, 193 00:13:24.559 --> 00:13:26.399 you know what I mean, but it was definitely. What I could 194 00:13:26.399 --> 00:13:28.879 tell you with one hundred percent certainty was it was definitely faster than human can 195 00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:35.039 run. There's no way it was a human doing that. And and I'll 196 00:13:35.080 --> 00:13:39.039 be honest again, that was that was probably the thing that scared me the 197 00:13:39.080 --> 00:13:41.639 absolute most. Was a speed of it. You know, the size was 198 00:13:41.720 --> 00:13:46.360 within a large human range, although the bulk of it was pretty bulky. 199 00:13:46.759 --> 00:13:50.960 I don't I don't think someone someone would be that that big physically, But 200 00:13:50.080 --> 00:13:52.840 it was a speed that really got me because this thing was this thing was 201 00:13:52.919 --> 00:13:56.039 moving and he was moving inside the tree line. It wasn't even an open 202 00:13:56.080 --> 00:14:00.200 field or anything like that, you know what I mean. So so that 203 00:14:00.200 --> 00:14:03.240 point, I just kind of stand there and I'm in literal shock. I'm 204 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:07.320 in that classic paralyzed state where I just I'm just kind of staring at the 205 00:14:07.399 --> 00:14:11.039 last spot that I saw it, and I don't know what to do. 206 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:15.519 I don't, I'm not really I don't know what happened to me. It 207 00:14:15.600 --> 00:14:20.000 was just very confusing. And I stood there again for maybe into the twenty 208 00:14:20.039 --> 00:14:24.320 thirty seconds before my brain just kind of snapped out of it, and it 209 00:14:24.360 --> 00:14:26.759 was kind of like, what the hell was that run, and I ended 210 00:14:26.840 --> 00:14:33.320 up taking off running the opposite direction, and oddly, I don't I have 211 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:37.039 no idea why I decided to do this, but I actually ended up finishing 212 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:41.919 my run that day. You know, the feeling of nervousness originally is not 213 00:14:41.919 --> 00:14:45.799 going to keep me off the mountain. I'm too dumb for that. But 214 00:14:46.159 --> 00:14:48.279 seeing what I saw, I would think would get me off that mountain real 215 00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:52.039 quick, but it didn't. I don't know. I ended up finishing that 216 00:14:52.120 --> 00:14:56.159 day, and oddly, that feeling after whatever ran ran by and ran down 217 00:14:56.200 --> 00:15:01.919 the mountain that's dealing within ten fifteen minutes, kind of just went away, 218 00:15:03.399 --> 00:15:07.279 and the mountain became very became very peaceful. I didn't have any issues of 219 00:15:07.320 --> 00:15:09.200 nervousness, which it doesn't make any sense even to me, and I have 220 00:15:09.279 --> 00:15:13.759 no idea why I reacted like that or did that, but that's that's what 221 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:20.240 happened. I finished my run that day, and I encountered I think that 222 00:15:20.320 --> 00:15:22.039 one yeah, that one guy. He was the only person in the mountain, 223 00:15:22.080 --> 00:15:24.879 so it was the mountain was dead that day. I don't know if 224 00:15:26.240 --> 00:15:30.039 any of your listeners know anything about, you know, the catskills in May, 225 00:15:30.159 --> 00:15:35.480 but it can still be at sixty five at the base and fifty five 226 00:15:35.879 --> 00:15:37.559 at the peak, and there was still a little bit of snow and ice. 227 00:15:37.639 --> 00:15:41.240 So it's a very touristy mountain. A lot of people from the city 228 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:45.320 come up and hit up that mountain, and that's not the time of year 229 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:48.200 that they're there, so I was definitely there in an off peak time of 230 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:50.720 the year. So there was just me and that one other guy that I 231 00:15:50.960 --> 00:15:54.720 mean, I didn't even hear anybody that day, so I guess it would 232 00:15:54.759 --> 00:15:56.799 make sense if something was going to be around, it would be around at 233 00:15:56.840 --> 00:16:00.200 that point. But I had no experience with any of that, so I 234 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:03.159 didn't know any of that, and I had no idea what I was doing. 235 00:16:03.200 --> 00:16:07.759 So yeah, that was that was basically the encounter. And I assume 236 00:16:07.799 --> 00:16:10.399 whenever you got back to your car, there wasn't any other cars in the 237 00:16:10.440 --> 00:16:14.360 parking lot or anything like that. No, that car was gone. I 238 00:16:15.159 --> 00:16:17.919 assumed the only car that was there was that guy that I had originally saw 239 00:16:18.559 --> 00:16:19.759 coming down the mountain as I went up, and when I got back, 240 00:16:19.759 --> 00:16:22.919 now there was not a single other car there. It's just me by myself. 241 00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:30.120 If we could go back to the moment whenever you saw it and it 242 00:16:30.159 --> 00:16:37.080 took off running again. You were up there training, you're a runner. 243 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:41.000 What kind of comparison would you make, like, how was the gate of 244 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:48.159 its running versus that of a human? Well, that's I guess that's a 245 00:16:48.200 --> 00:16:53.240 two party answer for me, the first one being if I'm being honest, 246 00:16:55.440 --> 00:16:59.879 like I said, I couldn't see I couldn't really see any detail. I 247 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:02.600 don't I don't even want to say this, but the truth is, it 248 00:17:02.919 --> 00:17:07.880 was almost like seeing a blob squatch on on a photo, but seeing a 249 00:17:07.960 --> 00:17:11.680 live one running, not in a photo, if that makes any sense. 250 00:17:11.079 --> 00:17:14.160 It was I don't want to say. I don't want to say it was 251 00:17:14.200 --> 00:17:17.759 blurry, because that's not true. It was definitely a little bit more detail 252 00:17:17.799 --> 00:17:22.119 than that. But I couldn't I could. I guess I couldn't necessarily tell 253 00:17:22.119 --> 00:17:26.920 the game. But what I can say is one of the things that I 254 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:30.880 noticed is, and I've now heard a lot of people say this, it 255 00:17:30.920 --> 00:17:33.279 looked like it was floating. I mean it's head. I could see movement 256 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:38.359 down below where its legs would be, but its head looked perfectly flat and 257 00:17:38.400 --> 00:17:41.200 parallel to the ground the entire time, as if it was on a skateboard 258 00:17:41.240 --> 00:17:45.319 almost. I guess that would be a great comparison. I guess like it 259 00:17:45.319 --> 00:17:47.599 would be on a skateboard. You could see like the legs moving, but 260 00:17:47.640 --> 00:17:49.640 the head just did not bop up and down like a human being at all. 261 00:17:49.839 --> 00:17:53.759 No balance to it, not at all, nothing. I mean, 262 00:17:53.799 --> 00:18:02.559 just perfectly flat the whole time. And it wasn't running downhill originally when it 263 00:18:03.079 --> 00:18:06.079 for maybe twenty yards, it was flat in this section, and then it 264 00:18:06.160 --> 00:18:11.920 started running downhill. But I can only see it when it got out of 265 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:15.119 sight. From when the downhill started to when it got out of sight would 266 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:18.240 have been maybe ten yards. It wasn't very far, and at that speed 267 00:18:18.559 --> 00:18:21.640 as it was running, it was a second or two then I saw him 268 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:25.599 going downhill, you know what I mean? Yeah, And you didn't notice 269 00:18:25.759 --> 00:18:30.039 any change in the movement or anything whenever it started going downhill. No, 270 00:18:30.160 --> 00:18:33.920 I can't say I did, if I'm being honest. I'm just I'm just 271 00:18:34.039 --> 00:18:40.000 thinking in my head, you know, picturing like whenever a person runs downhill, 272 00:18:40.680 --> 00:18:44.839 let alone in the woods on the side of a mountain, they start 273 00:18:44.880 --> 00:18:48.200 doing that kind of stuttering shuffling step and their arms go out to kind of 274 00:18:48.279 --> 00:18:52.160 balance themselves, you know, and they're looking down at the ground, and 275 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:57.680 it's very clumsy in appearance. Did you notice anything like that or did it 276 00:18:57.720 --> 00:19:03.359 just maintain a kind of a fluid motion as it ran. Well, it's 277 00:19:03.400 --> 00:19:06.079 funny you say that. I never thought about that. I've had a long 278 00:19:06.160 --> 00:19:08.119 time to think about this, and believe me, I thought about a lot. 279 00:19:08.160 --> 00:19:11.319 I never thought about that. And the answer is no, No, 280 00:19:11.480 --> 00:19:15.079 it did not have that. You're right. I guess when someone starts to 281 00:19:15.759 --> 00:19:19.240 start run downhill, they you know, they're on their heels and they slow 282 00:19:19.279 --> 00:19:22.440 it down a bit. You know, this thing maintained that that speed at 283 00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:26.640 a constant No, it didn't. I didn't see any arms flailing. It 284 00:19:26.480 --> 00:19:30.279 looked exactly like it looked. What was on the flat section? Wow? 285 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:34.920 Yeah? Could you? I mean, obviously it was covered in hair. 286 00:19:36.319 --> 00:19:41.240 Any idea how long the hair was just a guess. No, if I'm 287 00:19:41.279 --> 00:19:45.279 being honest, I would love to tell you something funny here, But no, 288 00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:48.799 if I'm being honest, I couldn't tell that. No. I prefer 289 00:19:48.920 --> 00:19:53.960 that answer. I much more prefer whenever people just say you know what, 290 00:19:55.119 --> 00:19:57.440 I don't know, as opposed to making up an answer. You know, 291 00:19:57.640 --> 00:20:03.079 or yeah, trying to add detail that they didn't have any sounds or smells 292 00:20:03.119 --> 00:20:10.160 that you can associate with it. There was never a smell, and I 293 00:20:10.200 --> 00:20:12.519 can't believe I forgot to mention that. But that was one of another interesting 294 00:20:12.559 --> 00:20:18.000 thing. When this thing ran, there was no sound. I've now heard 295 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:21.839 this before in many accounts, and a lot of people do hear it, 296 00:20:22.039 --> 00:20:25.240 to hear the footsteps, and I guess some people don't. But for me, 297 00:20:25.400 --> 00:20:27.640 I didn't hear any sound at all, Like even when it was running 298 00:20:27.640 --> 00:20:32.480 through the tree area, there was no sound. And it took me a 299 00:20:32.480 --> 00:20:37.039 long time to even look at trees after that. I didn't want I actually 300 00:20:37.119 --> 00:20:41.880 quit the Sport Welsh marathons that day or after that day. You know, 301 00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:47.680 you go into shock and you think a certain way on that day, but 302 00:20:47.680 --> 00:20:49.559 then you get home that night and maybe the next morning, and it all 303 00:20:49.599 --> 00:20:53.000 just kind of hits you what happened, And it makes me made me realize 304 00:20:53.000 --> 00:20:56.519 how vulnerable I am as a as a runner out there in the woods. 305 00:20:56.920 --> 00:21:02.240 We're out there with no weapons, uh, you know, tiny little shorts 306 00:21:02.240 --> 00:21:03.559 and singlets, running around with our little water bottles. You know what I 307 00:21:03.559 --> 00:21:07.200 mean? It very I mean, yeah, bigfoot aside. It could be 308 00:21:07.279 --> 00:21:08.359 anything. I mean, it could be a mountain lion, it could be 309 00:21:08.920 --> 00:21:12.920 a bear, and we are defenseless out there as trail runners, and it 310 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:15.359 kind of really hit me. So I'm going too far into this. I 311 00:21:15.400 --> 00:21:19.680 apologize, But the point is I quit the sport. I stopped stop at 312 00:21:19.680 --> 00:21:22.920 the ult marathons. I still run, but I stick to the roads. 313 00:21:22.559 --> 00:21:26.880 Have you ever been there before? Was that like your first time to that 314 00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:33.440 particular trail? Yes, I had been to them. There's a ski resort 315 00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:36.519 there on the ones on the opposite side that I had run up that day, 316 00:21:36.799 --> 00:21:38.039 so I had been there to ski before, but I had never been 317 00:21:38.039 --> 00:21:41.079 there on the trails, and I certainly hadn't been on that back trail though 318 00:21:41.799 --> 00:21:45.799 that was my first time there. For that and that feeling of dread and 319 00:21:45.920 --> 00:21:49.920 something not being right that you felt whenever you kind of entered the woods that 320 00:21:51.039 --> 00:21:55.680 day. Had you ever felt that any other time? For the most part, 321 00:21:55.960 --> 00:21:59.640 no, never. There was one other time that things kind of felt 322 00:21:59.640 --> 00:22:03.799 weird. They had or on deck one time, and that never amounts to 323 00:22:03.839 --> 00:22:07.119 anything. I didn't have any sort of encounter, but I did kind of 324 00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:10.559 have that feeling one other time. But for the most part, no, 325 00:22:10.759 --> 00:22:15.680 I was always sold very comfortable in the woods by myself. I never really 326 00:22:15.680 --> 00:22:18.960 had that feeling it will for anything really, not even just ultra marathon or 327 00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:23.079 running. I just had never really had that feeling before ever. So now 328 00:22:23.119 --> 00:22:29.799 that you've had all this time to process it, and I'm sure think of 329 00:22:29.839 --> 00:22:37.039 it obsessively as most people do whenever they've had an encounter. Yeah, I 330 00:22:37.079 --> 00:22:41.440 mean, what are your thoughts on what you encountered that day? I mean, 331 00:22:41.480 --> 00:22:42.960 what do you think was going on? Do you think it was watching 332 00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:45.799 you or following you? Do you think you just kind of got the drop 333 00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:51.720 on it? What do you think happened? Well, of course it is 334 00:22:51.839 --> 00:22:56.559 just a theory. I really have no idea, but I well, you 335 00:22:56.680 --> 00:23:00.599 just nailed on the head. It does become an obsession. And so I 336 00:23:00.599 --> 00:23:03.680 I've found every big Foot podcast I could possibly find and listen to everything I 337 00:23:03.680 --> 00:23:10.240 can possibly listen to try to learn. And so I've heard this before and 338 00:23:10.279 --> 00:23:12.799 I kind of tried to make some connections, and I think it might be 339 00:23:12.839 --> 00:23:19.480 possible that well, it's reported anyways a lot of times that they will oftentimes 340 00:23:19.519 --> 00:23:25.519 follow people who are solo and or dog dogs and women seem they seem to 341 00:23:25.519 --> 00:23:32.759 be attracted to. And the guy coming down looked Native American. Maybe I'm 342 00:23:32.799 --> 00:23:36.039 a nat a longer pony tail. I'm not saying he looked feminine in any 343 00:23:36.039 --> 00:23:38.000 way, shape or form, but to a big foot possibly, I don't 344 00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:41.680 know, but he could have looked like to a big foot of female with 345 00:23:41.759 --> 00:23:47.839 a dog. And I almost wonder if this thing was actually following him. 346 00:23:47.880 --> 00:23:56.160 And then as we passed each other, either curiosity hit for it, and 347 00:23:56.200 --> 00:24:00.799 it was thinking, I can't imagine big foot sees a lot of runners in 348 00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:02.960 the woods, right They're gonna see a lot of hunters. They're gonna see 349 00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:06.200 a lot of hikers probably, but I can't imagine they see a lot of 350 00:24:06.759 --> 00:24:10.559 you know, skinny people with tiny shorts on water bottles hanging everywhere, running 351 00:24:10.559 --> 00:24:11.799 through the woods, you know what I mean. It was probably a little 352 00:24:11.799 --> 00:24:15.400 bit of a shock to it, possibly, and so I don't know if 353 00:24:15.400 --> 00:24:19.279 it was curiosity, but anyways, I was theorizing that it was possible it 354 00:24:19.319 --> 00:24:23.359 was actually following him. And then as we passed each other, it decided 355 00:24:23.400 --> 00:24:27.559 to follow me up because I didn't have the feeling of dread until I had 356 00:24:27.559 --> 00:24:30.240 passed him. You know, a few minutes after five, ten minutes whatever, 357 00:24:30.519 --> 00:24:34.880 after I'd passed him. It wasn't until then, and in retrospect looking 358 00:24:34.880 --> 00:24:38.119 back too, and this could be absolutely nothing. I might just be making 359 00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:41.480 this up. But when we had passed each other and I'd said hello, 360 00:24:41.799 --> 00:24:45.680 you're I know you're very aware of this. Most people are very friendly on 361 00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:47.960 the trails. You say hello there, you say hello, how's day, 362 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:52.359 whatever, And he wasn't at all, And that could just be his personality, 363 00:24:52.440 --> 00:24:56.359 kudos, I have no idea, but he he gave me a side 364 00:24:56.359 --> 00:24:59.720 look almost I said hello. I was like, hey, how you doing? 365 00:24:59.759 --> 00:25:03.720 And he responded all he kind of gave me a side look as if 366 00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:06.519 he acknowledged that I said something to him, But he didn't actually say anything 367 00:25:06.519 --> 00:25:11.599 back. And in retrospect, I guess it's possible that his facial expression could 368 00:25:11.599 --> 00:25:17.839 have been that he almost looked concerned, but but like he wasn't gonna say 369 00:25:17.839 --> 00:25:22.720 anything, like hey, I keep hearing something following me out, but you 370 00:25:22.759 --> 00:25:25.559 know, at the risk of sounding crazy, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna 371 00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:26.279 sy anything. I'm just gonna look at you and keep walking and get the 372 00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:29.480 hell out of here, you know. Yeah, and again I could be 373 00:25:29.480 --> 00:25:32.200 totally making all this up. I have no idea, but it's just some 374 00:25:32.319 --> 00:25:37.759 things that went through my mind. And and yeah, so I wonder if 375 00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:41.799 it was following him, and then it made the transition to following me once 376 00:25:41.839 --> 00:25:44.559 it saw me going up, and it followed me from there. But I 377 00:25:44.559 --> 00:25:47.319 didn't hear anything, you know, I could when I continue up the trail 378 00:25:47.359 --> 00:25:49.680 and then got to the tea and then took the right. It wasn't until 379 00:25:49.759 --> 00:25:52.960 I got to that cabin that I heard the first thing, which would have 380 00:25:53.000 --> 00:26:02.759 been those knocks. And interestingly I had and I'd realized in retrospect that how 381 00:26:02.759 --> 00:26:07.240 do I say this? Where I had taken the second right to turn into 382 00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:11.559 that open area where the cabin was, that was basically the corner of the 383 00:26:11.599 --> 00:26:17.119 woods there where I started hearing the knocks. So I guess what I'm saying 384 00:26:17.240 --> 00:26:22.759 is those knocks would have been within twenty feet roughly of where I had just 385 00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:29.599 ran, and in retrospect I saw nothing, you know, I guess after 386 00:26:29.599 --> 00:26:30.640 I started thinking about It's like, well, if it was a ranger, 387 00:26:32.200 --> 00:26:33.359 you would think you would see, you know, a side by side, 388 00:26:33.400 --> 00:26:40.079 a formula, some lumber you while you hear him Milwaukie talking, maybe talking 389 00:26:40.119 --> 00:26:41.039 to someone else a radio, you know what I mean, you think there'd 390 00:26:41.079 --> 00:26:44.759 be some sort of side of a human And I had realized later on that 391 00:26:44.839 --> 00:26:48.160 there wasn't anything at all. These knocks seemed to be coming from just the 392 00:26:48.200 --> 00:26:52.960 trees and that was it. So yeah, that's what I theorized might have 393 00:26:53.119 --> 00:26:56.920 happened. I saw him, was following him, and then it turned around 394 00:26:56.960 --> 00:27:00.319 started following me instead. It's just back sulation, like you're saying, we 395 00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:04.079 have no way of knowing, But I think, yeah, I think that's 396 00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:10.599 a really strong theory that you formed, especially with the fact that the guy 397 00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:15.000 had a dog with him. That would definitely be something that would grab a 398 00:27:15.079 --> 00:27:21.400 bigfoot's interest. And you running, I mean, you're right. I doubt 399 00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:26.640 they see a lot of people running through the woods and just instinctively something running 400 00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:30.480 is going to get something else's attention out in the wilderness. You know, 401 00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:36.319 running usually means something is chasing you or you're chasing after something, and it 402 00:27:36.400 --> 00:27:41.440 would serve something else a great deal to be aware of what was going on 403 00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:45.519 if something was just running through their territory. The knocks and everything like that, 404 00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:51.240 you know, and again I know some people are going to be listening 405 00:27:51.279 --> 00:27:52.799 and think, you know, like, well, you don't know that, 406 00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:59.480 and you're right, we don't. But a common belief amongst researchers is that 407 00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:04.440 in sir territories there will be what we call a century kind of a lookout 408 00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:11.400 keeping guard keeping watching an area and letting the others know if there's a human 409 00:28:11.480 --> 00:28:15.960 in the area. And it kind of sounds like that might be, uh, 410 00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:18.799 what you ran into up there. I thought that as well. Yeah, 411 00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:22.880 I would agree with you that it was kind of the impression I got. 412 00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:26.119 Yeah, I'm not really too sure why, but you're right. I 413 00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:30.319 felt the same way because, like I said that, the knocks were very 414 00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:33.720 blatant. There was no doubt it wasn't. It wasn't something that was a 415 00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:36.480 half mile off or three course a mile off that it was off in the 416 00:28:36.519 --> 00:28:38.079 distance. It's like, well, I guess it could have been anything like 417 00:28:38.119 --> 00:28:42.759 I said this. It was. It was within twenty twenty five yards, 418 00:28:42.799 --> 00:28:48.920 I mean maybe even less. It was definitely close enough that it sounded like 419 00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:52.559 I should have seen somebody just inside the tree line with a hammer banging on 420 00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:56.960 something. And it was very well got me. It was very rhythmic too, 421 00:28:56.640 --> 00:28:59.480 you know. It was. It was slow in rhythmic. It was 422 00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:03.559 not fatt all like a woodpecker. It was just bang, bang bang. 423 00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:06.480 It was just very slow and rhythmic, and then it would pause and then 424 00:29:06.519 --> 00:29:08.279 it would do it again. It sounded nothing like a woodpecker at all, 425 00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:12.039 you know. But the point being is, you're right. I had wondered 426 00:29:12.079 --> 00:29:15.039 that myself, that it could have been a lookout, and it was. 427 00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:21.920 It was clearly trying to communicate something to some one or something else. I 428 00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:25.759 don't know why else it would do it, and then it would just stop 429 00:29:25.880 --> 00:29:27.200 and then take off down the hill. And then I didn't hear a single 430 00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:30.839 knock after that the rest of the day. I ended up being on the 431 00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:33.960 mountain for and I can only confirm this and remember this because it was on 432 00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:36.440 Strava. I had it on Strava that day. I was on the mountain 433 00:29:36.440 --> 00:29:38.759 for that day for almost five hours. I never heard a knock after that, 434 00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:42.200 and I ended up going down the other side of the mountain, coming 435 00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:45.640 back up and passing the area that I had. You know, all this 436 00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:48.759 happened. Let's go back down to my car. So I never heard a 437 00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:52.640 knock the whole rest of the day. I never saw another person, a 438 00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:56.039 formulas side by side. I never saw anybody or anything else there. The 439 00:29:56.079 --> 00:30:00.680 knocks happened, I saw this thing run down the mountain Knox and went away. 440 00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:04.359 I never heard it again. No more feelings of dread or anything after 441 00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:10.680 that, you said, the entire feeling kind of lifted and dissipated, and 442 00:30:11.079 --> 00:30:15.480 everything went back to normal, like a normal day, exactly right, which 443 00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:18.119 doesn't make any sense. And hearing the story, I mean, saying it 444 00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:22.119 all out doesn't make any sense to me, I even for myself, not 445 00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:26.920 even just for listeners listening to me, even for myself, I don't I 446 00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:30.799 don't understand that behavior. I normally, if something scares me like that, 447 00:30:30.920 --> 00:30:32.920 I'm done. That's it. I'm done for the day. You know. 448 00:30:33.079 --> 00:30:37.440 I have no idea why I even decided to continue on. And I had 449 00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:41.880 a great thing ended up being wonderful after that. I don't have an explanation 450 00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:45.839 for that either. It was feeling lasted, you know, half hour or 451 00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:49.720 so, and then it ran, and the feelings ran with it, and 452 00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:53.279 it just kind of well, I guess it was a shock at that point. 453 00:30:53.279 --> 00:30:56.880 So there's still a feeling of shock, and what the hell just happened? 454 00:30:56.880 --> 00:30:59.880 I guess for another fifteen twenty minutes, But as I started continuing down 455 00:30:59.880 --> 00:31:02.839 the side the mountain, it kind of slowly lifted away, and then it 456 00:31:02.920 --> 00:31:06.119 just completely went away and never felt that again. I mean, I think 457 00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:12.319 that's kind of maybe normal's not the right word, but a common reaction and 458 00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:21.880 situations like that. Whenever a person goes through shock, their brain tends to 459 00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:26.759 kind of compensate for that, and they just go about their normal routine, 460 00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:32.279 even whenever they shouldn't, you know. Oftentimes, like take for instance, 461 00:31:32.279 --> 00:31:34.920 like if a person's going to the grocery store and they get into a really 462 00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:38.759 bad car accident before they get to the store, oftentimes they'll just be like, 463 00:31:38.799 --> 00:31:41.000 oh, well, I need to get to the store. I need 464 00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:45.960 to pick up my groceries. You know that It's just part of the process. 465 00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:49.359 So it might be something like that. I mean, you know, 466 00:31:51.880 --> 00:31:57.640 something clearly happened to cause you to quit doing something that you were passionate about 467 00:31:57.680 --> 00:32:04.160 like that. Yeah, have you ever tried going back there or getting out 468 00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:09.880 there or anything getting back on the horse, so to speak? Not really, 469 00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:14.000 Like I said, there's there's other ways to do and endurance sports, 470 00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:15.720 right, I picked the trails, I picked the bike back up a little 471 00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:20.319 bit. Continue that on. I didn't go near like I said, I 472 00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:22.839 didn't go near trees at all. I mean, like just I didn't need 473 00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:28.920 one to drive down a wooded road for quite some time. And I did 474 00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:34.000 go back to one hundred Mountain to that exact spot almost almost a year later 475 00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:38.079 on the dot. But I went very strategically. I went on, you 476 00:32:38.119 --> 00:32:40.240 know, in like July, when it was very touristy. I made sure 477 00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:44.319 it was a weekend day. I went at noon when I knew there was 478 00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:45.400 going to be a ton of the opposite of what most people like. I 479 00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:47.799 went when there was I knew there was going to be a ton of people 480 00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:51.440 there, and I went with my girlfriend and we know, we went up 481 00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:58.039 and I checked the spot out and there was you know, a volunteer I 482 00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:00.799 don't know if rangers right work whatever, We'll just say that a volunteer ranger 483 00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:04.000 or whatever that was in the cabin there. And I asked him, I 484 00:33:04.039 --> 00:33:07.440 said, it was just out of curiosity. I said, have you guys 485 00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:10.839 ever experienced anything weird up here? And of course he gave the typical answer, 486 00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:15.240 and I was very naive at this point. I thought someone would maybe 487 00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:17.920 be a little more honest. And I understand now that if they know something, 488 00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:21.559 they're typically not going to say something, you know. But I didn't 489 00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:24.599 know that then, so I asked him no, no, said, well, 490 00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:27.960 listen, I'm not crazy, I promise, I said, but here's 491 00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:30.440 my story. I said, this is what happened to me a year ago 492 00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:32.799 here and oh, well, you know it's probably a bear. I said, 493 00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:35.640 Well, you know this, this thing was about six and a half 494 00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:38.160 feet tall. Well, yeah, bears will stand up on their hind legs, 495 00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:43.319 yes, and run downhill. Well, that's what I said, But 496 00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:45.039 do they sprint on their hind legs. Well, you know, they can 497 00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:47.759 run pretty fast thirty miles an hour. And I said, but on their 498 00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:51.799 hind legs. And when I said that, he finally was like, well, 499 00:33:51.799 --> 00:33:52.279 you know, I don't know. I don't know what you saw. 500 00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:55.000 And he just kind of smiled and it was a no, okay, I'm 501 00:33:55.039 --> 00:33:57.920 not going on. That's when I learned, Okay, I'm not gonna get 502 00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:00.640 anywhere with this, So I answer your question. Yeah. I did go 503 00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:04.400 back a year later and I checked out that exact spot, and there is 504 00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:07.680 no, you know, the exact spot where it ran. I saw it 505 00:34:07.759 --> 00:34:09.920 running and there It's just was. There was no trail there at all. 506 00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:15.320 I didn't know if there might be how to say, it was an open 507 00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:19.119 area, open clearing area. Obviously it was maintains, so they're going to 508 00:34:19.159 --> 00:34:21.320 cut down some trees, and I didn't know if maybe there was like a 509 00:34:21.320 --> 00:34:25.599 little ranger access trail kind of on the outside that maybe they used for whatever 510 00:34:25.639 --> 00:34:29.800 they're doing. But no, there wasn't. It was. There was no 511 00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:31.039 one. There was no trail or whatsoever there. It was just tree. 512 00:34:31.079 --> 00:34:37.719 So this thing ran through these trees without making a sound, and that makes 513 00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:40.360 no sense to me and baffles me, and I have no explanation for that, 514 00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:45.280 But that happened. You know, it's kind of interesting. Just this 515 00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:52.800 past Monday, I was talking to somebody else, I was talking about I 516 00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:54.840 don't even know what to call it, man an encounter. I guess I 517 00:34:54.880 --> 00:34:59.559 can call it what you will. I was out in the woods looking for 518 00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:05.920 big it, and uh we were it was at nighttime. Some other stuff 519 00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:09.400 was going on, so we were actually at camp. We weren't technically out 520 00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:15.000 in the woods looking for Bigfoot at that moment, but I feel it's necessary 521 00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:20.639 to mention that. And I had walked away in one direction from everybody else. 522 00:35:20.639 --> 00:35:22.920 I'm on a paved road and you know, the camp grounds or whatever, 523 00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:29.000 and I didn't have a flashlight. I had no light with me at 524 00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:32.320 all, and I got pretty far away from camp and I kind of it 525 00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:36.199 kind of dawned on me for a second, like, WHOA, you should 526 00:35:36.199 --> 00:35:38.360 probably, you know, get back to camp. You don't have a light 527 00:35:38.440 --> 00:35:45.199 or anything. And the road that I was walking back on, there's a 528 00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:55.119 trail that intersects it. And on this trail I heard footfalls very rapid coming 529 00:35:55.159 --> 00:36:01.079 towards the road and the trail basically interested to the road, about twenty feet 530 00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:07.519 from where I was standing, and I thought it was a person. I 531 00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:09.800 mean, it sounded like a person running. I'm certainly not expecting a big 532 00:36:09.800 --> 00:36:15.400 foot or anything like that. And this thing, and that's all I can 533 00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:22.000 describe it as crosses the road running full speed, crazy fast, and it 534 00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:27.039 was just like boom boom, And it's across the road entirely. Now. 535 00:36:27.039 --> 00:36:30.320 The road's not like a double lane road like you normally drive on. It's 536 00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:32.480 a camp road, you know. So it's about one and a half car 537 00:36:32.559 --> 00:36:39.239 width. But this thing immediately, you know, hits the other side of 538 00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:43.840 the road, hits the trail, it's going down the trail. I run 539 00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:47.880 over there, look down the trail, and I don't see anything. There's 540 00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:53.400 no movement, nothing, The leaves aren't even moving now. Whenever it came 541 00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:58.440 out of the trail at the road, I could see like the underbrush and 542 00:36:58.480 --> 00:37:01.679 stuff moving as it ran by it. But whenever it was hitting the road, 543 00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:07.840 I didn't hear anything. And this thing, I don't know if it 544 00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:13.400 was just because of how fast it was moving, but all I can say 545 00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:17.480 is it looked like a tall about six and a half feet tall, like 546 00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:22.840 shadow, just a black blur, just a dark blur. I couldn't make 547 00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:28.000 out any details. I've even at times whenever I've talked to people, I've 548 00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:30.239 compared it to like how people described like a shadow person, you know, 549 00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:36.159 in the paranormal world. It wasn't see through or anything, but I just 550 00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:40.320 couldn't see any details. And it was just like this blur running across the 551 00:37:40.400 --> 00:37:44.440 road and then just vanishes. I couldn't see it, I couldn't hear it 552 00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:49.199 or anything. And that just immediately popped in my head. Whenever you were 553 00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:54.119 describing what you saw that day the same sort of thing. Definitely spooky, 554 00:37:54.199 --> 00:38:00.920 definitely weird, for sure. I don't know how something in that large, 555 00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:06.360 moving at that rate of speed can do it silently. Yeah, it's pretty 556 00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:09.800 coy. Just go on with your gut. Did any of it feel paranormal 557 00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:20.360 to you? I don't think so. I've had a couple of people bring 558 00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:27.360 up in the past about that original feeling that I had that well, rather 559 00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:30.400 whatever kept repeating in my head, you shouldn't be here, you shouldn't be 560 00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:34.639 here. They brought up the mind speak stuff that goes on with big Foot, 561 00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:37.159 I suppose, and I honestly I don't have an answer for that. 562 00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:42.480 I wouldn't know what mind speak feels like anyways, or sounds like anyways, 563 00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:47.480 because I have no reference for this. But I have always leaned towards know 564 00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:52.679 that. I almost when I hear the people describe this mind speak, they 565 00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:55.719 say in a way that it sounds like it's someone or something else's voice. 566 00:38:57.320 --> 00:39:00.440 And I didn't necessarily feel that way. It was almost more like an tuition. 567 00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:04.159 Yeah, but something did keep repeating in my mind over and over. 568 00:39:04.679 --> 00:39:07.440 You shouldn't be here, you shouldn't be here. But I guess I don't 569 00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:10.239 have any I don't know either way, But it felt more like it was 570 00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:15.280 my own intuition telling you this. I guess the answer question, no, 571 00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:20.920 except I don't know. I guess if I'm open to ideas. When you 572 00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:24.599 say, but when you just described the incident that you had, you use 573 00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:30.639 words that I haven't before that are very accurate to my scenario as well, 574 00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:35.800 You're right it was it was blur? Is blur is strong maybe for my 575 00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:37.679 scenario. Yeah, but I guess I would lean I would lean more towards 576 00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:42.039 that it was a little more descriptive than blur. But yeah, I guess 577 00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:44.800 it was more blurred than detailed. I guess if I really think about it. 578 00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:47.079 I mean, yours also happened in broad daylight, and mine was in 579 00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:54.920 pitch darkness, so there is that. And uh, I mean I just 580 00:39:54.920 --> 00:39:58.599 couldn't make out in details. It just looked like, you know, a 581 00:39:58.719 --> 00:40:05.719 black humanoid figure that was definitely tall, the one that I saw that night. 582 00:40:06.039 --> 00:40:09.039 Whatever it was also appeared very skinny, though, and you said the 583 00:40:09.079 --> 00:40:13.320 ears had a lot of bulk to it, or more so than a person. 584 00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:19.679 Correct, Yeah, whenever you were looking at it the lack of detail 585 00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:23.320 that you saw. Do you attribute that to just a state of mind you're 586 00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:29.960 in, or the speed that it was moving, or just no explanation. 587 00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:34.800 Yeah, I'm open to all suggestions, but I've always attributed to the speed 588 00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:37.079 it well, the speed and effect that it was moving through trees, right, 589 00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:42.239 So I didn't see it at a constant it was it was in total, 590 00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:45.559 it was forty forty fifty Again I'm not very good at distance, but 591 00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:50.960 maybe forty fifty yards so I saw enough of it, and it's not super 592 00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:54.000 thick underbrush, so it's not as though, you know, I could only 593 00:40:54.039 --> 00:40:58.239 see from the neck up for ten yards before I went past a bunch of 594 00:40:58.280 --> 00:41:00.079 trees. You know, I was able to see it forty or fifty yards. 595 00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:06.800 It was just kind of sporadic as it went past trees. Yeah, 596 00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:10.679 but yeah, no, I mean, I've never in my mind felt like 597 00:41:10.679 --> 00:41:15.599 it was a paranormal experience to answer your question, but but I'm open to 598 00:41:15.639 --> 00:41:19.360 that, And certainly it could have been the blurryness I guess would explain something 599 00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:22.679 like that, So I certainly think it's possible, but I've never really thought 600 00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:25.760 that before I spent you know, about ten years out in the woods looking 601 00:41:25.840 --> 00:41:31.760 for these things, and I never had an encounter with them that I thought 602 00:41:31.880 --> 00:41:37.199 was them, at least that I felt was paranormal at all. But then 603 00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:43.760 I've talked to people you know that I completely believe that you know claim they 604 00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:45.880 had a paranormal experience with these things, and that's kind of part of the 605 00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:52.079 mystery. It definitely adds to it. I would just say, I agree 606 00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:58.559 with you that believe in the paranormal part of Bigfoot. There's just too many 607 00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:00.320 people talking about the orbs and it's and being associated with this and that, 608 00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:06.360 and there's just too much. There's too much. There's too many people talking 609 00:42:06.360 --> 00:42:09.320 about the same thing that seems to be very paranorver related. So I mean, 610 00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:14.159 I think, in my humble opinion that is not an expert and I 611 00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:16.920 really have no idea what how I'm talking about, But I think we're dealing 612 00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:24.280 with numerous things here. I'm not in the specifically flesh and blood nor specifically 613 00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:28.840 paranormal. I kind of think we're dealing with a little bit of both and 614 00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:31.039 or a lot of bit of both. And then what direction do you go 615 00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:34.440 there? I have no idea, but I'm with you. I do believe 616 00:42:34.440 --> 00:42:37.320 in the paranormal side of this stuff. I just don't know if mine was. 617 00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:40.280 So you reached out to me asking if I knew anybody in the area. 618 00:42:40.360 --> 00:42:45.960 Does that mean that this is something that you want to pursue. Are 619 00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:51.440 you going out looking for these things now? Absolutely not. No. What 620 00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:55.519 it was was you had you had had a guy in your I'm terrible with 621 00:42:55.559 --> 00:42:58.719 this. I don't remember the details. I just remember the story. But 622 00:42:58.760 --> 00:43:02.079 it was a guy who who became a Buddhist and right he was he was 623 00:43:02.119 --> 00:43:05.719 on the show and he was talking about how he interacts with him all the 624 00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:08.960 time because of his Buddhism, and he had mentioned that he was doing this 625 00:43:09.079 --> 00:43:12.760 around the Bingham to New York area, which is where I'm from. So 626 00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:15.719 I had reached out to ask it, honestly, if you you were willing 627 00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:19.280 to connect me with him so I could. I just wanted to meet the 628 00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:22.920 guy, talk to him and kind of hear his stories. And you know, 629 00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:24.920 you go online and thank God for social media and thank God for you 630 00:43:24.920 --> 00:43:29.159 guys in your podcast. It really is a therapy and and I actually want 631 00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:30.039 to take it that oportunity. Thank you very much for what you do, 632 00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:34.679 because it really is such a therapy for everybody to be able to come on 633 00:43:34.760 --> 00:43:40.639 and talk about their their incident. I really appreciate that. It's as much 634 00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:45.519 therapy for me as it is for anybody else. You know, it helps 635 00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:49.000 me deal with, you know, what I've seen and the things I've experienced, 636 00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:53.239 and sure, you know, I've become probably more obsessed with it than 637 00:43:53.480 --> 00:43:58.800 most of the people I talked to on the show. Sure, and each 638 00:43:58.840 --> 00:44:01.800 one of them helps, you know, like just talking to you that helps 639 00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:06.440 you with that incident that I was just speaking about, because that was that's 640 00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:10.840 something that you know, it's especially as someone who used to go out and 641 00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:15.719 investigate these things. You know, you got to be careful with the things 642 00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:21.280 you say. And that was one of those things where like it was really 643 00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:23.519 hard to talk about because people start kind of looking at east Side. I'd 644 00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:28.159 like, oh, I guess maybe you're starting to see things out there. 645 00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:30.000 Maybe you should, you know, take a step back or something. But 646 00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:35.199 like that's what I experienced that and that's all I can do is just deliver 647 00:44:35.320 --> 00:44:37.639 the truth. And that's what it was. I don't understand it. I 648 00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:43.719 don't have an explanation, but that's what it was. Yeah, I agree. 649 00:44:43.800 --> 00:44:45.480 I don't do that. I have no interest in going out and try 650 00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:49.000 to find these things, but I do make it a habit, or I 651 00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:52.000 have made it a habit rather too. Anybody that I meet or that I 652 00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:54.960 know that that is a hunter or a hiker just spends on the time in 653 00:44:55.000 --> 00:44:58.440 the wars, I'll ask him, and I don't. To be honest, 654 00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:00.360 I'm at a point in my life I don't care what they I really honestly 655 00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:04.039 don't, So I'll ask them. You know, if you've ever excuse something 656 00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:09.000 weird, and it's fifty fifty really as far as their initial reaction, most 657 00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:12.360 people kind of look at or half the people look at you like you're weird 658 00:45:12.360 --> 00:45:15.800 and the other half or no, not really. But what's interesting is, 659 00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:21.000 regardless of how they look at me, more times than not I get the 660 00:45:21.079 --> 00:45:24.760 same answer initially, no, not really, but there was this one time, 661 00:45:24.800 --> 00:45:27.880 and then they're going to tell me a story that, of course I 662 00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:30.000 can't say it was Bigfoot, but does have a lot of similarities to a 663 00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:34.199 lot of other stories that would that would resemble Bigfoot, you know what I 664 00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:37.480 mean? Or at least something weird and something different and something out there. 665 00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:39.679 I was saying more times than not. I do get people that, even 666 00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:44.199 if they're not believe from big Foot at all, they do have some sort 667 00:45:44.199 --> 00:45:47.800 of odd story, very odd story in the woods. It's kind of strange 668 00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:52.000 how those odd stories contain a lot of the same details that are often associated 669 00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:57.360 with big Foot that people don't even realize. That's exactly what I was trying 670 00:45:57.360 --> 00:46:00.639 to say. You worded it a lot better than I did streamline way. 671 00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:02.199 Yeah, that's that's exactly what I was trying. I'm good at repeating the 672 00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:07.920 exact thing that someone just said, so well, well done. Well yeah, 673 00:46:08.039 --> 00:46:13.280 man, I appreciate you coming on here and sharing your story like that. 674 00:46:14.840 --> 00:46:17.320 Mister Kang, I believe it was. If he happens to be listening, 675 00:46:17.360 --> 00:46:22.599 I've lost your contact information. Ryan's trying to get ahold of you, 676 00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:24.480 man, So if you hear this, hit me up and I'll put you 677 00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:28.559 guys in touch, that'd be awesome. Thank you, and again, yeah, 678 00:46:28.599 --> 00:46:30.519 no, thanks for having me. I really appreciate it. Like I 679 00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:34.079 said, I'm just repeating myself. But it's a therapy, man, and 680 00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:37.679 it helps so much to talk to somebody about it, And for those listeners 681 00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:43.079 that may have an encounter, I highly encourage you to reach out to somebody 682 00:46:43.639 --> 00:46:46.320 mad or whoever, because it really is such a weightlift off your shoulder just 683 00:46:46.360 --> 00:46:50.079 being able to talk about it. So no, thank you, I really 684 00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:53.639 appreciate you having me absolutely, and if you do want to reach out to 685 00:46:53.639 --> 00:46:59.239 me with your story of a bigfoot encounter or something else you've experienced, email 686 00:46:59.320 --> 00:47:02.480 me at Bigfoot Rosroads at gmail dot com. Check out Bigfoot Crossroads dot com. 687 00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:07.159 You can find links to social media, merchandise, a contact form that 688 00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:10.800 reaches me directly, past episodes, everything you need all in one place, 689 00:47:12.639 --> 00:47:15.079 and until next time, remember there's something in the woods.