1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:04,559 Are you still drinking the Bigfoot kool aid? Well you better spit it out 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:15,800 and grab your head funds. That Bigfoot podcast is starting right now, Wayne. 3 00:00:15,839 --> 00:00:18,760 What's up man? What's going on, Buddy Hey? Doing today? 4 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:23,320 IM good man? I am enjoying the rainy sunday in the South here at 5 00:00:23,359 --> 00:00:26,679 the big Foot Bungalow. It's raining like hell. It's a good day to 6 00:00:26,679 --> 00:00:30,120 be in here recording a that Bigfoot podcast episode. What's going on with you? 7 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:34,079 Man? I could not agree with you more? Think the thing. 8 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:41,200 It is also raining here in Tennessee. I got my granddaughter's third birthday party 9 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,600 here in just a little bit, so I'm excited about that. Yeah, 10 00:00:44,759 --> 00:00:48,439 happy birthday, Cec. I forgot you were so old that you had a 11 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:52,280 grandkid. That's awesome. I know it, man. I got a three 12 00:00:52,359 --> 00:00:56,200 year old granddaughter and a two and a half year old daughter. God, 13 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,960 and you don't look a day over twenty six. I know it, man, 14 00:01:00,039 --> 00:01:03,759 And I thank you Good Lord every day for this baby face. I 15 00:01:03,759 --> 00:01:06,120 want to get into your skincare regimen, but we're not going to do that. 16 00:01:06,159 --> 00:01:07,920 We can talk about some other start today. We had all kinds of 17 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,359 things to talk about, but I want to do a little bit of mail 18 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,840 bag digging before we get into some of the other stuff we're going to talk 19 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,840 about. But before we even get to the mail bag, let's talk about 20 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:23,480 a couple of things. You were on over at squatch DTV with Steve Coles 21 00:01:23,519 --> 00:01:26,959 and I think his co host's name is Chris. How was that. I've 22 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,439 been on Steve's show, I've had him on my show. I know you 23 00:01:29,519 --> 00:01:32,280 just had Steve on your show. I think last night you guys did a 24 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,000 live What did you guys talk about when you were on the show. Is 25 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:38,920 that the first time you had been on his show and had the squatch d 26 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:46,120 experience? It was I met Steve through you you held a while back before 27 00:01:46,159 --> 00:01:49,920 there was even that big Foot podcast. You held a big round table. 28 00:01:49,959 --> 00:01:53,879 There are ten of us in there on the live event, and Steve was 29 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,680 in there, Doug hat Chuck was in there, Pat from squatch Talk was 30 00:01:57,719 --> 00:02:00,439 in there, the Kentucky atsall guys the US. That's the first time I 31 00:02:00,519 --> 00:02:06,519 ever really interacted with him. And then you went on his show. And 32 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:13,520 there's a certain individual in the community that I am curious about certain allegations and 33 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:15,400 stuff, and I thought Steve would be the perfect guy to ask, So 34 00:02:15,479 --> 00:02:20,240 I asked you to connect us, and when you did, he invited me 35 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,240 on his show. That same conversation, I went on, I had just 36 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:28,120 a great time. Had no idea how cool of a guy Steve really is. 37 00:02:28,159 --> 00:02:34,479 And he's got that deep voice and he puts off military armed forces that 38 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,159 persona and can be intimidating to some people, but he's nothing at all like 39 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:43,240 that. He's a cool dude. Had a great time over there on his 40 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,520 show, and I invited him to come on mine, and like you said, 41 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:49,919 he was on last night on Paranormal Odyssey Love and had a great talk 42 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:53,000 with him. He talked about his personal experiences and I asked him about some 43 00:02:53,039 --> 00:02:57,960 of the people that he has busted for hoaxes over the years, and he 44 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,520 was schooling me on just all kinds of stuff. After the interview, sometimes 45 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:04,560 the guests will hang out after you close it and you talk for a few 46 00:03:04,599 --> 00:03:07,479 minutes, and Steve did that. He hung out with us after the show 47 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:12,319 last night, and he actually thanked me for asking him questions that he had 48 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,520 never been asked before, the stuff that he wasn't expecting, and he enjoyed 49 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:20,240 that. So y'all go and check that out if you don't mind. But 50 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:22,759 yes, he's an awesome guy, had a great time on the show. 51 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,400 Yeah, man, I met him years ago and he's one of those people 52 00:03:25,439 --> 00:03:30,280 that I have reached out to. Sometimes I'll just text him and ask him 53 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:36,199 a quick question about somebody and he's like this encyclopedia of bigfoot hoax serene knowledge 54 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,400 that he'll just come back. Oh yeah, I busted that dude like seventeen 55 00:03:38,439 --> 00:03:42,680 months ago, and I got the video and Nei'll point you in the right 56 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:46,319 direction to go get all the information that you really need. He's a repository 57 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:50,800 of all of these bigfoot hoaxes that he has busted, and he gets a 58 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,039 lot of shit for it. Frankly, there's a lot of people in the 59 00:03:53,039 --> 00:03:55,639 community that don't like that kind of stuff. But he puts in the time 60 00:03:55,840 --> 00:04:00,199 and the energy and the effort to go and do these deep die I have 61 00:04:00,919 --> 00:04:04,199 investigations into these people and he finds things that people have never found before. 62 00:04:04,639 --> 00:04:08,840 You can have a conversation with about anybody, whether it's be tied standing or 63 00:04:08,879 --> 00:04:13,360 maybe somebody that may just be fresh on your radar that just popped up that 64 00:04:13,759 --> 00:04:15,959 is not as well known. Chances are Steve's going to know about him, 65 00:04:15,959 --> 00:04:17,959 and if he doesn't, he's going to write down the name and then he's 66 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,879 going to look into it and then do a show about it. So it 67 00:04:20,959 --> 00:04:26,160 was interesting to me to see the serendipity thing. It's almost like everything's connected 68 00:04:26,199 --> 00:04:29,199 in some way. I hook you up with Steve, you go on his 69 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,360 show, that he's on your show. I've been on his show, I've 70 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:35,759 had him over here, and then I do my little social experiment that we 71 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:41,120 talked about on the last episode, and lo and behold, you said it 72 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:45,240 before we started recording today. I've been stering shit up for whatever reason in 73 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,439 the community because I started getting messages from people obviously when I went live on 74 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,720 Instagram and Facebook and talking about some of the things I was doing with social 75 00:04:51,759 --> 00:04:57,240 media, and Steve was one of those people that reached out immediately and said, 76 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,519 hey, man, I think that's awesome. They're doing this new show 77 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,240 that they do live where he and Chris I believe as his co host. 78 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,839 I hope that's his name. I'm horrible with names, so if it's not, 79 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:10,800 I apologize. But they're going to talk about what's going on in Bigfoot 80 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:16,839 News, and he led with my social experiment on Instagram and Facebook as their 81 00:05:16,959 --> 00:05:20,720 lead story, and he actually pulled some of the live that I did off 82 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:25,279 of Instagram and chopped it up and played a little bit of it for everybody. 83 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,639 That kind of explained what was going on, because I was getting some 84 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:31,279 shit from people Todd Gatewood, which we'll get into here shortly, about just 85 00:05:31,319 --> 00:05:39,000 doing a social experiment and seeing what was working versus clickbait versus real stories and 86 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,800 those kind of things. And it was just interesting to me that ninety nine 87 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:46,120 point nine eight percent of the response that I got from that when I did 88 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,040 come out and say hey, this is what's been going on, was positive. 89 00:05:49,079 --> 00:05:51,879 And Steve was one of those people, and he obviously talked about it 90 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:56,519 on his show that night. A couple of nights ago, and then Jeff 91 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,199 from Pine Island's Research did the same thing. He reached out and said, 92 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:00,959 hey, Steve's going to do a show about this from nine to ten, 93 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,759 and then I'm going to talk about it on my show live from ten to 94 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:10,160 whenever, and then he ended up doing I think Jeff got Pat from Squatch 95 00:06:10,199 --> 00:06:14,480 Talk over there, and then he had after his show, Steve popped in 96 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,399 onto his live. They ended up doing like a two hour and forty seven 97 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:21,240 minute live show. It wasn't all about my social experiment by any means. 98 00:06:21,439 --> 00:06:24,800 I don't even know if they mentioned it, frankly, because I haven't looked 99 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,560 at it yet. I haven't had the time to look at the entire live, 100 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,920 but they were talking about the differences in what people believe about Bigfoot and 101 00:06:31,959 --> 00:06:36,519 where your beliefs begin and end and where other people's pick up. So I'm 102 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,839 anxious to go back and listen to it. I think it got a little 103 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,040 heated from what Jeff was saying, so I might go and dig into the 104 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,120 drama later on at some point. But it was really interesting to me again 105 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:51,000 that people responded to the social experiment the way that they did and pretty much 106 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,800 agreed with what I had to say for the most part, outside of a 107 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:56,959 couple of people, which, like I said, we'll get into here in 108 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,360 a minute. Have you got any feedback or have you had any flack or 109 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:05,279 seen any flack online from us talking about the little experiment that I did with 110 00:07:05,319 --> 00:07:10,480 the clickbait? I personally haven't, but I've been keeping up with how much 111 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:15,680 shit you've been gathering the image that you put out, Let's just be honest. 112 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:20,199 Anybody with half a brain knows that's not a real image. You were 113 00:07:20,279 --> 00:07:26,920 doing it mockingly. It's almost a cartoon image of what appeared to be the 114 00:07:26,959 --> 00:07:30,240 back of a sasquatch legs, and it's the damn things taken from the ground. 115 00:07:30,279 --> 00:07:35,560 Who hangs their trail camps on the ground. So for people to get 116 00:07:35,959 --> 00:07:41,839 that upset up in arms about it, I just I don't understand that you 117 00:07:41,959 --> 00:07:44,639 caught hell from a couple of people. We've been wanting to get people talking. 118 00:07:45,079 --> 00:07:47,480 People started talking, So I guess that's the plus. That's the case, 119 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:53,000 man, that Bigfoot podcast has gotten everybody talking. We're very fortunate in 120 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,680 that we've said it in the live, we said it on the last couple 121 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,920 of shows. The show has exploded, and you guys are downloading it in 122 00:07:58,959 --> 00:08:01,920 record numbers, and we can't thank you enough. We're glad that you're here 123 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:05,720 and we enjoy the conversations that you are a part of. So let's dig 124 00:08:05,759 --> 00:08:07,160 into the mail bag. Man. Let's get into some of this before we 125 00:08:07,199 --> 00:08:11,279 talk about our main topic, which is some of these mysterious deaths that you 126 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:16,519 talked about. In Tennessee and North Carolina and other places across the country. 127 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:20,240 I think it's definitely worth us getting into and at least starting the conversation on. 128 00:08:20,319 --> 00:08:22,560 So we'll get there shortly. You guys hang out through the mail bag. 129 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,639 Let me go in here and pull some of the things that you guys 130 00:08:26,639 --> 00:08:30,319 have sent via We have that contact button where you can send us a message 131 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,919 via email on the website, and some people have been just emailing me directly. 132 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:37,240 Let me start off with Podbean. Podbean is one of those podcast apps 133 00:08:37,279 --> 00:08:41,559 that you have the ability unlike any other app. Really, Podbean is really 134 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:46,080 the only place where you can actually leave comments. And I've talked about Fatty. 135 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,600 I think I mentioned him on the last episode. Fatty comments on just 136 00:08:48,639 --> 00:08:52,679 about every episode of Sasquatch Odyssey over there and has started to do that with 137 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:58,240 that Bigfoot podcast. I was looking through that this morning and I saw a 138 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,639 couple of interesting posts and it's from the same person. So I'm only going 139 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:05,519 to read one of these and just address it whole cloth here. Steve on 140 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:11,080 Podbean says, the Miller document has nothing to do with MK Davis. You 141 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:15,360 should read the Miller document, and then he had another one on another episode. 142 00:09:15,399 --> 00:09:18,000 I think it was episode two that we put out about the MK Davis 143 00:09:18,039 --> 00:09:22,960 massacre theory at Bluff Creek, and I thought I just scratched in my head. 144 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:24,720 I had to read it a couple of times to make sure that I 145 00:09:24,759 --> 00:09:28,559 was reading what I thought I was reading. I don't know how a. 146 00:09:28,159 --> 00:09:33,240 It's in episode one of the Bluff Creek Massacre that we did over here on 147 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:37,240 that Bigfoot podcast. So if you haven't heard that, it's literally like twenty 148 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:41,960 five minutes of me reading the Miller Document exactly, verbatim, word for word 149 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,600 as it was written. So I have read it. I actually read it 150 00:09:46,639 --> 00:09:50,639 into the record, so to speak, here on the show for everybody in 151 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:56,240 perpetuity. But the Miller Document has everything to do with MK Davis. It 152 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:00,840 mentions him by name. How can it not? The Miller docum was written 153 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:07,519 specifically because MK Davis made these Bluff Creek massacre claims, and it started the 154 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:11,240 entire ball rolling. So Steve, I apologize, man, I'm just not 155 00:10:11,279 --> 00:10:13,519 picking up what you're putting down. I don't understand what that means the Miller 156 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:18,200 Document. If there's another Miller document, Brian that he's referring to, and 157 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,919 he's just not familiar with this one. It's possible, and I thought about 158 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,320 that this morning. I did not have time. I was posting another one 159 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:28,679 of your episodes, an amazing episode of Paranormal Odyssey that I just posted to 160 00:10:28,759 --> 00:10:31,840 everybody. Go check that out, Bigfoot from Tennessee to Las Vegas. It's 161 00:10:31,879 --> 00:10:35,000 a great episode. I was posting that this morning before we hopped on to 162 00:10:35,039 --> 00:10:37,919 do this, and I haven't had a chance to look at that, but 163 00:10:37,039 --> 00:10:43,080 you may be right because there was a doctor Miller or a doctor somebody I 164 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,240 think that put out some documents. We'll have to look into that, so 165 00:10:46,639 --> 00:10:48,639 you might have just solved the mystery there. If anybody knows what we're talking 166 00:10:48,639 --> 00:10:52,879 about, let us know, send us an email and you may know what 167 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:54,879 he's talking about. But now that you mentioned it, that does sound familiar, 168 00:10:54,919 --> 00:10:58,519 so that maybe what Steve is talking about. There's another one that I'm 169 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:03,279 going to reed for you later on from Russ who was always posting in our 170 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:09,399 group and stirring the shit with his campfire discussions in our Facebook group. But 171 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,320 that's more for me to read to you. I'm going to do that privately. 172 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:18,240 Let's get into this. Todd Gatewood Debacle. We'll call it Gatewood gate 173 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:22,559 how about that? Most of you have heard by now the episode that I 174 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:26,480 put out over on Sasquatch Odyssey. I sat down with Daniel from the Mythical 175 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:31,639 Legends podcast. He had MK Davis and Todd Gatewood on to talk about these 176 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,679 new images of Patty that they've put out from the Patterson Gimblin film. And 177 00:11:35,759 --> 00:11:39,600 I've told you guys on here and on Sasquatch Odyssey, we were working out 178 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:43,720 dates to get them back on the show. So I've been talking back and 179 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,000 forth with Todd. Todd has my cell phone number, he hasn't used it, 180 00:11:46,039 --> 00:11:50,279 but we've been going back and forth on Facebook Messenger, and I sent 181 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,360 him after I spoke to you Wayne and said, hey, I want to 182 00:11:52,399 --> 00:11:56,240 do a live and have him MK Davis, you, maybe a couple of 183 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:01,200 other people on to do a roundtable and do that big Foot podcast live and 184 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,799 have them on for the second round of this interview. Because we didn't get 185 00:12:03,799 --> 00:12:07,159 into any of the tough questions about the massacre. We didn't get into any 186 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:11,759 of the tough questions about whether he used AI, how he got these images, 187 00:12:11,799 --> 00:12:15,000 those kind of things. So after I had a conversation with you where 188 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:16,519 we're going to set it up. Full disclosure, we were going to do 189 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,879 it on February twenty second. We're going to do a live show and Daniel 190 00:12:20,879 --> 00:12:24,960 from the UK was going to join us because he started all this because he 191 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:28,840 had the interview on his podcast the first time around. So I sent that 192 00:12:28,919 --> 00:12:33,279 date to Todd Gatewood. I got the response back that he wanted to wait 193 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:37,039 for Daniel's episode to come out, which is not happening until March. I 194 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,559 gave him the link so he could see the video that I put out over 195 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:45,480 on the Sasquatch try to see YouTube page and it was out on audio podcast 196 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:50,399 and I really got no response. And then you sent me a text yesterday 197 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:54,720 saying, hey man, Todd Gatewood's going off on you and the Paranormal World 198 00:12:54,720 --> 00:13:00,879 Productions Facebook page. What's going on with that? So I get on go 199 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:05,039 over and look at the and sure enough, this is what I read from 200 00:13:05,519 --> 00:13:11,000 Todd Gatewood posted in our Facebook page, the Paranormal World Productions Facebook page. 201 00:13:11,519 --> 00:13:16,360 I should say this, and I quote, Paranormal World Productions is just a 202 00:13:16,399 --> 00:13:22,200 site that wants to generate conflict, controversy and toxicity. Nobody follows. This 203 00:13:22,279 --> 00:13:28,360 group really enjoys it. It's why their views and numbers are insignificantly low. 204 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:33,720 They can't even understand this. Raise the bar. Challenge yourself to be positive, 205 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:39,279 Todd Gatewood, Now where do I start? Let me start here, 206 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,000 Wayne. Let me just shut up and ask you the question. Wayne, 207 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:45,399 you read that before I did. How did you feel when you saw that 208 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:50,720 post? And were you surprised by it at all? I was very surprised 209 00:13:50,759 --> 00:13:54,759 because I thought the two of you got along pretty well. You had told 210 00:13:54,799 --> 00:14:01,600 me about your personal interactions with them where he was fond of you and thinks 211 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:05,279 that you do a great job. So it caught me off guard. What 212 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:09,120 I didn't really understand. And I think Steve Coles actually commented on this. 213 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:13,320 He says three or four negative things and then tells you to be positive. 214 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,440 I don't get where you're coming from with that, Todd. I don't know. 215 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:20,080 Just seems like it came out of nowhere. It wasn't warranted that, 216 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:26,080 it wasn't a response to anything. It was an original post that he felt 217 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:30,639 needed to take his time away from his family or his job whatever he's doing 218 00:14:30,919 --> 00:14:35,480 to express And I just don't understand why. What was he hoping to get 219 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:39,200 from that. What did he think was gonna come? Do you think everyone 220 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:41,919 was just gonna say you're right, Todd? Maybe, thank you, thank 221 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:46,440 you for teaching us lessons about life. I just don't understand what he was 222 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,919 wanting from it. Yeah, I don't either, man. It completely caught 223 00:14:48,919 --> 00:14:54,960 me off guard, and unfortunately I have addressed this privately, but one of 224 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,159 our admins took it upon themselves to block him and ban him from the group, 225 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:03,720 which I am immediately reversed and corrected and invited him back to be able 226 00:15:03,759 --> 00:15:05,840 to continue the conversation. He chose not to do that. We did that 227 00:15:05,919 --> 00:15:09,039 privately. It was not a very constructive conversation. I can tell you that 228 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:13,360 I'm not gonna bore you guys with the details of that, but we agreed 229 00:15:13,399 --> 00:15:16,120 to disagree, and I just put it out there clearly, We're not going 230 00:15:16,159 --> 00:15:18,919 to bring you on the show if that's how you feel about the show. 231 00:15:18,399 --> 00:15:24,440 Just making personal attacks like that in a Facebook group and an open forum is 232 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,440 just not a good look. Man. You have to keep things professional. 233 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:31,600 I consider myself a professional. This is what I do for a living. 234 00:15:33,039 --> 00:15:37,080 I treat everybody as fairly and respectably as I possibly can. I try to 235 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,759 treat people the way I would want people to treat my mother. That's how 236 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,279 I operated as a police officer, and that's how I operate as a podcaster. 237 00:15:43,679 --> 00:15:48,200 But I'm gonna tell you something Amy Boo said the other night about Bigfoot. 238 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,240 We were talking about whether Bigfoot is dangerous or not. We got our 239 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,360 Bigfoot round table on calling all beings. Amy said, Look, I'm one 240 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,600 of the nicest people on earth, but if you mess with my daughter, 241 00:15:56,639 --> 00:16:00,639 I'm not going to be nice anymore. And I'm that way about my work. 242 00:16:00,679 --> 00:16:03,240 I'm that way about my group. I'm that way about my fans. 243 00:16:03,279 --> 00:16:06,399 I'm that way about the members of our group, and I'm certainly like that 244 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:10,720 about our shows. If you attack us unfairly and you say things that are 245 00:16:10,759 --> 00:16:14,919 false, like low numbers, I don't even know where this is coming from. 246 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,320 I don't know how you judge the size of the Facebook group versus the 247 00:16:18,399 --> 00:16:22,279 numbers on the I don't even know what kind of backwoods, fucked up math 248 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:26,159 he's using to come up with these theories that he has. But I was 249 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:32,600 quick to post we have a pretty decent sized audience. Every podcast that's under 250 00:16:32,639 --> 00:16:37,440 the Paranormal World Production Studio is in the top one to three percent of all 251 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:41,279 podcasts in the world. Sasquatch Out to See in particular, is in the 252 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:45,759 top point five percent of podcast in the world. I even posted it from 253 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:51,240 listen notes like it's researchable. You can go research it, right, It's 254 00:16:51,279 --> 00:16:53,039 not just me saying these things. You can go find this for yourself. 255 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,000 And then I just got to the point where I was like, I'm arguing 256 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,480 with this dude. It's not going to change his mind. It doesn't matter. 257 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,679 Now he faced the wrath of the people in the group because I look 258 00:17:03,759 --> 00:17:06,839 this morning, there's about forty five comments I think, and none of them 259 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:11,519 are agreeing with anything that he had to say in his post. Let's just 260 00:17:11,559 --> 00:17:14,680 put it that way. And he brought up something else that I think we 261 00:17:14,759 --> 00:17:15,640 might need to talk about it. I don't know if now's the time to 262 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,079 talk about it, but here's what I had to make a post in the 263 00:17:18,079 --> 00:17:22,119 group yesterday and say, look, and this is pretty much what I told 264 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:26,160 the admins behind the scenes. Our group is not to allow anybody to attack 265 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,279 anybody. We don't do that, right. If you're in the group, 266 00:17:29,319 --> 00:17:32,279 We're not going to let people do a whole bunch of crazy shit. But 267 00:17:32,319 --> 00:17:34,599 I'm different. I'm a public figure. I have shows, I have a 268 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,240 platform, and I say what I want to say about people, and I 269 00:17:37,279 --> 00:17:40,920 put my opinions out there. People are going to disagree with me. I 270 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:44,880 invite that the group is a perfect place to do that. You can engage 271 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,960 in that conversation openly, in the light of day. So I said to 272 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,359 the admins and the people in the group, and I see it now publicly. 273 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:52,480 If you're in the group or you want to come and join the group, 274 00:17:52,519 --> 00:17:56,880 here's the thing. When it comes to me, I don't care what 275 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,519 people say. It's going to be out there on front street. I don't 276 00:17:59,519 --> 00:18:02,319 have anything. I can take care of myself. I'm a big boy. 277 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:06,799 But if people are being derogatory and they are attacking group members, we're not 278 00:18:06,839 --> 00:18:08,359 going to stand for that. We've banned plenty of people in the past for 279 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,920 doing crazy shit. We'll continue to do that. But just know, I'm 280 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:15,000 going to invite the open dialogue, and I think it's great. It's the 281 00:18:15,039 --> 00:18:18,200 perfect way to let people like that make an ass out of themselves publicly. 282 00:18:18,839 --> 00:18:22,920 It does the job for me. I don't have to do it because anybody 283 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:27,880 can see he's delusional and he's got some kind of issue clearly with me personally 284 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:32,319 now for whatever reason, I'm not sure. So I said all that to 285 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:34,920 say, we're not going to have the follow up interview with MK Davis and 286 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,440 Todd Gatewood at least on any of my shows. But we are going to 287 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:42,039 continue the conversation. We are going to talk about those images. We are 288 00:18:42,079 --> 00:18:45,160 going to break down these latest images of the Patterson Gimblin film. We're just 289 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,160 going to do it in a different way. If you guys watch the proof 290 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:52,480 is out there. You've seen the episode. I'm sure I don't recall exactly 291 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,720 what number it is or what the name of the episode is, but it's 292 00:18:55,720 --> 00:19:00,640 a recent episode with doctor Jeff Meldrum and doctor Isaac t who is a PhD 293 00:19:02,559 --> 00:19:04,759 who has done some of the work that you've probably seen his work out there 294 00:19:04,759 --> 00:19:08,920 with the Patterson Gimlin film. It's a very crystal clear, stabilized version of 295 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:14,359 Patty walking across the sandbar. I reached out to doctor t In. We 296 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,720 have some mutual friends in common, so I reached out to him and we 297 00:19:17,799 --> 00:19:19,279 are getting him scheduled to come on the show. At some point in time 298 00:19:19,279 --> 00:19:23,880 here in the future, because he is one that could speak to the images 299 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:29,759 that mister Gatewood and mister Davis have put out there from the Patterson Gimlin film. 300 00:19:29,759 --> 00:19:33,240 He's done his own work and miraculously, I know this is going to 301 00:19:33,279 --> 00:19:37,279 be a shocker. We need one of those shocker sound things. Bumbob Todd. 302 00:19:37,319 --> 00:19:42,759 Gatewood has publicly attacked him on social media. I know it's very shocking, 303 00:19:44,599 --> 00:19:48,200 but mister Gatewood has also attacked doctor ten, accusing him of stealing MK 304 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:52,200 Davis and possibly even his images to do some of the work that he's done, 305 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:57,880 even though he's a PhD who's produced a peer reviewed paper on all the 306 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:03,880 work that he's done. Mister Gatewood seems to be again attacking him, thinking 307 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,799 he's been robbed in some way, shape, form or fashion and MK Davis's 308 00:20:07,839 --> 00:20:10,960 images has been used. And again I can't speak intelligently about it. I 309 00:20:11,039 --> 00:20:14,279 certainly something will ask Doctor ten when he's on, But it was my understanding 310 00:20:14,279 --> 00:20:17,640 that they did, in fact you some of the early images that MK Davis 311 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:19,960 had produced, and I think he was given credit for that in the paper. 312 00:20:21,079 --> 00:20:23,119 We've certainly asked that, and if that's not the case. I'll certainly 313 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,880 ask him why that was the case and why they didn't give him credit. 314 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,799 So we're going to have that coming up soon. Hopefully you can be a 315 00:20:29,799 --> 00:20:32,200 part of that too, Wayne, if you're so inclined. I'd love to 316 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,319 have you be a part of that conversation because I think that's the best way 317 00:20:34,319 --> 00:20:37,920 to handle it. Man. I think Todd's statements they speak for themselves. 318 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,400 I have a good time going back and forth with people. I don't mind 319 00:20:41,759 --> 00:20:45,599 slugging it out on social media. I've done that with plenty of people in 320 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,839 the past. But it just makes him look really bad. In my opinion. 321 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,160 You're attacking people personally, and he continued the personal attacks, called me 322 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:56,240 a mall cop and some other things, and private messages, just personal stuff 323 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:00,319 that shouldn't be put out there like that. It it takes a way from 324 00:21:00,319 --> 00:21:03,400 the work. It takes away from the community in general. In my opinion. 325 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,759 When you start attacking people personally like that, it's like going on there 326 00:21:06,759 --> 00:21:08,720 and are you supposed to be talking about the Patterson Gimblin film or Bigfoot and 327 00:21:08,759 --> 00:21:11,960 you start talking about the way people look. It's just not a good luck, 328 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,720 man. I just I don't know. Do you have any final words 329 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,119 on that before we move on to something else. Yeah, it's just like 330 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:23,160 with any argument, whether it be with a coworker or your employer, a 331 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:29,240 significant other, husband, wife, it comes a point in any argument where 332 00:21:29,279 --> 00:21:32,640 you just have to accept I'm not going to change their mind. They're not 333 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:37,160 going to change my mind. We need to just step away because nothing constructive 334 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,880 is coming from this. I feel like that's the point that we're at now. 335 00:21:41,039 --> 00:21:42,519 You're not going to change a man's mind. He's certainly not going to 336 00:21:42,559 --> 00:21:48,079 change hours. So what good are we doing by name calling and bashing and 337 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:52,480 all that. It's not doing anyone any good. So I agree one percent 338 00:21:53,279 --> 00:21:57,200 with the thought of just washing our hands with that conversation. It's not going 339 00:21:57,279 --> 00:22:00,960 to happen with those two individuals. We'll move on with this PhD that you've 340 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,920 got lined up, and we'll go from there and let the facts talk for 341 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:08,079 themselves. I definitely agree. Man. Let me get back into the mailbag 342 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:12,759 here with a couple of emails really quickly. Here's one from Tom that says 343 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:18,160 I've been binging everything Sasquatch late, both Sasquatch Odyssey and that Bigfoot podcast. 344 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:23,359 A good story, song, or movie must contain a conflict. A near 345 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:29,480 death experience with a sasquatch is more engaging than a one time glance of a 346 00:22:29,599 --> 00:22:33,960 leg thirty years ago. I would guess that the podcast or Instagram posts that 347 00:22:33,039 --> 00:22:38,519 create more disputes get more traction, like the post with the fake Sasquatch legs 348 00:22:38,519 --> 00:22:44,279 and feet. Personally, I like everything squatchy, but a person's story has 349 00:22:44,279 --> 00:22:48,279 a scary incident that gets attention faster. Keep the faith, Brian Tom, 350 00:22:48,799 --> 00:22:52,119 and he's right, man. I think everything comes down to conflicts. You 351 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:56,279 can't have a movie without something that's there's a conflict there. Even a good 352 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:00,720 books got to have a protagonist. Everything's got to have a Felick said, 353 00:23:00,839 --> 00:23:03,759 I certainly get it. That's why clickbait works. But here's another one from 354 00:23:03,799 --> 00:23:10,079 Michael t. He says, I think Steve Isdahl knows further connections to this, 355 00:23:10,279 --> 00:23:14,319 but it might just be through David Polaiti's missing four one one. I'm 356 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:18,599 not sure what he's reference in there. Tampering with evidence or hoaxing, as 357 00:23:18,799 --> 00:23:22,720 MK Davis is accused of is reprehensible at best, even if he did have 358 00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:27,480 positive contributions at some point in history like Todd's standing. If he hoaxed at 359 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:33,200 one point with his photos but now is having legit encounters, sorry, Todd 360 00:23:33,279 --> 00:23:37,319 is no longer a credible witness. The signal to nose ratio with the sasquatch 361 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,000 is out of whack. I think we need to banish hoaxhuers once and for 362 00:23:41,079 --> 00:23:45,839 all and just keep things sanitized as humanly possible. I don't know whether the 363 00:23:45,839 --> 00:23:51,000 Bluff Creek massacre happened or not. Sounds like a scretch. Sounds like a 364 00:23:51,039 --> 00:23:55,200 stretch, to say the least, But killing a bigfoot and seeing how similar 365 00:23:55,279 --> 00:23:59,680 they would look to humans when you got close enough to inspect the bodies seems 366 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,400 like a totally legitimate reason to tucktail and run so you don't get on hook 367 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:08,240 for murder if it did actually turn out to be just a deformed human and 368 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:14,079 didn't feel compelled to turn yourself into the authorities. Same reason as to why 369 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,480 a lot of hunters don't shoot them when they have the chance. How can 370 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,480 you be one hundred percent sure it's not a human in a suit up to 371 00:24:21,599 --> 00:24:26,559 some nonsense before you pull the trigger, or some hairy wwe wrestler out for 372 00:24:26,599 --> 00:24:32,359 a nasture walk responsible hunters know you can't take the bullet back. Keep up 373 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:36,599 the great work. I'm glad that you're covering different aspects of this phenomenon. 374 00:24:36,839 --> 00:24:40,400 That's from Michael T the last one from the mailbag, and we'll talk a 375 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,000 little bit about some of that stuff. Hey, guys, just wanted to 376 00:24:42,079 --> 00:24:47,119 drop a line on your engagement on Instagram, etc. Compared to the thousands 377 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:51,359 of podcast downloads. I can speak only for myself. I'm not in America, 378 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:56,160 and there's a bit of stigma around being interested in sasquatch. Personally, 379 00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:00,240 I don't do anything or follow anything on social media where my colleagues can see 380 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,400 what I'm interested in. I am in the Facebook group as it's private, 381 00:25:03,799 --> 00:25:08,680 but groups don't show me in their normal feeds, so I rarely visit anyway. 382 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:14,880 Just thought it might apply to more than just me. John m Let's 383 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,960 start with that last one first. That one came in literally just a few 384 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,960 minutes before we started recording this. But I didn't really even think about that, 385 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,599 and I don't know if it's even a possibility to maybe explain some of 386 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:30,440 the lower engagement or whatnot, particularly on Instagram and other things where you're although 387 00:25:30,599 --> 00:25:33,400 I think as I'm talking here, if you're really involved in that kind of 388 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:38,279 stuff, you can just make your profile private and change the name or not 389 00:25:38,279 --> 00:25:41,079 put up a picture or whatever and still follow that. But do you think 390 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:45,279 that's even a thing. I'm sure it is for some people. You don't 391 00:25:45,319 --> 00:25:48,720 want to be connected to Bigfoot as a phenomenon, and your friends and coworkers 392 00:25:48,759 --> 00:25:52,160 see what you're interested in, So maybe you're not in nine hundred Bigfoot groups. 393 00:25:52,279 --> 00:25:56,480 I don't know. Do you think that could be a possible explanation for 394 00:25:56,559 --> 00:26:00,839 some of the low engagement on some of the social media's stage for more of 395 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:07,079 that Bigfoot podcast, we will be right back after these messages. I've never 396 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:11,319 considered that, but it does make sense. People are in high profile jobs, 397 00:26:11,839 --> 00:26:17,920 attorneys, no government officials. I'm sure there are plenty out there that 398 00:26:18,039 --> 00:26:22,200 do have an interest in this but can't talk about it in fear of their 399 00:26:22,599 --> 00:26:29,680 professional reputations being damaged, so they can't really publicly comment on things and stuff. 400 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,759 That makes sense. I've never really considered that, But yeah, that 401 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:37,359 was a good email. Yeah, we appreciate it. John. I don't 402 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:38,880 think he said where he was from. He just says he's not in America, 403 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,319 so I don't know if he's in the UK or Canada or France or 404 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,000 what. I don't know where he's at, but it is a good point. 405 00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:48,720 I think there's a possibility that could account for some of it. But 406 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,880 at the end of the day, when it comes to the social experiment, 407 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,359 those numbers spoke for themselves. People were clicking on the clickbait and not other 408 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,240 things. And I have to say I've posted some things since then that were 409 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,680 more offerings enlightenment and other things related to Sasquatch, and we are getting some 410 00:27:03,759 --> 00:27:07,400 traction there and you guys are interacting with that, so we appreciate that greatly. 411 00:27:07,839 --> 00:27:11,640 I don't know, man, I think that's pretty much it for the 412 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,759 mail bag. I don't even want to get into the MK Davis stuff. 413 00:27:14,759 --> 00:27:18,200 And we'll talk about that with doctor t and And I think the massacre thing, 414 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,640 we've laid that to rest. We've buried it on the sandbar with possibly 415 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,599 a bunch of Bigfoot that were killed that day. I don't think it happened. 416 00:27:23,599 --> 00:27:26,400 I think it's a whole bunch of bullshit. I think that's pretty much 417 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,559 the end of it, and we're not going to dig up the todd standing 418 00:27:29,599 --> 00:27:32,119 thing. It is what it is, but we definitely appreciate that. We 419 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:36,039 appreciate you guys being a part of the show sending in your emails. I 420 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:40,160 got a ton of voicemails yesterday. I have not gone through them. One 421 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,400 person left us about an hour and ten minutes worth of audio I've got to 422 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,920 go through, so I'm not so sure what that's all about. But we'll 423 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,079 dig into that and hopefully you guys will hear at least some of that on 424 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,759 the show sometime in the future, whether it be Sasquatch Odyssey and or over 425 00:27:53,759 --> 00:27:57,319 here. Wayne, you sent me some interesting stuff that I want to at 426 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:02,319 least get into today. I know we might actually have to do a follow 427 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,640 up because I think we're probably going to get some response from people that are 428 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:10,400 interested in this kind of stuff. It's in the vein of the missing for 429 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,119 one one. That seems to be a very popular thing that people are into, 430 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,480 whether it's the books or the documentaries. You sent me this, and 431 00:28:17,519 --> 00:28:18,880 it's something that's been on my radar, and I've talked to other people, 432 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,200 and I'll mention some of that shortly, But why don't you talk a little 433 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,440 bit about your interest in this subject, how you got into it. Let's 434 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,599 talk about some of the stuff that you've dug up. All right, Yeah, 435 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,599 Brian, as we were talking before we came on, I wasn't able 436 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,839 to find everything that I was looking for. It's like a couple of them, 437 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,240 a couple of the accounts are missing. But this is something that I've 438 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,079 been interested in a while. In a previous podcast that I was a part 439 00:28:45,079 --> 00:28:49,799 of, my ex co host and I did in an entire episode on this, 440 00:28:51,039 --> 00:28:56,160 and it's people that have been killed by I mean, they're listed as 441 00:28:56,519 --> 00:29:02,200 animal attach and when it comes right down to it, the autopsies and that 442 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:07,720 the best that any one can offer as a reason is pack of wild dogs 443 00:29:08,519 --> 00:29:11,839 are the ones that killed them? The one that comes to mind in your 444 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,960 neck of the woods, Brian had actually happened in North Carolina. Was an 445 00:29:17,079 --> 00:29:25,079 elderly school teacher who was killed by something. Reports came out people were speculating 446 00:29:25,599 --> 00:29:30,000 bear for a while. The game people came out and said there are no 447 00:29:30,759 --> 00:29:33,599 big cats in North Carolina, which I think that's bullshit. I think we 448 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,319 all know there are some, but a lot of people speculated like a big 449 00:29:37,359 --> 00:29:41,279 cat got to hold over but I don't know. It's been several years ago. 450 00:29:41,319 --> 00:29:45,160 I think twenty nineteen is when it happened, and they still don't know 451 00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:49,200 to my knowledge. I read a little bit about what I found some of 452 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:55,119 the social media reaction to it. Social media reactions to the report has ranged 453 00:29:55,160 --> 00:30:00,839 from doubts about the conclusions to fear the animals responsible were never when person said, 454 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:06,440 I found it hard to believe dogs did this, Brandon Barry said on 455 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,759 Facebook after sharing news of the report. Next person, it took almost two 456 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:15,200 years to say it was a dog. I'm not a forensic scientist, but 457 00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:21,599 I say no, but he Brickhouse wrote in the station's witn's Facebook page. 458 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:26,680 Another lady wrote, I live closed. It wasn't no dog. I still 459 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:32,039 say panther. Not more than a month later, one ran a lady into 460 00:30:32,079 --> 00:30:37,279 her house one hundred yards from where this person was killed. So that's interesting 461 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,039 if there was that kind of report of a big cat. Again. North 462 00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:47,240 Carolina officials stated that there weren't any big cats in North Carolina. Maybe you 463 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,559 can speak to that being a North Carolina resident, Ryan, But yeah, 464 00:30:51,839 --> 00:30:56,640 if I remember correctly, there was DNA taken from the scene. No dogs. 465 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,079 They haven't found any dogs that they think could have had anything to do 466 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:07,000 with this that DNA suggested canine. There were reports that it wasn't like your 467 00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:12,039 average domestic dog. They rolled out code and fox and wolves, and I 468 00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:17,079 don't think there are wolves in North Carolina. But it's interesting. Had you 469 00:31:17,079 --> 00:31:21,319 heard about this report, ron as you're talking about it. It sounds more 470 00:31:21,319 --> 00:31:25,039 familiar to me than it did initially, but I don't remember, To be 471 00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:26,759 honest with you, I tried to go back a little bit in the archives 472 00:31:27,359 --> 00:31:32,559 yesterday and then this morning into Sasquatch Oby See because I know I've had a 473 00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:38,039 conversation. I believe it might have been Chrissirius from Beyond Fringe, but I 474 00:31:38,079 --> 00:31:42,359 can't remember who I had the conversation with about these possible dog man attacks. 475 00:31:42,759 --> 00:31:45,880 It sounds very similar. There was a lot of mystery around. I think 476 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,079 it was an elderly man at this point, might have been an elderly lady. 477 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,599 It could be the very one you're talking about in North Carolina. To 478 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,039 be honest, I don't remember. I apologize. I will try to find 479 00:31:56,079 --> 00:31:59,400 it at some point and we can maybe update you guys. But if any 480 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,720 of you guys have listened to Sasquatch Outssey and you remember that episode. Please 481 00:32:01,799 --> 00:32:04,680 let us know. Send me an email and let me know what We can 482 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,160 go back and pull that audio because it was very similar stuff. It was 483 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:12,200 a very mysterious sort of attack. They blamed it on a couple of dogs. 484 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,480 In that case, I think they might have said, I think one 485 00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:17,839 of the dogs was supposed to be like a Golden retriever or something, and 486 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:22,880 the police went into the neighbor's house and shot the dogs. But none of 487 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:27,240 it was adding up the conspiracy theory, if you will, or the general 488 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,039 consensus with the cryptid community or some of the investigators that look into dog Man 489 00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:36,559 in Bigfoot was they believed it was a dogmen attack. It's intriguing to me, 490 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,279 but I'm one of those people goes back to Carl Sagan, Right, 491 00:32:38,319 --> 00:32:43,119 you're going to make an extraordinary claim. There's got to be extraordinary evidence that 492 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,839 were saying that the body was extremely mauled. It was beyond what they believed 493 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:51,240 that a pack of dogs could do. There was just this whole thing, 494 00:32:51,599 --> 00:32:54,839 this mystery wrapped in another enigma. So I'm very careful to say one way 495 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,599 or the other about what I believe. I would have to see a lot 496 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,519 more evidence, but it certainly intriguing. There are some mysterious things. People 497 00:33:01,559 --> 00:33:06,640 go missing, people show up dead, with some really strange I think the 498 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,480 next door you're going to talk about has some strange things to it. So 499 00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:12,519 maybe we get into that and maybe talk a little bit about that, because 500 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,559 that one seems a little bit more out there than even the one you just 501 00:33:15,599 --> 00:33:20,519 talked about. Yeah, the next one is sadly, a thirteen year old 502 00:33:20,599 --> 00:33:25,519 boy in Kentucky. His body was found if I'm remembering right, His body 503 00:33:25,599 --> 00:33:31,440 was found over one hundred yards up a ridge. And to hear people talk 504 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:36,519 at ridge is putting it lightly. It's almost like a mountain. But they 505 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:42,720 came to the same conclusion that a pack of wild dog killed this boy and 506 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,440 drug it one hundred yards up this mountain. Thirteen year old boy, he 507 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:51,680 didn't look very big and well we think fifty sixty seventy pounds. Maybe maybe 508 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,400 they could drag him up a hill, but he was certainly mauled. The 509 00:33:54,519 --> 00:33:58,839 corner got there and went up there and looked, and they pronounced him dead 510 00:33:58,839 --> 00:34:01,200 instantly. There's nothing that could be done. And in this case, there 511 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:06,880 was a mine in the area where there was a pack of stray dogs that 512 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:12,559 were living. But again people are questioning. No nobody saw or heard these 513 00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:15,840 dogs come in this boy's yard and get them and drag them up the hill. 514 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,239 You would think there would be a lot of screaming, and I could 515 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:22,239 be speaking. I turned there could have been some witnesses that heard something. 516 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,960 I don't know. I haven't seen anything like that could be wrong, but 517 00:34:25,079 --> 00:34:34,280 again, I mean what I wouldn't think some stray, malnourished dogs would be 518 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:39,039 able to drag a kid up a mountain and kill him. I don't know. 519 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,360 Again, they're blaming it on a pack of stray dogs. I don't 520 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,760 know about DNA evidence or anything like that. Maybe some of our listeners that 521 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:52,039 are more familiar with that can chime in. But you know, the first 522 00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:53,760 one we talked about was in North Carolina. This one's in Kentucky, and 523 00:34:53,800 --> 00:35:00,320 I couldn't find the information on There were two separate animal tax deaths in the 524 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:05,159 state of Tennessee where I live, and they were in the same neighborhood, 525 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,119 in the same area. I can't find any information on it. I'll keep 526 00:35:08,119 --> 00:35:14,559 digging, But you got North Carolina Kentucky, Tennessee. I found a report 527 00:35:14,599 --> 00:35:19,599 of a forty year old man in Florida that was found in the wooded area 528 00:35:19,639 --> 00:35:24,199 behind some people's homes with over one hundred bike marks on him, and he 529 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:28,800 was dead and again blamed on a pack of straight dogs. I mean, 530 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,800 is that a bigger issue than we're aware of or are straight dogs in the 531 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,039 US and especially the South? Is it that big of a problem. And 532 00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:40,840 something else that I found alarming, Brian. When doing the little bit of 533 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:45,239 research that I did for this, I looked up dog attacks in general. 534 00:35:45,679 --> 00:35:52,760 They are freaking everywhere. It is scary. Wikipedia has a list by a 535 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:57,480 year. It's starting with twenty twenty four and going down about people that were 536 00:35:57,599 --> 00:36:00,480 killed. And I looked at twenty twenty three. There were so many of 537 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:06,559 them. And what bothers me the most is how many children there were, 538 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,559 toddler and younger. It was reports of a six month old being killed by 539 00:36:10,559 --> 00:36:15,920 a pit bull, a one year old scarlet. My daughter is two and 540 00:36:15,079 --> 00:36:22,000 she'll be three in May. She loves dog and mean and I love that 541 00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:25,679 about her because she's kind and she loves animals. But she has never met 542 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:30,000 a dog that she didn't love. And she will run up to a dog, 543 00:36:30,119 --> 00:36:34,199 knowing it or not, and wrap her arms around it. And that's 544 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:38,360 so unsafe. It scares me to death. Man, it does. Are 545 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:44,880 you aware of this epidemic, if we can call it that of dogs hurting 546 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,559 and killing people? I deal with that a lot, actually, because when 547 00:36:47,559 --> 00:36:52,480 I left APD and we were hanging around in Georgia getting ready to start traveling. 548 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:58,079 For almost a year, I worked for Fulton County Animal Services as an 549 00:36:58,079 --> 00:37:02,920 animal control officer went out on these dog bite calls quite often. And there 550 00:37:04,039 --> 00:37:07,119 is, at least i'll speak for Atlanta and Fulton County in general, there 551 00:37:07,159 --> 00:37:09,960 are a ton of stray dogs. That was ninety five percent of the calls 552 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:14,280 that came into the call center was stray dogs. Because there are leash laws 553 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,559 in that area, they're supposed to be contained behind a fence and or on 554 00:37:16,599 --> 00:37:20,519 a leash. Where I live here in North Carolina, there is no leash 555 00:37:20,599 --> 00:37:22,960 law. There's nothing that says you have to have a dog on a leash. 556 00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:25,119 You don't have to have your dog contained in your yard. There's dogs 557 00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:29,079 that come over here on our property quite often. We'll catch them on our 558 00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:32,199 cameras and whatnot. That is an issue. It is a prolific issue. 559 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:36,320 I think pretty much anywhere there's a lot of stray dogs. Unfortunately, people 560 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:37,599 get animals they can't take care of or don't want to take care of, 561 00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:40,159 and they end up just on the street. Both of our big dogs that 562 00:37:40,199 --> 00:37:44,559 we have that you got to see on social media, Zena and Iggy, 563 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,880 came to us as strays. They just showed up and they'd never left. 564 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:52,239 So it is a thing. I tell you. There wasn't a whole lot 565 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,719 of stray dogs that were causing a lot of issues as far as I was 566 00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:00,880 concerned that were biting people. It's not one of those things. And unfortunately 567 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,320 a lot of the deaths that I didn't work the death case, but there 568 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,079 was a big one that was going on at the time I was there that 569 00:38:06,159 --> 00:38:08,039 it happened a year or so before, maybe two years before, of a 570 00:38:08,039 --> 00:38:12,519 toddler that was killed by some pit bulls that got loose in the area in 571 00:38:12,519 --> 00:38:15,480 her neighborhood. And I think one of the problems with kids in particular is 572 00:38:15,519 --> 00:38:19,840 their size number one, and then they tend to run, and that's the 573 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,760 worst thing you can do. When those animals go into predator prey mode. 574 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:28,079 It's that instinct their lizard brain kicks in. Oh this thing's running, I'm 575 00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:30,480 going to take it down and do what I do as a dog. It's 576 00:38:30,519 --> 00:38:32,559 happened with chickens and stuff with our dogs in the past when we first got 577 00:38:32,639 --> 00:38:36,800 them here. We had to train that out of them. But yeah, 578 00:38:37,199 --> 00:38:39,760 I wasn't aware that there were so many, particularly in the South, as 579 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:44,800 far as dog bites and deaths. But it doesn't really, it doesn't surprise 580 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,880 me. And I will say this, A pack of dogs, or even 581 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:51,159 a couple of dogs that are decent size, can pull a lot of weight. 582 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,480 Xena are smaller of the two big dogs we have. She is solid 583 00:38:54,519 --> 00:39:00,119 muscleman. She is pit bull and she is blue heeler mix. We had 584 00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:04,400 her DNA done and she is solid muscle. I would not want to piss 585 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,639 her off, even though she doesn't come up to your knees. So they 586 00:39:07,639 --> 00:39:09,519 can pull a lot of weight and they could probably take down a thirteen or 587 00:39:09,559 --> 00:39:13,400 fourteen year old kid if there were a couple of them. But I don't 588 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,239 know. Man, It's one of those stories. It's fascinating to talk about, 589 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:23,760 and even to add the possible cryptid dog man could be responsible. I 590 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,440 tend to go with Okham's razor man, like the first story you were talking 591 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,440 about. As far as the big cats here in North Carolina, we just 592 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:34,639 posted a picture. It's a funny picture, just backhanded way to get back 593 00:39:34,639 --> 00:39:37,400 at the shit talkers on Instagram. But we posted we found what looks like 594 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:42,480 mountain lion scat right on the path where we walked the dogs every morning. 595 00:39:42,559 --> 00:39:45,000 And Danny took one of the little bigfoots that we have that's about five inches 596 00:39:45,039 --> 00:39:47,000 tall and took it up there and said, hey, for all the shit 597 00:39:47,079 --> 00:39:50,559 talkers, why don't you tell me what kind of scant this is? Or 598 00:39:50,599 --> 00:39:52,519 however you worded it. I was getting a lot of messages about that too, 599 00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:55,519 but most people thought it was funny. But it looks I immediately thought 600 00:39:55,559 --> 00:39:59,199 it was mountain lion scat. I got a couple of people that were sending 601 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,000 me messages and text messages saying, hey, dude, it looks like mountain 602 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:06,360 lion's cat. So it was definitely big cat of some sort. I don't 603 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,840 know what kind. So they are here. But Ockham's razor. Back to 604 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:14,199 what you said, if people were seeing what they thought to be mountain lions 605 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,599 or cougars or whatever you want to call them, one hundred yards away from 606 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:21,280 where this lady was killed. Ockham's razor tells me that it's possible that this 607 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,239 cat might have done it, same thing with the young kid. Cats tend 608 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:30,400 to drag their kills to hire elevations, up in trees, up heels, 609 00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:36,280 those kind of things I would lean more towards again it was something more terrestrial, 610 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,519 like maybe a big cat that might have killed this kid, or even 611 00:40:38,559 --> 00:40:43,000 the dogs might have pulled his body unfortunately up into the area that they did. 612 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,280 I don't know. We'd love to hear from you, guys. What 613 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,599 do you guys think? Have you got other stories that may be even more 614 00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:51,800 compelling than the ones that we pulled out here to talk about? Let us 615 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,760 know. Send us an email Brian and Orwayne at Paranormalworldproductions dot com. You 616 00:40:55,800 --> 00:41:00,480 can always leave the leave us a voicemail button. You can use that. 617 00:41:00,559 --> 00:41:02,360 Leave us a voicemail button, Leave us a voicemail. As I said, 618 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:06,360 Jenny took advantage of it and left us about an hour and ten minutes a 619 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,000 five minute audio yesterday. I can't wait to dive into. But that's how 620 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,280 you be a part of the show. We want to hear from you, 621 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,400 guys. Wayne, you got anything else to add, Man, No, 622 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,199 I don't think so. Just keep doing what you're doing. Guys, We 623 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:22,760 love hearing from you. Keep sending in those voicemails, emails, break review, 624 00:41:22,199 --> 00:41:25,920 all that good stuff. Thank you for the continued support, and as 625 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:30,400 always, you get the last word. Guys, we appreciate everything you're doing. 626 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,320 Y'all. Be good to yourselves, be good to each other. We'll 627 00:41:32,320 --> 00:43:34,360 see you later. Bye bye,