Are you still drinking the Bigfoot kool aid? Well you better spit it out
and grab your head funds. That Bigfoot podcast is starting right now, Wayne.
What's up man? What's going on, Buddy Hey? Doing today?
IM good man? I am enjoying the rainy sunday in the South here at
the big Foot Bungalow. It's raining like hell. It's a good day to
be in here recording a that Bigfoot podcast episode. What's going on with you?
Man? I could not agree with you more? Think the thing.
It is also raining here in Tennessee. I got my granddaughter's third birthday party
here in just a little bit, so I'm excited about that. Yeah,
happy birthday, Cec. I forgot you were so old that you had a
grandkid. That's awesome. I know it, man. I got a three
year old granddaughter and a two and a half year old daughter. God,
and you don't look a day over twenty six. I know it, man,
And I thank you Good Lord every day for this baby face. I
want to get into your skincare regimen, but we're not going to do that.
We can talk about some other start today. We had all kinds of
things to talk about, but I want to do a little bit of mail
bag digging before we get into some of the other stuff we're going to talk
about. But before we even get to the mail bag, let's talk about
a couple of things. You were on over at squatch DTV with Steve Coles
and I think his co host's name is Chris. How was that. I've
been on Steve's show, I've had him on my show. I know you
just had Steve on your show. I think last night you guys did a
live What did you guys talk about when you were on the show. Is
that the first time you had been on his show and had the squatch d
experience? It was I met Steve through you you held a while back before
there was even that big Foot podcast. You held a big round table.
There are ten of us in there on the live event, and Steve was
in there, Doug hat Chuck was in there, Pat from squatch Talk was
in there, the Kentucky atsall guys the US. That's the first time I
ever really interacted with him. And then you went on his show. And
there's a certain individual in the community that I am curious about certain allegations and
stuff, and I thought Steve would be the perfect guy to ask, So
I asked you to connect us, and when you did, he invited me
on his show. That same conversation, I went on, I had just
a great time. Had no idea how cool of a guy Steve really is.
And he's got that deep voice and he puts off military armed forces that
persona and can be intimidating to some people, but he's nothing at all like
that. He's a cool dude. Had a great time over there on his
show, and I invited him to come on mine, and like you said,
he was on last night on Paranormal Odyssey Love and had a great talk
with him. He talked about his personal experiences and I asked him about some
of the people that he has busted for hoaxes over the years, and he
was schooling me on just all kinds of stuff. After the interview, sometimes
the guests will hang out after you close it and you talk for a few
minutes, and Steve did that. He hung out with us after the show
last night, and he actually thanked me for asking him questions that he had
never been asked before, the stuff that he wasn't expecting, and he enjoyed
that. So y'all go and check that out if you don't mind. But
yes, he's an awesome guy, had a great time on the show.
Yeah, man, I met him years ago and he's one of those people
that I have reached out to. Sometimes I'll just text him and ask him
a quick question about somebody and he's like this encyclopedia of bigfoot hoax serene knowledge
that he'll just come back. Oh yeah, I busted that dude like seventeen
months ago, and I got the video and Nei'll point you in the right
direction to go get all the information that you really need. He's a repository
of all of these bigfoot hoaxes that he has busted, and he gets a
lot of shit for it. Frankly, there's a lot of people in the
community that don't like that kind of stuff. But he puts in the time
and the energy and the effort to go and do these deep die I have
investigations into these people and he finds things that people have never found before.
You can have a conversation with about anybody, whether it's be tied standing or
maybe somebody that may just be fresh on your radar that just popped up that
is not as well known. Chances are Steve's going to know about him,
and if he doesn't, he's going to write down the name and then he's
going to look into it and then do a show about it. So it
was interesting to me to see the serendipity thing. It's almost like everything's connected
in some way. I hook you up with Steve, you go on his
show, that he's on your show. I've been on his show, I've
had him over here, and then I do my little social experiment that we
talked about on the last episode, and lo and behold, you said it
before we started recording today. I've been stering shit up for whatever reason in
the community because I started getting messages from people obviously when I went live on
Instagram and Facebook and talking about some of the things I was doing with social
media, and Steve was one of those people that reached out immediately and said,
hey, man, I think that's awesome. They're doing this new show
that they do live where he and Chris I believe as his co host.
I hope that's his name. I'm horrible with names, so if it's not,
I apologize. But they're going to talk about what's going on in Bigfoot
News, and he led with my social experiment on Instagram and Facebook as their
lead story, and he actually pulled some of the live that I did off
of Instagram and chopped it up and played a little bit of it for everybody.
That kind of explained what was going on, because I was getting some
shit from people Todd Gatewood, which we'll get into here shortly, about just
doing a social experiment and seeing what was working versus clickbait versus real stories and
those kind of things. And it was just interesting to me that ninety nine
point nine eight percent of the response that I got from that when I did
come out and say hey, this is what's been going on, was positive.
And Steve was one of those people, and he obviously talked about it
on his show that night. A couple of nights ago, and then Jeff
from Pine Island's Research did the same thing. He reached out and said,
hey, Steve's going to do a show about this from nine to ten,
and then I'm going to talk about it on my show live from ten to
whenever, and then he ended up doing I think Jeff got Pat from Squatch
Talk over there, and then he had after his show, Steve popped in
onto his live. They ended up doing like a two hour and forty seven
minute live show. It wasn't all about my social experiment by any means.
I don't even know if they mentioned it, frankly, because I haven't looked
at it yet. I haven't had the time to look at the entire live,
but they were talking about the differences in what people believe about Bigfoot and
where your beliefs begin and end and where other people's pick up. So I'm
anxious to go back and listen to it. I think it got a little
heated from what Jeff was saying, so I might go and dig into the
drama later on at some point. But it was really interesting to me again
that people responded to the social experiment the way that they did and pretty much
agreed with what I had to say for the most part, outside of a
couple of people, which, like I said, we'll get into here in
a minute. Have you got any feedback or have you had any flack or
seen any flack online from us talking about the little experiment that I did with
the clickbait? I personally haven't, but I've been keeping up with how much
shit you've been gathering the image that you put out, Let's just be honest.
Anybody with half a brain knows that's not a real image. You were
doing it mockingly. It's almost a cartoon image of what appeared to be the
back of a sasquatch legs, and it's the damn things taken from the ground.
Who hangs their trail camps on the ground. So for people to get
that upset up in arms about it, I just I don't understand that you
caught hell from a couple of people. We've been wanting to get people talking.
People started talking, So I guess that's the plus. That's the case,
man, that Bigfoot podcast has gotten everybody talking. We're very fortunate in
that we've said it in the live, we said it on the last couple
of shows. The show has exploded, and you guys are downloading it in
record numbers, and we can't thank you enough. We're glad that you're here
and we enjoy the conversations that you are a part of. So let's dig
into the mail bag. Man. Let's get into some of this before we
talk about our main topic, which is some of these mysterious deaths that you
talked about. In Tennessee and North Carolina and other places across the country.
I think it's definitely worth us getting into and at least starting the conversation on.
So we'll get there shortly. You guys hang out through the mail bag.
Let me go in here and pull some of the things that you guys
have sent via We have that contact button where you can send us a message
via email on the website, and some people have been just emailing me directly.
Let me start off with Podbean. Podbean is one of those podcast apps
that you have the ability unlike any other app. Really, Podbean is really
the only place where you can actually leave comments. And I've talked about Fatty.
I think I mentioned him on the last episode. Fatty comments on just
about every episode of Sasquatch Odyssey over there and has started to do that with
that Bigfoot podcast. I was looking through that this morning and I saw a
couple of interesting posts and it's from the same person. So I'm only going
to read one of these and just address it whole cloth here. Steve on
Podbean says, the Miller document has nothing to do with MK Davis. You
should read the Miller document, and then he had another one on another episode.
I think it was episode two that we put out about the MK Davis
massacre theory at Bluff Creek, and I thought I just scratched in my head.
I had to read it a couple of times to make sure that I
was reading what I thought I was reading. I don't know how a.
It's in episode one of the Bluff Creek Massacre that we did over here on
that Bigfoot podcast. So if you haven't heard that, it's literally like twenty
five minutes of me reading the Miller Document exactly, verbatim, word for word
as it was written. So I have read it. I actually read it
into the record, so to speak, here on the show for everybody in
perpetuity. But the Miller Document has everything to do with MK Davis. It
mentions him by name. How can it not? The Miller docum was written
specifically because MK Davis made these Bluff Creek massacre claims, and it started the
entire ball rolling. So Steve, I apologize, man, I'm just not
picking up what you're putting down. I don't understand what that means the Miller
Document. If there's another Miller document, Brian that he's referring to, and
he's just not familiar with this one. It's possible, and I thought about
that this morning. I did not have time. I was posting another one
of your episodes, an amazing episode of Paranormal Odyssey that I just posted to
everybody. Go check that out, Bigfoot from Tennessee to Las Vegas. It's
a great episode. I was posting that this morning before we hopped on to
do this, and I haven't had a chance to look at that, but
you may be right because there was a doctor Miller or a doctor somebody I
think that put out some documents. We'll have to look into that, so
you might have just solved the mystery there. If anybody knows what we're talking
about, let us know, send us an email and you may know what
he's talking about. But now that you mentioned it, that does sound familiar,
so that maybe what Steve is talking about. There's another one that I'm
going to reed for you later on from Russ who was always posting in our
group and stirring the shit with his campfire discussions in our Facebook group. But
that's more for me to read to you. I'm going to do that privately.
Let's get into this. Todd Gatewood Debacle. We'll call it Gatewood gate
how about that? Most of you have heard by now the episode that I
put out over on Sasquatch Odyssey. I sat down with Daniel from the Mythical
Legends podcast. He had MK Davis and Todd Gatewood on to talk about these
new images of Patty that they've put out from the Patterson Gimblin film. And
I've told you guys on here and on Sasquatch Odyssey, we were working out
dates to get them back on the show. So I've been talking back and
forth with Todd. Todd has my cell phone number, he hasn't used it,
but we've been going back and forth on Facebook Messenger, and I sent
him after I spoke to you Wayne and said, hey, I want to
do a live and have him MK Davis, you, maybe a couple of
other people on to do a roundtable and do that big Foot podcast live and
have them on for the second round of this interview. Because we didn't get
into any of the tough questions about the massacre. We didn't get into any
of the tough questions about whether he used AI, how he got these images,
those kind of things. So after I had a conversation with you where
we're going to set it up. Full disclosure, we were going to do
it on February twenty second. We're going to do a live show and Daniel
from the UK was going to join us because he started all this because he
had the interview on his podcast the first time around. So I sent that
date to Todd Gatewood. I got the response back that he wanted to wait
for Daniel's episode to come out, which is not happening until March. I
gave him the link so he could see the video that I put out over
on the Sasquatch try to see YouTube page and it was out on audio podcast
and I really got no response. And then you sent me a text yesterday
saying, hey man, Todd Gatewood's going off on you and the Paranormal World
Productions Facebook page. What's going on with that? So I get on go
over and look at the and sure enough, this is what I read from
Todd Gatewood posted in our Facebook page, the Paranormal World Productions Facebook page.
I should say this, and I quote, Paranormal World Productions is just a
site that wants to generate conflict, controversy and toxicity. Nobody follows. This
group really enjoys it. It's why their views and numbers are insignificantly low.
They can't even understand this. Raise the bar. Challenge yourself to be positive,
Todd Gatewood, Now where do I start? Let me start here,
Wayne. Let me just shut up and ask you the question. Wayne,
you read that before I did. How did you feel when you saw that
post? And were you surprised by it at all? I was very surprised
because I thought the two of you got along pretty well. You had told
me about your personal interactions with them where he was fond of you and thinks
that you do a great job. So it caught me off guard. What
I didn't really understand. And I think Steve Coles actually commented on this.
He says three or four negative things and then tells you to be positive.
I don't get where you're coming from with that, Todd. I don't know.
Just seems like it came out of nowhere. It wasn't warranted that,
it wasn't a response to anything. It was an original post that he felt
needed to take his time away from his family or his job whatever he's doing
to express And I just don't understand why. What was he hoping to get
from that. What did he think was gonna come? Do you think everyone
was just gonna say you're right, Todd? Maybe, thank you, thank
you for teaching us lessons about life. I just don't understand what he was
wanting from it. Yeah, I don't either, man. It completely caught
me off guard, and unfortunately I have addressed this privately, but one of
our admins took it upon themselves to block him and ban him from the group,
which I am immediately reversed and corrected and invited him back to be able
to continue the conversation. He chose not to do that. We did that
privately. It was not a very constructive conversation. I can tell you that
I'm not gonna bore you guys with the details of that, but we agreed
to disagree, and I just put it out there clearly, We're not going
to bring you on the show if that's how you feel about the show.
Just making personal attacks like that in a Facebook group and an open forum is
just not a good look. Man. You have to keep things professional.
I consider myself a professional. This is what I do for a living.
I treat everybody as fairly and respectably as I possibly can. I try to
treat people the way I would want people to treat my mother. That's how
I operated as a police officer, and that's how I operate as a podcaster.
But I'm gonna tell you something Amy Boo said the other night about Bigfoot.
We were talking about whether Bigfoot is dangerous or not. We got our
Bigfoot round table on calling all beings. Amy said, Look, I'm one
of the nicest people on earth, but if you mess with my daughter,
I'm not going to be nice anymore. And I'm that way about my work.
I'm that way about my group. I'm that way about my fans.
I'm that way about the members of our group, and I'm certainly like that
about our shows. If you attack us unfairly and you say things that are
false, like low numbers, I don't even know where this is coming from.
I don't know how you judge the size of the Facebook group versus the
numbers on the I don't even know what kind of backwoods, fucked up math
he's using to come up with these theories that he has. But I was
quick to post we have a pretty decent sized audience. Every podcast that's under
the Paranormal World Production Studio is in the top one to three percent of all
podcasts in the world. Sasquatch Out to See in particular, is in the
top point five percent of podcast in the world. I even posted it from
listen notes like it's researchable. You can go research it, right, It's
not just me saying these things. You can go find this for yourself.
And then I just got to the point where I was like, I'm arguing
with this dude. It's not going to change his mind. It doesn't matter.
Now he faced the wrath of the people in the group because I look
this morning, there's about forty five comments I think, and none of them
are agreeing with anything that he had to say in his post. Let's just
put it that way. And he brought up something else that I think we
might need to talk about it. I don't know if now's the time to
talk about it, but here's what I had to make a post in the
group yesterday and say, look, and this is pretty much what I told
the admins behind the scenes. Our group is not to allow anybody to attack
anybody. We don't do that, right. If you're in the group,
We're not going to let people do a whole bunch of crazy shit. But
I'm different. I'm a public figure. I have shows, I have a
platform, and I say what I want to say about people, and I
put my opinions out there. People are going to disagree with me. I
invite that the group is a perfect place to do that. You can engage
in that conversation openly, in the light of day. So I said to
the admins and the people in the group, and I see it now publicly.
If you're in the group or you want to come and join the group,
here's the thing. When it comes to me, I don't care what
people say. It's going to be out there on front street. I don't
have anything. I can take care of myself. I'm a big boy.
But if people are being derogatory and they are attacking group members, we're not
going to stand for that. We've banned plenty of people in the past for
doing crazy shit. We'll continue to do that. But just know, I'm
going to invite the open dialogue, and I think it's great. It's the
perfect way to let people like that make an ass out of themselves publicly.
It does the job for me. I don't have to do it because anybody
can see he's delusional and he's got some kind of issue clearly with me personally
now for whatever reason, I'm not sure. So I said all that to
say, we're not going to have the follow up interview with MK Davis and
Todd Gatewood at least on any of my shows. But we are going to
continue the conversation. We are going to talk about those images. We are
going to break down these latest images of the Patterson Gimblin film. We're just
going to do it in a different way. If you guys watch the proof
is out there. You've seen the episode. I'm sure I don't recall exactly
what number it is or what the name of the episode is, but it's
a recent episode with doctor Jeff Meldrum and doctor Isaac t who is a PhD
who has done some of the work that you've probably seen his work out there
with the Patterson Gimlin film. It's a very crystal clear, stabilized version of
Patty walking across the sandbar. I reached out to doctor t In. We
have some mutual friends in common, so I reached out to him and we
are getting him scheduled to come on the show. At some point in time
here in the future, because he is one that could speak to the images
that mister Gatewood and mister Davis have put out there from the Patterson Gimlin film.
He's done his own work and miraculously, I know this is going to
be a shocker. We need one of those shocker sound things. Bumbob Todd.
Gatewood has publicly attacked him on social media. I know it's very shocking,
but mister Gatewood has also attacked doctor ten, accusing him of stealing MK
Davis and possibly even his images to do some of the work that he's done,
even though he's a PhD who's produced a peer reviewed paper on all the
work that he's done. Mister Gatewood seems to be again attacking him, thinking
he's been robbed in some way, shape, form or fashion and MK Davis's
images has been used. And again I can't speak intelligently about it. I
certainly something will ask Doctor ten when he's on, But it was my understanding
that they did, in fact you some of the early images that MK Davis
had produced, and I think he was given credit for that in the paper.
We've certainly asked that, and if that's not the case. I'll certainly
ask him why that was the case and why they didn't give him credit.
So we're going to have that coming up soon. Hopefully you can be a
part of that too, Wayne, if you're so inclined. I'd love to
have you be a part of that conversation because I think that's the best way
to handle it. Man. I think Todd's statements they speak for themselves.
I have a good time going back and forth with people. I don't mind
slugging it out on social media. I've done that with plenty of people in
the past. But it just makes him look really bad. In my opinion.
You're attacking people personally, and he continued the personal attacks, called me
a mall cop and some other things, and private messages, just personal stuff
that shouldn't be put out there like that. It it takes a way from
the work. It takes away from the community in general. In my opinion.
When you start attacking people personally like that, it's like going on there
and are you supposed to be talking about the Patterson Gimblin film or Bigfoot and
you start talking about the way people look. It's just not a good luck,
man. I just I don't know. Do you have any final words
on that before we move on to something else. Yeah, it's just like
with any argument, whether it be with a coworker or your employer, a
significant other, husband, wife, it comes a point in any argument where
you just have to accept I'm not going to change their mind. They're not
going to change my mind. We need to just step away because nothing constructive
is coming from this. I feel like that's the point that we're at now.
You're not going to change a man's mind. He's certainly not going to
change hours. So what good are we doing by name calling and bashing and
all that. It's not doing anyone any good. So I agree one percent
with the thought of just washing our hands with that conversation. It's not going
to happen with those two individuals. We'll move on with this PhD that you've
got lined up, and we'll go from there and let the facts talk for
themselves. I definitely agree. Man. Let me get back into the mailbag
here with a couple of emails really quickly. Here's one from Tom that says
I've been binging everything Sasquatch late, both Sasquatch Odyssey and that Bigfoot podcast.
A good story, song, or movie must contain a conflict. A near
death experience with a sasquatch is more engaging than a one time glance of a
leg thirty years ago. I would guess that the podcast or Instagram posts that
create more disputes get more traction, like the post with the fake Sasquatch legs
and feet. Personally, I like everything squatchy, but a person's story has
a scary incident that gets attention faster. Keep the faith, Brian Tom,
and he's right, man. I think everything comes down to conflicts. You
can't have a movie without something that's there's a conflict there. Even a good
books got to have a protagonist. Everything's got to have a Felick said,
I certainly get it. That's why clickbait works. But here's another one from
Michael t. He says, I think Steve Isdahl knows further connections to this,
but it might just be through David Polaiti's missing four one one. I'm
not sure what he's reference in there. Tampering with evidence or hoaxing, as
MK Davis is accused of is reprehensible at best, even if he did have
positive contributions at some point in history like Todd's standing. If he hoaxed at
one point with his photos but now is having legit encounters, sorry, Todd
is no longer a credible witness. The signal to nose ratio with the sasquatch
is out of whack. I think we need to banish hoaxhuers once and for
all and just keep things sanitized as humanly possible. I don't know whether the
Bluff Creek massacre happened or not. Sounds like a scretch. Sounds like a
stretch, to say the least, But killing a bigfoot and seeing how similar
they would look to humans when you got close enough to inspect the bodies seems
like a totally legitimate reason to tucktail and run so you don't get on hook
for murder if it did actually turn out to be just a deformed human and
didn't feel compelled to turn yourself into the authorities. Same reason as to why
a lot of hunters don't shoot them when they have the chance. How can
you be one hundred percent sure it's not a human in a suit up to
some nonsense before you pull the trigger, or some hairy wwe wrestler out for
a nasture walk responsible hunters know you can't take the bullet back. Keep up
the great work. I'm glad that you're covering different aspects of this phenomenon.
That's from Michael T the last one from the mailbag, and we'll talk a
little bit about some of that stuff. Hey, guys, just wanted to
drop a line on your engagement on Instagram, etc. Compared to the thousands
of podcast downloads. I can speak only for myself. I'm not in America,
and there's a bit of stigma around being interested in sasquatch. Personally,
I don't do anything or follow anything on social media where my colleagues can see
what I'm interested in. I am in the Facebook group as it's private,
but groups don't show me in their normal feeds, so I rarely visit anyway.
Just thought it might apply to more than just me. John m Let's
start with that last one first. That one came in literally just a few
minutes before we started recording this. But I didn't really even think about that,
and I don't know if it's even a possibility to maybe explain some of
the lower engagement or whatnot, particularly on Instagram and other things where you're although
I think as I'm talking here, if you're really involved in that kind of
stuff, you can just make your profile private and change the name or not
put up a picture or whatever and still follow that. But do you think
that's even a thing. I'm sure it is for some people. You don't
want to be connected to Bigfoot as a phenomenon, and your friends and coworkers
see what you're interested in, So maybe you're not in nine hundred Bigfoot groups.
I don't know. Do you think that could be a possible explanation for
some of the low engagement on some of the social media's stage for more of
that Bigfoot podcast, we will be right back after these messages. I've never
considered that, but it does make sense. People are in high profile jobs,
attorneys, no government officials. I'm sure there are plenty out there that
do have an interest in this but can't talk about it in fear of their
professional reputations being damaged, so they can't really publicly comment on things and stuff.
That makes sense. I've never really considered that, But yeah, that
was a good email. Yeah, we appreciate it. John. I don't
think he said where he was from. He just says he's not in America,
so I don't know if he's in the UK or Canada or France or
what. I don't know where he's at, but it is a good point.
I think there's a possibility that could account for some of it. But
at the end of the day, when it comes to the social experiment,
those numbers spoke for themselves. People were clicking on the clickbait and not other
things. And I have to say I've posted some things since then that were
more offerings enlightenment and other things related to Sasquatch, and we are getting some
traction there and you guys are interacting with that, so we appreciate that greatly.
I don't know, man, I think that's pretty much it for the
mail bag. I don't even want to get into the MK Davis stuff.
And we'll talk about that with doctor t and And I think the massacre thing,
we've laid that to rest. We've buried it on the sandbar with possibly
a bunch of Bigfoot that were killed that day. I don't think it happened.
I think it's a whole bunch of bullshit. I think that's pretty much
the end of it, and we're not going to dig up the todd standing
thing. It is what it is, but we definitely appreciate that. We
appreciate you guys being a part of the show sending in your emails. I
got a ton of voicemails yesterday. I have not gone through them. One
person left us about an hour and ten minutes worth of audio I've got to
go through, so I'm not so sure what that's all about. But we'll
dig into that and hopefully you guys will hear at least some of that on
the show sometime in the future, whether it be Sasquatch Odyssey and or over
here. Wayne, you sent me some interesting stuff that I want to at
least get into today. I know we might actually have to do a follow
up because I think we're probably going to get some response from people that are
interested in this kind of stuff. It's in the vein of the missing for
one one. That seems to be a very popular thing that people are into,
whether it's the books or the documentaries. You sent me this, and
it's something that's been on my radar, and I've talked to other people,
and I'll mention some of that shortly, But why don't you talk a little
bit about your interest in this subject, how you got into it. Let's
talk about some of the stuff that you've dug up. All right, Yeah,
Brian, as we were talking before we came on, I wasn't able
to find everything that I was looking for. It's like a couple of them,
a couple of the accounts are missing. But this is something that I've
been interested in a while. In a previous podcast that I was a part
of, my ex co host and I did in an entire episode on this,
and it's people that have been killed by I mean, they're listed as
animal attach and when it comes right down to it, the autopsies and that
the best that any one can offer as a reason is pack of wild dogs
are the ones that killed them? The one that comes to mind in your
neck of the woods, Brian had actually happened in North Carolina. Was an
elderly school teacher who was killed by something. Reports came out people were speculating
bear for a while. The game people came out and said there are no
big cats in North Carolina, which I think that's bullshit. I think we
all know there are some, but a lot of people speculated like a big
cat got to hold over but I don't know. It's been several years ago.
I think twenty nineteen is when it happened, and they still don't know
to my knowledge. I read a little bit about what I found some of
the social media reaction to it. Social media reactions to the report has ranged
from doubts about the conclusions to fear the animals responsible were never when person said,
I found it hard to believe dogs did this, Brandon Barry said on
Facebook after sharing news of the report. Next person, it took almost two
years to say it was a dog. I'm not a forensic scientist, but
I say no, but he Brickhouse wrote in the station's witn's Facebook page.
Another lady wrote, I live closed. It wasn't no dog. I still
say panther. Not more than a month later, one ran a lady into
her house one hundred yards from where this person was killed. So that's interesting
if there was that kind of report of a big cat. Again. North
Carolina officials stated that there weren't any big cats in North Carolina. Maybe you
can speak to that being a North Carolina resident, Ryan, But yeah,
if I remember correctly, there was DNA taken from the scene. No dogs.
They haven't found any dogs that they think could have had anything to do
with this that DNA suggested canine. There were reports that it wasn't like your
average domestic dog. They rolled out code and fox and wolves, and I
don't think there are wolves in North Carolina. But it's interesting. Had you
heard about this report, ron as you're talking about it. It sounds more
familiar to me than it did initially, but I don't remember, To be
honest with you, I tried to go back a little bit in the archives
yesterday and then this morning into Sasquatch Oby See because I know I've had a
conversation. I believe it might have been Chrissirius from Beyond Fringe, but I
can't remember who I had the conversation with about these possible dog man attacks.
It sounds very similar. There was a lot of mystery around. I think
it was an elderly man at this point, might have been an elderly lady.
It could be the very one you're talking about in North Carolina. To
be honest, I don't remember. I apologize. I will try to find
it at some point and we can maybe update you guys. But if any
of you guys have listened to Sasquatch Outssey and you remember that episode. Please
let us know. Send me an email and let me know what We can
go back and pull that audio because it was very similar stuff. It was
a very mysterious sort of attack. They blamed it on a couple of dogs.
In that case, I think they might have said, I think one
of the dogs was supposed to be like a Golden retriever or something, and
the police went into the neighbor's house and shot the dogs. But none of
it was adding up the conspiracy theory, if you will, or the general
consensus with the cryptid community or some of the investigators that look into dog Man
in Bigfoot was they believed it was a dogmen attack. It's intriguing to me,
but I'm one of those people goes back to Carl Sagan, Right,
you're going to make an extraordinary claim. There's got to be extraordinary evidence that
were saying that the body was extremely mauled. It was beyond what they believed
that a pack of dogs could do. There was just this whole thing,
this mystery wrapped in another enigma. So I'm very careful to say one way
or the other about what I believe. I would have to see a lot
more evidence, but it certainly intriguing. There are some mysterious things. People
go missing, people show up dead, with some really strange I think the
next door you're going to talk about has some strange things to it. So
maybe we get into that and maybe talk a little bit about that, because
that one seems a little bit more out there than even the one you just
talked about. Yeah, the next one is sadly, a thirteen year old
boy in Kentucky. His body was found if I'm remembering right, His body
was found over one hundred yards up a ridge. And to hear people talk
at ridge is putting it lightly. It's almost like a mountain. But they
came to the same conclusion that a pack of wild dog killed this boy and
drug it one hundred yards up this mountain. Thirteen year old boy, he
didn't look very big and well we think fifty sixty seventy pounds. Maybe maybe
they could drag him up a hill, but he was certainly mauled. The
corner got there and went up there and looked, and they pronounced him dead
instantly. There's nothing that could be done. And in this case, there
was a mine in the area where there was a pack of stray dogs that
were living. But again people are questioning. No nobody saw or heard these
dogs come in this boy's yard and get them and drag them up the hill.
You would think there would be a lot of screaming, and I could
be speaking. I turned there could have been some witnesses that heard something.
I don't know. I haven't seen anything like that could be wrong, but
again, I mean what I wouldn't think some stray, malnourished dogs would be
able to drag a kid up a mountain and kill him. I don't know.
Again, they're blaming it on a pack of stray dogs. I don't
know about DNA evidence or anything like that. Maybe some of our listeners that
are more familiar with that can chime in. But you know, the first
one we talked about was in North Carolina. This one's in Kentucky, and
I couldn't find the information on There were two separate animal tax deaths in the
state of Tennessee where I live, and they were in the same neighborhood,
in the same area. I can't find any information on it. I'll keep
digging, But you got North Carolina Kentucky, Tennessee. I found a report
of a forty year old man in Florida that was found in the wooded area
behind some people's homes with over one hundred bike marks on him, and he
was dead and again blamed on a pack of straight dogs. I mean,
is that a bigger issue than we're aware of or are straight dogs in the
US and especially the South? Is it that big of a problem. And
something else that I found alarming, Brian. When doing the little bit of
research that I did for this, I looked up dog attacks in general.
They are freaking everywhere. It is scary. Wikipedia has a list by a
year. It's starting with twenty twenty four and going down about people that were
killed. And I looked at twenty twenty three. There were so many of
them. And what bothers me the most is how many children there were,
toddler and younger. It was reports of a six month old being killed by
a pit bull, a one year old scarlet. My daughter is two and
she'll be three in May. She loves dog and mean and I love that
about her because she's kind and she loves animals. But she has never met
a dog that she didn't love. And she will run up to a dog,
knowing it or not, and wrap her arms around it. And that's
so unsafe. It scares me to death. Man, it does. Are
you aware of this epidemic, if we can call it that of dogs hurting
and killing people? I deal with that a lot, actually, because when
I left APD and we were hanging around in Georgia getting ready to start traveling.
For almost a year, I worked for Fulton County Animal Services as an
animal control officer went out on these dog bite calls quite often. And there
is, at least i'll speak for Atlanta and Fulton County in general, there
are a ton of stray dogs. That was ninety five percent of the calls
that came into the call center was stray dogs. Because there are leash laws
in that area, they're supposed to be contained behind a fence and or on
a leash. Where I live here in North Carolina, there is no leash
law. There's nothing that says you have to have a dog on a leash.
You don't have to have your dog contained in your yard. There's dogs
that come over here on our property quite often. We'll catch them on our
cameras and whatnot. That is an issue. It is a prolific issue.
I think pretty much anywhere there's a lot of stray dogs. Unfortunately, people
get animals they can't take care of or don't want to take care of,
and they end up just on the street. Both of our big dogs that
we have that you got to see on social media, Zena and Iggy,
came to us as strays. They just showed up and they'd never left.
So it is a thing. I tell you. There wasn't a whole lot
of stray dogs that were causing a lot of issues as far as I was
concerned that were biting people. It's not one of those things. And unfortunately
a lot of the deaths that I didn't work the death case, but there
was a big one that was going on at the time I was there that
it happened a year or so before, maybe two years before, of a
toddler that was killed by some pit bulls that got loose in the area in
her neighborhood. And I think one of the problems with kids in particular is
their size number one, and then they tend to run, and that's the
worst thing you can do. When those animals go into predator prey mode.
It's that instinct their lizard brain kicks in. Oh this thing's running, I'm
going to take it down and do what I do as a dog. It's
happened with chickens and stuff with our dogs in the past when we first got
them here. We had to train that out of them. But yeah,
I wasn't aware that there were so many, particularly in the South, as
far as dog bites and deaths. But it doesn't really, it doesn't surprise
me. And I will say this, A pack of dogs, or even
a couple of dogs that are decent size, can pull a lot of weight.
Xena are smaller of the two big dogs we have. She is solid
muscleman. She is pit bull and she is blue heeler mix. We had
her DNA done and she is solid muscle. I would not want to piss
her off, even though she doesn't come up to your knees. So they
can pull a lot of weight and they could probably take down a thirteen or
fourteen year old kid if there were a couple of them. But I don't
know. Man, It's one of those stories. It's fascinating to talk about,
and even to add the possible cryptid dog man could be responsible. I
tend to go with Okham's razor man, like the first story you were talking
about. As far as the big cats here in North Carolina, we just
posted a picture. It's a funny picture, just backhanded way to get back
at the shit talkers on Instagram. But we posted we found what looks like
mountain lion scat right on the path where we walked the dogs every morning.
And Danny took one of the little bigfoots that we have that's about five inches
tall and took it up there and said, hey, for all the shit
talkers, why don't you tell me what kind of scant this is? Or
however you worded it. I was getting a lot of messages about that too,
but most people thought it was funny. But it looks I immediately thought
it was mountain lion scat. I got a couple of people that were sending
me messages and text messages saying, hey, dude, it looks like mountain
lion's cat. So it was definitely big cat of some sort. I don't
know what kind. So they are here. But Ockham's razor. Back to
what you said, if people were seeing what they thought to be mountain lions
or cougars or whatever you want to call them, one hundred yards away from
where this lady was killed. Ockham's razor tells me that it's possible that this
cat might have done it, same thing with the young kid. Cats tend
to drag their kills to hire elevations, up in trees, up heels,
those kind of things I would lean more towards again it was something more terrestrial,
like maybe a big cat that might have killed this kid, or even
the dogs might have pulled his body unfortunately up into the area that they did.
I don't know. We'd love to hear from you, guys. What
do you guys think? Have you got other stories that may be even more
compelling than the ones that we pulled out here to talk about? Let us
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