WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.680 --> 00:00:06.360 Steve Rivera and jaygn Salez. They have their eye on the ball on Tucson 2 00:00:06.559 --> 00:00:11.759 Sports Big Jet, Fox Sports fourteen fifty streaming live. I mean, iHeart 3 00:00:11.880 --> 00:00:15.439 radio wams Hey, welcome back to Ie on the Ball here on Fox Sports 4 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:18.399 fourteen. Cookie, I'm Steve, he's Jay. Now we have said with 5 00:00:18.480 --> 00:00:24.440 breaking news, his eye on the ball, breaking news on Fox Sports fourteen 6 00:00:24.559 --> 00:00:28.839 fifty. All right it We'll start off our breaking news with the big stuff 7 00:00:29.519 --> 00:00:35.000 related to the Coyotes as they won their last game yesterday. The move to 8 00:00:35.039 --> 00:00:39.640 Salt Lake the official now, and we just got word of some other news. 9 00:00:40.600 --> 00:00:44.880 The Tucson Roadrunners will also be moving. They'll be going to Phoenix, 10 00:00:45.159 --> 00:00:49.399 Coyote's owner said. Right. The NHL made the official announcement on the Coyotes 11 00:00:49.679 --> 00:00:54.679 a little earlier today that they are moving to Utah. A little kind of 12 00:00:54.719 --> 00:01:00.600 thing hanging in there is that the Coyotes franchise will be declared inact, meaning 13 00:01:00.039 --> 00:01:04.439 it's still part of the NHL. It's just inactive. The owner retains the 14 00:01:04.480 --> 00:01:07.640 owner rights and as soon as he can get an arena built. If he 15 00:01:07.680 --> 00:01:12.439 gets an arena built, they can reactivate the team. But in the meantime 16 00:01:14.159 --> 00:01:19.120 it was. He also said, what's the name of Marulo? What's the 17 00:01:19.120 --> 00:01:22.959 first name? I can't remember. He said apparently on a radio show in 18 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:26.879 Phoenix today that they are going to move the road Runners up to Phoenix, 19 00:01:26.879 --> 00:01:30.959 are playing that arena, the a s U's Hockey Area. Before the season 20 00:01:30.959 --> 00:01:33.840 started, didn't we have the was it was it this guy? We had 21 00:01:33.879 --> 00:01:36.439 an owner, we had the president, the president of the team. Okay, 22 00:01:36.519 --> 00:01:38.359 yeah, he was a Hispanic guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 23 00:01:38.400 --> 00:01:40.560 you had a lot of fun with yeah, yeah, no, okay. 24 00:01:40.719 --> 00:01:45.159 So you know it impacts people here now down here right with the move now 25 00:01:45.200 --> 00:01:49.239 right decision, you have one less you know, you're well, Arizona's two 26 00:01:49.280 --> 00:01:53.319 sons lost another professional franchise and one that's been pretty successful. They've been around 27 00:01:53.319 --> 00:01:57.040 for a while and and they're you know, they're they're going to be gone. 28 00:01:59.120 --> 00:02:01.519 How that affects something, Well, you know, I think the maybe 29 00:02:01.560 --> 00:02:06.799 abodes a little well a little bit, I guess for for both the f 30 00:02:06.879 --> 00:02:10.319 C Tucson and the Sugar Skulls, because that's you know, less one one, 31 00:02:10.439 --> 00:02:14.800 one less place to divvy up the entertainment dollar. But you know, 32 00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:19.639 look, the Tucson fans have done a good job of supporting this team. 33 00:02:19.960 --> 00:02:23.240 You know, the crowds were good. It's been the team's been here for 34 00:02:23.280 --> 00:02:25.719 a while, it's lasted, and yet it gets pulled out. You know, 35 00:02:25.840 --> 00:02:30.879 the rug gets pulled out again from Tucson, and no fault of their 36 00:02:30.919 --> 00:02:32.759 own through no fault of it. It's it's through the fault of what was 37 00:02:32.759 --> 00:02:37.080 going on up at the Coyota. Sure. Sure, now the guy could 38 00:02:37.159 --> 00:02:39.800 keep the team here if you wanted to, But you know he's sure. 39 00:02:39.800 --> 00:02:44.680 He's dug in up in Phoenix because that's where the where the franchise is. 40 00:02:44.719 --> 00:02:47.080 So he said, Okay, we're going to keep hockey going in Phoenix so 41 00:02:47.120 --> 00:02:52.759 that when we get our NHL franchise back, people have continued to have hockey. 42 00:02:52.879 --> 00:02:57.479 That it makes sense. I'm not saying it's not a good business decision. 43 00:02:57.479 --> 00:03:00.000 It probably is a good business decision. It just sucks for two soon. 44 00:03:00.199 --> 00:03:05.120 Yeah. Looking into basketball news, Pella Larson has announced he's declared for 45 00:03:05.159 --> 00:03:10.000 the draft, kind of as most expected. Some say he's probably the most 46 00:03:10.039 --> 00:03:15.199 ready NBA prospect out of the guys on the roster last season. Yeah, 47 00:03:15.199 --> 00:03:16.960 I didn't realize he's He's in the mock drafts. He's he's a second round 48 00:03:17.000 --> 00:03:22.199 pick. He's like in the forties as a as a draft pick. So 49 00:03:22.360 --> 00:03:23.879 he'll get a shot. You know, he'll get you chance to go over 50 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:27.800 there and show if he can do it or not. Right, what do 51 00:03:27.800 --> 00:03:34.039 you think? I just golad' say, not me too. I I he's 52 00:03:35.039 --> 00:03:38.759 he's not He's not big enough to be the you know, the the four 53 00:03:38.840 --> 00:03:42.520 guy that can step out, uh make threes and stuff like that. He's 54 00:03:42.520 --> 00:03:46.599 a he's a decent shooter. I think he's a little undersized for the position, 55 00:03:46.039 --> 00:03:50.680 maybe not cook enough for the position that he would have to play. 56 00:03:50.919 --> 00:03:53.960 And didn't you think apples to apples when he came here from Utah that you 57 00:03:54.039 --> 00:03:59.719 thought that he would be better overall better shoot. Well, it's too consistent, 58 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:02.639 consistent, because he was really good at times, Steve. You know, 59 00:04:02.800 --> 00:04:06.000 there were no no, he played some incredible games, but he just 60 00:04:06.120 --> 00:04:10.599 it just didn't come game in and game out, And there were some games 61 00:04:10.599 --> 00:04:14.199 where he was just not only was he inconsistent, he was bad. Some 62 00:04:14.319 --> 00:04:17.199 games he'd have four turnovers in the first half, stuff like that. And 63 00:04:17.240 --> 00:04:20.560 we've talked about it a number of times. He was the guy with the 64 00:04:20.560 --> 00:04:25.160 best numbers throughout the whole year, kind of across the board the straw that 65 00:04:25.240 --> 00:04:29.720 started to drink, but the drink tasted bad at times. It did, 66 00:04:30.079 --> 00:04:32.720 and and part of the reasons why they lost against the Clemson was he didn't 67 00:04:32.720 --> 00:04:36.439 have to have a good did not have a game defensively or offensive. Right, 68 00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:41.959 speaking of defense, Uh, Morosquez, the former Arizona forward, is 69 00:04:42.120 --> 00:04:46.800 moving to Saint Marriage. Reportedly yep, right, another good a good player. 70 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:49.199 I mean, Jay mentioned that he probably didn't play defense very well, 71 00:04:49.240 --> 00:04:53.920 and there's a reason he didn't. I don't disagree, but maybe there just 72 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:56.600 wasn't a spot for n because he played a little Uh, and he can 73 00:04:56.639 --> 00:04:58.560 shoot it. I like the way he played that way. And that's the 74 00:04:58.560 --> 00:05:00.519 thing, Steve, he was such a good shooter. He had to be 75 00:05:00.639 --> 00:05:02.920 really bad at something else to not be able to get on the floor, 76 00:05:03.040 --> 00:05:05.560 right, And that's that's the thing people have to take. Oh, we're 77 00:05:05.560 --> 00:05:09.519 losing Morosco. So he was such a great shooter, and Tommy never played 78 00:05:09.560 --> 00:05:13.560 him. Well, Tommy didn't play him because he's probably a liability in other 79 00:05:13.600 --> 00:05:16.319 areas. Right, Maybe the only thing he could do was shoot, right. 80 00:05:16.800 --> 00:05:19.360 So you know, you go to a place like Saint Mary's. Yeah, 81 00:05:19.399 --> 00:05:21.160 of course he's gonna go off. He's gonna be one of the best 82 00:05:21.160 --> 00:05:26.160 three point shooters in the country at Saint Mary's. But at Saint Mary's you 83 00:05:26.199 --> 00:05:30.879 don't have to guard NBA guys game in and game out like you have to 84 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:34.279 do when you're at Arizona. Yeah. I think most of the time when 85 00:05:34.319 --> 00:05:39.519 coaches don't play someone pretty good reason. Right, Coaches want to win. 86 00:05:39.920 --> 00:05:42.480 If a guy, if they think a guy can help him win, they're 87 00:05:42.519 --> 00:05:45.560 gonna play the guy. And sometimes they play them too much to a fault. 88 00:05:45.639 --> 00:05:49.519 Yeah, right, right. Moving into Arizona football, they got a 89 00:05:49.560 --> 00:05:55.160 big visitor in town today. The top player in the portal form, Oregon 90 00:05:55.160 --> 00:05:59.240 Stay running back Davian Martinez is visiting Arizona and he has them in their top 91 00:05:59.279 --> 00:06:02.040 four. We'll see where he winds up. But overall, good sign for 92 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:06.800 Brent Brandon and he's able to bring in a guy uh that caliber for a 93 00:06:06.879 --> 00:06:10.959 visit. Yeah, he's a he's a guy. Certainly when you know the 94 00:06:10.959 --> 00:06:14.120 beginning of the year last year, when we were thinking that that Arizona game 95 00:06:14.360 --> 00:06:16.839 or the Oregon State game here was likely a loss. He was one of 96 00:06:16.839 --> 00:06:21.759 the big reasons they had both DJ and then they had him, and you 97 00:06:21.800 --> 00:06:26.360 thought he's really good. I don't. I really don't want to see him 98 00:06:26.399 --> 00:06:30.120 run all over Arizona and he I mean he you know, he did well. 99 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:33.839 But Arizona won that game, so I'm certain. Well, remember, 100 00:06:34.399 --> 00:06:39.560 I know some guys who would be very happy to welcome Damien Martinez UH to 101 00:06:39.639 --> 00:06:46.839 Arizona next next season. Sticking with the Arizona Sports News softball, their last 102 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:51.160 home series starts tomorrow. They play Arizona State here. So last home series 103 00:06:51.199 --> 00:06:59.600 already, yep, yep, get out? Come on, man. What's 104 00:06:59.600 --> 00:07:01.879 happening to the year, Steve. You're getting older. I'm getting older. 105 00:07:02.199 --> 00:07:09.800 I'm getting great. Time is going too fast as you get older. I 106 00:07:09.839 --> 00:07:13.240 want to collect some some money before I die. I have to look up 107 00:07:13.240 --> 00:07:15.120 their schedule to see where they go. I mean, they've got they've got 108 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:15.839 to have stuff. After that, we gotta call, we gotta call. 109 00:07:15.920 --> 00:07:19.079 Let's take this call. HI are on there and I on the ball. 110 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:24.639 Hey, good, good, good day, gentlemen. How you doing Rick? 111 00:07:24.680 --> 00:07:30.120 What's up? Good? Steve? Uh? This nil stuff? When 112 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:34.519 the guys said that, or what I guess Jay looked it up? If 113 00:07:34.519 --> 00:07:41.720 I'm paying somebody to do advertisements for me, that is a business expense, 114 00:07:41.800 --> 00:07:46.120 but I don't know if it qualifies for n N I L right, that 115 00:07:46.199 --> 00:07:50.480 was specifically donating to a collective. So you know where money goes into a 116 00:07:50.480 --> 00:07:56.720 collective, then it goes to athletes and whatever program that collective supports. But 117 00:07:56.759 --> 00:08:01.519 if you have a contract, like like Bert Lopez has a contract with TAMAC 118 00:08:01.959 --> 00:08:05.040 as part of his business, there's probably some you know, he can probably 119 00:08:05.040 --> 00:08:09.040 claim something of that on his taxes. But in terms of is it a 120 00:08:09.399 --> 00:08:13.399 is it a tax deductible donation when you donate to a collective, That's what 121 00:08:13.439 --> 00:08:18.120 it's saying. It is not right and then and so and the question is 122 00:08:18.120 --> 00:08:26.639 is the university making these payments based on what factor that That's the question that 123 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:31.439 we have for Ray Wells right that you know, like like like you go 124 00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:35.240 you go to the U of a collective website and there's a jersey for whoever 125 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:39.279 wears number twenty on the team. You buy that jersey. Whoever wears that 126 00:08:39.399 --> 00:08:43.840 jersey gets a piece of that money. That's what that's what we're talking about 127 00:08:43.879 --> 00:08:46.559 over there and supporting those collectives. Or you go to the collective you say, 128 00:08:46.840 --> 00:08:52.840 I want, I need two athletes at my event on such and such 129 00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:56.080 a day. They come to your event and then they're paid out of the 130 00:08:56.080 --> 00:09:03.759 collective for that. All right, So, and I guess if I'm a 131 00:09:03.799 --> 00:09:07.759 business person, I am, But why would I want to donate to a 132 00:09:07.799 --> 00:09:13.559 collective that has the university making these payments when I could just make them directly 133 00:09:13.639 --> 00:09:16.519 myself? Well you can, I mean, that's that's some guys. Some 134 00:09:16.559 --> 00:09:20.159 people do a lot of people do that, and that's the problem with but 135 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:24.600 for instance the bird. Again, we keep referring to the Bert Lopez thing 136 00:09:24.639 --> 00:09:26.320 because only because we talked to him and he told us about it. Bert 137 00:09:26.360 --> 00:09:33.279 Lopez has has TEMAC on a on a contract and TAC has to go do 138 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:37.200 certain things that are a benefit to Bert Lopez's business. You know, He's 139 00:09:37.240 --> 00:09:43.120 got housing developments and he does different things. He has community events through his 140 00:09:43.240 --> 00:09:48.639 business, HSL properties, those kinds of things. So part of Tmac's contract 141 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:54.000 is to make these appearances and do these things, uh and represent his business. 142 00:09:54.159 --> 00:09:58.720 That's a direct contract with him on that right, Like with Boswell. 143 00:09:58.080 --> 00:10:05.320 Boswell had a contract with whomever rent of the rita. But again, why 144 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:13.600 would the if I want to make a donation in the university to the education 145 00:10:13.799 --> 00:10:20.600 Foundation. That is totally that is a dig. So why would again. 146 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:24.000 I think n C double A needs to figure out a way to take care 147 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:28.679 of these people because they're asking him for money and there's no tax benefit and 148 00:10:28.799 --> 00:10:39.360 making these donations exactly another reason why this is not sustainable. Another reason it 149 00:10:39.519 --> 00:10:46.320 really isn't and it's what's frustrating is if I'm a student and nobody's buying my 150 00:10:46.480 --> 00:10:52.279 jersey, I'm I'm I guess s O L and so. But anyway, 151 00:10:52.799 --> 00:10:56.919 well, you guys figure it out and you let us know when you got 152 00:10:56.919 --> 00:11:01.519 it all done. Okay, horses there, Yeah, don't be waiting into 153 00:11:01.559 --> 00:11:07.000 the bus stop for that one. Thanks a lot ricks, all right, 154 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:09.919 Yes, sid Man, I was looking at this kid. I forgot. 155 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:13.720 They've got to pack off tournament. Yep, that's why I'm surprised that the 156 00:11:13.799 --> 00:11:18.759 last regular season series is still is in April. Then the after ACU they 157 00:11:18.799 --> 00:11:20.120 go to u C l A. They do have a home game with Frank 158 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:24.360 Cannon. Yeah, that that will be the final one of the year. 159 00:11:24.399 --> 00:11:30.639 Here, I wanted to mention some women's basketball news before this breaking new segment 160 00:11:30.679 --> 00:11:37.000 heads out of the Hayley Van Lift heading the TCU transferring over there even after 161 00:11:37.600 --> 00:11:41.320 from l s U right l s U. So we'll see how that works 162 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:46.200 out. There's also un work to see you that's the place so they needed 163 00:11:46.480 --> 00:11:48.960 they felt like Arizona because they only had like seven players on the roster had 164 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:54.440 the suspense and that isn't yeah okay, yeah, the other player the player 165 00:11:54.799 --> 00:11:58.000 she went to Madison Connor right then that where she was at right at TCU, 166 00:11:58.080 --> 00:12:01.679 okay, yeah. And then related to that, Kaitlyn Clark is expected 167 00:12:01.720 --> 00:12:07.279 to land an eight figure deal with Nike, which is somebody said I saw 168 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:11.399 a tweet that said it was twenty million, twenty million dollars. I'm guessing 169 00:12:11.440 --> 00:12:16.120 that that stuff like that's gonna make it hard for her in the NBA. 170 00:12:16.320 --> 00:12:20.679 Right, there's gonna be some it's some a little resentment, I would say 171 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:26.519 for some of these other other players who have come before her, who kind 172 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:30.320 of laid the groundwork. But you also can't mess around with the Golden Goose, 173 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:35.000 No, because she's elevated the game right for everyone, right, she's 174 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:37.960 bringing Yeah, she's bringing something to the game, but that's harder to see 175 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:41.919 than a stack of money. Jay if I'm opening holes for you when you're 176 00:12:41.919 --> 00:12:46.960 making money, I'm a little pissed. Yeah, exactly. Some NBA news, 177 00:12:48.039 --> 00:12:52.279 Jimmy Butler is expected to miss several weeks. As yesterday, the Heat 178 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:56.960 lost to the Bulls, so now they'll have the playing game to get into 179 00:12:56.039 --> 00:13:01.120 the playoffs. The Heat will face off against the Bulls and then on the 180 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:05.919 other side you have the Kings and the Pelicans, so we'll see how they 181 00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:09.200 shape out. But that's that's big news for Miami because if Miami were to 182 00:13:09.240 --> 00:13:15.080 win that game, they they would play the Boston Celtics without without the Pelicans 183 00:13:15.080 --> 00:13:20.519 are without well, they'll be without Zion. So so next on, one 184 00:13:20.639 --> 00:13:22.720 gamer, right, one gamer? When to get in before your season's over. 185 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:26.720 It's the big news there. I don't know if you guys. I 186 00:13:26.759 --> 00:13:33.000 have one thing and I want to bring this up because the height of hypocrisy 187 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:39.360 in this statement. There's a Diamondbacks put out a statement the entire Diamondbacks organization 188 00:13:39.480 --> 00:13:43.399 is disappointed in the non official news of our NHL team being Oh, let's 189 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:46.399 take this call. I'll get back to this maybe later. Hi, you're 190 00:13:46.399 --> 00:13:48.879 on there, aren't on the ball. They just wanted to make a point 191 00:13:48.919 --> 00:13:54.320 about this. I have a question at the end. Okay, go ahead, 192 00:13:56.159 --> 00:14:01.320 Uh this is right, are you right? Go ahead? Any So, 193 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:07.240 I heard a spell about all of these former athletes invested in the community. 194 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:11.159 You know, they were here for four or five years and they come 195 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:13.080 back the locks of the community. It's true. And I know a lot 196 00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:16.159 of those guys, high character guys. I mean, I know you know, 197 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:22.440 Bob Elliott and Gary Harrison and a lot of them. Man, But 198 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:26.559 I just don't The point I want to make is we can't lose sight of 199 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:31.559 what goddess in this position, because I've been to restaurants and places and I 200 00:14:31.600 --> 00:14:37.240 know guys that can't even They didn't even know how to take their girlfriends out 201 00:14:37.240 --> 00:14:41.480 because they didn't have cast to do so. Man, the NCAA and the 202 00:14:41.600 --> 00:14:45.519 University of Arizona and all the US of the universities have used these kids for 203 00:14:45.759 --> 00:14:48.919 years and years and years, and no one was screaming anything about it. 204 00:14:50.440 --> 00:14:54.919 And so I can't blame those kids for doing what they're doing. I know 205 00:14:54.960 --> 00:14:58.799 it's short sighted, but you can't put the blunt all of the blame on 206 00:15:00.080 --> 00:15:05.879 them because their kids, right, And so I I think we should emphasize 207 00:15:05.039 --> 00:15:09.519 or not forget what God is in this position in the first place. And 208 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:15.080 the second point I wanted to make is, man, we should be focused 209 00:15:15.120 --> 00:15:18.120 on solutions. I mean, somebody's gonna hear a great idea. I don't 210 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:22.799 know if it's going to be a lawmaker or one of these athletes or someone 211 00:15:22.840 --> 00:15:26.200 from the n C double A. I'm not holding up rough about that, 212 00:15:26.080 --> 00:15:33.320 and institute some guidelines the restrictions, man, about limiting you know, we 213 00:15:33.360 --> 00:15:35.879 can't have free agency every year, maybe every three years or something. Some 214 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:39.519 something ideal that will get us back on an even keel, that puts some 215 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:46.440 consistency to this this n I l because it's here to stay in some shape 216 00:15:46.519 --> 00:15:52.240 or fashion. No great points. Yeah, you're correct, no work. 217 00:15:52.399 --> 00:15:56.320 I'm not blaming the kids for wanting to get the money, for saying, 218 00:15:56.320 --> 00:16:00.120 is just the way this has come about, the way it's happening, the 219 00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:03.679 way it's taking place, and how so out of control it is, and 220 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:07.159 I don't know how they're ever going to get it back under control. That's 221 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:08.879 the that's the issue, all right. Ray, Hey, thanks a bunch 222 00:16:08.879 --> 00:16:11.600 man. We got to go to break so we appreciate the call problem. 223 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:15.200 Thank you, the program, Thank you all right, we got to hit 224 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:18.000 the road. Steve's officially hitting the road. Steve's not going to be here 225 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:22.080 the rest of the show. He's got to go down and cover some stuff. 226 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:25.360 But I'll be here. 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John who 302 00:21:44.599 --> 00:21:49.839 covers all the business angles of sports and developed quite a niche for himself and 303 00:21:51.039 --> 00:21:53.119 gives it brings a lot of expertise, not only to us in the PAC 304 00:21:53.119 --> 00:21:56.839 twelve footprint, but all over the country. John, how you doing today? 305 00:21:57.119 --> 00:22:00.920 I'm good, So you're flying? So wherever is that on the side 306 00:22:00.960 --> 00:22:06.599 of that and all you can eat buffet? He well, I'll give him 307 00:22:06.640 --> 00:22:08.400 the benefit of that. Dould say, he's not unless he stopped at one 308 00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:11.400 on the way to his assignment. He's actually on his way to cover the 309 00:22:11.480 --> 00:22:15.240 ribbon cutting for the new uf A Golf facility out of Tucson Country Club. 310 00:22:15.240 --> 00:22:18.279 But he yes, he did leave me hanging, and he left me hanging 311 00:22:18.279 --> 00:22:22.000 a whole bunch of the NCAA tournament. So I haven't forgiven him for that, 312 00:22:22.079 --> 00:22:26.200 but he is. He is on a legitimate assignment this time, so 313 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:30.200 we're well, well good. Yeah. So anyway, so I was mentioning 314 00:22:30.200 --> 00:22:32.839 that, you know, you do cover a lot of the business side of 315 00:22:33.279 --> 00:22:37.440 athletics, particularly around the PAC twelve and today, and there's a Daily Star 316 00:22:37.519 --> 00:22:41.480 ran a column that you actually put out yesterday talking about the financial situation at 317 00:22:41.559 --> 00:22:45.599 at Arizona as you as you noted in the lead of the of the of 318 00:22:45.640 --> 00:22:49.839 the column that you know, the the financial problems over there probably contributed to 319 00:22:49.880 --> 00:22:55.039 Dave Dave Hickey leaving and a new athletic director coming in there. Bobby Robbins 320 00:22:55.079 --> 00:22:56.640 has made a decision to step down at the end of his contract. So 321 00:22:57.039 --> 00:23:03.319 things have happened likely because of this. But you were kind of your take 322 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:06.279 on this was kind of what's the big deal? Right, So tell us 323 00:23:06.279 --> 00:23:10.519 what you thought or your thoughts on what you found in terms of Arizona's financial 324 00:23:10.559 --> 00:23:14.640 situation. Well, yeah, it was there was a little bit of sarcasm 325 00:23:14.720 --> 00:23:22.440 in them, but basically I wanted to see exactly how much Arizona used of 326 00:23:22.960 --> 00:23:29.480 institutional money, right, and the NCAA allowed schools to allocate student fees to 327 00:23:29.559 --> 00:23:34.680 athletics, and it allows schools to make direct transfers to athletics. And to 328 00:23:34.759 --> 00:23:41.839 what extent was Arizona's athletic department relying on school support? And what I found 329 00:23:41.039 --> 00:23:48.480 is basically that when you add up the student fees and the direct transfers plus 330 00:23:49.160 --> 00:23:59.400 an additional thirty one million dollar loan, Arizona rang up about forty three forty 331 00:23:59.440 --> 00:24:08.039 four million dollars in school money for athletics and it needed that money to balance 332 00:24:08.079 --> 00:24:11.559 its books. Now that's a lot of money, and I can understand why 333 00:24:12.319 --> 00:24:17.640 there was an uproar, But if you're comparing to the rest of the PAC 334 00:24:17.720 --> 00:24:25.240 twelve, Arizona's not actually an outlier. In fact, ASU would be running 335 00:24:25.319 --> 00:24:30.799 a bigger deficit than Arizona if you removed ASU school support from the athletic department 336 00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:41.240 budget. Cal and Colorado and UCLA, all those schools are thirty five forty 337 00:24:41.319 --> 00:24:47.599 million dollars in the hole without school support. Arizona's in the whole about forty 338 00:24:47.640 --> 00:24:51.960 three million. So it's not really an outlier when you compare it to a 339 00:24:51.960 --> 00:24:55.359 lot of other schools in the in the PAC twelve. So the point of 340 00:24:55.400 --> 00:25:00.319 the article was, you know, what on a comparative basis, Arizona situation 341 00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:06.240 is not as bad as maybe some people might have thought. But I will 342 00:25:06.279 --> 00:25:07.599 say in somebody, you know, I've been here for forever and ever, 343 00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:11.359 and there was a point, you know, back in the history of athletics 344 00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:15.200 where you know, one of their points of pride was, you know, 345 00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:19.160 we're we're we're we're self supporting, self sustaining. We don't need money from 346 00:25:19.599 --> 00:25:26.079 from from the campus in terms of bridge loans or or you know, you 347 00:25:26.079 --> 00:25:27.640 know, funds that are coming over. Yes, they've always had student fees, 348 00:25:27.960 --> 00:25:30.920 I mean, all the way back to when I was in college. 349 00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:34.240 It's a whole lot more now than it was back then. But so I 350 00:25:34.279 --> 00:25:38.799 don't know if it's that people are hanging on to this ideal that athletics should 351 00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:45.279 be self supporting and shouldn't be relying on the campus to help fund athletics. 352 00:25:45.319 --> 00:25:49.319 There's a lot of people who just absolutely hate that. Yeah, well, 353 00:25:49.400 --> 00:25:56.039 unless you sell seventy five thousand season tickets to football games or count Phil Knight 354 00:25:56.240 --> 00:26:03.160 as an alum, you're probably gonna needed school support to balance your books, 355 00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:10.000 right, And you know there's Cal thirty. I think I just list off 356 00:26:10.279 --> 00:26:15.200 the school support. But the bottom line is last year, the eleven PAC 357 00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:18.480 twelve schools that I was able to get data for, so all of them 358 00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:26.039 except USC one hundred and fifty million dollars in collective school support for the athletic 359 00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:30.440 departments. And that's with Oregon not taking any. Oregon's the only school in 360 00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:36.880 the conference that doesn't take any campus support. But the bottom line, too, 361 00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:41.279 is is it really a bad thing? It's great to claim that you're 362 00:26:41.319 --> 00:26:45.720 self sufficient, but is it the worst thing in the world for the university 363 00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:52.440 to help fund athletics because athletics does so much in return for the university. 364 00:26:52.559 --> 00:27:00.119 I mean, Arizona's basketball program is better known than anything else about Arizona nationally, 365 00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:07.079 and you could say that about Colorado football or the football, UCLA basketball. 366 00:27:07.160 --> 00:27:11.119 Right these programs are the most visible aspects of the school and they do 367 00:27:11.160 --> 00:27:15.640 a lot of good for the school in terms of national branding. So if 368 00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:22.000 the institution wants to support use ten to fifteen to twenty million dollars a year 369 00:27:22.039 --> 00:27:26.440 to support athletics. I don't know that that's necessarily the wrong thing, And 370 00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:27.680 I agree one hundred percent with that. I mean, how many times have 371 00:27:27.759 --> 00:27:33.640 we heard the term that you know, Arizona basketball or Arizona football or athletics 372 00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:36.960 are the front porchs of the university. I mean there have been University of 373 00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:40.759 Arizona people have said that. I think Robbie Robbins has said it sometimes all 374 00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:45.400 the athletic directors say it. And you're right. I mean what they contribute 375 00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:48.200 back, you know, with the value that these universities are getting back. 376 00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:49.720 I mean I'm in person green. Look, I'm a sports guy. You 377 00:27:49.720 --> 00:27:55.440 know, if if the campus is supporting athletics, I'm okay with it. 378 00:27:55.480 --> 00:27:57.480 You know, I put a whole bunch of money into the university through tuition. 379 00:27:57.640 --> 00:28:02.000 You know, three kids, myself, my wife. You know it 380 00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:06.960 to me, and you took nine years to graduate. Now, that was 381 00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:10.279 our That was our friend, our dearly departed friend, Ray Martinez. That 382 00:28:10.359 --> 00:28:12.720 wasn't me. I got out in five because I knew if I didn't, 383 00:28:12.759 --> 00:28:15.920 my dad was gonna kick me out of the house. I mean in four, 384 00:28:15.160 --> 00:28:18.400 I got out in four. I didn't even know. I didn't even 385 00:28:18.400 --> 00:28:19.559 take a chance on that. But but you know what I'm saying, It's 386 00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:22.759 like, yes, there is some value to that. So why why is 387 00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:27.799 it wrong for the university to support that if they're getting something in return. 388 00:28:29.559 --> 00:28:33.359 You no, I don't know that it is. I yeah, I mean 389 00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:36.559 I guess it is. It. Let me ask you this, though, 390 00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:38.319 I don't know how much of an analysis you got to do with this, 391 00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:41.960 But you know how much of this, maybe across the board for all the 392 00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:47.640 schools is a COVID hangover because we all heard the numbers that that the programs 393 00:28:47.680 --> 00:28:51.519 were losing, you know, during those during those times where they didn't have 394 00:28:51.599 --> 00:28:55.359 games and and you know there was an n C double a tournament canceled, 395 00:28:55.759 --> 00:28:57.960 and you know, seasons were you know, uh, I mean yes, 396 00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:03.920 they played a abbreviated a football season and all those kinds of things. I 397 00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:08.880 think the number that that Dave Yiki gave us about where how far under Arizona 398 00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:12.519 Athletic was going to be for that COVID year was forty five million dollars. 399 00:29:12.559 --> 00:29:18.319 Well, that number kind of matches up with what the deficit is, it 400 00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:21.319 does, I think that's a little bit of it, says. My sense 401 00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:26.000 is so the numbers that I pulled were for the most recent reporting year. 402 00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:30.759 The way it works is, you know, the fiscal year ends at the 403 00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:34.920 June thirtieth end. The schools are required to report their revenue and expenses to 404 00:29:34.960 --> 00:29:41.240 the NCAA by January of the following calendar year. So the numbers I've been 405 00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:47.039 looking at are for the fiscal year that encompassed the twenty two football season and 406 00:29:47.079 --> 00:29:52.359 then the twenty three spring twenty three right basketball season. So in the twenty 407 00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:57.079 two football season, I think that most of the COVID hagover had kind of 408 00:29:57.119 --> 00:30:03.960 week between the PAC twelve certainly well, obviously the fall of twenty was completely 409 00:30:04.039 --> 00:30:07.359 wilved by COVID, right, and then the fall of twenty one I think 410 00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:11.680 also was hit pretty hard because there was a lot of campuses that still had 411 00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:15.160 you know, you had to have proof of VACCA they and all that kind 412 00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:19.160 of thing. But by twenty two, I think it had mostly worked its 413 00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:25.480 way through the system. So to me, those numbers are are pretty real 414 00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:32.160 in terms of the post pandemic landscape. Yeah yeah, So any idea what 415 00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:37.720 schools can are can do are trying to do? Maybe should do, you 416 00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:42.079 know, but then you got all this chaos with you know, changing conferences. 417 00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:45.079 You know, UCLA's expenses are going to go up. USC's expense is 418 00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:48.599 going to go up. Stanford and Cow's expenses are going to go up with 419 00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:52.279 all the travel that they're going to have and just you know, managing all 420 00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:56.319 their all their athletics. Is it going to get worse before before it turns 421 00:30:56.319 --> 00:31:00.920 the other direction? Well, it's certainly going to be harder for some schools 422 00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:07.160 than others, depending on travel costs. But the media deals are also a 423 00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:10.359 huge part of the whole thing. And you know, the Big ten schools 424 00:31:10.359 --> 00:31:12.160 have got more travel costs, but they've also got a better media deal. 425 00:31:12.519 --> 00:31:18.160 I don't think that all of a sudden going into the Big twelve is going 426 00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:26.039 to solve Arizona's problems or asus problems financially. I mean, it's going to 427 00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:34.440 help, but they're still going to rely on campus support unless they are able 428 00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:41.880 to make major breakthroughs in other avenues like fundraising and ticket sales, right, 429 00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:47.079 I mean, I would imagine that that Arizona's you know, the fall of 430 00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:52.319 twenty three, which will be uh, we'll see which Arizona made and ticket 431 00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:57.240 sales next winter for this past fall. You know, that'll help, but 432 00:31:57.240 --> 00:32:02.799 they got to sustain that, and they've got to certainly improve fundraising and be 433 00:32:02.960 --> 00:32:09.839 more efficient with how they spend money in order to you know, consistently be 434 00:32:10.079 --> 00:32:14.799 less reliant on campus support. Just going into the Big twelve. It's not 435 00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:16.759 going to solve all the problems. Well, and then you mentioned fundraising, 436 00:32:16.839 --> 00:32:22.480 right, because we've been talking this week about fundraising and the you know money 437 00:32:22.519 --> 00:32:27.640 now that is being asked for to support a school's you know, collectives and 438 00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:30.759 in their NIL programs, and you know, at the same time that are 439 00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:36.519 asking with the other hand, for the for the boosters to support facilities and 440 00:32:36.599 --> 00:32:38.880 scholarships and all those kinds of things. And you know, and we, 441 00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:43.039 I mean, we had a long conversation you say, about how sustainable is 442 00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:45.599 that going to be going forward? We had a da Barnes on the show 443 00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:49.079 and she basically said, we are at the low rung, one of the 444 00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:55.400 lowest rungs for NIL for women's basketball. And she said, we are not 445 00:32:55.480 --> 00:32:59.480 going to be able to compete if we can't raise more money for that. 446 00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:02.599 So you've got people out there asking for money for women's basketball at the same 447 00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:07.759 time they're asking for money for like I said, scholarships and facilities and all 448 00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:13.440 those operational type things that the school needs. It just seems like this I 449 00:33:13.480 --> 00:33:16.799 don't know if there's a big crash coming in the future because of NIL, 450 00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:21.160 or if it's already crashed, or where we are in that. I mean, 451 00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:24.279 where do you think on that? Well, what's going to happen is 452 00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:30.839 the NCAA is going to allow schools to take over basically broker the NIL deals 453 00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:35.640 between the athletes and the third parties. That might help create a little bit 454 00:33:35.640 --> 00:33:39.759 more of an efficient market, But the bigger issue is that athletes are going 455 00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:44.960 to get paid. They're going to become employees at some point here, probably 456 00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:47.119 in the next two three years, is my guest. And if the schools 457 00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:51.200 don't do it willingly, the court system is probably going to force them to 458 00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:53.839 do it. So they've got to come up with a model, and I 459 00:33:53.839 --> 00:33:57.240 think the SEC and the Big ten are trying to do this. They got 460 00:33:57.240 --> 00:34:00.519 to come up with a model that is going to work. They've also got 461 00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:05.440 this lawsuit to house lawsuit filed by a former ASU swimmer Grant House. It's 462 00:34:05.480 --> 00:34:10.360 gonna cost billions and damages for the conferences, which means for the schools. 463 00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:17.679 So the expenses are going to only increase, And especially in the ACC and 464 00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:22.880 Big twelve. I don't know that the revenue is gonna dearly keep pace with 465 00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:25.239 the increase in costs. It's gonna be interesting to see how the whole thing 466 00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:30.159 plays out over the next three or five years. It just sounds also scary 467 00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:34.559 to me. I feel like all of athletics is almost at risk, not 468 00:34:34.679 --> 00:34:37.480 all of it. We know that the Texas Is and the well the secs 469 00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:40.880 and the Big tens, they're gonna make it through this because you know, 470 00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:45.119 Michigan gets one hundred and ten thousand people for football, and so does Ohio 471 00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:49.400 State, so does Alabama, So you know all those schools. But you 472 00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:52.039 know Arizona that if they get forty five thousand to one of their games, 473 00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:57.159 that's pretty good, you know, pretty good day How those programs are gonna 474 00:34:57.159 --> 00:35:00.119 survive. When you think of Arizona shouldn't be just barely trying to survive. 475 00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:06.599 I feel like, you know, they're a well established major Division I program, 476 00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:10.599 But where's that money going to come from? I don't know. They're 477 00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:15.599 going to have to hope they could generate more with fundraising and ticket sales, 478 00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:21.800 but it's it's going to be very difficult. And the Super League, which 479 00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:24.800 a lot of people think is eventually coming, is going to further create a 480 00:35:24.920 --> 00:35:31.079 tiered system in major college football. Arizona is a school, so's Arizona State 481 00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:37.079 that probably borderline on making it into the Super League, depends on how big 482 00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:38.480 it is. I happen to think that it's only going to be thirty or 483 00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:43.639 forty schools, and that you know, the Arizona schools would not make it 484 00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:47.719 in that case. But what college athletics is now compared to what it's going 485 00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:52.480 to look like, say, twenty thirty two, twenty thirty four, completely 486 00:35:52.519 --> 00:35:57.679 different animal. And it may be that, you know, thirty schools are 487 00:35:57.719 --> 00:36:02.239 basically a mini NFL, and everybody else is playing college football in a manner 488 00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:07.840 that looks more like what we have come to know. But it's all the 489 00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:10.400 changes happened in the last few years is going to look like amateur hour compared 490 00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:15.920 to the changes coming down the bike here. Oh my god, God, 491 00:36:16.159 --> 00:36:21.599 now you're depressing me, John, you're depressing me. What you know, 492 00:36:22.119 --> 00:36:29.960 it's partly the NCAA's fault because they refuse to change until the court's forced it 493 00:36:30.039 --> 00:36:34.119 to change. And now the courts are forcing all kinds of change. I 494 00:36:34.119 --> 00:36:40.079 mean this week, right, they just ncbly just approved immediate eligibility for players 495 00:36:40.119 --> 00:36:45.039 who transfer a second and third time. I happen to think that we're getting 496 00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:50.880 close to the era where the four year eligibility clock is increased, right, 497 00:36:50.960 --> 00:36:53.400 I mean, the average student needs more than four years to graduate, So 498 00:36:53.480 --> 00:37:00.119 why shudent an athlete get five or six years of eligibility? And then if 499 00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:04.360 if that's the case, why why couldn't an athlete play for five schools in 500 00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:08.199 five years? With the media eligibility each time, it's gonna it's gonna keep 501 00:37:08.239 --> 00:37:13.119 changing. It's it's gonna be unrecognizable. Oh god, well yeah, well, 502 00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:15.800 I mean, and then with the unrestricted free agency that goes with it, 503 00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:20.000 right, guys who are who you know, going to shop themselves around 504 00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:22.159 after every year, try and get as much money as they can because in 505 00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:25.039 a lot of cases, this might be the only time that they make money 506 00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:30.079 playing playing the sport. And that's particularly it'll be interesting to see how the 507 00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:38.239 NIL market adjusts if and when the athletes are employees and they can collectively bargain 508 00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:46.280 and they are subject to getting cut from rosters under employment law, and they've 509 00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:51.840 got a set salary. You know, I don't know, It's impossible to 510 00:37:51.880 --> 00:37:55.719 predict exactly what it's gonna look like. But it's possible that the NIL situation 511 00:37:55.880 --> 00:38:04.760 will will change once UH employment status is granted. Right, Okay, I 512 00:38:04.840 --> 00:38:07.960 missed the old days, I really do, I really do, but I 513 00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:12.480 get it, you know, because of all the money that's that that's become 514 00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:15.719 a part of this, with coaches making seven, eight, nine ten million 515 00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:17.639 dollars a year, something had to be done, and as you said, 516 00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:22.199 the NCAA just completely dropped the ball on it. Well, and also, 517 00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:30.400 I mean Jetfish goes to Washington. Why should Jetfish get to transfer employers and 518 00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:35.960 Arizona football players are locked into staying in Tucson, right, I mean that's 519 00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:40.480 not really fair and that's unfortunately the nc DOUBLEA didn't realize that until too late, 520 00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:45.760 and the courts are forcing this this change. But I mean, really, 521 00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:51.159 why should a band member be able to go work at in and out 522 00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:58.280 Burger at night and make the money when a football player can't generate income on 523 00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:01.880 their own? Right? These a lot of the rules were unfair, and 524 00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:07.679 the court system's forcing the change. All right, John, Well, appreciate 525 00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:09.719 your time. You know, I loved your perspective on the thing. Like, 526 00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:14.360 Okay, yes, it's a lot of money. But everybody's in kind 527 00:39:14.360 --> 00:39:16.440 of that situation. So if you want to read that, it's in the 528 00:39:16.440 --> 00:39:22.000 Arizona Daily. Start today John's column packed off hotline out of the Bay Area 529 00:39:22.039 --> 00:39:25.199 News Group and the Mercury News. And John, I think you're about to 530 00:39:25.199 --> 00:39:29.559 get spread all over the place right covering what three, four or five conferences 531 00:39:29.599 --> 00:39:32.840 anymore. Yeah, it's gonna be fun those shortage of things to write about 532 00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:36.159 exactly. Well, John, again, thanks for your time. We know 533 00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:37.440 you're busy. Guys. We appreciate any time we can get from you. 534 00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:42.840 So thanks about be well. Thanks you're an Arizona men's basketball fan. You 535 00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:45.480 know it's been successful for nearly forty years. 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It's Steve Levera and 578 00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:53.360 Jagen Salvinz. This is I on the ball on Fox Sports fourteen different. 579 00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:58.159 Welcome back to the balling on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Jacob Zalas. 580 00:42:58.440 --> 00:43:01.840 My partner Steve Rivera had to to go cover an event. He's at the 581 00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:07.639 ribbon cutting for the new U of A golf facility at Tucson Country Club. 582 00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:10.599 But I've got sid here to wrap things up with us. Today got about 583 00:43:10.599 --> 00:43:14.000 a little over nine minutes. If you want to give us a call on 584 00:43:14.199 --> 00:43:16.760 any one of the issues that we've been talking about. Still want to sit 585 00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:21.800 here every break, there's something else. There's something else happening that it just 586 00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:28.079 hit on. Three Sports is reporting that ASU's quarterback Jaden Rashada is planning to 587 00:43:28.199 --> 00:43:31.800 enter the transfer portal. And they're saying planning to enter, so apparently it's 588 00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:36.360 not in it yet. But Rashada, if you recall, was the quarterback 589 00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:40.800 from he was at Florida. He'd committed to Miami, Florida came up with 590 00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:45.159 allegedly came up with a thirteen point eight million dollar NIL deal for him. 591 00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:49.599 He went to Florida, signed a letter of intent. Then it turned out 592 00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:54.760 Florida, the Florida Collective it did not have the dough and he was released 593 00:43:54.760 --> 00:44:01.880 from that from that nil and and I national letter of intent and he wound 594 00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:06.239 up at a s U. He became the starting quarterback last year, played 595 00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:12.599 in uh uh uh you know all season, got his butt kicked by Arizona 596 00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:16.199 and looked bad doing it, and now he's entered the transfer portal. Yeah, 597 00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:20.000 it's to me, it's strange that it happened. This is happening this 598 00:44:20.239 --> 00:44:24.639 late into spring ball, right right after you know, they've introduced Kenny Dillingham 599 00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:30.480 and all the coaching staff, and to leave basically right right, as as 600 00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:35.840 the school semester is gonna end going this summer right right? And so uh 601 00:44:36.119 --> 00:44:38.400 but you know with the portal, with the portal window open again and you 602 00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:42.920 know, players have an opportunity to do that after spring break. Who knows 603 00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:45.199 what into that? Did he not like what was going on? Uh? 604 00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:49.199 But I mean he had a year under Dillon Hansel was not It's not like 605 00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:52.880 he didn't know him. I mean he wondered if he was going to transfer 606 00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:55.320 Wheney transfer when he leave, you know, when the season ended. And 607 00:44:55.360 --> 00:44:59.840 so there's a whole lot of stuff there. But I mean Jaden Mashata, 608 00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:02.519 the quarterback at ASU, apparently going into the portal and then a lot of 609 00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:10.199 back and forth between the Arizona ANDSU people on Twitter. So anyways, let's 610 00:45:10.199 --> 00:45:14.960 take this call. Hi, you're on the Aaron eye on the ball that 611 00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:20.119 well, it's hard to believe that ASU doesn't have a great football program a 612 00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:23.079 school that big, with that kind of resources. You know it. But 613 00:45:23.159 --> 00:45:29.960 anyway, we don't care. One thing we haven't realized what's going on right 614 00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:34.000 now, Jay, is that I don't know if you've noticed that Notre Dame 615 00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:38.000 has the number one class for twenty twenty five, it's pretty apparent that the 616 00:45:38.119 --> 00:45:45.280 Vatican has decided you're going to buy a national championship as a sooner, we 617 00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:49.840 want to issue a warning right now to them if they're going to go down 618 00:45:49.880 --> 00:45:52.079 that road. We've got plenty of money right now, but once we pull 619 00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:55.119 the evangelicals in, we won't have more money than God. Well, you 620 00:45:55.119 --> 00:45:58.840 know, if you if you go back to Godfather part three, you know, 621 00:45:58.880 --> 00:46:01.400 how much does the court your own family have to do with what Notre 622 00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:05.679 Dame now is doing if it goes through the Vatican. Right, so we 623 00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:08.159 can we can connect that way back. But yeah, you know the craziness 624 00:46:08.199 --> 00:46:13.159 of all this and what's your name, Richard? The craziness of all this, 625 00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:17.400 Richard is that it's like every day it's something new, right, it's 626 00:46:17.880 --> 00:46:22.480 you know, the money, the you know, the decisions that coaches and 627 00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:28.400 players are making, just the chaos of all of this, it's it's hard 628 00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:30.679 to not to just drive yourself crazy. And I agree, Jay, and 629 00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:35.400 you know, in many ways, I'm actually for that. For the free 630 00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:38.480 market. Yeah, for Freeman. You know, Nick Saban had his way 631 00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:45.360 his whole career and now he's complaining he was a freeman could leave any day 632 00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:49.280 of the week, just like Jed did h. So there's there's certainly that 633 00:46:49.400 --> 00:46:52.000 aspect, and they made fortunes off the players. These players, by the 634 00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:54.639 way, by the time they get out of high school, now there are 635 00:46:54.719 --> 00:47:00.440 professional athletes by the time they get to college. Right right. Here's one 636 00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:04.679 thing I would want to bring the people's attention that's related to this, and 637 00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:09.119 it's this battle between if you're an independent contractor or an employee, and it's 638 00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:15.880 called California AB five or the pro Act, and it's going to be very 639 00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:22.400 detrimental to independent contractors to across America if you get a ten ninety nine if 640 00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:25.519 you are a gig worker, freelance worker, and that's part of that, 641 00:47:25.519 --> 00:47:30.320 that ruling that said that people have decain were actually employees so they could join 642 00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:35.440 a union anyway. It's a long story, but I would urge anybody out 643 00:47:35.480 --> 00:47:39.960 there that's an independent contractor does ten ninety nine work to study that it's very 644 00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:44.679 going to be a big, big deal. Yeah, really good points because 645 00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:50.000 well, you know, they if they make the the athletes employees, now 646 00:47:50.079 --> 00:47:52.360 everybody's going to get them. There's going to be so is somebody's still going 647 00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:57.360 to be able to make a million five when when well when the centers and 648 00:47:57.360 --> 00:48:00.440 that would be you would think right now, we have Caleb Williams probably has 649 00:48:00.440 --> 00:48:05.639 an LLC, many of them probably do, some may have for prior ships, 650 00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:09.039 some may be employees. I'm not sure the entire dynamics of that, 651 00:48:09.679 --> 00:48:15.280 but there certainly is an attempt right now movement in our country, uh to 652 00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:21.480 force independent contractors to become employees. Right so they have to eventually vote to 653 00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:24.920 being a union or not. The unions are okay for marge companies or marger 654 00:48:25.079 --> 00:48:29.519 entities, but it's down to the micro level. So that's why I'm bringing 655 00:48:29.599 --> 00:48:31.079 up and this doesn't this is not sports talk. I don't want to get 656 00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:35.480 into it too far, but I would urge people to study it. Well. 657 00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:38.039 Unfortunately it has become part of sports talk. Richard. Yeah, really, 658 00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:45.000 that's really unfortunate that. I mean, we're economy, we're a self 659 00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:52.440 self employment economy, and Tucson's damn packful of contractors who do and many of 660 00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:57.440 them subcontract and have done very well at it. And that's you know, 661 00:48:57.800 --> 00:49:00.559 uh, that is the American we are now, and I don't think that 662 00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:04.119 should be changed or attacked, right right, Right, Richard talks a bunch 663 00:49:04.119 --> 00:49:07.800 of good good background. They appreciate it now he may he makes a lot 664 00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:10.199 of good points and and you know the business. And then you think about 665 00:49:10.199 --> 00:49:15.119 you're eighteen years old and you're entering into this. You know, how do 666 00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:17.400 you do that? And how do you do it in a way that you're 667 00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:22.840 not vulnerable to stuff? Right? We hear about you know Shohio Tani, 668 00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:28.519 right, tens of millions of dollars taken you know, by by you know, 669 00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:34.559 a trusted advisor, a trusted person in his in his uh uh, 670 00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:38.199 in his circle. Yeah, you know, you're eighteen years old. Somebody's 671 00:49:38.199 --> 00:49:44.960 paying you three hundred thousand dollars to play football at Arizona. Maybe your parents 672 00:49:45.039 --> 00:49:49.239 don't know how to handle some of that stuff. How do you you know 673 00:49:49.239 --> 00:49:52.719 what there's some pitfalls there that are going to be a real problem for some 674 00:49:52.760 --> 00:49:55.039 of these guys. Yeah, it just has added. I mean, like 675 00:49:55.119 --> 00:49:59.559 you said, a new dynamic every every day, every year that we keep 676 00:49:59.599 --> 00:50:02.400 going on with it, there's gonna be more dynamics that go into it. 677 00:50:02.440 --> 00:50:07.119 And there's gonna be there's gonna have to be a time where the n C 678 00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:10.800 double A comes to a point where they can organize this in a in a 679 00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:17.239 better, better manner for for both the people giving the money and and the 680 00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:22.280 athletes as well. It's yeah and see, and that's it. That's the 681 00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:25.760 thing. And again you go back to you know what what what some callers 682 00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:30.119 have said, what Steve has said, what John Wilner said, The n 683 00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:31.840 C double A couldn't have messed this up anymore than they did. And this 684 00:50:31.960 --> 00:50:37.000 is why we are where we are. I mean, even the NFL has 685 00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:42.719 you know, salary caps and has uh you know, free agency period and 686 00:50:42.800 --> 00:50:49.760 stuff like that, it's just completely wide open for thousands more athletes and for 687 00:50:50.679 --> 00:50:57.000 people athletes who don't really know this business. Yeah, they don't. And 688 00:50:57.159 --> 00:51:00.199 as we talked about earlier in the show, at one point, at some 689 00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:06.239 point, I think the only solution may be to make this yeah an NFL 690 00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:08.280 model, right yeah, yeah, And that's where we're headed. Yeah, 691 00:51:08.320 --> 00:51:10.920 you know, that's where we're headed. If you know, if the athletes 692 00:51:10.960 --> 00:51:15.880 do ultimately get made become employees, and then like I said, then you 693 00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:21.079 go, okay, how are you going to pay the quarterback two million dollars 694 00:51:21.159 --> 00:51:24.159 a year? And the center you're gonna pay him fifty thousand, one hundred 695 00:51:24.159 --> 00:51:29.159 thousand, whatever. How's that going to work? Or can that work? 696 00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:31.320 That's why there's a lot of there's a lot of college athletes who don't want 697 00:51:31.599 --> 00:51:36.119 to be employees. They want, as Richard, they want to become they 698 00:51:36.119 --> 00:51:38.880 want to remain independent contractors so they can negotiate their own deals. And we've 699 00:51:38.920 --> 00:51:44.679 seen them already have agents for themselves. And at eighteen years old, you 700 00:51:44.760 --> 00:51:47.639 have an agent. It's sixteen years old. These kids are getting agents so 701 00:51:47.679 --> 00:51:52.639 they can negotiate their deals and go to college, to go to It's it's 702 00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:55.719 crazy, you know, do you have Barnes on the show said yesterday said, 703 00:51:57.199 --> 00:51:59.239 you know, when she was talking about the fact that you know, 704 00:51:59.239 --> 00:52:01.199 I asked her, when does the nil come up in the conversation? He 705 00:52:01.239 --> 00:52:05.159 said immediately, and it's you know, it's it's item one, two, 706 00:52:05.239 --> 00:52:08.440 three, four, five and six. And it's the parents, you know, 707 00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:10.800 And what they want to know is how much money do you have? 708 00:52:10.920 --> 00:52:14.119 Not how much am I going to get? But how much do you have? 709 00:52:14.440 --> 00:52:15.559 So they kind of get a sense of how much they think they can 710 00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:20.519 get. It's crazy. The trickle down goes all the way down to high 711 00:52:20.519 --> 00:52:24.559 school coaches, who now at the theat levels they're gonna have to be dealing 712 00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:29.159 with, right, professional, Right, they're gonna have to deal with parents 713 00:52:29.199 --> 00:52:32.320 who want their kids to have the best financial opportunity coming out of high school. 714 00:52:32.400 --> 00:52:35.760 It's crazy. All right, Hey, we're done with the show. 715 00:52:35.800 --> 00:52:38.400 Thank you for being here. Steve will be back tomorrow. We'll get after 716 00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:43.480 it some more tomorrow. So thanks for being here, and we'll we'll get 717 00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:44.960 back on it. So thanks for being here.