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Black in Technology, back in technology, in technology, Black in technology,

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in technology, in technology, Hey, bit community, Welcome to the bit

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tech Talk podcast. On this episode, Greg speaks with cybersecurity expert Malik Grandin.

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They'll discuss Malik's journey from the customer
service rep in the retail space to

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a tech working in a network operation
center before ultimately becoming a cybersecurity expert and

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teacher. Malik has also obtained a
bachelor's degree in Business Administration with a specialization

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and Information Technology Management from Western Governors
University, along with many additional certifications and

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now. The hosts of the bit
tech Talk podcasts are founder of Black Technology,

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Greg Greatly. Hey Malik, welcome
to the podcast. Hey, nice

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to meet you. Greg. Tell
us a little bit about yourself. Yeah,

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your education, your background, Yeah
for sure. So my name is

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Milick Drowndin. You know, young
male, early twenties, and yeah,

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I'm just really to conquer the world, you know, came into the world

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with Yeah, I came into the
florld with nothing, you know, just

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the name pretty much at birth that
was it. So I just had to

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build from zero to now. And
so that's pretty much who I am.

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I love studying, love learning and
just love self improvement. Now, my

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educational background, I did graduate high
school back in twenty seventeen and recently graduated

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college from Western Governors University in twenty
twenty three. But Bachelor's of Science,

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Business Administration, Information Technology, and
Management degree. So that's pretty much me

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in a nutshell. And yeah,
my education and my personality thus far very

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cool, very cool, And congrats
on graduating, big, big accomplishment.

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It's appreciate it. Man. Tell
us, how did how did you first

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become interested in tech and then even
more specifically cybersecurity. Yeah, good question.

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I mean even when I was younger, I didn't really find computers too

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fascinating. I mean, I played
view games. I was pretty much it.

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But my interest in tech really sparked
during the Colonial pipeline incident that took

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place. I believe, guy has
been a while May twenty twenty one,

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been a long time. When I
was cashing out Walgreens, that incident solely

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really opened my eyes like, wow, you could do this with technology.

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This is unbelievable. This is really
unbelievable. And that event led to the

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you know, me immersing in cybersecurity, the people who defend organizations and clients

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against attacts like that. So that's
what really really got me into cybersecurity and

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I in general. That one attack. Wow. So so nothing previous to

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that besides video games or no mentor
alone way to say hey, you know,

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get it to it was just that
that one moment. Huh, that

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one moment. Trust me, Like
before prior to now, I didn't really

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take life serious. I'm gonna be
honest. I just played games all day,

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went to school. That was it. Repick. I wasn't a loop,

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to be honest. But it wasn't
for that attack, which really sparked

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me on my grind to really focus
on my career in against cybersecurity and then

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make myself a better individual. I'll
probably be doing the same thing, you

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know. So yeah, thank you
hackers. I don't know, but tell

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me, tell me what was it
about that particular incident, Like what what

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triggered you emotionally or motivated you to
you know, say hey, like I

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want to I want to do this. Yeah. So, as a cashier,

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you know, I'm always greeting,
I'm always talking to my customers.

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I've been there for four years.
I was very, very talkative, and

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then just one one day, everyone
just started panicking and freaking out. Oh

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my god, and the league.
You saw what happened. What happened?

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Gas Press is going up. I
can't afford what we got. Happ East

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Florida had what everyone was talking about
it. I'm like, Yo, what's

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going on? I told my shift
lead on duty at that moment, I'm

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like, Yo, do you know
what this is? Like what? Yeah,

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dude, it's a cybersecurity tap.
I'm like, yeah, well what

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is it? Well, hackers do
this stuff and all that stuff. That's

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why I'm going to school to study
and become a cybersecurity expert. I'm like,

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wow, okay, I want to
study too. I didn't have money

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till four callers. He's like,
look into your comp to a trifecta all

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right? And then from there the
rabbit Hole begin went on YouTube and just

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started binge watching big names in the
field. So that's really how I started.

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Yeah, that's pretty that's pretty extraordinary
actually, you know, because and

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this is you know, normally people
within other cultures, I should say,

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Uh, they have that person they
can look up to, they have that

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mentor or that teacher. Uh,
they have that early exposure to technology that

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kind of sets them on their way. But what I like about your story

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is that it's going to resonate with
people because not everyone has that early exposure,

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Not everyone has that mentor not everyone
you know has that type of background

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early exposure and that background of technology. And you're a testament that you can

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get started later in life if you
want to. It's all about how much

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dedication you want to put into it, and it really only takes one moment,

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right like, Hey, I'm decided
I want to do this, I'm

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going to pursue it. I'm going
to be motivated, I'm going to be

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a self starter, and I'm going
to go at it. And that's what

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I really like about your story is
that you did it and you're living testament

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as to, you know, what
you can do when you put your mind

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to, you know, getting into
this field and studying. And you know,

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you kind of touched on working at
customer service so early in your career.

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It sounds like you worked at a
couple of different customers service jobs.

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What skills were you able to kind
of bring go over into your tech career

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from those jobs. Yeah, so
I worked at Walgreens for four years as

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a customer service associate. And then
my second customer service job was at Health

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Trust as a customer service associate as
well. So those skills are I should

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say those jobs. I learned many
skills starting off with Walgreens. Just communication.

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Again, I mentioned having that that
that nerdy gamer background. I didn't

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really go outside. I was allergic
to the sun. I'm like, you

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know what I'm saying this cave,
I'm not I'm not going to meet humans

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and stuff like. I rather type
via discord and stuff like. But no,

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when I became a cashier, I
had to meet the people face to

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face. I had to see people
in real life. So it taught me

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communication skills. It also taught me
sympathy because I'll have customers come in,

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you know, they'll try to afford
some food for the children, and I

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don't got it. You know,
I'm one dollar off. Can you let

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me slide? Can can you give
me a discount? I had about you

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know, at first, I'm like, I don't know I should to do

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this, but evention like, you
know what you know, don't They'll tell

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Walgreens that, But no, no, you don't. Communication and stuff like

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that, and just really learning the
main thing other than communication really understanding people's

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culture. I'm at many kinds many
people from China, Africa, all over

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the world, and they'll tell me
stories. Hey, back in my home

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country, we did this. What
wait, you guys don't use spoons or

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for no, we use chopstick.
Oh my god. I learned a lot,

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you know. So that was Walgreens
up front help Trust really taught me

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about the work from home culture.
It was work from home position. That

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was my next position after Walgreen,
So I really learn about work from home.

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It was a different era. I
didn't have to live for Uber to

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work anymore, and just really getting
that work from home stepp learning how to

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communicate via WebEx teams and stuff like
that. In that face of it,

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it was a different change. It
was a different change. But I learned

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more about how to pick up digital
cues. Okay, if somebody's using an

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emoji, because when you talked during
text, that's lean communication compared to rich

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communication face to faith. So how
can I become show sarcasm or can I

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show jests or over text emojis?
All right? Certain phrase quotation or forward

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slash s and so I had to
really learn the lingo when it comes to

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communication via text and stuff like that. Yeah, those skills, how it

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translates to cyber Now I become like
an evangelist. I love right now,

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hopefully we'll talk about teach students on
the side, talk to many people about

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cybersecurity. Text I write, I'm
in miltiple, discord chats, writing articles,

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building courses. All that comes from
my prior skills and customer service really

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learning how to communicate people think communications
just voice. Not only that, it's

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texts as well too. But yeah, that's pretty much my my my,

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how those two experience tell me out
in my field. So well, it

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sounds like, you know, your
first set job was was in a knock

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And for those who don't know,
I'll let you kind of explain what knock

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is and then tell us about,
you know, kind of how did you

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land that job and what did you
do to prepare yourself for that position.

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Yeah, so a knock Yeah this
let me know if I cut out again.

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But yeah, knock is it stands
for a network operations center pretty much

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a place where professionals are there to
monitor the network, either for the internal

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company or for external companies clients.
So pretty much what I did from day

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to day basis. We had a
ticketing system where we check clients to make

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sure their network is up or down. If they're down, we will troubleshoot.

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We had like a troubleshooting guide.
Did all that stuff, so basic

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knock stuff, making sure the network's
up and running what I did to lend

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that job. But surprisingly I got
my Netplus literally two months prior, I

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believe in April twenty twenty three.
Ga'm on net Plus. I study a

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lot for the CCNA, never tested
out, but study stuff like Jeremy I

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lab, Neil Anderson, CCNA boot
Camp, watch a lot of network trucks.

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So I really got my network game
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me entering cybersecurity, so I got
my network game up. May launched a

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well, that was after I got
the knocked out. But did a lot

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of projects, you know, building
knock templates and guides and knock courses and

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stuff like that, and it really
sold me on that job. It really

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got me the job. Even though
the hire manager I still remember remember his

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name to this day. Shout out
to him, Patrick Blackburn. He said,

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Yo, when I heard you in
that interview, your passionate drive I

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was sold. I was presented with
the offer letter literally an hour after.

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So that's what led me to my
first knock job. That's dope. I

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would say this like that sounds similar
to kind of like how I got my

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first I would say, real,
I t job. I did help desk

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for a number of years before I
actually landed in a network technician job,

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right, and similar to you got
my network plus I eventually got my CCNA,

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but I was just kind of just
studying uh Cisco, the CCNA material.

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And so my first job, you
know, my interviewer caught on to

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our last Joe, to the fact
that I sounded very passionate and just motivated

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to uh to get in the air
and and and really learn and grow and

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one of the biggest things. And
I tell people this all the time,

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but I don't know how relevant it
is now. This was years ago.

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Just having a lab and working in
your lab. I had actual, like

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physical equipment, so I had like
you know, Cisco router, Cisco switches

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all hooked up and things like that. I did have a simulator that I

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use back then, but I had
a lot of just regularly physical equipment.

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Nowadays, you don't need physical equipment. They have simulators that are pretty pretty

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good. But I use that to
teach myself and learn, And it sounds

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like you kind of had that that
similar path. We move on to you

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being a security security analyst at Ring
Central. Tell us about you know,

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your time at Ring Central. Where
were your some of your responsibilities there?

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Yeah, so yeah, Ring Central. It was my first security analysts internship.

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My main responsibility under the team of
Alex Locke that was a security manager

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at that time was to again monitor
the network, look into our ticketing system,

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which I believe was I forgot the
name, I think was Fresh Service

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something like that. Look into our
ticketing system, make sure we have alerts

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and we're making action steps on our
alert We looked through spunks for any anomalies,

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any weird you know, type of
you know, questionable things, and

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mainly what Alice had us do.
We'll go through the splunk logs not not

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spunk loogs, sorry, We'll go
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to build a story around it.
All right, this was flag, but

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why was it flag? What was
the end user trying to reach? Why

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was he trying to reach it?
Build stories about it? Can you parallel

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it with real life scenarios in the
world. So he really taught me how

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to really think critically and anegally instead
of just clicking and pointing as most socks

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do. Oh that's an alert,
Okay. No, he really taught me

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to dig deeper. So that internship
was not only did I did that.

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I was in a group called BEAR, which stands for Black Employees at a

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Ring Central. So I was very
lively in that group chat. So we

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did a lot of community type stuff, you know, I worked on Oh,

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and then we worked on a lot
of stuff great memories over there.

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We worked on a I did like
a Black Lives Matter? Was it Black

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Lives No? No? No?
It was a Black History Month live stream

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four Ring Central employees. It was
over one hundred viewers. And this is

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when the interest get finished. This
is twenty twenty three, the internet is

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finished and I was still being uh, I still had access to do that

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that that stream and stuff last.
So yeah, Ring Central was great.

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Love my experience there. Shout out
to everybody there, and yeah, I

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really played a pivotal role in my
cybersecurity career. Wow. And what's striking

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to me is that it sounds like
you did all this in a relatively short

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period of time. Uh you know
when you're talking, you know, a

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few months ago, right, yeah, yeah, a few months ago?

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Really, yeah, ten months.
I think I've got my first knock job.

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Actually I do know when I got
my first knocked out. It was

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June six, twenty twenty two,
when I got my first knock job,

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So literally like thirteen months ago,
right right, very cool. So what

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are some some other cool projects and
things that you know, just what were

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you able to kind of glean from
working at Ring Central? Yeah, first

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thing is a huge company. We
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or we have an app called ring
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kind of like a slack. There's
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game channel, tech channel, security
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gleaned from, especially from the security
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When it came to cybersecurity, there
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You know, they were dealing with
burnout, and it was such a touchy

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topic that when I will talk about
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taken to the side, you know, like in the DM because it was

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remote. Hey, you know,
Molie, you shouldn't talk about that.

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We just had somebody leave today because
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so touchy, you know, we
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chat like that. And that's the
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with cybersecurity professional. He has a
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the professions that are burnt out?
What about the one man's thock guys?

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them? No one thinks about them, and then when they leave they get

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stressed out. I'm like, oh
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to John? He just left?
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when he came to the security I'll
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was fairly small for a big company. It was only four US employees,

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which I thought was interesting at the
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the two one manager and a senior. I'm like, hey, this is

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kind of strange for us. So
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move on to a company called black
Hawk Data and you were a sock analyst

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sc analysts. Tell us first like
what's SoC stand for? And then tell

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us about you know, the monitoring
and computer networks there. You know,

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it sounds like you monitor computer networks
for security issues, and like tell us

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about some of the tools that you
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so yeah, that I joined that
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same time, SOCK stands for security
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all we're in a big room with
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now you just have you're just in
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just have a dashboard. But the
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was interesting, I was playing with
a lot of tools. So tools.

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I was playing with dark trace,
which is underrated AI cyberscreet tool, which

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could detect again anomalies and strange patterns. Like I'll give you an example.

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they worked to log in at a
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say at nine am Eastern time.
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or even a strange location. Dark
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account and flag them, and it'll
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wow, this tool is crazy.
So I had a chance to play

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with dark Trace obviously play with the
you know, cross strike. Falcon played

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around with that looking for we could
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tools. Other tools we use,
Man, oh oh, how can I

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forget this tool? We had a
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tool. It's kind of like putty
on crack, So you basically have access

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to multiple rminal sessions in this live
real time dooey and terminal, you know,

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so I'm able to connect with multiple
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Very interesting tool. So we had
a Royal Obviously we lose last pass.

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For password management, we had a
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to du well. So let's say
employees needed to enroll in two fatter authentication.

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I want enrolled them. Hey,
what phone do you want to be?

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Okay, your iPhone six got you
all right? Don't forget to click,

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don't forget, do not get hit
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So if you're getting pounded with alerts
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do not click it. So we
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company. I was kind of wearing
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sock. I guess the last tool, I'll bring out Silver Sky, which

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is a third party sock. So
I had a sock because I was the

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only sock analyst at that company,
the only one, the first and only

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one. So we had an external
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they will helped us out with a
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Shout out to David. I don't
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but I was still close with h
Yeah, David the service guy account manager,

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and yeah, we were just going
bouncing off ideas, investigating the worts

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together. Very interesting company. You
know, I had my fair chance to

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you know, deal with multiple clients
from the finance sectors. We had a

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client I worked in a hospital sector, and we had a client from UH.

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It was like a college client,
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well two of them were based in
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with a lot of tools and really
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cybersecurity. It sounds like like I'm
listening to you now, and it sounds

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like you've been in cybersecurity forever.
And I and I say that because I

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know, look I would, I've
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I actually started out hanging out with
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of guys who were in information security. And I still know to this day.

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We used to go to all these
different you know, tech conferences is

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information security conferences like freak Neck down
in Tennessee. We used to go to

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UH. There was one called not
a Coon up in Cleveland. I don't

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know if that's still going on.
It was one called Derby Khan here and

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U down in Louisville, Kentucky.
We used to go to UH, quite

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a few of them all around the
country. And you sound like you've you've

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been in it. So I know
the lingo. I guess that's what I'm

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trying to say. I know the
lingo. I've been around the block.

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UH. So you sound very very
U into it and you sound like a

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veteran, So you must be you
must be doing something right. Man.

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Bit is always focused on forming new
partnerships and opportunities to assist the community and

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our members with their continued professional growth
and development. If you'd like to partner

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with us an email in queries at
blacks and Technology dot net. So tell

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me a little bit about like kind
of like where was your method for investigating

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security breaches while you were at black
part NATO. Yeah, great methods.

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So I'll talk about scenario that is
funny and I still talk about today.

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So we had this. So the
method we have zendesk. That was our

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ticketing system. If an employee,
you know, we go so we might

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get alerts from silver Sky. There
are third party saw that would investigate the

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alert. So okay, let me
start from over because it's really complicated dark

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rays. Going back to dark trace, dark trace was installed on everybody's It

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was monitoring everybody's computer. This is
for one employee our company. If something,

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if an anomaly happens or something crazy
happens, dark traces would trigger an

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alert that goes into silver Sky platform. Silver Sky would then investigate the alert,

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imize an incident, and then send
us email be a ticket to our

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zenas platform. If that makes sense. So then when I get it,

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there's already a summary for the alert. I already kind of know what to

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do, but I'm there to investigate
it and provide remediations. So my trouble

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shooting mythology, and I'll bring it
up with this scenario. We had this

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one client, this is for the
financial sector. A client. He was

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on the corporate network on his personal
phone like okay, whatever, cool.

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The guy went on a site called
Ashley Madison. Keep him on. He's

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married with kids, so he went
on that site. Obviously it flagged dark

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Trades flagged it as a strange site. So when I got the ticket from

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Silver Skuye to Zendes, I looked
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me see what the site was.
The RL pointed to Ashley Madison went on

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the homepage, obviously through a DM
or a false browser. When I have

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an affair, I'm like, WHOA, what's going on here? Potentially that

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could lead to now where we don't
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to a woman we don't know.
So what I did I crafted email very

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nicely to the supervisor. Hey,
this dude and it's a ploy. He's

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on the corporate network on Ashley Madison. You might if you get him off

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or something, what's going on?
They ended up contacting him mask email across

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the whole company. Crazy. I
was even tagged in it, and they're

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like, yeah, John, can
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It's going to guest network if you
want to watch it. Oh,

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what are you talking about? I
wasn't watching anything. He was acting kind

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of dumb, and he ended up
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So that was kind of mythic mythology. I would get the ticket,

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I would investigate it, and the
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or for the individual being tagged in
alert. I would either mensage the client

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or mensage their supervisor and we could
get down. So that was one type

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of ticket. Another type of ticket, as I mentioned, when it comes

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to strange logins. So I just
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let's say we have a client based
in Zurich. Dark Trace flagged them for

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logging in into Nevada, Las Vegas, Nevada. I'm like, okay,

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hold on. There could be two
reasons this could be happening. Either his

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account was hijack and the hackers actually
logging in from a Nevada IP or he's

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traveling, I will email the client, Hey, justin are you what's going

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on? You've been flat for this? Are you traveling? Yeah, I'm

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in Black Hat twenty twenty two.
Bro, is there issue? Okay?

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No, I was just wondering.
Sorry, so you haven't. Yeah.

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So there's many things you'll see in
the sock and stuff like that. And

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I really enjoy every day waking up
and just saying, oh, that's happening,

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this is happening, let's investigate.
So yeah, nice, nice.

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And so you go from you know, black data to security Blue Team as

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a junior defensive content engineer tell us
and I think a correlation one is a

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teaching assistant in cybersecurity. So we're
gonna start off with the defensive content engineer.

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What is that exactly? So content
engineer this is a relatively new role

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within cybersecurity that it's quite booming.
You see a lot of companies like try

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Hacked, me, Hack the box, the building out these job roles.

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So content engineer, we can look
at the word engineer content. You're building

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content. You're building glaves, you're
building platforms, you're building scenarios, you're

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building training material for students to consume
and learn so pretty much a content engineer.

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When it comes to cybersecurity, you're
letting starctor. We all use try

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hacking and hack the box. How
do these guys develop their labs? How

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do they develop the boxes? That's
us, That's that's me. So I'm

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the one developing these challenges for students
to get their cybersecurity skills up and practice,

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not in real life, but through
a game of live version, so

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no one's getting hurts. Do a
SAFTM. You don't even have to use

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your own machine. That's a content
engineer, and again it's one of my

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favorite roles. I love it.
Like we could talk about Security Blue Team.

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They're UK based company. What's funny
about Security Blue Team. I actually

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got their certification back in August twenty
twenty two, called the BTL one.

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So the BTO one really helps skyrocket
in my career in cybersecurity because it taught

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me those hands on tools to surviving
those roles at black Hawk and Ring Central.

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So it's ironic that I pass our
certification and I'm working for them and

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building out new certifications that will be
coming out soon. So yeah, not

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only do we develop blacks, we
develop blogs. We're actually working on a

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podcast right now, We're gonna do
podcasts and stuff like that, building out

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materials, training, all that stuff. It's very we do discords more so

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if students have inquiries, I'm on
discord. I helped them out. Hey

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it's BT one right for me?
Or I have an issue with this lack

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question. I don't think that's the
right answer. It says UTP, but

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I think it's TCP. Don't worry, we'll fix that. So that's content

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engineer. But even Greg, even
prior to this, you brought up correlation

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one. I'm a Black Girls Hack. That was my really first employment after

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the saw the Black Hawk thing.
I was a teaching instructor. Actually,

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I believe it or not. I
just came from a teaching lesson just now

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when my students I had telling,
Hey, I gotta cut a short.

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I got a podcast, right you
know? So yeah, I've been doing

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that now, Yeah, yeah,
I've been doing that for the past what

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is it four months? So shout
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Actually, before I even get to
Black Pack, how do you even get

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to knowing a black black litles tack? It all started with Michelle Scults.

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Shout out to her. I signed
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So, so Michelle Schultz is,
uh, she works for our Blacks

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and Technology Foundation M. Yeah,
so so Converge Mentorship is actually our mentorship

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program that we have in partnership with
Microsoft. M. Yeah. That's a

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small world, man. So so
it sounds it sounds like you have benefited

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from which is cool because I had
no idea. But it sounds like you've

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benefited from one of the programs that
that we put together, uh, in

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helping you in your in your career. So that's that's dope, man.

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Okay, I think Kim in clutch
like I was seeking mentorship. I was,

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I was any help sign up for
the fill out the form. Yeah,

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also contacted me, Hey, you
made it to the fin around.

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I'm gonna pay you over with the
cyberscrey specialist. It turns out the first

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one was Tenishan Martin, the CEO
Black Girls Hat and when the first time,

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yeah, that first time I interview
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Throughout the call, she's like,
stop, you know what, I

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want you to work for me as
a teaching instructor. You're amazing, you

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can speak, you have projects,
portfolio, home laps, I want you

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and ever since then, I've been
closely related to them. Now we're doing

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big things, you know. Speaking
of conferences, I'm gonna be flying out

409
00:27:22.839 --> 00:27:26.640
to squad Con a little bit two
weeks. I'm gonna be teaching. I

410
00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:30.160
gonna hold I have my own,
you know show for squad Con. We're

411
00:27:30.160 --> 00:27:33.000
gonna be teaching about content engineer.
Just putting out going to black Hat as

412
00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:36.880
well. You know, so ta
out to Tanisha market and Black girls Hat

413
00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:38.079
really putting me on the map on
that. So I want to give them

414
00:27:38.079 --> 00:27:41.759
proper places. But yeah, they
started off with that and then yeah,

415
00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:45.200
Correlation Won Correlation One, which is
another teaching company I teach for. Oh

416
00:27:45.240 --> 00:27:48.240
my gosh, I gotta tell you
about this one. So we have over

417
00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:52.720
five hundred students. They're all Amazon
warehouse workers at the company, all Amazon

418
00:27:52.759 --> 00:27:56.680
warehouses. We're trying to get into
cyber Street. Now Amazon has a partnership

419
00:27:56.720 --> 00:28:00.839
with Correlation Won. So this is
where the cyberstreety career programs into play.

420
00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:03.759
They pay for all the students fellows
we call them, and they don't have

421
00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:07.039
to pay. It's a five thousand
dollars program. They have to pay zero.

422
00:28:07.160 --> 00:28:11.759
It all comes free. Now I'm
tasked with helping them learn cyber security.

423
00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:14.680
I just had a call with a
student. She's from China, and

424
00:28:14.720 --> 00:28:17.400
she was like, yo, I
don't I don't understand Linux, so I

425
00:28:17.480 --> 00:28:19.880
have to help. I'm teaching students
from different backgrounds. You know, Hey,

426
00:28:19.880 --> 00:28:25.799
what's Alignus. That's Linus, you
know, so I gotta I got

427
00:28:25.880 --> 00:28:27.400
a teach show, you know,
doing a Sigmons, being a Sigmons.

428
00:28:27.400 --> 00:28:30.799
Oh my god, I gotta fear. Can you help? So that's that

429
00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:33.680
doing that do that like six hours
a week. It's amazing, which led

430
00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:37.640
me to Security Blue Team, the
UK company. How did I get that

431
00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:40.319
position? It was a global position. I had to compete for it.

432
00:28:40.519 --> 00:28:42.519
You know, I already had a
portfolio, a building content, teaching students

433
00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:45.519
and I had the bto one So
it was a no brainer that, Hey,

434
00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:48.839
I'm a great credit it for this
role. And going back to the

435
00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:52.400
question about content engineering, it really
links up to all my previous professions,

436
00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:56.960
you know, being in a sock
and was teaching. Now now content engineering,

437
00:28:56.960 --> 00:29:00.720
I'm developing learning materials for students with
that educational background. So content engineers

438
00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:03.200
a way to go, and that's
in the cybersecurity career. Hands down,

439
00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:14.480
very cool, very cool. What's
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440
00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:18.960
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441
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442
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443
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444
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445
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446
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447
00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:56.359
to hear from you, man.
I tell you why. I can tell

448
00:29:56.480 --> 00:30:02.079
right now that this is gonna be
like highly viewed episode. Like your your

449
00:30:02.240 --> 00:30:06.720
energy, like you're inspiring. Uh. And I think when people hear this,

450
00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:11.519
especially people looking to get into cybersecurity, they're they're going to be inspired.

451
00:30:12.839 --> 00:30:15.599
The way that you talk about it, you can hear the passion,

452
00:30:17.319 --> 00:30:21.799
you can hear the motivation and your
voice, and it's something that it's refreshing

453
00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:27.279
and considering that you've only really been
at this for what a little bit over

454
00:30:27.359 --> 00:30:32.799
you like, that's extraordinary to me. Like you've accomplished so much already,

455
00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:36.119
I think there because there's a lot
of people out there that want to get

456
00:30:36.160 --> 00:30:41.839
into cybersecurity and they're taking their their
their first steps, right, and but

457
00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:45.519
to be as accomplished as you are
in such a short amount of time takes

458
00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:49.839
a level of dedication that I think
people can latch onto. Uh. So

459
00:30:49.880 --> 00:30:55.720
we'll we'll get into like your advice
for people here and a little bit so

460
00:30:55.720 --> 00:30:59.759
so that they can kind of hear
from you, you know, kind of

461
00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:02.880
the some of the things that you
would advise them to do to get at

462
00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:06.480
the level that you're at. Going
back to uh, you're being a teacher's

463
00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:11.680
assistant, what were some of the
like the common problems like that you assisted

464
00:31:11.799 --> 00:31:17.319
students with. Oh yeah, so
great. That's a great question. And

465
00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:21.319
I know, I know you mentioned
Linux, which that's another thing, Like

466
00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:27.039
I have people all the time that
that are hitting me up at through emails

467
00:31:27.079 --> 00:31:30.079
saying, hey, you know,
I want to get in cybersecurity. You

468
00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:33.359
know, where do I start?
You know, however, what do I

469
00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:34.720
need to learn? That type of
thing? And one of the things that

470
00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:40.680
I always mentioned is Linux, and
it's it's people struggle with Linux because they're

471
00:31:40.720 --> 00:31:45.039
so used to Windows, right,
They're so used to the point and click

472
00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:48.240
and and everything of that that you
know Linux. If you and this.

473
00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:52.000
I don't know how old school I'm
gonna sound when I say this, but

474
00:31:53.079 --> 00:31:57.200
when when I used to hang with
the hackers, you had to know Linux,

475
00:31:57.759 --> 00:32:01.599
right you. It is imperative that
you knew Linux. That's how I

476
00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:07.279
learned Linux from hanging out with these
guys because that's where everything the command line,

477
00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:10.200
all that stuff. So anytime someone
asked me, I'll say, hey,

478
00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:14.880
you need to learn Linux and not
the gooey. You need to learn

479
00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:17.960
the command line. So I know
you mentioned that. Tell us some other

480
00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:22.920
things that you kind of helped students
with this world, Yeah, and you

481
00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:27.640
mentioned hackers. I just want to
give a moment science for Kevin mcnick recently

482
00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:34.200
pass recently man legendary. So flowers
out to Kevin mcnick and his family legend

483
00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:38.799
for that one. But going to
questions or inquiries my students have or troubles

484
00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:43.680
they have, let's talk about hardware, guys. I have a Chromebook,

485
00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:46.319
I have a tablet. Can I
can I run a VM on my tablet?

486
00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:49.839
I mean, come on, guys, are you serious? Get a

487
00:32:49.880 --> 00:32:52.480
basic computer. You know, I
don't care if it's a desktop. I'm

488
00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:54.039
using a MAT twenty twenty. I've
been doing all this stuff of Mac.

489
00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:57.480
Well, I'm Mac. You have
the M one ship the arm. You

490
00:32:57.519 --> 00:33:00.440
can't run a half of ours?
You can. You can use Parallel,

491
00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:04.759
which is a popular hypervisor for Mac. So that's another way to spend up

492
00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:07.240
ms. If not, you can
do aws, spin up vms on their

493
00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:12.240
RDP into it. Bam. There's
no excuses. So a lot of students

494
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:15.319
will come to me with hardware issues. It's not really hardware and plus the

495
00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:20.319
science we're doing, we're doing them
do browser based labs. I mean,

496
00:33:20.359 --> 00:33:22.200
are you serious? So you don't
have to worry about space. You just

497
00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:27.359
need great internet connection and some good
RAM. So I have hardware issue connection

498
00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:30.240
time. This is another one.
And students. I'm telling I'm to the

499
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:34.880
point where my students are getting me
in time. I'm like, I'm running

500
00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:36.720
out of time. I don't have
time to study. What do you mean

501
00:33:36.759 --> 00:33:37.720
you don't have time to stud we
you have twenty four hours a day.

502
00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:40.160
You got eight hours to sleep,
eight hours to work. What do you

503
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:43.640
spend in your last eight hour?
Song? Well, I'm on threads.

504
00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:47.359
Are you're on threats? Are you
serious? Guys? You have time,

505
00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:52.359
You're just not utilizing your time efficiently. We all have times of study.

506
00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:54.400
Even if it's ten minutes at LINUX
a date, that will take you far

507
00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:59.880
than doing zero minutes. So times
another factor. Another one students might have

508
00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:04.279
is focus. Yes, we live
in the digital tized society. Shout out

509
00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:07.160
to Calt Newport. He has a
book called digital Minimalism, And this is

510
00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:08.880
the thing a lot of people face
with. Hey, I'm just too distract

511
00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:13.519
that's many things online. Yes,
I won about fiber screty. I'm protecting

512
00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:16.679
the network, but I'm also distracted
by what's on the network. Well that's

513
00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:20.920
where we're gonna talk about that later
on advice. We're gonna talk about discipline

514
00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:22.599
to keep you on focus. But
those are the main concerns. I really

515
00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:28.559
have another thing. I'm seeing a
lot some students are not mature. Yes,

516
00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:32.920
you maybe thirty forty chronologically, but
mentally you're you're fourteen. You know,

517
00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:37.159
I see I see Oh the cati
man, Oh cat ears, Oh

518
00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:40.199
my god, the cat. I
have a cat. Guys. Stop,

519
00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:44.280
Well, I mean, what are
we doing? We need to grow up,

520
00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:46.480
We need to take our career seriously, all right. So when it's

521
00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:52.159
when a teacher's teaching you something or
giving you instruct instance like parking to it.

522
00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:54.480
Yes we could joke and mean later
and stuff like that, but you

523
00:34:54.519 --> 00:34:59.480
need to hearken to what the instructors
teaching you. All right. And because

524
00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:01.000
I go on, I know what
this. When it comes to learning of

525
00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:05.800
materials, there's there's multiple ways to
learn. Students learn best through books.

526
00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:08.000
So students ask me, hey,
what are some great books for security plus

527
00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:10.559
or that's Oh you could get exam
cram, you could get that. Well,

528
00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:14.039
okay, I'm not a book guy, more of an auditorial learning.

529
00:35:14.119 --> 00:35:15.719
Oh, okay, no problem.
You can listen to this podcast, you

530
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:21.360
can listen to pre semester. Well
I'm blind. You got anything in brow?

531
00:35:21.559 --> 00:35:24.000
Oh my god. So there's many
things. There's many things. Students

532
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:29.119
can have excuse the students have excuses. But one thing I told my students

533
00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:32.719
there's no deficiency you cannot overcome.
If there is a way, there is

534
00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:37.400
a way, you need to utilize
it. Stop making excuses and you can't

535
00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:45.119
sece. So, yeah, do
you have a product or service that you

536
00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:49.760
would like to share with a bit
audience, or maybe you'd like to support

537
00:35:49.800 --> 00:35:53.239
the bit community and do your part
in helping us with stomping the divide.

538
00:35:53.960 --> 00:36:01.199
Start by sponsoring one of our podcasts. Please email us at contact us at

539
00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:10.480
blacks and Technology dot net. Bravo, Man, bravo. And you mentioned

540
00:36:10.519 --> 00:36:16.480
Cal Newport. There's a couple of
books that I have by Cal Newport and

541
00:36:16.679 --> 00:36:22.360
who's a great author and what he
writes about. There's one called Deep Work,

542
00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:28.280
and there's another one it's called so
Good They Can't Ignore You. Those

543
00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:32.639
are another two great books that will
teach you about deep work, about focusing,

544
00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:40.000
about how to really kind of focus
in today's digital society, like you

545
00:36:40.039 --> 00:36:44.440
know, just and like you said, all it takes is ten minutes,

546
00:36:44.679 --> 00:36:49.079
like you don't people feel and I
hear this a lot. They say,

547
00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:52.239
Hey, like you know, I
need to study three or four hours.

548
00:36:52.239 --> 00:36:53.639
No, you don't need to study
three or four hours in a day,

549
00:36:53.679 --> 00:37:00.440
like you're gonna burn out, Like
you're not You're not equipped really two do

550
00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:04.480
that type of learning, especially today, Like there's just too much going on.

551
00:37:04.920 --> 00:37:08.039
So you need to break that down
right, break it down in a

552
00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:12.440
half hour chunks, like if you
want to do an hour like let's just

553
00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:15.239
say two hours, break it down
a half hour chunks. Right. When

554
00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:22.639
you chunk things like that, you
retain more of the information. Study show

555
00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:25.239
like after a while, if you
go at it for like four hours,

556
00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:30.159
like after probably an hour or so, you lose focus, like you don't

557
00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:36.840
even really start to continue to retain
information. So so break it down into

558
00:37:36.920 --> 00:37:40.639
chunks so that you kind of retain
because there's there's you know, there's learning

559
00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:45.480
and information or reading about it,
and then you have in there's recall,

560
00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:51.400
right, and recall is the biggest
thing kind of it's space learning recall that

561
00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:54.480
type of thing. It's really what's
going to reinforce the material that you learn.

562
00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:59.159
And Kyle Newport talks about those things. He talks about deep focus,

563
00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:04.480
he talks about getting rid of distractions, uh, and he talks about one

564
00:38:04.519 --> 00:38:08.679
thing, which is being good at
your job doesn't require that you are passionate

565
00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:15.480
about it, because what he states
is is that there's a lot of examples

566
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:19.880
out there where people are saying,
oh, go after something you're passionate about,

567
00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:23.159
right, But what they don't have
is they don't have what they consider

568
00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:27.880
I can't remember the exact term,
but it's it's it's like a capital,

569
00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:34.519
Like they don't have the actual like
knowledge capital that it takes to actually pursue

570
00:38:34.840 --> 00:38:37.880
what they're passionate about. So,
for example, a person who like may

571
00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:42.679
take some yoga classes. Oh man, I really like yoga. I'm really

572
00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:45.599
passionate about about yoga. I think
I'm going to open up my own yoga

573
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:51.079
studio. Well, they don't have
that work capital to open it up,

574
00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:53.440
right, Like, just because you
take a course and it doesn't mean that

575
00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:59.400
you a have the network that be
you have the deep knowledge that it really

576
00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:05.039
takes to run a yoga studio.
Right. So he gives that example of

577
00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:07.760
somebody who actually done it and they
failed, and he says, people have

578
00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:13.079
it backwards. You can get into
a job and become so good at that

579
00:39:13.239 --> 00:39:16.159
job, but that becomes a passion, right, that becomes something that you're

580
00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:21.199
you're passionate about. Uh. So
he talks a lot a lot about that

581
00:39:21.239 --> 00:39:27.000
and not saying that you can't be
passionate and uh succeed in something that you're

582
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:30.239
passionate about. It's not saying that
at all. He's saying that he feels

583
00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:32.960
that people who just said go,
you know, pursue your passionate and you'll

584
00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:37.119
be that it's not true. But
he talks a lot about you know,

585
00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:40.440
focus, I mentioned that and things
like that. He's a really really good

586
00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:45.679
author. Uh, and kind of
surprised to hear you talk about that because

587
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:49.400
like I don't I don't even know
a few people who know about him as

588
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:53.360
an author. So that's pretty cool. If you were a professor of cybersecurity,

589
00:39:53.360 --> 00:39:57.960
we're going back to you. You're
being a teaching assistant. What would

590
00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:02.760
you and and and also taken consideration
kind of like your journey in cybersecurity,

591
00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:07.360
how you learn taking you know,
things that you felt were like dead ends

592
00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:12.800
or that's that's not the best way, or what would you do differently to

593
00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:16.199
teach cybersecurity to other students. Yeah, so if I was a professor,

594
00:40:16.360 --> 00:40:22.960
my lectures will go as obviously,
there will be more instructor base instructor leads.

595
00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:28.360
So there's a difference between having an
instructor live training course. In US,

596
00:40:28.760 --> 00:40:32.199
I believe they call it a self
self not self study, but self

597
00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:37.159
paced course. Self paced course will
be a student pursuing it on its own,

598
00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:39.880
but with self space, you can
actually instructor in live, real time,

599
00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:45.079
So I'll teach more live lectures and
that way, and with live lectures,

600
00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:49.440
what I'll do not only would I
teach story, I will teach practice.

601
00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:52.760
I will teach actual implementation. So
if I talk about cat, Linux,

602
00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:57.880
whatever, all these commands, I
will actually demonstrate it to the students

603
00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:00.840
live and it had them running at
the same time. Hey, Samantha,

604
00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:04.960
are you facing issues? Yeah?
I'm running my cat. I did it?

605
00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:07.400
Okay? Oh, Bob, can
you run the test command and create

606
00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:09.760
a file call high dot TXD.
Yeah, yeah, I just did it.

607
00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:13.800
Cool. I will verify with my
students. Hey, are you guys

608
00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:15.719
getting it? Getting it? Did
you do it? Great? Because when

609
00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:20.679
I see with most instructors don't teach
super fast. They don't check with their

610
00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:22.480
students that if they caught up,
and by the end of the lecture,

611
00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:25.679
you gots follow along. No,
I got lost twenty minutes. I got

612
00:41:25.719 --> 00:41:30.559
lost an hour ago. You know
I see that. So I'm like,

613
00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:31.880
you know what, I gotta change
the game. And when I do want

614
00:41:31.880 --> 00:41:35.639
to become a professor, I gotta
change the game. And another thing about

615
00:41:35.679 --> 00:41:39.159
that, when it comes to CYBERSECREATI
professors or instructors, that's not that many

616
00:41:39.239 --> 00:41:43.800
qualified to teach. You could go
and read it right now, and you

617
00:41:43.840 --> 00:41:45.320
could go and read it and they're
talking about it. Man, Man,

618
00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:50.360
my cyberscreen instructor, he's not teaching
me crap work. He's teaching me Window

619
00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:52.920
seven. I mean, we've been
past that. So a lot of these

620
00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:58.360
instructors that are That's why I'm a
huge advocate for SANDS because their instructors have

621
00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:00.159
to be in the refield. They
have a strict requirement to be in the

622
00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:02.440
film. I'm actually going through a
SAMs course right now, the GUS,

623
00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:06.639
the guy at g Fact, and
I got two other certifications I'm going through

624
00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:08.039
all paid for a shout out to
Black Girls side because I want a SAM

625
00:42:08.079 --> 00:42:12.559
scholarship. I'm going through their course
and I'm saying, Okay, that's truly

626
00:42:12.559 --> 00:42:15.599
how an instructor supposed to be.
Like they teach auditorial lessons. They have

627
00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:17.880
written a lectures as well, they
have a book to go along with it,

628
00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:22.480
and they have virtual labs all four. So I want I want students

629
00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:25.039
to have all of that combination.
I want them to have access to always

630
00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:29.440
a learning Yes, that's gonna be
hard on the instructor, but it's gonna

631
00:42:29.480 --> 00:42:30.280
be best for the student at the
end. Of the day, so that

632
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:34.199
that's how I'll teach a class,
you know, make it more interactive.

633
00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:36.239
Hey, guys, did you get
it? If you guys have questions to

634
00:42:36.280 --> 00:42:37.760
create, please put it in the
Slack channel, please put it in the

635
00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:42.280
discord and I'll get to it.
And I ask that question because you know,

636
00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:47.920
I run across. Let's just take
coding for example, I run across

637
00:42:49.159 --> 00:42:54.320
you know videos of people who they'll
create a video that says, you know,

638
00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:59.559
this is how I would have,
you know, taught coding. You

639
00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:00.880
know, if I if I could
go back in time, this is kind

640
00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:04.400
of how you know, I would
have learned or how I would have taught

641
00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:12.280
someone because some of the teaching mechanisms
nowadays are just not adequate, especially when

642
00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:16.280
it comes to digital society and as
far as like our attention span, right

643
00:43:16.920 --> 00:43:22.360
uh and and people, I would
say, they teach a lot of theory

644
00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:27.719
on things, and they don't give
people real world scenarios on how it's to

645
00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:31.360
be applied, and they lose people
in that. Right theory is is I

646
00:43:31.400 --> 00:43:35.079
mean, it's good to know the
theory side. I'm not saying anything about

647
00:43:35.119 --> 00:43:37.840
that, but it's it's it's kind
of ethereal right, Like it's you don't

648
00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:42.480
you can't grasp it, you can't
can't see it, right, it's just

649
00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:45.480
out there. You kind of have
to have like, you know, more

650
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:51.239
context behind it in order for it
to really make sense. Uh. And

651
00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:54.320
I found that that with like networking
for instance, right, like when it

652
00:43:54.360 --> 00:44:00.159
comes to teaching somebody about IP addressing, imports, things like that, like

653
00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:05.320
people hear these things, it's like
you can't see ports, right, like

654
00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:10.000
you you can't see And so I
remember a scenario where I was teaching a

655
00:44:10.039 --> 00:44:15.760
group of of young ladies who are
coming out of this uh this course,

656
00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:22.079
this intro to UH technology course about
networking and IP and things like that.

657
00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:25.599
So in order for them to kind
of visualize, like what an IP address

658
00:44:27.239 --> 00:44:30.800
is, what a port is,
uh, you know, the OSI layer

659
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:35.840
Like I fired up wire shark right, packets through it, right and and

660
00:44:35.840 --> 00:44:40.440
and show them on the screen what
this traffic looks like. Right, and

661
00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:44.760
hell, here here's layer three right
here, so you can see the IP

662
00:44:44.840 --> 00:44:49.760
address. Here's layer four. This
is the actual UH TCP right that all

663
00:44:49.840 --> 00:44:52.599
that stuff like broke it down for
him. Here's the MAC address and layer

664
00:44:52.639 --> 00:44:57.920
two so they could see this and
put it together uh, and instead of

665
00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:02.920
just listening to theory about what it
is, right, sometimes people are visual

666
00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:07.880
and that doesn't make sense. So
I see that and I hear what you're

667
00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:10.039
saying, and I'm like, right
on, because that's that's exactly what the

668
00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:14.320
type of teaching I think people need. Let's let's talk a little bit about

669
00:45:14.320 --> 00:45:17.480
Black Girls Hack. We we heard
how you got involved with Black Ross had,

670
00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:21.920
but talk a little bit about like
what your curriculum is like, Yeah,

671
00:45:21.960 --> 00:45:24.960
a Black Girl's Hack. I teach
two classes, uh weekly, one

672
00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:29.199
hour and hour and a half each. I teach network basics, So I

673
00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:34.199
teach students the importance of networking,
the tcps, the UDP support on all

674
00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:37.159
that stuff. But I also bring
out real examples, you know, why

675
00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:40.719
networking is important. Even this class, this podcast is being networking. How

676
00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:44.360
am I able to talk with somebody
in real time and they're miles away?

677
00:45:44.440 --> 00:45:47.079
That's networking. But what goes under? What's the underlying factor to that?

678
00:45:47.079 --> 00:45:50.440
That's what we get deep into it. I have my students, you know,

679
00:45:50.599 --> 00:45:53.079
download Cisco Packet Tracer. We actually
did a lab what last week.

680
00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:57.920
Hey guys, I want you to
build to make a star topology now Star

681
00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:02.280
now make a buzz. So I
have my students practice and stuff like that

682
00:46:02.360 --> 00:46:06.320
so they could get their hands on, you know, practice and not it's

683
00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:08.239
not just theory. So that's that
course. I do teach a course.

684
00:46:08.239 --> 00:46:12.760
It's title Ethical Hacking, but it's
really a cybersecurity course. So I teach

685
00:46:12.760 --> 00:46:15.480
students about the basis of cybersecurity.
Today's lesson actually an hour ago. What

686
00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:20.079
was about APT? You know,
Advanced persistent threats? Why are these guys

687
00:46:20.119 --> 00:46:22.559
bad? What is their motives?
What are the fincial game? They have

688
00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:27.159
many major goals, espionage, hacktivism, crime, all that stuff. So

689
00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:30.400
what is APT? Why this is
harmful for us? And how can we

690
00:46:30.440 --> 00:46:34.599
avoid this type of thing? You
know? So we talked about apts.

691
00:46:34.599 --> 00:46:37.480
I show real life examples of like
let's say APT twenty seven or twenty three

692
00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:42.000
or thirty two, all these random
names. I believe Microsoft recently just came

693
00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:45.559
out with a new name, Oh, Tempest, typhoon and stuff like that.

694
00:46:45.639 --> 00:46:46.679
So again you know, when it
comes yeah, when it comes to

695
00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:50.719
students, man, when cybersecurity,
there's a lot of names for one group.

696
00:46:50.719 --> 00:46:52.159
They have many different names, whether
it's from CrowdStrike, Men Dying,

697
00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:55.199
or Microsoft. It gets real strange, but make you students. Make sure

698
00:46:55.280 --> 00:46:59.760
students understand, Hey, there's digital
threats out there. That's a good and

699
00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:01.880
every story that's a good and bad
team, there's a good and bad guy

700
00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:07.280
that's an antagonist and protagonist at cyberusers
security defenders. I assume, and I

701
00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:09.360
tell my students, I assume you
want to beat at cybersecurity defenders. You

702
00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:13.000
want to be the good guys.
You have to understand the bad guys.

703
00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:15.400
You have to understand their motives,
their tactics, they're techniques. So this

704
00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:19.519
is why these least lessons are so
important and stuff like that. So yeah,

705
00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:22.760
black girls have those. With the
courses I teach, I do help

706
00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:25.400
other instructors as well if they do
need help with teaching. I help a

707
00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:30.159
recently instructor with her Security plus class, you know, helped her out she

708
00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:34.079
didn't have a lesson plan, created
jumped in, let's get it started going

709
00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:36.320
in, you know. So yeah, that's pretty much what I do with

710
00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:39.920
the teaching side when it clips with
black girls. Very cool man like dude,

711
00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:44.280
like you you're you're you're a dope
individual. Man. I have to

712
00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:49.159
say that, like I'm blown away, like literally just because I know you

713
00:47:49.239 --> 00:47:52.679
have not been at it that long, and the amount of knowledge that you

714
00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:55.840
have and you know the things you're
talking about sounds like that you've been in

715
00:47:55.960 --> 00:48:07.639
it for like fifteen plus years,
So that's that's pretty phenomenal. The BIT

716
00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:15.000
Foundation has established featured partnerships and programs
with companies such as Amazon, at and

717
00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:20.440
t comp Tia, tech Stars,
and more to provide our members with the

718
00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:25.320
resources we want and need to thrive
and succeed in this tech ecosystem. To

719
00:48:25.480 --> 00:48:31.440
learn more, visit Foundation dot blocks
and Technology dot net. Join now,

720
00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:42.119
and remember membership is free. Someone
wants to get into the world of cybersecurity,

721
00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:45.840
what steps would you advise them to
take? Great question? And I

722
00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:49.639
wrote many articles regarding this, so
right now, the first step, you

723
00:48:49.639 --> 00:48:53.079
guys have to understand the market.
I learned this in WGU business school.

724
00:48:53.320 --> 00:48:57.360
You have to do market research,
all right. You can talk to business

725
00:48:57.360 --> 00:49:00.360
owners. They're not just going to
spin up a random company without doing market

726
00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:04.079
research. Hey, we should probably
start a sports string. Okay, why

727
00:49:04.760 --> 00:49:07.039
where our clients like it? What
will be the audience, what would be

728
00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:08.480
the buyers? What will be a
great market? What would be the competitors?

729
00:49:08.519 --> 00:49:13.000
What's the swall analysis? So when
it comes to cybersecurity, you have

730
00:49:13.079 --> 00:49:15.000
to understand the market. Now,
as to this recording twenty twenty three,

731
00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:19.800
the market is rough and I'm not
gonna sugarcoat it for you guys. It's

732
00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:22.159
tech layoffs right now. You have
Big Ball, you have Thing Manga as

733
00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:24.920
people say, they're being laid off
right now. So you have seniors being

734
00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:28.639
laid off fighting for mid level roles. You got mid level roles being laid

735
00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:31.280
off fighting for entry level roles.
So now you're competing as an entry level

736
00:49:31.320 --> 00:49:37.599
student, as a graduate for roles
that experience people qualify for. So the

737
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:40.679
first aid vice I will gift students
understand the market, Understand the battle you're

738
00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:45.400
going into. Yes, it's gonna
be difficult. Do not listen to these

739
00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:49.119
people online saying, oh, get
your sex plus you're gonna make six figs.

740
00:49:49.519 --> 00:49:52.039
That's a lie. These people I
don't know who, I don't know

741
00:49:52.039 --> 00:49:53.639
where they're coming from. That's a
lie. Guys. You need to take

742
00:49:53.679 --> 00:49:59.000
your career seriously. And we live
in America. We live in America.

743
00:49:59.159 --> 00:50:01.199
We know how important is to have
a career to pay your bills, take

744
00:50:01.239 --> 00:50:04.760
care of your family. So you
need something. As you mentioned, Hey,

745
00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:07.039
but I'm passionate about you know,
drawing, well, it's wrong going

746
00:50:07.079 --> 00:50:10.039
to pay the bills? Probably not, I AI might take your job.

747
00:50:10.079 --> 00:50:13.519
We don't know. You need to
get out as cal newberts that you need

748
00:50:13.519 --> 00:50:17.519
to get career capital, high value
skills that the world deems valuable. So

749
00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:23.119
in this case cybersecurity, why because
networks IoT they're booming. Businesses need professionals

750
00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:27.719
to protect their assets. So the
first advice I would get students or aspiring

751
00:50:27.800 --> 00:50:31.400
cybersecurity professionals, learn the market,
what's going on. Second advice, okay,

752
00:50:31.599 --> 00:50:34.880
now know what's going on. I
know the truth, so I won't

753
00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:37.039
be disappointed if I don't get it. I don't get a job after five

754
00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:42.079
applications. Second, you need to
build your heart skills. Build your heart

755
00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:45.559
skills, understand the tools. So
spin up a box home labs. As

756
00:50:45.559 --> 00:50:49.679
you mentioned, you don't there's so
many gamified platforms btlo try hacking me,

757
00:50:49.760 --> 00:50:52.199
hack the box, so many gamified
platforms. Get hands on skills. Get

758
00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:57.000
if you can't get experienced from getting
a job, get that hands on skills.

759
00:50:57.239 --> 00:51:00.159
Now do I do advocate for the
candidates in this situation? We have

760
00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:05.400
some descripancy when it comes to cybersecurity
jobs. Yes, cybersecurity is not entry

761
00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:07.679
level, it's a mid level foe
role. But when you see these roles,

762
00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:13.400
these quote unquote entry level roles,
five years experience, sist, graduate

763
00:51:13.480 --> 00:51:16.400
degree, it really confused. Canada
is like, what the heck? How

764
00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:21.400
can I get these roles if I
need experience? So what I tell it?

765
00:51:21.400 --> 00:51:22.239
It goes back to what you said, you gotta be so good they

766
00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:25.320
can't ignore you. My past employers
they took a chance on me. I

767
00:51:25.320 --> 00:51:29.400
didn't have experience. I came from
customer service to five year's retail. Why

768
00:51:29.400 --> 00:51:31.239
should we take a chance on this
kid to protect our network? I had

769
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:35.039
that portfolio, I had that background
that was able to give in some you

770
00:51:35.039 --> 00:51:37.760
know what, bring him on the
team and guess what I perform. So

771
00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:42.119
what I tell candidates and as fire
students, you need to become so good

772
00:51:42.159 --> 00:51:44.599
you can't ignore you. If you
want to showcase employers that you're down for

773
00:51:44.719 --> 00:51:47.400
the cost, you really want to
get some searts. There's too many sorts.

774
00:51:47.440 --> 00:51:51.000
You could go on the Paul Jeremy
chart right now. See a whole

775
00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:53.559
list of searts to get at cybersecurity. First of all, pick a domain,

776
00:51:54.039 --> 00:51:57.639
cybersecuren is the umbrella word. Do
you want to get a red team

777
00:51:57.639 --> 00:52:00.840
in penetration testing, blue team?
Cloud engineering software? What do you want

778
00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:05.159
to get into? Pickle domain,
go and reddit as and this is something

779
00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:08.079
Teenisha Martin Tommy. If you want
to get into a field, go on

780
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:13.639
LinkedIn, find five people in that
same field, asks for a coffee chat

781
00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:16.039
so you can pick their brain and
see how they get in their field with

782
00:52:16.119 --> 00:52:19.880
all the pros and cons et cetera. So again, learned the market,

783
00:52:20.320 --> 00:52:22.679
get the heart skills, get the
trinkets, get the badge. We live

784
00:52:22.679 --> 00:52:24.880
in America, Americans with credential society. You need these badgets to get in.

785
00:52:25.239 --> 00:52:29.280
If the role says badgel to degree, just get one man, it

786
00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:30.840
doesn't expire, you'll have it for
life. Get a based to agree.

787
00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:34.320
If the role says, hey we
need to always CPPTA one, get it

788
00:52:34.320 --> 00:52:37.199
if you really want to get into
the role. After that, Now,

789
00:52:37.239 --> 00:52:38.920
this is the part wheople don't talk
about after you get into the field.

790
00:52:39.360 --> 00:52:43.199
This is where people don't talk about, Hey, I'm going through fatigue.

791
00:52:43.760 --> 00:52:46.559
Many socket and let's go to what
alert fatigue? People go to burnout.

792
00:52:46.599 --> 00:52:51.599
We've mentioned earliers. How can we
stay competitive and make sure we have work

793
00:52:51.639 --> 00:52:53.159
life balance after we get into the
field. Well, we have to have

794
00:52:53.239 --> 00:52:57.000
boundaries for ourselves, you know.
We gotta make sure, Okay, I'm

795
00:52:57.039 --> 00:53:00.360
doing this and that's it. I'm
not gonna do anything over my job role

796
00:53:00.400 --> 00:53:01.239
and stuff like that. Yes,
if I want to get a promotion,

797
00:53:01.280 --> 00:53:04.960
aut go above and beyond. But
you're doing what's required of your job role.

798
00:53:05.039 --> 00:53:07.880
Do you not get into the habit
of being arre multiple hats really when

799
00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:10.400
it's not required of your job role, because it's gonna get really nasty and

800
00:53:10.400 --> 00:53:14.199
you're gonna burn out and all that
stuff. So long story short, looks

801
00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:16.960
the market, get the required badges, trinkets, you need, skills,

802
00:53:17.719 --> 00:53:21.960
get into the role. You could
network, all right, and take this

803
00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:24.760
out and shout out some Anton Wade. He said, this is a stat.

804
00:53:24.880 --> 00:53:30.039
Seventy percent of jobs are blacklisted.
They're having on the public internet thirty

805
00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:34.519
per We're quiring for thirty percent of
jobs on Indie LinkedIn Monster. We're fine

806
00:53:34.559 --> 00:53:37.599
for the thirty percent. What about
the seventy percent? We don't want to

807
00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:39.840
talk about that. And it'd be
so you'd be sold surprised how network can

808
00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:43.519
get get you many jobs and stuff
like that. So guys, don't be

809
00:53:43.599 --> 00:53:46.280
like me when I was younger,
clammed up in my room playing games all

810
00:53:46.280 --> 00:53:51.159
that, didn't want to talk to
a human and break Grow some social skills,

811
00:53:51.519 --> 00:53:54.519
get some communication skills, speak with
people, learn to communicate. You'll

812
00:53:54.519 --> 00:53:58.880
be surprised the opportunity. Oh are
you're trying to get in cybersecurity? Actually,

813
00:53:59.320 --> 00:54:04.159
my company's firing for you'll be surprised. Those are my my temps up

814
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front. Yeah. Nice. Nice. So now we're going to get into

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our lightning round. I'm just going
to ask you a series of questions.

816
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Uh and just you know, kind
of give me your quick answers. All

817
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right, the cyborg or Tony Stark, Tony Stark? Interesting? Okay,

818
00:54:25.639 --> 00:54:30.639
what's currently in your playlist? But
to be honest with my place, I

819
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had near al Tomato ost and I
have some low fi hip girl uh low

820
00:54:35.599 --> 00:54:38.960
songs. That's in my current playlist. Okay, cool. Tell us two

821
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things that people may not know about
you. I am very a very given

822
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person, and I uh I spend
a lot of time reading. Yeah,

823
00:54:49.679 --> 00:54:53.039
I can tell that second one.
I'm sure Red Team or Blue Team,

824
00:54:53.639 --> 00:54:59.079
Blue Team all the way. All
right, Packers. The movie Swordfish or

825
00:54:59.360 --> 00:55:05.800
other because the movie surface other.
Okay, what what what would the other

826
00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:08.239
kind of hacker movie be for you? Oh? Hacker movie? Damn uh?

827
00:55:09.400 --> 00:55:12.920
I guess you could say Fast eight. I wanted to say that a

828
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hacking movie, but it has hacking
elements. Nice? Nice, Okay,

829
00:55:15.960 --> 00:55:20.239
cool man, Malik, this has
been wonderful. I really appreciate you.

830
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Know you're spending your time with us
and telling us about your journey. I

831
00:55:23.679 --> 00:55:28.719
think your wise beyond your years.
It sounds like you're very passionate, very

832
00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:30.920
motivated, very dedicated on what you
do, so I know you will go

833
00:55:31.079 --> 00:55:35.880
far before we get out of here. How can people get in touch with

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you or follow you? Yeah,
I'm on LinkedIn at Malik drowndin my first

835
00:55:39.559 --> 00:55:43.119
and last name. You can catch
me on YouTube. I do have a

836
00:55:43.159 --> 00:55:45.920
YouTube channel wire posts, you know, updates about my life, my journey

837
00:55:45.239 --> 00:55:47.079
and some of my advice. You
could find me on there. Yeah,

838
00:55:47.119 --> 00:55:51.280
those are the main two places,
YouTube and LinkedIn. If you do want

839
00:55:51.280 --> 00:55:54.079
to hit me up on Discord,
you could do writerly r w w R

840
00:55:54.159 --> 00:55:59.440
I t E r l y dot. That's my disco user name. Yeah,

841
00:55:59.559 --> 00:56:01.480
my three I mean three main places
I respond to all comments and I

842
00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:07.360
look forward to speaking to you all. Very very cool. Thanks once again,

843
00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:09.639
a League. I appreciate your time. And that's it for this episode.

844
00:56:10.360 --> 00:56:14.400
Sweet, appreciate it. Good,
Okay, take care. Blacks and

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Technology, Why why black? Blacks
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