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Welcome back to the Pathway, Jillie, I'm Robin, I'm Jules, and

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I'm Ashley. Let's dive right into
this week's case. December eighth, two

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thousand, Dublin, Ireland. After
spending a rainy evening at a staff Christmas

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party, twenty two year old Trevor
Deeley walks to his place of employment,

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the Bank of Ireland Asset Management headquarters. Trevor chats with a coworker and grabs

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an umbrella, but after leaving the
building and passing by nearby atm he never

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arrives at his apartartment and is not
heard from again. CCTV footage would show

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a man dressed in black coming into
contact with Trevor that night, but no

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one knows if this had any connection
with his disappearance, and no trace of

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Trevor is ever found after that.
The path went Chile. So today the

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Pathway Chile will be covering what is
our first case from Ireland, the two

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thousand disappearance of Trevor Deey. In
fact, this may be the most famous

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and puzzling missing person's case in the
history of that country. This is one

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of those haunting disappearances in which there
is existing footage of the victim's last no

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movements before they seemingly vanished into thin
air. Trevor Deeley was a young employee

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with the Bank of Ireland Asset Management
who stayed up late attending a staff Christmas

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party, but shortly after three thirty
am, he decided to stop by his

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workplace before heading back to his apartment. However, Trevor never arrived, and

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even though investigators turned up footage of
him walking past a seat ECTV camera at

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an ATM on his route home,
what happened to him next is anyone's guess.

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For over two decades, one of
the biggest leads in this case was

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a mysterious individual known only as the
man in Black, who was seen briefly

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chatting with Trevor when he stopped by
his workplace. Forty minutes later, CCTV

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footage captured a man in black walking
past the same ATM camera almost immediately after

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Trevor did, but investigators cannot be
certain if this was the same man who

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was previously seen chatting with Trevor,
or if he had any involvement in his

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disappearance. I originally covered this one
on the trail went cold nearly six years

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ago, but there has been a
recent development in the case, so I

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thought we should revisit it. On
the Pathway Chile. This is one of

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those cases that has so much of
an eerie vibe to it that you have

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Trevor who's at a Christmas party for
his business and then he is saying,

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Hey, I'm going to stop by
work for some reason at three point thirty

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and encounters a man in black,
Robin, can you tell me more about

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is this guy inside his employment place? Is he seen outside talking to him?

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Yeah, he's seen outside the gates
of the headquarters talking to Trevor before

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he walks away. And then,
as we're going to talk about later,

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forty minutes after Trevor leaves, you
see another man in black walking past the

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same CCTV camera that Trevor passed by. So the wondering was this the same

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man who was outside the bank and
could he have been following Trevor and is

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he the reason that Trevor disappeared.
It's so bizarre because if it is the

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same man, it's almost when you
think about the timing. It's three point

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thirty in the morning after a Christmas
party and this man in black is talking

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to him outside his place of employment. My question in the back of my

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head is is it someone from work
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work and comes to, let's say, talk to him or confront him,

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because they also had just left the
Christmas party and then they follow him where

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he's going. Yeah, because that's
the weird thing is that no one should

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have known that Trevor was going to
stop by his workplace at that hour of

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the morning, because they should have
automatically assumed he would just head straight home

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from the party. So if that's
the case, how did this man know

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he was going to be there and
could he have followed him or is it

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just a coincidence that he happened to
be there and he has no connection to

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the case. Our story begins in
Ireland in two thousand and Our central figure

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is twenty two year old Trevor Deey. Trevor originally hails from the town of

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Noss and was born to parents Michael
and Anne Dealey. He is the youngest

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of their four siblings and has an
older brother and two sisters. Trevor now

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lives in Dublin, sharing an apartment
with two female flatmates and is employed at

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the headquarters of the Bank of Ireland
Asset Management, more commonly known as the

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BIAM. He works for their IT
department and by all accounts, is considered

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a model employee with a strong work
ethic and is well liked by everyone who

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knows him. In November this year, Trevor left on vacation for a lengthy

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trip to Alaska before he returned to
work on Wednesday, December sixth. The

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following evening, he attended a staff
Christmas party, which involved traveling to multiple

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locations with his coworkers. They started
off by attending a reception at a club

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called Copper Face Jacks, before they
moved to a Hilton hotel on Charlemont Place

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for the main party. After remaining
there for several hours, they decided to

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go to a nightclub on Leeson Street
called Buck Whaley's, and of course,

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Trevor and coworkers consumed a lot of
alcohol throughout the course of the night.

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At around three twenty five am on
December eighth, Trevor left the nightclub and

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initially planned to walk back to his
apartment, but there was a heavy rainstorm

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taking place with very high winds.
Since a taxi driver's strike was taking place

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in Dublin and there were no cabs
available. Trevor decided to walk to his

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workplace, the Bank of Ireland Asset
Management headquarters at Wilton Terrace, as it

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was located only a couple of minutes
away. At this time of night.

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The building's rear gate would have ordinarily
been locked and had a chain on it,

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but the security guard had removed the
chain a few minutes earlier in order

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to receive a delivery, so Trevor
was able to unlock the gate and let

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himself inside. By the time he
entered the building, Trevor was completely drenched

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with rain, but he logged onto
his computer to send out an email before

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meeting up with Carl Pender, a
coworker who was working the overnight shipt.

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The two of them had coffee and
chatted together in the staff canteen, and

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even though Carl would describe Trevor as
being a bit tipsy, he did not

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believe he was heavily intoxicated. Trevor's
main reason for visiting the office was to

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borrow one of the corporate golf umbrellas
they kept lying around, which he could

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carry when he completed his walk home
in the rain. After grabbing the umbrella,

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Trevor exited the building at four two
am. Shortly thereafter, Trebor used

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his mobile phone to leave a quick
voicemail for a friend. This would turn

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out to be the last time anyone
ever heard from him. Trevor failed to

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show up for work later that day, which seemed very uncharacteristic, but this

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did not immediately raise any alarm bells
given that it was a Friday and Trevor

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had been out drinking the night before. However, and Trevor failed to show

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up for work again on Monday,
December of the eleventh, this caused great

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concern. Nobody had made any contact
with Trevor over the weekend, and all

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calls to his cell phone went unanswered. When his family went to visit his

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apartment, there was no answer at
the door. Since Trevor's flatmates had been

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out of town on holiday, it
could not be confirmed if he actually made

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it back to his apartment after leaving
BIAM headquarters. Trevor was subsequently reported missing

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to the Guardee, which, in
case you're not aware, is the official

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name of Ireland's police force. This
became one of the most high profile missing

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persons cases in the history of the
country. The Daley family would perform a

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relentless search for Trevor, and thousands
of leaflets and missing persons posters were distributed

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by the use. This is everything
lines up to be just this almost catastrophic

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storm for him, no pun intending
because it's pouring down rain. But he's

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going to say, I know there's
umbrellas at work. I'm going to try

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to get into work, catch my
breath, get an umbrella. He sits

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and has coffee with his coworker.
But those back gates they just happen to

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be unlocked, which let him enter
from that way. Is that where he's

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going to encounter this man in black
before going into his workplace or is it

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after he leaves his workplace? Yeah, we're gonna discuss this momentarily, but

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it's before he walks into the workplace. And what's going to happen is that

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Trevor goes inside and the CCTV foot
it shows this guy walking out of frame

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and no one knows what happens to
him or if he did return by the

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time Trevor left. See that's so
bizarre. So this the events just line

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up in a way that he really
should have never been able to go through

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those back rear gates or be back
there, except the security guard had received

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this package or a delivery. And
also there's a security are sitting there.

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Does he not know anything? Apparently
not. I haven't heard anything more about

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the guard, but I presume that
they question him. And that's the thing

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is that Trevor, they will confirm
that he left the bank and walked a

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couple of blocks, So whatever did
happen to him did not happen at the

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bank, So perhaps the guard's testimony
is completely irrelevant. Was it typical or

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characteristic for the banks to have people
doing overnight shifts? I think it's because

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he worked in the IT apartment,
So I have to assume that they had

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to watch over the servers. I
mean, I have a friend like that

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who had a job where she would
have to go into offices and work all

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night just to mind the servers.
And it was one of those jobs where

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most of the time you're just sitting
doing nothing. All you have to do

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is just watch over it in case
anything goes wrong. So I'm guessing that

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maybe Carl Pender might have been the
only person working there at that time,

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and Trevor thought, well, since
my friend's there, it'll be okay for

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me to grab an umbrella and I
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One of the first steps in the
investigation involved check the footage from the CCTV

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cameras located outside BIAM headquarters, which
would turn up a very intriguing clue.

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Starting at three h five am,
the CCTV footage would show an unidentified man

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dressed in black standing by a pillar
next to the rear gates, and for

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reasons unknown, he remained there for
nearly half an hour. But then at

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three point thirty four, after the
man appeared to be receiving a quick call

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on his cell phone, Trevor arrived
and walked past him. At the time,

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Trevor was talking on his cell phone
with Carl Pender, so he never

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acknowledged the man in black, but
then the man immediately started following Trevor.

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Now there was a separate camera overlooking
a second rear gate behind the building,

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which was twenty feet away from the
first one. Twenty seconds after Trevor passed

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the man in black, the CCTV
footage from the second camera would show this

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man walking ahead of Trevor before he
came to a stop near the second gate,

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which seemed to indicate that he passed
Trevor during that brief window of time

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after Trevor finished his phone call,
the two men appeared to engage in a

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brief conversation before Trevor unlocked the gate
and walked into the building. According to

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Carl Pender, Trevor never mentioned anything
about his conversation with the man in black

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during the time they chatted. A
few minutes after Trevor went inside, the

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man walked across the road out of
frame and could no longer be seen when

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Trevor left the building and exited through
the gate at four h two. So

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that kind of blows my idea that
maybe this was someone from the party who

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had followed him there. He had
actually been at the gate prior to Trevor

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coming and is almost lingering there before
almost having this interaction where he wants to

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get Trevor's attention or ask him something, or see where Trevor's going. Is

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it possible that this person is like
just trying to seek shelter in the really

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bad weather, and like maybe they're
hoping that somehow saw one's going to come

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along and they're going to be able
to catch a ride. That might be

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possible because maybe that was the conversation
he had with Trevor. Can I follow

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you into this place and I can
get shelter, But I'm sure Trevor said

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no, this is a secure banking
facility. I can't let strangers inside,

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and that's why he walked away,
and Trevor just thought, well, this

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interaction is not worth mentioning to Carl. But yeah, I don't think he

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was specifically targeting Trevor because he was
there a half hour earlier, and there's

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no way he could have predicted that
Trevor would decide to stop by his workplace

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at that time of night. And
maybe the call he received on his cell

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phone was somebody who's coming to pick
him up, and then that's why he

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left right around the same time as
Trevor. That is possible he could have

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gone to a spot where there were
no cameras and was picked up out of

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frame. So after Trevor left BIAM
headquarters, he would be captured one more

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time by CCTV cameras. At four
fourteen am, CCTV footage showed Trevor passing

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by an ATM at a branch of
the Bank of Ireland located at the corner

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of Addington Road and Baggett Street Bridge. This was approximately a fifteen minute walk

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away from Trevor's apartment in Ballsbridge,
but no one knows what happened to him

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afterward. However, thirty seconds after
Trevor disappeared out of frame, the CCTV

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footage showed a man dressed in black
passing by the ATM and heading him the

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same direction, But since the footage
was not very clear, no one could

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be certain if this was the same
man in black scene standing outside BIAM headquarters

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over a half hour earlier. Even
though a public plea was sent out for

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this man to come forward, no
one ever did. It's thirty seconds after

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he passes by. If it is
the same man, that man went across

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the street and out a frame and
waited for Trevor and then is getting incredibly

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close on his tail when he's only
fifteen minutes away from his house. It

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is also possible it's not the same
person. But in a pouring down rainstorm

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at four fourteen in the morning,
what are the chances that you have two

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men all dressed in black? Trevor
at the same time. It's a taxi

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strike though, and it seems like
they're in an area where there's lots of

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pubs and bars, so it is
possible. Oh yeah, definitely, like

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circumstances were different, and doublin at
that because of the taxi strike and how

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we're going to talk about. That's
just one of the many pieces of bad

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luck for Trevor, because if there
hadn't been a strike, he just would

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have taken a cab home and none
of this would have happened. The CCTV

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camera at the ATM captured Trevor right
after he'd crossed Baggett Street Bridge, which

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overlooks the Grand Canal, so authorities
looked into the possibility that Trevor could have

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fallen off the bridge into the water
and drowned. A thorough search was performed

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of the canal, along with the
other waterways connected to it, but it

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turned up no trace of Trevor's body. According to the head of the GUARDIESE

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sub Awquay unit, who performed a
search, if Trevor had fallen into the

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canal, he almost certainly would have
been found, but since Trevor had already

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crossed the bridge the last time he
was seen on the CCTV footage. Why

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would he have turned around and gone
in the opposite direction. The authorities also

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searched the River Dowterer, another body
of water Trevor would have had to cross

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on his route back to his apartment, but nothing was found there either.

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In fact, the umbrella Trevor was
carrying could also not be found, nor

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were any of his personal items,
including his mobile phone. Trevor's sister,

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Michelle, had called his phone at
least four times over the weekend after he

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disappeared, even though her calls started
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eleventh, Michelle seemed to recall that
the phone still rang when she attempted to

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reach Trevor over the weekend. This
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let's say, he had been attacked
on the street, I don't think that

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he would have been able to maintain
that umbrella in his hands, and I

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don't think an attacker would have scooped
up that umbrella to get it to go

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with Trevor's body or with Trevor same
thing with his cell phone. If he

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was he you saw him talking on
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If he was holding his phone and
got into an altercation, he probably

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would have dropped it and it would
have stayed in that location. Those are

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things that are visible. Someone would
have seen them and been able to link

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them back to Trevor after he had
been reporting missing. But it's almost like

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he either got picked up or he
went home and left again. But there's

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no sign of that. It's very
It just doesn't allude to the fact that

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this person's following him and then would
attack him on the street. We don't

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see anything of Trevor's do you guys
think too that, like you would necessarily

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see a scene from a struggle.
Because this was the year two thousand,

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I think that people would be more
apt to scoop up a cell phone that

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they found on the street because pass
codes weren't what they are today, and

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you'd be more likely to be able
to unlock that phone and use it or

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sell it. So somebody might just
come across a phone on the ground and

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they're not going to assume that somebody's
been abducted. They're just going to think,

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oh, someone dropped their phone mine. Now, yeah, that's what

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I'm picking as well, and it's
possible, like if Ashley's theory is true

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that maybe he accepted a ride for
someone, then he would have taken the

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umbrella and his phone into the car
with them, and whoever had them could

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have disposed of them at a later
time, and that explains why they're not

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kind found lying on the ground somewhere. But your theory is apt as well

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that it's possible that if he did
drop it, someone could have just scooped

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it up and took it with them, because it was a couple of days

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before anyone even noticed that Trevor was
missing. I suppose the same thing with

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the umbrella too. If it's a
pouring rainstorm and you come across an open

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umbrella lying on the ground and no
one's around, Shoot, I guess I'll

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just take it and use it.
Yeah, exactly, especially if you don't

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have an umbrella. I think there's
just like so many hidden variables here that

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either option sounds like a good option, given the fact that we've got so

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little information at this point. So
interestingly enough, if Trevor had continued on

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his route home, it would have
required him to walk down Northumberland Road,

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an area known as the Embassy Belt, since it houses the embassy buildings for

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the United States, Italy, and
the Czech Republic. During his initial search

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for Trevor on December of the eleventh, his brother Mark Daley spoke to one

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of the guards standing outside the US
Embassy and learned that President Bill Clinton would

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be visiting the following day. According
to the guard, the entire surrounding area

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was thoroughly inspected over the weekend by
the President's advanced security team in order to

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prepare for his impending visit. This
involved searching all existing trash bins and manholes,

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and nothing was found to suggest foul
play had recently occurred there. In

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other words, if something happened to
Trevor on his route home and his body

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was hidden anywhere in the surrounding area, the security team likely would have found

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it. However, a potential problem
is that, since Trevor had not yet

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been reported missing at the time this
security suite was performed, the team destroyed

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potential evidence without even realizing it.
That's very scary that you would have such

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a massive event like the President of
the United States coming and you have his

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security team doing a thorough investigation of
the area to make sure that it's safe.

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But if they don't know what to
look for, Robin, you nailed

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it, how would they actually protect
information or data or things that they're not

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even aware that they should be looking
for. Right, it wouldn't be contextually

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relevant to them at the time.
But I'm leaning towards this idea that maybe

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he did get an offer for a
ride, like, hey man, where

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are you going? Just you know, three blocks that way? Well,

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hop in, this is crazy.
The rains too, you know, is

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too strong right now, hop in
and let us give you a ride,

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and then he doesn't make it home. If he had gone home with wet

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clothes and change his clothes and then
decided to leave again, you'd think there'd

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be some sign that he had been
there. He had been traveling for three

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weeks prior to coming home the night
before, so you would think something indicate

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to his flatmates that he had come
home from the party. What he had

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been wearing at the party would have
likely been changed and on his bed or

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in the dirty clothes, because he
would have changed out of the wet clothes,

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So it doesn't seem like he actually
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as long as the person was charismatic
enough and not scary. You wouldn't need

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to struggle with him to get him
in the vehicle. All you'd have to

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do, like you said, is
offer, hey, do you want to

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ride, and barring the person doesn't
look like they'd be a serial killer,

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I think most people in that situation, given the options or lack thereof,

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would go Okay, yeah, like
this sounds like a good option. And

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so yeah, it's entirely possible that
somebody was just opportunistic and came across Trevor.

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Yeah, that certainly is possible.
And getting back to Ashley's point,

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they never did find any evidence that
Trevor made it to his apartment. I

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mean, I suppose it's possible because
his flatmates were out for the week,

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so they would never be able to
confirm or deny it. But like you

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said, they never found any clothing
laying around to indicate that he changed and

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I don't think they found any evidence
that he had used his key or anything

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like that. And I'm sure he
would have been captured if there were any

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other CCTV cameras in the vicinity of
his apartment. So yeah, I agree,

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he probably never made it there.
There would be no major developments in

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the case during the next several years, and it seemed like Trevor had just

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vanished into thin air. In twenty
seventeen, a forensic enhancement was done to

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the CCTV footage of Trevor in hopes
of getting a better glimpse of the mysterious

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man in black seen standing outside the
gates of the BIAM headquarters, as well

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as the man seen walking thirty seconds
behind Trevor when he passed by the ATM.

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But even after the enhancement, investigators
could not conclusively determine if both men

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were the same person. In spite
of this, one hundred thousand dollars euro

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reward, which had been provided by
an anonymous donor, was offered for information

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well in August of that year,
the Guardie announced that they had received a

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promising new lead and were performing an
extensive search a three acre wooded site in

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the Chapel Lizard area of South Dublin, located approximately eight kilometers from where Trevor

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was last seen. An informant had
come forward with information alleging that a member

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of a well known criminal family from
the Krumlin suburb had confessed to him about

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shooting Trevor before burying his body inside
a Draine and Chapel lizard. This man's

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story was that Trevor had been beaten
and put inside the trunk of a car

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before he was brought to a house
and threatened a gunpoint. Apparently the person

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responsible was just trying to scare Trevor
and didn't have any intention of killing him.

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But the gun discharged and Trevor was
shot dead by accident. Okay,

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what's interesting is that they have this
come out after they show the CCTV footage.

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There's this link and there's a reward, right obviously, but there's this

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link that the informant is saying,
Oh, I know what happened to this

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kid? Do we think it has
anything to do with the man in black?

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Or do we think it's more motivation
from the reward even if it's not

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true information. Well, I was
going to talk about the informant actually said

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that he didn't care about the reward, that he only wanted to do the

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right thing and provide a resolution for
a Trevor's family, even though they never

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found any evidence to support a story. So, looking at the media coverage

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from twenty seventeen, I do think
that police took this guy seriously, but

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they just didn't find any evidence.
So the suspect was not publicly named,

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but the GUARDI confirmed that he had
an extensive criminal history in the drug trade

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and some of his associates were alleged
to have been involved in running street prostitution

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in the Begott Street area around the
time of Trevor's disappearance. It's worth noting

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that in June of nineteen ninety eight, a twenty one year old sex worker

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named Shanade Kelly have been stabbed fourteen
times and her body was found on the

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banks of the Grand Canal off Begatt
Street, close to where Trevor was last

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seen. Well. It's believed that
Kelly was murdered on the orders of a

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drug dealeror she owed money to.
There was never enough evidence to make a

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rest and her murder officially remains unsolved. The informant who came forward with the

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information about Trevor claimed he was not
interested in the one hundred thousand euro reward,

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but just wanted to clear his guilty
conscience. The guard he spent six

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weeks searching and excavated the site at
Chapel Lizard but failed to turn up any

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evidence that Trevor had been buried there. But at an odd turn of events,

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a handgun and a consignment of heroin
and cocaine worth over eighty thousand euros

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was found buried at the site.
It's believed that the location had been used

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as a stash area for criminals,
but authorities do not think the gun or

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the drugs have anything to do with
Trevor's case. Let me ask you this,

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do we know if Trevor has any
recreational use of drugs or would have

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had a reason to run into people
who are involved in this criminal enterprise?

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Anyone knows of Like everyone said that
he was just like a good guy who

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always stayed out of trouble, and
even if he did like drugs, it

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probably was something more like marijuana.
And he does not strike me as someone

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who had an interest in hard drugs
like heroin and cocaine. So I mean,

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I guess it's anything. Anything's possible. He could have bumped into someone

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to try to purchase drugs out the
street, but if he did have an

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interest in that, he kept it
well hidden well. On the twenty three

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year anniversary of Trevor's disappearance. Only
a few days before we recorded this episode,

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there would be a significant announcement the
mysterious man in black seen walking past

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the ATM camera had finally been identified. Details are vague about how this happened,

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but the Guardie once again attempted a
forensic enhancement of all the CCTV footage

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from the case and hired the services
of a UK based company who specialized in

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this. They apparently did such a
good job at enhancing the quality of the

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footage that investigators were able to identify
the man in black. His name has

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not been released publicly, but after
reinterviewing him, the GUARDI officially ruled him

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out as a suspect. They do
not believe he was involved in Trevor's disappearance

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and it was nothing more than a
coincidence that he just happened to pass by

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the ATM camera shortly about thirty seconds
after Trevor did. But what's particularly frustrating

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is that this man apparently provided a
statement to the GUARDI during the early stages

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of the investigation, so they did
have his name on file, but for

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whatever reason, this information seemed to
be overlooked and forgotten about for two decades.

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That is incredibly frustrating. One of
the things that I find so fascinating

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when I'm in when i'm working cold
cases or i'm helping and I'm looking through

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case files, is I'll say,
hey, did anyone link this piece of

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material to this piece of material?
And it's the idea that there's so much

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information but also no information at all, that it's very difficult to provide any

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kind of organization or structured to a
case file. Right There's things that you

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don't logically link to events that there's
no context to put them in. And

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so when I would go back years
later, coming with a fresh perspective,

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not having any kind of preconceived ideas, not having talked to witnesses or interviewed

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family or anything like that, if
you're just looking at the file years later,

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you are able to see different things. If more information has been learned,

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you're able to start to connect those
puzzle pieces. But at the moment

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when you have we really don't even
know where Trevor is. There's probably so

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many tips and leads and interviews and
witnesses. It sounds maddening that there'd be

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no link, but it is very
hard to say how do you make those

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links when there's so little to actually
pull together a story. I don't know

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if that makes sense, but it's
daunting. There's tiny, tiny bits of

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breadcrumbs everywhere, and when you step
back years later, sometimes you can build

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those breadcrumbs into something, But at
the time it just seems like, just

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drop it in the file, Just
drop it in the file, And so

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so many things do get overlooked like
this. Well, this sort of thing

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does happen a lot like An infamous
example of this from recent years is the

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Delphi murders, where the man they've
arrested for the crime, Richard Allen,

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it turned out he had spoken to
I think a Forest services officer on the

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day of the murders, placing himself
in the area during the time period of

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the crime. But his statement was
kept in a file for something like five

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years before anyone took a fresh look
at it, and it finally paved the

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way to his arrest. And this
may be a thing here, where this

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guy gave a statement just saying he
was in the area, it was forgotten

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about, and while the details are
vague, I guess maybe when they looked

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at the footage, somebody put two
and two together. Maybe they thought,

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hey, he kind of looks like
this guy I remember, and then they

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found this guy's name in the file, They reinterviewed him, and then finally

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ruled him out as being involved in
Trevor's disappearance. Now, thanks to the

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forensic enhancement of the CCTV footage,
investigators were finally able to determine with absolute

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certainty that the man in black scene
passing by the ATM camera was not the

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same man in black captured in CCTV
footage outside BIAM headquarters when Trevor arrived there

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at three thirty five am. This
man has still never been identified, and

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while there's nothing to indicate that he
was involved in Trevor's disappearance, investigators would

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still like to track him down and
question him so he can at least be

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ruled out as a suspect. Trevor's
family have described the identification of the second

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man in black as a quote unquote
bittersweet moment, because even though it answered

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one of the case's biggest questions,
it essentially brought the investigation back to square

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one. If this man did not
play any role in Trevor's disappearance, then

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what actually happened to him. Well, after twenty three years, he continues

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to remain a missing person, So
I guess you could say the path went

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chilly. What is really interesting is
that first man actually doesn't doesn't have as

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strong of a tie to Trevor as
the second man in black, because remember,

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he's the one who actually sees Trevor
prior to Trevor going into his workplace

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to have a cup of coffee to
send that email, and then that man

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leaves the frame of the closed circuit
television and so when you are looking at

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the man at the ATM machine,
that's somebody who might have been one of

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the very last humans to actually see
Trevor. And so, as frustrating as

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it is that we don't know who
that first man in black is, knowing

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that he's not the same person as
the man in black at the ATM machine

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almost makes him kind of pointless in
my mind. It is true because there

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is technically no other CCTV footage of
this first man in black, because if

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he had been the same man walking
past the ATM camera, you could think,

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well, he was hanging around outside
waiting for Trevor to leave, and

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then he followed him all the way
to that spot. But now that we

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know that the guy at the ATM
was a completely different person with no connection

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to the guy at the bank,
then yeah, it does seem that he's

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pretty much a red herring. But
they at least one who identify him and

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questioning him, so they could be
one hundred percent certain he was not involved,

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or at least be certain that he
didn't see anything suspicious which could shed

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light on Trevor's disappearance. So Trevor
Deely's disappearance is definitely a prime example of

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the most baffling type of missing person's
case in which there is virtually no evidence

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to work with, and it's easy
to see why this has become one of

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the most famous mysteries in the history
of Ireland. If I had to name

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some American missing person's cases which were
equivalent to this one, the best examples

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I could think of are the disappearances
of Brian Schaefer and Brandon Swanson. Much

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like Trevor's story, both of these
cases involved young men who went out for

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a night of drinking and partying and
then just vanished off the face of the

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earth. What's particularly frustrating here is
how differently things could have turned out for

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Trevor if not for a series of
unfortunate circumstances. For instance, if there

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hadn't been a taxi strike in Dublin, Trevor simply could have taken a cab

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home that night and arrived safely.
If it wasn't for the massive rainstorm,

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Trevor may not have felt the need
to take a detour to his workplace to

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grab an umbrella. If his two
flatmates were out of town on holiday at

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that time, then an entire weekend
might not have passed without anyone noticing that

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Trevor was missing. The Daily family
are one of the most proactive families when

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it comes to keeping their missing loved
ones case in the spotlight, and you

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have to feel immense sympathy for them. Oh, that's the it's the one

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of the saddest things you have witnessed. I think when you look at these

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cases, you know, for people
listening to a podcast or people watching a

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TV show, it's it's interesting and
kind of entertaining to hear case details that

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don't have any kind of personal connection
to you and wondering about the human nature

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behind those. But when you're a
family living in it. You don't get

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to turn the computer off or your
phone off or the TV off. This

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is constant for you. And in
Trevor's case, because he's a missing person,

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they're dealing with immense questions. What
if he's still alive. Could he

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be hurt right now? Could he
be looking for us? Could we be

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doing more right to make sure he
knows where we are? Could he be

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dead right? There's no answers for
them, And so instead of just having

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to grieve the missing nature of their
son, they now also have to take

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on roles as investigators and media personnel
and you know, the sleuths themselves,

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or at least public relations experts themselves, when that's not really part of the

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grieving process, right. It stops
them from being able to find peace and

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take a deep breath in these moments. And so I feel so sad for

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the idea that they have to be
doing this if they want Trevor to stay

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relevant. And yet it's one of
the most exhausting and devas stating things that

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a family can be forced to do
in the midst of also trying to grieve

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and heal and have any sense of
normalcy in their lives. Well, you've

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spoken to us about this before,
ash with your experience working with cold case

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detectives, that it's the families that
you know are there and they're reminding the

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detectives, and they're reminding law enforcement, and they're going to the media,

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and they're being really loud about it. They're the ones, unless you know,

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the circumstances where it's a very affluent
family or something like that. But

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if you've got a family that is
really loud, they're going to get more

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attention than somebody that sits back.
So that puts an unfair burden on a

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family to continually be reminding everybody about
the case, when you'd hope that there

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would just be an equal amount of
investigation with regards to these cases across the

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board, but unfortunately that just doesn't
seem to be what happens. That's exactly

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right, I mean, the reality
is is that officers can only work a

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case so hard. Detectives can only
work so hard. But if they don't

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have a lead, if they don't
have information to go on, they're going

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to go and look at the squeaky
wheel that needs the grease. If they

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don't have a piece of evidence to
chase in any other case, and they

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have a mother or a father or
a sister who's begging them on a daily

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basis to please give them an update. Please look into this, Please pay

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attention to me. When I have
the time and I'm not sidetracked by something

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with a more promising piece of evidence, I am going to go to the

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people who are begging me and I
form a connection with It's a human nature

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that's just natural. And as an
aside, at the time we're recording this,

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I've done a bunch of trail in
Cold episodes about cases that took place

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at Christmas that are still unsolved to
this day. And recurring theme that I've

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seen with the families of these victims
is they've said that every year around Christmas

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they are no longer able to celebrate
it or have fun because it's a constant

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reminder of what happened to their missing
or murdered loved one. And I think

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that's probably the same thing with Trevor's
case, because he happened to go missing,

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like right before the Christmas holidays when
they were going to spend some time

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together. So every year around December, it's a very sad time for them,

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and it's been going on now for
twenty three consecutive years, so I

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think this would be a good time
to bring it in to part one.

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But join us next week as we
present part two of our series about the

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disappearance of Trevor Deely. Robin,
do you want to tell us a little

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