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forty one, our good friend and MAVs

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expert Bobby Corilla. Good morning,
Bobby. How are you, ma'am?

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I'm fantastic, my friends. How
are we doing? What were your thoughts

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when I texted you last night?
Hey man, can you pop on?

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Were you like real busy and doing
stuff and didn't want to do it?

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Uh? Trying to learn as much
as I can about the Charlotte Hornets and

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the Washington Wizards over the last few
years. So you did get me in

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the middle of something. But no, we're all good man. I'm ready

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to talk some sports. We love
talking sports, especially with you, especially

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basketball sport. We've had you on
plenty of times anytime there's big map stuff,

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and we kicked it around earlier this
morning, but we wanted to have

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you on nine o'clock hour. So
were you surprised? I mean, TikTok.

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We got off the air at ten
am yesterday and it was sort of

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like, well, crickets, no
news. About the time I got my

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car, it was breaking, right, and then it was breaking with the

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Gafford deal, and then the Washington
deal comes through. I guess, first

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were you surprised, and then your
initial reaction to the acquisition of these two

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players. To be honest, I
was pretty surprised about the Gafford deal.

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You know, the MAVs have been
linked to Wings for basically, I mean

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for years, but this crop of
Wings for months now, you know,

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going back to even November December.
So I wasn't surprised that they made a

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swing for PJ, But for Gafford, I was, you know, I

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didn't really think that they had the
necessary amo to go make two or three

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deals the way that they did,
and especially you know a lot of the

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insiders were kind of pitching this year's
trade deadline as well. It's gonna be

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kind of a snoozer, guys,
I don't even know if you want to

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like tune into our podcast, it's
gonna be so boring. And then here

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the MAVs go, you know,
making two of the biggest deals of the

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day in like half an hour.
So, you know, I was pretty

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surprised by the MAVs aggression, and
I was also pretty surprised by, you

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know, the fact that other teams. Now granted, Charlotte did get a

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first round pick for PJ and Washington
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but I was pretty surprised that these
other teams were willing to make those

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deals at the prices that they were
considering how it was sort of pitched to

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us by the National guy saying like, it's gonna cost you an arm and

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a leg to get a rotation guy. And then here the Maps go getting

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two guys without giving up really any
of their core players. So, you

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know, I was both surprised by
the level of gression and also the cost

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that it took to get them.
Were you surprised at the creativity that was

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involved in this? And that's kind
of a question one to predicate the second

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question, which is what is the
hierarchy of a trade? Like this being

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presented. Is it Nico saying,
look, I have this idea, He

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goes to Cuban, they crunch numbers, they talk it through. And then

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added to that, how much is
Luca Kyrie involved? How much did they

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know leading up to that? I
know it was a lot to ask,

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but you know, pick apart what
you want. Yeah, I mean,

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Lucas said after the game last night
that he had wanted a backup center for

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years, and so I think that
he was probably banging the drum a little

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bit now. I don't think he's
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demand you better go get Daniel Gafford, buddy, or else I'm gone.

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You know, I don't think he's
that kind of player. You know,

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he's not posting hourglass emojis on X. But you know, I definitely think

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that Luca and Kyrie were involved to
a degree. With every passing transaction cycle,

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I think we're learning a little bit
more about the kind of vision that

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Nico Harrison has for the team,
and it's definitely different than how the Maps

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were building their team a few years
ago. And I know, obviously the

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the general manager has changed, the
head coach has changed, But I also

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think Mark's level of involvement has probably
changed a little bit. I think he

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certainly trusts Nico more. I mean, the MAVs just made two big trades

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yesterday, one for a center who
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you know, a few months ago, and neither of those two guys

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can shoot. Now. I don't
think that's a bad thing, but I

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think that kind of lends itself to
the idea that Nico wants size, rebounding,

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interior presence at both ends of the
floor, physical toughness, guys with

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a bit of an attitude, a
bit of an edge. In Derek Lively

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and Daniel Gafford, and then in
PJ. Washington. You know, he's

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this guy that has relatively plus size
and length for a power forward, and

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he's much more of a not interior
score in the way of like only around

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the rim, but he can shoot
twos. He can operate from the mid

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range and pull up and knock down
floaters and stuff. He's not specifically and

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kind of almost exclusively a three point
shooter in the way that some of the

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wings that they've targeted in recent years
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think we're learning more about Nico's vision. I think these moves kind of reflect

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that they want again physical physical toughness
and size in the middle, and then

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on the perimeter, they want guys
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just like kind of like a niche
specialist players that can only shoot threes,

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that can only do X, y
or Z. You know, he wants

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kind of length and versatility on the
perimeter to compliment Luca and Kyrie. It

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is Bobby Corilla from mav Studio forty
one, Dallasmavs dot Com. I thought

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that this trade wreaked a couple of
things. I thought there's a little bit

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of desperation to it and that we
need to fix things fast, which I

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agree with getting aggressive, but also
I think it's got this kind of less

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like here's some a list celebrities coming
in to fix the thing like Kyrie,

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and more of like a good deep
run, playoff balance type of feel to

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it. Are you feeling the same
way, yeah? I mean, you

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know, they they really needed to
address a couple key weaknesses. They needed

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more size in the middle, they
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they needed to create not just like
a not a hierarchy in the sense of

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like you have Luca and Kyrie and
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they needed to create a sense of
rotational hierarchy because over the last few months,

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you know, injuries have really played
this team. Of course, guys

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have been in and out of the
lineup, and that includes Luca and Kyrie

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unfortunately at various times. But we've
seen time and again like when one guy

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is out, it throws the whole
rotation into chaos. You know, Grant

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Williams, I think they acquired Grant
Williams with the belief that he would be

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kind of a power forward or a
small forward. He spent most of his

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time with the MAVs playing small ball
five, which is not the position that

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he's meant to play, but he
had to do that because Derek Lively was

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hurt, Maxi Kleeba was out,
and so like the whole thing was just

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kind of in disarrayed. But by
getting gaffered, now they have a very

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established pecking order at the center position. They got Lively, they got gaffered,

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they got Dwight Powell, and then
if they want to play small they

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can play Maxie at the five.
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everything. And also, by the
way, PJ Washington can play the five

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as well. And then the carryover
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I assume he's going to be your
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not going to be kind of a
Grant situation where they try it and it

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doesn't work out. You know,
so PJ will be your four. MAXI

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Kleeb is your backup, and then
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or Luke out there, or you
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So it was really important for them
to have more depth but also more

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just like playable guys that are natural
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I think another surprising element about this
trade deadline was that, you know,

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and this is no slight to Grant
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good player, but he just didn't
really fit here. The fact that they

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were willing to move on from that
move so quickly, given what it took

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to get him this summer, you
know a lot of gms or coaches or

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whatever will say like, no,
we got to give this guy a chance.

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They identified that it didn't work.
They recognize that by trading away Grant

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they could get a better fit for
what they were looking for. It went

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out and did it, So you
know, that takes a level of kind

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of a level of guts and moxie
to say like, yeah, this move

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that I thought would work, it
didn't, and I'm not gonna waste any

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time. You know, I'm gonna
go try and upgrade. Regardless. You

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brought up Grant Williams and you said
maybe not the best fit here. So

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that have to do with the on
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of sources, SI reported on one
saying that he was kind of a locker

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room rub, like his personality was
becoming a bit too much for the team.

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Is that something that you were aware
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it something you could speak to?
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that, to be totally honest.
I mean, it seemed like in Boston,

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like everybody liked him. You know, obviously, every team is different,

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every culture is different and stuff,
so you know, I can't really

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speak to it. However, I
did play chess against Grant Williams and that's

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on the Maps YouTube channel, and
he seemed like a real wonderful guy.

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So go check out that video and
help us defeat the algorithms. But I

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can definitely talk about that uncourt fit. And you know, unfortunately, with

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Grant being like, you know,
six five six six and not the super

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longest guy, whenever you're playing next
to Kyrie and Luca, you know,

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Luca's got pretty good size, but
he's not like the strongest, fastest dude

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in the world. And Kyrie obviously
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the MAVs were already very small in
terms of height and length and just like

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uh girth strength whenever they got Grant, and then you're playing this guy who's

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like kind of an undersized four or
even at times again like an undersized five,

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and the maps were just so small, you know, they they just

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they did not have the height necessary
to bang against these bigger teams. I

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mean, even like Aaron Gordon and
Pascal Siakam. Now these are two really

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really good players, you know,
all star caliber players, but they would

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just eat up the maps every single
time they played, and they just they

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needed more size, particularly at the
four spot. And so you know,

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the on court fit in terms of
height and skill set just wasn't quite there.

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I also think they needed a little
more. They needed a little more

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verticality, a little more athleticism to
complement the way that Luca and Kyrie like

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to play, and and PJ represents
upgrades in that department too, So I

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think just all around, I mean, and this is all projection. You

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know, maybe it doesn't work out, but I think that PJ will be

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a better fit with the way the
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But we'll see. And also,
you know, we know now if the

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fit isn't there, they have no
problem moving on very quickly. So I

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mean they they definitely feel the burden
of like expectation and pressure to get this

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thing right for sure. Bob,
you hit him with the English opening or

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the Scandinavian defense, the Queen's gambit. Who won that chess match? Ah,

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yeah, you know it was I
won. I hit him with the

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modern defense. I played with the
black pieces, so I played. I

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played one G six if you're a
big chess chess guy, my bishop,

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and I was able to take him
down in a very close endgame. I

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can concur Mikey just moments ago in
a handful of pills and has been staring

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at the sea looking at imaginary chess
boards. That's right, that's exactly what

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I did to prepare for the match
too. And you ran him straight out

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of town. I want to ask
you something about it. I don't know

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if it touches this stuff, because
yeah, we did. It's funny a

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guy gets run out of town.
And you know, we were all kind

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of looking at Grant Williams, like, come on, let's go, where's

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that? You know, is he
gonna figure it out? But then you

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know, you hear what Danny mentioned, and then you hear that, oh

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he stopped wearing Luca's shoes. He
switched to the tatums and the little thing

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like that. But it led to
us asking the question, who's who runs

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the vibe of the Mavericks locker room. We assumed Luca would have a big

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role in that. Kyrie maybe is
a quiet, lead by example type guy

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or is it just sort of the
conglomerateive dudes that have been here a while,

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Luca and Hardaway and Maxie Even and
Dwight. I mean, do you

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have a where's the buckstop? On
the vibe of the whole thing with the

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MAVs. I mean, that's a
really good question, because a couple of

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years ago, you know, this
team was kind of relatively younger, but

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Jalen Brunson was the vibes guy,
and then he leaves, and then last

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year, you know, I don't
know if Theo Pinson was like the guy

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given raw ross beaches in the locker
room, but he was definitely the guy

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that brought that had the biggest personality, you know, the loudest personality in

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the room. And now he's not
here either. So uh. You know,

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Luca and Kyrie are both you know, despite uh, despite how emotional

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luc he can get on the court
at times and how kind of fired up

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he can get, they're both pretty
laid back guys. I don't think that

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they're gonna gonna stand up and talk. You know, Tim Hardaway does talk.

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Uh. He is a big,
fiery speech at halftime kind of guy.

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You know, He's he's been through
a lot and has seen a lot

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and has been a lot in a
lot of situations, and all of a

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sudden, now he's like thirty one
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whenever your two alphas openly talk about
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coach, I think that that means
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in the room, you know.
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on the sideline, and he might
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way that like Rick Carlisle or Donnie
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MAVs past were on the court,
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whether it's in the huddle of the
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I don't really know that Luca has
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do know that the kind of atmosphere
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very competitive and that play with a
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like Luca does. You know.
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yesterday certainly play with an edge,
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know, these guys haven't been in
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like combined in their careers, and
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they find themselves a couple games outside
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in a very very difficult playoff race
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that vocal leadership role for sure.
Love it all right, Bobby Corrala,

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thank you so much for your time. Be careful at work. It seems

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like every day a Maverick employee is
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binders or books or whatever the imminent
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should just preemptively wear the mask.
Wear the mask. I got like five,

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I got so many on deck,
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like you're wearing one of you sound
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restricted. I think it's smart.
Keep that mask. Go on all right,

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I will. I will thank you
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Thank you so much. Thank you
bye, Bobby. He's the best.

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Yeah, he's a great Dudeeah cool
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me kind of hate Hi. Yeah, I don't like anyone handsome. Mind

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your ben and skinning. The speakeasy
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you to win a TV sign up
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there TV. Yeah, seventy five
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yeah, you don't even You don't
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just sign up between ten and six. They're gonna draw the winter at six

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and then you could pick up the
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that's today, chalk tall I'll be
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us now in studio. Guest to
guest, here we go. Well,

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it's Joe Zavala from Zavala's Barbecue.
Tello. Joe, You're the hero of

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the day. How's it going there? He is? He wore a cape

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in here, helew in. That's
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The timing wasn't perfect because he comes
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the segment starts. But we had
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had to brace myself on the table, so I was losing strength in my

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lower body, knee weakening. Delicious
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Man? How you go to you
about the AAC? Right, you guys

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are in the AAC. Yes,
we are in the AAC. We're at

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Section one twenty one for every American
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all of it, all the contents. Great, yeah, good for you

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guys. Man. We started that
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partnership with American Airlines and Levy.
How does something like that come to fruition?

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I mean, are you so you
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yet So we're actually located on Brisket
and Maine in downtown Grand Prairie. There's

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no other Brisket Street in the world
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you guys are there. How does
that work? How do you get your

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way into the AAC. Do you
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that is kind of running point on
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firm that we pay millions and millions
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we have that kind of money.
Now I'm just playing right. We were

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really fortunate about three years ago chef
on Dress they created this local thing where

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they wanted celebrity chefs to come out
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couple of MAVs games when they did
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so that was really cool. We
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farm and then we did it again
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two years ago, and then we
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playoff runs last year and just built
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and also with the levy that runs
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know, they really wanted to focus
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a center and the MAVs and Stars, and there was an opportunity to do

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that and it happened really quickly.
And talk a little bit about where and

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how your your beef is sourced.
Because I'll be honest, I had one

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bite of the end of that brisket
and there's something different about it. There

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is something that just feels and tastes
like an elevated amount of quality. It's

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not you. You're not ripping these
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When we first started, we did
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in our backyard. This is unique, dude, there is something interesting going

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on here. Yeah, so we're
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beef. It's out of Cameron,
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antibiotics, no hormones, and it's
really cool because they only process about two

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hundred cattle a week and that's you
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That means there's four hundred briskets and
we get about one hundred of those briskets,

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so we get about twenty five percent
of the whole allocation in the world

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of this beef. And you can
get it at Zaval's Barbecue, but we

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also serve it during the games for
the MAVs and Stars. Section one twenty

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one. Okay, I do recommend
you go to Zavallas or if you're at

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the AAC And yes, I do
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there you do. Also, I
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Well back, sound like you know, I'm making chicken and really like that.

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Yeah, it's like this is I'll
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the spice of one trying to be
like healthy during the weekend. So I

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wish I did call it the bird
rub because it's in our turkey. It's

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my son's favorite thing. Heats turkey
talking as we named Actually we got a

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dog back in August. We name
it turkey Taco. We use a bird

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rub, but I use it.
It's a really all purpose rub. We

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use it on steak, we use
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season for it. And I'm telling
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world. There's a little bit of
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and it's good. Yeah. I
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Sometimes I heard it's just like an
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in my cabinet all the time.
It's great. You're fascinated in the barbecue

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wars, and I don't you don't
have to name anyone, but let's start

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some drama, like a nemesis in
your head that you think of when I

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ask you somebody you want to take
down and you can say it if you

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want. I don't know, but
man, that would be really cool.

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I wish I did, because we
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you know, it makes it a
lot more fun, especially because as we

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know, text barbecue's the best barbecue
in the world. Everybody wants to be

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But you know, maybe so we
have this thing called bbqdis shrow dot com

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where we have twenty of the top
fifty barbecue joints, sire and text monthly.

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We're one of those where we sell
their rubs online and we do content

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with them. Maybe I can stir
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a bracket of competitors and have everybody
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could be a lot of fun.
But it seems like a real competitive world.

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it might be a lot like the

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craft beer world, where you want
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also behind the scenes, you know, all the people that are doing it,

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and you're probably pretty cool with each
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know, it's no matter what industry, and it's really hard, right and

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especially like when you're dealing barbecue or
craft beer, craft barbecue, Like you

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know what goes into you know,
the level effort, you know the sacrifice

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you have to make for it,
and at the end of day, you

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just want everybody to be able to
pay their bills. Rure. But yeah,

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like you know, we I'm not
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want to have the best barbecue in
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I do know there's other barbecue joints. I'm like, damn, that's some

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good stuff there. Yeah, yeah, much respect to them, right,

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you can go anywhere in a big
city and nine times out of ten there's

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at least three to four unbelievable barbecue
joints that are giving you that barbecue that

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you're looking for. Where ten years
ago it was kind of hard to be

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able to find that good barbecue.
You used to have to get in the

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car, drive down the snows or
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trip. That's awesome, man,
that's awesome. JJ's mike was on laugh

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she was laughing at you. I
think she was watching TikTok and giggling.

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Hard to choose, nothing to giggle
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That's hard to choose. What you're
like, which one's your baby?

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Yeah? So we're known for our
brisket, as you should be. Yeah,

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you know one of those things in
Texas. It's like, you know,

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you got to have great brisket.
But what's really cool about our brisket

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is you can see our brisket,
you can taste our brisket. And he

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noses of all his brisket because we're
so heavy on the pepper. We use

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four cups of a twelve mesh black
pepper to one cup salt, so we

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punch you in the face with a
pepper, but it mellows out while it's

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smoking. Uh. And that's the
thing I'm most proud of. But I

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really do think we have the best
turkey in Texas. Our turkey is amazing.

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It's I had a bite of that
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wait to jump into the Boudan brisket. Yeah, yeah, so, Jordan

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Jackson, my mentor out of East
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we utilize any of the whole briskets
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down with bell peppers, onions,
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up, have some juice in it, and we case it up and it's

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just it's Unbelievable's one of our best
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better than the combination or the blending
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so good, Joe, thanks for
coming up. Break already, go go,

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go, go late. We're just
gonna cram some food. Everyone can

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find you. And Grand Prairie of
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Grand Prairie on Brisket of Maine,
and you can follow us on all socials

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at Zavala's Barbecue or you can find
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action. Just swing back, get
some barbecue again. All right, thank

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you so much for coming up,
Joe. We appreciate it. Joe,

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thank you so much. Thanks,
we got birthdays, talk back, so

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much stuff and the final segment of
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