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So my kids are just started spring break as well, right, no,
mine, this is their last week. Oh they're off the first week
at April. Oh oh okay, this is their last week of school.
So mine aor off this week. They had Friday off, so a week
ago, and then they've had all this week off and then they also Monday
off. Jesuise. Yeah, but it's really cute, like Xander has friends,
and I feel like Xander is living his childhood now because it's really cute.
He has these friends that live in walking distance, like a short walk
away, which he's never had in the past because the schools that we've gone
to have always been what they call commuter schools, which we still go to
one that's a little bit far. But it just so happens that some kids
live like five blocks from us, so they run around to each other's house.
They're always like walking places. And then had lyleyle Crocodile came over the
other day and he slept over kid is such a freaking sweetie. I want
to buy him as it's it's always funky because obviously his mom, like is
works a minimum wage job. I've told you before, she works her but
off. She is such like a rock star of a like does everything she
can for her kids, but like she doesn't have money, like she has
to pay She doesn't really get a ton of assistants these days because she's working
full time. But she works at a nursing home and she makes minimum wage.
So there are things that Lyle Isle Crocodile would love I'm sure would love
to do, and opportunities he would love, but like she can't pay for
that, And he's very He's so the opposite of any kind of a moocher,
Like anytime you do anything nice for the kid, he's always like thank
you so much, Like he never asks for anything, you know, which
makes you just want to buy him stuff. I just want to buy him
stuff. But then I also I don't want her to feel I don't want
his mom to feel bad, but like I know, she just like appreciates
everything. And I don't know if I ever followed up last time about when
everybody chipped in money for her Christmas. Oh my god. I gave it
to her at the school concert her kid was performing in that. She was
so proud and she always she's like a mom who of course works full time
has two kids, but will always try to come and help at events and
be like how can I help, you know, And I gave her the
money. She started crying, and then I know she gave her kids.
The kids told me later that she like bought them gifts and you know,
like made a really nice Christmas for them, so she really appreciated that.
But anyway, Xander's like having all these plans for like the neighborhood kids but
plus Lila Crocodile, and they want to It was really really cute. Xander
was like, Mom, like I really want to go to six Flags,
but like Lyle, you know, can't, like he can't ask his mom
to buy him like a pass, and I was like, of course,
yes, like say no, like you know what, you get it right,
and then I'm just like just tell him to tell his mom not to
worry about it and like get him a pass. And then she's He's like,
well, do you think we could get a season pass, which,
by the way, are not that much more money than like, if you
pay to go to six Bugs for one day, it's like eighty bucks.
If you buy a season pass, it's like one hundred and twenty. It's
not that much more, ok, and then you can go the rest of
the year. And he was like, do you think we could get him
like a season pass? He was like, I'll chip in for it.
Ah, isn't that so sweet? Very sweet? But anyway, so they
were hanging out like they hang out with a big group of them, and
then Xander and Lyle made a freaking a fort in our living room. How
adorable is that? Like they went into the linen closet and got like blankets
and stuff, and he took the dining room chairs and I put them and
they made a giant fort. And then they made themselves some like Trader Joe's
like frozen, like someone says, brought it in the fort. And then
they watched TV. They made an opening because it was like in our living
room sort of in front of the TV, so they made an opening in
it and then watch TV like that. I love that. That's the best.
And then later that night we oh, then Lyle uh, he had
slept over the night before, so this was like they'd spent like two full
days together. So they were together the whole day before. Then he slept
over. Then they spent the day together, running around and walking everywhere and
hanging out with the other kids in the neighborhood. And then they to relax.
They made the fort and then I had to drive Lyle home. And
then Xander was like, Mom, I'm really tired. Can I just sleep
in the fort tonight and then I'll take it all down tomorrow. And I
was like, okay. I was like, are you nine? That's cute?
And it was the freaking kids thing. I should have taken a picture.
Yeah, And he had the couch cushions like in the fort as like
a little bed, and then he was sleepy. He slept and slept in
there. How cute is that he's sixteen? I think that's adorable. I
would love that. I love that. I don't feel like I don't feel
like he had friend Like a lot of that's at the younger age. We
were always struggling for, like, right, where do we put this kid
in school? Like that's true, I remember, you know, and he
was now he's changing a lot around that age. And some kids were not
as cool, right, and now he's got like a ton of gang and
ends and that's awesome and he's like being a kid. Yeah, I love
that. I me's so happy. Yeah, I get it. I totally.
I would love that. It's the best and all, you know,
it's true, like he's now, you know, it's a different scene.
You know, they're getting he's getting older. But he's got like these friends.
And it's so much easier when you can just go and walk and see
your friend or just have your friend spend the night and just hang out for
a few days. Then ye have to like make plans and try and get
who's going to drive us, and where are we going and whose house are
we hanging out at the whole thing. But it's it's so much easier when
they're close by. Because I had the same growing up. I I my
house, I lived in West Hills, and I went to the Magnet School
in Van Eyes, right, and everybody was busted in from all over.
The only friend we had was my friend Pam, who lived up the street
on Encino. Everybody else came from all different parts of the city and it's
hard, you know. Yeah, so when you go to a school like
that, and if you don't live near your friends, it's tough. Yes,
yeah, this is the first time. And also Xander is a lot
like Sunny and that he likes. He he's always walking. So the other
day he's did nine miles on his you know the thing that you can check
right right miles on your phone. It's called not a fitbit, but it's
on your phone. Yeah, yeah, he wrote he did twenty thousand steps
and went like nine miles. The other day. He just walks and walks
and walks and walks. They all walk back and forth to what I call
the Bermuda Triangle, which is basically like there's a target, a CVS on
opposite sides of the street, Like to the right there's a target and like
a Western bagel. Across the street there's a CVS. On the other side
there's like a Michael's and a Chili's. And so they do they can kind
of live their whole day right in that area. And then they walk back
and then they walk to the other friend's house, and then they walk back
to our house and then they go right. It's so nice. Yeah,
it's nice. And Sandy had her friend her little friend over. I say
little because she's short. They're both like short. It's really cute. She
has like a bunch of girl friends and they're all small. That's so funny.
It's really funny. They all look young and they you know, I
had to I have to drive them because they're you know, princesses, right,
but like they're going thrifting and like everybody's so busy. Yeah, it's
just really nice. And now they're planning their six Flags trip and that's great.
Yeah, all kids go to six Flags on spring break. It's so
funny, especially at that age. Yeah, they love they love six Flags.
Luckily, a lot of kids don't get out until next next week,
so hopefully it'll be won't be super packed, right right. Yeah, And
then I have one thing that I want to tell you update you. Yeah,
I feel like I feel like she wouldn't mind me telling you this,
but for Sadie, so you know, and you've had this too with your
kids a little bit. But Sadie has had some like learning challenges, right,
and we just don't it's hard to know what it is. It's like
I think Sadie suspects she has some ADHD. You know. I know,
I do. I know John does not officially diagnosed, right, but it's
she says she has trouble focusing. But she has doctors that are like,
well, the results when we give her, administer her a self test and
what I've written about how I see her, They're like, the results are
very borderline. I can't prescribe medicine for that without knowing she has it.
But it would require more in depth testing. Well, anybody that's dealt with
this kind of testing for like processing stuff for ADHD. It's so expensive.
Now. She tested at school, but it was a couple of years ago
and it was kind of inconclusive. And I think it's because I don't know.
I don't think it was the most professional testing. I think they tested
her and they came up with borderline, so they gave her accommodations. They
gave her five oh four, so she gets accommodations. But her doctor was
like, I think you need to test her again and really get to the
bottom of what this is. I was like, well, this testing,
they don't take insurance and they charge like eight thousand dollars. Oh my god,
Oh yeah, it's that much. Oh it's crazy how much these places
charge. It's definitely even if you find a lower priced option, it's definitely
thousands of dollars right, which is just like in my mind, I'm always
thinking, okay, but what do you actually get out of that, because
it's just going to ask that so and I'm sure people right now are yelling
at their phone or however they're listening to this with like all the reasons why
you should know this and what you can and I do understand that, and
I talk to this place. Here's the spoiler alert. My doctor gave me
the name of a place that she said takes insurance. And I was like,
well, that's too good to be true because they say they take insurance,
but then you know, our deductible is so high that they're going to
be like, well, yeah you can. It takes insurance, but once
you reach your thirteen thousand dollars deductible, we're happy to like pay eighty percent.
Yeah. I'm like, well that's never gonna happen, okay, But
I called this place. I was fully cynical. I was like, I
don't know my doctor. My daughter's doctor said that you guys take insurance,
and they're like, yeah, we do. Then they had this psychologist call
me, ask me all these questions about Sadie, which I answered, and
she was like, yeah, she seems like a really good candidate for this.
And we would test for this and this and this and processing and sensory
processing and here's some things that mimic that can look like ADHD but that aren't,
but that she could also have ADHD and and I was like, all
right, but like, do you really take insurance And she's like, yeah,
we're in network for your insurance. Wow, But then I did.
I was like, okay, but say I put her through all this testing
and say you do come up with something, Say it's a sensory processing.
There's no medication for that. She's like, no, there isn't, but
there's but there are therapies, and it's better if you know what you're dealing
with, so you know what therapies to use, and also then you do
know not to treat it with ADHD meds. And also there are a lot
of accommodations that she could get at school, and I was like, but
she already gets some. Her school's very cool about that, like whatever she
needs, and she's like, yes, but they might not be the accommodations
that will actually help her, Like you might have accommodations of like she can
take longer to turn in an assignment, but what she really might need is
her to get the notes. It might be too hard for her to take
notes if she's having a delay, like the information comes in and she can't
write down the notes quick enough. She might need and that is provided for
in accommodations. A lot of kids have that, but you might not know
you need that unless you me. And I was like, oh, in
my mind, I'm like, okay, but it's still better be free,
you know. And then I called my insurance company and basically it is really
fifty dollars deductible cope for all of it. Well, I got to get
the name of this place. Yes, I will give it to you.
Yeah, that's crazy. In fact, I'll just tell you if you're in
if you're in La in the valley, it's called it's called hold on a
second, it's is good information. Yeah, it's called Diagnostic and Counseling Center.
That's literally what it's called if you google it, diagnostic and Counseling Center.
And I've told a bunch of my friends and they're like Jesus Christ,
where was that place? Right when I was trying when I put my kids
through testing, right, I mean, you know, I'm just trying.
I'm trying to get Sunny in Italia set up for college, like so that
they can you know, Italia just send me an email this morning that she
talked to her accounselor at school. There's some email that's going to be coming
to me about getting the IEP for Santa Barbara, so that she it's you
know, set up for that saying for Sonny. So but you're right,
maybe they need different types of accommodations, like right, because they were tested
at school, but you know, nobody really knows, like yeah, maybe
they got ADHD no not an official for Sonny, yeah, you know whatever.
And it's like so they there does need to be a I would think
full more you know, in depth testing and really get a good assessment of
what we're dealing with. Like they say, knowledge is power. Yeah,
And they have several people. I think they have like different specialties at this
place. So it's not like I think at school, like one psychologist does
all the testing, right, and it's like, m I don't. I
just don't know if they have the capacity because they have so many kids they
have to test right to do what like a place that's all they do,
right, Yeah, yeah, it makes sense. I know. I'm kind
of excited. And then Hurt. Sadie's doctor was like the only problem is
they take insurance. But because of that, they're really busy and there could
be like you might have to wait months for it, but guess what,
No, they have opening like early next month. Wow. Yeah for both.
It's like two sessions of testing. It's an intake that it's just just
John and I hop on a zoom and do that for an hour. Then
the testing that involves her is two days, two hours a day, and
then there's a session where they tell us the results. That's great, make
their recommendations. Wow. Yeah, well I love that. I know I
might have to get a hold of them. I was. It was like
really good news. I was super excited. It's nice because I was so
cynical about it. I told John, and then I was getting kind of
mad because I'm like, yeah, this is just a racket and I end
up paying thousands of dollars just to find out she doesn't have fucking ADHD.
And I was like, oh, we just don't. I mean it's crazy,
it's crazy. And then John was like, one step at a time,
let's check into this place. And I was like, they're not going
to actually take insurance and they do. That's awesome. Boom boom. Well
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so we were going to talk about Ruby Frankie. Oh my god, this
story is so disturbing, it's crazy, and uh I was I was been
following it a little bit, like I've been hearing bits and pieces of the
story. There was a Nightline story on it which I watched. That's what
got my attention. I was like, how come we're not talking about this?
This is crazy, this is right up our alley. I know we
should have been talking about this when it first came out, right, and
I kept forgetting about it. But then I'm but then, like I've been
going on YouTube a lot, watching like court cases. It all started with
the Crumbly trial, but now I'm like looking at all this other stuff.
But Ruby Frankie's, you know, like her arraignment hearing. Also when they
her and that other wreck Jody Ough, she disgusts me. They both pled
not guilty. I mean they both pled guilty, right, so there was
no trial. She's trying to be like this hero that's like, well,
I pled guilty because I don't want to put my kids through a trial.
Really, you don't want to put your kids through something. So for anybody
that doesn't know, do you know about this, Caitlin No, I just
googled it real quick, so I saw some headlines, but I don't really
know. So they it's this vlogger. Yeah, she was a vlogger,
Ruby Frankie, who had a vlog called eight Passenger. Yea right, yeah,
so she had all these she has all these kids. She's Mormon.
She was a mommy blog blog vlogger, mommy vlogger. Yeah, so the
thing who it turns out has mental illness. Yeah, but got all these
followers. She's super cute. Yes, she looks just like a Mormon suburban
housewife mom six kids, I think they yeah, right, because so mom
and dad that is eight mm okay. And she had like the traditional Mormon
values to like housewife and you know, and and people. She you know,
had millions of followers at one point she's make it a ton of money.
But the thing that really fucks these Mormons fox or shut up, yeah,
is they they they write everything down, like stop journaling everything. You
know. It was cold too. The Susan you know, the guy that
killed his wife and the kids, you know, not the kids, killed
his wife and then ended up burning the house down with the kids. Yes,
yeah, Susan whatever her name, Yeah, we know that case.
I have my forgetting her name. Susan Powell Powell, right, the Powells.
God, my man, there, that's right, they were Mormon too,
So a lot of these cases that you hear about on the dateline and
the forty eight hours, like these people be writing down what they're doing.
They're journaling. Both ways, it's bad because it's bad for the guy if
the woman is writing down like yeah, I think my husband might try to
kill me if I end up dead, right, And then it's also bad
for the people that are doing bad ship that are writing down like yeah,
I think I might want to kill my wife, right. You know.
But so this woman Ruby was doing that but also documenting her disciplining her children,
and at the at the beginning, I think thought it was sort of
funny. Oh yeah, yeah, like she would say, like, you
know, he didn't clean his room or something, so he didn't get dinner
last night. Right. It started like very innocuous, a little bit of
here and there like oh you people were like right, or his great because
like like her five year old, like the school calls and says, you
know, she doesn't have a lunch. She forgot her lunch. Well,
too bad, she forgot her lunch, which yeah, well she was supposed
to make her lunch for herself, so you know, and then was like
nobody give her food. Right, She was like, don't let anybody share
their food with her, which that made the that kind of pricked up school's
ears a little bit. Like people started to be like and I think that
they had child Protective Services called on them a few times, yes, before
anything happened. And she was married to this guy who was a typical Mormon.
I don't know dude, husband, but I guess. Oh. Also,
while she was doing her vlogging, she did start saying like things like,
you know, her son didn't get a bedroom. He didn't have a
bed to sleep in for the last nine months, he's been sleeping on the
floor whatever. But they would all laugh about it. They would laugh about
it, like and he even the kid would even be like, yeah,
I had to sleep on a bean bag for a year, right, But
people watching her show were like mortified and like concerned and doing welfare checks on
this family. But then I guess the husband and wife started having issues.
Well okay, so yeah, so the wife found that the husband had like
looked at porn, right, which this led to a discussion with me and
my friend the other day, like it wasn't and she convinced him that he
had a porn problem, as he looked at porn just because he looked at
it. So then she had this woman Jody, her friend who's like a
who's really fucking crazy nuts nuts, who's like became their counselor and was like,
yeah, he's got a porn addiction. Kick him out of the house.
He's out dangerous, right, She's having mental Ruby's having mental issues.
The woman Jody is is like mentally ill. So they get rid of it.
They convince him that he's like a danger to be in the house,
and they sent they get rid of him, get rid of him, and
he doesn't see the kids for a year, right, and she moves in
with this. Ruby moves in with Jody. They lived together, they did,
or did the kids because I thought the kids were sometimes over at Jody's
house. I think that they were living together, right, because when they
raided that they raided Hildebrand's house and Ruby had a bedroom and that's where they
found her journal where she was living that she was living there. Yeah.
I watched his interview of his his interrogation interview the husband. Yeah, and
he moved out and she, well, she moved in with them. At
first, she was living with the two of them and their kids in this
house, and then she convinced him that he's the problem. He needs to
move out. So now it's her and Ruby and the two teens. There's
also two older teenagers that are still underage, but they're teenagers. They were
not at the house the day they got raided. And then there's also the
older one who was in college, yes, who who had also called the
police. She kept she freaking called the police, not just child Protective Services,
but she was like, somebody needs to go check out on these because
they're apparently not getting food. Right. So they had the two older kids
guy, the boy and a girl off to college. Then they had teenagers
that were at somebody else's house because they got picked up that day to,
by the way, go clean somebody's house. That was why they were at
this lady's house. She's like, I just picked them up and I know
them, and I'm having company come and they said that her mom said that,
yeah, they can come clean my house. So I picked them up
from camp or whatever wherever they were, and so they were at this woman's
house and they also went to that house and raided that house and like put
that woman in a police car, but turned out that she had nothing.
She didn't know what was going on anyway, back at the compound where they
you know this, And again she's starting to make a ton of money.
She's got like millions of followers and they and they do all these like celebrations
every time they get more followers. She's starts to get like obsessed with the
fame of it all. And we're going to get more and more followers and
like, oh my god, we're going to have a party because we have
this many followers. Yes, and people should be following the the the teachings
of Jody Hildebrand, like this is how you're supposed to raise kids. They
should be you know, disciplined in this way. And so she was,
you know, she was just like now being like it was like a little
bit of a cult with Jody, and she was just it was just Ruby
following Jody's you know, uh, you know philosophy on how to raise kids,
right, which was crazy. And she also quit her eight Passengers show
and she started just doing a show on YouTube with her and Jody called something
Yeah, and Jody, I don't know if we mentioned this, Jody's like
a therapist. Yeah, she's a license. JODI's doing couples counseling for them
and doing counseling for other people. I don't know if she eventually quit and
only was with Ruby. I'm guessing there's a reason, because I'm Ruby was
making a ton of money, and I think she saw, oh, I
could make a lot of money off of Ruby. She already started this.
She's got this platform, right, so let me get in on this.
She is like a cult leader because she convinced the husband who apparently did not
have a porn problem, he just looked at porn, right, which find
me, find me a guy who's never who doesn't look at porn, right,
Galen. Not that I even want to meet that guy, because that
guy sounds that healthy, But I'm just saying, Kay, I don't think
every guy looks at porn. Yeah, I'm not saying they're they're not going
and dating the porn start, right, that's they like something like if you
even watched porn for ten seconds, right, you have an addiction? Right,
Yeah, there's something very very wrong with you and you're dangerous and you
can't be your own kids. Right. And he believed it, Yes,
and he was you know, trying to work on himself, right and trying
to work on getting back together his wife, but yet hasn't seen the kids
or his wife in a year, right, so he's off. So now
it's just these two nut jobs in charge of these little kids, especially the
two young ones who are apparently starved, malnourished. Well. So, yeah,
so things took a dark turn, yea at some point, darker turn,
right, because they'd been complained about the older daughter had called the police
before, but nothing had been done about it because they just didn't have proof.
I had no proof. So while during that last portion, they started
like actually horribly abusing the kids, like because I think Ruby got very mentally
ill, because did you read some of the stuff where she was basically saying
that her kid was a demon? Yes, and she was trying to get
the demon out of her, right. She thought our kids were like possessed,
right, right, and then she was starving them, keeping them locked
in a room in handcuffs. Yeah, I mean it was and she thought
starving there was a witch hunt against her, the devil was after her or
it was something like that. And then even Jody Hildebrand said in one of
her prison phone calls like well, like comparing herself to like a disciple,
like well, I guess that's what happens, like yeah, I get arrested
and put in jail at you know, she's Jesus, yes, like I'm
this is what this is how Jesus was, and this is my journey,
right, you know, sacrifice myself right to make sure that these kids get
free from the demon. Right. Oh yeah, So so Ruby thinks her
kids are possessed, possessed. She's horribly abusing them. She's getting no food
and no water, no, and then she even like she makes them spit
water out of their mouth, like if the member when the kid was brushing
my teeth and then she was like spit out the water, spit out the
water. She wouldn't let them, right, So she was trying and she
was trying to kill them. There were yes watching them in the shower,
making sure that they wouldn't drink the water from the shower. Huh. I
mean, just mental insane crazy. So somehow too, I mean, somehow,
this little boy, the little boy gets out. He's a younger one.
I think the girl's twelve, and he's like yeah, I think nine.
Yeah, it's the other way around. I think, well, maybe
he might have been twelve. Yeah, he's twelve. So somehow he gets
out of the handcuffs, I believe, and I think because he was when
he was bound, he had tape on him. He was taped up,
yes, but he was so emaciated that I think he pulled his arm out
of the handcuff. But yeah, he got out of the handcuffs. He
gets out of his house. He goes to a hot on hot dam.
He just says, he knocks at the door. He knocks at one door.
They have him on video surveillance. He knocks at one door and nobody
comes to the door. Then he goes to another house and he knocks at
the door, and this man comes out and he's like, can I help
you, son? And he's like can I help you son? And he's
like, I need you to do me two favors. One call the police.
He goes actually, just just I know, he's not so funny.
I'm so cute. Oh my god, here breaking. Then did you hear
this this part right where the guy is like holy shit. He he brings
them in. He's like, okay, come and tell me you have a
seat down. Tell me, what's going on? And then the kid tells
him I haven't eating or whatever, and he's like freaks out. The guy's
like calls the police. He's like, I've got this little boy here.
He's got tape hanging on him, he's emaciated. He says he hasn't had
any food or water. I need the police, right, you know,
you guys need to come, like h and he started crying. He started
crying. I know, I know. He was like, this kid needs
help bad. I don't know what's going on. I could not imagine.
And then uh, and then his wife comes out and you could see her
like on the ring camera. She's like feeding him and giving him water and
he's drinking and you know, and then the paramedics show up and they're like
brought to tears, like they're disgusted. One one of the women like she's
like, I'm about to cry like when she saw the kid. I mean,
because not only did he have duct tape around his ankles and wrists,
he had like saran wrap that was rubbing on his skin. You could see
it. It was like just it was all scabbed and bloody and whatever.
It was just horrible, horrible and at one point this kid was outside,
had made to sit and sleep outside for days in one hundred and ten to
twenty degree heat. Yep, it was really really hot. This was in
August, by the way, when he escaped and he wrote a message in
rocks. Did you see that? It said he made a message with little
rocks that said something like going to jail. He was telling them like I'm
going to go to jail because they were telling him that he was a criminal.
He's going to go to jail, like they were brainwashing him. So
he's like, I'm just going to jail now, I'll call you later something
like that. He said, like going to jail now, call you later,
basically like I know you've been saying I'm going to jail or I'm like
a criminal. Well I'm just going to go take care of that now and
turn myself in. Yeah, He's probably like that would be a paradise,
yes, yes, like something wait to get to jail. Like he was
thirsty and hungry. He was trying to get food and water. So meanwhile,
when the police are now with the kid, he's like I got siblings,
yes, and then they're like oh no, right, so then they
go to the house and what like, nobody answers the door. Now then
she's there, so Jody Hildebrand answers the door, which she's got like two
phones in her hand. By the way, she knows what's going on because
she sees paramedics. She can't find the boy. He's missing. He escaped
right now. She's just got the little girl there, and I guess she
takes all the shackles off the girl and puts her in a closet and just
tells her to sit there. And the girl's just sitting there. So then
she sees there's there's a helicopter, there's ambulances, there's fire trucks, and
she knows the kid's gone and went to the neighbors and they're probably gonna be
knocking on her door any minute. She's got two phones in her hand and
she's on with her lawyer and they're like open up, police, open up,
and she opens up and she goes like, what I got I got
my lawyer on the phone yet, and they're like step outside, step outside,
like and then she does the the line that we love from the other
nut job Blonde that I can't think of her name, Broderic but no,
she does the whoa whoa, whoa whoa whoa Pam Smart, Pam Yeah,
no, Pam whatever, Pam Smart. I think it's the Pam Smart's the
other one that uh yeah, the one that on dateline that that and what's
her name? Did it? The actually oh whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa
yehoa yeah, well she does the whoa whoa because they're like step outside,
and they like pull her outside and she's like, I'm out with my lawyer.
Whoa whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. It's like good bitch, good
or good her, you know, like pull her out by our hair.
Uh so, yeah, she comes out. And then I just I watched
the I went online and watched the surveyor not the guy the cops camera on,
you know, while she's standing and she's just basically on the phone with
her lawyer and just standing out there, and and the lawyers like, what's
going on now? She goes nothing, they're raiding the house. And every
time he would talk, she goes, I'm standing with a cop right now,
just so you know, I'm standing with a police officer. He's like,
okay, well, don't say anything. Just wait until they're done.
She goes, Okay, I'm waiting. She's just on the phone for forty
five minutes, dead silence most of the time. How okay with your lawyer.
Let's take a quick break. Yeah, okay, we're back. Question
about you're a lawyer, which you are? Yes, Yes, I didn't
go to law school. Oh you don't have to. Apparently I watch a
lot of crime docs, as do I. Uh, you're a lawyer.
You've got this client who's massively abusing their kid. Like, how do you
how do you just go okay, don't say anything like I'm gonna protect you.
We're going to get you out of this. Like your whole job is
to get people out of heinous I don't know crimes. Yeah, I and
I don't think you're Are you allowed to be like, I'm not going to
represent you. That's disgusting. I don't think you can, right, because
everybody's entitled to a defense. Well, then at that point she got to
get a public defender if if her lawyer doesn't want to. So she's paying
big bucks to have this guy on retainer for forty five minutes, just sitting
there going what's going on now? Well, they're still raiding the house.
Okay, because think about it this way. She had to have already had
a lawyer. So this woman knows she's up to no good. That's right.
I think you're going to go sideways for her, right, Yes,
regular people don't just have a lawyer. Exactly. I don't have a lawyer.
I'm not expecting that any day I'm going to get raided. I'm not
thinking about, like, you know, defense, we don't have one that's
like going to pick up the phone, like I'd have to really think.
I'd have to call you and be like, is there anyway could I get
Mark Geragos's email address? And then you'd be like, well, I haven't
talked to him in a while. I am busy, has several podcasts,
And I'd be like, all right, well do you know fairly right?
Then I'd have to email them wait for somebody to email me back, and
I kind of need this is sort of an emergency. My house is being
raided. See ambulances out there coming for me, right, Yeah, I
wouldn't have somebody that would be like, oh, it's Stephanie Wilder Taylor calling
to answer this. Yeah, And he changed his flight. He was like
she's like, did you get your flight change? You're so you're coming right?
Yeah? Yeah, you like switched his travel he's on his way.
Imagine, I don't know, I know, so you obviously know you're up
to no good, right you know? Yes, come on, like busted
right there? Yes? Yeah, and that should be enough. You should
be able to take that to a jury. This bitch had a lawyer that
was able to change his flight just because the police were at her door.
Yet, like she was expecting it, right, she knew she had two
phones in her hands. She was They were almost killing these kids. There
was some one of the detectives that I listened to on whatever the forty eight
hours or whatever, was saying, I have no doubt in my mind that
if they hadn't been stopped, the kids would have died. Oh yeah,
that's what where? Oh yeah I saw him say yes, yes, yes,
Because they said in like her journal or something, that they were going
to drive. Their plan was to drive to California or somewhere in the desert
and just drop these kids off in the desert. Yeah, that's what one
of the that's what was her plan. Okay, But here's another thing that
I don't understand, like as if the whole thing isn't crazy enough, I
don't understand how you have a vlog like there are you have a million followers?
Isn't anybody like where are these kids? Like she's basically I think shaved
the head. Oh that girl? Yes, so like you know, it
was it was like they were dehumanizing, right right, So they were taking
away anything about They took away her hair and they just dressed her and like
I don't know, they took away her clothes. So so if you have
a vlog and your kids are no longer on it, right or like you
can't show them ever, aren't people going to be like where were you?
Where are the daughter and son? Right? Like your whole thing? Oh
maybe because they'd stopped, they say, not only doing her and Jody right
right right right right yeah? And your friend Jody's like, how did I
get hurt? I know? Yeah, I don't know. It's a crazy
story. So what's happening now? What's the update? Because you've been watching
the YouTube so right now? I mean they both pled guilty and the one
thing that somebody pointed out was when sentenced, yeah they did they get okay,
So Ruby went at her, you know, sentencing, she like took
responsibility. I think after having space away from Jody, She's starting to see,
wow, I was under the influence of somebody that was a nut job,
and I was buying into it, and I can't believe I did this
to my kids. So she took real, like full responsibility on herself,
right, full responsibility. Well, a lot of their like she did say,
like, I can't believe I did this. Those are my she said.
Like then she's like, but they think. I hope they go and
have a great life. Yeah, And then she's like I was they were
my ducklings, and I was their mama duck that's supposed to waddle them to
safety. This is what she saying, Like, give me a break.
She was already a narcissist. Oh absolute. I mean one of her first
thing on the phone with her husband, the first question was is it in
the news? Are we in the news? You know? And he's like,
I think there's at least of your worries right now. Yeah, you're
probably I'm not in the news, but you are like like just nars,
total narcissist. But then Jodie did not take responsibility. She was just like,
you know, then she eventually did when she realized that she's going to
jail, right, well, she did, she pled guilty, But the
way they somebody pointed out the differences in their speeches, like she apologized,
She's like, I love these kids. I don't want to ever hurt them.
But she never said it was because of me. You know, she
never said I did this, you know, I damaged these kids or whatever,
like she didn't take any responsibility where Ruby I guess took some responsibility or
whatever. They're both fucking horrible, horrible people like just and I don't know
how long they're going to jail for, but well I I remember that they
got like a life sentence, but then they all but then it was like,
but you have you have the possibility of parole after like like a crazy
short amount of time. Really yes, but you're going to be up for
parole in like ten years. Yeah. For Ruby, I think that Jody
got a harsher sentence. I think so, but she's still the one roll
after a certain like it's like it's oh, I think it was like,
you're going to jail for the rest of your natural life, but you have
the opportunity for parole to ten years. It was something where people were like,
dude, so she's going to get out of jail, and of course
immediately want to see your kids, right, and they're going to be so
screwed up from that. Yeah, hopefully that And I think the kids,
the guy, the dad's trying working on getting them their custody back. He
doesn't have custody there and foster, but he's working on it. That's the
That's what of the younger kids, of the two younger kids, Okay,
when they also have the two teens that are still under age. But they
looked I saw that video. They looked pretty normal. They didn't look like
they were starving. They looked, but they didn't speak. Well, maybe
they missed the you know, the last year or so of her real descent
into mental illness. Maybe they sort of escaped that. But weren't they worried
about their younger siblings. Didn't they know what was going on? I don't
know. It's it's un it's unclear if anybody knows. Yeah, it's a
really I mean, it's a sad case. It's just it's amazing that we
never talked about it. I feel like, there were a few times that
I meant too that I was like, we should talk about this too,
and then we didn't. We just but it's better that we did now because
it's result. Otherwise we would have been like, and then what happened?
And then how many kids? Does she? Yeah, we would have been
all over the place. Well, it reminds me of that other story of
like those the two moms, the lesbian moms who had all those kids and
then drove off a cliff. Remember the heart Heart I think was the hard
HRTs. Yeah, I mean that was a crazy story. Those kids were
kind of being abused and then they were and then the moms just ended all.
I mean, that's just a documentble yeah. Yeah, yeah, Well
there was a podcast about it, but it wasn't It wasn't great. It
didn't really tell you that much more information, right, there's a documentary though,
Yeah, there is. It's like broken Hearts or something like that.
Something Hearts. Yeah, Broken Hearts is that's definitely the name of the podcast
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is. They just let you listen to one and then you have to pay.
Really, go watch twenty twenty. Yeah, yeah, so annoying anyway,
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