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Yeah and now in our media chill
November twenty four, twenty twenty three,

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allegedly according to that thing we call
a calendar as I'm going live here,

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so we haven't been doing live shows
in over a week, uh here on

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o'ceelly dot com. But that's changing
and a lot of things are changing at

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o'celly dot com. It's gonna be
a lot of fun coming back from the

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Dallas trip. And I'm also gonna
make changes to to lineups, et cetera.

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A couple of people I had in
mind to do shows, maybe they're

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not going to do shows, but
that's okay. That leaves us up open

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open territory. We'll do some different
stuff with these other nights on the network,

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and it's gonna get weird. So
yeah, twenty twenty four, it's

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gonna be a different year. And
for starters, tell you what. This

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Friday night open mic where you can
call in three one nine, five two

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seven, five zero one six is
the number to call. I want you

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to join us. I want you
to join us with whatever you got.

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And I made a decision over this
weekend and I was away the last weekend,

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and that is that. Uh,
my opinion no longer matters on the

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Friday night show. I don't want
to get my opinion on this show.

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I want to focus on you guys
and let Bpete say whatever the hell he

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wants. Matter of fact, I
think Vpete needs a better co host than

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me. I would love for somebody
to step forward and become a co host

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with Vpte. I'll produce the show, no problem, It'll still be the

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same thing. I'll participate a little
bit. We can have fun with it.

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I would love for this to be
the bpeat show on Friday Nights,

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with whoever the hell has the guts
to be as co host. I would

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love to see that. And why
because I just learned a lot about this

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man because we made a trip thirteen
hours, twelve hours I don't know,

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something like that, depending on how
you wind your watch, because we changed

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time zones going from Georgia to Texas. He was with me at the JFK

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Lancer Convention and it was a lot
of fun. I was the MC.

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It wasn't as much fun as it
could have been because the MC ended up

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doing a lot of other work that
I didn't expect to do. I didn't

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take a lot of film, I
didn't wind up shaking a lot of hands.

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I wound up with b Pete sitting
at my merch table a lot and

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threw a tip cup on that sucker
and just said, you know what,

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make a donation and take something for
free. I swear to God that's what

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I did. But maybe we'll talk
about that, and you'll get a bunch

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of wrap up stories about it over
the next week or so or two weeks,

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as different people are coming. Larry
Hancock's going to join us next week

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and discuss the conference and other stuff. But tonight me and Bpte get a

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chance to talk about it. And
I'm telling you, I don't even want

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to give my opinion on this show
anymore. I want to get you,

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guys. I want to hear from
you, and I want to hear from

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new people, brand new people.
If we can, I would just love

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that. So let's get to it. Three one nine five two seven five

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zero one six. That's the number
to call. And I don't know,

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we might be losing some regular callers
as other excuse me for the sniffles.

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I'm not feeling well and be Pete's
about to tell you about that. I

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think three one nine five two seven
five zero one six. You know,

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I think we're gonna lose some of
our regular callers because they are now co

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hosts on other networks doing other things
and stuff and stuff and stuff. So

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it is what it is. What
are we gonna do? We got plenty

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of space for you listening out there. If you're hearing us live on the

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twenty fourth day of November twenty twenty
three, just let's see seven and a

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half minutes after eight pm Eastern.
Wherever you may be. Your time may

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vary, but the thing is,
if you're hearing us live, join in,

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step up. You want to be
a co host, Let's see what

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we can make that happen. But
at least be a caller. Three one

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nine five two seven five zero one
six BP. I already know how you're

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doing, but tell them how you're
doing well. I think I think I

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might have the culprit's name, and
if I do, them'll call his ass

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out here. I drove all the
way to Dallas to catch a damn cold.

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I either had a cold in four
years or more. Okay, if

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I wasn't expecting this. It snuck
up on top of me after we decided

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to take a walk through downtown Dallas
in the middle of the night to go

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get provisions for the hotel room and
end up getting sciatica off of this.

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So that goes on all weekend,
and then I come home to sneezing and

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coughing and nose running and feeling like
crap. And I do believe I found

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the culprit you mentioned to me,
the guy in the baseball cat. Yes,

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and it was it, the guy
that asked me for a copy of

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the Judith very Baker wanted poster.
You know what it may have been,

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because I think it was. Because
here is the smoking gun. Let me

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pull it up. Oh no,
that's sort of a copy of the thing.

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The other day. He sent me
a thank you today, and after

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you and I talked, I went
and checked to see if he ever wrote

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me back to say thanks. Not
only did he say thank you, but

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he confessed. Here are the bloody
details as soon as Yahoo will come up

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here. Now this is too bunny. The thing is this guy came up

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to us and said, you know, oh, look, I'm sick,

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but I'm gonna talk to you guys
for a couple more minutes. Because we

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were I didn't hear him say I'm
sick. If I had a swore to

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guy, I'd run him off.
I'd spit at him or something. This

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guy Bob Gerty and Bob I mean, and I will or whatever you got,

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I hope you get it. For
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is awesome. And I sent him. I sent him to one poster.

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He says he saved it. He
dragged out his old copy of Men Who

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Killed Kennedy the Lovefare. I knew
she was lying then, don't know how

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anyone believed her. I am still
sick with the respiratory infection that made me

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leave a day early. That's him. That is fast. Oh see,

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I told you this guy came to
the Okay, so we can't smoke in

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the We got to describe this hotel. We got a lot of things to

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describe here, and we also got
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the line already, so we're gonna
bring him in on a conversation soon.

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Geez. But anyway, three one
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got hawks on. Bob got us
both sick. He sent his his respiratory

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problem to North Carolina and Georgia simultaneously, god knows where else tags dude,

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he's problem, when up his ass? Guy? Okay, So there's this

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artsy, artsy hotel that we're in, which which which we end up running

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into Typhoid Bob. Bob is his
name, right, Okay? So Typhoid

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Bob meets us outside of the the
the extremely extravagant, you know, very

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artsy, uh, extremely polish,
uh, which I am never going back

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to the Lorenzo. I told them, I said, don't you ever hold

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this conference here again? It did
this? This hotel awful, this hotel,

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this is the brokest group of it. There's one hotel, okay,

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there's one Lorenzo Hotel. One,
No more than just one. Ye.

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These guys have name tags. They
have their name tag on it and it

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says where they're from. The guy
who can't speak English working in the bar

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is from Turkey. Okay. The
guy who wants, you know, you

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just want to punch him when he
tells you they won't take your card,

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He's from san Antonio. I pointed
out. I said, san Antonio.

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I says, you ta say San
Antonio. Yes it does. Oh,

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I was in San Antonio. Are
you with the hotel there? We don't

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have a hotel there. The why
the hell are you telling me from San

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Antonio. I don't give a damn
right anyway. Not tious bunch of bastards.

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That's that. That's at the beginning
of our arrival in Dallas. B

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Pizza is going to tell you about
the pretentious bunch of bastards. Jesus Lorenzo,

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you are to get there. You
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Thank god, there's only one,
supposedly, but I found out as

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part of a conglomerate unless you want
to make complaints, and then it's an

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individually managed hotel. But you know
the conglomerates to the Marriotts and everything else.

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Old Well, that's not our issue. Place Downtown Dallas. Now,

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anybody's been in downtown Dallas, you
are. You got a lot of tall

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buildings. What they do with tall
buildings in big cities, they put freaking

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lights on them. Okay, So
to Glen Din there's this one thirteen story

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building over here away from everything else
downtown, and there's got these rainbow lights

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that run up the columns. At
the very top, there's like five it

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looks like five picture frames and a
camera and it's like one eye and one

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of them blinks and another one blinks, and then the third one blinks.

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So you think you've seen it all
you walk inside this thing. This guy

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put the Curl Story hotel on whe
bought a from where if you built it

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new. He paid for a bunch
of artists to provide works to go in

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this thing. Now I don't know
if they provided them for free, because

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everything has a little plaque explaining it. No no, wait, wait,

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wait, wait, wait, hold
on a second before people get the stupid

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idea that it's just like framed artwork
on the wall. Oh no, oh

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no, no, no, no
no, this is all this through this

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ranges from abstract who almost almost performance
are on the part of the people working

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there. Right, there is a
room. Okay, let me describe something

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real quick. There is a room
which is an office, okay, And

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it is a room inside of a
room, so that there's sort of a

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waiting area and then a smaller box
inside of this room that says office on

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it, right, And what is
sticking out of the walls skulls and bones

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of all sorts of and human skulls
and bones. Right, it's not real

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skulls and bones. It's obviously an
artist's renditions of skulls and bones, all

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like covering the wall as if it
was stucco, right, instead of you

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know, the jagged stucco crap that
you ever see those things in like some

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people's houses, you know a lot
of times on the ceiling, and sometimes

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I lived in a place in the
bathroom once the jagged stucco crap. Well,

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imagine somebody took that idea and made
it into skulls and bones like sticking

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out at different angles from the walls
all around the waiting room area in this

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office box within a box room.
This is an example of what is going

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on all over this, including every
floor, every wall, every I get.

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We got a quarter sleep. Okay, I like a room when I

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travel, so you're a quarter sleep. The ceiling is unfinished, the cement.

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You can still see the plywood pattern
in the cement when it cured.

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And then between the two beds.
They put this picture frame at a stu

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with a large paint brush screened to
the ceiling in the middle of the picture

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frame. Okay, that's that's the
decorations, and it's that way in all

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these rooms and and well also,
yeah, it has this motif of urban

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decay where like there's unfinished masonry blocks
outside of the hotel. That's where we

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went to smoke all the time.
There's these big blocks that are like,

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you know, clearly kind of weather
worn and intentionally like urban decay. Chunks

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of urban decay just sort of scattered
about the property. Yeah, like fake

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like fake stress jeans. You know, you knew some Korean lady in a

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sweatshop was sitting here with a drum
or pool roughing up the knees. You

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know that kind of crap. It's
like what you tell it was fake?

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It's like when somebody eyes Yeah,
when somebody buys a brand new pair of

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jeans with the knees al any torn
out of them like that exactly. Yeah,

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only these and you know, seventeen
dollars for a freaking hamburger, are

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you kid? Meat? Seventeen dollars
for a hamburger that was mediocre at best.

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Now, kudos on the breakfast.
The breakfast really wasn't that bad.

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It was just too damn expensive.
Five dollars for a red bullet night out

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of the boutique. Now this place, I'll go ahead and tell you now,

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if you have a Chime card,
if you have a pre a PayPal

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card, if you have any type
of card, don't expect them to take

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it. They'll hold your reservation.
And the funny thing is I got them

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to bend their mandatory no cash.
Yeah, they wouldn't take cal telling them

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they wouldn't even take my cash until
I told them I'm getting ready to dump

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over a thousand bucks on a room, and you don't want my money,

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We'll go down the street. Suddenly
they had to make some phone calls and

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they would take my cash. The
funny thing is, though I had to

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pay for parking, and on top
of three hundred dollars a night for a

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room, they charges twenty dollars a
night for parking. But on top of

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that, when you go to pay
for parking, somehow that card they wouldn't

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take works perfect. And when you
go to the restaurant and you pay sixteen

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bucks for a Hamburger, that card
works perfect, even if you give them

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a tip. It's amazing. These
guys are doing well. We'll continue all

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the hotel. We'll get to the
conference because the hotel is I have been

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all over the world I have never
seen I've been in five star hotels in

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Switzerland where they come and unwrap the
mint on your pillow for you. Right,

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They're not as pretentious as this place
was. And this is in a

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big, old, big d No. I've been in private resorts where they

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assign you know, a maid to
your cottage. Right, I've been in

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places like that, and they are
not near as pretentious as this place.

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The funny thing to me about all
this, by the way, is that

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the deal with them not taking your
card really is because they wanted deposit.

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They want They're worried you're going to
steal their towels or their coffee maker or

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whatever. And then they're not going
to be able to charge you because you

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only had enough money to pay for
the room on your card, your debit

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card. That's what the problem is. Because here's something I'm going to just

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announce it. To hell with it, you know, they they still didn't

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really want to take Pete's cash.
Now the cash is actually a combination between

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them and me. They don't need
to know that the reservation was made in

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his name. Screw it, right, but they wouldn't take our cash.

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They made an exception to take our
cash. But they still wanted the person

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that booked the conference, which is
a whole floor of the hotel. The

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whole twelfth floor is booked for the
Lancer conference. Okay, so the twelfth

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floor is booked for the Lancer conference. They wanted the person in charge of

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the Lancer conference since b Pete said, I got the MC of the Lancer

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conference here, what are you telling
me you're not gonna give us a room?

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It was it was pretty I went
outside to smoke a couple of times

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because Bpete. B Pete is a
is not a quiet man when he's upset,

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is not A is not easily consoled
when he's angry. When I'm getting

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ready to dump over a thousand bucks
on a freaking hotel room. So so

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he's in a missions. I can't
even have paint on the ceiling. My

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god. So what they wanted is
they said, look if if if Gabrielle,

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who was in charge and was you
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that she's booking the hotel and everything, if she will sign off on

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your what did they call it?
Incidentals incidentals. Yeah, I told her,

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so wait a minute, Wait a
minute, I said, you want

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somebody to sign off on the incidentals. I said, I'll give you five

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hundred dollars cash as a deposit.
And they said, no, well we

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don't take cash. Well, you
just took a thousand, you'd take five

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hundred more. I said, at
the end of the stay, you can

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even up with me or what you
owe me. Right, they wouldn't do

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it. They would not do Ready
to go find a third party, So

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we let them put a two hundred
and forty dollars hold, two hundred and

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forty dollars hold. I was going
to give them five hundred gas, right,

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but they they let them put a
two hundred and forty hold on a

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credit card. Right. They wanted
to be able to take the thousand dollars

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for the room. Yep. So
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Gabby was nearby and I was able
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indeed I wasn't you know, just
nobody's showing up there, because God knows,

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they would have never let us stay
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here we go, Okay, look, can you just sign off on this?

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And I didn't realize they were going
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her credit card. I thought they
just wanted her to say, no,

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don't worry about it. It will
take responsibility if these guys cost you something,

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which we weren't gone. We weren't
going to wreck the room or steal

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the coffee maker for god knows.
I thought maybe they had a mini bar

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in the room, which they didn't, by the way, No mini bar.

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No, no, you know,
no mini fridge with the overpriced crap

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in it surprised that the probably ran
up there. No, they probably ran

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up there and took all that out
before we got there. Oh you think

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so, knowing those pretentious pastors,
Yeah, no talent. Okay, there's

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no telling what you know in a
corner sweep like that. Yeah, they

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could have gone and cleaned out everything. You set the two three bottles of

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water with your coffee. Oh yeah, you have two free bottles of water.

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We have free bottles of water,
two of them. Thousand dollars.

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Yeah, okay, anyway, but
but that but that was the case.

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Okay, So we did this and
uh we get Gabby design off on it.

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We finally get into the damn room. Uh in this place I'm telling

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you, it was just one hassle
after another. And they've even got a

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coco joint like a breakfast burrito taco
joint outside of the hotel, which,

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by the way, they charged the
same price. It's like six dollars for

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a cannon. I don't know how
red bulls were five bucks be beat because

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a can of a coke or a
bottle of coke or whatever it was six

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dollars, So I don't know why
they're charging five for a red Bull.

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If I could stomach red bull,
I should have drank that because I needed

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my caffeine. I mean, well, right there in the boutique, next

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to the cash redit the cash registered
excuse me, the cash drawer cash drawer.

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When I handed them one thousand dollars, the lady behind the desk had

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to start writing stuff down to figure
out she owed me sixteen dollars and then

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we get ready to check out.
Now I've given them a thousand dollars cash

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said here, yep, well the
room was nine to eighty and they start

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figuring it out it was like nine
eighty four or something. So somehow they

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overpaid me sixty cents in change.
So when I get ready to leave it.

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There's a sixty cent charge left on
the freaking deal. Sixty cents.

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It's steps. Now, they had
one thousand dollars they could have taken out

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of whatever the helly did to take
out of it. But no, that

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wasn't good enough. They had to
give it back and give me back sixty

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cents too much, and then I
had to clear out on the bill.

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Do you realize if I'd have left
there, they charged that sixty cents to

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somebody's credit card. Yeah, they
would have charged sixty cents to Gabby's credit

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card. They would have counted that
as an incident, and then probably a

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charge for having to do that on
top of it. Right, anybody that

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charges get twenty dollars for parking in
their three hundred dollars a night hotel can

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kiss my ass. I'll just go
ahead and say it. Which, by

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the way, it's not valet parking. It's not in a parking structure.

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You're just able to park in the
lot and not get towed away. If

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you paid the twenty bucks, that's
it. Yeah, there is no free

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parking at any time. If you
go there for lunch, you're supposed to

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pay ten dollars for daily parking.
Yep, I swear to god that's how

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that's how ridiculous these people are.
And they've got a conference that's getting ready

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to fill this place up because it
was full, right, No, we

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were at the allot of capacity for
the crowd on the twelfth floor, so

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the entire floor was at the allegedly
the you know, according to the fire

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marshal, that's the capacity of that
floor. That's what we were at done,

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which which is very weird. Tickets
were sold out ahead of time and

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all that. And you know what, I thought, I did a pretty

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bad job as an MC because I
was running around and doing a lot of

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stuff and I mean, I'm probable. Just let me take a moment.

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Now, we trusted the hotel.
Yes, the conference itself. I have

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to say kudos to Gabby for pulling
this thing off. It was a great

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conference. It was filled with a
lot of speakers. It took up a

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lot of time. It was a
lot for her to get together and put

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on, and I think she did
a wonderful job. I think the conference

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was a success, right, and
it would make me want to go to

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another one. I mean, it
was that that entertaining, so we got

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has to meet a lot of people. So don't let anything I say about

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this hotel reflect on Lancer's efforts and
their conference, because it was great.

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Wheah, they ran it. You
know, had plenty of time to meet

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people or sitting there at the table
manning it for Chuckwall. He was busy

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run around doing his stuff. And
I can say that I'm very glad that

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I was able to associate with these
people their top nots, and they did

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a very good job. Okay,
check, you can go from there,

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no problem. I could not have
pulled off what I had to pull off

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this weekend without bpte's help, immensely
helpful, because I was running in eight

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different directions. We had technical issues
at the beginning, really bad sound issues

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and other things. So I wound
up helping out the sound man. I

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wound up helping out people with stage
directions. I'm trying to grab people's presentations

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because people didn't drop off their thumb
drives on time and whatever else. There

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was a lot of stuff going on, and you know, I'm told that

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this kind of happens all the time
with these conferences, and we did our

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best to pull it off. There
was two speakers that were canceled over the

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course of it, but you still
had a full dance card out of this

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thing. You got your money's worth. And there was virtual stuff going on.

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There was in person stuff going on. We never really got to use

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the media room. But the book
room, the place where I had a

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table set up, was really great
and interactive. You had every author,

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every presenter basically went into that book
room and hung out for a little while,

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and you know, you could meet
them, talk to them. They

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were happy to sell you their book, you know, et cetera. All

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that going on. Plus there was
just all sorts of people mingling in there.

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So that's going on on one side
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and on the other side of the
twelfth floor is the constant conference,

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which was which was really well done. And I'm amazed that she pulled off

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as much as she did. We
only had two drop speakers, that's nothing

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usually a lot more problems and everything
else. And I made some mistakes,

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you know, and here and there, and like I'm getting things yelled at

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both of my ears, and and
forgetting who the hell it was I was

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supposed to introduce coming up on the
stage next because they changed the order and

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I'm like, you know what,
you introduced yourself, come on up.

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There was a couple of instances of
that, but I kept things moving and

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definitely kept people awake, and my
voice was in good shape on the first

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day, but by the time Sunday
came around, my voice was hoarse.

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I mean, I had done coast
to coast am and all that stuff.

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And that's that's another story. And
there's a lot more to tell about this,

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but the conference. By the way, next year, I've already been

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invited to go back and be the
MC again with a with a more friendly

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circumstance to me than I had this
time, and I may go back.

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I was not going to go back, but there's indications that it will not

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cost me all of what this conference
cost me. Because this this ran me

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out of money. I ended up
giving away a lot of stuff. I

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knew I was gonna do that.
And when we had the tip jar sitting

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there, I gotta tell you,
Bpe, not your fault, not anybody's

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fault. But there was a bunch
of people that I'm telling you now,

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put like you know, a dollar
in the tip jar and took you know,

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two books and stuff like that.
I mean, this is what they

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did, some of them, and
I can't blame on my guess. So

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I'm gonna have to structure that better
next time, if I If I do

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this next year, but I'm seriously
considering going back and doing it again.

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And it was a really good experience. And I didn't even get to see

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a lot of the presentations. I'm
gonna have to watch online to see all

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this stuff and see my mistakes and
everything else. But the funny thing to

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me is, you know, after
people stop yelling at me on Friday,

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because they were yelling at me,
did you catch people really bitching at me

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and stuff? Did you catch any
of that? Tell? Yeah, a

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little bit of it here. And
then I mean, people were getting nasty

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with me at first on Friday,
like we can't hear all the way in

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the back, and they were so
far back in the room they could not

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hear on the pa And I see, it's a good thing. I wouldn't

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handle it. I just tart to
just shut the hell off. You might

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be able to hear something. Shut
out. I tried to politely say that.

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But these women were nasty. Boy, they were They were getting on

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me. A couple of them always
the worst. Why is it the women

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of the worst. Is it because
men let them just off? Well?

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I literally the one husband is like
sitting there going come on, come on,

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just come on. The guy's doing
what he can. This is you

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know what I'm like, he's married
to a Karen And again you know,

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yeah, I understand. I'm like, ma'am, I'm not in charge.

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If you want to refund, by
all means, go see Gabby over there.

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I'm trying to tell and I was. All I was trying to do

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is tell people in the back of
the room move up a little bit while

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I fix this PA problem so that
you can hear these first one to two

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presenters. And I will fix the
PA problem, but for now, move

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up until I can figure this out. Well, I'll tell you what.

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For anybody that's listening to this,
either now or later, that was there

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and had an issue with that,
they have taken consideration. They had to

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go out and get their own sound
to bring in and try to work in

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that room without a drive run right, because the hotel wanted to charge twenty

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thousand dollars for a sound system twenty
thousand dollars. Can you believe it?

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Twenty thousand dollars. Twenty thousand,
that's a thousand, that's twenty rooms that

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I rented for three days, that
equivalent for a simple sound system because they

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sub it out to another company.
Yeah, but we could have bought we

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could have bought brand new PA equipment, you know, off off the showroom

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floor anywhere, and spent less than
twenty g's to take care of them.

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Oh. Absolutely, you know,
I could have. I could have.

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I could have conned the church in
the renten theirs for you know, two

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hundred and fifty bucks. Well,
what they did is see, initially they

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didn't think it was going to be
that big of a charge. So at

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the last minute they hired a local
musician to come in and do this,

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and you know, he was fighting
with it, but he didn't understand the

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difference between having a spoken word situation
and music, so you know, and

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he was doing his best. But
uh, you know, yeah, I

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mean they did what they could,
but you know, it was a minor

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thing over the grand scheme of things. That's what kills me about these people

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that want to complain and honestly,
by the time Friday night came or Saturday

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morning. We were straight so you
know, it's just a couple of presenters.

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I was trying to tell him,
you know, come on up toward

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the front a little bit. There's
some room and you'll be able to hear

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better until I can straighten this out. Give me some time here to figure

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this sound, you know, because
this was all that you had. You

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had some people that weren't used to
using a microphone, and we're talking across

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it, not to it, and
therefore their voice wouldn't carry they speak low

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anyway, which happens, which happens
at every conference, by the way,

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unless you got a guy who,
like you know, does several speeches a

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year, like uh, you know
when when Dick Russell did his thing,

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00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:07.559
no problems. Dick knows what he's
doing because he's been in the media,

410
00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:11.559
he's worked with microphones, he's spoken
in several rooms. He gets it right.

411
00:28:12.279 --> 00:28:15.839
But some of these other guys who
are presenting for the first time,

412
00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:18.880
which by the way, I was
most impressed by the young guy that that

413
00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:22.559
I had on the show, Alex
Harris, who did an incredible job with

414
00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:26.359
his presentation. I got to see
most of his and he did extremely well

415
00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:32.319
and has an incredible base of knowledge
for you know, starting his research at

416
00:28:32.359 --> 00:28:37.440
age eleven and presenting at this conference
at just turning fourteen. I mean,

417
00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:41.920
you know he did he did a
great job, didn't he He did did

418
00:28:41.920 --> 00:28:45.039
a very good job. Yeah.
So anyways, I want to get to

419
00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:48.160
the calls though on the line and
see what else anybody else wants to talk

420
00:28:48.200 --> 00:28:51.200
about. Also, I'm going to
try and find a way for everybody to

421
00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:56.440
get access to h I ended up
doing ground zero radio on the anniversary and

422
00:28:56.960 --> 00:29:00.240
on Saturday Night. Funny story,
I'm gonna tell about that. But on

423
00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:04.480
Saturday night for the first time,
I was on coast to coast am and

424
00:29:04.519 --> 00:29:10.160
both be Pete and I are going
to be coughing, excuse me, off

425
00:29:10.200 --> 00:29:14.640
and on because what was it tight? Typhoid? What now? What was

426
00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:19.359
his name again? Typhoid? Bob
decided to say, I'm sick, I'm

427
00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:23.039
going home early, but let me
talk to you before I go. Thanks.

428
00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:30.480
So maybe we'll both take a break
and get to everybody talking here.

429
00:29:32.200 --> 00:29:33.680
And we are going to take some
breaks shortly, but let's get to the

430
00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:40.000
callers first. Let's see. I
know I've got Jimmy James advance both on

431
00:29:40.039 --> 00:29:42.400
the line, and I don't see
a Skype request yet, but I will

432
00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:48.039
check on that in a moment.
And let's get Jimmy James first. So

433
00:29:49.640 --> 00:29:53.160
here we go. Jimmy, you're
live, man? How you doing?

434
00:30:00.759 --> 00:30:07.799
Did I press the right button?
Jimmy James? You sleep? Oh,

435
00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:14.920
Jimmy, you know what I'm gonna. I'm gonna put Jimmy on hold,

436
00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:21.119
and uh, let's see, let's
get Advance and see maybe I got a

437
00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:26.039
problem with my phones. I don't
know about. Uh, Dvance, can

438
00:30:26.079 --> 00:30:29.640
you hear me? Can you hear
me now? Sure? Can? Okay?

439
00:30:29.640 --> 00:30:30.559
Good? No, I didn't know
if it was my phone because that

440
00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:36.400
was real quiet for Jimmy, you
know. So anyway, Vance, I

441
00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:40.079
didn't hear anything from Jimmy. I
didn't hear nothing from Jimmy. Gotcha.

442
00:30:40.119 --> 00:30:41.640
I really wish you had been able
to make it out to Dallas, since

443
00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:45.440
I was in your home state there. Uh, but uh, you know,

444
00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:51.480
the hotel was not not a dream. And again up to the twelfth

445
00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:53.599
floor, so I'm running outside to
have cigarettes all the way down to the

446
00:30:53.599 --> 00:30:56.440
bottom floor, by the way,
so I'm up and down in that elevator.

447
00:30:56.480 --> 00:30:59.759
I don't know how many trips I
made over the course of the weekend,

448
00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:03.640
but it was a lot. Anyways, Man, it's enough out of

449
00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:06.680
me. Uh and and and my
sore throat and all. How you doing

450
00:31:06.680 --> 00:31:15.440
tonight? Oh? Described besides all
the you know hassles with the usual you

451
00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:18.400
know, corporate kind of craft you
gotta deal with with hotels and all that

452
00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:23.039
nowadays, they did you have any
fun? You just do anything? I

453
00:31:23.079 --> 00:31:26.680
mean, you were that far away
from deep Ellen. Did you get to

454
00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:30.359
go check out any you know,
loose bands or anything. I got to

455
00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:33.759
see no music of any kind.
We uh, you know, B Pete

456
00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:37.440
got to go out a little more
than me because I was very much stuck

457
00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:41.200
to the conference busy the whole time. Uh we did. On the first

458
00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:44.319
night we got there, I got
to go eat over at Campezies, So

459
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:48.359
I was happy about that. And
then, uh, I think the next

460
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:51.839
night B Pete went there with with
some of the guys. I think it

461
00:31:51.880 --> 00:31:53.400
went with Mike Swant. Who did
you go with that night, B Pete?

462
00:31:55.839 --> 00:32:00.200
Well, Ason, Mike swansor we
went over Ayson Mike Swanson's. So

463
00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:05.559
our our friend Creative Accidents wasn't with
you? Then? Well, okay,

464
00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:07.640
he might have went home by then, but uh yeah, so yeah,

465
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:12.680
ace Lynn Miller and uh and Mike
Swanson went with v Pete over to Campezes.

466
00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:15.799
They brought me back a pizza to
the conference, thankfully, because I

467
00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:19.599
did not get to eat a pizza
the first night I went over to Campezes.

468
00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:22.440
Now, why did I want to
go to Campezes? Jack Ruby used

469
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:25.559
to eat there, and it's also
the restaurant still owned by you know,

470
00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:30.759
the two Campezee brothers. Us I
think their grandchildren by now are running it.

471
00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:34.480
But you know, so they got
a plaque over there, you know,

472
00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:37.240
Jack Ruby eight here and we went
to that original location. There's three

473
00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:42.640
locations in the area, so I
wanted to try their food. It's not

474
00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:46.839
bad. It's not bad at all, you know. Pretty The food was

475
00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:52.440
excellent, excellent food. We went
first night had some uh set of cheese,

476
00:32:52.480 --> 00:33:00.599
some scampy. Next night had the
pasta stample with lasagna spaghetti. Oh

477
00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:05.839
man, it was excellent. Wrote
the trip and a big shout out to

478
00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:09.079
Johnny Carnes Cairns. I still can't
figure out how to say it because he's

479
00:33:09.079 --> 00:33:14.759
got that Scottish accent. He made
a presentation at the conference as well,

480
00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:17.559
but he happened to be there the
first night at Campezes because we were in

481
00:33:17.599 --> 00:33:23.960
a party of twenty six okay,
and we got kind of invited as an

482
00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:30.279
addition. It was Bob Groden,
Janet Groden, Gabby, her husband,

483
00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:36.480
her baby, me and Bpte all
the way on the one end of these

484
00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:40.440
all these tables lined up and the
other nineteen people or so were from Daley

485
00:33:40.519 --> 00:33:45.880
Plaza, UK, So they had
like a twenty six party group there in

486
00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:53.000
the middle of Campezes on what was
that Thursday night, So night that was

487
00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:57.119
the most fun I got. I
went to Dealey Plaza for maybe forty five

488
00:33:57.200 --> 00:34:00.200
minutes vance but I didn't really get
to leave the hotel very much at all

489
00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:05.200
because I was so so busy with
trying to keep stuff running and doing my

490
00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:07.800
thing. Yeah, and it was
it ran till nine o'clock every night,

491
00:34:07.840 --> 00:34:10.639
I know, the Saturday night with
a banquet, we went out of there

492
00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:15.760
till almost eleven. Yeah, somebody
told me it was like till eleven o'clock.

493
00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:17.159
I had to go up and get
a rest, you know, in

494
00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:22.039
between, because I was going to
do coast to coast and that didn't start

495
00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:24.880
till midnight central, So you know, and I was going to be on

496
00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:28.519
for two hours, so I didn't
want to be yawning, you know,

497
00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:31.360
my first time on pretty much the
biggest radio show I was ever going to

498
00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:34.320
be on. I didn't want to
be half asleep, so I went up

499
00:34:34.360 --> 00:34:38.360
to the room and took a nap
before Coast to Coast AM. So I

500
00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:44.079
didn't get to go out much at
all vance So I really regret that,

501
00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:47.360
but go ahead. Had I have, you know, been able to make

502
00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:52.239
it down there, I would have
been searching out what kind of bands and

503
00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:55.000
what was happening, you know those
days deep el them because there's lots of

504
00:34:55.039 --> 00:35:00.400
good you know, rock clubs there
and all kinds of music. There was

505
00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:04.199
one place in particular, Yeah,
there was one place in particular. I

506
00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:06.719
don't know if you know about it, that that somebody said there was a

507
00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:10.039
band at called Lee Harvey's and they
swear that it has nothing to do with

508
00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:15.599
Oswald. That's pretty close to the
hotel there. But next year, I

509
00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:17.760
guarantee you they're going to go to
a better hotel, uh, you know,

510
00:35:17.840 --> 00:35:21.360
even if it is more expensive.
They were thinking that that was going

511
00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:24.119
to be the cheaper hotel too.
That's the funny part as opposed to the

512
00:35:24.119 --> 00:35:30.039
one that I would have preferred.
I'm trying to think of the name of

513
00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:31.440
it right now, but there's there's
a good one that's like only a few

514
00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:39.760
blocks from Daly Plaza. It's great
and I really also I went to elementary

515
00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:45.760
school at George D. Daley Elementary
in the sixties and had a one of

516
00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:51.800
their athletic away called the gym bag, and it was like, you know,

517
00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:53.880
real heavy duty Vinyl, said George
D. D Lea, you know,

518
00:35:53.960 --> 00:36:00.960
on the side, orange and white. And until like fineteen eighties or

519
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:04.920
so, I used that as as
still using it as to carry like my

520
00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:08.039
pedals and chords and my guitar pedals
and stuff, and for a long time

521
00:36:08.079 --> 00:36:12.719
till it finally kind of fell apart. Oh yeah, those gim bags were

522
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:16.760
great for carrying your pedals, your
MIC's your you know, if you were

523
00:36:16.760 --> 00:36:20.400
a drummer, it's a whole other
world. But yeah, I mean all

524
00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:22.039
that's kind of stuff. Everything but
your guitar. You can stop in that

525
00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:28.679
sucker. So oh absolutely so anyway, man, yeah, go ahead,

526
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:32.800
yeah. Oh, I was wondering
what else was on your mind. I

527
00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:37.480
got news that you're now the co
host of a show over on the New

528
00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:44.519
Prisoner's Network. So I see that's
happening. What is a Saturday night anarchy

529
00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:49.199
they're calling it right, Yeah,
so you know it's a natural hocke and

530
00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:53.239
they have Saturday night anarchy with that
anarchy. So there you go. It's

531
00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:58.199
nothing personal. You know, I'm
not leaving. I'm still calling in here.

532
00:36:58.360 --> 00:37:01.480
You know that it's you know,
it just happened as the way it

533
00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:05.440
happened. I didn't, you know, No, I appreciate you. They

534
00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:07.639
just asked me to do it.
Hey, look, I appreciate you.

535
00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:13.480
And you know they are recruiting seems
like off of my my my callers,

536
00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:19.000
supporters friends for that network over there. They haven't asked me Pete. I

537
00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:22.480
think it's because, uh, they're
they're too afraid he'll tell them off.

538
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:29.480
But uh whatever, I mean,
what what what can I do? I

539
00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:34.599
wish you success? There you go, there's your answer so advanced. I

540
00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:38.559
I wish your success no matter what
you do. Seriously, I'd say,

541
00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:46.239
I'm not involved in any of that
animosity between people for whatever reasons and all

542
00:37:46.280 --> 00:37:50.679
that, and I haven't really experienced
any of it, and any of my

543
00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:55.440
you know, conversations or anything you
know, along the line. And if

544
00:37:55.480 --> 00:38:00.199
I am presented with that, I'm
gonna, you know, say just what

545
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:02.199
I just said. You knew that
he might do. I ain't about it.

546
00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:07.760
I'd try to like everybody, and
you know, even if I don't

547
00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:12.320
like everything about him. Right right
now, it's cool, you know,

548
00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:16.880
I'm right now, I'm getting pictures
from creative accidents. Actually he's sending me

549
00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:22.800
a picture of the Campez sign and
a few other things, so cool stuff.

550
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:24.840
And also he sent me a message
about Aaron and this guy he went

551
00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:28.440
to see. He went to see
a guy over there who was doing a

552
00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:34.480
presentation on I think on transhumanism and
brought him Aaron's book, the book I

553
00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:38.599
handed him at the conference. Brought
him Aaron's book and and wanted to turn

554
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:40.760
him on to it. And I
think that'd be a cool thing coming up

555
00:38:40.760 --> 00:38:45.480
on Aaron's show if that gets together, So that would be nice. But

556
00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:47.079
anyway, I was just looking over
at the Skype to see if anybody was

557
00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:50.440
trying to call in there, because
you can reach out to me Charles dot

558
00:38:50.519 --> 00:38:53.400
Ocelli on Skype and I will put
you on my friend's list. Can't guarantee

559
00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:55.679
I'll keep you there, but I
can put you on there if you want

560
00:38:55.679 --> 00:39:00.880
to call in, especially if you're
international and you're listening now, no problem,

561
00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:04.719
happy to bring you on. Uh, but generally speaking, three one

562
00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:07.159
nine five two seven five zero one
six is the best way to come on.

563
00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:12.400
So anyway, vance anything else on
your mind besides all this in Texas

564
00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:15.639
and the lore of Deely and the
school you went to and all that,

565
00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:21.880
anything else, nothing, you know, jumping off my head. When go

566
00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:24.480
over to Jimmy and see what he's
got to say. I'm sure he's interested

567
00:39:24.519 --> 00:39:30.519
to hear what new revelations were made
during the conference, et cetera. Sure,

568
00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:34.159
sure, I'll put you on hold. Okay, so just hang on

569
00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:37.800
and uh yeah, let me go
around and see if we can grab Jimmy

570
00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:42.719
and anybody else wants to join us, right. Three one nine five two

571
00:39:42.760 --> 00:39:46.159
seven five zero one six. I
remind you again, Uh, and Jimmy,

572
00:39:46.280 --> 00:39:50.199
James, I'm taking you off mute
again. I hope you're there.

573
00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:54.800
I was doing the last time.
You can hear me now, I hear

574
00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:58.880
you this time, Jimmy. I
swear you made no noise last time at

575
00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:04.119
all. Yeah, Oh I was
making noise. You just didn't hear.

576
00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:07.920
Sorry, Well, if a tree
falls in the woods, does Jimmy James

577
00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:14.599
make a noise? Anyway? Brother, what's on your mind? I'm well

578
00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:22.719
glad to hear that your conference experience
went well enough to bet your hotel experience

579
00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:35.000
was subpar. Uh so did you? Fellers happened to catch the major's presentation?

580
00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:52.000
The major's presentation? Who are we
talking about? Uh? Doctor Uhman?

581
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:55.760
Ah? Okay, Doctor Newman did
not make a presentation at Lancer.

582
00:40:58.159 --> 00:41:02.559
Uh he was supposed to and and
uh he did not. Uh so him

583
00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:13.599
and uh Morley both dropped Actually last
moment, women Morley dropped. Yes at

584
00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:22.519
the last moment, Yes, why
I was not given an explanation. Apparently

585
00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:27.039
Morley would only talk to Larry about
it, and that was that. And

586
00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:31.199
I think Newman, because he had
been in person at the WET conference,

587
00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:36.440
decided, you know, he didn't
want to, I think, but I

588
00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:45.280
don't want to speak for him.
Huh. So that's the way that went.

589
00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:51.400
But I thought Moiley was going to
make it in person. And I

590
00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:57.800
take it that doctor Newman was going
to try to make it through like skype

591
00:41:57.880 --> 00:42:01.079
or something. Yeah, doctor Newman
was gonna do it virtually like you know,

592
00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:06.159
and and some people had pre recorded
things virtually and then joined us for

593
00:42:06.280 --> 00:42:12.719
questions after. Actually we tried to
reach Carmine after his pre recorded presentation and

594
00:42:12.800 --> 00:42:16.880
couldn't reach him by a zoom,
which was odd. And uh, I

595
00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:20.320
don't know exactly what happened there.
There was a bunch of things went on

596
00:42:20.440 --> 00:42:23.719
like that, uh and uh.
But but there was plenty going on.

597
00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:28.920
It's not like there was any any
downtime. So believe me, it all

598
00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:31.880
filled itself out nicely, and we
didn't have any like, oh, sorry,

599
00:42:31.880 --> 00:42:35.079
we don't have anything to do for
an hour. No, we just

600
00:42:35.159 --> 00:42:37.920
moved things along and people took extra
time anyway, Like like b Pete said,

601
00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:43.280
the Saturday Night went all the way
to eleven pm, uh when it

602
00:42:43.320 --> 00:42:45.960
was only scheduled to go to like
nine. So I mean there was just

603
00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:51.599
a lot going on one way or
another. Matter of fact, I dropped

604
00:42:51.599 --> 00:42:57.079
another virtual another virtual presentation that was
supposed to be added in. I personally

605
00:42:57.119 --> 00:43:00.639
cut it from the program because there
was not going to be enough time and

606
00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:07.519
I felt it was repetitious. So
there you go. Well, I noticed

607
00:43:07.559 --> 00:43:15.920
that at these things that the Q
and as the more fun and interesting parts.

608
00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:21.719
Anyway, when people ask them a
lot of time in that vein.

609
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:27.920
In that vein, we had a
surprise appearance from Gail Nick Jackson, who

610
00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:30.639
was rumored to be there, you
know, for like two days before,

611
00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:36.280
and I had no idea, and
then she showed up and she wound up

612
00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:40.159
on the Walker panel. I gave
her my slot on the Walker panel because

613
00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:44.519
she wanted to talk about different things
that she had found out about, you

614
00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:49.000
know, some of the figures involved
in the Walker shooting. And Gail was

615
00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:52.519
not even a scheduled speaker and she
was in on that. So there you

616
00:43:52.519 --> 00:44:00.480
go. Well that's pretty cool,
Yeah, very cool. Well, out

617
00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:04.519
of that conference is over. I
want to talk about all kinds of JFK

618
00:44:04.840 --> 00:44:10.360
documents I see. Well, there's
gonna be a bunch of those shows coming

619
00:44:10.440 --> 00:44:15.880
up, by the way, because
Larry purposely wants to recap quite a few

620
00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:22.840
things from the conference over the next
couple appearances he has with me and also

621
00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:28.840
Swanson, who has a document that
apparently nobody else has seen. He tried

622
00:44:28.840 --> 00:44:31.599
to send it to me via email
and it wouldn't it wouldn't go through for

623
00:44:31.639 --> 00:44:37.039
some weird reason. It's not online
with the National Archives, and it's an

624
00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:42.599
interesting piece interesting piece of information that
he's dug up. So I mean,

625
00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:45.760
we're gonna have some interesting document discussions
coming up. It's not you know,

626
00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:49.480
I'm not gonna do allK all the
time, but you're gonna you're gonna get

627
00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:52.760
some interesting stuff from some people who
have dug up some primary evidence, some

628
00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:57.760
new things, and have gone back
over some old stuff as well. So

629
00:44:58.159 --> 00:45:04.800
it's gonna be an interesting time for
that. Fronte. I was just gonna

630
00:45:04.840 --> 00:45:09.960
start naming some names. I find
it interesting that I don't know what anyone

631
00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:15.079
else has good reading, but now
I pretty much know who was in the

632
00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:17.960
SI and who was not. So
I was just going to discuss that if

633
00:45:17.960 --> 00:45:28.800
you wanted to, but be Pete. What's up me, Pete? You

634
00:45:28.880 --> 00:45:37.039
might be talking to your mute button. Oh yes, I was there.

635
00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:44.000
We go, Oh, Jimmy.
Everything is good other than the cold.

636
00:45:44.599 --> 00:45:47.480
But I'd like to take this opportunity
to say it was great to meet Gail.

637
00:45:49.400 --> 00:45:52.360
She was a pleasant surprise being there. Shout out to Doug Campbell.

638
00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:57.920
We had talked about trying to get
him on the show. Mike Swanson,

639
00:45:58.199 --> 00:46:01.800
great guy to hang out with the
stories that he can tell you and creative

640
00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:07.280
shout out and creative. This guy. This guy is a blast. He

641
00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:13.440
can tell you stories that you just
can't imagine. It was a great group,

642
00:46:13.480 --> 00:46:15.719
but that's one thing. It was
a great group of people that was

643
00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:20.000
able to get together and spend time
together and talk. And Gail. I've

644
00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:22.519
never met gay before and I had
been wanting to meet her for quite some

645
00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:28.480
time and shout out to her.
It's actually called me yesterday Thanksgiving, so

646
00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:30.920
that was quite nice of it.
But yeah, we had a good time.

647
00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:34.920
And Jimmy, I wish you could
have made it down. I think

648
00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:39.239
you would have had a blast.
Yeah. I was gonna try to at

649
00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:45.920
least get down to meet with you
guys, but oh, do do a

650
00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:54.039
bizarre chain of events. I just
had several hundred dollars just disappeared because they

651
00:46:54.159 --> 00:47:04.800
paid April early. But anyways,
yes, it's kinds of interesting. Yeah,

652
00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:09.119
I've seen all sorts of you.
I'm sure you guys must have run

653
00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:20.679
into these handwritten notes, which were
summaries by h SCA characters. Basically,

654
00:47:20.719 --> 00:47:30.920
they were handwritten summations of various people's
two or one files right through instance,

655
00:47:31.599 --> 00:47:39.639
I now know Fred Lee Crispin Cia
definitely no doubt about it looked at us

656
00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:45.519
junk. Yep, no, I
And I agreed with Joan back then when

657
00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:50.400
she was talking about him, right, you know a lot of people were

658
00:47:50.440 --> 00:47:52.320
ignoring what Joan had to say about
him a long time ago. Joan mellon

659
00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:59.440
right, turns out, Oh yeah, she's been very much let's put this

660
00:47:59.559 --> 00:48:06.960
way, she's very much been vindicated
by the documents. And while, for

661
00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:15.079
instance, the information which doctor Newman
has produced has made other people's so called

662
00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:22.519
Alan dolls Cia theories seem exactly what
it is, idiotic. Yeah, especially

663
00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:29.280
when they bring in James Angleton and
all the rest. So the screw of

664
00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:32.400
the chess board and all that junk, just plus it down the toilet.

665
00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:37.800
I don't know where we stand around
on the twentieth century, the last stef

666
00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:44.440
I don't know. Maybe mctail Gunner
Joe was right. Maybe the whole government

667
00:48:44.599 --> 00:48:49.639
is being communist run. Well,
there's a lot to be said there,

668
00:48:49.719 --> 00:48:53.719
right, And when you take a
look at who's actually actively playing, uh,

669
00:48:54.280 --> 00:48:59.119
it turns out that the real deep
document researchers had it right to begin

670
00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:01.360
with, a bunch of them,
and they're getting vindicated. Like you said,

671
00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:04.639
you know, stuff that people were
like saying, well, Joan,

672
00:49:04.719 --> 00:49:07.679
you didn't really dig very hard because
you're applying it to this and it turns

673
00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:10.079
out. Look, look at how
many things that she said have now been

674
00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:14.679
actually proven. I really wish I
could get her on the show again.

675
00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:17.800
I might try. I did,
by the way, because I was able

676
00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:22.599
to hang out around Gail because I
don't know if you remember, but I

677
00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:24.719
wasn't sure what my status was with
Gail because I hadn't talked to her in

678
00:49:24.760 --> 00:49:30.920
a long time. But you know, according to what she had to say

679
00:49:30.920 --> 00:49:34.519
to my face, anyway, we're
cool. Everything's good. I really want

680
00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:38.519
to bring her back on, especially
if there is some progress that will be

681
00:49:38.599 --> 00:49:45.239
made regarding her circumstances in the near
future that I was told not to speak

682
00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:50.599
about. But I really really look
forward to if she gets to where she

683
00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:57.400
wants to go regarding her legal circumstances, and I would love to be one

684
00:49:57.440 --> 00:49:59.679
of the first people to get her
on. And I hope that that's what

685
00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:02.000
I can, and I would.
I would have brought her on next week.

686
00:50:02.360 --> 00:50:07.039
But here's the thing, uh,
she said repeatedly, and I'm sure

687
00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:09.079
be Pete, you heard this.
You know my lawyer is not letting me

688
00:50:09.159 --> 00:50:14.480
talk about this stuff right now,
so I can't bring her on until that

689
00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:17.719
happens. When the lawyer clears it. We're gonna have a conversation with Gail

690
00:50:17.800 --> 00:50:22.239
Nick Jackson and the way she was
holding court at the conference with people,

691
00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:28.559
I don't know, it might be
a four hour show that night. What

692
00:50:28.599 --> 00:50:32.280
do you think, be Pete,
Oh, I just soon go record us

693
00:50:32.280 --> 00:50:36.559
while we go downtown and drink beers. I think we'd get a better conversation

694
00:50:36.639 --> 00:50:40.239
of more laughs out of it.
She is a class I you know,

695
00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:44.440
if I go back next year,
she's gotta she's got to come down and

696
00:50:44.440 --> 00:50:47.920
and and do it again. You
know. It was really great to see

697
00:50:47.920 --> 00:50:52.519
her. Uh and she had her
she had her book there. She was

698
00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:54.840
a total surprise to a lot of
people. I don't know how it is.

699
00:50:54.880 --> 00:50:58.639
Doug Campbell knew she was coming because
he kept saying it, and I'm

700
00:50:58.679 --> 00:51:00.639
going, But Doug, I didn't
hear anything about this. She was not

701
00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:04.280
technically part of that at all.
She was not supposed to be part of

702
00:51:04.280 --> 00:51:07.559
the conference at all. And the
next thing I know is it was like

703
00:51:07.639 --> 00:51:12.800
he wrote one of the chapters in
her book. I mean, they're pretty

704
00:51:12.840 --> 00:51:15.920
tight. Oh, I know,
but you know, but but I'm part

705
00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:19.079
of the conference. There was no
indication to the conference. Last minute,

706
00:51:19.119 --> 00:51:22.320
it was like, how do we
make room for Gale on this panel?

707
00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:23.440
And I said, I got an
easy solution, I'll get the hell out

708
00:51:23.440 --> 00:51:28.599
of the way, you know,
and and just kind of had to push

709
00:51:28.639 --> 00:51:31.239
her out onto that panel, and
she was happy to do it. I

710
00:51:31.280 --> 00:51:36.960
really hope that that recorded well and
went out on the on the virtual conference

711
00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:39.639
well, because in the room it
was very cool the stuff going on.

712
00:51:39.760 --> 00:51:46.000
You know, Larry Hancock introduced the
panel and then sat on the stage behind

713
00:51:46.079 --> 00:51:49.920
everybody who was sitting in chairs in
front of the stage, and they just

714
00:51:49.960 --> 00:51:52.960
went at it. Larry would occasionally
chime in, like just once in a

715
00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:57.039
while. But that went on for
a good, I don't know, hour

716
00:51:57.079 --> 00:52:00.239
and a half maybe b Pete right, that panel, Yeah, it went

717
00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:05.719
on over the hour. It was
almost an hour and a half. And

718
00:52:05.920 --> 00:52:07.960
Uh, that's another thing too,
you know. We we talked about uh

719
00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:15.519
Dad getting him on the show,
Gail and uh and Rob Park's other cohort,

720
00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:21.440
I can't think his name, Robert
scooter guy. Yeah, he's gotten

721
00:52:21.440 --> 00:52:28.079
a tie, Scooter Guy. Sorry, Joe oh Man, Joe, Joe

722
00:52:28.119 --> 00:52:32.519
Brelli. Is that it is?
I think it's Joe Brelli. I gotta

723
00:52:32.559 --> 00:52:37.239
take a look real quick. But
yeah, anyway, he's great to meet

724
00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:39.760
him too. I was really you
know, I was really disappointed Rob Park

725
00:52:39.840 --> 00:52:45.599
wasn't there about him for so long. You know, it's just strange meeting

726
00:52:45.599 --> 00:52:47.079
people that you been talking to for
years you never met face to face,

727
00:52:47.920 --> 00:52:51.559
probably be able to sit there and
joke with each other, and it was

728
00:52:51.599 --> 00:52:53.920
really great. Sob try to get
them all on the steps here in the

729
00:52:53.960 --> 00:53:00.519
next month. I'm sure that guys, you gonna want to go on break,

730
00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:07.559
but when we come back, remind
me I want to address e Howard

731
00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:12.320
haunts two to one and a few
other interesting things that they mean. Yeah,

732
00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:15.480
that sounds like a good time on
the other side of the break for

733
00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:17.800
sure. I just want to explain
why I'm cracking up. I can't stop

734
00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:27.679
laughing because see the guy who did
the presentation on UH on the Martins with

735
00:53:27.679 --> 00:53:30.159
with Rob Clark, and they did
it virtually and then Joe took questions in

736
00:53:30.199 --> 00:53:38.559
person right afterwards. Well anyway,
right before that. Outside, Jose's pretty

737
00:53:38.559 --> 00:53:42.039
pretty. He looks like he's in
pretty good shape. When you say VPD,

738
00:53:42.039 --> 00:53:45.320
he looks like kind of a strong
guy. Right, Oh, yeah,

739
00:53:45.440 --> 00:53:47.440
he looks. He looks like a
very fit sort of guy. He's

740
00:53:47.440 --> 00:53:50.960
definitely younger than me. I'm not
sure how old he is, but he's

741
00:53:51.039 --> 00:53:52.159
he's probably in his I don't know. He looked like he was in his

742
00:53:52.159 --> 00:53:58.199
thirties. Maybe I'm misjudging him.
What do you think this good? Guess?

743
00:53:58.280 --> 00:54:00.599
I don't know. Okay, so
if I said that looking at him,

744
00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:06.639
you wouldn't say, oh, chuck
your way off. Right, Well

745
00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:08.920
he's late twenties, thirties, I
guess. Yeah, Okay, cool enough.

746
00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:12.480
Well here's the thing. They had
those you know, those eas scooters

747
00:54:12.480 --> 00:54:17.440
outside of the hotel. So decides
to run his cart on the East scooter.

748
00:54:17.519 --> 00:54:21.679
I'm like, oh my god,
these East scooter things. He went

749
00:54:22.079 --> 00:54:25.840
down like just around the corner at
the hotel, and the next thing I

750
00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:30.760
know is he comes running back without
the scooter and had to run back to

751
00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:36.480
his hotel room and go get changed
real quick because I think he wiped out

752
00:54:36.519 --> 00:54:39.119
on the scooter and his arm was
bleeding and stuff. I had to like,

753
00:54:39.360 --> 00:54:43.679
right before he went up on stage
to do the presentation, I'm like,

754
00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:45.960
yeah, you might want to take
care of that blood over there on

755
00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:58.519
your helb. So that's why VP
called him scooter guy. So oh,

756
00:54:58.639 --> 00:55:06.039
man, jokes between Doug and him
and me and you and Rob's over the

757
00:55:06.079 --> 00:55:08.199
course of the bunk, there's gonna
be jokes. Said. The one is

758
00:55:08.280 --> 00:55:12.639
you're thinking about somebody in this shower. And that was Mike Swanson that brought

759
00:55:12.679 --> 00:55:15.159
that one up. That got several
laughs. So don't be surprised if we

760
00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:22.360
hear jokes, uh jokes I thrown
our way on these other programs as well.

761
00:55:22.519 --> 00:55:23.960
Oh, I know that's coming up. I mean, yeah, the

762
00:55:24.239 --> 00:55:27.760
thing about the shower, I don't
even want to spoil that. I think

763
00:55:27.800 --> 00:55:31.360
I think Doug will probably bring that
up. There was some funny stuff going

764
00:55:31.400 --> 00:55:36.159
on. Uh, you know,
we we were having a good time.

765
00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:37.599
I mean again, I didn't get
to go out as much as I wanted

766
00:55:37.599 --> 00:55:39.519
to. I didn't get to hang
out as much as I wanted to,

767
00:55:39.599 --> 00:55:45.559
But people kept tracking me down in
the smoking section and uh and stopping me

768
00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:49.800
every which way along the way because
I had to keep going from the twelfth

769
00:55:49.840 --> 00:55:52.480
floor to the first floor to just
smoke a cigarette. And there was no

770
00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:57.519
way I was getting through there without
getting like tackled by somebody. It was

771
00:55:57.519 --> 00:56:00.360
pretty constant. Yeah, we need
the next twelve. We need to find

772
00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:05.760
has a rooftop smoking section, so
we're only running up one floor and set

773
00:56:05.800 --> 00:56:07.400
of down twelve. Well, I
don't you know, is it illegal in

774
00:56:07.480 --> 00:56:10.679
Dallas to have a smoking room?
I mean, is there a possibility that

775
00:56:10.679 --> 00:56:15.320
there's still a smoking room in Texas? The way? I don't know.

776
00:56:15.400 --> 00:56:19.920
They do them at the airports,
but it's like a completely enclosed room with

777
00:56:19.960 --> 00:56:23.559
a separate air system that handles it. So what you do is, you

778
00:56:23.599 --> 00:56:27.679
know, out of which major airport
you're at, you walk until you see

779
00:56:27.719 --> 00:56:30.239
the room that you can't see into, and that's the smoking room. Once

780
00:56:30.280 --> 00:56:34.519
you open the door, it's like
a favor lock, suck sail from the

781
00:56:34.559 --> 00:56:37.960
outside so that the smoke doesn't escape
well, and they sit in the next,

782
00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:40.400
you know, thirty forty minutes till
your next flight takes off. But

783
00:56:42.599 --> 00:56:45.440
all right, well, we got
to do something on the smoking accommodations.

784
00:56:45.639 --> 00:56:47.920
We got we got to figure something
out for that, especially if you know,

785
00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:51.519
again, I'm being offered to go
back next year, so I'll see

786
00:56:51.559 --> 00:56:53.199
about that. But for now,
here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna

787
00:56:53.199 --> 00:56:57.440
take a little break, and if
you want to join us after this,

788
00:56:58.239 --> 00:57:01.280
you can do so by dialing in
three one nine, five two seven five

789
00:57:01.400 --> 00:57:06.400
zero one six. That's the number
to call. Captain Trips threatened to call

790
00:57:06.440 --> 00:57:08.480
in earlier, but he's not gonna
join us, I think, because he's

791
00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:14.000
working. But you listening out there
right now, please join us. Three

792
00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:17.079
one nine five two seven five zero
one six. We got Vans and Jimmy

793
00:57:17.159 --> 00:57:21.559
James both on hold. I'm gonna
get back to them and we can just

794
00:57:21.599 --> 00:57:24.639
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821
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822
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829
01:05:44.199 --> 01:05:47.400
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834
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and all media. Okay, second
segment of the Friday Night open Mic,

841
01:06:45.840 --> 01:06:50.079
and so far we've only had two
callers in, but Bpete and I are

842
01:06:50.159 --> 01:06:57.199
both a bit sick from our trip
to Dallas, but quite happy with it

843
01:06:57.239 --> 01:07:00.760
all. Big shout out to Gabriella
Glenn for pulling it off along with her

844
01:07:00.840 --> 01:07:05.360
husband Kenneth Zendeker. Uh, you
know, great stuff. They were able

845
01:07:05.400 --> 01:07:09.280
to pull this off. It was
It was really nice to see Deborah Conway

846
01:07:09.320 --> 01:07:12.480
there as well, but but they
were really, you know, the ones

847
01:07:12.559 --> 01:07:15.159
pulling the strings, so to speak. On the conference. Uh, great

848
01:07:15.239 --> 01:07:20.559
conference, terrible hotel. Everything is
expensive in Dallas. I lost money on

849
01:07:20.679 --> 01:07:26.039
the trip by quite a bit.
If it wasn't for you guys supporting me,

850
01:07:27.039 --> 01:07:31.800
I would have been absolutely broke away
earlier. And I couldn't have done

851
01:07:31.800 --> 01:07:36.519
it at all without my let's see, what would be the right word,

852
01:07:36.679 --> 01:07:44.639
My cantankerous friend BPTE, who can
get angry at somebody in five seconds,

853
01:07:44.840 --> 01:07:48.000
and boy, let me tell you, doesn't back down from anybody. I

854
01:07:48.079 --> 01:07:54.239
don't always agree with him politically or
anything else, but he he, he

855
01:07:54.800 --> 01:07:59.079
is my friend. I know he's
loyal, I know he's uh, he's

856
01:07:59.239 --> 01:08:01.719
uh. You know what he might
get under your skin out there listening.

857
01:08:01.840 --> 01:08:08.760
I don't care. He's always got
a spot with me because guess what is

858
01:08:08.880 --> 01:08:12.880
the man who does what he says
and says what he does. So that's

859
01:08:12.960 --> 01:08:16.600
what's important to me overall. And
was really glad to have him with me

860
01:08:16.680 --> 01:08:19.920
because I wouldn't have been able to
pull off half of what I did without

861
01:08:20.000 --> 01:08:25.000
his help, including you know,
the one day I lost my glasses.

862
01:08:25.079 --> 01:08:28.960
That was fun. Him and Ace
got to watch me freak out trying to

863
01:08:29.000 --> 01:08:30.880
find my glasses. You know,
it's a little difficult for the blind guy

864
01:08:30.920 --> 01:08:33.920
to find his glasses to get a
little bit of vision back when he can't

865
01:08:33.960 --> 01:08:39.600
remember exactly where he put him.
So I'm sure that was another thing that's

866
01:08:39.680 --> 01:08:42.920
funny too, but it is what
it is. And all I want to

867
01:08:42.960 --> 01:08:45.039
do is go out and have a
damn cigarette, and I just couldn't find

868
01:08:45.079 --> 01:08:48.399
my glasses to do it. It
was like this this operation. Plus I

869
01:08:48.439 --> 01:08:51.000
had thrown my stuff all over the
hotel room. I mean, I was

870
01:08:51.039 --> 01:08:56.520
a complete disaster and again could not
have pulled it off without him helping me,

871
01:08:56.600 --> 01:09:00.840
sitting at my table making sure I
had this stuff I need to keep

872
01:09:00.000 --> 01:09:03.279
rolling. When I couldn't get away
to eat, he brought me food.

873
01:09:03.520 --> 01:09:08.359
I mean, you know, tell
you man, you know who your friends

874
01:09:08.399 --> 01:09:11.199
are when you're when you're in spots. And it was great to hang out

875
01:09:11.239 --> 01:09:14.640
with a lot of people and stuff, but again without this guy, you

876
01:09:14.680 --> 01:09:17.840
know, first doing all the driving, which was a long trip, you

877
01:09:17.880 --> 01:09:20.880
know, twelve hours from my place, plus however many hours for him to

878
01:09:20.920 --> 01:09:25.520
get to my place each time,
where he took a nap at my place

879
01:09:25.600 --> 01:09:30.680
in between all the driving, all
the work. Anybody who listens to the

880
01:09:30.760 --> 01:09:34.119
show at all better know that The
only reason why I could pull it off

881
01:09:34.279 --> 01:09:38.800
is because my co host was with
me and my friend took care of me

882
01:09:38.920 --> 01:09:43.279
that weekend. So I just want
everybody to know that before we go any

883
01:09:43.399 --> 01:09:47.399
further. And we still got Vance
and Jimmy James on the line, so

884
01:09:48.159 --> 01:09:51.880
b Pete tell me who we should
pick up the line on first, And

885
01:09:53.319 --> 01:09:55.760
like I said, we can talk
about other stuff tonight if you want.

886
01:09:55.840 --> 01:09:59.640
We got another forty five to fifty
minutes something like that, I'll go a

887
01:09:59.640 --> 01:10:02.680
little after the ten o'clock time,
especially if we get more calls, I'll

888
01:10:02.720 --> 01:10:06.479
go a little longer, even if
Bpte has to drop. But otherwise,

889
01:10:06.600 --> 01:10:10.039
you know, if this is if
this is all that calls in tonight,

890
01:10:10.560 --> 01:10:14.399
we'll talk to Jimmy James, Advance
until we're done. So what do you

891
01:10:14.479 --> 01:10:17.800
say, B Pete, what should
we do next? Well, Jimmy had

892
01:10:17.840 --> 01:10:21.840
some stuff he wanted to talk about, concerned documents on that, so we

893
01:10:21.920 --> 01:10:25.760
can we can entertain that. But
if you want to bring Vance on real

894
01:10:25.840 --> 01:10:30.359
quick and see if he's got anything
he wants to discussed before we get into

895
01:10:30.399 --> 01:10:33.920
the JFK real we can check with
him. Okay, So we'll check with

896
01:10:34.079 --> 01:10:40.880
Vance first, and you know again, yeah, exactly, and we'll go

897
01:10:40.960 --> 01:10:43.840
back into the JFK stuff for sure
after that. So Advance, you're back

898
01:10:43.920 --> 01:10:47.000
on if you want. Tell everybody
where they can hear you tomorrow night,

899
01:10:48.119 --> 01:10:53.399
because I guess you'll be doing that
live on the New Prisoner whatever the Rumble

900
01:10:53.479 --> 01:10:55.800
channel. I don't know which thing
they do live at this point, but

901
01:10:56.439 --> 01:11:01.239
go ahead and tell people about that, promote it. That's tomorrow at seven

902
01:11:01.279 --> 01:11:09.520
o'clock Central times, so I haven't
got a little clocker to look at anything.

903
01:11:09.640 --> 01:11:13.399
And the first time anybody asked me
that. So yeah, it's a

904
01:11:13.600 --> 01:11:17.239
normally Saturday from seven o'clock, starts
around seven o'clock sometime a little late,

905
01:11:17.359 --> 01:11:21.439
like you know everybody else is.
It usually runs two three hours, so

906
01:11:23.279 --> 01:11:26.359
you know, everybody interested, you'll
pop on over. Well, you know,

907
01:11:26.520 --> 01:11:28.880
unlike some people. Vance, you
know, some people are trying to

908
01:11:29.000 --> 01:11:31.600
undermine me right now, which I
find really funny and trying to you know,

909
01:11:31.800 --> 01:11:35.960
like turn people away from what I
do. I don't do that even

910
01:11:36.039 --> 01:11:43.159
to you know, people that think
they're competing with me. And I always

911
01:11:43.199 --> 01:11:45.840
think of you as a friend.
So guess what. You can promote your

912
01:11:45.840 --> 01:11:48.439
show on here if you want so
no problem. You know that's eight Eastern

913
01:11:48.520 --> 01:11:51.760
then right, if it's seventh Central, go ahead, tune in there.

914
01:11:51.920 --> 01:11:56.479
I say, listen to all of
us, get get the podcast later if

915
01:11:56.479 --> 01:11:59.039
you don't want to hear it live, and so on and so forth.

916
01:11:59.119 --> 01:12:00.199
And I love what you have to
say. That's why I've always had you

917
01:12:00.319 --> 01:12:02.720
on. I used to have you
as a co host on this on this

918
01:12:02.880 --> 01:12:06.560
network. Uh, and I was
hoping that we would do that again soon.

919
01:12:06.720 --> 01:12:12.359
But whatever, you know, I
definitely am not the guy who looks

920
01:12:12.399 --> 01:12:15.880
to undercut people, unlike the stories
I got to hear, by the way

921
01:12:15.760 --> 01:12:20.039
this week from others about some other
fun people that used to be over here

922
01:12:20.119 --> 01:12:27.439
and I thought were friends before.
But I got a great one for you

923
01:12:27.560 --> 01:12:30.960
off AIRBP. I'll tell you another
day, not tonight, but I got

924
01:12:31.039 --> 01:12:35.960
a great one for you because you
know, Don Jefferies just recently released a

925
01:12:36.000 --> 01:12:41.159
book that he co authored with with
a couple of people, and uh,

926
01:12:42.199 --> 01:12:45.800
i'll tell you one of the people
connected to John Jefferies and not Chris Graves,

927
01:12:46.319 --> 01:12:51.119
but somebody else. Boy interesting stories, interesting stories that he likes to

928
01:12:51.199 --> 01:12:56.600
tell about me. Curious, you
know, I'm some kind of uh,

929
01:12:57.119 --> 01:13:00.560
you know, wild devil worshiper apparently, you know, according to some people,

930
01:13:00.439 --> 01:13:04.239
uh, any evidence of devil worship
the entire Let's see, you were

931
01:13:04.279 --> 01:13:08.479
with me for four straight days pretty
much, right, I mean, do

932
01:13:08.560 --> 01:13:13.159
you see any devil worship? No, I see any devil worshiped. I

933
01:13:13.239 --> 01:13:17.319
didn't see the goats. I didn't
see anything that any any hooves, you

934
01:13:17.399 --> 01:13:20.159
know, I think I think we're
okay on that. Okay, you did

935
01:13:20.239 --> 01:13:24.520
see four weenie dogs and four weenie
puppies. You did see that. I

936
01:13:24.560 --> 01:13:29.239
mean I got puppies in my house
now, right, yes? Yeah,

937
01:13:29.760 --> 01:13:36.720
like everything? Yeah, they bark
at everything exactly. Isn't the question for

938
01:13:36.800 --> 01:13:42.239
everybody's question? For Vance and Jimmy
and you? Why is it the smaller

939
01:13:42.359 --> 01:13:47.159
the dog, the more they love
to bark. I've never understood that big

940
01:13:47.279 --> 01:13:50.920
dogs sit there and just look at
you until they get ready to do something.

941
01:13:51.279 --> 01:13:55.479
Then they might give you a warning. But the smaller the dog,

942
01:13:55.640 --> 01:13:59.800
that's all they do. Why is
that? Man? We figured that?

943
01:14:01.159 --> 01:14:04.920
I don't know. I don't know. I mean I understand why it is

944
01:14:05.079 --> 01:14:09.720
because they're you know, they're they're
kind of psychotic and you know, all

945
01:14:09.840 --> 01:14:13.840
that kind of stuff, and that's
just the way they do defend themselves is

946
01:14:13.920 --> 01:14:15.960
by yapping, yapping, and because
you know, a lot of things are

947
01:14:16.239 --> 01:14:19.600
scared by that in the animal kingdom
with earlier or whatever, you know.

948
01:14:19.760 --> 01:14:25.199
But but my dad's wife, we
live on a ranch, you know,

949
01:14:25.720 --> 01:14:30.640
they live in another house over there
and everything. But every dog she gets

950
01:14:30.800 --> 01:14:34.439
is one of a dog that's like
that that that those me that can sit

951
01:14:35.199 --> 01:14:40.039
just yaps at everybody and my dad, everybody, people that are there every

952
01:14:40.159 --> 01:14:43.439
day. It doesn't matter how you
you can't make friends, you know,

953
01:14:43.600 --> 01:14:45.680
Vince. Some of them will come
up and let you a little ted up

954
01:14:45.720 --> 01:14:47.039
a little bit, but then they
just go over there and start barking at

955
01:14:47.079 --> 01:14:51.119
you again. But it's only when
she's not around, Okay, when she's

956
01:14:51.199 --> 01:14:59.760
not there, they don't say shit, you know. And sometimes they do

957
01:14:59.880 --> 01:15:03.159
that too. But I'm just saying
that, and she just did. I'd

958
01:15:03.239 --> 01:15:08.159
like to all them dogs could disappear. Even my dad he's like, you

959
01:15:08.239 --> 01:15:10.239
know, he's like, you know, we need to just you know,

960
01:15:10.439 --> 01:15:14.960
pay somebody to you know, snatch
these dogs. But she'll just get another

961
01:15:15.000 --> 01:15:16.479
one just like it. So I
don't know. Some people just like that

962
01:15:16.800 --> 01:15:23.600
kind of dog for some reason too. But it's missus O's fault. We

963
01:15:23.680 --> 01:15:26.760
got so many dogs in the house. You know, we rescued animals,

964
01:15:26.840 --> 01:15:30.600
rehomed animals. I mean, I
constantly got dogs in here. It's just

965
01:15:30.800 --> 01:15:38.039
it's her thing. I have nicknamed
her Mama Wolf because she's just all about

966
01:15:38.119 --> 01:15:42.800
the dogs. It's just it's just
who she is. Uh See, he

967
01:15:42.960 --> 01:15:45.880
needs big dogs. You need to
get like a bull master for something something.

968
01:15:45.920 --> 01:15:49.159
They could eat three of the other
dogs in one body and they wouldn't

969
01:15:49.199 --> 01:15:53.159
bark somebody, so they'd be sitting
back waiting to see what the big guy

970
01:15:53.239 --> 01:15:57.000
did see. But what's funny is
I've had a couple of big dogs,

971
01:15:57.199 --> 01:16:02.439
and you know, the older weenie
dog loose right intimidates the big dogs.

972
01:16:03.640 --> 01:16:06.079
She becomes She's like, oh no, no, no, no, I'm

973
01:16:06.159 --> 01:16:11.119
the head of this pack. And
she will bark at them, she will

974
01:16:11.199 --> 01:16:14.319
snap at them, she will back
them off of her food. She don't

975
01:16:14.319 --> 01:16:17.840
give a damn. Uh. Lucy
is our our long standing family pet,

976
01:16:18.079 --> 01:16:24.840
and she she's she's a bitch.
I mean, she's just rough. She

977
01:16:24.960 --> 01:16:27.359
don't play. You know, these
little ones around her, she's like,

978
01:16:27.439 --> 01:16:30.960
yeah, she kind of ignores them. Big dog comes though, she don't

979
01:16:31.000 --> 01:16:34.640
care. She she will back down
the big dog. We had a red

980
01:16:34.720 --> 01:16:40.199
nosed pit bull. Uh what was
it? What was his name? Oh,

981
01:16:40.319 --> 01:16:43.319
my goodness, I'm trying to think
of his name now. Uh,

982
01:16:43.720 --> 01:16:47.000
but we re rehomed him. Uh. He had been abused somewhere else.

983
01:16:47.199 --> 01:16:51.520
And uh, he was huge,
and she would snap at him and just

984
01:16:51.840 --> 01:16:57.680
put him in line. Didn't care. Dog could be five six times the

985
01:16:57.760 --> 01:17:00.960
size of her, No problem.
She would still back them off, bark

986
01:17:00.039 --> 01:17:04.079
at him, snap at him.
She would handle them every single which way.

987
01:17:05.359 --> 01:17:10.239
So that's that's just how it is. Maybe we'll ask Jimmy James about

988
01:17:10.279 --> 01:17:12.920
dogs in a minute here, and
maybe we'll ask somebody else about it.

989
01:17:12.960 --> 01:17:17.920
As we keep going. There was
another caller and they came on and dropped

990
01:17:17.960 --> 01:17:23.239
off real fast. So anyway,
anything else on your mind? Vance about

991
01:17:23.239 --> 01:17:26.119
the dogs? I think Vance gave
you the right answer, though. There's

992
01:17:26.199 --> 01:17:30.920
just something about that's their form of
defense, because they got to do something

993
01:17:30.119 --> 01:17:36.359
to alert other animals that they are
a dog, you know, because they're

994
01:17:36.399 --> 01:17:42.760
so small. I wouldn't own a
dog that wouldn't behave, you know,

995
01:17:42.960 --> 01:17:45.159
in a reasonable manner. You know, it's like, you know, I

996
01:17:45.239 --> 01:17:48.159
got friends that got you know,
great Danes and stuff, and they tell

997
01:17:48.199 --> 01:17:51.199
them go sit over there, and
their dog go sit over there and doesn't

998
01:17:51.239 --> 01:17:56.039
move, you know, to so
they tell them to move. And you

999
01:17:56.119 --> 01:18:00.399
know, then other people just have
those dogs and like I said, well

1000
01:18:00.680 --> 01:18:03.239
that's fine. I'm not judging judging, you know, just it's like they

1001
01:18:03.560 --> 01:18:06.239
just just too much for me.
I don't want to have to be dealing

1002
01:18:06.319 --> 01:18:09.920
with that. You know. It's
like having a child. I got you,

1003
01:18:12.319 --> 01:18:15.880
I got you on. Buster is
my dog and he pretty much listens

1004
01:18:15.960 --> 01:18:20.319
to me, but he's not the
one that barks that much. He he'll

1005
01:18:20.439 --> 01:18:25.319
join in when the others start at
it. But we got two females that

1006
01:18:25.399 --> 01:18:29.760
yeah at everything. Uh. So
that's that's what that's about. But anyway,

1007
01:18:30.359 --> 01:18:33.439
p p Pete got to meet the
the the mini mutt pack I have

1008
01:18:33.600 --> 01:18:36.880
in this place. It's it's pretty
funny. Like I said, there's four

1009
01:18:38.119 --> 01:18:42.319
adult dogs and then there's four little
puppies that are just about a month old

1010
01:18:42.800 --> 01:18:45.760
that we're about ready to hand off
to people. Hopefully they'll make them into

1011
01:18:45.800 --> 01:18:49.279
Christmas presents, uh, you know, and and that's that. Uh and

1012
01:18:49.439 --> 01:18:53.800
hopefully we won't have any more puppies. We'll have to get Buster fixed and

1013
01:18:53.960 --> 01:18:56.960
things will be all right. Anyways, anything else on your mind? Vance

1014
01:18:57.000 --> 01:18:59.880
before we move on to Jimmy James
and some of the stuff that he might

1015
01:19:00.000 --> 01:19:02.000
want to talk about, and maybe
we'll bounce back to you or whoever else

1016
01:19:02.039 --> 01:19:08.319
as we go. No, not
at all, skip to Jimmy alrighting,

1017
01:19:09.640 --> 01:19:14.399
So with that in mind, we'll
put advance on hold and go ahead and

1018
01:19:14.560 --> 01:19:18.319
grab Jimmy James and see what he
wants to bring up. So go ahead,

1019
01:19:18.399 --> 01:19:25.600
sir, The floor is yours,
all right, let me sure can

1020
01:19:26.319 --> 01:19:33.079
Yeah, all right? So monst, well let's put this way. What

1021
01:19:33.199 --> 01:19:42.680
do you know about Dick Kane?
Uh, mister Kane, Well, it

1022
01:19:42.840 --> 01:19:46.880
depends, it depends because I've heard
more than one person use that name.

1023
01:19:49.000 --> 01:19:59.239
So which which one are we talking
about? Richard Kine of uh POPIA and

1024
01:20:00.079 --> 01:20:05.800
Chicago Police and FBI. And turns
out he was always in the CIA fame.

1025
01:20:06.399 --> 01:20:13.800
Yeah, multiple multiple informant allegedly right
who who basically turns out was was

1026
01:20:13.960 --> 01:20:20.600
under agency control. Yeah, sure, what about him? There's no Yeah,

1027
01:20:20.760 --> 01:20:26.680
he's got a two on one file
went through uh CI. Seems to

1028
01:20:26.800 --> 01:20:30.520
be the first outfit that owned him. See that's the thing you gotta go

1029
01:20:32.199 --> 01:20:36.039
yeah, you gotta go now.
Well, I was just going to say

1030
01:20:36.079 --> 01:20:39.399
something real quick, Jimmy, is
that you got to go through the two

1031
01:20:39.439 --> 01:20:44.600
on one file particulars because, as
I stated on another show one night,

1032
01:20:44.680 --> 01:20:46.520
which shocks some people, I said, you know, I could be a

1033
01:20:46.600 --> 01:20:50.560
person of interest if two on one
files were still commonly used, and I'm

1034
01:20:50.600 --> 01:20:54.760
not sure if they are, uh
that you could just be a person of

1035
01:20:54.840 --> 01:20:59.479
interest to the CIA, and they
will generate a personnel file which ends up

1036
01:20:59.520 --> 01:21:04.079
with that two one designations because you're
simply a person of interest. But when

1037
01:21:04.119 --> 01:21:08.279
you start to dig into it,
you find out who's handling it, and

1038
01:21:08.439 --> 01:21:12.600
you start to find out if they
actually have a job and if they are

1039
01:21:12.760 --> 01:21:16.920
being directed by someone when you go
through the particulars. But simple existence of

1040
01:21:17.000 --> 01:21:21.399
a two a one file is almost
nothing. It just means that you were

1041
01:21:21.680 --> 01:21:27.439
interesting enough that they wanted to make
up a profile on you. Right.

1042
01:21:27.920 --> 01:21:33.439
But Caine, No, No,
there's personal file and then there's a personality

1043
01:21:33.560 --> 01:21:42.319
file. This was his whole file. There's handwritten No, it's same as

1044
01:21:42.399 --> 01:21:48.600
that Howard Hants isn't there. And
interestingly, also both of these characters were

1045
01:21:48.840 --> 01:21:57.239
much more hands I'm involved with the
Cubits than I ever would have thought.

1046
01:22:00.720 --> 01:22:06.199
Hands Richard Kane was not only working
for the CIA, who was working with

1047
01:22:06.439 --> 01:22:11.039
the Cubans down there, right,
you know that? Yes, one in

1048
01:22:11.119 --> 01:22:14.079
the same. See that's the thing
about Hunt, which is part of his

1049
01:22:14.279 --> 01:22:17.600
bona fide existence in the agency is
his work with the Cubans. Right,

1050
01:22:17.840 --> 01:22:23.640
huh yeah Hunt. But what about
Dick Kane? Yeah, of course,

1051
01:22:26.039 --> 01:22:29.079
of course, of course, of
course when I ain't heard of them,

1052
01:22:29.640 --> 01:22:34.920
so he was a janitor running Hughes. No, no, this is what

1053
01:22:35.119 --> 01:22:40.079
I really want to get into.
Well, now there there's a whole rabbit

1054
01:22:40.159 --> 01:22:43.319
hole. Yeah, that's a rabbit
hole. All interesting, but go ahead,

1055
01:22:43.600 --> 01:22:46.800
right, Well, that's it's it's
it's yeah, because you got to

1056
01:22:46.880 --> 01:22:50.800
get into Mayhew. Well you got
to get into Mayhew and you got to

1057
01:22:51.079 --> 01:22:55.520
you got to get into may Yeah. Good, yeah, yeah, yes,

1058
01:22:56.720 --> 01:23:03.479
I want to get into Uh let's
put well, let's put bad while

1059
01:23:03.479 --> 01:23:12.600
to pass this around as far as
that the same the man Howard Hughes was

1060
01:23:12.720 --> 01:23:19.600
dead as a door nail by nineteen
forty seven, and after that the CIA

1061
01:23:21.039 --> 01:23:29.319
this was their biggest front company.
I don't think that could be denied anymore?

1062
01:23:29.680 --> 01:23:34.319
Would everyone agree with that. Well, and if you don't, then

1063
01:23:34.439 --> 01:23:39.680
you should really really read the new
documents. Well, I would say that

1064
01:23:39.920 --> 01:23:46.239
I never doubted that Hughes provided a
whole lot of coverage for a whole lot

1065
01:23:46.279 --> 01:23:51.760
of assets. I mean, even
more than booth loose, right, Henry,

1066
01:23:53.199 --> 01:23:59.079
you know Henry and Claire, who
also provided them a lot. Gone,

1067
01:23:59.359 --> 01:24:02.000
I don't think he was alive,
Chuck, I'd say the man was

1068
01:24:02.159 --> 01:24:10.600
dead. Okay, the CIA what
Howard Hughes from the late forties? Well,

1069
01:24:10.640 --> 01:24:13.920
I don't know if it was that
early, but I'm certain that he

1070
01:24:14.079 --> 01:24:19.000
was dead for a while and they
were still utilizing all of his assets because

1071
01:24:19.119 --> 01:24:26.640
they had crawled into every single thing
that that guy owned. And this,

1072
01:24:27.359 --> 01:24:32.479
yeah, good, and I want
to get it. Also, what is

1073
01:24:32.600 --> 01:24:40.680
your guys' understanding what the octopuses was
supposedly whatever, et cetera. Was it

1074
01:24:40.880 --> 01:24:46.720
or was it not? My understanding
was it was a reference that the speaker

1075
01:24:46.760 --> 01:24:51.720
of the house that crashed his plane
in Alaska was talking about before he died

1076
01:24:51.760 --> 01:24:58.159
in the nearly seventies. Okay,
Well, there's a few people there,

1077
01:24:58.239 --> 01:25:04.479
but Castillaro's work on I think is
pretty solid. You have the octopus as

1078
01:25:04.560 --> 01:25:13.960
in the computer programs, right,
which ended up being becoming other surveillance programs

1079
01:25:14.920 --> 01:25:17.760
and getting into the echelon systems and
all that, which is not their proper

1080
01:25:17.880 --> 01:25:24.199
name, but is the commonly known
name for all of that surveillance stuff that

1081
01:25:24.600 --> 01:25:29.640
was you know, even pre internet, right when they had the the phone

1082
01:25:29.720 --> 01:25:34.319
line intersections and all that stuff,
and then continued on into the Internet age.

1083
01:25:34.560 --> 01:25:39.319
And it is unknown as to how
far the octopus actually went in my

1084
01:25:39.520 --> 01:25:45.600
mind today. And then you have
the other concept of the octopus, right,

1085
01:25:45.800 --> 01:25:50.960
which is the various agencies all coming
together, all these different arms coming

1086
01:25:51.039 --> 01:25:57.520
together into the one head, which
is this unknown agency, this unnamed agency

1087
01:25:57.600 --> 01:26:00.359
which is off the books. Right. So yeah, the two different concepts

1088
01:26:00.439 --> 01:26:06.880
which are overlapping. Uh, but
it all starts with that computer program in

1089
01:26:08.039 --> 01:26:12.760
my mind and Danny's work is there. That's what I think of the octopus.

1090
01:26:13.239 --> 01:26:18.359
But a little that computer stuff that
pop up into the eighties, Uh

1091
01:26:18.720 --> 01:26:27.640
right, the uh this is ten
years before. Who was that fool of

1092
01:26:27.680 --> 01:26:33.920
the quest and lasting? Well it
was he was very much I mean was

1093
01:26:34.239 --> 01:26:41.000
Hillbox Hillbox doing the work commission right? And uh, yeah, I don't

1094
01:26:41.119 --> 01:26:45.720
see the octopus he is referred to. Yeah, there might be a lot

1095
01:26:45.840 --> 01:26:54.560
of tentacles. But why are you
assuming that your agency because they reached it

1096
01:26:54.960 --> 01:27:00.279
ready, yes, but they reached
into the the Okay. It is a

1097
01:27:00.359 --> 01:27:08.560
matter of reaching into the government agencies
and non governmental organizations both simultaneous. This

1098
01:27:08.800 --> 01:27:14.760
is see, this is how you
end up with Even back to the fifties,

1099
01:27:14.880 --> 01:27:17.199
right, the intelligence agencies they wrote
they wrote the book on how you

1100
01:27:17.399 --> 01:27:20.880
hire people and you bring them in
as assets and all that stuff. I

1101
01:27:20.960 --> 01:27:25.239
mean you've heard this stuff on the
Assassination Guide that I've done, right,

1102
01:27:29.760 --> 01:27:35.119
which was written for Central South America. Okay, well, yeah, So

1103
01:27:35.359 --> 01:27:43.399
the thing is that concept where you
can create an intersection for organized crime,

1104
01:27:43.640 --> 01:27:47.000
political organizations, just like these Cubans, these different you know, the the

1105
01:27:47.159 --> 01:27:53.079
dre, the jury, all of
these organizations can all be swept in under

1106
01:27:53.159 --> 01:28:00.239
the very same umbrella without a problem
based on this organizations logistic thing like you

1107
01:28:00.359 --> 01:28:04.880
and me always assumed Watergate. I
mean, well, I'll speak to myself.

1108
01:28:04.960 --> 01:28:11.119
I believe it was also you and
still is. I believe that the

1109
01:28:11.279 --> 01:28:15.319
CIA had an awful act to do
it then. But I was recently,

1110
01:28:15.720 --> 01:28:23.239
for instance, watching a clip of
Helms. It was less than two weeks

1111
01:28:23.439 --> 01:28:30.960
after the water Gate fiasco, and
he was addressing his employees. Of course,

1112
01:28:31.079 --> 01:28:35.560
this was never aired until very recently. I never seen this clip,

1113
01:28:38.000 --> 01:28:44.119
and he's talking. He's just basically
assuring his employees that the CIA had nothing

1114
01:28:44.199 --> 01:28:47.680
to do with Watergate. There's no
reason to worry, he says, as

1115
01:28:47.800 --> 01:28:53.439
you know, none of you are
engaged in that. And if you had

1116
01:28:53.520 --> 01:28:58.439
read something in a tactical manual and
ask for permission, I definitely wouldn't to

1117
01:28:58.479 --> 01:29:01.359
give you permission to do something thing
like that. He says. We have

1118
01:29:01.640 --> 01:29:06.840
people to do these things in place, and believe me, if it had

1119
01:29:06.880 --> 01:29:13.159
been them, they went and have
been caught. Know this, unless they

1120
01:29:13.239 --> 01:29:17.439
were meant to get caught, you
know, that's unless they wanted to caught,

1121
01:29:17.680 --> 01:29:23.079
right. I think that for sure
that James McCord. I think the

1122
01:29:23.199 --> 01:29:29.520
only guy, ironically who probably knew
the least was the guy that did the

1123
01:29:29.640 --> 01:29:33.159
most time in the jail, the
FBI guy, the g man you got

1124
01:29:33.319 --> 01:29:40.920
it, Letty. Letty probably knew
the least, and he kept his mouth

1125
01:29:41.000 --> 01:29:46.479
shut the most. That's why he
did the time he did. No,

1126
01:29:46.640 --> 01:29:53.239
you you're absolutely I agree with you. That's that's the interesting part of this.

1127
01:29:53.399 --> 01:29:57.479
But when you take a look at
the fact that all these guys are

1128
01:29:58.079 --> 01:30:03.159
former agency people or were or you
know, definitely doing work for them one

1129
01:30:03.199 --> 01:30:08.159
way or another, and they're all
over this thing. And then they bring

1130
01:30:08.239 --> 01:30:13.399
in Liddy because he's a true believer, and he's you know, all about

1131
01:30:13.520 --> 01:30:15.560
we gotta save America, we gotta
save Nixon. I mean, it was

1132
01:30:15.680 --> 01:30:19.159
like the perfect people to bring together. And then you got Hunt who had

1133
01:30:19.199 --> 01:30:26.479
already been you know, washed out
pretty much, he was no longer useful.

1134
01:30:27.279 --> 01:30:30.880
The way I see it, at
that point, it's like the perfect

1135
01:30:30.920 --> 01:30:32.720
team to put together so that you
can make sure that these guys can all

1136
01:30:32.760 --> 01:30:38.600
get caught. You know, Bill, you gotta gotta give You got to

1137
01:30:38.640 --> 01:30:42.079
give Gordon Lyddy credit. I mean, he did his time, he took

1138
01:30:42.159 --> 01:30:46.960
his punishment, came back and built
a pretty decent career on radio. Yeah,

1139
01:30:47.159 --> 01:30:49.119
so I got to give him tread
for that. I mean, the

1140
01:30:49.119 --> 01:30:56.399
guy was sneaky as hell, shady
is all get out, but don't forget

1141
01:30:56.479 --> 01:31:05.279
you know, the boss. Well, I'll tell you what I advice,

1142
01:31:05.399 --> 01:31:11.560
but yeah, he certainly is is. You know, you look at like

1143
01:31:11.840 --> 01:31:15.720
Jack Abramoff, who got busted,
didn't get anything out of it. Slap

1144
01:31:15.800 --> 01:31:20.840
on the wrist, tried to blame
it on everybody else, and he gets

1145
01:31:20.880 --> 01:31:25.520
out of jail, people are offering
them jobs left and right. Lyddy went

1146
01:31:25.640 --> 01:31:28.960
down with his ship, took a
lot with him when he went to jail,

1147
01:31:29.600 --> 01:31:31.800
and nobody would do anything to help
him out afterwards. And I thought,

1148
01:31:31.880 --> 01:31:34.920
you know, look it all over
north. He got off on a

1149
01:31:35.000 --> 01:31:39.840
technicality, or his butt would have
been in jail. And he's saying,

1150
01:31:40.000 --> 01:31:43.199
you know, just as loud as
he could. That's one individual I thought

1151
01:31:43.239 --> 01:31:45.159
should have always had to pull time. But you got to give credit to

1152
01:31:45.560 --> 01:31:50.359
Liddy. He did be man of
his word. And I'll tell you that

1153
01:31:50.600 --> 01:31:55.840
HBO special that they did not too
long ago, that multi part series about

1154
01:31:55.880 --> 01:32:00.159
the burglaries, the guy they had
playing Liddy. I met Lyddy and I

1155
01:32:00.199 --> 01:32:04.640
think it was ninety ninety two,
maybe when he had that show, you

1156
01:32:04.680 --> 01:32:09.279
know, the G. Gordon Liddy
Show, and he was doing pretty well,

1157
01:32:09.399 --> 01:32:12.840
and I got to meet him because
I knew somebody worked at a DC

1158
01:32:13.079 --> 01:32:18.600
radio station, and there he was. And this guy in person is exactly

1159
01:32:18.720 --> 01:32:23.319
the guy that was being played on
that screen. Man whoever, I can't

1160
01:32:23.359 --> 01:32:27.000
remember the actor's name. He did
an incredible job because I looked at him.

1161
01:32:27.039 --> 01:32:30.640
I said, that is literally the
guy I met. I mean this

1162
01:32:30.079 --> 01:32:34.960
g Gordon Liddy was not faking it
in public when he did his things,

1163
01:32:35.039 --> 01:32:40.079
when he pulled that crap in court. That's exactly the guy who he was

1164
01:32:42.079 --> 01:32:44.840
according to when I met him.
That's that's who I met. Is this

1165
01:32:45.319 --> 01:32:48.680
character. He was a unique character. You gotta give him that. You

1166
01:32:48.760 --> 01:32:53.119
know, I probably would have never
agreed with a single damn thing the guy

1167
01:32:53.199 --> 01:32:56.920
ever said politically or whatever. But
one thing you had to give him is

1168
01:32:57.680 --> 01:33:00.159
that he was a real person.
And two said, he did his time.

1169
01:33:00.199 --> 01:33:02.439
He kept his mouth shut, and
he said, nope, I'm not

1170
01:33:02.520 --> 01:33:08.039
gonna bend on this or anything.
Doesn't matter. Everybody else does. Everybody

1171
01:33:08.079 --> 01:33:11.159
else gives up stuff. I mean, Colson's writing letters to the judge,

1172
01:33:11.760 --> 01:33:15.680
all this crap is going on.
Uh, you know he went. He

1173
01:33:15.920 --> 01:33:19.319
took it like a man. What
can I say? You know, what

1174
01:33:19.399 --> 01:33:25.800
do you think about Howard Dean Dean
to this day is shuffled out to CNN

1175
01:33:26.000 --> 01:33:33.600
to talk crap about Donald Trump.
Dean Dean never even got a sanction against

1176
01:33:33.680 --> 01:33:36.800
his ass for I mean, he
was up to his neck in until things

1177
01:33:36.880 --> 01:33:42.199
happened and decide to start screaming.
I tell you, what do you talk

1178
01:33:42.239 --> 01:33:45.239
about? A talk about a ball
man? That just her? It takes

1179
01:33:45.279 --> 01:33:49.479
me somebody's singing dance like that I
put I put Dean in the same category

1180
01:33:49.479 --> 01:33:53.319
as I do Oliver North. Don't
tell anybody else, says, you call

1181
01:33:53.439 --> 01:34:00.880
me a hero if you want.
Jane Dean Dean Dean was time to save

1182
01:34:00.960 --> 01:34:03.800
his own skin and didn't care about
anybody else. And he did it.

1183
01:34:03.920 --> 01:34:08.720
If he had just shut his mouth
shut, a lot of stuff wouldn't have

1184
01:34:08.760 --> 01:34:14.319
been found out. But he's a
rat. It was all to be dropped.

1185
01:34:14.399 --> 01:34:23.199
And then he said, tape recorders, what what's that song? See?

1186
01:34:23.199 --> 01:34:26.520
I thought that was not I thought
that was Butterfield who brought that out

1187
01:34:26.560 --> 01:34:30.920
first. Wasn't an Alejander Butterfield who
were all putting all Butterfield installed it.

1188
01:34:31.119 --> 01:34:36.880
He's the one that insisted Nixon do
it, and Butterfield was CIA. Yeah,

1189
01:34:36.920 --> 01:34:43.039
but that's the interesting I thought Butterfield
first when they brought him in front

1190
01:34:43.079 --> 01:34:46.439
of the committee, right, I
thought he was the first guy to like

1191
01:34:46.600 --> 01:34:49.960
say, oh, by the way, all this stuff is probably on tape.

1192
01:34:49.960 --> 01:34:53.680
I thought he was the guy who
alerted Maybe I got that backwards.

1193
01:34:55.439 --> 01:34:58.199
Yeah, I think as hired Dan. I think that's why he got such

1194
01:34:58.239 --> 01:35:01.640
a sweet, sweet deal, because
he was the only one to bring anything

1195
01:35:01.880 --> 01:35:05.520
tangible. I mean, the whole
thing was just gonna dissolve in or nothing.

1196
01:35:06.159 --> 01:35:12.039
Whoever brought up the ticks, I
thought it was Dean, But I

1197
01:35:12.119 --> 01:35:17.560
don't think the Butterfield tough much.
Did he Well, he did testify,

1198
01:35:17.800 --> 01:35:21.039
I know he testified. I just
can't remember if the order was that he

1199
01:35:21.199 --> 01:35:25.439
testified about the tape recorders and then
people started going, well, what's the

1200
01:35:25.520 --> 01:35:28.800
pen of that? Or if it
was Dean that first brought it up.

1201
01:35:29.039 --> 01:35:31.119
But I could have swore it was
Butterfield. You know what, I'm gonna

1202
01:35:31.119 --> 01:35:35.000
go do a little search on that
while I'm at it, just to you

1203
01:35:35.039 --> 01:35:40.479
know, just see what see what
the infrawebs say about it, because uh

1204
01:35:42.199 --> 01:35:46.039
yeah, let me just look up
Alexander Butterfield. See what he's best known

1205
01:35:46.199 --> 01:35:49.399
for. But again, another guy
who's you know, everybody who sabotaged it

1206
01:35:49.479 --> 01:35:55.760
all is his agency. I mean, everybody who threw monkey wrenches in there

1207
01:35:55.800 --> 01:36:01.920
his agency, except maybe Dean wasn't
you know, I bet you the gene

1208
01:36:02.119 --> 01:36:06.239
was I picked you? How I
picked the g Man wasn't and that's about

1209
01:36:06.359 --> 01:36:10.239
it. And the rest of them, I think, yeah, they were

1210
01:36:10.399 --> 01:36:15.439
CIA, but yeah, I also
think that they were Rose well look and

1211
01:36:15.960 --> 01:36:19.640
some of them. Yeah, I'm
not saying I always like to lean into

1212
01:36:19.680 --> 01:36:24.840
Wikipedia. But when you go to
a Butterfield on Wikipedia, one of the

1213
01:36:24.880 --> 01:36:30.800
first things that comes up is revelation
of the taping system. So you know,

1214
01:36:30.479 --> 01:36:35.560
let's see, uh one that put
it on Erlokman. He Dean tried

1215
01:36:35.600 --> 01:36:40.119
to cover Nixon's but by saying it
was all Erlokman's idea and he did it

1216
01:36:40.199 --> 01:36:43.960
on his own. But and I
didn't know this, but Dean did get

1217
01:36:44.039 --> 01:36:49.600
disbarred after he took his one one
guilty plead, after you know, working

1218
01:36:49.640 --> 01:36:54.000
out a deal. So I thought
I thought he went unscathed. I was

1219
01:36:54.119 --> 01:36:59.359
mistaken. Now that's weird. That's
weird because I thought he was disparred before

1220
01:36:59.680 --> 01:37:06.479
the find the Nixon administration for something
you did in the Navy. Now after

1221
01:37:06.560 --> 01:37:11.279
his plea deal on Watergate is when
he was disbarred. Now that's in Maryland.

1222
01:37:11.319 --> 01:37:15.199
I don't know if it was another
state or if it was in d

1223
01:37:15.439 --> 01:37:23.920
C. But yeah, okay,
of course I forgot. You can have

1224
01:37:24.359 --> 01:37:29.159
the bar member of the bar in
several states or something. Right, right,

1225
01:37:29.239 --> 01:37:31.880
Well, according to what I'm reading
here, apparently in an attempt to

1226
01:37:32.000 --> 01:37:38.600
impugne Dean's testimony, because Dean had
testified but not about the taping system.

1227
01:37:39.319 --> 01:37:43.680
In an attempt to impugne Dean's testimony, they went and sought out, you

1228
01:37:43.760 --> 01:37:47.119
know, the Butterfield, and they
get Butterfield there, who then gives them

1229
01:37:47.399 --> 01:37:53.880
the initial idea that everything is on
tape. The existence of the taping system,

1230
01:37:54.600 --> 01:37:58.479
that was the thing. So yeah, it looks to me like they

1231
01:37:58.680 --> 01:38:02.279
were going after Dean's test stimony and
they get a document that basically says,

1232
01:38:02.359 --> 01:38:06.279
hey, look, Butterfield knows about
the taping system. And then they brought

1233
01:38:06.359 --> 01:38:11.319
him in public to testify and he
said, yeah, that's what went on.

1234
01:38:11.479 --> 01:38:14.279
And apparently there's video of it out
there. I guess we can find

1235
01:38:14.319 --> 01:38:18.720
it somewhere. Yeah, let's see
in the obtained in the document, has

1236
01:38:18.800 --> 01:38:24.319
realized that indicated the existence of the
taping system. So right, and that

1237
01:38:24.520 --> 01:38:32.359
was with J. J. Fred
Birch Bizard, I don't even remember that

1238
01:38:32.439 --> 01:38:39.319
guy. Let's see, provided the
committee's Chief Minority Republican Council, Fred Thompson,

1239
01:38:39.840 --> 01:38:45.079
with a document intended to impugne Dean's
testimony. His document included almost verbatim

1240
01:38:45.159 --> 01:38:51.119
quotations from meetings Nixon had with Dean. Thompson initially violated an agreement under which

1241
01:38:51.239 --> 01:38:57.159
the majority and Minority staff would share
all information when the committee. Yees see,

1242
01:38:57.720 --> 01:39:01.840
that's the thing. They provided that
to Fred Thompson and h and then

1243
01:39:01.920 --> 01:39:04.399
he revealed it and said, we
got to get Butterfield in here. When

1244
01:39:04.399 --> 01:39:10.119
they got Butterfield in there, he
publicly said, yeah, we taped everything,

1245
01:39:10.239 --> 01:39:14.000
and that's why we had direct quotes, exact quotes that we were able

1246
01:39:14.039 --> 01:39:18.720
to provide to you. So about
trying to impune Die about what he knew.

1247
01:39:19.640 --> 01:39:25.119
So that's how that came about.
But and then I guess and then

1248
01:39:25.159 --> 01:39:27.840
after that it just fell into place. And let's see, in June of

1249
01:39:27.920 --> 01:39:33.039
seventy three, all this went on. So okay, that's what I'm reading

1250
01:39:33.119 --> 01:39:56.760
anyhow, Yeah, wow, ye, So anyways, what was the so

1251
01:39:57.680 --> 01:40:02.359
yeah, and also don't forget Menchell, the guy who lived in the later

1252
01:40:02.560 --> 01:40:14.079
Gate, if he did period knowledge, well, he wound up resigning and

1253
01:40:14.159 --> 01:40:16.199
all that, and his wife was
running around saying eight thousand things. And

1254
01:40:16.279 --> 01:40:23.239
then there's the whole adventure with his
wife. Right, we're a little in

1255
01:40:23.279 --> 01:40:29.720
ementary here that describes how Dean was
still White House counsel, but he was

1256
01:40:29.840 --> 01:40:36.279
working with the Prosecutor's office and it
was him giving the prosecutors which direction to

1257
01:40:36.439 --> 01:40:45.600
ask questions that led to them questioning
Butterfield and the revelation about the tapes came

1258
01:40:45.680 --> 01:40:51.039
out. So apparently it was Dean
kind of leading the prosecutor on to reveal

1259
01:40:51.159 --> 01:40:56.079
the tapes were there. See,
they got this other thing here with them

1260
01:40:56.159 --> 01:41:00.399
handing a document to Thompson, you
know, on the committee where it's like,

1261
01:41:00.479 --> 01:41:04.640
wait a minute, how did you
get direct quotes? And I don't

1262
01:41:04.680 --> 01:41:08.079
know, you know, it could
be there's multiple stories on this, just

1263
01:41:08.199 --> 01:41:09.760
like you know, people want to
go, well, who do you think

1264
01:41:09.800 --> 01:41:14.920
deep Throat was? You know,
like, which is funny because I thought

1265
01:41:14.920 --> 01:41:17.720
that was settled a couple of years
ago. But uh no, I don't

1266
01:41:17.800 --> 01:41:23.039
believe that. I think grab you
got the kidding me. They grabbed some

1267
01:41:23.359 --> 01:41:28.399
smiling ninety five year old with all
timers and bring them out waving. Now

1268
01:41:29.039 --> 01:41:35.680
I'll buy it. Deep Throat was
not that dude. Well, wasn't only

1269
01:41:35.880 --> 01:41:41.479
that dude? Well? You know, according to uh, Clyde Lewis the

1270
01:41:41.520 --> 01:41:43.479
other night. I think he was
trying to say George H. W.

1271
01:41:43.640 --> 01:41:45.520
Bush was deep throat or something.
I'm like, I don't understand you.

1272
01:41:46.800 --> 01:41:53.239
Yeah, that's just stupid. But
interestingly, one week before that story Burke

1273
01:41:53.399 --> 01:42:00.399
that was a big like ABC News
actually aired a special was George Bush or

1274
01:42:00.119 --> 01:42:04.960
deep Throat? And then like one
week later, I crap you not,

1275
01:42:05.479 --> 01:42:11.680
they brought that old guy out said
well here's deep throp mister. So interesting

1276
01:42:11.760 --> 01:42:16.239
how they do that, isn't it? Mark Mark? Mark? No,

1277
01:42:17.800 --> 01:42:23.840
Mark, so, Mark Felts,
Mark Felps. He was the number three

1278
01:42:24.680 --> 01:42:29.760
and he after Hoover died, he
was po that he didn't get made directors,

1279
01:42:30.319 --> 01:42:38.359
probably why he was snitching. And
uh yeah, he was singing like

1280
01:42:38.479 --> 01:42:42.039
a canary, but I don't think
it was just too Yeah, Clyde was

1281
01:42:42.119 --> 01:42:45.039
killing me on the show the other
night because he kept insisting on going back

1282
01:42:45.079 --> 01:42:48.439
to this, you know, JD. Tippins's body being swapped for JFK's And

1283
01:42:48.800 --> 01:42:53.119
uh oh, yeah, that's what
I was going to talk to you about.

1284
01:42:53.239 --> 01:42:58.960
I read the summary of that zero
ground zero show, as I call

1285
01:42:59.039 --> 01:43:04.479
it crap. I read several paragraphs
on that theory before they mentioned that you're

1286
01:43:04.560 --> 01:43:09.760
gonna be on the ass, like, huh, why would he invite Chuck?

1287
01:43:10.359 --> 01:43:13.720
Yeah? Well, and then he
had a call. It's too funny

1288
01:43:13.760 --> 01:43:16.079
too. This one caller gets on
and goes, I read two books on

1289
01:43:16.199 --> 01:43:19.079
the case and I know everything I
need to know. And he goes,

1290
01:43:19.159 --> 01:43:21.800
you know, one of them was
JFK and The Unspeakable and the other one

1291
01:43:21.920 --> 01:43:26.920
was me and Lee and I said, oh my god, you know.

1292
01:43:27.640 --> 01:43:30.880
And then we went to commercial break
and I'm like, oh, you did

1293
01:43:30.960 --> 01:43:32.520
not let me get and hit.
I mean, I finally got back on

1294
01:43:32.560 --> 01:43:34.520
the other side. I said,
you know, before we go any further,

1295
01:43:34.600 --> 01:43:39.520
Clyde, first thing is Judith Arry
Baker's Full of Crap and a story.

1296
01:43:39.720 --> 01:43:44.840
Next, I would recommend that you
read JFK. The Unspeakable, but

1297
01:43:45.159 --> 01:43:47.840
uh. And I recommended Walt Brown's
book right there on his show, but

1298
01:43:48.119 --> 01:43:54.600
uh. And then he's yelling at
me about a Carter appointing Bush to be

1299
01:43:54.880 --> 01:43:58.920
CIA director and I'm like, Clyde, stop, stop, stop, you're

1300
01:43:58.960 --> 01:44:04.439
wrong. It's Ford, who you
know did that? I said. The

1301
01:44:04.520 --> 01:44:11.000
funny thing about Carter is he tried
to put ted Sorenson in. And here's

1302
01:44:11.039 --> 01:44:14.600
an interesting side note. I want
to see which one of them laughs first.

1303
01:44:14.680 --> 01:44:16.520
Ready, guys out there, it
will be b Pete or Jimmy who

1304
01:44:16.600 --> 01:44:23.079
laughs first when I say this?
Okay, Jimmy Carter appoints Ted Sorenson,

1305
01:44:23.159 --> 01:44:27.680
who was the speech writer for JFK, to try and be the head of

1306
01:44:27.720 --> 01:44:33.079
the CIA. A particular senator whose
name you know killed that assisted in killing

1307
01:44:33.199 --> 01:44:40.039
it for a particular reason. That
senator was Joe Biden. And why did

1308
01:44:40.119 --> 01:44:44.520
Joe Biden really go after Ted Sorenson
being appointed to the head of the CIA

1309
01:44:44.640 --> 01:44:47.159
and wound up you know, he
ended up with jen what was it,

1310
01:44:47.560 --> 01:44:53.920
Admiral Stansfield Turner right, ended up
being the guy who was ineffective as CIA

1311
01:44:54.039 --> 01:44:58.680
leader because he just nobody wanted him
in there, okay, and they weren't

1312
01:44:58.680 --> 01:45:01.920
going to work with him. He
wasn't inside guy. But Sorensen got scuttled

1313
01:45:02.239 --> 01:45:09.319
by Joe Biden and the gang of
senators. Why ready, mishandling of classified

1314
01:45:09.439 --> 01:45:16.239
documents. I'm not kidding you.
Look it up. I swear to God,

1315
01:45:16.439 --> 01:45:19.039
and I told that to Clyde.
I said, do you find that

1316
01:45:19.159 --> 01:45:26.159
hilarious or no? I do.
Come on, you guys, don't find

1317
01:45:26.199 --> 01:45:36.000
that funny? No, I find
nutshell? Is that not the the the

1318
01:45:36.359 --> 01:45:44.840
the apex of hypocrisy? I mean, I mean it was the nineteen seventies,

1319
01:45:44.880 --> 01:45:47.560
but come on, inside the Beltway, you know, did you have

1320
01:45:47.720 --> 01:45:53.319
politicians constantly complaining about something somebody else
is doing and they're all just projecting?

1321
01:45:53.800 --> 01:45:57.760
Oh yeah, No, usually the
guys. Yeah, Usually the guy who's

1322
01:45:57.760 --> 01:46:01.199
screaming the loudest about somebody else doing
something awful is exactly the guy you're going

1323
01:46:01.279 --> 01:46:05.000
to bust doing that awful thing.
That's the funny part about it. Yeah,

1324
01:46:06.319 --> 01:46:14.000
right, Jimmy, isn't that true? I've heard that? Yeah.

1325
01:46:14.239 --> 01:46:15.159
I mean, but but think about
did you? I mean, and you

1326
01:46:15.239 --> 01:46:19.840
didn't know that, did you?
That Joe Biden scuttled the sorens and appointment

1327
01:46:19.960 --> 01:46:27.600
to head of CIA under that premise
that he had mishandled classified documents while he

1328
01:46:27.800 --> 01:46:32.239
was involved working in the Kennedy administration. Isn't that great? No? No,

1329
01:46:32.520 --> 01:46:36.199
And see that kind of really makes
me bad because that there would have

1330
01:46:36.279 --> 01:46:41.520
been a guy who might have actually
done something. Yeah, that's exactly what

1331
01:46:41.640 --> 01:46:46.279
I was thinking. Yep, Man, Joe Biden's never been right. Twice

1332
01:46:46.359 --> 01:46:50.880
in one day, I swear,
No, I got you no, this

1333
01:46:51.000 --> 01:46:55.359
is this is the guy who could
miss the ground falling down. I mean,

1334
01:46:55.720 --> 01:46:59.399
I don't know what to say.
I just it is unbelievable to me

1335
01:47:00.359 --> 01:47:02.520
that he doesn't if Joe going to
have a horse shoe up his butt.

1336
01:47:03.159 --> 01:47:06.960
I don't know what the issue is. You know, to to have you

1337
01:47:08.039 --> 01:47:11.800
know, to to have that as
your past, you know, fighting somebody

1338
01:47:11.880 --> 01:47:15.079
that's a nominee for something, and
then to turn around just days ago they

1339
01:47:15.119 --> 01:47:18.000
announced they're not going to charge Biden
for having crap he wasn't supposed to have

1340
01:47:18.159 --> 01:47:23.119
from way back when he was a
senator. That's why I'm so fed up

1341
01:47:23.239 --> 01:47:26.560
with freaking Washington, d C.
And all the assholes that are inside the

1342
01:47:26.640 --> 01:47:31.199
belt line, because it's just it's
it's it's just pathetic. We have become

1343
01:47:31.359 --> 01:47:38.720
one pathetic nation that we can't prosecute
somebody for something that was a blatant breaking

1344
01:47:38.960 --> 01:47:44.439
of the law because of their elite
status. I'm just sick of it.

1345
01:47:44.720 --> 01:47:48.359
I'm so sick of it. I
know, but you know, welcome to

1346
01:47:48.479 --> 01:47:54.479
America. I see it. I
know, I know not everybody likes to

1347
01:47:54.520 --> 01:47:57.319
see it that way, but I
say, you know what, the only

1348
01:47:57.520 --> 01:48:01.840
problem with being a criminal is If
you're not a connected, hooked up criminal,

1349
01:48:02.159 --> 01:48:06.319
you go to jail. Otherwise you
get to wander free. It doesn't

1350
01:48:06.359 --> 01:48:12.199
matter who you rip off, it
doesn't matter what you do that is dishonest.

1351
01:48:12.319 --> 01:48:15.199
It doesn't matter what classified information you
sell, it doesn't matter what other

1352
01:48:15.399 --> 01:48:19.920
foreign nation you sell out to.
Unless you are a large scale criminal.

1353
01:48:20.359 --> 01:48:25.399
See, if you're not a big
enough fish, they won't throw you in

1354
01:48:25.520 --> 01:48:28.760
the tank. That's the thing.
If you're a big enough fish, they

1355
01:48:28.800 --> 01:48:32.520
can't throw you in the tank.
That's America in a nutshell in my mind.

1356
01:48:32.640 --> 01:48:36.079
If you're a big enough criminal,
you can't be prosecuted. Very simple.

1357
01:48:36.319 --> 01:48:41.720
You'll walk every time. That's all
there is to it. But don't

1358
01:48:41.760 --> 01:48:45.960
be a low level criminal in America. H don't be selling dimebags. Nope,

1359
01:48:46.159 --> 01:48:50.079
you better be a trafficker, and
a massive one at that, because

1360
01:48:50.119 --> 01:48:55.239
then you can cut a deal and
walk away. Don't steal one hundred dollars,

1361
01:48:55.359 --> 01:49:00.399
don't steal one thousand dollars. Don't
steal ten thousand dollars. Steal billions

1362
01:49:00.520 --> 01:49:05.119
or billions, because that is how
you don't go to prison. See that's

1363
01:49:05.119 --> 01:49:11.039
the way I see it. So
you know, never steal small, Never

1364
01:49:11.199 --> 01:49:15.199
do things small, because that's that's
how you'll go to prison. I don't

1365
01:49:15.199 --> 01:49:17.640
know, maybe it's just me again. I'm gonna stop giving my opinion on

1366
01:49:17.720 --> 01:49:24.840
the Friday night shows because it's just
it. It's too much anymore. I

1367
01:49:24.920 --> 01:49:27.680
want to hear from you guys.
Like I said, so b Pete,

1368
01:49:27.680 --> 01:49:30.800
we're coming down to you know,
the last little bit here. I think

1369
01:49:30.840 --> 01:49:33.560
we'll go about another seventeen minutes,
but I want to give everybody a chance

1370
01:49:33.640 --> 01:49:36.399
to speak if anybody else wants to
join us here at the very tail end

1371
01:49:36.840 --> 01:49:41.520
three one nine five two seven five
zero one six, Probably nobody's going to

1372
01:49:41.600 --> 01:49:44.960
join us. Did you put any
I haven't been in the chat room,

1373
01:49:45.000 --> 01:49:46.479
by the way, is there anything
interesting going on there? Chat tonight?

1374
01:49:47.880 --> 01:49:50.960
Well being phase? Let's see who
else? Couple other short us here,

1375
01:49:51.039 --> 01:49:58.119
Let's see we phase? Who else? A couple of anonymous is in the

1376
01:49:58.239 --> 01:50:02.079
room. Not a lot going on. I will give a public service announcement.

1377
01:50:02.119 --> 01:50:05.920
If anybody needs to check the color
on their TV. I would suggest

1378
01:50:06.000 --> 01:50:13.439
turning on Fox College Football, your
local Fox station, not not Fox Fox,

1379
01:50:13.720 --> 01:50:16.479
you know, the one that everybody
hates. Because Oregon State is playing

1380
01:50:16.640 --> 01:50:23.520
Oregon and my TV is going into
spasms. Now the color manager doesn't know

1381
01:50:23.600 --> 01:50:26.399
what to do. If you're watching
this, you can see one team in

1382
01:50:26.560 --> 01:50:30.880
kelly green and yellow and the other
in burnt fluorescent orange. Wow. So

1383
01:50:31.680 --> 01:50:39.159
just be prepared for the graphic plant. Uh, it's pretty intense. Otherwise

1384
01:50:39.199 --> 01:50:44.039
it's a great game. But no
beyond that, An still with us.

1385
01:50:44.680 --> 01:50:46.159
Yeah, I believe he is.
You want me to just bum Okay,

1386
01:50:46.159 --> 01:50:49.840
I'll put Jimmy on hold for a
moment. I love this Watergate talk though,

1387
01:50:49.880 --> 01:50:53.760
Jimmy. It is great stuff,
and I'd love to go back over

1388
01:50:53.840 --> 01:50:57.359
it. Maybe I can convince Morley
to show up again to promote his book

1389
01:50:57.399 --> 01:51:00.359
again or something, and we can
get maybe we can get some other people.

1390
01:51:00.439 --> 01:51:02.960
I know some other people I want
to bring on the show for that

1391
01:51:03.880 --> 01:51:09.840
topic actually, because I'd like to
go back over it and get get a

1392
01:51:09.880 --> 01:51:12.359
lot of stuff straight. But let's
bring Vance back on for now, and

1393
01:51:12.399 --> 01:51:15.159
we'll end up getting Jimmy back in
before we're done, for sure. So

1394
01:51:15.399 --> 01:51:18.880
Vance, I don't know you heard
some of what went on here. If

1395
01:51:18.920 --> 01:51:21.279
you want to throw something else in, uh, you got time, go

1396
01:51:21.359 --> 01:51:30.119
ahead. I'll just you know,
to say the DT. That's the difference

1397
01:51:30.159 --> 01:51:33.279
in a libertarian and an anarchist.
There's two more election cycles, so you

1398
01:51:33.399 --> 01:51:38.159
know, hopefully people are going to
figure it out here pretty soon. It's

1399
01:51:38.359 --> 01:51:42.520
it's you know, the Washington d
C. The whole system is a criminal

1400
01:51:42.720 --> 01:51:45.960
enterprise. Okay, so you know, criminals in, criminals out. There's

1401
01:51:46.279 --> 01:51:56.239
some kind of phrase I heard recently
about criminals don't become politicians politicians or yeah,

1402
01:51:56.479 --> 01:52:00.840
politicians don't become criminals, criminals become
politicians. You know. So you

1403
01:52:00.920 --> 01:52:04.319
know that that seems to be pretty
you know, self evident. And like

1404
01:52:04.439 --> 01:52:10.039
you said, the CIA is the
biggest drug snuggler and you know they're they're

1405
01:52:10.079 --> 01:52:13.239
not accountable for it. That's a
chromo organization, isn't you know. I

1406
01:52:13.319 --> 01:52:15.319
mean, all this stuff has been
exposed over and over and over. It's

1407
01:52:15.399 --> 01:52:20.960
an open seat. Oh yeah,
government cartel that seems to be running things

1408
01:52:21.079 --> 01:52:25.960
now. It's just I think people
get a little tired of it. I

1409
01:52:26.079 --> 01:52:30.039
keep hoping that I think it's the
same it's the same cartel that took over

1410
01:52:30.119 --> 01:52:32.439
it during the Kennedy administration, which
you know, I don't know how much

1411
01:52:32.520 --> 01:52:41.000
of a takeover it was versus just
a shifting gears, you know, to

1412
01:52:41.680 --> 01:52:45.479
to you know, go go full
steam without even worrying about it anymore,

1413
01:52:45.600 --> 01:52:48.520
you know. And you know,
by that time, I guess they,

1414
01:52:49.039 --> 01:52:53.920
you know, got a pretty good
handle on the propaganda. And then they

1415
01:52:54.000 --> 01:52:57.399
hold on to the Zapruder film for
over twenty years, and you know,

1416
01:52:57.600 --> 01:53:03.279
so who knows, you know,
what's been manipulated or you know, withheld

1417
01:53:03.359 --> 01:53:10.359
in that footage. And it seemed
like I saw something, and don't hold

1418
01:53:10.399 --> 01:53:12.920
this against me. I saw something. There was like a picture and I

1419
01:53:12.960 --> 01:53:15.359
didn't It was like an art film
and I didn't click on it. But

1420
01:53:15.479 --> 01:53:18.479
there was like a picture of someone
else that is supposedly there's a JFK.

1421
01:53:18.960 --> 01:53:24.600
You know, guy that could be
JFC still alive, but it's not Jamie

1422
01:53:24.640 --> 01:53:28.920
Carter. It didn't look like heard
it any Is that ring a bell?

1423
01:53:29.600 --> 01:53:31.439
Yeah, there's a bunch of stuff
like that out there. But here's the

1424
01:53:31.520 --> 01:53:34.479
thing about you know, people that
say, okay, we didn't see the

1425
01:53:34.520 --> 01:53:40.439
Subruterer film for all these years.
Actually, if you went and bought volume

1426
01:53:40.560 --> 01:53:45.680
eighteen of the Warren commissioned volumes,
they printed the Zubruterer film frame by frame,

1427
01:53:47.439 --> 01:53:50.159
you know, so I was printed
in nineteen sixty four. Out there,

1428
01:53:50.239 --> 01:53:54.680
you could actually get that. I
think it's Volume eighteen. You could

1429
01:53:54.720 --> 01:53:57.359
look at that one the next film
in the much More film. All three

1430
01:53:57.399 --> 01:54:00.880
of them were printed frame by frame. Now, they did grew up and

1431
01:54:01.039 --> 01:54:06.159
reversed a couple of frames in the
government printing office there, which you know,

1432
01:54:06.239 --> 01:54:12.079
people complained about because it made something
seem a little strange. But otherwise

1433
01:54:12.159 --> 01:54:15.039
all the frames that we wind up
seeing later on Heraldo Show in seventy five

1434
01:54:15.560 --> 01:54:20.720
were printed in nineteen sixty four.
Publicly, you know, I've always wanted

1435
01:54:21.880 --> 01:54:25.800
a copy of which Jimmy had brought
up that he might be able to get

1436
01:54:25.800 --> 01:54:29.119
a hold of those Warren Commission volumes. I want an update on that because

1437
01:54:29.239 --> 01:54:32.560
I recently saw the cheapest one sold
in quite a while is selling on eBay

1438
01:54:32.680 --> 01:54:38.000
right now for two grand, the
complete volumes. But I believe it's Volume

1439
01:54:38.079 --> 01:54:43.199
eighteen that contains all the frames of
the Supruter film. Good. Yeah.

1440
01:54:43.399 --> 01:54:45.880
In response to vance she had,
Chuck and I had a discussion while we

1441
01:54:45.960 --> 01:54:50.319
were driving, and you know,
Chuck made the comments that even as the

1442
01:54:50.399 --> 01:54:57.720
government opened up and confessed tomorrow and
said, okay, folks, this is

1443
01:54:57.800 --> 01:55:00.960
what happened, this is who was
an ball, and this is how it

1444
01:55:01.039 --> 01:55:05.199
went down, you'd still have arguments
over it because half the people WHI off

1445
01:55:05.279 --> 01:55:10.399
that that wouldn't believe them because of
all the craft that they've been putting out

1446
01:55:10.439 --> 01:55:14.359
for years, and the other half
would just sit there and argue about,

1447
01:55:14.399 --> 01:55:15.680
well, there's no way that could
have happened because of such and such,

1448
01:55:15.720 --> 01:55:19.560
such and such and such and such. So even if we had the information

1449
01:55:19.640 --> 01:55:24.359
out in front of us, you
know, how well received would it be

1450
01:55:25.640 --> 01:55:29.399
that big? I've said that on
this I've said that on this show that

1451
01:55:29.600 --> 01:55:31.319
that exact thing is like, you
know that you know, we're never going

1452
01:55:31.399 --> 01:55:34.119
to know for sure for sure,
because you know there's always going to be

1453
01:55:34.279 --> 01:55:41.479
these you know, different you know
ask you know, perceptions and you know

1454
01:55:41.680 --> 01:55:45.199
focuses by different people with you know, certain proclivities or whatever. You know,

1455
01:55:45.399 --> 01:55:48.159
So you know that to me,
you know, it's it's kind of

1456
01:55:48.560 --> 01:55:51.079
almost getting to be like a sy
off at this point. You know,

1457
01:55:53.960 --> 01:55:56.680
who knows you know, what's real
what's not, you know, And maybe

1458
01:55:56.760 --> 01:55:59.119
that's part of the sy of you
know, there's you know, they'll tell

1459
01:55:59.119 --> 01:56:00.720
you you know there's a little bit
of truth here, and and you know

1460
01:56:00.920 --> 01:56:03.680
that makes us you know so well, you know it seems to be kind

1461
01:56:03.680 --> 01:56:08.159
of just a normal propaganda, you
know, I understand, yeah, I

1462
01:56:08.279 --> 01:56:10.840
understand that advance. But you know
what the counter is, in my mind,

1463
01:56:10.880 --> 01:56:15.359
the reason why it's still worth it
is because we continue to learn so

1464
01:56:15.560 --> 01:56:19.840
many other things, uh that are
connected to this, how certain things work,

1465
01:56:19.960 --> 01:56:26.560
how they manipulated media assets, et
cetera, et cetera. That that

1466
01:56:26.720 --> 01:56:29.840
to me, even if the ultimate
truth is not being repealed, you know,

1467
01:56:29.960 --> 01:56:32.920
by the revelations from the documents and
so on, we are learning a

1468
01:56:33.119 --> 01:56:39.760
great many other things about the the
grand deceptions, about the things where we've

1469
01:56:39.760 --> 01:56:44.359
been misled about, you know,
dragging us into a you know, one

1470
01:56:44.359 --> 01:56:46.840
of my key points always is about
the Vietnam War and that it was not

1471
01:56:47.079 --> 01:56:53.880
necessary, you know. And and
that's the thing is that how did they

1472
01:56:54.079 --> 01:56:59.920
justify that with a bullet hole through
a ship's hull? You know, maybe

1473
01:57:00.600 --> 01:57:04.560
that happened one night with with the
attack there the Gulf of Tonkin, the

1474
01:57:04.680 --> 01:57:10.840
alleged attack, even though we were
actually violating somebody's territorial waters with our ships

1475
01:57:10.920 --> 01:57:14.520
and this and that and blah blah
blah. You come to find out that

1476
01:57:14.680 --> 01:57:18.720
the thing that they said was a
justification to carry that on for a decade

1477
01:57:19.920 --> 01:57:27.800
didn't even happen. You know,
stuff like that gets learned definitively through this

1478
01:57:28.000 --> 01:57:30.359
research. You get to learn that, you know what, somebody has a

1479
01:57:30.399 --> 01:57:34.920
public job title, maybe they were
doing something else behind the scenes. You

1480
01:57:35.000 --> 01:57:40.600
know, the various investigations in the
seventies because of public pressure, et cetera,

1481
01:57:40.680 --> 01:57:45.600
et cetera. I mean, the
family Jewels documents. You know,

1482
01:57:45.039 --> 01:57:49.800
people learned about contingency plans and strange
things like north Woods. You know,

1483
01:57:50.000 --> 01:57:57.039
exactly how is it that our government
might might decide to provoke a conflict with

1484
01:57:57.159 --> 01:58:00.680
a foreign nation under false pretenses?
You know, Well, things like that

1485
01:58:00.960 --> 01:58:08.560
mean that there's a possibility that people
might push back against that kind of crap.

1486
01:58:09.600 --> 01:58:12.680
You know, they might push back
against it, and it might change

1487
01:58:12.720 --> 01:58:15.079
people's minds enough that at some point
they will have enough of all of this

1488
01:58:16.079 --> 01:58:19.520
and there might be changes that are
forced, and it might be incremental and

1489
01:58:19.600 --> 01:58:24.800
it might take you know, generations, but at some point, I mean,

1490
01:58:24.840 --> 01:58:28.600
we have the opportunity to get this
right. That's what I keep hoping

1491
01:58:28.680 --> 01:58:32.239
for it And and I didn't mean
to be you know, uh, you

1492
01:58:32.359 --> 01:58:36.760
know, degrading everything. In my
opinion of that happening. I mean,

1493
01:58:36.760 --> 01:58:41.119
you know, saying that I'm glad
there's people like you and you know,

1494
01:58:41.399 --> 01:58:45.039
like the young kid you're man you
were talking about, you know earlier and

1495
01:58:45.119 --> 01:58:47.239
all that, it's important to keep
doing it. It's just that, you

1496
01:58:47.319 --> 01:58:51.399
know, there's That's not one of
my main focuses. I'm trying, you

1497
01:58:51.479 --> 01:58:56.479
know, I want to focus on
how do we, you know, get

1498
01:58:56.600 --> 01:58:59.880
enough people to understand, you know, quit quit trying to find a find

1499
01:59:00.039 --> 01:59:02.560
details, and just recognize the fact
that the system is broken and we need

1500
01:59:02.640 --> 01:59:06.239
to totally rearrange it. And you
know, it's not really that hard to

1501
01:59:06.279 --> 01:59:11.199
do. It just takes a little
imagination and little want to. But you

1502
01:59:11.279 --> 01:59:15.399
know, the way that they keep
everybody running around chasing their tails on every

1503
01:59:15.439 --> 01:59:17.520
little thing, you know, every
day, it's really hard to you know,

1504
01:59:17.640 --> 01:59:20.560
make that happen. But you know, so that's just what I'm saying.

1505
01:59:20.560 --> 01:59:26.279
I wasn't really trying to dismiss,
you know, any investigations or you

1506
01:59:26.359 --> 01:59:29.119
know, people that are you know, really into it and all that,

1507
01:59:29.319 --> 01:59:32.880
and that you know, there's a
pruder film when I when I understand that,

1508
01:59:33.000 --> 01:59:36.680
you know, Henry Loose was a
skull and bones and you know,

1509
01:59:36.840 --> 01:59:40.840
and all that on time life and
all that. So you know, there's

1510
01:59:41.359 --> 01:59:45.399
you know, there's a mechanism for
you know, collusion there. And you

1511
01:59:45.479 --> 01:59:48.720
know, I'm sure they had technology
to you know, do whatever they wanted

1512
01:59:48.800 --> 01:59:53.279
to do with you know, a
film, to produce you know, slides

1513
01:59:53.319 --> 01:59:56.760
from or whatever. So you know, and that's just my nature. Like

1514
01:59:56.840 --> 01:59:59.800
you say, you know, no
matter what, you know, someone else

1515
01:59:59.800 --> 02:00:01.319
will who's this to somebody else is
going to think, well, you know,

1516
02:00:01.520 --> 02:00:04.560
that's still suspicious to me. And
you know, so that's just part

1517
02:00:04.600 --> 02:00:11.119
of the nature of the beasts.
See, I'm figuring this. I figure

1518
02:00:11.199 --> 02:00:14.560
this, and this is my big
hopeful statement, right, is that no

1519
02:00:14.680 --> 02:00:18.359
matter what mechanism we use to convince
people that these things are broken, these

1520
02:00:18.399 --> 02:00:23.239
things have not been run properly.
These things have not been done the way

1521
02:00:23.399 --> 02:00:27.720
that we the people would want it, see, to my knowledge, the

1522
02:00:27.800 --> 02:00:30.720
way things are supposed to work.
And you know, it's this wonderful organization

1523
02:00:30.920 --> 02:00:34.560
of this experiment that this country was
supposed to be. Right, is that

1524
02:00:35.000 --> 02:00:41.680
we the people are actually the ones
who are supposed to be in charge.

1525
02:00:42.840 --> 02:00:46.159
That's the way I see it.
And it's not you know, people go,

1526
02:00:46.239 --> 02:00:49.479
oh that the supreme powers the federal
government, then come the states,

1527
02:00:49.520 --> 02:00:53.960
and then no, no, no, no, no no, we the

1528
02:00:54.000 --> 02:00:58.880
people are supposed to be in charge. Common wealth isn't so common anymore,

1529
02:00:59.159 --> 02:01:02.600
No, it's not. But the
idea is that they're supposed to represent us,

1530
02:01:02.880 --> 02:01:06.840
right, that's the representative part of
the republic, is that they're supposed

1531
02:01:06.840 --> 02:01:12.319
to represent us. And that's not
what is going on here. So,

1532
02:01:12.880 --> 02:01:16.600
you know, any way to reverse
that or repair that, or convince people

1533
02:01:16.800 --> 02:01:21.960
that something else must be done.
There must be innovation, you know,

1534
02:01:24.159 --> 02:01:28.960
to create these things. There must
be a better way to implement that,

1535
02:01:29.119 --> 02:01:31.680
to make that work the proper way. That to me is the best part

1536
02:01:31.760 --> 02:01:35.520
of it. That that is the
best possibility and the thing that I keep

1537
02:01:35.640 --> 02:01:41.079
hoping for in this entire circumstance.
Right, So, one way or another,

1538
02:01:41.159 --> 02:01:45.079
we convince them on as many levels
as possible, how broken it is,

1539
02:01:45.520 --> 02:01:51.079
how ill informed everyone is, how
you know, massively deceived. We

1540
02:01:51.239 --> 02:01:57.319
have been by the systems you know
that are all working hand in glove with

1541
02:01:57.439 --> 02:02:00.760
one another. While we're not working
together, we're working against one another,

1542
02:02:01.239 --> 02:02:05.520
person to person. And that's the
problem. That's the way I see it.

1543
02:02:05.640 --> 02:02:10.359
I know it's crazy, and you
know a little too optimistic and all

1544
02:02:10.439 --> 02:02:15.479
that. But that's that's why,
that's why all of these pursuits are necessary,

1545
02:02:15.680 --> 02:02:18.840
and and your your ideas, what
you want to convince people love.

1546
02:02:18.960 --> 02:02:23.680
I'm with you, you know,
and uh, And I want I go

1547
02:02:23.760 --> 02:02:28.560
into the details on certain things because
I've got particulars that i want addressed.

1548
02:02:28.600 --> 02:02:32.560
I want justice done. I want
accountability for some of the crimes that I

1549
02:02:32.600 --> 02:02:40.920
feel were committed on massive numbers of
people through deception. But anyway, that's

1550
02:02:41.039 --> 02:02:43.840
just me. And again, I
don't want to give any of these speeches

1551
02:02:43.880 --> 02:02:45.680
anymore, and I don't want to
do this on the Friday Night Show anymore.

1552
02:02:45.720 --> 02:02:48.520
I want to hear from all you
guys from now on. That's what

1553
02:02:48.680 --> 02:02:51.239
I want to do. And I
want to really let BP take the lead.

1554
02:02:53.000 --> 02:02:58.239
And in that spirit, BP,
should we bring Jimmy on and kind

1555
02:02:58.279 --> 02:03:00.720
of go a little chaotic here towards
the end and just get out of here

1556
02:03:00.760 --> 02:03:04.479
in a couple of minutes. What
do you think? Yeah, bring them

1557
02:03:04.520 --> 02:03:09.840
on and we'll go ahead and start
winding things down because I am fading fast.

1558
02:03:10.239 --> 02:03:13.000
Yeah, you and me both,
So okay, I've got advanced you

1559
02:03:13.079 --> 02:03:15.159
know what, I'm gonna put advance
on hold. Let Jimmy speak for a

1560
02:03:15.239 --> 02:03:18.119
minute. Uh, and then and
then we're gonna close things out. Jimmy,

1561
02:03:18.680 --> 02:03:25.720
what do you think a night sounds
good? Well? First up,

1562
02:03:27.239 --> 02:03:32.560
the devil's in the details. And
we need to know history so as not

1563
02:03:32.760 --> 02:03:39.279
to repeat it, Yes, sir, and we need an accurate history.

1564
02:03:40.479 --> 02:03:47.520
Not only a house divided can't stand, but a house built upon dumb cannot

1565
02:03:47.680 --> 02:03:57.119
stand. And uh yeah, And
one thing I do agree with John Judge

1566
02:03:57.159 --> 02:04:00.640
about is this thing isn't the riddle
of the It just it was a crime.

1567
02:04:01.279 --> 02:04:08.439
Of course it could be solved.
So other than everyone have a good

1568
02:04:08.520 --> 02:04:14.119
week, got us. There you
go, Jimmy, James can't argue with

1569
02:04:14.239 --> 02:04:18.479
you on any of that. Meanwhile, we'll go back around advance advance,

1570
02:04:18.520 --> 02:04:28.600
how'd you like to cap off this
show? Just you know, I'm I'm

1571
02:04:28.640 --> 02:04:31.760
not dismissing, you know, further
investigation. You know, everybody needs to

1572
02:04:31.880 --> 02:04:36.239
start thinking critically about everything. It's
time to question everything you thought was true.

1573
02:04:36.279 --> 02:04:39.760
And so you know, it doesn't
matter what I say or whatever you

1574
02:04:39.880 --> 02:04:43.840
need. Everybody needs to start thinking
about it. And you know that is

1575
02:04:43.960 --> 02:04:46.960
happening on different levels, and you
know, not everybody gets there at the

1576
02:04:47.000 --> 02:04:50.479
same time. But you know it's
getting to be pretty obvious right now.

1577
02:04:50.720 --> 02:04:57.319
But you know that the the best
we can do is to keep having these

1578
02:04:57.359 --> 02:05:01.520
conversations amongst ourselves and you know,
of the only way you change, you

1579
02:05:01.600 --> 02:05:05.760
know, reality is by changing your
perception of reality. So you know,

1580
02:05:06.000 --> 02:05:12.239
we're at a really dangerous time,
you know, all the stuff that's going

1581
02:05:12.319 --> 02:05:15.199
on, you know right now,
you know it could go really really bad,

1582
02:05:15.279 --> 02:05:18.600
really really quick, you know.
So it's it's getting to that point

1583
02:05:18.760 --> 02:05:23.920
where something's got to something's got to
break here pre seen or it's going to

1584
02:05:23.960 --> 02:05:26.840
be too late. And you know, I've said that, you know that

1585
02:05:27.079 --> 02:05:31.920
that's been possibility for a long time
and can always remain a possibility. But

1586
02:05:32.079 --> 02:05:35.800
the way that you know things are, you know, kind of laying out

1587
02:05:35.880 --> 02:05:40.159
now there's a whole lot of you
know, a whole lot of fire is

1588
02:05:40.239 --> 02:05:43.600
going on at one time, and
they're not doing a very good job putting

1589
02:05:43.600 --> 02:05:48.000
them out. So uh, I'll
leave that out with that. And on

1590
02:05:48.199 --> 02:05:51.359
the show on Saturday Night, Anarchy, we talk about a little bit of

1591
02:05:51.399 --> 02:05:56.520
everything, and I'm mainly going to
try to start talking more about the anarchy

1592
02:05:56.800 --> 02:05:59.399
you know, aspect and you know, trying to bring a little bit of

1593
02:06:00.000 --> 02:06:03.359
conversation to that, to the to
the conversations that go on. So you

1594
02:06:03.439 --> 02:06:09.840
know, anybody wants to check that
out at seven o'clock Central tomorrow and thanks

1595
02:06:09.880 --> 02:06:12.920
for letting me be here, right. Look, the last thing though,

1596
02:06:12.960 --> 02:06:15.399
where can they find it? Because
it'll be live on what is it live

1597
02:06:15.479 --> 02:06:19.479
on Rumble or is it live?
Do you know where it's live? Yeah,

1598
02:06:19.520 --> 02:06:23.520
it's live on TNP for sure.
I'm not sure. Like I said,

1599
02:06:23.560 --> 02:06:27.119
I don't have any invested interest in
you know, they just asked me

1600
02:06:27.159 --> 02:06:30.840
to be a podcast host co hosts, so you know, I'm not you

1601
02:06:30.960 --> 02:06:34.359
know, other than just you know, trying to I'm willing wanting to talk,

1602
02:06:34.479 --> 02:06:38.039
you know to anybody that will listen. And you know, so the

1603
02:06:38.119 --> 02:06:42.680
more conversations we're having, the more
places we can the better. And TNP

1604
02:06:42.960 --> 02:06:46.279
for sure. And then there's always
links you know to wherever else they're you

1605
02:06:46.359 --> 02:06:51.760
know, found in the show notes
and all that stuff. So right right,

1606
02:06:51.880 --> 02:06:55.640
Well, look, people can look
through past show notes of mine and

1607
02:06:55.760 --> 02:07:00.399
probably find the new prisoners on on
Twitter and I think they announced the shows

1608
02:07:00.439 --> 02:07:04.159
on Twitter as they go. I'm
not sure where it air is live originally

1609
02:07:04.479 --> 02:07:10.359
if they were going live on Rumble
or if I can't remember, but yeah,

1610
02:07:10.479 --> 02:07:13.800
go go get it. Listen in
advance tomorrow night at eight pm Eastern,

1611
02:07:13.960 --> 02:07:18.880
seven pm Central, and there you
go. So I will put let's

1612
02:07:18.880 --> 02:07:24.000
see I guess that puts advance on
hold and leaves us with Bpete to give

1613
02:07:24.039 --> 02:07:29.720
you the final word for the week. Well, another week has passed.

1614
02:07:30.079 --> 02:07:32.359
It's been a hectic week of very
hectic week. I'm glad to be back

1615
02:07:32.399 --> 02:07:36.399
home, Glad we were able to
do the conference. Would have loved we've

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been able to broadcast live, but
situation didn't work out. So but other

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than that, I'm about to urge
everybody to go to Chelly dot com and

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hit the donate button. Every little
bit helps keeping this thing on the air.

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And other than that, looking forward
to next week. So there you

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have it, guys, And I'll
tell you we're gonna we're gonna get deeper

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and deeper into a lot of things, especially starting in December. I'm giving

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a few people a little bit of
break time and I'm gonna try and recover

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my voice the rest of the way
and h and we're we're gonna be a

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full steam by the beginning of December. So just a few days away,

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and there's gonna be a lot of
interesting guests, some more wrap ups on

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the conference. All that will be
coming up on O'Kelly dot com, So

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you're you're gonna wanna stay tuned and
listen in. Plus O'Kelly and the Greek

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are still out there. And yes, indeed I lost money on the conference,

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but I feel good about it.
And uh there's actually some future opportunities

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and maybe there'll be some announcements in
the next few months about some other projects,

1631
02:08:41.680 --> 02:08:46.159
some other live events even that I
might be able to participate in.

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We'll see what gets worked out.
UH, but I definitely am looking forward

1633
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to doing more and continuing the work
that we've done at o'celly dot com and

1634
02:08:56.359 --> 02:09:01.840
on the O'Kelly Effect. We've done
ten years this uh B Pete's been here

1635
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for several years. Uh, and
it's the first time that I got to

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hang with him in person. Uh. Hell of an experience going to Dallas

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in uh in in uh well in
what looks like a small car, but

1638
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it's pretty comfortable with all my crap
packed in there. And uh, we

1639
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gave away a ton of stuff at
the conference. I'm hoping there's gonna be

1640
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a lot more than just the one
new Patreon sign up we got uh recently.

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Let me take a look real fast
here uh and I'm gonna start doing

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this when people make donations from now
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when whether you make a donation or
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be somebody mentioned if there's a donation
before before the show. Uh. So

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alec Hart joined for a buck at
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You can join for a dollar,
you can join for five, you

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can join at the website. There
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want to get on the supporter wall, uh, et cetera, et cetera.

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And we have opportun unities for you
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and we're going to continue to do
that and hopefully stay listeners support it

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as we go forward. Remember,
I am merely O'Kelly and all of you

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are indeed, have you expressed by
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happens to get on the air to
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of and we are not responsible for
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Uncle do you remember that time when
Benjamin Fulford said that an Asian secret society

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is going to dispatch ninja's to take
down the Illuminati. That's interesting, Yeah,

1657
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the platoon. Yeah did that ever
work out too good? No?

1658
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It didn't, did it? But
here on o'celly dot com Radio network,

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things work out a bit better,
don't they? Much better? Much?

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I mean it's clear and understanding about
the programs. The programs, how much

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clearer getting live people into it.
They really have a good conversation going much

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better, much better scene. I
say, forget Benjamin Fulford and his ninches

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and listen to the o'chelly dot com
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You're struck a Shelley. You know
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mark upon the great You say,
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the hopes and prayers of liberty loving
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let us all be thinking of the
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noble understanding. Go ahead, call
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Day Pay assassination, right, Well, what do you want to know?

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Dy Baker's wild claim Oswald girlfriends he
knew Ruby and Barry handsy weapons. Really,

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I imagine I could claim I have
four wheels. It doesn't make me

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a wagon. But okay, Oswald
on the jib, and I'm trying to

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prevent the murder of John Kennedy.
Come on now, has a real effort

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Nuclear holocaust? You know what uranium
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1716
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other things like lots of what uranium
is right? Bad things, things of

1717
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Donna leaving, some bad things,
Nuclear holocaust. What uranium is right?

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I've been Nuclear holocaust, Nuclear holocaust. What uranium is right? Let's think

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of nuclear reapons and other things like
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enemy living? Some bad things?
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holocaust, nuclear holocaust, nuclear hollow. The dynamics of a crop? How

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do you move a mab? How
do you excite? How do you make

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them feel? Is one with you? How join them? First? Join?

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Yes? When you speak to them, speak to them as if you

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were a member of the mob.
Speak to them in their language, on

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their level. Make their hate your
hate. If they are poor, talk

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to them of publishing. If they
are afraid, talk to them of their

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fields. If they are angry,
give them objects for the anger. But

1729
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most of all, think that is
most of the essence, is that you

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make this mop an extension of yourself. What the dynamics of a crop?

1731
02:17:54.760 --> 02:17:56.200
How do you move a mab?
How do you excite? How do you

1732
02:17:56.280 --> 02:18:01.760
make them feel? Is one with
you join them. First, join this

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When you speak to them, speak
to them as if you were a member

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of the mouth. Speak to them
in their language and their little make their

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hate joy age. If they are
poor, talk to them of poverty.

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If they're afraid, talk to them
of their fields. If they are angry,

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give them objects for their anger,
and most of all for the anger.

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Is most is that you make this
marvel and extension, make yourself marve.

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One are the dynamics of a craft? How do you move in math?

1740
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How do you excited? How do
you make them feel? Is one

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with you?