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From the studios of w m n
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Manchester, New Hampshire. You are
tuned in to the best of Matt Connerton

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Unleashed and on the couch we have
Conrad. How do you say your last

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name? Is it? Where war? Like? In Second World War War?

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Conrad War from the band Bees Deluxe. How are you welcome? Very

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well, thanks for having me.
Yeah, yeah, we've been playing some

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of your your stuff on the show. And now you're not from these parts

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originally, are you? I consider
myself from Brooklyn, but I'm actually from

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London. Okay, Now why do
you consider yourself from Brooklyn to live there

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for a while. If you brought
up in England, everything is easy.

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You know. People go to sleep
in the middle of the day. They

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don't work, they don't do anything. They just crown people. Oh.

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But then when you moved to America, suddenly you find you've actually got to

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work and meet people and find things
and do jobs. And so I moved

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to Brooklyn and New York and I
found it was a baptism of fire.

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Yeah, so immediately it was like
being in New York for six months was

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like six years in university in England. Wow, it's much much harder.

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So are you so the lyrics to
hang Fire by the Rolling Stones, that's

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actually accurate, pretty fair, Yes, I'll be down. When did you

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are so? When did you come
to the United States? So? I

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was in New York in the early
eighties. Okay, I put an ad

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in the Village Voice, and I
got a drummer at a bass player and

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I auditioned for Hilly at CBGB's on
a Monday night and he said, you

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guys are all right, come back
tomorrow. And then after that he says,

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you guys all come back on a
Wednesday. So and after six months

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we worked our way up to playing
on Saturday night, two sets in between

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the headlining band. Oh wow.
Yeah. We opened for Dogs of War,

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which was the name of Living Color
in those days. Oh no kidding,

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Yeah, fantastic band. Oh wow. And hr from Bad Brains.

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Oh wow. So we missed the
early section with the Ramones and Talking Heads,

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but we got in like the second
wave when bands were still really interesting

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but didn't quite go billboard. Okay, Oh wow, that must have been

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a great time to be there.
It was awesome. Wow, that's that's

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amazing. Well night, we were
playing with Jonathan Gregg and the Lonesome Debonairs,

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and I don't know if you remember
CBS, but the stage was to

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the side of the walk through to
the bathroom. So we're playing. Jonathan

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greg and his band are all at
the bar drinking. They come back.

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All their guitars have gone out in
the back door. Oh my god,

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you had to nail things down and
hold them in your hands. Yeah.

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Yeah, Oh jeez, So you
were there when did you say? So?

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Early eighties? Early eighties? Okay. Then my girl got a job

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in Boston, so I went,
all right, I'll move up to Boston,

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and then started all over again.
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couple of kids and I had to
stay at home make sure they didn't put

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forks in the electricity, and then
started up again. So I put together

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Bees Deluxe here in Boston. Okay, Um, what was the what was

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the band called when you were in
New York? That band was called Invisible

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House. What's the cool name?
I like that? Now? Where does

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the name bees DeLux come from?
What does that mean? It's a combination

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of a pub in London and an
amplifier that I used to this day.

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Oh no kidding. Oh cool.
Well I had to come up with a

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name very very fast because I was
in a bar with a friend of Michael

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Maurice and he said you should play
here, and I went, I don't

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have a band. He says,
well, I'm going to book you.

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What's the name of the band?
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Oh, there you go, there
you go. Yeah. I have

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a friend Mike Laughlin, who used
to be in a band called simply called

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something because he was he was on
the spot, he was he was supposed

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to play somewhere and they didn't have
a name for the band yet and he's

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called it something and and actually stuck
with it for a while. So so

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listeners should be where Because I have
a neighbor in Jamaica Plane who started a

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band and he called it hot Dog, And I went, you an idiot.

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If people go on Google and search
for hot Dog, they're never gonna

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find you, right, So you've
got to do something that's yes, off

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center, Oh yeah, oh absolutely, And and and also too, something

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that you can be reasonably sure that
somebody doesn't already have, right, Um,

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yeah, so that makes sense.
Um, I mean, did you

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how quick did you have to come
up with that, Like, did you

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do a search online to make sure
there wasn't already a band somewhere called we

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were in the rehearsal studio, Yeah, the phone booking. Yeah. Yeah,

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so that's it. That's great,
that's great, that's very rock and

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roll. Um cool sou What was
what was it like, you know,

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starting in the music scene in Boston
in contrast to New York? Was it?

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Was? It drastically different in some
ways The scenes are were and still

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are very different. Yeah. In
New York, many of the clubs are

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four bands to night, back line
provided bring one hundred and fifty people or

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we'll never book here again. And
they're like sausage factories. Yeah, they

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just churn you in and churn you
out yea. And some are better than

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others. Some have actual people who
care about music. Boston, we tend

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to play gigs where we played for
three hours. So we're playing in a

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room where the management and the bartenders
like us. They'll tell their friends and

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once the customers have seen us,
once they come back for the next one.

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Yeah, you know. So we
play anywhere from dive bars like Vincent's

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in Worcester. I mean if there's
forty five people in there, it's packed.

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Yeah, Yeah, it's great dive
bar. And then we'll play Boston

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City Winery Haymarket Lounge where they're very
tony, you know when they serve meals

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and people sit down. Yeah,
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to play it on our own,
because that's that's why you want to play.

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Is you want to play as much
as possible. So you'll do a

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three hour Yeah, take a break
in the middle and run out for a

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cigarette or something. But if you're
only playing for forty minutes, you've barely

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got the plane off the ground,
right, right, m You've got obviously

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you've got a lot of originals,
and we've been playing some of them today,

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but you also have quite a few
covers, I would imagine, right.

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So our philosophy is to play covers
that aren't played by everybody else,

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Yeah, and reverse engineer them so
they're different. Okay, So we'll take

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a song like Damn Your Eyes by
Edna James, and we'll play it in

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a different key and a different tempo
and a different field, and then move

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get rid of one chorus and put
a break in there instead. Oh,

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and then and then stretch. So
a lot of what we do is improvisational.

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We don't really know where we're going
to go until we've hit it.

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Yeah, do you do you run
into it where someone will Has anyone ever

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come up here and said, hey, I really like that song, a

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certain song and they assumed it was
one of yours, but it was actually

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a song that you There was a
cover that you took in reverse engineered exactly

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that we played the two hours at
the House of Blues when it was at

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Harvard Square and Cambridge. Yeah,
and the couple came up to me at

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the end and he said, you
guys are really good. You should play

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some covers and we've been playing easy
tup Jimmy Hendrix edit, James Freddie King,

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Albert Kane, you know. And
they liked the tunes. Yeah,

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but they didn't know that they'd heard
them before. That's funny, Yeah,

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yeah, because you know, subconsciously
they there's something in the you know,

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in the backs of their minds that's
going to connect with that because they have

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heard it before, but they don't
know what it is because they don't recognize

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it. That's interesting, that's really
cool. Um our friend DJ Steve is

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in the chat room. Rondo Favero
says, Living Color excellent band. Yeah,

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yeah, that's cool. You said
we were they called Dogs of War

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before they were living that was the
sort of a hidden name. Oh okay,

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you know, like Wind the Stones
played their Morgan's Cove. I don't

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know what they called themselves, but
they played to fifty people there. Yeah.

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Yeah, you said you live in
Jamaica plane. Yeah, you ever

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played the Midway Cafe? Yes,
as much as possible really, ye.

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Yeah. And they've opened up.
They've got the room next door as well.

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So now now there's a horseshoe bone. You can get behind it and

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in front of it. Oh okay. They got double the space than when

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I used to play in a long, long time ago. Oh okay,

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I used to do back when I
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to do shows. They're like for
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month at the Midway, but it
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so it was small. It was
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fun. Yeah, it's still going
strong. It was a long time ago.

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It's probably not even the same same
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Jay Balona and Dave quit. They
were two brothers. Oh, I'll be

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damn. So Dave is still I
remember Dave. Jay is the serious one

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and Dave was the nut jube.
He and I would go up from the

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roof and throw was it cast going
part? Oh my god? Yeah,

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Dave is the one I would deal
with there, I remember Dame. So

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he's still there. No, Davis
Davis vanished? But Jay is still Oh

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Dave? Okay? So yeah,
yeah, I don't think I ever dealt

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with Jay. I don't think I
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all Dave Davis van What do you
mean he's vanished. I haven't seen him

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for a while. Oh okay,
but he's not actually missing, is he?

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No? But I don't think he's
working that run. Oh okay,

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Okay. I was afraid something had
happened because I have good I have good

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memories with Dave, and it sounds
like you have some good memories with him

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as well. Definitely, although not
necessarily the best thing to be doing.

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But um so, so when did
you when did you uh end up in

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Boston? That have been late eighties
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I got what happened was I got
a job because my my then girlfriend

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got a job as a night science
fellow at MIT. She was a science

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journalist. Okay, I got a
job. I was in design. I

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got a job, but Raychodiscus production
manager. So I went to Salem every

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day on Pickering Wharf and I dealt
with Frank Zappa and his wife Gail,

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David Bowie Yoko Ono. All the
releases that we put on Raycordists were repackaged

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artists who were fed up with their
major labels. Yes, yes, yeah,

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yeah, very familiar with Racodesk care. Oh wow, that's cool.

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Yeah. How long how long did
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four or five years? Okay.
I sort of quit because I got fed

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up with the fact that they didn't
an R or anything. Everything was recataloging.

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Yeah. And the final straw for
me was that there was a bank

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called Gallant Drunk. Gallant Drunk were
Morrissey's boyfriend and his pals, and Siah

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Records convinced my boss that we should
put out two albums by Gallon Drunk because

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they were going to tour opening for
Morrissey and we were going to sell fifty

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thousand copies of each album, and
that Conrad had to put them out in

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five days, meaning me. Yeah. So I mean I didn't kill myself

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because I'm still alive today to tell
the story. Yeah, but I put

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out these albums and they were horrible, very horrible. We killed us of

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doing it. So I went to
the bus and I go, I can't

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do this anymore. You know,
it's like operating on a corpse. Yeah.

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I was gonna say, I've not
even heard of gallant drunk, right,

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be thankful? Yeah, Wow,
that wasn't been a great experience.

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It was. It was a lot
of fun, really fast moving, and

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a lot of great artists and yeah, and very nice to do things that

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were good for the industry. So, for instance, we started Banned the

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Box. You're probably too young to
remember this, but when they switched from

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vinyl to CD, everything came in
twelve inch long boxes. Yes, I

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do remember that. Actually, voice
of cardboard printing and money. So we

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started this movement called Banned the Box. Oh, and we got that kicked

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out. And then I was working
with Phillips du Pumpt Optical in Minneapolis,

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and together with them, I invented, First of all, I invented see

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through jewel cases. Kid and then
I invented the green dye that we put

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in Rychodisc. Okay, So when
you looked at the disc, you knew

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it was the Rycho Disc album because
it was green, okay, lime green.

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Oh wow. And as soon as
we came out with the first releases

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like that, you know, everybody
from the country was calling me, how

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did you do that? Where did
you get that done? Yeah? You

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know, like Geff and Ricos were
mad that they hadn't come up with it.

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Really, Oh wow, did you
did you? Did you sell them

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the technology recipe? If you're just
joining us, we're talking with Conrad war

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from the band Be's Deluxe. But
he's also been pretty well steeped in the

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music industry in other ways too.
This is this This is a cool surprise

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because I love talking about this stuff. So where did you go? So

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after you left Rico Disc, where
did you go? Then? Well,

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what happened immediately after that was the
Internet came out. Yeah, Raycho Disc

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went under and they got picked up
by Island Palm Palm Records, Ireland and

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they drove it into the ground.
And now it's moved to Rhino on the

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West Coast and Rhino managed it as
a back catalog. I don't think it's

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an active label. But I went
and I was designing books and magazines and

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CDs and posters, and the Internet
came out and the editor gave me a

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little floppy disc said you'll like this, Conrad. It's something called Mosaic,

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and I put it into a computer
and I went, I can see the

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code. This is desktop publishing,
but from computer to computer. So then

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I stayed awake for two weeks learning
how to how to write code and how

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to write director and flash. When
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So I was doing that during the
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Yeah, oh no, kidding.
Hum. Yeah, So you've you've lived

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through all the all the changes um
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is AI. We're all going to
live through that. Yeah. Any any

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predictions on that, because I know, I know some people are concerned that

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musicians are going to go away.
I'm not scared of that, but we

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are in a point. If you
remember when cars were first invented, somebody

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had to walk in front of them
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Yeah, when people first had cars, I didn't know that you had to

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have like a servant walk thirty feet
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Oh wow, watch out, there's
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I didn't know that we're at that
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AI like chat CHPT, I'll ask
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my database stops two years ago.
Yeah, or I'm sorry that's an

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invasion of privacy. I can't tell
you that, or I'm sorry, we

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don't know. So it's it's early
stages. My son was talking about this

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with me earlier actually, and he's
in favor of a lot to pass that

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if you're interacted with an AI,
it has to be known to you that

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it's an AI. Yeah. So
it is already doing good things. So,

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for instance, doctors who are too
much overworked with paperwork, they can

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say I've diagnosed my patient with X, and they'll write to the AI engine.

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They'll say, give me three different
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who's thirty two years old, you
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AI engine will come back with three
reputable treatment plans and the doctor would be

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able to choose from that, and
that saved them I don't know, two

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hours in books. Yeah, yeah, because they can't remember all of that

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stuff, but AI not only remembers
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itself that. Okay, are you
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Like I mean people are. Like
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tried to interact with some of the
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think there's one that's on TikTok maybe
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could take become one side or another
likes. He said he interacted with one

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that was uber uber left liberal,
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uber uber right conservative, and he's
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just like the Internet, it'll give
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So that now there's a new class
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prompt engineer. That's somebody who knows
how to talk to AI. Okay,

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there's a new job, trumpt engineer. And the point of that is the

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AI itself doesn't care if you're a
Republican a Democrat. Right, It's going

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to answer the question pending how you
ask it, So you just have to

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be It's like being scared of guns. Guns are dangerous, but it is

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possible to handle one without it going
off. Yeah, and AI is dangerous,

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but it's possible to handle it without
it going off. Yeah, there

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was this story I think I think
it might have been a Facebook or meta

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whatever you call it. Now.
Did you see listen, We've talked about

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it on the show. These these
two AI bots or computers, they were

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talking to each other. Did you
know the story I'm talking about. They

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were talking to each other, and
they came up with their own language to

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communicate with each other, and they
ended up getting disconnected because people were like,

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we don't know what they're saying to
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their own language, and for all
we know, they could be saying,

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you know, let's kill all the
humans and take over. So that's just

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like what my parents used to say, is go upstairs, find out what

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the kids are doing, and tell
him to stop it. Right. Our

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friend Mike Doyle is on the line
him, Mike, any man, are

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you doing good? How are you
very good? Thanks? Jenny, nice

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to hear from you. Nice here, And I apologize I just turned you

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on and I heard the discussion about
AI, and I didn't catch the gentleman's

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name. Yeah, This is a
Conrad War he's from the band Blue and

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we've really been talk been talking about
music and the music industry and so forth.

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But we we took a little bit
of a side street because h AI.

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A big subject right now is how
is AI already beginning to affect the

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music industry? Okay, what do
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because I thought you were simply discussing
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it, you know, with music
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heard a great discussion about a week
ago, and it was about the many,

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many, many positive things that can
come out of AI, like you

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were just like you were just mentioning
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you know, remedies for what your
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and hours it could save and all
this, But then they went to

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the discussion about the negative part of
it, and then how horrible the negative

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part could be, um in in
cloning people, making people guilty of crime

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they didn't commit, um, you
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And it was a really good discussion
that and the experts were saying that,

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yeah, there's a really really dock
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good upside, which is why everybody
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is to sure, you know,
we want we want the good,

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but how do we stop the bad? Right right? Exactly? Yeah,

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it's it's uh and it's it's a
subject will be uh discussing for many years

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to come. Obviously, as it
continues to advance, it seems like it's

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it's definitely here. It's like the
moment came. You know, we've been

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hearing about it for so long and
now it's like, oh, it's it's

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here. We've got the chat.
And I know you don't like, I

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don't believe you like musk. But
when a guy who when a guy who

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had his hand in the start of
somewhat creating it, um says hey we

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should pause here for a moment um, that worries me, you know what

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I mean, I say, holy
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oh yeah, there's a lot of
people, a lot of people will

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break note. Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah, it's something we want to

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proceed with caution with certainly. Yeah, all right, well I'm sorry.

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I didn't know. I didn't know
he had crushed into music with it.

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So here's an example, Mike.
There was a record released on the streaming

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networks by two artists that was created
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it had nothing to do with it, and the record companies went ballistic because

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it download. It got downloaded like
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Yeah, and they had to shut
it down. But the point was somebody

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using AI had made a song that
sounded like these two guys and it was

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a hit. Yeah, two hip
hop artists. Yeah, yeah, it's

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pretty amazing. So think of it, think of the think of the lawsuits.

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Well, yeah, the lawyers always
win. We'll all be dead and

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the lawyers will still be running around. They'll be AI lawyers probably. Yeah.

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Yeah, we don't. All right, Well, good talking to you

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guys, and Jenny if I don't
see you, happy Happy Mother's Day.

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Oh, thank you so much.
That was nice. Alright, very nice.

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Thanks for the call. Mike.
Talking with Conrad war from the band

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Bee's Deluxe and um yeah, so
uh yeah, we are we are an

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uncharted territory and this is so this
is probably the next big the next big

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transition in the music industry right like
first was the Internet with Napster, and

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everything, everything becoming digital and the
effects that that had on the music industry

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just really just changing it foundationally.
This is this is the next big change

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potentially right right, and it should
be used creatively. So for instance,

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Charlie Christian used to play guitar in
an acoustic band and he had the idea

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was sticking a gramophone needle into the
body of his guitar like a hypo syringe.

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Yeah, and that made the music
come out of the l off his

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gramophone and people were horrified. And
then you know, the war pedal came

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out and people were horrified. Ye. And then pro tools came out and

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all these musicians are going, oh, it's sick. I prefer analog.

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I want to be on two inch
tape or the Beatles SiGe oft Pepper was

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done on at a track. Why
are you used in pro tools? Because

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you can because you can move a
beat or change its pitch this much.

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And AI is going to be exactly
the same thing. People are going to

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be able to do things that we
hadn't done before. And I've said years

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ago, wouldn't it be great to
have, for instance, another led Zeppelin

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album when they've all passed away?
Well, Hey, I will help us

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do that interest. And I'm not
talking about great Evan, let's just thinking

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that. I was thinking the same
thing. Don't we already have that?

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And also you could get a movie. You could say, well, let's

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have Bill Murray with Marilyn Monroe in
a movie, right, because it's possible

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now, right? Yeah, so
you sound you sound a positive about it.

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I think the technology moves forward,
we have to keep up with it.

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Right. My theories that um,
government people and politicians don't know how

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to regulate this stuff because they don't
understand it. Right. If you remember

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when Mark Zuckerberg was was in the
Senate being at a committee meeting. I

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talk about this on the show.
As we're talking to him, they go,

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how do you make money? Just
like they don't understand anything about this.

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Oh, Conrad, I've talked about
that so many times on the show.

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How I get I get so nervous
when you know, when government tries

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to interfere with technology or the Internet
or anything. And I use that as

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an example. Yeah. I tell
people, I say, if you have

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confidence in these people to actually regulate
this stuff, I can I can fix

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you. Uh, just go to
go to YouTube and just look up either

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yeah, Mark Zuckerberg or Jack Dorsey
when he went and testified before a committee,

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and just listen to the questions that
these people ask and you begin to

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realize they're they're going to be voting
on things that they have no idea what

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the hell even they're doing. They
don't know. SAME's true Frank Zapp or

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when he went to Washington. Oh
what for the PMRC thing? Yeah,

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yeah, yeah, yeah, they
just don't get it, right, Yeah,

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yeah, that is so true.
Well we are let's um, let's

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play something. Well, well,
we've been playing some of your music.

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We'll take a break and we'll play
I'll let you pick the song. This

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is the album Voice of Dog.
Correct. This is the current album that

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Ivan fy. That's an all originals
album by Basta Luxe. Yes, and

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I thought it was hilarious that we
would stop the album with a song called

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song number nine. Ah. Yes, and it tries people mad. I

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go, that's the point. Did
I What did I play at the beginning

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of the show. I think I
played that one already. You were playing

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Flat Earth Conspiracy when I came in. When you came in, yeah,

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at the beginning of the show.
Though, at the top of the show.

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I played something at two and I
think it was out. I think

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it was a song number nine.
Um, let's see. Probably our biggest

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hit live is a song called beer. Oh Beer, all right, let's

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now is this about? Is this
about any any particular person? Or is

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it just about beer? Both?
Okay? And only took three minutes to

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write. Oh really, Who's who's
it about? Or can you or can

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you say? Is it a political
person? No, it's a romantic person.

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All right? We would you rather
leave it at that As far as

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the explanation, I think that's enough. All right, let's give this a

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listen. So this is uh,
this is a track called beer and this

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is from the band Bees Deluxe.
We have Conrad War in studio with us.

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Uh, let's give this a spin
and then we'll we'll continue our discussion.

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Here we go. I'll want you, but I need a beer.

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I need you, but I want
a beer. It's cold outside, but

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I need to be. I like
you, but I need to be.

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I remember you that I want a
bear. It's dark outside, but I

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need to be. I'm meaning you, I need is I am? And

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I'm all? A tart is here
and I don't even that's great. That

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is beer from Be's Deluxe. What
a cool song. Jenny is here at

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the news desk, I am yeah
yeah. And on the couch we have

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Conrad War from Bee's Deluxe, and
uh yeah, that's that's a great song.

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Um now that's you on vocals,
right, and guitar and guitar.

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Very good, very good. Now
who else is in the band? Carol

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band plays keyboards, sings vocals,
and plays harmonica. Okay. Paul Joviney

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is druma and Jim Gilday is the
bass player and he sings as well.

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Oh okay, so it's a four
piece with three vocals, gotcha, gotcha?

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So you take turns on the lead
vocals. It's mostly me because okay,

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because I'm a whack joke and we
took from Maine. We go to

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Rockland, Maine, and go down
to Miami and Florida. We go up

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and down the East coast. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. I

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was looking at your your tour dates
online. Actually, um at beeslocks dot

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com is this site? Right?
Um? Yeah, I like the website.

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Who does the website? Did you
do that? Yeah? Do you

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build up? Yeah? I'm kind
of a website nerd. So I noticed,

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Uh yeah, I like the designer, like the layout and um and

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you also brought Jenny and I a
couple of let's see, so there's UM.

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So you're you're still putting things out
on CD. Yeah obviously. Uh

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so you brought us uh this single
Nitro Uh and it's got Industrial Espionage,

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the instrumental version. I shouldn't let
me put it if you put the camera

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on me. I've got them right
up in front of my computer. Oh.

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Perfect, Yeah, cameras nobody told
me. Cool. Oh, Mike

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Doyle, Mike is calling us back. Hey Mike, Hey, sorry,

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say you know, I hate to
call more than one. I had to

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say. I had it on the
station. I hadn't changed, and I

407
00:30:15,079 --> 00:30:18,000
was sitting at the light listening to
that song. And let me tell you

408
00:30:18,079 --> 00:30:22,480
that was awesome that the instrumentals in
that song are off the charts. Man.

409
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,519
I don't want him to get too
big of a head. The singing

410
00:30:25,599 --> 00:30:29,640
was good, but the instrumentals were
off the charts. No, right there

411
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:37,279
with you under understood the start.
That was excellent. That's all I wanted

412
00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:40,440
to say. Very job, it
was excellent. Thanks Mike, all right,

413
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,799
Thanks Mike all right, very good. Yeah. I was gonna ask

414
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,160
him if he if it made him
want to have a beer, but it

415
00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:48,200
sounded like he was in a hurry. But yeah, no, that great,

416
00:30:48,279 --> 00:30:52,119
great song. Yeah. So now
the artwork on these is really cool.

417
00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:57,000
Actually, let me put the camera
back on. People watching online can

418
00:30:57,039 --> 00:31:00,160
see the artwork. I want to
see my gorgeous who does who does this?

419
00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:03,400
Uh? The artwork on these is
really cool. Well, I think

420
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,680
they're awesome. We do the graphics, but we commissioned the art from people

421
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,240
that we like. So for instance, Nitro the Green Man, he's actually

422
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:18,519
called Anxious Man, is by this
wonderful artist named Wendy Brusik b Areu s

423
00:31:18,599 --> 00:31:22,599
I c K. Okay. So
she found us playing in Cambridge and became

424
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,119
a fan and we looked at her
artwork and we'd begged it to do that.

425
00:31:26,319 --> 00:31:29,319
So she's done the artwork for our
next album, which is still being

426
00:31:29,319 --> 00:31:32,960
mixed. Okay. And the other
one called Wherever You Hide It is an

427
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:37,880
EP and that's a photograph by my
daughter Zoe. Oh wow, Zoe took

428
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,960
that photograph in a sculpture park somewhere. That is very cool. I like

429
00:31:42,079 --> 00:31:45,559
it, isn't that nice? Yeah? That is. Yeah, and we'll

430
00:31:45,119 --> 00:31:48,640
for people listening who obviously can't see, well, we'll take pictures of these

431
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,640
and put them up on social media
so you can see exactly what we're We'll

432
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:53,799
do that after the show so you
can see what we're talking about. But

433
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:59,000
yeah, that's that's very cool,
very cool. Um, Now are you

434
00:31:59,079 --> 00:32:02,359
are you putting out? Um?
Are you doing anything on vinyl? I

435
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,920
noticed vinyl is, uh, well, it never went away. But now

436
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,279
I think, if I'm not mistaken, I think twenty twenty two might have

437
00:32:10,319 --> 00:32:15,200
been the first year where vinyl actually
outsold CDs. I wrote that too.

438
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,039
I'm not sure I believe it really
well. One reason I don't believe it

439
00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:22,599
is because there's a vinyl shortage rule
materials. I didn't know that. So

440
00:32:22,759 --> 00:32:28,319
obviously there's a lobbyist or there's a
there's a PR engine going behind it,

441
00:32:28,359 --> 00:32:30,720
probably to build it up again.
Yeah. So the cost per entry for

442
00:32:30,839 --> 00:32:35,359
vinyl is hard because you've got to
make a master, a master that you

443
00:32:36,079 --> 00:32:38,599
cut, you know, so yeah, whereas a CD you can make fifty

444
00:32:38,839 --> 00:32:43,559
right, right, and a cassette
you can make ten, yeah, and

445
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:49,440
an E track you can't make.
Yeah, cassettes. I was I was

446
00:32:49,759 --> 00:32:52,839
shocked when jeez, must have been
seven or eight years ago, now maybe

447
00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:57,920
not that long. I was on
bandcamp dot com and I realized that that

448
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,680
people were starting to put out cassettes
again. I couldn't believe it. I

449
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,759
mean, you know, obviously just
kind of as a novelty, I guess,

450
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,799
but I don't know. Maybe some
people like the sound of tape hiss.

451
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:13,920
I don't know the cause. Yeah, a pencil on the tape,

452
00:33:14,079 --> 00:33:16,720
just swinging it around, trying to
get it thrown wind back up again.

453
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:21,640
I don't miss tapes, no,
But I think I want a CD player

454
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,640
now, yeah, like I really
think I want to have a CD player

455
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,640
again. Yeah, I know I
have one. We actually have one here.

456
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,839
I think Rob as a Veto is
the only one who uses it for

457
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,720
his show. But um, and
my you know, I have a MacBook

458
00:33:31,759 --> 00:33:36,680
that has a CD player on it. But um, but uh yeah,

459
00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:42,160
I was amazed to see that cassettes
sort of come back. And um,

460
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,279
I actually I used to work for
a retail chain. I worked for Strawberries,

461
00:33:46,319 --> 00:33:50,319
and then of course it got bought
by a trans World and became fye.

462
00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:52,319
But I remember, um cassettes,
you know, one of the things

463
00:33:52,319 --> 00:33:58,480
that's interesting, and you might agree
with me, it's it's it's um interesting

464
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,119
to see over time what technology go
away and what technologies stick around and to

465
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,880
try to predict it. And sometimes
sometimes you know, people aren't always right.

466
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,280
And cassettes are an example of where
I thought those were going to go

467
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:14,400
away at least five years sooner than
they did, and we still had them

468
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,760
when I was working at that job. We had them much longer than I

469
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,960
thought and I thought we would have. But my theory at the time was

470
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:27,840
that it was because of the auto
industry, because people still had cassette players

471
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,920
in their cars even though CDs had
been the dominant medium for so long.

472
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:36,960
And then eventually cassettes went away,
but cassettes stayed stayed around a lot longer

473
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,679
than I would have imagined. But
well, it's immenseally portable. But the

474
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:46,559
two that you missed that went away
like the dinosaurs were the mini disc Sony

475
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:51,719
Rye, which had a bubble memory
so you could jug and it wouldn't skip.

476
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,239
Oh okay, you could record on
it so you could record, you

477
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:58,360
know, speeches at college and go
to sleep in them. Yeah, and

478
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,199
then Phillips came out with another one
called digital compact cassette, which was essentially

479
00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:10,199
a cassette sized DAT Oh, and
that went down the toilet really fast because

480
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:15,199
they tried to gouge back more of
the royalties from the artists. This is

481
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,599
Phillips really in Germany. Okay,
So, and the artists said, no,

482
00:35:19,679 --> 00:35:21,920
you can't have it. If you're
going to take that much away from

483
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,880
me, we're not going to put
our albums out on digital compact cassette.

484
00:35:24,599 --> 00:35:29,159
But the idea was to have a
cassette that had CD quality sound on it.

485
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:34,679
Okay, Um was that? Did
that ever make it to the United

486
00:35:34,679 --> 00:35:37,840
States? I had to make those
damn things that rychould be no kidding,

487
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,880
yeah, because I don't even remember
those. I remember the mini discs I

488
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:44,159
don't remember, but I don't remember
those digital compact cassette that. Wow,

489
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:49,719
that burnt inflames really fast. Yeah
yeah, huh interesting. I mean I

490
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,639
remember the old DAT recorders. Yeah, those were great because I remember you

491
00:35:52,639 --> 00:35:58,239
could bring those to a concert and
record and the quality would be amazing.

492
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,079
Right. But but indexing on that
stuff, you know, oh yeah,

493
00:36:01,079 --> 00:36:05,679
it was just it was for engineers, not people. Yeah yeah, yeah,

494
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:10,519
yeah, but yeah, and the
other technology too that went away quickly.

495
00:36:10,679 --> 00:36:15,239
From what I can recall is because
we actually had these when I first

496
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:16,760
started at Strawberries, we had these, but it was it was at the

497
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:21,480
tail end, was laser discs.
Oh yeah, you know, so you

498
00:36:21,519 --> 00:36:24,880
got this this movie basically on Yeah. Yeah, they were huge, and

499
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,960
it was like it was cumbersome.
And then you know, of course,

500
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,159
as soon as CDs, I mean, as soon as I DVDs rather started

501
00:36:31,159 --> 00:36:35,639
coming out, laser discs went away
pretty quickly. But I remember if people

502
00:36:35,679 --> 00:36:37,639
would come in wanting to order them, and they would take forever to get

503
00:36:37,679 --> 00:36:42,920
them, you know. And do
you have little libraries on the street here

504
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:47,320
in Manchester. I don't know if
any of them they maybe want in Manchester,

505
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,960
but they do have them around.
So they're all over in Jamaica.

506
00:36:51,039 --> 00:36:54,280
Plane And when I opened them up
full of DVDs, Oh yeah, you're

507
00:36:54,320 --> 00:37:00,599
talking about them up on the street
and you put a book, can take

508
00:37:00,639 --> 00:37:02,519
a book out? Yeah yeah.
And in my neighborhood, people are getting

509
00:37:02,599 --> 00:37:07,760
rid of the DVDs because of the
streaming industry, because the Netflix and an

510
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:13,559
Apple and everything like that. Yeah. Yeah, Um, that's another thing

511
00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:15,519
that's been in the news lately.
Too, because of the writer's strike,

512
00:37:15,679 --> 00:37:21,039
and you know these writers, uh, you know, streaming has really changed

513
00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:23,800
a technology. It's as change as
everything. Streaming has really changed the way

514
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,320
a lot of them get paid and
so forth. Yeah, get ready to

515
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,760
be flooded with reality shows. Yeah, no, kiddy, that's what happens.

516
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,039
To take your clothes up, run
out in the street, that's what

517
00:37:34,159 --> 00:37:38,760
happens. Get a series. Yeah, so now Bees Delos. How long

518
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,599
is the because I assume the lineup
has changed over the years, right,

519
00:37:42,679 --> 00:37:46,239
because occasionally we lose and find a
player. Yeah, how long has the

520
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:51,360
band existed? I mean it's been
decades, right, I think we've I

521
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,960
think we put out something about eight
years ago, the Demolition tapes. Okay,

522
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,320
Um, so, but is a
current lineup hasn't been together for a

523
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,000
while? Is it pretty stable or
yeah? This one three or four years

524
00:38:04,039 --> 00:38:07,519
and we've we've done thousands of miles
together. Yeah. So we take terms

525
00:38:07,639 --> 00:38:12,519
driving, okay, And the mythology
of this is that when I'm driving,

526
00:38:12,599 --> 00:38:17,000
it rains. Yeah, when anybody
else drives, it's fine, right,

527
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:22,880
Right, you're all pile into a
van. Yeah. We we borrow either

528
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,519
borrow a VW bus or a Ford
transit or rent a Ford transit. Yeah,

529
00:38:25,599 --> 00:38:30,159
but COVID almost killed us on that. Yeah, because if you remember,

530
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,119
before COVID, you could rent a
van for I don't know, one

531
00:38:32,159 --> 00:38:37,239
hundred fifty two hundred bucks a day, do unlimited miles. So we'd be

532
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,239
cool. Yeah. Yeah, And
then all the when COVID hit, people

533
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:45,079
like Enterprise said okay, let's sell
our inventory and we'll buy it back when

534
00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:47,880
it's finished. Of course when it
finished, they couldn't buy the imagery back.

535
00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:52,320
Ye. So now they're charging us
four hundred bucks a day for a

536
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:57,159
Ford transit. Wow, so we're
gonna have to do this on roller skates.

537
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,719
Yeah, yeah, that's a That's
one of the things that I hear

538
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:06,119
the most now from from anybody who
does any any level of touring. It's

539
00:39:06,159 --> 00:39:08,880
so well they're actually. In fact, there's been national artists who have said,

540
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:14,920
no, we're not gonna We're not
gonna tour anymore. It's gotten ut.

541
00:39:15,199 --> 00:39:17,079
Steve Eis says, you weren't playing
in Europe anymore? Really? Yeah,

542
00:39:17,199 --> 00:39:21,199
it costs him too much money.
Yeah. Yeah. The travel is

543
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,199
the travel, the truck, in
the hotels, all the overhead is now

544
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,639
higher than the ticket. Yeah,
and it always used to be that the

545
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:30,000
ticket price didn't get you your money
back. Like when The Stones or the

546
00:39:30,039 --> 00:39:35,920
Talking Heads played in New York,
they would break even or lose on ticket

547
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,159
sales because Ron Delson would take it
from them, but they would come back

548
00:39:39,199 --> 00:39:45,599
into the black on T shirt sales. And I think like the Rolling Stones

549
00:39:45,639 --> 00:39:50,519
played, they would make twenty five
to fifty bucks ahead on merchandise, okay,

550
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,840
because people would go in and they'd
buy the two hundred dollars leather jacket,

551
00:39:53,159 --> 00:39:57,199
right right, yeah, and that's
where they made their money back.

552
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,159
So, which is kind of unusually
because you think rock and roll is in

553
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,800
the T shirt business, oh very
much. So yeah, but they pretty

554
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,719
much are. And that's how indie
bands survide now. Yeah. Yeah.

555
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,239
If you look at something like Bad
Bad Hat, they when they go up

556
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,880
and down the country, they're selling
T shirts to pay for gas and pizza.

557
00:40:14,039 --> 00:40:17,440
Mmmmmm yeah, no doubt. Well, my my all time favorite band

558
00:40:17,559 --> 00:40:22,440
is Kissed, and of course kiss
happens to be the most heavily merchandise band

559
00:40:22,519 --> 00:40:25,199
in history. You know, um, I'm not even sure. I think

560
00:40:25,199 --> 00:40:29,880
the Beatles might be number two,
but but kiss is the most heavily merchandise.

561
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:34,039
Then it's like, uh, you
know they they actually um sold off

562
00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:37,360
their publishing back before before a lot
of artists were doing it back in the

563
00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:42,840
Uh jeez. I think it must
have been around nineteen ninety nineteen ninety one

564
00:40:43,079 --> 00:40:47,159
because they cashed out on the on
the publishing. Yeah. Um and uh

565
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,679
but you know they make you know, touring, they sell so much merch

566
00:40:52,159 --> 00:40:54,519
you know, it's like, uh, that's where the money really is for

567
00:40:54,639 --> 00:40:58,719
them. I have the worst example
for you. Yeah. I used to

568
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,599
be friends with a band called the
Soft Boys, which was Robin Hitchcock and

569
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:07,960
a great guitar player named Kimberly Rue. And the band split up. Robin

570
00:41:07,039 --> 00:41:13,039
wanted to go solo and Kimberly started
a band doing Bo Diddley songs. They

571
00:41:13,079 --> 00:41:15,639
were in Greece. They got a
deal. They cut a song called Walking

572
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:22,239
on Sunshine Katrina in the Waves.
Yeah, that's that's Bo Diddley and Kimberly

573
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,039
Rue is playing. Oh no kidding. So he's in England. I'm still

574
00:41:25,079 --> 00:41:29,360
slightly in touch with him. I
walk into a store and I find a

575
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:35,440
toothbrush that when you press it plays
walking on Sunshine. I'm going if that

576
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,960
isn't the lowest wow version of merchandising
a rock and roll band in the universe.

577
00:41:40,039 --> 00:41:44,920
I don't know what. Yeah,
yeah, that song though kind of

578
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,320
transcends. It's a great song,
you know, to be honest with you,

579
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,599
I never liked it, I remember, but I think part of it

580
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:52,079
was, you know, when I
was a kid, you know, I

581
00:41:52,159 --> 00:41:57,159
couldn't turn on MTV without seeing the
video, right, like, oh you

582
00:41:57,199 --> 00:42:00,039
can overexposure will kill you on anything? Yeah? Yeah, because that was

583
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:02,519
their only hit, right, Katrina
on the Waves, I think, right,

584
00:42:02,599 --> 00:42:06,559
I don't remember another. That's it. I don't remember another song.

585
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,559
Yeah, yeah, but he was
great in the Soft Boys. He played

586
00:42:08,599 --> 00:42:14,119
like Hendrix. Yeah, listened to
the really early stuff. So like I

587
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:20,400
want to Destroy you now with when
you were at Rycodisc, was there any

588
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:27,000
merchandising going on there or or because
they were no. But what we did,

589
00:42:27,079 --> 00:42:29,880
and I think most labels do this
is we would package in a way

590
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,840
that the super collectors would want,
okay. So we had a release called

591
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:37,599
Yektodosa, which is by Zapper,
and it's called it stands for you can't

592
00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:43,559
do that on stage anymore, okay. So they'd be like five double albums

593
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:49,199
in a box hand painted. Yeah, so if you bought all five,

594
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,559
you got the box. So that's
kind of merchandising, but it's really upselling.

595
00:42:53,039 --> 00:42:57,760
Yeah to persuaye. People don't just
buy volumes one through two, five

596
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,440
volumes one through five and you get
this extra that makes sense, you know.

597
00:43:01,559 --> 00:43:07,320
My favorite actually was not Odgun's Flake
by the Small Faces, which came

598
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:12,880
in a circular tin like a tobacco
tin. Yeah, way before Public Image,

599
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,239
because public Image did metal tin box
as well. Okay, so so

600
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:22,000
it was really about that kind of
packaging. On one spooth that I came

601
00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:25,039
up with was we did an album
with NRBQ called Honest Dollar. Yeah.

602
00:43:25,679 --> 00:43:30,360
I got a thousand dollars from the
bank and I send it to the band

603
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,119
and I said, I want you
to sign every single dollar bill and then

604
00:43:34,199 --> 00:43:36,519
send them back to me, and
I'm going to put them into CDs.

605
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,360
Oh wow, and then shuffle them
and distribute them. Yeah. So if

606
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:43,480
you're an NRBQ fan and you bought
one of those, you might open it

607
00:43:43,639 --> 00:43:45,400
up and find a dollar bill and
they're signed by the band. Oh wow.

608
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:52,039
Oh that's pretty cool. Yeah yeah, um oh, well that is

609
00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:57,320
that kind of the the most unique
idea that you would So who would think

610
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,679
of that? I mean, that's
that's I assume that was your idea came

611
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:01,719
up with? That? Is that? Is that the most unique idea that

612
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:06,760
you had come up with? I
had had another one that it didn't quite

613
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,039
take off in the way I hoped. But um I introduced Bob Mole to

614
00:44:10,159 --> 00:44:15,559
my boss and he Bob really hated
Virgin Records because they had nothing but session

615
00:44:15,639 --> 00:44:20,920
players working for him. And the
session players. You've probably met session players,

616
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:22,679
but they're very serious and they're in
there to make a dollar and get

617
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,719
out of you. Yeah. Yeah. So he's a good songwriter and a

618
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,920
great guitar player, and he just
didn't like that. He wanted to be

619
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,519
in charge. Yeah, So he
agreed to sign with Rycho Discuss an original

620
00:44:32,679 --> 00:44:37,960
artist, and he formed a band
called Sugar and the first album he did

621
00:44:37,079 --> 00:44:42,239
was Copper Blue, which is to
take on police. Yeah. So I

622
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:49,000
got with Phillips dupon an optical and
we made a copper CD case okay,

623
00:44:49,079 --> 00:44:51,960
and printed the name of the band
on the copper on the outside. Oh

624
00:44:52,039 --> 00:44:55,920
wow, So and that's like a
super limited edition. Yeah, oh wow,

625
00:44:57,039 --> 00:45:01,880
that's pretty cool. Wow do you
are now do you do? Are

626
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:06,199
you involved in the in the industry
side of things now or or you just

627
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,119
focused on the music. I just
played a guitar. Yeah, yeah,

628
00:45:08,519 --> 00:45:12,679
do you miss it? No?
No, no. As I said,

629
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,880
you know, the more you get
embedded in the record industry, the more

630
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:21,920
you feel like you need a shower. Really yeah, And I suppose it's

631
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,519
like that in the film industry and
the advertising agency and publish. Yeah.

632
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:32,280
Interesting. Um, so, I
mean, was there a specific thing that

633
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,599
I'm so curious? I mean,
was there something specific that made you feel

634
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:42,599
that way or was it just kind
of over time? I got two albums

635
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,039
I had cost my net and people
knew who I was and they would send

636
00:45:45,079 --> 00:45:51,000
me demos. Yeah. I got
a tape from Robbie Krieger and my bus

637
00:45:51,159 --> 00:45:55,519
wouldn't put it out. Really yeah, it was just it was an instrumental

638
00:45:55,599 --> 00:45:59,719
album by by Robbi Kreeger with the
doors if you don't recognize oh yeah,

639
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:01,159
yeah, but it was a great
album. When they wouldn't do it,

640
00:46:01,199 --> 00:46:04,079
they said, we can't sell that. I go, we can sell that.

641
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,440
They wouldn't know. And then I
got another tape from a guy whose

642
00:46:07,519 --> 00:46:09,360
name I can't quite remember yet.
But he was He was a student of

643
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:15,360
Bill Brazil's in San Francisco, and
he was playing world music really early before

644
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,559
world music really existed. Yeah,
and I took it to my boss,

645
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,480
a very nice guy named Don Rose, and he had a desks the size

646
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:27,480
of yours, this deep in CDs
and dat tapes and cassettes. So because

647
00:46:27,519 --> 00:46:29,480
I worked there, I could get
it to the front of the pile.

648
00:46:29,679 --> 00:46:31,039
Yeah, And he listened to it, and he came down the next day

649
00:46:31,039 --> 00:46:35,559
and he said, Conrad, this
is awesome. This is the best I've

650
00:46:35,599 --> 00:46:37,320
ever heard of this genre. And
I said, great, let's put it

651
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,679
out and he said, no,
nobody's heard of him. So my heart

652
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:45,320
kind of broke because I go,
Okay, so here's the record industry executive

653
00:46:45,559 --> 00:46:50,920
who has the power to introduce a
new act, to put out original music

654
00:46:51,119 --> 00:46:54,039
and chooses not to. Yeah.
And I'm guessing it's like that everywhere.

655
00:46:54,599 --> 00:46:59,639
Oh I'm sure, Yeah, I'm
sure. And there's um yeah, And

656
00:47:00,199 --> 00:47:06,000
you know, there's so many horror
stories too about you know, like bands

657
00:47:06,039 --> 00:47:09,199
they signed with orsol artists or whomever, they signed with a label, and

658
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:15,760
you know, and they signed whatever
however many album deal. Then they record

659
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:17,440
something and hell, maybe it's even
happened to you. I don't know.

660
00:47:17,679 --> 00:47:21,800
And they record an album and then
the label decides not to put it out

661
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,039
and they shelve it for whatever reason, and then the band is like,

662
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:29,920
and they don't even own the master
recordings of what they just did, and

663
00:47:30,039 --> 00:47:32,599
this label says, no, we're
gonna shelve this for for which could be

664
00:47:32,639 --> 00:47:37,000
for any number of reasons. Yeah, I've got tracks and warehouses in London

665
00:47:37,039 --> 00:47:39,199
at E M I in places,
no kidding. The one that comes to

666
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:43,280
mind, knows is there's a really
good guitar player in New York called Binkie

667
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:47,039
Phillips. He was in a bank
called The Planets. They headlined CBS.

668
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:53,039
Okay, they were huge, and
he cut an album. They were one

669
00:47:53,079 --> 00:47:57,039
of the first buy racial bands too. They had had a black guy in

670
00:47:57,079 --> 00:48:00,840
the band and three white guys.
Yea early rock days eighties. Yeah,

671
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:07,039
And the album was phenomenal and it
went to the label and Ted Templeton said,

672
00:48:07,199 --> 00:48:12,679
we've got Van Halen, we don't
need the Planets, and it was

673
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,480
just like if he if he just
got the Takes their six months earlier,

674
00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:22,719
Yeah, and that that just blew
him up. And why wouldn't you eat?

675
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:27,039
And yeah, you've got Van Halen, But so what why don't you

676
00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:29,079
want another? You know what I
mean? Why don't you want to know?

677
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:35,000
Because record companies can't market the same
thing twice in one month. In

678
00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:38,199
the book publishing industry, it's called
review driven. A book company like Double

679
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:42,280
Day will have twenty books out a
month. Yeah, they'll promote one of

680
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,039
them, okay, so why do
they put the other nineteen out? They

681
00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:47,519
go just in case. Yeah,
and they say those books are going to

682
00:48:47,559 --> 00:48:52,840
be what's called review driven, but
they're not going to push it. So

683
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:54,320
it's up to the author to go
out and find a public system and get

684
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:59,159
on Good Morning America. But in
the record business, it's really specific.

685
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:04,039
It's like we and do one girl
singer, one boy band, one heavy

686
00:49:04,159 --> 00:49:07,440
rock band, one reggae band.
That's it for the next two months.

687
00:49:07,639 --> 00:49:10,840
Okay. I remember watching an interview
with Tori Amos talking about that shoot the

688
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:15,000
difficulties. Well, we already have
a female, right, Oh, we've

689
00:49:15,039 --> 00:49:17,840
already got a piano player, you
know, and just what they wouldn't put

690
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:22,880
her on it's insane. Yeah,
yeah, that's why. And from the

691
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:27,639
artist perspective, it's it's bad luck
or good luckpending on your timing. Yeah

692
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,719
right, seriously, I mean when
you remember if you listen to Nora Jones,

693
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:36,679
now you go it's good. But
her album came out when there was

694
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,320
nothing like it, right, the
true Yeah oh yeah, yeah, so

695
00:49:39,519 --> 00:49:43,559
the critics went, this is wonderful, right, it was like a dose

696
00:49:43,639 --> 00:49:46,840
of fresh air. Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, And I

697
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:51,679
remember that too because I was working
for Strawberries when when Norah Jones I hit

698
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,519
big, And yeah, you're right, I remember that. And of course

699
00:49:53,599 --> 00:49:55,719
now we you know, we live
in a time where you can, you

700
00:49:55,800 --> 00:50:00,440
know, you can put things out
yourself on the release of yourself online,

701
00:50:00,519 --> 00:50:04,199
and it's a it's a completely different
world now. I mean, record labels

702
00:50:04,199 --> 00:50:08,840
still exist obviously, but um uh
yeah. But it's funny too. You

703
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:13,079
know, people there's still people who
think that, you know, if if

704
00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:15,000
I get signed to a record label, you know, all my problems will

705
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:20,360
be solved. And yeah, I
remember meeting of bands that have been signed

706
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,679
in Utah and they came up to
New York. They go to cheap apartment

707
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:27,079
of Staten Island for ten bucks a
night and they're all working this way to

708
00:50:27,159 --> 00:50:30,119
send Barbucks. Yeah. Yeah,
a going you signed to a major labeler

709
00:50:30,159 --> 00:50:34,760
says yeah, we got no money
right right? Yeah, yeah, exactly,

710
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,559
Yeah it is. It can be
a dirty business sets for sure.

711
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:42,000
Yeah, so I can I can
see why you got disillusioned with it.

712
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,599
Um, listen, Oh, this
has been a wonderful Conrad. We learned

713
00:50:47,599 --> 00:50:51,599
a lot and we went in some
directions I wasn't expecting, which is always

714
00:50:51,599 --> 00:50:53,119
a nice surprise. Um. You
know, I love talking about the music,

715
00:50:53,199 --> 00:50:55,599
but other aspects of the music industry
too, is great. Um,

716
00:50:57,119 --> 00:51:00,880
But we do want to make sure
people know where to find you online,

717
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:04,760
your your band, uh, Bees
Delos and if you have any shows coming

718
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,199
up in the area that you want
to you know, we have listeners online

719
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,000
from Oliver, but any any specific
shows you want us to know about anything

720
00:51:10,039 --> 00:51:13,840
at all, social media, whatever
you can. You can find us on

721
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,239
Facebook as Bees Deluxe and you can
find our website best Deluxe dot com.

722
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:23,119
And our next show is a No
Carver show matinee at the Porch Southern the

723
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:29,639
Southern what's it called? Porch Southern
Fair and Duke Joint in Medford, Okay.

724
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,920
And it's a matinee Okay. And
we released a video of Jamie Lee

725
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:38,880
Curtis begging us to put out a
matinee show. Really yeah, I'm kidding,

726
00:51:39,039 --> 00:51:43,920
yeah wow. And we're on Instagram
and Twitter and Masterdon and all those

727
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:49,199
things. So she was at she
was at late the Grammys or something like

728
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,800
that, and she was begging Bruce
Springsteen to stay on matinee. She goes

729
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:54,480
to bed at seven in the evening. Yeah yeah, So we cribbed the

730
00:51:54,599 --> 00:52:00,079
video and put our name in there. It's brilliant. I love it.

731
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:04,039
I love it all right, very
good. On the website, of course,

732
00:52:04,159 --> 00:52:07,880
is Bislux dot com. And uh, Conrad, this has been wonderful.

733
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:09,920
Thank you again so much, my
friend for coming in. This is

734
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:15,599
thank thanks for having me absolutely from
the studios of w m n H ninety

735
00:52:15,639 --> 00:52:21,000
five point three FM in downtown Manchester, New Hampshire. You are tuned in

736
00:52:21,159 --> 00:52:59,639
to the best of Matt Connerton unleashed
and we have a very special guest with

737
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,320
us. Let me bring that mic
up, so Zach from Abner the second

738
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,760
this year. Hello, sir,
Hi, how are you now? Good?

739
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,360
Good good? And uh he's gonna
play live for us and let me

740
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:13,480
bring up them the other Uh,
we're kind of gonna live sound check on

741
00:53:13,599 --> 00:53:20,119
the air. Here, how's that
sound, little Moriam? Perfect? Thank

742
00:53:20,199 --> 00:53:22,079
you? Okay? Cool? Cool? All right? So, uh,

743
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,400
he's gonna play live for us.
I'm gonna do some songs and then afterward

744
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:29,320
we'll we'll chat a little bit and
get to know him. But this is

745
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,599
really cool. Uh, this is
uh a very Let me put the wide

746
00:53:31,599 --> 00:53:34,679
shot on there so you can see
the full set up. He's got his

747
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:39,079
pedals and his viola. Am I
saying that correctly? Yea? So this

748
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:43,239
is uh, this is awesome.
So I will I will go ahead and

749
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,840
give you the floor if you want
to. You can introduce the songs or

750
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:47,760
however you want to do it.
And I just can't wait to hear you.

751
00:53:49,480 --> 00:54:05,039
Very cool. This song is called
Dover. You don't think that it's

752
00:54:05,039 --> 00:54:15,360
scudding easier, but if funny thing, we would say it's cutting better.

753
00:54:19,039 --> 00:54:30,159
And I wrote a song about you
and learn the age old lesson. Think

754
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:58,320
of it singing tune and we harp. The co host is good for you

755
00:55:01,199 --> 00:55:17,000
and just snow snow think of you, and how I wanna thank you for

756
00:55:17,199 --> 00:55:24,400
teaching me the age old lesson.
Think of them singing the mic and singing

757
00:55:24,480 --> 00:56:29,599
tune. You don't think it's getting
easier. Body funny thing we would say

758
00:56:30,119 --> 00:56:37,800
it's getting better. And I wrote
a song about you and learn the age

759
00:56:37,840 --> 00:57:07,360
old lessons our kids singing tune.
We hope the coast is good for you.

760
00:57:09,159 --> 00:57:43,199
Still think of you you, let's
think of it. Sing tune we

761
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,079
have if you're just joining us.
Zach from Abner the second is here with

762
00:57:46,199 --> 00:57:51,000
us in studio and he's got a
whole he's got a whole set up here.

763
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:52,599
Well, we'll talk to him about
it afterwards. Very interested to learn

764
00:57:52,679 --> 00:57:58,679
more and how we uh we figured
how we figured out how to do all

765
00:57:58,719 --> 00:58:01,280
this. It's it's remarkable. Different
pedals. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah,

766
00:58:04,079 --> 00:58:06,239
yeah. It's very kind of you
saying thank you again for having me.

767
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:07,800
I'm very very happy and I listen
to your show of you now and

768
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:13,400
again it's very nice of you to
a very nice of you to uh here,

769
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,559
very cool. Alrighty. So these
next two songs they go back to

770
00:58:17,639 --> 00:58:24,000
back um. They're called Fireplace and
Keep Closed and they actually the opening two

771
00:58:24,079 --> 00:58:29,199
songs off of the album that I
have coming out called The Audrey Burns,

772
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:34,599
which is out May fifteenth. If
you go to uh Instagram dot com slash

773
00:58:34,679 --> 00:58:38,239
abner underscore II. There's a pre
sidelink there, so make sure you do

774
00:58:38,360 --> 00:59:35,840
that anyway. All right, here's
a couple more. I've been running off

775
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:45,159
the fumes. Help you, and
I just came wander and I thank you

776
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:54,800
less. How y'all live in before
you boy, spring time boon? And

777
00:59:55,000 --> 01:00:04,920
when is screening, you're all worry
eating. You know she's southside for you.

778
01:00:05,840 --> 01:01:42,400
I guess, face down on the
bird glasses in one hand, in

779
01:01:42,599 --> 01:01:49,480
your eyes in the other. It's
the small comes in through a window.

780
01:01:50,719 --> 01:02:14,880
The shoes said, we should keep
closed. Shake the thoughts is shaving my

781
01:02:15,199 --> 01:02:25,559
head in painting the ceiling with thoughts
of you and I have bird existing because

782
01:02:25,639 --> 01:02:36,519
it's a man. It better of
meaning because it's so good. I man

783
01:02:36,679 --> 01:03:10,800
it better of meaning because I had
nothing works right in in your head.

784
01:03:13,119 --> 01:03:21,400
You've been left out, so I
bother. Let the fog rolling through a

785
01:03:21,559 --> 01:03:30,559
window. The church says, you
should keep close, You should keep close,

786
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:38,119
You should keep closed, You should
keep close. Shait the thoughts is

787
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:50,599
shaving my head and painting the ceiling
with thoughts of you and I ever existing.

788
01:03:51,719 --> 01:04:00,920
He says, ah many better of
meaning. He says, oh good

789
01:04:00,280 --> 01:05:53,480
on that it's better meaning no hope, no hope, thank you. Wow,

790
01:05:53,960 --> 01:06:04,039
beautiful, beautiful, gorgeous. You
know I always enjoyed rainy days really

791
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:06,239
thinking about that. You know,
as I was playing, I was like,

792
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:15,199
this is just fitting. Rainy days
make me drowsy day and mondays always

793
01:06:15,239 --> 01:06:20,000
get me down. Yeah, I
like the sunshine. If you're just joining

794
01:06:20,119 --> 01:06:25,559
us. We have Zach from Abner
the Second here in studio and uh,

795
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:28,639
this is uh, this is great. Really enjoying this a lot. You

796
01:06:28,719 --> 01:06:31,719
have such an incredible setup he has
for for for our listeners out there is

797
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:39,159
this beautiful viola, electric viola plugged
into about six different petals into an amp,

798
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:45,760
and I'm just fascinated watching him work
these petals and and different switches and

799
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:50,960
dials, and it's just amazing what
you're able to produce all by yourself.

800
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:56,760
It sounds like there's a lot more
going on. It's just one person.

801
01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:01,239
It's absolutely awesome, awesome, very
kind to you to say, thank you,

802
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:06,079
absolutely, thank you again for having
me. Yeah. Yeah, so

803
01:07:06,159 --> 01:07:14,000
I have a I have a few
more twos. Okay, yeah. My

804
01:07:14,119 --> 01:07:18,280
instrument they stopped developing it in the
like thirteen hundreds, so it doesn't respond

805
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:25,239
well to anything such as a room
or someone breathing. Though we're doing all

806
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:30,320
the things a lot of tuning.
All right, This is the title track

807
01:07:30,679 --> 01:07:35,480
off of my album The Audrea Burns. The song is called The Audrea Burns.

808
01:07:35,679 --> 01:07:45,360
All right, you're ruler now and
you know that this is probably won't

809
01:07:45,519 --> 01:07:51,320
and well the audea of losing it
in the concept you're gonna quit again,

810
01:07:53,360 --> 01:08:00,159
it's the forest and nicotine, a
haunted house of and pheto means and they

811
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:30,960
deal your quote alone you're alone.
You're alone and on your own. You

812
01:08:31,079 --> 01:08:39,279
could tell me shut my poormout when
I'm talking to somebody other than me.

813
01:08:40,039 --> 01:08:48,279
Alone, we go to bed and
most nights angry or at least an now

814
01:08:48,640 --> 01:09:10,239
the version something other than I'll be
you're alone alone, But I guess you

815
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:20,239
know this so well well in the
eye losing sleep, in the concept you

816
01:09:20,399 --> 01:09:33,199
want to leave, we don't have
it, and if we did, we'd

817
01:09:33,239 --> 01:09:46,039
break it again. We don't have
it, and if we did, we'd

818
01:09:46,079 --> 01:09:51,600
break it again. You long for
a place you don't know, and the

819
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:59,760
time that doesn't exist, with thoughts
that you won't grow. When you were

820
01:10:00,039 --> 01:10:11,000
a salon, The Archery Burns,
The Archery Burns the Archery Burns off,

821
01:10:11,720 --> 01:11:25,600
the Archery Burns. All right,
thank you, very cool. That's the

822
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:29,439
h So that's also the title of
the album that's coming out, Yeah,

823
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:33,600
Adrea Burns. Yeah, coming out
fifteenth acorded here in Manchester excellent, excellent.

824
01:11:34,039 --> 01:11:38,880
Where where did you record it?
I recorded it at a Blastulus studios

825
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:43,199
in Manchester, New Hampshire. Okay, yep, which was which is very

826
01:11:43,279 --> 01:11:45,800
nice. Yeah, my friend Evinrma
did it. Oh, very good.

827
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:48,439
Yeah. The studio tracks we've been
playing sound great. Yeah, thank you

828
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:51,560
so much. Kind of you just
say thank you for playing them. Absolutely.

829
01:11:55,239 --> 01:11:57,680
We have a we have a name
in the chart room I haven't seen

830
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:00,840
before. I wonder if it's a
fan of yours. Larry Thomas. Larry

831
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:04,199
Thomas. Not familiar, No,
not familiar, but I'm really terrible with

832
01:12:04,359 --> 01:12:15,399
me. Well, hello, Larry
faces welcome Larry. All right, if

833
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:18,279
you're just joining us, We have
Zach from Abner the second here in studio.

834
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:28,399
Alrighty So, speaking of Yarmo,
this next song is actually called Yarmo.

835
01:12:29,119 --> 01:13:15,439
Excellent. Again, to tell you
we you'll see every night for sleep.

836
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:59,439
Just speak just speak to me,
just speak to me, please,

837
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:28,960
there's no shame in locking doors,
blocking numbers, and none wanting more.

838
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:54,800
Your face through and this your goldears
slithout, you face through something other than

839
01:14:54,960 --> 01:15:15,800
Hippy's something other than happy, something
other than happy, something other than happy,

840
01:15:18,640 --> 01:18:09,239
something other than m Wow, it's
beautiful. That was awesome, Thank

841
01:18:09,319 --> 01:18:14,720
you, thank you very much.
Just fascinated getting to watch you play is

842
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:20,159
just amazing. I'm just fascinated watching
you strum the viola and yeah yeah,

843
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:25,520
I mean wow, are you using
a pick? No? Just is the

844
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:28,560
way you were holding your fingers it
almost looked like they were like a pick.

845
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:30,479
Yeah, yeah, no, just
just the old the old finger,

846
01:18:31,399 --> 01:18:38,399
very small hands. That doesn't reflect
my masculinity, right, it's gonna gonna

847
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:45,159
clarify that. Yes, yes,
strong masculine side. Oh yeah, that's

848
01:18:45,279 --> 01:18:49,760
right, that's it. I have
mistaken. Very cool. All right,

849
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:51,920
So I have a couple more tunes. These two go back to back as

850
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:56,920
well. Okay, yeah, so's
the last two songs off the album.

851
01:18:58,079 --> 01:19:05,920
It's called a Alien seven all right. This is Abner the second with us

852
01:19:05,960 --> 01:20:53,319
in studio over the bridging con again, while the other it's of Toowntown Street

853
01:20:54,279 --> 01:21:02,920
from When My Heart to Live.
I hope the comfort don't kill what it

854
01:21:03,279 --> 01:21:15,359
is that you said you believed in. I'm in the alli for you because

855
01:21:15,439 --> 01:21:30,119
what else can I do? I
think I'm freaking out again. But this

856
01:21:31,159 --> 01:21:51,319
is my It s where I talk
to myself. Mister Green, would you

857
01:21:51,720 --> 01:22:28,640
ask these spidy folks? It's to
leave, grow up and let them win.

858
01:22:30,359 --> 01:22:40,079
It's a tale told t why he's
written down and then forgot it again.

859
01:22:42,039 --> 01:22:49,159
I'm sorry mom for the life about
it. I'm living all right.

860
01:22:49,239 --> 01:23:13,279
You some happy songs, you'll love
them, but this is one. It's

861
01:23:13,399 --> 01:24:20,159
where I talk to my self,
this screen to side to leave. There

862
01:24:20,279 --> 01:24:28,279
you go again, acting like the
top of man. You know you're not

863
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:39,479
nothing set in. Just give it
time and you'll be back on your knees

864
01:24:40,279 --> 01:25:25,920
again and I'll love it. There
you go again, acting like the top

865
01:25:26,239 --> 01:25:36,279
man. You know you're not enough
things said, Just give it time and

866
01:25:36,479 --> 01:27:08,439
you'll be back on your knees again
and they'll love it. But Sun smit

867
01:27:23,239 --> 01:27:43,279
Chili, thank you, Wow wowst
two songs off the album Yeah okay,

868
01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:45,520
yeah, going out, try to
go out with the bag. Those are

869
01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:48,720
two of the Those are two of
the earlier songs I wrote, you know,

870
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:51,000
and I'm not sure if either of
you are news buffs or not.

871
01:27:51,159 --> 01:27:55,720
But oh, yes, everybody the
past couple of years spent a lot of

872
01:27:55,760 --> 01:28:03,720
time inside. Yes that was you
know, I was amazing, but yeah,

873
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:06,000
that was Those are those are the
last two songs on the album,

874
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:10,600
but they were like the first two
I wrote you know, a while ago

875
01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:15,520
and went in that direction. So, oh fantastic. What you just well,

876
01:28:15,039 --> 01:28:18,880
just a curiosity question what you just
said. Was it during the pandemic

877
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:21,399
that you learned to do this or
was this something you were already doing?

878
01:28:21,479 --> 01:28:27,680
Befrior to it? Um So I
play um, I play strings in a

879
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:30,439
band called A Happy Just to see
you. That's like my like main project

880
01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:33,960
that like I really spent a lot
of time on and you know, creatively

881
01:28:34,079 --> 01:28:36,079
where I try to spend a lot
of time with you know, cello,

882
01:28:36,159 --> 01:28:41,960
violand viola. And then um,
what ended up happening was his my front

883
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:45,880
man got hit by a car and
he was just kind of laid up in

884
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:47,079
bed for a year. So then
I was kind of left to my own

885
01:28:47,079 --> 01:28:51,079
devices, and that's when I started
to kind of do this and you know,

886
01:28:51,159 --> 01:28:54,600
and then it just kind of spiraled
off into me you know, doing

887
01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:57,319
this and then I bring what I
do here into Happy just to see you

888
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:00,439
and yeah, so that's how I
started to do it. Yeah, yeah,

889
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:04,279
so it's amazing, Zach. Did
you want to get did you want

890
01:29:04,319 --> 01:29:06,680
to have a seat and get comfortable? Yea, very cool. Yeah,

891
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:11,000
we have my back to you.
Well that's okay. Yeah, well,

892
01:29:11,159 --> 01:29:13,880
uh we we'll talk for a few
minutes. We were actually, um,

893
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:15,039
yeah, we got about ten minutes
left in the show. But I do

894
01:29:15,279 --> 01:29:18,279
uh, like I said, you
know, very interested in what you're doing

895
01:29:18,319 --> 01:29:20,800
at such a unique project. And
yeah, you can just go ahead and

896
01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:24,359
here, I'll meet the mic while
you while you adjust. Absolutely, and

897
01:29:24,439 --> 01:29:29,239
for people that are interested, you
can definitely find Abner the Second on Instagram.

898
01:29:29,399 --> 01:29:34,000
That is a B N E R
underscore I I and I am dropping

899
01:29:34,039 --> 01:29:38,520
those links into the chat room.
Excellent, excellent. Yeah, where does

900
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:42,199
the name come from? Abner the
Second? Um, it's a homage to

901
01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:46,119
uh uh there's a cartoon called Hey
Arnold. Oh yeah, he had a

902
01:29:46,159 --> 01:29:49,880
pig name Abner. I thought a
pet pig was really cool. Yeah,

903
01:29:50,039 --> 01:29:53,159
so then I was just gonna be
Abner. And then I thought, oh,

904
01:29:53,199 --> 01:29:55,399
you know Abnor the Second, you
know, yeah, pet pig.

905
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:58,720
Yeah yeah, so so tell me
a little bit about it. I mean

906
01:29:59,319 --> 01:30:01,560
to learn to to do this.
The way you're doing it is it.

907
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:04,399
Um. And I've seen other artists
who looping and stuff, but I mean

908
01:30:04,479 --> 01:30:08,439
it looks so somebody like me,
like, I'm a simple bass player.

909
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:14,119
I you know, I used to
playing the rock. Well I appreciate that,

910
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:17,600
but I mean, so to me, what you're doing looks incredibly overwhelming.

911
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:23,520
Oh yeah, it's um, it's
uh. It was baby steps,

912
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:26,279
you know, to to kind of
sort of learn to do everything. Yeah,

913
01:30:26,560 --> 01:30:30,279
it was um for for for the
album that I just did like everything

914
01:30:30,359 --> 01:30:35,039
I tried to make it so I
kept like the organic relationship with the instrument

915
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:40,479
and then bring kind of parts I
wrote you know at home or laying in

916
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:45,239
bed or whatever it is, into
in front of technology and stuff along those

917
01:30:45,319 --> 01:30:47,399
lines. So it was all about
kind of piecing it together. Yeah,

918
01:30:48,319 --> 01:30:51,640
baby steps though, Yeah, one
looper at a time. Yeah. Um.

919
01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:57,359
And when you when you play out
live, are you um do you

920
01:30:57,640 --> 01:30:59,399
well? Do you do a lot
of shows? Are you playing out a

921
01:30:59,439 --> 01:31:00,560
lot? Yeah? I try to
play out as much as I can.

922
01:31:01,159 --> 01:31:03,840
Um. Yeah, I've had a
handful of shows. Most of them have

923
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:08,840
been like basement venues. Yeah,
you know their locations are. But yeah,

924
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:12,079
right, yeah, I know.
But the um, yeah, it's

925
01:31:12,319 --> 01:31:14,239
I try to play out, you
know, as much as I can.

926
01:31:14,760 --> 01:31:17,920
Um. And like ever since COVID
my uh you know, for lack of

927
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:20,880
better words, like Little Black Book
of like promoters and stuff to reach out

928
01:31:20,920 --> 01:31:25,119
too, it's kind of dried up. Everybody kind of changed and something else.

929
01:31:25,199 --> 01:31:28,479
So I'm trying to figure out who
to contact for shows and stuff.

930
01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:30,279
And um, the album came out
later than I wanted to, so I

931
01:31:30,319 --> 01:31:33,600
didn't really have a whole lot to
send to promoters, gotcha. But but

932
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:36,439
I do. I do enjoy playing
out live. Yeah yeah, and I

933
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:41,479
do this and I have a keys
player and a drummer and stuff along those

934
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:44,479
lines that I use. Oh cool
yeah, oh okay, yeah. But

935
01:31:44,600 --> 01:31:46,279
it's cool that you have the option
to do it by yourself if you have

936
01:31:46,439 --> 01:31:48,800
to, you know. Yeah,
that's pretty cool. Yeah, it's very

937
01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:51,399
nice. Yeah yeah what what what? What band do you play in?

938
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:55,239
Oh? I don't play in any
bands anymore. I used to. I

939
01:31:55,399 --> 01:31:58,439
used to be in a million different
bands. Yeah yeah bass cool though,

940
01:31:58,520 --> 01:32:03,479
yeah yeah, um, And the
album is out theft yeah May fifteenth,

941
01:32:03,560 --> 01:32:05,720
yeah, yeah, May fifteenth.
Yeah, it's gonna be out, very

942
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:08,880
excited, you know, put a
lot of work into it, you know,

943
01:32:09,079 --> 01:32:11,880
yeah, scheme of things. Now, is it just you on the

944
01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:14,600
album or do you have other musics? No, I have I have multiple

945
01:32:14,640 --> 01:32:17,439
other musicians or yeah, I have
um Evan ben Wall he did some guitar

946
01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:20,199
and vocals for me. He's also
in the band Happy just to see you.

947
01:32:21,079 --> 01:32:26,000
And then Evan Yarmo he was my
you know, quasi writing partner is

948
01:32:26,039 --> 01:32:29,680
the best way to describe it.
You know, all the extra the bells

949
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:31,760
and the synths and all the extra
instrumentation, a lot of it went to

950
01:32:31,920 --> 01:32:35,680
him. Yeah. And then I
had my friend Ty who's in the band

951
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:42,079
five Feet. He did drums for
me at um Black Lodge Audio. I

952
01:32:42,159 --> 01:32:45,920
think that's what they call you,
a Black Lodge Audio candya okay, where

953
01:32:45,079 --> 01:32:48,560
we recorded drums with a man named
I Andrew Johnson. So yeah, now

954
01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:51,039
I was happy just to see you
still active as well? Oh yeah,

955
01:32:51,119 --> 01:32:54,159
yeah, just to see us.
Yeah, yeah, we're still kicking.

956
01:32:54,399 --> 01:32:57,359
Yeah, they're both. Yeah,
both are it's apples and oranges. I

957
01:32:57,399 --> 01:32:59,760
hold both very close, you know, near and dear to my heart.

958
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:01,479
So yeah, and we have an
album coming out too. You know,

959
01:33:02,359 --> 01:33:05,159
we have a we have a call. I think somebody has a might have

960
01:33:05,239 --> 01:33:09,119
a question of some feedback for you. Hello, welcome to the show.

961
01:33:09,159 --> 01:33:13,600
Who's this, Hey, Maddie,
It's Gary. Hey Gary. We're almost

962
01:33:13,640 --> 01:33:17,079
out of time, so we gotta
be playing any Hey, sweetie, what's

963
01:33:17,159 --> 01:33:21,920
up? Gary? Hey? Um? The music that you were playing your

964
01:33:23,079 --> 01:33:30,079
your abner too? Um? Do
you play like Ashley McIsaac. Actually,

965
01:33:30,079 --> 01:33:34,520
actually you know who Ashley? Oh
no, no, I have no idea.

966
01:33:35,840 --> 01:33:42,039
He was um. Um he plays
he plays violin and he plays really

967
01:33:42,239 --> 01:33:46,479
um what people would call odd things
like what you do. He's very good

968
01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:54,199
and I've known him when when I
was younger, and his stuff is really

969
01:33:54,239 --> 01:34:00,199
good, very cool and just like
Jacques Lupante. Uh. He's in another

970
01:34:00,279 --> 01:34:05,039
violinist and they were playing you know, they play rock music and they play

971
01:34:05,119 --> 01:34:12,119
things like that. But Ashley McIsaac
is very good. His aren't is um

972
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:19,159
she's um, she did another she's
a violinists um who plays all over the

973
01:34:19,239 --> 01:34:27,199
place and but um, Ashley McIsaac
is really he's amazing awesome. Yeah,

974
01:34:27,239 --> 01:34:30,680
I'll have to have to check him
out. He's a Canadian. Oh,

975
01:34:30,279 --> 01:34:33,159
spook him up. He's really his
stuff is really really good. He had

976
01:34:33,319 --> 01:34:41,359
one song. I have a couple
of his CDs and it's um, good

977
01:34:41,479 --> 01:34:43,880
day, how are you or whatever. It is one of the songs and

978
01:34:45,159 --> 01:34:47,560
he's been playing since he was a
young kid. He's probably old now,

979
01:34:47,720 --> 01:34:51,760
but um, yeah, the stuff
that you're playing is just like what he

980
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:57,239
plays. Nice, what he played, very cool and it's amazing. Yeah,

981
01:34:57,640 --> 01:35:00,000
it's it's just really great stuff,
you know, and a right,

982
01:35:00,039 --> 01:35:03,239
Gret. I love I love the
diversity and music like that, and I

983
01:35:03,359 --> 01:35:10,079
love what people can do with um
with the soma of you know, people

984
01:35:10,119 --> 01:35:13,359
will say, oh, why you
pay you play fiddle. It's like,

985
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:17,000
no, I don't play fiddle.
I'm not a country I'm not a country

986
01:35:17,039 --> 01:35:20,239
tiddler. All right. You know
I'm playing. I'm playing like a like

987
01:35:20,319 --> 01:35:27,199
a classical rock type what you're playing, and it's it's excellent. I enjoyed

988
01:35:27,279 --> 01:35:30,199
it. Cool, cool, all
right. Gary. We are short on

989
01:35:30,279 --> 01:35:31,960
time, my friends, but I
appreciate the call. I know you're running

990
01:35:31,960 --> 01:35:36,119
out of time, Maddie. All
right, Garrett, I love you both,

991
01:35:36,239 --> 01:35:42,920
and I just want to tell you
I'm celebrating a an anniversary one month

992
01:35:43,039 --> 01:35:47,520
in my new palatial apartment here,
so congratulations, I congratulate. Yeah,

993
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:53,720
I've been listening and the music is
fantastic and just yeah, keep it up.

994
01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:57,279
I love it all right, all
right, yeah check out Ashley Kaisac

995
01:35:57,319 --> 01:36:00,720
can really enjoy the stuff. So
all right, than man, love you

996
01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:03,960
guys, night by bye, all
right, bye bye, all right,

997
01:36:04,119 --> 01:36:08,000
very good. Um, before we
run out of time, Zach, where

998
01:36:08,039 --> 01:36:11,359
should people go online to keep up
with everything that you're doing as far as

999
01:36:11,399 --> 01:36:14,680
shows and the new album and every
Yeah, definitely. Yeah. So Instagram

1000
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:16,319
right now is kind of the main
vein. I don't really have much on

1001
01:36:16,760 --> 01:36:20,720
Facebook, so that's just abner A, B N E R, Underscore II

1002
01:36:20,920 --> 01:36:24,359
and I think Jim put in the
chat yes, yep, yeah, And

1003
01:36:24,479 --> 01:36:27,760
if you follow me there there's a
pre save link. Right now, the

1004
01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:30,800
only link I have is for Spotify
for it's a there's a little bit of

1005
01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:34,239
a delayed fuse with putting up tunes
in the world of you know, pre

1006
01:36:34,359 --> 01:36:36,920
safe stuff. So hopefully i'm more
presaved links later. But yeah, May

1007
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:41,800
fifteenth, it'll be out, Okay, very excited, excellent, excellent.

1008
01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:45,680
How many songs on it? There's
nine songs? Ok? You got cut?

1009
01:36:45,279 --> 01:36:48,079
Oh really? Yeah? Three cut
cut yeah, yeah, so nine

1010
01:36:48,159 --> 01:36:50,479
songs, you know, yeah,
which is nice. Well, why why

1011
01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:54,920
did you cut the three? Um? They just weren't coming together because when

1012
01:36:54,960 --> 01:36:57,840
it came down to recording this,
it was it was very labor intensive just

1013
01:36:57,960 --> 01:37:00,600
recording each individual loop and yeah,
trying to make stuff work, and just

1014
01:37:00,760 --> 01:37:03,760
three couldn't come together, you know. And I don't like long songs either,

1015
01:37:04,079 --> 01:37:06,920
yeah, yeah, personally I don't, and some like I cut one

1016
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:10,359
that was five minutes, like yeah, noh, no kidding, I'm not

1017
01:37:10,520 --> 01:37:15,199
a five minute guy. Yeah,
I don't like five minute guys. Yeah,

1018
01:37:15,319 --> 01:37:17,159
can't you five minute songs? There
you go, there you go.

1019
01:37:17,439 --> 01:37:19,960
Well, we're really glad you came
in today. Thank you so much.

1020
01:37:20,119 --> 01:37:23,640
Yeah, it means the world.
Thank you for thank you for having me.

1021
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:26,680
Yeah. No, what you do
is remarkable and uh and unique and

1022
01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:30,600
it's uh, you know, it's
uh no disrespect to any any of the

1023
01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:33,199
great artists that we have on obviously, but it's cool to see somebody doing

1024
01:37:33,239 --> 01:37:36,439
something as interesting as what you're doing. And that's very kind of you to

1025
01:37:36,520 --> 01:37:40,640
say yeah and and thank you.
I showed up and just kind of plopped

1026
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:43,520
having to d I everything right on. So you took it like a Champce,

1027
01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:45,800
so thank you for that. Thank
you. Oh you were awesome,

1028
01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:47,960
Yeah, awesome, happy to be
happy to do it. Very good,

1029
01:37:48,159 --> 01:37:50,800
very good. Well, we are
just about out of time, Jenny,

1030
01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:55,239
did you want to plug your your
website? Absolutely can always check me out

1031
01:37:55,279 --> 01:37:59,760
at Jencoffee dot com j E.
N N C O F Fey dot com.

1032
01:38:00,319 --> 01:38:02,239
And I do have more writings coming
out on the mining and I will

1033
01:38:02,239 --> 01:38:06,479
be giving an update on the national
health campaign. Very good, very good.

1034
01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:11,760
And that's gonna do it for us
for now. Zach from Abner of

1035
01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:15,319
the second, thank you again so
much. My friend is this has been

1036
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:18,720
absolutely absolutely happy to do it,
and that's gonna do it for us for

1037
01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:23,119
now. I will talk at you
all a little bit later. Bye everybody,

1038
01:38:23,279 --> 01:38:44,399
Bye bye Fay. Sound of the
glasses in one hand, in your

1039
01:38:44,439 --> 01:38:55,239
eyes in the other, this is
smoke comes through window side. We should

1040
01:38:55,359 --> 01:39:21,279
keep clothes seek the thoughts is shaving
my head in painting ceiling with thoughts of

1041
01:39:21,560 --> 01:39:34,560
you and I everisca sis, God, damn it a heaninging. This is

1042
01:39:34,880 --> 01:40:04,920
so good. God damn it her
a meaning nothing. We're trying in your

1043
01:40:06,560 --> 01:40:17,920
use in lifetimes to my bother with
the rolling through window it s says,

1044
01:40:19,199 --> 01:40:28,399
used to keep clothes, you should
keep closing, used to keep cool,

1045
01:40:30,880 --> 01:40:40,319
used to keep close and shouts shutting
me father, and painting the ceiling without

1046
01:40:40,399 --> 01:40:59,079
some human dis he says god temn
meaning he says so God tem n meaning

1047
01:41:00,039 --> 01:42:08,079
no, no, no not.
From the studios of w m n H

1048
01:42:08,279 --> 01:42:12,880
ninety five point three FM in downtown
Manchester, New Hampshire, you are tuned

1049
01:42:12,920 --> 01:42:49,000
in to the best of Matt Connerton
Unleashed and we have with us returning to

1050
01:42:49,079 --> 01:42:54,479
the program. Mister Shane Ballen is
here. Hello, Hello, it's great

1051
01:42:54,520 --> 01:42:57,000
to be back. Yeah, scaded
to be back. Thanks Matt. Yeah,

1052
01:42:57,079 --> 01:43:00,600
absolutely, it's good to see you
and looking forward to hearing some tunes.

1053
01:43:00,720 --> 01:43:04,399
And uh yeah, me too,
me too. I got a we

1054
01:43:04,479 --> 01:43:06,560
had a couple of guitars here,
I got a little Martin here. We

1055
01:43:06,640 --> 01:43:12,960
just got so, I got some
I got a couple of covers I wanted

1056
01:43:12,960 --> 01:43:15,239
to play, and but I want
to play some songs off the EP that

1057
01:43:15,319 --> 01:43:19,199
I just put out. Oh yeah, and my good friend and producer missed

1058
01:43:19,199 --> 01:43:25,000
the goodbars, Timothy Thorpe Toy Box
Studios in nashvill Um did a great job

1059
01:43:26,039 --> 01:43:29,439
helping me out with that and looking
forward to working with him again. Yeah,

1060
01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:33,079
so excellent, excellent. Yeah,
and is the So the EP is

1061
01:43:33,079 --> 01:43:35,920
it out now? Yeah, it
takes a few days. It takes like

1062
01:43:35,960 --> 01:43:39,279
a week or how many days it
is. But it's all set up with

1063
01:43:40,119 --> 01:43:43,039
on destro Kid. Excellent. Yeah, so it's out there on all the

1064
01:43:43,119 --> 01:43:45,600
platforms. Oh, very good,
very good. Yeah, I don't know

1065
01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:46,720
how I guess it will be a
little while. Yeah yeah, yeah,

1066
01:43:46,720 --> 01:43:50,199
Well congratulations on that. Thanks,
and they just keep writing. You know,

1067
01:43:50,279 --> 01:43:55,279
I have a bunch of songs,
so I have another another whole whole

1068
01:43:55,560 --> 01:43:58,600
EP, I would say right now, so excellent, goa just gotta work

1069
01:43:58,640 --> 01:44:00,840
on it. Yeah yeah, all
right, Well, whenever you're ready,

1070
01:44:01,439 --> 01:44:04,800
I'm dying to hear whatever you're gonna
play for us. Yeah. I wanted

1071
01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:08,680
to play a couple of the songs
I was thinking about playing, um,

1072
01:44:09,399 --> 01:44:12,119
you know, Charlie and I want
to play Daddy's Truck. I want to

1073
01:44:12,159 --> 01:44:15,760
play spring Pain Projection. You know. I have a new song that called

1074
01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:19,159
a Note that that I just wrote. Okay, somebody they can get that

1075
01:44:19,239 --> 01:44:23,159
in. Yeah, yeah, we
have plenty of time, all right,

1076
01:44:23,239 --> 01:44:26,319
great and uh yeah, so I'd
like to start it off here. Let's

1077
01:44:26,359 --> 01:45:00,760
get warmed up with little Stapleton.
All right, it sounds good. I've

1078
01:45:00,800 --> 01:45:15,000
seen my share broken halo folded ways
that used to fly. If I got

1079
01:45:16,119 --> 01:45:30,560
rather there, he go rocking halos
and huge fly angels come down round the

1080
01:45:30,680 --> 01:45:43,199
heathline, came to hell bows came
highway first the tea chests. They an

1081
01:45:43,600 --> 01:45:59,279
leave gona fine, no soul save. I've seen my share broken halo folded

1082
01:45:59,359 --> 01:46:12,560
away. They used to fly.
He fuck where every day go broken halo

1083
01:46:13,479 --> 01:46:24,399
stay, used to fly, broken
hands and he used to shine. Don't

1084
01:46:24,479 --> 01:46:39,680
go login for the reason. Don't
go asking Jesus why we're not mentor now

1085
01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:50,039
on, he answered. They belong
to the bye by, evelong to the

1086
01:46:50,239 --> 01:47:14,920
bye by. I've seen my share
of broken halo holding ff I come by

1087
01:47:15,000 --> 01:47:30,000
loan, Who's that used shine?
Broken? Has broken hans and to fly

1088
01:47:36,239 --> 01:47:40,199
well. Stapleton, Ah, it's
beautiful, beautiful. I love it.

1089
01:47:40,399 --> 01:47:44,239
But I was gonna say, by
the way, Sarah. Lorraine Prince is

1090
01:47:44,279 --> 01:47:46,439
in the Facebook live chat and says, excited to hear you perform the song

1091
01:47:46,520 --> 01:47:49,720
you wrote with my mom. All
right, that's right, I think I

1092
01:47:49,800 --> 01:47:54,840
remember you. Uh oh and uh
iris Ivas and Lamire is in the chatterman

1093
01:47:54,920 --> 01:47:58,159
says cool Shane Balen, all right, let's do Daddy's Truck right now.

1094
01:47:58,319 --> 01:48:00,800
All right, this this is the
song that Sarah was talking about. Yeah,

1095
01:48:00,880 --> 01:48:04,359
cool, cool, all right,
awesome, all right, and uh

1096
01:48:09,720 --> 01:48:13,119
yeah, here we go. This
song is uh. I wrote with a

1097
01:48:13,159 --> 01:48:17,039
friend of mine passed away, Janine
McGrath, and she wrote this song and

1098
01:48:17,119 --> 01:48:20,279
I said, spoke about it once
and it reminded her of her dad when

1099
01:48:20,319 --> 01:48:25,960
I started playing a certain chord progression
and she wrote a song about an old

1100
01:48:26,039 --> 01:48:30,680
Dodge truck and it had the smells, you know, reminiscence of her father.

1101
01:48:30,920 --> 01:48:33,560
Um, so she would keep it
around and then she had to go

1102
01:48:33,640 --> 01:48:36,199
to the junkyard one day. And
this is the story of Daddy's truck.

1103
01:48:59,239 --> 01:49:03,039
I can stee you smell back.
Oh, when I climbed, said,

1104
01:49:03,479 --> 01:49:12,600
my dad struck real dream at his
need. He taught me how to travel

1105
01:49:12,760 --> 01:49:26,239
down and hold road, lucky strikes
and no spice out two smells that with

1106
01:49:26,520 --> 01:49:36,199
my heart. Now that a more
memories in his own. Dad struck her

1107
01:49:36,319 --> 01:49:43,079
birth more than the morning that you
pay me. If I wasn't so down

1108
01:49:43,239 --> 01:49:48,840
on my hands, Look right now, I can't drunk hanging on to my

1109
01:49:49,039 --> 01:49:59,840
daddy, unruly child and running wild. It didn't know how to thank me.

1110
01:50:00,520 --> 01:50:04,960
Daddy's girl, and I was his
world, all his love that he

1111
01:50:05,079 --> 01:50:13,319
gave me. I didn't get her
rights, wanting to grow up and be

1112
01:50:15,000 --> 01:50:28,119
free memoriason as the old time strucking
worth more than money that you will if

1113
01:50:28,199 --> 01:50:34,520
I wasn't so down on my loved
right now back trucking mind, I hang

1114
01:50:34,640 --> 01:50:59,319
on to my daddy as I take
that gun rack down now my heart break,

1115
01:51:00,159 --> 01:51:11,359
who with every painful turn of the
screw let me view window now has

1116
01:51:12,000 --> 01:51:27,640
a very clear and painful you.
Please fix her up the trucker. Don't

1117
01:51:27,720 --> 01:51:40,960
turn my daddy to the mantle kill
memories in his old datched recouverth more than

1118
01:51:41,039 --> 01:51:59,880
the money that you ever got,
pay me memories and datch trucker with money.

1119
01:52:05,800 --> 01:52:11,039
M Wow, that's that's uh.
Yeah, you played that last time

1120
01:52:11,079 --> 01:52:15,000
too. It's just amazing. Um, thank you. Our friend Ronda Ferverro

1121
01:52:15,560 --> 01:52:18,840
from California and the chat room says, uh, having just lost my beautiful

1122
01:52:18,960 --> 01:52:23,520
husband, this song is so resonating
with me. Thank you. Wow,

1123
01:52:23,560 --> 01:52:27,039
You're welcome. I'm it helped.
Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry to hear

1124
01:52:27,079 --> 01:52:31,319
that, Ronda. Wow. Sorry
absolutely. Sometimes music can bring out the

1125
01:52:31,680 --> 01:52:35,079
pain and make you, you know, reminisce, but in a in a

1126
01:52:35,119 --> 01:52:39,159
way that heals you in a sense. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And

1127
01:52:39,479 --> 01:52:43,840
Sarah said, thank you, Shane, You're welcome. Yeah yeah, thanks

1128
01:52:44,880 --> 01:52:49,439
And um Yardbird Blue Sky says hashtag
Shane Balen. We say, awesome song.

1129
01:52:50,399 --> 01:52:57,199
Um, very nice, very nice. Um and uh oh and I

1130
01:52:57,279 --> 01:53:00,159
see another name in there too.
I've iris of a sudden lamier who I

1131
01:53:00,159 --> 01:53:03,640
assume as that's my mom? Oh
that's your mom? Excellent, okay,

1132
01:53:04,039 --> 01:53:08,760
very nice, very nice. That's
good. All right, Well you want

1133
01:53:08,800 --> 01:53:14,159
to keep going him? Yeah?
Cool cool. I'm not gonna do that

1134
01:53:14,239 --> 01:53:16,439
one though, I was gonna say
that sounds familiar with Oh yeah, yeah,

1135
01:53:19,319 --> 01:53:23,800
I would like to do another cover
cover though, us goes out to

1136
01:53:23,880 --> 01:53:30,760
my dad and uh um down in
Florida. Oh yeah, so uh The

1137
01:53:30,880 --> 01:53:36,439
song right here is uh by Luke
Holmbs. It's called even though I'm leaving?

1138
01:53:40,000 --> 01:54:01,359
Are you doing Dad? Love you
Daddy? Am free? Won't you

1139
01:54:01,479 --> 01:54:11,880
stay in a little while? Look
me safe because there's monsters right outside Latty,

1140
01:54:12,000 --> 01:54:18,640
Please don't go. I don't want
to be alone. Girls. The

1141
01:54:18,760 --> 01:54:28,600
second that you'll God, they're gonna
know and before he left, he grab

1142
01:54:28,960 --> 01:54:36,359
my handing say, even though I'm
leaving, dom me, I won't be

1143
01:54:36,600 --> 01:54:44,039
right by her side when you need
me and you can't save me in the

1144
01:54:44,199 --> 01:54:50,279
middle. Love, ex close your
eyes isn't a safe prayer. It's okay.

1145
01:54:50,520 --> 01:54:57,319
I know you're scared when I'm not
here, but a long always be

1146
01:54:57,520 --> 01:55:14,279
right there. Even though I'm lady, ain't nowhere, Bob balance like downing

1147
01:55:14,359 --> 01:55:21,399
tough the sky. I know there
we're gonna be laid. I'm Sam.

1148
01:55:21,600 --> 01:55:28,720
Don't like the way you got a
big old pain gonna take me far away.

1149
01:55:30,880 --> 01:55:38,800
I don't know why I acted.
There's a churney in mygat because I

1150
01:55:38,960 --> 01:55:47,119
just can't call you out. Things
differ and my daddy tuned and he grabbed

1151
01:55:47,199 --> 01:55:56,920
my nickins. Even though you'll leave, you don't mean I won't be had

1152
01:55:57,039 --> 01:56:02,600
by your side when you need me
and he can't see me in the middle.

1153
01:56:02,880 --> 01:56:09,800
Love, and now, just close
your eyes and say prayer. It's

1154
01:56:09,840 --> 01:56:15,880
okay, boy. I know you're
scared when I'm my, but I homes

1155
01:56:15,960 --> 01:56:36,640
be right. Even know I'm leaving, I angle nowhere that he am afraid.

1156
01:56:40,680 --> 01:56:45,000
Won't you stay a little while?
I never thought I had seen that

1157
01:56:45,399 --> 01:56:55,359
I had to say goodbye that he
please don't go. I can't do this

1158
01:56:55,640 --> 01:57:00,479
on my old There's no way that
I can want all this cruel along.

1159
01:57:03,439 --> 01:57:11,520
And Daddy turned and grabbed my hand
on the last time. Even though I'm

1160
01:57:11,560 --> 01:57:19,000
may you don't mean I won't be
even right by yourself when you can't see

1161
01:57:19,159 --> 01:57:26,720
me in the middle love and night. Just close your eyes, say a

1162
01:57:26,880 --> 01:57:32,399
prayer. It's okay. I know
you're scared. I'm right here. Can

1163
01:57:32,520 --> 01:57:42,039
I'll al whisper right here even know
I'm leaving. I ain't going nowhere.

1164
01:57:48,279 --> 01:57:50,520
It's beautiful, that's really beautiful.
Thanks