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You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio
Network, the best in paranormal talk radio

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in the UK and around the world. Welcome to the Paranormal Pendal Podcast,

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coming to you from the heart of
Pendle Witch Country in the northwest of England.

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My name is Craig Bryant, author, the investigator and collector of stories.

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Join me as we take a journey
into the paranormal, UFO sightings,

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cryptozoology and big cast. This is
the Paranoral Pendal Podcast. Okay, so

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welcome to forty five of Paranormal Pedal, broadcasting to the Paranormal UK Network at

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PAUK radio dot com. Now for
this episode, if you're watching it on

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YouTube, we're actually live. We're
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we're doing a actually doing a visual
recording for change. It's not something that

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I normally do, but it's been
requested by some of my YouTube followers,

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which is great. So yeah,
welcome to my guests. As you can

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see, Mark Colly, Mark welcome, nice to be here. Thanks for

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having me. Absolutely be delighted to
have you. I'm really interested to chat

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to you about your book. Actually
that's that you just released. You called

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Europe's Roswell. But before we get
into that, can you just tell me

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a little bit about yourself? Okay, this is the bit I don't like

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doing because it's embarrassing. I've done
loads, I've done tons of stuff.

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I've done television. I did a
serious WRITV called Lost Treasures. I've got

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nine books out in all in total, which can go find on Amazon.

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The last thing I did, I
think was Ancient Aliens. I was on

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the season nineteen last year, so
there's that. I am also in a

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band. I played drums in a
rock band, so you know, you

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might get to see me out on
the musical circuit occasionally, and I've been

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doing it for a long time.
That's all I can say. Professionally archaeologist,

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I always go under the writer,
presenter archaeologists label because that is basically

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what I do. I guess if
folks really want to know more, they

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could just you know, tipe me
into YouTube and see what little horrors they

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can find out there, because I'm
all over the place. Yeah, that's

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basically me. What's what's your speciality
then, in archaeology, what's your sort

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of people? Well, I rose
to the dizzy heights of site direct or

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whatever, that means, you know, you get to sort of point at

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things and send people around an organ
eyes stuff and on all of that side

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of it. So as a site
director you don't get to do very much

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dirt archaeology. And as I've got
older, I mean, I'm far too

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old now to be digging in trenches
up to me and easy mud. You

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know, it's not something I particularly
relish doing now, but it's great ordering

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the youngsters in there and getting them
to dig stuff up. So yeah,

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I never really got any higher than
site director because I got sort of suckered

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into the world of television back in
the heady days of Time Team and all

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that. Like I say, I
had this Lost Treasures twenty two episodes over

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five years for ITV Granada, which
got shown on Sky. And trust me,

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if you ever do TV like that, it just takes over your life.

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You know, that's it. But
there was you know, people see

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that and you know they see the
whatever ten eleven hours of TV footage we

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produced, and at the end of
the day, there's you know, twenty

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years of field archaeology and stuff and
experience that's gone into that. So it

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does take a lot to produce,
you know, especially something as fast moving

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as that. So I've not really
been down a hole recently, not since

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Lockdown, but I was still down
there digging, and you know, I

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still research find stuff for write books. I must have ten million reports I

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need to write up. You know, So, what what period do you

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like, really get excited about it? Then? What was the historical period

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you get excited about. Well,
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did archaeology, it was the Celts. I was really keen on the Celts,

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mainly because there are so many Romanists
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and I thought, all, what
about the poor fellows the Romans are

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invading? You know, what about
everybody else? You know? So I

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kind of went off and did that. But then the Celts kind of feed

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into, you know, the Arthurian
period because book before this one was King

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Arthur, the polychronic On and Merlin, Joseph and Arthur. So that was

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all about that sort of end of
the Celtic period, and then I kind

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of developed into early Medieval and I
sort of stopped just after the Nasty Normans

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and the Crusades. I kind of
stopped at the Nights Templar. So for

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twelve years we were doing re enactment
events, you know, costumed and all

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kind of dressed up in the gear. And the last one of those we

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did in twenty nineteen, so we
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It's amazing I did that as a
hobby, and I think it was more

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successful than the archaeology. Well,
no, I mean it's it's fascinating.

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It is a fascinating suggestion, certainly. I mean, I'm really fascinated by

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medieval, medieval history. My wife
is a history teacher. Those people who

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do follow followed the podcast for a
while and listen to some interviews I had

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with other people will know that Sarah
is a history teacher. She doesn't tend

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to do very old stuff. It's
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she still has an interest and we
are both very much into genealogy. We're

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both very much into family trees,
and on my side of the family side

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of the family, I can actually
follow a line which goes back to some

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landowners in Yorkshire, much to my
dismay being a Lancastrian, but we can

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actually follow it all the way back
to John of Gaunt and then obviously through

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him, we go back through several
kings all the way back to William the

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Conqueror. So that was quite interesting
to do that. I mean, obviously,

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you know that's onny on a on
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But but yeah, that was quite
interesting. I was going to say,

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I might, I might be able
to pop your head with a bit

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of trivia there because I I there
was there was this thing, there was

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there was. There was this thing
when when we were doing Lost Treasures,

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because everyone was convinced I was a
Viking. So there was like money changing

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hands, you know, as to
whether I was or not. And we

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had Professor Stephen Harding with us,
who did Blood of the Viking, so

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he was part of the team.
So right in the last season, they

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had to test me. And when
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I was anything but Viking. I
am categorically a Central European celt That's what

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I am. But that sent me
off on one of these, like you

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say, geneological genealogical journeys and tracing
the DNA, and I managed to get

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it back. You're ready for this. Akin Artan's dynasty in Egypt, I've

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got sixty five percent of the same
DNA that akin Artan and Tutan Carmen House

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so and that can be supported by
one of the medieval legends of Scotia or

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Scotia that came all the way to
southern Ireland in the early medieval period.

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So it looks like that's where I
come from. I'm sort of northern Italy,

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down to Egypt, across the Spain
into southern Ireland, up through Ireland

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and then across into Scotland and down
to Macclesfield. We finished up as we

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finished up as the medieval lords of
Macclesfield. That's where we were looked after

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the Black Prince's warhorse, which was
the equivalent to his Porsche nine eleven back

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then. You know, yeah,
yeah, no, I mean yeah,

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it's quite funny. I actually went
I went to Lancaster Castle to to have

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a bit of a look around because
strangely enough I'd never been. And one

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of that I was telling one of
the guys and he said, always said,

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you were in about seven million other
people are all descended from Johnagan.

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So I don't don't think that's special, you know, but no, I

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do think it's nice when you when
you can actually see it, even though

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you know you're not that particularly unique, you know, you can still see

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that that line and who married who
and so on, which which interesting talking

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about DNA. Actually did my DNA
quite quite a while ago, and we

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will get to your book in a
minute, by the way, but all

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right, interesting, I actually did
my DNA quite a few years ago,

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and my DNA group is something like
only about two percent. The happlog group

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that I joined that I'm part of
is only about two percent of the population

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of the British Isles, so that
the genetic markers that I are actually quite

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quite rare, and my ancestors going
I think they've followed them back about fifty

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thousand years back to the Balkans.
So that's where this this particular group that

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i'm I'm part of genetically came from
and came across through Central Europe and Southern

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Europe, so you know, sort
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up up into the into the British
House. So you never know, we

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might be in the same group because
worldwide there's only twelve percent of DNA for

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me. Yeah, and we're about
fifty thousand BC as well, So you

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know, your your ancestors and mine
could have been sat there having a cup

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of tea in a cave somewhere,
you know, fifty thousand years ago.

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Very possibly they might have been doing
a podcast. Who knows. Yeah,

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so oh yeah, fascinating that.
I mean, I could talk to you

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about that for hours. But let's
talk about you. But then, okay,

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Europe's as well. This is a
subject that I know nothing about.

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Mark, I'll be quite honest with
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little bit there, he goes,
tiny, a little bit of research.

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I must have it. Not an
awful lot. Nineteen eighty three, Yes,

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uh, Lanny and Laar? Is
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Tell me what happened? Right?
Okay? Well, the story begins with

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a newspaper article a Strange Debris out
of the Sky. Let me get the

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date for this, absolutely correct,
because it's it is in the book.

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So let me just have a look
for the benefit of the listeners and the

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viewers. Hold on, here we
go. This came out in the Sunday

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Express on the twenty third of January
nineteen eighty three, Strange Debris out of

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the Sky, and it was by
a journalist called Andrew Chapman and a friend

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of Minel. Gary Rowe ran the
North Wales UFO group at that time,

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and he subscribed to a newspaper clipping
agency who thought that this you know article

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might be of some use, so
they sent it to him. And in

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this article it outlines how you know, something hit trees and scattered debris over

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four fields on this farmer called Irwell's
farm, just outside the sleepy North Wales

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village of Planilla. So Gary then, being that he's in the same area

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is North Wales, he gets on
the blower to Irwell because he happened to

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know him, and said, you
know, well, what's going on?

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And what Irwell said was he said
he got up one morning, went out

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to look at his sheep and four
of these pretty sizable Welsh fields, I

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mean the fields in Wales are not
small. Four of these fields are covered

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in debris that looked like big sheets
of metal. And Tim Foyle so Irwle's

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first reaction as well, it looks
like a plane crash. You know,

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I've had a plane crash. So
he phones the police. The police say,

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well, we've not had anything reported. They phoned the local air Force

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base and about two or three hours
later, the place looks like a scene

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from a James Bond movie. They've
got all these vehicles out, they've got

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floodlights up, they've got metal detectors
out. They're searching for these fragments all

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over the place, and some of
them are quite sizeable. There's big sheets

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there that are sort of two meter
square six foot square sheets of metal.

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Anyway, Gary phones and says,
can I come down and have a look.

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And I was like, well,
you know, they spent all day

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clearing it. I went to bed
because I need to get up the next

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day for my sheep, and when
I got up the next day, it

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was all gone. He said,
so you're welcome to come down and have

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a look, but I don't think
you're going to find anything. So a

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couple of days later, Gary turns
up on Uble's farm. They go out

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there. There's nothing. Fields are
completely cleared, absolutely no debris there at

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all. And then Gary notices that
the woods next door, this wooded cops

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has got this huge swathe of trees
cut out in it, like something's come

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down and literally smashed through the top
of the trees. So Gary gets his

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little team together. His mates have
come with him he says, right,

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we're going in the woods. You
can seawhere to look because you can see

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where the damage is, and we'll
see what we can find. There's no

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way they're going to get everything out
of the woods in the middle of the

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night, so you know, we'll
have a look. Anyway, they got

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six pieces of metal, two pieces
of what appear to be foil, and

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then a couple of tiny fragments out
of this wooded area. Anyway, then

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the story rumbles on. It starts
get a bit more mysterious. Then Gary

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then says, can we come back? I will says yes, He comes

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back, He doesn't find anything,
so he's now had two visits. He

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decides he's going to come back for
a third visit, and then he gets

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a phone call off Irwell and Irwell
says, there's no point you're coming back.

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Gary says, why is that?
He said, well, they're removing

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the woods. The Forestry Commission have
come in with heavy duty you know,

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machinery and they're taking the woods away. So Gary phones up the local you

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know forestry commission and says, what
you're playing at The guy on the other

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end says, well, we're taking
the woods away because of wind damage.

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And Gary's like, do you normally
take a whole forest away because they're in

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damage? And the guy on the
other end, you know, Gary says

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he's sure, he was smiling,
said no, but in this case we

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are. So that leaves Gary then
with these fragments. Don't me to carry

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on because it's a long story.
I mean, yeah, please do.

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It's fascinating. Yeah, it's really
interesting. Yeah. Well, from a

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youthologis point of view, it kind
of it ramps up a little bit at

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this point because a couple of weeks
later, he gets a knock on the

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door, you know, and he
goes to answer his door and he can

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see through the glass there's two black
figures stood there. So he's ready for

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this, so he opens the door. Sure enough, it's two men in

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black, black suits, you know, black hats, black glasses, you

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know, incomprehensible military looking passes.
Gary glances up the close and there are

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two black SUVs you know, with
the windows blacked out, no number plate.

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And these guys basically say to Gary, they say, well, you

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know, can we have our material
back? And we have the fragments you've

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got back? And Gary's like,
nope, you're a bit late, boys,

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And they're like, what do you
mean. He says, well,

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what I've done is, he says, I've broken one of these pieces up

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into little, tiny fragments. I've
put them into key rings, and I've

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handed the key rings out to everybody
I know who's connected to the media.

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And he said, if you ever
come looking for this material again or knock

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on my door again, I'm going
to phone them all up and tell them

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to release the material to the media. Now you've got to bear in mind

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this is in the nineteen eighties as
well, so you know, this kind

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of stuff, this story, this
kind of material is not in circulation.

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So these guys basically just shuffled off
in silence, got into the vehicles,

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drove off and were never seen again. But the twist in that is they

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must have known that Gary had got
something out of the woods. So they're

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clearly watching the crash site and they
knew where he lived, right of course.

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So you've got to kind of you
know, gets a bit dark there,

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gets a bit sinister. So there
we are the men in black thing.

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Obviously, is it's something that that
you know is a running theme,

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isn't it through through these sort of
cases. I mean, I remember reading

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a case on the moors over Bolton
where the Murphy case, and there was

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there was I think it was Steve
Mihror who who investigated that, and he

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wrote that he was followed by as
you described, you know, sort of

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blacked out four by four land rover
men inside, you know, with with

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the suits and the dark glasses.
You know, you typically and and it's

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funny, isn't it. How how
when you say Men in Black, you

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automatically think of the film, don't
you, And you think, you know,

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you think of Will Smith and you
and they are dressed in exactly that

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way, aren't they. It's it's
almost as if somebody in Hollywood was either

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told this is how you portray them, because you know, we're sort of

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trying to get people used to the
idea that these people exist, or it

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was just a pure coincidence that they
decided to dress them in such a way

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that these people have been dressing for
all these years. I don't think it's

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a coincidence because Men in Black one, the first film, started off as

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a cartoon strip, you know,
and people that do cartoon books, especially

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in the States, are known to
get really edgy with the content. You

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know, some of the some of
the cult cartoon strip books are quite dark

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and they're quite deep. So I
think that's where that actually originates, you

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know, the idea of you know, protecting the Earth from the scum of

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the universe. You know, it's
funny they just sort of pop up though,

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isn't it. You know, these
sort of these sort of things.

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I mean with regards to this material
that he got, then, was there

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ever any sort of analysis done on
it, any metal urga or anything like

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that, or well, yes,
there's been three sets of tests, and

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we've loosely called them UK, USA
and Australia, and that's roughly the three

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sets of tests. The UK one
he had some friends in the aerospace industry

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and he took the pieces around and
there was a couple of ladies that did

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up aircraft, a couple of guys
that worked in the military who looked after

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air aircraft, and they looked at
the material and they said, well,

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British air Space, why don't you
take it to British airspace to see what

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they say. So back in the
nineteen eighties, that's what we did.

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Took it to British air Space,
British Airspace looked at it and they said,

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well, we've never seen anything like
this. We don't know what half

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of the stuff is because it's like
there's a green rubbery coating, there's resin,

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and there's a metal sort of center
core if you like. And they

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said, we can't. You know, it cost us thousands of pounds to

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analyze it because it would have done
back in the nineteen eighties. And they

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said, but in our opinion,
it's duralamin. It's a form of aluminium

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which has been around since ships,
you know, between the First and Second

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World War. They've had this gialment. It's a bit like a trade name

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as well. It's like McDonald's or
Coca Cola or whatever it's it's just a

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trade name for about two hundred different
types of aluminium, which you know,

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it was kind of helpful, but
kind of not helpful if you know where

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I'm coming from. So then the
publisher, Philip, when we came to

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do the book, you know,
we put the whole book together. It

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was ready in January, and then
Philip said, well, why don't we

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have another go, you know,
why don't we ask Gary see if he's

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got any samples he can send us, at which point I'm like, you'll

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be lucky if he sends you anything. You know, he's super, super

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super protective of the material, doesn't
keep it at this house, keeps it

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in a you know, a lockcase
and a lock up, you know,

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safely deposited away. Obviously, he
doesn't want to lose it, doesn't want

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it taken. So anyway, the
Philip gets on the on the emails to

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Gary. Anyway, a few days
later he gets a couple of pieces of

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the material in a jiffy bag through
the post. So we're like, yeah,

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we can do it. So we
did the new analysis. We blind

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sent one to Australia and blind sent
another one to United States. Didn't tell

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either lab what we'd done. Yeah, and of course me and Gary are

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like, well, this'll sort it
out, you know, we'll find out

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exactly what it is. They'll tell
us that, you know, that'll be

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it. Anyway, the first one
back was the Australian one, and what

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they said is unfortunately British Airspace were
wrong. It's not alaminum as in gyalamin

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it's aluminum foam, which is what
they do nowadays. They mix two materials

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together, one of them being aluminum, and it phaes and then it goes

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hard at room temperature, so you
end up with a metal that is super

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strong, super hard, but doesn't
weigh anything right, very very light because

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of the air air bubbles and yeah, it gives it that kind of like

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really yeah, but in miniature.
And the British Airspace has already said the

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green paint on this stuff was non
aerodynamic and they hadn't managed to identify the

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glue, but the Australian's voiced the
opinion that this was an American type of

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glue, so that made it look
like it was one of ours. About

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five days later we get through the
American analysis and we opened Darrow up and

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basically the first thing it says on
the first page is material unknown. Okay,

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So we're like, oh, okay, and they go on to describe

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a completely different material. So it
looks like we'd assume that all the crash

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debris was the same stuff, but
it's not. There are two different things.

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Is the aluminium stuff and the stuff
that came back from the States is

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lantheum lanthanum, which is an exotic
type of rare earth metal. It's incredibly

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difficult to get out. It's extremely
expensive. You took in tens of thousands

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of dollars to get this extracted and
do something with it. But what's important

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is this is a material with all
this weird green rubbery hexagons all over it.

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And there were sheets of this stuff
that were, as I said earlier,

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six foot two meters square. And
this material is phenomenally expensive. Now

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it's not rare. It's everywhere.
It's twenty seventh most common material on the

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planet. You know, it's in
everything from mud to you name it.

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But at the end of the day, it's also in the upper atmosphere.

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It's in stars, it's in galaxies, it's in comets, it's in meteorites.

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You know, it's all over the
place. So that then sort of

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put the cat among the pigeons.
And the most important thing is that the

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Americans didn't identify the adhesive, right, so it's clearly not an American adhesive

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because that would have been the first
thing they would have got, you know.

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So, yeah, we know what
it is because we produce it exactly.

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It's so now it's beginning to sound
like it's not one of ours,

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it's one of theirs. However,
there's somewhere in the middle. We've got

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three alternatives. In the book.
I just briefly mentioned these, but we

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now come down on one of three
alternatives. Either it's a man made piece

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of super technology, in which case, where did it come from? And

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what the hell was it doing flying
around in nineteen eighty three. They didn't

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have aluminium phone back then. You
know, lantheum was unheard of. This

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is super super technology, but it
could be it could be you know,

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an American experimental vehicle of some kind, or you know, something that crashed.

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Then you got the other extreme.
You could say, Okay, it's

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alien. It's an alien thing because
the aliens have only got the same basic

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materials to work within the galaxy that
we have. Everything's made of the same

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element. Yeah, and the thing
that makes it alien is what you do

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with it. And the lantheum certainly
came as a complete shot, because nobody's

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come up with that before this set
of analysis. But then that's your second

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option, your third option, and
I sort of lean a bit in this

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direction. Is something came down at
Roswell in nineteen forty seven, something crashed

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in Roswell, New Mexico, and
it's possible that what we're looking at is

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back engineered technology, so in fact
it is alien technology, but it's actually

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us doing the alien thing. You
know, we've developed it and we're using

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it, which then would quite neatly
explain how it was, you know,

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flying around in the late seventies early
eighties, because it would have had time

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then to do something with it and
mess with it and develop it. But

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what we thought was going to be
a nice, clear, easy, you

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know, this is going to nail
this one. It's just made the rabbit

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hole go deeper. It's just,
you know, completely muddy the waters,

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hasn't it really Because you've known totally
You've now got three three hypotheses and you're

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thinking, well, hang on the
minute, which is the more slightly?

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I mean, I think that back
engineering idea is is interesting and I think

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it's I think it's feasible that there
was obviously something as well, and the

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American Air Force did did look at
what had come down what they have back

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engineered a lot of the materials,
even maybe some of the propulsion system that

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you know that they're now looking at
to to possibly power vehicles, you know,

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in space exploration. But I mean, yes, I don't know,

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do you do you sort of think
it's more likely that one that that hype

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of well being an archaeologist and knowing
a bit about what went on in the

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First and Second World War. The
First World War, I get the guralment

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thing. I get what they were
doing with airships and that. So the

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aluminum thing, I don't have any
problem with that. That that's fairly straightforward.

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However, the Roswell thing, you've
got to start looking towards Operation paper

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Clip and things like that, where
they brought all of the German technology in

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the German science and all those developments, rockets, you name it, and

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they split them up across several continents. The Russian's got some, Chinese,

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got some Americans got some. So
looking at where nineteen forty seven where the

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Roswell crash sits is in that you
know, post operation paper Clip bracket.

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So it could be it could be
that the Germans were developing stuff like this

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and working with things like this.
But the real sort of kicker is the

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lantheum. You know, that's not
something that you just stumble across by accident.

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You know, geologically speaking, there's
aluminium out there. You can find

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aluminum, you know, and there
are ancient archaeological remains where it shows that

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people have been messing with aluminum in
the past. But lantheum's a big no

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no, you know, it's nowhere. It just doesn't appear anywhere. I've

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not seen it in any of the
German technology records. I've not seen it

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in any of the American technology records. We've approached, we've even approached experts

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recently. This is post doing the
book. We've approached experts in the military

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aeronautical side of things, and they've
come back and described stuff that looks very

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similar to what we've got, but
no lanthium. So you've got this huge

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question mark over Okay, they're looking
about with this, but not necessarily giving

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away what's going on in terms of
the chemistry and the weird metals and strangeness

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that's in there. And then you've
got a question, well, what does

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it do? Because when they attempted
in America to photograph this piece of lanthium,

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it pushed back. When they started
using microscopic photography on the metalwork,

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all they got was interference. The
image was breaking up. So the metal

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clearly has a quality about it.
There's something going on in there beyond it

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just being a lump of earth,
a lump of metal from the planet.

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There's something else still going on inside
it. The photograph of that does appear

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in the book. You can see
now it's you know, it's broken up.

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It's it's almost impossible to get a
clear picture of it. So they're

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up to something and it does something. So it's it's almost like then it's

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it's scattering the not protons, what
whatever's being used to scatter, it's it's

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reflecting it back. So to me, that would suggest maybe some sort of

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mechanism whereby it hides itself, almost
like a sort of clocking device if you

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want to go down the old the
old stock route. Well, what we

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what we did was we can we
considered it sort of from that point of

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view. You know, do they
flick a big switch and it just banishes?

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Yeah, exactly, That's what I'm
getting that, Yeah, yeah,

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you know. And there was another
side to it as well, and that

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was maybe it's designed to operate under
pressure at high speed, in certain dimensions,

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at certain frequencies. You know,
it's designed to operate and when for

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some reason it slowed down and it
got battered by trees. That slow,

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low density impact broke it up like
eggshell. It shattered it. So there's

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something about the design of it that's
really quite exotic. The cutting through the

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trees was about twenty twenty five foot
wide, so that's too big really for

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a drone. It's about the right
size for a small stealth vehicle of some

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kind. But they'd have had to
develop that in the late nineteen seventies in

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order to get it up in the
air and have it flying by January nineteen

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eighty three. You know, they've
only had a couple of years in the

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eighties there to actually fly this thing. So I'm not aware of anything in

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00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:52,839
that period that's like it. So
when did the Americans start flying the well,

406
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:57,880
they call it the flying wing.
Didn't there they be the stealth bomber?

407
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,839
They would you developing that as a
concept? I think it was skunk

408
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,039
works that were doing it in the
United States. I think they were developing

409
00:30:06,119 --> 00:30:11,519
it in the nineteen fifties based on
the German technology, but it is older.

410
00:30:11,799 --> 00:30:17,200
But they've not come forward and said
anything. We've put We've put disclosure

411
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:21,880
requests in freedom of information requests and
so far, we've just drawn a blank.

412
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,799
You know, nobody's talking, and
the few people we know who might

413
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,680
know are not talking either. You
know, they're just all playing ignorant of

414
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:36,160
what this material is fascinating stuff though
it really is. Because absolutely so this

415
00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:38,440
let's let's just go back to the
crash site then, because you mentioned obviously

416
00:30:40,119 --> 00:30:45,960
there's this huge swath of trees that
have been flanned twenty five feet wide.

417
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,400
How long was that? How you
know, I mean, have you been

418
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:52,680
able to work out how fast it
was going? That's that's what I'm getting

419
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:59,039
at. The general opinion is that
it was going slow. The reason the

420
00:30:59,119 --> 00:31:03,680
reason for it going slow is its
quite miraculous really, because it hit the

421
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:10,440
trees, it cut this swathe.
It then either exploded or imploded or shattered

422
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:15,599
covered the four fields. And what
everybody couldn't understand, no one could understand

423
00:31:15,599 --> 00:31:18,359
this at the time, is that
the bulk of it was still able to

424
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:23,559
fly off where no engines, no
cockpit, no pilots, no structure,

425
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,920
I mean four fields. To cover
four fields, that's like pretty much the

426
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,799
whole of the outside shell of this
thing's gone. But it was still able

427
00:31:30,839 --> 00:31:36,880
to depart without leaving any any remains. You know, there's a couple of

428
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,880
other bits of a twist as well. While we're looking at that period,

429
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:45,000
we contacted the guy who wrote the
article, Andrew Chapman, because we thought,

430
00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:48,119
okay, where did he get his
story from? So we did this

431
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,599
back in two thousand and eight.
We contacted him at that time he was

432
00:31:52,599 --> 00:31:55,400
still working for the Sunday Express.
He said, hang on a minute,

433
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:56,079
lads, I'll go and have a
look. I'll have a look at my

434
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,240
notebook. So he toodles off back
to his notebooks, couldn't find where the

435
00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:05,039
story had come from. It just
appeared from nowhere. So he said,

436
00:32:05,559 --> 00:32:07,920
somebody must have come around the office, you know, after the New Year's

437
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:12,839
break and just handed it out to
be written up. But the thing is,

438
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:17,079
it only appears once in that one
article in the Sunday Express, which

439
00:32:17,119 --> 00:32:22,359
is exactly what happened at Roswell,
because you only had the Roswell Daily Record

440
00:32:22,599 --> 00:32:27,720
that reported it on the day and
the day after that was all we had

441
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,880
and the parallels. Gary picked up
on this actually when we were doing the

442
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:36,400
documentary. He said, it's the
same, it's the same playbook. You

443
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,000
know, something crashes in the desert
one farmer comes out, finds the debris,

444
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:44,200
debris's cleared up, disappears to an
air force base. That's it.

445
00:32:44,279 --> 00:32:47,119
We don't hear anything else. It's
rumored that Matt Brasel, the farmer,

446
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,599
got, you know, a few
of the fragments which you put in a

447
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,200
case, and heid nobody's ever been
able to find that. You know,

448
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:58,400
you got exactly the same thing in
Wales. You've got one farmer, one

449
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,640
cleanup operation, disappears, all vanishes
off to an air force base. Only

450
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:07,319
one newspaper article, you know,
a case full of debris. The parallels

451
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:12,079
are just unbelievable. Gary did some
notes. I've put them in the book,

452
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,839
these notes that he did, and
he's managed to cover about three or

453
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:20,359
four pages as things that are basically
the same. So I strongly suspect somewhere

454
00:33:20,359 --> 00:33:22,119
in a military department they've got a
book on the shelf, you know,

455
00:33:22,519 --> 00:33:27,359
in the event of a UFO crash, this is what you do, you

456
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:32,240
know, almost like like UFOs for
dummies. That's it playbook, military playbook.

457
00:33:32,279 --> 00:33:36,799
They'll have it somewhere. I mean, it is a bit similar to

458
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,480
things like Rendallsham and that, But
honestly, the closest parallel is Roswell.

459
00:33:42,119 --> 00:33:49,200
You know, I heard an interesting
story actually about Rendallsham from a friend of

460
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:53,759
mine who lives down in Suffolk,
and he'd been speaking to and you know

461
00:33:53,839 --> 00:34:00,799
who you are, Chris. I'm
actually off week. I'm going I'm going

462
00:34:00,839 --> 00:34:02,839
to go and visit rendls from actually
the first time for time I've been down

463
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,880
there. But he smoked to a
local guy who reckoned that it was an

464
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:16,599
Essays operation that caught the Americans out
they were testing the base at Rendalsham.

465
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:21,639
And this is a big cover up
because the Americans wanted to save face.

466
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:30,519
They had been caught out. The
Says had courts with pounds down and they

467
00:34:30,519 --> 00:34:32,159
didn't want to admit that, you
know, they weren't secure enough. And

468
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:37,320
these Says guys had gone in,
done what they wanted to do to show

469
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,119
they've been there, and got out
again without being seen. And so it

470
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:43,840
was a bit of a cover up
by the by the American Air Force base.

471
00:34:44,559 --> 00:34:47,159
It's an interesting but who knows.
I mean, it's really it's really

472
00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:52,199
clever because I mean the accusation was
that these UFOs that were flying over switched

473
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,239
off all the atomic things that were
stored there. You know, the nuclear

474
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:59,239
things that were stored there just turned
them all off. Well yeah, it

475
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,159
could be the essay, yes,
that's off to them if they did that,

476
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,920
you know, wow, yeah,
yeah, could have been James Bond

477
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:10,320
who. Well, the funny thing
was when these guys came to clean up

478
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,880
all the debris in Wales. One
of the things that the farmer said was

479
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,039
he said, well, you know
you've got like police officers, you know,

480
00:35:17,079 --> 00:35:21,639
and some of them are in real
big, high flying uniforms. He

481
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,480
said, Then you've got like the
RF guys running around in the green you

482
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:28,519
know, and they've got some fairly
you know, stripes and big badges and

483
00:35:28,559 --> 00:35:30,199
that. And then he said,
but they were all being ordered around by

484
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:34,800
these guys in black suits. He
said that, you know, they were

485
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,440
there sitting and booted and ordering them
around. So there's a lot of stuff

486
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:43,039
goes on we don't know about.
Clearly, there's obviously that there's a government

487
00:35:43,079 --> 00:35:49,079
department somewhere, isn't there. That's
that's that's that's very much involved in this.

488
00:35:50,039 --> 00:35:54,320
Is that particular area have there been
sightings previously or have there been sighting

489
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:59,280
since? Is it an area where
you get a lot of UFO sightings?

490
00:35:59,519 --> 00:36:01,199
Well, sure, answers. Yes. I mean that is a brilliant question

491
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:05,719
because I I did a talk on
it and I was approached by a lady

492
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,960
who used to be an art student, and she was based in Aberystwyth,

493
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,599
which is just up to the coast, and she said she opened the curtains

494
00:36:12,639 --> 00:36:15,920
one morning and saw something coming up
out of Cardigan Bay, one of these

495
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:21,039
underwater things the UAPs as to call
them, now coming up out the ocean.

496
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,159
And she said she had a camera. She grabbed the camera photographed it

497
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,719
and I'm like, oh, please, please send me a copy of the

498
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:30,559
photo. She never did, but
that was the tip of the iceberg.

499
00:36:30,639 --> 00:36:32,239
Once I started talking to Gary,
Gary's like, well, yeah, they

500
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,840
see them all the time. The
local coast Guard has even got the phone

501
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,079
number for the local Air Force base
and when they see them coming up,

502
00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:44,280
they just phone the air Force base. There's stuff whizzing up and down the

503
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:49,679
valleys, you know, all the
time. It's like the North Wales Triangles.

504
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:54,079
He's had some fairly close encounters with
flying craft in that area. You

505
00:36:54,199 --> 00:36:58,719
got, I dread to say,
everyone gets this mixed up. The Berwin

506
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:04,159
Mountain incident is booing. Mountains are
in that triangle. You know the things

507
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,079
I saw, you know, back
in the nineteen seventies, nineteen eighties going

508
00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:12,280
down the Mersey Valley and the things
have been seen over Liverpool and again going

509
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,800
out towards the ocean. You know, we're the top edge of the triangle.

510
00:37:16,159 --> 00:37:21,320
Then you sort of go down to
Aberyswyth and that back up the coast

511
00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:25,199
and you pretty much covered snow down
here in the valleys and stuff's being seen

512
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:29,239
all the time. You've got the
Denby lights, you know, that's another

513
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:34,960
book that's out. There's account after
account after account coming in. The famous

514
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,840
flying triangles. We had those as
well. They've been all over Wales.

515
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:43,280
It turns out though, I think
that the Military of admitted they are stealth

516
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:49,000
drones, triangles with three lights.
We had them zipping over winter Hill up

517
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,360
here in the nineteen nineties and that
was funny because you had loads of reports

518
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:57,079
coming in, you know, flying
sources of seeing over wind Tail and finally

519
00:37:57,079 --> 00:38:00,519
they admitted they were flying these drones
out of Manchester Air Are Okay, that's

520
00:38:00,599 --> 00:38:05,199
interesting. Yeah, So I mean
that's not too I mean, obviously I'm

521
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,239
I'm in North Lancashire, so it's
not not too not too far away from

522
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:15,280
me, I mean more Combre's an
area that that's had a lot of trianglear

523
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:20,119
UFO sittings of the years. But
some of them are going back pre war,

524
00:38:20,639 --> 00:38:24,079
which I think is interesting. Pre
some of them, you know,

525
00:38:24,159 --> 00:38:28,920
some of the reports in the in
the local papers, in the sort of

526
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:36,480
more common Lancaster papers are going back
to sort of turn of the twentieth century,

527
00:38:36,559 --> 00:38:43,320
nineteenth century into into the twentieth century. So as a friend of mine

528
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,360
actually gave me a copy of a
photograph which I'm desperately trying to find,

529
00:38:46,159 --> 00:38:51,920
and it's it's Edwardian nineteen ten,
nineteen twenty. And you can see it

530
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,440
is because you can see the buildings, you can see the trucks on it.

531
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:58,559
In this bridge, there's a Mexican
hat style UFO sat right in the

532
00:38:58,559 --> 00:39:00,480
middle of it. Yeah. And
it's it's not a mark on the photo.

533
00:39:00,519 --> 00:39:05,559
It's on it's on the negative.
It's there. You know, that's

534
00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:08,800
over one hundred years ago, Yeah, which which is I mean some of

535
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:15,320
these reports are pre dating actual flight, Yeah, predating the Right Brothers,

536
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,840
yeah, or or you know,
this is the First World War, which

537
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:24,920
was obviously when you know, technology
really galloped ahead. Because if there's anything

538
00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:30,679
that makes technology gallup ahead, it's
it's a good war. But obviously,

539
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,400
you know, pre pre First World
War, we were messing about with balloons

540
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,360
and that was about it. But
you know, there have been reports all

541
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:43,079
over the place the trying on the
UFOs prior to the First World War,

542
00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:45,800
which I think is amazing, really
well, it does make you wonder if

543
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:50,639
anything the military says is trustworthy.
You know, if they did know what

544
00:39:50,679 --> 00:39:54,159
they were, they really were as
old as that, then it's clearly not

545
00:39:54,199 --> 00:39:57,880
a drone and it's not one of
theirs. So you have you have to

546
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,960
take what they say, you know, with the with a pinch of salt.

547
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,559
There is a darker side to UFOs, I guess and to u APS.

548
00:40:04,679 --> 00:40:09,000
And there's a conference actually Bolton Town
Hall on the seventeenth of February.

549
00:40:09,039 --> 00:40:15,840
It's called the Awakening and it's called
the Darker Side of Upology. So if

550
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,559
anyone's watching this they want to get
along to that. I'm on stage.

551
00:40:17,599 --> 00:40:22,840
There's loads of other fantastic speakers up
there. Go and hunt it out,

552
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,679
and that's the kind of that's the
kind of thing we're looking at. Yeah,

553
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,920
yeah, are there any tickets left
that you know, I would,

554
00:40:28,199 --> 00:40:30,440
I would hope, so there might
be one or two. You know you're

555
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,280
talking, it'd be sold out,
Mark if you were, if you were,

556
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,280
well, it's Steve Mirror's on as
well. Steve's there, and loads

557
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:44,039
of the other others that you'll know. So I mean, if its tickets

558
00:40:44,039 --> 00:40:45,320
having the sold if they have sold
out, I'm sure they could get some

559
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:50,360
extra chairs in, you know what
I mean. Yes, Steve. Steve's

560
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,920
a guy that I keep meaning he's
trying contact actually because he's you know,

561
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:58,480
he's sort of local, local lad
like like you are as well. I

562
00:40:58,519 --> 00:41:00,599
would imagine he's got some really interest
stories to talk about as well. I

563
00:41:00,679 --> 00:41:05,320
keep meaning to try and get hold
of him. So when you see him

564
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,199
at the conference just mentioned me,
and so you might be getting an email

565
00:41:07,199 --> 00:41:13,480
from some old Craig Bryan who's looking
to just go along with him. He's

566
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,440
all right, you know, he's
a bit just disorganized, but he's all

567
00:41:15,519 --> 00:41:19,360
right well. As a kind of
a hot tip. I mean, we

568
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,639
get tons and tons of requests all
the time from the States. We get

569
00:41:22,639 --> 00:41:28,000
a couple from like Australia and Canada. Occasionally we get very few requests for

570
00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:31,119
interviews, you know, from the
UK, very few, so I'm sure

571
00:41:31,159 --> 00:41:35,639
Steve would do one and positively.
Yeah, I'm surprised, but no,

572
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,679
it's it's a big top topic,
isn't it. In America, they're really

573
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:45,119
into it, you mentioned. Can
can we just just tell me about this

574
00:41:45,639 --> 00:41:50,639
Berwin Mountain incident? Yeah, it's
the one that everyone goes to. It's

575
00:41:50,679 --> 00:41:53,599
like the go to incident. But
where this one that I'm investigating that I've

576
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:58,159
written up is nineteen eighty three Berwin
Mountain. I think I'm right in saying

577
00:41:58,199 --> 00:42:01,159
it was nineteen seventy four, so
it's it's a lot older than that.

578
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:06,880
I've done a lot of research into
that. And in the same way as

579
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:12,079
a lot of things like possibly Rendershop
can be explained away, there's been some

580
00:42:12,199 --> 00:42:20,599
quite strong valid statements made to explain
Burwin away. So it depends which side

581
00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:23,639
you take. You know, the
local villagers saw all these lights up on

582
00:42:24,199 --> 00:42:29,320
a hillside and it turned into a
UFO incident, you know, helicopters and

583
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,280
blue flashing lights and all that.
There's another alternative version. It was some

584
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:37,119
hikers that were lost up there and
the lights, the lights with the people

585
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,320
searching for them, and there were
some booms and bangs and flashes and but

586
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:45,719
you know, all these things are
just all connected to create an incident.

587
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,920
Other than that there was there's no
evidence on the ground, you know,

588
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,880
and it's difficult to find anyone that
was actually up on the mountain. They're

589
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:59,679
harder to find. And some of
the emergency services have come out and gone,

590
00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:00,800
yeah, that's one of ours,
you know. Yeah, we had

591
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:05,280
an ambulance up there, or a
fire engine and you know, we had

592
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,320
a helicopter and that It just annoys
me that if it's in Wales, if

593
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:12,599
it's in North Wales, everyone just
pushes it all together, you know.

594
00:43:12,639 --> 00:43:16,000
And there are different incidents, there
are quite distinctly different ones. Well,

595
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:22,719
I've never heard of this this triangle
that you mentioned, that this sort of

596
00:43:23,159 --> 00:43:28,360
North Wales triangle Whales triangle, Yeah, something that that. I mean,

597
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,079
how far how far up does the
extending you said it goes up to sort

598
00:43:31,119 --> 00:43:36,400
of Merseyside? Well, yeah,
the north side of it, if you

599
00:43:36,559 --> 00:43:39,039
like, if you imagine a triangle
sort of you know, on its side,

600
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,360
the sort of the t bar if
you like, the top bar is

601
00:43:43,639 --> 00:43:47,599
is is the River Mersey, right, and things that are whizzing around Wales

602
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:53,400
tend to impact on the Wirral and
they tend to impact on Liverpool as well.

603
00:43:54,159 --> 00:43:58,320
I mean, the one I saw
was quite famous. I mean I've

604
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,119
seen little lights and stars and other
bits and bobs, but the one I

605
00:44:01,199 --> 00:44:06,480
saw was a Jenny Randall's right up
in Mysteries of the Mid Mersey Valley or

606
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,840
Mysteries of the Mersey Valley. And
it had this fine sauce that somebody saw

607
00:44:10,159 --> 00:44:15,079
hovering over the Wirral and it was
spotted by an airplane and then it moved

608
00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:19,719
off and it was spotted by some
campers, and then it shot a bit

609
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,000
further and went through the steam on
the Fiddler's Ferry power station up here,

610
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:28,800
which is a major feat in itself
because that's coming out at like forty odd

611
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,559
plus degrees. Anyway, its shot
through that, and what I saw was

612
00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:35,840
it coming out the other side.
So it came through the steam, and

613
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,800
it looked like the Scout ship out
of close encounters, you know, with

614
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:43,039
lights sort of changing color, you
know, mostly white but with reds and

615
00:44:43,079 --> 00:44:46,440
blues. And it moved slowly up
the Mersey Valley got sort of level with

616
00:44:46,519 --> 00:44:51,159
Warrington. With the light pollution that
I could see, and then all the

617
00:44:51,199 --> 00:44:53,199
lights went off and it just shot
off into the sky. Looked to me

618
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:57,800
about the size of a small truck. But it took a long time to

619
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,400
piece all that together. The full
account of that is in the book Europe's

620
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:05,480
Roswell. But it took eleven years
to find out that anybody else had actually

621
00:45:05,519 --> 00:45:08,400
seen that, And then it's took
about thirty odd years, think it's thirty

622
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:15,599
four years to string all of the
accounts together in detail, and it's down

623
00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:22,320
to Philip Mantle again. Was it
observed them by quite a few different people

624
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,840
as well as you good to see? Well, yeah, the first observers

625
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:30,920
were pilots in an aircraft coming into
Liverpool aircraft at Liverpool Airport. They came

626
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,880
over an industrial state. They looked
down and saw a big They described it

627
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:39,119
as like an opaque light bulb,
like a circle below them. So they

628
00:45:39,119 --> 00:45:42,800
were above it. They were above
it. Yeah, they were looking down

629
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,039
on it. So there's this circle
thing. And then the campers were on

630
00:45:45,039 --> 00:45:49,440
one of the hills in Wirrell,
camping on one of the moorland hills.

631
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,440
They could see this thing side on
so they saw basically what I saw.

632
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:58,119
They saw this light bulb suddenly turn
into this thing with lights on it,

633
00:45:58,519 --> 00:46:01,920
and that came shooting over them,
heading, you know, towards towards the

634
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:10,679
power station. I believe there were
some witnesses around. The lighthouse got out

635
00:46:10,679 --> 00:46:15,360
in my head anyway. There's a
lighthouse that people go visiting on the Mersey.

636
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,960
There were some people there and that's
where it's depicted on the cover of

637
00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:23,159
Jenny Randall's book. It's shown as
this flying source of a light coming down

638
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:30,840
with the lighthouse Hale. It's the
lighthouse at Hale. And when I've plotted

639
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:32,639
it, when I've actually plotted where
these witnesses are and what they saw,

640
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:39,880
it's a fourteen mile straight line running
west to east, so you can see

641
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,960
it and you see what it's doing. And it just followed the valley,

642
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,239
followed the north bank of the River
Mersey and came up to Warrington and then

643
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:52,400
vanished. But it took so long
to piece it together that if there were

644
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,360
any other witnesses out there, I
mean, I'd be glad to hear from

645
00:46:55,400 --> 00:47:00,760
them, But you're taxing people's memories
a bit, you know. I remembered

646
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:05,360
it because I wrote it in me
diary it's interesting there because the whole of

647
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:10,199
that west coast then, so from
Mid Wales, which is obviously Abery Swift,

648
00:47:12,199 --> 00:47:15,760
Cardigan Bay, isn't it, going
all the way up around North Wales

649
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:24,000
up to Merseyside, up past the
Filed Course or Blackpool. Well, now

650
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:29,360
you've gone into what I would call
the next triangle. Yeah, there's some

651
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:34,480
there's something else going on over Lancashire. But Lancashire seems to be different in

652
00:47:34,559 --> 00:47:38,320
some ways. The flying triangles,
for example, you've had those in Lancashire,

653
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:43,199
but you still had things coming up
out the ocean, whereas in the

654
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:47,519
North Wales triangle you tend to get
proper traditional UFOs, you get lights,

655
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:51,960
you get circular things, you get
things that look like the Scout chips out

656
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,159
of you know, sci fi movies
and that. But then if you go

657
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,880
down to South Wales, if you
drop out of that triangle, go all

658
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:02,800
the way down to Cardiff, they've
had the flying triangles. So it's like,

659
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:08,239
you know, different different sightings predominate
in different areas. You know,

660
00:48:08,599 --> 00:48:13,079
of course, over where I am
where I'm speaking to you from now,

661
00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:15,599
where I've got Pendal Hills, look
out my window and i can say,

662
00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:22,280
Pendal Hill, we've had UFO sightings
which are again more like you sort of

663
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:29,320
typical circular UFO type source of shapes, lights, all that sort of stuff,

664
00:48:29,519 --> 00:48:31,960
as opposed to the to the triangula
UFOs. So yeah, so yeah,

665
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:37,960
it's like it's like areas, isn't
it specific areas that you're getting specific

666
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:44,199
types of sightings. Wow, somebody
needs to plot them all, don't they.

667
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,920
Somebody somebody who really really knows the
onions beyond you and I, you

668
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,920
know, somebody's who's been doing this
for a long time and has a lot

669
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,840
of sightings to go at. It
would be fantastic if they did a sort

670
00:48:54,880 --> 00:49:00,559
of UFO map of Britain because you
know, I've spoken to people from Harborshire

671
00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:02,119
and then you go a bit further, like you say, over in Yorkshire

672
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:07,239
they get things again that are slightly
different, you know, they get different

673
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:12,119
shapes to get you know, different
circumstances. I mean, the famous Yorkshire

674
00:49:12,119 --> 00:49:15,320
one is the couple of policemen chasing
one down a road. You know,

675
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:20,760
that's the famous incident over there.
So it'd be nice to bring them all

676
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,519
together and kind of you know,
see if there is some kind of patterns

677
00:49:23,559 --> 00:49:29,159
to it and then maybe go a
step further and plot where the military bases

678
00:49:29,159 --> 00:49:32,760
are, you know, see how
they relate to what we're seeing. You

679
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:37,559
know, might be a bit harder
that though, because you know you're kind

680
00:49:37,559 --> 00:49:40,360
of treading on their toes there to
look at them, you know. Yeah,

681
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:45,519
but I mean, I mean that
is interesting because I mean over in

682
00:49:45,199 --> 00:49:52,679
Yorkshire Harrogate, where you've got men
with Hell. Yeah, which I did

683
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,440
actually look at a map a while
ago when I was when I was writing

684
00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:00,639
my first book and doing a bit
of research and looking at UFOs over Pendall

685
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:07,239
Hill and looking in particular at lay
lines. Believe it or not. Oh

686
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:12,039
yeah, I actually actually plotted I
found a plot of a layline which went

687
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,000
sort of west to east or east
to west, whichever whichever way you're looking

688
00:50:15,039 --> 00:50:19,239
at it. But it went through
Pendall Hill, it went through men With

689
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:27,159
Hill, the air base there,
and it intersected the northeast coast up around

690
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,480
the Whitby area, which of course
is in a million miles away from where

691
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:34,360
Paul Sinclaire does a lot of you
know, does all yeah, yeah,

692
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:38,000
poles up that way. Paul's getting
some amazing things happening. I was speaking

693
00:50:38,039 --> 00:50:43,239
to him not so long ago,
and yeah, he's he's he's seen some

694
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:47,000
great things up there. It kind
of makes you wonder if the earth energy

695
00:50:47,039 --> 00:50:52,119
thing is something to do with propulsion. Yeah, of course, yeah,

696
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:58,920
they're being yeah, they're being drawn
into these areas of maybe electro magnetism or

697
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,800
something to do with the geology of
the land or something like that. You

698
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:07,079
know. Yeah, so it is
very very interesting. Okay, so the

699
00:51:07,079 --> 00:51:13,159
book is available on Amazon. It
is want me to do the advert because

700
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,000
everybody always wants to know where I
am and what I'm up to. So

701
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:21,360
let's get the advert out the way. It's dead easy this. I'm a

702
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,880
very simple person when it comes to
media and stuff like that. I hate

703
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:29,920
doing things complicated. All the books
that I've ever released, and any DVDs

704
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:34,480
that might still survive out there because
there'll be secondhand copies. Everything is on

705
00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:37,480
Amazon. So literally, just go
and find it, pay for it,

706
00:51:37,559 --> 00:51:40,119
click, you know, a couple
of days later it comes to within through

707
00:51:40,159 --> 00:51:45,199
your door. It's all out there
on Amazon. So even the older books

708
00:51:45,199 --> 00:51:46,719
that I did in the nineteen nineties, you can still get them. They're

709
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:51,440
still available. Everything's on Amazon.
Just type me naming, you know.

710
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,960
Hopefully they'll all come up. If
anybody wants to see what I've done production

711
00:51:55,119 --> 00:52:00,960
wise, go on to YouTube.
There's a company called Drake Michigan, and

712
00:52:01,079 --> 00:52:05,400
they've put everything up for me in
the last twelve months. So all Lost

713
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,800
Treasures are up there, all twenty
two episodes. There's at least six documentaries

714
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:14,599
plus extras, just everything, all
the back catalog, all the documentaries I've

715
00:52:14,599 --> 00:52:19,280
produced right up to twenty nineteen.
Everything's out there, so you'll find it.

716
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,840
Just if it doesn't come up immediately
persevere. But it's out there.

717
00:52:22,519 --> 00:52:25,800
And then if anyone wants to contact
me, it's Facebook. I hate to

718
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,719
say it, but it is.
Come and find me. Send me your

719
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,519
friend request. As long as your
name's not Fifi trixa bell with a butterfly

720
00:52:32,599 --> 00:52:37,599
and a rainbow, you know,
and dozens of fake photos, in which

721
00:52:37,599 --> 00:52:39,239
case you've had it, I'm not
going to friend you. As long as

722
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:43,119
you're a real person, I'll friend
you, or just talk to me a

723
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,159
Messenger. Yeah, you know,
you can get me on Messenger, and

724
00:52:45,199 --> 00:52:46,920
then if you on a book me
or anything like that, you know,

725
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:51,719
we can take it a step further
and I'll send you the details for that

726
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:57,159
but that's where I am dead easy. So it's either Amazon, YouTube or

727
00:52:57,199 --> 00:53:00,880
Facebook. There we go. Excellent, that's brilliant. Have you got anything

728
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:05,119
in the pipeline, any plans for
the future? Well, yeah, I

729
00:53:05,119 --> 00:53:08,000
suppose. So I have leaked the
fact that I have been working on a

730
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:14,880
couple of books to come out next. One of them is something that's frustrated

731
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:19,880
me for years, and I'm kind
of working towards a book of magic,

732
00:53:20,599 --> 00:53:23,960
but magic that works, you know, like you open your eyes first thing

733
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,159
in the morning and it's like,
okay, what do I do now?

734
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,960
Well, you're not going to go
you know, dressing up in robes and

735
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:34,000
casting big fancy circles and you know, sacrificing a squirrel. You know,

736
00:53:34,039 --> 00:53:35,920
you're not going to be doing all
this thing when you get up in the

737
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:40,119
morning. What do you do to
make life magical? You know that has

738
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:45,800
deep spiritual meaning and can actually work. Because I'm a very you know,

739
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:47,320
and you probably gathered I'm a shoot, it's a duck man, you know

740
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:52,639
what I mean. It's got to
be working or not. So that goes

741
00:53:52,679 --> 00:53:54,920
all the way back to stuff that
I learned way back in the nineteen seventies,

742
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:59,599
and that and then when I did
the King Arthur book, The Polychronicon

743
00:53:59,679 --> 00:54:05,480
of Joseph and Arthur, that took
forty five years to get that into print.

744
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:09,519
Okay, it's the best book I've
ever written. It's the best book

745
00:54:09,559 --> 00:54:14,000
in hardback that Phillip's ever published.
And that's, in his own words,

746
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,559
incredible book. So if you're into
King Arthur, go and find that.

747
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:22,039
The next one, the next one, which I started the following year,

748
00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:24,480
because I started that one in nineteen
seventy seven, nineteen seventy eight. It's

749
00:54:24,519 --> 00:54:30,320
got a working title The Keys to
the Temple, because what I wanted to

750
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:35,119
do was deconstruct all the biblical nonsense
thats out there or the clap trap,

751
00:54:35,679 --> 00:54:39,440
try and find out what extra material
does exist, include that, and then

752
00:54:39,519 --> 00:54:45,480
see how that impacted on people like
the Culdies, the early Celtic holy Men,

753
00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:49,719
you know, the Knights, Templar, the Crusaders, the Crusading orders,

754
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,760
and the Gnostics, and how that's
pushed everything to where we are now.

755
00:54:53,039 --> 00:54:58,079
But that's a huge book, enormost
book. I've done three books in

756
00:54:58,119 --> 00:55:00,360
the last eighteen months, which is
ridiculous because I normally do about one every

757
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:04,760
two or three years. So it
might be a while before I get those

758
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,519
two out, but they're in progress. Shall we say they're in production.

759
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:13,320
Then I got the conference, you
know, back out on tour again August

760
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,639
to December. I'll be doing groups
all over the place. I'll advertise that

761
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:22,119
on Facebook. And I'm doing a
gig called the Summer of Wolf in July.

762
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:27,280
I think it's on the twelfth of
July at the Tower Brewery in Burton

763
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,400
on Trent. And that's with me
rock band. You know, we're gonna

764
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:34,039
have a party. Let's have a
summer party. What's the name of your

765
00:55:34,079 --> 00:55:39,519
rock band? Wolfs lf Wolf.
That's as simple. That's why it's called

766
00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:44,480
Summer of Wolf. We every now
and again we get together. We just

767
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:45,760
get loads of musicians on stage.
We have a laugh. You know.

768
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:50,920
We're an old school It was a
high school band that I joined in nineteen

769
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:54,400
seventy six, so we've been playing
over forty years now, on and off.

770
00:55:54,559 --> 00:55:58,639
Do you do your own stuff for
it or do you do covers both?

771
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:00,480
We do mixture that, yeah.
But if people have seen us before,

772
00:56:00,559 --> 00:56:04,199
you know, which quite a few
people will have done. We changed

773
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,760
the set list every time, so
we're working on new material for this one.

774
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:13,000
Now we've got a rehearsal coming up
in feb for it, so there's

775
00:56:13,039 --> 00:56:16,199
a lot happening. There's a lot
coming up. You know. I'm going

776
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:20,800
to say when your next book,
says, when your next book comes out,

777
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:23,519
we'll have to have another chat.
Well, you could do some of

778
00:56:23,559 --> 00:56:25,840
the ones I've already done. I
mean, you've got the Arthur one,

779
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:29,800
so we could do a night on
Arthur. And then there's one called Crystal

780
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,440
Schools and Human Heads, so you
could do that. It's all about DNA

781
00:56:32,559 --> 00:56:37,559
genetics and extinct races of humans.
There's one called the Green Man, so

782
00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:42,280
you could do the green Man Life
and Times of the real Robin Hood.

783
00:56:42,519 --> 00:56:44,840
You've probably got quite a bit of
Robin Hood stuff in your neck of the

784
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:49,280
woods because he came across he came
over to Lancashire quite a bit. And

785
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,320
then the Disappearing Ninth Legion, which
is all about that legion that marched off

786
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:57,159
never to be seen again, who
incidentally might have been wiped out by the

787
00:56:57,199 --> 00:57:01,079
Brigantes in the Pennines on the land
kish Aside. All right, okay,

788
00:57:01,199 --> 00:57:05,599
so so go and have a nosey, go and see what subjects are out

789
00:57:05,599 --> 00:57:07,360
there on, you know, by
away your books and I'll go and have

790
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,360
a look at your books. I'll
make a listen what I want to talk

791
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:13,519
to you about, and I'll drop
you an email. Yeah, please do.

792
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,719
I'll definitely do this because it's been
You've been probably one of my best

793
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:20,880
guests I've ever spoken to. Mark. I've really enjoyed talking. Oh,

794
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:22,159
thank you. I'm glad we got
here in the end and you we'd get

795
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:27,760
Yeah, we did. For those
people who are watching and listening who don't

796
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:31,559
know it's a Wednesday evening, I
was convinced it was tomorrow evening we were

797
00:57:31,599 --> 00:57:36,840
doing this. Mark had come on
to the Zoom meeting and been satur here

798
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:40,199
for twenty minutes waiting for me to
turn up, and I hastily legged it

799
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:46,239
upstairs when I realized, turned everything
on and spent about ten minutes apologizing profusely

800
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:51,159
for keep. Well, I'm I'm
on a rum and chocolate and you're on

801
00:57:51,199 --> 00:57:55,519
a on a tall whiskey, so
that dad explains it all because I did

802
00:57:55,559 --> 00:57:59,360
have I've had a rubbish day and
I did have a big whiskey before I

803
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,440
came upstairs. But it's all it's
done is lubricated the old brain cells.

804
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:07,039
And I think it's been it's been
a fantastic interview. I've really enjoyed it.

805
00:58:07,039 --> 00:58:09,000
But thank you very much. Good
luck with everything you've got coming up,

806
00:58:09,199 --> 00:58:14,119
especially. I will do my best
to try and try and see if

807
00:58:14,119 --> 00:58:19,360
I can get down to Bolton to
the to the Awakening Conference Bolton Town Hall

808
00:58:19,519 --> 00:58:22,360
seventeenth to February. And the tickets
are not that expensive. Yeah, it's

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really interesting. Yeah, and I'll
pop into is it the Old Man's scythe

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and the oldest the oldest pub in
oh yeah, yeah, is it the

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one in Bolt? Is it?
Yeah? Thirteen something I seem to remember.

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Yeah, it's medieval. Yeah,
it's medieval. That's the place that

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I've been wanting to visit. So
yeah. So yeah, good luck with

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everything and we will definitely, we
will definitely get in contact and have another

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another chat about some of your books. Excellent, Thanks Mark, it's been

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an absolute pleasure, pleasure. Thank
you. Tech Care. You can visit

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my website www dot Craig Bryant dot
co dot UK. Harry will Pendle will

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return and remember to keep watching the
shadows