1 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:26,519 Please me listen another version. Please be in the center, make them busy. 2 00:00:27,039 --> 00:00:35,159 You shall get away to my not nice to you, my nothing, 3 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:48,560 my career, adoring your day day. Do think you get sold those chapter 4 00:00:48,679 --> 00:00:59,200 came by NM on your day? Tell you way up called me when shine 5 00:01:00,159 --> 00:01:23,599 to go to s This is all in the shout shet the gras of praise 6 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:36,239 from that and sha tell you that acuse Chuck famousnother person. Please make the 7 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:44,799 senter, make the busy shot. I can't wait to spend try pay nice 8 00:01:44,920 --> 00:02:00,719 to do nothing night prayer well to me, you're you be to come of 9 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:10,000 imagination. I'm bad. No, you've hold it, not to have miss 10 00:02:10,159 --> 00:02:16,919 tragic and the traffic all the massage. No, we don't have to take 11 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:35,759 that. Step in on a load in my room, shut and shed the 12 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:46,319 race off bad, tell you better scum. That's try with another versions, 13 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:57,120 Please me in the center, bakebout body, shallotak o my too nice. 14 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:14,199 You have to line up. That is romance and reality. That is the 15 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:16,960 latest single from Sepsis. We've been playing that on the show for a while. 16 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:22,919 Really really good stuff. And of course it is Saturday, June twenty 17 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,680 nine, twenty twenty four, here Matt Connorton Unleashed. We are live from 18 00:03:25,719 --> 00:03:31,560 the studios of wm NH ninety five point three FM here in glorious Manchester, 19 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:37,039 New Hampshire, of course, also streaming at wmnhradio dot org and at my 20 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,240 website Matt conorton dot com slash live. And if you are looking for the 21 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:45,240 Facebook feed this morning, if you happen to be a listening live, regretfully 22 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:49,439 there is no Facebook feed. The software is not working, so sorry about 23 00:03:49,479 --> 00:03:52,680 that. But you know, the audio quality is better if you just listen 24 00:03:52,759 --> 00:03:57,240 to the regular audio stream anyway, So or of course if you're locally, 25 00:03:57,479 --> 00:04:00,080 if you're local here in Manchester, you can listen on your radio at ninety 26 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,560 five point three FM. And of course Jenny is here with us at the 27 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:10,919 news table. And speaking of sepsis, we happened to have three members of 28 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:15,280 Stepsis here with us live in studio. William, Melissa and Zachie b are 29 00:04:15,319 --> 00:04:18,399 all here. Welcome, Hey, Hello, good morning, and welcome to 30 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:23,319 the new studio here. You all haven't been here since we moved. I 31 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:29,920 am taking in, I'm basking in the yon beyond. It is absolutely gorgeous, 32 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,199 isn't it nice? This is a major upgrade. This is so much 33 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,519 nice there, and I don't it's crazy because I didn't want to say that 34 00:04:35,639 --> 00:04:39,600 going in because I didn't know like what the deal was with you guys, 35 00:04:40,399 --> 00:04:43,639 you know, departing that the other place was nice too. Yeah, this 36 00:04:43,959 --> 00:04:47,199 is this is this is great. Our own building, our own name on 37 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,720 the building. We're not hidden on a third floor somewhere. And that's what 38 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:55,079 I was going to say. I usually get more exercise when I come and 39 00:04:55,199 --> 00:04:59,879 visit you guys. Yeah, the old place, you would you would never 40 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:01,519 even know that there was a radio station up there. There was nothing on 41 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:05,000 the outside of the building that would indicate that there was anything right that. 42 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:13,240 The facade is great. You're right across the street from Premiere Manchester Live Music 43 00:05:13,519 --> 00:05:15,680 Duel. Ye. Yeah, and that's a very important place, isn't it. 44 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,959 I just think it's location wise, it's great. I love that you 45 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:24,160 can just walk right down there. I love than you guys are even closer 46 00:05:24,199 --> 00:05:27,480 to where I live now because I'm right next to CMC, so I'm like, 47 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,439 oh wow, like I can see them from my house. It's awesome. 48 00:05:30,639 --> 00:05:33,480 Yeah. Yeah, And like for us, like when we play Manchester, 49 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:38,600 we played Jewel yeah, yeap. So when we play our hometown, 50 00:05:38,879 --> 00:05:42,120 we play our hometown venue and then you guys are right across the street. 51 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,959 Yeah, yes, literally, jewel is important because I mean, we all 52 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,920 know what's coming up. That's right, Army, that's right, that's right. 53 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:54,079 No, we're doing we're doing two stages this year, and we should. 54 00:05:55,399 --> 00:05:58,680 We did two stages last year, and I was terrified because you know, 55 00:05:58,759 --> 00:06:01,199 I've never done it before. Yeah, anytime I'm doing something I've never 56 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,560 done before. See, I wasn't terrified because I knew NH Booking had done 57 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:08,519 festivals with two stages before, so I was like, yeah, I kind 58 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:10,800 of get the idea of how they run things like this. Yeah. Yeah, 59 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,240 Richie told me not to be terrified, but I still, you know, 60 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:15,959 I don't blame you something I do. I don't blame you at all. 61 00:06:17,199 --> 00:06:23,759 Terrified with one stage event coordinating, it's not like being in a band, 62 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,199 you know, it's being in a band is not there's not so much 63 00:06:27,319 --> 00:06:31,160 people pleasing, but that there is an event coordinating. Yeah. I mean, 64 00:06:31,199 --> 00:06:34,279 you got the guests, but you got the bands and all the all 65 00:06:34,319 --> 00:06:43,120 the bands come with their own personalities and their own requirements and if you're coordinating 66 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,920 the event that the thing you really want to have happened is everybody to leave 67 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,519 that night and want to do it again. Exactly. Yeah, that's so 68 00:06:49,759 --> 00:06:54,000 hard to do, you know, exactly. That's a good way of putting 69 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:58,120 it. Yeah, and when is it for our listeners who who don't know? 70 00:06:58,759 --> 00:07:05,240 So for the tradition where we're continuing to do the first Saturday of November, 71 00:07:05,439 --> 00:07:10,519 so this year it'll be on the second. So I'm going to try 72 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,800 to keep that tradition. But we really want to stay away from the Halloween 73 00:07:13,879 --> 00:07:17,439 shows. Yeah, because you get that that cluster of Halloween shows. Yeah 74 00:07:18,199 --> 00:07:21,079 right, Yeah, that's two type of show steps. It doesn't do is 75 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:27,680 Halloween shows are Saint Patrick's Day. So we're trying to keep it more closer 76 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,040 to Thanksgiving, you know, Thanksgiving show. Sure on my calendar. On 77 00:07:31,199 --> 00:07:36,759 my calendar it says Swarmy fest Day. I love that. Yeah, I 78 00:07:36,879 --> 00:07:42,160 love it. So. Uh Now who's going to be playing this year? 79 00:07:42,199 --> 00:07:45,199 And are you still adding to it? Yeah? I can't tell. And 80 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,959 and that's that's because this year we're going to do like a band a week, 81 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:56,120 So it starts next month us and in h booking will probably release a 82 00:07:56,199 --> 00:08:01,240 band a week, so each week heading towards Army Fest, we'll have bands 83 00:08:01,399 --> 00:08:05,199 to learn about. As it goes like that, every band will have their 84 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:09,040 own flyer, every band will have their own We're gonna try to We're gonna 85 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:13,639 try to, you know, do really well with the images and the artwork 86 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,959 this year. And so when will that When will that start? When you 87 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:22,439 when you release the name of I would love I would love it to start 88 00:08:22,519 --> 00:08:26,959 at the beginning of July. But we got this thing called rock Fest coming 89 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:33,759 up. Oh, tell us about that. So so we we have we 90 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:39,039 have a second album that we're trying to complete, we're pretty close, and 91 00:08:39,159 --> 00:08:41,559 then we have this you know, building Swarmy Fest, and then we have 92 00:08:41,759 --> 00:08:48,759 rock Fest. So but between these three priority events, it's been it's been 93 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:54,480 challenging to juggle all of them, no doubt, and and keep it balanced. 94 00:08:54,759 --> 00:08:58,399 And that comes down, Matt. It comes down to money, money 95 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,080 in pre production and planning and in quality, because it's like, if we 96 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:07,639 have the time to get something done the quality that we predict or expect or 97 00:09:07,759 --> 00:09:11,799 hope or plan it to be right, and then you have like your budget 98 00:09:11,039 --> 00:09:15,440 and like how you're going to be fiscally responsible. I don't know how the 99 00:09:15,519 --> 00:09:18,399 bands do it, but we're a business, so we have to be also 100 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:28,080 like fiscally responsible liquid and inventory, and so when we have merchandise, we're 101 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:35,600 a direct to consumer style gift shop, so we depend Some artists depend on 102 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:41,840 streaming. We depend on hats, t shirts, stickers, meeting people, 103 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:48,840 streams, broadcasts. So we're a little more touchy phely, I guess well, 104 00:09:48,879 --> 00:09:50,320 in terms of the merch I mean that is where the money is anyway, 105 00:09:50,519 --> 00:09:54,120 really, I mean, you know, for us, it's also where 106 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:58,960 the discovery is. What do you mean? We're a brand, So that's 107 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,360 that a lot of times people discover us, not through our music map, 108 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:07,320 people discover us through podcasts, live streams. A lot of times when people 109 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:11,799 ask how do we get booked for big shows or or how we're getting big 110 00:10:11,879 --> 00:10:16,360 opportunities, it's never the music. It's never the music. It's never my 111 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:20,639 guitar playing, you know, it's never songwriting. It's it's it's people. 112 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:30,519 People resonate with the message, People lock into a human wavelength, and and 113 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,440 people vote. You know, used to do politics. People vote for who 114 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:39,440 they like. You know, it doesn't you know, people don't People don't 115 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:43,559 vote for who's right or wrong. People vote for who they like. People 116 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:48,200 want, people want to feel good man, and and so we're in a 117 00:10:48,279 --> 00:10:52,360 hospitality business. We're entertaining people. We're in a business and making people feel 118 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:58,399 good, you know, keeping people informed. And we're we're a polarizing group, 119 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:03,919 so people or they don't, but that proves that we have to output. 120 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,759 So we're always we know as a band that our job is constantly looking 121 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:13,840 for our fans. So that's that's the move. And anytime that you have 122 00:11:15,159 --> 00:11:20,159 quality and you have your budget and you have the time to do it, 123 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:24,080 you have to sacrifice one. So that that's kind of the road to Swarmy 124 00:11:24,159 --> 00:11:30,519 Fest right now and releasing our next album. A lot of a lot of 125 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,559 our friends that are in bands, they've released eight albums, seven albums. 126 00:11:33,799 --> 00:11:39,399 Sure, me and Melissa didn't record and release any professional music until twenty twenty, 127 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:45,000 as you know, that was a difficult time for people to do anything. 128 00:11:46,399 --> 00:11:50,279 But we don't have we don't have albums prior to twenty twenty. So 129 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:56,120 I mean, this is our four this is our fourth year anniversary since releasing 130 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:00,519 almost eleven we've had a few singles since then, but we don't want to 131 00:12:00,519 --> 00:12:05,000 be a band with a catalog, an enormous catalog. We're great music in 132 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:09,759 the streaming world. We're great music the people could discover might get lost in 133 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,320 the sauce. Sure, So we're again like quality, timing and resources. 134 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:18,720 We're not a forever band and we're not made of money. So we want 135 00:12:18,159 --> 00:12:24,240 we want our we want our legacy to speak in terms of quality and care 136 00:12:24,519 --> 00:12:28,600 and craftsmanship, you know, and we want to resonate with the people that 137 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:35,039 really matter the most it can benefit. So Rockfest has been a tremendous undertaking 138 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:39,200 because plane tickets are staff. You just I don't know if people understand the 139 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:45,679 scope of how large these festivals are, you know, thirty fifty thousand people. 140 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,679 We're also the finale band, so we got to we got to be 141 00:12:48,759 --> 00:12:52,000 on the we got to be on the field out you know, for twelve 142 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:56,279 fourteen hours and then still be able to hang and play our set. We're 143 00:12:56,279 --> 00:13:05,519 playing an hour set. Yeah, we play. Okay, we're going to 144 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,879 be flying out there and we play as soon as Jelly Roll gets off. 145 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:16,600 Kidding. Yeah, that's a great opportunity in the sense of rock Fest. 146 00:13:16,639 --> 00:13:22,399 It's cool because we're the last metal band or rock band that you're going to 147 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:26,879 hear for the fest. Like, so as a finale band, we have 148 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:33,320 a we have a tremendous opportunity. People leave before the headliner a lot of 149 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,320 times so they can beat the traffic, sure, you know, and people 150 00:13:35,399 --> 00:13:39,759 that are there for rock and metal, if they're not there for Stepsister, 151 00:13:39,759 --> 00:13:43,879 they're going to leave before jelly Roll, you know, right, if they're 152 00:13:43,919 --> 00:13:48,919 not fans of country or jelly Roll whatever whatever, that's going to be. 153 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:54,720 So people that are like traditional hardcore and metal people, we know that if 154 00:13:54,759 --> 00:14:00,840 they stayed that they're staying to watch the set, and we plan I'm putting 155 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,600 on one hell of a show to believe me. Yeah, we've got a 156 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:09,919 whole new performance planned for this new dance moves. Yeah, we've really taken 157 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:13,759 our time to upgrade our stage package. So like we've got new gear, 158 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:20,120 new an your monitors, head brushes, all kinds of stuff. It really 159 00:14:20,159 --> 00:14:24,159 takes It really takes time, like figuring out what the tools are going to 160 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:28,720 be. The world's changed a lot, so in order to go across country 161 00:14:30,879 --> 00:14:35,440 twenty five years ago, you might have to rent big amplifiers or you know, 162 00:14:35,679 --> 00:14:39,320 to carry on bags and then you know, if you check a bag, 163 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,799 you know, hundreds of dollars to try to check in luggage. And 164 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:52,320 so luckily our band has been using technology for a while that we don't we 165 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:58,559 don't bring on big amplifiers anymore. All of our technology you can put in 166 00:14:58,639 --> 00:15:03,000 a bag, right, uh, for the drums. So but we had 167 00:15:03,039 --> 00:15:05,720 to we had you know, we had to drop ship all of our merchandise, 168 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:09,759 rent drums out there, and it's all it's difficult. You don't want 169 00:15:09,759 --> 00:15:13,519 to go to you don't want to go. I mean a lot of a 170 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:22,120 lot of bands get the opportunity to play large festivals and in their defense, 171 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:28,240 not not a lot of people have the team and the budget. That's all 172 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,840 going to come together, Like we all come together and we sit down and 173 00:15:31,919 --> 00:15:35,320 we go, you know, how can we come together and make the most 174 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:41,000 of this. So like for us, we planned for nine months. Yeah, 175 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:45,600 you know, because because we're not rich, but we plan for nine 176 00:15:45,639 --> 00:15:48,159 months. That way we can chip away at things and we can work together 177 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,399 as a team. So we go, how are we going to get this 178 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:54,919 merch table filled? You know, there's a lot of small bands like us 179 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:58,919 that might have this opportunity and it's great they play, but they have nothing 180 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,399 to leave, but they just they haven't planned how they're gonna Like for us, 181 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,399 I don't want to give all the tricks the trade, but we literally 182 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:07,600 sit down with think tanks and go, well, how are we going to 183 00:16:07,639 --> 00:16:11,480 make a connection, How are we going to make our live performance different from 184 00:16:11,519 --> 00:16:15,279 the other bands, How are we going to use the twelve hours? What 185 00:16:15,559 --> 00:16:19,440 events? What are we going to do each of us? What are we 186 00:16:19,559 --> 00:16:23,679 going to do to add value to the company. What are we going to 187 00:16:23,759 --> 00:16:27,080 do to get people in front of that stage? What's the priority list? 188 00:16:27,519 --> 00:16:30,679 And we kind of we kind of work our way down and check the boxes 189 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,240 and go what do we set out to achieve with this? Because a lot 190 00:16:34,279 --> 00:16:38,159 of people get a chance to play Swarmy Fest or a big stage or rock 191 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:42,679 fest and it's fun, right and of course making money is cool and on 192 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:48,120 all of that, but what do you set out to achieve long term? 193 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:52,399 And that's that's what's important for us. Maybe that might differ from some other 194 00:16:52,519 --> 00:16:57,399 acts, is we know we're going out there representing New Hampshire, New England, 195 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:02,639 and not a lot a not a lot of heavy metal and hard rock 196 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:07,319 bands from New Hampshire ever get this opportunity. Well, what you're talking about 197 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:11,599 too requires I mean there's a degree of discipline to that, right, all 198 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:18,039 that planning that that not everyone. There's contracts, there's discipline, there are 199 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:22,640 rules this, you know, safety and and the thing that a lot of 200 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:30,799 independent artists don't want to talk about is investment. We invest in ourselves, 201 00:17:30,039 --> 00:17:33,839 not and not just money the time. Yeah, Melissa spoke on it earlier. 202 00:17:33,839 --> 00:17:37,160 I mean, we don't just sit around. In practice, we're rehearsing 203 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:41,039 for this thing. You know. We take each show in each stage as 204 00:17:41,079 --> 00:17:47,960 a special case. We're looking at blueprints, we're looking at stage plots, 205 00:17:48,039 --> 00:17:53,000 and we're trying to make each each show and each experience unique. Have you 206 00:17:53,039 --> 00:17:56,599 always approached it that way or is that something you kind of had to develop 207 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:03,799 over time? Meliss So, I would say that was something that we've always 208 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:08,920 done. We've always tried, we've tried to stage performance. In the early 209 00:18:10,039 --> 00:18:14,920 days, people used to say we were like a it's kind of funny, 210 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,400 it's like a compliment now, but they used to say we sounded like a 211 00:18:18,079 --> 00:18:23,279 like a like a wasps nest, like a shaken up bag of b We 212 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:26,119 had this great idea, but it was kind of all over the place, 213 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,519 you know, earlier in the scene, we were kind of known for being 214 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:34,680 zigging and zagging. But we've got such an incredible team in lineup right now. 215 00:18:34,759 --> 00:18:40,880 This is the first time we've worked with musicians in the band that me 216 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:45,599 and Melissa didn't have to train. Oh interesting. Yeah. So, and 217 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:49,240 of course, my brother Salvato our pants back on drums. He's a legacy 218 00:18:49,319 --> 00:18:56,920 members. He's the longest member of Sebsant ever. So so we're back with 219 00:18:56,039 --> 00:19:03,440 our original drummer, and we have a a whole new staff and revitalized, 220 00:19:03,839 --> 00:19:11,559 re energized group. And this is the first time we're working with musicians and 221 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:17,480 instrumentalists and staff members that are familiar with the project and want to be here 222 00:19:17,799 --> 00:19:22,640 and and that are benefiting from the full features of the project. And this 223 00:19:22,839 --> 00:19:27,079 is the first this is the first group of people we've worked with professionally that 224 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,000 I didn't have to train myself. Now, what do you mean when you 225 00:19:30,079 --> 00:19:33,839 say when you say trained like that, like either trained, I mean you 226 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,200 don't mean literally teach someone to play, I mean literally teach people how to 227 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:42,200 play instruments. Of course, Yeah, that's and that's that's that's not that's 228 00:19:42,279 --> 00:19:45,039 not a knock, you know what I mean. We've had a lot of 229 00:19:45,079 --> 00:19:51,519 people that have been really positive contributors to the project. But in their defense, 230 00:19:51,599 --> 00:19:55,319 this music is really unique and when you listen to it, it sounds 231 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,680 like something everybody should be able to play, and that we designed it like 232 00:19:57,759 --> 00:20:03,640 that. Yeah, we designed the music so so it sounds like it should 233 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,680 be easy to play. Well, some some of those guitar solos you play 234 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:12,640 do not sound easy to be but instrumentalist. And maybe I'm wrong, but 235 00:20:15,279 --> 00:20:17,640 we've had a lot of people pick up the sticks or try to pick up 236 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:18,880 a guitar. Let me get it, let me get a shot at that 237 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,519 riff, and then get to work and around it. And and it's one 238 00:20:22,559 --> 00:20:26,319 thing even if you work it out by yourself, but getting five or six 239 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,480 people in the room and everybody doing it together and having it all work out 240 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:36,200 is really ambitious. So yeah, man, I've had to teach people how 241 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,799 to play instruments, but I've also had to teach them how to play sepsis 242 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,640 because it's not just like playing guitar, it's like playing stepsis. It's a 243 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:47,720 whole another monster on its own. Yeah, it really is it really is? 244 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:52,119 Hey, I want to ask you all about streaming. Yeah, you 245 00:20:52,279 --> 00:20:56,319 mentioned it, and and you you've posted a lot I've seen individually and as 246 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,680 a band. You just actually really over the last couple of years, I've 247 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,799 seen lot about I think you did you pull everything from like that you out 248 00:21:02,839 --> 00:21:07,559 on Spotify and all that. So I'm really curious about this. So yeah, 249 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,920 that's you know that, that is a great question, because they're not. 250 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,799 I think you hear that a lot for effect. You hear a lot 251 00:21:15,039 --> 00:21:19,279 of people doing that for good stories. Now we're pulling from Spotify, and 252 00:21:19,319 --> 00:21:25,079 the only reason why we haven't, the only reason why we haven't is because 253 00:21:26,279 --> 00:21:30,319 our first album, we signed a record deal right up. You know we 254 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,480 were oh yeah, I remember you talking about this. So you know, 255 00:21:33,599 --> 00:21:36,640 me and Melissa, we are excited just like any other artists, you know, 256 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,759 and you know, we had A and r's all over us when we 257 00:21:40,839 --> 00:21:42,200 came out with our first music. When we you know, when we hooked 258 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:48,400 up with Glenn Robinson and our lives started to change. We could hear our 259 00:21:48,519 --> 00:21:52,880 music for the first time. Yeah, we started making and once you hear 260 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,480 your music, you start making it differently. We started writing it now as 261 00:21:56,559 --> 00:21:57,640 much we can hear it, we could organize it and make it differently, 262 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,440 and then we just got a lot of A and r's and record labels, 263 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,079 and it's just like, just like they tell you not to do it, 264 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:08,279 we did it, you know, just like to just tell you not to 265 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:15,839 be naive, you know, give yourself time before we we make the music, 266 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,319 us as artists, and then as soon as the music's done, but 267 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:22,200 waiting for somebody to validate us, right, you know, exactly, waiting 268 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,400 for somebody to off. You know, you put all of your life into 269 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,319 it. You've practiced, you've invested, you went broke, you almost got 270 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,319 evicted, and then as soon as the music's done, as soon as we're 271 00:22:30,319 --> 00:22:33,599 getting out of the studio, we run out and give it away. This 272 00:22:33,799 --> 00:22:37,440 is why Lexi doesn't allow me on the merch table, because I'll get I'll 273 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,319 give because I want people to wear the shirts, I want people to wear 274 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,359 the hats. I want to give it all away because because Meme Molests are 275 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:51,839 sad artists that love making music. You know, we want to get our 276 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,440 name and we want to be your friend. We want you know, and 277 00:22:53,519 --> 00:22:56,160 we want to do We want to play on stage. Isn't that silly? 278 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:00,759 But but like but that's you know, so memealss sincez that we're doing this 279 00:23:00,839 --> 00:23:03,240 a lot of time. You know, it's it's sad, but because we 280 00:23:03,519 --> 00:23:07,200 like it and we're having fun, and this is this is really a family 281 00:23:07,319 --> 00:23:11,119 for us. This is really we're really best friends in this band. So 282 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,359 this is our time we can sneak away and be with each other and and 283 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,160 you know, and be human and enjoy and live fully. This is this 284 00:23:18,319 --> 00:23:22,440 is how this is how we live fully, you know, by seeing people 285 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:30,079 get sober through our music and people to survive with our music, and people 286 00:23:30,079 --> 00:23:34,079 have grown up with our music now. So you know, we signed the 287 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:38,759 record deal and I people say, you know, you should sign it. 288 00:23:38,799 --> 00:23:42,640 You should talk with a lawyer, you know when you when when you sign 289 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:47,160 a record deal. And I did, and my lawyer told me, don't 290 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,319 sign a record deal and I and I didn't listen to my like, I 291 00:23:49,319 --> 00:23:52,519 didn't listen to my lawyer, you know. So people tell you to do 292 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:57,839 these things, and I did these things and I ignored everybody and me and 293 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:03,000 then and then and then me and Moliss just signed the contract and and then 294 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,799 that was that and we're still to this day. It's funny. We're making 295 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:11,359 CDs for for rock Fest and I've been fighting with my record label forever. 296 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:17,519 They can't stand me. But so so you're still you're just to be clear, 297 00:24:17,599 --> 00:24:21,920 you're you're still locked into that. Oh absolutely, really that is yeah, 298 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,720 that is a very real thing. Okay, yeah, Sony orchard Ord 299 00:24:26,839 --> 00:24:30,519 Okay, oh yeah. But but it's not the it's not their fault because 300 00:24:30,519 --> 00:24:37,440 all of these are acquisitional like companies, you know, like like it's like 301 00:24:37,559 --> 00:24:41,519 Sony doesn't sign people, they just acquire companies, right, you know what 302 00:24:41,599 --> 00:24:51,599 I mean? And yes, the music industry is an acquisitional you understand this. 303 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,200 But when I tell my friend this, they think I'm they think I'm 304 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,920 making they think I'm making stuff up. Now, I taught myself there that 305 00:24:57,039 --> 00:25:00,640 they think I'm making stuff up. But so you understand it. No one's 306 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,799 ever looked at me in the last year and said, oh I get that. 307 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:07,400 Yeah, uh well you just threw me off there. But there's a 308 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,279 lot of uh consolidation, that's the word I was looking for it. And 309 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:17,680 all the artists and and all the the labels, they're all still even though 310 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,000 we all know it's kind of silly. They're all still counting and playing off 311 00:25:21,079 --> 00:25:25,079 the mystique. Sure, you know the magic and mystique. Everybody goes, 312 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:26,640 well, how did you get signed? I was just in the right place, 313 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,519 in the right time, and I played the right chord, and Melissa 314 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,000 came out and the wind blew and then you know, a record company scout 315 00:25:33,039 --> 00:25:37,880 happened to walk in offered you a ten album out to l A and right. 316 00:25:38,039 --> 00:25:41,400 No, we were taking we were taking good pictures. We have strong 317 00:25:41,559 --> 00:25:47,880 social media. We got a great producer, h Melissa is a killer host 318 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:52,599 of the page, and and and and people can see that we're willing to 319 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:59,480 invest in ourselves. We're in A and R's dream because yeah, because that's 320 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,039 what labels want. Now, you know, they don't want it. They 321 00:26:02,079 --> 00:26:03,720 don't want to do the A and R. They want that already done. 322 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:08,319 Yep, all set. We're a perfect target. Yep, yep, we're 323 00:26:08,319 --> 00:26:12,640 a perfect tuity. These guys, these guys work hard and and we really 324 00:26:12,799 --> 00:26:15,759 want it. You know, if you if you go and you approach them 325 00:26:15,839 --> 00:26:21,440 kids, eighteen nineteen year old kids, they might change their mind. You 326 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:22,839 know, they might get a girlfriend, right, stuff like that, right, 327 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:27,359 you know, folks like us. We're perfect because they go. You 328 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,440 know, these guys know how to pay their bills. These guys are fiscally 329 00:26:30,519 --> 00:26:34,680 responsible. You know, they can play their instruments. We've made mistakes, 330 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:41,240 but not not, not many of us have made the mistake. And they're 331 00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:44,759 all waiting for that. They're all going to get you. All of all 332 00:26:44,839 --> 00:26:49,680 of our all of our friends and our deepest closest celebrities in contacts in the 333 00:26:49,799 --> 00:26:53,720 industry. It's all happened to them too. We're just the only band that 334 00:26:53,759 --> 00:26:57,319 talks about it. We're the only ones. There's no there's nobody that talks 335 00:26:57,319 --> 00:27:03,799 about it. It's it's a very because it's embarrassing. It's embarrassing to get 336 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:08,000 taken because because we're counting on the mystique being tough rock stars, we're brilliant. 337 00:27:08,039 --> 00:27:11,839 Nobody can take advantage of us. And you know, we're such experts, 338 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:18,400 right and and it and it kills artists to go I'm not an expert. 339 00:27:18,079 --> 00:27:22,240 I'm ambitious. I developed my identity when I was a child, and 340 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,680 I and I and I want to be like the guys that I saw on 341 00:27:26,839 --> 00:27:30,720 my wall and on the posters. And that's and it's harder than ever to 342 00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:33,519 do that, right, because in the social media era, it's you know, 343 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:38,759 whatever mystique you can you know, managed to have, it's harder than 344 00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:41,559 ever to hang on to that. The low is lower and the high is 345 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:47,160 higher, so the career climb and whatever. You know. We live in 346 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:51,759 a society now too that like whatever you whatever you're not driven to do, 347 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:56,240 and whatever you haven't honed the talent for you're you're encouraged to buy it. 348 00:27:57,079 --> 00:28:02,880 Everybody's the DJ, everybody body is a model, everybody's you know, So 349 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,440 we're in we're in that time now where uh, content creation is one of 350 00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:15,400 the fastest growing industries planet on the planet. So that's why I meant it 351 00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:21,559 earlier when I when people say, how did we get to open up for 352 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:27,160 Jelly Roll at Rockfest by going live on Facebook? Man? How did I 353 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:33,720 get a record deal by by having great social media and Melissa kicking butt? 354 00:28:33,839 --> 00:28:37,559 You know? Yep? But that I mean that that's how we're It's not 355 00:28:37,559 --> 00:28:41,759 because the guitar, yeah, you know, it's never it's not the music, 356 00:28:42,599 --> 00:28:45,839 but you still need the music. Well, I mean, I mean, 357 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,240 if you're a conduit, I mean, if you if you do everything 358 00:28:48,279 --> 00:28:52,359 else. But what you put out isn't of quality. Of course you're not 359 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,799 gonna be able to keep people. So this is we're We're not a viral 360 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,680 band. You know, we were talking about the career climb. We're along 361 00:28:59,759 --> 00:29:03,960 jet banned. That's what I meant about not having fifteen albums a marathon, 362 00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:06,960 not a sprint. For us. It is for us. It is we 363 00:29:07,079 --> 00:29:11,359 waited our whole lives to be adults. We also make adult music, and 364 00:29:11,559 --> 00:29:15,359 a lot of people are catering to a younger crowd, to kids and child 365 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:22,359 format entertainment. Me and Melissa are you know, we do the adult thing, 366 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:27,960 So we make music for adults. Our music is adult themed. Some 367 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,359 kids like our music, but our music is our demograph is for grown people 368 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:40,559 with bills and boyfriends and girlfriends, relationships. And you know people that my 369 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,680 dad's a big fan. By the way, are you serious? Yeah? 370 00:29:42,759 --> 00:29:45,440 Yeah, But my dad is unique. So my dad, he's in his 371 00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:51,039 seventies, but he's never been He's he's highly unusual in the sense that he 372 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,519 loves hearing new music. He lives on the sea coast, so he listens 373 00:29:53,559 --> 00:29:57,240 to double Oh my Goodness, he listens to w U n H. The 374 00:29:57,319 --> 00:30:02,160 great college wow, because he he's he's he's never been like, you wouldn't 375 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,759 get in a car with my dad and your oldies on the radio. It 376 00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:07,559 wouldn't happen. That's a great station. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, 377 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,200 I grew up listening to that. Yeah, oh yeah, college radio is 378 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,079 wonderful. But my dad, yeah, he's always been like he's sipper than 379 00:30:14,119 --> 00:30:17,480 me actually, Like he'll ask me about artists that I'm not even familiar with. 380 00:30:17,559 --> 00:30:19,039 I'm like, no, I don't know them. But yeah, he's 381 00:30:19,119 --> 00:30:22,519 always he's always been like that. But but he's a big fan of Sepsis. 382 00:30:22,519 --> 00:30:27,039 See, he's not crazy about the name full disclosure, but he's not 383 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,200 the name that I forget how he said it, it was funny. But 384 00:30:30,359 --> 00:30:34,000 he loves your music. That's awesome. Yeah, yeah, I appreciate that. 385 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,359 And you know I don't I don't hold anybody, but that doesn't hurt 386 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,960 our feelings because I'll tell you now more than ever. You know, as 387 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,920 you as you get older, you know, you start thinking about all the 388 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,599 band names that you that you loved growing you know, growing up. Yeah, 389 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,799 you know I loved you know, Cannibal Corps and yeah, you know 390 00:30:52,839 --> 00:30:56,119 you got butcher babies and now you know, now a middle aged guy, 391 00:30:56,119 --> 00:31:00,319 I'm going you know this is crazy. Yeah, sepsis and butcher babies and 392 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:07,440 thrat. You know when we mean the name of the band, we didn't 393 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,240 name We didn't really name it after the medical term meaningless that didn't know any 394 00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:14,759 better. You know. We just like, let's name the band something cool. 395 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,000 Yeah, you know, and let's make sure that we can have it 396 00:31:18,119 --> 00:31:21,880 on Google. That was our big thing. Oh yeah, really mean anything? 397 00:31:22,119 --> 00:31:27,480 Yeah? Yeah right. I just thought it sounded dangerous and later on 398 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:32,400 we found out all the all the things that happen when you grow up. 399 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:38,640 Yeah. But yeah, so so Spotify, So are you still there or 400 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,799 did you pull So I'm sorry about that. That's such a crazy thing. 401 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,640 So I would, you know, I would love to. I would love 402 00:31:48,759 --> 00:31:52,039 to pull our music off of Spotify and do a massive press release. I 403 00:31:52,079 --> 00:31:55,279 would. I think that would be so much fun. Oh so you haven't 404 00:31:55,319 --> 00:31:57,480 pulled it? Yeah? No, And I and I would like to, 405 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,880 but there would be no reason for us to do it now because our contract 406 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:07,240 with our record label is so I can only pull down my own music, 407 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,400 and then my record label would give me the finger, you know, and 408 00:32:10,559 --> 00:32:15,319 say, well, you can't pull ours, and I was I was making 409 00:32:15,359 --> 00:32:21,000 a joke because we're wild and rebellious and lawless heavy metal band. I'm always 410 00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:23,200 breaking rules. So you know, I'm not supposed to make the record label 411 00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:28,799 mad, but we know we're going to rock Fest and I'm not supposed to 412 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,319 really go through anybody else, know for direct to consumer products. So I'm 413 00:32:32,359 --> 00:32:35,759 like, I'm gonna back door these dudes. Man, go make my own 414 00:32:35,839 --> 00:32:37,880 CDs. And you know, we went to we went to one of our 415 00:32:38,319 --> 00:32:44,640 partners and we started to generate the CDs and immediately, you know, immediately 416 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:51,480 we got cont Immediately the paperwork came through and we got copyrighted. Yes, 417 00:32:51,599 --> 00:32:55,000 So I mean this is like yesterday. We're like, oh, they're never 418 00:32:55,079 --> 00:32:59,440 going to see it, like we're moving it around. And that's how that 419 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:04,599 that's how strong the technology was. Like we got an email with less than 420 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:10,319 twelve hours of them going your record labels complaining and we're gonna need written permissions 421 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,319 and all that. I said, Man, this man, forget it. 422 00:33:13,839 --> 00:33:15,759 So we got we got we got another year with those with these guys and 423 00:33:15,839 --> 00:33:20,480 then it is one of us. They only thousands of dollars. Really yeah, 424 00:33:20,559 --> 00:33:22,680 of course that you hear that. You've heard that. You know when 425 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:28,240 you say to you like the bands and the the you know TLC said it, 426 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,960 and oh Bobby Brown said it. You can Flipknot said it. You 427 00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:36,359 can have a multi platinum album and be broke. Absolutely, yes, man, 428 00:33:36,519 --> 00:33:39,799 it's it's not an unusual story. This is a wild thing. No. 429 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,720 They took they took all of our money, man. Yeah. And 430 00:33:43,799 --> 00:33:45,799 then I confronted them and I said, you know, you're stealing my money, 431 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:51,000 and they said, well, we're going to continue to do it. 432 00:33:52,119 --> 00:33:57,359 Cause if you're if you're if you're already wealthy, you you can hire uh 433 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,640 an accounting firm or a lawyer to do an got it. But but when 434 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:05,480 you're not already wealthy, they know they've they've got you. And and remember 435 00:34:05,559 --> 00:34:09,719 what I said about acquisitional companies. So what they do, okay, what 436 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:16,800 record labels do is they acquire a whole bunch of promising, smaller artists and 437 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:22,039 then they have their boutique or white glove artists. Yeah okay, and and 438 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:27,719 they sign all of us, not because we're terrible, because we're really good. 439 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:35,000 You can't really sign terrible people because you need people to go forward through 440 00:34:35,079 --> 00:34:37,199 the process. And the only type of people that are going to go forward 441 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:45,719 and complete the signing process are driven people like Melissa right right. So they 442 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:52,000 need people who are willing to commit and that are good because people that don't 443 00:34:52,039 --> 00:34:55,760 believe they're good, people that don't believe they deserve a shot, aren't going 444 00:34:55,800 --> 00:35:00,079 to go and complete the process because the process is hot to get a record 445 00:35:00,159 --> 00:35:05,800 deal. So only driven people that I mean, you find somebody in their 446 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,760 thirties that have been practicing their whole life, They've invested their whole life. 447 00:35:08,199 --> 00:35:12,480 You know, they got great music, they got a great they start asking 448 00:35:12,559 --> 00:35:15,519 themselves, well, why shouldn't I be signed? This type of mentality is 449 00:35:15,559 --> 00:35:21,360 what A and r's look for. And what happens is is they acquire a 450 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,199 whole bunch and then they throw it at the wall to see what sticks right, 451 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:32,159 but most of them and there's only there's only a limited amount of people 452 00:35:32,559 --> 00:35:36,719 that are allowed to be successful at the top at any given time. So 453 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,800 there's only a limited amount of people at the top that have the success model 454 00:35:40,039 --> 00:35:45,599 that we're all willing to learn from. So what happens is is they acquire 455 00:35:45,679 --> 00:35:51,079 a bunch of smaller, really good artists, and they keep them below aligned. 456 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:57,559 And the reason why is if they if we're not making enough, all 457 00:35:57,639 --> 00:36:00,639 right, or if they can claim that let's say there's a lot of returns, 458 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:07,519 or they can claim that, okay, then then they're always counting on 459 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:14,960 us not making enough to go to court and litigate. They're trying to rip 460 00:36:15,039 --> 00:36:20,599 you off just enough where me and Melissa aren't going to spend ten grand and 461 00:36:20,679 --> 00:36:24,320 fly to Chicago and sit in a crimem right exactly. So I mean, 462 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:29,199 if we were litigating tens of thousands of dollars, then I can get on. 463 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,360 Then I can get an entertainment lawyer, and we could throw punches. 464 00:36:32,039 --> 00:36:37,039 But if they're doing nickel dime nickel dime exactly, And if you have three 465 00:36:37,199 --> 00:36:43,719 hundred artists on your label and they're only making three hundred dollars a quarter, 466 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:50,519 but you have three hundred artists acquisitionally each quarter you're pulling in half a million. 467 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,000 But none of the small artists are realizing they're part of this half a 468 00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:58,159 million pool, right right? So like, oh, do you want to 469 00:36:58,199 --> 00:37:00,440 take them to court? Melissa? Oh my no, well this quarter they 470 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:05,119 only got us for two fifty, Yes, but they got three hundred other 471 00:37:05,199 --> 00:37:08,920 bands for two fifty during that quarter, four quarters in an entertainment season, 472 00:37:10,199 --> 00:37:14,840 and for all that, you're you're at their mercy to the point where a 473 00:37:15,079 --> 00:37:19,639 very common horror story in the music industry is that, you know, you 474 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,280 record an album for them and they decide to shelve it. Yep, you 475 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:27,519 do all that and you don't have the rights to your masters, and they 476 00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:29,679 just say, no, we've decided we're not going to release it, or 477 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,880 maybe we'll release it in the future. And it's like, and we tested 478 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:37,119 them on this theory when we came out with the song you already Know. 479 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:42,639 It wasn't really it was more like a rhetorical that we wanted to test the 480 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,239 company to see what they would do. Really we predicted that we well, 481 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,440 yeah, we started to say, okay, these guys are shelfing us. 482 00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:53,159 Let's throw them another single and see if they ask for money. Yeah, 483 00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:58,280 you know, so we use you already know as a single, and we 484 00:37:58,599 --> 00:38:00,800 set up a booby trap to see how they were to see if we could 485 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:05,119 confirm that they were shelfing us. Yeah, and they yeah, they and 486 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,480 they one hundred percent, you know, they wouldn't release that they wouldn't release 487 00:38:08,519 --> 00:38:13,480 the single. They didn't want, so they didn't want They only wanted the 488 00:38:13,559 --> 00:38:19,119 song under the condition that we released it after they were done promoting their boutique 489 00:38:19,199 --> 00:38:23,400 artists. Okay, yeah, because obviously it came out. I thought that 490 00:38:23,519 --> 00:38:28,599 they were taking all of our money and pushing this boutique artist. I'm not 491 00:38:28,639 --> 00:38:30,360 going to say the name because I think it would be unfair. I don't 492 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,400 even think they know what's happening. Yeah, yeah, so I think they 493 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,440 were taking, you know, two hundred of us. They were taking our 494 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,119 money acquisitionally, and they were pumping it into this to the to their white 495 00:38:40,159 --> 00:38:45,559 Glove boutique bands. Yeah. They didn't like the timing, so they didn't 496 00:38:45,559 --> 00:38:46,920 so and I saw them doing this, so I said, man, let's 497 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,599 go to the studio, make a song real quick and see how they react 498 00:38:50,679 --> 00:38:52,079 to it. I say, we'll do the best we can on it, 499 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,400 yeah, you know, like sonically, yeah, like we'll bring it up 500 00:38:55,400 --> 00:39:00,159 to radio threshold. Will well, we'll hit notes like let's let's just see 501 00:39:00,199 --> 00:39:04,239 what they say, you know. And and of course when they when they 502 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,440 got the track, they made every excuse for us to go back to the 503 00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:09,920 studio for us. They started playing games and trying to redirect us to the 504 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:14,639 studio to buy time, you know what I mean. So we played it 505 00:39:14,679 --> 00:39:17,719 with them for a while and just proved it just you know, just proves 506 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,920 that you've got to find the beauty and everything. And if if it wasn't 507 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:28,159 for this relationship, I would not have been able to run competitive campaigns against 508 00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:31,960 my own record label. Like in in the process, I realized that steps 509 00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:37,320 is acquisitional. So just the same as these guys are doing to other people, 510 00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:42,559 we can learn the same tricks as legacy right holders and shareholders too. 511 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,360 Not everybody. We're not. They're not the only people that can play that 512 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,400 game. So you know, so our time that we've spent with our record 513 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,360 label, you know, we've been making best friends with everybody on this staff. 514 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:57,079 And you'll learn and you'll learn, So that's good. The other thing 515 00:39:57,159 --> 00:40:00,480 that people don't know about labels is that I think is in seen is they 516 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,679 actually don't mind if they sign if they sign artists and they end up losing 517 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,119 money because maybe they advance you a bunch of money, yeah, and and 518 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,920 and the whatever you record doesn't generate enough money for them to recoup the money. 519 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:15,599 The advance. They don't care because it's if it's a loss on the 520 00:40:15,679 --> 00:40:20,360 books that's actually helpful to them from an accounting standpoint in terms of taxes. 521 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,239 Yep. It's the same thing that the movie studios do. You know, 522 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,760 every every major movies studio, every year they they they've got at least a 523 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:30,440 couple of movies that bomb, that end up losing money. They don't mind. 524 00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:35,519 They don't mind at all because that's a tax rite off. So they 525 00:40:35,519 --> 00:40:39,360 don't mind losing some money. No, after every big show, there's always 526 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:44,559 you know, five or ten T shirts that we don't mind giving out. 527 00:40:44,679 --> 00:40:49,760 Yeah, I mean it's reue Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So what so 528 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,159 you're you're on that label for another year? You said another year? That's 529 00:40:52,199 --> 00:40:57,440 the It's so there will be a Spotify steps the showdown. Yeah, there 530 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,440 will be huge, guaranteed, it'll be huge. But then, so what's 531 00:41:00,519 --> 00:41:04,519 what's the motivation though to pull from Spotify? Why do you want to do 532 00:41:04,599 --> 00:41:08,239 that? Because there's because they're thieves. Yeah, because they hurt people. 533 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,400 Yeah, I don't. I don't. I don't want to hang out with 534 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:14,440 people that hurt people. Even even major artists complain that, you know, 535 00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:19,280 it's it's pennies for for you and for us. For us, it's it's 536 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,119 not it's not just what they're doing, it's what they're gonna do. What 537 00:41:22,159 --> 00:41:30,800 do you mean? Spotify is not a music company, you know, it's 538 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:38,519 a stealing company. So if you're into Marcus Aurelius, they're Confucius. They 539 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:44,360 can't be resurrected to collect royalties. Do you get what I'm saying. Yeah, 540 00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:47,400 that's why the move to audio books, that's why the Spotify will take 541 00:41:47,519 --> 00:41:52,079 whatever whatever it's not nailed down, oh, podcasts, pornography, anything, 542 00:41:52,280 --> 00:42:00,320 religion, anything, pot You got understand, Spotify is in the business of 543 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:07,960 stealing people's work and ideas and then not paying them for it. That's the 544 00:42:08,039 --> 00:42:15,199 game, right And I know it's it seems obvious, but it really is. 545 00:42:15,559 --> 00:42:20,719 It really is. Tupac can't come back to life and argue about mechanical 546 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,840 royalties. That's true. And so that's why you see your point. That's 547 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:29,840 why you see spot That's why you see spot cat Spotify moving to podcasts, 548 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:34,039 that's why you see them moving to towards audio books, because it's not about 549 00:42:34,159 --> 00:42:40,000 music. It's about owning data. It's about farming data. It's about adding 550 00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:45,800 to machine learning, and it's about being able to predict your your shopping habits. 551 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:52,920 It's not about music. It's about creating bundles that people will sign up 552 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:59,000 and do subscriptions for. And when you subscribe, they are data mining your 553 00:42:59,079 --> 00:43:04,199 demographics where you and it's the same for Netflix and grub hobby. This is 554 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,159 an app world. This is a technology world, not a music world. 555 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:12,880 So Spotify is in the tech business, not the music business. Yeah, 556 00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,880 and that's why they don't care about musicians. Yeah, they're actually I think 557 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,639 now because we we've talked about it on the show, I think for the 558 00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,760 first time, they're starting to cut a lot of people loose, like like 559 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,679 if if like if you don't have like if well, I know, for 560 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,280 one thing, they're not they're no longer paying you if you don't meet a 561 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:34,000 certain threshold. Yes, in terms of money that you've accrued for streams, 562 00:43:34,039 --> 00:43:36,719 they're just not gonna pay you at all like you have. They're they're establishing 563 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,199 thresholds. But they're also I think they've reached a point where because in theory 564 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:45,880 anybody could upload music to Spotify, but now they're starting to like artists that 565 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,199 are uploading like demo quality stuff. They're just saying, that's why I said 566 00:43:49,199 --> 00:43:52,199 the lowest, the lowest. Yeah. Yeah, they're starting to kick people 567 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:59,519 off. Yeah, and and and they're also they're also following the predictable path 568 00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:07,280 of adding tears with high fidelity audio like it's twenty twenty four. I think 569 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:12,840 that that's weird that Spotify doesn't have high quality audio. But apparently you have 570 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,039 to pay for that too. So you got to understand how ridiculous this sounds. 571 00:44:15,199 --> 00:44:20,119 Right, Like Stepsis is a band and we mix and master at the 572 00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:25,440 highest quality that technology is provided, but when you upload it to Spotify, 573 00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:30,199 they knock it down to low quality music. Can you believe that? So 574 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:34,079 this is why, this is why we wouldn't want our music on Spotify, 575 00:44:34,159 --> 00:44:38,119 because like bands like Stepsist make high quality music, right, but Spotify charges 576 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:45,039 our fans to listen to our music at high quality. That doesn't make sense. 577 00:44:45,199 --> 00:44:50,119 Our fans should be able to have the quality of the music that we 578 00:44:50,599 --> 00:44:53,880 created it at. Yeah, now is it? Is it a double edged 579 00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,440 sword? Though? If you do pull, if you do pull your music 580 00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,039 from Spotify, does that hurt you in some way to not be on Spotify? 581 00:45:00,159 --> 00:45:04,920 Not not us. No, no, we be we our band doesn't 582 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:09,639 benefit at all from streaming on Spotify. Yeah. Yeah. The big the 583 00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:15,920 big thing that that the big I guess, the big lure to Spotify when 584 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,599 when it's not we all know it's not money. When you talk to when 585 00:45:19,639 --> 00:45:22,840 you talk to even big artists, they'll tell you it's not money. The 586 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,199 thing that they'll tell you about Spotify, the big reason why we're all supposed 587 00:45:25,199 --> 00:45:30,239 to be excited to be on it is for exposure. Stepsis doesn't need that. 588 00:45:31,199 --> 00:45:37,800 Yeah, I mean it's so so. And in order to get exposure 589 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:43,639 on Spotify, you have to give them more money. Right, you have 590 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,239 to pay for our keys, you have to pay for advertising campaigns, you 591 00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:50,760 have to pay to be on these Discovery. That's payola. We all know 592 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,960 in radio that's illegal. So you're a radio guy. You know in radio 593 00:45:54,199 --> 00:45:59,760 that's illegal, it's a crime. But because it's streaming, it's not a 594 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:07,119 so we should we should clarify just for people who don't know. So payola 595 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:12,079 refers to in radio and and back in the day, you know, if 596 00:46:12,119 --> 00:46:15,639 you were a DJ, for example, somebody might might give you an envelope 597 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,880 full of money, right and say, hey, play this song for me, 598 00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,000 right basically, I mean, that's that's a little reductive the way I 599 00:46:22,039 --> 00:46:24,480 explained it, but just to give people the idea, and that's that is 600 00:46:24,559 --> 00:46:30,440 illegal. You can't. It is, and I guess I mean there's all 601 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,920 sorts of legal ways to do this as as as anything, but yeah, 602 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,760 that is illegal. Our big mission has always been a big statement, and 603 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:43,760 part of our brand has always been like fairness, man, and what we've 604 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,159 learned from the record label, and like we weren't really a band with much 605 00:46:47,199 --> 00:46:51,320 of a mission before all of this this stuff we had to work through, 606 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,800 you know. But I can pay for sure that one of our you know, 607 00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:59,400 one of our slogans is you know, fairness, you know, and 608 00:47:01,199 --> 00:47:07,280 being inclusive and mutual. And that's why we do all the podcasts, that's 609 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:15,320 why we're teaching people all the time. And people are convinced that being on 610 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:22,159 Spotify is going to get them exposed to someone, but that's not true because 611 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:30,639 subscribers that subscribe and pay for Spotify, they only listen to under fifty artists 612 00:47:30,679 --> 00:47:36,440 a month. Yeah, so this is not a This is not a device 613 00:47:36,559 --> 00:47:40,440 or a gadget or gizmo. As much as they liked you to believe it's 614 00:47:40,559 --> 00:47:45,440 not one that's invested into discovering artists. That sounds cool in a Facebook post. 615 00:47:45,559 --> 00:47:50,920 That sounds great when you're trying to sell your technology, that sounds great, 616 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,760 you know, But this is this, this idea came from the same 617 00:47:55,400 --> 00:48:04,119 guy that used to work for you know you Torrent and and bit Torrent and 618 00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:09,239 sites that that you know, these these pirate sites, Well, we're in 619 00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:15,159 the business of stealing data and media. So if you Daniel ck is the 620 00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,639 CEO of Spotify, and if you know who Daniel Eck is, you got 621 00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:22,199 to start in you torrent and you know you torrn in places like lime wire 622 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:30,480 or pate or pirate Bay were illegal websites that mastered specialized and we're experts at 623 00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:37,119 stealing data and media in movies and games and music. But that's also why 624 00:48:37,159 --> 00:48:42,000 these services exist. Like I just think about this, like Spotify exists because 625 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,559 of Napster. Yes, yes, and so and and and and when we 626 00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:51,039 talk about this in plain English, it means that we went from stealing and 627 00:48:51,159 --> 00:48:57,960 outright piracy to streaming. We're only one degree, We're only one click and 628 00:48:58,039 --> 00:49:01,880 then and in two decades, we've only moved one degree from stealing. So 629 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:06,320 when people are like, why why is Spotify a difficult place to be, 630 00:49:06,519 --> 00:49:10,400 It's because we haven't moved the needle, Matt. We're still that close to 631 00:49:10,519 --> 00:49:14,360 stealing. Now, think of in terms of this, you know, we 632 00:49:14,559 --> 00:49:19,000 just had June Juneteenth, right, think think of Think of like we think 633 00:49:19,079 --> 00:49:24,119 if we only move the needle that much in slavery, right, think if 634 00:49:24,119 --> 00:49:28,320 we move the needle only that much in women's rights. It's it's that simple, 635 00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:30,360 like, well, with women's rights, we just moved the needle back. 636 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:34,199 I hate that. I hate that, But I'm not going to do 637 00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:35,719 it to you. I'm not right, I'm not gonna do it. I 638 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:37,280 just exploded the other day on that. I'm not gonna do it. But 639 00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,280 that's separate. Yeah, we'll do that another time, right, But but 640 00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:45,280 but in the same sense, though, in the same sense, it's like 641 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,880 we haven't. I know, we're supposed to be this advanced, you know, 642 00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,760 society, and this is supposed to be you know, the land of 643 00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,239 the free and the land of opportunity, and Spotify will tell you that, 644 00:49:55,480 --> 00:50:00,199 you know, that's the big advertisement is that you know that we're going to 645 00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:06,239 get exposed and it's all this opportunity. But if you know anything about Daniel 646 00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,800 Eck and where he comes from, he comes from stealing media in music. 647 00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:13,280 And he just said recently that what you say, Zach, that the cost 648 00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:19,360 of music or the cost the cost of content creation was nearly zero. I 649 00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,079 can't believe that. I mean, this is this He said this last week 650 00:50:23,159 --> 00:50:31,760 on Twitter. He said the CEO of Spotify said the cost the he seems 651 00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:36,000 to know how much stepsist's budget is, I guess, but he said that 652 00:50:36,119 --> 00:50:40,440 the cost that musicians he doesn't play any instruments. Yeah, this isn't a 653 00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:45,079 guy that's been on stage or sings or anything. But he seems to believe 654 00:50:45,159 --> 00:50:49,599 that the cost of creating music for musicians in the modern day is zero, 655 00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:55,199 is nearly zero. He is out of his mind soenter lately. Yeah. 656 00:50:55,719 --> 00:51:00,159 So, I mean that's so. You know, years ago when they we're 657 00:51:00,199 --> 00:51:05,599 selling us this technology, it was gonna open up opportunity and musicians we're going 658 00:51:05,639 --> 00:51:09,519 to be able to help themselves paid to rent. And we don't have a 659 00:51:09,679 --> 00:51:15,880 musician's minimum wage yet and we're working on it. I think the Musician Minimum 660 00:51:15,039 --> 00:51:21,280 Wage Act is asking for a penny a stream. Well that that's a I'm 661 00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,559 not aware of this. Oh you'd love this. This is a bill right 662 00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:28,480 now, Okay, right now, there's a bill and everyone loves it. 663 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,960 It's called the Musician's Minimum Wage Act. Everyone should go look it up, 664 00:51:32,039 --> 00:51:36,280 and everyone should go sign a petition. Everyone. Oh, you got to 665 00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:37,239 get into this. Yeah, this got this, got passed me. I'm 666 00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,079 embarrassed to say that, but yeah, I'm not aware. Oh please write 667 00:51:40,119 --> 00:51:46,280 this down maybe, well it's recorded, that's true. Well, if you're 668 00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,559 at home and you're listening to this, yeah, yeah, I got to 669 00:51:49,599 --> 00:51:52,400 write this down. If you're a musician, if you're a band, look 670 00:51:52,519 --> 00:51:57,320 up. Yeah, the Musician's Minimum Wage Act. Okay, it's really cool, 671 00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,639 interesting, very interesting. It's a cool thing to get by. Yeah. 672 00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:02,119 Yeah, well, I'm glad we were able to get in all that. 673 00:52:02,199 --> 00:52:06,719 I love talking about that stuff. But as we approach the top of 674 00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,320 the hour, we should probably circle back to all the exciting things coming up. 675 00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:15,079 And well, we've got a second album coming out called Take the World 676 00:52:15,159 --> 00:52:22,000 by Swarm. Yes, and we've been releasing singles for this over time rather 677 00:52:22,119 --> 00:52:25,039 than you know, just dropping the bomb all at once. Yeah, we've 678 00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:30,840 got a new song coming out soon called The Bath Water, which is going 679 00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:36,800 to be featuring our merch girl Lexis Swarm on Screams. Excellent. We're super 680 00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,559 excited for this one. Well, we'll be making a music video for this 681 00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:43,519 as well, so cool, stay tuned for that. Yeah, our new 682 00:52:43,559 --> 00:52:46,000 guitar player, Hot Sauce drops a cool solo on it too. Okay, 683 00:52:46,639 --> 00:52:50,559 yeah, some really different, some really cool. So that'll be on the 684 00:52:50,639 --> 00:52:52,639 new Is that gonna be on the new album? Yes? Yes, And 685 00:52:52,079 --> 00:52:54,559 Romance and Reality will be on the new album as well. Okay. Cool 686 00:52:54,719 --> 00:53:06,440 Awesome rock fest we mentioned earlier July twentieth and kadat Wisconsin and Bravo Fest September 687 00:53:06,559 --> 00:53:10,320 twenty eighth at Charlie Bravo's Connecticut. It would be will also be at Hot 688 00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:19,119 Rods Spotlight Lounge in Connecticut, also on August thirty first. Okay, so 689 00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,559 that one's in Middletown. We've got a couple things. We've got a couple 690 00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:23,760 of things going on. Yeah, yeah, you're you're not a band that 691 00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:30,039 plays like tons and tons of shows and oversaturates, which I which I respect. 692 00:53:30,639 --> 00:53:34,199 We try not to do that because some some bands do. I Back 693 00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:35,920 in the day, I used to play in bands that would do that. 694 00:53:36,039 --> 00:53:37,880 You know people people won't. Well, you know what that the issue is 695 00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,679 that you keep telling the same people to come to the show. Yeah, 696 00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:45,719 and then you know it loses its sauce. Oh yeah, I want to 697 00:53:45,159 --> 00:53:49,360 give people a break. Like I don't regret it because there was a time 698 00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,119 when all I wanted to do was play. It's also a different time. 699 00:53:52,599 --> 00:53:57,239 People had time to pray back then, Like people prayed, people went to 700 00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:01,119 church, people did push ups, people played video games all weekend. People 701 00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,880 made love, people went out to dance. People don't have time for that 702 00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,239 anymore. You got to look at your algorithm and then go boost. You 703 00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:13,599 got to boost your chart, compete with somebody, right right, Yeah, 704 00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:17,199 that that's true. That's true. And then Swarmy Fest in November. Oh 705 00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:23,760 yeah, remember I would be honored. I would love if you guys would 706 00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:28,440 come and be a part of that this year. Everyone's excited to have you 707 00:54:28,519 --> 00:54:31,639 guys. Yeah, we're excited. We're very excited to keep me away. 708 00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:36,159 Yes, yes, and of course I didn't know you had a microphone over 709 00:54:36,199 --> 00:54:40,440 there. Huh. That's awesome. And yeah, so we're gonna have eleven 710 00:54:40,519 --> 00:54:45,039 bands. Everything we do is eleven eleven songs. On every album eleven bands? 711 00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:50,440 Why is that? Does that number have significance? It does. So 712 00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:58,039 we have the album Almost eleven, which was released in twenty twenty, yeah, 713 00:54:58,079 --> 00:55:04,119 through Pavement, and we named it that because the band constantly sees the 714 00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:09,760 number eleven eleven ones over and over and over again. It's like numerology. 715 00:55:10,039 --> 00:55:14,280 Yeah, I've heard, I've heard that eleven eleven specifically has some significance. 716 00:55:14,679 --> 00:55:16,840 Yeah, they're like and they're like, they like they call them like angel 717 00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,920 numbers. We're not like, we're not like religious people or nothing like that, 718 00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:22,159 but that's just what they call them. Yeah. Yeah, no, 719 00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:29,599 that's cool, that's cool lore tradition. But the whole band see is the 720 00:55:29,679 --> 00:55:36,280 numbers. Yeah, it's very bizarre and yeah, so we're excited about Swarmy 721 00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,039 Fast and obviously we'll have more information about that soon. Yep. Your friends 722 00:55:39,079 --> 00:55:44,679 are going to be there though, they're coming back this year, Legion them 723 00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,000 and they're coming yeah, and so they'll they'll be coming to hang out with 724 00:55:47,079 --> 00:55:52,159 us. They'll be there all day Saturday. And our friends from New Hampshire 725 00:55:52,199 --> 00:55:55,800 Guitars yes to be coming down to I'd love to get them down here with 726 00:55:55,880 --> 00:56:00,000 you guys. They are such a fantastic bunch when I get when I plug 727 00:56:00,159 --> 00:56:07,000 the Swarmy Fest, man, they are a great bunch to have done. 728 00:56:07,039 --> 00:56:09,239 I mean there's there's a whole group of these guys and they're they're great players, 729 00:56:10,079 --> 00:56:15,920 and they are just so New England and so New Hampshire. They belong 730 00:56:15,039 --> 00:56:19,239 here. Yeah, I could already feel it. But they got a really 731 00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,400 cool thing going on in Windom. It's the only place I get my guitars 732 00:56:22,519 --> 00:56:28,320 tech at kidding before any big shows that I have, you know, anytime 733 00:56:29,519 --> 00:56:35,960 we need like unique gear fixes, uh, stuff that nobody else would touch. 734 00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,440 New Hampshire Guitars Man, they do the thing. Yeah, they so 735 00:56:40,599 --> 00:56:45,880 we play on these things called head rushes. They're like computers and you know 736 00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,679 if you call Guitar Center, they wouldn't touch it. Really Yeah, New 737 00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:53,000 Hampshire Guitars had it fixed within a week. Oh cool, all right, 738 00:56:53,199 --> 00:56:58,679 But I mean guitar setups, bass setups, they got lessons down there. 739 00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:00,800 Yeah, I mean, I'll plug to death because it's because they're they're really 740 00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,639 good. Yeah. We met them at the at the first Swarmy Fest, 741 00:57:06,039 --> 00:57:08,000 a booth in the back. Yeah yeah, yeah, they seem like really 742 00:57:08,039 --> 00:57:12,719 good guys. Yeah, absolutely, And what should people know about how to 743 00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,440 find stepsus onlinehere's the best place to go and keep up with the dot com 744 00:57:16,719 --> 00:57:21,480 and we should spell it. It's S E P S I S S right. 745 00:57:21,599 --> 00:57:25,039 I don't know if there is there is there an actual like one s 746 00:57:25,159 --> 00:57:31,480 dot com that might confuse people. I don't know now that you said that. 747 00:57:32,159 --> 00:57:37,159 The rank Jenny is gonna look, yeah it has has anyone ever s 748 00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:45,519 I s? Dot org? Dot com points to a dot org and yeah, 749 00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:51,920 it's basically teaching people about the medical I hope we don't I hope we 750 00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:55,880 don't confuse people. Yeah, yeah, has has anyone ever misspelled your name 751 00:57:55,920 --> 00:58:00,039 on a flyer all the time? But yeah, but there's like, I 752 00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:05,079 mean, there's like forty bands named after the disease. I mean yeah, 753 00:58:05,679 --> 00:58:10,400 we follow all of them. Website is looking awesome, thank you. Yeah, 754 00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:14,320 that's that's Melissa's work there. I can't take any credit. It looks 755 00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:15,440 great. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a lot of content 756 00:58:15,519 --> 00:58:19,280 there and really good, really good stuff. All right, So we are 757 00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:21,800 approaching the top of the hour. We've got John MacArthur coming up. But 758 00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:23,400 I'm gonna end. I'm gonna be a little bit selfish. I'm gonna end 759 00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:27,360 with my favorite Sepsist song, and my dad loves this song too, by 760 00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:30,159 the way, this is the one that I think got his attention. Eyes 761 00:58:30,199 --> 00:58:35,079 of Empathy. Whoa wow wow love this song. We haven't played it in 762 00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:37,719 a while, but I never get tired of it. It's so so good. 763 00:58:37,239 --> 00:58:40,039 So we will end with this. But thank you, all three of 764 00:58:40,079 --> 00:58:43,519 you. I really appreciate your coming in today. Thank you so much for 765 00:58:43,599 --> 00:58:45,239 having always always wonderful to see you. And here it is. This is 766 00:58:45,280 --> 00:59:15,920 Sepsis, Eyes of Empathy, Strangers in the Holidays, Three school Dreamses, 767 00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:30,840 Swimming and night Seem and Green, Scarl and press its present, swing n 768 00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:40,360 and scree strees and hill I'm just st then some last all the grand Oh 769 00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:52,719 my love Bill to cover do Sorry he's come on the news in the same 770 00:59:52,199 --> 00:59:57,960 But I cannot free rush swear the breaking falling because