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this is Less Striving. Yes,
yes, I know aka Surviving Man

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and you're listening to Brian on sais
He if you want to welcome back to

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sasquatch Otis. Thank you so much
for being with us for the show.

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It is Friday. I hope you
guys have had a great week. You

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have an amazing show line up for
you. But as always, I want

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to start the show by inviting you. If you've had an encounter and you'd

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like to be on the show,
shoot me an email you get me a

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check it out, become a member
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I said, we've got a great
guest lined up for you. I got

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to sit down and talk to Daryl
Collyer of the North American would Ache Conservancy

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and we talked about all of his
personal experiences and all the other goings on

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out there in Area X. It
was an amazing conversation and I think you

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guys are really going to enjoy it
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the Sasquatch Odyssey Fans group on Facebook. But enough of that, I'm gonna

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let the music play. You guys, sit back, relax, and enjoy

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the show. Folks at welcome our
guests to the show. It is Darryll

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Callier from the North American Woodape Conservancy. Welcome to the show, Daryl,

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Hello, Brian, how are you. I'm good man. I appreciate you

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taking time to be here. I'm
glad we could line up our schedules.

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I've been looking forward to this conversation
forever, so I'm glad you're finally here.

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So let's get right into it.
Let's talk about this bigfoot thing first

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and foremost. What got you interested
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goes back to when I was a
little kid. I'm originally from northeast Texas.

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I was born in a little town
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we lived in a house that was
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line, about five miles from the
famous infamous area of Body Creek Falk,

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Arkansas. So from the time I
was a little child, I heard all

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kinds of stories, in particulate from
my father, my father. The way

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my father told it, he was
stalked one night on his way home,

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walking down a long in this long
road that he had to take to get

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from his uncle, my uncle,
my great uncle's place, to his place.

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He was twelve years old, and
it was dark and he's walking along

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and he could see the shadow of
this thing shadowing him on the other side

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of the spence in the piney woods. He's walking down and he started jogging,

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and it started jogging with him,
keeping up with him, and it

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followed him all the way to the
house, and he jumped up on the

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porch and my grandmother came out and
said, you know, you look like

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you've seen a ghost. And from
that time forward, you know, Brian,

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I was just sort of intrigued by
the whole idea, and I wanted

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to I wanted to find out what
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night and got older and went in
to the Air Force and made a promise

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to some some buddies that I was
going to look into this. And here

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I am, all these years later, and I am definitely looking into it.

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And I have seen some things that
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in my entire life. I have
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want to I want to solve this
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Well, I definitely want to get
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one of the things that I've talked
to so many people about recently what is

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it that keeps you going out in
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talk about that as well. But
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to put the cart before the horse. Let's talk a little bit about the

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North American wood Ape Conservancy. I
mentioned it in the Open of course,

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we've had map proved on the show. He's a friend of the show,

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he's a friend of mine, and
we've talked about it a little bit.

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But for those that aren't familiar with
the North American wood Ape Conservancy, can

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you give us sort of the dime
store tour of what that organization is,

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how it came to be, and
then how you got involved with them.

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The North American wood Ape Conservancy is
a nonprofit research organization and we are dedicated

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to conclusively demonstrating that the sasquatch,
the wood ape is a legitimate species in

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North America. It started out back
early two thousands as the Texas Bigfoot Research

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Center, founded by Craig Willheater.
We became a nonprofit in two thousand and

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seven name changed the Texas Bigfoot Research
Conservancy. Twenty thirteen changed the name again

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to the North American would Ape Conservancy. We liked the name would Ape based

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on our experience of the data that
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a it's an undiscovered great ape.
We decided to go with that name.

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We feel like that's a legitimate name
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That name was already established in the
literature, and we think it is very

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aproposed for this animal. And it
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nonprofit research organization. Now we have
about one hundred members. We spend anywhere

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from three, four or five months
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Much of that time is around the
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eighteen weeks consecutively or instance. This
year we have the annual field study.

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We call that Operation New Dawn,
where now in the ninth week we've had

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teams on the field for the last
nine weeks. It amounts to about fifteen

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hundred man hours. It's twenty four
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all month. Out of the fifteen
hundred hours, we've had about I

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would say, about three seconds of
visual this year, so we've actually had

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three visuals, but the amount to
about three seconds in duration. Very very

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very tough to see these things,
but yeah, that's what it's all about

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I mean, the hypothesis is that
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a wood a phenomenon, and now
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Well, let's talk about your hours
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a ton of time in the woods. That's one of the things I love

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about you the most is you're one
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deal guys. People are probably seen
you as I have and some of the

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bigfoot documentaries that are out there,
and that's where I really fell in love

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with the Nawac and what you guys
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had Kathy Strain on the show,
and Kathy and I have talked at length

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about what you guys go through and
what you actually do while you're out there,

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so I certainly want to talk about
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your hours in the woods and how
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And if you wouldn't mind tell a
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Area XE is and then what have
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area? Well, Brian, Area
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now for our studies, and it
wasn't always the primary area of focus for

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us. It was designated Area X
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creepy name we came up with.
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different areas. We had an Area
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we had Area X, we actually
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had all these different areas, and
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when we called them all away and
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we had the most activity, the
most data collected, it was Area X.

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An Area X is an area in
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east west mountain range situated on the
border of Oklahoma and Arkansas. It's about

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three hundred miles wide, about one
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from north to south. It's a
very remote area, partly any population there.

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If you look at a map of
lights, you know, they having

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those maps of lights that you where
you can see like a urban areas lit

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up, you'll see that's it's a
big dark void area for lights. It's

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just not a lot of people that
live there, and it's it's extremely rugged,

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very remote. I don't have any
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year we just started getting cell phone
coverage out in the field out there,

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and that's only It's not everybody.
The last team I was there with two

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weeks ago with Alton Higgins, he
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there with him into and we had
to hot spot his phone and able to

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get coverage there. It's it's it's
really remote. You know. From the

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highway it takes us an hour and
a half just to get to the cabin

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that we have, and the it's
it's like twelve miles as the pro flies.

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But the oh, it is so
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us an hour and a half just
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Once you get out there to that
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experiences, and this is an encounter
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about that. Can you talk about
some of the many experiences you and I

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were talking before we get on the
area's We probably don't have time to go

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through everything you've experienced, but some
of those things that have stuck out to

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you over the last decade plus that
you've been out there, and researching these

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things. Man's a tough question because
there's a lot. There's a lot.

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You know. You and I had
talked a little bit before we started recording

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for the show, and you mentioned
something about wood knocks and that sort of

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thing. I remember in twenty thirteen, I had a visual that came very

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close to substantiating actually seeing one of
these animals produced wood knocks. So it

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was there was I think there were
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This is Operation Relentless in twenty thirteen. It's about ten in the morning,

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and we were standing in front of
a cabin and we had had a pretty

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active night. We were discussing.
We were debriefing of what we had observed

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the previous night and that morning.
And from about seventy five yards to the

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way I'm facing now would be my
left up the mountain in this area we

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called bottleneck area. It was just
where the woods just sort of bottleneck into

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this trail and then it just went
up the slope of a mountain. Here

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heard two distinct, clear, loud
wood knocks. Just wow, and I

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just turned to look. And when
I looked up there where the sounds came

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from, I see this tall black
figure about seventy five yards away, just

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walking on almost like creeping down the
mountain. I mean it was almost like

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somebody just like like this thing was
like trying to avoid being seen in the

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way that it was walking. But
I clearly saw it. I mean it,

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you know, just walked right through
this gap of the trees and told

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the guy, I said, gentlemen, I just saw something. So I

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just want to be lying straight for
it. So I went there and I

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went into the woods, and then
I could hear this thing just just tearing

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off through the woods. I couldn't
see it at that point, but I

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could hear it sound like a freight
train. Then I hear running to my

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ride and I look to the trees
and I see my buddy, Travis Lawrence.

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He's running down the tree. He's
on the trail, running forward the

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direction We're gonna try to cut this
thing off. I'm still in the woods

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and I'm trying to get through all
this greenbrier and all this brush, and

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I get down on my knees.
I stand up, and I can still

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hear it, and I'm looking and
I'm I still can't see it. I

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mean, it's just all I can
hear is just this movement? Well,

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Travis runs down past me. I
lose it. I get stuck in there.

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And Travis comes back about twenty five
thirty seconds later and says he never

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never saw it, but he heard
what we call fox speech, and some

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people call like a chatter or whatever. It was just some sort of gibberish,

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indecipherable gibberish. It just sounds.
It usually has like a yeah,

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it's just something like that. And
he heard it clearly, and it was

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up on the mountain. So I
step out of the woods, meet with

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Travis, and just at that instance, the guys back of the cabin start

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yelling. We hear these banging.
Cabin gets hit with a rock and then

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another one, and so it's like
this all happened within the span of like

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thirty seconds. I hear the wooden
knox. I go after it. I

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hear the wood knox, I see
the thing. I go after it.

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I go in the woods. I
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Travis runs down, he hears the
gibberish, the foe speeches we call it.

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they're there as rocks start getting thrown
at the cabin. So for most people

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that would be enough to say,
Okay, you know this is I'm done

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here. But that was just I'm
telling you for a while that that stuff

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was almost like routine for us.
He didn't have it all the time,

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but there were times where it would
happen and it would just be like NonStop

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for you know, like thirty minutes, and then for the next ten hours

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you wouldn't hear anything, or the
next two days, and then all of

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a sudden it would start up again. But yeah, I mean, that's

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so that's just one of the you
know, the more fascinating I've had.

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Well, let's talk a little bit
about the wood Knox because that's something that

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I have really struggled with with me
looking into the subject for years, because

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I honestly felt, in Cliff and
I've had this conversation, I felt like

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it was something that was sort of
created for television by shows like Finding Bigfoot,

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because you have to have something to
do to keep an audience entertained,

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right, you have to go out
and you have to beat on some trees,

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you gotta make some noise, you
gotta go out at night and do

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some whoops and yales and these big
calls. And I never really understood if

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they were doing wood knocks, because, like you said, you almost caught

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one doing one visually. You know, I'm a one to one correlation guy,

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right, I was in law enforcemuth
so I kind of need something to

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say, Okay, I saw this
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knocks. But it's something that's really
prolific throughout. Most of the investigators and

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researches you talked to, they say
the experience these wood knocks. So was

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that something that was immediate for you
guys in Area X or has that evolved

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over the years and how has that
went as your time out there has progressed?

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all very skeptical about them, and
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but we started hearing them because back
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not going in there for prolonged field
studies. We were we were reliant on

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camera traps at the time, and
the entire idea up until then was put

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out the camera traps and you get
the heck out of Dodge and just you

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know, you want to be as
unobtrusive as possible. You want to leave

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this place pristine. You don't,
you don't want to be part of the

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experiment. And so we would put
the camera traps out, leave them,

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come back six months later, spend
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servicing those cameras, pulling all the
cards, changing batteries, and then we'd

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get back out. We didn't spend
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didn't really hear these knocks until we
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In fact, late twenty ten,
November of twenty ten, we decided to

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go in there for five six days
in November, and that's and we heard

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a number of these knocking sounds and
if that it was during that point that

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many of us came to terms with
that. We said, Okay, something

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is going on here. We're hearing
these percussive sounds. They're clean, they're

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clear. Something out here in these
woods and there's no people. Again,

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it's it's difficult for many people to
conceive, but there's just it's virtually impossible

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for somebody to come in there and
hoax us. It's just the place is

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so hard to get to to begin
with, it's so hard to get around

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on foot that you have to be
in very good condition physically. You have

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to be physically fit to get around
in the place, particularly at night.

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Nobody, nobody's ever going to go
in there at night without some sort of

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visual aid, without lights and just
walk around those mountain slopes and those mountains.

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It's hard enough with lights. So
the whole point there is that hoaxing.

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We can we can pretty much just
rule that out. So we came

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to terms with the knocking. Okay, and now it's axiomatic for us.

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That is a wood ape signpost.
We are firm that these things produce these

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percussive sounds as some sort of communication. We have not broke the code.

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We've not broken the code yet,
but it is a code of communication for

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them. We've experienced them in a
number of different settings. Just like the

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one that I just told you about, there's another fascinating one. So this

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was again in twenty thirteen, Travis
Lawrence and I we're conducting what we call

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overwatch. Overwatch is we take a
canopy tent with the open sides, you

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know, it's just got the four
bars with the roof on it. We

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wrap those walls with black plastic trash
bags. And the reason we do that

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is because a thermal scope will see
right through it as if the black plastic

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is not there, nothing else can
see you because you're concealed behind the black

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plastic. So what you essentially have
as a tent, but it's made of

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black plastic trash bags. And then
when you get your thermals, you can

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look around as if there's no walls. It's like you're sitting there with no

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walls on the tent. And so
we constructed what we called an Overwatch tent

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in twenty thirteen, and we started
doing what we would call Overwatch, which

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was we would go in this at
night with thermal scopes and we would we

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would have a team of two people
and they would man these Overwatch tents for

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six eight hours and we just collected
a treasure toll of data. And one

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of the more fascinating things that we
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It was just fascinating. So,
for instance, one night, and I

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don't remember the exact time, probably
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o'clock in the morning, Travis and
I were on Overwatch and you know,

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we're sitting there, we're scanning.
You know, I might stand up.

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He's he's seated, he's looking one
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then all of a sudden, you
hear, you know, from the east,

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you hear bam. I mean it
literally sounds like somebody out in the

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woods with a Louisville slugger. That's
literally what it sounds like. From sixty

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yards away. You hear that.
Ten seconds later from the west, bam,

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from the north, bam, bam. Five seconds later from the south,

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bam, bam, ten seconds later
from the east, bam. In

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solid. Forty five minutes later,
you hear from the north bam, from

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the east, BAM. I can't
tell you how many times that happened to

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us, how many times we documented
that. And then we would have rock

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throws, you know, in between
the wood knocking. Oftentimes we will have

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wood knocking. Historically, we've had
it over the last ten years, twelve

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years. When Pete right before people
come in the guys at Campbell here,

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wood knock. Two minutes later,
a guy rolls up, right after somebody

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leaves camp thirty seconds forty five seconds
a minute, you'll hear a wood knock

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once time. I told the team
I was going to come in like seven

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pm on a Friday evening. So
what they did is they sent two guys

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out away from camp up the mountain
on the main road end. It's not

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really a road, it's like a
mule trail and it's very rocky, very

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steep, very nasty. You gotta
have you really have to have temply tires

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with thick rubber off road tires to
get you should anyway, So five minutes

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before I show up, they document
a massive wooden hicky and they radio to

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each other and said, I'll bet
you he's I bet you Darrell's coming.

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Sure enough, you know. Four
or five minutes later, here I come

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down the mountain. So that's just
one example of so many that we've had.

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Stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to
Sea Warding right back after these messages.

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It's a form of communication. And
the thing is chimps. Chimps do

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they do something similar. They do
they do it's called drumming. It's not

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exactly the same, but it is
kindred and that they beat on trees.

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They'll beat on trees with rock,
they'll beat on trees with their feet,

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so it's not unprecedented. In the
Great Apes. We sometimes refer to it

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as would ape or sasquatch Morse code, and there are times. In fact,

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last year Matt Pruitt and I were
out together on a team and Brian

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uh we lost count of the wood
knocks, and we were at that time

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we were eliciting. We had we
both had little baseball bats, and we

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would, you know, we would
knock and then we would get a response.

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We would wait fifteen, twenty minutes, twenty five minutes, knock again,

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get another response, or then you
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And this went on for hours.
And of course the hope is you'll get

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them to come in close enough to
you so you can get footage, film,

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whatever. It never happened, but
you know, we both agreed the

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probably the closest woman was fifty meters, but when you're in a jungle like

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environment, fifty meters is forever.
I mean, it's it's just it's a

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long way. But yeah, it's
axiomatic for US wood knocking. You know,

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academic, we totally don't. It's
not even controversial with this in the

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least, it's not debatable they do
it. You know, I could just

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go on and on and on about
it. Yeah, talked to so many

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people that have their own opinions about
what it is, but clearly I have

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come to realize as well that it
is something that they do because so many

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people experience it. I had a
conversation with Carter Bouchard a couple of years

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ago, and Carter had been in
situations where it was like they were counting

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people, like you said, were
coming and going in the group, and

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as they would leave, they would
hear the knocks correspond with the amount of

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people that were coming and going.
So it was almost a communication that they

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were going back and forth to say, hey, there's two coming or there's

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three leaving, or whatever the case
may be. The what knocking and the

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rock throwing is something that has always
fascinated me. Obviously we've seen everybody seen

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videos of apes and chimps and other
lesser apes and in greater apes throwing things

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right, whether it be feces,
rocks, whatever. What do you make

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of the throwing of the rocks that
you guys experience. Has it been in

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a threatening way or is it more
of a curiosity thing. What are you

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guys finding as far as the rock
throwing as concerned, we think your intimidation

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displays. Yeah, And we've had
everything, Brian, from small small rocks,

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the size of a nickel, size
of a golf ball, size of

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a baseball, softball, soccer ball, basketball, watermelon. And we've not

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seen these, but we've heard them
big boulders, and there's nowhere to know

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how big they are, but they
sound massive. I mean they sound like,

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you know, like boulders being thrown
in the creeks in the rock and

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when it makes an impact, it
definitely leaves an impression because you know,

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the valley we're in is it's a
long valley that's situated between mountains, and

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it's a deep valley and it's very
rocky. So when there's a very very

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loud sound, it just has an
echo and it reverberates. And so when

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they throw these big rocks, it
doesn't happen very often, but you know

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you'll hear like uh. And the
old valley's flat, I mean there's no

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and even the slopes, I don't
know what is it, thirty degrees or

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whatever, they're not. There's no
overhangs where rocks are just falling down there.

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It's it's these are these are slopes
and they're wooded. They're densely wooded

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slopes of mountain. And then you
have this valley that's you know, I

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don't know, it ranges from anywhere
from a thousand to two or three thousand

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meters across, and there's you know, rocky creeks, and the whole valley

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floor is just covered with rocks.
It's got dense brush, but but the

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floor itself is rocky. There's rocks
everywhere, and so you hear these big

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rocks being tossed from time to time. Again stress, it doesn't happen all

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the time, on occasion, maybe
once a year if that, but when

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you hear it, it absolutely makes
an impression. I think Matt Matt Crewitt's

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first trip there, he was he
was pretty I wouldn't say he was shaken,

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but he was definitely. It definitely
left an impression on him because you

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know, he heard that boulder toss
and he was in disbelief. Because it's

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pretty scary because when you when you
contemplate something having the stream to pick up

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whatever it is you're hearing. I
mean it sounds large, you know,

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size of a kitchen table. When
you think about a rock that size being

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picked up and tossed and it bounces
three or four times. That's, man,

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that's some incredible strength and that I
don't think that can be for anything

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other than some sort of intimidation display. When the rocks are thrown at us

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or toward us, I think it's
for intimidation purposes. The team I was

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there with two weeks ago, Alton
had just gone gotten up in the middle

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of the night to relieve himself,
and he came back in and I got

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up right after him, and I
went out did the same thing. And

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so I get through and I grabbed
the vinyl thermals. It's like four in

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the morning, and we have some
binoculars, thermal binoculars. I get the

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thermal binoculars and I'm just standing there
looking and all of a sudden, I

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hear through the leaves and then bow
on top of the roof. As I'm

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standing there looking up the mountain,
and you know, I'm just okay,

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where are you? And I you
know, I scanned all around. I

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couldn't see anything. But again,
the vegetation is so thick, and man,

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they're so good. It just hit
and runs. They're so good.

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At it. It just doing what
they gotta do, and then they just

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disappeared. They're gone. You know. They know how to they know how

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to use cover. They're fast,
they're very very wily, crafty up to

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get a visual on them. You
know, let's stick with that for just

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a second. As far as the
threatening behavior, I've documented a ton.

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I mean, we're three hundred plus
episodes in on the Sasquatch Odyssey, and

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I've documented one case that comes to
mind. Jeff Harding out in the Pine

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Island Research Area. He had an
experience when he was like eighteen, and

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one of these things was he surprised
it on a trail and it kind of

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chunked a stick at him and hit
him in the chest and knocked him down.

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That's the only time I've every documented
an encounter where there was a physical

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interaction and this thing was appeared to
be a great and Jeff says it was

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more of a surprise thing. He
doesn't feel like it was trying to hurt

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him, because it certainly could have. Are you guys experiencing any other type

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of threatening stuff you're out there in
these woods. It's clear, at least

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in my mind that with some of
the behavior they're expressing, they probably don't

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want you there, at least on
some level. They're trying to assert dominance.

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Have you had other experiences, maybe
you or anybody else in the groups

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that have experienced something that would be
considered more threatening and where they might have

405
00:27:27.319 --> 00:27:32.880
even feared for their safety. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. So we

406
00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:37.920
think what this area is is what
we call a core, which is different

407
00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:44.119
from a range or a territory.
A core is where it's a refuge i'e.

408
00:27:44.400 --> 00:27:47.359
It's where they give birth, it's
where they raise young. And we

409
00:27:47.480 --> 00:27:51.519
think we're very close to that core
area, and we think you're very protective

410
00:27:51.559 --> 00:27:53.599
of it, and we think that's
why they don't leave, because this is

411
00:27:55.240 --> 00:27:57.480
a core for this group, this
troop of apes. And so, yes,

412
00:27:57.599 --> 00:28:04.680
we've definitely experienced behaviors before that were
overtly aggressive, and those were in

413
00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:10.680
the forms of bluff charges and it
never happened to me, but it's happened

414
00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:15.079
to at least two of our people, and yes, it scared them quite

415
00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:18.960
a bit. In fact, one
guy he wanted us to call off everything.

416
00:28:18.400 --> 00:28:21.680
We have no idea what we're dealing
with here. You know, somebody's

417
00:28:21.720 --> 00:28:25.920
gonna get killed. We need to
stop this, and he was he was

418
00:28:25.960 --> 00:28:30.279
pretty he was pretty distraught over it. But yeah, the bluff charge that's

419
00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:34.960
happened I think at least twice,
maybe three times. And then you have

420
00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:37.359
you know, people don't believe this. Course, they don't believe any of

421
00:28:37.400 --> 00:28:41.079
this stuff. But we've had we've
had trees pushed over before. Look,

422
00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:44.599
I don't know how they do it. So in twenty fourteen, it was

423
00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:48.400
Bob and Cathy Strain, Brian Brown, Daniel Falconer and me. We were

424
00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:55.759
Quebec Team Operation Tenacity. September twenty
fourteen. It rained for like two or

425
00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:59.079
three straight days. We were just
sort of just stuck on the porch.

426
00:28:59.079 --> 00:29:02.400
To me, it was just pouring
eight inches overnight one night and so I

427
00:29:02.519 --> 00:29:04.759
finally the rain broke and it was
like, you know, this first day

428
00:29:04.920 --> 00:29:10.279
when we wasn't raining on us and
we're sort of standing out in front of

429
00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:12.200
the cabin talking about what we're gonna
do, and all of a sudden we

430
00:29:12.200 --> 00:29:17.160
start hearing this big tree cracking near
the cracks. We all turn and look

431
00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:21.440
and you see this tree. We
could see the top of the tree and

432
00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:26.079
it's a healthy hickory tree just is
swaying on this and you hear this.

433
00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:37.559
So I just take off in a
dead sprint for this tree, and Brian

434
00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:40.240
bought the rest of them. They're
coming. They're right behind me. So

435
00:29:40.359 --> 00:29:44.640
I take off into the woods after
I'm trying to find this tree, trying

436
00:29:44.680 --> 00:29:48.799
to find what just trying to find
out what just happened. So I take

437
00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:52.359
off that direction. So I get
I don't know how far in I get

438
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:56.000
into the woods, and then all
of a sudden, I hear Brian and

439
00:29:56.200 --> 00:30:00.359
Daniel yelling at me, Daryl,
Daryl, come back, you have an

440
00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:03.720
animal. And I run back.
I get to the woods. I get

441
00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:07.519
to the edge of the woods where
they are, and Brian is like dumbfounded.

442
00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:11.920
He said, I just saw one. I was like, what did

443
00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:15.880
Yeah, Daniel and I were looking
in the woods where you are, and

444
00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:18.960
we heard a wood knock behind us. I turned and look, and I

445
00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:22.200
see one run across the trail and
then it peeks out from behind the trail,

446
00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:26.279
and then I just took off after
this, and look, I know

447
00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:30.000
that I've seen them. I know
that I can't chase one down. But

448
00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:36.240
here's the whole idea behind running after
them, because what happens sometimes or even

449
00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:40.440
oftentimes when we do that is it
causes other ones trying to reveal themselves,

450
00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:44.160
because then they'll try to distract you. You're chasing after the first one,

451
00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:48.000
so then they'll start throwing rocks from
other directions. They'll start knocking on trees

452
00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:51.640
to get you off of the one
you're chasing. I don't chase it because

453
00:30:51.640 --> 00:30:53.440
I think I can chase it because
I can catch it. I chase it

454
00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:56.400
because I want them to make a
mistake. I want them to reveal.

455
00:30:56.759 --> 00:31:02.200
I want these other ones to reveal
themselves because all we we have this this

456
00:31:02.319 --> 00:31:04.880
saying in area X, where there's
one, there's more. It's not we

457
00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:07.759
don't there's not some solitary animals.
There's a group of them, and they

458
00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:12.519
don't hang out by themselves. We've
had multiple visuals of two we've seen.

459
00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:15.960
I mean, one time, two
guys. Two of our guys saw four.

460
00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:19.559
Four of them. I've seen two. Travis Lawrence has seen two,

461
00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:25.799
and Harrison is scene too. Brian
Brown and Brendan Lynz saw two together.

462
00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:29.880
There have just been numerous, just
a number of encounters where we've seen two

463
00:31:29.960 --> 00:31:33.960
together. So we have this saying
where there's one, there's more and so

464
00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:37.680
we always that's that we always keep
that in our mind. So anyway,

465
00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:41.039
the whole tactic is chase after it, get them to make a mistake.

466
00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:44.759
That's why I went after it.
So the point is we saw the tree,

467
00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:48.079
we saw it, we heard it, we went there to the tree.

468
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:52.359
Brian sees this ape and it could
becausious coincidence, but I don't think

469
00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:56.920
so. I think it was an
ape that knocked the tree down because we

470
00:31:56.039 --> 00:32:01.920
think that possibly they equate noise with
power. You think about it in their

471
00:32:02.039 --> 00:32:06.400
environment, in their world, if
you could make a lot of noise,

472
00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:14.319
it presents this image, this air
of prowess of strength, because noise can

473
00:32:14.359 --> 00:32:20.680
be very intimidating. Is particularly loud. Noise rocks big rocks trees. And

474
00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:24.039
that's not the only time we've had
trees come down. We actually filmed something

475
00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:29.680
in twenty thirteen jumped down from a
tree. After they filmed the tree coming

476
00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:31.880
down, and then it felt this
thing came out of the tree so fast

477
00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:35.240
it was like a blur, but
then and then it just runs off.

478
00:32:35.960 --> 00:32:38.240
That was Brian. Brian Brown filmed
that. So anyway, we've had a

479
00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:43.400
number of instances where we've seen the
trees come down. We've heard the trees

480
00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:45.839
come down. We think they bring
trees down, and that is that's like

481
00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:50.759
the nuke of intimidation that in the
big boulders. When they do that,

482
00:32:50.759 --> 00:32:53.519
that's like they're you know, they're
bringing out they're bringing out the big guns,

483
00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:58.640
because that's that's like a it's a
very very intimidating thing when you witness

484
00:32:58.680 --> 00:33:00.759
it. I've had a tree almost
come down on top of me before with

485
00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:05.359
my wife. My wife was with
me. We had we'd just called blasted,

486
00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:08.920
and not even five seconds after the
last how that we play is the

487
00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:14.200
Ohio How, just standard Ohio How. We played that. Five seconds after

488
00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:17.039
that, all of a sudden we
hear this big tree cracking and we're ducking

489
00:33:17.079 --> 00:33:20.960
because it's a night. It sounds
like it's coming right on top of us.

490
00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:23.720
I mean it literally sounds like Brian
like it's right there. We're literally

491
00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:27.240
ducking, we're getting on the ground, and this tree comes down. I

492
00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:30.079
still don't know where it landed,
but it was a massive tree. You

493
00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:32.559
can hear the cracks and it just
comes down and just crashes, and it's

494
00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:37.119
like, Okay, you made your
point, Yeah I get it. You're

495
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:40.200
strong yeah, you know, you
know, those things are very intimidating.

496
00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:44.240
You know, anybody who tells you
they don't get scared up there, even

497
00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:46.039
even if they've been doing as long
as some of us, there's there are

498
00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:49.880
times you still you still still get
rattled a bit, you know, I

499
00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:52.400
can only imagine. Let's talk a
little bit about the vocalizations. You mentioned

500
00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:55.079
a couple of things, and that's
one thing that always sticks out, And

501
00:33:55.160 --> 00:34:00.839
a lot of the encounter stories that
I document is people here would they hear

502
00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:05.039
trees being pushed down and they get
vocalizations you mentioned, Ohio, how I've

503
00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:07.480
heard something very similar to that here
on our property in North Carolina. I

504
00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:13.000
know it's been documented many other states
around the country. What kind of vocalizations

505
00:34:13.000 --> 00:34:15.239
are you guys hearing? Are you
hearing a ton of them? And are

506
00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:19.880
you seeing a certain time of day
or night when they're most active? When

507
00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:22.880
you're getting the vocalizations and some of
the other things that are going on out

508
00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:27.079
there. Most of the vocalizations come
at night. Conversely, most of the

509
00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:30.840
visuals we've had have been during the
daytime. But we've got we've got a

510
00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:35.159
page on our website Woodape dot org
and it is dedicated to some of the

511
00:34:35.199 --> 00:34:38.280
sounds we've recorded, some of the
most fascinating or the huffs that we have

512
00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:43.639
that we recorded at close range.
We had a recorder hanging we had a

513
00:34:43.639 --> 00:34:47.199
recorder inside the cabin, and we
ran a microphone outside through the window.

514
00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:52.360
So the only thing that was outside
was this little Sunheiser microphone about that big

515
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:55.679
that just dangled off the cord.
It was right down hanging right down the

516
00:34:55.679 --> 00:35:00.119
window. And though those allowed us
to make some of the most fascinating recordings

517
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:05.400
of these things coming up to the
cabin throwing rocks. Well, first they

518
00:35:05.719 --> 00:35:09.360
make this hut sound almost like a
it's like a sound of exertion, and

519
00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:13.440
then they throw the rock and you
can go to our website and you can

520
00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:15.599
hear I don't know how many we
have, half dozen. They're they're very

521
00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:17.920
clear, very distinct, because they
were right there. I mean I was

522
00:35:19.400 --> 00:35:22.719
in one room when one of those
was recorded. I was there. I

523
00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:24.199
heard it with my own ears when
it happened, you know, while it

524
00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:27.960
was being recorded. And that's the
one where you hear you hear this thing

525
00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:32.679
whistle, and then you hear like
footfalls and you're who and then you hear

526
00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:37.719
this like wo bam. You know
it hits the cabin with the rock.

527
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:40.719
I was there for that. I
heard it through my window as it's being

528
00:35:40.760 --> 00:35:45.360
recorded. So those are some cool
recordings that we got and those are on

529
00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:51.480
the website. We've had a ton
of whoop recording. They sound like gibbons,

530
00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:55.960
these these whoops. We don't know
if it's a juvenile female, what

531
00:35:57.119 --> 00:36:00.079
the nature of these calls are,
but they are clearly they're no birds.

532
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:05.800
They're very very much like a lesser
or grade A. Most people that hear

533
00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:09.239
them would mistake them for givens.
We've sent them to a number of people

534
00:36:09.400 --> 00:36:14.599
at institutions and they all come back
and say that the closest thing I can

535
00:36:14.599 --> 00:36:16.760
come up with gibbons. Those are
on our website. They're whoops there.

536
00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:22.199
The audio recordings are called whoops.
And we have crush two dozen maybe I

537
00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:24.559
don't know, twelve, fifteen,
twenty, I'm not sure how many we

538
00:36:24.559 --> 00:36:29.960
have. There's a bunch of them. We've managed to record one long howl.

539
00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:34.880
We've recorded what we called a roar. Some whistles. We've recorded whistles.

540
00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:37.159
We've heard them whistle. Travis Lawrence
and I got followed by a whistler

541
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:42.559
one time were probably the better part
of a of a mile same thing,

542
00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:49.199
just a single tone whistle. We
would whistle back and it just followed us

543
00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:52.320
the whole time. They followed us
up a mountain. We did this big

544
00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:57.199
loop and we got back to the
cabin and I was standing out in front

545
00:36:57.199 --> 00:37:00.320
of the cabin and I thought Travis
was taught. I thought I thought he

546
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:02.239
was. He was inside the cabin, just inside the door, and I

547
00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:07.199
could hear this, just this sort
of mumbling, Travis, what are you

548
00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:10.199
saying? I didn't hear anything.
And Travis, he steps out there was

549
00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:14.440
what and what were you saying?
Goes. I wasn't saying anything. I

550
00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:15.599
said, I just heard you.
He said, No, that was not

551
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:20.079
me. I guess what it was
was some more of that Foe speech or

552
00:37:20.119 --> 00:37:22.840
the chatter. I guess it was
back behind the cabin, and I thought

553
00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:25.519
it was Travis, but it wasn't
him. And we were the only two

554
00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:30.079
there. We recorded the Foe speech. We've got one instance of that on

555
00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:34.079
there. Heard it a lot more
than that. One of the craziest things

556
00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:37.880
that I ever heard. I've got
two things to talk about here. Two

557
00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:42.679
of the craziest things that A three. There are three three things that I

558
00:37:42.760 --> 00:37:45.320
want to share. So Alton Higgins
and I were sitting out one night in

559
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:49.559
front of the cabin. We're the
only two guys there were the only two

560
00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:52.440
were the last two left on the
team. It was dark, I guess

561
00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:54.960
about ten thirty at night. We're
sitting in front of the cabin and it's

562
00:37:55.039 --> 00:37:59.639
quiet, and all of a sudden, back behind us, just inside the

563
00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:08.360
woods, i'd say thirty forty meters
away, we just hear a this goes

564
00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:15.760
on for like forty five seconds,
sixty seconds, just this low consistent pant

565
00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:22.920
hoot, and this goes on for
you know, a better part of a

566
00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:25.639
minute, and we're just like,
listen to that in the world, you

567
00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:28.679
know, I mean, it's it
was just it was clear as a bell,

568
00:38:29.239 --> 00:38:30.400
you know. It's like it was
right there behind us, right inside

569
00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:35.239
the woods. So that was one. It was very fascinating. Twenty seventeen

570
00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:40.199
Bob Strain, Tony Schmidt, Phil
Burrows, and Sean bober Warner team and

571
00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:43.840
it was about ten o'clock at night. We were sitting around the fire circle.

572
00:38:44.079 --> 00:38:47.679
We had a fire going, and
off to our west, probably one

573
00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:52.000
hundred meters or so, we just
hear this, this big loud whoop.

574
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:58.000
We're like cool, Tony answered,
But Tony answers, and Tony does his

575
00:38:58.039 --> 00:39:00.559
own whoop and he has his own
distinct sound. Well, here's the cool

576
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:07.599
thing, Brian. It started modifying
it sound to sound more like Tony's whoofs.

577
00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:12.519
So it starts, It starts this
this exchange off with its own original

578
00:39:12.559 --> 00:39:15.719
sound. Tony answers, I can't
do Tony's woof. I mean, he

579
00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:17.599
would have to do it, but
he answers in his way, and then

580
00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:22.639
it answers, and it's starting to
sound like Tony Tony. I said,

581
00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:24.480
Tony, do it again. Tony
does it again. It does it again.

582
00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:28.239
And each time they do this,
like four or five times, back

583
00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:30.039
and forth. Each time it responds
to Tony, it sounds more and more

584
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:35.599
like Tony. It's like was changing
its sound to sound like the way Tony

585
00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:38.639
was producing these woods. That was
really cool. If I didn't know better,

586
00:39:38.719 --> 00:39:43.280
better man, I mean, it
just sounded like this just this really

587
00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:47.920
big person. This person out there
is creepy. It's really wild. And

588
00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:52.360
then I think the kicker, I
think the best. Well, these things

589
00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:55.480
just keep popping up. Stay tuned
for more sasquatch out to sea. Wo

590
00:39:55.519 --> 00:40:05.920
be right back after these messages In
two thousand and five sam Houston National Horse,

591
00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:08.280
this is not even an area of
X. A colleague ANAB wanted to

592
00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:13.679
test this call blaster out and we
just stopped at this place randomly in the

593
00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:16.119
sam Houston National Force. It turned
out to be a really, really good

594
00:40:16.159 --> 00:40:20.119
spot. This is what got us
started in this place. We turned down

595
00:40:20.119 --> 00:40:23.559
this road and the far service room
in the Samuston National Horse said, look

596
00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:27.079
at this trailhead. Let's pull up
in this trailhead this park here. Let's

597
00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:30.000
wait till dark and then we'll call
blast. So we went up to trail

598
00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:35.239
about two hundred three intermeters. We
sat there until dark and opened up the

599
00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:38.840
call blaster. Turned it loud.
The Ohio how three house no sooner had

600
00:40:38.840 --> 00:40:44.320
we closed the lid. But from
just right, I mean just right out

601
00:40:44.320 --> 00:40:52.280
there, you know, fifty meters. I guess this thing responds six times

602
00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:55.079
six hours. At the end of
each house. Is this big gnarly growl

603
00:40:55.599 --> 00:41:00.320
after the sixth how you hear this? This tree branch or tree cracking.

604
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:05.679
Hear the cracks and then you just
a you hear the snap of a massive

605
00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:09.280
lamb or tree after the sixth pow
and so, and then the last one

606
00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:13.119
I want to tell you about.
So it was Brian Brown, another guy

607
00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:19.679
in me twenty eleven. And so
we were removing these three logs from across

608
00:41:20.239 --> 00:41:22.239
the trail, the road trail,
which was suspicious in and of itself.

609
00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:27.920
Yeah, trees fall, absolutely,
but this was three right in one spot.

610
00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:30.880
And we kind of have our own
theory about that that we think that

611
00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:35.079
the wood axe may have done this. But anyway, so we could move

612
00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:37.519
them, didn't have the means to
move these big logs. They're huge,

613
00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:40.840
they're massive, so we had to
cut path around to get around these things.

614
00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:45.360
I could drive my truck through.
We had gone, we had left

615
00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:47.760
the valley and we'd gone to the
nearest place to get some fix the flat

616
00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:52.280
for an ATV we had, so
it came back and that's when we we

617
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:54.079
get out. All we have is
a bone saw. We start cutting these

618
00:41:54.079 --> 00:41:59.159
saplings so we can, you know, cut our way around these down logs

619
00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:01.760
so we can drive through and get
back to camp. Took us about twenty

620
00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:05.760
minutes, and the whole time we're
cutting, got this bones saw and you

621
00:42:05.800 --> 00:42:09.760
know the sound it makes when you
cut your tree. We do that for

622
00:42:09.800 --> 00:42:13.639
like twenty minutes, so finally we
can get finished. We're worn out,

623
00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:16.000
you know, we all turned cutting
these trees, and um, we didn't

624
00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:19.480
have a chain saw. All that
was, you know, back at camp

625
00:42:19.559 --> 00:42:22.639
or wherever. And so I get
in my truck and I'm driving through and

626
00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:27.199
uh, you know, Brian and
the other guy they're giving me these signals,

627
00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:29.760
you know, to turn. And
I look at Brian. He's like,

628
00:42:29.920 --> 00:42:34.000
stop, stop, stop, it's
to stop. And I rolled down

629
00:42:34.039 --> 00:42:37.599
the window and I can hear this
vocalization. They've already been hearing it for

630
00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:40.480
like ten seconds, and I rolled
down my window and then I started hearing

631
00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:47.400
it. And it's just this massive
sounding pant hoot. You can hear the

632
00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:52.280
thing breathing in, and it's like
wheezing when it breathes in, and it's

633
00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:54.599
rolling out. When it blows out, it makes us, you know,

634
00:42:54.639 --> 00:42:59.840
And it breathes in, it's like
it's a it's this weird wheezing sound and

635
00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:02.960
it does this like and it's so
loud you can hear it reverberate. I

636
00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:12.679
mean, it's just loud, like
what in the world. And so it

637
00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:17.480
just as it stops, then you
hear these cloudies like whimpering and like crying

638
00:43:17.559 --> 00:43:22.719
and whimpering. We go after this
thing. We start going in thereafter it

639
00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:25.320
and we never could find it.
But that was like that was from Bizarro,

640
00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:30.480
you know. And yeah, so
those are you know, those are

641
00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:35.480
some other things we've heard. Yeah, the vocalization thing has always fascinated me

642
00:43:35.559 --> 00:43:38.760
because people hear some weird stuff,
even with the mimicry. As you were

643
00:43:38.760 --> 00:43:43.400
talking, I wrote down mimicry because
I've talked to people. Ron Moorehead comes

644
00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:45.639
to mind. Ron's been on the
show a couple of times and talked about

645
00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:49.800
some of the weird metallic sounds that
they heard eight miles deep in the woods,

646
00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:52.480
like card doors slamming, and even
I think he's described once hearing a

647
00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:57.199
cowbell, you know, and it
just doesn't make sense. And I think

648
00:43:57.280 --> 00:44:00.000
these things are sort of like the
parrots of the forest in some cases.

649
00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:04.679
I think they really do a lot
of mimicry, you know, it's really

650
00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:07.559
strange stuff. I want to talk
a little bit about when Matt was on

651
00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:10.519
Gosh almost two years ago now,
we had Matt on the show. We

652
00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:16.119
were talking about sort of the North
American Woodape Conservancy motto, and what the

653
00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:21.559
goal was was to basically harvest a
specimen of one of these creatures, because

654
00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:24.199
science demands what it demands, right, I believe that, you know,

655
00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:28.239
I've had conversations with people recently who
think that we can even you know,

656
00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:31.159
maybe move past this and not have
to have a body to prove the species.

657
00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:35.519
But I know, when at least
you guys started going out there,

658
00:44:35.639 --> 00:44:37.239
and I may be wrong, was
that not one of the things that you

659
00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:40.840
guys were trying to do is harvest
a specimen. And is that still the

660
00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:45.679
case today or are you guys sort
of amending the way that you're going about

661
00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:47.960
your research. Well, that wasn't
always that. It wasn't always that way.

662
00:44:49.159 --> 00:44:52.360
In the early years, we were
all about getting photographs, and then

663
00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:57.280
we got away from that for a
while and we focused solely on the specimen

664
00:44:57.320 --> 00:45:00.960
collection. We don't like to use
the word harvest, that's that sounds more

665
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:07.559
like hunting. We are trying to
collect holotide or purposes of scientific documentation and

666
00:45:07.639 --> 00:45:12.440
validation because science requires a specimen because
it has to be independently has to be

667
00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:16.079
independently verified, as to be independently
examined, has to be poked has to

668
00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:20.840
be prodded, and I didn't.
We didn't make the rules. We don't

669
00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:23.400
make the rules for science. But
that is what science demands it to this

670
00:45:23.480 --> 00:45:27.840
day, it does. You still
have people think that those days were from

671
00:45:27.880 --> 00:45:31.840
the nineteenth century. That's not correct. Scientists still collect specimens today. A

672
00:45:31.960 --> 00:45:36.679
recent there's a recent monkey listed as
a as a new species, and they

673
00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:39.599
collected two of them. So it's
sausage making process. Nobody wants to talk

674
00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:45.320
about it. People want to use
emotion and talk about how horrible it is

675
00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:49.400
and how mean we are, and
you know how you know we're despicable,

676
00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:52.360
we're disgusting because we want to collect
one and one that we don't want to.

677
00:45:53.119 --> 00:45:57.639
It's been this a science requires and
if if this thing's going to be

678
00:45:57.679 --> 00:46:01.480
listed as a species, it's going
to have to be done with the collection

679
00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:07.440
of a specimen, whether somebody actively
proactively does it, whether someone passively does

680
00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:15.280
it with a logging truck, whether
someone finds body corpus, it's going to

681
00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:22.480
take a specimen to have the thing
conclusively demonstrated as a legitimate species. Now,

682
00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:25.960
having said that, we have done
a pivot, and I will say

683
00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:30.800
by that, what I mean by
that is that we are now focusing at

684
00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:37.079
least fifty percent of our efforts on
getting photographs and film, and that is

685
00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:45.039
because we believe there can be great
value in collecting clear photographic videographic evidence.

686
00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:50.440
In and of itself, it's not
going to get the species listed. However,

687
00:46:51.920 --> 00:46:55.760
we believe it is our position,
our firm conviction, that photograph and

688
00:46:55.840 --> 00:47:05.000
film could then start a chain of
events that could then lead to definitive validation

689
00:47:05.599 --> 00:47:12.559
of the species. In other words, about bringing in others with resources,

690
00:47:12.559 --> 00:47:21.199
bringing in other people who can help, other people who can contribute and can

691
00:47:21.320 --> 00:47:27.280
help us, can help whoever facilitate
what needs to be done so the species

692
00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:32.199
can be formally documented and recognized.
So we believe there's great value in good

693
00:47:32.239 --> 00:47:36.719
photographs and family. And I don't
mean I don't mean blob squatches. I

694
00:47:36.760 --> 00:47:39.800
don't mean a photograph that's controversial.
I'm not talking about that. I'm talking

695
00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:45.679
about clear photographs where you have a
series of photographs, maybe a good thirty

696
00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:50.360
second video, as you would,
you know, a gorilla in the zoo.

697
00:47:50.639 --> 00:47:53.440
I'm talking about good, clear photographs. We think that's possible. I've

698
00:47:53.440 --> 00:47:57.199
seen these things a number of times, and I used to carry along gun.

699
00:47:57.239 --> 00:48:00.159
Now I carry a camera. I
believe I'm oftinit that I can get

700
00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:05.159
the next time I see one.
If I if I get another opportunity like

701
00:48:05.239 --> 00:48:08.199
I've had in the past, I'll
be able to get good film, good

702
00:48:08.199 --> 00:48:12.119
photographs film. I'm not trying to
get film, I'm trying to get photographs.

703
00:48:12.519 --> 00:48:15.400
But I can get good photographs,
I'm confident of, you know,

704
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:19.519
that is if I'm presented with another
opportunity. So we have now part of

705
00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:23.239
our organization it's called the Camera Corp
and those are those are people who are

706
00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:28.559
designated to get photographs and film.
We only have a small number of people

707
00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:32.480
who are actually designated as collectors.
They're specialists and they're highly trained at an

708
00:48:32.519 --> 00:48:37.400
extensive background. It's like maybe a
half dozen people out of a hundred that

709
00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:42.679
have that designation. And then a
large portion of the rest of the rest

710
00:48:42.679 --> 00:48:45.159
of the organization and is dedicated to
the Camera Corps. So, yes,

711
00:48:45.239 --> 00:48:47.559
it's going to take a body.
Unfortunately, I don't want to have to

712
00:48:47.599 --> 00:48:51.360
do it. Nobody really does.
Nobody does, none of us do.

713
00:48:51.800 --> 00:48:55.519
It's dirty, dirty business. And
unfortunately, like I said, we didn't

714
00:48:55.519 --> 00:48:59.400
make the rule because if we did, we'd set the bar as low as

715
00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:00.639
we could. You know, we
would have already met the bar if we

716
00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:05.480
if we made the rules, but
we didn't. The rules have a very

717
00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:07.880
high setting. It's a very high
standard, and it should. We're talking

718
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:13.119
about a species here that spies reason. Really, it's tough to wrap your

719
00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:15.719
mind around. And I was that
way before I saw one with my own

720
00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:19.280
eyes. It was even though I
heard all the stories growing up, even

721
00:49:19.320 --> 00:49:22.480
though I'd heard them all my life, it was difficult for me to wrap

722
00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:24.840
my mind around, and I didn't
fully until I saw one. At that

723
00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:28.039
point, that's when I said,
oh, my gosh, they aren't.

724
00:49:28.079 --> 00:49:30.960
We all gotta be kidding me.
Things are real, man, And it's

725
00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:34.559
just a matter of time. Because
I'm telling you, man, there is

726
00:49:34.599 --> 00:49:38.639
a troop of apes in area Eggs
and the Washington Mountains. And reasonable inference

727
00:49:38.679 --> 00:49:43.920
then tells us that if there is
one of those these troops in the Interior

728
00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:46.360
Highlands of North America, then there
are other areas in North America that have

729
00:49:46.480 --> 00:49:50.119
them as well. You know,
they got to the Interior Highlands, they

730
00:49:50.199 --> 00:49:52.000
must have you know, again,
it's a reasonable inference to say that they

731
00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:54.760
crossed the Bearing Land Bridge like every
other North you know, some of the

732
00:49:54.840 --> 00:50:00.119
other North American species, and they
made it this far into the middle of

733
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:02.880
the content. Gott to be in
the Northwest, you got to be in

734
00:50:02.920 --> 00:50:07.599
other places. People that just want
to turn their nose at this and just

735
00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:09.159
say it's silly, there's no way
these things can exist. I think they're

736
00:50:09.199 --> 00:50:14.079
just it's just heading the sand.
You know. For me, science is

737
00:50:14.119 --> 00:50:20.519
all about discovery. It's all about
inquisitiveness, curiosity, you know, seeing

738
00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:24.400
what's out there, seeing why can't
you just investigate it? It's certainly worthy

739
00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:29.920
of that when you have tens of
thousands of eyewitnesses. So anyway, I

740
00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:31.480
definitely agree, And that's what I
keep coming back to the whale, and

741
00:50:31.559 --> 00:50:36.599
I keep doing the show and document
as many encounters as possible because I too

742
00:50:36.639 --> 00:50:39.280
want to see those answers answered.
And I think we've had this sort of

743
00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:42.920
back and forth on the show over
the last six or eight months. I've

744
00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:45.239
been so frustrated with just the way
things are. Cliff and I kind of

745
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:49.920
had this conversation when I had him
on recently about the lack of or what

746
00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:54.280
appears to be a lack of real
forward progress with the subject in general,

747
00:50:54.400 --> 00:50:58.559
right, And I say, like
lack of evidence. And you know,

748
00:50:58.639 --> 00:51:00.920
Cliff of course caused me to the
car, and he's like, there's tons

749
00:51:00.920 --> 00:51:02.639
of evidence out there, Yeah,
but for most people like me who have

750
00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:06.679
never seen one of these things.
I've talked to so many people who have

751
00:51:06.719 --> 00:51:09.519
had those experiences, but I have
not, So we look at it as

752
00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:14.760
or we've used the inference on the
show so many times recently. The Patterson

753
00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:16.960
Gimblin film put us on the five
yard line back in nineteen sixty seven,

754
00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:21.639
and the ball hasn't really moved a
whole lot. There's a lot of shysters

755
00:51:21.639 --> 00:51:24.880
out there who fake videos and fake
evidence over the years. I mean,

756
00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:30.199
we've got the Freeman footage in addition
to the Patterson Gimblin film that I sort

757
00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:31.840
of hold up. There's sort of
one and two and the as far as

758
00:51:31.880 --> 00:51:37.760
the video footage or even photographic evidence
of these things are real, but outside

759
00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:39.239
of that, there's not a ton
of that. So I guess we'll close

760
00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:44.360
out there with as much time as
you guys have spent an area X and

761
00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:47.199
I think you said twelve maybe fifteen
years, you've been out there yourself and

762
00:51:47.199 --> 00:51:52.840
you've had these experiences, but there's
not a whole lot outside of that for

763
00:51:52.880 --> 00:51:55.639
people like me who've never had those
experiences to point to and say I can

764
00:51:55.719 --> 00:52:00.440
latch onto that and say these things
are absolutely real. So I guess question

765
00:52:00.639 --> 00:52:04.599
is that was a really long winded
question, So I'll simplify the easiest way

766
00:52:04.599 --> 00:52:07.360
to put it. I guess is, why do you think it is so

767
00:52:07.559 --> 00:52:15.239
difficult to capture what people would consider
good video or good photographic evidence that these

768
00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:17.360
things are out there? Why do
you think they're so elusive? Yet?

769
00:52:17.440 --> 00:52:21.159
I joke all the time on the
show, at least a couple of times

770
00:52:21.440 --> 00:52:23.039
a month, I'll have somebody reach
out to me and said, they almost

771
00:52:23.079 --> 00:52:28.000
hit one with a prius while it's
crossing the road. It's really this extreme

772
00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:30.599
polar opposites. You guys are out
there trying to find them for fifteen years,

773
00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:35.880
and there you've catched a three second
glance over the course of fifteen hundred

774
00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:38.280
hours. Yet Joe Schmo's driving to
work and he almost hits one with a

775
00:52:38.320 --> 00:52:44.559
prius. Why do you think it's
so difficult to capture the evidence that everybody's

776
00:52:44.639 --> 00:52:46.800
looking forward to answer that question?
I guess is the final question I have

777
00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:51.400
for you, Well, there aren't
that many people. Look, you have

778
00:52:51.480 --> 00:52:54.800
some people that go out occasionally for
two days, three days. There's nobody

779
00:52:54.800 --> 00:53:00.800
that's nobody other than us that are
out there conducting field studies the way that

780
00:53:00.880 --> 00:53:05.000
promatologists do or the known grade age
who go and spend months at a time

781
00:53:05.360 --> 00:53:09.159
out in the field without respite.
There's there's no concentrated effort, there's no

782
00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:15.639
funding, there's no there's no sort
of you know, widespread endeavor to study

783
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:21.159
the wood age. For the most
part, you can't get academia involved because,

784
00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:23.679
you know, because they're hindered by
you know, wanting to keep their

785
00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:30.760
tenure secured politics rather than the pursuit
of discovery. You know, it's again,

786
00:53:30.840 --> 00:53:37.840
there's there's there are no organizations that
have even anywhere close to the resources

787
00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:40.760
that we have. We're really the
only ones doing what we're doing, and

788
00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:45.039
it's not easy. We've never had
any sort of donor. Everything that we

789
00:53:45.079 --> 00:53:49.639
do is self funded and we don't
make any money. It costs us tens

790
00:53:49.719 --> 00:53:52.280
of thousands of dollars every year to
do what we're doing. We buy all

791
00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:55.079
our own equipment, we lease the
land that we're on. We all take

792
00:53:55.119 --> 00:54:01.239
time away from work from family and
what we're pursuing Brian. Unless you've experienced

793
00:54:01.239 --> 00:54:04.480
it, you can hear me say
this all day, but it's really not

794
00:54:04.519 --> 00:54:07.320
going to amount to much because again, unless you've experienced it, it's it's

795
00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:13.480
abstract. I mean, we're dealing
with a species that is extremely elusive,

796
00:54:14.159 --> 00:54:17.119
very intelligent, at least as intelligent
as orangs and chimps, at least as

797
00:54:17.119 --> 00:54:22.639
intelligent, at least the strength of
guerrillas, I'm sure, much more than

798
00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:29.199
that, as stealthy as a tiger
or mountain lion that lives in remote pockets

799
00:54:29.920 --> 00:54:34.199
in North America. The guy in
the prius, we hypothesize he's seeing a

800
00:54:34.199 --> 00:54:38.440
wayward young male that has left his
troop and is now going out to procreate.

801
00:54:38.840 --> 00:54:42.960
So, just like the other the
other great apes that you know,

802
00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:45.440
the young males, they leave the
troops, they go to find mates.

803
00:54:45.679 --> 00:54:49.320
That's probably what he's this person seeing
in the prius. Well, we have

804
00:54:49.400 --> 00:54:52.159
an area X, what we believe
is a refugim We believe we have the

805
00:54:52.239 --> 00:54:55.880
core. It's just like I don't
know if you've seen this documunity chimp empire

806
00:54:55.960 --> 00:55:00.480
they talk about on there. Unless
those chimps are clamated to you, you're

807
00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:04.760
not going to see them, You're
going to hear them, you're going to

808
00:55:04.760 --> 00:55:07.599
find their sign. Well, that's
what we find with these things, and

809
00:55:07.639 --> 00:55:10.119
when you do see them, it's
going to be very fleeting and it's going

810
00:55:10.159 --> 00:55:14.760
to be rare. And that's exactly
what we have with this thing. Again.

811
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Until we can get the conclusive proof, it's going to continue to remain

812
00:55:17.360 --> 00:55:22.280
this controversial subject. And until people
can just choose to get involved in this

813
00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:29.519
and not be bound by politics,
university politics, or institutional politics, then

814
00:55:29.639 --> 00:55:32.920
it's going to continue to remain this
way unless we can become fortunate and get

815
00:55:34.239 --> 00:55:37.239
and do what needs to be done. We've come very close. We've had

816
00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:39.719
at least two occasions where we actually
almost did collect a specimen, very very

817
00:55:39.719 --> 00:55:43.639
close. Some would say within a
quarter of an inch. You know,

818
00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:46.519
we've come that close. It seems, you know, logic seems to dictate

819
00:55:46.559 --> 00:55:50.199
that we can come close, we
can get you know, we can get

820
00:55:50.239 --> 00:55:53.199
that opportunity again, where certainly it's
not for lack of trying. We've got

821
00:55:53.440 --> 00:55:58.679
seventeen weeks lined up this year.
We're halfway through it now, We've had

822
00:55:58.719 --> 00:56:01.719
three fleeting visuals and we still got
eight nine weeks left and I'm going out

823
00:56:02.039 --> 00:56:05.840
a couple of weeks and then I'll
be going out again. You can rest

824
00:56:05.840 --> 00:56:09.239
assured that we're giving it everything we've
got. We're you know, our teams

825
00:56:09.360 --> 00:56:14.400
go out there and they work their
butts off. It's a very unforgiving,

826
00:56:14.480 --> 00:56:17.039
hostile environment. You know, running
water, there's no you don't have a

827
00:56:17.199 --> 00:56:20.639
c you know, you have an
outhouse. I mean, you know,

828
00:56:21.039 --> 00:56:24.480
it's it's just very primitive. And
we're out there for seven days and and

829
00:56:24.519 --> 00:56:27.960
it rains all the time, it's
hot, it's you know, ticks,

830
00:56:28.039 --> 00:56:31.320
snakes everywhere, black bears coming into
camp. And you've got these things you're

831
00:56:31.360 --> 00:56:34.280
dealing with. You've got, you
know, some of our guys. One

832
00:56:34.320 --> 00:56:37.440
of our guys got you know,
stocked by Mountain lion, you know,

833
00:56:37.559 --> 00:56:39.800
been charged by black bears. So
it's you know, it's not easy to

834
00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:43.599
do. I don't think the odds
are very high at all at all of

835
00:56:43.639 --> 00:56:46.440
anyone going out there for a day
or two and bringing back conclusive evidence.

836
00:56:46.719 --> 00:56:50.400
I'll just say it. I think
we offer the best, the best chance

837
00:56:50.519 --> 00:56:54.159
right now for the sasquatch to be
fully documented as a legitimate species until until

838
00:56:54.199 --> 00:57:00.960
somebody else gets involved. It has
has great resources and great numbers and organization

839
00:57:00.199 --> 00:57:05.679
and coordination. We're the only game
in town. Nobody wristwat That doesn't matter

840
00:57:05.719 --> 00:57:07.679
to me. It's just the way
it is. I mean, we're gonna

841
00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:09.480
be out there for four months straight. Who else can say that. That's

842
00:57:09.519 --> 00:57:14.199
every day, twenty four to seven, around the clock for four months straight.

843
00:57:14.360 --> 00:57:16.039
So we are collecting data. It's
not that no one's out there.

844
00:57:16.639 --> 00:57:21.679
There's no one out there collecting data. We are absolutely collecting data. Now.

845
00:57:21.880 --> 00:57:22.840
You know, we can have a
discussion about whether or not it's going

846
00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:25.639
to move the ball down the field. You know that's open to interpretation.

847
00:57:25.719 --> 00:57:30.400
But we just continue to collect mounds
and mounds of data. Again, you

848
00:57:30.400 --> 00:57:32.199
can go to our website. You
can hear the vocalizations. We've recorded those

849
00:57:32.239 --> 00:57:36.880
vocalizations. That's a form of evidence. Take those vocalizations, send them,

850
00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:38.800
send them to whoever, ask them
what they think they are. Send them

851
00:57:38.840 --> 00:57:42.599
to a promatologist, get their thoughts
on it, and they're gonna, I

852
00:57:42.679 --> 00:57:44.440
know where they're gonna tell you.
They're gonna tell you they don't know.

853
00:57:44.800 --> 00:57:46.440
And if you mention the Sasquatch,
they're probably not even gonna listen to them.

854
00:57:46.599 --> 00:57:49.679
If you can get one with an
open mind who will listen to them.

855
00:57:49.679 --> 00:57:51.320
They're gonna say, you know,
I don't know what that is.

856
00:57:51.639 --> 00:57:53.719
Those sound like gibbons, or that
sounds like a guerrilla or I'm not sure,

857
00:57:53.800 --> 00:57:57.559
I don't know what that is.
But anyway that those are my thoughts.

858
00:57:57.559 --> 00:58:00.440
I mean, it's just just shy
of being impossible to get this done

859
00:58:00.679 --> 00:58:07.360
based on the current state of what
all it takes to get this done and

860
00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:12.719
the shortage of people that are out
there doing it at the level that it

861
00:58:12.760 --> 00:58:16.400
needs to be done. Now,
if we had five or six in awacs

862
00:58:16.480 --> 00:58:22.559
across the continent committed to four and
five months every year, it's gonna happen,

863
00:58:22.599 --> 00:58:24.800
man, you know, using techniques
that we have been trying for the

864
00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:28.920
last ten to twelve years. That's
part of the problem too. In Area

865
00:58:29.199 --> 00:58:32.679
X, these apes are very smart. They learn just like we learn.

866
00:58:32.760 --> 00:58:37.400
So you teach them a trick,
they get keen to it, and chances

867
00:58:37.400 --> 00:58:39.360
are they're not going to respond to
it much, if at all, anymore

868
00:58:39.400 --> 00:58:42.760
in the future. Whereas if you
go to a new area that hasn't been

869
00:58:42.800 --> 00:58:45.000
exposed to some of the things we've
done, chances of success are going to

870
00:58:45.039 --> 00:58:47.800
be a lot greater. It's like
we wish we could go back in time,

871
00:58:49.519 --> 00:58:52.559
knowing what we know now, back
to twenty twelve, it'd be a

872
00:58:52.599 --> 00:58:55.159
different game. Well, I definitely
appreciate it, Darryl Callier. I'm glad

873
00:58:55.239 --> 00:58:59.159
you guys are out there doing what
you're doing. I sit behind the microphone

874
00:58:59.159 --> 00:59:01.239
and collect my dad so I don't
have to deal with the things that you

875
00:59:01.320 --> 00:59:05.079
do, and I am certainly glad
that you guys are out there doing it.

876
00:59:05.199 --> 00:59:07.840
Everybody, go and check out the
website. I have at linked in

877
00:59:07.880 --> 00:59:08.880
the show notes for you guys to
go over and check it out. You

878
00:59:08.880 --> 00:59:13.079
can check out some of those vocalizations
that Darrel's talked about and some of the

879
00:59:13.119 --> 00:59:15.079
other things that they've collected over the
years. Darrel, I really appreciate you

880
00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:19.000
taking time out of your schedule and
coming on the show. Man. I've

881
00:59:19.000 --> 00:59:21.199
had a blast. It's been an
honor to pleasure to have you on.

882
00:59:21.199 --> 00:59:23.239
It really asks my pleasure. Brian, thank you very much for having me.

883
00:59:24.639 --> 01:00:01.280
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884
01:00:01.559 --> 01:00:12.000
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885
01:00:14.199 --> 01:01:27.719
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