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on I toting and I was also
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David Flora. My name is David
Flora. My name is Dave Stecco.

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Any other questions? Do we make
it clear enough? If I get one

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more email addressed to Benjamin Flora,
I will lose my mind. I hope

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we can put an end to it. We get one at all addressed to

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Benjamin, how are you guys doing? Hm? Hmm, okay, that

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was too much overshared Dave. How
are you doing? I'm doing good.

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Well, I'm tired. I've been
uh packing up and moving out, lots

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of packing. I drive truckloads of
my possessions to Iowa, then I drive

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right back. So I'm really good
at driving. Haven't crashed at all.

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Good, pretty good at packing and
moving, not very good at getting enough

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sleep, but I'm really good at
podcasting. Do you have anything to sleep

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on these days? For this week? I do, But on Friday,

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I am moving all of my large
furniture like that will be the last real

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move. Everything else will be just
a bag with enough clothes for the week,

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just to finish out work and stuff. I think, because I can't

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live without it for a week.
I think I'll keep my computer on my

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desk. But the desk breaks down
totally flat, and that'll be that.

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It'll be that. Chicago, Yep, big f you to the second city.

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You're the third rate second city.
Second. So yeah, so that's

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that's my story. Well, I've
got a pretty sweet set up going on

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over at my new home in Iowa
City. You've got the luxury of planning

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out your recording space, yeah,
which is pretty great. Yeah, we've

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had to a simple our our stuff
on the on the fly, and yeah,

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it's been a Frankenstein it as we
go. It's been an iterative process.

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That's how i'd put that. That's
how that's how i'd put that.

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Uh. But you're not here to
hear about setting up a new no awarding

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space, and you're here to hear
some weird from some weird guys. Well,

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guess what your wish is coming true? Unlucky no extra lucky Laura.

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Yes, as I so often say, damn what they've one? Well,

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Dave, this episode, we're gonna
be talking about the dark web. WHOA.

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All right, So you're gonna have
some dark web. All right,

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First, you're gonna start with some
surface web. Okay, I know what

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you're thinking. That's not what I
came here for. We'll guess, Well,

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we gotta start somewhere. We're gonna
start at the surface web. Then

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boom, we're gonna crack through the
base and none of that. You think

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you're in the dark web, you're
wrong. You're in the deep web.

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You haven't gotten there yet. You
got to dig through a whole lot of

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deep web and then boom, there's
the rich chocolate. Decent of the doc

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web and chocolate. It is yeah, enough to kill a dog. Yeah,

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and that dog is called your sense
of innocence or your belief in human

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decency. Both. Lets you want
to you want to just dive in.

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Yeah, just let's just dip the
tip and let's just get it in there.

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That's better. Yeah, let us
gentlemen. That was the second version

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of that intro somehow, to my
mind, better than the first. Well,

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it was less subjectionable somehow, probably
not. This is this has been

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a listeners suggestion. In fact,
a few folks have asked us to go

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over it. So here we are
get into it, digging through it.

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Interesting stuff. It's something that I'm
not sure that a lot of people are

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aware of. Yeah, I think
that they are approximately aware of. It's

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something that comes up in the news
sometimes. Anyone who has ever heard a

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new story about like a silk road, you know that stuff will pop up.

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But I think past that, I
don't know. I think people know

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what's out there, but everyone it's
you know what, At least to my

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experience in college, it's like knowing
that there's drugs. In college, I

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didn't know anyone who had drugs.
I had no way of knowing how to

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get to drugs. That's how cool
I was in college. Yeah, And

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to me it's like that. It's
it's like, oh, I know it's

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out there, but I don't know
anyone who how would I how do you?

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Right? Right? Yeah? I
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that people don't hear a lot about, but when they do, it's kind

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of like, oh, yeah,
I believe that. You know what I

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mean, Okay, of course you
know the Internet. It's a huge thing.

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Yeah, the Internet itself in the
capital I Internet, something like um

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one billion individual websites now operate on
it or something like that. Really,

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you don't think that's true. No, it's just that's that's just sad.

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That's a tragedy. I'm disappointed to
hear that. I think of think of

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how many pages those sides have too
in GeoCities, how much black pages with

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white text? Oh? Too much? One is too much. I mean.

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In today's internet world, you can
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watch, or learn about. But
the Internet we see and use every day

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is just a part of a larger
network structure, one most people, like

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we said, never think about or
know that they even use. Yeah,

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the Internet is so much bigger than
you might think, and this vastness of

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size makes it relatively simple to hide
data and fly under the radar. Yep.

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The ease of dodging search engines and
perhaps even government agencies and businesses has

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also led some folks to believe the
underbelly of the Internet holds a breadth of

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shadowy dealings and sinister activity, a
breadth, A breadth that's like a breath

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and bread yet the same time delicious
chance and necessary necessary for life. Drug

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running, counterfeiting, human trafficking,
child pornography, hitmen for higher terrorist sales,

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and dogs and cats living together and
even murtherer theater, oh are allegedly

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rampant there. Some people even think
at the very deepest part of it,

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a homicidal psychopathic artificial intelligence lives and
controls more of the world each day.

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Whoa is? What? That is? That? What's responsible for the juggalos?

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Psychopathic computer AI? What? What? That's what's his name? Krunkut

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Crunt, That's that's just that's all
crunt. That's all, It's just that's

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it's just crunt. At the very
bottom of the Internet, Well, there's

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nothing but Crunt, if do you
if I haven't said it before, I

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feel like I have do yourself a
favor. Google Crunt k r u n

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T. He's the world world's best
to juggalo who tries to scare you.

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But guess what, He's still got
some emotional and sexual stuff to work out

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and it's all going to come out. It's just one of Dave's favorite videos

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of all time, easily top five
Internet and I don't know what could possibly

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kick it out of there, puppies. So if you start looking into this

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supposedly seedy sector, you'll hear terms
like deep web, shadow web, mariannas

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Web, and dark web BA Mariano's
Web Mariano's which is really just a web

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ring of Italian restaurants and coupon sources
to grocery stores. Yeah, and what's

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more unnerving than the bottom of the
ocean floor of the Internet. We currently

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have limited, if any technology to
dive down and observe and record what might

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be lurking down there. Are you
guys getting this metaphor? Because we are

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running with it, just waiting to
drag us to horrors unknown to mankind.

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We'll be climbing inside a digital bathist
escape. I hope we don't get the

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binary bends upon our surfacing from this
deep underwater metaphor. It could be anything

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and might be everything, or so
the legends go. Yeah, we'll be

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strapping ourselves into the submersible rationality and
diving into the murky depths of misconceptions bapiscape

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to find out just what the dark
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that and the deep web and what
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get to the fact behind the fiction. We're not even in that category this

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year, are we We're always in
that category. Oh, I don't know.

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I mean, I don't know full
guess what I love not paying attention

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to. All Right, let's let's
let's get back to where some of the

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stuff started. I mean, that's
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Well, you didn't have to go
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for that, which I don't.
I wish I could. I was in

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junior high in in nineteen ninety.
It's fifteen years old. I'd already killed

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two men. I was on the
run. You've written this before for one

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of your fantasy football I think I
may have that that's story may have got

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into a fantasy football post, which
is which is why we're offering the blurry

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photos Fantasy football League. We're terrible
a football, but boy, we like

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to spinny yarn man. I wonder
if the nineties were as she as today's

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seems. What if we were our
age in the nineties that we are right

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now. I wonder if and we're
dialed into, like, you know,

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what's going on in the world and
politics and threats to humanity and in the

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environment and stuff, like everything in
the nineties was awesome exactly. That's what

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I'm saying. You're like, no, I don't want to go back there.

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That's what I'm That's why I'm like, yeah, oh I go back

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there. I don't want to go
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with some real with some obvious exceptions. It's an entire decade, some

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obvious inceptions, with some rubious humbleptions
connections. The music in the nineties was

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terrible. Jesus, yep, that's
the reason to stay here. I have

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more reasons. Oh okay, uh
food, what po bad? Uh?

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Could you with the knowledge you have
now go back to the nineties and enjoy

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video games with the exception of the
Nintendo sixty four, which is ever green

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and perfect. Super Nintendo was great. I loved Super Nintendo. I don't

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know. I'll say this, I
wouldn't want to go back. You can

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stay here and burn God. But
oh man, so does that mean that

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you'd like buy shares in Yahoo,
sell them, buy them again, sell

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them again, or use your Yahoo
shares to buy Google shares or just hang

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out? What We'll just buy Google? At that point, it wasn't that

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huge, Well couldn't you. I
think you would have to because Google didn't

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go public until it was already like
Google with a capital G. So you'd

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have to like hang out with those
guys. I guess if I went back

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to the nineties, I'd become a
computer nerd, Like I'd have to dogie

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howser it and then and then just
like hang out near those guys so that

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they had to hire me to work
at their gurgle. That's that's our episode

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though. Yeah, what would we
do? Jesus, what a dumb would

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we do in this decade? What
a bunch of tragic speculation? And I

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know I because you guys are way
more clever than we are in the in

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the moment, like the emails,
I'm gonna get like, really, that's

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the best you could come up with, you two birds in the moment.

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Yes, that's the best we could
come up with. Well, when you

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finish your time machine, I'll sit
down and really think about it and we'll

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have a better plan. I just
I don't I don't know. The thing

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that I get hung up on is
what I enjoy it as much as I

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did when you know, when I
was younger, because I definitely did not

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give a shit about politics or the
world or however thing was tied together.

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I'd probably go to a ton of
rukassault concerts, okay and Tiger Trap,

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say, some of the music was
pretty good. But what was going on

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back in the nineties is that the
US intelligence operations we're looking for a way

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to hide all of the president's blowjays, blows like you, I know you

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committed in an uncommitted all at once. The key is to thread the needle

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and only disguise the least offensive words. That's what's hard about it. I

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think I think I would have opted
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all right, sounds like I get
it all right. No, they were

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looking for a way to protect online
communications since online activities can and probably are

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tracked and recorded and therefore traceable.
Yeah, I mean back when al Gore

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was busy in the in his blacksmith
shop hammering out with hot iron and tongs

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and a hammer. The architecture of
the Internet, like anonymity or privacy just

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didn't enter into the picture whatsoever.
No one gave a f They were like,

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I don't know, just make it
work. It's just for you know,

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universities or military bases to talk to
each other. Who why would that

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have to be private? Slide whistle
sound. Now. The problem that this

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created that they figured out pretty quickly, since they had built a network architecture

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that had little to no ability to
provide privacy. There were things, you

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know, the sender and receiver of
data could be traced and you could figure

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out who said what and to whom. Well, it's the United States freaking

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government. They instantly were like,
uh, what if we want to use

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this to not let anybody know where
that's happening? We want to spy on

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people. The problem being well,
we just built the inner and it's built

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and it's out there now and it's
done. So how do you solve this

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problem. The only way the government
could, We'll build another NetWorld to take

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end. So the Naval Research Laboratory
developed a system which quote allowed for bidirectional

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communications over the Internet where the source
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Uh yeah. So this this new
system, they built what it's called

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an overlay network. It sits upon
the existing architecture, but it is it

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is instead of things going from A
to C, you can send things from

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A to B, B to C. Now now you've disguised you've altered that

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midpoint. We were just talking about
the midpoint that everybody can see. Yeah,

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you've you've that midpoint. You've moved
it out of the the the Internet

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that everyone knows and moved it into
this overlay network. Yeah, the SAVAN

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Delay network. With a little boost
from DARPA. Nineteen ninety seven, they

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set up what was known as the
Onion Routing Project, which will will explain

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in detail in just a bit.
This is also shortened to t O R

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which everybody just says tour yep.
And they launched that in September of two

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thousand and two, and I think
I think, yeah, I think everyone

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with that passing knowledge of how this
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There is a tour here, tour
in thore. I didn't Yeah,

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I didn't know a thing about Tour
until I did this research. I knew

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that to get to access the dark
Web you had to have a tour client

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because it was the only way to
mask your access. And yeah, I

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knew that. And literally that is
where that sidewalk ends. Obviously, as

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a government created network for anonymity that
only the government had access to, the

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anonymity soon became moot as people could
tell when connections came from that network,

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so they decided to open it up
to everyone to create true anonymity. So

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what would happen is if they've got
this this built over, this overlay network

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that they're using to anonymously access regular
websites and things like that, well those

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websites still see the requests for data
even if they don't know where they came

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from, even if it's anonymous.
So suddenly they're getting all these requests for

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data that are coming from these anonymous
sources. And if the United States government

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is the only people who has access
to this, well then then they know

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exactly who the hell's doing it?
Do you just want a free look from

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the fbhid? Right, So it's
that there's health No one knows. It's

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totally anonymous. But I'm the only
one who knows how to make their signal

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anonymous. But who knows, you
know. And so to fix this,

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they had to to hide their shark
in the water. They had to fill

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the tank with other sharks, they
had to bring all they had to make

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it public. They had to allow
the public access to this, to fill

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the channel with functionally background noise,
to have all these tons and tons of

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requests so you don't know which one
was from an entity seeking information. One

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was just from seventeen year old in
Boise. Yeah, the great town.

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But yeah, a great town for
Laura. A great town but with good,

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good people that deserve fun podcast entertainment, all right. Tour is probably

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the best known overlay network routing network
out there. But there are a bunch

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like a bunch. Yeah, So
let's get familiar with the terms that you're

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going to hear in this realm,
such as deep web, dark web,

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dark net, meat meat web,
meet wad, and frylock. There is

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a difference between deep and dark web. Yes, although people commonly use one

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for the other. Those people are
idiots. They're wrong dummies. You'll find

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tons of infographics showing it all as
an iceberg. I don't know if you

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you saw that, but did.
There's just picture after picture of It's like,

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this is the layer that you can
see, this is the layer under

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the surface. This is the part
that sinks ships. Yeah, this is

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the part that's made up entirely of
loose lips. And this is where the

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heart of the sea lie. Oh
yeah, that's stupid old lady chucked it

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over the side. Stupid old lady. I hope that she enjoys her active

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emotional closure when she can't afford her
house payments when she gets back to land

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because she didn't know she's going to
die. Then spoilers that old bitch dies

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and they cut medicare, probably because
Bill Paxson saw her chuck that amulet and

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was like, I'm gonna make it
look like an accident, you greasy old

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bag. I wish James Cameron had
called me for advice about them. It

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turns out that the ship captain it's
still Bill Paxson's character from Weird Sciences.

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He's Chet the Apple God I'm gonna
let us get through this episode. Let's

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start with Tour. Yeah, we
just talked about it again, the onion

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router, Davos, the overlay network. WHOA, No. But more specifically,

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it's encryption in the application layer of
a communication protocol stack, nested like

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the layers of an onion. WHOA, why don't you back that truck up

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and run over this raccoon one more
time? Really, because I don't think

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running over it's going to do any
anything. Tour encrypts the data, including

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the destination IP address, multiple times, and sends it through a virtual circuit

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comprising successive randomly selected Tour relays.
Each relay decrypts a layer of encryption to

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reveal only the next relay in the
circuit in order to pass the remaining encrypted

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data onto it. The final relay
decrypts the innermost layer of encryption and sends

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the original data to its destination without
revealing or even knowing the source IP address.

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Wow, so we'll give you a
minute to uncross your eyes. Right.

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So that's that's that's a brilliant solution
of the problem. So at each

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juncture, the data data being carried
is never revealed, only the next location

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where the data is being routed,
and it is only in that last So

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if you wanted to trace data from
one of these tour connections, you could

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only trace it to the previous node
where it was decrypted and revealed before being

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sent. So you're really only going
to get one, you know. I

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don't know how many times it goes
through this process, probably hundreds, but

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you're you're certainly never going to get
back to the source of it. Yeah,

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which is pretty brilliant. I like
to think of it as a house

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probably made of pumpkins. I mean, you know, but it's got like

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six doors on the outside to get
in, so it randomly chooses one of

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those doors to walk inside. And
then there's a room with six doors on

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it, and it randomly chooses one
of those doors to go in, and

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then there's another room with six doors
on So it's like but it never says,

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oh, I came in from door
number two on that room, and

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I came in from door number five
on the outside. You only know work.

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You only see it, like open
the door and come in. I

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would say that it's like a Tutsie
pop where the Tutsi roll center is the

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data and it just keeps handing that
pop to people and they just lick a

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little bit off, and then once
they lick it, they know who to

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give it to now, and each
person licks it and then knows who to

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give it to, And finally the
last person gets just to taste to titsy

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and knows that the next person to
give it to is who's supposed to go

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to. And that person says thanks
for doing all the hard work and just

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nibbles that sweet chewy chocolatey thanner canny
chat dot org, everybody Facebook page.

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Yeah, so that's what tour is. Yep. And let's talk about the

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dark net and clear net. Let's
just talk about this. I do love

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it because it's this isn't This is
firmly in the realm of the nerds in

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computer times that things have dramatic knemes, overly dramatic names. Dark net.

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Yeah, you couldn't just call it
the alt net. You couldn't call it

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the the other net. No,
this has this is the dark net,

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neck beer, and it's not the
light net. It's the clear net right

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too. Yeah, but it's because
you can see everything tours how you get

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into a dark net. Yeah,
it's it's the access point and it's it

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doesn't like you said before, it
doesn't have to be. It's much the

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same way you have. You kind
of have your choice of of of search

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h thank you, much like you
have the choice of search engines now you

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you could use Google or Dahoo or
as jeeves. There are multiple clients that

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do this exact same thing. I
would say tours by far the most popular.

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Sure, it's like the Google of
routing. Yeah, exactly. Um.

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and that's what makes them dark nets. Yeah, and the opposite being

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sce webs which is a surface web, which is an unencrypted network, or

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clear net yeah, or clearweb.
This is my bad. I've written I've

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written clearweb and clear neet on here, and now I'm confused. Here's the

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thing, there's no difference. It's
just like who said what. Some people

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like to say Internet, some people
like to say the Worldwide webs. Yeah,

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it's don't matter, it's clear,
it's clear and since it's darknet,

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I guess we'll go with clear neet. But that's that's the an unencrypted network

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or what's known as the surface web, which is anything you can access through

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a search engine on John Q computer, yep Q computer, Google's I have

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saw ron can land upon is on
the clearnet right, which is also known

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as the surface web. Search engines
index data and locate, slash, follow

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domains and hyperlinks to find results.
Are you still with us? Guys?

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You guys doing all right? It'll
it'll, it'll get better, and it'll

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really piss you off soon. We
probably let me help you out. Let

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me help you out, all right? Oh, got the bit of that

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accent right now? Well, it's
token back computers and intranets and dark webs

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all right now, we're back to
it. Is that good little taste?

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Yeah, that's what they come here
for, right you drive us Richard dreyfith

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here that's what they actually come out
from. Um now, from what I

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read, it's estimated that only zero
point zero three percent of the Internet is

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accessible via search engines right now,
real quick, I want to point out

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that this number is a popular number
to throw out there in this research.

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I saw it for this for that
that search engines can only access point oh

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three percent of the Internet. And
I also saw it in another place that

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said point oh three was the percentage
of the dark web that's used for nefarious

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stuff. So it's like a fun, weird number that everyone keeps picking.

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Yeah they so, so forgive us
if if if you find out it's point

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seven percent of the Internet, We're
not going to the penalty box. You

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can just suck it. Well,
not not going and I don't care if

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the number is different, but then
go to jail for it, won't do

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it. Uh So, So that
begs obviously the question is what are we

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doing with the other ninety nine and
change percent of the of the Internet.

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And that leads us into questions of
the deep well, which is also hidden,

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but not quite so nefariously. Sure, this is um things that are

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behind paywalls. It's really it's all
of the clear net that that Google can't

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quite put its thumb on. But
it's it's data. It's um back pages

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for uh a tumbler um, all
of the all the information that isn't necessarily

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posted on the page, but all
the extra data for image files and and

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audio things and all those bits and
pieces that bake up the Internet that aren't

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what's really on display upfront. Yeah, and basically it's just the part of

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the web that's not indexed by search
engines. Yeah, yeah, you can't

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go straight to it and uh and
search engines aren't going to look for it.

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So and as you can imagine,
Yeah, that is the biggest part

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of the Internet. Yeah, also
called invisible or hidden web. And like

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you said, it's it's password protected
stuff. Banking, Netflix, streaming services,

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things like that are are on their
unlisted web pages, anything that's not

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publicly accessible, meaning it's a fucking
huge place. I wonder what the what

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the percentage of web traffic is just
Netflix. Oh I don't I mean,

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I don't think it's like sixty,
but I mean I wouldn't be surprised to

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see it like in the teens.
Sure, yeah, I think it's I

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think gets taken a big piece of
that pie. Seems like that's a it's

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a common thing to have nowadays.
That's just a guess. I don't know.

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But to my mind, if I
was on a game show and they

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ask, that's what I would say. Those of you who are five dollars

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patrons for our Patreon and got our
Chrono Knots episode, that's a deep web.

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Yeah, I sent you an unlisted
place. Oh look at you dabbling

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in the deep Web, drawing our
listeners into a world of shadow deep web,

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dangling candy of the chrono knots getting
to unmarked digital van Now y'are spars.

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It's very exciting. That's you're in
the deep web. Yep, you're

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in the deep web. Now get
your water wings playing with the big boys,

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now, okay, Prince of Egypt. It was estimated in two thousand

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and one to be around five hundred
times larger than the surface web. That's

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fifteen years ago, bra, So
God only knows how big it is now.

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I don't think even God knows.
He ain't talent. There's so much

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information contained there and search engine simply
can't sift through enough of the of the

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data to bring meaningful parts to the
surface. So and that's why you hear

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all that about SEO search engine optimization. Yeah, it is. It is

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an attempt to lift your data to
the top of the flotsam pile in the

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section of the clear net that is
searchable and indexed by Google. So you're

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you're you're fighting against every other piece
of data to make yours more relevant to

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a search engine. Yeah, and
that people pay a ton of money for

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that. Yet that you can get
I guess certified or just be a search

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engine optimization person. Yeah, you
know you can. You can get it

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there and advise companies on how to
how to do that, you know,

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how to make their websites better and
stuff. It's crazy. We have it

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on our word press. Yeah,
that's why we always all of our tweets

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have a hashtag metallic because that just
helps hashtag boobs, hashtag for twenty blaze

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it yes, oh yeah, hashtag
RM still relevant. Yeah, actually still

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you would be amazed. This guy's
really still draw a lot on the Internet.

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So then underneath this gigantic layer of
of inaccessible fat that will call the

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deep web lives the dark web.
Now, this is the ship that's buried

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on purpose. This is addresses that
Tour can locate that are deliberately set for

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only anonymous connection. You cannot use
your regular browser and ever get to these

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things. It's only for Tour connections
or some specific yes, or or a

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similar client. Yeah. Um,
and so you can. And there are

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search engines within there was what was
the one that was it? Duc duct

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God, Yeah, I've used that
before. Yeah, it's just it's just

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a search engine. Yeah, and
you don't need to software to get to

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dog go, right, it's just
living there and it's it's untraceable, like

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it doesn't store any of your search
information. Yeah, so that's that's all

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that is. So that is where
people are listing their their their web their

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sites and or more accurately, their
services because they're yeah, and and I

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mean, and some of them are
totally legit. They're just people who don't

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want anybody knowing who's coming or going. Some people just don't like that.

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I get it, it makes sense
to me, but I mean, the

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point being is that there's a lot
of very big websites that have a presence

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on the dark Web that you can
access through that they they want to beat

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money, and you know, it's
also a little more secure for them,

405
00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:45.640
exactly. Some people like that extra
level of security of everything being anonymous.

406
00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:48.960
They don't want anyone knowing what they're
buying and when they're buying it and having

407
00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:53.400
ads tailored into their brain. Um. And so there's a section of it

408
00:31:53.440 --> 00:32:00.039
that's totally legit and legal, and
there is another whole section of it,

409
00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:02.200
and we're gonna get to it in
a bit, but it's where all the

410
00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:07.599
murder is for higher and the drugs
that fuel the murders, and also the

411
00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:13.039
videos of the person committing the drug
field murders. Yeah. Yeah, it's

412
00:32:13.599 --> 00:32:16.079
it's made out to be a pretty
sinister place, the old dark Web.

413
00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:21.279
Yeah, but it's the thing that
I don't want to jump jump ahead on

414
00:32:21.319 --> 00:32:23.240
it. But the thing that I
like about the dark Web it's just like

415
00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:27.720
the regular Web. It's my favorite
part of it, except that you need

416
00:32:27.799 --> 00:32:31.039
specific software to access it. Right, But I mean when I say that

417
00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:35.799
it's just like the regular Web,
it's it's it's not like, oh you

418
00:32:35.960 --> 00:32:40.039
downloaded tour well, welcome, welcome, neo, you've crossed over. Everyone's

419
00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:45.240
just as shitty and pill yeah.
Yeah, And people are just as inclined

420
00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:47.279
to lie to you and steal your
money on the on that side of the

421
00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:51.759
web as they are anywhere else,
more inclined because you have less recourse.

422
00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:53.559
So that is true. I do
enjoy that part of it. Well,

423
00:32:53.599 --> 00:33:00.359
we'll get to it. So then
under the dark Web is another report parted

424
00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:07.200
layer where only the most hackerman of
neckbeards can dwell. You're only allowed to

425
00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:10.240
sit at your compute. You have
to be wearing your guy fox mask and

426
00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:15.240
a trilby and a Trilby, and
make sure you turn the lights out and

427
00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:20.000
lock the door because Mom will come
out with chicken nuggets. Magic the Gathering

428
00:33:20.079 --> 00:33:22.279
mouse pad, all right, knock
that some more at all. I like

429
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:25.839
Magic the Gathering. But listen,
I'm painting a picture and in the dark

430
00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:30.160
light, you can just make out
the edges of my little pony friendship his

431
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:34.400
magic poster on the wall. I
don't get that. I've never gotten that

432
00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:38.279
now it's because you're a functioning him
and be okay, um, I apologize.

433
00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:43.880
I apologize to her, my apologize. I apologize to the browny contingent.

434
00:33:44.119 --> 00:33:47.920
I don't understand your lifestyleingent. I
don't understand their lifestyle that until like

435
00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:52.240
the last few years. I mean, maybe it's that new, but I've

436
00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:57.240
never known anybody. Okay, we're
sorry. We are definitely too old.

437
00:33:57.279 --> 00:34:01.039
I promise you that. Okay,
uh, I'm sorry about stepping on the

438
00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:07.880
portrait that you were painting. This
was a beautiful word mural. Back to

439
00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:13.360
my word mural, mouth quilt,
mouth quilt. Underneath that lies the merry

440
00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:20.280
honest web allegedly, which is the
quote seabed of the deep web, because

441
00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:23.039
Mike, that was what I called
it. He just quoted me. Yeah,

442
00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:27.800
I quote I quote Flora on that. It's because boy, there's You're

443
00:34:27.880 --> 00:34:30.920
right that the nautical metaphor just never
runs out of steam. Um. It's

444
00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:37.039
said to be the where all the
highly classified, uh super secret and I'm

445
00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:43.559
talking like recipe for chicken in a
bucket, location for recipe. Yeah,

446
00:34:43.559 --> 00:34:47.639
the location of Atlantis. Uh,
that's Tesla's living down there with all of

447
00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:53.639
his He's a digital entity now everything. Uh, it could doctor peppers h

448
00:34:54.280 --> 00:35:00.480
oh yeah, twenty three herbs and
spices and spices, and could be the

449
00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:08.039
location of not another network, but
of an actual AI called Cameo. Cameo

450
00:35:08.360 --> 00:35:14.119
c A I M EO. Yeah. Sure, and that's that AI's name.

451
00:35:14.280 --> 00:35:19.480
Oh uh who that was brought to
sentience by the collective consciousness of four

452
00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:23.119
chan and nine gag. They made
it horrible, baby that no one could

453
00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:27.840
draw. Somebody wrote in to us
about four chan and we'll be getting to

454
00:35:27.880 --> 00:35:35.800
that and listener mail but oh can't
wait, can't wait? Okay, um,

455
00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:39.239
but yeah, like that, just
the the weight of all that digital

456
00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:45.119
information bearing down on this burgeoning AI
made it self aware or sentient maybe,

457
00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:49.800
Yeah, and it's gonna fuck up
the Internet. And it's where you get

458
00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:53.400
ninan cat and um all kinds of
memes. He's a meme generator. I

459
00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:58.880
don't made that part up. Well, I believe it, although I I

460
00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:01.320
wish you hadn't left out a couple
of more things that's uh, that's located

461
00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:07.079
in the mariannae Web, like,
um, you know, Vatican documents and

462
00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:12.559
Illuminati rights and the reason why you
suck? Do you wish? Do you

463
00:36:13.039 --> 00:36:17.960
wish I hadn't left those out?
The pantsize of your mom. My mom

464
00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:22.320
is trim, she works out now, just the collective your mom, Yeah,

465
00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:27.880
Carl Jung's your mom. That makes
it worse. Wow. So there

466
00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:31.920
could be a highly evolved AI down
there. Huh, that's the rumor.

467
00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:39.760
Mariannas Web Yeah, named after the
Marianna Trench. Yeah. They just threw

468
00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:45.239
an s on there because I think
it's like revelation revelations. Yeah, let's

469
00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:50.079
uh, let's let's lead us into
the meaty center of this shepherd's pie.

470
00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:52.840
Yeah. Terror, Yeah, we're
gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna float

471
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:59.599
back up from the Mariannas Marianna Trench, however you like it. Marianna's Marianna's

472
00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:04.719
Barbecue Bar They've got good food there, he said, with the thousand yards

473
00:37:04.719 --> 00:37:08.960
stare of a weary man. It's
good food. It'll Sustainia'll get you through

474
00:37:09.039 --> 00:37:15.360
that that hard part of the day
called lunch. It'll nourish you, weak

475
00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:21.519
and withered body. Are you?
Are you asking for money or trying to

476
00:37:21.559 --> 00:37:28.400
bang me? Sir? Something in
the eyebrows has really keep trucking. So

477
00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:31.480
this is the theory that the dark
web is the epicenter of the world's new

478
00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:37.320
criminal underground. You want it,
you can find it. Illicit drugs,

479
00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:45.719
child pornography, stolen credit card numbers, human trafficking, weapons, exotic cannibals,

480
00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:52.960
assassins, the spice, milange,
anything, and much of it's purchased

481
00:37:52.000 --> 00:38:00.840
with everyone's favorite digital bullshit Bitcoin,
well flora, Bitcoin a completely legitimate source

482
00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:06.880
of currency for anonymous transactions. How
much how much bitcoin did you get back

483
00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:09.159
in oh nine when it was super
cheap? How much bitcoin did you get?

484
00:38:09.199 --> 00:38:14.480
Brother? Because I got a bunch
of bitcoin now I'm rich. You

485
00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:16.599
you tried to get bitcoin and it
didn't work. I tried to mine a

486
00:38:16.639 --> 00:38:22.719
bitcoin and it didn't work. You
just you just ran the servers for all

487
00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:28.000
kinds of illicit pornography. That's all
you did. I downloaded the bitcoin mining

488
00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:32.199
client and I ran which is pornography, and I ran it for like four

489
00:38:32.239 --> 00:38:37.280
months, and and for it to
work you just have to look at pornography

490
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:39.880
for hours every day. The four
month thing is is you're not making that

491
00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:43.960
up. No, that's I did
run it for four months and I didn't

492
00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:47.360
get it believably well because I forgot. It was just running in the background

493
00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:51.599
forever. Yeah, but you should
get something. Yeah, I didn't four

494
00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:54.960
months. Like you could. You
could do the same thing for fucking SETI

495
00:38:55.320 --> 00:39:00.760
and at least know that you're contributing
to something there very true about you know

496
00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:02.800
what I think I'm about due to
read download SETTI at home. I like

497
00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:07.159
that they stop Setti. Is it
still going? Of course it's still going,

498
00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:09.000
all right, I don't know.
Actually, well, listen, Bitcoin,

499
00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:15.880
which you love, is basically an
encrypted digital currency. It's good for

500
00:39:16.039 --> 00:39:21.559
transactions of all kinds, but most
importantly, it also allows for anonymity.

501
00:39:21.599 --> 00:39:24.119
And it's just worth a ton.
You got it on time, Floria.

502
00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:30.639
No one can trace a purchase,
illegal or otherwise. So congrats, you

503
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:36.199
fake fucking cryptocurrency cuts. You created
digital de narrows at a thin air that

504
00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:39.559
allow children and other innocent people to
be bought and sold, molested, and

505
00:39:39.800 --> 00:39:47.199
trafficked by the most insanely despicable pieces
of fucking human trash juice the world has

506
00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:52.480
ever suffered. Way to go Bitcoin, Good job, everybody. What about

507
00:39:53.159 --> 00:39:58.159
the flat Earth? There's love bitcoin? Yep, they sure do. Yeah,

508
00:39:58.360 --> 00:40:02.920
that's how they buy all their fucking
albums, get them digitally through bitcoins.

509
00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:09.760
I want the currency created out of
fucking thin air, but no flora.

510
00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:15.000
I mean, there's some pretty solid
economic underpinning so those wise, it

511
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:17.920
wouldn't stick around. I mean,
poke, do you know that? Poke?

512
00:40:19.400 --> 00:40:22.280
Poke with a stick? Somebody,
Oh man, I don't even know

513
00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:30.119
where I'm Somebody took bitcoins and bought
World of Warcraft gold and then sold that

514
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:34.400
gold on the World of Warcraft market
back in the when it was going and

515
00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:37.920
made like a ton of money off
that. You just you make it up

516
00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:43.039
and then you scam people by giving
them this bullshit and then you get to

517
00:40:43.239 --> 00:40:46.440
and they laundered it through the World
of Warcraft. I don't I don't know

518
00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:50.400
how they got the bitcoin the first
place. Maybe they mined it, like

519
00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:55.360
like you you said, because at
first you didn't need to exchange actual American

520
00:40:55.400 --> 00:40:59.360
dollars for it. No bitcoin,
that was the thing by the time I

521
00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:07.199
tried it, Like bitcoin has a
function like as time goes by, bitcoins

522
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:09.159
are harder and harder to mind,
which is one of the reasons that they

523
00:41:09.159 --> 00:41:13.719
thought bitcoin was a scam because only
the people who were on the inner circle

524
00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:19.960
could mind bitcoins when it was easy. And then as time goes by us

525
00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:23.480
as more people get aware of it, the ability to extract bitcoins from these

526
00:41:23.559 --> 00:41:29.480
data chunks gets harder and harder and
hard What does that even mean? Mine

527
00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:36.440
bitcoin? Where the hell's the cave
that the bitcoins are are? It's propagating

528
00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:39.800
in that you take your digital fucking
pick acts and hack away at It's a

529
00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:46.559
giant chunk of of of a situation, and your computer has to solve sa

530
00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:52.519
equation. It is a big chunk
of numbered data that your computer has to

531
00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:58.480
sort through and solve. It's a
it's a very difficult math problem, and

532
00:41:58.519 --> 00:42:00.480
it takes your computer long time to
get through it, and it's churning through

533
00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:06.320
this this chunk of data, eroding
it until finally the bitcoin falls out of

534
00:42:06.320 --> 00:42:12.840
it. Bunny's ass, but what's
important is that they're worth a ton of

535
00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:16.920
money and you exchange them for things
as much as you like they're used.

536
00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:22.679
You should have gotten it's a dark
weib. You should have gotten someone getting

537
00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:27.280
was good. Should have ground floorida. You know what what's funny about this

538
00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:30.880
is that I understand why they use
it on the dark web, that you

539
00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:36.280
know it's completely anonymous and nobody can
track it because it's fucking fake. But

540
00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:42.840
how the fact that the minute they
translate that into real money or scam people

541
00:42:43.320 --> 00:42:47.320
into giving them money for it or
orcraft gold or whatever, that's when it's

542
00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:51.920
like, no, this has crossed
a line. So you're you don't care

543
00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:54.559
as long as as long as it
stays in this like nebulous digital realm.

544
00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:59.000
It's the part it's like monopoly.
It's like playing a monopoly at that's the

545
00:42:59.079 --> 00:43:02.280
part where Flynn comes back out of
the game grid on Tron and comes back

546
00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:05.480
to the real world. You're like, no, you get the back in

547
00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:07.800
there, Flynn, you're a fake
fucking currency and get out of here.

548
00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:10.760
I don't care how cool your fucking
arcade is. Nope, he can.

549
00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:14.960
He can come out and stuff.
It's just when he tries to use a

550
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:17.920
pie. He reaches by a coke
when he reaches into his e wallet,

551
00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:23.360
then it's yeah, and he throws
out a little cubes. They're just little

552
00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:28.000
cubes. And then he's like,
I'll tell I want a Snickers and a

553
00:43:28.039 --> 00:43:30.559
bottle of coke and they're like,
sorry, sir, we only have cans

554
00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:35.440
at this and oh man, I
love this because well, I mean,

555
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:38.039
but it's no different than like,
you know what about like those um what

556
00:43:38.119 --> 00:43:40.920
do they call him? The where
the where? The sad ladies on a

557
00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:46.159
bed and you just pay digital money
to have her douche? Is this entrapman?

558
00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:49.320
Are you trying to trap me?
And say no? But you know

559
00:43:49.360 --> 00:43:52.599
what I mean, there's the thing
on yes, cam girls, that was

560
00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:54.440
the phrase I was looking for.
That's all over the deep web, oh

561
00:43:54.519 --> 00:43:59.880
yeah, but yeah, but it's
also in the regular web where those people

562
00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:05.119
because you convert your money into like
a currency, right yeah, but it's

563
00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:07.159
it's just trying to get you to
confirm that I and no, I see

564
00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:10.440
what you're saying. But it's it's
like the games too. It's like freemium

565
00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:15.000
games where you can pay money to
get donuts. Yeah, the in game

566
00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:19.840
currency and stuff. But that was
too self contained. Though. You're right,

567
00:44:19.880 --> 00:44:22.079
You're right, because it's just it's
just direct money going in. It's

568
00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:28.239
as though if if if in one
of those games, you could earn credit

569
00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:31.519
towards a house. Yeah, well, you know things like Second Life,

570
00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:36.800
people sell real estate for a huge
amount of money, real world money.

571
00:44:36.920 --> 00:44:40.400
Um. Eve Online, Um,
you always hear those those stories. I

572
00:44:40.519 --> 00:44:44.280
never played the game. I've got
some friends who do. Apparently it is

573
00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:49.440
quite the hobby. Um. You
know where people will spend you know,

574
00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:53.280
ten twelve, eighteen months infiltrating a
company just to take it down from the

575
00:44:53.320 --> 00:44:59.079
inside, steal all their digital currency, and and I mean, and these

576
00:44:59.079 --> 00:45:02.599
things have real world values. There
are there are there are markets in which

577
00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:06.679
you can buy and sell things in
video games, and it exists for a

578
00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:08.920
lot of video games. Yeah,
but I see, I see what your

579
00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:13.719
what your issue is this? So
like even in a world of Warcraft eve

580
00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:19.840
online, people are putting money out
of their bank account into buying something online.

581
00:45:20.440 --> 00:45:22.880
You see the money go in,
and so when the money comes back

582
00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:25.000
out, who the cares? I
know where that you know that money started

583
00:45:25.039 --> 00:45:29.880
as living in the real world and
ended up in the real world. Is

584
00:45:29.920 --> 00:45:34.000
your is your objection that the money
is general. It's it's coming out of

585
00:45:34.039 --> 00:45:37.320
the digital world, and somehow it's
created in the digital world, yes,

586
00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:40.639
and coming out as real money.
But yeah, yeah, it's Are you

587
00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:44.800
sure it's you're just not mad that
you didn't get some like when the getting

588
00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:47.880
was good. I sure assure you
that is not the case. Ladies and

589
00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:51.719
gentlemen. I am your advocate here
and I am trying to get him as

590
00:45:51.800 --> 00:45:53.440
riled up as I can with this. I am doing everything I can to

591
00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:55.920
try to get him to flip out
more. People say, I know,

592
00:45:55.960 --> 00:46:01.400
it's fun. People might argue that, well, the bitcoin has to come

593
00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:05.719
from somewhere, somebody had to have
put a dollar amount in to get a

594
00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:07.880
bitcoin. No, no, that's
not the case, because, like you

595
00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:14.039
said, you can sit there and
mine or whatever and just think it's created.

596
00:46:14.360 --> 00:46:20.039
Yeah. Now, the saving grace
of this is that it's wildly fluctuates

597
00:46:20.199 --> 00:46:23.239
in price. It's not backed by
any country or government, right, and

598
00:46:23.280 --> 00:46:27.800
so you could spend a lot of
money to get a lot of bitcoins and

599
00:46:27.800 --> 00:46:30.239
then like the next day and they're
worthless. I have not read any of

600
00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:35.280
the articles, but there have been
a lot of headlines, and I think

601
00:46:36.440 --> 00:46:38.639
NPR's Planet Money just released an episode
about it. I haven't listened to you

602
00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:43.400
yet, but there's there's there's are
do ones going on with bitcoin. In

603
00:46:43.400 --> 00:46:46.199
the last month or so, I
thought it was dying. But here's the

604
00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:49.760
thing, Oh, I guess it's
not. Bitcoin is just like any other

605
00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:54.840
fiat currency. It's value lies in
the declaration of value that it lies in.

606
00:46:55.000 --> 00:46:59.519
So really, I mean, it's
just like all currency anymore, exactly.

607
00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:01.920
You know, there is no gold
standard anymore, but at least you

608
00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:09.480
have what resembles some kind of guidelines
or restrictions that are placed upon a government

609
00:47:09.519 --> 00:47:15.320
to create currency. If they want
to create more currency than they you know,

610
00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:19.320
they there's got to be some kind
of checks and balances to that well,

611
00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:22.719
and I would say that I would
argue that bitcoin has those maybe because

612
00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:27.280
because the rate at which you can
extract bitcoin, the amount of bitcoin is

613
00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:31.599
fixed, and the rate at which
more bitcoin is made available gets lower over

614
00:47:31.679 --> 00:47:36.440
time as more people are involved in
trying to extract it. But there's still

615
00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:40.199
nothing that backs it up in terms
of I don't even want to say capital.

616
00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:45.559
There's nothing that backs it up and
guarantees it a little bit. It

617
00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:47.880
isn't. Yeah, it's not,
which is why it can fluctuates so insanely.

618
00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:54.519
Anyway, because this episode is now
about bitcoin, gotcha, I just

619
00:47:54.559 --> 00:47:59.920
can't fish yet. God, that
was great. Let's see where were we?

620
00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:04.639
Oh yeah, fucking human trash juice. Yeah, and this stuff does

621
00:48:04.679 --> 00:48:07.280
happen. It's true, there is. You're gonna have to you're gonna have

622
00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:12.320
to remind people where we left eye
because we really went on a side tap

623
00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:20.360
with all with the child pornography,
the molest the molestation, all that stuff

624
00:48:21.079 --> 00:48:24.440
that is true. Yeah, there
is an unknown number of animal abuse and

625
00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:31.519
pedophile sites on the dark Web,
including communities where people share child pornography and

626
00:48:31.639 --> 00:48:37.559
even techniques on how to molest and
manipulate. And it is it is horrifying

627
00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:43.480
the numbers on this because the government, I mean like it's not like just

628
00:48:43.599 --> 00:48:46.559
because it's it's on the darknet that
no one can touch it. The government,

629
00:48:46.599 --> 00:48:52.320
like the like law enforcement agencies are
working in Yeah, you know they

630
00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:54.239
are. They are. It's it's
not the wild wild West and no one

631
00:48:54.320 --> 00:48:59.480
can do anything about it. Some
of these some of these child porn sites

632
00:48:59.559 --> 00:49:04.800
and rings when they're when they're taking
down, they don't have like five thousand

633
00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:10.280
members or ten thousand members, hundreds
of thousands, which is horrifying. Of

634
00:49:10.320 --> 00:49:16.199
thousands of walking, breathing logs of
fresh excrements. Yeah, that call themselves

635
00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:22.199
human beings that are are members of
these anonymous sites. Yeah, and you

636
00:49:22.239 --> 00:49:24.280
know what I mean, real quick
side note, because we need one,

637
00:49:24.559 --> 00:49:31.039
right, that's that's like the biggest
fear of a police state, a totalitarian

638
00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:37.039
state government is that the cops could
barge into your house, slap some cuffs

639
00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:42.599
on you, throw you in jail
or or god knows where in Chicago.

640
00:49:42.960 --> 00:49:45.920
You'll never be heard from again because
that that's happened. Yeah. What is

641
00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:50.039
that called the hot hot home in
house. Yeah, something like that.

642
00:49:50.320 --> 00:49:52.960
Yeah, but they can just barge
in here, throw you in jail,

643
00:49:53.119 --> 00:49:59.239
and then afterwards plant a bunch of
child porn on your computer and then say

644
00:49:59.280 --> 00:50:01.519
that you're a you're a child molester, and then you know, of course

645
00:50:01.559 --> 00:50:07.079
the media sniffs up that, and
that's that's like, that's a side note

646
00:50:07.079 --> 00:50:08.760
that has another to do it.
I feel I feel like you started with

647
00:50:08.840 --> 00:50:13.119
something and then and then then you
then it took sort of a really you

648
00:50:13.159 --> 00:50:17.480
don't think that that's like the easiest
way for if they want to imprison somebody,

649
00:50:17.880 --> 00:50:22.079
they just they put child porn on
their their computers. Wouldn't it be

650
00:50:22.079 --> 00:50:24.519
easier just to drop a bag of
heroin next to them? They could do

651
00:50:24.559 --> 00:50:29.360
that. Yeah, I'm just But
if it's a person who has no drug

652
00:50:29.480 --> 00:50:32.920
history or use, or doesn't seem
like a heroin addict, I think child

653
00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:37.280
porns their go to I don't know. That just freaks me out. And

654
00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:43.559
that's a totalitarian state, and that's
that's your fascist minute. The more you

655
00:50:43.599 --> 00:50:50.079
know, super below sound it is
such a thing even possible? Yes it

656
00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:54.440
is, Maybe it is. I'm
trying to get the sound effects going.

657
00:50:54.559 --> 00:51:00.920
A researcher for Cracked spent months undercover
in one of these uh to file communities

658
00:51:00.960 --> 00:51:06.880
and was naturally horrified by her experience. It's unbelievable. I wouldn't do that.

659
00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:09.000
I don't care what my job is. Yeah, because that shit's in

660
00:51:09.039 --> 00:51:13.400
your head and it's never leaving.
Yeah, I can't. I can't fathom

661
00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:17.400
it. I just I can't come
to terms with it makes no sense to

662
00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:22.199
me. How and for there to
be so many people that are this sick?

663
00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:24.159
And how do you be? How
do you how do you be a

664
00:51:24.199 --> 00:51:30.440
police? Officer, How do you
do your job as an underconvert investigator like

665
00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:34.960
earning? You really have to want
to catch these acts, right, because

666
00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:38.440
you have to like earn people's trust, right, you have to go along

667
00:51:38.480 --> 00:51:46.599
with what you're seeing in slight that
they have handbooks for this. It's unbelievable.

668
00:51:47.519 --> 00:51:52.559
I just I can't. I can't
fathom it. I cannot even put

669
00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:58.159
myself in in the shoes of someone
who finds a child sexually appealing. You

670
00:51:58.159 --> 00:52:01.559
know what I mean? Yes,
I do, I hope so. Yeah.

671
00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:07.599
I loudly and clearly agree with your
antipathy. I almost feel like the

672
00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:12.320
lady doth protest too much at this
point, but I mean, I'm sorry,

673
00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:16.599
I'll protest that. Yeah, that's
it's just gross, it's sickening.

674
00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:22.199
But if you U, if you
want to buy somebody's identity from their HBO

675
00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:25.840
go password to their social Security number
and the name of their first pet,

676
00:52:27.440 --> 00:52:30.440
you can do so for pennies,
I mean, not like a specific person.

677
00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:34.679
You know, you can people buy
lists, you know. I mean,

678
00:52:34.760 --> 00:52:37.360
I don't. I just don't want
to oversell like the It's not like

679
00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:40.039
somebody seeking you out. Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean, but people

680
00:52:40.119 --> 00:52:46.679
do sell I mean people all those
um uh skimmers, those digital information skimmers

681
00:52:46.719 --> 00:52:51.440
they put on ATMs. This is
how those people monetize that they have all

682
00:52:51.480 --> 00:52:54.639
this data. They have numbers and
pin pin codes. Yeah, it's not

683
00:52:54.679 --> 00:53:00.119
like they then go to an ATM. They sell that information on the dark

684
00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:01.840
web. This is where you get
you know, there are lists of people,

685
00:53:01.920 --> 00:53:07.960
social security numbers, for identity,
theft, bank account information. This,

686
00:53:07.039 --> 00:53:10.880
say, is where all that all
that information is exchanged and monetized.

687
00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:16.760
Crazy drugs yep, yep, of
course easy. The Silk Road yep was

688
00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:22.199
a darknet market, perhaps the most
famous online black market out there. Yeah,

689
00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:23.800
I think easily the most famous.
I think. I think that if

690
00:53:23.880 --> 00:53:29.079
if you asked a thousand people name
one thing on the dark web, they

691
00:53:29.079 --> 00:53:31.639
would all say that. Well,
actually somebody would apparently out of those thousand

692
00:53:31.639 --> 00:53:36.360
people, like a couple of hundred
would say kitty porn sites, I guess.

693
00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:40.280
But but yeah, this was This
was site where drugs were bought and

694
00:53:40.320 --> 00:53:45.400
sold as we're weapons, jewelry,
and other various goods to a much lesser

695
00:53:45.440 --> 00:53:49.360
degree, but it was mainly drugs. It was created in twenty eleven and

696
00:53:49.400 --> 00:53:53.800
administered by someone under the handle dread
pirate Roberts. Yet it A couple other

697
00:53:53.840 --> 00:54:00.039
players in the game were Smedley and
Variety Jones aka Simon with a C.

698
00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:07.199
I think Smedley's interesting. A lot
of this stuff has very libertarian bents to

699
00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:10.719
it, and I just wonder if
that was a Smedley Butler reference. Matt

700
00:54:12.039 --> 00:54:19.039
Isn't Isn't Smedley also the sidekick to
Captain Hook that's me, sme, You're

701
00:54:19.119 --> 00:54:22.519
right, never mind Smedley. I
like the name Variety Jones, though,

702
00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:30.599
YEA. In October of twenty thirteen
that the FBI arrested Ross Ulbricht in San

703
00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:36.360
Francisco, fingering him as dread Pirate
Roberts. He was indicted, and in

704
00:54:36.400 --> 00:54:40.599
a twenty fifteen letter, Albert stated
that his actions through Silk Road were committed

705
00:54:40.760 --> 00:54:49.599
through libertarian idealism hawk scream and that
quote Silk Road was supposed to be about

706
00:54:49.639 --> 00:54:53.440
giving people the freedom to make their
own choices end quote, and admitted that

707
00:54:53.480 --> 00:55:00.079
he had made a terrible mistake that
ruined his life. Yeah. Well,

708
00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:02.960
one of his terrible mistakes was trying
to ruin other people's eyes. He'd tried

709
00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:07.480
to hire hitmen. That's what they
say, Yeah, that's what they say

710
00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:12.119
now. On May twenty nine,
twenty fifteen, Albrich was given five sentences

711
00:55:12.159 --> 00:55:16.320
to be served concurrently, including two
for life imprisonment without the possibility of parole.

712
00:55:16.840 --> 00:55:21.280
Silk Road was closed down after his
arrest, but not two months later

713
00:55:21.320 --> 00:55:25.880
a second version was launched, again
helmed by dread Pirate Roberts. You get

714
00:55:25.920 --> 00:55:30.400
it. Yeah. It was shut
down in November twenty fourteen, and another

715
00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:35.519
black market site changed its name to
Silk Road three. Silk Road reloaded and

716
00:55:35.679 --> 00:55:39.559
opened in January twenty fifteen. Road
Harder. Yeah, so the Silk Road

717
00:55:39.599 --> 00:55:45.119
is just it shall never die and
dread Pirate Roberts will be passed on you

718
00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:49.079
know. Well, I mean one
of the fun things about the dark web

719
00:55:49.159 --> 00:55:52.920
is that nobody owns out anything.
There's no copyright law. So it's like,

720
00:55:52.039 --> 00:55:57.039
oh, did someone closed that McDonald's. I'm McDonald's. Yeah, he

721
00:55:57.159 --> 00:56:00.519
made this, I made this.
Yeah. You could just claim, you

722
00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:04.119
know, steal the artwork from the
original page, make it, make it

723
00:56:04.119 --> 00:56:09.760
look approximate, and then now their
revenue stream is my revenue stream. Hooray

724
00:56:09.119 --> 00:56:13.760
yep. And I don't even think
I don't I don't get the feeling that

725
00:56:13.800 --> 00:56:16.519
the those things are even like stolen
assets. I feel like it's people who

726
00:56:16.519 --> 00:56:21.280
were involved but not pinched in the
previous iteration, are like, all right,

727
00:56:21.760 --> 00:56:24.360
turn the hose back on again.
Yeah, Or somebody that's got a

728
00:56:24.440 --> 00:56:29.079
site that's not quite as as popular, but then they see that opportunity and

729
00:56:29.119 --> 00:56:31.519
they seize it. Yeah, And
I think, I mean, for I

730
00:56:31.559 --> 00:56:35.039
don't, I don't know. I'm
conflicted. Like, on the one hand,

731
00:56:35.360 --> 00:56:37.119
this guy was just running a website
that sold a bunch of illegal stuff.

732
00:56:37.159 --> 00:56:42.800
I don't think that like multiple life
sentences without parole seems right. But

733
00:56:43.320 --> 00:56:49.760
this guy probably moved more product than
most Mexican drug lords, probably was responsible

734
00:56:49.800 --> 00:56:53.119
for as many deaths through because worth
killing, you know. So you know,

735
00:56:53.159 --> 00:56:59.519
it's like in bitcoin, just because
just because it happens through a digital

736
00:56:59.559 --> 00:57:00.840
mediation. And I can see how
they're like, no, no, no,

737
00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:07.480
this guy was running a drug empire. This guy was involved in weapons

738
00:57:07.519 --> 00:57:13.159
trafficking, sex trafficking, you know, all these other things, I mean

739
00:57:13.239 --> 00:57:15.199
anything, you know, And so
you're like, oh, no, this

740
00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:17.760
guy was running a criminal empire.
Um, you don't get to claim,

741
00:57:19.400 --> 00:57:22.760
uh, these guns, you know, these colors don't run. And I'm

742
00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:28.760
a libertarian at the end of it
um because it's the people whose images he

743
00:57:28.800 --> 00:57:34.119
was selling, the the poor young
boys or young girls that are getting trafficked

744
00:57:34.119 --> 00:57:37.639
through his website. They didn't get
to make the libertarian choice for to make

745
00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:40.400
their own mistakes. They were they
were bought and sold, you know.

746
00:57:40.840 --> 00:57:45.559
So as at first I was like, stupid government trying to make an example

747
00:57:45.639 --> 00:57:47.960
of a guy, And then you
think it through and you're like, no,

748
00:57:49.679 --> 00:57:52.559
this guy was really enabling a lot
of pieces of ship right, These

749
00:57:52.599 --> 00:57:58.760
pieces of could not have been ambulatory
on their own. Yeah. So now

750
00:57:58.599 --> 00:58:00.239
now that I think about it,
I'm like, yeah, all right,

751
00:58:00.800 --> 00:58:05.320
Okay, I'm cool with it.
I'll go justice system right for once.

752
00:58:05.719 --> 00:58:08.920
Onto the truth, Dave, Oh, just the truth is only the Internet

753
00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:13.239
can provide. We've poked around at
it, but the truth is the deep

754
00:58:13.280 --> 00:58:17.159
web. The deep web is not
scary. No, it's just boring,

755
00:58:17.800 --> 00:58:22.920
boring data. There's nothing like the
only thing that's hidden in the deep web

756
00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:27.760
is just stuff that you need to
pay money to see. Yeah, yeah,

757
00:58:27.840 --> 00:58:34.599
student loan repayments and right sally me
all that. Whenever Chrome auto loads

758
00:58:35.119 --> 00:58:38.440
all your information when you're buying something
online, you know, it's yeah,

759
00:58:38.480 --> 00:58:44.280
and the dark web is pretty small. Yes, even so, there is

760
00:58:44.400 --> 00:58:49.199
terrible ship that goes down on it, but it's not the nefariously dangerous criminal

761
00:58:49.320 --> 00:58:52.360
underground the media loves to salivate over. It's not going to come up through

762
00:58:52.360 --> 00:58:55.440
the toilet and kidnap your baby for
the sex trade. You don't know that,

763
00:58:57.079 --> 00:59:01.000
all right. According to the Tour
Project, about two million people per

764
00:59:01.079 --> 00:59:06.920
day used Tour, and one and
a half million of those use hidden sits.

765
00:59:07.639 --> 00:59:10.239
In the grand scheme of things,
seven plus billion people. Yeah,

766
00:59:10.400 --> 00:59:15.159
no, it's it is not wildly
popular. Either people don't know about it,

767
00:59:15.239 --> 00:59:17.599
or they're scared to use it,
I feel like, or they just

768
00:59:17.639 --> 00:59:21.840
don't know how Yeah. I mean
I saw one thing I saw had a

769
00:59:21.880 --> 00:59:28.559
really interesting usage chart for Tour and
how it was just like very flat,

770
00:59:28.920 --> 00:59:35.880
very low usage. And then boom, the arrested indictments for the Silk Road

771
00:59:36.199 --> 00:59:40.320
goes up on the news hub.
Blame usage goes through the roof because people

772
00:59:40.400 --> 00:59:44.920
just didn't even know it was there. Then the news stories let people know

773
00:59:44.960 --> 00:59:46.920
it's there, everybody jumps on,
and then it like Peter's off again,

774
00:59:47.360 --> 00:59:52.360
but it's still kept about half of
those people. Yeah, it's it's kind

775
00:59:52.360 --> 00:59:55.400
of like leveled back out again,
but it about doubled or maybe tripled its

776
00:59:55.440 --> 01:00:00.920
prior usage just for having that exposure
even after the peak or off the baseline,

777
01:00:01.199 --> 01:00:06.920
is about two or three times what
it initially was. I wonder if

778
01:00:06.960 --> 01:00:10.280
you do business on the deep web, if you do business on the Silk

779
01:00:10.360 --> 01:00:15.960
Road or Silk Road five Silk Road, Homecoming or whatever whatever it's called.

780
01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:19.400
Now, how do you get the
stuff? They send it to you?

781
01:00:19.679 --> 01:00:22.880
They just they just you think they
just mail it or do you have to

782
01:00:22.920 --> 01:00:25.440
meet in an alley at at midnight, or like I think they just send

783
01:00:25.480 --> 01:00:29.440
it to you, is what I
think. But I don't know. I

784
01:00:29.440 --> 01:00:32.199
don't have any idea. Do you
think they have their own version of UPS?

785
01:00:32.480 --> 01:00:37.719
I doubt it. Well, so
that's that's the bottom line there,

786
01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:45.199
Artificial intelligence, Dave. I think
that along with the Marianna's trench or web,

787
01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:50.559
I think it's just a ghost story
told by nerds. There's no real

788
01:00:50.639 --> 01:00:55.079
evidence that an AI exist, nor
that there is a Marianna's Web or bottom

789
01:00:55.119 --> 01:00:59.239
of the Internet. There is evidence, I think that it may be a

790
01:00:59.360 --> 01:01:05.199
hoax or a troll though, loll
yeah, it's it's exactly like no matter

791
01:01:05.239 --> 01:01:08.039
how whatever you're looking into, someone'll
be like, Oh, there's a thing

792
01:01:08.079 --> 01:01:12.159
just beyond it, and that's where
all the real ship is. That's like

793
01:01:12.280 --> 01:01:15.719
the kind of like wispy asked,
half mustache seventeen year old tells a thirteen

794
01:01:15.760 --> 01:01:19.199
year old, Oh, well,
I guess what you know? My friend

795
01:01:19.480 --> 01:01:24.360
he goes into this deeper web that's
called deepest web. Yeah, and that's

796
01:01:24.400 --> 01:01:28.599
where like people buy cyborg parts.
And my friend was going to get his

797
01:01:29.159 --> 01:01:31.599
arm replaced, but then his mom
found out and he got ground in pretty

798
01:01:31.599 --> 01:01:42.920
serious. So yeah, AI,
AI doubt it, thank you. How

799
01:01:42.960 --> 01:01:46.840
about black markets? Is there any
truth to their being black black markets?

800
01:01:46.880 --> 01:01:51.280
Well, we told you about the
guy that got arrested for right, how

801
01:01:51.320 --> 01:01:54.320
about that string a black market?
Yeah, they assuredly do exist. Unfortunately,

802
01:01:54.960 --> 01:01:59.320
assassination networks where you could go get
a hitman for hire, what do

803
01:01:59.360 --> 01:02:02.519
you think? Uh? This is
where I think the internet, the dark

804
01:02:02.519 --> 01:02:07.760
Internet is just like every other internet. You you might get the guy you're

805
01:02:07.840 --> 01:02:10.440
after, or you might just get
someone who wants your money and knows you

806
01:02:10.480 --> 01:02:14.760
can't go to the cops because you're
trying to buy a murder. Yeah,

807
01:02:14.840 --> 01:02:20.960
I would imagine that it's probably a
seventy five to one ratio scammer to assassin,

808
01:02:21.519 --> 01:02:23.840
Yeah, somewhere in that ballpark.
Yeah. I don't think you can

809
01:02:23.920 --> 01:02:29.000
just just hire a murderer on the
internet and expect that to work out for

810
01:02:29.039 --> 01:02:31.400
you. I think what you'll what
most of the time, you'll I mean,

811
01:02:31.440 --> 01:02:35.639
if it's the regular rene you what
you ended up as hiring your own

812
01:02:35.719 --> 01:02:39.000
personal blackmailer. Yeah, like,
hey, remember when you ask me to

813
01:02:39.079 --> 01:02:44.000
kill somebody, could you send me
more money please? Geez? But in

814
01:02:44.039 --> 01:02:47.079
the anonymous sense, yeah, they
just take the money and they're like du

815
01:02:47.159 --> 01:02:51.480
says, Hell, I'd do that. I'd set up shop as a killer,

816
01:02:51.960 --> 01:02:54.079
except for I'd set up shop as
a pet assassin. Even that,

817
01:02:54.239 --> 01:03:00.280
Ross Olbricht was indicted on six counts
of hiring hitman, though he wasn't actually

818
01:03:00.360 --> 01:03:05.599
prosecuted for it. Sites that purport
to be hitman for higher have turned out

819
01:03:05.599 --> 01:03:08.119
to be fake or trolls. It's
a big thing to do, like you

820
01:03:08.159 --> 01:03:12.159
just said, just set up shop
and easy money. Man, Hell,

821
01:03:12.239 --> 01:03:16.320
I'd do it. Yeah. There
are also stories that you can find live

822
01:03:16.440 --> 01:03:20.960
murder on there on the deep web. Oh yeah, what do they call

823
01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:23.199
those things? The red room?
There you go where? Yeah, you

824
01:03:23.239 --> 01:03:29.000
can. It's like a cam girl, but the worst form where it's like

825
01:03:29.159 --> 01:03:32.360
you can just watch someone get tortured
and or killed right right? That real

826
01:03:32.480 --> 01:03:37.360
though, I feel like that that
also has I mean, listen, it's

827
01:03:37.360 --> 01:03:39.559
the Internet. It's happened somewhere on
the Internet. I'm sure it's happened,

828
01:03:39.599 --> 01:03:44.760
sure, but I don't think it's
like a thing. Well, they there

829
01:03:44.840 --> 01:03:47.599
was one site that marketed a red
room in which they posted a date and

830
01:03:47.800 --> 01:03:53.480
time for a live torture and execution
of a supposed ISIS member. When the

831
01:03:53.480 --> 01:03:59.760
time came, a video started showing
a plate of bacon, delicious bacon,

832
01:04:00.039 --> 01:04:01.920
Islam cryptonite, and that's all they
showed. It was a huge troll,

833
01:04:02.159 --> 01:04:06.760
Matt. Many sites are set up
just to make money and scam criminals apparently.

834
01:04:08.039 --> 01:04:13.880
How about speaking of old diphs there? How about terrorism sales? There

835
01:04:14.280 --> 01:04:17.719
may be sites which helped fund or
coordinate terrorist activity, but there are only

836
01:04:17.760 --> 01:04:24.280
shreds of evidence that the Islamic State
in particular is using the dark web that

837
01:04:24.679 --> 01:04:29.000
they've found. A couple apparent fund
raising sites, highlighted by The Washington Post,

838
01:04:29.199 --> 01:04:32.679
had managed to raise exactly zero bitcoins
after being live for a while.

839
01:04:33.400 --> 01:04:36.559
Maybe they just set their computers to
mining, and four months later they just

840
01:04:36.599 --> 01:04:40.679
didn't have anything. This gave up. It's worth pointing out that both these

841
01:04:40.679 --> 01:04:45.800
sites simply claimed to be funneling the
cash to the terrorist group and could easily

842
01:04:45.840 --> 01:04:50.239
have been fakes. The one Islamic
extremist dark web site to actually generate any

843
01:04:50.280 --> 01:04:56.679
revenue raised only twelve hundred dollars earlier
in the year. Even that site,

844
01:04:56.679 --> 01:05:00.679
though, doesn't explicitly mentioned the Islamic
state. So yeah, it's hard to

845
01:05:00.679 --> 01:05:04.559
tell. Yeah, I there's a
couple of good sources for how things like

846
01:05:04.599 --> 01:05:12.639
Isis does their their funding. Um, the somebody actually smuggled out an Isis

847
01:05:13.239 --> 01:05:16.480
city budget or one of the towns
that they are controlling. It was their

848
01:05:16.519 --> 01:05:19.519
internal budget. And how they're you
know, how they're paying for everything,

849
01:05:19.599 --> 01:05:27.000
and uh, it's mostly through private
property seizures. I think that's the line's

850
01:05:27.000 --> 01:05:30.400
share of it. Most of the
neighboring countries have done a pretty good job

851
01:05:30.400 --> 01:05:32.920
of shutting down the illicit oil sales
that were funding them early on, and

852
01:05:33.000 --> 01:05:40.039
it's still you know, a trickle, get it, but mostly it's internal

853
01:05:40.559 --> 01:05:44.519
property seizures and eventually they're just gonna
you know, you would go to reseize

854
01:05:44.519 --> 01:05:46.639
the property you seized. You know, it's yeah, you read out of

855
01:05:46.679 --> 01:05:48.800
resources at the point. I know
I already mentioned it. But there's a

856
01:05:48.920 --> 01:05:55.400
there is a really good Planet Money
episode about how the economics of isis work,

857
01:05:56.280 --> 01:05:59.800
the data stealing, the fact that
your private info could be for sale

858
01:05:59.800 --> 01:06:03.199
and site somewhere. I mean that
that is true to a degree that it's

859
01:06:03.199 --> 01:06:08.599
as small in the grand scheme of
things, probably a small number of people

860
01:06:08.679 --> 01:06:13.719
that are affected by this, but
huge caches of account data being sold on

861
01:06:13.760 --> 01:06:18.199
the dark Web from eight websites including
Twitter, MySpace, and LinkedIn have been

862
01:06:18.199 --> 01:06:24.239
found. In some cases, those
accounts came from privacy breaches at the web

863
01:06:24.280 --> 01:06:28.440
companies themselves. In other cases,
data thieves were able to steal information directly

864
01:06:28.440 --> 01:06:30.039
from users. That's what you're talking
about, the skimmers and stuff. Ye,

865
01:06:30.440 --> 01:06:34.760
so you know that that stuff does
go on on there, not an

866
01:06:34.800 --> 01:06:42.519
incredible mind boggling, fear mongering amount. But and then the old child porn,

867
01:06:42.719 --> 01:06:45.559
Yes, unfortunately that that does go
on there. But some good news,

868
01:06:45.800 --> 01:06:50.599
the FBI and other organizations are getting
better at tracking down and finding these

869
01:06:50.639 --> 01:06:57.719
sick, putrid motherfuckers. In October
of twenty fourteen, a Brazilian dark web

870
01:06:57.760 --> 01:07:01.079
pedophile site was seized, in fifty
five people were arrested. In May of

871
01:07:01.119 --> 01:07:05.880
twenty fifteen, Australian police went public
about an operation that had shut down a

872
01:07:05.960 --> 01:07:13.920
site with forty five thousand members Jesus
and also I mean krake K. And

873
01:07:14.119 --> 01:07:19.960
also in twenty fifteen, the FBI
shut down a site called Playpen, which

874
01:07:20.000 --> 01:07:28.280
had over two hundred thousand members.
Son of a fuck. It's mostly done

875
01:07:28.280 --> 01:07:32.800
by undercover work by the agencies that
investigate it. H Yeah, no thanks,

876
01:07:33.119 --> 01:07:36.039
I just I find it hard to
believe that there are that many people

877
01:07:36.119 --> 01:07:40.840
that are into kids stuff, you
know what I mean. The world is

878
01:07:40.840 --> 01:07:43.760
the worst place that anyone ever suspects
it is. And the world is the

879
01:07:43.800 --> 01:07:45.880
worst place in the world. Yeah, and we are on the darkest timeline.

880
01:07:45.960 --> 01:07:49.440
So yep, this has been established. All this crap is available on

881
01:07:49.480 --> 01:07:55.400
the clear web, the clear net, child porn, terrorist forums, personal

882
01:07:55.519 --> 01:07:59.360
data markets, stolen credit cards.
It's already out there. It's within reach

883
01:07:59.400 --> 01:08:03.679
without need tour or special software.
Yeah, you just get caught faster.

884
01:08:04.000 --> 01:08:09.039
Yeah. Yeah. The problem with
anonymous web services is also the beauty of

885
01:08:09.079 --> 01:08:12.920
them. It's meant to be unrestricted
where folks can have privacy and protect their

886
01:08:12.960 --> 01:08:16.920
anonymity in an ever shrinking social world. But that also means it's nearly impossible

887
01:08:16.960 --> 01:08:21.159
to track down true criminals and offenders. It's ironic then, that the US

888
01:08:21.319 --> 01:08:28.600
intelligence branches created Tour to essentially help
catch criminals, but the system helps those

889
01:08:28.640 --> 01:08:32.520
same criminals hide. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think that they used that

890
01:08:32.560 --> 01:08:38.239
they made Tour to help them catch
criminals. They well, maybe not made

891
01:08:38.279 --> 01:08:42.359
Tour to help themselves do without anyone
knowing what they're doing, which is a

892
01:08:42.439 --> 01:08:45.640
thousand different things. And but opening
up to the public meant opening it up

893
01:08:45.640 --> 01:08:48.760
to criminals, you know. I
don't think it's not like they were using

894
01:08:49.039 --> 01:08:54.239
Yeah, I think that they wanted
to use it for military communications, for

895
01:08:54.840 --> 01:08:57.880
any any thousand things. I don't
think when they made it, they're like,

896
01:08:58.000 --> 01:09:00.840
guys, it's time to solve some
crimes. We need to make an

897
01:09:00.880 --> 01:09:04.760
overlay network. I think that they
probably had in mind that they could help

898
01:09:04.840 --> 01:09:09.880
stop some crime. I mean,
if they're able to, for lack of

899
01:09:09.920 --> 01:09:13.439
a better term, spy on people
that they suspect, you know, might

900
01:09:13.479 --> 01:09:16.760
be harboring some illegal activity, I
think that had to be there somewhere on

901
01:09:16.760 --> 01:09:21.079
the plate. Maybe I don't feel
like the Naval Research Lab does a lot

902
01:09:21.119 --> 01:09:26.039
of criminal justice work, is my
guess. I think they just did it

903
01:09:26.039 --> 01:09:30.159
so that they could have clandestine communications. I don't think they had any They

904
01:09:30.199 --> 01:09:32.920
just wanted to be able to do
their You think they built tour in order

905
01:09:32.960 --> 01:09:36.880
to just talk to each other they
could do well, ao Aoil Messenger.

906
01:09:38.000 --> 01:09:41.720
I think they did. They built
it so that they could so that they

907
01:09:41.800 --> 01:09:46.279
exchange data and information without anyone knowing
Aoil Messenger. Yes, yes, absolutely

908
01:09:46.319 --> 01:09:49.640
they I don't think without anybody seeing
what they're Yeah, I don't think for

909
01:09:49.720 --> 01:09:54.000
one second they're like, guys,
it's time to clean up this internet we

910
01:09:54.079 --> 01:09:57.000
just created. I'm not you're you're
putting words in my mouth. I'm not

911
01:09:57.039 --> 01:10:00.960
saying they wanted they wanted to be
the sheriff of net Town. Yeah.

912
01:10:00.079 --> 01:10:04.560
I maybe I'm too cynical there.
I don't I don't think that they don't

913
01:10:04.560 --> 01:10:10.800
think that that could have been something
like an icing on the cake for them,

914
01:10:11.119 --> 01:10:14.319
like, oh, we could also
use this to look at to prove

915
01:10:14.399 --> 01:10:18.239
that people are doing illegal activity without
making without them knowing that we're looking at

916
01:10:18.279 --> 01:10:23.680
them. No, I mean because
I mean, I think you get like

917
01:10:23.760 --> 01:10:29.159
into an or a Burroughs thing,
where like you you make an anonymous overlay

918
01:10:29.239 --> 01:10:31.760
network so that you can catch people
who are trying to do things on an

919
01:10:31.760 --> 01:10:38.079
anonymous overlay network. The other people
aren't weren't on the anonymous overlay you you

920
01:10:38.239 --> 01:10:43.680
kept people on the non anonymous overlay
network, the regular network. So they

921
01:10:43.880 --> 01:10:46.720
you think they built Tour to help
police the clear Net, not specifically,

922
01:10:46.840 --> 01:10:50.199
but it was a part that it
was something that they could use it for.

923
01:10:51.239 --> 01:10:55.119
I guess I still don't think that's
why they made it, but I

924
01:10:55.159 --> 01:10:57.960
think that they It's like building a
car. Someone He's like, yeah,

925
01:10:58.119 --> 01:11:00.279
you could go there. I didn't
build this car to drive there, but

926
01:11:00.439 --> 01:11:04.680
sure go for it, right right, Yeah, sure you can play music

927
01:11:04.720 --> 01:11:06.880
on that. Yeah, I think
so. Yeah. I mean, I'm

928
01:11:06.920 --> 01:11:10.640
sure that they found ways to use
it, but I don't think that was

929
01:11:10.880 --> 01:11:13.319
It wasn't the sole purpose. And
that's what I'm not what I'm trying to

930
01:11:13.359 --> 01:11:17.159
say either. So anyways, I
don't know. I guess if you worked

931
01:11:17.159 --> 01:11:20.880
for the Naval Research Lab, you
can tell us if that was in the

932
01:11:20.920 --> 01:11:25.880
agenda anywhere at all. But we've
we've sat here and said, how how

933
01:11:25.920 --> 01:11:29.760
bad the deep web is and and
then the worst, there's nothing good about

934
01:11:29.800 --> 01:11:31.880
it, And then we and then
we say, it's not that bad.

935
01:11:32.000 --> 01:11:35.279
It's oh, it's it's just got
this and this, it's that bad.

936
01:11:35.439 --> 01:11:41.600
It's just got child pornography on it, torture clamps. But it actually does

937
01:11:41.640 --> 01:11:45.000
have some silver linings in the fact
that it promotes true liberty and exchange of

938
01:11:45.119 --> 01:11:50.119
information and ideas. It's home to
alternate search engines, email services, file

939
01:11:50.199 --> 01:11:55.359
storage, file sharing, like all
that stuff, whistle blowing sites, you

940
01:11:55.359 --> 01:12:00.199
know, things that provide a safer
meeting ground for political dissidents and any one

941
01:12:00.239 --> 01:12:04.239
else who might find themselves on the
fringes of society. Think of citizens of

942
01:12:04.359 --> 01:12:11.960
countries with oppressive leaders or strict societies. China is pretty controlling of the Internet

943
01:12:12.520 --> 01:12:15.600
usage and stuff. They've got what's
called the Great Firewall, brilliant, but

944
01:12:15.760 --> 01:12:18.800
you know this, this is a
way for them to circumvent that and share

945
01:12:18.840 --> 01:12:23.279
their ideas and safely and securely communicate
with the risk of the world. So

946
01:12:23.600 --> 01:12:26.960
do you think it's worth it?
No, But then again, I just

947
01:12:27.000 --> 01:12:30.279
don't use it, so you know, I personally, I mean I think

948
01:12:30.279 --> 01:12:33.560
it's a net zero. Actually no, I think it's a net loss.

949
01:12:34.159 --> 01:12:38.079
I kind of do too. Yeah, I don't think that it. I

950
01:12:38.199 --> 01:12:43.520
understand like the the ideal of being
like, no, this is true freedom.

951
01:12:43.560 --> 01:12:45.760
You get to choose you want.
People are fin ansals in their garbage.

952
01:12:45.840 --> 01:12:49.920
Yeah, and so they will choose
terrible, terrible things way more than

953
01:12:49.960 --> 01:12:56.600
they'll choose good things garbage cheese.
Yeah, they're just so. Now I

954
01:12:56.640 --> 01:13:00.119
think it's a net loss. I
think that I'm not I'm not a I

955
01:13:00.159 --> 01:13:03.359
don't dig it. Yeah, with
all the crap that can go on and

956
01:13:03.560 --> 01:13:08.960
never be found out, you know, right, I don't think it's worth

957
01:13:09.199 --> 01:13:13.119
having anonymity. I mean now what
I would what I would love is if

958
01:13:13.159 --> 01:13:16.880
it was set up as some sort
of gigantic honeypot where it's like, okay,

959
01:13:16.920 --> 01:13:20.840
all you degenerate sh birds, this
is where everything's free and no one

960
01:13:20.880 --> 01:13:25.039
can ever find you. And then
you know, surprise, screaming eagles,

961
01:13:25.079 --> 01:13:30.479
American Justice Plank and all those you
know. But like so like playpen right,

962
01:13:30.800 --> 01:13:34.600
for example, that is multiple arrests, a giant porn ring. But

963
01:13:34.960 --> 01:13:41.079
would there have been two hundred thousand
people on a non anonymous site. No,

964
01:13:41.520 --> 01:13:45.159
that's so it's like it creates some
it doesn't create it, but it

965
01:13:45.319 --> 01:13:48.039
enables something. It enables that's a
perfect word. It enables a lot more

966
01:13:48.079 --> 01:13:53.560
activity than actually gets punished and taken
down. That's that's kind of how I

967
01:13:53.600 --> 01:13:56.199
see it too. It's that's my
opinion of it. I don't know.

968
01:13:56.520 --> 01:13:59.560
Maybe our listeners. I'm positive we
have listeners who use it. I never

969
01:13:59.600 --> 01:14:00.960
do. I'm as ignorant as could
be on it, but that won't stop

970
01:14:01.000 --> 01:14:05.239
me from voicing my opinion because I
have a podcast. Well, yeah,

971
01:14:05.279 --> 01:14:12.520
I'd be interested to hear if somebody
argues that it is something worthwhile and you

972
01:14:12.640 --> 01:14:16.319
take the good of it along with
the child poorn, right, you know?

973
01:14:16.479 --> 01:14:20.399
So well, I thought this was
interesting because I didn't know anything about

974
01:14:20.399 --> 01:14:25.560
it. So I'm happy to have
done the research learned about it, and

975
01:14:25.600 --> 01:14:29.760
I hope that you out there listening
have learned something too. Yeah, about

976
01:14:29.760 --> 01:14:31.560
the world that we live in.
Learned a lot about bitcoin, learned a

977
01:14:31.560 --> 01:14:35.920
lot about Flora. Like to swear
it sounds like a song starting. Don't

978
01:14:35.960 --> 01:14:43.680
don't forget the phrase sick putred that
came up. Don't forget that sick putrid

979
01:14:43.920 --> 01:14:47.399
motherfucker's Oh sorry, my bad.
A truncated the quote. So that's the

980
01:14:47.479 --> 01:14:53.880
dark web for you. Yeah in
a oh man, very shadowy, filthy,

981
01:14:54.159 --> 01:14:58.359
filthy, degenerate, garbage, juice
nutshell. I just hate people now,

982
01:14:59.279 --> 01:15:00.520
just hate them, you know what? You know what, I don't

983
01:15:00.520 --> 01:15:10.840
hate puns? Flore you go.
Have you seen this, uh this sitcom?

984
01:15:11.279 --> 01:15:13.840
Well, could you describe it to
me? It's a came out in

985
01:15:13.840 --> 01:15:17.600
the eighties, but it's it's a
show about an artificial intelligence that is adopted

986
01:15:17.600 --> 01:15:23.439
by a wealthy family and the Shenanigans. It's all about the shenanigans that this

987
01:15:23.520 --> 01:15:29.119
AI gets into, like burning down
their computers and finding secret Internet pathways.

988
01:15:29.560 --> 01:15:36.880
It's the deep webster wow, starting
a little emmanuel Lewis yea as the AI.

989
01:15:39.560 --> 01:15:43.159
That's good. I thought you were
going with different strokes because pretty much

990
01:15:43.159 --> 01:15:45.560
the same premise, and I was, I was like, how's he getting

991
01:15:45.600 --> 01:15:47.359
how's he gonna get it now?
Webster. By the way, the British

992
01:15:47.439 --> 01:15:56.680
version is called different Blokes too rot. Hello, mister Drummond. What's that?

993
01:15:56.960 --> 01:16:02.800
Na? What's all? What's all
right? Um? You know,

994
01:16:03.079 --> 01:16:08.000
there's a lot of people are sick
and tired of the I don't know,

995
01:16:08.079 --> 01:16:14.000
the bio agricultural industry in general.
You've got GMOs. You've got growth hormones

996
01:16:14.079 --> 01:16:20.319
and beef, you've got over saturated
antibiotic usage and poultry and even you know,

997
01:16:20.640 --> 01:16:26.199
they think that even things like uh, milk is not even safe.

998
01:16:26.239 --> 01:16:30.960
They think that it's affecting people's bodies. There's a huge push for just organic

999
01:16:30.279 --> 01:16:35.439
raw milk, unpasteurized milk. And
yeah, it's it's a huge thing.

1000
01:16:36.079 --> 01:16:42.680
And the problem is is it's illegal
in most places. And uh now,

1001
01:16:42.840 --> 01:16:45.479
now, now my punt has a
follow up story. But but there is

1002
01:16:45.479 --> 01:16:50.279
a place you can go online for
people to get a hold of it,

1003
01:16:50.399 --> 01:16:56.079
you know, without getting in any
federal problems and just you know, buying

1004
01:16:56.119 --> 01:17:00.000
an anonymously via the internet. It's
called the Milk Road fun story. I

1005
01:17:00.079 --> 01:17:03.279
think it was West Virginia. I
think it was West Virginia. I'm not

1006
01:17:03.359 --> 01:17:08.359
sure about which state. The city
council, I think it was voted to

1007
01:17:08.600 --> 01:17:12.359
have to overturn the ban on.
I should look. I mean, I

1008
01:17:12.439 --> 01:17:15.800
don't have enough facts, but I
know this happened. City council, City

1009
01:17:15.840 --> 01:17:18.359
council of West Virginia, City council
of it West Virginia. It could have

1010
01:17:18.399 --> 01:17:23.079
been statewide. Maybe it was statewide. Anyway, they overturned the ban on

1011
01:17:23.720 --> 01:17:27.039
raw milk because it used to be
illegal, because they wanted it pasteurized,

1012
01:17:27.720 --> 01:17:30.640
and um, all the state legislators, I think it wasn't the state level

1013
01:17:31.000 --> 01:17:34.279
who were trying to get this thing
pushed through for god knows what reason.

1014
01:17:34.399 --> 01:17:38.039
They celebrated by, you know,
in front of the cameras. They all

1015
01:17:38.119 --> 01:17:42.159
toasted with a glass of raw milk. They all got sick as it couldn't

1016
01:17:42.199 --> 01:17:46.640
come to work for days. Suck
at ignorance, wow, and then blow

1017
01:17:46.720 --> 01:17:51.119
it out your ass for three days. Have you ever had raw milk?

1018
01:17:51.279 --> 01:17:57.359
No? What did I just tell
you? Man? Ass? Blow?

1019
01:17:57.720 --> 01:18:02.520
Well? But days you know you
see uh farmers drinking fresh out the teeth

1020
01:18:02.640 --> 01:18:06.359
or the pail, not a whole
glass or anything, but just taste in

1021
01:18:06.439 --> 01:18:10.920
it or just just licking the tip
a little swarting it in your mouth,

1022
01:18:11.640 --> 01:18:25.199
licking the I love you're in your
indignity, No, you idiot? All

1023
01:18:25.279 --> 01:18:27.800
right, I got one more.
Okay, you might like this place.

1024
01:18:27.880 --> 01:18:32.479
It's a bar where you can find
any alcoholic beverage known demand sweet, even

1025
01:18:32.600 --> 01:18:38.399
the illegal ones and ones that are
basically pure grain alcohol. It's called ever

1026
01:18:38.520 --> 01:18:45.119
clear, neet nice, get tore
up, oh, doubled up. You

1027
01:18:45.239 --> 01:18:48.119
know, it's not only professional killers
that you can hire. You can actually

1028
01:18:48.239 --> 01:18:54.520
hire good professionals using the dark web. As a matter of fact, in

1029
01:18:54.680 --> 01:18:59.920
some cities, through the dark web, you can contact private firefighters to come

1030
01:19:00.000 --> 01:19:02.319
and protect your house or you're building. It'll probably come to that sooner or

1031
01:19:02.399 --> 01:19:05.359
later. Um. But the thing
is is that it's still illegal because they're

1032
01:19:05.439 --> 01:19:12.399
not city licensed, and you can
be indicted for the companies called murder for

1033
01:19:12.479 --> 01:19:20.119
fires. They kill fires, kill
them, murder for fire spons I hope

1034
01:19:20.159 --> 01:19:25.399
somebody jumped. I hope nobody wrecked
a car. You know, there there

1035
01:19:25.520 --> 01:19:29.840
is one more uh level. You
think that the layer, You think that

1036
01:19:30.000 --> 01:19:32.279
that's uh, that's the end of
it. I always think that's the end

1037
01:19:32.319 --> 01:19:35.479
of it. Are the lowest you
can get. But there's a darker,

1038
01:19:35.960 --> 01:19:44.479
sinister, scary layer in the episode, and they say that sentient life exists,

1039
01:19:44.880 --> 01:19:57.039
and you can tell it's there by
the evidence of listener. That's why

1040
01:19:57.039 --> 01:20:00.760
I'm that's sukoing back to see your
family. Well, I think we could

1041
01:20:00.800 --> 01:20:03.800
still work it out, but we
just had to spend some time. I

1042
01:20:03.880 --> 01:20:08.800
think we just need to spend some
time apart because there are certain things I

1043
01:20:08.880 --> 01:20:13.520
still need to set to rights.
There are certain problems that until I put

1044
01:20:13.600 --> 01:20:16.319
to bed, Mitsuka will not come
back to base. Like you think.

1045
01:20:16.760 --> 01:20:19.600
You think I can't hear your John
Zillah, Yes, so a bit you

1046
01:20:19.720 --> 01:20:27.720
cost me my marriage from people of
Mecca. John Zilla. Hello, Oh

1047
01:20:27.880 --> 01:20:31.319
no trouble in in Mitsuko town.
Oh yeah, it's the only kind of

1048
01:20:31.359 --> 01:20:39.720
trouble I know. I don't know
it's insert phrase I love Mitsuko trouble.

1049
01:20:40.359 --> 01:20:45.239
John writes. It is with utmost
regret that I must press full charges against

1050
01:20:45.279 --> 01:20:49.560
one day Flora, whoa suck it? Oh my god, this is like

1051
01:20:49.640 --> 01:20:54.640
the one in ten time that it's
you not me, You not me.

1052
01:20:55.359 --> 01:20:59.840
During the most recent podcast on Saint
Germain, David mentions that the subject of

1053
01:21:00.000 --> 01:21:04.880
said podcast was sighted near Mount Shasta, Washington, when in fact, Mount

1054
01:21:04.960 --> 01:21:10.119
Shasta is in my home state of
sunny California. You let me down,

1055
01:21:10.199 --> 01:21:15.279
Flora, and it hurts, that
is all. Oh naga, John Zilla

1056
01:21:15.399 --> 01:21:20.079
just burned and toasted your butterballs.
I guess I stand by that phrase.

1057
01:21:20.880 --> 01:21:24.319
That was a word, Jazz,
I stand by it. Well, it

1058
01:21:24.399 --> 01:21:28.840
burned, it toasted your butterballs.
Yep. I can't loll your my way

1059
01:21:28.880 --> 01:21:30.680
out of this one. I got
that wrong. Yeah, okay, I'm

1060
01:21:30.880 --> 01:21:35.239
calling it now so that we remember
next episode penalty Box. Okay, you

1061
01:21:35.319 --> 01:21:39.720
should write it on the white board. Yeah, thanks John Zillah, thank

1062
01:21:39.760 --> 01:21:44.600
you, John Zilla. Dave,
we've heard from Jannis. Janie says,

1063
01:21:44.600 --> 01:21:46.720
howdy, hell guys, Hello,
we've gained the top spot in his podcast

1064
01:21:46.840 --> 01:21:51.920
list. Yes, yes, I
wish that you could just see the slow,

1065
01:21:53.079 --> 01:21:57.840
emphatic fist pump at this point,
you guys should know I also listened

1066
01:21:57.840 --> 01:22:01.800
to you in the sauna. Well
nude, nice sweating it out with Dave

1067
01:22:01.880 --> 01:22:09.039
and David. It's all right,
get a nice sheen. Yannis is a

1068
01:22:09.199 --> 01:22:14.800
lawyer that dabbles in various other things. A lawyer, A lawyer, lawyer,

1069
01:22:14.920 --> 01:22:17.159
a lawyer. Yeah, I'm not
making fun of how you said it.

1070
01:22:17.199 --> 01:22:18.920
I was trying to say it differently
than when I said it. It

1071
01:22:19.000 --> 01:22:25.479
sounded very similar. He's got a
fascination paranormal ever since The X Files robbed

1072
01:22:25.560 --> 01:22:28.840
him of sleep in the early nineties. Yeah, he says, among things

1073
01:22:28.920 --> 01:22:30.840
I do is homebrewing. Actually,
do you guys reckon, there's any chance

1074
01:22:30.880 --> 01:22:34.640
I could mill you some without being
blacklisted? Well blacklisted by who? You

1075
01:22:34.720 --> 01:22:38.800
know what? Yannis? If you
can if you can lawyer your way,

1076
01:22:39.079 --> 01:22:43.399
yeah, into sending us alcohol didn't
by all means why not drink it?

1077
01:22:43.800 --> 01:22:45.920
Thanks, don't get yourself in trouble. I don't know what the laws on

1078
01:22:46.039 --> 01:22:48.760
that are. We're not worth that, no, I mean we're not the

1079
01:22:48.880 --> 01:22:56.199
lawyers here, lawyers. You're making
me self conscious, just being stupid.

1080
01:22:56.920 --> 01:23:00.159
I'm planning to finally visit the States
in twenty seventeen, so band due to

1081
01:23:00.279 --> 01:23:03.960
mailing some beer would be hinterkific levels
of depressing it. Yeah, yeah,

1082
01:23:04.000 --> 01:23:08.199
don't look into it. Yeah,
look check one of them, the law

1083
01:23:08.319 --> 01:23:11.760
books that you bought, so you
have a law library. Just don't get

1084
01:23:11.800 --> 01:23:15.760
yourself in trouble on our account,
right, well, happily digitally, hoist

1085
01:23:15.880 --> 01:23:20.960
a glass to you. And then
Jannis goes on to uh tell us about

1086
01:23:21.560 --> 01:23:26.840
what sleep deprivation can do now that
he finds himself in military service. Thanks

1087
01:23:26.880 --> 01:23:32.479
putin and U a poetic little recounting
of the silhouettes that he see. He's

1088
01:23:32.680 --> 01:23:38.199
going on for forty eight hours without
sleep. Boy, no, thank you

1089
01:23:38.479 --> 01:23:41.479
sounds creepy. I hope you do
get some sleep there, and yeah,

1090
01:23:42.199 --> 01:23:45.520
he says, ps. Literally,
no one reads Marvel comics here to get

1091
01:23:45.560 --> 01:23:48.800
a Doctor Doom reference or DC comics. Literally, the only comics in print

1092
01:23:48.880 --> 01:23:55.399
are Donald Duck. Now Janie,
if you'll remember, is from Latvia and

1093
01:23:55.600 --> 01:23:59.319
and we had to we had to
throw out the lat Varia Doctor Doom reference

1094
01:23:59.359 --> 01:24:02.920
when oh first heard from Rannie.
But yeah, Yanni's good to hear back

1095
01:24:02.960 --> 01:24:09.399
from. You're glad you're still listening. We just actually connected with another Latvian

1096
01:24:09.960 --> 01:24:13.720
not too long ago through the Dark
Myths collective. Chris Stops does a little

1097
01:24:13.760 --> 01:24:18.039
podcast called The Eastern Border Yeah,
which which is very interesting and I don't

1098
01:24:18.079 --> 01:24:21.000
know, maybe I don't want to
say, do you two knew each other?

1099
01:24:21.039 --> 01:24:26.199
Obviously that's stupid. But to connect
with two Latvians we assume there's eighteen

1100
01:24:26.319 --> 01:24:30.399
people in Latvia is pretty impressive.
Yeah here anyways, look up the Eastern

1101
01:24:30.479 --> 01:24:33.279
Borders. See what you think of
that. Yeah, but thanks for writing

1102
01:24:33.359 --> 01:24:40.119
yea, yeah, thanks. Jannis
got one here from Vote the Odious Quiet

1103
01:24:40.199 --> 01:24:47.840
Charity Vote Why Vote Right. Hey
gents, Hi, I've been going through

1104
01:24:47.920 --> 01:24:53.039
some old podcasts and thought you might
like to any of them as to pun

1105
01:24:53.119 --> 01:24:56.000
a little trip through memory lane.
Okay, let's do it or not?

1106
01:24:56.439 --> 01:24:59.199
First, if you have a moth
ball in this hand and a moth ball

1107
01:24:59.279 --> 01:25:06.279
in that hand. What do you
have? Mothman's undivided attention? Odious the

1108
01:25:06.399 --> 01:25:13.800
paranormal art of contacting spits for the
mere purpose of sexual pleasure. Channelingus.

1109
01:25:15.279 --> 01:25:20.000
A Cambridge educated a cultistant poet kept
having his stash stolen by flocks of big

1110
01:25:20.119 --> 01:25:25.720
birds. Sort of ward them off, he put out in Alice scarecrow,

1111
01:25:29.000 --> 01:25:34.680
the really dumb form of huge scaly
humanoids leptardians. Oh that's just too much.

1112
01:25:34.760 --> 01:25:43.960
It's simply bogy. But that's all
I got. Rites Vault the Odious.

1113
01:25:44.399 --> 01:25:47.079
Thank you, thanks Vault. Quick
shout out to Trudy, Oh,

1114
01:25:47.199 --> 01:25:53.880
Trudy, Trudy Rhoda shout out experiences, Oh, sleep visits, sleep visiting

1115
01:25:53.960 --> 01:25:57.640
other people in particular. That's kind
of cool. We don't have time to

1116
01:25:57.720 --> 01:26:00.479
go over all of them, but
she says, I want to even found

1117
01:26:00.520 --> 01:26:03.319
myself inside a dog, which caused
me some confusion. I would say that,

1118
01:26:03.600 --> 01:26:06.399
yes, that would be confusing.
I was on my back and the

1119
01:26:06.479 --> 01:26:10.479
dog was laid on its side.
I was trying to put my hands down

1120
01:26:10.560 --> 01:26:13.840
to my sides and push myself into
a sitting position, but I just couldn't

1121
01:26:13.840 --> 01:26:15.880
do it. It wasn't until I
rolled to the side and saw Paul that

1122
01:26:15.960 --> 01:26:19.039
I realized what was going on.
That one woke me up pretty quick too.

1123
01:26:19.159 --> 01:26:20.960
I was like, Wow, I'm
a dog and then oh my god,

1124
01:26:20.960 --> 01:26:25.119
I'm trapped inside a dog's body.
All this makes me wonder about what's

1125
01:26:25.159 --> 01:26:28.560
really going on when people have night
terrors or visited by shadow people, and

1126
01:26:28.800 --> 01:26:31.119
is waking up in the experience or
not. I think people really need to

1127
01:26:31.159 --> 01:26:33.920
wake up spiritually because if they can't
perceive it, they have no chance of

1128
01:26:34.000 --> 01:26:38.560
defending themselves. That's a pretty good
point. Yeah. Anyways, I love

1129
01:26:38.600 --> 01:26:40.920
the show. Keep up the good
works. Thank you, Trudy, Thanks

1130
01:26:40.960 --> 01:26:47.359
Try, thanks for writing into Sure
Up Next, Great care fancy Faced they

1131
01:26:47.600 --> 01:26:56.960
run it around on his kidy fief
eaten wet food, Daly, if you've

1132
01:26:57.000 --> 01:27:02.840
got draft food, you can drink
gizpe. Great cat fancy Feast, and

1133
01:27:03.079 --> 01:27:12.880
a kid King of Halloween. I
feel like the ballad singing and the beatboxing

1134
01:27:13.039 --> 01:27:16.560
weren't weren't mission on? Hell No, I liked it exactly. How that

1135
01:27:16.720 --> 01:27:19.439
was a great cat fancy Feast.
How the hell are you well? How

1136
01:27:19.520 --> 01:27:24.560
to rights? Good news? Bad
news? Oh? No, good news?

1137
01:27:24.640 --> 01:27:27.840
Thank you very much for finally giving
me my King of Halloween certificate.

1138
01:27:28.239 --> 01:27:30.960
The live show was great, and
hang out afterwards was even better. That's

1139
01:27:30.960 --> 01:27:34.359
how old this email is. Email
is, email is That's how old this

1140
01:27:34.600 --> 01:27:39.880
email is. It's from April.
Yeah, but we're through April. Yeah,

1141
01:27:40.079 --> 01:27:43.000
we got one more and we're just
mail bag it again and try to

1142
01:27:43.199 --> 01:27:46.199
Oh yeah, tighten that buttle you
know that old phrase. Now to the

1143
01:27:46.279 --> 01:27:50.960
bad news an episode sixty three A
at around one hour, three minutes and

1144
01:27:51.039 --> 01:27:56.359
forty seconds approximately, Stecco says that
he will go into the penalty box every

1145
01:27:56.399 --> 01:27:59.920
episode and tell great Cat gets his
certificate. So, by my cat,

1146
01:28:00.239 --> 01:28:04.560
that makes an even eighty episodes.
Oh well, you got me dead to

1147
01:28:04.640 --> 01:28:06.680
rights. But let me tell you, and let me tell you the Trump

1148
01:28:06.760 --> 01:28:14.600
car to have up my sleeve.
I'm a fucking liar. I lied to

1149
01:28:14.840 --> 01:28:18.920
you. That was a falsehood,
a non truth, a deliberate obfiscation of

1150
01:28:19.039 --> 01:28:26.239
that which is real. He you'll
never catch me, Hey, my dirty

1151
01:28:26.720 --> 01:28:39.279
liar. Oh I really wish somebody
would animate me. Oh thanks, Greg

1152
01:28:39.359 --> 01:28:43.880
Cat. Sorry I lied to you, but make no mistake that was a

1153
01:28:44.039 --> 01:28:46.640
lie. Oh man, Yeah,
he put that thing in a very nice

1154
01:28:46.680 --> 01:28:50.199
frame. Yeah, it's gorgeous and
finally, Dave, we've heard from the

1155
01:28:50.680 --> 01:28:55.640
rish Daggle. O'sh daggle. How's
it been. I, in lieu of

1156
01:28:55.760 --> 01:28:59.520
one of my ridiculously overwrought puns,
I thought I'd share a story. Instead,

1157
01:29:00.199 --> 01:29:01.920
had a strange coincidence that made me
double take while I was listening to

1158
01:29:02.079 --> 01:29:05.720
the Bullstone Alcoholywood episode. In it, the four of you were talking about

1159
01:29:05.720 --> 01:29:10.199
the gentleman who was caught driving drunk
and when stepping out of his vehicle,

1160
01:29:10.319 --> 01:29:13.840
cow eyeballs fell out of his pant
legs. Oh yeah, which was since

1161
01:29:14.039 --> 01:29:17.000
proven to be totally bullish. While
the story is gross and a hoax,

1162
01:29:17.079 --> 01:29:21.800
sad face, and you all acquitted
yourselves well by making endless jokes about cow

1163
01:29:21.920 --> 01:29:26.600
eyeballs in anuses that sounds like us. Yeah. What will make this story

1164
01:29:26.640 --> 01:29:29.720
stick in my head forever is that
I saw an advertisement on a bus stop

1165
01:29:29.800 --> 01:29:33.720
bench that merely said, kneed eyeballs
right now as I was what right as

1166
01:29:33.760 --> 01:29:38.760
I was in the middle of all
of you all talking about eyeball soup.

1167
01:29:39.399 --> 01:29:42.159
It's lucky I was nearly at work, because that took me over the edge

1168
01:29:42.159 --> 01:29:45.239
of laughing so hard I was crying. I assume the ad was about the

1169
01:29:45.359 --> 01:29:48.199
power of advertising on the bench space, But now I can't help thinking there's

1170
01:29:48.239 --> 01:29:51.279
just this crazy guy with an ice
cream scoop and a dream who has an

1171
01:29:51.359 --> 01:29:58.560
upstart company. Eye bye. I
love that because it's what are the odds

1172
01:29:58.640 --> 01:30:03.560
of that? Synchron city Brother?
Thanks a young old pervert. What a

1173
01:30:03.760 --> 01:30:08.039
that's that's that's a great story.
It's great when the when the stars align,

1174
01:30:08.720 --> 01:30:12.439
h sometimes it makes you you forget
that we're on We're in the darkest

1175
01:30:12.439 --> 01:30:15.880
time line. That's right. Oh
you know what stars need to aligne five

1176
01:30:15.960 --> 01:30:19.760
of them on iTunes and you can
make that happen. Segue. I'm in

1177
01:30:19.920 --> 01:30:27.239
love with the sag Thanks for putting
us over three hildos on the Yeah,

1178
01:30:27.359 --> 01:30:30.680
eating that's a giant chunk. Yeah, that's great. We also are over

1179
01:30:30.880 --> 01:30:38.039
the halfway mark to thirteen hildos.
It's true on the Facebook. You've ever

1180
01:30:38.119 --> 01:30:40.399
heard of that? It's a big
deal. Yeah, it's a guy named

1181
01:30:40.399 --> 01:30:42.560
Mark. Though I thought it was
a good idea, you won't shut off

1182
01:30:42.560 --> 01:30:45.680
about it. Follow us on Twitter, blurry underscore photos, go to audible

1183
01:30:45.760 --> 01:30:48.760
trial dot com slash blurry photos.
Get yourself a free book. Get us

1184
01:30:48.840 --> 01:30:54.039
a Fiscal High five four. What
are you listening to? I am on

1185
01:30:54.279 --> 01:30:58.479
Song of Susannah in the Dark Tower
series. Sounds awesome, going well,

1186
01:30:58.760 --> 01:31:00.800
got this one in one more book
ago and I'll be done with old Stephen

1187
01:31:00.880 --> 01:31:05.960
King. Yeah, just in time
for Idris Elba and uh, fuck it

1188
01:31:06.039 --> 01:31:11.199
all up, Matthew McConaughey's in there
now. I'm actually fine with Idris Elba

1189
01:31:11.359 --> 01:31:15.319
and McConaughey casting, all right.
I just I don't think they're gonna do

1190
01:31:16.079 --> 01:31:20.000
from like Gun Slinger to Dark Tower, right. I think they're gonna do

1191
01:31:20.159 --> 01:31:25.199
something new here. I mean,
listen, when when is a Stephen King

1192
01:31:25.560 --> 01:31:29.159
film adaptation? Never gone awry?
Yeah? I think you're gonna be fine

1193
01:31:29.399 --> 01:31:34.159
real quick. We've gotten a few
emails, Facebook messages, pigeons, Hogwarts,

1194
01:31:34.199 --> 01:31:40.039
owls in from you guys, just
saying very nice things like we helped

1195
01:31:40.039 --> 01:31:44.000
you get through some some stuff.
We guys are awesome. We yeah,

1196
01:31:44.119 --> 01:31:47.199
we we We've been there and been
something that that you've you know, could

1197
01:31:47.239 --> 01:31:50.079
rely on or at least get a
smile from when you're going through some hard

1198
01:31:50.159 --> 01:31:56.079
times and know that we we appreciate
you as well, and we love hearing

1199
01:31:56.840 --> 01:32:00.880
about that, not not about you
going through bad stuff that we can help.

1200
01:32:00.199 --> 01:32:03.279
Yeah, it's it's it's good to
know that we're able to help in

1201
01:32:04.000 --> 01:32:08.439
whatever way that we indirectly can.
And that's awesome. So thank you guys

1202
01:32:08.479 --> 01:32:11.840
for that, Thanks for letting us
know. And and hey, you know,

1203
01:32:12.279 --> 01:32:14.279
you guys are the you guys are
the real heroes on that. You

1204
01:32:14.279 --> 01:32:17.239
guys some tough and you guys are
working through it, and of course I'm

1205
01:32:17.279 --> 01:32:19.880
impressed by that. Yeah, this
is this is the reason we do it,

1206
01:32:20.000 --> 01:32:23.760
that that that you guys, we
can we can bring a smile to

1207
01:32:23.880 --> 01:32:28.000
you, help you take your mind
off of the darkest timeline, right.

1208
01:32:28.359 --> 01:32:30.760
Yeah, And and Flora has to
put up with me every day, so

1209
01:32:30.840 --> 01:32:33.760
he's kind of a hero. He's
feeling your pain pretty directly. He's taking

1210
01:32:33.800 --> 01:32:36.560
a lot of bullets on your behalf. So yeah, I want to take

1211
01:32:36.600 --> 01:32:42.079
a second to mention dark Myths dot
Org. It's the podcast collective that we

1212
01:32:42.159 --> 01:32:45.039
are we are new proud members of. They're glorious and weird and they smell

1213
01:32:45.159 --> 01:32:50.199
like beef and cheese, delicious beef
and cheese, fresh beef and cheese,

1214
01:32:50.560 --> 01:32:56.039
fresh beef, aged cheddar Dark Myths
Collective. You can find a lot of

1215
01:32:56.520 --> 01:33:00.119
really cool podcasts on there, and
in particular want to point you towards the

1216
01:33:00.239 --> 01:33:04.000
Lone Gunman Podcast. It is not
a podcast for would be assassins. Correct.

1217
01:33:04.279 --> 01:33:08.640
It's hosted by Rob Clark, and
it is, as he puts it,

1218
01:33:08.760 --> 01:33:12.800
purely his own opinion, examining the
available evidence and testimony pertaining to the

1219
01:33:12.880 --> 01:33:16.199
assassination of jfk looking at history in
a new light. And he's got a

1220
01:33:16.239 --> 01:33:23.279
little clip for us. Here is
a bulletin from CBS News in Dallas,

1221
01:33:23.359 --> 01:33:28.640
Texas. Three shots were fired at
President Kunterday's motorcade in downtown Dallas, Dallas.

1222
01:33:29.119 --> 01:33:31.359
What's up, everybody? This is
Rob Clark from the Lone Gunman Podcast.

1223
01:33:31.760 --> 01:33:34.640
And if you're enjoying the show that
you're listening to right now, then

1224
01:33:34.680 --> 01:33:39.199
I invite you to check mine out. Is a true crime history based podcast

1225
01:33:39.279 --> 01:33:43.880
where you examine all kinds of conspiracy
theories, the players, the places,

1226
01:33:44.119 --> 01:33:48.159
the people surrounding the assassination of our
thirty fifth President, John F. Kennedy.

1227
01:33:48.640 --> 01:33:53.640
We debunk miss because there's a lot
of fake people, fake things,

1228
01:33:53.720 --> 01:33:58.439
fake information out there trying to mislead
you from the truth. Does this sound

1229
01:33:58.479 --> 01:34:04.439
like an assassin to you? I
work in that building. Naturally if I

1230
01:34:04.560 --> 01:34:16.880
work in that building. Yes,
man. That the famous words of Lee

1231
01:34:16.920 --> 01:34:20.760
Oswald, I'm just a passy.
Was he innocent or guilty? Tune in

1232
01:34:20.840 --> 01:34:27.880
and find out darkness dot org,
iTunes, Stitcher, tune in, radio,

1233
01:34:28.159 --> 01:34:32.640
spreaker, Thank you so again.
That's the Lone Gunman. Darkmouth's collective

1234
01:34:32.800 --> 01:34:38.079
at darkmouth dot org. Check them
out org. Uh and and perhaps the

1235
01:34:38.159 --> 01:34:43.039
biggest news just confirmed today. We're
doing a country album. Yeah, yeah,

1236
01:34:43.159 --> 01:34:45.479
yeah, yeah. We just got
the information from the small folks at

1237
01:34:45.520 --> 01:34:51.840
Patreon and they said, time to
put on some fringe and uh boot scoot

1238
01:34:53.039 --> 01:34:57.520
coma boogie. Yep. We we
have surpassed our goal, thanks to you

1239
01:34:57.640 --> 01:35:02.520
glorious patrons, and we will be
producing a paranormal country music album. And

1240
01:35:02.600 --> 01:35:06.840
I suspect you're sinking well cool,
When can I expect that? Shut up?

1241
01:35:08.079 --> 01:35:11.159
Okay, we just figured out we're
doing it seriously, seriously, seriously,

1242
01:35:11.279 --> 01:35:14.880
seriously. I've I've been playing guitar, but I don't know, I

1243
01:35:15.079 --> 01:35:17.239
probably need to brush up on other
instruments. Here's here's a fun fact.

1244
01:35:17.520 --> 01:35:23.079
I've been going doing a lot of
driving between Chicago and Iowa City, which

1245
01:35:23.239 --> 01:35:27.239
is about a four hour drive.
I've been using the time to um come

1246
01:35:27.319 --> 01:35:30.000
up with country songs. Yeah,
it's a good use of your time.

1247
01:35:30.079 --> 01:35:32.720
Yeah you want to hear one?
Yeah, let's go. It's been six

1248
01:35:33.000 --> 01:35:39.560
long year since it probe me and
the rear, Damn damn Aliens snatch me

1249
01:35:39.760 --> 01:35:44.399
off back of my John Dear.
So there you go. There's a free

1250
01:35:44.560 --> 01:35:51.039
free free song teasers with song Pleaser. It's right and uh oh Chicago Podcast

1251
01:35:51.079 --> 01:35:55.439
Cooperative. We had a ton of
fun at their offices. We got to

1252
01:35:55.520 --> 01:35:58.119
hang out with them and some swell
folks from WB Easy. Got to play

1253
01:35:58.119 --> 01:36:00.000
a ton of fun video games.
Oh yeah, I had a ton of

1254
01:36:00.079 --> 01:36:03.359
fun, not video games, ton
of a ton of good food. Well

1255
01:36:03.640 --> 01:36:06.000
yeah, thank you to Chicago Podcast
Car. But it was it was a

1256
01:36:06.039 --> 01:36:11.720
good time and Max Tempkin knows how
to throw a party. They as always.

1257
01:36:11.800 --> 01:36:15.600
We we love everything they do for
us and make sure you go listen

1258
01:36:15.680 --> 01:36:19.439
to some of their shows like Friendshipping
with Gin and Chin. Yeah, super

1259
01:36:19.520 --> 01:36:23.560
popular. They're super nice. Yeah, very nice. We met them there.

1260
01:36:24.239 --> 01:36:29.760
That should probably do it. For
this acoustic episode, it's unplugged episode

1261
01:36:29.800 --> 01:36:33.239
of Blurry Photos. For this episode, I have been the dark David Flora.

1262
01:36:33.479 --> 01:36:38.920
Now I've been Dave, no more
tour, Stecco no more talked.

1263
01:36:40.119 --> 01:36:44.640
Well, that's been too long hours
since this started. This pod by