1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:05,639 Quick note before we begin. There was a small glitch in our online recording 2 00:00:05,679 --> 00:00:11,199 that makes it sound like my audio skips every so often. If you're old 3 00:00:11,279 --> 00:00:14,679 enough like me to remember records, you know what I mean by skips. 4 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:19,320 Not sure what it was or why it happened, but it does resolve itself 5 00:00:19,359 --> 00:00:23,960 as we get deeper into the episode. Generally, my online recording platform is 6 00:00:24,039 --> 00:00:28,160 really reliable, so we'll cut them a little slack this time. Thanks for 7 00:00:28,199 --> 00:00:34,640 you understanding. Now let's get to it. I was doing a putting lesson 8 00:00:34,719 --> 00:00:37,840 with Bruce Ririck, so we do a lot of putting lessons together. My 9 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,039 students is just fantastic. And he goes, Josh, what was that he 10 00:00:41,119 --> 00:00:44,280 said the other day? That was just like so insightful. I'm like, 11 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:48,000 God must have said something stifling with Bruce. It's like so much of it 12 00:00:48,119 --> 00:00:52,079 is getting your setup correct, because if you get your setup correct, a 13 00:00:52,079 --> 00:00:55,600 lot of good things happened during the emotions. I said my quote was be 14 00:00:55,759 --> 00:01:00,000 careful in your setup and be care free in your slip. Woo ooh yeah, 15 00:01:00,039 --> 00:01:03,359 I know you get an from you. I'm writing that one down, 16 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,959 write it down. If you can quote me on that one. I don't 17 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:08,799 think I've had too many quotes through the years that people will actually quote me. 18 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,879 I think what happens is we kind of get the opposite where people aren't 19 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:18,560 really precise enough with their setups, so now they're destined to failure, and 20 00:01:18,599 --> 00:01:23,280 now they have to be super careful or restricted or compensate for a poor setup. 21 00:01:25,359 --> 00:01:27,239 Hi, this is Steve Han from Honeyton Beach, California, and I 22 00:01:27,239 --> 00:01:32,040 play at Metal Arc Golf Club. This is Golf Smarter number nine hundred and 23 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:38,159 seventeen. Be careful in your setup and be care free with your swing with 24 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:45,719 Josh Xander. This is Golf Smarter, sharing stories, tips and insights from 25 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,280 great golf minds to help you lower your score and raise your golf IQ. 26 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:55,359 Here's your host, Fred Green. Welcome back to the Golf Smarter podcast. 27 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:59,319 Josh, thanks for having me back. F It's always a pleasure, always 28 00:01:59,359 --> 00:02:01,879 a pleasure to talk to you. We always have so much fun just talking 29 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:07,400 random golf topics, which is the way I love to do it. It's 30 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,800 almost like we're walking down the fairway together, just getting into random conversation about 31 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:15,879 golf. So much fun. I love it. It's kind of a random 32 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:22,479 game anyway, So let's go random. Tell me how you online video lessons 33 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:27,599 are going and how accustomed people are getting to learning how to pay golf online 34 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:35,280 with somebody. Yeah, it's definitely happening. It's not the best way. 35 00:02:35,319 --> 00:02:38,439 I still love to see the person in person, just because it's just it's 36 00:02:38,479 --> 00:02:42,000 more intimate. You really get to know the person better and really can understand 37 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:46,039 how they're going to learn best, and you can try some things. But 38 00:02:46,039 --> 00:02:50,960 if you can't get to see me in person, that online works great too. 39 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,120 And I have an assessment process where I understand how you're designed to swing 40 00:02:54,159 --> 00:02:58,599 the club and I can really keep you on track. And so I have 41 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,439 students all over the world who you see me online, and it's a fun 42 00:03:01,479 --> 00:03:05,879 part of my job to meet people that ordinarily get to meet. So it's 43 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:07,879 great. It was one of the things that I loved of going working in 44 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:15,840 radio to working with podcasting is that with radio you're always restricted by geography and 45 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:20,199 time, and with podcasting you're not restricted by either of those. There's a 46 00:03:20,319 --> 00:03:24,039 special geography, and I would think for golf instruction it's kind of the same 47 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:30,800 way in the sense that you get to meet people that are not in your 48 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:35,599 regional area. You know. I guess with golf instruction, previously you had 49 00:03:35,599 --> 00:03:38,199 a ten mile radis maybe that people would be willing to drop to take a 50 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:45,000 lesson and hopefully somebody with all somebody and they'd come in from twenty miles away. 51 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:50,439 But now you can do it with people all over the world. Yeah, 52 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:54,560 now anytime. Yeah, it's really it's pretty It's pretty cool when you 53 00:03:54,599 --> 00:03:58,599 think about it that way. It's like the world is your you know, 54 00:03:58,639 --> 00:04:01,319 you have you have the opportunity to are your knowledge with with anybody who's who's 55 00:04:01,319 --> 00:04:04,800 interested, and I'm in if you're interested, let's go, let's go on 56 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:09,199 this journey together, and let's have some fun and let's learn on the way, 57 00:04:09,319 --> 00:04:13,120 enjoy the process and and uh and get better. Yeah, which is 58 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:14,919 what we're all trying to do. It's what I'm still trying to do, 59 00:04:15,159 --> 00:04:17,160 not just as a teacher, but as a player. I still I may 60 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,160 be I may be deluting myself, but I still think my best golf's in 61 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,319 front of me. And I've played some pretty good golf in the past. 62 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,959 So I'm still trying to get better, and I still have epiphanies and I 63 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,800 love sharing that information. And we're always learning more and it's all it's all 64 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:32,959 part of the fun. So the more people who can join in I'm in 65 00:04:33,199 --> 00:04:36,959 that amazes me because I can you to talk. The longer I play, 66 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:43,759 more I learned, the more understanding of nuance that I get in the game. 67 00:04:44,199 --> 00:04:56,319 What is your latest epiphany in your game? Well this may seem a 68 00:04:56,319 --> 00:05:00,519 little trivial, but I was just working. And I I actually have a 69 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,240 coach I work. I work on my game with Terry Rowlds, just a 70 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:08,519 fantastic, you know, top one hundred coach, and I'm always bugging him 71 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:13,920 with questions and and h He's a really deep thinker about things, and and 72 00:05:13,959 --> 00:05:16,560 he understands how I'm designed to swing. We both use Mike Adom system of 73 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:20,240 assessments, so we know bio mechanically how I'm designed and and I'll say, 74 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:24,480 what do you think about this? And and uh. And the other day 75 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,120 I was on the lesson unlesson to you in between lessons, and I just 76 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,800 hit a few balls and I was just trying to get a little bit more 77 00:05:29,959 --> 00:05:33,439 depth with my right shoulder, which gets everything more around, allows me to 78 00:05:33,439 --> 00:05:36,480 deliver the hit a little bit more from the inside and shallow me out a 79 00:05:36,519 --> 00:05:42,519 little bit, and he goes for your for your style, which is somebody 80 00:05:42,519 --> 00:05:45,600 who covers the ball a little bit more. I come down a little bit 81 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,639 steeper. It's a perfect match. So increase. Not only that, as 82 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,839 I started to get a little more depth, I started to look at my 83 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:55,959 clubbeds. Be my clubbeds be starting increase a little bit, which is always 84 00:05:56,439 --> 00:06:00,720 fun. Now at age fifty five and I'm seeing some Yeah, so I 85 00:06:00,759 --> 00:06:02,519 think, of course, because now you're making a bigger you're making a bigger 86 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:06,639 coil. And I have a lot of thoracic rotation, and it just wasn't 87 00:06:06,759 --> 00:06:12,560 using it. But the key that unlocked it was the right shoulder back as 88 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,920 opposed to just trying to turn my core. I actually got the right shoulder 89 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:20,040 to be as far behind me as I could, and went from eighty nine 90 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:25,199 miles an hour on a sex sign to ninety three with that, which unlocked 91 00:06:25,639 --> 00:06:30,360 speed and an unlocked a better angle club delivery into the golf ball. So 92 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,439 little, just a little light bulb went off, and you know, we'll 93 00:06:33,439 --> 00:06:41,040 see how long that feel lasts. Feels are very fickle. I tell that 94 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,000 to my students who might have a feel that works, and you can run 95 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:45,839 with it for a few weeks, and then all of a sudden, that 96 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,759 same queue doesn't necessarily produce the results you want. We were talking about how 97 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:54,120 golf is. Golf is a random game and feels come and go, and 98 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:59,319 reminds me of a story years ago when I think it was Ian Poulter was 99 00:06:59,319 --> 00:07:00,839 struggling with the game, but he said, I'm just going to be patient 100 00:07:00,879 --> 00:07:06,040 because I know one or two things is going to come my way and I'm 101 00:07:06,079 --> 00:07:09,120 going to go on a run here. And sure enough he did, and 102 00:07:09,879 --> 00:07:12,120 because he was about to lose his card, and he ended up playing really 103 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,279 well for a few weeks. And it's one of those things as a golfer 104 00:07:15,319 --> 00:07:18,439 you have to be patient because sometimes those fields are going to really click in 105 00:07:18,519 --> 00:07:23,399 for you and other times you're going to be in a little bit of a 106 00:07:23,439 --> 00:07:27,279 slump. And it's okay to be in a slump. You have to weather 107 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:31,600 those and that's a challenge mentally, which is another obviously huge skill in this 108 00:07:31,759 --> 00:07:34,839 game, is to be able to weather the downs and the ups. We 109 00:07:34,879 --> 00:07:38,680 just saw in the Ryder Cup. You know, how does a player react 110 00:07:38,759 --> 00:07:41,839 to somebody else chipping in when they deserve they thought they deserve to win the 111 00:07:41,879 --> 00:07:46,839 hole. I mean emotional roller coasters, and when it comes to fields, 112 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:53,399 feels after a while you work on them and they're not so fresh anymore. 113 00:07:53,519 --> 00:07:56,639 They don't quite work that one more, and you have to find the next 114 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:01,279 field that gets the swing to look and perform the way you want. And 115 00:08:01,839 --> 00:08:05,079 reminds me of my college golf coach, you know, as we're talking in 116 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:09,519 the mid to late eighties, he was one of the first ones to really 117 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:13,399 get into using a lot of video, and he used to say, well, 118 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,959 video doesn't lie. Well, Now with all the all the tools we 119 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,120 have, we can say, well, video actually does lie. If the 120 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:24,399 camerangles off, we're not getting all the great data we get from force plates 121 00:08:24,439 --> 00:08:26,839 and pressure mats and things like that. So video quote unquote lie. But 122 00:08:26,959 --> 00:08:31,879 in general video is a pretty good tool. Still, most great teachers are 123 00:08:31,879 --> 00:08:37,759 out there with their with their iPhones shooting video. And what he would say 124 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,320 is like, what's the what's you know, what's the field that's creating the 125 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:45,519 right picture. And it might not be the same from week to week or 126 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,159 month to month, you know, so who knows when the next little light 127 00:08:48,159 --> 00:08:52,600 bulb is going to go off for me. Another light bulb that's kind of 128 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,759 got off for me is really and I've known this all along, but it's 129 00:08:54,759 --> 00:09:00,879 just the it's the transfer of energy into the golf ball into the club head, 130 00:09:01,639 --> 00:09:07,759 and everybody, including me, likes to hit it longer. So I 131 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,600 used to do well. I still do this program called the Junior Competition Clinic, 132 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:16,399 and I would measure all my kids in the program, measure their clubhead 133 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:20,559 speed. When they started, and we had a ten week program, I'd 134 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:22,600 write their clubhead speed. Get my track man, o't get their clubhead speed, 135 00:09:22,639 --> 00:09:24,639 and I write down, okay, it's seventy five miles an hour. 136 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,399 And then I put on a big index card with a sharpie, seventy five 137 00:09:28,399 --> 00:09:30,320 miles an hour. I said, okay, on week ten, we're going 138 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,600 to retest you after you've done some speed training. And then I would give 139 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:37,480 a prize to the to the kid who had the biggest increase in their clubhet 140 00:09:37,519 --> 00:09:41,600 speed. So motivated them to do it. And then they of course would 141 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:43,440 want the coach to hit balls too and see what my clubhead speed was. 142 00:09:45,399 --> 00:09:52,279 And I would make some practice things before I would get on the track man, 143 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,279 and then they would be almost like a baseball player with a big step 144 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:03,559 first, like literally taking a ste up my lead foot, lowering myself into 145 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:07,360 the ground and exploding up. And I would do that without even thinking. 146 00:10:07,399 --> 00:10:13,399 Is just like that's how my body learned how to or that's all my body. 147 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,120 That's how my body needed to move in order for me to generate the 148 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,279 most clubheit speat I could. So I could basically show off in front of 149 00:10:18,279 --> 00:10:22,279 these kids and show them I still I can still hit the ball three hundred 150 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:28,440 yards right. And that was an epiphany because you don't necessarily think about that 151 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,240 when you're in a regular golf stance. But if you really wanted to hit 152 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,080 if you just if you just took a stick, like maybe one of those 153 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:37,200 super speed sticks that has a little weight at the end, or the stack 154 00:10:37,279 --> 00:10:39,320 system that has a weight at the end. He said, Okay, all 155 00:10:39,399 --> 00:10:41,960 I'm trying to do here, I'm not trying to hit the ball straight. 156 00:10:41,039 --> 00:10:46,679 I'm just trying to make this stick go as fast as possible. What does 157 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,879 your body do to do that? Right? And when I was making my 158 00:10:52,039 --> 00:10:56,480 step and bracing into the ground, what that bracing is is basically a breaking 159 00:10:56,519 --> 00:11:01,399 mechanism that allows the next segment. In this case, the club had to 160 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:07,799 whip passity rather than dragging the handle pulling on the handle. It's like, 161 00:11:07,879 --> 00:11:11,480 no, how do you get that club head to go the fastest. Well, 162 00:11:11,519 --> 00:11:16,120 it's kind of like cracking a whip or snapping a towel. If I 163 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,720 snap a towel, I have to pull the lead end back for the trail 164 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:24,399 end to go flying by. So that is a breaking mechanism. Right. 165 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:30,799 If you watch Rory McElroy, he actually on his downswing has a stoppage or 166 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:35,919 even a reversal of his hips. That is an incredible breaking mechanism that lets 167 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:41,159 that club head go flying by really really fast. So it's one of those 168 00:11:41,159 --> 00:11:45,240 things where your body already knows how to do it. Any athlete who's ever 169 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:46,759 hit a ball, the tennis, ball, at baseball, that's what they 170 00:11:46,799 --> 00:11:50,120 do. I've got videos. I'm a huge baseball fan. I grew up 171 00:11:50,159 --> 00:11:54,960 in Venezuela. Baseball was the biggest sport. I played little league baseball, 172 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:58,080 and I love watching great hitters hit. And if you watch it's the same 173 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:03,879 sequence. They step in with their lead foot and then that braces and actually 174 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,759 they push back off that lead foot and then the bath head comes whipping around, 175 00:12:07,919 --> 00:12:11,039 and if you don't do it in that sequence, you're just simply not 176 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,480 going to be as powerful. So in order to be powerful and efficient, 177 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:18,519 you have to have a stopping or bracing or breaking mechanism. And I don't 178 00:12:18,519 --> 00:12:22,360 know if enough people really work on that, So I would say getting more 179 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:28,519 into teaching that on a regular basis, especially since most people are looking for 180 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:30,600 more power. I'm like, how are we going to get as efficient as 181 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:35,639 possible? So I'll take my impact bag and I'll give my students an alignment 182 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,240 stick and I'll say, Okay, just make the loudest sound you can against 183 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:43,200 that impact bag. Just just make it like, whack it as hard as 184 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:48,720 you can, and they'll start to learn how to be efficient. Next thing, 185 00:12:48,759 --> 00:12:52,240 you know, they're airborne and impact because they're using the ground so well. 186 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,720 It's like, yeah, look at that. You're looking like an athlete 187 00:12:54,759 --> 00:12:56,960 now, not when you're swinging the club, but when you're actually trying to 188 00:12:58,039 --> 00:13:01,840 generate speed. And then, if you think about it, this is one 189 00:13:01,879 --> 00:13:03,679 of my pet peeves and I'm going down this. I know that we tend 190 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:07,639 to talk about stuff and I just go down these these rabbit holes. But 191 00:13:07,159 --> 00:13:13,519 you got me going, I'm I'm gonna go at this right. But so, 192 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:20,799 if you think about it, the purest form of power is when you're 193 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,200 trying to swing it as fast as you can without worrying about where the ball 194 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:28,120 goes. Right, you're just swinging. Like I just said, you out, 195 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,600 just make the fastest swing you can, and then it's my job as 196 00:13:31,639 --> 00:13:35,919 an instructor to be able to organize you in a way where when you do 197 00:13:35,039 --> 00:13:39,519 swing that powerfully or that explosively, the ball goes where you want to go. 198 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:43,399 Because most of the time we're restricting ourselves in order to get the ball 199 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:48,080 to go from point A to point B. So, for example, if 200 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:54,720 your grip is too strong for your biomechanics, if you let it go and 201 00:13:54,799 --> 00:13:58,679 totally release everything, you're going to hit a huge hook. So how many 202 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,600 of those are you going to hit before you start restricting your release? Right, 203 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,559 So it's my job to get your grip organized in a way where you 204 00:14:05,639 --> 00:14:09,759 can swing it as fast as you can, as athletically as possible, and 205 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:11,960 the ball goes where you want to go. Now you're more willing to free 206 00:14:13,039 --> 00:14:16,200 it up, let it go, trust it. All that stuff we hear 207 00:14:16,279 --> 00:14:20,320 all the great players say they do. You just watch these top players hit 208 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:26,600 their drivers. Nobody's trying to finesse it into the fairway. They're all exploding 209 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:31,720 into these golf balls, extremely athletic motions, but they hit it straight. 210 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:35,279 And they really have to hit it straight because at three point forty you can't 211 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:39,320 hit it very far off line and keep it in the fairway. You can 212 00:14:39,399 --> 00:14:41,200 if you hit it one forty. You don't have to be very good at 213 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:45,080 having a good club face at one forty, But if you hit a three 214 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,200 forty, you better have that club face pretty square impact, So you better 215 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:52,720 have your your grip, your posture, your ball position, all the little 216 00:14:52,759 --> 00:14:58,039 details organized in order for that ball to go straight at that speed. Now, 217 00:14:58,039 --> 00:15:01,480 if you think about stability and club hit, and this is another one 218 00:15:01,519 --> 00:15:03,000 my pet peeves when people say, well, I got to slow down. 219 00:15:05,919 --> 00:15:07,679 I'm not a big fan of slowing down because it's really hard to hit it 220 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:15,440 farther if you're slowing down. Now, Smooth is good, syrupy, relaxed, 221 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,399 all those kinds of words, but not slow, because slow is just 222 00:15:18,519 --> 00:15:22,200 less speed. I think I've said this on the podcast before, but when 223 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:26,320 I went my first job in golf, instruction was with Hank Caney, and 224 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:28,639 he said, Josh, if you take a bad swing and slow it down, 225 00:15:28,639 --> 00:15:31,840 it's just a slow bad swing. Let's fix it and then speed it 226 00:15:31,919 --> 00:15:35,240 up. Right. So, if you think about stability, if you take 227 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,960 a string and you hold and you put a little weight at the end of 228 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,919 the string and you start to spin it, the faster you spin it, 229 00:15:41,919 --> 00:15:43,759 the more stable it is in its orbit. Right, the slower you do 230 00:15:43,799 --> 00:15:46,440 it, the more wobbly it is. So we need that inertia. We 231 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:52,320 need that momentum in order for that clubheit to be stable. That club face 232 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,679 in golf, we're trying to hit a ball straight in baseball, and you're 233 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,440 great if you hit it to everywhere right, it's like we can't predict where 234 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,159 to put the because he hits it to all fields, so good for you. 235 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,279 Well, in golf, we can't hit it to all fields. We 236 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:10,039 got to play our foul balls right. So we need a club face. 237 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:15,600 It's very stable and oriented towards our target. Reasonably does not be perfect, 238 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:19,399 but reasonably. I remember when I when I first got my track man got 239 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:23,200 bols. Maybe it's fifteen, eighteen years ago, whatever it is now, 240 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,679 I was talking to Matt Frielich, who's I think he's still involved with the 241 00:16:26,679 --> 00:16:30,200 company and was selling track man's I said, I said, so, when 242 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:34,480 you test touring pros, what do their club faces look like relative to the 243 00:16:34,519 --> 00:16:38,159 targeted impact? I mean I was looking at like, how, how what's 244 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,799 the what's the dispersion? How left or right? Can you have a club 245 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,320 face and still play at the highest level except most of them are within two 246 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:51,320 degrees of zero with their club face at impact, give or take. You 247 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:52,120 know, it can be a little open, little closed, but they're not 248 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:56,679 like five degrees open or seven degrees open or seven degrees because you can't just 249 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,879 can't play golf that way. If you have a club face that's that on 250 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:04,160 stable because your grip is incorrect for you, then you are in restriction mode. 251 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:08,000 And if you're in restriction mode, you are slow. And if you're 252 00:17:08,079 --> 00:17:11,720 slow, you don't get one of the two things that everybody asks me when 253 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:15,079 I get to the lesson to you, I want more speed, I want 254 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,440 more distance, and I want more accuracy. Well, you get the accuracy 255 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,319 part, but you're not going to get the distance part. But if you 256 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:25,799 want both and to play to your potential, we need both. Then we 257 00:17:25,839 --> 00:17:29,960 need to organize you, which is why I assess everybody with Mike Adam's system 258 00:17:30,079 --> 00:17:33,640 of assessing golfers boto. Mechanically, she takes a total of I think I 259 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,640 do it if I do it really efficiently, two minutes. If I do 260 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,880 it inefficiently, it takes me three minutes. I get carried away with some 261 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:44,240 conversation or something. This is that quick. Now I know exactly how you're 262 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:48,920 supposed to do it. So even with people who do my online stuff that 263 00:17:48,039 --> 00:17:52,640 I've never seen before, I get them on video and I do the measurements 264 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,680 with them. So I understand. I don't want to take anybody down the 265 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:57,160 wrong road. I want to know what your body can do and how you 266 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:04,319 deliver the club face consistently for your body type. But yeah, so that's 267 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,359 that's, uh, I guess that's my uh. That's I don't know if 268 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:11,680 that's an epiphany, but it's something that I'm putting more into my teaching. 269 00:18:11,279 --> 00:18:17,559 I want I want my players to be to reach their potential. And I 270 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:22,839 work with everybody from you know, five year olds to ninety year olds, 271 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,839 and I want everybody to be as efficient as possible. Okay, I'm gonna 272 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:30,599 stop you. I'm sorry, I need to stop it. There's a dock 273 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,160 the door, and it's the sponsors who would love to have something say here, 274 00:18:33,839 --> 00:18:37,400 So we're gonna be gotta pay a bill, so we'll be back right 275 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:48,880 after this. Must of times you mentioned as fast as possible and as hard 276 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:56,160 as you can. Yeah, I are those the same thing. When you 277 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:03,799 teach or can they be tea to part, I would say it as fast 278 00:19:03,839 --> 00:19:07,839 as possible, but I'd like to amend the as hard as you can, 279 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:15,240 because when you're being very efficient, you're not really trying. You're more allowing, 280 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:22,079 You're more letting. I think one of my videos I did recently was 281 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:26,279 on the difference between trying and letting. You really want to allow these things 282 00:19:26,279 --> 00:19:32,440 to happen, which is when I was talking about like just taking an alignment 283 00:19:32,519 --> 00:19:36,200 stick an alignment stick and hitting against the impact bags and try to make a 284 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:41,559 loud sound. It's amazing how relaxed people are when they do it well and 285 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:48,440 fast and powerfully, and how slow they are when they're trying to do it 286 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:53,799 grinding and trying to do it hard. So you find yourself on the practice 287 00:19:53,839 --> 00:20:00,240 team or the lesson te and you're super grinding and the effort level super high. 288 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:07,759 Something's not very efficient because most efficient things are not hard, they're easy. 289 00:20:07,279 --> 00:20:11,039 You hear this in the in the words coming out of great players. 290 00:20:11,599 --> 00:20:14,640 It was easy, it was fun, it was I was relaxed, you 291 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,480 know, I was. It was smooth. Right. You look at like 292 00:20:17,559 --> 00:20:21,839 Freddie Couple's and bj Singh and and players like that, you just see it 293 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:29,839 just looks effort less rather than effort full. And I was doing a a 294 00:20:29,839 --> 00:20:33,359 a putting lesson with with Bruce Rarick, who's I don't know if you've if 295 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:37,279 you've had them on your podcast, if you had so, we we do 296 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,839 a lot of putting lessons together my students is just fantastic. And he goes, 297 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:42,680 Josh, what was that you said the other day that was just like 298 00:20:44,079 --> 00:20:45,599 so insightful. I'm like, oh, I must have said something stifully, 299 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,759 And I said, because with Bruce, it's like so much of it is 300 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,319 getting your setup correct, right, because if you get your setup correct, 301 00:20:53,759 --> 00:20:56,720 a lot of good things happened during the emotions. I said, I said, 302 00:20:56,839 --> 00:21:02,480 my quote was be careful in your setup and be carefree in your swing. 303 00:21:03,599 --> 00:21:07,319 Right. Yeah, I know you'd get an I'd get a new I'm 304 00:21:07,319 --> 00:21:11,319 writing that one down, Write it down, write it down. You can 305 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,240 quote me on that one. I don't think I've had too many quotes through 306 00:21:14,279 --> 00:21:15,400 the years that people will actually quote me, But that one, I think 307 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:22,160 is a it's it's it might be the title of this episode be careful in 308 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:26,200 your set be care free in your swing. Yeah, And I think the 309 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:30,559 I think what happens is we kind of get the opposite where people aren't really 310 00:21:30,599 --> 00:21:34,640 precise enough with their setups, so now they're destined to failure, and now 311 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:41,160 they have to be super careful or restricted or compensate for a poor setup. 312 00:21:41,799 --> 00:21:45,400 So how nice would it be if you could set up for a golf ball 313 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,000 and know that more often than not it's going to go where you want to 314 00:21:49,039 --> 00:21:52,519 go, and you can just let it go. Then there's no herd, 315 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:57,240 there's no try, there's just allow, there's let there's freedom, there's trust, 316 00:21:57,559 --> 00:22:02,160 all this stuff that we always want more. We're playing our best golf. 317 00:22:03,039 --> 00:22:08,720 The Vision fifty four, Pia and Lynn talk about this all the time. 318 00:22:08,799 --> 00:22:12,400 It's like, what's your what's what's the best version of you? And 319 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,359 they have you write down a piece of paper. Chuck Cogan had me do 320 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,200 this when I was when I was working with him as a when I was 321 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,839 a touring professional. He said, take a piece of paper, put a 322 00:22:21,839 --> 00:22:23,200 line down the middle, and on the left side, write down how you 323 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,240 are when you play great. On the right side, how you are when 324 00:22:26,279 --> 00:22:30,680 you don't play great. Well, it's really it's the same for everybody. 325 00:22:30,799 --> 00:22:32,799 Like on the left side of a piece of paper, when you're playing great, 326 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,400 it's easy, it's fun, it's smooth, it's soft, it's calm, 327 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,119 it's quiet. On the other side, my brain's busy, I'm trying 328 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:44,119 really hard, my grip pressure is too tight, I'm analytical. Yeah, 329 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:48,160 it's it's just it's distracted. It's almost the same for everybody. I'm not. 330 00:22:48,279 --> 00:22:51,000 I mean, everybody's individual, and so you can have different things going 331 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:56,920 on. But I know that for almost every golfer, if they knew they 332 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:03,079 were going to be okay, they would let go. But they're not sure 333 00:23:03,079 --> 00:23:07,480 they're okay. So if we can give them that sense of safety by saying, 334 00:23:07,519 --> 00:23:08,839 hey, you know what, let's take a little bit of time and 335 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:14,400 make sure that club face is correct and that grip is correct and your ball 336 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:18,720 position is correct. I was yesterday I was given up a cent and I 337 00:23:18,759 --> 00:23:23,200 was overhearing somebody working with one of the one of the guys on the men's 338 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:30,359 Stanford golf team, and and he said he was working on the kids driver 339 00:23:30,799 --> 00:23:33,880 and the driver's going everywhere, and he goes and he goes. If you 340 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,799 change your setup every time it's different, how can you expect the thing to 341 00:23:37,799 --> 00:23:42,200 go in the same place every time? And these aren't things that it doesn't 342 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:49,160 take a world class golfer to set up well. Amend that it doesn't take 343 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,480 a world class athlete to set up well. It just takes an organized person. 344 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,960 It might take a world class athlete to swing it like Roy Now, 345 00:24:00,759 --> 00:24:03,079 okay, fair enough, he was born with quite a bit of talent, 346 00:24:03,319 --> 00:24:07,799 more than most people who've ever swung off club. But if he's not organized 347 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:12,400 at that power level, his ball's going everywhere. So if you go to 348 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:17,880 a tour event and you're watching, I get to go to the AT and 349 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,559 T every year, so I actually caddy for one of my students there and 350 00:24:21,839 --> 00:24:26,039 I love just hanging out on the range watching all the players practice. Well, 351 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,039 there's so much stuff down on the ground for their ball position, for 352 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,920 their for their alignment, you know, for the you know, they're taking 353 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,000 their time with their grip. They're very organized, right. I would say 354 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:42,319 that there being a really good player is somebody who it starts with being really 355 00:24:42,319 --> 00:24:45,480 good at everything you do before you hit the shot, from the technical to 356 00:24:45,519 --> 00:24:49,440 the mental to put yourself in the proper mental state to execute, and put 357 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,920 yourself in a proper technical position to be able to execute. And if not, 358 00:24:53,279 --> 00:24:57,319 then the whole swing, you think about it is a compensation for a 359 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,839 poor setup, and it is disaster because you're mentally in the wrong place, 360 00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:14,079 which is how too many people play golf. Oh hi, okay, I'm 361 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,519 here. I just I think I didn't know if you were taking your breath 362 00:25:17,599 --> 00:25:25,359 or in your thought. So okay, so let me ask you about the 363 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:34,759 sound of a golf swing. Okay, what if you really pay attention, 364 00:25:36,759 --> 00:25:42,880 you can hear the swish of the club going by going through its motion. 365 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:53,200 Where in the swing should I hear the strongest part of that sound. Should 366 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:59,880 that be at the top of the swing, from the bottom forward at the 367 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,200 Does that make any sense? Yeah? Yeah, yeah it for me, 368 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,000 it should happen just barely passed the ball, just barely passed the ball. 369 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:15,079 I wouldn't even mind saying it's at the ball the maximum speed. Would love 370 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,960 to have right around where the ball is, so you'll hear the beginning of 371 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:23,200 that sound and the fallow through of it from the time you make contact through. 372 00:26:25,319 --> 00:26:29,799 Yeah, if you're doing it too early, you're not going to deliver 373 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,559 the most speed to the ball. It's all we're gathering all this stuff, 374 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,920 right. So somebody asked me the other day what is the release? This 375 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:42,720 is an interesting conversation. When I ask somebody what the release is, it's 376 00:26:42,759 --> 00:26:48,880 amazing. I get this perplexed look. It's like this term we use all 377 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,279 the time in golf, and when I ask people say, well, what's 378 00:26:52,319 --> 00:26:56,200 your what's your definition of release? It is like these kind of look at 379 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,920 me like I don't know. The club face turns over, my arms roll. 380 00:27:00,039 --> 00:27:03,640 I'm like, what's the definition of release? To let go? Right? 381 00:27:06,599 --> 00:27:10,519 What are we doing? What are we releasing? Well? In the 382 00:27:10,559 --> 00:27:15,000 backswing, your trail arm folds, you got some elbow in, you got 383 00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:18,319 some loading of the wrists, and then we release both of those. So 384 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,640 I just like to use a free throw, like you know, we love 385 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,160 the warriors here we live. Steph Curry so I say, okay, show 386 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,480 me your your imitation of Steph Curry's three point shotters free throw, and they 387 00:27:27,559 --> 00:27:32,319 bend their arm and they bend their wrists and they let it go. They 388 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,440 release both those angles. So I'd say that's an arm release. Okay, 389 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,359 all right, What are you doing in your back coiling your body right and 390 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,559 then that's going to get released. What are you doing with the ground where 391 00:27:45,559 --> 00:27:49,279 you're pushing into the ground and then you're exploding up, Well, you're releasing 392 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:53,759 your legs too. If you watch especially LPGA tour players or the long drive 393 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,559 guys, their legs are straightening through impact, right, so they have bend 394 00:27:59,559 --> 00:28:02,079 in their knees and then they extend their knees and a lot of them are 395 00:28:02,079 --> 00:28:06,240 airborne at that point. So the release, as far as I'm concerned, 396 00:28:06,319 --> 00:28:08,519 is the loading and unloading up all those parts, and they all accumulate to 397 00:28:08,519 --> 00:28:11,880 give you this explosion at the bottom. So if you're trying to make that 398 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,200 sound at the right place, you've got to be able to release it at 399 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,240 the right place, but you also have to be able to load it. 400 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,079 You have to load those joints. So earlier, when we were talking about 401 00:28:22,279 --> 00:28:26,359 a bigger rotation for me. Well, if I want more rotation through the 402 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,680 ball and faster rotation, well I need to load it bigger. I can't 403 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,319 hit a punchhot as far as I can hit a full shot, Well why 404 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:38,240 not. One of the reasons is I haven't coiled as much. I use 405 00:28:38,279 --> 00:28:41,960 a piece of technology called sports Box, which is a really cool three D 406 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:48,680 three D app. I recommend every instructor use it because it actually quantifies. 407 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,400 It's what we used to have to do with all the electrodes on you and 408 00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:56,839 get into a lab. Now you can do with video. It's incredible and 409 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,880 it tells you the numbers. So I had this one student who was turning 410 00:29:02,079 --> 00:29:06,119 about sixty sixty degrees with his torso, and he's a big, strong guy, 411 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:07,960 can still hit about two sixty. I'm like, man, this is 412 00:29:08,039 --> 00:29:15,160 like a teacher's dream. I'm going to increase this person's torso rotation to eighty 413 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,759 to ninety and he's gonna love me because he's gonna get twenty five more yards. 414 00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:22,359 And I told him, you don't get twenty five every week, That's 415 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:27,440 not how it works. He started turning bigger all of a sudden, whoe 416 00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:30,880 He's twenty twenty five yards longer, and we can kind of quantify it, 417 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,319 which is one of the cool things. So give a little plug to that 418 00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:37,480 app. I have no I'm not involved with them on any ownership basis. 419 00:29:37,519 --> 00:29:44,119 I just love the product. So how is his accuracy though? Oh well, 420 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:45,440 well, what do you expect? Right? I gave him the grip 421 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:52,759 that works for him. His accuracy is great. I don't know if I 422 00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:55,240 ever told you this story, so, but you're not going to right now. 423 00:29:55,240 --> 00:30:06,480 We're gonna be telling that story. Will come back right after. Previously 424 00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:10,720 on Golf Smarter, Josh Sander was saying, I don't think I've ever told 425 00:30:10,759 --> 00:30:12,960 you this story. I haven't told you the story so when it was a 426 00:30:14,119 --> 00:30:17,599 really maybe I have. I mean, we've done a few of these now, 427 00:30:18,079 --> 00:30:21,279 we don't know how many of this is for us. Now it's I 428 00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:25,559 have not looked. It's a lot grown old and that's getting better every time 429 00:30:25,599 --> 00:30:27,519 too. I love it. So one of the things I did this my 430 00:30:27,599 --> 00:30:32,119 thirtieth I think this is my thirtieth season teaching. When I first started teaching, 431 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,319 there really wasn't the infrastructure in place to learn how to be a good 432 00:30:34,319 --> 00:30:37,920 coach. It's a lot better that PGA has done a better job. There's 433 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,839 better mentoring out there now, but in my in my era, you sort 434 00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:45,480 of had to seek it out yourself. And one of the things we did 435 00:30:45,519 --> 00:30:51,880 have was a PGA Coaching and Teaching Summit was happening at the time, and 436 00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:56,640 they were very good at taping everything, and so you could order the videos 437 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,359 from all the presentations, and so I'm like, Okay, if I'm going 438 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,680 to learn how to really be the best teacher I can be, I am 439 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,480 going to go fly and sit on sit on a golf bag behind a great 440 00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:11,319 teacher to watch. But I also would like to have more information. So 441 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,559 I ordered the entire set, like you got a deal if you ordered the 442 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,319 entire sets. A big investment for me at the time, but it was 443 00:31:18,359 --> 00:31:22,519 a great one. And one of the videos I saw was just a panel 444 00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:26,799 of like four or five of the top teachers at the time, and they 445 00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:29,720 were asked a very simple question that was, what's the most important part of 446 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,400 the golf swing? And the first person said, it's the grip, And 447 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,480 I'm kind of rolling my eyes. I'm like, come on, the grip, 448 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,559 big deal, right, It's like, give me some torus. So 449 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,720 rotation. Give me some you know, give me some power stuff, give 450 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,160 me some fun stuff, you know, some sexier stuff. It's like. 451 00:31:47,599 --> 00:31:51,759 And the more I teach, the more I realized that guy was right, 452 00:31:52,359 --> 00:31:56,559 because if that grip is wrong, you can't hit it straight. And if 453 00:31:56,559 --> 00:31:59,759 you can't hit it straight, you're going to restrict your power to try to 454 00:31:59,799 --> 00:32:01,480 hit straight right. We can't ignore the fact that we're trying to hit the 455 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,880 ball from point A to point B right. You can have all the power 456 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,640 in the world, and if you can't direct it at your target, so 457 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,200 understand. And when I say the grip, and he didn't go into this. 458 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,160 He just said, my answer is the grip, And somebody else said 459 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,759 my answer is, you know the difference between hips and torso rotation. But 460 00:32:17,799 --> 00:32:20,799 whatever it was, I can't remember at this point. The one that really 461 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,880 hit me was the grip, just because I thought it wasn't that important. 462 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,960 And then here I am, thirty years later saying that guy was right. 463 00:32:29,839 --> 00:32:34,400 The grip is not just the grip. It's the grip that's correct for you, 464 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,839 which is different for everybody. Like I, I'm a little old school. 465 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,799 I have a sheet of paper where I do my assessments, and I 466 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:45,599 got these big binders that I carry around me. I have to somehow put 467 00:32:45,599 --> 00:32:51,720 them online. But every sheet in there is a different person. When I 468 00:32:51,759 --> 00:32:53,880 go through the assessments, it's very rare that any of those people. There 469 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:59,160 are two thick binders and hundreds of sheets in there, and it's very unusual 470 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:04,400 to see two people exactly the same right, So that gives me the blueprint. 471 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,960 I'm going to teach this person differently. They need different things, right. 472 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,960 But going back to the grip, the grip is not just how you're 473 00:33:10,079 --> 00:33:14,599 designed to put your hands on the club, but also understanding what a square 474 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:19,279 club face is. I can't tell you how many people set up. They 475 00:33:19,359 --> 00:33:22,160 might have a grip that's quote unquote correct for them, but the club face 476 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,720 isn't is a little closer, it's a little open. And by the way, 477 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:29,160 very few people have an open club face that address when I measure them. 478 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,480 And I have a cool device that David Adl made. It's called the 479 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,599 grip Analyzer where you can put your club in there and you can see where 480 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,559 your club face really is relative to the target. And I'll say it's five 481 00:33:38,599 --> 00:33:43,599 incus open, fiors close, whatever it is rarely do I see somebody with 482 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:49,400 a with an open face. Here's a here's a tip for the manufacturers out 483 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:53,119 there, or a thought for the manufacturers. Design a club that makes it 484 00:33:53,160 --> 00:34:00,480 easy for people to have the club face look square and be square because there 485 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:05,359 their eyes tend to gravitate to the top edge versus the leading edge, and 486 00:34:05,359 --> 00:34:08,400 they want to get the top quhere, and the face is then basically fifteen 487 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:12,599 degrees closed. Well, what are you gonna have to do to not hit 488 00:34:12,599 --> 00:34:15,360 a dead left? You're gonna have to hold off right now, you're shorter, 489 00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:22,360 thank you very much. Right, So the grip is a relationship between 490 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:27,639 how you're designed to hold the club and the proper club face. And I'm 491 00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:36,239 going to stop my thought there. Why I'll just want to say that that 492 00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:42,519 and if that's wrong, you're making golf super hard. I'm concerned about your 493 00:34:42,559 --> 00:34:45,320 notebooks. Do you back them up? Do you make copies of them? 494 00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:52,320 Do you If I lose a sheet, it takes me two minutes to get 495 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,400 the information back with the person in person, So that's not a big deal. 496 00:34:55,679 --> 00:35:00,559 But yeah, they're getting They're getting so heavy that I'm like, I 497 00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:01,679 got to figure out a better way to do this, and the people I 498 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,239 do my online stuff with, they're like, we're gonna give you that. 499 00:35:05,559 --> 00:35:10,480 Oh man, I know you're an Apple person like I am. Ever since 500 00:35:12,079 --> 00:35:16,840 I was able to get an Apple pencil on my iPad every interview, I 501 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:22,559 mean, I had thirteen or fourteen notebooks from all the interviews that I was 502 00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:24,840 doing. Well, now they're all in the same app and I just take 503 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:30,079 notes and I can use like highlighters of different colors and pens and different stroke 504 00:35:30,159 --> 00:35:34,519 lengths, and I can make all these notes and they're all in one place 505 00:35:34,559 --> 00:35:37,119 and it's backed up every night. Oh my god, I got just thinking 506 00:35:37,159 --> 00:35:43,920 about your notebooks makes me cringe. Yeah, okay, okay, well we'll 507 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:52,880 talk about that offline. You mentioned Terry Rolls earlier and I reacted. I 508 00:35:52,079 --> 00:35:57,559 heard so many different instructors talk about Terry. I did do an interview with 509 00:35:57,679 --> 00:36:02,679 him earlierly on. He had an in door uh set up teaching setup in 510 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:07,360 San Francis and in financial district of San Francisco, and I went and did 511 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:13,400 it. Yeah. I did a session with him and recorded an interview and 512 00:36:13,519 --> 00:36:16,039 have not been able to get him to respond. I would love to have 513 00:36:16,159 --> 00:36:20,480 him back on the show. Because he is such an incredible wealth of information, 514 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,639 as are you. I'm not discounting what you have to say because you 515 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:30,639 blow my mind every time. He's fantastic. He'd be you would do a 516 00:36:30,679 --> 00:36:35,880 great job on your show. He's a he's an innovative thinker, he's a 517 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,599 researcher, he's a great communicator, he's he's a gem, and we're lucky 518 00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:46,880 to have him in our in our business for sure. Absolutely absolutely. So 519 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:53,280 now i'm talking, I'm thinking about I'm just curious about your bag. How 520 00:36:53,559 --> 00:37:00,679 far do you hit a nine iron? Nine? So if you're you got 521 00:37:00,679 --> 00:37:04,920 a one thirty five shot, you're going, I can just hit my nine 522 00:37:05,079 --> 00:37:07,480 R and I'll be okay with that. Yeah, and I might grip down 523 00:37:07,519 --> 00:37:12,239 like an eighth of an inch and hit it. Just kind of account that's 524 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,239 subtle. An eighth in the inach will make that much difference on your yardage? 525 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:16,400 Yeah, it makes it. It'll make three or four yards out. 526 00:37:17,639 --> 00:37:21,639 Wow, And you can do that. I'm not like Phil where I know 527 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,960 the exact calculations. You know. He's got that great interview with David Ferdy 528 00:37:25,039 --> 00:37:30,079 that I have people people look at from time to time where he says Hey, 529 00:37:30,159 --> 00:37:32,159 David, do you want to know it really goes onto my head. 530 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:37,960 Everybody should watch that. It's fascinating what goes through his head. He talks 531 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:42,559 about different kinds of grasses. He talks about barometric pressure. He talks about 532 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,000 having two stock swings that go to different distances. If it's with the grain, 533 00:37:46,039 --> 00:37:50,559 if it's down the grain, if it's teed up, versus when it's 534 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,400 on the grass. Whether you know it's early in the morning, it's it's 535 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,440 later in the afternoon. He takes in account all that stuff, and obviously 536 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:04,639 that's happening for him at a split second. And if I was playing professionally, 537 00:38:05,159 --> 00:38:12,000 I would definitely go out because distance control. Here's another I know you 538 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:21,960 always get me going it. Controlling your distance is an underappreciated form of accuracy. 539 00:38:22,199 --> 00:38:25,559 Most people say, well, you know, they're like, so, 540 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,320 I'll tell you a story. So I'm taking a lesson from one of my 541 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,960 mentors, Jim Hardy, at one of his seminars, and he and I'm 542 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,559 hitting four irons and I and he points out, okay, go hit it 543 00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:38,960 at that palm tree at the end of the range. And I hit a 544 00:38:39,039 --> 00:38:43,320 solid four iron that's about fifteen yards left, and I kind of roll my 545 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,199 eyes like that man' gonna scrape over another ball and goes, hang on, 546 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:50,159 Josh, what was wrong with that one? I said, well, it's 547 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,639 left. It's it's like twelve to fifteen yards left. He goes, okay, 548 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,559 so you're forty feet left of the hole. You hit it solidly, 549 00:38:57,639 --> 00:39:00,920 so you're pin high. Can you get down in two from forty feet? 550 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,559 Like? Of course, I cannot say they're going to be an easy lag 551 00:39:02,639 --> 00:39:07,239 putter or just a simple chip and run shot. He goes, what are 552 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:12,800 you trying to do from two hundred and ten yards? He said? I 553 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,880 said, what do you mean? He is, well, aren't you just 554 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:21,119 trying to make a three? And then I love showing this to my students. 555 00:39:21,159 --> 00:39:25,559 I get Scott Faucet's little you know Scott Faucet, Yeah, from a 556 00:39:25,639 --> 00:39:29,880 decade golf. He's got these little cards he hands out at all his seminars 557 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:34,079 and it tells the scoring average from every distance. And I don't know, 558 00:39:34,079 --> 00:39:37,199 two hundred and ten yards it's like three point three or something to get into 559 00:39:37,199 --> 00:39:40,000 the hole for a touring pro. Now I'm not a touring pro. So 560 00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:44,679 if I can make a three from two hundred and ten yards, I'm gaining 561 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,679 a third of a shot on the best players on the planet. So why 562 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,440 was Jim saying that to me? Because he's like, dude, you just 563 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,599 got to hit it solidly, so you can hit it pin high. You 564 00:39:53,639 --> 00:39:58,880 don't have to be so precise with your accuracy after all, trying to get 565 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,440 a club face to point out I think two hundred and ten yards away is 566 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:07,159 really hard not to mention the fact that there's atmospheric conditions too that might kick 567 00:40:07,199 --> 00:40:08,920 your ball offline. Right, even if you're perfect, then there might be 568 00:40:09,039 --> 00:40:13,960 like a little piece of dirt that the ball collected from, you know, 569 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,119 when it bounced on the drive. I mean, what you need to do 570 00:40:16,159 --> 00:40:19,960 is you need to hit the ball solid. And Tiger's talking about this forever. 571 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,440 It's like, I try to hit the ball pin high to a reasonable 572 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,880 place, and if you can make a three from two hundred and ten yards, 573 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:30,239 you're doing great. So that really hit me hard because I'm like, 574 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:31,840 huh, and by the way, what are you trying to do when you 575 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,239 have a seven iro in your hand. You're trying to make a three also, 576 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:37,840 not just a four. I'm just make a three with your seven ear. 577 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:42,119 If you make a two, then then that's a bonus. But when 578 00:40:42,199 --> 00:40:45,000 touring pros and obviously refer to them a lot because because we get so much 579 00:40:45,039 --> 00:40:52,320 information from everything gets tracked on tour right and again, Tiger talks about this 580 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,719 a lot. What are you trying to do. You're trying to burny the 581 00:40:54,760 --> 00:41:00,840 par fives. That's four opportunities right there, because you're going to be around 582 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,000 the green in two if you hit two good shots, get those up and 583 00:41:04,039 --> 00:41:07,960 down. There's a sixty eight. If you can average sixty eight, you're 584 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:14,000 going to be the leading scoring average on tour. Okay, you're gonna win 585 00:41:14,039 --> 00:41:16,639 the garden. If you average sixty eight. You have four opportunities right there 586 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,079 if you can par the rest of them. Birdie the par fives. And 587 00:41:20,159 --> 00:41:22,760 I know that's not how golf goes, but you're gonna have some random shots 588 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,079 that you're aiming at the middle of the green and the seven arm of a 589 00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:29,360 sudden goes two feet from the hole, and you're gonna make a few birdies 590 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:30,920 that way too, because you're gonna hit some of your dispersion is gonna end 591 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:35,159 up around the hole. As long as you're smart about where you where you're 592 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,079 aiming, and that's a that's a Scott Faucet conversation. He's expert in matter. 593 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:43,320 Mark Brody, Yeah yeah, put on both money. Yeah great, 594 00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:46,679 so so. But the thing is you've got to hit it solidly, because 595 00:41:46,679 --> 00:41:50,559 if I'm trying to hit one hundred and fifty yard shot and I hit it 596 00:41:50,639 --> 00:41:53,880 one hundred and thirty dead online, that's a twenty yard miss. If I'm 597 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:58,440 trying to hit one hundred and fifty yard shot and I hit it one hundred 598 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,039 and fifty but I missed ten yards left, that's only a ten yard air. 599 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:06,119 That's much better than a twenty yard era. I might rather be thirty 600 00:42:06,119 --> 00:42:09,960 feet than sixty feet right, So online, hitting it dead straight not as 601 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:14,199 important. We went reasonably straight, and remember I'm going to help you with 602 00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:15,920 your grip to make sure it's going to go reasonably straight. But hit it 603 00:42:16,039 --> 00:42:22,360 solid right, So that's what we're That's what really really after. If you 604 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,880 can make solid contact and have a predictable flight, you can play some great 605 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:30,000 golf. It's the mishits more than the offline that really messes people up. 606 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:34,079 By skull that I chunked it, you know, it's like or I think 607 00:42:34,119 --> 00:42:37,280 my seven ron goes one fifty, but it actually goes one thirty three when 608 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:38,360 I hit it solidly. But I didn't know that because I have too much 609 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:43,800 ego to do that. You know, I can't tell you how many people 610 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,760 think their seven ron goes one fifty. Oh so on track man, and 611 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:51,400 they're actually going one thirty five. Buddy. Sorry, we can work on 612 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,440 your distance maybe to get it to one fifty, but don't pull a seven 613 00:42:53,519 --> 00:42:57,559 arn at one fifty. You're gonna end up in the front bunker. Yeah, 614 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,639 even get it online. It's in the front, Yes it is. 615 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:05,960 I just I love when you name drop and I can go, oh, 616 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,519 they've been on the show. Oh, they've been on the show. Makes 617 00:43:07,559 --> 00:43:12,840 me feel either that I'm doing something right or that we know the same people. 618 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,719 And the reason I bring that up because we're going to hear what's happening 619 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:22,840 this week on Golf Smarter Mulligans. And I know that Jim Hardy's episode is 620 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,719 coming up soon and I'm not sure if it's this week or not, so 621 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:29,320 let's take a listen and we'll be back after this. Well, Jim Hardy's 622 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,719 episode will be published in about a month, but this week on golf Smarter 623 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:37,400 Mulligans. It's the first of a two part conversation with a columnist from The 624 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:44,360 Wall Street Journal on a piece he wrote called Golf's Biggest Delusions Nine things that 625 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:49,639 people say about golf that isn't true. But a big part of this episode 626 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:54,039 follows this line of questioning, are there specific golfers that you enjoy covering? 627 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:59,679 You? Know? Some of my favorite golfers are Phil Mickelson, Steve Stricker, 628 00:44:00,199 --> 00:44:05,320 Jim Furick, Rory McElroy. Because Still is the guy that will give 629 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,159 you an interesting, responsive answer to questions, unlike a lot of them. 630 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:13,320 He thinks of himself as an intellect and a wit, and he is. 631 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,119 He's not afraid to try to say something new or thoughtful. He's thinking it 632 00:44:16,159 --> 00:44:19,920 over. Some people say he's a little full of himself, and maybe he 633 00:44:20,039 --> 00:44:22,559 is, but I like him. He's famous for standing there for hours giving 634 00:44:22,599 --> 00:44:27,840 autographs. Generally a very personable guy. He sometimes we'll talk about economics and 635 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,079 deliver ultimatums on what should be done, as if his opinion is more valuable 636 00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:35,599 than everybody else. Is a little bit Tiger is the opposite of that. 637 00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:40,719 Tiger is actually pretty forthcoming on explaining his golf game and technique, and he 638 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:45,199 actually reveals a lot of stuff in that respect, but you get him off 639 00:44:45,199 --> 00:44:49,920 subject and he's just a chess grand master about five moves ahead of you in 640 00:44:50,039 --> 00:44:53,480 not revealing things. That's episode two hundred and thirty three of Golf Smarter Mulligans, 641 00:44:53,559 --> 00:44:59,679 the first of two episodes featuring golf columnist who covered the four majors each 642 00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:04,400 year for The Wall Street Journal, John Paul Newport, being featured on our 643 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:10,119 podcast Offspring Golf Smarter Mulligans being released this Friday morning. Originally published in March 644 00:45:10,159 --> 00:45:15,280 of twenty twelve. So if becoming a better smarter golfer only once per week 645 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:20,880 isn't enough, then don't miss the chance to get two episodes every week with 646 00:45:21,079 --> 00:45:25,039 Golf Smarter, the golf podcast that proudly focuses on how to improve your game 647 00:45:25,559 --> 00:45:31,440 and Golf Smarter Mulligans, episodes from our archives that revisit the best of Golf 648 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:43,159 Smarter. They're both available for free from wherever you're listening right now. How 649 00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:47,639 much of those Phil Mickelson details he goes through that you talked about a moment 650 00:45:47,679 --> 00:45:54,440 ago are relevant to recreational golfers now? I play. I try to play 651 00:45:54,480 --> 00:46:00,079 twice a week, and that's a lot of golf for most people. I 652 00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:02,400 mean, if they get out once a week, they're pretty happy. It's 653 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:07,119 once a month, twice a month maybe, you know, and you know, 654 00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:12,440 with some practice, hopefully that goes with that. But a lot of 655 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:19,400 those details that you talked about that Phil thinks about with every shot, I 656 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,000 wouldn't know what to do with and how much do I need to know? 657 00:46:22,679 --> 00:46:29,519 I'm talking about playing at the highest level. Of course, the difference between 658 00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,960 you know, gaining a third of a stroke here and a third stroke there 659 00:46:34,039 --> 00:46:37,840 might be the difference between several hundred thousand dollars in your in your pocket at 660 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:39,400 the end of the week with the amount of money that they're playing for these 661 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:47,119 days, the amount of money he's gambling for each round. Stick to my 662 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:55,559 lane, which is more about just I would say that you don't have to 663 00:46:55,559 --> 00:47:00,639 be that specific, but let's just say, like I love to do playing 664 00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:05,519 lesson and it's amazing how many strokes I can save somebody when I'm actually on 665 00:47:05,559 --> 00:47:09,239 the golf course with them. So assessing a loe, for example, a 666 00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:14,039 ball that's sitting a little bit up in the rough and the grass is growing 667 00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:19,599 with you. Alert, this ball is going to go far down green, 668 00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:24,159 out of the rough, super super long distance into the green out of the 669 00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:30,039 rough. Ball just does not go anywhere. So I tell us a lot 670 00:47:30,039 --> 00:47:36,079 of people, especially the kids who are trying to play high level junior college 671 00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:38,360 golf, professional golf, over the green is the worst place to be. 672 00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:44,519 You airmail the green. You never hear an announcer say, oh, airmail 673 00:47:44,559 --> 00:47:51,000 the green. He'll be fine. Oh boy, it's in somebody's backyard. 674 00:47:51,039 --> 00:47:53,719 It's hit a cart path, it's in a flower bed. At best, 675 00:47:53,960 --> 00:48:00,760 you're hitting a short game shot down a hill where the green's growing, going 676 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:07,280 away from you. Right. So I'll share a story. I was playing 677 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:13,039 in a member pro at Olympic Club, and I don't really play in tournaments 678 00:48:13,039 --> 00:48:15,360 anymore, but one of my students like, hey, come and play with 679 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,119 this with me. I sure. So we get on the second the second 680 00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:21,519 not the second hole Olympic, but our second hop is was a shotgun and 681 00:48:21,519 --> 00:48:22,880 I hit the ball just barely into the right rough. I've got like one 682 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:28,280 hundred and seventy yards. That's a that's a comfortable seven rons for me. 683 00:48:29,079 --> 00:48:32,480 And the ball was sitting up and it was down green and I took my 684 00:48:32,559 --> 00:48:36,280 seven iron and instead of hitting one hundred and seventy, I hit about two 685 00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:44,079 o five. The ball took off on me into a into some chunk behind 686 00:48:44,119 --> 00:48:47,119 the green. That my next shot was. I was on my knees with 687 00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:53,239 a five wood with a shaft literally resting on the ground, the entire shaft, 688 00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,800 trying to scrape it out from under there. That was my next shot. 689 00:48:58,639 --> 00:49:01,880 Needless to say, I made a set him and he was just it 690 00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,199 was the best ball. So he was on the fringe and two and he 691 00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,559 four putted because he was cavalier about his little tapping. So we ended up 692 00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:12,320 two over par after two holes. Right away, You're you're not You're already 693 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,559 way too far behind to you know, you can't make a double as your 694 00:49:15,559 --> 00:49:20,320 best ball anyway, just because of lack of playing time. Because I'm like 695 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,719 a lot of the people you're saying, play once a month or twice a 696 00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:24,880 month, and I just didn't remember that one little detail. Now, if 697 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,920 I was a touring probably to look at them and said, okay, I'm 698 00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:30,079 okay. If I leave it short of the green, I'm going to take 699 00:49:30,119 --> 00:49:34,320 like a nine iron here, and if I end up in the front bunker 700 00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,760 or chipping from the front of the green. I'm a good enough short game 701 00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:37,840 player. I could get that down to make a four, but the worst 702 00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:42,199 thing I can do is airmail this green, right, So you really have 703 00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,360 to be careful about those those kinds of things. So it's you don't have 704 00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:51,000 to be as detail this, but you have to have some some ability to 705 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,719 to understand what's in front of you, because it's not about just making good 706 00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:58,159 swings. It's about making good decisions, and a lot of those decisions are 707 00:49:58,159 --> 00:50:01,079 based on, Hey, what's the situationuation here? Where should I aim this 708 00:50:01,199 --> 00:50:06,000 ball? What is the la going to do to my ball? It's eight 709 00:50:06,159 --> 00:50:08,559 like we're in a heat wave right now. It's ninety degrees at Stanford today. 710 00:50:08,599 --> 00:50:13,119 The ball goes farther than when it's sixty degrees. There's just no doubt 711 00:50:13,159 --> 00:50:16,039 about it. You can't expect the ball to carry as far when it's cold. 712 00:50:16,119 --> 00:50:20,760 And I remember watching the President's Cup when it was at a harding park 713 00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,880 and they were on the I guess it was the second hole during the tournament. 714 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,079 Was actually the eleventh hold the little par three. It's one hundred and 715 00:50:27,159 --> 00:50:29,719 sixty yards and some of these guys were hitting seven irons. These are tour 716 00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,760 players. Well, it was soupy, foggy, dense. The ball wasn't 717 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,920 going anywhere, right, That's usually a wedge for those guys. They were 718 00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,800 hitting seven irons how much? Oh, finally they're hitting numbers that regular people 719 00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:45,719 hit us because they're in San Francisco. Ye weather, right, So you've 720 00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,679 got it. I mean, if you don't have that as part of your 721 00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:51,599 skill set, then yeah, you're going to be your ten, fifteen to 722 00:50:51,599 --> 00:50:53,800 twenty handicapper, even if you have the skills of being a single digit golfer, 723 00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,679 because you just you don't know the game. You know how to swing 724 00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,880 the club, but you don't really know how to play golf. There was 725 00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:05,800 this one student of mind who came to UH. I had Mike Adams and 726 00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:09,679 Terry Rolls come in and do a clinic with me. And this kid who's 727 00:51:09,679 --> 00:51:15,039 now playing college golf, just explosive player, and uh he was hitting the 728 00:51:15,079 --> 00:51:17,880 ball grade and with a little bit of help, he was hitting it fantastic, 729 00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,840 and Mike just kind of pulled me aside. He goes, all you 730 00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:22,679 got to do with this guy is just teach him how to play the game. 731 00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,519 He knows how to hit it all right, just like you need to 732 00:51:25,519 --> 00:51:29,159 get out there on the golf course. And and so we did a playing 733 00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,840 lesson and and I'm understanding, what are you thinking? You? What do 734 00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,159 you what do you what do you try to do with this shot? What 735 00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:37,960 you know? That kind of stuff is what's going to take him to a 736 00:51:38,039 --> 00:51:43,400 level where he'll play high level Division one golf and maybe professional golf. It's 737 00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,159 not hitting any better. He hits at three point thirty and on a with 738 00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:50,559 a two yard fade. I mean, kid kills it any shot he wants. 739 00:51:50,639 --> 00:51:52,760 He's he's very creative. So he's got all the talent in the world, 740 00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,360 but he's got to learn how to apply it. And so that's the 741 00:51:55,400 --> 00:52:00,159 player that really needs to have a conversation with Phil Nicholson or with me to 742 00:52:00,159 --> 00:52:02,719 start to understand how to play the game, rather than just like, Okay, 743 00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:07,000 I'm just going to work on my You know, it's interesting because you 744 00:52:07,079 --> 00:52:10,119 said about the decisions that are made. Too many decisions are made based on 745 00:52:12,199 --> 00:52:17,039 wherever, you know, all all the various elements involved. It looks to 746 00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:24,239 me in playing recreational golf that most decisions are made based on the numbers that 747 00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:28,840 come off your rangefinder. Everyone pulls out their rangefinder and me they stand next 748 00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:30,519 to the ball. They pull out the rangefinder, they look for the pin, 749 00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:32,960 they get a number, they go grab a club. They don't look 750 00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:38,840 at where the ball is sitting. They don't look at which way the wind. 751 00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:43,960 Well, yeah, okay, the wind will be something though. Oh 752 00:52:44,039 --> 00:52:45,840 let me just toss a little grass here and see what that means. Does 753 00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,159 do you really know what that means? I don't think you really know what 754 00:52:49,199 --> 00:52:53,440 that means if it's blowing hard or not. Are we doing to say, 755 00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:59,599 again, how react with How is the ball going to react when it lands? 756 00:53:00,119 --> 00:53:04,559 You may want at one eight because this because the greens are really firm 757 00:53:04,599 --> 00:53:07,519 and you're coming out of the rough with no spin. Right. It's just 758 00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:13,400 those kind of subtleties. That's that's playing the game. I had two golf 759 00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,840 coaches in college, and one liked us to practice a lot and the other 760 00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:20,960 guy liked us to play a lot. And there comes a point where when 761 00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:22,840 you have the skills, it's a matter of like how do I apply the 762 00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:27,440 skills? So if you if you're a if you're a reasonable, reasonable ball 763 00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,840 striker, and you have a couple hours on your hand, Go play nine 764 00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:35,000 holes instead of just going to the range on a mat that's aligning you to 765 00:53:35,079 --> 00:53:38,239 the same place and beaten seven irons and five irons and drivers for two hours. 766 00:53:39,039 --> 00:53:43,960 Go learn how to play the game. Go throw balls if you can. 767 00:53:44,559 --> 00:53:45,000 You know, you got to keep up the pace of play. But 768 00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:50,800 go throw balls in random places and an experiment. What do I have to 769 00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,800 do? Obviously I can't when I'm doing playing lessons. I'm like, you 770 00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:59,519 now have the benefit of my forty seven years of playing, in thirty years 771 00:53:59,559 --> 00:54:04,760 of teaching experience to look at a shot and help you go through my mental 772 00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:08,920 processes of what needs to happen, assessing the lie's the what's the win, 773 00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:13,000 how's it going to react? All those things? Is the grain growing with 774 00:54:13,039 --> 00:54:14,840 you? Is it? Is it away from you? What you know? 775 00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,840 All the little subtleties that you'll hear in that Michelson conversation that are going to 776 00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:21,320 help you make a good decision. So now you have a chance, because 777 00:54:21,519 --> 00:54:23,400 one of the worst things is you hit a great shot and you have a 778 00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:29,199 poor result. That's kind of a bummer. I just hit that, I 779 00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:34,199 hit that seven are an Olympic beautifully man that was flushed two hundred and five. 780 00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,840 Look at me, big muscles, two hundred and five. Welcome to 781 00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:42,039 making a seven on a part four early on and your partner's like, oh, 782 00:54:42,079 --> 00:54:50,519 I brought this, probably made a truth. I'm gonna we'll talk about 783 00:54:50,519 --> 00:54:52,519 this afterwards, but I want to get the link to that Michelson interview. 784 00:54:52,639 --> 00:54:57,360 Will put it in the show notes and on the blog post for today's episode. 785 00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:01,039 Also there, I would like to include some amazing offers that you'd like 786 00:55:01,119 --> 00:55:06,079 to make to the Golf Smarter community. Yeah. So I've got a couple 787 00:55:06,079 --> 00:55:10,440 of different offers. One is I've got a private video library that you can 788 00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:15,719 subscribe to and there's a fifty percent offer on that for yearly subscription. And 789 00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,679 then also if you want to join my online program, there's one hundred dollars 790 00:55:19,679 --> 00:55:22,400 off my online program where I can shepherd you through your golf and we can 791 00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,719 go on this journey together. I can assess you, make sure that you're 792 00:55:27,079 --> 00:55:29,880 holding the club, you're in the right posture, doing all the things that 793 00:55:30,119 --> 00:55:34,639 are the way you're designed to play your best golf. So we have that 794 00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:38,519 assessment, and then I basically coach you along the way and keep you on 795 00:55:38,559 --> 00:55:43,000 the proper pass. So there's an offer there as well, So looking forward 796 00:55:43,039 --> 00:55:46,320 to it. I want to throw some flowers your way. I always really 797 00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:54,280 enjoy our conversations. You're a great question asker, interviewer, and I know 798 00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,920 we talked about some things that we were going to talk about on the show 799 00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,400 and we never got to any of those. It means it means you just 800 00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:05,320 get to do this again, hopefully sooner rather than later. But you have 801 00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,480 great guests on your show. I really I'm I'm a fan. I'm a 802 00:56:07,519 --> 00:56:12,559 little well, thank you, and I enjoy I enjoy just hanging out and 803 00:56:12,599 --> 00:56:15,760 talking to you. Oh it's all too kind. I really appreciate it because 804 00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:20,000 I really love spending the time with you too. So there's going to be 805 00:56:20,039 --> 00:56:22,199 two links that I'm going to put in the show notes and in the blog 806 00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:29,559 posts at golf smarter dot com. One is for let's see, it's the 807 00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:36,920 video consultation and one hundred dollars Yeah, yep, one hundred dollars off the 808 00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,800 program if you decide you want to join and go on the journey with me 809 00:56:40,199 --> 00:56:45,000 or the other one or and you can sign up and just have access to 810 00:56:45,039 --> 00:56:49,760 my video library, which talks about all different parts of the game, So 811 00:56:50,599 --> 00:56:53,599 constructural library. Yeah, okay, and that's is there a cost to that 812 00:56:53,639 --> 00:56:59,320 part? Yeah, so it's it's one hundred dollars subscription per year, and 813 00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:04,480 there's a fifty percent off if you use the Golf Smarter coupon perfect. Thank 814 00:57:04,519 --> 00:57:08,199 you, Josh, thank you for all this information, and maybe someday we'll 815 00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:13,960 actually talk about Hopefully someday soon we'll talk about all the things that we discussed 816 00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,119 before we started recording. There you go, there's so much to talk about 817 00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:24,440 and so little time. Well, I found the YouTube video of flahertyan Mickelson 818 00:57:24,679 --> 00:57:30,000 that discusses everything that goes on through Phil's mind with each shot. The link 819 00:57:30,119 --> 00:57:35,599 to that and to Josh's generous offers are in today's show notes and in the 820 00:57:35,639 --> 00:57:40,079 blog post when you visit today's episode at golfsmorter dot com. It's time to 821 00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:45,920 thank this week's newest Golf Ambassador, Steve Hahn from Huntington Beach, California, 822 00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:50,400 one of my favorite beaches ever. 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