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Sasquatch Experience. Well, guys, everyone, welcome to the Sasquatch Experience for
Monday, January fifteenth, twenty twenty four, Martin Luther King Day, as
we celebrate this sort of solemn day and remembrance and appreciation. But guys,
it is great to be here to talk about our favorite subject, of course,
Sasquatch as we know it. We got a very interesting show tonight here.
Van's kind of came up with this one called The Big Distraction, And
after the little bit of housekeeping, we'll throw it over to Vance and we'll
get started. Folks. I'm Sean the Fort Choppforker. Over to my left
is James Baker, Vance, Nesbitt, Matt Arner, and Henry May.
Of course we're all labeled, because well we should be labeled. So yeah,
folks who may be joining us for the first time, know who the
hell we are if you're not just familiar with our voice. But we've been
on a role here. We had who did we have on last night?
Eli Watson last week talking about Bigfoot the Road to Discovery. That was a
great episode, well received, folks still talking about that one. And of
course if you listening in, we all sound pretty pretty damn good tonight.
Some upgrades and improvements made the show to make us sound better, lots of
things to be happy about, some real good shit that has been in the
works. Guys, welcome tonight. What's on your mind? We'll start with
Baker go around the horn, and then we'll get going. Well by you.
But this cold is just getting a little bit too much for me.
But it is January, so I expected it. Yeah, all right,
I ran out of allergy pills, so I'm just kind of dealing with other
medication. Yeah. Well, well, drinking problems away, bag. Yeah,
it is cold, that's for sure. Vance. How are you doing.
Hey, I was up at three point thirty this morning to prepare myself
for my full time job, and it was minus fifteen degrees. I'm like,
well, thank you, and my car started right up and I'm like,
wow, that's even a bigger thank you. So yeah, it's been
a miserably brutal cold, but we'll get through this. We've got a week
of this and then it should break and we'll get out of the climate change,
you know, global warming. We'll get out of that whole sphere.
Well, we got you back to normality again. We got you to work
this weekend doing some behind the scenes stuff for the show, so it was
quite busy. Henry, How are you surviving down there in the Mississippi state.
Oh, we're getting along. We're getting along, although traffic is a
little slow on the roads now, as much traffic as we usually get because
of the ice being on the roads. But did you get the ice?
Did you get the ice out? Was it still a block from nineteen ninety
four? No? Poor Henry, Poor Henry, and Matt my friend,
how are you? Yes, sir, I'm doing pretty good today. Again,
we do have the cold here. We have more snow coming tonight,
so we're it's gonna hit us. I think a little heavier on this side.
So yeah, I'm looking forward to I love the snow. I'm I'm
one of those rare people. I mean, you know, the cold weather,
the you know, the snow. The only thing I could get get
away from is the ice. But other than that, everything else is like
winter Wonderland. My wife doesn't really particularly care for that. She's more of,
hey, let's go down south. Me on the other hand, I'd
rather be you know, up out in the mountains or skiing or snowboarding or
something. You know. So, uh so this is my time of year.
Well it's good for footprints. So we'll see you have any wintertime reports
coming in from the Keystone State or even out where everybody else is at.
We know, we got Henry there in Mississippi. You know, we've got
We've just got people all out and about Guys, Vance and Illinois. So
when we bring this show to you every week, just keep in mind we're
bringing everybody continentally into this for you know, a different kind of conversation.
But Guys is a great show with Eli last week. I can't thank you
enough. Folks, go back and take a look at that. Our website's
been updated, so folks can go and check out every episode we have.
If you go and click on the show title, launch the Players so you
can go listen to that episode. That was a lot of work, but
I got that up for everybody as well. Enough about this crap, let's
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your sighting or encounter info at Sasquatch Experience dot com. Vance Episode ninety one
tonight, the big distraction. Let's talk about what's on your mind. You
put this show together, you threw me the concept. I thought it was
great and said, what the hell, let's run. Well. Look,
you know, some weeks back, I did the news segment and I would
throw in the new segment the big Distraction for the Bigfoot Bullhorn. And the
reason why I did that is because currently geo politically, things are so upside
down. I mean, there's so much going on around the world in our
own country, and I know a lot of people are very concerned and upset
and have stress issues over this, and you know, I wanted to call
that the big distraction on the big Foot bullhorn. So I figured, you
know, geopolitically, they throw something shiny over here and say, oh,
take a look at this. Here's a UFO report, take a look at
this. There's been ten foot aliens seen in Miami at a shopping mall to
distract from what's going on nefariously in the political world. So my whole thought
was, you know, we need to turn the tables on that and call
this the big distraction and to go back to Bigfoot, and let's use Bigfoot
as our personal big distraction to get away from the insanity that's going on around
us, and give you a peace of mind and spend some time listening to
conversations about Bigfoot, Listen to conversations that regard evidence that has come forth,
and we can combat against all this insanity that's going on around us. So
I did come up with the term the big distraction at the Bigfoot bullhorn on
the news segment. And let's see where it goes, because you know,
there's options out there for us us to be able to take a look.
If you're new into the whole sess squatchery world, let's take a look at
it and see, well, what's this all about. Oh hey, there's
a conference that's going on in a local region of mine. Let's get out,
let's get our hiking sticks, let's take a walk in the woods.
Let's see what's out there. Not that you're going out there to take a
look for Bigfoot, but to get away from the insanity that's going on currently
in the politics of our world right now. And that's one wonderful way to
fight back against this. And it's good for mental health reasons. And you
can sit with like minded people at conferences, you can see things for yourself.
You may even discover some evidence out there that you may not know what
to do with, but you can collect that evidence and bring it to the
Sasquad experience or to any venue that's in the Bigfoot community, because we're not
just going to limit it to us, We're not selfish that way. But
let's bring that information forward and distract ourselves from what's going on. And that
totally reverses the psychology of what's going on right now, because again, oh
hey, there's been ten foot aliens like I brought up earlier walking around at
the Miami Mall, and there was you know, it was a sound.
Yeah. I think it was a total distraction from craziness that's going on politically.
Let's step away from that. Let's get back to some grassroots ideas of
look, there's things that exist, let's take a look at those, and
it'll certainly help us feel a hull of a lot better in the long run
for mental health reasons, especially if you get out even though excuse me,
yeah I did. Oh that's I muted him to sell you all well,
so so so I'll kind of take from there. Me and Sean can kind
of give you an idea, and Matt can. Ever, since I've gotten
that little piece of land, my whole idea of what goes on in our
world is a lot bigger because like a lot of times we talk theories about,
hey, how could this creature exist? And how could this exist?
And how could nobody ever notice? And like I'm digging a hole to put
in a pond and there's a dace standing behind me. You know what,
he's there ten minutes before I noticed him. He chose to let me notice
it. You know, you hear you, You can hear where noises come
from. There's not that extra distractionary things and things like that that that you
know, hour out there just kind of breathing good air and thinking opens up
a lot. Maybe we need to do more of that, Maybe not in
this fricking cold, but you know, well, I agree with you both
on the points you're making. You know, we do need to be out
more, We do need to explore all this, and and I think at
times we do take it for granted that there is this you know, wonderful,
wondrous natural world around us that we just drive through every day. And
I can tell you that sometimes I'm even taking a back as I go on
my backroach travels. You know, I'm drifting off when I'm supposed to be
paying attention as I'm looking at the woods going, I wonder what the hell's
in there? And sometimes I just want to stop and get out and just
you know, frolic through the woodlands and so. But you know, that's
that's an everyday temptation that we have. And it is a good distraction,
now, you know, Matt and I I think, And Matt, I'll
let you go here in a minute to give you an opportunity to jump in.
But you and I kind of took this from an opposite perspective, right,
yes, But as much as it is a positive distraction, there are
some folks that use it for you know, maybe an unintentional distraction as well.
And Matt, I'll go ahead and let you talk before we jump down
that rabbit hole. Sure, I mean, you know, just briefly,
and I really we really don't want to make this, you know, too
much of an argument on one side versus the other. But man, I'll
tell you there's some there's some stories that go out there that I've heard,
you know that that I'm sure all of you have heard that, you know,
I just sit there and I'm like, okay, this, this didn't
happen, you know, But we do have we do have some people out
there that, you know, for for different reasons. You know, they
they may see that that you know, they've had an experience in the woods
and you know it was something that was just too incredible. But again,
you know, for for being more rounded researchers, where we just kind of
you know, sit there and the possibility of that happening is you know nil,
you know, And I've heard some really really good stories. In particular,
probably one of the best ones was there was a group of the coldest
that were in the in the section of the pine bearers and they were doing
their thing and apparently a sasquatch came out and started dancing with them. So
something like that, I'm just like, well, you know it. But
again, there's there's different reasons why why people will will have this, whether
it's something that's organic or if it's something that isn't quite so organic where they
where. It may be somebody looking for attention, or it may be somebody
that you know, maybe makes that misidentification but but really wants it to be
what it is. Sorry for jumping down the rabbit hole. No, but
you know what, you bring up a really good point, they're matt that
ties into the big distraction. You have this experience that takes away everything else
off the sides, off the right and the left side of you, and
now you're focused this particular event that happened to you. That is the big
distraction. Absolutely, absolutely, And and I'll tell you when you you there's
things that happen to you psychologically when you do have some sort of experience or
some sort of sighting. I've had it myself. I'm trained, you know,
to to not have tunnel vision, and when I had my experience in
the LA National Force, I caught myself having tunnel vision at the time.
And so there's things that again, somebody that that may have some sort of
experience, whether it it's something that's encrypted or or otherwise. Again, your
mind is working at a different level than it than it would when you're just
walking down the path, you know, looking for birds or or animals.
You know, when you have something like that happen again, you're going to
get that. You know, you're you're going to center in on what that
is and you're gonna you can have anything going on around you, and you're
you're not going to allow that to distract you at all, you know what,
which kind of with your you know, with your discussion. What I
think is really interesting, Matt is as you know, you talk about some
of those folks who you know, jump down that rabbit hole and really become
you know, caught up in their own I don't want to say illusion,
but their own whatever they've manifestation, right, you know, we there are
things, and I firmly believe that there are zoo forms and thought forms that
some of these things people experience the experience because they just merely, you know,
simply want to and somehow that manifests itself in some sort of psychological simulation.
And I'm not saying that happens for everybody. And that's the case for
every bigfoot encounter. I had an encounter, you had an encounter. I
can damn well guarantee you what I experienced wasn't no zoo form or thought for
them. But there are some folks who I I truly feel, want it
so bad that they do manifest it, you know, for themselves, either
by choice or you know, perhaps it's some sort of mania that they have
to deal with. Let's go back. You know gentlemen who I think wanted
to experience Bigfoot more than anybody. They're four horsemen, right, we go
back, how many of them had a sighting? Mm hmm yeah, and
who wanted it more than them at that point in time? Right? And
you know, we could say for some of those guys, this was a
borderline obsession. You know, look how much time Green spent with it,
Renade to Hinden I think Renade to Hindon probably out of all of them.
And my my estimation was the most obsessed and dedicated in terms of his research.
I mean, the man I did a camper on a you know,
you know, collecting shells to you know, meddle to survive, sacrificing his
marriage, you know, in his relationship. Yeah, it was just completely
destroyed by his obsession. So you talk about this big distraction Vans this big
distraction, man, that's a very I want to say, a wide statement
that categorically could fit many different people in many different ways. And if we
go back through Bigfoot history, like I said, we see how this big
distraction really cost people a lot. Sure, it's cost people some jobs.
I'm sure it's cost people, some families, I mean, not even just
the four Horsemen. I'm sure I could go with my own personal life and
tell you that, you know, when I came out as a public bigfoot
person, the ridicule and the joking around you take, Matt, you and
law enforcement. I'm sure you try to keep it as low key as possible,
right I do. Yeah, you don't want to deal with the you
know, constant barad ridicule, right, the ridicule that you deal with.
So I mean, this distraction for some hobby for others could really be be
costly. And I'll go ahead and let one of you guys talk because I'm
filibust and right now, go ahead, Henry, come on, let's hear
from Henry. Well, you know, the day when we talk about the
big distraction, I think that we should realize that family always comes first before
big footing. I mean Renee. Renee obviously didn't hold to that, but
hey, he became one of the greatest sasquatch researchers of all time. You
though, you're actually had a sign. Sure now, Henry, you know
that's a good point that you're making. Guys. You know what we'll talk
about that because it's on the topic. Do you think having a sighting hurts
or helps your research. I've got a strong opinion on this, but I
want to hear from you guys first. Well, I have never had a
sighting, and I'll be honest with you. The only reason that I really
got interest it was is because Sean you were and it was something that interests
me. Now, Bigfoot wasn't a crypto of my choice. I'm a nessy
guy and Mothman just because of the timing on those and that there to me,
there's a lot of critical evidence. It's plausible on one way of it
being a creature, in another way being something completely different. But as far
as the Bigfoot community is, the community made me care more about it because
there's a lot of really smart people that believe in something and they have a
lot of positive, good ideas about it. Like you know, you know,
Maldrium isn't an idiot. One of my favorites is Lauren Coleman. Coleman
isn't an idiot. If Coleman when when when they said about NeSSI maybe being
eels and Coleman did the research, I believed it because he took the time
to do it, and he wasn't one of those people that would just spit
out a thing because everybody else is doing it. Shown's the same way.
I mean, like we had that Bigfoot cooler citing, you know, and
we kind of like I one and ten percent thought it was crap, but
I was like, I was waiting to hear from him because it was like
and then we both kind of said, yeah, this is just bs.
But like the videos and the things I see, like a lot of those
make me depressed because I think that we're smarter than this and we're better than
this. But at the same time, I like that people are out there
looking and taking the time to enjoy the wilderness. And by Bigfoot in the
Cooler, you're talking about the Georgia Bigfoot hoaks. Yea, And yeah,
I think you know, people really need to catch up on their history about
some of these things. And we'll go ahead, we'll continue on down that.
Just wanted to give a reference point to the Bigfoot in the Cooler.
Comment answer your thought on that, does having a sighting help or hinder your
research? Well, I was never into the Bigfoot thing whatsoever. I saw
the Patterson Gimlin film when I was a kid, and I was freaked out
by it. But I was what seven years old when I first saw it,
and okay, this is a creature that exists in the Pacific Northwest.
Okay, I'm safe, I'm in Illinois. But you know, when I
had my experience a camping trip with my oldest brother New Year's nineteen ninety nine
going into two thousand and of course Y two K was supposed to wipe the
entire planet out. We had a bizarre experience. I never put two and
two together that it was maybe a bigfoot. I had no idea. All
I knew is it seemed like a dinosaur was tramping through the woods, chasing
a dog and a herd of deer out of the woodline. And then we
had pine cones thrown at us. I knew not about any of this stuff.
I just found it completely out of this world and completely bizarre. It
wasn't until what maybe ten years after that event happened that I'm hearing just by
happenstance experiences of people having rocks thrown at them, having grunts being chased out
of the woods, but yet not being able to see what's in the woodline,
that's chasing them out of the woods. And I start putting two and
two together. I'm like, well, maybe this is what happened. And
then all of a sudden, the sinkhole opened up and I fell into it,
And now I want to know that's what I got, Matt, go
ahead. You know, I came into it with this pre disposition of what
a a sighting or encounter was, you know, because we're fed it through
you know, back in our day we didn't have the social media, so
we had TV like Unknown Mysteries and you know, all those shows. So
yeah, it was always the very overly dramatic encounter or sighting. And really,
I mean the things that that we've had happened in the woods, you
know, may not have led to you know, personally, have not led
to that over over dramatization. You know, there was no you know,
ten foot hearing man standing ten yards in front of me, you know,
shaking shaking a stick or a tree. It was, you know, we
had the incident with the tree that was shaking. We had vocalizations at certain
times, but whether it really hinders helps her hinders someone, I don't know,
you know, it Like I always think back to one of the people
I think of as a mentor is like doctor Russ Jones, and the one
he doesn't even really call an encounter. He said he was out walking,
walking his dog off trail and he sees, you know, a guy hiking
down, you know, towards the hollow, you know, wearing all black
in the middle of the summertime. You know, well to him when he
initially made that initial look at it, you know, he didn't think because
probably in our minds, we're thinking that it's going to be this you know,
big Harry Beast and you know, crossing the road in the middle of
the night, and it could be something as subtle as just you know,
something you know crossing through the woods that you may think is another hiker.
So again, having having that idea in your that it's going to be this
you know, super you know, made for TV type experience, you know,
it really doesn't come out that way. And you know, in the
long run, we see that with the small town Monsters guys too. Between
Eli and Alex, you know, they you know, they talk about,
you know, the different experiences that they've had, but they really haven't had
that you know, that again made for TV. The thing. But what
they've gotten though is great evidence, right, you know, from them from
them doing doing those shows and exposing the public to not just the bigfoot world,
but also to the nature world as well. We're really important, right,
And you know we talked to Eli last week. He's never had a
sighting yet. He says he can't wait to get the sound of him taking
a crap from it. The audio from that'll be gold, right, But
no, I mean point point where made Henry your thought on that topic,
and then well I'll give mine and then we'll take our break. Well,
the thing is, I think that if you have a siding, it might
lessen your objectivity a little. You might not be as objective about signings.
But then again he might be more skeptical about somebody else's signing too, So
you never know, I'm skept all the time, right. I have to
tell you from my own personal experience, it made everything a lot more difficult
for me having my objectivity, Like I questioned myself, was I going to
be able to be impartial and unbiased moving forward? And then you know,
as I've talked with Matt over the years, it's also kind of have you
know, bolstered my skepticism though, because I feel that once you've experienced this
for yourself, there's this unconscious ability to kind of peer into the eyes of
someone else and be able to gauge that bullshit barometer and be able to see
who really experienced something and who's making it up. I don't know what it
is. There's a connection. I could be insane, that's a possibility,
but it's just different. But I struggled with that for a very long time.
I almost left the field in general after my sighting because it was very
impactful to me, and that impact was, you know, how do I
reconcile being able to have this experience and now being able to be objective anymore?
So, you know Henry's point, he hit it right on the nose.
With my thoughts, it does make it a lot harder, and I
think you have to be very careful because you want to really believe people after
that, and it's not always a you know, comfortable position to be in.
So really good job on that. I think you hit it right on
the nose. You kind of took the words out of my mouth in a
more simple way, and guys, on that bro No, on that note,
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article reads as follows, rest in peace Bigfoot. This magazine declares, the
legendary Northwest forest critter is dead. Call off the hunt. Bigfoot is dead
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your toe in the mind. We're back and alive. So that's a good
thing. A little bit of a longer break there, But what do you
do? Was necessary? Right, folks, you've turned back it, You've
tune back into the sasquatch experience, Sean Forker, James Baker Vance has but
Henry May and Matt Arner, guys, before we took a break, we
were talking about this big distraction and we were talking about, you know,
does having a citing really change your objectivity or helper hinder your investigative techniques?
Vance, let's go more into this, shall we. Sure? I would
say that whether you do have an experience, whether you can confirm it as
a bigfoot or not, it still would draw you in to want answers.
And I think answers is a big thing. Look, you know, ninety
nine point nine percent of the entire subsquatch ery community wants answers. And so
you have an experience, whether you've seen something or just heard something or had
an experience, you're gonna want to be able to dive in a little bit
more as to what just happened. And I'm leaving the word hell out of
it. You know, you know what just happened, and you're going to
want to have some sort of tangible evidence to say, well, maybe this
is a real thing, and then you present that to the community, and
then the community takes that as a distraction. You know, look at how
many videos we see. Is this a real video or is there something manipulated
with it that made it a distraction of some sort and it's a hoax?
Or is this reality? And it drives you down that entire pathway for a
very long time to try to come to some conclusive answers. Well, I
think that no matter how good this AI is getting, it still looks fake.
I mean, look at Hollywood, Nozilla and King Kong still look fake
as hell, right, And I think AI is not going to be getting
in that position where it's going to fool anybody with two bits between their brains,
right between their ears and their brain. Where I think we have to
be careful. Is you know we made that we should were sharing videos last
night right as we talk quite a bit if you can't tell, you know,
we do socialize outside this one hour a week and we're sharing videos and
advance. The one thing that kind of perturbed you is why the hell do
all these videos have music in them? And thank you for bringing that up.
Right. It's quite simply because they're reposted videos, right, you know.
So what we're getting is we're getting all these videos that are constantly be
reposting and reposting and reposting, and we don't know the original context upon which
they were filmed. So we don't know the true story behind the picture.
We have to go and we have to search and search and search and urg
right to find the origin for many of these. Baker, you remember that
you got the message from your brother and said, oh my god, look
this was I was gonna I was gonna state that. And he's like,
that was on read, that was up the road from us. I was
like, no, was it? So I saw that two years ago,
you know, and I saw that, you know, and then I saw
it six months after that, and one that's in a it's kind of like
whenever you talk about urgent urban legends and somebody goes, this happened to me
in Chicago. No, no, no, Bloody Mary happened in Louisiana.
No, it happened in California. No, you know what, it didn't
happen. Somebody made it up and then it just kept going, right,
You know, there's there's there's so many there's so many different stories that are
told eventually, and I admit that I'm just as stupid about that because honestly,
like I said, as if Sean or Lauren Coleman told me aliens came
and saw him, I tell people because I believe it, because I believe
in them, but I also know that they're smart. Okay. But the
problem is is once it got past me and gets on the mat, and
it gets onto Matt's friend and Matt's friend after that maybe back over to vance
Vancey's friend, you stop losing the core person you believed in, and then
it's just shit, right, you know, And then then you're starting to
tear it apart. The sightings we see today, I have so much burned
in skeptic about compared to we had to show what was it two three weeks
ago? It might have been two. But like we had people seeing this
thing in the fifties, sixties, the forties, those people didn't talk about
it. Those people didn't have an Internet group to know what it looked like.
So when three people from across different states said I saw a hairy thing
that was eight feet tall, that blah blah blah, had had this and
it looked like this, and it walked like that, I'm more apt to
say, yes, there's a good chance they saw something of the same thing.
Now, Perker knows a lot of my escape date theories and things like
that, and it might have been a bear and things like that. But
in general, though, I'm more apt to believe them. If somebody tomorrow
shows me a video of bigfoot walking across what was it that train video where
he's walking across the cliff area, and then two weeks later some store goes,
no, we did that. We did that to promote our beefsticks or
blah blah blah. Yeah, because you're an agle. Okay, make it
that's true. You know, so, like I believe in the older research
more than I'm believing the research now, because it's too easy. Like Sean,
we've all said a million times we're spoon feeding. You had to kind
of make up a scle Yeah, right it. We could do it tomorrow.
May have worker could go down to the woods tomorrow. Circles some take
some pictures, circles, circles. I could get you convinced that it was
in my front yard eating right, you know. And with that said,
you know, it is back to the original comment that I threw to Sean.
It's it's very interesting videos that's being shared, but I think it's meant
to specifically go viral. So let's put some music in there. Let's put
some creepy music in there. Well I'm sorry, but the creepy music is
doubbing out the silence of maybe something subtle that you can hear in the background
because there's music playing. Stop it. If you recorded a video, let
that video just play without any any enhancement whatsoever added to it, and we
can figure it out a little bit better. And piggyback on that video,
the original video from when you were eating potato salad with Grandma to when you
saw it to when you're shutting yourself in the woods. I want to see
it all, but I want to see the before. Why you're taking a
video, nless you're some petal bear. I almost say shit, okay,
but then, but then I want to see what's afterwards when you guys are
all screaming at each other and there's no way and saw that that whole video
clip added to the video, because otherwise you cut out the exciting part to
screw me over well, you know, and in the devil's in the details,
right, So if you're looking at a video such as the one,
you know you're kind of talking about Jaker Baker in your case, you know
you want that after footage. I think there's nobody that's that good of an
actor that can fake that genuine reaction. Even we've we've seen all these you
know, crappy b rated Bigfoot movies or even the good big Foot on movies.
It's still acting and you can tell there's another train coming. It's there.
We go. I mute to Jim c. You can't hear what he's
saying, folks. Probably better for the public, But as there's just nobo
that it's that good at acting that can fabricate. I truly feel that anybody
with good common sense can really narrow down when someone's acting or not, and
you gotta have the whole story. And to Bag's point and your point,
vance when we got these videos that we were watching, there's so much of
it left out right now. The one thing I did find compelling in that
one particular video is the body language of the subject kind of fits into the
motif of bigfoot behavior that we've come to know, you know, dodging the
light luminescence from the eyes. Still pretty compelling, and I'll find a link
to it and I'll put it in the show notes so folks can take a
listen or take a look at what they're listening to. Matt, do you
have any thoughts on that AI and video? Yeah, I mean, the
one thing is is AI is getting better, but we're also at a point
where there's sinks to look for. And I'm not gonna disclose on the podcast
what to look for, but there's things that we can find on whether it's
AI video or photography that's pretty easy to pick up if you google it.
I'm sure you'll find some open source information. I'll tell you all about it.
But but yeah, you know, there's again with the reactions. And
that's another thing too, is with my with my training experience, I've gone
through the body language classes. I've learned about micro expressions when I see people
talking to me. And the big thing was when we were when we did
the summer conference with Gwen out in Central Pa, the Central Pa Bigfoot Festival,
there was people that were coming up to us and and you can kind
of read them right off the bat. Is this something that you know,
they're just trying to see how you're going to react to to to it with
them telling you a story. But then there was also other people that came
up to us. There's a there was a farmer that I spoke with that
that wasn't that far from you, and I was reading his body language.
I was reading, you know, just about everything from his face. And
the guy showed no absolutely no signs that that he was being deceitful at all.
He did show that he was, you know, maybe a little I
wouldn't stay scared. But he he went to keep the the encounter private.
So that was one one big thing because he doesn't want his name out there.
He doesn't want to you know, be pictured on the news or anything
like that. He just came up to us to tell us what his encounter
was. And it was a pretty good encounter as well, right and he
and he hasn't been in contact with us to investigate either. He hasn't really.
He just really wanted to share that, you know what, Yeah,
make off his chest. Yeah, absolutely, And we provide that out with
and that's okay. I'm fine with that. But the investigator in me wants
to suit up and wants to get out there, and you know, see,
and we goes back to another conversation we've had in the past. Guys,
some people, just if they knew it existed, wouldn't want to release
it to anybody. And I think he's one of these guys that would.
Really he's okay knowing what's going on. He just needed to tell somebody that
would believe him. But you know, as for going out there and badgering
it, I don't think he wants that experience. And also keep in mind
that, you know, something I've thought with over the time. If we
go out do we make these situation worse for the people that are experiencing them?
Yep? Do the does the harassment step up? Does the interaction get
more physical? I don't know, and I haven't heard that to be the
case, but that takes me back in my mind to you know, Henry
the si Jahannabi Oklahoma, right where those folks brought in those researchers and the
attacks on the home got more intense and there were shootings going on, and
you know, it was a real situation. I think that episode itself would
be a good episode for us to go down that incident. Oh absolutely,
you know, that whole thing, you know, got worse when more investigators
hit the ground. And you know, I think a book that I'm going
to go off on a tangent here, I'm sorry that I think people need
to read when it comes to interactions in Bigfoot is one that gets overlooked many
times, and that's The Locals by Tom Powell. It's a phenomenal book,
isn't it, not, Henry, It's it's a great Yes. I think
it kind of gets overshadowed by a second book. But the first book is
The Locals. Is It's up there in my top ten of books that you
have to read if you're you know, serious about the inquiry. And there
are stories in there that you don't get all the time. And we've talked
about, you know, habituation and how as a researcher you kind of got
to be on guard and not get roped into what is obviously bullshit and what
really could be an ongoing series of encounters. I think we have to change
the term habituation. I think habituation stirs up the you know, images of
the lady who we shall not name in Tennessee to you know, that may
be something a little bit more fantastic. Look, folks, they're everywhere and
sometimes you you know, Matt and I talked today and without going into details
of this specific situation, you got to look at people's psyche and some people
that endure some terrible things find a way to cope. And sometimes that coping
mechanism is finding themselves in this imaginary world they live in with fake protectors because
they've never dealt with the trauma of their childhood or something traumatic that happened to
them. And it is getting a little psychological because it's very true there are
people out there that are really suffering from some deep traumatic things that haven't felt
with, haven't found healthy outlets to cope with that make themselves a parent.
In this community, they get a hell of a following behind them, and
it's very dangerous because it's just not as it's meant to be. But but
again that leads us back to the title of the show. That's a big
distraction. It is it keeps them away from dealing with whatever hurt them and
continuously protects them from the pain of what, you know, whatever it is.
But it's not healthy. And I think when we look at this whole
phenomena from a mental health perspective, you know, we have to be very
careful because just as if there's a flesh and blood and a paranormal, we
got to start grouping witnesses kind of in the same thing, is that they're
the mainstream, legitimate or schizophrenic, because there's a there is an unhealthy element
that it actually could put researchers in danger. And I think that's a lot
thing that we don't think about, is the danger we put ourselves in sometimes
to investigate some of this stuff. Baker, we go back to that investigation
that you and I did. Everybody was oohing and on over these photographs.
You asked the guy for the photos. It's it's a blow up of polaroids
from his grandma's bay window. This guy has aliens, he's got bigfoot,
he's got the circle in the circles galore in this goddamn circles. Baker rides
up the road. Didn't realize we didn't you jump out of a moving car.
He jumps out of a moving vehicle to get out of there because he's
worried that he just took a ride up the road with Missus Vorgees. I
saw how that movie started. I was not gonna be that cook lady.
Okay, the same, But you know you make and the worst part is
is you make one Vallid point is that is you're taking somebody. Well,
the one that I can really latch onto is you're taking somebody that's up here
and like I know what I'm seeing and or whatever, and you're corroding that
dream. And when you do that, and as you pick any topic and
I'm not going to go into specifics because it'll upset people, but if you
believe in something this hardcore and someone starts to chip away from it, your
natural defense is to get angry because they're right, because they're because you feel
they're attacking you. It's not that they're attacking you, it's that that they
don't believe you and either need more information or science says you're just not right.
And the thing is is that people don't handle that well in any situation,
even when like Sean, you're you're a manager, and you know that
you know Matt, your your cop, and if somebody walks over to you
and says all your evidence that you collected was nothing, and you go,
no, no, no, I did seventeen hours worth of work. I
had to deal with the smelly pump guy. You know, you may because
this guy is tearing this down, that you get all this work for.
So you when you go out to investigate and make sure you can solidly conversate,
you know, like customer service voice is key. You might be the
wheels in the back of your head might be singing crazy, But what you
need to do is just say, well, yeah, I can see your
point of view and a few other things. Let me take what you got
that you're willing to give us, and we'll call you when things we see
it, we can see you, and then you go get a coffee and
you drive away. Okay. But then there's also a countrary to that,
people baker that have had ongoing encounters for thirty forty to fifty plus years that
have been made out to be crazy, who may not be crazy at all.
They may have had legitimate activity over the fifty years is a long time,
and that's and that's valid. That's valid ongoing experiences over that time.
That's not unheard of, that that's not uncommon. But the thing with that
is most of the people that are that are commonly having a use of experience.
I have no problem with you lived in the same town, in the
same house and you saw Bigfoot twenty seven times, because you're still don't live
in the land. Then it lives in same like the deer and all the
other animals that live in that surrounding area. But if you say, oh,
then I drove to Oklahoma and there was one at the gas station that
I drove to Tennessee and there was another one on there's other Sonoko. Is
it traveling to Sonoko's around the country that you happen to be at. No.
Yeah, that's where the problem with habituation. It's where these people say,
I see it every day and you've got no video, You've got no
photos, you've got no hair, you've got no tracks. Bullshit, you
got nothing because you're not seeing what you think you're seeing. You're talking to
your imaginary pet rabbit. Jeans. Jeans, you brought up so many excellent
points in there. You brought back a lot of flash fact memories. My
partner out here in the northeast part is less less than cabbage. Great,
great researcher, wonderful wonderful guy. And there's been two occasions that we've been
out in the one, uh, we can't go into details, but thankfully
I had a second person go with me because I did not feel safe in
that house. And then there was another time where again we can't go into
too many details, but the guy was so convinced that what was going through
his property was a bigfoot that he spent thousands of dollars on thermal equipment,
on cameras, on on voice recorders, everything, and and he he knew
in the back of his mind that was a Sasquatch. And Les and I
are sitting there looking at the at the trackway, I'm like, no,
this is this is something that bounded like you know, it could have been
a deer, It could have been really anything that was able to bound towards
it towards the end of the property. But this guy was so was so
convinced that, you know, he didn't want to listen to us. He
went to to you know, four other researchers trying to get that trying to
get that validation. And it was the validation we just LESSA and I just
did not We didn't feel comfortable because it wasn't there. Wow. And you
know, you make a valid point because I used to sell electronics to people,
okay, and we would have people that would come in that would tell
us that someone's someone's messing with their property and they would buy one thousands of
dollars equipment. We'd set it up everything else and like nothing. But when
they came in, they go, your cameras aren't right because he was there,
No that he wasn't there. After you're seeing and you try to be
polite, and it's six months later, so you're not returning the stuff.
Sorry, you know, And you know, and their family comes in and
goes, don't sell them anything else. I have explained to them that we
shouldn't be helping them, but they still keep giving us a credit card.
Weren't evil. We just can't tell them no, you know, and and
and you as a police officer, and even you know, you know Vance
and and Sean. You know, there are people that if they're dead set,
that's what it is. There's no way parting them from that road without
hurting them mentally. We don't want more because the lady was the one that
I dealt with, was a nice person. And if you weren't talking about
the fact that someone was stalking her in her yard. She seemed completely okay.
But then you have the opposite problem of you don't believe somebody, and
you don't believe somebody, and yeah, the neighbor next door poisoner for five
years, like someone killed her, and now we didn't let write And I
mean, you run into that situation. And for the sake of time,
we've got to start wrapping it up here because we're going over. But you
know, the big distraction of Vansos is a great up. So it took
us down some several rabbit holes that were really worth talking about. I think
everybody made some great points tonight. At the end of the day, I
think the summing up, we're not trying to hurt anybody. We're trying to
add a little bit more critical thought to your life. Right, think about
things, weigh them out, weigh the pros, weigh the cause, weigh
the consequences, and partner up whenever you can for safety, folks. I'm
Sean the Fort Chop Forker. He's James Baker, that's vans and Asbit,
He's Matt Arner, and there's Henry May. Henry give them those closing words.
It'll be good. We will see you next week with another great episode.
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