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the opinion of the host, sponsors, or affiliates of the Sasquatch Experience.

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As always, listener discretion is advised. We got someone or something flowing around

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out here? Does a legend walk
among us working in the forests of our

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world? Did you see what it
was? Well? Did a person or

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an animal? Or I can't go. All I know is that my thunder

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light came on and I did that
a to glen and see the thing running

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across the yard, A good fight
man or something. It looks like a

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man. I don't know what it
was. For over fifteen years, we've

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talked with scientists, researchers, investigators, and witnesses trying to gain insight and

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truth around the distance of this mysterious
entity. Jesus quite big, Karl,

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Hello, get somebody out here.
What's going to announce there? That's got

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a mention about sextbook? I don't
know, easy announce there? Yeah,

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I'm working right away. Oh,
okay, hand on is your yarn?

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Yeah? Got you're bigger? Okay, what's he doing in your yard?

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We're gonna move. You join us
as we continue into the investigation of the

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Sasquatch Experience. Well, guys,
everyone, welcome to the Sasquatch Experience for

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Monday, January fifteenth, twenty twenty
four, Martin Luther King Day, as

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we celebrate this sort of solemn day
and remembrance and appreciation. But guys,

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it is great to be here to
talk about our favorite subject, of course,

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Sasquatch as we know it. We
got a very interesting show tonight here.

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Van's kind of came up with this
one called The Big Distraction, And

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after the little bit of housekeeping,
we'll throw it over to Vance and we'll

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get started. Folks. I'm Sean
the Fort Choppforker. Over to my left

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is James Baker, Vance, Nesbitt, Matt Arner, and Henry May.

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Of course we're all labeled, because
well we should be labeled. So yeah,

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folks who may be joining us for
the first time, know who the

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hell we are if you're not just
familiar with our voice. But we've been

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on a role here. We had
who did we have on last night?

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Eli Watson last week talking about Bigfoot
the Road to Discovery. That was a

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great episode, well received, folks
still talking about that one. And of

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course if you listening in, we
all sound pretty pretty damn good tonight.

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Some upgrades and improvements made the show
to make us sound better, lots of

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things to be happy about, some
real good shit that has been in the

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works. Guys, welcome tonight.
What's on your mind? We'll start with

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Baker go around the horn, and
then we'll get going. Well by you.

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But this cold is just getting a
little bit too much for me.

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But it is January, so I
expected it. Yeah, all right,

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I ran out of allergy pills,
so I'm just kind of dealing with other

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medication. Yeah. Well, well, drinking problems away, bag. Yeah,

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it is cold, that's for sure. Vance. How are you doing.

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Hey, I was up at three
point thirty this morning to prepare myself

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for my full time job, and
it was minus fifteen degrees. I'm like,

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well, thank you, and my
car started right up and I'm like,

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wow, that's even a bigger thank
you. So yeah, it's been

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a miserably brutal cold, but we'll
get through this. We've got a week

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of this and then it should break
and we'll get out of the climate change,

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you know, global warming. We'll
get out of that whole sphere.

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Well, we got you back to
normality again. We got you to work

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this weekend doing some behind the scenes
stuff for the show, so it was

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quite busy. Henry, How are
you surviving down there in the Mississippi state.

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Oh, we're getting along. We're
getting along, although traffic is a

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little slow on the roads now,
as much traffic as we usually get because

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of the ice being on the roads. But did you get the ice?

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Did you get the ice out?
Was it still a block from nineteen ninety

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four? No? Poor Henry,
Poor Henry, and Matt my friend,

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how are you? Yes, sir, I'm doing pretty good today. Again,

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we do have the cold here.
We have more snow coming tonight,

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so we're it's gonna hit us.
I think a little heavier on this side.

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So yeah, I'm looking forward to
I love the snow. I'm I'm

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one of those rare people. I
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the you know, the snow.
The only thing I could get get

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away from is the ice. But
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winter Wonderland. My wife doesn't really
particularly care for that. She's more of,

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hey, let's go down south.
Me on the other hand, I'd

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rather be you know, up out
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something. You know. So,
uh so this is my time of year.

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Well it's good for footprints. So
we'll see you have any wintertime reports

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coming in from the Keystone State or
even out where everybody else is at.

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We know, we got Henry there
in Mississippi. You know, we've got

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We've just got people all out and
about Guys, Vance and Illinois. So

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when we bring this show to you
every week, just keep in mind we're

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bringing everybody continentally into this for you
know, a different kind of conversation.

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But Guys is a great show with
Eli last week. I can't thank you

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enough. Folks, go back and
take a look at that. Our website's

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been updated, so folks can go
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If you go and click on the
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can go listen to that episode.
That was a lot of work, but

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I got that up for everybody as
well. Enough about this crap, let's

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talk about the meats of potatoes.
Well, everyone, while everyone's here tonight,

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not that I can talk. You
came to a podcast expecting an articulate

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host and you got me, So
I apologize for that. But I guess

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one more thing. You can support
the Sasquatch Experience, gentlemen for how much?

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Oh, I think at two dollars
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I say that all the time, but

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we're always working on something, so
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bucks, you know, that's not
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put the bitchin and start dishing out
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but it's for show production. It
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you know, to the local you
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this goes back into show production.
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We get two dollars or we start
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And of course report and encounter experience.

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Oh there we go. That's that's
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your sighting or encounter info at Sasquatch
Experience dot com. Vance Episode ninety one

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tonight, the big distraction. Let's
talk about what's on your mind. You

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put this show together, you threw
me the concept. I thought it was

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great and said, what the hell, let's run. Well. Look,

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you know, some weeks back,
I did the news segment and I would

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throw in the new segment the big
Distraction for the Bigfoot Bullhorn. And the

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reason why I did that is because
currently geo politically, things are so upside

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down. I mean, there's so
much going on around the world in our

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own country, and I know a
lot of people are very concerned and upset

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and have stress issues over this,
and you know, I wanted to call

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that the big distraction on the big
Foot bullhorn. So I figured, you

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know, geopolitically, they throw something
shiny over here and say, oh,

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take a look at this. Here's
a UFO report, take a look at

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this. There's been ten foot aliens
seen in Miami at a shopping mall to

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distract from what's going on nefariously in
the political world. So my whole thought

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was, you know, we need
to turn the tables on that and call

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this the big distraction and to go
back to Bigfoot, and let's use Bigfoot

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as our personal big distraction to get
away from the insanity that's going on around

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us, and give you a peace
of mind and spend some time listening to

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conversations about Bigfoot, Listen to conversations
that regard evidence that has come forth,

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and we can combat against all this
insanity that's going on around us. So

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I did come up with the term
the big distraction at the Bigfoot bullhorn on

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the news segment. And let's see
where it goes, because you know,

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there's options out there for us us
to be able to take a look.

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If you're new into the whole sess
squatchery world, let's take a look at

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it and see, well, what's
this all about. Oh hey, there's

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a conference that's going on in a
local region of mine. Let's get out,

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let's get our hiking sticks, let's
take a walk in the woods.

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Let's see what's out there. Not
that you're going out there to take a

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look for Bigfoot, but to get
away from the insanity that's going on currently

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in the politics of our world right
now. And that's one wonderful way to

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fight back against this. And it's
good for mental health reasons. And you

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can sit with like minded people at
conferences, you can see things for yourself.

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You may even discover some evidence out
there that you may not know what

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to do with, but you can
collect that evidence and bring it to the

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Sasquad experience or to any venue that's
in the Bigfoot community, because we're not

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just going to limit it to us, We're not selfish that way. But

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let's bring that information forward and distract
ourselves from what's going on. And that

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totally reverses the psychology of what's going
on right now, because again, oh

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hey, there's been ten foot aliens
like I brought up earlier walking around at

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the Miami Mall, and there was
you know, it was a sound.

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Yeah. I think it was a
total distraction from craziness that's going on politically.

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Let's step away from that. Let's
get back to some grassroots ideas of

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look, there's things that exist,
let's take a look at those, and

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it'll certainly help us feel a hull
of a lot better in the long run

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for mental health reasons, especially if
you get out even though excuse me,

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yeah I did. Oh that's I
muted him to sell you all well,

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so so so I'll kind of take
from there. Me and Sean can kind

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of give you an idea, and
Matt can. Ever, since I've gotten

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that little piece of land, my
whole idea of what goes on in our

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world is a lot bigger because like
a lot of times we talk theories about,

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hey, how could this creature exist? And how could this exist?

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And how could nobody ever notice?
And like I'm digging a hole to put

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in a pond and there's a dace
standing behind me. You know what,

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he's there ten minutes before I noticed
him. He chose to let me notice

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it. You know, you hear
you, You can hear where noises come

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from. There's not that extra distractionary
things and things like that that that you

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know, hour out there just kind
of breathing good air and thinking opens up

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a lot. Maybe we need to
do more of that, Maybe not in

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this fricking cold, but you know, well, I agree with you both

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on the points you're making. You
know, we do need to be out

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more, We do need to explore
all this, and and I think at

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times we do take it for granted
that there is this you know, wonderful,

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wondrous natural world around us that we
just drive through every day. And

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I can tell you that sometimes I'm
even taking a back as I go on

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my backroach travels. You know,
I'm drifting off when I'm supposed to be

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paying attention as I'm looking at the
woods going, I wonder what the hell's

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in there? And sometimes I just
want to stop and get out and just

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you know, frolic through the woodlands
and so. But you know, that's

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that's an everyday temptation that we have. And it is a good distraction,

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now, you know, Matt and
I I think, And Matt, I'll

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let you go here in a minute
to give you an opportunity to jump in.

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But you and I kind of took
this from an opposite perspective, right,

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yes, But as much as it
is a positive distraction, there are

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some folks that use it for you
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And Matt, I'll go ahead and
let you talk before we jump down

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that rabbit hole. Sure, I
mean, you know, just briefly,

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and I really we really don't want
to make this, you know, too

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much of an argument on one side
versus the other. But man, I'll

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tell you there's some there's some stories
that go out there that I've heard,

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you know that that I'm sure all
of you have heard that, you know,

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I just sit there and I'm like, okay, this, this didn't

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happen, you know, But we
do have we do have some people out

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there that, you know, for
for different reasons. You know, they

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they may see that that you know, they've had an experience in the woods

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and you know it was something that
was just too incredible. But again,

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you know, for for being more
rounded researchers, where we just kind of

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you know, sit there and the
possibility of that happening is you know nil,

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you know, And I've heard some
really really good stories. In particular,

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probably one of the best ones was
there was a group of the coldest

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that were in the in the section
of the pine bearers and they were doing

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their thing and apparently a sasquatch came
out and started dancing with them. So

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something like that, I'm just like, well, you know it. But

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again, there's there's different reasons why
why people will will have this, whether

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it's something that's organic or if it's
something that isn't quite so organic where they

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where. It may be somebody looking
for attention, or it may be somebody

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that you know, maybe makes that
misidentification but but really wants it to be

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what it is. Sorry for jumping
down the rabbit hole. No, but

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you know what, you bring up
a really good point, they're matt that

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ties into the big distraction. You
have this experience that takes away everything else

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off the sides, off the right
and the left side of you, and

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now you're focused this particular event that
happened to you. That is the big

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distraction. Absolutely, absolutely, And
and I'll tell you when you you there's

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things that happen to you psychologically when
you do have some sort of experience or

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some sort of sighting. I've had
it myself. I'm trained, you know,

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to to not have tunnel vision,
and when I had my experience in

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the LA National Force, I caught
myself having tunnel vision at the time.

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experience, whether it it's something that's
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mind is working at a different level
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get that. You know, you're
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is and you're gonna you can have
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you're not going to allow that to
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think is really interesting, Matt is
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of those folks who you know,
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you know, caught up in their
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but their own whatever they've manifestation,
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things, and I firmly believe that
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some of these things people experience the
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simply want to and somehow that manifests
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And I'm not saying that happens for
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every bigfoot encounter. I had an
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can damn well guarantee you what I
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them. But there are some folks
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so bad that they do manifest it, you know, for themselves, either

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by choice or you know, perhaps
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to deal with. Let's go back. You know gentlemen who I think wanted

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to experience Bigfoot more than anybody.
They're four horsemen, right, we go

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back, how many of them had
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who wanted it more than them at
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you know, we could say for
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borderline obsession. You know, look
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Renade to Hinden I think Renade to
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you know, collecting shells to you
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marriage, you know, in his
relationship. Yeah, it was just completely

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destroyed by his obsession. So you
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distraction, man, that's a very
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that categorically could fit many different people
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go back through Bigfoot history, like
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distraction really cost people a lot.
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the four Horsemen. I'm sure I
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tell you that, you know,
when I came out as a public bigfoot

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person, the ridicule and the joking
around you take, Matt, you and

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law enforcement. I'm sure you try
to keep it as low key as possible,

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right I do. Yeah, you
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know, constant barad ridicule, right, the ridicule that you deal with.

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So I mean, this distraction for
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costly. And I'll go ahead and
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filibust and right now, go ahead, Henry, come on, let's hear

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from Henry. Well, you know, the day when we talk about the

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big distraction, I think that we
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big footing. I mean Renee.
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hey, he became one of the
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though, you're actually had a sign. Sure now, Henry, you know

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that's a good point that you're making. Guys. You know what we'll talk

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about that because it's on the topic. Do you think having a sighting hurts

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or helps your research. I've got
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want to hear from you guys first. Well, I have never had a

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sighting, and I'll be honest with
you. The only reason that I really

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got interest it was is because Sean
you were and it was something that interests

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me. Now, Bigfoot wasn't a
crypto of my choice. I'm a nessy

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guy and Mothman just because of the
timing on those and that there to me,

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there's a lot of critical evidence.
It's plausible on one way of it

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being a creature, in another way
being something completely different. But as far

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as the Bigfoot community is, the
community made me care more about it because

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there's a lot of really smart people
that believe in something and they have a

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lot of positive, good ideas about
it. Like you know, you know,

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Maldrium isn't an idiot. One of
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isn't an idiot. If Coleman when
when when they said about NeSSI maybe being

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eels and Coleman did the research,
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to do it, and he wasn't
one of those people that would just spit

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out a thing because everybody else is
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I mean, like we had that
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we kind of like I one and
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I was like, I was waiting
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and then we both kind of said, yeah, this is just bs.

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make me depressed because I think that
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this. But at the same time, I like that people are out there

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looking and taking the time to enjoy
the wilderness. And by Bigfoot in the

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Cooler, you're talking about the Georgia
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I think you know, people really
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some of these things. And we'll
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Just wanted to give a reference point
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Comment answer your thought on that,
does having a sighting help or hinder your

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research? Well, I was never
into the Bigfoot thing whatsoever. I saw

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the Patterson Gimlin film when I was
a kid, and I was freaked out

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by it. But I was what
seven years old when I first saw it,

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and okay, this is a creature
that exists in the Pacific Northwest.

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Okay, I'm safe, I'm in
Illinois. But you know, when I

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had my experience a camping trip with
my oldest brother New Year's nineteen ninety nine

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going into two thousand and of course
Y two K was supposed to wipe the

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entire planet out. We had a
bizarre experience. I never put two and

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two together that it was maybe a
bigfoot. I had no idea. All

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I knew is it seemed like a
dinosaur was tramping through the woods, chasing

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a dog and a herd of deer
out of the woodline. And then we

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had pine cones thrown at us.
I knew not about any of this stuff.

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I just found it completely out of
this world and completely bizarre. It

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wasn't until what maybe ten years after
that event happened that I'm hearing just by

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happenstance experiences of people having rocks thrown
at them, having grunts being chased out

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of the woods, but yet not
being able to see what's in the woodline,

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that's chasing them out of the woods. And I start putting two and

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two together. I'm like, well, maybe this is what happened. And

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then all of a sudden, the
sinkhole opened up and I fell into it,

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And now I want to know that's
what I got, Matt, go

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ahead. You know, I came
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a a sighting or encounter was,
you know, because we're fed it through

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you know, back in our day
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we had TV like Unknown Mysteries and
you know, all those shows. So

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yeah, it was always the very
overly dramatic encounter or sighting. And really,

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I mean the things that that we've
had happened in the woods, you

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know, may not have led to
you know, personally, have not led

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to that over over dramatization. You
know, there was no you know,

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ten foot hearing man standing ten yards
in front of me, you know,

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shaking shaking a stick or a tree. It was, you know, we

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had the incident with the tree that
was shaking. We had vocalizations at certain

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times, but whether it really hinders
helps her hinders someone, I don't know,

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you know, it Like I always
think back to one of the people

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I think of as a mentor is
like doctor Russ Jones, and the one

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he doesn't even really call an encounter. He said he was out walking,

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walking his dog off trail and he
sees, you know, a guy hiking

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down, you know, towards the
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in the middle of the summertime.
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initially made that initial look at it, you know, he didn't think because

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probably in our minds, we're thinking
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big Harry Beast and you know,
crossing the road in the middle of

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the night, and it could be
something as subtle as just you know,

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something you know crossing through the woods
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you know, super you know,
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it really doesn't come out that way. And you know, in the

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long run, we see that with
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Eli and Alex, you know,
they you know, they talk about,

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you know, the different experiences that
they've had, but they really haven't had

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that you know, that again made
for TV. The thing. But what

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they've gotten though is great evidence,
right, you know, from them from

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them doing doing those shows and exposing
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but also to the nature world as
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last week. He's never had a

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sighting yet. He says he can't
wait to get the sound of him taking

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a crap from it. The audio
from that'll be gold, right, But

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no, I mean point point where
made Henry your thought on that topic,

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and then well I'll give mine and
then we'll take our break. Well,

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the thing is, I think that
if you have a siding, it might

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lessen your objectivity a little. You
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skeptical about somebody else's signing too, So

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you never know, I'm skept all
the time, right. I have to

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tell you from my own personal experience, it made everything a lot more difficult

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for me having my objectivity, Like
I questioned myself, was I going to

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be able to be impartial and unbiased
moving forward? And then you know,

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as I've talked with Matt over the
years, it's also kind of have you

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know, bolstered my skepticism though,
because I feel that once you've experienced this

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for yourself, there's this unconscious ability
to kind of peer into the eyes of

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someone else and be able to gauge
that bullshit barometer and be able to see

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who really experienced something and who's making
it up. I don't know what it

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is. There's a connection. I
could be insane, that's a possibility,

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but it's just different. But I
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I almost left the field in general
after my sighting because it was very

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impactful to me, and that impact
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reconcile being able to have this experience
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So, you know Henry's point,
he hit it right on the nose.

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With my thoughts, it does make
it a lot harder, and I

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think you have to be very careful
because you want to really believe people after

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that, and it's not always a
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So really good job on that.
I think you hit it right on

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the nose. You kind of took
the words out of my mouth in a

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more simple way, and guys,
on that bro No, on that note,

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foot call. They make all kinds
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points of view from all different angles
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magazine called Northwest Sportsman and the article
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article reads as follows, rest in
peace Bigfoot. This magazine declares, the

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legendary Northwest forest critter is dead.
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in its January February twenty twenty four
issue, What's More Skeptical Inquirer, which

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touts itself as dedicated to science and
reason, goes full ba humbug in stating

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that it is clear there's no evidence
the creature ever existed in the first place.

408
00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:13.679
Then why did start the article by
saying rest and peace Bigfoot? Hmm?

409
00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:16.199
The critter is dead? Well,
the only way it could be dead

410
00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:22.320
is if it existed. There are
article claims that most sightings of the legendary

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biped that is haunted more than a
few of the Northwest campfires over the decades

412
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are actually just regular criters that have
been misidentified, and others were just flat

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out hoaxes. They say that while
there's a small portion of reports that can't

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easily be written off, given all
the way these errors can be made in

415
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collecting purported evidence, such as bad
data, flawed methological assumptions, mistaken identification,

416
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poor recall, hoaxing, etc.
There's neither has to be nor It

417
00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:58.119
is likely that the world Hide and
Seek champion is yet to be found,

418
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lurking amid the unsociet stained and ambiguous
cases. Instead, the most likely reason

419
00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:09.000
for the failure to find Bigfoot is
that the creature simply does not exist,

420
00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:15.519
and that the apparent evidence for them
rests mostly on mistakes, hoaxes, and

421
00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:22.239
wishful thinking. What a killed joy. Bigfoot is beloved regional lore and is

422
00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:30.840
obituary may not sit well with Great
Northwesterners in the cottage industry, stickers,

423
00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:37.000
magnet's T shirts, even a Nativity
scene with Bigfoot which was seen was built

424
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around him as a unique cultural phenomena
as it matures. He goes on to

425
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state higher education ruined me, and
years later, after writing a pretty skeptical

426
00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:53.480
article in my hometown's weekly newspaper about
a Bigfoot buff who on one hand was

427
00:36:53.599 --> 00:36:59.960
hell bent on debunking the Patterson Gimlin
film and on the other hand was professor.

428
00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:05.360
His own evidence was pretty legit.
I heard about it from another uncle

429
00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:12.320
and cousin who are pretty positive Bigfoot
roam the Hinderlens and that science doesn't know

430
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every damn thing there is to know. When we come back, we're going

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Thanks again for listening to this edition of

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The Bigfoot Bullhorn exclusively a Sasquatch experience, and as always, everybody, keep

470
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your toe in the mind. We're
back and alive. So that's a good

471
00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:54.679
thing. A little bit of a
longer break there, But what do you

472
00:40:54.719 --> 00:40:59.960
do? Was necessary? Right,
folks, you've turned back it, You've

473
00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:02.519
tune back into the sasquatch experience,
Sean Forker, James Baker Vance has but

474
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:06.360
Henry May and Matt Arner, guys, before we took a break, we

475
00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:10.480
were talking about this big distraction and
we were talking about, you know,

476
00:41:10.679 --> 00:41:17.800
does having a citing really change your
objectivity or helper hinder your investigative techniques?

477
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:24.199
Vance, let's go more into this, shall we. Sure? I would

478
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:32.639
say that whether you do have an
experience, whether you can confirm it as

479
00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:39.840
a bigfoot or not, it still
would draw you in to want answers.

480
00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:44.960
And I think answers is a big
thing. Look, you know, ninety

481
00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:51.960
nine point nine percent of the entire
subsquatch ery community wants answers. And so

482
00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:57.079
you have an experience, whether you've
seen something or just heard something or had

483
00:41:57.119 --> 00:42:01.159
an experience, you're gonna want to
be able to dive in a little bit

484
00:42:01.159 --> 00:42:07.159
more as to what just happened.
And I'm leaving the word hell out of

485
00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:09.639
it. You know, you know
what just happened, and you're going to

486
00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:16.239
want to have some sort of tangible
evidence to say, well, maybe this

487
00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:23.079
is a real thing, and then
you present that to the community, and

488
00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:30.880
then the community takes that as a
distraction. You know, look at how

489
00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:37.119
many videos we see. Is this
a real video or is there something manipulated

490
00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:44.840
with it that made it a distraction
of some sort and it's a hoax?

491
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:52.199
Or is this reality? And it
drives you down that entire pathway for a

492
00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:59.719
very long time to try to come
to some conclusive answers. Well, I

493
00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:02.360
think that no matter how good this
AI is getting, it still looks fake.

494
00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:07.079
I mean, look at Hollywood,
Nozilla and King Kong still look fake

495
00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:13.280
as hell, right, And I
think AI is not going to be getting

496
00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:15.719
in that position where it's going to
fool anybody with two bits between their brains,

497
00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:20.559
right between their ears and their brain. Where I think we have to

498
00:43:20.599 --> 00:43:24.559
be careful. Is you know we
made that we should were sharing videos last

499
00:43:24.639 --> 00:43:29.000
night right as we talk quite a
bit if you can't tell, you know,

500
00:43:29.079 --> 00:43:32.719
we do socialize outside this one hour
a week and we're sharing videos and

501
00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:36.760
advance. The one thing that kind
of perturbed you is why the hell do

502
00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:40.159
all these videos have music in them? And thank you for bringing that up.

503
00:43:40.400 --> 00:43:45.159
Right. It's quite simply because they're
reposted videos, right, you know.

504
00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:47.199
So what we're getting is we're getting
all these videos that are constantly be

505
00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:52.559
reposting and reposting and reposting, and
we don't know the original context upon which

506
00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:57.000
they were filmed. So we don't
know the true story behind the picture.

507
00:43:57.079 --> 00:44:00.280
We have to go and we have
to search and search and search and urg

508
00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:02.960
right to find the origin for many
of these. Baker, you remember that

509
00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:06.360
you got the message from your brother
and said, oh my god, look

510
00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:07.840
this was I was gonna I was
gonna state that. And he's like,

511
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:10.320
that was on read, that was
up the road from us. I was

512
00:44:10.360 --> 00:44:13.639
like, no, was it?
So I saw that two years ago,

513
00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:15.320
you know, and I saw that, you know, and then I saw

514
00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:19.760
it six months after that, and
one that's in a it's kind of like

515
00:44:20.199 --> 00:44:24.480
whenever you talk about urgent urban legends
and somebody goes, this happened to me

516
00:44:25.239 --> 00:44:29.599
in Chicago. No, no,
no, Bloody Mary happened in Louisiana.

517
00:44:29.800 --> 00:44:31.559
No, it happened in California.
No, you know what, it didn't

518
00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:36.800
happen. Somebody made it up and
then it just kept going, right,

519
00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:43.559
You know, there's there's there's so
many there's so many different stories that are

520
00:44:43.599 --> 00:44:49.000
told eventually, and I admit that
I'm just as stupid about that because honestly,

521
00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:52.239
like I said, as if Sean
or Lauren Coleman told me aliens came

522
00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:55.320
and saw him, I tell people
because I believe it, because I believe

523
00:44:55.360 --> 00:45:00.599
in them, but I also know
that they're smart. Okay. But the

524
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:02.639
problem is is once it got past
me and gets on the mat, and

525
00:45:02.719 --> 00:45:07.559
it gets onto Matt's friend and Matt's
friend after that maybe back over to vance

526
00:45:07.639 --> 00:45:12.840
Vancey's friend, you stop losing the
core person you believed in, and then

527
00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:15.760
it's just shit, right, you
know, And then then you're starting to

528
00:45:15.800 --> 00:45:22.719
tear it apart. The sightings we
see today, I have so much burned

529
00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:27.280
in skeptic about compared to we had
to show what was it two three weeks

530
00:45:27.320 --> 00:45:30.639
ago? It might have been two. But like we had people seeing this

531
00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:35.559
thing in the fifties, sixties,
the forties, those people didn't talk about

532
00:45:35.559 --> 00:45:37.920
it. Those people didn't have an
Internet group to know what it looked like.

533
00:45:38.360 --> 00:45:44.519
So when three people from across different
states said I saw a hairy thing

534
00:45:44.599 --> 00:45:46.639
that was eight feet tall, that
blah blah blah, had had this and

535
00:45:46.639 --> 00:45:51.199
it looked like this, and it
walked like that, I'm more apt to

536
00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:55.519
say, yes, there's a good
chance they saw something of the same thing.

537
00:45:55.599 --> 00:46:00.199
Now, Perker knows a lot of
my escape date theories and things like

538
00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:01.719
that, and it might have been
a bear and things like that. But

539
00:46:01.760 --> 00:46:06.639
in general, though, I'm more
apt to believe them. If somebody tomorrow

540
00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:10.880
shows me a video of bigfoot walking
across what was it that train video where

541
00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:16.119
he's walking across the cliff area,
and then two weeks later some store goes,

542
00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:20.119
no, we did that. We
did that to promote our beefsticks or

543
00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:24.440
blah blah blah. Yeah, because
you're an agle. Okay, make it

544
00:46:24.559 --> 00:46:30.719
that's true. You know, so, like I believe in the older research

545
00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:35.639
more than I'm believing the research now, because it's too easy. Like Sean,

546
00:46:35.719 --> 00:46:38.679
we've all said a million times we're
spoon feeding. You had to kind

547
00:46:38.679 --> 00:46:45.599
of make up a scle Yeah,
right it. We could do it tomorrow.

548
00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:47.800
May have worker could go down to
the woods tomorrow. Circles some take

549
00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:52.239
some pictures, circles, circles.
I could get you convinced that it was

550
00:46:52.280 --> 00:46:59.079
in my front yard eating right,
you know. And with that said,

551
00:46:59.239 --> 00:47:02.079
you know, it is back to
the original comment that I threw to Sean.

552
00:47:04.039 --> 00:47:09.599
It's it's very interesting videos that's being
shared, but I think it's meant

553
00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:16.039
to specifically go viral. So let's
put some music in there. Let's put

554
00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:21.519
some creepy music in there. Well
I'm sorry, but the creepy music is

555
00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:28.079
doubbing out the silence of maybe something
subtle that you can hear in the background

556
00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:34.199
because there's music playing. Stop it. If you recorded a video, let

557
00:47:34.239 --> 00:47:39.679
that video just play without any any
enhancement whatsoever added to it, and we

558
00:47:39.800 --> 00:47:45.159
can figure it out a little bit
better. And piggyback on that video,

559
00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:49.480
the original video from when you were
eating potato salad with Grandma to when you

560
00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:52.280
saw it to when you're shutting yourself
in the woods. I want to see

561
00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:58.599
it all, but I want to
see the before. Why you're taking a

562
00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:01.559
video, nless you're some petal bear. I almost say shit, okay,

563
00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:06.480
but then, but then I want
to see what's afterwards when you guys are

564
00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:09.960
all screaming at each other and there's
no way and saw that that whole video

565
00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:15.639
clip added to the video, because
otherwise you cut out the exciting part to

566
00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:21.480
screw me over well, you know, and in the devil's in the details,

567
00:48:21.559 --> 00:48:22.599
right, So if you're looking at
a video such as the one,

568
00:48:22.719 --> 00:48:27.960
you know you're kind of talking about
Jaker Baker in your case, you know

569
00:48:28.039 --> 00:48:30.280
you want that after footage. I
think there's nobody that's that good of an

570
00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:36.719
actor that can fake that genuine reaction. Even we've we've seen all these you

571
00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:39.280
know, crappy b rated Bigfoot movies
or even the good big Foot on movies.

572
00:48:39.760 --> 00:48:47.840
It's still acting and you can tell
there's another train coming. It's there.

573
00:48:47.880 --> 00:48:50.760
We go. I mute to Jim
c. You can't hear what he's

574
00:48:50.760 --> 00:48:59.920
saying, folks. Probably better for
the public, But as there's just nobo

575
00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:05.079
that it's that good at acting that
can fabricate. I truly feel that anybody

576
00:49:05.119 --> 00:49:08.119
with good common sense can really narrow
down when someone's acting or not, and

577
00:49:08.159 --> 00:49:14.960
you gotta have the whole story.
And to Bag's point and your point,

578
00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:16.960
vance when we got these videos that
we were watching, there's so much of

579
00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:21.800
it left out right now. The
one thing I did find compelling in that

580
00:49:21.840 --> 00:49:27.280
one particular video is the body language
of the subject kind of fits into the

581
00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:31.239
motif of bigfoot behavior that we've come
to know, you know, dodging the

582
00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:37.199
light luminescence from the eyes. Still
pretty compelling, and I'll find a link

583
00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:39.480
to it and I'll put it in
the show notes so folks can take a

584
00:49:39.519 --> 00:49:44.239
listen or take a look at what
they're listening to. Matt, do you

585
00:49:44.239 --> 00:49:49.719
have any thoughts on that AI and
video? Yeah, I mean, the

586
00:49:49.719 --> 00:49:54.679
one thing is is AI is getting
better, but we're also at a point

587
00:49:54.719 --> 00:50:01.320
where there's sinks to look for.
And I'm not gonna disclose on the podcast

588
00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:07.159
what to look for, but there's
things that we can find on whether it's

589
00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:13.800
AI video or photography that's pretty easy
to pick up if you google it.

590
00:50:14.119 --> 00:50:17.920
I'm sure you'll find some open source
information. I'll tell you all about it.

591
00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:23.639
But but yeah, you know,
there's again with the reactions. And

592
00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:29.480
that's another thing too, is with
my with my training experience, I've gone

593
00:50:29.559 --> 00:50:36.440
through the body language classes. I've
learned about micro expressions when I see people

594
00:50:36.639 --> 00:50:39.199
talking to me. And the big
thing was when we were when we did

595
00:50:39.199 --> 00:50:47.360
the summer conference with Gwen out in
Central Pa, the Central Pa Bigfoot Festival,

596
00:50:47.800 --> 00:50:52.679
there was people that were coming up
to us and and you can kind

597
00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:55.559
of read them right off the bat. Is this something that you know,

598
00:50:55.599 --> 00:51:01.320
they're just trying to see how you're
going to react to to to it with

599
00:51:01.360 --> 00:51:05.719
them telling you a story. But
then there was also other people that came

600
00:51:05.800 --> 00:51:08.159
up to us. There's a there
was a farmer that I spoke with that

601
00:51:08.159 --> 00:51:14.000
that wasn't that far from you,
and I was reading his body language.

602
00:51:14.039 --> 00:51:17.199
I was reading, you know,
just about everything from his face. And

603
00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:23.440
the guy showed no absolutely no signs
that that he was being deceitful at all.

604
00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:29.800
He did show that he was,
you know, maybe a little I

605
00:51:29.800 --> 00:51:34.960
wouldn't stay scared. But he he
went to keep the the encounter private.

606
00:51:36.159 --> 00:51:39.840
So that was one one big thing
because he doesn't want his name out there.

607
00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:44.880
He doesn't want to you know,
be pictured on the news or anything

608
00:51:44.920 --> 00:51:47.719
like that. He just came up
to us to tell us what his encounter

609
00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:51.480
was. And it was a pretty
good encounter as well, right and he

610
00:51:51.559 --> 00:51:55.199
and he hasn't been in contact with
us to investigate either. He hasn't really.

611
00:51:57.280 --> 00:52:00.000
He just really wanted to share that, you know what, Yeah,

612
00:52:00.159 --> 00:52:02.639
make off his chest. Yeah,
absolutely, And we provide that out with

613
00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:06.719
and that's okay. I'm fine with
that. But the investigator in me wants

614
00:52:06.800 --> 00:52:09.039
to suit up and wants to get
out there, and you know, see,

615
00:52:09.079 --> 00:52:13.719
and we goes back to another conversation
we've had in the past. Guys,

616
00:52:14.199 --> 00:52:19.000
some people, just if they knew
it existed, wouldn't want to release

617
00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:22.000
it to anybody. And I think
he's one of these guys that would.

618
00:52:22.039 --> 00:52:28.039
Really he's okay knowing what's going on. He just needed to tell somebody that

619
00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:31.000
would believe him. But you know, as for going out there and badgering

620
00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:35.039
it, I don't think he wants
that experience. And also keep in mind

621
00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:37.920
that, you know, something I've
thought with over the time. If we

622
00:52:37.960 --> 00:52:40.360
go out do we make these situation
worse for the people that are experiencing them?

623
00:52:42.559 --> 00:52:50.119
Yep? Do the does the harassment
step up? Does the interaction get

624
00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:52.599
more physical? I don't know,
and I haven't heard that to be the

625
00:52:52.639 --> 00:52:55.599
case, but that takes me back
in my mind to you know, Henry

626
00:52:55.639 --> 00:53:00.920
the si Jahannabi Oklahoma, right where
those folks brought in those researchers and the

627
00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:06.920
attacks on the home got more intense
and there were shootings going on, and

628
00:53:07.159 --> 00:53:12.239
you know, it was a real
situation. I think that episode itself would

629
00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:15.320
be a good episode for us to
go down that incident. Oh absolutely,

630
00:53:16.079 --> 00:53:20.320
you know, that whole thing,
you know, got worse when more investigators

631
00:53:20.360 --> 00:53:22.199
hit the ground. And you know, I think a book that I'm going

632
00:53:22.280 --> 00:53:25.639
to go off on a tangent here, I'm sorry that I think people need

633
00:53:25.639 --> 00:53:30.559
to read when it comes to interactions
in Bigfoot is one that gets overlooked many

634
00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:35.119
times, and that's The Locals by
Tom Powell. It's a phenomenal book,

635
00:53:35.199 --> 00:53:38.440
isn't it, not, Henry,
It's it's a great Yes. I think

636
00:53:38.480 --> 00:53:43.119
it kind of gets overshadowed by a
second book. But the first book is

637
00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:46.559
The Locals. Is It's up there
in my top ten of books that you

638
00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:51.679
have to read if you're you know, serious about the inquiry. And there

639
00:53:51.679 --> 00:53:54.360
are stories in there that you don't
get all the time. And we've talked

640
00:53:54.400 --> 00:54:00.239
about, you know, habituation and
how as a researcher you kind of got

641
00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:05.880
to be on guard and not get
roped into what is obviously bullshit and what

642
00:54:06.039 --> 00:54:10.119
really could be an ongoing series of
encounters. I think we have to change

643
00:54:10.119 --> 00:54:15.360
the term habituation. I think habituation
stirs up the you know, images of

644
00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:23.079
the lady who we shall not name
in Tennessee to you know, that may

645
00:54:23.119 --> 00:54:28.079
be something a little bit more fantastic. Look, folks, they're everywhere and

646
00:54:28.199 --> 00:54:31.679
sometimes you you know, Matt and
I talked today and without going into details

647
00:54:31.719 --> 00:54:37.639
of this specific situation, you got
to look at people's psyche and some people

648
00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:42.719
that endure some terrible things find a
way to cope. And sometimes that coping

649
00:54:42.760 --> 00:54:49.360
mechanism is finding themselves in this imaginary
world they live in with fake protectors because

650
00:54:49.360 --> 00:54:53.639
they've never dealt with the trauma of
their childhood or something traumatic that happened to

651
00:54:53.679 --> 00:54:59.440
them. And it is getting a
little psychological because it's very true there are

652
00:54:59.440 --> 00:55:04.199
people out there that are really suffering
from some deep traumatic things that haven't felt

653
00:55:04.199 --> 00:55:08.480
with, haven't found healthy outlets to
cope with that make themselves a parent.

654
00:55:08.519 --> 00:55:12.519
In this community, they get a
hell of a following behind them, and

655
00:55:12.519 --> 00:55:16.519
it's very dangerous because it's just not
as it's meant to be. But but

656
00:55:16.880 --> 00:55:22.360
again that leads us back to the
title of the show. That's a big

657
00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:27.280
distraction. It is it keeps them
away from dealing with whatever hurt them and

658
00:55:28.280 --> 00:55:31.079
continuously protects them from the pain of
what, you know, whatever it is.

659
00:55:31.119 --> 00:55:35.800
But it's not healthy. And I
think when we look at this whole

660
00:55:35.840 --> 00:55:39.280
phenomena from a mental health perspective,
you know, we have to be very

661
00:55:39.280 --> 00:55:44.639
careful because just as if there's a
flesh and blood and a paranormal, we

662
00:55:44.800 --> 00:55:47.320
got to start grouping witnesses kind of
in the same thing, is that they're

663
00:55:47.360 --> 00:55:54.800
the mainstream, legitimate or schizophrenic,
because there's a there is an unhealthy element

664
00:55:54.960 --> 00:55:59.960
that it actually could put researchers in
danger. And I think that's a lot

665
00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:02.960
thing that we don't think about,
is the danger we put ourselves in sometimes

666
00:56:04.440 --> 00:56:07.960
to investigate some of this stuff.
Baker, we go back to that investigation

667
00:56:08.039 --> 00:56:12.320
that you and I did. Everybody
was oohing and on over these photographs.

668
00:56:12.320 --> 00:56:15.000
You asked the guy for the photos. It's it's a blow up of polaroids

669
00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:20.079
from his grandma's bay window. This
guy has aliens, he's got bigfoot,

670
00:56:20.119 --> 00:56:25.039
he's got the circle in the circles
galore in this goddamn circles. Baker rides

671
00:56:25.119 --> 00:56:29.679
up the road. Didn't realize we
didn't you jump out of a moving car.

672
00:56:30.239 --> 00:56:32.079
He jumps out of a moving vehicle
to get out of there because he's

673
00:56:32.119 --> 00:56:38.199
worried that he just took a ride
up the road with Missus Vorgees. I

674
00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:42.360
saw how that movie started. I
was not gonna be that cook lady.

675
00:56:42.440 --> 00:56:47.559
Okay, the same, But you
know you make and the worst part is

676
00:56:47.559 --> 00:56:52.800
is you make one Vallid point is
that is you're taking somebody. Well,

677
00:56:53.000 --> 00:56:57.960
the one that I can really latch
onto is you're taking somebody that's up here

678
00:56:58.079 --> 00:57:01.360
and like I know what I'm seeing
and or whatever, and you're corroding that

679
00:57:01.480 --> 00:57:07.239
dream. And when you do that, and as you pick any topic and

680
00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:10.920
I'm not going to go into specifics
because it'll upset people, but if you

681
00:57:12.039 --> 00:57:15.159
believe in something this hardcore and someone
starts to chip away from it, your

682
00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:21.920
natural defense is to get angry because
they're right, because they're because you feel

683
00:57:21.960 --> 00:57:25.760
they're attacking you. It's not that
they're attacking you, it's that that they

684
00:57:25.800 --> 00:57:31.440
don't believe you and either need more
information or science says you're just not right.

685
00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:37.480
And the thing is is that people
don't handle that well in any situation,

686
00:57:37.639 --> 00:57:42.000
even when like Sean, you're you're
a manager, and you know that

687
00:57:42.519 --> 00:57:45.679
you know Matt, your your cop, and if somebody walks over to you

688
00:57:45.719 --> 00:57:49.679
and says all your evidence that you
collected was nothing, and you go,

689
00:57:50.159 --> 00:57:52.039
no, no, no, I
did seventeen hours worth of work. I

690
00:57:52.039 --> 00:57:55.480
had to deal with the smelly pump
guy. You know, you may because

691
00:57:55.519 --> 00:57:59.800
this guy is tearing this down,
that you get all this work for.

692
00:58:00.119 --> 00:58:06.000
So you when you go out to
investigate and make sure you can solidly conversate,

693
00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:09.719
you know, like customer service voice
is key. You might be the

694
00:58:09.760 --> 00:58:14.360
wheels in the back of your head
might be singing crazy, But what you

695
00:58:14.440 --> 00:58:15.880
need to do is just say,
well, yeah, I can see your

696
00:58:15.880 --> 00:58:20.599
point of view and a few other
things. Let me take what you got

697
00:58:20.639 --> 00:58:24.159
that you're willing to give us,
and we'll call you when things we see

698
00:58:24.199 --> 00:58:28.840
it, we can see you,
and then you go get a coffee and

699
00:58:28.920 --> 00:58:31.480
you drive away. Okay. But
then there's also a countrary to that,

700
00:58:31.559 --> 00:58:37.039
people baker that have had ongoing encounters
for thirty forty to fifty plus years that

701
00:58:37.119 --> 00:58:40.239
have been made out to be crazy, who may not be crazy at all.

702
00:58:40.679 --> 00:58:45.679
They may have had legitimate activity over
the fifty years is a long time,

703
00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:51.559
and that's and that's valid. That's
valid ongoing experiences over that time.

704
00:58:51.639 --> 00:58:55.079
That's not unheard of, that that's
not uncommon. But the thing with that

705
00:58:55.199 --> 00:59:00.679
is most of the people that are
that are commonly having a use of experience.

706
00:59:00.760 --> 00:59:02.280
I have no problem with you lived
in the same town, in the

707
00:59:02.320 --> 00:59:06.840
same house and you saw Bigfoot twenty
seven times, because you're still don't live

708
00:59:06.880 --> 00:59:08.800
in the land. Then it lives
in same like the deer and all the

709
00:59:08.840 --> 00:59:13.679
other animals that live in that surrounding
area. But if you say, oh,

710
00:59:13.760 --> 00:59:16.119
then I drove to Oklahoma and there
was one at the gas station that

711
00:59:16.159 --> 00:59:20.599
I drove to Tennessee and there was
another one on there's other Sonoko. Is

712
00:59:20.719 --> 00:59:24.760
it traveling to Sonoko's around the country
that you happen to be at. No.

713
00:59:27.079 --> 00:59:32.519
Yeah, that's where the problem with
habituation. It's where these people say,

714
00:59:32.920 --> 00:59:37.039
I see it every day and you've
got no video, You've got no

715
00:59:37.159 --> 00:59:40.800
photos, you've got no hair,
you've got no tracks. Bullshit, you

716
00:59:40.920 --> 00:59:47.079
got nothing because you're not seeing what
you think you're seeing. You're talking to

717
00:59:47.119 --> 00:59:52.719
your imaginary pet rabbit. Jeans.
Jeans, you brought up so many excellent

718
00:59:52.760 --> 00:59:57.960
points in there. You brought back
a lot of flash fact memories. My

719
00:59:58.119 --> 01:00:02.800
partner out here in the northeast part
is less less than cabbage. Great,

720
01:00:04.239 --> 01:00:08.679
great researcher, wonderful wonderful guy.
And there's been two occasions that we've been

721
01:00:08.760 --> 01:00:15.760
out in the one, uh,
we can't go into details, but thankfully

722
01:00:15.960 --> 01:00:20.360
I had a second person go with
me because I did not feel safe in

723
01:00:20.400 --> 01:00:24.880
that house. And then there was
another time where again we can't go into

724
01:00:24.880 --> 01:00:30.800
too many details, but the guy
was so convinced that what was going through

725
01:00:30.840 --> 01:00:37.599
his property was a bigfoot that he
spent thousands of dollars on thermal equipment,

726
01:00:37.000 --> 01:00:44.000
on cameras, on on voice recorders, everything, and and he he knew

727
01:00:44.039 --> 01:00:46.400
in the back of his mind that
was a Sasquatch. And Les and I

728
01:00:46.400 --> 01:00:50.639
are sitting there looking at the at
the trackway, I'm like, no,

729
01:00:50.840 --> 01:00:52.840
this is this is something that bounded
like you know, it could have been

730
01:00:52.840 --> 01:01:00.679
a deer, It could have been
really anything that was able to bound towards

731
01:01:00.719 --> 01:01:04.559
it towards the end of the property. But this guy was so was so

732
01:01:04.679 --> 01:01:07.400
convinced that, you know, he
didn't want to listen to us. He

733
01:01:07.880 --> 01:01:13.079
went to to you know, four
other researchers trying to get that trying to

734
01:01:13.119 --> 01:01:17.519
get that validation. And it was
the validation we just LESSA and I just

735
01:01:17.599 --> 01:01:23.280
did not We didn't feel comfortable because
it wasn't there. Wow. And you

736
01:01:23.320 --> 01:01:29.159
know, you make a valid point
because I used to sell electronics to people,

737
01:01:29.960 --> 01:01:31.599
okay, and we would have people
that would come in that would tell

738
01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:37.519
us that someone's someone's messing with their
property and they would buy one thousands of

739
01:01:37.519 --> 01:01:42.840
dollars equipment. We'd set it up
everything else and like nothing. But when

740
01:01:42.880 --> 01:01:45.920
they came in, they go,
your cameras aren't right because he was there,

741
01:01:45.159 --> 01:01:49.320
No that he wasn't there. After
you're seeing and you try to be

742
01:01:49.400 --> 01:01:52.119
polite, and it's six months later, so you're not returning the stuff.

743
01:01:52.119 --> 01:01:55.679
Sorry, you know, And you
know, and their family comes in and

744
01:01:55.719 --> 01:02:01.880
goes, don't sell them anything else. I have explained to them that we

745
01:02:01.920 --> 01:02:06.000
shouldn't be helping them, but they
still keep giving us a credit card.

746
01:02:06.079 --> 01:02:10.239
Weren't evil. We just can't tell
them no, you know, and and

747
01:02:10.239 --> 01:02:14.920
and you as a police officer,
and even you know, you know Vance

748
01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:17.599
and and Sean. You know,
there are people that if they're dead set,

749
01:02:17.719 --> 01:02:22.920
that's what it is. There's no
way parting them from that road without

750
01:02:22.960 --> 01:02:28.800
hurting them mentally. We don't want
more because the lady was the one that

751
01:02:28.880 --> 01:02:31.280
I dealt with, was a nice
person. And if you weren't talking about

752
01:02:31.280 --> 01:02:37.960
the fact that someone was stalking her
in her yard. She seemed completely okay.

753
01:02:37.360 --> 01:02:42.400
But then you have the opposite problem
of you don't believe somebody, and

754
01:02:42.440 --> 01:02:45.480
you don't believe somebody, and yeah, the neighbor next door poisoner for five

755
01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:50.840
years, like someone killed her,
and now we didn't let write And I

756
01:02:50.840 --> 01:02:53.280
mean, you run into that situation. And for the sake of time,

757
01:02:53.320 --> 01:02:57.800
we've got to start wrapping it up
here because we're going over. But you

758
01:02:57.840 --> 01:03:00.559
know, the big distraction of Vansos
is a great up. So it took

759
01:03:00.639 --> 01:03:04.800
us down some several rabbit holes that
were really worth talking about. I think

760
01:03:04.840 --> 01:03:07.880
everybody made some great points tonight.
At the end of the day, I

761
01:03:07.880 --> 01:03:09.320
think the summing up, we're not
trying to hurt anybody. We're trying to

762
01:03:09.320 --> 01:03:13.480
add a little bit more critical thought
to your life. Right, think about

763
01:03:13.599 --> 01:03:16.079
things, weigh them out, weigh
the pros, weigh the cause, weigh

764
01:03:16.199 --> 01:03:22.679
the consequences, and partner up whenever
you can for safety, folks. I'm

765
01:03:22.679 --> 01:03:27.039
Sean the Fort Chop Forker. He's
James Baker, that's vans and Asbit,

766
01:03:27.440 --> 01:03:31.679
He's Matt Arner, and there's Henry
May. Henry give them those closing words.

767
01:03:32.039 --> 01:03:37.400
It'll be good. We will see
you next week with another great episode.

768
01:03:37.400 --> 01:03:47.000
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769
01:03:47.000 --> 01:03:52.960
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