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The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big Fight Weekend. Now

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Well, Hello there and welcome in.

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It is a brand new weekend,
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Are we ready to go for another
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It's the weeknap and the preview very
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No, I'm not laying groundwork for
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Get all of that done and we
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let's get to it. A championship
doubleheader Thursday night that we have been looking

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forward to. These don't happen that
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explained why, for the scheduling reasons
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Thursday evening and Dan Rayfield, we've
been doing this about a year and a

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half. All Right, I'm gonna
come at this a couple different ways.

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Number One, we tell the truth. We do our best to tell you

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the truth. And number two,
it's late and maybe I'm a little punchy,

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but I think you're in agreement with
me. After watching what went on,

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what a waste of time in the
main event with Shaquur Stevenson and Edwin

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Delos Santos, terrible, terrible main
event fight. There's me saying that you

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began go ahead, I mean you
said it. It was let's just be

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frank. It sucked. It was
a terrible fight, and I'm actually you

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know what Shaqourt said after the fight
that he didn't feel well, Okay,

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I mean that happens. I mean, I get it. At least he

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admitted that it was a bad fight, like and he didn't try to cop

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out and make the argument that it
was somehow some kind of brilliant display.

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He won the fight. I thought
he won far more handily than the scores

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were. One judge headed seven rounds
to five. Two judge had eight rounds

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to four. I had it.
I think I had like eleven rounds to

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one. I mean, but how
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Shaqurt was the winner of the fight, no doubt about it. But

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it was a garbage, terrible,
horrible fight. I'm thinking about Rigando fights.

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I'm thinking about clitchko Fury, I'm
thinking about Davera Williamson against Chris Bird.

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I'm thinking about various John Ruiz fights. When it went in a program

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fight, a title fight a couple
of months, you know, for that

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was just awful. There's been some
stink aoos, But for a guy that

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has so much respect from the boxing
public, and the press and a guy

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like schakor Stevenson because of his outright
gifts, uh in terms of his boxing

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skills, and I don't find him
boring generally. I mean, even though

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he may not be a dynamic puncher
and you know, a knockout artist and

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exciting you know fights, he's a
really good fighter. I'll give him,

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you know, I'll cut him some
slack if he had if he didn't feel

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well, Okay, I get it. But still, you know, when

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you only perform and you're given a
job three times a year, if you're

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lucky, you know, you kind
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of the game each and every time. It's not like in the NBA where

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they're playing, you know, eighty
two games, or they're in the Major

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League Baseball you're playing one hundred and
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seasons you're playing seventeen regular season games. It's it's fewer and far between in

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boxing. So the thing that was
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chirping after the fight that you know, he somehow was the winner, and

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you know, he's the people's champion, and I'm like, dude, he

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did absolutely nothing. You can say
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You know, he even had said
he thought a bad fight. He didn't

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even see that happy to have the
world title in the third way class,

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which in the pre fight when I
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other people like it was a big
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he's upset with the performance, but
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Santos couldn't do anything with him.
I mean he was out classed. He

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you know, he he couldn't find
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Chaquurt was somehow mister offense either,
But can I can we go over a

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copy box stats? We have a
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because I mean we will say this, the navarate co feature is more than

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worth our time to go over.
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was just I mean, you knew
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with it in real time. But
when Joe Tessitur finally said, like in

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the eleventh round, neither fighter has
had a round where they have landed ten

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punches double figures in any of these
rounds, you knew it was bad.

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So get into some more of the
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they went through the full twelve without
doing that. It's not like they suddenly

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came alive in the last round of
the fight. So okay. So in

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terms of the historical element of the
fight, you do aster course. Stevenson,

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for better or for worse, he
now has won world titles in three

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different weight classes, featherweight, junior, lightweight where he unified now lightweight at

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age twenty six, all in the
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impressive, no matter how bad this
fight was not a lot of guys have

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done that, and he has pretty
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in his entire career. So you
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bad news in terms of this particular
fight as just absolutely fucking pathetic as it

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was to watch. I mean just
terrible, terrible, terrible. So deal

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Santos now has the ignominious pag if
you will, having made CompuBox history.

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He landed a total in twelve rounds
of forty punches, which I will tell

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you that in the thirty eight year
history of CompuBox, having tracked literally thousands

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and thousands of fights, is the
fewest ever landed in a twelve round bout.

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That is just over four punches per
round tears. So I'm going to

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give you a couple of stats off
of his numbers. First of all,

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he never landed more than six punches
in a round. That was in round

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ten. He had one round in
the third where he landed one. Now

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he was a little busier than Chakor
he was landing, you know, in

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the or throwing I should say,
in the twenties and low thirties per round

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thirty. He got there like twice
over the course of the fight, but

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just landed absolutely nothing. One of
the worst offensive performances I've ever seen.

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He lands fifty out of three hundred
and sixteen punches per compy box. And

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I have to tell you, because
there were so few punches being thrown and

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landed, I believe these stats are
going to be very accurate because there wasn't

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fight to counsel. He landed less
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And the unforgivable part, just before
you move on, is he did

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not try in the final few rounds
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effort to land punches. It's even
more ridiculous when you know you're the B

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side fighter, like we talk about
all the time, you know you're not

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going to get the decision by not
being active to not at least try in

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the nineteen times. I felt like
the twelfth I felt like he picked it

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up a little bit maybe in the
twelfth round, but it was way too

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late at that point. I mean, he wouldn't need you know, he

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wouldn't need multiple knockdowns at that point. Even But let's talk about the world

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class fighter and his numbers, please. So Schakourt basically controlled this fight with

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his right jet. He's a South
bother both South bost He controlled the fight

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with his jet. Now, there
was a lot of conversation during the fight.

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I noticed it. He didn't throw
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He was asked if it was injured. He didn't go there. If

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it feels like it was maybe hurt
or something was up. He you know,

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clearly gave that vibe that something was
wrong. If it was, I

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give the man credit for not bitching
about it and not complaining. I've said

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a million times I'm not taking two
excuses. You know, if you're good

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enough to get in the ring,
you don't got to talk about it if

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he got an injury. So,
but it was clear that he didn't throw

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the left he won this fight with
as a one handed fighter. It was

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sort of like Roy Jones against Bernard
Hopkins, where he threw, you know,

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he had a messed up hand in
that fight. He won the fight

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with one hand basically. So his
jab numbers were pretty good in the sense

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that he threw you know, a
lot. He landed you know, about

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a third of them, forty five
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so that that's pretty good. But
overall though statistically, once again, it

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wasn't quite as miserable as de los
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the record setting low of forty punches, Chicourt not exactly missed her offense.

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Uh, he landed sixty five punches
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one percent. So here's put it
in perspective. They fought a twelve round

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bout. The two guys combined to
land one hundred and five punches and something.

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Now I'm not saying this ha to
be like you got to put your

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chin out there and ruin your life
by getting slammed with every single punch out

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there. But we've seen plenty of
fights where guys you know, you know,

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who are good boxers and have good
skills still may swap and land one

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hundred punches combined, you know,
in three rounds, let's say. So

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that tells you how little offense there
was in this fight. And the crowd,

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by the way, was booing basically
intermittently through almost every single round after

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like the first few rounds of the
fight, I mean, not like steady

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and raining down. But you know, clearly they were not satisfied. So

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his stats were terrible. There was
not a single what I didn't feel like,

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a single telling punch in the whole
fight where you thought, okay,

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he rocked and he hurt him,
you know, chieh or land in a

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couple of nice body shots. I
can't think of a single, like really

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legit shot that De Lo Sano's landed, that did anything. And what made

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it worse. If this was just
in a vacuum, it would stink out

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loud no matter what. But having
seen this coming fifteen minutes after the war

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between Contasao and Navarette, it makes
it even worse, you know, and

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Chkuer didn't call anybody out after.
He didn't want to talk about the future

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because he knew what a bad fight
this was. But the same the guys

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are going to be out there that
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You know, I don't think Devin
Haney White Doubt's coming back to one hundred

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and thirty five pounds. You know. There there's you know, whoever else

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you want to talk about. I
mean, they've talked about Tank Davis.

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You and I both know that ain't
happening. This was a fight on his

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top ranked contract. It's a well
known they talked about on the broadcast this.

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I was new this ahead of time. He has one more fight left

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on the contract. Floyd Mayweather was
there in his dressing room to say hello

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beforehand. Maybe he's going to try
to recruit him. He did walk out

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with some star power, flanked by
Terrence Crawford and Andre Ward, you know,

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and Floyd Mayweather was there with him
in the dressing room. That's that's

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some pretty big time pound for pound
and that's that's what Shakor has the talent.

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But he'll never he won't get there
with repeated performances like this. He

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knows, Yeah, Paul Wilson,
And by the way, I believe he'll

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be better in the future. I'm
willing to look at this as an anomaly,

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and I don't think this is indicative
of who he is and just who

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he was on that on this Thursday
night in that time. Now he has

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made the excuse before, it's an
excuse. I was sick in one of

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his title fights. I think it
was against Nakatia. He said after the

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fight, I was sick in the
fight. So if he's saying that again

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after this fight, that's the second
time he's doing this. I say he

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was sick, he said, feel
well, or maybe it's the hand like

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you said, and he's covering that
up. We don't know that. You'll

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you'll root that out too, because
you're the best at that. If that

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is in fact what's going on here
on this, I'll go even a little

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stronger. And I don't touchy situation
because he can be a promotional free agent

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coming up, but top rank should
be clear with him too. We can't

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put you on pay per view if
you're fighting like that. No one will

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buy a pay per view if you're
fighting. If you're fighting like that,

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you gotta fight like you fought against
Jamel Hering for example. Uh, and

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again we are sitting here, raw
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a little punching. Maybe he has
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there just was not You know,
we've given that more attention than it probably

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deserves, sure from watching that for
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more coming up here on the podcast, including news and nostalgia. Let's get

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to the Imanuel Navarate co feature fight
the WBO one hundred and thirty pound title,

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because there was so much more action, like two rounds of that fight

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was better than the entire Chakor fight. So tell me what you saw,

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including Robson Consissau, the Brazilian going
down not once but twice and yet hanging

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in firing back, showing a lot
of will. What were your thoughts Dan

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on Navarat and Consasao which ends up
being a draw by the way, your

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thoughts on this one well as far
as the scoring, you said it was

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a draw turn out to be a
majority draw. So the way that the

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judges had it was one judge scored
the fight one fourteen to one twelve in

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favor of Neverette, which I thought
was very fair. That seemed quite reasonable.

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I actually thought Navarette won by one
edition point two. Other judges had

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it one thirteen to one thirteen,
and it was one of those kind of

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fights where to me anyway, and
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about it was very clear that while
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thing and landing a lot of punches
and throwing a lot of punches and whatever,

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the damage the outright damaged, the
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that Navarette was doing even throwing far
fewer and landing far fewer punches. Clearly

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he was the heavier hitter. He
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scored two knockdowns. Contissao's nose was
messed up. It was bleeding on the

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bridge of the noses. I was
swelling, yes, wobbly. There was

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one round later in the fight where
they showed an overhead of him walking back

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to the corner where he was literally
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round eleven help, he helped back
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the damage was being inflicted by Navarette. He's clearly the winner of the fight.

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However, you must tip a hat. Give the props to never Rette

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just for the balls that this guy
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you know he talked about leading up
to the fight. It took him three

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tries in the Olympics, his third
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where he won the gold medal.
He has had two previous world title

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fights against Oscar Valdez and against Jakor
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and so in the pre fight,
his whole talking point was, this

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is my third time. My third
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win the gold, my third time
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to do it this time. And
he thought like that. He let it

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all hang out as much heart as
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and just you know, was not
getting knocked out. I thought Neverette had

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him, you know, around the
eighth round. I thought it was going

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to be over and out. You
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incredible amount of heart and will and
desire. And I don't care that he

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lost the fight. You give me
Robson Kosasau and another solid fight at that

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weight class. I'm watching if it's
a rematch, that'd be fine to give

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me a rematch. Now, this
is interesting because it was so tight on

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the scoring. All three judges gave
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front and to presumably have him now
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and all three judges gave Consissau the
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draw. So that's which, by
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I gave Never, I gave Navarette
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round twelve. I just want to
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this fight compared to the to the
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Navarete, okay, what do we
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in the in the main event,
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ten punches whatever, it was awful. Navarete alone landed one hundred and sixteen.

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Contisao alone landed two hundred and thirteen. So between them they landed two

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hundred and thirty nine I'm sorry,
three hundred and thirty nine, three times

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the punch. Three, yes,
three hundred and twenty nine punches they landed

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combined, which is three times as
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round fights. I mean, it
just shows you again, I I you

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know, I understand that the punches
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the day, you know, boxing
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gonna entertain it in any way,
you're not gonna be You can you can

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fight, you can fight for titles, but nobody's gonna care, nobody's gonna

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want to watch. And the contrast
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opened things up. And then go
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los angles in the main event was
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for a couple more moments here and
then we're gonna move off of this,

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get to some news and nostalgia.
But I thought it was an apt it's

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had a good word. We're doing
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an apt comment by I believe Joe
Tessa Tour late in the fight where he

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said, this guy is always in
an exciting fight. There's another way to

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say it. He's never in a
doll fight Navaraatee because he throws from all

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angles and he gets hit a lot
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got hit a lot in this fight. Concisu did not have a lot on

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the punches, especially late in the
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was entertaining, it was interesting,
it was dramatic, it was everything that

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the main event was not. Just
give me a quick thought, do you

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think the rematches? Maybe next Navaraatee
fights somebody else for unification next speculate what

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do you think? Well? I
think the way that both the fighters spoke

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and the ring afterwards, they showed
great respect for each other cuts out.

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They neither one of them really moaned
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you know, a draw scene fair
even if I thought that never at they

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edged it out. But anyway,
both them were very respectful of the other

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guy as they were leading up to
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yeah, let's do it. Well, we'll do a rematch. Never

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at this and it may not be
my decision, but I would be happy

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to, you know, give him
a rematch. He's a you know,

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a top fighter. And Kotsau said
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love to have a rematch. Uh, top ranked as a general rule,

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not always, but having covered their
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they are not big on immediate rematches. It's it's rare that you see that.

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It does happen once in a while. But I think this is one

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of those cases where if the thought
was we're gonna do Navarette going opt to

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fight Shakor coming off that performance he
had in the main event, combined with

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the draw that Never had had in
this fight with perhaps there the thought there's

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some unfinished business. I can see
them doing a rematch because it's not like

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there's some other huge fight out there
for Never at Day and now Never at

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Day concerts how takes on the life
of uh of a. I mean it

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could have been a main event on
its own the way that they schedule their

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shows, but now would clearly be
a main event. Uh. You know,

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they'll take the rest of the year
off, you know, enjoy their

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holidays or whatever, and you know
sometime, you know, I'll say,

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like March April ish, let's talk. You know, I could see them

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getting back and fighting each other again, because there's I don't think off that

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win or I'm sorry, off that
draw. I don't see uh that never

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atte going up to fight and scre
at lightweight, which has been in the

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pre fight that there was a lot
of discussion that that might be the next

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fight, or at the very least
maybe two fights down the road, that

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sometime in twenty four never At they
would rise and and fight U Shu kor

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assuming that they both were the the
winners are in this case the draw for

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for never At day and they would
fight next year. We should make mention

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of this Navarate since his only career
loss came in May of twenty twelve,

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had won thirty three consecutive fights.
Say what you want about competition. Before

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he got to the title fights,
he had won twelve world title fights in

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a row, and now he has
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He has that snap though with a
draw in this instance, and so

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I'm with you, maybe that is
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Yeah, I mean who It was
a terrifect fight, you know, they

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know they knocked them down a couple
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He landed his own shots. He
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fight. Even if never At they
was taking them very well. Never At,

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they hurt him to the body,
even without getting a knockdown. There

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were times where he had them hurt
and wobbled. Uh. There was just

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a lot of good drama and it's
just unfortunate that that the main event,

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uh, you know, was so
bad. Now, I don't think anybody

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with their in their right mind,
if they knew anything about these guys that

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were on this card, would have
looked at the lineup and said, you

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know that Naverette and Constat will be
a terrific fight, and that will be

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in a better main event. I
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they understand what they're getting. Wich
of course, Steven Stevenson a brilliant

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boxer, but not usually a very
boring boxer. That was the problem with

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what happened tonight. Very well on
all of that. Okay, so again

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you were right, we had.
We had recaps at the beginning. Now

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we go into the preview mode of
what's going to be happening on Saturday.

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That's what we do typically on this
podcast. So we're now ready to go

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into that preview mode and get some
news and some nostalgia again, some decent

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stuff, some good action, not
World Championship action, per se. Let's

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begin with the matchroom card Dezone that
is in Los Angeles. Diego Pacheco headlines

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that card in a super middleweight ten
round fight. I know we're very anxious

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to see what he can do with
Caserras, a veteran. Give me,

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give me a thought or two here
in the preview mode, Dan Rayfield,

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Well, it's kind of been a
little bit of a low key kind of

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promotion, not a lot of attention
on this. There's been so much stuff

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newsworthy going on this week, whether
it was the Thursday night ESPN card,

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whether it was the press conference that
took place for the big shows that are

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taking place later this year in the
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So this one kind of kind of
got gobbled up. But I'm here to

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tell you that Diego Piccheco is one
of my very favorite prospects in boxing,

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a tremendous young talent. He's really
starting to separate himself from the pack,

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from the guys who were in that
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of experience. He's only twenty two
years old, he's already nineteen and zero

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with sixteen knockouts. It's not so
much the record, it's the qualities that

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he has shown as he has improved
fight after fight after fight, really starting

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to come into his own. I
believe that twenty twenty four is going to

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be a pretty big year for this
kid. But he's taking on in my

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estimation, and I've seen i think
pretty much every one of his fights,

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because he's been with Matroom and been
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cards. He's gone on to the
main cards. Now he's in the main

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event. He fought overseas in a
recent fight in March in the UK,

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fought last fight in Mexico. Now
he's very pumped up because he's from Los

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Angeles, so it's his first main
event in his hometown. He's fought on

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undercards, you know, in the
La area. But anyway, he's taken

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on his best opponent. It's Marcelo
Cosras, who's not a world beater.

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He's not a top five or ten
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what he is as tough as freaking
nails. This is a guy who's battle

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tested. He's got some losses five
loss only been stopped one time, but

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not not like a shot fight or
anything like. This is a guy who

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was dangerous. He's probably the best
known for giving Edgar Berlanga back in October

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of twenty twenty one, the toughest
fight of his career, took him the

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ten round distance and he dropped Edgar
Berlanga was the only time Edgar got dropped

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in his career. That was the
fight in which early in the fight Edgar

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suffered a biceps injury that hampered him
for quite a while. He ended up

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having surgery. This, by the
way, was the undercard of the third

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fight between Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder. So you know, big crowd,

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a timobile arena, and a high
amount of exposure. So you know,

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he did lose that fight Cosaras,
but he's like I said, he's tough.

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He gave a very solid fight in
a in an eleventh round knockout loss,

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but in otherwise super close fight when
he challenged Billy Joe Saunders for the

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WBO title instant the supermittaweight division back
in twenty nineteen. So he's he's got

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experience and he's fought good guys,
and he's like I said, he's tough,

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got a good chin, fought the
undefeated guy that's been making a name

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for himself, in Canada, Eric
Bazinian, who's that people if they follow

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the cards that we see from Canada
on ESPN Plus, he's been on there

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several times. Just a solid guy. So for Pacheco this, I'm going

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to be impressed. I mean,
if if you win, he's supposed to

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win obviously, but it is somewhat
of a test for him. But if

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he can somehow get the knockout against
Cosas, that would be even more impressive.

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So it's it's like a big spot
for Patchick, great prospect, big

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things probably headed his way in twenty
twenty four, fighting a solid veteran world

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championship challenger in the past, good
Chin. He's fighting at home, a

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lot of pressure on him. I'm
anxious to see how he performs. I

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suspect he's going to do quite well, all right, So we're looking forward

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to that one. Again. That's
Saturday night, US time in our chronology

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for the Matchroom Design Show in Los
Angeles. Earlier in the day, We're

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going to take a look at a
couple of these fight cards and again we'll

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talk more and handicap them more as
well on the bet US TV show on

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their platforms on their YouTube channel one
Eastern time on Friday, the Saturday Queensberry

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Show and ESPN Plus card. The
fight we're going to be most interested in

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is Nick Ball and Isaac Dogbay,
a WBC featherweight title eliminator. Denzel Bentley

405
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:56,279
is in the main event, British
middleweight championship fight. That's the main event,

406
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but the co feature we're very intrigued
by as well. Dan, give

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00:25:59,599 --> 00:26:02,319
us a little bit more on this. Yeah, I think from the point

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of view of the Brits, maybe
that fights the bigger fight because of Bentley,

409
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,519
who we know, at least in
America, he had fought and got,

410
00:26:07,799 --> 00:26:11,720
you know, gave a decent performance
in a decision loss against Jenebec a

411
00:26:11,799 --> 00:26:15,440
fight that everybody figured Jennet would blow
him out in but he took them the

412
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,680
distance and had a couple of moments, you know, so good for good

413
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,559
for Denzel Bentley in that fight.
But in terms of what the world stage

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would look at the non Brits,
let's say, I think, like you

415
00:26:25,799 --> 00:26:29,880
mentioned, this fight between Nick Ball
and the Isaac Dogbay is certainly the let's

416
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,319
call it the bigger deal. It
is, for the record, is a

417
00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:38,720
WBC title elimination fight. The winner
of that fight will become will be number

418
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one. I mean, and they
just had their the WBC just had their

419
00:26:41,519 --> 00:26:45,480
convention, so obviously they're that's pending
the outcome in this fight. But it'll

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be a WBC featherweight elimination fight,
so the winner will be in mind to

421
00:26:48,759 --> 00:26:52,599
fight for that title. And look, it's it's an interesting matchup. I

422
00:26:52,599 --> 00:26:55,920
mean, you could call it a
crossroads fight. Nick Ball is an up

423
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,559
and coming fighter from the UK.
He's eighteen and though he's twenty six years

424
00:26:59,559 --> 00:27:03,039
old, eleven knockouts, you know, starting to come into his own.

425
00:27:03,559 --> 00:27:06,759
His biggest fight so far, and
he hasn't you know, he hasn't fought

426
00:27:06,839 --> 00:27:10,200
huge names. Probably his biggest name, I guess was Isaac Lowe, who

427
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,240
he defeated back in twenty twenty two. Isaac low has you know, been

428
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:19,079
on the fringes of the featherweight Contendership
top rankings, probably best known for being

429
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:23,680
like the good friend and close buddy
and training partner and assistant of Tyson Fury.

430
00:27:25,079 --> 00:27:27,640
You know, so he's gotten some
play out of that. But but

431
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,480
in his last fight when Nick Ball
was in the ring, this is back

432
00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:34,359
in May, and that was a
fight that was in the UK and he

433
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,680
fought, you know, I thought
a good fight. This is when Jose,

434
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,640
I'm sorry, when when Luis Alberta
Lopez fought against Michael Commin in a

435
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,960
featherweight title the fight title fight.
On the undercart of that fight, Nick

436
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:49,720
Ball scored a twelfth round knockout against
a fighter named Ludumo Lomati. And unfortunately

437
00:27:49,759 --> 00:27:52,599
Amati went into us. You know, he had a very serious brain injury.

438
00:27:52,599 --> 00:27:56,319
He was hospitalized, looked like he
might die. Thankfully he did not,

439
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,920
but still not out of the you
know, he's still got some problem.

440
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,680
And you know so I always question
when that happens. I mean,

441
00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:07,319
like I said, thankfully he survived. I'm not sure what his situation is

442
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,839
at this exact moment, but anytime
that happens, you wonder what's the mentality

443
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,680
of the fighter coming back sure from
having been the one to inflict such an

444
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,200
injury. Obviously not on purpose,
it's unfortunately that's part of the sport sometimes.

445
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,240
So he goes into the fight with
dog Bay high stakes. Like I

446
00:28:21,319 --> 00:28:23,400
mentioned, dog Bay, you know, is a known commodity. He's a

447
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:29,279
guy who in his last fight he
thought he won. He kind of made

448
00:28:29,319 --> 00:28:30,079
a big thing about it. I
don't, you know, I kind of

449
00:28:30,079 --> 00:28:33,480
disagree with that. He got wiped
out in my mind, and also,

450
00:28:33,519 --> 00:28:37,400
according to the judges, lost a
very lopsided decision to Robasi Ramirez that was

451
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,440
for the vacant WBO featherweight title,
So he's trying to bounce back from that.

452
00:28:41,519 --> 00:28:45,119
So he's coming off a loss.
Nick Ball's coming off the win,

453
00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:48,039
but that had a very unfortunate situation
that occurred in terms of his opponent.

454
00:28:49,319 --> 00:28:53,799
So it's kind of interesting from that
standpoint, like who's got something they maybe

455
00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:56,759
don't have some you know, something
to prove in terms of dog Bay nick

456
00:28:56,799 --> 00:29:00,319
Ball. Hopefully we'll see if he's
gun chy a little bit or he's still

457
00:29:00,359 --> 00:29:03,000
kind of come out guns blazing.
But it's like a you know, an

458
00:29:03,079 --> 00:29:04,400
up and coming guy, dog Bay, not that he's old, but he's

459
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,119
been around, He's got some losses, been a champion at one hundred and

460
00:29:07,119 --> 00:29:10,480
twenty two, hasn't been able to
kind of get over the hump at one

461
00:29:10,519 --> 00:29:14,680
hundred and twenty six. You know, had had suffered the loss in that

462
00:29:14,759 --> 00:29:18,720
barette when he lost his title.
Once some solid fights at featherweight, by

463
00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:21,119
the way, beat guys like you
know Adam Lopez and christ And Diaz and

464
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,680
Joey Gonzalaz, but then ran into
Robas Ramirez who was on another level.

465
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:29,039
We'll see how he can bounce back. So that's the co feature. But

466
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,079
in my opinion, and like you
said, from the standpoint of the world

467
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,759
boxing's seen the more important fight than
the main event. That's Denzel Bentley in

468
00:29:34,759 --> 00:29:37,519
the British title fight. So I'm
looking forward to seeing nick Ball against dog

469
00:29:37,559 --> 00:29:41,160
Bay because dog Bay is usually in
a pretty good fight. Nick Ball has

470
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:42,880
been impressive in the last several fights, some of which I've seen on these

471
00:29:44,119 --> 00:29:48,279
ESPN Plus undercards, so I'm looking
forward to seeing that one, all right.

472
00:29:48,319 --> 00:29:55,519
So also Saturday afternoon in Wolverhampton,
England, this is a junior welterweight

473
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,559
battle, very interesting. It is
the Boxer Show. It's on Sky Sports

474
00:30:00,079 --> 00:30:03,440
in the UK. It's on the
Peacock network here as part of their deal

475
00:30:03,519 --> 00:30:08,680
now Boxers deal with Peacock, NBC, Comcast all of that. Frank Petty

476
00:30:08,759 --> 00:30:15,680
John and Adam Azeem a twelve rounder
here. This one has some intrigue as

477
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,480
well. Will be handicapping this one
also on the bet Us Show. I

478
00:30:18,519 --> 00:30:22,039
can tell you in advance. This
is basically a fifty to fifty fight from

479
00:30:22,039 --> 00:30:25,720
the odds makers at bet us on
this give me a little more on this

480
00:30:26,119 --> 00:30:29,720
coming Saturday afternoon as well US time. I mean, it's all about Adam

481
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,839
Azin. I mean, he's the
hot shot, he's the undefeated fighter that's

482
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,680
on the very fast track from Boxer. To tell you how big of a

483
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,400
deal he is. Not only is
he signed a contract extension with Boxer,

484
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,599
but Sky Sports, which is the
broad broadcaster, signed him to a deal.

485
00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:45,240
They already have a deal with Boxer, but I guess he's now signed

486
00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:51,160
to Sky as well. You know, already has a fan following, dynamic

487
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:55,920
kind of fighter, big personality.
Growing fan base has been the main event,

488
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,359
you know, in like a seventh
fight. I mean a young guy,

489
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,400
he's only twenty one years old,
but a lot of the will think

490
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,480
he's one of the top young future
stars of British boxing and they're stepping them

491
00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:07,920
up big time. I mean,
for all the big knockouts he's had,

492
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,000
although he has gone the distance in
his last two fights against you know,

493
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,400
durable opponents, they're stepping them up
against Pettijohn, who's he's fighting Pettison for

494
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,599
the European title, which is not
a world title, but in terms of

495
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:23,039
over there, like there's the traditional
thing, you go British title, Commonwealth

496
00:31:23,079 --> 00:31:26,640
title, and then the European title. He's kind of skipped over that other

497
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,720
stuff. He's going right for the
European title, and the European title is

498
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,559
often a launching pad to fight for
a world title. Many many, you

499
00:31:33,559 --> 00:31:37,440
know, many, many dozens and
hundreds or whatever over the years of guys

500
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,839
who are for former European champions go
on and fight for and win major world

501
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:47,640
championships. So it's a big spot
for this kid, and it's it's if

502
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,039
he can get over this hump and
get that European title, he could be

503
00:31:49,079 --> 00:31:52,519
off to the races. But he
did go the distance, like you said,

504
00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:56,400
in the last two fights, Petijon, he's only been stopped one time,

505
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,799
even though he's got six losses.
You know, he's a south puff

506
00:31:59,799 --> 00:32:02,279
from France. Maybe he'll give him
a few wrinkles, a few problems.

507
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:07,759
But a Zeem seems to have something
special. I'm not quite sure what it

508
00:32:07,839 --> 00:32:09,799
is just yet, but I just
know when some of the fights I've seen

509
00:32:09,839 --> 00:32:13,920
has been very dynamic, although not
necessary and like I said, in the

510
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,440
last two fights it went the distance, but he's fighting one of those opponents

511
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:20,279
was undefeated. Both guys had some
experience. So I'm intrigued by this,

512
00:32:20,319 --> 00:32:25,359
and I'm absolutely thrilled that a boxer
and and and NBC Comcast worked out some

513
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:30,799
kind of rights agreement where these boxer
cards are now going to be featured on

514
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,720
Peacock streaming as well as as they
mentioned when they announced this deal, you

515
00:32:34,759 --> 00:32:38,000
know a month or so ago,
that select fights will also air on the

516
00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:44,000
NBC regular network. We'll see on
on on Saturday afternoon. So I'm looking

517
00:32:44,039 --> 00:32:45,880
forward to seeing Azeem if he can, you know, take that next step

518
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:51,920
in what seems to be a very
very fast tracked career. I know you

519
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,759
and I are not doing nostalgia right
now, but we're always nostalgic for the

520
00:32:53,759 --> 00:33:00,519
old fights on NBC with Marv Albert
and the Fight Doctor doing the world fights

521
00:33:00,519 --> 00:33:02,759
on NBC longer ago than either one
of us want to own up too.

522
00:33:04,319 --> 00:33:08,720
With the NBC relationship on net,
good stuff on the previews, news and

523
00:33:08,759 --> 00:33:15,559
as we released this podcast here into
Friday morning. Thursday saw the official announcement

524
00:33:16,039 --> 00:33:22,119
of Tyson Fury Alexander Usik sign deal. Yes, but now date is February

525
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:27,920
seventeenth and Riad Saudi Arabia. This
comes on the heels of the big announcement

526
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,599
Wednesday of the fight card that you
laid out beautifully on our recap podcast off

527
00:33:32,599 --> 00:33:37,599
the weekend with Anthony Joshua In.
One of the co main events Deontay Wilder

528
00:33:37,599 --> 00:33:39,559
and the other one the Inn a
bonanza of other fighters. So they had

529
00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:45,000
that press conference Wednesday, then Furick
and Usik talking about their fight on Thursday.

530
00:33:45,079 --> 00:33:47,079
All right, so give us the
lowdown. Now that the pressers have

531
00:33:47,119 --> 00:33:50,960
happened and we got dates, certain, this is time to get a little

532
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,119
excited here. I know we got
a long way to February seventeenth. It's

533
00:33:53,119 --> 00:33:57,559
going to be a little while,
but at least we have an official announcement

534
00:33:57,559 --> 00:34:00,559
and presser. Well. I watched
the press covers between Fury and Usik on

535
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,079
on Thursday, wrote a piece about
it for my substack. If anybody wants

536
00:34:05,079 --> 00:34:07,320
to go check that out at Dan
Rayfield dot substack dot com. There's the

537
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:12,880
plug Listen. We've wanted to see
this fight for a long time. We

538
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,480
thought it might happen last year.
Remember, well, it's backtrack to December

539
00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:20,199
last year. He had just wiped
out Did Fury had just wiped out Derek

540
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,079
Chasa. Usik was ringside. They
got into a little bit. He came

541
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:25,519
up on the ring Apron. We
thought the fight would happen. It was

542
00:34:25,519 --> 00:34:30,199
supposed to happen this past April for
the different reasons we have talked on the

543
00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:34,039
past, for terms of a rematch, all that business, it didn't come

544
00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:37,199
to pass. It did not happen. They thought they could do it in

545
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:38,480
Saudi Arabia back at that point,
it didn't happen. They were going to

546
00:34:38,559 --> 00:34:40,840
do it in the UK. I
guess the money was different. So they

547
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:45,039
ended up. Bottom line was it
didn't happen, and then of course you

548
00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:49,280
had Usik had to do his mandatory
against Duboi. Fury took the fight against

549
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,760
Francis Naganu. Husak came through his
fight with with Dubois, got the knockout.

550
00:34:53,079 --> 00:34:59,800
All that crazy controversy over the quasi
non low blow. He came through.

551
00:35:00,119 --> 00:35:04,400
And then what happened a couple of
weeks ago is Tyson Fury basically escaped

552
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,400
with the skin by the skin of
his teeth on a split decision win against

553
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:12,559
Maganu who was making his pro boxing
debut. They confronted each other again after

554
00:35:12,599 --> 00:35:15,400
that fight because Kazusik was also there, but it kind of wasn't as exciting

555
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:20,159
because we just watched, like the
Fury look so terrible and barely win,

556
00:35:20,679 --> 00:35:22,599
and you're like, how can you
be too pumped up when the guy that's

557
00:35:22,639 --> 00:35:27,519
supposed to be fighting for the undisputed
championship just barely they beat, you know,

558
00:35:27,559 --> 00:35:30,440
a novice boxer, even though he
was a great MNA fighter in Niganu.

559
00:35:31,199 --> 00:35:35,119
But now that they had and so
okay. So the fight was supposed

560
00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:38,599
to be on December twenty third,
but obviously because Tyson Fury got knocked down,

561
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:43,559
got a cut, got swelled up
by had a much much harder fight

562
00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:47,159
than anybody had ever imagined he would
get from Niganu, the December twenty third

563
00:35:47,159 --> 00:35:51,920
fight was just not realistic. Now
they're going to do this other heavyweight card

564
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:52,840
that we'll talk about in just a
minute on that date, and so they

565
00:35:53,440 --> 00:36:00,000
they moved the Fury and the Yusik
fight for the undisputed title to February seventh,

566
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,320
teeenth, also in Riadn. So
that's three huge Saudi shows in a

567
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:07,280
row basically, but in watching the
press conference, it was exciting again to

568
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,480
now see them not just face to
face like jawing at each other because they

569
00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:13,760
might fight or it's a long way
off, but now they have an actual

570
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,719
date, a fight is on for
undisputed. You know, two tremendous fighters,

571
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:22,199
both with different kinds of styles,
both undefeated, everything at stake.

572
00:36:22,519 --> 00:36:28,800
As Fury discussed at the press conference, Certainly anybody that's written or talked about

573
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,679
this knows there hasn't been an undisputed
heavyweight champion whatever you know. In the

574
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:37,920
last one was in the three belt
the era in nineteen ninety nine when Lenox

575
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:42,679
Lewis won the decision against Evander Holyfield
in their rematch, and post that time

576
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,719
period was the timing of the Klitchkosts, who at verious time for a long

577
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,840
time held all four belts combined,
but they were never going to fight each

578
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,880
other as best friends and brothers,
making promise to Mama that was never going

579
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:58,960
to fight. So we went a
long time without an undisputed champion before they

580
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,599
emerged, and then when they were
champions, they weren't they they weren't going

581
00:37:01,639 --> 00:37:06,199
to fight each other, and the
bottom line was there hasn't been an unisputed

582
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,960
champion since nineteen ninety nine, so, as they pointed out on today's press

583
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:14,599
conference, because in boxing there's never
too much hype and uh and uh and

584
00:37:14,599 --> 00:37:19,559
and you know, pointing out things
and making a spectacle of stuff. There

585
00:37:19,559 --> 00:37:22,159
hasn't been an undisputed champion this century, which I guess is true. That

586
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,639
is true. So and this is
also in the four belt here, so

587
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:30,239
it's even another belt to add into
that whole business. So it's a big

588
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:31,920
freaking deal. You know, let's
let's just say what it is and uh,

589
00:37:32,199 --> 00:37:35,360
hopefully it's going to be a good
fight. You know. Uh,

590
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,599
the stick of Tyson Fury to get
in the guy's fade and call them call

591
00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:42,719
him names, and you know,
call them like our Jack Rabbert and you

592
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,519
know, call them a sausage and
all that nonsense. That's getting a little

593
00:37:45,559 --> 00:37:49,199
tired and a little old, because
that's Fury stick and who sick is a

594
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,960
pretty uh when it comes to that
type of stuff. He's got a great

595
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,320
personality, but it's not the kind
of thing that comes through at press conferences.

596
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,039
Part of its language related. Even
though he does speak some English,

597
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,000
it's not obviously fluent you know,
he speaks in you in Ukrainian and has

598
00:38:01,039 --> 00:38:05,760
to be translated by his by his
people, usually his his promoter, Alex

599
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,159
Krasiak. So it kind of lost
a little bit there. But the one

600
00:38:08,199 --> 00:38:12,119
thing that that was interesting was when
they went for the for the head to

601
00:38:12,159 --> 00:38:15,280
head face off. In the photos, Tyson Fury like a ram didn't hit

602
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,840
him hard, but he put his
forehead right on Usik's fourhead, like touching

603
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,719
nose to nose, and you know
they had to be separated. So but

604
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,440
you could feel the tension if you're
watching. And uh, I mean,

605
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,920
it's a big deal fight and uh, the Saudis who are putting up the

606
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,159
money for it, have bought themselves
the you know, the biggest heavyweight fight

607
00:38:32,599 --> 00:38:37,400
out there, the most significant fight
in the sport in terms of championships and

608
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,280
everything. And uh, it's gonna
be a freaking spectacle. And uh,

609
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:45,079
you know they've got plenty of time
now. They kicked it off with this

610
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,400
news conference here in November. The
fight is not until February. They've got

611
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:51,280
plenty of time to promote it,
which you know they will. Uh it

612
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,119
looked, it looked impressive the way
they had the whole thing set up and

613
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,840
uh, you know, like uh, like everybody has been saying made the

614
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,199
best man win. But it's a
fascinating contrast styles, and I'm super interested

615
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,440
to see these guys finally set up. The only thing that I kind of

616
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,519
get irritated by is we all know
and this is what happens when we spend

617
00:39:08,559 --> 00:39:13,639
all this time going down the road
to get the undisputed You finally get to

618
00:39:13,679 --> 00:39:15,760
the promised land. Somebody stands in
the ring and holds all the belts up

619
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:20,199
and they are the undisputed champion of
the world. And then like four days

620
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,119
later, guys get stripped. And
that's what's going to happen here because they

621
00:39:22,119 --> 00:39:27,280
got a two fight, and the
winner of Fury and Husak almost no chance

622
00:39:27,679 --> 00:39:30,960
to fight the number one contender in
the IBF, which is next up with

623
00:39:30,119 --> 00:39:35,719
Krgovic, who has a very soft
touch on the twenty third, and you

624
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,599
know he's going to end up fighting
somebody else for the vacant title. So

625
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,079
we can enjoy it for a minute
and then we'll hopefully the next trek to

626
00:39:43,079 --> 00:39:46,000
getting a undisputed heavyweight champion will take
another twenty four years. Well, the

627
00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:52,320
intriguing thing would be if if it's
only and it probably won't be with what

628
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,960
you said. If it's only Hergovic, then whoever comes out of these two

629
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:59,360
fights can then fight Hergovic and be
undisputed again if that's the case. But

630
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:05,639
then there's another one because Usik again
just fought the WBA mandatory right with Dubois,

631
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:10,079
so then that would be what next
up WUBC because I don't even know

632
00:40:10,119 --> 00:40:15,239
how it goes, because Joshua and
Usik thought twice, so I don't know

633
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,239
how it would go. But there's
still maybe a possibility there could be a

634
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,920
four belt fight with one of the
guys that has one of the other belts.

635
00:40:21,159 --> 00:40:23,480
I'm not hopeful. I understand you're
not You're not optimistic. And then

636
00:40:23,559 --> 00:40:27,840
let me just say I'll just say
this real quick in passing this should have

637
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:34,320
happened earlier this calendar year. Tyson
Fury demanded everything, and then some like

638
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:38,320
like everything, and then Usik's firstborn
child trying to get the rematch clause.

639
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,280
And that's the reason why we've had
to wait this long. But the goodest

640
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,320
thing about that is that that was
when they were doing the fight in the

641
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:51,519
UK, and the financial parameters of
the event were much different now that it's

642
00:40:51,559 --> 00:40:54,320
taking place in Saudi Arabia, where
the money you know, to their credit.

643
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,679
You know again, you can love
their political situation or not, or

644
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,559
why they do this or how they
do. What the bottom line is is

645
00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:08,280
the money is essentially unlimited, and
they're not looking like normal promoters to put

646
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:12,039
on an event and go to their
bottom line and see can we make more

647
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:16,039
revenue than we lay out. It's
not about at least in the short term.

648
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:20,719
They're not worried about making a profit
for them. It's an advertisement.

649
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,480
I've said this a million times.
It's like you are you are a company

650
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:28,639
that sells widgets and you buy a
seven million dollars thirty second commercial on the

651
00:41:28,679 --> 00:41:32,840
Super Bowl. The folks in Saudi
Arabia are doing this as an advertisement to

652
00:41:34,039 --> 00:41:37,800
show the world you should come visit
our country of Saudi Arabia. We have

653
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:42,400
first class sports and entertainment to offer. We've got you know, resorts,

654
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,519
and we've got culture and food and
music and a great place to bring your

655
00:41:45,559 --> 00:41:51,320
people, your family come on a
vacation and put their country in front of

656
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,960
the world in a positive light.
That's what that's about. So the money

657
00:41:54,119 --> 00:42:00,880
is endless so they can overspend compared
to the normal market and bring these fights

658
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,079
to bear. And I mean it
might have been lost on some people,

659
00:42:02,559 --> 00:42:07,800
but they were talking about like doing
Bivel, who's on this December twenty third

660
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:13,079
card against Better Beev you know,
in the Kingdom next year. They were

661
00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:17,800
talking about doing other big fights as
well. So and there there's been so

662
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:24,280
many times people have come into boxing
flashing money and making big promises and not

663
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:30,199
necessarily delivering and they're gone in thirty
seconds. In my experience, that happened.

664
00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:32,679
That's happened many, many times.
Right, this one feels way way

665
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:39,880
different. And I say that because
a they already delivered multiple Joshua fights.

666
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:45,079
Between the rematch with the Ruiz and
the and one of the fights with Usik,

667
00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:50,239
they've already They've They've got the fight
that just occurred with Theory and Naganu

668
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,280
that was a spectacle of spectacles where
they brought in all these great champions and

669
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:59,159
just put on a huge event.
They've now had two press conferences to announce

670
00:42:59,199 --> 00:43:02,199
other events to third of December,
which they Mega heavyweight card this fight.

671
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:07,920
I mean, for the time being, the paradigm is changing in many respects

672
00:43:08,119 --> 00:43:14,679
because they brought together for the twenty
third card, twelve different promoters and the

673
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,920
people that run the you know,
Turkey Alashiki, who was the chairman of

674
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:22,360
the General Entertainment Authority of Saudi Arabia, who is the one that can you

675
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,559
know, decide what we're gonna have
and spend the money, basically told everybody,

676
00:43:25,639 --> 00:43:29,719
you know, you're gonna work with
us. You know, this is

677
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,440
how it's gonna be, and and
everybody shut up, and we're gonna do

678
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,239
business. I mean, he was
polite about it, but this is what

679
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,400
we're gonna do. And there was
so much money that all the promoters like,

680
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,719
okay, fine, we'll work together
because they're paying huge amounts of money.

681
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,880
And I looked at the signage for
the undercard or for the card on

682
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,199
the twenty third, and there was
like all these logos, whether it's you

683
00:43:46,199 --> 00:43:50,280
know, a million logos from all
these promotion companies. Yeah, that looked

684
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:54,840
like a NASCAR driver's uniform exactly.
You had top rank in Queensberry and Solida

685
00:43:54,960 --> 00:44:00,400
Promotions and Sees and you know,
gold Star, and I mean there's just

686
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:05,079
one promoter after another and they're all
there working together, and that's a good

687
00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:08,440
thing. For the sport, so
it's it's quite bespectacle. Now we're going

688
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:12,719
to talk a little about that twenty
third card because that briefly you laid it

689
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,199
out greatly for us. They had
the press conferences. What were you impressions

690
00:44:15,199 --> 00:44:19,400
from the press conferences there that had
Joshua, had Wilder, had all the

691
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,920
heavyweights and on and on, what
were your impressions there? Real quick well,

692
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,840
so in terms of the like in
terms of the Fury USIC one,

693
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,719
that was just the one fight,
so it was all about the two of

694
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,960
them. The press cards that they
had the previous day in London to announce

695
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:38,079
officially all of those eight fights that
we've talked about was even more impressive because

696
00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:40,719
most of them not everybody could make. It was done on short notice,

697
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,880
so not every participant was there,
but all the big guys were there,

698
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:51,039
the main the main fighters were there
and to see them all together. As

699
00:44:51,079 --> 00:44:54,159
I've said before, I get annoyed
when people in the in the in the

700
00:44:54,159 --> 00:44:59,840
PR departments of different promoters and promoters
themselves call their cards stacked when they're not.

701
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:02,400
And if you want to tell me
that this is a stacked card,

702
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:06,719
I'll agree with you about it.
Now is every single match like the most

703
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,599
competitive on paper, No, that
that'd be a lie, But there's a

704
00:45:09,639 --> 00:45:13,559
lot of good stuff on this show
and a lot of big names, and

705
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:16,079
so to see them all there together
was pretty cool. And I have to

706
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:19,440
say, even though they're not fighting
each other, and I know that's been

707
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,239
a bone of contention for a lot
of people, but Anthony Joshua and Deontay

708
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,519
Wilder were in the room together,
stood next to each other, had a

709
00:45:25,519 --> 00:45:28,880
photo taken too. I guess you
know where they were standing with each other.

710
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,239
They're fighting separate opponents, Joshua against
Out of Whaling, which is not

711
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:35,400
an easy fight, Deontay Wilder against
Joe Parker, which should be a heck

712
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,159
of a fight for as long as
it lasts. But they were asked about

713
00:45:38,199 --> 00:45:40,840
the prospect of fighting the other guy
if they're successful, and I like that

714
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,039
fact that both of them were like, yeah, we're gonna do it.

715
00:45:44,039 --> 00:45:47,079
And by the way, Turkey Alashiki
was saying, you know, if they

716
00:45:47,079 --> 00:45:50,880
win next year, we're doing that
fight. Like they're gonna buy that fight.

717
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,320
They're gonna have no doubt in my
mind that if they come through that

718
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:57,840
fight, and the Saudi's are gonna
gonna pay up and do that match.

719
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,519
You and I are not business tycoons. We just play them on podcasts and

720
00:46:01,559 --> 00:46:06,679
whatever. But you're not doing this
on the twenty third with them fighting separate

721
00:46:06,679 --> 00:46:10,000
people to not follow through and have
them fight each other in your deal in

722
00:46:10,039 --> 00:46:14,800
Saudi Arabia. The thing is we
as a friend of mine joke Stevie Wonder

723
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:16,719
can see it. We can all
see it, can we not my friend?

724
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:21,840
Usually in these cases that fight is
signed ahead of time, right,

725
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,760
But they're very confident because of what
they have in terms of the money that

726
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,440
they didn't need to get it signed
at the moment, and they're just going

727
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,960
to do the fight, and I
think that will happen. The one thing

728
00:46:30,039 --> 00:46:35,320
that did change from what I did
report previously was at the last minute there

729
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,159
was a change of opponent for Dmitri
Bevo instead of Richie Rivera, they elected

730
00:46:38,159 --> 00:46:42,000
to go with Lyndon Arthur. It's
kind of six and one half a dozen

731
00:46:42,039 --> 00:46:45,800
of the other And they also had
an opponent now for a Jai Obataia who

732
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:50,239
will defend the cruiserweight title on the
undercart. Eli Zorro, an undefeated fighter

733
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:54,320
from the UK. But it's just
you know a lot of great names,

734
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:59,239
and the guy that kind of stole
the show frankly at the press conference because

735
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,400
everybody was very to each other.
Joshua and and and Wilder didn't really get

736
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,039
into it at all, or their
opponents, you know, Auto Whalen or

737
00:47:06,039 --> 00:47:08,679
Parker with them, you know Hergovic
who's fighting Mark de More. That's the

738
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:13,000
probably the weakest fight, uh,
but the More still a good puncher.

739
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,719
He's one eleven fights in a row. He's probably best known for getting wiped

740
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,280
out by David Hey years ago.
But the guy that kind of stole the

741
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:21,840
show was Gerald Big Baby Miller,
who we don't have to detail all of

742
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,840
his past problems, but he's fighting
Daniel Duah and he's the one that living

743
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:28,039
things up because he started talking all
kinds of shit. And remember, not

744
00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:31,360
only was he talking about his opponent
Dua, but he was talking about Anthony

745
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:35,880
Joshua, who he was supposed to
fight a few years ago because of his

746
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,360
foul drug test to fight was canceled
and then Joshua ended up fighting Andy Ruis

747
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:42,360
and getting knocked out. So they
definitely had their back and forth, and

748
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,679
basically Jared Miller was calling out everybody, so he keep definitely living up the

749
00:47:45,679 --> 00:47:50,480
proceedings. But I'll just say this, if you like heavyweights, this card

750
00:47:50,519 --> 00:47:52,079
is definitely for you. And on
top of that, you got not only

751
00:47:52,159 --> 00:47:54,880
the hell the heavyweights, maybe not
a heavyweight championship fight, but you got

752
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:59,880
the cruiserweight champion and Opataiya. He
got Beeble defending the light you know,

753
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:02,440
is like heavyweight title. It's him
or better Viev. But I'll tell you

754
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:07,400
what. With BBO fighting on December
twenty third, and the reschedule fight between

755
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:10,920
Better v and Calm Smith taking place
in January, they're basically going to be

756
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:15,639
on the same schedule. It won't
shock me one iota that come if they

757
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:19,360
both are successful that sometime, you
know, let's say early summer, we're

758
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,519
going to see those two guys tee
it up for the undisputed title, let's

759
00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:24,119
hope. So all right, good
stuff quickly, a little more news than

760
00:48:24,159 --> 00:48:28,800
some nostalgic because we've been here and
been out of a while. Also,

761
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:34,280
Joshua Bououzi and Dan a Z's have
had their fight rescheduled. This was the

762
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,719
one that was to have happened,
what a couple of weeks ago and a

763
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,960
Z's had the injury. So tell
me more on what we've learned in the

764
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:43,679
timeline. Yeah, he was supposed
to fight this WB eliminator. This was

765
00:48:43,679 --> 00:48:46,559
to become the mandatory for Bevo.
Was originally supposed to be October twenty first

766
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:50,760
at the O two Arena. Was
supposed to actually be the main event that

767
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,280
was supposed to be the very first
of the boxer cards on Peacock. The

768
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:59,679
cards still went on, just with
a greatly reduced show was still on Peacock,

769
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:00,920
but didn't have the kind of buzz
or hype that it would have had

770
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:05,760
if it was this title eliminator.
So Gwatsi and a Ease there they've they're

771
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,679
buddies, but now it's real deal. They got to fight each other for

772
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:13,519
the championship opportunity. So they did
announce that that disease has recovered from his

773
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,960
whatever his minor back injury was.
They'll fight on February third. Instead of

774
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:22,039
that the two Arena, it will
take place at the Wimbley Arena. They

775
00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:25,760
say the reason was because of the
scheduling at the at the Big Arena where

776
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:29,559
they when they wanted to have it. But nonetheless, uh, they will

777
00:49:29,559 --> 00:49:31,599
have it. H on February third. They were going to do it on

778
00:49:31,639 --> 00:49:36,159
the same date as the Callum Smith
better be a fight, but they couldn't

779
00:49:36,199 --> 00:49:38,000
end up doing it like that because
of ease. It is trained by Buddy

780
00:49:38,079 --> 00:49:42,239
McGirt as is Callum Smith, and
so they couldn't. They didn't want to

781
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,199
have them have to decide like he
don't want to be without a trainer because

782
00:49:45,559 --> 00:49:47,760
that fight's been scheduled long time.
So Buddy was already committed to being with

783
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,559
Callum, all right, so fine, so they do it a February third.

784
00:49:50,599 --> 00:49:52,119
The arena doesn't make a difference to
me because I'll be watching it on

785
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:57,320
my screen on summer computer or television, and just a good matchup. I

786
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:01,000
mean it's their two to two,
two quality light heavyweight contenders, both undefeated

787
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:06,760
with big stakes, and I'm glad
they're getting I'm glad he's rescheduled. Okay,

788
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,440
so that's coming in February. One
more news item as well, and

789
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:15,840
that is Arnold Barbosa who signed on
with Golden Boy and he is going to

790
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:22,480
be in that Oscar I'm sorry,
the Ryan Garcia Oscar Duarte main event card

791
00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:28,000
December second. More about this real
quick on Barboza. Yeah, Barbosa is

792
00:50:28,039 --> 00:50:30,920
an undefeated fighter twenty. You know, he's been with Top Rank for many

793
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:35,360
years. His contract was up.
They couldn't come to an agreement on a

794
00:50:35,679 --> 00:50:40,039
new agreement, and Top Rank maintained
a first last In other words, he

795
00:50:40,159 --> 00:50:45,039
was allowed to go shop in his
services, but if somebody made him an

796
00:50:45,039 --> 00:50:47,000
offer, they had to bring that
offer a Top rank which had a matching

797
00:50:47,079 --> 00:50:51,199
right. So it took some time
to play out. Golden Boy made an

798
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,719
offer and they had to then take
that offer at a Top rank who then

799
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:59,360
declined to match that offer. And
that allowed Barbosa this week to sign with

800
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,119
Golden Boy Promotions. And he will
be like you said, on this undercard

801
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:07,519
of Ryan Garcia and Duarte that takes
place on December second at the Toyota Center

802
00:51:07,559 --> 00:51:09,840
in Houston. And you know,
he's a good contender. He's he's maybe

803
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:15,159
not the biggest name, but he's
got some solid wins. You know,

804
00:51:15,199 --> 00:51:20,239
he beat dan Alito Zaria much easier
than Regis Prograde did in their world title

805
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,280
fight. He has a win over
the former title challenger Alex Scedo, who

806
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:28,360
was an excellent fighter. I had
to retire because of a problem like one

807
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:32,719
of his MRI scans for his brain. He finished off Mike Alvarado was a

808
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,800
good name, but he was kind
of past his best days, but was

809
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,440
a tremendous exciting fighter in his peak. And anyway, it's a good signing

810
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:43,440
for Golden Boy. It puts him
in the position at one hundred and forty

811
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,280
pounds where Golden Boy's got some business
going on. They're doing the interim the

812
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:51,119
interim title fight between O'Hara, Davies
and and ishmel Barosso on this card.

813
00:51:51,119 --> 00:51:53,760
Obviously, Ryan Garcia is sort of
like the the rain Maker at one hundred

814
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,480
and forty given his star power,
even though he's not a world champion,

815
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,280
They're able to make deals with top
ranks, so makes sense even though he's

816
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,760
no longer with top rank, it
wouldn't be a total shak if they made

817
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:06,000
a deal from they get a bigger
fight on one of those cards against that

818
00:52:06,039 --> 00:52:09,639
whoever, Tafimo Lopez or you know
who. They've They kind of turned him

819
00:52:09,679 --> 00:52:13,239
down in the past, but you
know, you never know what happens in

820
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,360
the future. A good signing for
Golden Boy. In my opinion, Barbosa

821
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:22,360
is kind of an underrated guy all
right, some nostalgia here before we are

822
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,719
done. I keep saying this to
you, and I mean it because we

823
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:29,920
were contemporaries, were the same age. I do not want to accept that

824
00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:34,960
this was thirty nine years ago.
What was it thirty nine years ago?

825
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,199
Wednesday? What was the exact day? I know? I saw you put

826
00:52:37,519 --> 00:52:44,159
your memorabilia up on your social media
of the Olympic champions from the nineteen eighty

827
00:52:44,159 --> 00:52:46,880
four Los Angeles Summer Olympics all making
their debut, A lot of them making

828
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:51,360
their debut, not every one of
them. I do not want to thirty

829
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:55,440
nine years thirty nine years ago.
I remember watching that on ABC with those

830
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,599
fighters. Give me some more on
the nostalgia real quick. You did watch

831
00:52:59,639 --> 00:53:04,360
it on A and imagine today if
you had the Olympic team they all turn

832
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,239
pro. Now we've seen them turn
pro on cards together. The recent guys

833
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:13,159
from the Tokyo Olympics, many of
them had their pro debuts or early fights

834
00:53:13,199 --> 00:53:17,119
on top ranked cards all together.
I covered in the two thousand Olympic team.

835
00:53:17,159 --> 00:53:21,119
Most of them signed with the Bella
Entertainment. They were all on a

836
00:53:21,159 --> 00:53:24,920
card together at Madison Square Gardens Theater
with the top few fights being on HBO

837
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:29,840
Boxing after Dark. But this was
a much bigger deal because these guys were

838
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,559
televised throughout the Olympics. So some
of them already were I don't want to

839
00:53:32,559 --> 00:53:37,199
say household names, but were known
to the American public to the extent that

840
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,519
when they had this professional debut card
in nineteen eighty four, their pro debut

841
00:53:40,599 --> 00:53:45,840
is not only were on national television, they were on ABC in prime time

842
00:53:46,199 --> 00:53:51,920
in the main arena at Madison Square
Garden. And I'm talking about the fighters

843
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,039
that were signed to main events,
who were all managed by Blue Duva and

844
00:53:54,079 --> 00:53:59,280
Shelley Finkel. You're talking about three
guys that became Hall of Famers, A

845
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,760
Vander holy PERNL Whittaker, and Virgil
Hill. Virgil was not signed to main

846
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,800
events. He was the one guy, I think who didn't go on the

847
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:07,880
broadcast, but he was certainly on
the card and debuted. And then the

848
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,519
other three that were bigger names that
didn't go to the Hall of Fame,

849
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:15,760
where Mark Breeland who won titles as
a pro, Meldrick Taylor, who of

850
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,719
course became a star and became a
major world champion, had his classic fight

851
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,760
with Chavez, and the heavyweight Tyro
Biggs, who may not have won a

852
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,639
world title, but ended up fighting
most of the big names. He fought

853
00:54:24,679 --> 00:54:29,719
Mike Tyson for the heavyweight title,
you know, fought Lennox Lewis, and

854
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,760
so all of them had their professional
debuts on this card and that was the

855
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:37,880
start of a great era because particularly
in the case of holy Field and Whittaker

856
00:54:37,119 --> 00:54:40,719
and Meldrick, they became three of
the biggest stars of that time, and

857
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:44,559
to a lesser extent, Mark Brilin
who had a lot of fights on on

858
00:54:44,639 --> 00:54:47,400
showtime and you know, on the
networks. It was a big deal,

859
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:52,480
particularly ABC. They backed this team
and they had main events behind them,

860
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,840
which was a fledgling company at the
time. This is the thing that kind

861
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:58,920
of made them into a They had
done some bigger events, but this was

862
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,599
the this group guys that they signed
put them into the big time where they

863
00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:07,559
were now going to do huge shows. And also the management team of Finkel

864
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:12,119
and Lou Douva. Lou was also
the trainer. They all kind of shared

865
00:55:12,159 --> 00:55:15,519
trainers with, you know, as
him, you know, they were manager.

866
00:55:15,559 --> 00:55:16,679
Shelley kind of did the business.
Lou did the box and was with

867
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:20,880
the guys on a regular basis.
He was like a co trainer with Georgie

868
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,039
Benton. It was just and they
had like it was like a machine for

869
00:55:23,159 --> 00:55:28,159
years and this was what started that. It is interesting. I was just

870
00:55:28,159 --> 00:55:30,599
thinking of this when you were saying
that, and then we'll move on that.

871
00:55:30,679 --> 00:55:32,880
You had the seventy six Olympians,
that included the Spanks brothers, that

872
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:37,679
obviously included Sugar Ray Leonard. So
the build up of them turning pro and

873
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:43,000
becoming champions, that happened. But
remember the nineteen eighty Olympics, the United

874
00:55:43,039 --> 00:55:46,679
States boycotted, so those those Olympic
fighters obviously did not get to showcase,

875
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:51,400
did not get to win medals.
What is it? So this was the

876
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:55,440
next cycle of the guys, is
my point. And I've and by the

877
00:55:55,480 --> 00:56:00,199
rod thirty nine, I vividly remember
watching those fights at night because you were

878
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:05,559
so jazzed that you had seen Whittaker
and Taylor and Brelan and all of those

879
00:56:05,599 --> 00:56:09,519
guys fight a few months earlier as
amateurs and as gold medalists or medalists.

880
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:14,880
One of the reasons why that Olympic
team did so well. I want to

881
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,280
say they won like nine gold medals
or something like that, not to say

882
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:22,960
they wouldn't have won gold medals without
it. But the reality was the United

883
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:27,519
States had boycotted the eighty Games,
the Cubans and the Russians. The boycotted

884
00:56:27,519 --> 00:56:30,760
the eighty four times. But Evander
Holyfield and Prono Whittaker and Eldrick Taylor and

885
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:36,079
Mark Greenland and Virgil Hill and all
these guys won medals of varying colors.

886
00:56:36,519 --> 00:56:39,920
They were not competing against Russians,
so it's not a knocking them. I

887
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:43,280
mean, obviously a lot of these
guys went on to become the top level

888
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,800
pro, so good chance some of
them still would have won gold medals.

889
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,440
But you know, it's unfortunate they
couldn't compete against the full complement of the

890
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,320
best amateurs in the world, the
same way the Russians who won in nineteen

891
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:58,280
eighty did not compete against our guys. Two more pieces of nostalgia twenty nine

892
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:02,239
years ago tomorrow, as we released
they cast Saturday. Why God, am

893
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:05,519
I getting this old? I'm saying
it again. I had the pay per

894
00:57:05,599 --> 00:57:09,079
view at my house, Dan Rayfael
at my at my town home of Roy

895
00:57:09,199 --> 00:57:15,840
Jones and James Lights out Tony for
the IBF super Middleweight title. Give me

896
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:21,239
some more on this because Roy Jones
was brilliant that night. This was a

897
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,719
huge fight back and then this was
an HBO pay per view fight. If

898
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:28,199
I'd have known you, I'd invited
you over to the Reeves household for that.

899
00:57:28,639 --> 00:57:31,360
A pay perview at the Reeves house
very nice, uh, And look,

900
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:35,559
James was undefeated at the time.
He was the IBF super middleweight champion.

901
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:37,880
Roy Jones was the I was the
well, he had been the IBF

902
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:43,000
middleweight champion, which he won the
vacant title in a in a in a

903
00:57:43,039 --> 00:57:47,079
tremendous performance although boring his heck frankly
against Bernard Hopkins. But then he took

904
00:57:47,679 --> 00:57:52,559
uh three fights over the weight in
a row where he fought you know,

905
00:57:52,639 --> 00:57:54,880
not quite all the way one succeed
and he beat you know, decent opponents,

906
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:59,840
Sugar Boy Malinga, a couple other
guys. He then defended the title

907
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:01,960
against Thomas Tate, who was you
know, he got knocked out early in

908
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:05,800
that fight. And then the super
fight was made. They did the fight.

909
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:07,159
It was a big fight at the
MGM Grand. There was a lot

910
00:58:07,159 --> 00:58:10,719
of back and forth trash talk between
James, Tony and Roy. What fight

911
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:15,000
involving James. Tony didn't have a
lot of trash talk going into that fight.

912
00:58:15,039 --> 00:58:17,039
A lot of people thought James might
be number one pound for pound in

913
00:58:17,159 --> 00:58:22,760
boxing. And Roy Jones didn't just
beat him. Roy Jones whipped him every

914
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,679
which way from Sunday, I mean, he won a lopsided decision. Who

915
00:58:25,719 --> 00:58:30,639
was like eleven to one on one
scorecard, ten to two on one scorecard,

916
00:58:30,719 --> 00:58:32,719
nine to three, And that was
probably being generous to James. Roy

917
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:37,440
dropped him. Some people say,
well, you know, Tony didn't have

918
00:58:37,519 --> 00:58:39,440
his best night because he had so
much trouble making the weight. Well that

919
00:58:39,559 --> 00:58:44,519
was James, Tony small. Roy
Jones was impeccable that night and looked absolutely

920
00:58:44,519 --> 00:58:46,719
spectacular, and from that moment on, a lot of people thought Roy Jones

921
00:58:46,719 --> 00:58:51,360
was pound for pound number one in
the world. They did, you know,

922
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,639
pretty solid business considering it was their
first time as like big pay per

923
00:58:54,719 --> 00:58:59,440
view headliners. And you know,
James was the favorite going to that fight,

924
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,960
although slightly, and Roy Jones cleaned
his freaking clock. And so Roy

925
00:59:04,039 --> 00:59:07,199
Jones on the way down, I
mean on the way up rather has now

926
00:59:07,239 --> 00:59:09,800
scored big wins against Bernard Hopkins,
who went on to become a Hall of

927
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:14,480
Famer James Tony, who went on
to become a Hall of Famer, and

928
00:59:14,559 --> 00:59:17,039
the knockdown that Roy had, you
know, in round three, scored just

929
00:59:17,039 --> 00:59:21,000
a landed I mean one of those
devastating hooks that he had, and it

930
00:59:21,079 --> 00:59:24,000
was just a brilliant performance from I
can't even say in his prime Roy Jones.

931
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:25,480
I don't even think he was in
his prime. He was to say,

932
00:59:25,519 --> 00:59:30,159
young Roy Jones, who was just
absolutely untouchable. James Tony, you

933
00:59:30,239 --> 00:59:34,920
have to remember, had never been
man handled like that before, even in

934
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,320
fights where he didn't really look that
good, never been nan handled like that.

935
00:59:37,599 --> 00:59:43,119
He just whipped James Tony and Roy
was in shape. And Roy was

936
00:59:43,199 --> 00:59:46,960
just electric from all angles and difficult
to hit himself and had power, had

937
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:52,199
pop as well, and you're right
he was on the rise that night.

938
00:59:52,239 --> 00:59:54,480
I still remember. I remember two
or three different times they were on their

939
00:59:54,519 --> 00:59:58,599
feet in my living room in the
town Hall for that pay per view with

940
00:59:58,679 --> 01:00:01,320
Roy Jones and Lights twenty all right, one more piece of nostalgia and then

941
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:07,039
we're done, and that involves you
mentioned the Clitchgow Brothers and twenty seven years

942
01:00:07,039 --> 01:00:12,920
ago, as we released the podcast
Thursday Night into Friday twenty seven years ago,

943
01:00:13,119 --> 01:00:16,199
Thursday, November sixteenth, nineteen ninety
six, the clitch Goes made their

944
01:00:16,239 --> 01:00:22,079
pro debut as well, also you
know touted fighters coming into the pros.

945
01:00:22,159 --> 01:00:28,119
Vladimir had won the super heavyweight gold
medal in the Atlanta Olympics. His brother,

946
01:00:28,199 --> 01:00:31,280
Vitally older brother, had not competed
in the Olympics. He had a

947
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:36,519
we had a ped issue that kept
him out of some things later in his

948
01:00:36,599 --> 01:00:39,639
amateur days. Nonetheless, as professionals, they both would want to become dominating

949
01:00:39,679 --> 01:00:44,719
heavyweight champions. Never fought each other, as we detailed before, which is

950
01:00:44,719 --> 01:00:49,519
why we've went such a long way
between undisputed championship fights in the heavyweight division.

951
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,159
But yeah, they put you know, Universal Box Promotions, which at

952
01:00:52,159 --> 01:00:55,760
the time in the mid to late
nineties into the early two thousands, was

953
01:00:55,800 --> 01:01:02,119
the dominant promoter in Germany. Souryland
event was probably number two. But Peter

954
01:01:02,239 --> 01:01:06,360
Cole, who was the promoter behind
that company, they had a great television

955
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:10,480
deal and he signed both clitch Goos
and they made their debuts on the same

956
01:01:10,519 --> 01:01:15,280
card. Vladimir with a first round
knockout, Vitally with a second round knockout,

957
01:01:15,719 --> 01:01:19,599
and it was off to the races. They were built impeccably by the

958
01:01:19,679 --> 01:01:22,000
late great Haiti tal Muhammad, the
matchmaker, who was a dear friend of

959
01:01:22,039 --> 01:01:27,719
mine who died a few years ago. And listen to see these two guys

960
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,840
on the same show. You know, who knew you hope one of them

961
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:32,920
might go on to become a heavyweight
champion. But they both did, and

962
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:37,320
not only did they win titles,
but they did it multiple times and became

963
01:01:37,679 --> 01:01:43,280
the most dominating figures in the heavyweight
division for pretty much from the late nineties

964
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:47,960
into the mid two thousands. You
know, before Vitally retired. Now Vitally

965
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,719
had retired for about four years in
the middle there because of some injuries.

966
01:01:52,159 --> 01:01:54,960
Of course, when he came back, he showed up in a fight against

967
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:58,800
Samuel Peter and right out of the
gate, just blew him away in a

968
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:04,119
dominating performance and regain the WBC title. You know, Vladimir's history we've detailed

969
01:02:04,159 --> 01:02:07,440
up and down, but that second
title reign was as dominant as anything in

970
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:12,400
the history of the sport. Eighteen
consecutive defenses, didn't barely lose rounds during

971
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:15,199
that period of time. And you
know, but it all started on their

972
01:02:15,239 --> 01:02:20,119
pro debuts. How many years ago
TJ I'm sick to think on T seven.

973
01:02:20,559 --> 01:02:22,679
Good lord, are you trying to
make me feel old on the nostalgia

974
01:02:22,719 --> 01:02:25,679
with all I feel like I'm sixty
five. I'm not sixty five, but

975
01:02:25,719 --> 01:02:30,079
you're making me feel like I'm sixty
five years old on this pod. Think

976
01:02:30,079 --> 01:02:31,880
about everything that when they turn pro
these were just you know, two young

977
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:36,159
athletes trying to make their way in
the pros. Maybe they could become heavyweight

978
01:02:36,199 --> 01:02:38,800
champions. And now you fast forward, look where they are now. I

979
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:44,599
mean, ye have. Itali Klitsko
is a towering figure in European politics as

980
01:02:44,639 --> 01:02:49,039
the mayor of Kiev, you know, probably the second most known political figure

981
01:02:49,079 --> 01:02:52,199
in the country of Ukraine, you
know, at war with Russia, and

982
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:55,559
although his brother Vladimir does not hold
elected position, he is as close as

983
01:02:55,599 --> 01:03:00,480
an advisor to his brother as anybody
and is deeply involved in uh, in

984
01:03:00,159 --> 01:03:05,320
a lot of the public relations,
if you will, about what's happening over

985
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:07,920
there, and uh you know,
and I've said this before, these are

986
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:10,760
not men that had to stay there
and get in the middle of a war.

987
01:03:12,079 --> 01:03:15,119
They made nine figures in their careers. They could be sitting on a

988
01:03:15,119 --> 01:03:17,000
beach, sip in a margarite if
they want, you know. And Vitali's

989
01:03:17,119 --> 01:03:20,599
children, you know, or some. I don't know how many he's got

990
01:03:20,639 --> 01:03:22,840
exactly, but I know for a
fact that at least one of them is

991
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:24,840
born in America, and they lived
for several years, he and his wife

992
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:29,119
in Los Angeles. Vladimir's you know, spent many years living in the United

993
01:03:29,159 --> 01:03:31,400
States, had homes in in uh, in Florida, and in New York

994
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:35,719
City. But they they as I
said in my tweet when I put up

995
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:37,840
a picture of my program from their
pro debuts, which by the way,

996
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:40,920
still pisses me off that they didn't
put them on the cover even though there's

997
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:45,480
a nice stuff about them on the
interior. Uh. You know, when

998
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:50,480
they when they had their pro debuts, Never in a million years would you

999
01:03:50,519 --> 01:03:52,159
think this is where it would lead
to, uh, to what they have,

1000
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:55,559
what they ended up doing in their
lives and careers. Uh, it's

1001
01:03:55,639 --> 01:04:00,440
just it's just remarkable what these two
men accomplished and as I, as I

1002
01:04:00,519 --> 01:04:04,840
put on my Twitter post, not
only became great Hall of Fame heavyweight champions,

1003
01:04:05,119 --> 01:04:10,039
but they are better people than fighters. I know. You have tons

1004
01:04:10,079 --> 01:04:12,400
of respect for them and the world
has a lot of respect for them for

1005
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:15,119
what you just laid out with what's
going on with the Russian invasion and the

1006
01:04:15,119 --> 01:04:20,880
conflict that still marches on now a
year and a half in on that.

1007
01:04:23,239 --> 01:04:27,800
With that, one more thing,
just real quick, the anniversary of Lennox

1008
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Lewis's knockout of Hassim Rochman is also
Friday, from twenty two years ago.

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We're not going to go into any
depth on that because we've done that over

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and over again on the podcast.
I still put this out there and I

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made you smile before, and I
think it's the case somebody challenged this and

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come up with it. I don't
know of another time in the history of

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boxing, not in the heavyweight division, but I wonder if we can go

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all divisions where a fighter lost his
title on a one punch knockout loss and

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in the very next fight in the
rematch reg he gained it on a one

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punch knockout, like what Lennox Lewis
did. I again, I defer to

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you somebody come up with another one
where Lewis got bombed with one punch gone

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lost the heavyweight title, and then
in the very next fight in the rematch.

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It took a while for the rematch
at a year litter one punch bomb

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La. It was like six months
later or six months later, right,

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six months later, not a year
later. But I don't define. I

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can't think of another one. I
don't know. I just will tell you

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that I was ringside for that rematch
that we're talking about and watch Rockman get

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his head blocked and knocked off by
Lennox. And as I've said before,

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I like to brag him out.
My greatest pick of all time was picking

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Lennox Lewis to get knocked out by
Rockman in the first fight. And I

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won't say it too loudly, but
I also picked Rockman to win by a

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knockout in the rematch. And that's
why you are who you are, all

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right. We can end on that
great, great stuff on that. So

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there's a program again we began with
and and right fully so a while back,

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talking about how little action there was
in the Shaquur Stevenson main event.

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He does get the win, but
I think most will agree as Friday becomes

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this weekend and it's being talked about
that's a forgettable one for Shakour. Hopefully

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whatever was going on, he's better
next time out and again Navarrote consusl whell

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we see it again? I know
we talked a lot about that at the

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beginning of the show. Great stuff
with the news, the nostalgia. Hey,

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why don't we reconvene for the bet
US Boxing show one Eastern time?

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We'll talk about this matchroom Desonne card
in la with Diego Pacheco the main event.

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We're going to handicap that the other
fights that are in England, the

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two main events in Manchester and Wolverhampton, England. Why don't we do that

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coming up at one Eastern time and
then recap off the weekend as well as

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we always are prone to do.
Are we good, Dan Rayphield, We're

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good. I'll see them at that
US show. Let's do that. That's

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coming up later on Friday. Thank
you for finding us here on the Big

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Fight weekend preview as we preview going
into the weekend for Dan Raphael, I'm

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TJ. Reeves. We appreciate you
being with us.