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Hello everyone, Welcome back to a
brand new episode of the Poker Go Podcast.

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My name is Donny Peters. I
am joined by my man Tim Duckworth.

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How are you, sir? Doing
great? How about you? I'm

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good. Have you done your taxes
yet? Of course I have, come

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on, I have not, so
that makes us different. There are two

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different types of people in this world, those that do their taxes before the

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deadline and those who do not.
I want my refund, so I care

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about it. Give my refund.
I can do what I want with that

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money. The whole don't give me
started on the whole refund thing. It's

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a disaster. This country is a
disaster. But let's get into the poker

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stuff. On today's show, we're
going to talk about the PGTPLO series that

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just wrapped up. We'll also go
into the PGT leaderboard because there are some

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updates there. The World Series of
Poker announced it's Tournament of Champions for the

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w SP circuit, so we'll hit
on that because there's been a lot of

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pushback, i'll say, from people
on social media. We got to hit

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on the debut of the Savage Average. Hit took place recently at WPT Rolling

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thunder, so we got that.
An interesting prop bet came up between Robert

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Koon and Sean Deeb that is currently
underway. We'll hit on that. I

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want to know if Tim would be
able to do it himself. We got

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to touch on the US Poker Open, which is going to start in just

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a couple of days. I think
we should do a little fantasy something,

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Okay. I think we should do
fantasy for all our series. Okay.

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And then I guess we'll hit on
the Texas Poker Open, so why not.

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And then I'm sure we'll spin off
into a few different tangents along the

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way. As always, please like
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We have a special giveaway that we're working

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on. Tim has allotted the podcast
a set amount of dream passes. Now

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what those dream passes do there is
what we're calling the dream Seed Invitational.

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Likely in December, could also be
in January, not sure yet, but

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it'll be at the end of the
twenty twenty four PGT season. That Dream

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Seed Invitational will play out here inside
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Tim and I are right now,
and winners from that will go to the

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PGT Championship million dollar free role.
Okay, so it's kind of like a

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satellite, but it's a free roll. You can only get in if you

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have a dream pass. We are
going to be giving away a handful of

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those. I'll say, do you
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I mean, I think we've tentatively, you know, said six. Okay,

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maybe we'll play around with those numbers. We got to think of a

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good way. Again, you definitely
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All right. First things first,
PGTPLO series just wrapped up pretty good turnout.

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Overall. We were missing some faces, but we also got some new

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guys in the mix, so all
in all, I think it was a

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pretty good turnout from start to finish. You know, the the PLO guys,

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I think they've held up their end
of the bargain. The players,

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I mean better than the mix game
guys. That's what I'll say. That's

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my hot take coming out of it. So, mixed game guys, I'm

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looking at you. You're the ones
who pushed for us to have two mixed

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game series last season. You're the
ones who pushed for us to have it

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again this season. But the numbers
haven't been that great. I mean they've

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been good, but like not as
good as the first one. Right,

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Yeah, series has been holding a
little bit more steady. Right. I'm

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going to quickly run through the event
winners and then Tim and I can just

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kind of hit on more of them
as we go. There were ten events

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as part of the PGTPLO series.
Alan Lee won the first one one hundred

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and sixty one thousand dollars. Elis
Parsonen finished pro and Absolute Plo Crusher won

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the second event, which he defended
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He took home one hundred and thirty
one thousand dollars plus another thirty two

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five hundred dollars in bounties. Daniel
Negranu won event number three, continues his

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hot year one hundred and forty seven
thousand dollars for him winning event number three

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Sammy Sippola won event number four for
two hundred and forty thousand dollars. Ronald

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Kaiser, the Dutchman who now lives
out in la won event number five for

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eighty thousand dollars plus eighty thousand dollars
in bounties. That was a progressive bounty.

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Dylan Wiseman, when we talk about
the PGT leaderboard coming up, we're

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going to talk about him because he
is the top dog. Spoiler alert.

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He won at number six for just
under two hundred and thirty thousand dollars.

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Sammy Sipple up back in the Winter
circle for event number seven, took home

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one hundred and fifty nine thousand dollars
and then two hundred and thirty nine thousand

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dollars in bounties. Another PKO as
part of the series, another two time

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winner, Helis Parson and the Finns
just absolutely crushing PLO as is expected by

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I think everyone in poker. He
won at number eight, did Parson in

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three hundred and forty eight thousand,
six hundred dollars. There seth Davies his

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first ever PLO cash, which is
a wild to think about. He won

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the twenty five thousand dollars championship event. That was event number nine on the

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schedule, five hundred and twenty two
thousand dollars for him, and then James

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Calderero, who we don't see too
often in the studio, but happy to

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have the big show here. He
took home the final event of at number

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ten. He won just under fifty
seven thousand dollars for that. All right,

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what do you got for me?
Sa, I got a lot of

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stuff. I'm gonna start with Alan
lay Plo Crusha, the best Lee brother

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in poker. Yes, you heard
that right, Tommy Nam It's all about

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Allen le He's had thirteen PGT PLO
series cashes in I would say he's probably

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played twenty eight ish events. That's
pretty damn good. He's got that one

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victory. Also plays our mixed game
series, also plays the Arie high Rollers

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held in here, the PLO ones
you mentioned, Sammy. He won two

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hundred and thirty nine thousand in boundies, right, yeah, which is what

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two and a half times what he
won first place. He'd beat Jim.

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He beat Jim Callopy heads up,
Yes, Jim Callop. He won one

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bounty three thousand dollars. So the
thing of that swing it was an early

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like it was an early bounty or
somebody hadn't busted anyone else. Yeah,

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so think about that swing where he
could have potentially swung another, you know,

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one hundred and something thousand dollars.
That's pretty crazy. Sat Col though

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the Big Show and then ten he
doubled I think ninety six times heads up

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against Alan Lee to win that.
That my little anomalies from the PGTP loosers.

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Yeah, so of course we always
do a series leaderboard for all of

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our series. The winner of this
one was Sammy Cippola. Kind of a

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little bit of a breakout. I
mean, I mean, if you follow

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the high stakes scene, specifically leaning
towards Polam and Omaha, you likely know

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who Sammy Cippola is. But a
little bit of a kind of lataral Guera

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esque breakout in terms of like he's
a straight plo player, comes here,

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does extremely well. He had those
two victories, he had four cashes overall.

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He also finished second to Seth Davies
in the twenty five thousand dollars Championship

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event, taking home a good chunk
of change there when you include the bounties

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that Cipolo won in the event number
seven victory that he had. Then he

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cashed for more than a million dollars
at this series, so really really,

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really awesome showing out from Cippola.
He came over with Elos Parson and Jones

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Cronwitter. You know that grew uh
Mickey Duek boy in that group. Yeah,

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the boys, well, Yanni,
Yanni, you can mine and I

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believe had a child, so he
was out. He was you know,

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they had to send him to the
bed a child a month ago. Well

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whatever, it doesn't matter. They
had to send him to the bench and

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they said, Sammy, let's go. You're in. You're in the game

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the better PLO players, I mean
clearly because he just came out on top.

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So yeah, Cipolo came out on
top of the leaderboard, gets a

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ten thousand dollars PGT passport as a
bonus prize, Elis Parson and got second

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on the leaderboard. So the Fins
just as it taking all that money and

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gone Beckerson as as expected, as
expected for sure. I did speak to

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Sammy after he had finished second.
Him and Seth was sitting at the bar

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chatting a little bit, and I
was kind of informing tell me about the

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passport, and he he asked,
you know how I can use I said,

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you know, we're gonna do another
PLO series in October, you know

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probably then if you can come,
possibly another one hundred k. I said

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the one hundred k and his eyes
lit up. So I'm like, okay,

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let's lock him in for that.
I did tell him about the World

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Series and how we have you know, plethora. I'll pay a lot of

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high role is in this very room. And he said that he might not

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be coming for the World Series.
So if you're out there, you know,

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trying to put him on your draft
team, on the ADB team,

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he might not becoming he's having a
baby. He's gonna be put on the

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bench with Yoni to have a shot. So he may come for a little

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bit of the World Series. He
said, he's not really sure. He's

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gonna, you know, obviously talk
to his partner about that and figure out

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the logistics. Yeah. I mean, overall, again, I think it

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was a good series, really good
turnout. A lot of the regulars here.

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You know, we even got josh
Ari, who is you know,

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just got married over the weekend and
is probably on some honeymoon in some you

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know, luxurious, lavish place,
probably some really hot weather Caribbean destination,

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who he knows, but he did
come out for for a chunk of it.

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It was really well. I finished
second to Ronald in that the PKO

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so well, yeah, he might
he blew that heads of believe. I

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mean, he had just such a
lead he did to play. And not

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not that Ronald's a bad player.
Ronald's a very very very good hero player.

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And you know, but he he
just had Josh had such a lead

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and just could He did leave very
angry. I did notice that. Yeah,

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I mean I think I think that
one was like it was there for

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the taking for sure, loss of
any play. Yeah. So but ef

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at number six winner, we got
to touch on him as we transition over

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into our next topic, that is
Dylan Wiseman. So he won e at

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number six at the PGT PLO series
for what was his third victory of the

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twenty twenty four PGT season. All
of Wiseman's success throughout the PGTPLO series allowed

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him to move into first place on
the PGT lead aboard. I'm going to

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quickly run through the top five.
We got Dylan Wiseman up on top one.

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Thousand and forty seven points. David
Coleman has nine hundred and thirty seven

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points. Notably, he's been on
nine thirty seven for quite a while now.

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He did play a couple of events. Yeah for sure. I'm just

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saying he just hasn't really had the
results. Sammy Sippolo, with all his

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success from the PGTPLO series, has
moved into third place with seven hundred and

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forty nine point points. Daniel Legranu
leap frogged a couple people to get up

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into fourth place. He's got seven
hundred and sixteen points, and then Kristen

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Foxen has six hundred and sixty six
points and she rounds out the top five.

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So Dylan Wiseman notably takes over the
top spot. He's the first player

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to get more than a thousand points
over the course of the season. He's

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the first player to win more than
one million dollars from PGT events this season.

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Now, Sammy Cippola, if you
include the bouncing money that he won

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from the PLO series, also has
eclipsed one million dollars. We don't technically

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count the bounty money as prize pool
money, but Wiseman still got their first

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so that doesn't matter. Wiseman has
three wins and nine cases on the season.

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Those nine cashes, he's tied for
the most with Daniel Legrandu. Those

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three wins, he's tied for the
most with David Coleman. So, Dylan

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Wiseman, you know, he is
known most as a PLO player, but

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did extremely well during the Mixed Game
series. Joked coming into the PLO series

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that he's now a Mixed games pro
and a PLO recreational player. Right now,

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I'm guessing he's going to be a
no limit recreational player or no limit

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pro for USPO. I mean be
he can obviously play USPO or played no

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limital right, I'm guessing because of
how well he's done this season, his

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positioning on the leaderboard, he's going
to for sure play at least the opening

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group of events at the USPO,
So the five K, the ten k's

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whatever, you know, and then
probably go I'll see how I go from

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their type of thing, and that'll
be his approach. But uh, but

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yeah, what do you offer me
on the leaderboard? Move over, Sean

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Dabe, because Dylan Wiseman is the
best all round poker player in the world.

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Oh, my god, no limit
hold him victories, mixed game victories,

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PLO victories. Sean Daep's sitting over
there and you know, New York

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wherever. He is sitting on his
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a salad. He's lost his touch. All he does. He's played the

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World Series. He can only handle
these soft World series of poker fields.

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He can't come in here, he
can't compete with the best. The best

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players in the world play here in
the studio. Sean deeb, you were

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not one of the best players in
the world, and I don't think he

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will be ever again. Well well, I mean that's just an idiotic I

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know you had laid on thick there, but I mean, come on,

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I'm back. I'm back with my
takes. Jylan Wiseman is, of course

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an extremely well rounded poker player,
and I think he's he's showcasing that,

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you know, more in these recent
months, the recent year, so,

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you know, showing out in the
mixed game stuff. He knows his limitations

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too, because he has said,
you know, like I don't think I

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can beat the you know, in
the higher mind. No limits. He

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doesn't feel like he has any edge. He feels like he's you know,

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obviously a weak spot, but he's
admitted, I'm running hot. Things are

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going my way. I'm gonna take
some more risks I normally would, and

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you know it's paid off in events
that are not his his forte which is

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mixing no Limit. But yeah,
he's getting it done. CODs are following

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his way, and it shows a
thousand and forty seven PGT points and he's

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hottest start to this to the season, he could possibly yeah, and given

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everything that that's coming up, you
know, USPO, of course I would.

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I would expect him to play at
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USPO and then again he'll he'll see
how he goes from there. Not sure

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if he's going to head down to
Texas or not for the Texas Poker Open,

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but you know, obviously wait to
see there. Of course, the

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summer is going to be huge for
Dylan Weiseman. There is a lot of

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PO events on the Wissity schedule.
Of course, he'll be in every single

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one of those, from the one
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he'll be in there. He'll probably
fire a lot of the mixed game

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stuff, especially if he does continue
to run hot, right, He'll he'll

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certainly be in there. You know. Even if if Dylan thinks that he

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might be not as good as some
of the best players in the world in

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terms of like Nolamit hold him and
the mixed game stuff, you know,

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but he obviously excels in PLO.
He's the type of poker mind that I

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think can figure it out right,
and and the edge is not that great

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between those players, right, so
I think he can do just fine overall.

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So so I would I would hope
that he fires a lot across the

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world series of pograms right now,
give me a price twenty five K fantasy

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Dylan last month. I mean I
would need to know his volume. You're

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just a lady's volume thirty dollars.
Yeah, but like, but I'm outlining

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his volume from a Dylan Wiseman poker
playing perspective versus a ws P twenty five

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K perspective. Yeah, the pint, you know, so so yeah,

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whatever the price is, it's got
to be more the Sean da Let's move

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on. No, there's no shot. Also, in regards to Dylan Wiseman,

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you touched on it earlier, there
are nine PGTPOO events this year at

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the Studio. Okay, so there's
that. There's also five NOL and hold

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him events, but but yeah,
I mean Dylan Wiseman will have a lot

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of stuff to play during the summer, you know, if he thinks he

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can basically get his fix across I
don't know, ten to fifteen, maybe

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fifteen to twenty World Series of Poker
events and then have those nine PGTPO events.

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There's also going to be some PO
events. I believe it's part of

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the Wins schedule. So there's there's
a good amount of stuff that that I

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think can can keep Dylan Wiseman satisfied, which which makes me a little bit

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more cautious than maybe I would be
regarding his twenty five K fantasy price,

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just because if he's if he's not
going to be going like one all in

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on on WSFP only stuff and he's
going to be venturing elsewhere, then then

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maybe I tick him down five to
eight dollars or something like that and we

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go from there. But I think
overall he's going to be a pretty good

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bye. We had him on our
team two years ago, I think the

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first year at the at the Horseshoe. He got COVID halfway through the world

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procus, so you know, what
are you going to do there? But

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yeah, I mean, but it's
also like it's one of those things where

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he's he's known. Now, he
gets drafted. Look up what he got

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drafted for last year, and we
I think we got him two years ago

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for kind of cheap. I think
he went up in price last year if

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I remember correctly, although I could
be wrong on that. And then this

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year, especially if he continues to
run hot, if people continue to talk

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about him, if he continues to
do winter photos with with his fiance standing

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on his shoulders, then six dollars
last year, Okay, we got already

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six dollars. Look at that ten
cash. He'll go for twenty to twenty

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five this year, I think would
be would be my guess. I think

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he's probably worth it if he can
give you fifteen to twenty, like that's

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the floor for WSP events. I
think that's that's probably all right. I

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mean, he's just that type of
good, especially in the plo stuff.

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So yeah, all right, So
that's the PGT leaderboard. Again. We

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have Dylan Wiseman on top with more
than a thousand points. He's the only

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player up above one thousand points.
We have David Coleman, Sammy Sippola,

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Daniel Legroanio, and Kristen Fox and
rounding out the top five. All right,

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WSP announces that the WSP Circuit Tournament
of Champions is going to be at

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the Commerce Casino in La So,
this entire circuit stop is going to run

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May tenth through twenty fourth. The
series is going to have one point seventy

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five million dollars in guarantees. I
think the main event is a million dollar

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guarantee. And then the series also
includes the WSP Circuit Tourna of Champions which

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takes place May twenty second to the
twenty fourth. And then that has a

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separate million dollar free roll prize school
attached to it which includes like all ring

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winners braced the winners of like the
recent year, basically the recent season of

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the circuit. So so yeah,
now a couple things here. It gets

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announced. First, the WASP announces
the ws AP schedule. Within that press

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release, they say that they're going
to announce the Tournament of Champions because the

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Tournament Champions was not included on the
schedule, and it has been in recent

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years. You know it has been
held elsewhere, which I think Chad Hollowy

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did a good job of pointing out, because people have really revision is history

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where they're like, it's always been
in Vegas. We'll know it hasn't been,

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okay, So first of all,
let's just stop there. It's been

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in Vegas recently, yes, okay, but it hasn't always been there.

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So let's just you know, put
that out there now. They did say

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in the press release with the schedule
that it will be announced I believe they

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said March fifteenth, yes, and
they didn't announce it on March fifteenth.

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There was some people that are like, hey, where is this week goes

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by? Two weeks go by.
They finally announced, Okay, and it's

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in La at Commerce Casino. So
the beautiful Commerce casino. Listen. I

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love the grungey Commerce casinos, the
big Poker Pit. I like it.

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I like like it because it's like
grungy, and I'm like, yeah,

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this is like, this is it. This is where I go grind,

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Like, yeah, grind, grunge. Let's go La like people getting pissed

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off yelling at you, like,
let's go seventy thousand things on the menu.

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To eat, you know, like
I'm in so a lot of people

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mostly like the you know, the
way circuit crowd, and there's a lot

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of those people that frequent those events. There's a lot of ring winners,

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there's a lot of people kind of
chasing this all that sort of stuff.

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They took issue with the fact that
one the announcement was late. Then the

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announcement was late, and a lot
of people pointed to a press release from

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last year when the World Series of
Poker said that it would return to Vegas

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this year. Yeah, so that
was an issue. People are just saying,

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you know, generally it's just easier
to have it in Vegas during the

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World Series of Poker. I think
I would agree on that. Yes,

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there's also the California tax situation where
I believe it's if you're not from California

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and you cash, you're like slapped
with an instant like seven percent tax and

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you can try and get that back, but it takes a while takes back,

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Like, yeah, it takes a
while. It could be like multiple

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tax Yeah, I mean that's just
that's that's why, like, you know,

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we've at the PGT, I've talked
about let's you know, why don't

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we try and go somewhere to California, Like we're always like, well,

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taxes, like people like people have
gotten hip to the tax thing now and

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they're like whatever, I'm not gonna
bother with the California events. So so

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that's the sort I think in Hyde
roll is it's more of an issue because

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of the ROI yeah, so so
yeah, I don't know what are your

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thoughts on this overall? Where do
you where would you put it? Where

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do you think it would be?
Vegas? Baby? Come, Okay,

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let's say let's say here's here's on
the schedule that you mean. Listen,

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it can't be it can't be apples
to apples because I don't think it is,

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although I don't know, but I'm
assuming it's not. So let's say

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Commerce Casino is offering you five hundred
k, or you can do it in

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Vegas, but it's on your own
time. But I'm still doing Vegas.

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Yeah, I'm just I'm just wondering, like, at what point is it

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like, is that number two million? Is that number five million? Is

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that number a million? Is that? You know what I mean? Like,

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at some point it makes sense to
take the money. Yeah, I

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mean if they're adding a million to
the prize pool, it would be it

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would it would I think it would
convince people. If you said we're going

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to come us, it's not a
million dollar free roll, it's a two

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million dollar free roll. I think
you're more likely to buy some like Goodwill

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and more likely players will come.
My biggest issue is obviously the late announcement.

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Like, let's put aside the even
though they said it in Vegas,

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they already made this decision. They
should have been released simultaneously with the WSP

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schedule. Now I know there's probably
contracts, I'll say that it should have

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been released. It should be released
when they announced the WSP circuit schedule.

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Yeah, they don't. They don't
announce like the events at every single stop,

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but they say these are the stops, and then the last stop is

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this, and this includes the Tournament
of Champions. Now, maybe that's in

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Vegas, maybe that's commerce, maybe
that's somewhere else in the world. Oh

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who knows, right, But like, that's how I think you would want

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to do it because I think,
again going back to that original announcement that

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people pointed to when they they all
they said was it was going to be

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in Vegas during during the doubsit,
so people had like, Okay, well,

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if I like chase a little bit
here and there, I'm always gonna

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end up in Vegas. Now people
are like, wait, now I got

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to go to La Yeah, Like
that's kind of frustrating for a lot of

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people. It is frustrating, But
if they had had some more time,

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because I feel like once the WSP
schedules out, a lot of people are

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planning that series. They're also so
booking flights, planning accommodations and stuff.

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you can figure it out. If
you're coming from New York, or

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you're driving from Florida, or you're
flying in from wherever because you want to

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bracelet. Now you have to come
in a week early to play the TOC

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in another city, so you have
to either spend some money on changing your

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flights or book another flight and more
accommodation. That's more of an issue to

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me than the tax, because I
think it's a free roll. Whatever you

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win money away, it's kind of
a double tax. You're not getting taxed

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on having to go somewhere pay extra
money flight, accommodation, you know,

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all that sort of stuff. It's
not I it's not that cheap to stay

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in California. Yeah, that thing
to me, brothers me in more what

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bothers me? And I'm you know, I'm going to I guess be picking

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a fold at WSP is that they
they made an announcement saying who was qualified,

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and it excluded the twenty twenty three
WSB Bracelet winners. Now then they

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release the list of players and they
keep updating it. I don't understand why

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it can't just be updated when they
can't be one hundred percent accurate when they

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make this announcement, like, I
don't to me, I don't think it's

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that hard. And then they decided
to add the WSB Bracelet winners. So

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it was it a you forgot that
they were supposed to be part of it

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in the press release and now you're
adding them, or you felt bad so

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now you're adding them. Either way, I think, like, you know,

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if you're trying to plan a release
or a press release on something as

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big as this, you should have
all your eyes doted or your teas crusts.

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That list should be one hundred percent
accurate up to that point. I

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don't think it's that difficult. With
the data that's out there and you are

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the WSP, you can keep track
of these results. So that to me

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left. We saw it here in
person in the studio. We saw people

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that had qualified but that weren't on
the list. They were pissed, like

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wow, so I don't get to
go so like and then they get added

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and they're like, Okay, now
I'm fine, but you leave this bad

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taste in people's mouth. Even though
it gets resolved, they're just like,

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it's just like a shitty kind of
situation. So that kind of bothers me

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the really the most. Actually,
yeah, I guess I got to say

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that. I think I was wrong
because didn't I say that this would be

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the hundredth bracelet event on the podcast? You flowed the idea that that would

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add this to the schedule as the
hundredth of bracelet. Technically it's is there

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still a bracelet? It is a
bracelet. And if we go on previous

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instances where WSP added an event to
the series midway a couple of years ago,

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maybe the second last Rio one,
it became the last event number,

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00:27:40.279 --> 00:27:44.759
but it was in the middle so
technically this should kind of be a event.

405
00:27:45.319 --> 00:27:49.920
Does this count as like a bracelet
or like the I'm saying in terms

406
00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:52.839
of like getting us to a hundred, Like, I don't think I would

407
00:27:52.880 --> 00:27:56.279
classify this as a hundred even though
it's negative one. I don't think so

408
00:27:56.640 --> 00:28:00.279
it is it's a hundred bracelet.
So yeah, I mean that's it's it's

409
00:28:00.279 --> 00:28:06.160
really interesting to see the pushback.
Now, Is anything going to happen?

410
00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:08.039
I mean, it's not like we
haven't seen this sort of stuff before where

411
00:28:10.079 --> 00:28:14.039
the playing community gets mad at something. You know, they're all up in

412
00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:17.559
arms on social media, they're voicing
their complaints, et cetera. But are

413
00:28:17.559 --> 00:28:18.480
they all just going to show up
at the end of the day. I

414
00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:21.720
think so. So oh, they
might skip the first ball. Like I

415
00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:25.640
would say that it's hard because it's
hard because listen the other side of this

416
00:28:25.839 --> 00:28:29.759
argument, and you know, I
think it's worth mentioning because there are always

417
00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:32.920
two sides of an argument. Is
end of the day, they're giving a

418
00:28:32.920 --> 00:28:37.200
million dollar free role. I mean
yeah, Like you know, it's like

419
00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:42.160
that's still a lot of money that's
up for grabs, and I know they

420
00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:47.400
might have like lessened, like what
the buying equivalency is in recent years and

421
00:28:47.720 --> 00:28:52.480
whatever, like, but still,
I mean it's a million dollar free roll.

422
00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:56.680
Yeah, and I think I wouldttach
another part of that argument in that

423
00:28:57.160 --> 00:29:00.880
if you are playing, if you
are planning to play in the million dollar

424
00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:04.960
free Real Tournament Champions, then I
would think that you would also go out

425
00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:08.000
for a part of the series.
I mean, they have a I think

426
00:29:08.039 --> 00:29:11.240
it's a six hundred dollars they're calling
it the house forming event. That's an

427
00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:15.920
opener, five hundred k guarantee.
You have the main event that's I think

428
00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:21.440
it's seventeen hundred dollars buying, which
is always their main event million dollar guarantee.

429
00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:26.319
So you know, there's gonna be
some good value from some people out

430
00:29:26.359 --> 00:29:29.279
in LA because there are a lot
of tournament players that are out there.

431
00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:33.920
So if you're on the better side
of a pro poker player or even like

432
00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:36.799
a very serious recreational who's very good, like, I think you can still

433
00:29:36.799 --> 00:29:40.839
go value hunting out there overall.
So I don't think it's like the worst

434
00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:44.559
situation in the world. But yeah, if it was my choice, it

435
00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:47.680
just would have been in Vegas because
one, I mean I always try and

436
00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:52.559
come at things, maybe to my
detriment at times, but like pr branding,

437
00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:56.200
marketing first, I mean that it
puts the best eyeballs on it to

438
00:29:56.279 --> 00:30:00.000
have it as part of the World
Series of Poker, right, Yeah,

439
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:02.640
Like I feel like that's where you
want to do it, and you want

440
00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:04.359
to like you come to us as
the production team and say, hey,

441
00:30:04.519 --> 00:30:07.160
this is something we want streamed for
sure, like this is something we want

442
00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:11.279
to highlight, like or let's kick
off the world series with it, you

443
00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:14.680
know, because if it's not going
to include the bracelet winners from this upcoming

444
00:30:14.720 --> 00:30:17.119
summer, well then you just kick
it off right at the beginning. Yeah,

445
00:30:17.160 --> 00:30:18.559
you know that sort of thing.
I have an idea that I could

446
00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:22.480
almost have it be. You could
have it in a way like the opening

447
00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:26.960
week could kind of be like Champion
Celebration week because you have the Champions of

448
00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:29.200
the Union, you got the Tournament
of Champions, like you know, boom

449
00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:33.640
boom, like everything kind of in
that opening weekend or whatever. I have

450
00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:36.599
an idea like, obviously I don't
know how the money works, and I'm

451
00:30:36.599 --> 00:30:40.079
assuming they take you know, there's
a portion of the RAKE that is set

452
00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:42.799
aside for the TC, but I
think it would be cool if it wasn't

453
00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:47.279
a million dollar free roll, it
was like a fluctuating number. So what

454
00:30:47.319 --> 00:30:51.920
I mean is as the circuit grows
and you have entries and you're pulling money

455
00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:55.160
from each entry, the free roll
starts building. So this start of the

456
00:30:55.160 --> 00:30:57.279
season, the free rolls zero dollars, right, you guarantee a minimum a

457
00:30:57.279 --> 00:31:00.400
million. But then there's a world
where if the circuit is popular, and

458
00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:04.319
that should be the goal if you're
running the WSB circuit, that you want

459
00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:08.240
ear on your increase in numbers.
In atten DAEs that the freeroll could be

460
00:31:08.279 --> 00:31:11.920
one point one three six million,
right, Like that'd be kind of cool

461
00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:17.119
that if you hit targets you give, you start giving a bit more back

462
00:31:17.160 --> 00:31:19.039
to the players, so it increases
the free You would want to for sure

463
00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:26.000
set a minimum set down and go
above that, which I think is is

464
00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:30.559
it does incentivize people to like really
play. Yeah, I mean, I

465
00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:33.680
think that wouldn't be a bad idea. So so yeah, I don't know.

466
00:31:34.160 --> 00:31:37.839
I'm interested to hear people's thoughts.
Man, I've obviously have heard a

467
00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:41.200
lot of thoughts out out there on
social media. So yeah, I mean,

468
00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:44.480
we'll kind of see how it goes. I'm guessing the end of the

469
00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:47.039
day, it's still a pretty good
series overall. You know they're going to

470
00:31:47.079 --> 00:31:51.240
get big numbers. It is Tournament
Poker, it's a big brand, that

471
00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:53.440
WSP circuit, it's out in LA, it's at commerce, so you know,

472
00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:57.160
they got big guarantees on everything.
So I think overall the series will

473
00:31:57.240 --> 00:32:04.039
will have a good turnout and then
kind of lead right into the World Series

474
00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:06.559
of Poker, which is you know, if this is going to end if

475
00:32:06.559 --> 00:32:08.799
the Tournament Champions takes place twenty second
through twenty fourth of May, I mean

476
00:32:08.839 --> 00:32:13.200
this is that's going to be a
week until the ws P at that time.

477
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:22.400
Speaking of California, I mean kind
of the Savage average debuted at Rolling

478
00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:30.480
Thunder WPT Rolling Thunder at Thunder Valley
in northern California. So this tournament was

479
00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:36.480
the idea of Matt Savage, friend
of the podcast. Not sure if he's

480
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:40.079
a friend of me anymore, but
a friend of the podcast. After my

481
00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:43.799
my take on this event, he
might not be your friends of the Oh

482
00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:50.039
wow, Okay, So what this
is is it's a tournament where everyone starts

483
00:32:50.240 --> 00:32:53.839
with fifty big blinds. There's a
fifty big blind average to start the tournament.

484
00:32:54.839 --> 00:32:59.359
Over the course of the tournament,
there are no tournament clocks in terms

485
00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:00.960
of like the time level, right, normally you're like, okay, every

486
00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:05.079
level sixty minutes, every little forty
minutes, whatever it may be. No,

487
00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:09.960
in this tournament, the levels increase
based on the big blind average,

488
00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:13.759
which is determined of course by the
number of the players in the field.

489
00:33:13.799 --> 00:33:19.160
The big blind average never below fifty
big blinds, so you just play,

490
00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:23.160
play play if it if it ever
gets or if it gets too high,

491
00:33:23.240 --> 00:33:28.400
right, then they put the put
the blind up. Yeah, yeah,

492
00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:30.920
and then they you know, you
continue on, but you're always keeping like

493
00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:36.519
the big blind average, never below
fifty big blinds, I believe is what

494
00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:39.319
they're doing with this. The first
one, again was at thunder value.

495
00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:43.759
It had ninety one entries. I
actually forget the buy in now that I

496
00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:46.440
should have wrote that down in my
notes, but anyway, ninety one entries

497
00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:52.160
within the first or sorry, within
the registration period. One third of the

498
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:57.480
field was eliminated, which makes sense
because you're not starting as deep. You're

499
00:33:57.519 --> 00:34:00.640
only starting fifty big blinds deep.
A lot of tournaments you're two big onine

500
00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:02.920
ZB your three hundred big mine z, but like it's just it's insane,

501
00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:08.199
right. The longest level, I
think this is all from Matt Savage put

502
00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:14.119
it on Twitter. The longest level
after registration closed was two hours and fourteen

503
00:34:14.119 --> 00:34:17.280
minutes. The shortest level was thirty
two minutes. The average level was forty

504
00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:21.639
four minutes. So that that average
level falls right in line with like what

505
00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:24.639
you see at this sort of price
point, you know, you get normally

506
00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:29.679
it's like a thirty minute at this
price point, which I think this was

507
00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:32.599
what six hundreds, I can't remember
exactly. Can you look that up for

508
00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:37.800
me? Just look up Ben Ludlow
because he made the found table alongside Jeff

509
00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:39.440
Platz. Shout out to those two
guys best friends. They probably colluded the

510
00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:45.559
whole way to the damn fountain.
So anyway, average level was forty five,

511
00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:51.679
so it's probably really yeah, five
hundred plus seventy probably so anyway,

512
00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:52.960
so yeah, so when you get
that that sort of price point, I

513
00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:57.679
mean, I think that's perfect.
The tournament lasted just under thirteen hours.

514
00:34:57.719 --> 00:35:02.119
There was a heads up chop Savage
posted himself said not much that he'd changed.

515
00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:07.679
Ben Ludlow again got second place after
that heads up chop. He said

516
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:09.719
his favorite part of it was how
deep they were at the final table.

517
00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:15.719
He also said that he loves playing
meaningful poker from the start. Lesser experienced

518
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:21.199
players didn't adjust accordingly to being deep
late, which you know, if you're

519
00:35:21.199 --> 00:35:24.039
a better player then you can certainly
take advantage of that, and that heads

520
00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:28.000
up play was too deep that he
said there was a seventy five big blind

521
00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:30.079
average heads up, which is insane. Got to speed that up for sure.

522
00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:36.239
Jeff Platt also made the final table
and said that he agreed with what

523
00:35:36.280 --> 00:35:39.320
Ben Ludlow said. He echoed playing
meaningful poker from the starts, that it

524
00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:44.360
was nice to play deep at the
final table and towards the endgame. So

525
00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:50.679
it seems like people enjoyed it.
It seems like it worked out pretty well.

526
00:35:51.320 --> 00:35:55.039
I'm curious to see where it goes
from here now. It is definitely

527
00:35:55.079 --> 00:36:00.760
going to Seminal hard Rock in South
Florida as part of the Seminal hard Rock

528
00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:06.280
Poker Showdown coming up later this month
on April twenty second. They're going to

529
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:12.280
have a six hundred dollars buying fifty
thousand dollars guaranteed Savage Average tournament. So

530
00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:17.239
We'll see how it goes there.
I would say that Thunder Valley is a

531
00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:22.760
tournament room that I think the staff
is certainly on top of things, very

532
00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:25.880
much more attentive, which you have
to be with this tournament. I would

533
00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:30.519
probably say the same of the Florida
crew, you know, just knowing what

534
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:35.000
they've done in the past. Now, of course maybe that change is going

535
00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:37.039
forward with how they handle this,
but I'm guessing they handle it perfectly.

536
00:36:38.360 --> 00:36:43.760
So yeah, I'm curious if you
think it's going to catch on, Like

537
00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:46.000
do you think this is going to
be a thing where we're removing tournament clocks

538
00:36:46.039 --> 00:36:50.800
more on poker? I mean it
all. It seems like the biggest thing

539
00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:54.000
that I think is caught on recently
is well, one, clocks in poker

540
00:36:54.039 --> 00:36:59.159
have certainly caught on a lot of
places use clocks also, like mystery boundaries

541
00:36:59.159 --> 00:37:00.800
have certainly caught on. Like those
are the two biggest things to me.

542
00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:05.039
I mean, mystery boundies are if
you have a series, you have a

543
00:37:05.079 --> 00:37:07.440
mystery boundie, Like that's just what
you do, right, So are you

544
00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:10.719
now like if you have a series
you have a savage average or is it

545
00:37:10.800 --> 00:37:16.280
something does it take on? So
does it take on the mystery bounty approach,

546
00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:19.360
where like it's like, if you
have a series, you have one

547
00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:22.960
of these tournaments, or does it
take on the big blind ante approach where

548
00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:25.320
it's like, this is just the
way it's going to be from now on.

549
00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:31.760
What's your opinion? Which way does
it go? Well? Because at

550
00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:35.760
first everyone was like big blind antih
like, well, okay, we'll try

551
00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:37.920
in this event, will try in
that event. Now it's just the norm.

552
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:40.920
That's just what it is. Is
it become the norm or does it

553
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:45.239
become more of a novelty event.
It's a novelty event and that shows that

554
00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:47.719
the fact that only ninety one play
is played. Yeah, but you got

555
00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:51.800
it first of all, you got
to start somewhere. Sure, I would

556
00:37:51.880 --> 00:37:53.719
gay, I would probably bet that
thunder Value lost money on this event.

557
00:37:54.280 --> 00:38:00.880
What wow, right Covering Dealers,
you said it one forty ohs. I

558
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:04.199
don't think it will catch on the
fact that it was done at thunder Valley.

559
00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:07.320
I think Ben Irwin is willing to
try things, willing to work with

560
00:38:07.360 --> 00:38:12.360
their partner, which is great.
Now we're going to see savage average of

561
00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:16.920
the world series the PGT tried.
Probably not and maybe it will be it

562
00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:23.599
like a thunder Valley and WPT friendly
slash family stops. The idea is interesting.

563
00:38:23.719 --> 00:38:27.280
It probably does need some tweaking.
Obviously, it's the first time it's

564
00:38:27.320 --> 00:38:30.880
ever run. I bet you there'll
be some small changes for seminal and wherever

565
00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:37.719
it goes next. I just think
that industry operators, and I'm including ourselves

566
00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:43.280
in that, I'm including Matt,
including all the tours out there, knows

567
00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:45.880
what works, right, We know
what works, but sometimes we try and

568
00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:49.920
get fancy. We sometimes you know, look, we've done that as well

569
00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:52.360
with some stuff we've done in the
PLO series. We know it works.

570
00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:59.639
Just keep it simple and kind of
just yeah. We always start antying work

571
00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:06.000
and then eventually somebody, well we're
still handy. It's just I'm just wondering,

572
00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:08.760
this is still running to ternament,
This is still I get a different

573
00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:12.639
way to do it. It's just
that, do we need to reinvent the

574
00:39:12.639 --> 00:39:15.400
wheel on something like this? I
don't think we need to. My hot

575
00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:19.920
take, I think this does.
Okay, go ahead, give you a

576
00:39:19.960 --> 00:39:28.000
hot take. My hot take is, did Matt Savage invent this to keep

577
00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:32.239
himself relevant? You can't be a
question. Your heart take has to be

578
00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:38.159
a take, and my take is
he created this to stay relevant. He's

579
00:39:38.239 --> 00:39:42.159
not. People think he doesn't do
anything at the WPT things. He plays

580
00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:45.440
too much golf, He does nothing
with a WSP anymore, barely plays any

581
00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:49.559
poker. This is his shot at
becoming relevant once again in the poka industry,

582
00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:52.280
now that it's not two thousand and
three. That's my heart take.

583
00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:55.639
No, that's that's a ridiculous take, your second ridiculous take of this podcast.

584
00:39:55.639 --> 00:40:01.079
You're just ramming. My take is
this, If this does catch on

585
00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:06.599
and become a thing, it is
going to be detrimental to poker in the

586
00:40:06.639 --> 00:40:15.239
long run in terms of getting more
recreational players into the game because recreational players

587
00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:20.480
cannot play deep, elaborate poker.
They can't. I get what you're saying.

588
00:40:20.559 --> 00:40:23.199
Okay. Which Ryan, producer of
the podcast, has been on this

589
00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:27.039
take for years. It is the
first. He is the first to be

590
00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:29.719
on it as far as I know, he's been on it forever. I

591
00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:31.559
know some other people have picked it
up at times. I don't know exactly

592
00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:35.320
who was first with it, but
I'm giving rich Ryan credit because I want

593
00:40:35.360 --> 00:40:38.719
to. He's always said that the
WSP manim in structure is too good and

594
00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:44.840
hurts the quote unquote dream for recreationals
because once you get deep, you know,

595
00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:47.159
day six, day seven, et
cetera, the res have no chance.

596
00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:51.079
I mean, yeah, you might
get unknown players in terms of like

597
00:40:51.679 --> 00:40:55.480
name brands, but they're all still
generally very very good, right. I

598
00:40:55.480 --> 00:40:59.280
mean, who's like the kind of
the wild card that broke through recently.

599
00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:01.800
I mean John Hesp, that's exactly
who you know, Like he's like but

600
00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:05.880
he's like the only one you don't. You just don't get this like craziness

601
00:41:05.920 --> 00:41:09.159
anymore because it's it's too good.
They're so deep, right, Like it's

602
00:41:09.199 --> 00:41:14.719
just so I'm taking the Rich Ryan
take, and I'm expanding it to this

603
00:41:14.920 --> 00:41:19.400
in that if every tournament were to
move to this, like the REX would

604
00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:23.920
have no shot if you're playing if
you're playing fifty big blind average from the

605
00:41:23.960 --> 00:41:28.440
start to the finish of a tournament, like I understand at the start,

606
00:41:28.519 --> 00:41:32.079
like, yeah, you're a little
bit shorter than normal, but over the

607
00:41:32.119 --> 00:41:36.639
course of the tournament the average stays
at fifty big blinds. I mean,

608
00:41:36.679 --> 00:41:38.840
the professional players are just going to
eat the recreational players alive. So yeah,

609
00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:43.239
I feel like maybe the fixes it
starts fifty. Maybe it says one

610
00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:49.440
hundred bb average and then it like
it slowly like increases so goes or decreases

611
00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:52.679
one hundred and ninety eighty seventy sixty
to fifty. So when you get to

612
00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:55.000
the found table, maybe you're at
thirty big ones, which is still a

613
00:41:55.119 --> 00:41:58.360
lot. You know, if you're
at the final table at thirty big blind

614
00:41:58.400 --> 00:42:04.199
average at a final table is pretty
deep overall, So you could stop making

615
00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:07.079
at the start, you know,
as you get as you get to like

616
00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:12.280
half a final table, then yeah, thirty big bind I mean I certainly

617
00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:15.159
also on the other side, like
I hate like when you get everyone's got

618
00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:17.199
ten to fifteen big bndes and it's
just silly, Like you know, I

619
00:42:17.199 --> 00:42:20.719
don't like that about some of our
events. How it just basically gets to

620
00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:22.960
like if they play for so long, they're also good, they're also worried

621
00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:27.800
about ICM, Like I mean,
it's part of it's fascinating, yes,

622
00:42:27.880 --> 00:42:30.400
to see how these guys maneuver those
sort of situations, but also part of

623
00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:34.400
it is like it's just crapshoot,
and you know, we want there to

624
00:42:34.440 --> 00:42:37.559
be a lot of skill involved.
So I think from a like I almost

625
00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:43.679
feel like the savage average would work
well like in PGT type of events where

626
00:42:43.719 --> 00:42:47.280
it's more pro heavy, elite player
heavy, and like that's what we're trying

627
00:42:47.320 --> 00:42:51.719
to sell, like these are the
most elite players in the world, Like

628
00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:53.719
it's been told to us, like
we want this to be the PGA of

629
00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:59.440
poker, Like those are the best
golfers. Yeah, like we want these

630
00:42:59.480 --> 00:43:01.159
to be the best players, right, So then maybe this sort of thing

631
00:43:01.159 --> 00:43:06.480
works better here, But for a
six hundred dollars buying event, I don't

632
00:43:06.519 --> 00:43:10.559
know if it works so much in
terms of like you might play it once

633
00:43:10.679 --> 00:43:13.679
or twice, but then you might
realize, Okay, I'm not gonna win

634
00:43:13.719 --> 00:43:15.159
because I'm not going to beat the
good guys. Yeah, because it's just

635
00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:17.960
once we get deep, I just
kind of had no shot type of thing.

636
00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:22.199
So so yeah, so that's my
take there. I would like to

637
00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:25.119
see it continue to be offered as
you know, kind of a one off

638
00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:30.320
novelty event is part of every schedule
because I do think that variety helps and

639
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:32.119
there are going to be some people
that like this sort of thing. So

640
00:43:32.119 --> 00:43:35.880
so yeah, that's that's where I'm
at with it. So again, the

641
00:43:35.920 --> 00:43:40.639
next installment of the Savage Average is
Monday, April twenty second, down at

642
00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:44.960
the Seminal hard Rock as part of
the Seminal hard Rock Poker Showdown. It's

643
00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:49.480
the six hundred dollars buying fifty thousand
dollars guarantees, so we'll be checking that

644
00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:52.440
out. I mean, I know
it's not on the rundown, but I

645
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:55.760
mean we might as well hit on
it. You brought it off right before

646
00:43:55.880 --> 00:43:59.880
I hit record. It does kind
of tie in here because it does have

647
00:43:59.880 --> 00:44:02.559
a tie to Matt Savage. You
said you're getting a little fomo from WPT

648
00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:06.800
Voyage. I am. I mean, listen, I'll tell you this.

649
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:12.559
They do a damn good job of
creating fomour always has. It's something they

650
00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:17.159
have certainly always cared about, and
quite honestly, like at least when I

651
00:44:17.239 --> 00:44:24.039
was there, like literally, it
was like make people miss not being there,

652
00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:28.039
Like that was like a goal from
the marketing department. That's what That's

653
00:44:28.039 --> 00:44:30.360
how you approach things. You want
to You want people to see photos,

654
00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:35.159
see videos, see posts on social
media and be like, man, I

655
00:44:35.239 --> 00:44:39.360
missed out. Now I'm feeling different
from you. Listen, it does look

656
00:44:39.400 --> 00:44:44.000
like a good time, but you're
scared. I don't know. I'm just

657
00:44:44.480 --> 00:44:46.599
I'm just anti cruse ships. Why
would I want to be locked up on

658
00:44:46.599 --> 00:44:49.679
a cruise when you can just send
me to a resort somewhere I can do

659
00:44:49.719 --> 00:44:52.440
the thing with the possibility of leaving
and the possibility of not sinking into the

660
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:55.599
ocean. Great, Oh my god, Okay, I agree with the results

661
00:44:55.639 --> 00:45:02.119
Trump's cruise. I kind of like
if you went to a venue and you

662
00:45:02.199 --> 00:45:06.079
literally never left the venue. I
like to leave the venue. The World

663
00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:07.280
Series of Poker for us, well, no, because I like to leave

664
00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:12.280
the venues and I don't very barely, very barely leave. But I live

665
00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:15.079
at home. I don't live at
the World Series. Point the reason I

666
00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:20.000
have Pharmo and look, I had
toyed with going. The problem is it

667
00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:25.519
is sandwich directly between a PLO series
and we're going to discuss a lattle bit

668
00:45:25.599 --> 00:45:30.079
our upcoming USPO and Texas per grew
up in. So this is my week

669
00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:35.039
of just catch actually downtime slash catching
up with work. So that's one reason

670
00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:38.639
next year I will make sure we
have events space out of it more because

671
00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:40.880
I think it would be fun.
I'm not going to go play the five

672
00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:45.360
k ma in but I think they
play and I wanted better in terms of

673
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:50.920
because it left from Florida. Yeah, so it should like leave seminole and

674
00:45:50.960 --> 00:45:52.880
then seminole. No, No,
I disagree. I think it should be

675
00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:57.039
off to something either way. It
should be seminal right before seminal right after

676
00:45:57.119 --> 00:46:00.519
this is it does voyage, then
they go to Chalktaw then they're going to

677
00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:05.760
seminole. Seminals on right now.
Oh but it's not the WPT seminal.

678
00:46:06.119 --> 00:46:09.320
Is this is this? Yeah?
But like is WPT not Like is there

679
00:46:09.320 --> 00:46:13.079
a partnership done with seminole. No, I think it's just this is a

680
00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:15.679
standalone so I know. But I'm
saying, like can they can you bring

681
00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:19.000
that back? Like can you have
one? Like yeah, can you do

682
00:46:19.159 --> 00:46:22.519
away with another? Like if it's
like okay, like maybe there's some relationship

683
00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:24.119
where seminoles like no, we only
want two WPT events a year, Okay,

684
00:46:24.159 --> 00:46:27.280
Well how about it's this one that
way we compare with the boy.

685
00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:30.039
I think I think that would have
been a lot better. If you have

686
00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:32.480
seminole, it ends you know,
you have the next day to get to

687
00:46:32.519 --> 00:46:36.000
the boat. You're going to have
a lot of people at seminole playing the

688
00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:39.159
main event, go on this cruise, play the cruise, and then maybe

689
00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:44.159
you have some time off after that
on the on the series. Yeah,

690
00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:45.679
I looks it looks fun like we
have a lot of friends on there,

691
00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:50.639
we have a lot of colleagues on
there, we have it looks pretty cool.

692
00:46:50.679 --> 00:46:52.639
Would be a cool idea to play
some poker on a boat, just

693
00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:58.239
like the old party poker days of
the early WPT season. Yeah, you

694
00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:00.119
know, I'm just not a go
on a cruise type of guy, so

695
00:47:00.639 --> 00:47:05.840
I agree, i'd but I think
it looks. It looks it does They're

696
00:47:05.880 --> 00:47:08.199
they're doing a damn good job of
making it look good. And this has

697
00:47:08.239 --> 00:47:14.800
certainly been something that I think Adam
Pliska has always wanted forever, you know,

698
00:47:15.159 --> 00:47:19.599
and and he got his wish and
he made this happen. So kudos

699
00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:23.679
to him and the team for putting
this on decent turnout and beat the guarantee

700
00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:29.400
overall. So yeah, you know, I think I think it was I

701
00:47:29.480 --> 00:47:34.599
think it was good overall. You
know. The only other thing that I

702
00:47:34.599 --> 00:47:38.400
would say like that I might change
is Originally when I heard about this idea,

703
00:47:38.599 --> 00:47:45.199
I just assumed it was like families, but it's not okay, but

704
00:47:45.199 --> 00:47:47.719
they have a partnership with the Virgin. The Virgin cruise ships are all adults

705
00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:53.360
only. That's the thing. Get
a different partnership. Yeah. I was

706
00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:58.239
also thinking actually on my drive down
here to the studio today, it just

707
00:47:58.239 --> 00:48:00.440
popped into my head. So,
now that you have this partnership with the

708
00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:06.280
Virgin the cruise ships, can you
do a WPT at Virgin here in Vegas

709
00:48:06.760 --> 00:48:08.639
or like? Does that infringe upon
any sort of partnership that you already have

710
00:48:08.719 --> 00:48:12.920
in place. You've done stuff at
the Venati. I would there is stuff

711
00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:16.559
at the wind Like. I'm sure
there is an as long as a different

712
00:48:16.599 --> 00:48:20.880
time. I'm sure there's. I'm
sure it's in the we deal enough with

713
00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:24.800
Leo to know that. I guarantee
you. Yeah, But there's also aren't

714
00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:32.199
there other Virgin properties around the world. I let's find out. I don't

715
00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:36.360
know. Isn't it called Virgin hotels? Bro? I mean, come on,

716
00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:40.119
Richard Pointon does whatever he's wants?
Can you have an event on his

717
00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:47.760
island? I don't know sure.
The al Elgin, the Alpha Quarter,

718
00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:53.880
the Alpha Quarter is as it's now
being known, Chicago, Dallas, Edinburgh,

719
00:48:54.480 --> 00:48:59.280
Glasgow, Las Vegas, Nashville,
New Orleans, New York, and

720
00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:02.840
then are coming soon in sow Miami, Orleans, Miami, Denver cummingson,

721
00:49:04.119 --> 00:49:06.119
Yeah, but you have to think
it also has to be in a spot

722
00:49:06.119 --> 00:49:08.679
where there's gaming allowed, So New
Orleans, for example, I would I

723
00:49:08.719 --> 00:49:12.679
would be all in on an Edinburgh
w p T. I love that.

724
00:49:12.679 --> 00:49:15.119
That's where I want to go.
I mean they've done UK I p T

725
00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:21.880
Edinburgh, So yeah, Nashville,
Tennessee. No, there's no gambling there

726
00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:25.440
like casinos Dallas. Well, that
would be too close to chucktow anyway,

727
00:49:25.519 --> 00:49:29.320
that wouldn't be that'd be like you
have, they have to establish one of

728
00:49:29.320 --> 00:49:31.440
those cars. Yah, I want
to Chicago. Look up, look up

729
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:36.760
the New Orleans one. Does it
have a casino? They have casinos in

730
00:49:36.800 --> 00:49:40.440
New Orleans, doesn't Pitches doesn't look
like it. But anyway, anyway,

731
00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:45.159
that's in the city. Like Tim, the take is that they're making it

732
00:49:45.159 --> 00:49:49.320
look like a damn good time.
Yeah, for sure, great show the

733
00:49:49.400 --> 00:49:52.119
marketing to them for for doing that. You know, the world Woar Tour

734
00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:55.960
has always put marketing and branding kind
of kind of number one on there,

735
00:49:57.239 --> 00:50:00.519
just like a priority. So they're
they're doing a damn good job because it

736
00:50:00.519 --> 00:50:02.920
does make you it doesn't make you
be like, hmmm, you know,

737
00:50:02.960 --> 00:50:06.599
maybe maybe I would want to go
there. It's New Orleans Hotel looks pretty

738
00:50:06.639 --> 00:50:08.440
dark though not saying that, but
it looks pretty sick. Well, I

739
00:50:08.480 --> 00:50:13.760
need to put a casino on there, all right, So let's hit on

740
00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:16.519
this prop bet before we get into
the USPO and Texas Poker open stuff.

741
00:50:16.519 --> 00:50:21.320
So Robert Kuhon I saw a post
on social media from Robert Kuhn saying that

742
00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:24.480
he was going to engage in a
prop bet with Sean Deep against Shan Deep

743
00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:32.840
a thirty day water fast. So
deb gave Coon twenty to one odds.

744
00:50:34.239 --> 00:50:38.480
Cohon is betting three thousand dollars to
win sixty thousand dollars against Shan Deep.

745
00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:45.559
Coun cannot consume anything other than water
and coffee for thirty days. He can

746
00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:51.960
drink. I think it's he can't
drink coffee for two hours upon waking.

747
00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:53.800
Or maybe it's he can drink coffee
for two hours. Wrong, I can't.

748
00:50:55.079 --> 00:50:59.920
It's written as he can drink coffee
for two hours upon waking. But

749
00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:02.639
I'm wondering saw me either that's he
can only drink the coffee in two hours,

750
00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:07.440
because coffee is a bit of an
appetite suppressant. So wondering if that's

751
00:51:07.480 --> 00:51:09.440
the case or if he needs to
delay it. I'm guessing it might be

752
00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:14.280
because they don't want him to have
it be an appetite suppressant for the entire

753
00:51:14.360 --> 00:51:19.239
day. So anyway, he can
also consume electrolytes, salt, and vitamins.

754
00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:23.840
I checked Koon's Twitter today. He's
on day ten, so he's going

755
00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:28.000
strong. At this point. I
feel like he's just gonna make it.

756
00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:32.519
I try not how like I've done
a water fass. I think you've done

757
00:51:32.519 --> 00:51:37.519
a water fass. It's terrible,
It's brutal. No, it's not,

758
00:51:37.920 --> 00:51:42.760
it's not. It's terrible for the
first three or four days, and then

759
00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:45.079
honestly, after that you just forget
about it. I mean, he's I

760
00:51:45.159 --> 00:51:47.760
think he said he's what ten days
in? Is he about ten days in?

761
00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:52.639
I think today's day. I believe
he's in Costa Rica playing poker like

762
00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:55.559
so that makes it tough for I
think going in the tough spot. I

763
00:51:55.559 --> 00:51:59.320
saw one photo where he was like
out to dinner with people. That's tough.

764
00:51:59.360 --> 00:52:01.480
I know. I don't know if
I could do that, like you

765
00:52:01.559 --> 00:52:08.159
just gotta say my waterfast like I
was. I feel like I was dying.

766
00:52:08.320 --> 00:52:12.039
I feel like I was dead.
I had nothing in me. I

767
00:52:12.079 --> 00:52:14.960
don't know I was gonna excited that
the water fast. I've done some extended

768
00:52:15.400 --> 00:52:21.679
juice fast and like the first two
to three maybe four days are usually annoying.

769
00:52:21.880 --> 00:52:23.840
That's when your body is really adjusting. You might get some headaches,

770
00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:27.320
you feel really grumpy, all that
sort of stuff. You know, your

771
00:52:27.400 --> 00:52:30.119
energy levels are are low while your
bottle body is still adjusting. But then

772
00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:34.559
once you get past like that third
or fourth day, it's kind of just

773
00:52:34.639 --> 00:52:37.800
like the new normal and you can
just go. I mean, I went

774
00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:43.440
on a I went on. I
know the juice fast is different than waterfast,

775
00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:45.039
of course, yes, I think
the longest water fast I did was

776
00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:49.599
a week juice fast. I went
on one time. I planned to do

777
00:52:49.599 --> 00:52:52.119
a five day juice fast, and
it lasted like eighteen days because I just

778
00:52:52.119 --> 00:52:55.639
got to the point where I was
like whatever, like let's just keep getting

779
00:52:55.639 --> 00:53:00.920
calories and you don't get you get
like fifty alleries of juice. I mean,

780
00:53:01.039 --> 00:53:04.960
no, I understand, I understand, but I'm just saying like it's

781
00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:08.000
like it's not that much, just
a prefaces. He's starting weight was three

782
00:53:08.079 --> 00:53:13.480
or five. Yeah, he has
some fuel on his body to burn through,

783
00:53:14.159 --> 00:53:16.960
so yeah, he still but he
should make it. The fact that

784
00:53:17.320 --> 00:53:21.840
there's a listen, there's a reason
he was probably three h five, probably

785
00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:24.280
ate a lot. Yeah, I
mean nothing against Robert Cooper. That's probably

786
00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:29.559
you get to three oh five,
right, So you know that said your

787
00:53:29.599 --> 00:53:34.840
body is used to consuming. Yeah, so I did mine. I just

788
00:53:34.880 --> 00:53:37.840
think that in general, the fact
that he was like, is willing to

789
00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:42.119
risk three thousand to sixty thousand?
Like, I just feel like, I

790
00:53:42.119 --> 00:53:45.480
don't know. I just I got
the sense reading through the tweets when it

791
00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:49.159
was kind of being worked out and
Kuon was talking about that he's a sure

792
00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:52.480
bet to make it, like he's
like, anyone want to bet against me,

793
00:53:52.599 --> 00:53:54.159
let's go whatever. Like I was
like, there's I think there's no

794
00:53:54.280 --> 00:53:58.360
way. That was just the sense
that I got there was no way.

795
00:53:58.559 --> 00:54:01.960
I mean, could you do it
if I was straight or five? Maybe,

796
00:54:04.119 --> 00:54:07.480
well you couldn't do it right now
if you want to do it right,

797
00:54:07.559 --> 00:54:10.199
if you were to do it right
now, okay, twenty to one,

798
00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:15.360
but you have to wager something.
What are you wagering I had long

799
00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:17.000
to have to do it, four
thirty. I get the coffee a bit

800
00:54:17.039 --> 00:54:20.920
though, Yeah, you get coffee. Trying to see a coffee for the

801
00:54:20.960 --> 00:54:25.960
first two hours upon waking, you
can consume electrolytes, salt, and vitamins.

802
00:54:27.159 --> 00:54:29.760
That stuff helped. The electrolytes help
a lot. Well, no shit,

803
00:54:29.920 --> 00:54:35.239
I would bet am I getting twenty
to one? Yeah, so like

804
00:54:35.239 --> 00:54:37.280
if you bet five hundred dollars,
Like, is winning ten thousand dollars really

805
00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:39.760
going to push you to do this? I'd probably be like a thousand bucks

806
00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:45.519
thousand to win thousand. Kune did
say that, like, you know,

807
00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:50.199
because of the health stuff, the
medical stuff that could happen in this,

808
00:54:50.280 --> 00:54:52.400
he's going to be trying to see
a doctor. I think he said every

809
00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:57.960
week or maybe a couple times a
week to go through with it. If

810
00:54:58.000 --> 00:55:01.679
it was me, I think I
would consult the doctor beforehand see if it

811
00:55:01.719 --> 00:55:06.719
was okay, which I'm guessing it
would be, and then I would try

812
00:55:06.760 --> 00:55:10.119
and Max beet. Yeah, I
mean you have a lot more experience than

813
00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:14.440
Raub and me doing this, so
yeah, I think you have a better

814
00:55:14.599 --> 00:55:20.599
chance to do it. Yeah,
I mean it's it's interesting. I don't

815
00:55:20.679 --> 00:55:22.880
know why I might need to bet
more money so it hurts me more,

816
00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:27.519
and then I'm more likely to do
it. It's also it's also a question

817
00:55:27.719 --> 00:55:31.840
of where you are in life.
And what I mean by that is like

818
00:55:31.960 --> 00:55:35.559
Tim and I and I'm assuming a
lot of people out there who are listening.

819
00:55:36.559 --> 00:55:38.159
You have families, you have kids. You have to think about that.

820
00:55:38.280 --> 00:55:43.880
I mean, I can't just do
something that could possibly cause in the

821
00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:47.440
most severe case, some death right
in a less severe case but still severe

822
00:55:47.599 --> 00:55:53.000
long term health implications right now if
you're single, you don't have kids.

823
00:55:53.360 --> 00:55:57.880
It's a different equation to some extent. Of course, Yes, you want

824
00:55:57.920 --> 00:56:00.639
to avoid, you know, the
ultimate tragedy of death. You want to

825
00:56:00.679 --> 00:56:05.840
avoid any long term health risk,
Yes, but you don't have to worry

826
00:56:05.880 --> 00:56:08.360
about like doing so for your kids. It's only you type of thing like

827
00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:12.480
so, so that would that would
come into play for I think someone like

828
00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:14.760
you know, you and I and
a lot of other people out there,

829
00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:16.760
whereas like you know, I can
just say that I was a little bit

830
00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:20.639
more crazy when I was single and
didn't have a lot of responsibilities and to

831
00:56:20.639 --> 00:56:22.960
worry about things like you can do
whatever you want and it doesn't really matter

832
00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:27.280
so much. In a way,
you're kind of only hurting yourself, so

833
00:56:27.079 --> 00:56:31.639
so that would be part of the
equation here. But ultimately, I think

834
00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:36.199
Robert Kuon's going to do it again. He's ten days in, he's got

835
00:56:36.239 --> 00:56:37.960
to go thirty days total. So
I think Sean Deeve is going to be

836
00:56:37.960 --> 00:56:43.079
getting some of that money that he
won from Bill Perkins for his way loss

837
00:56:43.119 --> 00:56:46.639
bet and he's going to be sending
it on over to Robert Koon in this

838
00:56:46.719 --> 00:56:51.039
bet. So I think it's interesting, and I think again, you know,

839
00:56:51.199 --> 00:56:54.039
we're never going to stop hearing about
these kind of wacky prop bets coming

840
00:56:54.079 --> 00:56:58.719
out of the poker world. I
mean, poker people love to bet on

841
00:56:58.800 --> 00:57:02.320
everything, so they're always going to
find a way. So Robert Kuhne found

842
00:57:02.320 --> 00:57:06.519
a way to get twenty one odds
on a thirty day water fast and he's

843
00:57:06.559 --> 00:57:09.360
often running. He's ten days in, all right. Coming up in a

844
00:57:09.360 --> 00:57:15.719
couple of days, what April eighth, we have the US Poker Open eight

845
00:57:15.760 --> 00:57:21.679
events, five thousand dollars is the
opening buy in. The championship event is

846
00:57:21.679 --> 00:57:25.119
a twenty five k. It's gonna
be a lot of fun. We are

847
00:57:25.159 --> 00:57:31.920
going to be live streaming every final
table, plus bonus coverage possibly. Yeah,

848
00:57:32.440 --> 00:57:37.360
so there's going to be a lot
of What I mean by bonus coverage

849
00:57:37.400 --> 00:57:42.360
is it could be some as I
keep dropping my ring, could be some

850
00:57:42.599 --> 00:57:45.840
day one covers that we're going to
be doing. So be on the lookout

851
00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:50.360
for that from us here at poker
Go What I mean, what are you?

852
00:57:50.360 --> 00:57:52.360
You're the one with your you know, your finger on the pulse of

853
00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:57.320
this sort of stuff, So what
are you hearing? What are you expecting?

854
00:57:57.400 --> 00:58:00.760
Our turnout is going to be good? Is Phil Helm coming? Like?

855
00:58:00.840 --> 00:58:02.360
What what are we getting out of
the us PO? Who are your

856
00:58:02.519 --> 00:58:06.960
first favorites to win the Giant Golden
Egle Trophy? Like all that sort of

857
00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:10.760
stuff. Fill Home ain't coming,
is not coming? He played no pilo,

858
00:58:10.840 --> 00:58:14.840
He played mixed, but he played
some mixed no pilo. I was

859
00:58:14.960 --> 00:58:19.400
very bullish on the USPO. Win
at us PO last year, straight flush,

860
00:58:19.599 --> 00:58:22.559
Yeah, so he's gotta gotta get
in there. I was bullish on

861
00:58:22.639 --> 00:58:27.000
the us PO until I saw how
many people went on the voyage. They're

862
00:58:27.039 --> 00:58:28.800
not going to come back. No, they're going to come back, but

863
00:58:28.920 --> 00:58:32.239
you know, like that's dark.
Maybe they skipped the first event well,

864
00:58:32.280 --> 00:58:36.800
the second they skipped the first event, who cares, well, what I

865
00:58:36.880 --> 00:58:38.880
mean, it's the It's the start
of the series, so it means a

866
00:58:38.920 --> 00:58:43.119
lot like starting well. Poker Cup
we did a five. Okay, we

867
00:58:43.159 --> 00:58:45.360
got one hundred and eleven entrants.
I was hoping we would get more than

868
00:58:45.400 --> 00:58:50.400
that, but I would say maybe
somewhere in those same, very similar numbers

869
00:58:50.719 --> 00:58:55.079
for poke A Cup. Obviously,
we as in the PGT have had a

870
00:58:55.159 --> 00:59:00.199
substantial break from Nolanman to hold him
last PoCA Good Cup of event finished on

871
00:59:00.239 --> 00:59:06.599
February third, so we're basically,
you know, two months out since No

872
00:59:06.719 --> 00:59:09.280
Limit. I felt like back then
in January we kind of had too much

873
00:59:09.280 --> 00:59:13.400
stuff going on with Kickoff, Last
Chance, the Championship, and the Cup.

874
00:59:14.159 --> 00:59:19.599
Now they've had some time rebuild bankrolls. Hopefully they'll will have better numbers

875
00:59:19.679 --> 00:59:24.719
than the Polo Cup to kind of
push the USPO even further. So yeah,

876
00:59:24.760 --> 00:59:30.320
I'm always going to hope for the
biggest numbers we can get. Yeah,

877
00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:34.039
I mean, listen, I'm pretty
bullish on the USPO in general.

878
00:59:34.880 --> 00:59:38.599
For whatever reason, I just feel
like the turnout is good every single year

879
00:59:38.679 --> 00:59:44.960
for this series. I think the
majors generally do pretty well, but most

880
00:59:45.079 --> 00:59:49.320
importantly from the majors USPO and Poker
Masters, which always takes place in the

881
00:59:49.360 --> 00:59:52.320
second half of the year. So
I know. The third major, at

882
00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:55.480
least in terms of a series,
is the Poker Rol Cup, but I

883
00:59:55.480 --> 00:59:59.039
don't know, I kind of put
that as the one b mostly because it's

884
00:59:59.079 --> 01:00:00.960
newer than the other. The other
one, you know, USPO and Poker

885
01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:06.519
Masters are just a bit more established. So yeah, so I'm expecting a

886
01:00:06.519 --> 01:00:10.920
pretty big turnouts. You know,
I think it will be a good series

887
01:00:12.119 --> 01:00:15.840
overall. So yeah, I mean, I I can't wait for it.

888
01:00:15.880 --> 01:00:19.079
You know, I'm also kind of
happy to I mean, this is not

889
01:00:19.239 --> 01:00:21.760
like a knock, although I know
it's gonna sound like a knock, but

890
01:00:22.199 --> 01:00:23.960
I'm kind of happy to get back
to some nolm and hold them. I

891
01:00:23.960 --> 01:00:28.239
mean, it's just actually, I
mean not that I'm knocking the mixed games

892
01:00:28.239 --> 01:00:30.239
in the PLO, but like I
want some them to hold them back in

893
01:00:30.280 --> 01:00:35.119
my life. So let's go.
So, you know, we you know,

894
01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:37.360
we branched out for the last couple
of months doing the mixed games and

895
01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:42.880
in the PLO series, and and
now it's back into the two card Poker.

896
01:00:42.960 --> 01:00:45.519
Some might say it's boring, some
might say it's not whatever, but

897
01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:47.519
here we go. It's gonna be
a lot of fun. So, so,

898
01:00:47.639 --> 01:00:51.960
yeah, should we do what's we
gotta do? A fantasy draft?

899
01:00:53.000 --> 01:00:58.360
You pick three players, I'll pick
three players. Most leaderboard points combined between

900
01:00:58.440 --> 01:01:04.320
us wins US and we're betting?
What are we betting? Coffee? How

901
01:01:04.320 --> 01:01:10.440
many coffees? Five? Five?
Jesus why not? Who cares five coffees

902
01:01:12.800 --> 01:01:17.639
when we drink coffee every day?
I'm going first, Yeah, us,

903
01:01:19.079 --> 01:01:22.440
David Coleman. Fuck, that's right, baby, let's go. He's my

904
01:01:22.519 --> 01:01:24.840
guy, I got. I picked
him as the breakout player of the year.

905
01:01:24.880 --> 01:01:30.159
He's second in the PGT leaderboard.
Let's go, David Coleman, Alex

906
01:01:30.159 --> 01:01:35.360
Foxin. You get to pick two. Chrissy Foxing, Wow, Okay,

907
01:01:37.480 --> 01:01:43.280
I'm gonna go with Jeremy Osmas.
Good pick. Yeah. I think I'm

908
01:01:43.280 --> 01:01:46.480
pretty sure he's within the top ten
of the PGT leaderboard. But I still

909
01:01:46.480 --> 01:01:51.480
feel like he's been generally quiet.
So well, he skipped some of the

910
01:01:51.480 --> 01:01:53.679
paylo series because he son had a
baseball tournament or socker tournament. Yeah,

911
01:01:53.719 --> 01:01:57.320
but you know, just in terms
of results, that's fine. And then

912
01:01:57.400 --> 01:02:06.039
listen I gotta stick with the hot
hand, mister, quality over quantity.

913
01:02:06.360 --> 01:02:08.400
So I have I have David Coleman, Jeremy Osmus, Daniel and Grandio on

914
01:02:08.440 --> 01:02:13.880
my team. Don't let me down, boys, don't let me down.

915
01:02:13.960 --> 01:02:15.760
Boys. I'm gonna look at this. Can't let me down, like five

916
01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:22.920
coffees writing on this. Did I
tell you somebody stole my Starbucks? Yes?

917
01:02:22.360 --> 01:02:24.280
Oh, I didn't tell you.
I gotta, I gotta, I

918
01:02:24.320 --> 01:02:29.159
gotta digress for a second. I
go to Starbucks just today by the office.

919
01:02:29.199 --> 01:02:32.239
I walk in because I'm gonna do
it on my phone, and it's

920
01:02:32.280 --> 01:02:36.519
like I know what I'm telling the
people, But then I have a second

921
01:02:36.559 --> 01:02:40.519
part of the story too, and
they kind of are together. Is that?

922
01:02:42.639 --> 01:02:45.159
So I go, I go to
the registry, I order scam my

923
01:02:45.159 --> 01:02:49.400
card whatever. I order a Venti
cold brew, my typical order usually Grande

924
01:02:49.519 --> 01:02:52.519
or a Venti Cold. There's two
gentlemen behind me. I don't know why,

925
01:02:52.559 --> 01:02:58.119
but I could just get the sense
that they were not from around here,

926
01:02:58.159 --> 01:03:01.280
but also like not like used to
going to Starbucks a lot. I

927
01:03:01.360 --> 01:03:04.679
just got that sense the way that
they were kind of talking, looking at

928
01:03:04.719 --> 01:03:07.559
the menu like whatever you I think
most people that go to Starbucks that are

929
01:03:07.559 --> 01:03:08.320
regulars, like, don't even look
at the menu, you just know your

930
01:03:08.360 --> 01:03:10.960
order as you go in. Boom
boom, you're out. So they order

931
01:03:12.000 --> 01:03:16.280
behind me. I'm standing so first
of all, over by the register or

932
01:03:16.320 --> 01:03:21.559
over by the pickup area, right
where they have at Starbucks. I'm standing

933
01:03:21.719 --> 01:03:25.320
like five feet back because a lot
of people are kind of coming in and

934
01:03:25.320 --> 01:03:28.800
out. There's people that have mobile
orders whatever, like you don't want to

935
01:03:28.800 --> 01:03:30.679
stand right up against it. There
is a woman though, that is standing

936
01:03:30.719 --> 01:03:35.679
literally right up against it. She's
leaning against it. She looks annoyed,

937
01:03:36.360 --> 01:03:40.039
like she just looks upset, annoyed
whatever. She's standing there. The barista

938
01:03:40.760 --> 01:03:45.960
is doing something for her, like
blending a drink and like the aluminum thing.

939
01:03:45.719 --> 01:03:50.039
She shows it to the woman.
The woman says something, but I

940
01:03:50.079 --> 01:03:54.159
can't hear it because of where I
am. The barista goes back, blends

941
01:03:54.159 --> 01:03:58.559
it some more, does whatever,
comes back and shows the lady once again,

942
01:03:59.199 --> 01:04:00.920
and the all I hear is the
lady say, do I need to

943
01:04:00.960 --> 01:04:05.079
come back and do it for you? And I'm like okay, Like what

944
01:04:05.320 --> 01:04:12.440
is happening? So the maaris is
like like whatever, She like turns around

945
01:04:12.519 --> 01:04:14.920
and like you know, she goes
back, she blends it more or whatever,

946
01:04:15.199 --> 01:04:17.360
and then the lady says something like
I'll just take it basically, and

947
01:04:17.400 --> 01:04:19.840
so then the lady like puts in
the cup and takes it, and then

948
01:04:19.840 --> 01:04:23.559
the verisays, then, you know, after that lady leaves, she's kind

949
01:04:23.559 --> 01:04:27.519
of complaining that the woman didn't like
the consistency of like what she blended and

950
01:04:27.679 --> 01:04:30.280
it was this whole thing. So
that's happening. So while that's happening,

951
01:04:30.800 --> 01:04:35.159
another barista puts a puts a hot
drink on the counter and says, whatever

952
01:04:35.159 --> 01:04:39.159
it is, you know, blah
blah blah. One of the guys that

953
01:04:39.239 --> 01:04:42.440
was behind me the line goes up
and takes it. Okay, fine.

954
01:04:42.639 --> 01:04:45.519
Then the same barista who just dropped
off that hot drink goes back to her

955
01:04:45.559 --> 01:04:48.960
station, does something, comes out
with a cold drink. It looks like

956
01:04:49.039 --> 01:04:54.079
my drink, fenti cold. She
puts it. I don't know if people

957
01:04:54.119 --> 01:04:58.519
know about the Starbucks pickup bery,
but they now have little things that have

958
01:04:58.639 --> 01:05:01.920
letters. She puts it right the
d The other guy of the pair behind

959
01:05:01.960 --> 01:05:05.760
me grabs it. She'd Now the
woman doesn't say anything. She doesn't say

960
01:05:05.840 --> 01:05:09.920
VENTI coldbrew whatever. She doesn't say
Donnie, like whatever. She just puts

961
01:05:09.920 --> 01:05:13.920
it down. The guy grabs it, and I'm like about to say,

962
01:05:14.159 --> 01:05:17.639
excuse me because I'm pretty sure that
it's mine, and he just drinks it

963
01:05:17.760 --> 01:05:21.519
and he doesn't even he doesn't even
look at the label. He just literally

964
01:05:21.559 --> 01:05:26.119
picked it up and drink like this
is Starbucks raw dogging it as far as

965
01:05:26.159 --> 01:05:29.679
I'm concerned, Like, he has
no he has no idea, like if

966
01:05:29.719 --> 01:05:32.079
like maybe he ordered a Venti cold
Brew and that's a cold brew with six

967
01:05:32.119 --> 01:05:34.639
sugars in it, Like he has
no idea what this is gonna be.

968
01:05:34.679 --> 01:05:39.239
He just straight up drinks it,
and I'm just like and then he like

969
01:05:39.400 --> 01:05:41.880
taps the other guy on the shoulder
and they just leave, and I'm just

970
01:05:41.920 --> 01:05:45.079
like, well, I think he
took my drink, but I don't really

971
01:05:45.159 --> 01:05:46.480
know for sure, but I think
he took it. So I'm like,

972
01:05:46.480 --> 01:05:50.639
Okay, I'll wait another minute and
i'll see. So same woman who just

973
01:05:50.679 --> 01:05:54.679
dropped off that drink. She comes
back out and she puts another cold drink

974
01:05:54.719 --> 01:05:57.719
down, venting, she goes Venti
eised Americano, and then I go I'm

975
01:05:57.800 --> 01:06:00.960
like, yep, he for sure
took my drink he probably ordered ventcy ice

976
01:06:00.000 --> 01:06:03.880
to Mercano. He just took the
colbrew but they're long gone, so whatever.

977
01:06:03.920 --> 01:06:06.039
I go up to the register,
I say, hey, you know,

978
01:06:06.920 --> 01:06:09.719
you know, can you just check
on my colder. I think that

979
01:06:09.719 --> 01:06:11.800
other guy took it, but I'm
not really sure, but whatever, So

980
01:06:11.880 --> 01:06:14.159
they get me a new one,
like right away. Not a big deal.

981
01:06:14.960 --> 01:06:18.440
Now. Later at night, at
like eight o'clock, I go to

982
01:06:18.480 --> 01:06:20.880
the grocery store. My wife needs
some things. I go to the grocery

983
01:06:20.920 --> 01:06:24.559
store. I grab a cart.
I walk in. First thing when I

984
01:06:24.599 --> 01:06:28.800
walk in is it's like the produce
section, fruits and whatever. She wants

985
01:06:28.840 --> 01:06:30.559
me to get some strawberries and whatnot. So I have like some strawberries.

986
01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:35.639
I think I put some potatoes in
there, and some avocados in the top

987
01:06:35.679 --> 01:06:38.760
part of the cart, you know, like where the kids sit. Yeah,

988
01:06:38.800 --> 01:06:41.800
in the top part of the car. Then I'm like, oh,

989
01:06:41.960 --> 01:06:45.280
let me go check on something else, which was like ten feet behind me,

990
01:06:45.480 --> 01:06:47.280
like not even that far. So
I just leave the cart right like

991
01:06:47.519 --> 01:06:49.880
to the side of an aisle,
up against something like, I suys I'm

992
01:06:49.880 --> 01:06:51.679
not going to leave in the middle
of an aisle, so I just leave

993
01:06:51.719 --> 01:06:56.079
it right there. I go over
to check on something. I come back.

994
01:06:56.239 --> 01:07:00.000
I'm over there for twenty seconds.
I come back. My cart is

995
01:07:00.119 --> 01:07:03.559
not where it was, but there's
a cart that's about five feet from mine,

996
01:07:03.559 --> 01:07:08.480
but like turned at this weird angle, and I'm just like in my

997
01:07:08.519 --> 01:07:10.440
head, I'm like, there's no
way I left my cart like this,

998
01:07:10.599 --> 01:07:13.840
right, I just wouldn't do it. And then I'm like, wait,

999
01:07:14.159 --> 01:07:16.519
there's no strawberries and avocado and whatever
in it. So I'm like, Okay,

1000
01:07:17.000 --> 01:07:20.960
what the hell happened? So I'm
like looking around, like thirty feet

1001
01:07:20.960 --> 01:07:28.559
away from me, there's a couple
with my cart going through like the deli

1002
01:07:28.599 --> 01:07:31.880
meat section and just putting deli meats
and stuff into my cart, and I'm

1003
01:07:31.920 --> 01:07:36.480
just like, Okay, clearly they
stole my cart, but like I didn't

1004
01:07:36.480 --> 01:07:39.920
have enough things in there that I
was like, whatever, I'm not going

1005
01:07:39.960 --> 01:07:45.119
to care. But also I'm like
their cart that they left that I then

1006
01:07:45.199 --> 01:07:48.480
took had nothing in it. So
you took this cart and you didn't realize

1007
01:07:48.519 --> 01:07:53.039
you have strawberries, avocados and potatoes
in the top part, not like it

1008
01:07:53.159 --> 01:07:55.280
below or you might not be able
to see him. No, you just

1009
01:07:55.320 --> 01:08:00.079
took this cart started to walk around
with it, are completely oblivious to the

1010
01:08:00.079 --> 01:08:02.639
fact that it was certainly not in
the same area as you left your cart,

1011
01:08:02.840 --> 01:08:05.280
and now you're just putting stuff in
it like you don't care, Like

1012
01:08:05.480 --> 01:08:12.840
I don't understand the thought process behind
people to do this. You're justerries.

1013
01:08:12.880 --> 01:08:15.599
And really, I actually I did
pick really good strawberries. I spent a

1014
01:08:15.599 --> 01:08:18.520
lot of time. And the thing
about the fucking avocados, they only had

1015
01:08:18.800 --> 01:08:24.399
three organic avocados left and I took
all three of them, so they took

1016
01:08:24.399 --> 01:08:27.399
my damn avoca. That's why they
took They saw you take the avocado,

1017
01:08:27.399 --> 01:08:31.439
and like, man, it is
absolutely, absolutely positively messing no, because

1018
01:08:31.479 --> 01:08:33.199
I was like, I'm not going
to deal with this, Like it's just

1019
01:08:33.239 --> 01:08:36.039
awkward, Like what am I still
say? You took my car, that's

1020
01:08:36.079 --> 01:08:39.159
what you said. They're already putting
all their stuff in there. Whatever.

1021
01:08:39.199 --> 01:08:41.560
I'm just like, you know what, I'll just grab another Cardo'll carry on

1022
01:08:41.640 --> 01:08:44.920
with my day, get your al
It was just very weird to me in

1023
01:08:44.960 --> 01:08:48.560
general that the Starbucks thing happened and
the grocery store thing happened in the same

1024
01:08:48.640 --> 01:08:54.039
day, two similar situations, different
venues, different parts of town, but

1025
01:08:54.479 --> 01:08:56.479
they both happened to me in the
same day. In a way, I

1026
01:08:56.520 --> 01:08:58.920
was thinking, like Ashton Kutcher was
going to pop out and say that I

1027
01:08:58.960 --> 01:09:01.880
was being pranked in bad What is
happening in three is Yeah, maybe there

1028
01:09:01.920 --> 01:09:04.199
was another thing that happened. I
did have to sit through that three hour

1029
01:09:04.279 --> 01:09:08.760
meeting yesterday. Good point. That
was it. That was pretty frustrating.

1030
01:09:08.760 --> 01:09:12.520
But whatever. Anyway back to I
don't even know what we were talking.

1031
01:09:12.560 --> 01:09:15.560
We're about to talk about Texas Technics, Texas Pokerup. Let's go. What

1032
01:09:15.640 --> 01:09:19.239
do you got. We're going to
Texas. We are going to Texas Champions

1033
01:09:19.239 --> 01:09:25.239
Club. We're running a three thousand
and eight thirty three hundred dollars buy in

1034
01:09:25.319 --> 01:09:30.119
main event, two million dollar guaranteed
prize bawl. You will own PGT points

1035
01:09:30.119 --> 01:09:35.000
in this event. There's eight starting
flights, four normal ones, four turbos

1036
01:09:35.039 --> 01:09:39.359
at night at one in the morning. It's going to be pretty huge.

1037
01:09:39.479 --> 01:09:43.279
It's at Champions Club in Houston,
Texas. Great venue, great food,

1038
01:09:43.359 --> 01:09:47.399
great staff, great hotel. Really
liked that property. Along with the thirty

1039
01:09:47.399 --> 01:09:53.079
three hundred dollars by a main event, there are seven high rollers. There's

1040
01:09:53.079 --> 01:09:57.239
going to be bang. Yeah,
there's gonna be three one day kind of

1041
01:09:57.279 --> 01:10:01.399
turbos five fifty one hundred dollars buy
limit hold them. You know, we're

1042
01:10:01.399 --> 01:10:05.159
doing the normal discounted rake for on
time, so it's either fifty three or

1043
01:10:05.199 --> 01:10:10.039
fifty one. They're going to finish
in one day. What's the main event

1044
01:10:10.199 --> 01:10:14.760
is at the final table. We
are now onto our normal kind of two

1045
01:10:14.840 --> 01:10:17.119
day thing playdown on the Final table. We're streaming every day of the main

1046
01:10:17.359 --> 01:10:20.560
We're going to stream these final four
high rollers. We have a five K

1047
01:10:20.680 --> 01:10:24.560
no limit, a five KPLO,
a ten K no limit, a ten

1048
01:10:24.640 --> 01:10:30.319
kplow, lots of PGT points up
for grabs, eight total events where you

1049
01:10:30.319 --> 01:10:36.000
can earn PGT points, lots of
satellites for the main event. I think

1050
01:10:36.159 --> 01:10:40.560
champions are still ironing out some details, but there are turbo satellites, there's

1051
01:10:40.600 --> 01:10:44.600
milestone satellites. You know, we're
talking two hundred and fifty dollars buy ins,

1052
01:10:44.600 --> 01:10:47.000
five hundred and fifty dollars buy ins
to get into the thirty three hundred

1053
01:10:47.039 --> 01:10:51.680
dollars main event. There's also a
four hundred dollars monster stack. There's a

1054
01:10:51.880 --> 01:10:56.600
three sixty multi flight at the very
end of the series. There's an eleven

1055
01:10:56.680 --> 01:11:02.119
hundred Turbo. There's events for everyone. I advise you to book a few

1056
01:11:02.239 --> 01:11:08.119
nights. Champions Club come down,
play the main, play, some satellites

1057
01:11:08.159 --> 01:11:11.279
play some mains for sure. Going
to be juicy, Yeah, it has

1058
01:11:11.359 --> 01:11:15.079
to be. It's Texas. Yeah, it's Texas. It's going to be.

1059
01:11:15.640 --> 01:11:18.479
It's it's it's going to be a
fun little trip. The series is

1060
01:11:18.600 --> 01:11:24.119
April twenty fourth to May fifth.
The main event kicks off on the twenty

1061
01:11:24.119 --> 01:11:29.720
fourth, with Day one a shot
clocks forty minute levels moving into sixty minute

1062
01:11:29.800 --> 01:11:32.239
levels streaming every day of the main
event. Jeff Platt, Brent Hanks on

1063
01:11:32.279 --> 01:11:36.960
the call on the Pogo YouTube channel
every day day one a coverage of the

1064
01:11:38.000 --> 01:11:41.920
main Day one, c so forth, et cetera, all the way on.

1065
01:11:43.159 --> 01:11:47.840
Supposedly he is playing some events.
I don't know what that means.

1066
01:11:48.000 --> 01:11:53.159
Does that mean the main is and
my role is maybe he's only playing some

1067
01:11:53.319 --> 01:11:58.439
cash games. I don't know bet
he is coming. I've heard I've heard

1068
01:11:58.720 --> 01:12:02.000
some other names coming. Ki Chiwi, Osmas, Victoria, Liveshits might be

1069
01:12:02.039 --> 01:12:08.680
going down. I believe the foction's
I've heard it falls at a good time,

1070
01:12:09.000 --> 01:12:12.640
right, you know, right before
WPT Chalk TAW. So you know,

1071
01:12:12.720 --> 01:12:15.600
you can make kind of that sort
of swing hit hit Texas, drive

1072
01:12:15.640 --> 01:12:18.560
on up to Chalk Taw, play
that for the World Poker tourunt They always

1073
01:12:18.560 --> 01:12:21.760
get a really good turnout for that. Chalktaw events very popular, so,

1074
01:12:23.319 --> 01:12:29.520
you know, two very good you
know, mid mid stakes price points for

1075
01:12:29.880 --> 01:12:32.199
those events, big guarantees on offer
as you mentioned. Then if you're someone

1076
01:12:32.199 --> 01:12:34.920
who likes to play higher as well, you know, I definitely think it

1077
01:12:34.960 --> 01:12:40.600
does benefit you in terms of what's
being offered on the PGT side. You

1078
01:12:40.640 --> 01:12:44.119
can grab some points there. There's
gonna be a ton of them up for

1079
01:12:44.239 --> 01:12:47.479
grabs as things go. So so
yeah, it's a nice little uh,

1080
01:12:47.560 --> 01:12:50.800
it's a nice little series. I
hope it does very well, you know.

1081
01:12:50.840 --> 01:12:58.159
I know, we definitely have aspirations
of taking the PGT outside of Vegas,

1082
01:12:58.159 --> 01:13:01.039
outside of the studio, and this
is the first step in that direction,

1083
01:13:01.439 --> 01:13:04.359
our first try at it, you
know, our first swing, and

1084
01:13:04.399 --> 01:13:09.800
it's a it's a fairly big swing
with what we're doing here. So maybe

1085
01:13:09.800 --> 01:13:14.159
this is something where we can replicate
it elsewhere. You know, I think

1086
01:13:14.399 --> 01:13:18.600
I've always thought a PGT type of
series could do well in Texas. Yes,

1087
01:13:18.680 --> 01:13:25.000
but also Florida, I think is
a possibility. Possibly somewhere on the

1088
01:13:25.039 --> 01:13:29.000
east coast, maybe another you know, I'm talking like northeast. You know,

1089
01:13:29.000 --> 01:13:31.880
it could be another opportunity. So
yeah, you know, we'll we'll

1090
01:13:31.920 --> 01:13:35.039
see how it goes for this first
one. But we all, I think

1091
01:13:35.079 --> 01:13:43.319
we're all very much well aware of
how popular and how much growth there has

1092
01:13:43.399 --> 01:13:46.319
been on the Texas poker scene.
So yeah, it's kind of only natural

1093
01:13:46.399 --> 01:13:51.800
that we try and dip our toes
into that area, into that region and

1094
01:13:51.840 --> 01:13:56.520
really try and grab hold of it. I know that, Yes, it's

1095
01:13:56.560 --> 01:14:00.760
it's obviously one thing to go down
there with lower buying stuff, you know,

1096
01:14:01.279 --> 01:14:05.479
and that's great, that's all well
and good. But I think a

1097
01:14:05.479 --> 01:14:10.319
lot of these Texas people or people
within that region have a lot of money.

1098
01:14:10.359 --> 01:14:12.880
Man. I think they're willing to
blast off. So I think some

1099
01:14:12.880 --> 01:14:15.680
of these high rollers might be a
little bit crazy. I actually just got

1100
01:14:15.680 --> 01:14:18.600
a text message from Champions Club,
like a promotional text messages. They're running

1101
01:14:18.640 --> 01:14:24.439
Step one, Step two satellites Milestone
Stateellite starting in seventy five bucks. You

1102
01:14:24.439 --> 01:14:27.439
know, win a seat into a
thirty three hundred dollars buy in two million

1103
01:14:27.479 --> 01:14:30.840
dollars guarantee Ryan now at Champions Club
in Houston, seventy five dollars. I

1104
01:14:30.840 --> 01:14:33.520
mean that's that's awesome. We don't
need to go early and try and get

1105
01:14:33.520 --> 01:14:36.840
a seat. Yeah, you should
go early and try and get a seat.

1106
01:14:38.239 --> 01:14:42.359
You got anything else for us?
I think that's it. Okay,

1107
01:14:42.359 --> 01:14:46.039
cool because I think we've gone quite
long here. Yeah, but whatever I

1108
01:14:46.079 --> 01:14:49.640
told Tim yesterday, I'm going to
put it out there now. Oh here

1109
01:14:49.640 --> 01:14:53.880
we go, Well, here we
go? What Okay? To continue,

1110
01:14:54.119 --> 01:14:56.760
I need to get better at doing
the podcast, like in terms of like

1111
01:14:57.239 --> 01:15:01.279
the frequency that we're doing this.
Yes, I agree, so going forward

1112
01:15:01.720 --> 01:15:06.880
every day from now. No,
I can't. I can't just roll out

1113
01:15:06.920 --> 01:15:10.880
of bed and be Matt Burkey like
I just I just don't have that time

1114
01:15:10.960 --> 01:15:13.000
and that much stuff to talk about. I can't. I can't do it,

1115
01:15:13.359 --> 01:15:15.880
you know. I mean we have
shout out to well, he's got

1116
01:15:15.880 --> 01:15:20.000
a job too, he plays poker. I mean, listen, doing the

1117
01:15:20.000 --> 01:15:24.239
podcast every day like Burkey and those
guys do that, that's a job,

1118
01:15:24.319 --> 01:15:28.319
trust me, a lot of work. So it's it's not easy by any

1119
01:15:28.359 --> 01:15:31.079
means, but you know, we
got we have to just stick to once

1120
01:15:31.119 --> 01:15:33.399
a week. We can't be blowing
this. And then of course, you

1121
01:15:33.439 --> 01:15:39.359
know, we'll have daily shows during
the summer for the World Series of Poker,

1122
01:15:39.399 --> 01:15:42.039
which at this point is just going
to be here before we know it,

1123
01:15:42.079 --> 01:15:45.560
because it's just it feels like every
day that goes by, we're just

1124
01:15:45.159 --> 01:15:49.399
we're so much closer than just a
day closer, you know. I was,

1125
01:15:49.479 --> 01:15:53.720
Oh, I mean, I guess
quickly. I played the WSB Circuit

1126
01:15:53.920 --> 01:15:58.880
main events at Horseshoe. What I
want to say is that I was in

1127
01:15:58.960 --> 01:16:05.079
the Normandy Ballroom upstairs on the I
guess, the Jubilee side of Horseshoe.

1128
01:16:05.479 --> 01:16:11.560
So if you're looking at the Hall
of Fame poker room that's called which is

1129
01:16:11.600 --> 01:16:16.319
the regular Horseshoe Casino poker room.
If you're looking at it, right to

1130
01:16:16.399 --> 01:16:20.399
the left you have the Jubilee Theater, and then to the right there is

1131
01:16:20.840 --> 01:16:27.119
a cafe, and then right to
the right of the cafe are two escalators,

1132
01:16:27.199 --> 01:16:29.600
one up, one down. You
go up. That's where you go

1133
01:16:29.760 --> 01:16:33.000
up to the Normandy Ballroom. There's
actually another ballroom above it if you take

1134
01:16:33.000 --> 01:16:36.800
another set of escalators up. But
that first one to the right is where

1135
01:16:38.159 --> 01:16:42.920
they had the circuit events. And
it was nice. I mean, everything

1136
01:16:42.920 --> 01:16:45.920
that I saw said that they were
newly renovated. They looked newly renovated.

1137
01:16:45.079 --> 01:16:48.399
You know, everything looked updated.
The carpets looked nice, et cetera.

1138
01:16:48.600 --> 01:16:54.239
They had fifty tables in the room
that I was in. They had a

1139
01:16:54.239 --> 01:16:58.159
separate cage in there. They had
fifty tables. They had a couple Caesar

1140
01:16:58.239 --> 01:17:01.239
sportsbooks, kiosks, they had a
couple of massage chairs, et cetera.

1141
01:17:01.359 --> 01:17:06.560
So that's where I believe that they
said they're going to be putting the deep

1142
01:17:06.600 --> 01:17:11.239
Sacks tournaments during the WSOP. I'm
talking about the daily Deep Sacks, not

1143
01:17:11.279 --> 01:17:13.880
the you know, the bracelet events, but the daily Deep Sacks and then

1144
01:17:13.920 --> 01:17:18.640
also the satellites. So it's quite
separate from you know, the main horseshoe

1145
01:17:18.680 --> 01:17:23.600
area for the tournaments and then also
Paris, but it's it's a nice little

1146
01:17:23.600 --> 01:17:27.159
space that those people are going to
have. There is also a hotel tower

1147
01:17:27.399 --> 01:17:31.159
right there and the elevators excuse me, come down like right onto that floor.

1148
01:17:31.199 --> 01:17:33.359
You can get off and walk right
there. So if you're a guy

1149
01:17:33.399 --> 01:17:36.760
who comes out and you want to
fire, you know, a handful of

1150
01:17:36.800 --> 01:17:41.319
daily Detach tournaments play some satellites,
et cetera. I would say, and

1151
01:17:41.560 --> 01:17:44.239
you're going to stay at the Horseshoe, try and book that tower because then

1152
01:17:44.279 --> 01:17:45.920
it's just quick up and down.
It's right there. So it was very

1153
01:17:46.000 --> 01:17:49.239
nice over there. I was pleasantly
surprised. You know, last year when

1154
01:17:49.239 --> 01:17:51.720
they had the circuit event at the
Horseshoe in Vegas, it was on the

1155
01:17:51.760 --> 01:17:56.159
main casino floor in the middle of
the smoke. It was a giant pain

1156
01:17:56.319 --> 01:18:00.760
for those of us trying to play. The smoke was just way too much.

1157
01:18:00.800 --> 01:18:03.479
You had all the noise, the
music from the people playing slot machines

1158
01:18:03.520 --> 01:18:06.439
and all that sort of stuff.
But not this time. Is a very

1159
01:18:06.439 --> 01:18:11.560
good area up there, kind of
set away from everything. You got your

1160
01:18:11.600 --> 01:18:15.640
own little space to play. And
again they crammed fifty tables into that place,

1161
01:18:15.640 --> 01:18:18.399
so I counted them up, so
that's quite a lot of tables.

1162
01:18:18.439 --> 01:18:23.920
So yeah, But anyway, that's
the second time I kind of threw something

1163
01:18:23.960 --> 01:18:26.720
in here that didn't need to be
in here. But anyway, we're gonna

1164
01:18:26.720 --> 01:18:30.560
get out of here. My name
is Donnie Peters. His name is Tim

1165
01:18:30.640 --> 01:18:32.760
Duckworth, and we will talk to
you guys next week, I promise next week