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June sixth, twenty twenty four allegedly
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This is the show you were looking
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Because you found it the o'celly effect. And we are broadcasting live on

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a thurs Day in twenty twenty four. Now this is an early show,

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actually just a bit after nearly twenty
minutes after six pm Eastern time in what

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we used to call America. But
it's a live early show. Why are

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we adjusting our time? Well,
because I have doctor David Mantick with me.

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And why do I have doctor David
Mantick with me? Because not just

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because he's a you know, an
interesting author, a cool guy, and

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wrote a book with your own corsi
recently. No, not at all.

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Actually, today I want to focus
on this book I'm holding in my hand

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for those of you you you know, playing the theater of the mind game

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at home and not watching the video. I'm holding a book called Decoded.

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Okay, the JFK Assassination Decoded Criminal
forgery in the autopsy photographs and X rays.

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Now that's a mouthful. And that
is the title that the book was

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settled on, although I'm told it
was printed maybe with a slightly different title

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before. But either way. This
book is not your common here's my theory,

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here's a couple things to support it. Here's why I think other people

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are wrong. And here's my stunner, my gotcha, my special piece of

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information that I think is special book. And yes, I'm mocking some people,

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but you don't know who they are. I'm not going to name him.

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It's not one of those. It's
not a well written version of that.

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It's not a poorly written version of
that, not at all. This

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is more like something you put on
your bookshelf because it's a reference book visually

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and by the text contained within.
It's a reference material. It is something

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that you could turn to to get
various pieces of information. And you don't

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even here's the fun part. You
don't even necessarily have to agree with everything

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doctor Mantick lays out, because he's
showing you a whole lot of evidence that

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you could interpret for yourself. Even
so, it has multiple purposes, of

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course, doctor Mantick tells you,
and I haven't read the entire thing because

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I've had to go back over certain
parts, and we're going to focus on

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a few of the images. For
those of you catching the video, it'll

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make more sense, but it's okay. You can play the theater of the

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mind game, which I love about
radio anyway, along with us tonight here

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on this Thursday. So enough out
of me. First of all, how

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you doing tonight, doctor Mantick.
Very well, good to see you,

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Chuck. Yes, look, it's
good to see and hear from you,

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for sure, and I'm looking forward
to this now. You're a doctor for

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more than one reason, and you
know, not just a guy that I

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did encounter probably first in the book
Assassination Science in the late nineties. I

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was thinking about did I see you
in articles or anything before that? But

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for clarity's sake, you had done
some conferences. But the first time your

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work on this case was printed in
a book was Assassination Science, which was

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a compilation of various authors assembled by
James Fetzer in the late nineties, right,

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nineteen ninety eight, Well, there
you go, nineteen ninety eight,

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late nineties. I'm close enough.
But this book is a couple of years

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old now, and I am super
shocked actually as I look over the you

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know, the reception from the community, et cetera, that there wasn't a

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whole lot more. I don't know
laudable commentary on this, because you literally

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did create a reference material, a
textbook in a way. Again, even

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if you don't necessarily agree with every
conclusion or every supposition that you might have

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offered along the way throughout the book, you've created something loaded with tons of

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reference material that is extremely valuable to
have all in one relatively small space compared

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to the voluminous library of information that
someone could attain on the case. I

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mean, are you a little surprised
that you didn't get I don't know more

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people saying, hey, this is
a unique thing that you should definitely consider

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adding to your collection. If you're
someone that so wishes to be serious about

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the exploration of the assassination of John
F. Kennedy, I'm curious about that.

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First off, Well, I am
a little surprised, but you have

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to realize that although quite a lot
of people are interested in the assassination of

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JFK not so very many are interested
in the medical aspects of the assassination.

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So it's a very limited audience and
we have to keep that in mind.

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Now. I went I had another
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full of color illustrations which are otherwise
surprisingly difficult to find, and that's another

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reason why it could be reviewed.
It could be viewed as a textbook,

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just as you said. Oh yeah, and I'm glad that you put it

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more eloquently than myself. But that's
true. I mean, it is absolutely

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packed. By the way, We're
not talking about a couple of very nice

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photos or some you know, a
small section of photos throughout the entire volume,

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or various illustrations. Some of them
are from historical evidence, others our

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original creations, some of them are
adaptations of previously seen images. I mean,

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you run the gamuty here, like
I said, very much like a

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textbook would do. Right, Here's
what evidence we may have here is an

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ill stration of something that seems to
have occurred based on X y Z information.

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I mean, this is really I
think people don't understand the level of

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work that goes into assembling something like
this. So again I want to point

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out this is a unique piece.
And just because it shows a poprie of

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a few samples of the images on
the back cover, oh, you're right.

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As a matter of fact, we
have Now I'm going to act like

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I don't really know a lot during
this discussion, because I want you to

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explain things. But fact is,
I mean I see just turning it over

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and looking at the back cover.
First of all, that looks like Sarah

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Wack. Is that Serah Wick.
It is Sarah Wack with my two children.

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The late Ciri Wack is up in
the upper left hand corner, which

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you know sad to have seen him
past recently, and we'll be doing a

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tribute to him at the Lancer conference, which I hope lots of people will

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add some audio commentary into more on
that later from you guys. Back to

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the back cover here, gee,
it looks like I see the Harper fragment.

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I see maybe a frame from the
let's see a frame from the NIXT

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film. I see illustration of a
skull. I mean, there is a

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lot of stuff happening here. Sorry, but just to show you guys on

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camera for those of you watching a
video on Rumble or wherever it is,

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we're gonna wind up being able allowed
to post this. I'm not sure if

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YouTube will let us because some of
the imagery might be graphic, but I

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know Rumble will allow this, and
a few other channels will. But there's

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an interesting array just on the back
cover. You're correct, sir, I

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didn't even think of that. So
let's get into this book unless you want

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to talk a little bit about why
it is you felt it necessary to construct

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this I'm imagining because you couldn't find
one for yourself. A lot of people

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that decide to write books about this
or decide to add something significant to the

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literature, decide to do it because
they found a gap in the information.

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Is it that you said to yourself, you know, I wish I had

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a reference book, I might as
well make one myself. Or was there

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another reason for this? Well,
another reason is that it basically is a

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summation of three or four decades of
work on the JFK assassination. And I

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thought it would be useful to have
it all in one volume for anybody who

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was interested. Okay, so a
composite of all of your work. Again,

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if you go from ninety eight two
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twenty eighteen twenty two thousand. Well, geez, here we go, right,

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I mean you're talking three decades worth
the work. Yes, So okay,

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let's begin with what we should begin
with. Now. You gave me

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a couple of pages to focus on
tonight, and I want to get right

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to them, to hit people kind
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you don't mind, although don't literally
do that. It's a little heavy,

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but the thing is, let's hit
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I think it's important. The first
image that that you directed me to is

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before page one, so I'm gonna
hold that up for people, and I

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know what this is, but maybe
you could describe it and tell us why

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this is here and what the text
is about. In the image, I'm

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caught on my wire. But there
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that is towards the center of the
page. It shows the official anterior posterior

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X ray of JFK, supposedly taken
at the autopsy. What it's really strange

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here is the six point five centimeter
white, nearly round object inside JFK's right

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orbit. Now, if you can't
see it here, you can find it

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online very easily. This, however, is not what doctor James Hume saw

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the night of the autopsy. Now
how can that be? This is the

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official photograph X ray, but this
is not what James Hume saw. What

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he saw was the X ray image
on the lateral side, and the difference

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is that the six point five milimeter
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Look carefully inside the right orbit.
Hm, okay, well, look

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photoshopped in order to show what most
likely doctor James Hume saw that night.

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It was just a tiny sliver of
a piece of metal. It was not

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that six point five millimeter object that
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in the National Archives. Now,
just for clarity's sake, a question here.

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This is the enhanced version of the
of the X ray though, right,

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this is not. Yeah, this
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on a Assassinations. And I use
this because if I use the unenhanced ones,

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you would miss an awful lot of
detail. So this is really the

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only viable means present the X rays
visually. This is the best presentable image

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because I have seen the other Yeah, it's almost unusable if we use the

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un enhanced images, right, I
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at a photograph of smoke. Really, if you look at the raw image,

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from my understanding, that's almost what
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discern. And here's the interesting part
about this. You might have some particular

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I don't know, life experience that
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Huh, could you tell us about
that a little bit. I'm not quite

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sure what you mean by a life
experience here. Are you talking about my

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viewing the X rays at the archives? Yes, yeah, of course.

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I have, of course, on
nine occasions seen the actual X rays at

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the archives, and seeing them in
person is not at all like looking at

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these printed images, Nor is it
like looking at the unenhanced image. Right,

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looking at a paper reproduction is not
like looking at the actual X ray.

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So I've done that nine times.
But I can tell you that this

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is the best we can do in
print right now. This is the best

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thing to show to the layman,
or to show to anybody really, to

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give them the best view of it. And it's meaningful. It's not misleading.

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It's meaningful. We can see where
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we can see where the air is
in the skull, and we can

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see where the metal fragments are.
So it's all meaningful. So what is

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the significance to this outside of the
fact that the autopsy doctor does not see

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something that is clearly in the image, and he's allegedly looking at it that

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night as it's being produced, and
also has an X ray person with him,

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right, actually a team of guys. There's two guys running back and

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worth developing X rays, and there's
somebody there to read the X rays,

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another doctor to help him with this. So it's not all Hume's interpretation.

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He's got himself, the two other
autopsis and an X ray doctor. You

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know, why is the proper term
eluding me? You know what I'm talking

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about though, And he's got a
whole team of people there to interpret this

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and say, again, what is
it that he doesn't see? So during

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the Assassination Records Review Board in the
nineteen nineties, these X rays were shown,

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not these pictures, but the actual
X rays were shown to the three

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autopsy pathologists, and they, independently, each one of them denied that they

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had seen that six point five millimeter
apparent cross section of a bullet during the

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autopsy. It wasn't there. They
all agreed on that. Now I had

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the opportunity to ask John Episol that
question. Io. No official government investigation

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ever asked John Eversall that question,
which is very unfortunate. It's quite an

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oversight. But I did have that
opportunity to ask him that during a telephone

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conversation which I recorded and which today
is at the National Archives. It has

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also been transcribed and appears in Murder
in Dealey Plaza, one of the books

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edited by James Fetzer. Right the
minute I asked doctor John Eversall, the

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radiologist, about that object, he
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He never spoke to anyone ever again
about the jfk assassination. That question was

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far too sensitive to address. And
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more authenticity to what it is you
just described, I'm certain you're not aware

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entirely that I've only been able to
count for people that actually got an inner

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view with ever saw whatever condition it
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for they actually spoke to him,
because the record exists, okay, or

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I have personal knowledge of it.
Only four people have ever had more than

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a question or two answered by this
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Yeah, the first one was not
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was recorded. There you go.
But at least I'm really thrilled you got

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the second one because it's very rare
to have heard from him. And here's

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the fun fact. Every time somebody
asks a serious question that contradicts Okay,

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you know anything that terminates the interview
with with Eversaul. That's what it always

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did, whether it was in a
library near Pittsburgh, or whether it happened

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on the border of New Jersey and
Pennsylvania, or it happened over the phone

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with you. It seems to be
a consistent pattern that as soon as you

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ask him a question where he's got
to kind of be confronted by an inconsistency

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in the evidence, the interview is
over. And that's led other people to

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wind up speaking to technicians who were
working on the X rays that night,

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like Rebe and Custer, right,
And they've asked questions and guess what more

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inconsistencies come up in the story?
Is any of what I just said inaccurate

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in your mind? No, this
is right on target, Chuck, would

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work on your part. I would
also add, though, that the X

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rays were publicly viewed by I think
dozens of people at the autopsy that night.

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There was one purpose, one purpose
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and that was to find substantial bullet
fragments that could be related to the assassination,

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right, and none were found there
was no discussion by anyone about that

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six point five millimeter object. No
one saw it. So there you have

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it. The seemingly not an National
Archives either, I can tell you that.

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Well, there you go. See
that's the next question right before we

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move on to the next image that
you pointed out to me. Yeah,

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so since you were at the National
Archives, Hey, is it there?

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No, it's not there. It's
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it being there. So just in
the enhancement we see this thing very clearly

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and amazing. Okay, so people
trained to find this, who were looking

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for metal fragments at the time,
didn't find it. All right, it

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gets even worse. Well, if
this is truly a piece of metal,

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it's got to be very long from
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and with my measurements via optical density, I know that it's probably several

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centimeters long at least from front to
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lateral X ray, you can hardly
see anything resembling that. John Fitzpatrick was

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the best expert called by the AORRB, and he was so troubled by not

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seeing it on the lateral X ray
that he asked for a second day to

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look at the lateral X ray to
see if he could explain this discrepancy,

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and the ARB's top expert totally failed
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up. So this is the biggest
mystery we've ever seen in all of diagnostic

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radiology since X rays were discovered.
So, based on the intensity of the

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image that is presented there, you
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again we're not talking about a sliver, a thin, itty bitty fragment,

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even according to what's on the image. This is a substantial piece of mental

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right many centimeters long by optical density
measurements. In fact, I compared the

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optical density measurements of this object to
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There were four to five of these
lined up in a row, and

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this object, based on the data, is supposedly longer from front to back

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than all of those mercury silver amalgams
piled up in a row. This makes

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absolutely no sense. This is not
the universe I live in. So again,

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to try and bring it down to
some layman's terms in case you're a

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little confused, fillings and stuff in
the teeth that are made with mercury and

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some other metal. Those things they
appear and they don't look anything like this

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object, or I should say,
they are less substantial. And there are

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fillings in the teeth, multiple fillings, which obviously should line up to be

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much bigger than a bullet fragment,
but in fact do not according to your

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measurements. Right, So we've we've
got a comparison on the same X ray

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film. We've got mercury silver amalgams
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on the left side. I've done
all those measurements. Nothing makes sense,

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so you can't even put the data
in order. But look, let's sticking

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with the X ray. You go
to a image. Let's see on page

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eight or nine here, I forget
which one you wanted me to go to,

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but either way, images on both
pages. What am I looking at

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here? Oh? This is the
white patch? So the white patch?

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What do you mean by the white
patch? And I mean I've actually seen

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you give this presentation. I love
this, but before we get to the

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punchline on it, what do you
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ray? Please, in the Prince, this really looks like a white patch.

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And if you look at the image
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it actually looks like a white patch. And I was able to actually measure

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with the optical decetometer the exact borders
of this object, and it really is

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quite consistent with what I've drawn here
using the red marker showing a periphery raise

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it up a little bit right there, or this part that part that's it

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right there. I was also able
to compare the optical density numbers to the

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petrus bone, which is shown in
this image. It's the bone that surrounds

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the external ear canal, okay,
and the measurements were almost the same for

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those two areas. If they are
the same, that would imply that the

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white patch covers up bone all the
way from the left side to the right

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side on JFK's head, And you
would have no recourse but to call him

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a bonehead because of that, because
literally to the solid bone from left to

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right, a solid chunk of bone
is present. That's what the numbers would

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suggest virtually that much based on the
comparison to the petrus bone, which is

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the dentst bone in the human body. But it's worse than that, because

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we can also look at the lateral
X ray and we cannot find this dense

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object on the lateral X ray.
It doesn't appear anywhere on the lateral X

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ray. What kind of reality is
this? What kind of universe is this?

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In anytime I see a dense object
on one view, I see a

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dense object on the other view,
but that does not happen here. Well,

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what this means, And again,
I'm sorry to go back over things,

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but I want to make this real
clear. What you're saying is that,

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Okay, let's imagine for a moment
that there was a problem with the

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machine or the creation of the X
rays, okay, and it's creating inconsistencies

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because something you would find that those
inconsistencies, the wild idea about how thick

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the bone appears in the image,
would occur over and over again because the

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machine is not right, you know, the actual creation of the image sort

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of like when you when you have
poor exposure on a photograph and it's almost

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completely washed out, no color on
it because there was too much light allowed

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into the iris of a photograph.
You go, well, it's going to

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be like that throughout the entire on
both the left and the right lateral X

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ray, not just on one lateral
X ray. Oh right. And it

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does not up here on any of
the other X rays taken of JFK in

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the autopsies, not on the tess
X rays, not on the abdominal X

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race, not on the extremity X
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left and the right lateral X ray. This is not accidental. This is

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deliberate. See. But that's my
point is wouldn't it be fair to say

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that not only are the X rays
inconsistent with each other here because they make

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no sense based on the fact that
you'd be looking at comparative bones in the

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same setting, but they're inconsistent with
each other and they're inconsistent with reality in

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general, the way things should turn
out in the X ray. So you

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have the double inconsistency here. Is
that correct? You're absolutely right? Now.

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The image adjacent to this show the
images again. There are two of

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them here. Yes, I will
get to medial image that's near the center

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of the page is a pre mortem
X ray of JFK. Before he died,

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he had no white patch. White
patch only appeared after he died.

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What are the odds of that.
So the part where his bone head appears

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right, where it appears to be
solid bone, yes, only appears post

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mortem. Only after he dies does
he become a bonehead. Now, this

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is based not just on looking at
these images. It is based on actual

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measurements of the pre mortem X ray
in Boston by doctor Michael Chesser using an

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optical densitometer. So we're talking about
real data, real science here, right,

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and just subjective opinions, right,
Michael Chester. You could find presentations

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by him on some of the medical
evidence as well, and indeed he does

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some of the similar measurements. It's
previous to him, by the way.

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And yourself, I'd never heard of
anybody doing a test like this on the

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evidence. I think you were the
first one. And then he was using

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the same scientific method, probably inspired
by you, Is that right? Yeah,

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that's correct. The HSCA in the
seventies, of course should have done

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this, but these so called experts
were all two up tooths for this.

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They didn't even think about it.
Well, you know, if you're not

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really chasing after an answer anyway,
Sorry, I have my apologies there.

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Perhaps we should move along to other
things that involved the head of JFK.

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I mean, we're only dealing with
the head so far, but why not.

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There's a lot to be said here. And here's where I think on

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page seventy seven is the next one
that you want to go to? Well,

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we could look at page nine,
the very next one. Oh no

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o, care go there image,
and I'm going to focus on the T

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shaped in Now I have to emphasize
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We are not allowed to show JFK's
other lateral X ray. Only one

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is in the public domain. Move
over to the next page there, chuck,

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Yeah, there you go. Now
you're getting there. This is an

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anonymous patient that I used as a
model. But on this X ray I

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drew this T shaped inscription lying on
its side. This mimics what I saw

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on the other lateral X ray.
Now, the question is what is that

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T shaped inscription about? And the
answer is it is irrelevant. What is

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relevant is the quality or the nature
of the image that it forms. This

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T shaped inscription must have been must
have been created by removing the emulsion to

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create the tea. And you can
remove emulsion easily with your fingernail or any

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piece of nail material or a file
something. In the process, you're removing

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the emulsion from the film, right, something with a bit of an edge

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that is rigid. You can scratch
away some of the emulsion, which is

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basically this black stuff that is sort
of attached to the plastic in a layman's

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term, and when you scrape it
away, now the absence of the emulsion

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forms the image you see. Right. It's very easy to see where the

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emulsion has been scraped off. If
we were here in reality rather than on

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video, your viewers could see a
piece of film on which I've done that,

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and they could say, oh,
yeah, it's obvious it's missing.

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I can see it with my eyes. It's hard to demonstrate in the video

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though. So when I was at
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I asked Steve Tilley to take the
X ray, this particular X ray,

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out of its transparent plastic container.
Okay, this is the only time

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I actually ask him to do that, Otherwise I was looking through a transparent

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envelope. Basically, well, they
keep him in a semi rigid plastic sea

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through things so that effectively nobody's handling
it, touching it with their fingers damaging

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it. So Steve Tilley's wearing his
gloves as I was, and he agreed

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to do that. He actually took
the X ray out so I could see

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the surface directly with nothing in between, and lo and behold, there's no

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emulsion missing. It's all intact.
The emulsion is entirely intact on both sides.

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And believe me, I looked very
carefully on both sides, shining the

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light at every possible angle to make
sure I wasn't missing anything. There is

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no emulsion missing in a typical X
ray film, though there is emotion on

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one side of basically a clear piece
of plastic I mean, for lack of

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a better description, is that right? Usually in the old days when we

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use physical films, there was emulsion
on both sides well in nineteen sixty three,

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and there was also in nineteen sixty
three. Okay, so these films

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all have emulsion on both sides.
This film, too, also had emulsion

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on both sides. But I looked
at both sides and there's no emotion missing

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anywhere. So this cannot possibly be
an original film. The only thing it

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can be is a copy of an
original film. The copy had no emulsions

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scraped off, so naturally I wouldn't
see it. But because it's such high

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fidelity, it would retain the actual
T shaped inscription from the original which would

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appear on the copy, which basically
mul would be there, still be there

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because nobody scraped it off the copy. They only scraped it off the original

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because it means that the emotionion is
still present, but now it's kind of

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clear as opposed to dark like it
would have been without the damage you're scraping.

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Yes, yes, so what's the
point. The point is that this

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is not it cannot be an original
X ray film. It is a copy.

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And yet the Archives keeps telling all
of us and wrote this to me

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in a letter. They said,
all of these films are originals. That's

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false. They cannot be originals simply
based on this argument. If you're looking

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for smoking guns, well, this
is even worse. This is like Moses

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burning Bush. This is transparently obviously
a copy film that cannot be an original.

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So the Archives is wrong. They
don't even understand stand what they have.

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Okay, So what this means is
that whether the Archives is aware of

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anything or they're completely ignorant, at
some point a copy film was put in

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place of what should be an original
piece of evidence here one way or another.

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Yes, Now you don't necessarily know
exactly at what point in the chain

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that was done, the chain of
custody. Yeah we do. Oh you

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do, okay, of course,
Okay, so we'll get to that,

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I guess, unless you want to
lay it out here, well, this

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is a good opportunity. Sure.
John Eversall was recalled to the White House

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in December nineteen sixty three. This
was shortly after the assassination, and he

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said that the reason he was recalled
there was to take measurements in order to

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make a bust of JFK's head.
Now, why would you want to make

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a bust based on an X ray
in which virtually all the bones were shattered?

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Yeah, I would think a nice, healthy looking photograph of him might

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be. I don't know the better
way to go. You know. Of

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course, this is all nonsense,
and I think doctor Eversall understood that,

409
00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:01.680
but he had to say something,
so that's what he said. Anyway,

410
00:33:01.720 --> 00:33:07.160
what he did while he was at
the White House was very telling. He

411
00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:14.000
used a pencil to draw a straight
line on one of the X rays.

412
00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:21.079
It's still there. I saw it. It's only on one side of this

413
00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:23.519
X ray, not on the other
side, which means that it's not a

414
00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:31.480
copy. The X ray line I
saw was placed by John Eversall in December

415
00:33:31.839 --> 00:33:37.839
nineteen sixty three. In other words, all the changes in the X rays

416
00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:45.200
were made before John Eversall made that
visit. Wow, well, this is

417
00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:50.079
really fascinating. And again I haven't
seen this. I have seen this before

418
00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:54.240
in your writing. But generally speaking
a lot of people get lost in this

419
00:33:54.400 --> 00:33:59.640
maze, right because it's kind of
hard to figure it out as you go.

420
00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:02.839
But with these illustrations, at the
very least, we can see directly

421
00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:07.680
what's happening. And now this is
this is big, big stuff. This

422
00:34:07.759 --> 00:34:13.719
is critical forensic evidence of when this
happened and who almost certainly had to do

423
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:17.840
it. Only John Eversoll had the
creativity and experience to do this, although

424
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:22.440
he didn't seem to have the creative
knowledge to understand how to make things a

425
00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:25.519
little more realistic. Or then again, maybe he wasn't, maybe time was

426
00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:30.800
limited. Okay, but remember this
also, John Eversoll told me that he

427
00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:35.039
had a hobby. Can you imagine
what it was? Oh? Boy,

428
00:34:36.199 --> 00:34:45.320
I'm gonna guess liked who write crime
mysteries. Okay, so he liked to

429
00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:50.559
write crime mysteries. Did did he
happen to focus on forensics or medical evidence

430
00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:52.719
in his crime I've never actually seen
them, and that would be a good

431
00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:58.000
project for one of us to look
up. Can we actually locate any of

432
00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:01.039
these crime mysteries by John Everson?
I've never tried to do that. You

433
00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:04.760
know, they might exist. We
might peeled on earth the I mean,

434
00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:08.440
I've seen people read you know,
e Howard Hunt's spy novels. Why not

435
00:35:08.679 --> 00:35:14.159
yeah, yeah, yeah, no, would have really hit it off.

436
00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:15.280
Well, there you go. It
could have been you know, spy novel

437
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:19.760
and then continue it in the you
know, in the civil world when it

438
00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:22.239
comes back and he does a true
crime thing the aftermath of the spy novel,

439
00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:25.159
so to speak, or maybe that
would be the cleanup effort after.

440
00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:30.079
I don't want to get publisher's ideas
here, but the thing is, yeah,

441
00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:35.599
interesting the guy wanted to write true
crime or did write true crime.

442
00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:37.119
Yeah, I think that would be
something good to dig up. You're right,

443
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:42.280
So I want to try and move
forward here only because I don't want

444
00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:44.719
to keep you too long tonight,
and we could do this for hours on

445
00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:49.679
end because there is so much material
in here, and even just trying to

446
00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:52.559
stick to the stuff that you pointed
to. Let's see if we can go

447
00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:55.320
through a couple of things quickly to
get people a hint of what it is

448
00:35:55.360 --> 00:36:00.760
they can discover in this volume,
because I love explaining all the points and

449
00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:05.559
counterpoints and all that, but I'd
like to give them kind of like a

450
00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:08.440
rapid fire hint about some of the
stuff going on, if you don't mind,

451
00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:13.360
and move through a little quicker here
in the next twenty minutes or so

452
00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:15.679
to give him a real taste,
because frankly, I want them to buy

453
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:20.760
the book. There's no way I
can condense even a tenth of this information

454
00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:23.800
into an hour podcast. Okay,
we should also add, Chuck that the

455
00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:29.400
book is available on Kindle for less
than ten dollars. Oh for those who

456
00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:32.440
do don't want to spend the big
bucks for the hardcover. But I strongly

457
00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:37.280
recommend the hardcover for serious students.
Oh yeah, because the quality of the

458
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:39.679
image is is so good. No, and look, if you can get

459
00:36:39.679 --> 00:36:43.440
it on Kindle for ten bucks,
I mean I get both. Actually,

460
00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:46.199
is the best way to go.
This is one of those times I wouldn't

461
00:36:46.199 --> 00:36:51.960
necessarily recommend the audiobook, even though
I usually do, but this is more

462
00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:54.679
of a visual thing, and I'll
make sure to put the Lincoln there for

463
00:36:54.719 --> 00:36:59.760
the kindle or ebook version of this, especially if it's only ten bucks.

464
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:02.880
But even at the higher price that
you see on the hardcover book, it

465
00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:07.000
is, uh, it's worth it. Okay. I'm just telling you,

466
00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:09.760
guys, and I'm not saying this
just because doctor Manti's here. I'm telling

467
00:37:09.800 --> 00:37:13.760
you it's worth it because you know, I'm more than happy to tell you

468
00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:17.239
when it's not worth your money to
spend it on somebody's book. This is

469
00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:22.320
okay, I guarantee it. Even
if, again, even if you want

470
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:25.480
to argue with some of what you
just heard from doctor Mantick and say,

471
00:37:25.480 --> 00:37:29.679
well, you know, because ever
saw blah blah blah, listen, the

472
00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:35.280
resources in here alone are worth a
whole lot more than any of that argument

473
00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:38.519
you could have. Plus it's not
like he's making poor arguments here, all

474
00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:43.920
right. These are very reasonable,
very well laid out things where he's explaining

475
00:37:43.960 --> 00:37:46.920
it to you step by step and
using the show and tell method. Here.

476
00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:52.639
Okay, look, here's the image
here's what this looks like. Here's

477
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:55.039
what it should look like. Etcetera, etcetera. As you said, I

478
00:37:55.079 --> 00:38:00.119
mean you put in the tea on
an anonymous patient to show people with that

479
00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:02.400
would look like. So that this
isn't you know, well, that's just

480
00:38:02.440 --> 00:38:07.159
some odd anomaly there. No,
let me show you what that anomaly would

481
00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:12.360
look like. Okay, so this
is great anyway, so we could move

482
00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:15.880
quickly through a couple of things here. I would like to move on even

483
00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:20.559
though we're still dealing with the head
wound here. The immaculate, freshly washed

484
00:38:20.599 --> 00:38:27.079
hair versus bloody shirt is how you
titled this graphic here, all right,

485
00:38:27.320 --> 00:38:31.360
so go ahead tell us about this. So, the official autopsy photographs of

486
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:37.960
the back of the head seemed to
show that JFK's hair had just been freshly

487
00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:43.679
washed so that it would be presentable, but the pathologists denied that there was

488
00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:49.000
any washing, so did James Jenkins
and his assistants at the autopsy table.

489
00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:52.079
That would make no sense. Why
would you destroy evidence by washing the hair?

490
00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:55.599
Yeah, there it is. By
the way, that's not how the

491
00:38:55.639 --> 00:39:02.079
Parkland doctors remembered it at all.
There's a spot in the image you probably

492
00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:07.159
cannot see it on this resolution,
but you can in the book, and

493
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:12.960
that red spot was chosen by the
House of that committee as the entry point

494
00:39:13.039 --> 00:39:20.079
for the Postier bully. But the
path of the personnel at Parkland did not

495
00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:23.559
ever see such a red spot.
They denied that this image looked at all

496
00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:29.039
like what they saw in Parkland.
Now, the reason I've shown these three

497
00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:35.679
images side by side is to show
what a paradox this is. There's virtually

498
00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:38.639
no blood on the hair, but
yet if you look at the shirt,

499
00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:44.519
which is the center image, you
can see blood over almost the entire upper

500
00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:49.159
half of JFK's shirt. Where did
all that blood come from if his hair

501
00:39:49.239 --> 00:39:52.280
is so clean? Well, there
was a back wound, remember there was

502
00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:58.480
a shallow back wound. But how
the blood. There wasn't much blood at

503
00:39:58.519 --> 00:40:00.800
all from the back wound, to
be honest. But even if there were,

504
00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:06.159
how would it get up into the
collar and into the left shoulder and

505
00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:08.719
over to the right side. That's
absurd. This blood came from the head

506
00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:15.280
wound, obviously, but it's not
consistent with the cleanly washed looking hair.

507
00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:19.679
Well. Yeah, this third image
or two, which is important. Let

508
00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:23.800
me just finish this and then we'll
talk about it and zapruder frame three one

509
00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:29.320
seven. You can see where there
purports to be a wound in JFK's head

510
00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:32.800
and it's in front of his right
ear. How does the wound in front

511
00:40:32.840 --> 00:40:37.400
of his right ear produce enough blood
to soak the almost the entire back of

512
00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:42.800
his shirt. That's crazy too,
Go ahead, okay, well, look

513
00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:47.159
one thing I could say, and
I just want to throw this in as

514
00:40:47.239 --> 00:40:52.400
a question, and I would need
another type of forensic expert to clarify this.

515
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:58.239
But because Kennedy winds up lying on
his back at certain points, the

516
00:40:58.280 --> 00:41:01.599
idea that blood ended up on the
shirt, I'm not so impressed by that.

517
00:41:01.719 --> 00:41:06.760
But I will tell you that I
am moved by the fact that the

518
00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:09.079
funeral home people. You know,
there were guys that were brought in and

519
00:41:09.119 --> 00:41:15.039
it was their business to prepare him
to be presentable if an open casket was

520
00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:22.360
allowed to proceed. And you know, it doesn't quite line up with the

521
00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:28.679
images what these guys professionally took note
of because they had to contend with the

522
00:41:28.760 --> 00:41:32.519
different things. They literally had to
do some work to sort of reconstruct the

523
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:37.679
head. And I happened to be
familiar with some of the work not necessarily

524
00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:40.119
in this case, that you would
do in any case where you have to

525
00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:44.800
set the eyes a certain way.
There's a lot of work that goes into

526
00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:52.239
making someone presentable for you know,
being publicly displayed in a casket. Okay

527
00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:58.800
and sorry, but the funeral home
guys don't seem to line up with most

528
00:41:58.840 --> 00:42:01.320
of what we see going on here. They had to clean things up,

529
00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:05.960
they had to contend with things,
They had to reconstruct things a bit to

530
00:42:06.079 --> 00:42:08.639
try and make them presentable. Now, Kennedy didn't have an open casket,

531
00:42:08.719 --> 00:42:14.039
although Jackie visited with him according to
accounts, et cetera. I think his

532
00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:16.679
brother visited with him. Of course. Famously, Clint Hill says that she

533
00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:21.000
had him go get scissors so that
she could cut a lock of hair from

534
00:42:21.079 --> 00:42:25.199
him. Right, all this,
but it doesn't line up with this.

535
00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:30.280
Where's the blood on the head?
What's going on here? Why is everything

536
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:35.760
damp? But it's certainly not damp
with blood in some cases in some images

537
00:42:35.800 --> 00:42:39.440
you can see there's blood soaked in
certain places, but seems like not enough

538
00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:44.800
blood here, seems like some of
it's been cleared away. So how do

539
00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:49.159
we sort that all out? Well, we know from the other autopsy photographs

540
00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:52.920
of JFK's head. There was blood
in his hair. This photograph is not

541
00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:58.519
even consistent with the other photographs,
right, Well, that's my point.

542
00:42:58.599 --> 00:43:02.280
It's also not consistent again and with
the accounts of the funeral home people whose

543
00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:07.719
professional job was to clean him up
and get him presentable, so they would

544
00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:10.880
have had to contend with all of
this to make it a lot more presentable.

545
00:43:12.679 --> 00:43:16.000
So there's problems there as well.
Anyway, the next image ab that

546
00:43:16.159 --> 00:43:20.519
I wanted to focus on, just
real fast again, just going across these

547
00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:25.920
things quickly. Let's see three successful
headshots, as first proposed by Doug Horn.

548
00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:31.119
Now I understand and a lot of
people have been inspired by Doug Horn's

549
00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:36.000
work. This is an illustration here. Could you tell us about this illustration?

550
00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:43.960
Well, JFK was hit from the
front by two bullets. One was

551
00:43:44.079 --> 00:43:49.000
high in the right forehead, and
this was obscured by his hair for the

552
00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:53.000
most part, which was why very
few observers at Parkland Hospital recalled it,

553
00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:58.960
but Charles Crenshaw did, and he
went on TV later on to point to

554
00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:04.119
this area. We also know that
the X rays show tiny metal fragments at

555
00:44:04.119 --> 00:44:08.480
this site. Going from that site, backward in the skull, so it's

556
00:44:08.519 --> 00:44:14.920
totally consistent with the X rays.
Now, the second shot to the skull

557
00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:17.880
from the front is just in front
of the right ear, and we know

558
00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:27.840
that this occurred based on witnesses in
Dealing Plaza and witnesses at Parkland and witnesses

559
00:44:28.440 --> 00:44:32.960
at the autopsy. James Jenkins saw
this, and James Jenkins says that Pierre's

560
00:44:34.519 --> 00:44:38.280
think one of the pathologists also saw
it. So we have witnesses at least

561
00:44:38.280 --> 00:44:45.079
three different locations who saw a bullet
entry hole in front of the right ear.

562
00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:50.519
James Jenkins described it as quite small, fitting with a bullet, and

563
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:57.320
the periphery was gray, which suggests
bullet wipe was left there. The third

564
00:44:57.360 --> 00:45:01.440
head shot was from the back and
that hit him low in the right occifift.

565
00:45:01.559 --> 00:45:07.960
That's the only one that was officially
recognized by the Warrant Commission, or

566
00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:13.599
by the Clark Flannel or by the
House Select Committee on Assassinations. All government

567
00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:20.280
investigations totally ignored the two frontel shots
to the skull. And this is you

568
00:45:20.360 --> 00:45:24.000
know, in more than one place
we find guess what two different And I

569
00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:28.559
think this might be missed by some
listeners. Even the more experienced ones.

570
00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:36.039
Did you just hear that? David
Mantick said, two different directions of trajectory

571
00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:40.400
are involved here. Did you hear
that part? Guys? Cuz you know,

572
00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:44.280
it seems like it gets missed.
It's not out there a lot.

573
00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:47.159
But somebody says, you know what, there is physical evidence, There is

574
00:45:47.320 --> 00:45:52.719
forensic evidence to show that. Guess
what, there's more than one direction.

575
00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:57.880
What does that mean? Well,
for the most basic idea here, you

576
00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:04.400
can't have a loan nut who's shooting
from two completely different directions several hundred feet

577
00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:07.760
away in the span of a couple
of seconds. But you can have two

578
00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:14.480
loan nuts doing it. As The
New York Times proposed, I always love

579
00:46:14.559 --> 00:46:20.800
that two lone nuts record suggested that
maybe they were two loan nuts who were

580
00:46:20.840 --> 00:46:25.119
not acting together, who manages to
pull this off. It happens all the

581
00:46:25.159 --> 00:46:29.719
time, doctor mantic I mean,
don't you know two guys independently often decide

582
00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:31.039
to rob the same bank on the
same day, at the same moment.

583
00:46:31.079 --> 00:46:35.000
Don't you know that? I mean, it happens all the time. Probably

584
00:46:35.039 --> 00:46:37.559
twins, well they're twins, or
they're connected, you know, in alternate

585
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:42.119
universes, and they happen to be
on the wrong timeline. And yeah,

586
00:46:42.159 --> 00:46:45.199
I'm talking science fiction, and uh
no, I'm not a fan of the

587
00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:50.119
Stephen King book on the Assassination,
but hey, it makes sense in that

588
00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:53.599
world, I guess, doctor Mantick, what do you say? Yeah,

589
00:46:53.639 --> 00:46:57.360
we have to choose what universe we
live in, don't we, Chuck,

590
00:46:57.800 --> 00:47:00.599
I suppose I only know the one
that I've lived in for eighty three years.

591
00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:04.920
I know what I recognize. I've
been here for fifty two. But

592
00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:09.880
still I think we recognize about the
same plane of reality. But it doesn't

593
00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:15.000
work like that. Two loan do
you understand? You know how difficult it

594
00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:17.920
is to win the lottery? Not
you, doctor Mantick, but how difficult

595
00:47:17.920 --> 00:47:21.159
it is to win the lottery?
Right? You got to get struck by

596
00:47:21.239 --> 00:47:25.920
lightning twice in the space of a
year. No, of course not No,

597
00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:31.400
that's that's taxation for dumb people.
But the thing is that it's real

598
00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:36.840
simple though. You got to basically
beat the odds of getting struck by lightning

599
00:47:36.880 --> 00:47:40.239
twice in the same month. And
if you can do that, you know,

600
00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:45.400
more power to you go play the
lottery. But otherwise, the chances

601
00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:50.559
of two loan nuts showing up at
the same location to commit the same assassination.

602
00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:53.440
I mean, in all, how
do you even publish that with a

603
00:47:53.480 --> 00:47:57.599
straight face. I'm sorry, I'm
wasting time. I should be just talking

604
00:47:57.599 --> 00:48:00.039
to you about real things here.
My apologies was the New York Times.

605
00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:04.760
Yeah, yeah, sorry again,
I know it's a sort of a waste

606
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:07.440
of time, But consider that for
a moment when people tell you about how

607
00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:13.280
the legitimate New York Times, you
know, came out with this supposition about

608
00:48:13.320 --> 00:48:17.480
something or other, and then remember
how often they get their quotes straight and

609
00:48:17.519 --> 00:48:21.320
all that too. Anyway, I
was showing you the cover of the book

610
00:48:22.119 --> 00:48:24.599
once again, But let's go back
to some of these photographs, because again,

611
00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:28.960
I know my time with you is
limited and I want to give people

612
00:48:29.199 --> 00:48:35.960
just a taste here. Now,
this one is one of the quite honestly,

613
00:48:36.079 --> 00:48:38.880
used to disturb me when I was
younger. But it's one of the

614
00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:45.920
you know, the very clear facial
pictures. Right, it's not the stare

615
00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:49.559
of death picture exactly. There's another
one they called the stare of Death picture.

616
00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:53.559
But this is him on his back. And I've seen this in color

617
00:48:53.599 --> 00:48:58.639
and black and white elsewhere. But
what are we looking at here? Okay,

618
00:48:58.719 --> 00:49:04.400
Boswell, there's a quote here here
an incised wound. That's an interesting

619
00:49:04.480 --> 00:49:07.159
phrase. That's the end of the
quote there, and your caption reads the

620
00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:13.639
incision was not seen in Dallas.
So who did this? What are you

621
00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:16.719
talking about in this image? Docu
mantic, Well, this is where one

622
00:49:16.719 --> 00:49:22.960
of the frontal shots came in high
in the right forehead. But this bullet

623
00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:30.239
entry site has been obscured by a
scalpel incision. Scalpels in size bullets cause

624
00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:35.679
wounds. We have two things going
on here at once. And Boswell,

625
00:49:35.719 --> 00:49:42.320
one of the pathologists has essentially admitted
that an incision, presumably by a scalpel,

626
00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:46.760
was made through a bullet wound exactly
at this site. No one saw

627
00:49:46.800 --> 00:49:52.599
this incision in Parkland. This photograph
was supposedly taken before any work was done

628
00:49:52.639 --> 00:50:00.320
on JFK at the autopsy. So
how did this incision appear on JFK's head

629
00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:05.159
between Parkland and the autopsy. If
nobody did it in Parkland and nobody did

630
00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:10.480
it at the autopsy, well obviously
somebody did it purposefully in order to obscure

631
00:50:10.519 --> 00:50:15.400
the wound. You know, I
once tried to explain the difference between an

632
00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:20.400
incision and a wound which would be
caused by a projectile in a certain way.

633
00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:22.920
And I was corrected a little bit, but I was partially correct.

634
00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:29.840
Here's the thing. If you have
a wound caused by a bullet, literally

635
00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:35.920
flesh, skin, all of the
involved materials that are struck end up stretching

636
00:50:36.519 --> 00:50:43.039
and being distorted and tearing in generally
speaking, imperfect ways. You know,

637
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:50.119
you don't get lack you know,
you don't get clear, exactly concise lines

638
00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:57.159
in what you see visually in the
wound afterwards that is created by a straight

639
00:50:57.320 --> 00:51:01.000
edge. And what you said is
an incision. Would that be the market

640
00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:06.880
difference between making a hole with a
bullet or making a tear in the skin

641
00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:10.440
with a bullet and making one with
a scalpel. Would that be the way

642
00:51:10.480 --> 00:51:14.280
to note it or what? Yeah, Chuck, Chuck, that's very good.

643
00:51:14.320 --> 00:51:19.119
I just want to emphasize though,
that this is where the bullet fragments

644
00:51:19.119 --> 00:51:22.440
are seen on the X ray,
so we have confirmation on the X ray

645
00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:29.840
that this is where a bullet entered. So you have confirmation on an X

646
00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:36.280
ray, which means that even though
there's some bizarre things on the X rays,

647
00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:40.719
what you're telling me is they took
probably a legitimate X ray and it

648
00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:46.280
was altered. It's not a complete
fabrication from start to finish. They probably

649
00:51:46.320 --> 00:51:51.639
started with a legitimate article here and
then altered it. Is that correct?

650
00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:55.519
Yeah, the X ray is mostly
authentic, and we know exactly where they

651
00:51:55.559 --> 00:52:00.840
altered it and why they altered it. We pretty well just stand all of

652
00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:06.599
that. So most of the X
ray is real. Okay. I just

653
00:52:06.639 --> 00:52:08.840
want to clarify that because sometimes people
say, oh, you're saying everything's fake,

654
00:52:08.920 --> 00:52:12.679
but then you're saying the X ray
has this in it. I just

655
00:52:12.719 --> 00:52:15.800
want to clarify that right in the
moment. So that's a very important point.

656
00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:19.920
Thank you Chuck for that. But
we we can sort this out.

657
00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:22.440
We know what's real and what's fake. There you go. So I wanted

658
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:27.239
to make that point. Now we
have another image coming up here, and

659
00:52:27.440 --> 00:52:30.480
I might have skipped one, but
let's get to it. On page one

660
00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:36.159
twenty two and twenty three, one
two and one twenty three. There's a

661
00:52:36.199 --> 00:52:39.119
few justy three has the color image
we want to focus on. Okay,

662
00:52:39.199 --> 00:52:44.400
so I'll go to one twenty three
and there's multiple images here, just saying

663
00:52:44.760 --> 00:52:51.599
there's a black and white illustration,
and then we have some color photos here

664
00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:55.519
in the bottom there's well, let's
see there looks like there's four color photos

665
00:52:55.559 --> 00:52:59.960
and that illustration again. And what
am I looking at here, Doctor Manton,

666
00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:04.360
Well, this is just further proof
that there was indeed a bullet entry

667
00:53:04.519 --> 00:53:09.039
high in JFK's right forehead. We
have not only the X rays to prove

668
00:53:09.159 --> 00:53:15.840
that, but we have Malcolm killed
Uff in the upper left here. He

669
00:53:15.960 --> 00:53:20.679
was the acting press secretary at the
press conference that afternoon and he said it

670
00:53:20.719 --> 00:53:23.719
was a simple matter, according to
doctor Berkeley, bullet through the head,

671
00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:28.280
and he's pointing where the bullet went
in. That matches the X ray and

672
00:53:28.320 --> 00:53:34.760
the photographs we've seen. Dennis David
saw photographs immediately after the autopsy, and

673
00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:37.480
he appears in two of these images
pointing to the same site. And then

674
00:53:37.519 --> 00:53:45.880
there's Charles Crenshaw who was at He
was in trauma room one and he knows

675
00:53:45.920 --> 00:53:52.920
where that bullet entry was. And
then the artist's sketch is fascinating, right.

676
00:53:52.719 --> 00:54:00.880
This is based on recollections of what
purported to be on a authentic autopsy

677
00:54:01.119 --> 00:54:08.719
X ray that's consistent with the date
of JFK's autopsy and Quentin Schwinn is the

678
00:54:08.840 --> 00:54:13.800
source of this information, as I
discussed in the book, But in that

679
00:54:13.880 --> 00:54:20.119
particular image that he saw in Rochester, New York, this is what he

680
00:54:20.199 --> 00:54:27.400
recalled. It actually showed the bullet
entry wound there before the incision was made.

681
00:54:27.519 --> 00:54:30.960
Of course, that that photograph is
no longer in the set, it

682
00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:36.440
could not possibly still be there.
That had to be destroyed, but somehow

683
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:45.400
an original survived and Quentin Schwinn saw
it some decades after the assassination in Rochester,

684
00:54:45.480 --> 00:54:47.960
New York, which is the home
of Kodak, who produced all the

685
00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:53.280
photographic and X ray film for the
autopsy. Well, look, before we

686
00:54:53.639 --> 00:54:58.480
get get too far lost in anything, and I don't want to you know,

687
00:54:58.480 --> 00:55:00.719
I don't want to take up too
much of your time because I've already

688
00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:05.760
had you for near an hour now
discussing all this. But I have a

689
00:55:05.800 --> 00:55:09.239
question for you that's sort of outside
of the book, and though you might

690
00:55:09.280 --> 00:55:16.039
address it in here. What are
the chances in your mind that the evidence

691
00:55:16.119 --> 00:55:25.920
could still exist somewhere untampered with that
would actually reveal a whole lot of details,

692
00:55:27.360 --> 00:55:30.719
clear up all the mysteries, reveal
the fact that things were tampered with,

693
00:55:30.960 --> 00:55:35.960
What are the chances that maybe a
private collector or you know, in

694
00:55:36.280 --> 00:55:43.599
the deep dark vaults of some you
know, alphabet agency somewhere, the photographic,

695
00:55:44.079 --> 00:55:49.599
the X ray, the autopsy stuff, the medical evidence exists intact in

696
00:55:49.679 --> 00:55:54.079
a collection or maybe in pieces,
or ended up in somebody souvenir collection in

697
00:55:54.119 --> 00:55:59.440
the back of somebody's closet somewhere.
What do you think of that? Is

698
00:55:59.440 --> 00:56:02.239
that a possible disability? Do you
think we could discover that somewhere along the

699
00:56:02.280 --> 00:56:06.519
line? Is that? Is there
potential for that at all? Or do

700
00:56:06.559 --> 00:56:09.559
you believe it was all destroyed?
This is obviously your opinion and your supposition,

701
00:56:09.639 --> 00:56:15.920
but I'm curious, Well, there
are fairly reliable stories of a burn

702
00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:23.119
party where selected photographs and X rays
were destroyed deliberately. If that story is

703
00:56:23.159 --> 00:56:27.639
true, then the chances are very
low. On the other hand, for

704
00:56:27.800 --> 00:56:32.599
the Zapruder film, I think there
is a chance that something still exists.

705
00:56:34.159 --> 00:56:40.920
There are reports from William Raymond who
saw the supposedly original Zupruidier film shown to

706
00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:46.079
him by French intelligence. Goodness knows
where that is. We also have reports

707
00:56:46.079 --> 00:56:52.639
from secret service agents who saw a
different film, and four or five civilians

708
00:56:52.639 --> 00:56:57.760
some of whom I know and you
may know, who purport to have seen

709
00:56:57.840 --> 00:57:01.360
a different Zupruder film and they agree
with each other amazingly enough. But they

710
00:57:01.440 --> 00:57:07.559
disagree with the current film in the
National Archives. So there may be a

711
00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:14.119
difference of Pruder film still out there
somewhere. Who knows. So the possibility

712
00:57:14.159 --> 00:57:16.280
for some of the evidence to still
exist, you believe is true. But

713
00:57:17.239 --> 00:57:22.760
you also take into account that there
may have been a get together to destroy

714
00:57:22.960 --> 00:57:30.320
evidence all at once, kind of
a burn party. Yeah. Harry Livingston

715
00:57:30.400 --> 00:57:34.159
describes this in one of his books. He specifically describes the burn party,

716
00:57:34.199 --> 00:57:37.360
and he says where he got this
evidence Off the top of my head,

717
00:57:37.480 --> 00:57:39.239
recall his source at the moment,
but you can read about it in his

718
00:57:39.320 --> 00:57:49.000
books. Yes. Now, unfortunately
and fortunately simultaneously, I knew Harry a

719
00:57:49.000 --> 00:57:52.880
little bit, and you know,
depending on what was going on at the

720
00:57:52.920 --> 00:57:58.679
time, some things might have been
hyperbole, some thing's not. You know,

721
00:57:59.320 --> 00:58:02.559
it's little difficult to parse out with
him. But I don't discount it

722
00:58:02.639 --> 00:58:07.760
either. Oh, we know that
X rays have disappeared. Both Gerald Custer

723
00:58:07.960 --> 00:58:15.960
the X ray tech and John Ebersol
the radiologists, quite affirm quite strongly affirmed

724
00:58:15.960 --> 00:58:20.599
that they did at least five skull
X rays. They told me this independently.

725
00:58:20.679 --> 00:58:23.119
They had not communicated with each other, but independently, each of these

726
00:58:23.159 --> 00:58:27.760
two men told me that there were
at least five skull X rays taken,

727
00:58:28.159 --> 00:58:32.559
including tangential X rays. Today there
are only three X rays, no tangential

728
00:58:32.679 --> 00:58:37.719
X rays. So I'm quite convinced
that some X rays have disappeared. Well,

729
00:58:37.800 --> 00:58:40.119
if the parent is telling the truth
or not, I don't think that's

730
00:58:40.199 --> 00:58:45.039
terribly important. But we're pretty sure, pretty darn sure, that two skull

731
00:58:45.199 --> 00:58:49.159
X rays have disappeared. Well,
the next thing I was going to say

732
00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:52.599
to you is, isn't it kind
of strange that there is such a low

733
00:58:52.719 --> 00:58:55.880
number of X rays that exist in
the collection as it is? It seems

734
00:58:55.920 --> 00:59:01.880
inconsistent with reality based on well,
sorry, the collective testimony of people talking

735
00:59:01.920 --> 00:59:08.119
about Rebe and Cust running back and
forth developing X rays sounds to me like

736
00:59:08.239 --> 00:59:12.320
they ran back. There were three
trips. I suspect it was like three

737
00:59:12.360 --> 00:59:16.960
trips from the IPS suite up to
one of the top floors at the Bethesda

738
00:59:17.039 --> 00:59:22.119
National Archives where the film processor was
located. So I then elevator trips with

739
00:59:22.280 --> 00:59:27.360
a turnaround time of many minutes.
Yeah, you're right. That's a strong

740
00:59:27.480 --> 00:59:30.519
argument that there were multiple sequences of
skull X rays taken. I find that

741
00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:36.199
very believable. And now they have
three images today. That doesn't make sense.

742
00:59:36.239 --> 00:59:39.159
And if you were a radiologist doing
the job that is alleged to have

743
00:59:39.199 --> 00:59:43.760
been done there, you're not going
to make one X ray and send it

744
00:59:43.800 --> 00:59:45.519
along. I don't think. I
think you're going to take several sets.

745
00:59:45.960 --> 00:59:51.079
Yeah, you're going to take several, right, for lack of a better

746
00:59:51.159 --> 00:59:52.920
term, and then you're going to
send it on. It's okay, go

747
00:59:53.000 --> 00:59:57.719
develop these it should be. And
how many exist in the collection? Now?

748
00:59:58.840 --> 01:00:02.679
Only three are there today? And
Gerald Cuss told the a r RB

749
01:00:02.960 --> 01:00:09.719
that he took tangential X rays.
That's in his deposition and it's reported here

750
01:00:09.760 --> 01:00:14.480
in my book as well. I
believe him. But we don't have any

751
01:00:14.559 --> 01:00:17.920
tangential X rays today, right,
So if they existed, they would blow

752
01:00:17.960 --> 01:00:22.679
the whole thing sky high. They
couldn't allow that, right, I mean.

753
01:00:22.760 --> 01:00:25.280
And besides that, the more detail
they give you, the more mistakes

754
01:00:25.320 --> 01:00:30.559
could be made, Like the bonehead
issue. You really want to minimize the

755
01:00:30.599 --> 01:00:34.440
evidence otherwise you get caught out there, you go. So, do we

756
01:00:34.519 --> 01:00:37.800
have time to maybe cover the Harper
fragment really quickly here, or let's just

757
01:00:37.880 --> 01:00:43.239
do that maybe as a last I
think that would be the nice punctuation on

758
01:00:43.280 --> 01:00:46.760
this discussion. Right, that's an
important issue, right, So let's first

759
01:00:46.920 --> 01:00:52.119
introduce people to the Harper fragment,
just really quickly, like sixty second explanation.

760
01:00:52.960 --> 01:00:55.159
What in the world is the Harper
fragment in general? Doctor Mantick.

761
01:00:57.280 --> 01:01:01.480
This is a piece of bone about
the size of a baseball overall, that

762
01:01:01.639 --> 01:01:06.559
was found in Dealey Plaza, not
the day of the assassination, but during

763
01:01:06.599 --> 01:01:09.519
that weekend by Billy Hawker, who
was a pre medical student at the time.

764
01:01:10.280 --> 01:01:15.360
Yeah. Unfortunately, his career apparently
was aborted. But his uncle was

765
01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:21.920
a pathologist at the Methodist Hospital.
So when he found this, he took

766
01:01:22.000 --> 01:01:27.199
it to his uncle, and his
uncle showed it to two other pathologists.

767
01:01:27.239 --> 01:01:34.159
I've actually spoken to one of these
three people during a radio interview and in

768
01:01:34.239 --> 01:01:38.719
the images that appear in my book
and which you probably can see here even

769
01:01:38.840 --> 01:01:45.440
with the video. Age two sixty
three is the one we want to look

770
01:01:45.480 --> 01:01:49.639
at. Oh I had to eighty
three, sorry, Okay, to sixty

771
01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:53.639
three yeah, you were showing the
X ray, but the photograph will be

772
01:01:53.679 --> 01:01:59.320
a little more. Sorry, here
you go, this one representative. Yeah,

773
01:01:59.360 --> 01:02:04.599
so these are or color images of
the parparate fragment taken from the front

774
01:02:04.679 --> 01:02:07.000
and from the back, or if
you like, from the exterior and from

775
01:02:07.039 --> 01:02:12.760
the interior. And what's key here
is shown by the red arrow. There

776
01:02:12.840 --> 01:02:17.559
is a smear, metallic smear at
the red arrow, and we know it's

777
01:02:17.599 --> 01:02:22.400
metallic because on the X ray we
can see that it's metal. It's most

778
01:02:22.559 --> 01:02:28.440
likely led from a bullet. And
the key point is simple, it's on

779
01:02:28.599 --> 01:02:36.000
the outside. So this represents a
bullet coming from the back of JFK's head,

780
01:02:36.280 --> 01:02:42.840
striking him low on the right side
of his occipital area. Now,

781
01:02:42.920 --> 01:02:50.519
in Tink Thompson's book Last Second in
Dallas, he presents a scenario in which

782
01:02:52.039 --> 01:02:59.119
the frontal bullet comes in first and
only later the posterier bullet comes in.

783
01:02:59.559 --> 01:03:06.679
But that is simply impossible because then
there's no chance to deposit the lead smear.

784
01:03:07.559 --> 01:03:09.679
In order to deposit the lead smear, the bullet from the back has

785
01:03:09.719 --> 01:03:15.119
to come in first. So that
totally destroys Tink's scenario, and he never

786
01:03:15.159 --> 01:03:19.519
really addresses this, he doesn't seem
to know anything about the Harper fragment.

787
01:03:20.400 --> 01:03:24.280
So that's a very central theme in
my critique of Tank Thompson's book, because

788
01:03:24.320 --> 01:03:31.559
if you accept my argument, and
it's basically unavoidable, then Thompson's whole timeline

789
01:03:31.599 --> 01:03:38.480
sequence for shots gets blown to pieces. But there are indeed a shot from

790
01:03:38.559 --> 01:03:43.159
the front and a shot from the
rear. It's just that if you try

791
01:03:43.159 --> 01:03:47.199
and line it up with his metal
smear, it's got to come from outside

792
01:03:47.360 --> 01:03:51.559
of the rear of the head because
when you said the occipital area. For

793
01:03:51.599 --> 01:03:54.239
people that don't know that, if
you feel on the back of your head,

794
01:03:54.599 --> 01:03:58.960
there's a little bump there right like
toward the bottom of the back of

795
01:03:59.000 --> 01:04:01.559
your first shot as the first shot, it has to be because the depositor

796
01:04:02.400 --> 01:04:09.239
right and the come later, right, So the metal smere is deposited in

797
01:04:09.400 --> 01:04:15.880
such a way that that projectile has
to have struck from outside of the rear

798
01:04:16.079 --> 01:04:21.800
of the head, right, probably
from the Texas school book Depository possibly possibly,

799
01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:26.320
very likely, Yeah, but for
that but it fits really well better

800
01:04:26.360 --> 01:04:29.280
than any other source, right,
I mean, and believe it or not,

801
01:04:29.360 --> 01:04:31.480
that does line up with a trajectory
that makes a little bit of sense.

802
01:04:31.639 --> 01:04:35.199
Now, did it come from the
sixth floor or elsewhere? Another story,

803
01:04:35.280 --> 01:04:40.920
But that general area, that's not
a bad general area for the rear

804
01:04:40.960 --> 01:04:45.679
shot to have come from. Now, the frontal shots another issue and something

805
01:04:45.719 --> 01:04:48.400
that I know you address in the
book, and you address a whole lot

806
01:04:48.440 --> 01:04:51.159
of other things in this book,
and I want to kind of wrap it

807
01:04:51.239 --> 01:04:54.920
up with that. But what else
do we need to know about the Harper

808
01:04:54.960 --> 01:04:58.360
property. Let me make a correction
here. I show that I said Texas

809
01:04:58.360 --> 01:05:01.079
School Book Depository. That's wrong.
It came from the Dale Text Building,

810
01:05:01.239 --> 01:05:04.960
which was directly up the street,
not the Texas School. Well that's that's

811
01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:09.159
the sister building right behind it.
But if you take a look at the

812
01:05:09.199 --> 01:05:12.480
trajectory cone, you could still put
it from the other side of the street.

813
01:05:12.599 --> 01:05:15.079
Yeah, so I have to correct
that. So here was probably deposited

814
01:05:15.119 --> 01:05:19.400
by a gunman shooting from the Dale
Text Building, which was directly up the

815
01:05:19.440 --> 01:05:23.519
street. Yeah, but potentially you
could put it in the Texas school Book

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Depository. Still if you take a
look at you know, there's still the

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possibility. It's a harder match,
but it's still there. And I looked

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at oh Man, the guy,
did hear no evil? Oh? Don

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Thomas? Don Thomas right. Taking
a look at his work, I can

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see the possibility of the dal text
building or the school book depository. Still

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not putting the gun in Oswald's hand, by the way, but still saying

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it's a possibility. And also you
have the you know, the shot from

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the nole and all this kind of
stuff. And if you order the data

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anyway, that's another issue for another
day. And I would love to talk

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to doctor Thomas on here about it, but anyway, that's probably not going

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to occur. But I'm really happy
to have sat down and discussed this with

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you the Harper Pragnizer. Nice questions, Chuck, excellent job. I really

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appreciate it, and I wish we
had time for more. As a matter

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of fact, maybe we'll do yet
another one, because I mean, we

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have things coming up in November.
I definitely want to discuss this more with

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you. Well, we do.
Your readers will want to prepare an advance

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by buying either the hardcover or the
kindle version. Yeah, definitely, and

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I highly recommend both things. I
always recommend the physical book because I prefer

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them, and like I said,
I like having a reference material. But

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you know what, some people might
enjoy it better on their desktop and might

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want the Kindle version, which is
a little more economical, but you're not

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going to get the same quality.
I'm sorry when you look at it,

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because it can. It's substitutes for
an index need to search on things in

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Kindle and I have both because I
like to search on things right well,

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but both of them have their uses. I think that you'd my recommendation,

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get both. The images are much
cleaner and everything else. If you have

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the physical book, okay, which
I highly recommend. I'm holding it up

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here. I don't know if the
camera's catching it. Look the blind guy

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operating the camera. It's fun,
okay, so you know, excuses,

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excuses, but there it is.
There's the book. I'm holding it in

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my hand, and I've also put
up the graphic for the image, and

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just to make sure I read it
correctly, the title is the jfk Assassination

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Decoded Criminal Forgery in the Autopsy Photographs
and X rays, Okay, and that

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is by doctor David W. I
always forget your middle initial W. Mantick,

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MDPHD. And once again I highly
recommend it and hope you guys learned

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a whole lot from this discussion tonight, and thank you doctor Mantick for and

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the time to do this with us. Thank you so much, Chuck for

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your good work. Keep it up. And for you guys, stick around

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