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introducing Alejandro Rojas right now. How are you, Alejandro? I am doing
pretty well, but extremely busy getting ready for the UFO Congress. Yes.
And you know, by the way, guess guess what I'm purchasing tomorrow a
laser gun. That and I am purchasing a ticket to come out to the
Phoenix area on February seventeenth. Yeah. Sweet, that's awesome. I'm so
excited. And what's kind of cool about this year, although I'm a little
bit worried about it. There are so many people coming to it that haven't
been there before, such as yourself, people I've known and work with for
a while. That, and then my mom and my sister are going to
be there. Hopefully I have time to say hi to everybody. It's such
a busy, busy event, but I am excited because I know people will
love it because it's a gorgeous venue. And I was, you know,
going over our program. We're looking that over, getting that ready to print,
and the speakers are just so cool. I mean, we've got Ryl
Costa from New York talking about New York UFOs. Her talk looks cool.
James Clarkson worked with Muffon and he is talking about this amazing witness who worked
at Wright Patterson Air Force Base. We've got that Joan Bird who did about
UFOs in Montana, Linda Zimmerman who wrote about Hudson Valley UFOs and did a
film on it. Just these amazing people that some people might not have heard
of before. And if you haven't had these people on your show, you've
got to because they're great, but just have done some excellent work that people
are gonna love. I was just talking about Joan Bird the last podcast I
did with the doctor Artie Clark Big Scaler. Yeah, yep. And because
they're good friends, and Joan was going to be on the show and her
email vaporized, so hopefully she will be on the show. We can talk
about that later and I can get her on prior to possibly get her on
prior to being out there, and you know, talk a little bit about
she's going to talk about out there a little more extra promotion. But anyway,
I'm really looking forward to it, and I really would like to do
some type of round robin live during you know, during the live spot on
this show right from there, and I'm going to be talking to you,
you know, offline. Of course, I'm trying to see if I can
make that happen. Sounds like it would be a lot of fun and interesting.
That would be excellent and excellent. I'm going to do another podcast on
location, and I'm just kind of I'm gonna do it live, of course,
live on the radio, but I just wanted to kind of give the
listener that throw that out there that toward the end of this month, just
like in two weeks or so, or possibly a little bit later, I'm
going to be traveling down to the Baltimore area and doing a live podcast with
a really interesting gentleman with some amazing things that he's going to be showing me
so interesting that I decided I'm just going to do the podcast right with him
right there. That'll be fun. Yeah, that'll be a lot of fun.
All right, So, now we plugged you, we plugged me.
We're all set to do the news. Yeah yeah, Okay, now that
we've plugged everybody and been all nice, nice, I'm going to give you
some crap for something you did today. You posted a Facebook story that is
our story and you didn't post us. But it's not necessarily your fault.
Partially, well, it is very much your fault actually. So there's the
Project blue Book files went online. John Greenwald posted those. They're all free
in PDF format, they're searchable. I wrote a story about it because I'm
so happy with what John Greenwald did here. Funny enough cool, which is
really cool. The Daily Mail picked it up and they linked to us and
gave us credit, which is great. But then a bunch of other news
sources now have picked up the Daily Mail story and they've kind of dropped us,
so they're not even mentioning us, but they are mentioning John Greenwald and
putting a link to the Black Fault, which is good because that's the whole
point of this. But you posted one of these copycat stories, I think
from the who dropped us, and so well, she could have got it
from the source. Yes, And you know, I have a good she's
listening right now. I know she is. Peggy. Peggy's the one who
is great. She works, she is great, and she works really hard
at the Facebook you're passing the buck. I am. But I'm also gonna
say this that Peggy would never mean to do any harm, so it's just
totally an oversight. I think Peggy could do some harm. She seems like
a person who is able to take care of and handle herself. Absolutely,
I wouldn't want to mess with her. She seems like, you know,
she could do harm to someone if she she got upset enough. That's my
Peggy. Yes, yeah, so, but this is really cool. It's
cool that the story got picked up. A lot of people are or not
a lot of people. Some people are saying, hey, he skilled some
files from someone else, but that's not the case. And just to clear
that up for any of your listeners, there was a gentleman. He went
by on above top secret in some other places something like extreme was his name,
And his name is anonymous, even though I know his name because he
emailed me and other organizations and said, hey, I've got all the blue
Book files. You can download them here. It wasn't an easy task to
do it either. The way he set it up. It was like two
hundred gigs of picture files. It took two days for me to download.
And he's like please post this. But that's not easy. People don't understand.
Just because you have those files, it's extremely difficult to then get those
on your server, to host them online and then format them. You're talking
about thousands of files, so you got to create thousands of links to get
those up there. So I couldn't do it. Mofon asked us if we
could help them do it. We said, unfortunately, we don't have the
time to do that. But John Greenwald is smart enough where he worked with
this extreme guy and he was able to create some programs that automated the process,
turned them into PDFs that are searchable, and then and he was able
to post them. And it's awesome that he did that. And he had
to know how to do that. So he didn't steal these from the extreme
guy. He actually worked with that guy to get them up on his site.
That guy has I won't use his real name because he's wanted to remain
anonymous, but just so people know, you know, John didn't steal those
and he had to do a lot of work to get those files up.
And some people have said, well, they're kind of free, lots of
them on a site called fold three, But there are all pictures. You
can't you know, the search ability is nowhere near as nice as these PDFs,
which you can easily download from John Greenwald's site, So it is a
feat. It is great. When I researched blue Book, you know,
it used to be very difficult to find those files, even with fold three.
It was a bit of an effort. But and I had to pay
to get access to download those at fold three when I first went on there.
Now they offer him for free. But if I had the Greenwald database,
I would, And even though I have him on a hard drive that
I slap around, I'm actually just going to use John Greenwold's site from here
on out to access those because it's been difficult to get to all of the
Bluebook files prior to this. So I think it's a big deal. I'm
glad these other stories have picked it up and are running with it as well.
I think it's I think it's absolutely great. And yeah, that website
above top Secret gets traffic like you can't believe. This is only good.
Yeah, it's going to excel you know even higher. Well, these are
all on the Black Vault, Oh, the Black Vault. Yeah, what
was I thinking? Above Top secret. I had mentioned above top Secret because
originally that two hundred gig download was posted on above top secret. Okay,
all right, and that's why people think John just stole those and posted those.
But he did do it in cooperation and he did get credit on his
site too. So there's some cannspiracy theories out there that I would like to
quelch that John deserves the credit he's getting. Yeah, yep. John's a
good guy. He's going to be on the show soon, he says,
hopefully he will be. He's a good guy. I like. I like
the work he's done. Oh and this story too. Just to follow up,
I did do an interview with him, so he talks about the posting
of those files and some good in fight andsightful stuff there. All right,
so someone can listen to that. Now I'm gonna plug you again, even
though, yeah, you know, you just bashed me. So that's that's
on Openminds dot tv. You can find that correct Openminds dot tv, the
place for UFO news and right here, So carry on, son. Another
one that I wanted to talk about is just the day after we talked,
and I think I was researching this when we did talk last there was a
story about thousands of people seeing UFO in Argentina. This was about a week
ago, last Sunday, a week and a half and ago now, and
this was mostly in the town of I'm not even sure how to say it.
It's like Gualle gu Waitu, Guale gu Waitchu, something like that in
Argentina, really very near Uruguay. But a lot of people saw this light
flying over in some of the videos. I went and I found several videos
people posted online of these lights. You can see people out in the street
looking at it. It slowly moved over the city. Then in another city
about twenty miles away, they spotted it as well, and so this was
kind of a big deal. A lot of the Argentina news was covering it.
In these videos, you can't see a whole lot. People described it
as a slow moving, blinking light that was stationary for a while then would
move. Some people said that it zigzagged at times, and so there's different
reports. Of course, that would be really weird if they're zigzagging. Some
people have said, well, it's probably a quad cropter or a drone,
but a lot of the witnesses had said no, they don't think so,
and they argue that if that was the case, you know, it wouldn't
have been seen twenty miles away. So a lot of people in Argentina were
excited about this, and there are lots of videos up on this one.
Cool. Well, that's great when you have that many witnesses. Yeah,
yeah, so that's a pretty cool one. Yeah. Yeah. So our
last story of the evening, the last one is for our UK listeners.
Again, some of them may be aware of it because it's starting to get
all over their news out there in the UK. But one of their stories
or one of their papers are Chronicle, had posted this story about a UFO
over the town of Tenemuth, and this was Monday. The video or the
UFO was recorded. But essentially, this gentleman who's a venture capitalists I believe,
was going outside to Waka's dog at about eleven thirty and he saw an
unusual light. He said, it wasn't he's used to the planes. It
was moving like a plane, it was different colors and he thought it was
really weird. He video taped it and posted that video, and so the
story's getting out there and this isn't just a UFO siding story. It's also
a story to watch out because this video the gentleman said, I recorded it,
and it looks like a pulsating light that's pulsating different colors and his diamond
shape. However, some of you may be aware, but there are lots
of diamond shape UFO videos on the internet, but that is not the UFO
shape. What that is is the aperture in the camera. What happens is
if you have a bright point of light in the sky and you get it
out of focus, it'll turn whatever shape the app is, and most apertures
are diamond shape, so you're going to see that diamond shape. So unfortunately,
this is not an accurate representation of what that craft looks like. Also,
often it can look like it's changing colors because of the atmosphere. However,
when you do watch this co this video, you can see that there's
something pulsating there, but of course that could be a plane light. So
the video isn't conclusive that it's not a plane, but something was there.
So really, in this case, you have to rely on the witness testimony
in that he says, you know it wasn't a plane, that it was
something different than that, but of course then it's just anecdotal, but people
can go look at that, and that's a story that's in the UK News
today. Well, you also, every once in a while you hear about
these diamond shaped crafts that people actually see, like for instance, some I
believe cash landrum case. I believe that is a cash true and it was
more of a taller diamond shape. So that's a good point. That doesn't
mean that people haven't seen diamond shaped craft But this story all day has maken
out going over and over in my head is shine bright like a diamond,
shright like a diamond. But now I've got that stick in your listener's head
as well. Yeah and mine. Thanks a lot, buddy. Hey,
uh huh, Well we'll be talking to you next week. All right,
awesome, thanks man, my pleasure, and uh so hang in there and
we'll be right back with Mark Schwartz. This music is by Bruce Rainier.
Thanks Mark Schwartz for joining us and from Truth Funders. I believe we spoke
a little bit earlier. You know, I've been crazy bit with a startup
that I'm involved in, and I never really got to look to see exactly
what truth Funders is so the audience listening audience out there and I are going
to all find out together. And by the way, if you're listening live
in the Dark Matter Radio Network, you can jump over to podcastufo dot com
into the chat room. It's real quick, easy signing. You can ask
our ask our guests some questions. And we have a couple of other guests
coming up. We have Jonas Is coming up. Jonas, I don't know
Pachunka. Is that how you say his last name? It's close, we
can ask him. He'll be coming up involved in the truth Funders as well,
coming up in a half hour, I mean fifteen minutes or so.
And then in the second hour of this show, we'll have Rick Fryer on
as well. So first of all, let's hear it. What is truth
Funders. Truth Funders is a crowdfunding platform specifically designed for the paranormal. You
know, I'm a big fan of the paranormal of Art Bell. I grew
up listening to Art Bell, and I've been working in the technology and video
production world for the past fifteen years. I helped create a language called TVML,
which is the television markup language, and created a lot of Applications and
was nominated for a Primetime Interactive Media and me back in twenty ten for some
of the work that I did so here in Silicon Valley, I was constantly,
you know, making the trek from northern California to southern California and bringing
them the latest tech that they could use, because, as we all know,
Hollywood is changing and the way you know, the broadcasts, people aren't
plugged in as they used to be. Now everybody streams things and watches TV
through their computer. They call us chord cutters, and places like Comcast are
not big fans of chord cutters, but the new generation that's that's how a
lot of us actually get our information and our television. So, you know,
while I was doing this, and while I've been working on all these
different projects and social media projects and video projects, I while I code all
day and while I work all day long, I listen to old art bell
podcasts, and that led me to new podcasts that are out there. You
can only get so much of the old before you need to know what's new
and what's happening and what's going on. So I started listening to things like
you know, Dark Matter Radio, network, a lot of other different podcasts,
a lot of other different paranormal podcasts, and something that I heard all
the time was that people needed funding. They needed funding for the projects to
test you know, bigfoot DNA or to test DNA from potential extraterrestrial DNA.
And so out of this, I started thinking about you know, places like
kickstarters that are out there, and what crowdfunding is is where you have a
project and you put it online and you say, hey, I need ten
thousand dollars, I need five thousand dollars in order to get this project up
and running. That project could be a book, it could be a documentary,
it can be all sorts of things. But what happens is that if
you're really into UFOs and trying to create the UFO documentary and you put it
on a place like one of these bigger sites, it gets lost in the
shuffle. There are so many projects that are on these sites, and a
lot of the people that are going to some of those bigger crowdfunding sites aren't
really looking for you know, paranormal projects, and if they are looking for
them, they're very difficult to find. So what I started doing was thinking
about this idea of crowdfunding and creating a specific niche, specifically for the paranormal,
so people could get that type of money that they need for research,
for documentaries, for their conspiracy theories, for eufology, you know, anything
that has to do with the paranormal. They can put their project there.
It's a safe place. And also for other people that do podcasts, you
know, they could get their news from truth Funders and see what some of
the latest projects that people out there in the world are actually creating and doing
in order to seek the truth. And so that was the beginning and the
conceptualization and for truth Funders. And how is it going so far? Well,
we launched about a week and a half or two weeks ago, we
did our initial launch and so we just have a couple of projects on right
now. We have about six projects that are up. We have twenty projects
in our arsenal and we are releasing them slowly, sort of every day or
two there's a new project that shows up on the site, and you know,
it's word of mouth. We actually we've sponsored Jimmy Church's show Fade to
Black, so that's helped to you know, open open the doors to let
people know that we're out there, and not only that, but through social
media, we have a lot of the So our team is there's eight of
us. There's four of us based here in the United States, and then
there's four of us in the UK working you know, the night shift where
we can't stay up all night working here in California, so the late shift
goes to the p all over in the UK. And so it's it's going,
it's going slowly. We've actually we've actually had an enormous amount of traffic
to the site, so that we've had in the in the two weeks that
we've been open, we've had about four thousand people visit the site, which
is fantastic. I mean, that's great, But as far as donations and
people donating to projects, that's been a little bit But just to be honest,
that's been a little bit slower, and I think people need to begin
to trust it and need to begin to understand it, you know, what's
out there. And also I think that once we have several hundred projects on
the site, that's going to change because people can look and search on truth
Funders through you know a lot of these other crowdfunding platforms. You look for
movies and you click on movie, and then there's hundreds of thousands of different
projects of movies that people are trying to have people donate to, whereas on
our site you can click on Bigfoot or UFO or alien abduction, and then
it's not so much by by movie, but it's by category. So you
know, if there's someone creating trying to fund a book on alien abduction,
they would find it under the category of alien abduction. They could also find
movies that are there, so it's more in tune to the search of what
people like in this specific genre. Uh huh. Now, how we got
together was Richard Cutting Yes, from Milgrim and the fast Walkers. He's he
and he said he had conversations that you thought you'd make a good guest.
Uh. He's a great guy. I always enjoy talking him. Now I'm
going to ask you. First of all, you and I had a conversation
yesterday and I was you know, I was out in your town, which
which I think is pretty ironic, the very town you live in, San
Rafel, California. I lived there, you know, and you know exactly
when I told you where I lived, where I lived in these different places
in nice and warm out there. It's freezing back here. But I want
to ask you what started you on this path, the interest of the paranormal
in general and UFOs if you can touch on that topic as well, absolutely
well. So my dad is a geologist. He works for the United States
Geological Survey, and so science has been something that has really been very big
in my family and my life. You know, since I was a child,
I became my dad's a big sci fi fan. I became obsessed with
aliens. When I was I don't know, seven or eight years old.
There was an original time Life series books and I don't know if you remember
these books, but they would have this commercial and it would say three men
were lost in the middle of the forest. One of them suddenly started floating
into the sky towards a spaceship, like what happened find out in the Time
Life Mysteries of the Unknown. And this was something that just captured me.
I had my parents, I begged them to order these books for me.
I started just There's always been a connection, and I'm not exactly sure what
that connection is, but I'm finding out more and more as I get older
what that connection is. And I don't know if I should necessarily go into
it right now on the podcast, but I've had some experiences. Back in
two thousand and seven, I was actually in downtown Walmant Creek, California,
which is, you know, close to Santa Fell, and I was getting
out of my car going to Kinko's just to fact some papers and make some
copies for the business that I was working at then and literally got out of
my car, looked up into the sky and I had my first UFO sighting
in the middle of the day, and I was just astonished. It was
right before the iPhone came out, so you couldn't take pictures. I had
a flip phone. I couldn't. You know, it wasn't worth it,
you know. In my mind, it was like, just look at this,
Stare at this, enjoy this experience. Don't try to capture it on
your phone because you're not going to get that picture. But that was something
that really just, I mean made me a believer. And then from that
moment on, I started to have I started to have dreams, and the
dreams just kept coming. And I had these dreams when I was a child
as well. There were these dreams that continued continuation dreams where I was fighting
a war, and I was in a war and I was helping people.
It was an interplanetary war. And without saying all this stuff to make me
sound you know, totally bizarre and insane. These were these dreams that continued
to grow and move forward as as I got older. In fact, I
was spending the night at this girl's house for the first time ever. It
was like the first night I had spent at her house. She had three
roommates, and it just happened to be the night that I was sleeping there.
I had this dream where forever the UFO was chasing me in all the
previous dreams I had, but in this particular dream, the UFO came and
and you know, the light beam came down from the UFO and sucked me
up, and I screamed. I stood out of bed and I just just
stood there screaming ah at the top of my lungs. And I frightened.
This poor girl that you know, you know, she had invited me to
spend the night. She's like, what what and her weights to come running
in and it was just it was it was laughable. I guess at the
moment, but I was dripping in sweat, and I've had these experiences and
they've been a part of me for my life. And so this is something
that I felt that I wanted to give back to the community. I really
feel that truth Funders is a way to give back to the community and for
our community to have a place to, you know, safely put our projects
there without them being mocked by the rest of the world or shunned by you
know, some of the bigger crowdfunding platforms. And to actually have a place
for us to to trust and and and to you know, and to for
the believers to help fund the people believing and actually getting off their butts and
doing something and creating a project and trying to do something good and different in
this world. Well, yeah, that's very good. Was so ready to
connect with Jonas, but I just wanted to ask you how that relationship turned
out. Uh it didn't shortly thereafter, didn't have anything to do with that
particular you know instance. But I'm happy. I'm happily engaged now to a
wonderful woman and she has she has stood by me while I've gone on this
venture of creating truth Funders, and uh, it's it's been. You know,
she's been. She's been right there with me the whole time. In
fact, she was the one who came up with the name truth Funders after
my business partner and I were trying to tackle a proper name for so long.
So so you know, when you have someone there who doesn't quite necessarily
understand but supports, Uh, that's a that's a beautiful thing, it really
is. Okay, let's uh, let's give Jonas a try. Alrighty,
yeah, Joe, go ahead, just real quickly. I heard just a
slight bit of feedback just a second. Do you have ear ear plugs in?
I mean ear your phone's in? I do? Yeah? Okay,
all right, pretty good. Jonas are you there? Yes, sir,
I am. How are you tonight? Very good? And Jonas, can
you pronounce your last name? Because I think I kind of butchered it.
You did not, You nailed it. Shanka is my last name? Excellent
job? Okay, very good. And you're you're in New York? I
am, Well, I'm in New York, all right, so you're on
uh it's you're an Eastern standard time and let's uh, let's talk about I
like I love the title of your book, Oh mg u f o ss
So, so let's let's talk about your book and how this relates to the
Truth Funders. Well, thank you so much, and I just want to
say it's a pleasure for for you having me on. I'm very excited to
be here, and I'd also like to thank Mark for acting as my benefactor
with this project. It's incredibly difficult to gain momentum with something like this,
and you know whether or not the gum chewing public likes it. Euthology is
becoming more and more of an established science and it's slowly penetrating the mainstream media.
And as we look across the spectrum that transcends media that's available for young
adults today, and by young adults I mean anywhere from ten years old all
the way up to eighteen years old, obviously depending upon the maturity level.
What's out there for them in terms of ethology. Of course, we have
shows like Ancient Italians and H two I think has been instrumental in our cause
and as much as it exposes it exposes the public to euthology, but in
a very shallow sense, and when they want to young adults want to go
beyond the television and really go in depth. There's not much out there for
them. There are books that are very deep and probably wouldn't hold the attention
span of most eults that I know to be honest with you, let alone
a young adult. So we need something that closes that gap. We need
something that goes between ancient aliens and perhaps a video game that they would be
sitting in front of for hours, or maybe a comic book that's going to
entertain them for ten minutes. It's we need something that's going to grab hold
of them and teach them that this is not something that should should be frowned
upon. This is not thing that should be looked as as passe or or
row away topic. You know. Listening to Mark talk earlier about the experience
he had with the UFO and before he told his story, which was an
excellent story Mark, if I don't say so myself, he said, I
don't want to sound like a crazy person. There's something to that extent,
and you know what you don't. You don't to me, you don't to
many other people who support what you're doing and support this notion of uthology and
the paranormal. It's not a crazy topic, and I think that for years
the mainstream media has been instilling upon the public that notion, that notion that
ethology is crazy. And now we're slowly starting to make headway there and it's
slowly starting to open up to a broader audience, if you will. And
what omg UFO is looking to do is to expand that audience to not only
adults who have this curiosity, but young adults as well, because they're going
to be doing what the three of us are doing right now twenty years from
it. Right. Well, I agree, you know, there seems to
be a gap in young people with a lot of things. I think what's
happened is there's so much technology flying at them every which way and so many
as they say, it's kind of a rude, rude word, but there's
so many time sucks out there that people get involved in, whether you know,
it's social media, whether it's gadgets that, and it's a disposable society,
and it's a society where you know, the interests a lot of interests
that people have don't go out the door, so they just stay indoor with
everything that's right at their fingertips. So yes, I agree that you know,
things have to get passed down and the gaps filled and all that.
So how did you you get How did you two find each other? How
does you know? I'm just I'm just curious how something like this gets started,
How people network, how does that all work? Well? Sure,
oh, go ahead, donuts, go ahead. You could talk about how
we first interacted. I think it's through those through those same sort of social
media circles. But but go ahead. Absolutely, there's a there's a fantastic
show that follows yours Martin on Dark Matter Radio Network that's Fade the Black with
Jimmy Shirt and he's created a social media and Twitter known as the Sandbox to
its followers. And I've been working with Jimmy for a while now as a
producer, low level, helping book guests on the show, and of course
interacting in the Sandbox and lo and behold. One one night, we were
talking about truth Funders and we were so excited that's was working with Fade to
Black, And just as a throwaway comment, I had said, hooray for
truth Funders. They're going to be helping me publish my book next year.
They just don't know it yet. And you know, Mark contacted me after
that and he said, hey, serious, worry about that, and the
relationship sort of blossomed from there once I got to learn what Truth Funders was
really about. How sincere Mark's intentions were well, he had me, he
had me at hello as they say, well, that's really really kind of
you to say. It's it's hard, you know, And I believe.
What I love about what Jonas is doing, and specifically about his book,
is that I think that I look back to the time when I was six,
seven, eight years old and obsessed with UFOs, you know, because
I did wind up getting those timeline books. But the next thing, the
next evolution for me, was Whitley Strieber's Communion, and so I went ahead
and I bought that, and I think I was in third grade and I
started reading Communion. Now you can imagine anybody looking at a nine year old
or nine or ten year old reading this book with this alien on the cover,
and it was in depth book. I don't think I understood half of
what I was reading, but I needed to know more and I needed to
understand more. And so I do think that there is youth that's out there,
that there are young people that really want to know more about this.
Maybe they have had experiences in their life and so they're trying to figure out
and their brains are trying to figure out exactly what happened and connect the dots,
or maybe they're just really interested in it and it's not there. There's
not enough out there to connect them to it. A lot of it is
the lore, which I mean I love this stuff as well, but you
know, knowing about secret military bases and UFO flyovers that happened and getting down
into the nitty gritty that some of you know, the stuff that we cover
on a lot of podcasts has to offer. That's great, but for being
you know eight nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen fifteen,
sometimes that can be a little bit over the head or a little overwhelming.
And so to ease into that and to start understanding that there is there,
really is something happening. There really is something that we can't explain that's
going on out there. I mean, I support that project one hundred percent.
And Jonas's project is actually one of the ones that's doing the best on
the site so far. And like I said, we've only been out for
a week and a half. Two weeks and we've had a ton of traffic,
but Jonas's is really starting to take off a little bit more. And
I think that once people trust the site and once we get a little bit
more awareness to the site, like you had Rojas on at the very beginning
of your podcast, man, I would love for him to. I would
love to just connect with him and to have him explain what truth Funders is
trying to do, because we want to do research there. We want people
to pay for some of the research that's going on in crowdfund that to help
open the doors to what is really going on in this community and in this
world that we can't explain. And one last thing, I know, I
just talked for like five minutes straight there, but I do think that there
is this youth that has been watching Ancient Aliens and that it's really into alien
culture and ufology culture, and they just they're on Twitter, they're on Facebook,
they are doing the social media and so hopefully that's what we're trying to
do with truth Funders too, is reach out to people and reach out to
people that want to do projects using social media and those tactics to try to
get that younger generation involved and not just you know, through word of mouth.
You know, I have Google Analytics on my site, and it seems
to me that there are you know, the the percentages of eighteen to thirty
five is absolutely three quarters of my listening audience or at least that visit the
website, and so there are young people involved in actually looking I do believe,
however, it could be just because it's an internet thing, a podcast,
easy to find all that, because what is happening, you know,
getting back to the younger people less involved is across the board every type of
conference you can imagine, whether it's in the field that I'm involved in for
you know, antiques or any type of collectibles, right across the board,
the attendance, the young attendance is way down. And you know, I
just think it's because everything's geared indoor and including this podcast and everything digital.
Basically, well, you hit it, you hit it right on the head.
You know. When I went to my first Moofon meeting, it was
a year ago, and when I went there, I was the youngest person
there. I'm thirty thirty four years old and I was by far the youngest
person at this Movefon meeting. But I know that there's people my age.
I know that there's people way younger who are super into this. And if
you type in podcast ufo, I mean, what great search terms are that,
right? So people who are looking for it can can find it.
It's a way for them to connect. And that's I'm sure that's why you're
seeing on your Google analytics, because those people are interested and they are there
and they and it's a great way your podcast and the way that you're able
to have podcast ufo be your keywords. Those are just such beautiful, wonderful,
magical keywords. Well, because if I funny you say that, you
know a few people have teased me about that, But that's one hundred percent
the reason why I chose the name. I thought, well, I want
to do a podcast on UFOs. What is the simplest thing I can make
it so people can find it? But it is. It is kind of
a silly name, but it definitely works as far as so much traffic that
my website has been crashed twice in the last six months and hopefully it won't
happen again, but yeah, we can only hope. But that's I mean,
that's a great sign. And you hit it on. You know you
really that's right on, because in this new world, in order to reach
people, people are plugged in, and the youth is plugged in. I
mean, I take a look at my five year old nephew and he has
his designated Amazon Fire module that lets him play any game he wants, but
only let them play it for an hour and a half before it cuts them
off for the rest of the day. I mean, people are plugged in.
If you walk outside on the streets. When we were kids, we'd
be outside playing baseball or skateboarding or doing doing these things. And it's not
like you don't see that. It's not like it's not happening still. But
for the most part, I would say there's a much much smaller majority of
that of that happening. And what we're seeing is people on the computers are
playing video games and doing that, and those are the people that we want
to reach and say like, hey, it's okay. You know, if
you have had an experience, if you want to write a book about it,
you could do that on truth Funders. Reach out to us. If
you have a documentary that you want to create, reach out to us.
There's people out there that. You know, they work their day jobs,
they come home, they're looking for the next news or something to be a
part of. They might not go to the conferences because conferences are could be
scary. You don't know a lot of people. It is an older generation.
So if we can get this younger generation involved somehow, and maybe that
is going to a conference. But if it's not, the next best thing
is something like a truth Funders or a podcast UFO where people can be involved
and feel free to do it in that way. No, gentlemen, I'm
sorry. Yeah, I just want to add this briefly. I am a
father of three, and well, my oldest, my seventeen year old daughter,
probably wouldn't notice a UFO unless it landed on my house and Bruno Mores
stepped out of it. My ten year old son, Julian, is incredibly
fascinated with uthology. You know, he'll sit and watch shows like Ancient Aliens
with me, he tells me. He discusses it with his friends at school.
The other day he came up to me. It was such a proud
moment. He said, Dad, what's Kecksburg? And I said, oh
my goodness. And we sat and had a conversation about Ketsburg. We've bought
a telescope and we've got him going outside and we look at the stars.
Obviously not tonight it's seventeen degrees, but when it's a bit warmer outside,
you bet we're out there, we're looking at the stars. I just want
to get involved with this. And I think maybe it was, and maybe
not, but the exposure that UFOs have gotten in mainstream media, even if
it's in mediums like movies where it's an Independence Day, where it's in men
in black and there's a slightly comedic twist to it, still raising those questions.
And I think that it is, excuse me, more or less intrinsic
for us as human beings to have relationship with the sky, to look up
and say, what's up there? What am I doing here? Now?
Perhaps I was a strange child, well I know I was a strange child,
but I asked question. I know that there were other children that asked
that question. And I think that that relationship the stars was severed. Whether
it was severed on purpose or not, I can't attest to that, but
I will say that there's some time ago, probably within the nineteen hundreds and
I do think Martin that what you say about technology is spot on accurate.
Our connection to the heavens has been interrupted, it's been terminated to a certain
degree, and it shows, like podcast UFO, it's organizations like Truth Funders
that they're going to get that connection reunited so that again, the generation of
tomorrow won't struggle the way that we ruggle when it comes spread elves on topics
like uthology, like oh, it doesn't matter whether we're talking about Bigfoot or
we're talking about grays. There's a certain stigma that's attached to us. Whereas
people are ready to jump out and screen twofoot hats, tinfoil hats, we're
nuts. There's there's something wrong with us because they needed with this. No,
there's nothing wrong with us. This is as natural as trees in a
meadow or fish swimming in a brook. There are extraterrestrials. I have no
problem saying that, and I think that anybody who can't acknowledge the fact that
there has to be something beyond this planet has serious issues. Either that or
they've been brainwall I don't know, but I really hope that that Again,
my book and my project, as well as some of the other projects that
are on truth Funders, then they can really help expose what it is that
is a passion of us to that much more of a of the population.
Even if we get one more persons, we grow that much stronger. Yeah,
Hey, just to let you know there's there's some type of signal issue.
You've been cutting in and out a little bit and I don't know if
if there's a Wi Fi issue or something like that there. I just want
to to let you know that. And so Jonas, before you head out,
you're going to be on just a few more minutes. Let's see what
what started you down the path of the interests in this and have you written
have you written books or any type of book before or is this the first
one? And this will be my first book. I have a bunch of
projects that are on hold at the moment because of this one. I've written
blog posts here and there. It's always been something that I wanted to do.
But I have to say, as Mark said earlier, and I'm hoping
that the connection is is better now. I did not know how to to
to begin, so I didn't think it was possible in terms of funding and
what true Funders has done for me personally, is giving me an opportunity to
down and write this book and and get it out there to people so I
could get in some sort of momentum, because without it, I was lost.
I really didn't know where to begin. I had the idea. I
know that I had other ideas, and we've spoken about those as well.
I just didn't know how to begin. It's it's a it's a formidable task
for somebody who doesn't have exposure. While I've I've written before, writing on
this topic is rather unique you have. You can't approach just any with with
a topic like uthology. They're going to look at it with with with a
bit of a can't view. As I said earlier, yeah, we we
have a bad signal on your line as well, so so I think I
think I'm going to say that will probably be it for you. Do you
have a website or anything you want to get out there? Yeah, i'd
like to. I'd like everybody to go to truth unders dot com and if
you don't support my project, support any project and tell your friends about it
because it's a great site. Mark. Thank you so much for having me
on. I really appreciate the opportunity. You're very welcome. Thank you,
Jonas. I appreciate it. Thanks for coming on. You guys, have
a great night, Thanks so much. Thank you. All right, so
let me just do something here. Okay, here we go, and so
we're back with just you Mark. All right, and that sounds better.
This signal is much better now. And yeah, so Mark, we have
we have about five or six minutes to the top of the hour. And
there was a question here. If you don't mind, I'm going to ask
ask you this question please. For the first speaker, he sounds like he
feels he's a contactee. Is that? Is that so? Or is that
just what someone is speculating? I I, you know, I couldn't quite
answer that. I feel that probably deep down yes, is there a proof?
No, But I've definitely just been really really intrigued and fascinated with UFOs
and aliens for as long as I can remember. In fact, it was
just it was just last week. I think it was last Monday. I
went to go and walk my dog. It was one thirty am, and
I walk outside, take three steps and I look up and I see a
for the second time of my life, I see three lights. I mean
really big lights very close half mile away that are never there. Ever.
I ran back inside, I grabbed my phone. I round up going back,
and the lights were still there. It's a little bit further away.
I round it, snapping six pictures and throwing them on Twitter instantly, just
like boom boom boom boom, from being there until it disappeared. Have I
been contacted, you know? I don't. I don't know. I don't
know. If there's something about the cover of Litley Streever's book that struck me
as a as a child that I felt that I needed to read it,
I don't. I don't have an answer, one way or another. But
I have had dreams and it's been something that stuck with me and enough to
go ahead and create a platform for people to to create projects to try to
figure out the truth. You know, It's funny. I had a conversation
with my son a few weeks ago, and I thought I had my second
sighting. But you know, I said to him, I'm not even going
to talk and I'm not even going to talk about it. And the reason
I'm not going to talk about it is because it would seem the first one
was unreal to have, first of all, and the second one, like,
I don't even want to talk about it because I'm afraid that I might
lose a little bit of credibility, you know, being the host of the
show. Because a lot of times when people say, you know, they
had this sighting, they had that sighting, and they have so many sightings,
you know, you start to think, hmm, you know, right,
maybe I'm overthinking it, but but you can't get it out of me.
I'm not going to talk about it right right, I mean, and
that's how I feel too. It's the one sighting I'd talked about with particular
people, just people here and there, the one that happened in Walt Creek,
California, and I had researched that, I mean for years I would
go online and research and research the date and look for it and see if
anything else happened, if anybody else saw anything that was clear as day that
was during the day. This other one was, you know, just a
week ago, and it was after I've started this this truth funder stuff.
There's been some there's been a couple of weird, wacky things that have happened
since I've since you know this the conception of this and it was started with
my business partner. He you know, used to work at sort of a
big wig at AOL Time Warner. He's created three other businesses, all that
I've done really well and sold. Yeah, you know, I'm I have
a very legitimate past, you know, like I said earlier, being nominated
for for some prestigious awards. It's it's kind of strange to come out and
talk about all this stuff, but for or what I'm doing the you know,
and and creating right here truth funders, it's it's a necessity to kind
of talk about things that happened. I mean, there's people that I'm sure
I've seen ghosts, have seen strange lights in the sky, that will not
admit to it or will not talk about it. I don't think that,
you know, the more that we keep it to ourselves, the more it
just remains taboo. And you know, if if what I saw in the
sky the other night was not a UFO or some strange object, then it
wasn't and that's great, and that's fine. And you know, I don't
care if something is real or not, as long as there's proof and there's
truth, you know, like with with the underwater Malibu base with with Jimmy.
I'm sure you've heard about that. They discovered that through Google Maps.
You know, whether or not if we're ever able to go down there and
discover it. And let's say it is a UFO base, well, a
heck, we just nailed the jackpot. But let's say it's not a UFO
base and it's rock formations. We know what. Now we know that,
and now we know the truth. And that's all that That's all that I
care about, and I think that's what we what we all care about is
is finding out the answers to these items like what's what's real, what's not
and and it doesn't have to be x files music playing before you know,
when you're watching the news and they're talking about is citing that ten different people
saw and so it's actually making the news and then they play the UFO or
the X files music just to kind of make it campy. Uh. It
doesn't have to be that way. It can just be people explaining what they
see or talking about what they see or what they've experienced. It shouldn't be
taboo. Well, getting back to the Malibu underwater thing, I had a
conversation with Jimmy Church. I'm not Jimmy Church. I'm sorry with least people
about that. He was uh and he found out some geological information about that
and was due to go on Jimmy Church's show, and then Jimmy Church did
not call him. So I think that has been explained. But that's,
like you said, that's just another one of the things that people are are
looking to find answers for. Just real quick, because we're at the top
of the hour. Did you I'm gonna say, I'm going to admit that
I didn't report what I saw recently. I just I just didn't and I
just wondered and shame on me, and I wondered, did you report either
one of your sightings? I reported it on Twitter, but did I record
it on on a move on site? I did not. Yeah, just
wondering, And it just kind of goes along with what I've seen in audiences.
When the questions asked how many people think they've seen a UFO, the
hands go up. How many people reported it? It's about ten percent,
right, So think I think that's kind of a fascinating number, and I
understand it. All right, So we're coming up. This is it for
this part of the show, and if you're listening live, hang in here.
I have to do all kinds of things at once here. Yeah,
and I think, just if I could say real quick, I think Jimmy
and Lee they wound up, you know, working out all the difference,
all the difference whatever happen. I think there was, you know, they
had a show together and all that stuff worked out. So that was that
was good. But that I didn't know. I did not know that part.
So yeah, all right, so we're coming back. We're coming back
in the next hour and we're going to have Rick fire Is on for a
while. So that's it for the show. And remember you can listen to
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That information is right on our website podcastufo dot com. And next week I'm
not really sure who's coming up. I had someone drop out of me,
so it'll be a surprise guest next week. Thank you Bruce Rainier and Carrie
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even though Alejandro give you some trouble about it. You can check us out
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