1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:03,960 And it hits me, Oh my gosh, this is that triangle. You 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:08,039 know, there's explanation for everything that appeared in the Randal schamparsident. It doesn't 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:12,960 involve aliens at all. It was completely silent. It comes right over our 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:18,239 heads. It's so classic Fly Sorcier really standing in the cleary, he turned 5 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:20,839 over to my father and held his hand, and he looked in his eyes 6 00:00:20,879 --> 00:00:28,920 and said, we're not alone. Welcome to Podcast UFO for our live show. 7 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:33,880 We're live every Wednesday at eight pm Eastern Standard Time on the Dark Matter 8 00:00:34,039 --> 00:00:40,719 Radio Network. Please remember to visit the website podcastufo dot com for past episodes, 9 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,960 blogs, and forums. During the show, feel free to participate live 10 00:00:45,039 --> 00:00:49,000 in our chat room, and don't forget to like us on our very active 11 00:00:49,079 --> 00:00:54,799 Facebook page. Hello everyone, this is Martin willis your host, and we 12 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:59,920 have another good one coming at you tonight. Our guest later on is Mark 13 00:01:00,079 --> 00:01:04,239 Schwartz from Truth Funders. Before that, of course, we have Alejandro Rojas 14 00:01:04,599 --> 00:01:11,439 from Open Minds Radio to talk to us about the latest UFO events. If 15 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,959 you want to subscribe to hear the second hour of the podcast, go to 16 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:19,120 get Joidride dot com. Slash podcast ufo, don't front. The link is 17 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:25,840 right on our website. 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And he is from overseas I can tell that, and so 37 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:49,719 is Anders Jay, and then we have a David M. So and we 38 00:02:49,759 --> 00:02:53,560 have a lot of one dollar subscribers. I want to thank you all for 39 00:02:53,599 --> 00:02:58,000 that. I mean, we have so many people subscribing that other podcasts that 40 00:02:58,479 --> 00:03:00,919 are in the same campaign have been untacting me and asking me what I'm doing 41 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:06,560 because they're not doing quite as well, and I wish them best of luck. 42 00:03:06,599 --> 00:03:10,439 I'm trying to help them out. And I really do appreciate all the 43 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:15,240 nice email and support that we are getting for our shows. I love doing 44 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:19,039 the show, you can probably tell, and I hope to continue doing it. 45 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,120 Our website did crash this last week once again. I had it on 46 00:03:23,199 --> 00:03:28,680 sort of like a its own server, but it was a cloud and now 47 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,240 we had to put it on its own special dedicated server and this is a 48 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:36,240 gold plated problem, getting to so much traffic that, you know, the 49 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:40,319 site just keeps crashing. I am going to be stopping my chatting here and 50 00:03:40,479 --> 00:03:46,000 introducing Alejandro Rojas right now. How are you, Alejandro? I am doing 51 00:03:46,319 --> 00:03:53,520 pretty well, but extremely busy getting ready for the UFO Congress. Yes. 52 00:03:53,639 --> 00:04:00,120 And you know, by the way, guess guess what I'm purchasing tomorrow a 53 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:09,599 laser gun. That and I am purchasing a ticket to come out to the 54 00:04:09,639 --> 00:04:16,879 Phoenix area on February seventeenth. Yeah. Sweet, that's awesome. I'm so 55 00:04:16,959 --> 00:04:20,120 excited. And what's kind of cool about this year, although I'm a little 56 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:24,680 bit worried about it. There are so many people coming to it that haven't 57 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,680 been there before, such as yourself, people I've known and work with for 58 00:04:27,759 --> 00:04:30,959 a while. That, and then my mom and my sister are going to 59 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,720 be there. Hopefully I have time to say hi to everybody. It's such 60 00:04:32,759 --> 00:04:36,240 a busy, busy event, but I am excited because I know people will 61 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:41,319 love it because it's a gorgeous venue. And I was, you know, 62 00:04:41,399 --> 00:04:46,319 going over our program. We're looking that over, getting that ready to print, 63 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,399 and the speakers are just so cool. I mean, we've got Ryl 64 00:04:49,439 --> 00:04:54,639 Costa from New York talking about New York UFOs. Her talk looks cool. 65 00:04:54,759 --> 00:05:00,959 James Clarkson worked with Muffon and he is talking about this amazing witness who worked 66 00:05:00,959 --> 00:05:05,399 at Wright Patterson Air Force Base. We've got that Joan Bird who did about 67 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:12,120 UFOs in Montana, Linda Zimmerman who wrote about Hudson Valley UFOs and did a 68 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,639 film on it. Just these amazing people that some people might not have heard 69 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,480 of before. And if you haven't had these people on your show, you've 70 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:23,519 got to because they're great, but just have done some excellent work that people 71 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:28,680 are gonna love. I was just talking about Joan Bird the last podcast I 72 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:32,879 did with the doctor Artie Clark Big Scaler. Yeah, yep. And because 73 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:38,680 they're good friends, and Joan was going to be on the show and her 74 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,920 email vaporized, so hopefully she will be on the show. We can talk 75 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,160 about that later and I can get her on prior to possibly get her on 76 00:05:46,199 --> 00:05:49,680 prior to being out there, and you know, talk a little bit about 77 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:56,639 she's going to talk about out there a little more extra promotion. But anyway, 78 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,959 I'm really looking forward to it, and I really would like to do 79 00:06:00,079 --> 00:06:04,639 some type of round robin live during you know, during the live spot on 80 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:08,839 this show right from there, and I'm going to be talking to you, 81 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,879 you know, offline. Of course, I'm trying to see if I can 82 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,600 make that happen. Sounds like it would be a lot of fun and interesting. 83 00:06:15,439 --> 00:06:20,319 That would be excellent and excellent. I'm going to do another podcast on 84 00:06:20,439 --> 00:06:25,000 location, and I'm just kind of I'm gonna do it live, of course, 85 00:06:25,319 --> 00:06:28,000 live on the radio, but I just wanted to kind of give the 86 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,800 listener that throw that out there that toward the end of this month, just 87 00:06:31,959 --> 00:06:35,560 like in two weeks or so, or possibly a little bit later, I'm 88 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:41,800 going to be traveling down to the Baltimore area and doing a live podcast with 89 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:46,480 a really interesting gentleman with some amazing things that he's going to be showing me 90 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:50,839 so interesting that I decided I'm just going to do the podcast right with him 91 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:55,079 right there. That'll be fun. Yeah, that'll be a lot of fun. 92 00:06:55,439 --> 00:06:57,600 All right, So, now we plugged you, we plugged me. 93 00:06:57,759 --> 00:07:00,319 We're all set to do the news. Yeah yeah, Okay, now that 94 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,000 we've plugged everybody and been all nice, nice, I'm going to give you 95 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:11,839 some crap for something you did today. You posted a Facebook story that is 96 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,399 our story and you didn't post us. But it's not necessarily your fault. 97 00:07:15,399 --> 00:07:20,800 Partially, well, it is very much your fault actually. So there's the 98 00:07:20,839 --> 00:07:26,399 Project blue Book files went online. John Greenwald posted those. They're all free 99 00:07:26,439 --> 00:07:30,279 in PDF format, they're searchable. I wrote a story about it because I'm 100 00:07:30,319 --> 00:07:34,519 so happy with what John Greenwald did here. Funny enough cool, which is 101 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:39,199 really cool. The Daily Mail picked it up and they linked to us and 102 00:07:39,199 --> 00:07:42,800 gave us credit, which is great. But then a bunch of other news 103 00:07:42,839 --> 00:07:46,240 sources now have picked up the Daily Mail story and they've kind of dropped us, 104 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:51,040 so they're not even mentioning us, but they are mentioning John Greenwald and 105 00:07:51,079 --> 00:07:55,959 putting a link to the Black Fault, which is good because that's the whole 106 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,519 point of this. But you posted one of these copycat stories, I think 107 00:07:59,519 --> 00:08:03,560 from the who dropped us, and so well, she could have got it 108 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:11,439 from the source. Yes, And you know, I have a good she's 109 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:13,560 listening right now. I know she is. Peggy. Peggy's the one who 110 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:16,560 is great. She works, she is great, and she works really hard 111 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:20,519 at the Facebook you're passing the buck. I am. But I'm also gonna 112 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:26,160 say this that Peggy would never mean to do any harm, so it's just 113 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:30,600 totally an oversight. I think Peggy could do some harm. She seems like 114 00:08:30,759 --> 00:08:35,679 a person who is able to take care of and handle herself. Absolutely, 115 00:08:35,759 --> 00:08:37,879 I wouldn't want to mess with her. She seems like, you know, 116 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:43,720 she could do harm to someone if she she got upset enough. That's my 117 00:08:43,879 --> 00:08:46,519 Peggy. Yes, yeah, so, but this is really cool. It's 118 00:08:46,519 --> 00:08:50,720 cool that the story got picked up. A lot of people are or not 119 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:52,639 a lot of people. Some people are saying, hey, he skilled some 120 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:56,480 files from someone else, but that's not the case. And just to clear 121 00:08:56,519 --> 00:08:58,919 that up for any of your listeners, there was a gentleman. He went 122 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,840 by on above top secret in some other places something like extreme was his name, 123 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,360 And his name is anonymous, even though I know his name because he 124 00:09:07,399 --> 00:09:11,720 emailed me and other organizations and said, hey, I've got all the blue 125 00:09:11,759 --> 00:09:16,919 Book files. You can download them here. It wasn't an easy task to 126 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:18,799 do it either. The way he set it up. It was like two 127 00:09:18,919 --> 00:09:24,720 hundred gigs of picture files. It took two days for me to download. 128 00:09:24,919 --> 00:09:28,840 And he's like please post this. But that's not easy. People don't understand. 129 00:09:28,879 --> 00:09:31,600 Just because you have those files, it's extremely difficult to then get those 130 00:09:31,639 --> 00:09:35,759 on your server, to host them online and then format them. You're talking 131 00:09:35,759 --> 00:09:39,879 about thousands of files, so you got to create thousands of links to get 132 00:09:39,919 --> 00:09:43,440 those up there. So I couldn't do it. Mofon asked us if we 133 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,240 could help them do it. We said, unfortunately, we don't have the 134 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:50,559 time to do that. But John Greenwald is smart enough where he worked with 135 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:56,559 this extreme guy and he was able to create some programs that automated the process, 136 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:00,879 turned them into PDFs that are searchable, and then and he was able 137 00:10:00,919 --> 00:10:03,600 to post them. And it's awesome that he did that. And he had 138 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:07,320 to know how to do that. So he didn't steal these from the extreme 139 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:11,960 guy. He actually worked with that guy to get them up on his site. 140 00:10:11,279 --> 00:10:15,720 That guy has I won't use his real name because he's wanted to remain 141 00:10:15,799 --> 00:10:20,320 anonymous, but just so people know, you know, John didn't steal those 142 00:10:20,399 --> 00:10:22,879 and he had to do a lot of work to get those files up. 143 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,639 And some people have said, well, they're kind of free, lots of 144 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:31,240 them on a site called fold three, But there are all pictures. You 145 00:10:31,279 --> 00:10:35,159 can't you know, the search ability is nowhere near as nice as these PDFs, 146 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:39,039 which you can easily download from John Greenwald's site, So it is a 147 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:43,559 feat. It is great. When I researched blue Book, you know, 148 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,440 it used to be very difficult to find those files, even with fold three. 149 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,480 It was a bit of an effort. But and I had to pay 150 00:10:50,799 --> 00:10:54,159 to get access to download those at fold three when I first went on there. 151 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,919 Now they offer him for free. But if I had the Greenwald database, 152 00:11:00,879 --> 00:11:03,120 I would, And even though I have him on a hard drive that 153 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:07,879 I slap around, I'm actually just going to use John Greenwold's site from here 154 00:11:07,879 --> 00:11:13,639 on out to access those because it's been difficult to get to all of the 155 00:11:13,759 --> 00:11:16,720 Bluebook files prior to this. So I think it's a big deal. I'm 156 00:11:16,759 --> 00:11:20,879 glad these other stories have picked it up and are running with it as well. 157 00:11:20,039 --> 00:11:24,600 I think it's I think it's absolutely great. And yeah, that website 158 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:30,480 above top Secret gets traffic like you can't believe. This is only good. 159 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:35,080 Yeah, it's going to excel you know even higher. Well, these are 160 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:39,080 all on the Black Vault, Oh, the Black Vault. Yeah, what 161 00:11:39,159 --> 00:11:43,960 was I thinking? Above Top secret. I had mentioned above top Secret because 162 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:50,879 originally that two hundred gig download was posted on above top secret. Okay, 163 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:54,120 all right, and that's why people think John just stole those and posted those. 164 00:11:54,159 --> 00:11:58,279 But he did do it in cooperation and he did get credit on his 165 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,440 site too. So there's some cannspiracy theories out there that I would like to 166 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:07,720 quelch that John deserves the credit he's getting. Yeah, yep. John's a 167 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:09,240 good guy. He's going to be on the show soon, he says, 168 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,919 hopefully he will be. He's a good guy. I like. I like 169 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,639 the work he's done. Oh and this story too. Just to follow up, 170 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:18,240 I did do an interview with him, so he talks about the posting 171 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:22,240 of those files and some good in fight andsightful stuff there. All right, 172 00:12:22,279 --> 00:12:26,639 so someone can listen to that. Now I'm gonna plug you again, even 173 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:30,039 though, yeah, you know, you just bashed me. So that's that's 174 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:35,080 on Openminds dot tv. You can find that correct Openminds dot tv, the 175 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:41,360 place for UFO news and right here, So carry on, son. Another 176 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:46,879 one that I wanted to talk about is just the day after we talked, 177 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:52,080 and I think I was researching this when we did talk last there was a 178 00:12:52,159 --> 00:13:01,440 story about thousands of people seeing UFO in Argentina. This was about a week 179 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:07,159 ago, last Sunday, a week and a half and ago now, and 180 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:11,120 this was mostly in the town of I'm not even sure how to say it. 181 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:15,559 It's like Gualle gu Waitu, Guale gu Waitchu, something like that in 182 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:20,639 Argentina, really very near Uruguay. But a lot of people saw this light 183 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:26,240 flying over in some of the videos. I went and I found several videos 184 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,799 people posted online of these lights. You can see people out in the street 185 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:35,039 looking at it. It slowly moved over the city. Then in another city 186 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:39,399 about twenty miles away, they spotted it as well, and so this was 187 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:43,480 kind of a big deal. A lot of the Argentina news was covering it. 188 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,879 In these videos, you can't see a whole lot. People described it 189 00:13:48,919 --> 00:13:52,440 as a slow moving, blinking light that was stationary for a while then would 190 00:13:52,519 --> 00:14:00,879 move. Some people said that it zigzagged at times, and so there's different 191 00:14:00,919 --> 00:14:03,200 reports. Of course, that would be really weird if they're zigzagging. Some 192 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:07,399 people have said, well, it's probably a quad cropter or a drone, 193 00:14:07,759 --> 00:14:09,440 but a lot of the witnesses had said no, they don't think so, 194 00:14:09,799 --> 00:14:13,600 and they argue that if that was the case, you know, it wouldn't 195 00:14:13,639 --> 00:14:18,039 have been seen twenty miles away. So a lot of people in Argentina were 196 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:22,799 excited about this, and there are lots of videos up on this one. 197 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:26,000 Cool. Well, that's great when you have that many witnesses. Yeah, 198 00:14:26,159 --> 00:14:30,840 yeah, so that's a pretty cool one. Yeah. Yeah. So our 199 00:14:30,919 --> 00:14:35,320 last story of the evening, the last one is for our UK listeners. 200 00:14:35,399 --> 00:14:39,559 Again, some of them may be aware of it because it's starting to get 201 00:14:39,399 --> 00:14:43,360 all over their news out there in the UK. But one of their stories 202 00:14:43,519 --> 00:14:48,320 or one of their papers are Chronicle, had posted this story about a UFO 203 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:54,919 over the town of Tenemuth, and this was Monday. The video or the 204 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:01,200 UFO was recorded. But essentially, this gentleman who's a venture capitalists I believe, 205 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:05,639 was going outside to Waka's dog at about eleven thirty and he saw an 206 00:15:05,799 --> 00:15:11,159 unusual light. He said, it wasn't he's used to the planes. It 207 00:15:11,279 --> 00:15:16,320 was moving like a plane, it was different colors and he thought it was 208 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:20,879 really weird. He video taped it and posted that video, and so the 209 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:26,279 story's getting out there and this isn't just a UFO siding story. It's also 210 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:31,759 a story to watch out because this video the gentleman said, I recorded it, 211 00:15:31,799 --> 00:15:37,679 and it looks like a pulsating light that's pulsating different colors and his diamond 212 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:43,159 shape. However, some of you may be aware, but there are lots 213 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:50,120 of diamond shape UFO videos on the internet, but that is not the UFO 214 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,799 shape. What that is is the aperture in the camera. What happens is 215 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,679 if you have a bright point of light in the sky and you get it 216 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:00,759 out of focus, it'll turn whatever shape the app is, and most apertures 217 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,720 are diamond shape, so you're going to see that diamond shape. So unfortunately, 218 00:16:06,159 --> 00:16:11,759 this is not an accurate representation of what that craft looks like. Also, 219 00:16:11,919 --> 00:16:17,559 often it can look like it's changing colors because of the atmosphere. However, 220 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:22,440 when you do watch this co this video, you can see that there's 221 00:16:22,519 --> 00:16:26,159 something pulsating there, but of course that could be a plane light. So 222 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:30,519 the video isn't conclusive that it's not a plane, but something was there. 223 00:16:30,639 --> 00:16:33,840 So really, in this case, you have to rely on the witness testimony 224 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,519 in that he says, you know it wasn't a plane, that it was 225 00:16:37,559 --> 00:16:41,799 something different than that, but of course then it's just anecdotal, but people 226 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,639 can go look at that, and that's a story that's in the UK News 227 00:16:45,799 --> 00:16:49,080 today. Well, you also, every once in a while you hear about 228 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:53,200 these diamond shaped crafts that people actually see, like for instance, some I 229 00:16:53,279 --> 00:16:59,919 believe cash landrum case. I believe that is a cash true and it was 230 00:17:00,159 --> 00:17:03,840 more of a taller diamond shape. So that's a good point. That doesn't 231 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:08,640 mean that people haven't seen diamond shaped craft But this story all day has maken 232 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:14,359 out going over and over in my head is shine bright like a diamond, 233 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,359 shright like a diamond. But now I've got that stick in your listener's head 234 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:22,000 as well. Yeah and mine. Thanks a lot, buddy. Hey, 235 00:17:22,279 --> 00:17:25,519 uh huh, Well we'll be talking to you next week. All right, 236 00:17:25,599 --> 00:17:29,559 awesome, thanks man, my pleasure, and uh so hang in there and 237 00:17:29,599 --> 00:17:33,440 we'll be right back with Mark Schwartz. This music is by Bruce Rainier. 238 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:56,880 Thanks Mark Schwartz for joining us and from Truth Funders. I believe we spoke 239 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:02,440 a little bit earlier. You know, I've been crazy bit with a startup 240 00:19:03,079 --> 00:19:07,839 that I'm involved in, and I never really got to look to see exactly 241 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:14,039 what truth Funders is so the audience listening audience out there and I are going 242 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,519 to all find out together. And by the way, if you're listening live 243 00:19:17,759 --> 00:19:22,400 in the Dark Matter Radio Network, you can jump over to podcastufo dot com 244 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:26,440 into the chat room. It's real quick, easy signing. You can ask 245 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:30,880 our ask our guests some questions. And we have a couple of other guests 246 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:36,480 coming up. We have Jonas Is coming up. Jonas, I don't know 247 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,759 Pachunka. Is that how you say his last name? It's close, we 248 00:19:40,799 --> 00:19:45,839 can ask him. He'll be coming up involved in the truth Funders as well, 249 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,720 coming up in a half hour, I mean fifteen minutes or so. 250 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:53,200 And then in the second hour of this show, we'll have Rick Fryer on 251 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:57,279 as well. So first of all, let's hear it. What is truth 252 00:19:57,279 --> 00:20:07,359 Funders. Truth Funders is a crowdfunding platform specifically designed for the paranormal. You 253 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:11,240 know, I'm a big fan of the paranormal of Art Bell. I grew 254 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:18,599 up listening to Art Bell, and I've been working in the technology and video 255 00:20:18,799 --> 00:20:25,400 production world for the past fifteen years. I helped create a language called TVML, 256 00:20:25,519 --> 00:20:30,160 which is the television markup language, and created a lot of Applications and 257 00:20:30,319 --> 00:20:36,599 was nominated for a Primetime Interactive Media and me back in twenty ten for some 258 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:40,799 of the work that I did so here in Silicon Valley, I was constantly, 259 00:20:41,279 --> 00:20:47,640 you know, making the trek from northern California to southern California and bringing 260 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:51,400 them the latest tech that they could use, because, as we all know, 261 00:20:52,079 --> 00:20:56,319 Hollywood is changing and the way you know, the broadcasts, people aren't 262 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:02,559 plugged in as they used to be. Now everybody streams things and watches TV 263 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:07,519 through their computer. They call us chord cutters, and places like Comcast are 264 00:21:07,559 --> 00:21:12,000 not big fans of chord cutters, but the new generation that's that's how a 265 00:21:12,039 --> 00:21:18,400 lot of us actually get our information and our television. So, you know, 266 00:21:18,599 --> 00:21:22,440 while I was doing this, and while I've been working on all these 267 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:27,319 different projects and social media projects and video projects, I while I code all 268 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:33,680 day and while I work all day long, I listen to old art bell 269 00:21:33,799 --> 00:21:37,480 podcasts, and that led me to new podcasts that are out there. You 270 00:21:37,519 --> 00:21:41,799 can only get so much of the old before you need to know what's new 271 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:48,519 and what's happening and what's going on. So I started listening to things like 272 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:53,599 you know, Dark Matter Radio, network, a lot of other different podcasts, 273 00:21:53,599 --> 00:21:57,880 a lot of other different paranormal podcasts, and something that I heard all 274 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:03,640 the time was that people needed funding. They needed funding for the projects to 275 00:22:03,759 --> 00:22:11,880 test you know, bigfoot DNA or to test DNA from potential extraterrestrial DNA. 276 00:22:12,519 --> 00:22:18,799 And so out of this, I started thinking about you know, places like 277 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:23,640 kickstarters that are out there, and what crowdfunding is is where you have a 278 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,640 project and you put it online and you say, hey, I need ten 279 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:32,920 thousand dollars, I need five thousand dollars in order to get this project up 280 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,720 and running. That project could be a book, it could be a documentary, 281 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,519 it can be all sorts of things. But what happens is that if 282 00:22:41,519 --> 00:22:45,920 you're really into UFOs and trying to create the UFO documentary and you put it 283 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:51,440 on a place like one of these bigger sites, it gets lost in the 284 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:55,240 shuffle. There are so many projects that are on these sites, and a 285 00:22:55,240 --> 00:23:00,480 lot of the people that are going to some of those bigger crowdfunding sites aren't 286 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:07,160 really looking for you know, paranormal projects, and if they are looking for 287 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:14,319 them, they're very difficult to find. So what I started doing was thinking 288 00:23:14,319 --> 00:23:22,960 about this idea of crowdfunding and creating a specific niche, specifically for the paranormal, 289 00:23:22,279 --> 00:23:26,559 so people could get that type of money that they need for research, 290 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:33,920 for documentaries, for their conspiracy theories, for eufology, you know, anything 291 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:37,519 that has to do with the paranormal. They can put their project there. 292 00:23:37,599 --> 00:23:42,960 It's a safe place. And also for other people that do podcasts, you 293 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:48,480 know, they could get their news from truth Funders and see what some of 294 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,559 the latest projects that people out there in the world are actually creating and doing 295 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:57,960 in order to seek the truth. And so that was the beginning and the 296 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:04,000 conceptualization and for truth Funders. And how is it going so far? Well, 297 00:24:04,039 --> 00:24:07,079 we launched about a week and a half or two weeks ago, we 298 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:11,799 did our initial launch and so we just have a couple of projects on right 299 00:24:11,839 --> 00:24:17,559 now. We have about six projects that are up. We have twenty projects 300 00:24:17,599 --> 00:24:21,880 in our arsenal and we are releasing them slowly, sort of every day or 301 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:26,000 two there's a new project that shows up on the site, and you know, 302 00:24:26,079 --> 00:24:32,000 it's word of mouth. We actually we've sponsored Jimmy Church's show Fade to 303 00:24:32,039 --> 00:24:37,319 Black, so that's helped to you know, open open the doors to let 304 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,759 people know that we're out there, and not only that, but through social 305 00:24:41,839 --> 00:24:45,920 media, we have a lot of the So our team is there's eight of 306 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,200 us. There's four of us based here in the United States, and then 307 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,319 there's four of us in the UK working you know, the night shift where 308 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:59,279 we can't stay up all night working here in California, so the late shift 309 00:24:59,319 --> 00:25:04,920 goes to the p all over in the UK. And so it's it's going, 310 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:11,880 it's going slowly. We've actually we've actually had an enormous amount of traffic 311 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,680 to the site, so that we've had in the in the two weeks that 312 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,160 we've been open, we've had about four thousand people visit the site, which 313 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:23,039 is fantastic. I mean, that's great, But as far as donations and 314 00:25:23,079 --> 00:25:29,440 people donating to projects, that's been a little bit But just to be honest, 315 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,799 that's been a little bit slower, and I think people need to begin 316 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,480 to trust it and need to begin to understand it, you know, what's 317 00:25:37,519 --> 00:25:41,559 out there. And also I think that once we have several hundred projects on 318 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,880 the site, that's going to change because people can look and search on truth 319 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:52,079 Funders through you know a lot of these other crowdfunding platforms. You look for 320 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:56,319 movies and you click on movie, and then there's hundreds of thousands of different 321 00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:03,640 projects of movies that people are trying to have people donate to, whereas on 322 00:26:03,839 --> 00:26:08,839 our site you can click on Bigfoot or UFO or alien abduction, and then 323 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:15,240 it's not so much by by movie, but it's by category. So you 324 00:26:15,279 --> 00:26:19,839 know, if there's someone creating trying to fund a book on alien abduction, 325 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:26,519 they would find it under the category of alien abduction. They could also find 326 00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:29,960 movies that are there, so it's more in tune to the search of what 327 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:36,599 people like in this specific genre. Uh huh. Now, how we got 328 00:26:36,599 --> 00:26:42,079 together was Richard Cutting Yes, from Milgrim and the fast Walkers. He's he 329 00:26:42,519 --> 00:26:45,799 and he said he had conversations that you thought you'd make a good guest. 330 00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:52,359 Uh. He's a great guy. I always enjoy talking him. Now I'm 331 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:53,799 going to ask you. First of all, you and I had a conversation 332 00:26:53,920 --> 00:27:00,000 yesterday and I was you know, I was out in your town, which 333 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,880 which I think is pretty ironic, the very town you live in, San 334 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,079 Rafel, California. I lived there, you know, and you know exactly 335 00:27:07,079 --> 00:27:10,839 when I told you where I lived, where I lived in these different places 336 00:27:11,319 --> 00:27:14,640 in nice and warm out there. It's freezing back here. But I want 337 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:21,359 to ask you what started you on this path, the interest of the paranormal 338 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:26,160 in general and UFOs if you can touch on that topic as well, absolutely 339 00:27:26,319 --> 00:27:32,160 well. So my dad is a geologist. He works for the United States 340 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:37,880 Geological Survey, and so science has been something that has really been very big 341 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,440 in my family and my life. You know, since I was a child, 342 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:47,519 I became my dad's a big sci fi fan. I became obsessed with 343 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:52,160 aliens. When I was I don't know, seven or eight years old. 344 00:27:52,079 --> 00:27:56,240 There was an original time Life series books and I don't know if you remember 345 00:27:56,279 --> 00:28:00,160 these books, but they would have this commercial and it would say three men 346 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:06,880 were lost in the middle of the forest. One of them suddenly started floating 347 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:11,440 into the sky towards a spaceship, like what happened find out in the Time 348 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,039 Life Mysteries of the Unknown. And this was something that just captured me. 349 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,160 I had my parents, I begged them to order these books for me. 350 00:28:19,799 --> 00:28:26,839 I started just There's always been a connection, and I'm not exactly sure what 351 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,640 that connection is, but I'm finding out more and more as I get older 352 00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:34,920 what that connection is. And I don't know if I should necessarily go into 353 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:41,279 it right now on the podcast, but I've had some experiences. Back in 354 00:28:41,319 --> 00:28:48,039 two thousand and seven, I was actually in downtown Walmant Creek, California, 355 00:28:48,079 --> 00:28:52,440 which is, you know, close to Santa Fell, and I was getting 356 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:57,960 out of my car going to Kinko's just to fact some papers and make some 357 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:03,920 copies for the business that I was working at then and literally got out of 358 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,799 my car, looked up into the sky and I had my first UFO sighting 359 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:12,319 in the middle of the day, and I was just astonished. It was 360 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:17,400 right before the iPhone came out, so you couldn't take pictures. I had 361 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,039 a flip phone. I couldn't. You know, it wasn't worth it, 362 00:29:21,119 --> 00:29:23,079 you know. In my mind, it was like, just look at this, 363 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,480 Stare at this, enjoy this experience. Don't try to capture it on 364 00:29:27,559 --> 00:29:32,799 your phone because you're not going to get that picture. But that was something 365 00:29:32,839 --> 00:29:37,440 that really just, I mean made me a believer. And then from that 366 00:29:37,559 --> 00:29:41,480 moment on, I started to have I started to have dreams, and the 367 00:29:41,559 --> 00:29:45,200 dreams just kept coming. And I had these dreams when I was a child 368 00:29:45,319 --> 00:29:52,559 as well. There were these dreams that continued continuation dreams where I was fighting 369 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,880 a war, and I was in a war and I was helping people. 370 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:03,119 It was an interplanetary war. And without saying all this stuff to make me 371 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,440 sound you know, totally bizarre and insane. These were these dreams that continued 372 00:30:07,519 --> 00:30:15,000 to grow and move forward as as I got older. In fact, I 373 00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:19,039 was spending the night at this girl's house for the first time ever. It 374 00:30:19,119 --> 00:30:22,359 was like the first night I had spent at her house. She had three 375 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,759 roommates, and it just happened to be the night that I was sleeping there. 376 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:33,079 I had this dream where forever the UFO was chasing me in all the 377 00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:37,640 previous dreams I had, but in this particular dream, the UFO came and 378 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:42,000 and you know, the light beam came down from the UFO and sucked me 379 00:30:42,119 --> 00:30:47,799 up, and I screamed. I stood out of bed and I just just 380 00:30:47,839 --> 00:30:52,519 stood there screaming ah at the top of my lungs. And I frightened. 381 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,920 This poor girl that you know, you know, she had invited me to 382 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,920 spend the night. She's like, what what and her weights to come running 383 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,160 in and it was just it was it was laughable. I guess at the 384 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:10,319 moment, but I was dripping in sweat, and I've had these experiences and 385 00:31:10,359 --> 00:31:15,319 they've been a part of me for my life. And so this is something 386 00:31:15,359 --> 00:31:18,319 that I felt that I wanted to give back to the community. I really 387 00:31:18,319 --> 00:31:22,240 feel that truth Funders is a way to give back to the community and for 388 00:31:22,319 --> 00:31:29,759 our community to have a place to, you know, safely put our projects 389 00:31:29,799 --> 00:31:34,400 there without them being mocked by the rest of the world or shunned by you 390 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,640 know, some of the bigger crowdfunding platforms. And to actually have a place 391 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:45,960 for us to to trust and and and to you know, and to for 392 00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:51,119 the believers to help fund the people believing and actually getting off their butts and 393 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:55,960 doing something and creating a project and trying to do something good and different in 394 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,960 this world. Well, yeah, that's very good. Was so ready to 395 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:05,200 connect with Jonas, but I just wanted to ask you how that relationship turned 396 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:13,000 out. Uh it didn't shortly thereafter, didn't have anything to do with that 397 00:32:13,119 --> 00:32:17,480 particular you know instance. But I'm happy. I'm happily engaged now to a 398 00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:24,519 wonderful woman and she has she has stood by me while I've gone on this 399 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:30,640 venture of creating truth Funders, and uh, it's it's been. You know, 400 00:32:30,759 --> 00:32:32,640 she's been. She's been right there with me the whole time. In 401 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:37,720 fact, she was the one who came up with the name truth Funders after 402 00:32:37,359 --> 00:32:43,319 my business partner and I were trying to tackle a proper name for so long. 403 00:32:44,279 --> 00:32:49,279 So so you know, when you have someone there who doesn't quite necessarily 404 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,720 understand but supports, Uh, that's a that's a beautiful thing, it really 405 00:32:52,759 --> 00:33:00,000 is. Okay, let's uh, let's give Jonas a try. Alrighty, 406 00:33:00,279 --> 00:33:02,200 yeah, Joe, go ahead, just real quickly. I heard just a 407 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:07,599 slight bit of feedback just a second. Do you have ear ear plugs in? 408 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,559 I mean ear your phone's in? I do? Yeah? Okay, 409 00:33:09,559 --> 00:33:14,000 all right, pretty good. Jonas are you there? Yes, sir, 410 00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:15,799 I am. How are you tonight? Very good? And Jonas, can 411 00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:19,319 you pronounce your last name? Because I think I kind of butchered it. 412 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,599 You did not, You nailed it. Shanka is my last name? Excellent 413 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:28,279 job? Okay, very good. And you're you're in New York? I 414 00:33:28,319 --> 00:33:30,680 am, Well, I'm in New York, all right, so you're on 415 00:33:30,839 --> 00:33:35,319 uh it's you're an Eastern standard time and let's uh, let's talk about I 416 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,119 like I love the title of your book, Oh mg u f o ss 417 00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:45,240 So, so let's let's talk about your book and how this relates to the 418 00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:47,599 Truth Funders. Well, thank you so much, and I just want to 419 00:33:47,599 --> 00:33:52,039 say it's a pleasure for for you having me on. I'm very excited to 420 00:33:52,039 --> 00:33:55,480 be here, and I'd also like to thank Mark for acting as my benefactor 421 00:33:55,519 --> 00:34:00,279 with this project. It's incredibly difficult to gain momentum with something like this, 422 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:06,079 and you know whether or not the gum chewing public likes it. Euthology is 423 00:34:06,119 --> 00:34:12,679 becoming more and more of an established science and it's slowly penetrating the mainstream media. 424 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:19,559 And as we look across the spectrum that transcends media that's available for young 425 00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:22,280 adults today, and by young adults I mean anywhere from ten years old all 426 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:27,000 the way up to eighteen years old, obviously depending upon the maturity level. 427 00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:30,400 What's out there for them in terms of ethology. Of course, we have 428 00:34:30,519 --> 00:34:37,840 shows like Ancient Italians and H two I think has been instrumental in our cause 429 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:45,159 and as much as it exposes it exposes the public to euthology, but in 430 00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:50,400 a very shallow sense, and when they want to young adults want to go 431 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,519 beyond the television and really go in depth. There's not much out there for 432 00:34:54,559 --> 00:35:00,559 them. There are books that are very deep and probably wouldn't hold the attention 433 00:35:00,679 --> 00:35:05,239 span of most eults that I know to be honest with you, let alone 434 00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:09,280 a young adult. So we need something that closes that gap. We need 435 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:15,639 something that goes between ancient aliens and perhaps a video game that they would be 436 00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:20,239 sitting in front of for hours, or maybe a comic book that's going to 437 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,960 entertain them for ten minutes. It's we need something that's going to grab hold 438 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:29,000 of them and teach them that this is not something that should should be frowned 439 00:35:29,039 --> 00:35:34,559 upon. This is not thing that should be looked as as passe or or 440 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,599 row away topic. You know. Listening to Mark talk earlier about the experience 441 00:35:38,639 --> 00:35:44,320 he had with the UFO and before he told his story, which was an 442 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,800 excellent story Mark, if I don't say so myself, he said, I 443 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:52,159 don't want to sound like a crazy person. There's something to that extent, 444 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:58,039 and you know what you don't. You don't to me, you don't to 445 00:35:58,159 --> 00:36:04,079 many other people who support what you're doing and support this notion of uthology and 446 00:36:04,119 --> 00:36:10,480 the paranormal. It's not a crazy topic, and I think that for years 447 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:20,679 the mainstream media has been instilling upon the public that notion, that notion that 448 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:25,280 ethology is crazy. And now we're slowly starting to make headway there and it's 449 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:30,239 slowly starting to open up to a broader audience, if you will. And 450 00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:37,960 what omg UFO is looking to do is to expand that audience to not only 451 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:42,840 adults who have this curiosity, but young adults as well, because they're going 452 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,880 to be doing what the three of us are doing right now twenty years from 453 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:52,159 it. Right. Well, I agree, you know, there seems to 454 00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:58,199 be a gap in young people with a lot of things. I think what's 455 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,280 happened is there's so much technology flying at them every which way and so many 456 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:07,159 as they say, it's kind of a rude, rude word, but there's 457 00:37:07,159 --> 00:37:14,440 so many time sucks out there that people get involved in, whether you know, 458 00:37:14,519 --> 00:37:21,320 it's social media, whether it's gadgets that, and it's a disposable society, 459 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,880 and it's a society where you know, the interests a lot of interests 460 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:30,480 that people have don't go out the door, so they just stay indoor with 461 00:37:30,559 --> 00:37:36,039 everything that's right at their fingertips. So yes, I agree that you know, 462 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,039 things have to get passed down and the gaps filled and all that. 463 00:37:42,599 --> 00:37:46,000 So how did you you get How did you two find each other? How 464 00:37:46,039 --> 00:37:50,440 does you know? I'm just I'm just curious how something like this gets started, 465 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,440 How people network, how does that all work? Well? Sure, 466 00:37:54,559 --> 00:37:58,400 oh, go ahead, donuts, go ahead. You could talk about how 467 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:04,199 we first interacted. I think it's through those through those same sort of social 468 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:09,199 media circles. But but go ahead. Absolutely, there's a there's a fantastic 469 00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:15,280 show that follows yours Martin on Dark Matter Radio Network that's Fade the Black with 470 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:22,199 Jimmy Shirt and he's created a social media and Twitter known as the Sandbox to 471 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:28,639 its followers. And I've been working with Jimmy for a while now as a 472 00:38:28,679 --> 00:38:31,679 producer, low level, helping book guests on the show, and of course 473 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:37,440 interacting in the Sandbox and lo and behold. One one night, we were 474 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:44,840 talking about truth Funders and we were so excited that's was working with Fade to 475 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:50,239 Black, And just as a throwaway comment, I had said, hooray for 476 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,320 truth Funders. They're going to be helping me publish my book next year. 477 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:58,960 They just don't know it yet. And you know, Mark contacted me after 478 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,199 that and he said, hey, serious, worry about that, and the 479 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:07,119 relationship sort of blossomed from there once I got to learn what Truth Funders was 480 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:14,199 really about. How sincere Mark's intentions were well, he had me, he 481 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,559 had me at hello as they say, well, that's really really kind of 482 00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:22,039 you to say. It's it's hard, you know, And I believe. 483 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:27,880 What I love about what Jonas is doing, and specifically about his book, 484 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,920 is that I think that I look back to the time when I was six, 485 00:39:34,079 --> 00:39:37,199 seven, eight years old and obsessed with UFOs, you know, because 486 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:42,679 I did wind up getting those timeline books. But the next thing, the 487 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:47,199 next evolution for me, was Whitley Strieber's Communion, and so I went ahead 488 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:51,280 and I bought that, and I think I was in third grade and I 489 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:57,559 started reading Communion. Now you can imagine anybody looking at a nine year old 490 00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,880 or nine or ten year old reading this book with this alien on the cover, 491 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:06,199 and it was in depth book. I don't think I understood half of 492 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,159 what I was reading, but I needed to know more and I needed to 493 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:16,079 understand more. And so I do think that there is youth that's out there, 494 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:21,199 that there are young people that really want to know more about this. 495 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:25,159 Maybe they have had experiences in their life and so they're trying to figure out 496 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:30,440 and their brains are trying to figure out exactly what happened and connect the dots, 497 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:36,239 or maybe they're just really interested in it and it's not there. There's 498 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,320 not enough out there to connect them to it. A lot of it is 499 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:44,119 the lore, which I mean I love this stuff as well, but you 500 00:40:44,159 --> 00:40:51,719 know, knowing about secret military bases and UFO flyovers that happened and getting down 501 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,800 into the nitty gritty that some of you know, the stuff that we cover 502 00:40:55,000 --> 00:41:00,599 on a lot of podcasts has to offer. That's great, but for being 503 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:05,639 you know eight nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen fifteen, 504 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,840 sometimes that can be a little bit over the head or a little overwhelming. 505 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:15,280 And so to ease into that and to start understanding that there is there, 506 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:22,519 really is something happening. There really is something that we can't explain that's 507 00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:27,360 going on out there. I mean, I support that project one hundred percent. 508 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:32,639 And Jonas's project is actually one of the ones that's doing the best on 509 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,360 the site so far. And like I said, we've only been out for 510 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,440 a week and a half. Two weeks and we've had a ton of traffic, 511 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:45,960 but Jonas's is really starting to take off a little bit more. And 512 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,880 I think that once people trust the site and once we get a little bit 513 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,880 more awareness to the site, like you had Rojas on at the very beginning 514 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:59,119 of your podcast, man, I would love for him to. I would 515 00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:02,440 love to just connect with him and to have him explain what truth Funders is 516 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:06,960 trying to do, because we want to do research there. We want people 517 00:42:07,039 --> 00:42:12,199 to pay for some of the research that's going on in crowdfund that to help 518 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:17,760 open the doors to what is really going on in this community and in this 519 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:23,000 world that we can't explain. And one last thing, I know, I 520 00:42:23,079 --> 00:42:27,960 just talked for like five minutes straight there, but I do think that there 521 00:42:28,079 --> 00:42:34,960 is this youth that has been watching Ancient Aliens and that it's really into alien 522 00:42:35,039 --> 00:42:42,679 culture and ufology culture, and they just they're on Twitter, they're on Facebook, 523 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,880 they are doing the social media and so hopefully that's what we're trying to 524 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:52,039 do with truth Funders too, is reach out to people and reach out to 525 00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:55,800 people that want to do projects using social media and those tactics to try to 526 00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:01,880 get that younger generation involved and not just you know, through word of mouth. 527 00:43:02,679 --> 00:43:08,039 You know, I have Google Analytics on my site, and it seems 528 00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:15,960 to me that there are you know, the the percentages of eighteen to thirty 529 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:22,239 five is absolutely three quarters of my listening audience or at least that visit the 530 00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:30,719 website, and so there are young people involved in actually looking I do believe, 531 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:35,920 however, it could be just because it's an internet thing, a podcast, 532 00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:38,400 easy to find all that, because what is happening, you know, 533 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:45,039 getting back to the younger people less involved is across the board every type of 534 00:43:45,159 --> 00:43:50,159 conference you can imagine, whether it's in the field that I'm involved in for 535 00:43:50,599 --> 00:43:53,880 you know, antiques or any type of collectibles, right across the board, 536 00:43:54,079 --> 00:44:00,280 the attendance, the young attendance is way down. And you know, I 537 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:08,440 just think it's because everything's geared indoor and including this podcast and everything digital. 538 00:44:08,559 --> 00:44:13,679 Basically, well, you hit it, you hit it right on the head. 539 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,599 You know. When I went to my first Moofon meeting, it was 540 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:21,840 a year ago, and when I went there, I was the youngest person 541 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,360 there. I'm thirty thirty four years old and I was by far the youngest 542 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:30,920 person at this Movefon meeting. But I know that there's people my age. 543 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,519 I know that there's people way younger who are super into this. And if 544 00:44:34,559 --> 00:44:38,400 you type in podcast ufo, I mean, what great search terms are that, 545 00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:44,079 right? So people who are looking for it can can find it. 546 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:47,039 It's a way for them to connect. And that's I'm sure that's why you're 547 00:44:47,079 --> 00:44:52,639 seeing on your Google analytics, because those people are interested and they are there 548 00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:57,719 and they and it's a great way your podcast and the way that you're able 549 00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:02,719 to have podcast ufo be your keywords. Those are just such beautiful, wonderful, 550 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,960 magical keywords. Well, because if I funny you say that, you 551 00:45:07,039 --> 00:45:09,159 know a few people have teased me about that, But that's one hundred percent 552 00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:14,039 the reason why I chose the name. I thought, well, I want 553 00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:17,840 to do a podcast on UFOs. What is the simplest thing I can make 554 00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,559 it so people can find it? But it is. It is kind of 555 00:45:21,559 --> 00:45:24,320 a silly name, but it definitely works as far as so much traffic that 556 00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:30,320 my website has been crashed twice in the last six months and hopefully it won't 557 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:37,000 happen again, but yeah, we can only hope. But that's I mean, 558 00:45:37,039 --> 00:45:39,199 that's a great sign. And you hit it on. You know you 559 00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:44,960 really that's right on, because in this new world, in order to reach 560 00:45:45,079 --> 00:45:47,800 people, people are plugged in, and the youth is plugged in. I 561 00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:52,239 mean, I take a look at my five year old nephew and he has 562 00:45:52,440 --> 00:46:00,480 his designated Amazon Fire module that lets him play any game he wants, but 563 00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:02,280 only let them play it for an hour and a half before it cuts them 564 00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:06,559 off for the rest of the day. I mean, people are plugged in. 565 00:46:06,679 --> 00:46:09,239 If you walk outside on the streets. When we were kids, we'd 566 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:15,639 be outside playing baseball or skateboarding or doing doing these things. And it's not 567 00:46:15,679 --> 00:46:19,199 like you don't see that. It's not like it's not happening still. But 568 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:24,440 for the most part, I would say there's a much much smaller majority of 569 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:30,239 that of that happening. And what we're seeing is people on the computers are 570 00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:35,840 playing video games and doing that, and those are the people that we want 571 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:37,840 to reach and say like, hey, it's okay. You know, if 572 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,920 you have had an experience, if you want to write a book about it, 573 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:45,639 you could do that on truth Funders. Reach out to us. If 574 00:46:45,679 --> 00:46:49,719 you have a documentary that you want to create, reach out to us. 575 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,119 There's people out there that. You know, they work their day jobs, 576 00:46:52,119 --> 00:46:55,880 they come home, they're looking for the next news or something to be a 577 00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:04,000 part of. They might not go to the conferences because conferences are could be 578 00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:07,480 scary. You don't know a lot of people. It is an older generation. 579 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:13,880 So if we can get this younger generation involved somehow, and maybe that 580 00:47:14,039 --> 00:47:16,440 is going to a conference. But if it's not, the next best thing 581 00:47:16,679 --> 00:47:23,360 is something like a truth Funders or a podcast UFO where people can be involved 582 00:47:23,079 --> 00:47:30,320 and feel free to do it in that way. No, gentlemen, I'm 583 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,840 sorry. Yeah, I just want to add this briefly. I am a 584 00:47:34,119 --> 00:47:37,880 father of three, and well, my oldest, my seventeen year old daughter, 585 00:47:38,119 --> 00:47:44,280 probably wouldn't notice a UFO unless it landed on my house and Bruno Mores 586 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:50,679 stepped out of it. My ten year old son, Julian, is incredibly 587 00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:55,559 fascinated with uthology. You know, he'll sit and watch shows like Ancient Aliens 588 00:47:55,599 --> 00:48:00,360 with me, he tells me. He discusses it with his friends at school. 589 00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:04,639 The other day he came up to me. It was such a proud 590 00:48:04,679 --> 00:48:07,920 moment. He said, Dad, what's Kecksburg? And I said, oh 591 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:13,119 my goodness. And we sat and had a conversation about Ketsburg. We've bought 592 00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:15,159 a telescope and we've got him going outside and we look at the stars. 593 00:48:15,199 --> 00:48:20,760 Obviously not tonight it's seventeen degrees, but when it's a bit warmer outside, 594 00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,239 you bet we're out there, we're looking at the stars. I just want 595 00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:30,719 to get involved with this. And I think maybe it was, and maybe 596 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:38,719 not, but the exposure that UFOs have gotten in mainstream media, even if 597 00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:44,960 it's in mediums like movies where it's an Independence Day, where it's in men 598 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:51,360 in black and there's a slightly comedic twist to it, still raising those questions. 599 00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:57,920 And I think that it is, excuse me, more or less intrinsic 600 00:48:58,559 --> 00:49:02,159 for us as human beings to have relationship with the sky, to look up 601 00:49:02,199 --> 00:49:07,239 and say, what's up there? What am I doing here? Now? 602 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,039 Perhaps I was a strange child, well I know I was a strange child, 603 00:49:10,599 --> 00:49:15,920 but I asked question. I know that there were other children that asked 604 00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:21,000 that question. And I think that that relationship the stars was severed. Whether 605 00:49:21,039 --> 00:49:23,880 it was severed on purpose or not, I can't attest to that, but 606 00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:30,760 I will say that there's some time ago, probably within the nineteen hundreds and 607 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:35,079 I do think Martin that what you say about technology is spot on accurate. 608 00:49:36,159 --> 00:49:42,719 Our connection to the heavens has been interrupted, it's been terminated to a certain 609 00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:49,519 degree, and it shows, like podcast UFO, it's organizations like Truth Funders 610 00:49:49,559 --> 00:49:55,960 that they're going to get that connection reunited so that again, the generation of 611 00:49:57,039 --> 00:50:02,599 tomorrow won't struggle the way that we ruggle when it comes spread elves on topics 612 00:50:02,599 --> 00:50:07,840 like uthology, like oh, it doesn't matter whether we're talking about Bigfoot or 613 00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:13,440 we're talking about grays. There's a certain stigma that's attached to us. Whereas 614 00:50:13,559 --> 00:50:17,719 people are ready to jump out and screen twofoot hats, tinfoil hats, we're 615 00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:22,079 nuts. There's there's something wrong with us because they needed with this. No, 616 00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:27,079 there's nothing wrong with us. This is as natural as trees in a 617 00:50:27,159 --> 00:50:32,079 meadow or fish swimming in a brook. There are extraterrestrials. I have no 618 00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:37,960 problem saying that, and I think that anybody who can't acknowledge the fact that 619 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:43,679 there has to be something beyond this planet has serious issues. Either that or 620 00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,920 they've been brainwall I don't know, but I really hope that that Again, 621 00:50:49,079 --> 00:50:52,119 my book and my project, as well as some of the other projects that 622 00:50:52,159 --> 00:50:57,679 are on truth Funders, then they can really help expose what it is that 623 00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:04,400 is a passion of us to that much more of a of the population. 624 00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:09,079 Even if we get one more persons, we grow that much stronger. Yeah, 625 00:51:09,199 --> 00:51:13,679 Hey, just to let you know there's there's some type of signal issue. 626 00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:15,639 You've been cutting in and out a little bit and I don't know if 627 00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:21,639 if there's a Wi Fi issue or something like that there. I just want 628 00:51:21,679 --> 00:51:25,920 to to let you know that. And so Jonas, before you head out, 629 00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,480 you're going to be on just a few more minutes. Let's see what 630 00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:37,159 what started you down the path of the interests in this and have you written 631 00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:42,199 have you written books or any type of book before or is this the first 632 00:51:42,199 --> 00:51:45,119 one? And this will be my first book. I have a bunch of 633 00:51:45,159 --> 00:51:49,079 projects that are on hold at the moment because of this one. I've written 634 00:51:49,119 --> 00:51:53,760 blog posts here and there. It's always been something that I wanted to do. 635 00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:59,039 But I have to say, as Mark said earlier, and I'm hoping 636 00:51:59,039 --> 00:52:02,360 that the connection is is better now. I did not know how to to 637 00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:08,920 to begin, so I didn't think it was possible in terms of funding and 638 00:52:09,079 --> 00:52:15,079 what true Funders has done for me personally, is giving me an opportunity to 639 00:52:15,679 --> 00:52:19,039 down and write this book and and get it out there to people so I 640 00:52:19,079 --> 00:52:23,119 could get in some sort of momentum, because without it, I was lost. 641 00:52:23,159 --> 00:52:27,559 I really didn't know where to begin. I had the idea. I 642 00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:30,480 know that I had other ideas, and we've spoken about those as well. 643 00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,559 I just didn't know how to begin. It's it's a it's a formidable task 644 00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,920 for somebody who doesn't have exposure. While I've I've written before, writing on 645 00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:45,119 this topic is rather unique you have. You can't approach just any with with 646 00:52:45,199 --> 00:52:50,559 a topic like uthology. They're going to look at it with with with a 647 00:52:50,559 --> 00:52:54,280 bit of a can't view. As I said earlier, yeah, we we 648 00:52:54,719 --> 00:53:00,280 have a bad signal on your line as well, so so I think I 649 00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:06,280 think I'm going to say that will probably be it for you. Do you 650 00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,360 have a website or anything you want to get out there? Yeah, i'd 651 00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:14,679 like to. I'd like everybody to go to truth unders dot com and if 652 00:53:14,679 --> 00:53:17,920 you don't support my project, support any project and tell your friends about it 653 00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:22,280 because it's a great site. Mark. Thank you so much for having me 654 00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,079 on. I really appreciate the opportunity. You're very welcome. Thank you, 655 00:53:25,199 --> 00:53:29,320 Jonas. I appreciate it. Thanks for coming on. You guys, have 656 00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,800 a great night, Thanks so much. Thank you. All right, so 657 00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:37,760 let me just do something here. Okay, here we go, and so 658 00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:44,360 we're back with just you Mark. All right, and that sounds better. 659 00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,639 This signal is much better now. And yeah, so Mark, we have 660 00:53:49,079 --> 00:53:52,000 we have about five or six minutes to the top of the hour. And 661 00:53:52,039 --> 00:53:55,000 there was a question here. If you don't mind, I'm going to ask 662 00:53:55,599 --> 00:54:01,320 ask you this question please. For the first speaker, he sounds like he 663 00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:08,079 feels he's a contactee. Is that? Is that so? Or is that 664 00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:16,719 just what someone is speculating? I I, you know, I couldn't quite 665 00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:23,599 answer that. I feel that probably deep down yes, is there a proof? 666 00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:35,960 No, But I've definitely just been really really intrigued and fascinated with UFOs 667 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:44,320 and aliens for as long as I can remember. In fact, it was 668 00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,039 just it was just last week. I think it was last Monday. I 669 00:54:47,079 --> 00:54:52,159 went to go and walk my dog. It was one thirty am, and 670 00:54:52,199 --> 00:54:58,400 I walk outside, take three steps and I look up and I see a 671 00:54:59,079 --> 00:55:02,119 for the second time of my life, I see three lights. I mean 672 00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:08,199 really big lights very close half mile away that are never there. Ever. 673 00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:15,119 I ran back inside, I grabbed my phone. I round up going back, 674 00:55:15,159 --> 00:55:17,079 and the lights were still there. It's a little bit further away. 675 00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:24,480 I round it, snapping six pictures and throwing them on Twitter instantly, just 676 00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:31,199 like boom boom boom boom, from being there until it disappeared. Have I 677 00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:36,239 been contacted, you know? I don't. I don't know. I don't 678 00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:39,079 know. If there's something about the cover of Litley Streever's book that struck me 679 00:55:39,119 --> 00:55:42,840 as a as a child that I felt that I needed to read it, 680 00:55:43,679 --> 00:55:45,880 I don't. I don't have an answer, one way or another. But 681 00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:51,519 I have had dreams and it's been something that stuck with me and enough to 682 00:55:52,079 --> 00:55:58,639 go ahead and create a platform for people to to create projects to try to 683 00:55:58,639 --> 00:56:02,079 figure out the truth. You know, It's funny. I had a conversation 684 00:56:02,199 --> 00:56:07,280 with my son a few weeks ago, and I thought I had my second 685 00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,800 sighting. But you know, I said to him, I'm not even going 686 00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:13,559 to talk and I'm not even going to talk about it. And the reason 687 00:56:13,599 --> 00:56:17,760 I'm not going to talk about it is because it would seem the first one 688 00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:23,159 was unreal to have, first of all, and the second one, like, 689 00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:29,559 I don't even want to talk about it because I'm afraid that I might 690 00:56:29,639 --> 00:56:32,920 lose a little bit of credibility, you know, being the host of the 691 00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:38,000 show. Because a lot of times when people say, you know, they 692 00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:42,119 had this sighting, they had that sighting, and they have so many sightings, 693 00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,920 you know, you start to think, hmm, you know, right, 694 00:56:45,079 --> 00:56:50,559 maybe I'm overthinking it, but but you can't get it out of me. 695 00:56:50,559 --> 00:56:52,880 I'm not going to talk about it right right, I mean, and 696 00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:59,199 that's how I feel too. It's the one sighting I'd talked about with particular 697 00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:02,000 people, just people here and there, the one that happened in Walt Creek, 698 00:57:02,039 --> 00:57:06,920 California, and I had researched that, I mean for years I would 699 00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,760 go online and research and research the date and look for it and see if 700 00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:14,679 anything else happened, if anybody else saw anything that was clear as day that 701 00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,679 was during the day. This other one was, you know, just a 702 00:57:17,719 --> 00:57:22,039 week ago, and it was after I've started this this truth funder stuff. 703 00:57:22,599 --> 00:57:25,800 There's been some there's been a couple of weird, wacky things that have happened 704 00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:30,239 since I've since you know this the conception of this and it was started with 705 00:57:30,639 --> 00:57:35,639 my business partner. He you know, used to work at sort of a 706 00:57:35,639 --> 00:57:38,639 big wig at AOL Time Warner. He's created three other businesses, all that 707 00:57:38,679 --> 00:57:46,079 I've done really well and sold. Yeah, you know, I'm I have 708 00:57:46,119 --> 00:57:52,440 a very legitimate past, you know, like I said earlier, being nominated 709 00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,960 for for some prestigious awards. It's it's kind of strange to come out and 710 00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,920 talk about all this stuff, but for or what I'm doing the you know, 711 00:58:01,159 --> 00:58:07,960 and and creating right here truth funders, it's it's a necessity to kind 712 00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:12,360 of talk about things that happened. I mean, there's people that I'm sure 713 00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,239 I've seen ghosts, have seen strange lights in the sky, that will not 714 00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:20,360 admit to it or will not talk about it. I don't think that, 715 00:58:20,719 --> 00:58:24,480 you know, the more that we keep it to ourselves, the more it 716 00:58:24,679 --> 00:58:29,599 just remains taboo. And you know, if if what I saw in the 717 00:58:29,599 --> 00:58:36,000 sky the other night was not a UFO or some strange object, then it 718 00:58:36,079 --> 00:58:40,800 wasn't and that's great, and that's fine. And you know, I don't 719 00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:46,039 care if something is real or not, as long as there's proof and there's 720 00:58:46,199 --> 00:58:53,119 truth, you know, like with with the underwater Malibu base with with Jimmy. 721 00:58:54,199 --> 00:58:59,159 I'm sure you've heard about that. They discovered that through Google Maps. 722 00:58:59,639 --> 00:59:04,679 You know, whether or not if we're ever able to go down there and 723 00:59:04,719 --> 00:59:07,880 discover it. And let's say it is a UFO base, well, a 724 00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:12,039 heck, we just nailed the jackpot. But let's say it's not a UFO 725 00:59:12,119 --> 00:59:15,760 base and it's rock formations. We know what. Now we know that, 726 00:59:15,119 --> 00:59:19,599 and now we know the truth. And that's all that That's all that I 727 00:59:19,679 --> 00:59:22,119 care about, and I think that's what we what we all care about is 728 00:59:22,119 --> 00:59:28,599 is finding out the answers to these items like what's what's real, what's not 729 00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:36,559 and and it doesn't have to be x files music playing before you know, 730 00:59:36,599 --> 00:59:39,679 when you're watching the news and they're talking about is citing that ten different people 731 00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:45,159 saw and so it's actually making the news and then they play the UFO or 732 00:59:45,199 --> 00:59:47,880 the X files music just to kind of make it campy. Uh. It 733 00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:52,480 doesn't have to be that way. It can just be people explaining what they 734 00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:58,519 see or talking about what they see or what they've experienced. It shouldn't be 735 00:59:58,639 --> 01:00:06,480 taboo. Well, getting back to the Malibu underwater thing, I had a 736 01:00:06,519 --> 01:00:09,480 conversation with Jimmy Church. I'm not Jimmy Church. I'm sorry with least people 737 01:00:09,519 --> 01:00:15,559 about that. He was uh and he found out some geological information about that 738 01:00:15,639 --> 01:00:21,760 and was due to go on Jimmy Church's show, and then Jimmy Church did 739 01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:25,679 not call him. So I think that has been explained. But that's, 740 01:00:25,719 --> 01:00:30,760 like you said, that's just another one of the things that people are are 741 01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:35,800 looking to find answers for. Just real quick, because we're at the top 742 01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,880 of the hour. Did you I'm gonna say, I'm going to admit that 743 01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:45,519 I didn't report what I saw recently. I just I just didn't and I 744 01:00:45,639 --> 01:00:50,760 just wondered and shame on me, and I wondered, did you report either 745 01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:57,519 one of your sightings? I reported it on Twitter, but did I record 746 01:00:57,559 --> 01:01:00,840 it on on a move on site? I did not. Yeah, just 747 01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:04,840 wondering, And it just kind of goes along with what I've seen in audiences. 748 01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:08,440 When the questions asked how many people think they've seen a UFO, the 749 01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:12,440 hands go up. How many people reported it? It's about ten percent, 750 01:01:13,199 --> 01:01:16,199 right, So think I think that's kind of a fascinating number, and I 751 01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:22,559 understand it. All right, So we're coming up. This is it for 752 01:01:22,639 --> 01:01:28,320 this part of the show, and if you're listening live, hang in here. 753 01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,960 I have to do all kinds of things at once here. Yeah, 754 01:01:31,039 --> 01:01:36,239 and I think, just if I could say real quick, I think Jimmy 755 01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:40,159 and Lee they wound up, you know, working out all the difference, 756 01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:45,559 all the difference whatever happen. I think there was, you know, they 757 01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:50,360 had a show together and all that stuff worked out. So that was that 758 01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:53,599 was good. But that I didn't know. I did not know that part. 759 01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:59,000 So yeah, all right, so we're coming back. We're coming back 760 01:01:59,039 --> 01:02:02,360 in the next hour and we're going to have Rick fire Is on for a 761 01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:07,039 while. So that's it for the show. And remember you can listen to 762 01:02:07,119 --> 01:02:12,159 the second hour for becoming a subscriber for a dollar a month or more. 763 01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:19,559 That information is right on our website podcastufo dot com. And next week I'm 764 01:02:19,559 --> 01:02:22,239 not really sure who's coming up. I had someone drop out of me, 765 01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:27,719 so it'll be a surprise guest next week. Thank you Bruce Rainier and Carrie 766 01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:31,280 Lloyd Whitehouse for the music. Thank you Peggy Shunning for managing the Facebook page 767 01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:36,719 even though Alejandro give you some trouble about it. You can check us out 768 01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:43,119 next week live right here on the Dark Matter Radio Network and eight to ten 769 01:02:44,039 --> 01:02:47,719 Wednesday, and like every week, and we'll be back and thank you everyone, 770 01:02:47,920 --> 01:03:05,320 and keep your eyes to the sky.