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All right, Billy Cunningham, the
Great America. Welcome to this glorious but

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hot Monday afternoon in the Tri States. Reds Baseball kicks off about five forty

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tonight, Reds and Pittsburgh. What
dramatic games in Milwaukee, of course,

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the Reds have now lost eight consecutive
series to the Brew Crew, which is

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not good but extremely competitive. And
a relative is second base. Gordon Vettererino

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always told me, when you're on
second base and you anticipate a single,

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you take a walking lead, take
two or three more steps, and then

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when the ball is hit with two
houses, takeoff. I'm not sure that

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happened, but nonetheless, Reds lose
two out of three. Back at it

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in Pittsburgh to night. But until
then, Brian Hamrick, welcome to the

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Bill Cunningham Show. And Brian,
how are you. I'm good, Thanks

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for getting this for Cunningham. We're
gonna talk about the main streets of Madisonville.

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But before we got there, a
little birdie whistler in my ear that

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you went to see the Rolling Stones. Tell me where were they? Mick

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Jagger, what about Keith Richards,
Ronnie Woods, Bill Man, Charlie Watts,

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May not have been there. Keith
Moon may not have been there,

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Brian Jones may not have been there. But tell me about the Rolling Stones.

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Tell me the story. Oh,
this was a I'll tell you what.

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I've seen him a few times.
I think this was the best.

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I think they were better than I've
ever seen him before. The setup was

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great. It was in Cleveland,
so we were at Cleveland Brown Stadium.

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I don't know how many people that
things hold polls that it was jammed to

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every seat that was available. You
didn't have the behind the stage, they

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didn't sell those, but the entire
stadium was jam packed mostly you know,

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like mostly buzzers my age. You
know. I think I was one of

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the younger people. It was one
of the only places I go anymore where

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I'm the younger guy, you know. And I know that was good by

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younger people because I took my three
boys who had never seen him, and

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I'm just like, this is like
rock history. Look, you cannot you

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know. The first concert ever took
him to was Paul McCartney and they loved

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that. And uh and so I
took him to see the Rolling Stones and

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they were they were blown away.
And these guys, I mean the setup

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they had there. It was christy. You could hear every guitar string and

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we were up you know, and
you could see the whole thing. And

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those guys they they didn't Yeah.
I got to tell you, man,

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I hadn't lost a step since the
sixties. They looked and sounded awesome.

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And they're the eighties, right yeah. Yeah. Now when I say looked

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awesome, I mean the show looked
great that they the guys look like you

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know, they you can tell they've
had a few years. It was interesting

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because Mick Jagger, they they you
never saw a close up of him.

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They had like they would shoot him
at best from about the knees up.

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That's about as close as you ever
saw on the big screen. Mick Jagger,

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he's like he learned the same thing
I did on the TV. I

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said, none of these head and
shoulder shots for me. I don't want

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to scare the kids. Well,
the thing is, you talk Tony Bender

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tells me the Beatles are the greatest
rock band of all time. And I

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tell Tonis, I agree, the
music over those ten years, But you

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talk about sixty years making Hiss,
selling out stadiums. Mick Jagger, Keith

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Richards especially to me, that's on
president. I can't imagine any other rock

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band ever going sixty years and selling
out stadiums. I may put the Rolling

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Stones out of the Beatles at this
point. I might do it. It's

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amazing. I mean, yeah,
it's a real toss up for what you

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know. The Beatles opened the door
and did so many kind of different things

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with music that weren't being done,
hadn't been done and thought of. But

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like you said, the long jevity
of the tone, I mean, it's

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a heck of a quandary really to
have two that you would have to say,

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But which really is at the top
of the I mean, there's so

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many other great you know that and
those guys climbed up, you know,

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the Chuck Berry you know way to
get there, and the great you know,

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Elvis and the people that came before
them. But yeah, to talk

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about rock and roll bands, I
mean, they're certainly, you know,

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got to be among the well,
I don't know who else you'd put really

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in a conversation with those two.
And that said, let's talk about the

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mean streets of Cincinnati. There are
some narrator wells and misinformed that believe crime

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is way down. Talk about Madisonville, what happened there, Bramble Park shooting.

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You're working that plus this pervert trying
to pick up kids. Brian Hamrick,

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You've been there for a long time. The mean streets of Cincinnati never

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been so mean. Explain the investigation
of the Bramble Park shooting in Madisonville.

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Well, you know, they're trying
to figure out who came down there.

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Here here they are. You know, these folks that are out there in

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the community are trying to put on
They're trying to do what you need to

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do to make your community safe and
nice and somewhere. You know, kids

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have something to do, people can
go out. I mean, this is

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you know, one of the measures
that you take to get and get to

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the steps and get to the peace
that you want. And in the middle

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of it, here comes somebody with
a gun, some numbskull who wants to

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open up fire. Who knows,
you know, at this point we don't

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know if somebody was targeted. Is
this something they just did because they were

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trying to get a laugh out of
it? Where they looking for somebody in

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particular? These are the kind of
things that the police are trying to track

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down right now. There were apparently
no officers at the event, but the

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chief was talking about that yesterday saying, look, we can't be at every

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single event. You know, there's
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And she actually used the word tired
in the summer's beginning, and we're

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already tired talking about the number of
you know, people that they need and

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that they're still trying to fill some
of those voids. But you know,

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that's not something you exactly expect to
hear from your chief or from your police,

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like we're tired getting tired. It's
much to hear that. Well,

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that's because there's so little crime.
You know, they're tired because they have

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so they eat donuts all day,
they got nothing to investigate, and they're

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tired. Chief Thiji said, we
need help. I can't imagine right if

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one or two individuals are cranking off
twenty to thirty shots and no one saw

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anything in hundreds of people. Do
you believe that. Do you think there's

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a fear of coming forward? Oh? I think that's still out there.

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I mean it's still out there,
and it's something that you know, a

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lot of these folks that we see
out on the street all the time talk

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about you know, Mitch Morris and
pastor Peterson Mingo and these guys, they

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talk about that concern. But they
and I think they've done better over the

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years to try and make people more
comfortable about coming forward and anonymous tips and

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these sorts of things. But that's
still something you know, snitches get stitches.

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That's something that's still is out there
and it's still a concern and you

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know, people fo afraid to come
forward. Even now. Like I said,

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I think it's better than it was, but there that still is.

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That's a dark cloud looming over the
business of investigation people trying to you know,

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get answers on what happened or something
like this. According according to the

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police, there were two witnesses of
the shooting told the police there was a

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fisticuff fight broke out at the event
and gunshots rang out. They were unsure

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if the gunfire came from those fighting. Roughly thirty shots were fired. Witnesses

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said there were hundreds of people in
Bramble Park and Madisonville, including many children,

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many babies. Five were injured.
One is in critical condition and at

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this point they're asking silence is a
form of violence. Does anyone who has

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information or may witness this tragic event, we asked you please come forward Cincinnati

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and should be upset this is happening
repeatedly the other there were other drive by

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shootings last week. There were three
drive buys over a two day period.

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To my knowledge, no one's arrested
for that. In your long hit,

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you've been out of it for twenty
five or thirty years. Do you think

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there's more of these events happening now
than ever before in Cincinnati? You know,

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just on a basis where I'm looking
at, you know what, without

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any looking at any statistics, it
seems to me like we're seeing more of

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these than we've ever seen before,
especially these ones where people drive up fire

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off a bunch of shots. You
know, that eleven year old over in

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the West End was killed that way. They never have figured out who killed

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that eleven year old. And this
sort of thing just seems to be like

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prevalent, you know, Like you
said, there's so many of these things

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that we hardly even you know,
cover some of them anymore, because you

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know, if nobody gets hit or
somebody just shot in the leg, you

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know, it's like, yeah,
that's just another one. But a lot

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of times we'll get the audio recording
of these things and you'll hear sounds like

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a machine gun. It's like,
you know, you'll hear these things going

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off. So so these people have
access to some pretty high powered weaponry stuff

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that's not legal already. You know, you'll you'll because you can hear it.

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They're like machine guns and uh it's
and they don't care. They don't

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care where they shoot. There's no
uh concern for human life whatsoever. And

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the folks that are doing this,
uh, a lot of these folks are

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really young. They have no idea, no real concept, and you know,

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whatever kind of life they've had growing
up has basically conditioned and have no

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no concern for or regard for anybody
else. And they'll just fire randomly and

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and and and none of them can
shoot, I mean none of them.

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I don't care, you know,
nobody. Then they may have guns,

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but they don't know anything about guns, you know, They just they know

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how to turn it on and how
to make it fire. They watch the

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movies. They turn their gun sideways
and they spray into a crowd of people,

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you know, because they've seen it. They think they think this looks

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cool, you know, and you
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A lot of these folks are involved
in this, you know, it's

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in the entire They grow up in
a culture unlike anything that probably most of

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us can imagine. From the you
know, time they're very young, they're

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they're they're talking to people. The
people that they talk to are involved in

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this sort of thing. They begin
to you know, get enamored with this

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lifestyle and and when they do,
that's what they aspire to. They aspire

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to be feared. They aspire to
be you know, like what they consider

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their heroes, these guys that either
went to jail or already got killed.

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And they have no concept really what
they're doing, have no they have no

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idea what the endgame is on it. They just they just like the hearing

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and now in the minute and this
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they're getting some sort of you know, street cred or respect out of

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this, and that's what they shoot
for. That's their goal. Like other

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kids want to be doctors or lawyers
or you know whatever. Well, Brian

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Hemrick, what's needed is faith and
family. Fathers formed family structures, and

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the great majority of those are victims. The great majority kind of know.

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The answer is that we don't have
family structure, we don't have faith anymore.

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The churches are empty, and fathers
are not in the home, and

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government pays dads not to become involved
with the mother, and they go from

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an event to event, and until
family structure is rebuilt, until there's a

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sense of faith, this will continue. You can try the swimming pools and

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the midnight basketball, you can try
the peace rallies and all that kind of

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stuff, but there's too many young
men running around without family structure, without

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education. And one of the best
things they have is lots of battle wounds.

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And we go into certain parts of
our community, the number of shots

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you've taken in your body. You
can point out the arm, the leg,

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the hip, am in good shape. Look at us. I got

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this, I got that, And
that's what's important. And there's not a

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sense of education, there's not a
sense of a family structure, of a

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proper family structure, not a sense
of faith. And until those issues are

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resolved, which may not be able
to be resolved, all these other peace

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get togethers and Maingo and the rest
of them are well intended. I watched

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I think it was on Channel five
last week. The head er doc at

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Children's Hospital, a very fine woman, said that we have to We're going

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to have five hundred people shot this
year in the city of Cincinnati and between

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u See and Children's Hospital. It's
terrible. And here it is the middle

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of June. And when Fiji says
we're overwhelmed, we're tired. We run

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from event to event. We put
up the tape, whether it's North College

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Hill or it's Avondale or Madisonville,
put up the tape. We try to

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interview witnesses who are overwhelmed. We're
going to have twenty thousand shots fired this

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year in the city of Cincinnati,
and we don't know who did it.

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And when you're make an arrest,
you go down to juvenile Court and Judge

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Bloom releases them immediately and then puts
it on the diversion docket and there's no

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reporting of the crime. And that's
where we are. Secondly, you did

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a great report last week. I
wanted to check with you this Monday afternoon

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on this pervert trying to pick up
kids. Explain what's going on there and

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parents should be aware what's happening.
Oh that was Yeah, that was up

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North College Hill. So they got
apparently some reports of a guy in a

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dark the DAN, trolling through the
neighborhoods, and so they were on the

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lookout for this guy. I actually
talked to one of the kids who saw

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this guy. He pulled up to
these kids. I'm guessing this kid must

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have been like twelve, thirteen,
fourteen years old, and he had a

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couple of his buddies with him that
were over there near the North College Hill

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Kroger, and the guy basically solicits
them for sax kid, the twelve thirteen

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year old kids, and they took
off, went into the Kroger and told

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the security guard, and then the
security card reported it. And then I

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talked to the kid's mom and she
was like, you know, like every

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nightmare of every parent, are like, what is going on? Because you

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don't know. I mean, this
guy's saying something is one thing that you

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don't want to happen, But you
don't know what this guy has in his

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mind or what he might do next, what's his next step. Because a

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lot of these kind of folks that
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notions about the world that might just
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know, it tends to escalate and
you know, it's not too far away

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from having an abduction, and then
you know it goes from from this to

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a you know, even more serious. So the North Talley Kill police last

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year, we talked to them,
Uh, they were working on it.

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They said they were close to having
maybe some sort of an announcement on it.

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But that was last Friday. Uh, there still hasn't been any new

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development on it as of this morning. Last I checked, Uh, there

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was no new development on it.
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might be getting some information. Uh. I know that at least some of

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the witnesses were coming forward, those
kids were telling them what they what they

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knew about it. And and again, like we talked about any other situations,

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when when people will you know,
stand step up and say, hey,

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look, I'm not going to stand
for this, this is what's going

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on. Uh. And this family
I talked to, you know, they

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were among that group. It's like, we're going straight to police. We're

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not going to have this this guy, you know, running around in our

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neighborhood. And that's that's part of
the solution to fix in it. Yeah,

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part of the solution is in the
North College Joe case, the community.

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Once this guy arrested in Madisonville or
Avondale or Evanston or the west End,

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there's many sense well when that kid
has gunned down, and with the

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West End it's like, well,
you know, you know, you know,

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snitches get stitches. But this is
the kind of an offense where North

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College Show is going to come up
and say, we can't put up with

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this. But Brian Hammrick, we
got to run. Thanks for coming on.

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Crime is up, but reporting a
crime and arrest are down. Those

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are the facts, and many people
don't want to hear that, but that's

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the way it is. When the
chief of police says we're tiring, well,

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we run from event to event.
We need more cops, more jails

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and judges to lock people up.
Brian Hammrick, once again, congratulations on

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the Rolling Stones and Mick Jagger and
it's fabulous and once again, thank you

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for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. Brian, thank you very much.

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Well, Bet yeah, you know, Mick Jagger, by the way,

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is married to a woman named Hammrick, so it's it's kind of I think

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it's in the family. Are you
related to mix something? Maybe we got

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to be related or all related.
All the heads. I think he's got

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about fifteen or twenty kids, he's
got numerous models, and I assume his

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new wife's about thirty years old or
something, but probably about thirty. Yeah,

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yeah, the runway model. I
have the same problem he's got,

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so I understand. But Brian Hamrick, thank you very much for coming on

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the Bill Cunningham Show. Give my
best. All the folks at five.

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Thanks again, Miss cunning Out,
Thank you, Brian. Let's continue with

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more. It's one thing if you're
a pervert, okay, we'll turn you

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out. But if you're simply a
shooter at a Peace Park and Bramble and

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Madisonville, well we have to be
careful. Bill Cunningham News Radio seven hundred WULW