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You're listening to KFI on demand.
Mark, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.

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Hello Jesus Him Mark, what's going
on my pleasure? Well, my

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wife and I we just recently went
through bankruptcy and I'm self employed, she's

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self employed, and we've had a
real rough year and we've you know,

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we've lost everything. We've lost our
house, our cars, pretty much everything.

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So we're starting over. We're already
at the bottom, so the only

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way we can go is up.
So I'm just calling for encouragement and we

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continually, you know, try.
I'm still a contractor, have a masony

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and concrete business, and we've been
faithful Tithers. We've always gone to church,

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We've been involved in our church,
but we we just haven't gone because

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we don't have a car anymore.
And I'm just trying to figure out what

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can I learn from this. I
mean, I I have a relationship with

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you. I look forward to talking
to you throughout the day. I go

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to bed, I pray to you. I'm just I don't know, I

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just I'm confused right now. And
I know you're not the author of confusion,

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but I just need clarity on when
I'm supposed to get out of this,

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and if if we're going for experiencing
a like a fruit of I'm going

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through bankruptcy being Christians, and maybe
we're still suffering repercussions of it with our

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our work. I mean, we
just can't we can't see me get a

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paycheck. And it's not the lack
I'm trying. I don't know. I

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don't know what to do. I
have kids and it's just got a lot

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of my shoulders right now. I
just I don't know what to do.

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Mark, what what does your wife
do? You say she's self employed as

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well. Yeah, she's a realator. Oh boy, so you guys are

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getting tag teamed on this one.
And she approaches her work as a ministry.

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She true truthfully likes to help people
because she's we've lost her house,

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so she likes to counsel people that
have gone through that. And we're we're

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approaching everything with the right perspective.
But it's just every door keeps shutting.

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And these businesses were prosperous at one
time. Yes they were. My mind

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was my wife's recently went back to
work about a little bit over a year

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ago. Yeah, that's a tough
time to go back into real estate.

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Yeah, as far as being a
contractor. And you called and you're being

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incredibly brave and honest, and I
appreciate that, Mark, and I know

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that it's it's hard for you.
And men tend to tie a lot of

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their value and worth up into their
job and how they're providing for their family.

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And I realize you're being hit on
many different levels physically, the stress

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of it emotionally, that those battles
that you go on with yourself about oh

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gosh, I'm less of a man
because I'm not providing any of these things

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then, and that's of the devil, by the way, sure, and

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all those things are going to beat
on, uh, you know, come

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at you from different sides in addition
to you know, really the the finances

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being falling out from underneath you.
But you you built that from nothing,

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Okay, so you've been at nothing
before. This is probably the first time,

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with a wife and kids to be
in a situation where you're going,

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oh my goodness. And a lot
of times when people get to that that

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that die or place of having to
make such a decision as bankruptcy. And

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I know that there's Christians that go
back and forth, whether it's a Christian

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option. Some people argue, you
know, bankruptcy is a legal option,

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not a moral option. All these
things, let's push that aside to look

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at what's going on in your life
and the fact that you own it.

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To look around at the best thing
is there's only so much more you can

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lose, uh, And also how
you're going to rebuild this and what you're

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going to do differently, because that's
where you're at. You're at a rebuilding

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stage. You can't really salvage,
you continue to hemorrhage and all these things

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money and you're you're saying you can't
pull a paycheck. This is the time

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to look at what you do for
a living and whether you want to do

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something else or whether you're just going
to do a hold me over and jump

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into any job and that's fast food, that's anything to be in the workplace

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again. And also what methods you
you used that didn't work as far as

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putting money aside. I we have
many different friends of the Jesus Christ Show,

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and they have are from many different
walks of life, and I talk

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to them all about the things that
they do, whether it's saving money or

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investing or whatever they do and why
they do it. And we have friends

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of the show that are are that
are actors, and that's not a very

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sturdy line of work. And I
know some athletes and these types where you

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look, gosh, that's a very
temporal that's very limited as to how long

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you're going to be able to work. And I fear that sometimes although the

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mindset of those types of jobs is, hey, we have to save now,

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we have to work as much as
we can, we have to do

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what we can now because it's not
always going to be there, whereas some

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of your more traditional jobs tend to
think, oh, well, the work's

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always going to be there, or
the money, the income is always going

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to be there, and that's not
necessarily the case either. Did you build

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a plan, did you have a
savings account, did you have things that

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as far as a safety net.
No, Well, we moved and I

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moved into a new region where it
was booming with construction. And the problem

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is we bought a big house that
we could not afford. And you know,

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when I bought the house, my
income was great. I didn't plan

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ahead for the future. So the
house, you know, was the first

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step and going causing the bankruptcy,
and I did not have a plan for

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our future idea. I assumed,
you know, I go, well,

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just once again, our house get
established and I'll start that. And I

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didn't do that, And this is
where I am. Well. Buying a

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house is a strange thing. As
you'll find a lot of people say,

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hey, listen, you want to
stretch your your comfort zone in buying a

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home. But as we've seen the
evidence of in the past that a lot

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of people did that when they couldn't
and they stretched themselves beyond a normal limit

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and went to a limit that it's
not practically. You point that out yourself,

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and that's a that's a healthy statement
for you to make. Say hey,

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this is where I think we did
went wrong. So now you have

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a better outline of how to do
it right this time. And that's kind

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of where your mindset has to be. You have to switch from the mindset

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of gosh, I need to make
money as a masonry and say, okay,

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as a mason, I'm not bringing
in this money. Now, I

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need to look and find out any
kind of work I can do anything you're

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looking at getting work. I've even
talked to people on the program that are

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out of work, and I tell
them to do voluntary work because you shouldn't

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be you shouldn't be stagnant. You
need to be up and around and you

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need to be interacting with people,
and you need to be meeting them,

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and they need to be meeting you, and you need to be using skills,

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and you need to find ways to
do that now, otherwise you're going

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to continue to wither. As far
as it being a punishment, it's not

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a punishment. It's a consequence.
It's a consequence to the things that you

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did. There were some things that
you did that weren't very smart. You

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said, Okay, we're gonna put
I'm gonna put us in a house that

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that's over extending us and you're not
going to save and you put yourself in

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a situation where if there was a
problem, it's okay, you can't staff

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the firehouse as if there's never going
to be a fire. Yeah, and

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that's that's the problem. But the
best thing I hear, Mark is that

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you you are in charge of this, You and your wife are partners,

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and that you are already making note
of the things that you did wrong.

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So it's a matter of jumping back
in just differently. You're people try and

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jump back in where they where they
stopped, and that's not what you're doing.

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You have to jump back in at
the beginning, and you got to

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kind of start over again, but
better. It's like the old saying,

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Oh, going back, I wish
I knew now what I or I wish

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I knew then what I know now? Well now you do, so start

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over clean, but start over smart. Mary Ellen, Welcome to the Jesus

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Christ Show. Hi. Either we
recognize the anti Christ? What are his

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most obvious elderly signs? Well,
yeah, traits or behaviors. How do

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we get away from him? Well, in scripture, there's there's not a

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whole lot given. There's throughout the
centuries, you've had people think anybody in

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political power or prominence is the Antichrist. The President's always been believed to be

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the Antichrist by someone you go to
Vladimir Putin, you go to Pope's.

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People always are trying to attribute the
anti Christ moniker to people throughout history.

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Even Martin Luther was convinced way back
when the Pope in his time was the

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Antichrist. So in the nineteen forties, when you believed it was Adolf Hitler.

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And these don't, as sssarily point
to the specifics of scripture, because

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Scripture doesn't have a whole lot of
specifics when it comes to the Antichrist,

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doesn't say anything too specific about where
he, she it will come from.

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But a lot of Bible scholars do
speculate, and through that speculation, people

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start hearing things and thinking, wollow, Okay, well, it's got to

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come from this group board, it's
got to come from that. Some believe

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that it's going to be a rebirth
of the Roman Empire, that through that

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rebirth the Antichrist will come. Scripture
talks about the fact that there will be

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certain attributes, certain things that the
the the Beast, or the Antichrist will

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do and or say, their blasphemies
against God, putting themselves above God,

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these types of things, and many
many Biblical scholars have stated that it's probably

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most unlikely that the majority of people
would even really get an idea who the

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Antichrist was until the Antichrist was in
full form, and there's tons of speculation

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so on things like this where there's
so much speculation, I say this,

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if you know enough about the truth, if you spend enough time in God's

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Word with God's people, then it
will stand out. It will be juxtaposed,

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and you will see it more vibrant
that there is something amiss and it's

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people look for the anti Christ under
every rock, and there's problems. Everybody

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in the history up into this point
that is claimed to think somebody was the

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Antichrist has been wrong, and how
that individual comes to power is not essentially

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known. But the hope is that
you will have a good understanding of the

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truth of the Word of God to
know the difference to know that something is

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wrong, because the anti Christ is
probably going to use a lot of terms

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about God and religion and all of
these things. There are some that believe

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that the anti Christ has to be
a Jew because he has to claim messiahship,

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so things like that. People go
back and forth, but really it's

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all speculation. And Mary Ellen,
it's not that you should fear the Antichrist.

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It's that you should adhere to God
and to God's word and God's truth

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and to be rooted in that.
It's like asking, how can I tell

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a counterfeit? Well, you can
spend a lot of time learning about what

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a counterfeit is like and the details
of a counterfeit and the different processes that

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go into making a counterfeit bill.
Or you can be around real money enough

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to wear. The minute something that
is just a little off crosses your fingertips,

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he'll know. And that's the best
way to do it, because there's

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too much speculation back and forth as
to what it is. And there's you

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know that people worry about all every
little nook and cranny anything it's a little

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different. That's why throughout the history
of the Church, people have gone,

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oh, there's the Antichrist. No, there's the Antichrist. No, there's

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the Antichrist. It's not going to
be a guessing guy. When the anti

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Christ comes and is in full force, that Christians should know. Christians should

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know not just a gut feeling,
but there should be a tremendous sense and

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understanding that what that person is doing
is against scripture and against the Holy Word

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of God, and that the Word
of God is going to be the measuring

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rod of what is right or what
is wrong, and that's that's going to

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be the test. Tom. Welcome
to the Jesus Christia. Hello Jesus,

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I have a question for you.
Well, actually, a couple of I

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went to Catholic school for twelve years, and I'd heard the term agnostic.

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It wasn't until recently that, you
know, with the advent of the Da

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Vinci Code and the recent letters that
were found in Hagnamatti, that there were

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Gnostics, the Saint James, sat
Philip Thom, Saint Thomas. What what?

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Why did it seem like the Catholic
religion was against that particular offshoot of

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Christianity? And is it possible to
have a relationship with God, with Jesus,

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with you without an organized religion?
Now are you're talking about the scenes

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or the agnostics? Because agnosis or
agnostics means without knowledge. That's that means

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that they were they don't necessarily believe
in God or don't believe in God.

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They're not sure. That's not really
a sect, that's that's just a it's

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a worldview. But the the scenes
there there's difference. And see, this

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is why a lot of these books
unfortunate Dan Brown and uh and a lot

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of keep in mind their their fiction
and a lot of the stuff that's taught

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in them is is not historic.
And I know a lot of people think

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that it is, and they get
confused because there's a little bit of history

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here, a little bit of history
there, and they're using you know,

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actual street names and actual museums and
all these things, and uh, and

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then they kind of compile them.
But it's for entertainment purposes, and unfortunately,

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people start to consume those things,
or they hear certain words or certain

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names being thrown around and they feel
that they have an understanding. But as

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we say on the show over and
over, Tom, there's a major difference

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between good sound reasoning and reasons that
sound good, and so people get those

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two confused. I'm not sure what
you're asking. Well, my question is

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basically, Okay, the gossips that
were according to Saint Tom and Saint Philip,

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Okay, those were apocryphal. So
that's a whole different word. Apocryphal

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means hidden or in this case,
these were works that did not cut the

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mustard as far as the canonization,
meaning that there was something wrong either with

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the way they were written or the
authorship or the timeline, or something wrong

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with them that pointed to them most
likely not being scripture. And doesn't mean

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that they're bad, they're bad writings, or that they aren't you know,

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they wouldn't be of interest to read. However, they don't fit with scripture,

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meaning that there was some problem with
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at any work of antiquity. This
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any work of antiquity. If you
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by so and so, or it
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they have to kind of jive with
other bibliographical tests to make them considered part

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of a homogeneoust or you know,
hermeneutical work. It's like, well,

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this all works, and it all
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can be pointed to. There's things
that would cast it out from a group,

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and a lot of people assume that
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church did it because it said something
about reincarnation, or the church did it

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because it said something about women or
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not the case. And and and
then who who actually made that determination?

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truth. It was groups of bishops. There's not really it's not as formal

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as people think that it is.
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like it's more organic than that,
and a lot of people think, oh,

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well, gosh, the bibliographical tests, yes, they hold up on

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their own. But as far as
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absolutely there. There's many councils.
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the Council of Trent, the Council
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a purpose to refine or to agree
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more like a group, I don't
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coming together and saying this is the
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years. Is everybody in agreement that
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to do it, And everybody goes
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It's not a change per se,
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don't like this part, let's get
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part, let's add it's it's more
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the purity of it, saying hey, we've been doing this, there's no

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reason to add anything. We don't
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going to take anything away. Everybody
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the assumption is that there was these
big and books like that Dan Brown put

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out, and there's a lot of
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Vinci Code and Angels and Demons and
the like. But a lot of these

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books kind of allude to these secret
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really it wasn't. You're talking about
oral history being passed down and then in

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written form in a way that's much
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Now everyone goes, oh, well, you know, there can be could

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be a twist, or you know, imagine the internet. How ten years

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from now, Tom, You're not
going to be You're going to be able

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to find a the truth differently than
you've ever found it before, because you'll

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be able to pull up files.
Now you're going to have to gauge whether

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those files are real or not,
because, as you've seen in recent history,

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even newspapers have printed photographs that were
doctored. Even trusted newspapers and news

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programs have printed or run with stories
about presidents, about cabinets, about all

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kinds of things going on, war
stories and things like that that were lies

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or untruth. So what they ended
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the original somewhere, finding that there
was a contradiction in the original, and

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therefore the truth is preserved by the
investigation. And those similar things took place

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with scripture. Whereas people passed down
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to make sure that they didn't change. And so our Jewish brothers and sisters,

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the scribes that are the originated and
wrote down what the Christians refer to

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as the Old Testament. That was
done not page for page, not sentence

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for sentence, but character by character, and if there was a mistake made,

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it was crumpled and tossed or buried, essentially ceremoniously, but it was

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removed and start they started over.
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a chapter, then that and they
at the end of the chapter they made

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the mistake, the entire chapter was
buried. The painstaking process to make sure

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that it was the same and that
it didn't change. And these kind of

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filters ended up doing that. It
wasn't that there was you know, agnostics

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or this or that, or it
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going to have fringe groups that are
trying to steer things. The interesting thing

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is that you have this main artery
of truth going through and that even today,

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Tom, you're curious about these fringe
groups. Whereas you wouldn't do that's

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kind of backwards thinking. You wouldn't
do that on any other process, you

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wouldn't say, oh, but what
about this this one? Nowadays you look

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at them and you go, oh, they're fringe groups. They're the they're

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the wackadoodles, they're the wing nuts. But that you know, Jesus,

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with the with the like you said, with the internet, and you know,

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with all the information that's available so
quickly, I guess my ultimate question

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would be, then, with with
the information that you've given me, is

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can you have a relationship with you
without an organized being part of an organized

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religion? Yes, that's the easy
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absolutely. You don't need a building
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However, I would say this,
how productive do you think a person

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is that that doesn't use their checkbook, that never looks at the balance,

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never knows what they make, and
they just you know, can you balance

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a checkbook never looking at it or
knowing what you make? Not? Really?

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Does that mean you're always going to
go into overdraft. No, but

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you really don't have an understanding or
really good grip on the process of your

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money. You're just kind of winging
it. So is the relationship real?

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Can it be real? Absolutely without
a building or structure. But you have

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two choices in your spiritual life,
Tom, and that is organized religion or

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disorganized religion. And organized religion has
gotten a bad rap because, unfortunately,

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organized religion has to be run by
human beings and you guys tend to do

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things a certain way, and in
the process of doing that, have your

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own bias and these types of things, and it perverts the process. And

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there's going to be imperfections. But
there's as many hypocrites in the Church of

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Tom if you're the only one there, as there is in any other church

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that's filled. Thank you, because
you have those problems as well. Tom,

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wouldn't you say, oh, yeah, okay, So it's a matter

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of I know it's a pain.
My producer Neil not a big fan of

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it either. He is, you
know, going to church is like poin

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teeth for him. But but there
is something about that. You wouldn't Can

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you lose weight by not being on
an active program or exercising. Yeah,

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it's possibility. Is it the best
way? No? Can you stop drinking

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and not go to AA? Absolutely? But there's a there's a structure and

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a process in those twelve steps that
can be become beneficial if you're using them

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properly. You see what I'm saying. They all have They all have this

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purpose to structure. And you like
structure in every other part of your life.

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You know, you want the food
that you order to come out on

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time, You want the bank to
take out the right amount of money for

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the check that you wrote. You
want also you want structure in everything except

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your spiritual life. And I think
it's legitimate to ask yourself why, Benjamin

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Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Yes, hi, Jesus, thanks for

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taking my call, my pleasure.
I had a question in regards to wearing

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of the cross. I had a
member in my church who who loves to

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wear the cross, and he wears
the cross with the the image of yourself

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on the cross and nailed to the
cross and the whole whole thing. And

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and I told him, I said, I said, do you feel comfortable

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honestly wearing the cross? He said, well, yeah, that said that's

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a Christian image. I said,
well, think of it like this.

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Save your relative got murdered by a
group of thugs like the Romans, and

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and got murdered, you know,
pretty much for appreation the Gospel, which

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which which is a graving crime outside
of the Roman law. Now, would

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you feel comfortable of put in your
relative that was murdered on the cross?

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And he even he got silent evening, matter of fact, you look like

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he wanted to cry. Well,
it's an ugly image, the image.

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There were two thieves that died on
either side of me that day by the

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very same method. And there were
many thousands and thousands of people who were

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killed by way of execution, by
way of crucifixion. So it takes place.

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What I'd like you to see is
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and the reason why something that's so
horrific becomes a point of glory to many.

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And you know, a lot of
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and there's a lot of of our
Protestant brothers and sisters that prefer not

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to that, don't they If they
wear cross, it's a blank cross,

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that's not a crucifix with the actual
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it, so it's personal taste,
but really the belief is the same.

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Some people say the empty cross is
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Ultimately, if you want to wear
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be the empty tomb, not the
cross at all. But the process,

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the bloodshed on the cross and the
death on that cross is what brought that

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glory that you experienced today via salvation. And if somebody wants to wear a

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cross with the crucifixion on it,
so be it. Berry, Welcome to

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the Jesus Christ Show. Yes,
I've got a question about the Conservative Bible

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Project run by Philip Shockley's son.
I've only heard about this. Talked about

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secular liberals and people weren't Christians,
but they when I got on the website,

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said that the you know, the
NIV, your name, and the

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es V are corrupted not because of
lack of translational stuff, but because they

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have socialist influences in them. And
to me it seems to be pretty outrageous,

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even though I don't read those translations. Would you have to say about

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it? Well, as far as
the Conservative Bible Project goes. I'm always

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leery of any group that looks is
looking at scripture from a particular bent,

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liberal, conservative, black, white, any group that looks at the Bible

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from a particular bent can be a
problem when it comes to translation. The

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thing that I find interesting about the
Conservative Bible Project is that it's not the

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truth Bible Project. It's not about
saying we want the best translation possible,

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and those do exist. The ISV
is a new translation that you can find

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out. I think it's IV dot
org. But you can see the nesscient

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processes. They are not so nescient
at this point, but the beginning processes

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of Scripture being translated, and the
desire was to get the best translation possible,

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not the most conservative translation or the
most liberal translation. So I'm bothered

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by that because it should be the
most godly accurate translation. And for years

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you've heard the arguments against liberal bias
and scripture and people saying, oh,

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you're emasculating it by having the unisex
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these things, and really it's about
the content. Is the content still there?

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Are you hearing the importance of it? It can be bothersome that people

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say, oh, well, it
says mankind here, and that's offensive.

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You know, you understand the context
of what's being said. So to try

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and mutate or force into scripture something
you feel more comfortable with is not the

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way to go. What does scripture
actually say. Now, there's better scholars

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and people that are more efficient and
translating now than ever before, and that

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should be utilized, and new translations
should come out. And what a lot

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of people don't tell you, And
what a lot of people don't know about

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scriptures. They're often like you know, software, and they have newer versions,

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but like the NIV, for instance, will say it's the NIV,

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but you don't know that it's the
NIV two point h or three point oho

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or four point zher because when they
change it, they don't necessarily let you

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know. This happens with a lot
of translations, that there's changes or modifications

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as they get better or they correct
things. And this the attitude though,

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that it's got to be a conservative
bent or a liberal bent is missing completely

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missing the point. Are there those
that read into it yes? Are they

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those that read into it conservatively yes, And that's always going to be that

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case. But look for the truth
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Don't look for the political version first
that seems backwards. Kf I AM

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six forty on demand