WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:05.799 Using opinions expressed bad Sasquatch experience do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the host, 2 00:00:05.799 --> 00:00:10.839 sponsors, or affiliates of the Sasquatch experience. As always, listener discretion 3 00:00:11.160 --> 00:00:23.399 is advised. We got someone or something crawling around out here? Does a 4 00:00:23.440 --> 00:00:31.480 legend walk among us working in the forests of our world? Did you see 5 00:00:31.480 --> 00:00:35.439 what it was? Was it a person or an animal? Or I can't 6 00:00:35.479 --> 00:00:38.159 go Oh, I know as if my thunder light came on and I hear 7 00:00:38.280 --> 00:00:41.799 happened to glen and see this thing running across the yard, a good fight 8 00:00:41.960 --> 00:00:44.719 man or something works like a man. I don't know what it was. 9 00:00:50.039 --> 00:00:54.920 For over fifteen years, we've talked with scientists, researchers, investigators, and 10 00:00:54.960 --> 00:01:00.520 witnesses trying to gain insight and truth around the existence of this mysterious entity. 11 00:01:03.079 --> 00:01:10.359 Jesus quite ar pel, Hello, get somebody out here. What's going to 12 00:01:10.359 --> 00:01:12.719 announce there? That's got a mention about six foot nine? I don't know 13 00:01:14.000 --> 00:01:18.359 eas he announced there? Yeah, I'm working right Ay, Oh, okay, 14 00:01:18.400 --> 00:01:23.400 hand on her? Yeah, got he's big? Okay, what's he 15 00:01:23.439 --> 00:01:34.400 doing in your yard? We're gonna do join us as we continue into the 16 00:01:34.439 --> 00:02:02.599 investigation of the Sasquatch Experience. No, no, no, not all thy 17 00:02:02.840 --> 00:02:09.159 giving everyone. Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience. I'm shot. I'm shot in 18 00:02:09.159 --> 00:02:13.840 the fork chop forker. That's vance Nesbitt, that's Henry May, James Baker 19 00:02:13.879 --> 00:02:16.280 down to the bottom, and Matt Arner rounding out our crew. And tonight, 20 00:02:16.400 --> 00:02:21.840 as you can see episode one hundred and seven, skeptically speaking, we're 21 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:24.400 gonna take the skeptical position tonight, folks. No, you don't need the 22 00:02:24.479 --> 00:02:30.719 Kama Sutra for that one, but we're going to talk about gonna give a 23 00:02:30.800 --> 00:02:37.000 view, but you may learn one. That's that's foul and folks. That's 24 00:02:37.080 --> 00:02:39.879 James Baker. Good evening, everybody, and welcome to the show. Guys. 25 00:02:39.919 --> 00:02:44.639 It's been a couple of weeks. How the hell are you good? 26 00:02:46.159 --> 00:02:53.159 You're good? Birthday, I saw dinosaurs. Henry didn't die by by hurricane 27 00:02:53.240 --> 00:02:58.919 or tornado or southern disaster. Henry, what were you saying? You you 28 00:02:58.919 --> 00:03:01.840 were going to say something there and Baker stepped on you big. It's been 29 00:03:01.960 --> 00:03:07.800 cooler here lately. Yeah, that's nice for the residents of Mississippi. Mm 30 00:03:07.879 --> 00:03:12.520 hm. And it's good that you're here with us. Tonight, very nice. 31 00:03:12.960 --> 00:03:15.759 We are having a little issue. I'll say it. It's on my 32 00:03:15.080 --> 00:03:20.240 end with whatever's going on with the Internet. It's affecting me, which will 33 00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:23.560 affect the other house. So I apologize in advance, but we will press 34 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:28.759 on. Guys. Just a few housekeeping notes. We got a hell of 35 00:03:28.800 --> 00:03:32.639 a lot of events coming up in the next couple weeks. For instance, 36 00:03:32.879 --> 00:03:38.400 this weekend, believe it or not, Pokatella, Idaho, July twenty sixth 37 00:03:38.439 --> 00:03:45.919 to the twenty seventh sasquatchprints dot com presents the Bigfoot Rendezvous. Go to squatchprints 38 00:03:45.919 --> 00:03:49.840 dot com or call two zero eight two five one two zero zero five for 39 00:03:50.000 --> 00:03:54.000 tickets and information. Great speakers such as doctor Jeff Meldrum, Mark Marcel from 40 00:03:54.039 --> 00:03:59.639 the Ape Canyon and more. Thirty bucks is two days and it's a great 41 00:03:59.639 --> 00:04:02.000 event coming up. Again, like I said, this weekend, Pokatella, 42 00:04:02.120 --> 00:04:04.360 Idaho Vance, anything you want to add on that, because I know you've 43 00:04:04.360 --> 00:04:09.080 been promoting it pretty heavy. No, I've got promotions coming up on our 44 00:04:09.400 --> 00:04:13.120 news break, so and uh, you know, we'll just pat Eric Altman 45 00:04:13.240 --> 00:04:16.920 on the back and keep that one going absolutely. And then of course we 46 00:04:17.040 --> 00:04:23.600 are just a couple weeks away from the second annual Central Pennsylvania Bigfoot and Cryptid 47 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:30.000 Festival. Festival held on August third in Elysburg, Pennsylvania Memorial Park Avenue with 48 00:04:30.199 --> 00:04:34.480 many vendors and speakers. The festival's free speakers are ten dollars and it's limited 49 00:04:34.480 --> 00:04:39.360 to two hundred and fifty tickets. Get them today. Go to Central Pa 50 00:04:39.399 --> 00:04:45.439 Bigfoot dot com, Orgott Knockers dot org for more information. And I'm understanding 51 00:04:45.519 --> 00:04:49.360 Dvancegott Knockers dot org is back up and running. Yay for the show? 52 00:04:49.800 --> 00:04:56.879 Yeay, Oh, it's been something else. I'm sorry I got a little 53 00:04:56.879 --> 00:05:00.079 bit of a pause there because I just used a great amount of wind to 54 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:02.560 promote these events. But guys, you want to prevent you want to promote 55 00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:09.399 your event on our show, Email us info at Sasquatch Experience dot com Vance 56 00:05:09.439 --> 00:05:12.519 and I'll make sure they get hit to the air. Matt, how have 57 00:05:12.600 --> 00:05:15.639 you been. You've been the one that's been a little bit more absent than 58 00:05:15.680 --> 00:05:18.160 most. You've been out and about doing things. How's life treating your brother? 59 00:05:19.800 --> 00:05:24.959 It's treating me pretty good. Yeah, I've been trying to get up 60 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:28.959 the mountains. We were just up in Elk County over the weekend for the 61 00:05:29.079 --> 00:05:34.519 yard sale, and we were trying to trying to get some uh, you 62 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:39.680 know, people to talk about bigfoot up there. But a lot of people 63 00:05:39.759 --> 00:05:46.040 though, were just tight lipped. Right now so right now is not the 64 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:49.240 best time to be trouncing in the woods up there, thanks to all the 65 00:05:49.319 --> 00:05:55.759 rattlesnakes and everything else that are going on up there. But but you know, 66 00:05:55.920 --> 00:06:00.800 we're going to be out in the woods very soon, so look forward 67 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:05.800 to it, Steve. We don't condone anybody missing weddings, but as Baker 68 00:06:05.839 --> 00:06:13.120 says, maybe you'll catch the next one. You know, that's optimism right 69 00:06:13.160 --> 00:06:16.000 there from James Baker. Folks, he's here all week. Tip your waitress. 70 00:06:16.560 --> 00:06:19.240 But we've got a great show planned for you guys today. As I 71 00:06:19.240 --> 00:06:24.079 said at the top, we are j Michael in the house as well. 72 00:06:24.160 --> 00:06:26.439 Jay, how you doing, our friend and go check out the Jay Michael 73 00:06:26.480 --> 00:06:30.639 Show on YouTube and Facebook and everywhere else. I was a guest on there. 74 00:06:30.639 --> 00:06:33.759 It's good program. Jay has been broadcasting longer than I've been on Planet 75 00:06:33.759 --> 00:06:38.879 Earth, and he actually had an interview with one of my favorite actors, 76 00:06:38.879 --> 00:06:43.639 Peter Jurassic on the program. So go take a listen to the Jay Michael 77 00:06:43.720 --> 00:06:48.319 Show on Facebook YouTube wherever you can stream. He's there. Like us, 78 00:06:48.399 --> 00:06:55.600 we're streaming everywhere. Yeah, we're streaming, all right. So guys, 79 00:06:56.360 --> 00:07:01.040 this is what spurred the interest in this converse. For me, I've been 80 00:07:01.639 --> 00:07:08.839 kind of Facebook lurking a lot lately, just going through the different and we've 81 00:07:08.839 --> 00:07:12.839 got Lori, our good Patreon supporter, Lourie. Thanks for joining us love 82 00:07:12.839 --> 00:07:17.360 if we appreciate you being here. I've been trolling around on the Facebook groups 83 00:07:17.360 --> 00:07:23.879 and we the Bigfoot community in a whole, really getting slammed for our lack 84 00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:27.399 of skepticism. And I think we've all had this conversation with one another about 85 00:07:27.399 --> 00:07:31.319 how, at times it appears the inmates are running the asylum, that we 86 00:07:31.360 --> 00:07:35.560 could use a dose of skepticism and critical thinking. And it's getting to the 87 00:07:35.560 --> 00:07:40.160 point now where you know, we're not having a lot of allies out there 88 00:07:40.199 --> 00:07:43.319 across the aisle, and you know, this isn't even a political game. 89 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:46.000 This is a Bigfoot game. But we can't just seem to get people to, 90 00:07:47.879 --> 00:07:53.639 you know, think a little harder about not just the existence of Bigfoot, 91 00:07:54.519 --> 00:07:58.720 but evidence, photographs, videos. They're not going out and doing critical 92 00:07:58.759 --> 00:08:03.759 thinking. They're not going out and chasing down and seeing if anybody's talked about 93 00:08:03.759 --> 00:08:07.160 this stuff before. You know, there's videos that have been popping up. 94 00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:09.199 I was talking to Matt Nappy and from Bigfoot cross Roads. He and I 95 00:08:09.199 --> 00:08:13.240 had a, you know, a very long conversation about people not even just 96 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:18.680 doing the basic legwork to determine the validity of a photograph or video that you 97 00:08:18.680 --> 00:08:22.199 could tell is not recent, but they've done no historical research on it, 98 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:26.439 right, and so they prop up and have these arguments, and we spend 99 00:08:26.439 --> 00:08:30.439 time arguing with asshole and idiots who think it's the next great thing to the 100 00:08:30.480 --> 00:08:33.000 Patterson Gimlet film. And the fact of the matter is because we're the old 101 00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:37.159 head and Henry's laughing because you know, because we've probably been part of the 102 00:08:37.159 --> 00:08:41.399 people that have debunked it over the last twenty years. You know, we 103 00:08:41.559 --> 00:08:52.279 know it's not real. However, it's not stopping this wave of maybe it's 104 00:08:52.360 --> 00:09:00.320 it's an enthusiasm, a blind enthusiasm that's just promoting every piece of Bigfoot uh 105 00:09:00.759 --> 00:09:09.200 paraphernalia just popping up on the internet. It's true, there is a there 106 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:16.159 is a photo that's that's come up again, which has been debunked in the 107 00:09:16.200 --> 00:09:20.519 past, but yet it still comes back up. It's supposed to be a 108 00:09:20.559 --> 00:09:28.679 baby Bigfoot photo. It looks like a stuffed doll. Is it a stuff 109 00:09:28.720 --> 00:09:35.200 doll? Most likely it is a stuffed doll. We got our friend Jeff 110 00:09:35.240 --> 00:09:37.960 Thomas posting in the chat Jeffrey R. Thomas. Of course you can go 111 00:09:39.039 --> 00:09:43.000 check him out also on Facebook. I'm a shameless show, folks. If 112 00:09:43.080 --> 00:09:46.039 we've got our famous friends in here popping in, I'm gonna promote them because 113 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:52.200 I want to bring up Jeff Thomas after the news break. Okay, he's 114 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:56.559 gonna have to stick around for that. But going on what you just said, 115 00:09:56.600 --> 00:10:01.919 Henry, Uh, there's again. Okay, I don't have the picture 116 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:05.360 here, but there is one that this is one of the best photographs of 117 00:10:05.399 --> 00:10:11.000 Bigfoot ever. And it looks like it's sitting with its back to the camera, 118 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:15.759 leaning on one arm, sitting on the ground. What I clearly see. 119 00:10:16.039 --> 00:10:20.759 No, that's not what that is. That's a bear itching its neck 120 00:10:20.840 --> 00:10:24.279 with its butt in the air, and you see its hind leg, assuming 121 00:10:24.360 --> 00:10:30.080 it's an arm, that is a bear. But you know, there we 122 00:10:30.120 --> 00:10:33.240 go again. No, this is the best. Please is don't call it 123 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:39.200 the best until there's a definitive evidence that it is the best, and it's 124 00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:46.799 not. Ill, go ahead, bake elga. I think the big problem, 125 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:50.600 and this is the conversation I have all the time, is people go 126 00:10:50.720 --> 00:10:54.759 out in the woods and they see these things and they must assess it is 127 00:10:54.840 --> 00:11:00.399 that one thing, and they focus on what it has to be, what 128 00:11:00.440 --> 00:11:05.080 the evidence proves right. And I've always said that I believe the stories people 129 00:11:05.159 --> 00:11:11.200 give me unless they start bloating the story. Like I was at the Mothman 130 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:13.840 presentation. We just talked about Jeffrey Thomas when he's explained to me about his 131 00:11:13.960 --> 00:11:20.000 sighting and he's up on stage explaining he doesn't add fifty items to it. 132 00:11:20.039 --> 00:11:22.120 He's like, I think I saw something. I'm not one hundred percent sure 133 00:11:22.159 --> 00:11:26.799 what it was. If I would have been not alone and that somebody could 134 00:11:26.799 --> 00:11:31.200 have told somebody where I was or made sure that I got back, I 135 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:35.480 would have ran after this thing. But he didn't say I clearly saw this 136 00:11:35.559 --> 00:11:39.399 thing, and then an alien came down and we almost had a baby that 137 00:11:39.200 --> 00:11:43.200 you know, you know, But here's the thing. Is like, if 138 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:46.559 you listen to the people like the one thing I hate the word is experts 139 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:52.120 because if you talk to the people that I respect, and I always respect 140 00:11:52.120 --> 00:11:56.799 people like Lauren Coleman, I know I get crap for that, but Jeff 141 00:11:56.840 --> 00:12:03.240 Meldrum, I respect Cliff bare because when I've talked to the people, I 142 00:12:03.320 --> 00:12:07.240 respect Sean. You know, when I talk to the people, Oh my 143 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:13.679 god, is that Chaka? Is that Chaka? That's that's the that's the 144 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:24.120 baby photo lost Chaka. Just let it go, man. But the people 145 00:12:24.159 --> 00:12:28.679 that the people that I talked to at all all these conferences at different spots, 146 00:12:30.600 --> 00:12:33.559 never say they're experts, say that they're learning about something, and they 147 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:39.679 even admit, you know, I've had conversations and they even admit that they 148 00:12:39.759 --> 00:12:45.320 understand that fifty percent of what they're talking about is guessing and myth. Okay, 149 00:12:45.519 --> 00:12:48.000 they're never they're not saying I'm one hundred percent sure this track is this? 150 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:54.159 Even like I respect Eric Eric founder really nice tracks. But even him 151 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:56.159 at the bottom, he said, you know, this has all the telltale 152 00:12:56.200 --> 00:13:01.320 signs, but I want to make sure before I say I've put one hundred 153 00:13:01.320 --> 00:13:05.759 percent of my basket and this must be this right, you know, And 154 00:13:05.879 --> 00:13:09.080 those kind of people I respect compared to the one that's like, oh, 155 00:13:09.120 --> 00:13:16.120 no, it comes over every Tuesday and we have pie. No it doesn't 156 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:26.120 s Yeah, there are no experts on a thing that doesn't you can't touch, 157 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:33.159 you know, right, They're they're experts. There are experts in primatology. 158 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:41.840 There's experts in in biology ecology. Uh, those are experts that help 159 00:13:41.960 --> 00:13:48.759 us in the field. Uh. But there's no one here and no one 160 00:13:48.279 --> 00:13:52.120 on earth right now that you can say is a Bigfoot expert. Uh. 161 00:13:52.279 --> 00:13:56.200 You know, the closest thing you have is you have you know, like 162 00:13:56.320 --> 00:14:03.679 doctor Jeff is studying you know, the anthropology with the with the locomotion of 163 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:11.120 primates, and that includes a big spectrum of animals. Again primatology could it 164 00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:16.639 does include that. But to say that you're an expert something that has yet 165 00:14:16.679 --> 00:14:22.600 to be proven to exist is a fallacy. At this point, you have 166 00:14:22.679 --> 00:14:31.080 people lending their expertise and the field of study to a subject for scientific purposes, 167 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:37.399 right, Like, And that's the differentiator. And so when I start 168 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:41.440 seeing the terms like expert and listen, we've all been on different podcasts where 169 00:14:43.080 --> 00:14:46.919 the host or the promotional people have promoted a Bigfoot expert, Like I can 170 00:14:46.960 --> 00:14:50.039 assure you none of us put that in our bios and we're putting that out 171 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:56.440 to people to shop around for gigs. It's just something that was, you 172 00:14:56.480 --> 00:15:01.879 know, something done to attract interest. Thing right. It is half the 173 00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:09.399 headlines for bigfoot shows or cla clickbait clickbait now and it's just not something that 174 00:15:09.919 --> 00:15:13.039 you know, I want to partake in and participate in. Kasu Ninja says, 175 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:16.200 if there was a Jane Goodall equivalent in a big foot field, then 176 00:15:16.240 --> 00:15:20.559 maybe right. And you know that's the problem we do lack, but we 177 00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:24.879 lack a body for one, right. And I think when you start looking 178 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:28.600 into the skeptical argument, you know there is an importance to skepticism. You 179 00:15:28.639 --> 00:15:35.159 know it. You know it helps advance the knowledge, It challenges assumptions that 180 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:37.639 are made. It really makes us, you know, push harder to collect 181 00:15:37.639 --> 00:15:43.639 better evidence and think critically. But do you not think there's also a a 182 00:15:43.759 --> 00:15:50.360 subset of skeptics that are just as worse as true believers, yet they're just 183 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:56.360 so based off their dogma that they won't concede the point. And I'll tell 184 00:15:56.440 --> 00:16:02.240 you I've seen this. I'll see I've seen this firsthand. Over the weekend 185 00:16:02.480 --> 00:16:04.879 and uh, you know, for a lot of groups out there that promote 186 00:16:04.919 --> 00:16:08.919 the skepticism and they talk about you know, you know, there's a lot 187 00:16:08.919 --> 00:16:14.519 of ad hominine attacks that happen to the people that are making these claims on 188 00:16:14.600 --> 00:16:18.080 the on the collective whole of the research. You know, they can't even 189 00:16:18.120 --> 00:16:22.840 make an argument without making it a physical attack. Bigfooters are fat and stupid. 190 00:16:22.879 --> 00:16:26.720 Well, some of us are fat. We like to eat and we 191 00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:30.799 like to take a goat trip, that's right. But some bitch you call 192 00:16:30.879 --> 00:16:34.159 me stupid, I'll kick you in the nuts because I, uh, you'll 193 00:16:34.159 --> 00:16:37.840 see how quick I can lift my fat ass to kick you in the nuts. 194 00:16:37.000 --> 00:16:42.440 Uh. So, you know, just be careful, Like I really 195 00:16:42.480 --> 00:16:47.919 think that that's the fallacy. Like to me, I would be more inclined 196 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:52.399 to want to talk to skeptics if they could do it without the vitrol, 197 00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:57.559 right right. And you know what a lot of times, Sean, I've 198 00:16:57.720 --> 00:17:03.559 noticed because I out look, I have conversations just with general public. Not 199 00:17:03.680 --> 00:17:08.279 that I do this twenty four to seven, but I'll have a conversation and 200 00:17:08.319 --> 00:17:12.480 I get a skeptic. I learn a lot from the skeptic because they'll throw 201 00:17:12.599 --> 00:17:15.799 me a couple of ideas, going wow, I really never thought of that 202 00:17:17.000 --> 00:17:21.440 aspect of it before. A lot of skeptics say, well, there's no 203 00:17:21.519 --> 00:17:25.519 body, there's no evidence, and nobody's found one yet. I get that 204 00:17:25.519 --> 00:17:30.359 that's that's just kind of the dome covering the entire subject, but some people 205 00:17:30.400 --> 00:17:33.799 have brought up some really interesting points. I'm like, well, I never 206 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:38.359 thought of that before, and this is why I think the skeptic is really 207 00:17:38.400 --> 00:17:45.160 important in this entire field and research and the discussion that we're having in the 208 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:52.240 arena of ideas. So what I always believe, and the fact is that 209 00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:56.119 I know that I come off as a skeptic, and I am, but 210 00:17:56.200 --> 00:18:03.680 I'm not. My big concern is is that if if tomorrow they found out 211 00:18:03.759 --> 00:18:07.559 that there was a certain kind of bear that a cleft toe, and only 212 00:18:07.599 --> 00:18:11.839 one and three hundred bears had that cleft toe, and it left a specific 213 00:18:11.960 --> 00:18:15.559 print that we've been looking at for years, okay, and it had it 214 00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:19.200 walked a little bit more on its hind legs because of the way the toe 215 00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:23.640 structure was, okay, and then you know, if we found that bear 216 00:18:23.720 --> 00:18:27.240 existed and we could see it now, if somebody's been following some of the 217 00:18:27.279 --> 00:18:30.359 researchers, you know, they always say that for every three hundred bears, 218 00:18:30.359 --> 00:18:33.599 there's one softquatch. You know. That's where I got the number, you 219 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:38.039 know. But if you think about it is then you could look at you 220 00:18:38.079 --> 00:18:41.519 could say, Okay, this could be this, or this couldn't be that. 221 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:48.519 But like if Matt Tomorrow found a track, you want somebody skeptical to 222 00:18:48.839 --> 00:18:52.400 go through it with Matt, and Matt's also going to go through it in 223 00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:57.200 his head, going Okay, this track was here, these are the animals 224 00:18:57.240 --> 00:19:00.839 I know are in the direct area. Yeah, these are the animals that 225 00:19:00.920 --> 00:19:06.400 it could be. These are the animals it definitely couldn't be. And then 226 00:19:06.440 --> 00:19:08.599 he's going to break it down to the most core part to see what it 227 00:19:08.640 --> 00:19:11.799 could be or couldn't be. And then maybe he'll call me and go, 228 00:19:11.960 --> 00:19:15.599 hey, what do you think? And I'll go, well, did you 229 00:19:15.640 --> 00:19:19.480 ask these critical questions too? Or he'll call Sean Okay. But the thing 230 00:19:19.559 --> 00:19:23.839 is it's not I think. Where we get fighting, and we always get 231 00:19:23.880 --> 00:19:30.240 fighting, especially in communities as they are, is when someone attacks the possibility 232 00:19:30.279 --> 00:19:34.680 of your evidence, you take it personally instead of looking at it scientifically. 233 00:19:37.119 --> 00:19:41.720 Like I've never attacked anybody on there, on them personally. I've looked at 234 00:19:41.720 --> 00:19:45.599 what they showed me, and then I told them to stop circling pieces of 235 00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:52.039 paper. Okay, you know, but you and you make a valid point 236 00:19:52.079 --> 00:19:57.359 there. But because it also to the point where there's no unity in what 237 00:19:57.480 --> 00:20:02.920 the accept of accept of evidence is. And then when someone brings us evidence 238 00:20:02.960 --> 00:20:07.079 that's just not good enough and we say that evidence isn't good enough, then 239 00:20:07.119 --> 00:20:11.640 it becomes the or you don't like me, you don't like my evidence, 240 00:20:11.680 --> 00:20:15.279 it's just garbage and I'm stupid. No, nobody said that. What we 241 00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:19.200 said is that this particular evidence that you brought to us is just not good 242 00:20:19.279 --> 00:20:25.519 enough. Does that sting? Absolutely? But does that make it untrue? 243 00:20:25.839 --> 00:20:30.279 No? Does it make it? It makes it, you know, a 244 00:20:30.319 --> 00:20:36.240 fallacy of the scientific process when we're just going to accept anything and everything because 245 00:20:36.240 --> 00:20:40.200 we feel it's evidence, not that it's actual evidence or that it's good enough 246 00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:44.400 to actually do something with. We could go out there and take forty two 247 00:20:44.519 --> 00:20:48.680 hundred impressions that we find in the ground. Matt and I, Matt, 248 00:20:48.839 --> 00:20:52.359 you and I were out in the woods up and we started seeing impressions and 249 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:57.319 we followed the impressions all the way up until we got to something that we 250 00:20:57.400 --> 00:21:03.000 said, you know what has now translated from an impression in the ground to 251 00:21:03.119 --> 00:21:10.000 a footprints. And our conclusion was this is a bear, yes, and 252 00:21:10.640 --> 00:21:14.599 it's a pretty nice size one. But we could have looked at those footprints 253 00:21:14.599 --> 00:21:17.000 at the beginning and said, oh my god, here we go big footprints 254 00:21:17.119 --> 00:21:19.200 yep, because that's what we wanted them to be. So they can't be 255 00:21:19.240 --> 00:21:26.000 anything else. They have to be bigfoot. And so we we we followed 256 00:21:26.039 --> 00:21:29.240 these We don't follow the footprints. We just take the first two or three 257 00:21:29.240 --> 00:21:32.559 that we see. And if we would have just followed it to the logic 258 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:37.319 to the conclusion where they stopped, we got to the answer just by following 259 00:21:37.759 --> 00:21:41.599 you know, basic principles. Here here following the eel brick road. You 260 00:21:41.640 --> 00:21:47.559 know, we just had a black bear in central Illinois. Uh. I 261 00:21:47.599 --> 00:21:49.720 can guarantee at some point that's going to happen and there's going to be a 262 00:21:49.720 --> 00:21:56.240 big foot report of tracks in central Illinois. And here there's you know, 263 00:21:56.799 --> 00:22:00.720 uh, the camera traps and the ring doorbell pictures and with this black bear, 264 00:22:02.319 --> 00:22:07.440 they're not common in central Illinois. But you I can guarantee it's gonna 265 00:22:07.480 --> 00:22:10.720 happen. Somebody is going to file a report, and I'm going to keep 266 00:22:10.720 --> 00:22:14.880 my eyes completely peeled and say, yeah, let's go back to the whole 267 00:22:14.880 --> 00:22:19.000 bear thing. That's a good point, you know, And I think I 268 00:22:19.039 --> 00:22:22.519 think, like I said, is where I think we have to draw the 269 00:22:22.559 --> 00:22:26.839 line is look at what you know. You can't be gun ho on both 270 00:22:26.880 --> 00:22:33.920 sides. You have to. Science requires skeptics because otherwise we would be testing 271 00:22:33.960 --> 00:22:37.079 harmful things on us all the time to try to cure some disease and cause 272 00:22:37.119 --> 00:22:40.920 six other ones. Right, you got to have a you got to have 273 00:22:41.039 --> 00:22:44.480 somebody else that goes, no, dude, that won't work. You know, 274 00:22:44.799 --> 00:22:48.960 Hey, let's not let's not shoot heroin into your system and say that'll 275 00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:53.039 fix cancer. Yeah, let's not do that. Okay, let's just not 276 00:22:53.039 --> 00:22:56.240 not make funny, you know, treatment a little bit more enjoyable. But 277 00:22:56.480 --> 00:23:00.200 no, I know what you mean. That's a good point. I mean, 278 00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:04.440 But but you think about it is you always have to have a secondary 279 00:23:04.519 --> 00:23:10.920 group. The one thing I don't like about is, and Sean kind of 280 00:23:10.920 --> 00:23:15.119 brought it up, was is the true believers in the skeptics. If you 281 00:23:15.319 --> 00:23:18.960 believe so much then believe. That's fine. If I don't think you don't 282 00:23:19.000 --> 00:23:23.200 think my evidence is good enough, that's fine, then walk away. If 283 00:23:23.279 --> 00:23:29.720 I think that Bigfoot was never real and it's imaginary and everybody's crazy, then 284 00:23:29.759 --> 00:23:33.319 I need to walk away and let you guys do your own thing. Hey, 285 00:23:33.559 --> 00:23:37.400 you're the one spending the money on trinkets of crap. I can go 286 00:23:37.440 --> 00:23:40.559 over and go, you know, go do something else. But it's the 287 00:23:40.559 --> 00:23:44.599 ones that are variantly like show up at like Ohio Bigfoot and go, oh, 288 00:23:44.720 --> 00:23:45.839 you know why I'm here? This is so stupid. You guys are 289 00:23:45.880 --> 00:23:49.319 idiots. You know what, you paid one hundred and thirty dollars to give 290 00:23:49.359 --> 00:23:56.000 me an opinion. I don't e f and care about. You know. 291 00:23:56.119 --> 00:24:00.400 It's like these people they go. It's like the people go to rallies and 292 00:24:00.440 --> 00:24:06.000 go I hate you, or go to some person's concert that they hate. 293 00:24:06.119 --> 00:24:08.960 I'll take two hundred and twenty five dollars till Taylor Swift she sucked my whatever. 294 00:24:10.039 --> 00:24:12.480 I'm like, so you pack two hundred and twenty five dollars for her 295 00:24:14.599 --> 00:24:18.319 to her later on, she's gonna be, you know, eating lobster and 296 00:24:18.359 --> 00:24:21.799 hanging out on your two hundred and twenty five dollars so you could maybe get 297 00:24:21.799 --> 00:24:26.200 a chance to argue with the great one that you hate. You waste a 298 00:24:26.240 --> 00:24:30.920 lot of time, folks, if you're listening, we are accepting Patreon support 299 00:24:32.279 --> 00:24:36.200 and our earnings for as little as two dollars a month. We can send 300 00:24:36.279 --> 00:24:45.400 James Baker to a Taylor Swift. She will never forget it. I'll swiftly 301 00:24:45.519 --> 00:24:51.880 that right. Man. We do fel like in Palestine, Ohio, oh 302 00:24:53.960 --> 00:25:00.839 ooh. But you know what I think. Though I I've had my own 303 00:25:00.920 --> 00:25:06.640 experiences that have allowed me to craft my viewpoint, I'm still very skeptical about 304 00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:11.279 most of what's fed to me or positioned to me. And what I get 305 00:25:11.319 --> 00:25:22.519 irritated about is this constant, this noodling or needling from skeptics and say we're 306 00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:26.799 not skeptical enough. And I just totally disagree with that. And so like 307 00:25:26.839 --> 00:25:30.480 when we're talking about some of these things, we've been advocates for a long 308 00:25:30.559 --> 00:25:34.519 time for the standard of evidence to be better and for us to be more 309 00:25:34.559 --> 00:25:42.039 selective and to educate ourselves to collect better evidence. We just need folks to 310 00:25:42.599 --> 00:25:45.759 join us from that other side of the table and help us create that. 311 00:25:47.680 --> 00:25:49.480 Right, you know, instead of shooting your mouth off, why don't you 312 00:25:49.519 --> 00:25:53.400 be part of the solution, said part of the problem, right, volunteer 313 00:25:53.480 --> 00:25:59.400 your time and services. Can I interject just a real quick question to the 314 00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:04.000 to the panel here, do you think for each day that goes by in 315 00:26:04.839 --> 00:26:08.480 two weeks from now is going to be a little bit different that? You 316 00:26:08.519 --> 00:26:15.160 know, actual sighting reports become more minimal only because of the fact of our 317 00:26:15.359 --> 00:26:23.200 expansion into these areas and into the research where maybe if the creature is real, 318 00:26:23.799 --> 00:26:32.440 is becoming more and more and more elusive till it's an extinct being at 319 00:26:32.440 --> 00:26:37.599 some point it can only be so elusive. And to the point Baker says, 320 00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:42.319 either it's incredibly smart as abilities that we aren't able to comprehend or detect, 321 00:26:42.759 --> 00:26:49.640 or it doesn't exist, right, And that's a sad realization. Okay, 322 00:26:49.640 --> 00:26:52.880 but you know Baker has said that for years. Yeah, and I 323 00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:59.519 and I agree with the statement that we've been using quite a bit lately. 324 00:27:00.519 --> 00:27:10.359 Uh, think Bigfoot last, mm hmmm mm hmm. What were you thinking 325 00:27:10.400 --> 00:27:17.880 about it? I thought Henry was gonna talk. I didn't want to. 326 00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:27.480 Well, that's the thing I can't take credit for. Think Bigfoot last Shelley 327 00:27:27.519 --> 00:27:33.240 coming to Montana came up with that. I'm just telling him, Oh, 328 00:27:32.359 --> 00:27:41.200 well, I'm so mad here. Let's keep talking, Henry, Well, 329 00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:51.200 I get no, but but yeah, that's that's the thing. You have 330 00:27:51.279 --> 00:27:53.680 to think, Bigfoot last. You can't go out and say, well, 331 00:27:55.160 --> 00:28:00.640 this track is made obviously made by a sasquatch. You have to cast it, 332 00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:07.200 photograph it and send the cast off if you can, or make a 333 00:28:07.240 --> 00:28:11.519 copy of it. Send it doctor Melder and see what he thinks. Right, 334 00:28:12.759 --> 00:28:19.200 Scott posts it was Amy Boo herself described as a hopeful skeptic during a 335 00:28:19.279 --> 00:28:22.160 presentation, and think of what she's doing in the field. It's a really 336 00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:26.119 good point, guy, you Ninja. Should we call it evidence though, 337 00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:30.799 or data? And that's a good point. We probably should call it data 338 00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:36.440 until it's sufficient enough where we could decide it's evidence or somebody decides that it's 339 00:28:36.519 --> 00:28:41.920 evidence quality. J Michael, you have to be skeptical towards your own experience. 340 00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:45.799 One. I agree with that to no end. I think when we 341 00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:52.440 start, when we stop processing and questioning what we experienced, we go into 342 00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:57.400 that danger zone of true believer. And I call that a danger zone because 343 00:28:57.599 --> 00:29:04.480 a true believer the tendency is to stop critically thinking and that everything in anything 344 00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:08.640 is bigfoot and that's not the case. And nine times out of ten, 345 00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:15.920 that becomes where we spend the majority of our time focusing on that bullshit as 346 00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:18.880 opposed to that one percent we need to be out you know that we could 347 00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:26.119 be missing real data right because we're spending time arguing about stuff that we just 348 00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:30.400 know, you know, wanting to believe something in it being in existence are 349 00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:37.880 two distinctly different things. And I just we we have to we have to 350 00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:41.799 be smarter than this, and we have to start coming up with some standards. 351 00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:45.839 There are some great organizations out there, the na b r C, 352 00:29:45.240 --> 00:29:52.200 the NAWAK, you know, the Olympic Project, you know what We're going 353 00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:59.000 to be launching up here in Pennsylvania, Matt with you know, Darby Orcutt. 354 00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:03.079 You know, like there's a lot of people involved in this endeavor now 355 00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:07.440 that are really trying to come up with a new standard. Doug Hichick. 356 00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:11.200 When Legend Meet Science two comes out, there's going to be a whole new 357 00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:18.559 a whole new ways to collect collect this data, collect these samples. That's 358 00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:22.599 just going to be marvelous things that we didn't have ten years ago that how 359 00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:29.599 many of us have taken that time to grow and learn ourselves to be able 360 00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:37.279 to understand and collect and do this this new type of evidence collection, right, 361 00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:40.799 And that's what it's going to come down to, is you're going to 362 00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:44.519 have to you know, because we've had how many conversations with people that they've 363 00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:48.960 spent months, weeks, years in a certain location because they thought they saw 364 00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:52.720 something. And then you you, they show you this bag of evidence, 365 00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:56.880 and you don't want to hurt their feelings because it is their baby. You 366 00:30:57.000 --> 00:31:00.519 call it whatever you want, but it's there. It's there. They've been 367 00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:03.079 believing this for years. They're hyped up, they're excited to show you, 368 00:31:03.079 --> 00:31:06.559 you know, and then you go, well, dude, that's a dog 369 00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:10.519 hare and by the way, that's a circle and a tree stump. You 370 00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:14.240 know, you've been wasting three years of your life when you know maybe you 371 00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:17.440 could look somewhere else, you know, and I can see where it hurts 372 00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:23.759 people. But sometimes sometimes, unfortunately in life, somebody has to explain to 373 00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:27.759 you that you're wasting your time. And it does. You don't have to 374 00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:32.400 be mean about it, but at the same time, you've got to be 375 00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:37.400 realistic, or at least what you've got to do is say that's really nice, 376 00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:41.359 bless your heart, and then move on to somebody else. You know 377 00:31:41.559 --> 00:31:45.480 that way, then you're not wasting your time with that. We're going to 378 00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:48.200 take our break here real quick, guys, but kaiji ninja. Once again, 379 00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:53.200 I think there would be less skeptics if more new data were presented, 380 00:31:53.599 --> 00:31:56.559 not the same stuff such as footprints, hair, audio, et cetera. 381 00:31:56.960 --> 00:32:00.480 We can call that data, but we need something more more than that, 382 00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:05.079 and deactly that's I think that's the bottom line on that. We're gonna take 383 00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:07.279 our mid show break here. Folks. Stick around. You're listening to the 384 00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:14.400 Sasquatch Experience on Facebook anywhere you can stream Instagram right now. We're also alive. 385 00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:19.240 We'll see in just a few on those folks. Stay care. Like, 386 00:32:19.359 --> 00:32:22.640 one thing I've never understood is like the foot fetish, Like, are 387 00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:27.200 you guys together right here? Yeah? Pelling you guys been together five years? 388 00:32:27.240 --> 00:32:32.319 Wow? Do you ever suck on her feet? Now? Would you 389 00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:44.200 if you had a different girlfriend? Ah? Yes, you know. I 390 00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:47.720 think it might be a cool idea to have a little subgroup here at the 391 00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:54.519 Sasquatch Experience called the Foot Fetish. Maybe that'll be our movie night name the 392 00:32:54.599 --> 00:33:00.960 Foot Fetish is gonna watch a movie. Sean's over here smacking himself in the 393 00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:05.359 head. It's my show, dude. Stop making stuff up. Anyway, 394 00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:10.119 Happy Monday Night to you all. I hope you're having an enriched Monday Night. 395 00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:16.640 In a past week, and I was going through certain newspapers to find 396 00:33:16.759 --> 00:33:22.000 articles, and hey, I came across this from the New York Post last 397 00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:30.680 week and the headline reads, terrified teens spot bigfoot with glowing eyes in a 398 00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:37.839 Louisiana forest. Call nine to one one for rescue now. The article goes 399 00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:43.759 on to say a group of terrified teenagers called police in a panic after they 400 00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:50.200 claimed they ran into a growling, Bigfoot like creature with glowing eyes. Officials 401 00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:57.880 said the recent high school graduates from Huma in southern Louisiana were camping in the 402 00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:06.039 Kisachi National Fest. Kasachi National Force is about one hundred miles northwest of Baton 403 00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:13.039 Rouge when they reported a chilling encounter last week. According to the knacka dish 404 00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:19.719 these big words, boy, I'm telling you nak a dish perish Sheriff's office, 405 00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:24.800 they recalled seeing a large animal that resembled bigfoot shortly after they set up 406 00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:30.719 camp about a mile and a half off the Backbone Trail in southern Nakadish Parish. 407 00:34:31.159 --> 00:34:37.320 According to police, around nine twenty pm on June twenty eighth, one 408 00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:43.239 member of the group, who were all seventeen and eighteen years old, called 409 00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:47.239 nine one one after they reportedly hurt a growl and saw what appeared to be 410 00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:52.880 an animal that had glowing eyes and stood about five feet tall. According to 411 00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:59.280 the Sheriff's office, deputies responded to the scene and walked to the camp site. 412 00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:04.880 Vigilant for any mythological creatures. They followed the sound of the teen's whistles 413 00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:09.480 to the campsite and found the teens frightened but unharmed, and they were safely 414 00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:16.320 escorted out of the forest by deputies. Despite a thorough investigation, deputies were 415 00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:23.960 unable to locate any suspicious activity involving a growling creature with glowing eyes standing five 416 00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:30.039 feet tall. This is not the first bigfoot sighting in the Kasachi National Forests. 417 00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:36.559 Two self proclaimed bigfoot researchers, who only provided their names as tax Law 418 00:35:36.920 --> 00:35:43.159 and Claude to avoid ridicule, claimed in twenty nineteen, they had a visual 419 00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:50.960 and audio evidence of the Cryptid's existence in the dense six hundred thousand acre woods. 420 00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:54.920 When we come back, we'll keep pounting that same thing in your head 421 00:35:55.039 --> 00:36:05.000 over and over until you go. You listening to the big clipical horns right 422 00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:22.440 here on the Sasquatch Experience. 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Good evening, 444 00:39:17.000 --> 00:39:21.920 folks, welcome back Sasquad Experience on Hooker Vance Nez but Henry May, 445 00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:25.719 James Baker and Matt Arner as we've been talking about here, at least for 446 00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:32.000 the last about twenty minutes, we have been talking about the skeptical viewpoint right, 447 00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:37.440 skeptically speaking, and how we need to inject a little bit more skepticism 448 00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:42.320 into what we're doing. But I think again we have to reiterate we're not 449 00:39:42.519 --> 00:39:49.480 talking about those uh, you know, dogmatic you know naysayers. It's you 450 00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:52.880 know, we want people to really truly embrace the skepticism for what it is 451 00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:59.880 and the spirit of skepticism, which is respectfully challenging and critiquing, adding input 452 00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:06.719 and you know, disproving assumptions, not the you know, ad hominine attacks 453 00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:14.960 and the you know, just agnant positions they take where those the firm positions 454 00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:19.440 where it just cannot be. Because I say so, I think that takes 455 00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:23.519 just as much evidence as us, you know, trying to prove his existence. 456 00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:28.639 And then again you have the true believers. While we were on our 457 00:40:28.760 --> 00:40:30.840 little news break there, just catching up with some comments, J Michael, 458 00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:35.639 I know what I saw, but there's no way I can translate that experience 459 00:40:35.719 --> 00:40:39.079 to It's actually a good segue into our next topic. Carleen says, I 460 00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:43.920 think it's the same for everything. A skeptic as a future believer who still 461 00:40:43.960 --> 00:40:47.199 needs to have their questions answered or needs to see more evidence. I don't 462 00:40:47.199 --> 00:40:52.880 want to say a future believer, but as somebody I think who maybe has 463 00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:59.960 the potential to be encouraged and have their mind changed, have their mind changed 464 00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:04.599 by the evidence. Right. So, all very good comments there, but 465 00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:07.559 as Jay says, it's hard for him to translate his experience. Again, 466 00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:13.239 we look at one of the things we tote as the one of the principal 467 00:41:13.280 --> 00:41:16.840 foundations on the existence of bigfoot guys, eyewitness accounts, And Matt, I 468 00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:21.920 really want your input on this because you have a law enforcement background, but 469 00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:27.559 often cited as evidence, but they are accounts are not reliable and therefore not 470 00:41:27.679 --> 00:41:34.119 scientifically scientifically convincing. Human perception is easily fooled, so it's difficult to rely 471 00:41:34.199 --> 00:41:37.719 on what people say they see, especially if they already have belief. So 472 00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:43.199 you're influencing your own, uh, you know, mind of what you've seen. 473 00:41:44.079 --> 00:41:47.039 But you know, then again, when we look at this, you 474 00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:50.840 know, and Matt, I'll let you give you a few viewpoint. We 475 00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:54.760 rely on eye witness testimony a lot in our legal system. We do, 476 00:41:55.079 --> 00:42:06.559 so how do we translate that to some workable, uh, workable piece of 477 00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:12.119 data collection and science. Well, if you have an eye witness for a 478 00:42:12.199 --> 00:42:15.599 crime, the first thing that you need to to you know, to show 479 00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:22.199 is a crime did actually occur. So, uh, the the mini mart 480 00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:28.119 was robbed, you can you know, you can show that the mini mart 481 00:42:28.199 --> 00:42:35.760 was was robbed. There's a Mini mark store and that the person that that 482 00:42:35.800 --> 00:42:39.079 went in, you know, we have an eyewitness that can identify that person. 483 00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:45.320 For the most part, it's a you know, you can say that 484 00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:49.559 we are all human beings, so that we exist. So we know that 485 00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:53.360 a, you know, at the store was robbed and b it was a 486 00:42:53.480 --> 00:42:58.039 human being. For the most part, I've seen some weird things happen, 487 00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:04.079 especially if you're down in Tennessee. I saw bears breaking into cars. But 488 00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:08.360 anyways, you can say that a person, you know was that it was 489 00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:15.280 the you know, person responsible, that suspect, and I'm able to identify 490 00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:23.280 that that person with the sasquatch. We don't know that it exists completely. 491 00:43:23.960 --> 00:43:30.280 We have these eyewitnesses that are coming forward. They're giving excellent, the very 492 00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:37.000 detailed descriptions on what they saw. We're interviewing these people. I'm training in 493 00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:45.920 interviewing interrogation. I'm training the read method of interviewing. I'm very apt on 494 00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:52.360 finding deceptive behavior, and I have seen that in a few eyewitness encounters, 495 00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:54.760 but there are some that I have not. You know, I did not 496 00:43:54.880 --> 00:43:58.880 see that this person was telling the truth. Now, the one thing is, 497 00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:04.159 again you're looking for reception. You know, could have been a bear 498 00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:09.639 walking on its hind legs. That the person saw something large, hairy that 499 00:44:09.760 --> 00:44:15.559 was walking on two legs, that was about seven feet tall. That's always 500 00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:22.079 possibility. And they but if they're giving a detailed description and they're not showing 501 00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:25.360 these deceptive behaviors and they're saying, listen, this thing had a cone shaped 502 00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:32.039 head. It had shoulders, you know, in a chest that was that 503 00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:37.840 had to be you know, at least sixty inches around, if not more. 504 00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:40.199 You know, it had arms that that went down, you know, 505 00:44:40.320 --> 00:44:44.679 past the knees. I was able to see a face. You know, 506 00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:46.760 I didn't see a snout. I saw, I saw a flattened nose. 507 00:44:46.840 --> 00:44:51.880 I saw you know, the green skin. I saw eyes that you know 508 00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:55.519 are in pretty much the same area that we are. It's things like that 509 00:44:55.519 --> 00:45:00.679 that really, you know, open up our mind as to you know, 510 00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:06.000 there must be something strange out there in the woods that people are seeing. 511 00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:10.800 Again, we have the proof on it. Right now, real quick. 512 00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:14.199 I don't mean to step on you, but I want to get this thought 513 00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:19.760 because we're still on this topic. Do you find that when you have a 514 00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:24.679 witness that has so much detail that it's actually concerning, that it raises doubt 515 00:45:24.880 --> 00:45:29.360 and credibility to you when somebody just seems, you know what, man, 516 00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:34.480 they either really had the best you know, ability to digest and take an 517 00:45:34.519 --> 00:45:38.559 information so quickly, or they're really making some they're filling in their own blanks 518 00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:45.079 making well. It's interesting because usually when people have these encounters who are not 519 00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:52.960 the you know there usually a lot of witnesses have some sort of trauma I'm 520 00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:57.840 connected to seeing something like this because they're not expecting to see a seven foot 521 00:45:57.880 --> 00:46:00.519 harry creature across the road in front of them, we're or uh you know, 522 00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:04.679 walk behind them when they're hiking into woods. So so there's there's some 523 00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:07.280 trauma. And usually when there's trauma, what we found is a lot of 524 00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:14.960 times with victims or witnesses, they will occasionally not remember you know, a 525 00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:20.320 specific uh you know, identifiers, you know, with uh say, with 526 00:46:20.360 --> 00:46:22.880 the with the suspect, you know, with the person wearing a hat, 527 00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:27.400 I'm not sure, you know, like you know what what was the person 528 00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:30.599 wearing? You know, I'm not sure. And usually that has a lot 529 00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:34.119 to do with the trauma. And now when we do have somebody that comes 530 00:46:34.119 --> 00:46:37.519 in and says, oh, I even saw the wrinkles, you know it 531 00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:40.440 it had you know, this salt and pepper hair and it you know, 532 00:46:40.960 --> 00:46:46.400 its hands went a certain way. You know, either they didn't experience a 533 00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:50.199 lot of trauma or again, there they could be filling in the blanks. 534 00:46:50.599 --> 00:46:53.400 But again, when when we do talk to these people again, we're giving 535 00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:58.119 them, you know, we'll do some baseline questions to see, you know, 536 00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:02.360 what their reactions are and how how they react to to certain questions and 537 00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:07.760 how they answer them. And then well we do see that they're not giving 538 00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:15.400 deceptive behavior when they're trying to you know, again it's uh, you know, 539 00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:22.119 we we do run into that quite a bit. You know. There 540 00:47:22.239 --> 00:47:24.519 seems to be also a point to again, sorry, do you mean to 541 00:47:24.559 --> 00:47:30.719 step on anybody that they're on your to your point, Matt, a sense 542 00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:38.039 of embellishment in order to make the picture bigger of the experience that the person 543 00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:43.639 had to be taken a little bit more seriously. Sure, and so there 544 00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:49.199 is a slight sense of embellishment of well, instead of five feet tall, 545 00:47:49.239 --> 00:47:53.440 it was eight feet Well, I'll tell you my biggest and you know, 546 00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:59.800 I do keep an open mind, but one of my my biggest complaints I 547 00:47:59.840 --> 00:48:07.400 guess us about the bigfoot community is the size of these things. And uh, 548 00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:10.199 you know, they'll you know, they always do the tree measurement, 549 00:48:10.360 --> 00:48:14.960 you know, and well did it go up to this branch? And a 550 00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:17.400 lot of people again, when you're in a fearful situation and you're seeing something 551 00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:22.519 that you you've never seen before and you were told doesn't exist, and and 552 00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:27.639 they see something peeking behind the tree or or over by the tree, they're 553 00:48:27.679 --> 00:48:30.440 going to make it look a lot bigger than what it actually was. And 554 00:48:30.760 --> 00:48:36.159 yes, we're getting some big footprints, but uh, you know, really 555 00:48:36.239 --> 00:48:40.880 from some collective data that I'm getting is, especially in Pennsylvania, we're not 556 00:48:42.079 --> 00:48:45.159 looking at you know, eight or nine foot tall creatures. We're looking at 557 00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:52.159 six to seven foot tall creatures, you know, And uh yeah, yeah, 558 00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:55.760 well, and and again you know, we even have you know, 559 00:48:57.039 --> 00:49:04.239 the little people was at the altbut which I think it's called Yeah, so 560 00:49:04.239 --> 00:49:07.599 so again, you know, we're you know, I think when when people 561 00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:10.960 come in, oh my god, it was ten foot high. You look 562 00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:15.719 at that, and you look at when people talk about bears, And I 563 00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:20.679 always use bears as a good example. I live in an area. I 564 00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:22.960 mean, granted, I could be sitting here right now and a bear can 565 00:49:23.079 --> 00:49:27.519 climb into my backyard because they're the mountains right behind us, and the bears 566 00:49:27.559 --> 00:49:30.320 are out all the time. But if no one's as familiar with the bears, 567 00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:34.000 are going to think, oh my god, that bear that just you 568 00:49:34.039 --> 00:49:37.360 know, walk down the street. It has to be you know, four 569 00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:40.679 hundred five hundred pounds. Well I saw the video, you know because on 570 00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:45.800 my ring doorbell where I saw the picture that the neighborhook and you know what, 571 00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:47.840 that's only like one hundred and fifty pounds bear. You know. So 572 00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:52.440 when people will, especially when they're fearful of something, they're going to make 573 00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:55.519 it look bigger. They're going to make it seem, you know, meaner 574 00:49:55.519 --> 00:50:07.440 than what it actually is my own size and weight. Right, So I 575 00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:12.119 want to go back to your whole mini mart experience. So I used to 576 00:50:12.119 --> 00:50:15.639 work at a mini Martin got rocked. It was a two minute experience, 577 00:50:16.119 --> 00:50:22.400 and I can explain detailed what happened and things like that. So I tell 578 00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:31.239 the police what I remember, and then this is where this is now. 579 00:50:31.360 --> 00:50:36.639 They were trying to they were drunk and trying to steal from me, and 580 00:50:36.679 --> 00:50:44.480 they wanted smokes, and it's a whole thing. But I they left, 581 00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:47.599 I explained how there was no weapon involved. This happened here, you know, 582 00:50:47.679 --> 00:50:54.000 and then the police asked me follow up questions and then they see us 583 00:50:54.119 --> 00:51:00.239 side basically like there was a camera behind me. Hey, the door as 584 00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:02.519 a thing on it that says, hey, this is six feet, this 585 00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:06.880 is seven feet, this is four feet. Which one did they fall in? 586 00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:10.519 What did they look like? What were they approximately wearing this' and this? 587 00:51:12.159 --> 00:51:19.039 But like and that's where I think sometimes we get it's not as much 588 00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:22.559 you're being skeptical. You want to get the whole picture because they can be 589 00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:25.320 the guy. When they caught the guy at the next convenience store trying to 590 00:51:25.400 --> 00:51:30.519 rob that guy, which was like ten minutes away from my store. My 591 00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:35.599 information made it easier for them to catch him while he was trying to do 592 00:51:35.639 --> 00:51:39.639 it to the next store. But the fact was is that the police asking 593 00:51:39.679 --> 00:51:45.199 me the extra questions, checking to make sure I was saying things, saying 594 00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:47.519 what I thought, to look at the camera to shay, hey, you 595 00:51:47.599 --> 00:51:52.679 notice this tape is here. Some training I got as being an associate said 596 00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:55.360 hey, by the way, if you're ever robbed one, don't fight him, 597 00:51:55.480 --> 00:51:59.519 dude, don't leave the store. Three give him you know, Like 598 00:51:59.559 --> 00:52:02.239 we had a list of rules, and you know that helped me. And 599 00:52:02.320 --> 00:52:07.800 I'll say, survive the experience. And like, you have people that are 600 00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:13.519 seeing this thing and they're not they're not trained to see this thing. They're 601 00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:17.679 not they don't have the base training I had. But also is sometimes they 602 00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:25.360 feel either ashamed or they're on edge when you start breaking down what they saw 603 00:52:25.519 --> 00:52:30.400 by questioning it not you're not questioning in a negative way. You're questioning it 604 00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:35.840 to understand. And if worker has worked with me for years and he knows 605 00:52:35.920 --> 00:52:38.360 on the other side of this coin how irritated people can get with me. 606 00:52:39.039 --> 00:52:44.320 I make questions to understand so that I can project it in my head properly 607 00:52:44.880 --> 00:52:49.159 and that we can have a real conversation because I understand much like the other 608 00:52:49.199 --> 00:52:52.960 gentleman said, is I can't understand his sighting, but if he answers my 609 00:52:53.079 --> 00:52:58.159 questions and we have a real dialogue, I have a better chance of trying 610 00:52:58.280 --> 00:53:04.280 to empathy. Yeah. And that's where I think the skepticism comes out in 611 00:53:04.400 --> 00:53:07.440 me multiple times, where people go, well, you just don't believe. 612 00:53:08.119 --> 00:53:14.800 I don't believe. I don't believe I have enough information to understand what you 613 00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:19.960 saw so that I can believe in you. And that's a good point. 614 00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:27.599 Jesus, you're a baker. I love it. So. The other thing 615 00:53:27.679 --> 00:53:30.679 too, that that change brought up to is when we're when we're going in, 616 00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:35.599 we want to keep our questions, uh open questions. We don't want 617 00:53:35.639 --> 00:53:40.239 to lead to a leading question such as you know, was it you know? 618 00:53:40.599 --> 00:53:44.039 Are you sure it wasn't over six feet tall? Are you sure it 619 00:53:44.079 --> 00:53:50.079 wasn't uh you know this, or you know where you're you're actually planning suggestions 620 00:53:50.199 --> 00:53:57.559 into the into the witness. And I do see a lot of researchers sometimes 621 00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:02.039 doing that. I've seen that on on some YouTube videos, and all that's 622 00:54:02.079 --> 00:54:08.960 doing is just it's you know, almost fabricating a new memory, you know, 623 00:54:09.159 --> 00:54:14.920 basically for that person if you like James. You know if the if 624 00:54:14.920 --> 00:54:17.760 the tape said that, you know it was messed up and it was a 625 00:54:17.840 --> 00:54:22.840 seven there instead of a six, you know, would you and they said 626 00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:25.119 it was up here at the seven or you know, can you confirm it 627 00:54:25.199 --> 00:54:30.239 was the seven? You would think that that person was seven feet tall? 628 00:54:30.280 --> 00:54:34.400 Right? And also the fact is is like when when I had to go 629 00:54:34.480 --> 00:54:37.760 to court, the DA's like, I just want you to tell the story, 630 00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:38.480 and he's like, and I was like, don't you want to go 631 00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:40.519 over? I said, no, I don't want to taint what you're gonna 632 00:54:40.519 --> 00:54:44.639 say. We know what you said in the incident. We know what he 633 00:54:44.679 --> 00:54:47.400 said. And honestly, I never had to go to court because they had 634 00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:52.519 so much evidence on this guy from the three different stores he roped that his 635 00:54:52.639 --> 00:54:57.679 buddy turned him in because he was drunk and was deceating burritos. Didn't realize 636 00:54:57.679 --> 00:55:00.199 what was going on. He was just hanging with his body. It's a 637 00:55:00.199 --> 00:55:04.679 whole story. I think I've told pork of this one, but for the 638 00:55:04.719 --> 00:55:07.360 Patriot, we'll talk about it the night baker. But the fact is, 639 00:55:07.480 --> 00:55:13.239 though, is that that is a that is how it works, you know, 640 00:55:13.360 --> 00:55:16.119 with this kind of investigation like the other day, I'm mowing the lawn 641 00:55:16.199 --> 00:55:22.039 up at the land and I see poop, And I didn't become I didn't 642 00:55:22.039 --> 00:55:23.960 become a poop expert. But in a way, you know, you're kind 643 00:55:23.960 --> 00:55:28.440 of like, okay, dear poop a certain way, rabbit poop a certain 644 00:55:28.440 --> 00:55:30.880 way. This was longer poop. But I'm like, okay, I have 645 00:55:31.119 --> 00:55:37.239 camera wise seen bears. I've also seen cat like creatures that could be a 646 00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:43.519 coyote or a or a bob you know, something in our area. I'm 647 00:55:43.559 --> 00:55:45.039 not sure what the cats are in our or it could just be a fricking 648 00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:50.440 cat, but it didn't look like you know, and the neighbor occasionally watches 649 00:55:50.599 --> 00:55:53.320 his dog in my area. So then I looked at my cameras and I 650 00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:58.639 didn't see anything that coalesced with that. But the fact was is like you 651 00:55:58.679 --> 00:56:02.079 look at your evidence and and you expand, like if I if I see 652 00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:07.880 if I have a track here, okay here, then I want if I 653 00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:08.920 can get my finger to work, right, I have a track here, 654 00:56:09.039 --> 00:56:14.519 Okay, where's the food source, where's the water source? Why would it 655 00:56:14.599 --> 00:56:19.079 be here? What's important that it happened to be traveling through here all the 656 00:56:19.119 --> 00:56:22.920 little questions you would ask, do you know what I mean? And as 657 00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:29.719 long as you can. That's where being scientifically skeptical is not hurting anyone, 658 00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:36.239 it's it's helping. Because that way, then you can say, Okay, 659 00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:40.400 it's a bear, because I've got camera footage of a bear squatting in the 660 00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:45.360 woods, and I got squat that could be bears, you know. But 661 00:56:45.639 --> 00:56:49.239 if you didn't try to figure out what it couldn't have been, then you 662 00:56:49.280 --> 00:56:52.719 could be like, oh, it's gotta be sasquats. You know, you're 663 00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:54.800 in the middle of an urban area with forty cameras that didn't see anything, 664 00:56:54.840 --> 00:56:58.800 but you got a little piece of turd that's gotta be a sasquats. No, 665 00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:06.920 a guy that didn't use a baggy because he's a wow to go after 666 00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:09.920 your neighbor. Thing. Well, listen, now we're we're at the bottom 667 00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:13.320 of the hour and I'm the stand of the show. Guys, we got 668 00:57:13.360 --> 00:57:16.960 to do a part two. Yeah, because we've hit there's we got to 669 00:57:17.159 --> 00:57:22.880 point two. We didn't even hit population size, habitat and hoaxes yet, 670 00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:28.039 so we've got a whole if if you don't mind now, I do want 671 00:57:28.039 --> 00:57:32.360 to plug a Facebook group that me and and Henry both belonged to. I 672 00:57:32.440 --> 00:57:39.440 know some people don't like it, yes, yes, and uh Steven Struffer 673 00:57:39.480 --> 00:57:43.480 we got to get him on the show, uh in one of these days, 674 00:57:44.280 --> 00:57:49.320 because again he would be perfect for this. But it's a coalition for 675 00:57:49.360 --> 00:57:53.239 critical Thinking and Bigfoot research. Uh. Steven Strufford runs a great group, 676 00:57:54.079 --> 00:58:01.840 and I've had some really good discussions on there with people that are one skeptics 677 00:58:02.440 --> 00:58:08.599 and it's uh, you know, I there might be one or two uh 678 00:58:08.679 --> 00:58:12.599 you know, discussions that might get out of hand, but for the most 679 00:58:12.599 --> 00:58:16.760 part, Steven does a great job administering it, you know. And he's 680 00:58:16.920 --> 00:58:23.559 just been uh you know, uh he's like a textbook skeptic, but you 681 00:58:23.599 --> 00:58:29.159 know he's Aaron Willow Creek and uh you know, I mean he has you 682 00:58:29.159 --> 00:58:30.280 know, people coming to him all the time. He's part you know, 683 00:58:30.639 --> 00:58:36.880 he does a lot of work out in Bluff Creek as well. So you 684 00:58:36.920 --> 00:58:42.239 know, like I said, that is an excellent group for for skeptics and 685 00:58:42.280 --> 00:58:47.800 believers alike, and for some very decent discussion in Henry, I I think 686 00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:54.679 I'm hoping uh you know, you agree with that, Oh, absolutely absolutely, 687 00:58:54.719 --> 00:58:58.800 I agree. It's a great group. I just want to leave us 688 00:58:58.840 --> 00:59:02.360 with one thing, Thomas Steinberg. As Thomas Steinberg always says, stick to 689 00:59:02.400 --> 00:59:07.679 the facts and never deviate from the facts. We're gonna end it on that 690 00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:14.199 you're not that one up. Up the link to that what you guys were 691 00:59:14.239 --> 00:59:16.440 talking about, though, and then people could follow it easier. Henry, 692 00:59:16.440 --> 00:59:21.280 I'm so madly. We'll post it in the We'll put it, We'll put 693 00:59:21.280 --> 00:59:24.639 it in the show notes and on the uh in the Facebook promotions when we 694 00:59:24.679 --> 00:59:27.920 do the show. Folks, I want to thank each and every one of 695 00:59:27.920 --> 00:59:30.320 you for tuning in the night, our largest audience tonight, our live viewer, 696 00:59:30.719 --> 00:59:36.079 a majority on x an expanding platform for us where we're being discovered and 697 00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:38.960 folks are listening. We thank you again. Our patroon for as little as 698 00:59:38.960 --> 00:59:43.719 two bucks a months helps us keeps us going, funds the studio and help 699 00:59:43.760 --> 00:59:47.920 support great research. I really enjoyed the conversation tonight, guys. You all 700 00:59:47.960 --> 00:59:52.280 were wonderful. Henry. Take us out with that beautiful, beautiful phrase, 701 00:59:54.519 --> 00:59:58.559 you'll be good. It'd be good at it, and that's where we're at. 702 00:59:58.559 --> 01:00:06.320 We'll see you next week. Folks. You've been listening to Sasquatch Experience. 703 01:00:06.559 --> 01:00:09.880 Please rate interview where this podcast has been consumed. To share your experience, 704 01:00:10.079 --> 01:00:15.199 visit us on Facebook, our website, or email us info at Sasquatchexperience 705 01:00:15.239 --> 01:00:19.239 dot com. Keep on squatching