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giving everyone. Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience. I'm shot. I'm shot in
the fork chop forker. That's vance Nesbitt, that's Henry May, James Baker
down to the bottom, and Matt Arner rounding out our crew. And tonight,
as you can see episode one hundred and seven, skeptically speaking, we're
gonna take the skeptical position tonight, folks. No, you don't need the
Kama Sutra for that one, but we're going to talk about gonna give a
view, but you may learn one. That's that's foul and folks. That's
James Baker. Good evening, everybody, and welcome to the show. Guys.
It's been a couple of weeks. How the hell are you good?
You're good? Birthday, I saw dinosaurs. Henry didn't die by by hurricane
or tornado or southern disaster. Henry, what were you saying? You you
were going to say something there and Baker stepped on you big. It's been
cooler here lately. Yeah, that's nice for the residents of Mississippi. Mm
hm. And it's good that you're here with us. Tonight, very nice.
We are having a little issue. I'll say it. It's on my
end with whatever's going on with the Internet. It's affecting me, which will
affect the other house. So I apologize in advance, but we will press
on. Guys. Just a few housekeeping notes. We got a hell of
a lot of events coming up in the next couple weeks. For instance,
this weekend, believe it or not, Pokatella, Idaho, July twenty sixth
to the twenty seventh sasquatchprints dot com presents the Bigfoot Rendezvous. Go to squatchprints
dot com or call two zero eight two five one two zero zero five for
tickets and information. Great speakers such as doctor Jeff Meldrum, Mark Marcel from
the Ape Canyon and more. Thirty bucks is two days and it's a great
event coming up. Again, like I said, this weekend, Pokatella,
Idaho Vance, anything you want to add on that, because I know you've
been promoting it pretty heavy. No, I've got promotions coming up on our
news break, so and uh, you know, we'll just pat Eric Altman
on the back and keep that one going absolutely. And then of course we
are just a couple weeks away from the second annual Central Pennsylvania Bigfoot and Cryptid
Festival. Festival held on August third in Elysburg, Pennsylvania Memorial Park Avenue with
many vendors and speakers. The festival's free speakers are ten dollars and it's limited
to two hundred and fifty tickets. Get them today. Go to Central Pa
Bigfoot dot com, Orgott Knockers dot org for more information. And I'm understanding
Dvancegott Knockers dot org is back up and running. Yay for the show?
Yeay, Oh, it's been something else. I'm sorry I got a little
bit of a pause there because I just used a great amount of wind to
promote these events. But guys, you want to prevent you want to promote
your event on our show, Email us info at Sasquatch Experience dot com Vance
and I'll make sure they get hit to the air. Matt, how have
you been. You've been the one that's been a little bit more absent than
most. You've been out and about doing things. How's life treating your brother?
It's treating me pretty good. Yeah, I've been trying to get up
the mountains. We were just up in Elk County over the weekend for the
yard sale, and we were trying to trying to get some uh, you
know, people to talk about bigfoot up there. But a lot of people
though, were just tight lipped. Right now so right now is not the
best time to be trouncing in the woods up there, thanks to all the
rattlesnakes and everything else that are going on up there. But but you know,
we're going to be out in the woods very soon, so look forward
to it, Steve. We don't condone anybody missing weddings, but as Baker
says, maybe you'll catch the next one. You know, that's optimism right
there from James Baker. Folks, he's here all week. Tip your waitress.
But we've got a great show planned for you guys today. As I
said at the top, we are j Michael in the house as well.
Jay, how you doing, our friend and go check out the Jay Michael
Show on YouTube and Facebook and everywhere else. I was a guest on there.
It's good program. Jay has been broadcasting longer than I've been on Planet
Earth, and he actually had an interview with one of my favorite actors,
Peter Jurassic on the program. So go take a listen to the Jay Michael
Show on Facebook YouTube wherever you can stream. He's there. Like us,
we're streaming everywhere. Yeah, we're streaming, all right. So guys,
this is what spurred the interest in this converse. For me, I've been
kind of Facebook lurking a lot lately, just going through the different and we've
got Lori, our good Patreon supporter, Lourie. Thanks for joining us love
if we appreciate you being here. I've been trolling around on the Facebook groups
and we the Bigfoot community in a whole, really getting slammed for our lack
of skepticism. And I think we've all had this conversation with one another about
how, at times it appears the inmates are running the asylum, that we
could use a dose of skepticism and critical thinking. And it's getting to the
point now where you know, we're not having a lot of allies out there
across the aisle, and you know, this isn't even a political game.
This is a Bigfoot game. But we can't just seem to get people to,
you know, think a little harder about not just the existence of Bigfoot,
but evidence, photographs, videos. They're not going out and doing critical
thinking. They're not going out and chasing down and seeing if anybody's talked about
this stuff before. You know, there's videos that have been popping up.
I was talking to Matt Nappy and from Bigfoot cross Roads. He and I
had a, you know, a very long conversation about people not even just
doing the basic legwork to determine the validity of a photograph or video that you
could tell is not recent, but they've done no historical research on it,
right, and so they prop up and have these arguments, and we spend
time arguing with asshole and idiots who think it's the next great thing to the
Patterson Gimlet film. And the fact of the matter is because we're the old
head and Henry's laughing because you know, because we've probably been part of the
people that have debunked it over the last twenty years. You know, we
know it's not real. However, it's not stopping this wave of maybe it's
it's an enthusiasm, a blind enthusiasm that's just promoting every piece of Bigfoot uh
paraphernalia just popping up on the internet. It's true, there is a there
is a photo that's that's come up again, which has been debunked in the
past, but yet it still comes back up. It's supposed to be a
baby Bigfoot photo. It looks like a stuffed doll. Is it a stuff
doll? Most likely it is a stuffed doll. We got our friend Jeff
Thomas posting in the chat Jeffrey R. Thomas. Of course you can go
check him out also on Facebook. I'm a shameless show, folks. If
we've got our famous friends in here popping in, I'm gonna promote them because
I want to bring up Jeff Thomas after the news break. Okay, he's
gonna have to stick around for that. But going on what you just said,
Henry, Uh, there's again. Okay, I don't have the picture
here, but there is one that this is one of the best photographs of
Bigfoot ever. And it looks like it's sitting with its back to the camera,
leaning on one arm, sitting on the ground. What I clearly see.
No, that's not what that is. That's a bear itching its neck
with its butt in the air, and you see its hind leg, assuming
it's an arm, that is a bear. But you know, there we
go again. No, this is the best. Please is don't call it
the best until there's a definitive evidence that it is the best, and it's
not. Ill, go ahead, bake elga. I think the big problem,
and this is the conversation I have all the time, is people go
out in the woods and they see these things and they must assess it is
that one thing, and they focus on what it has to be, what
the evidence proves right. And I've always said that I believe the stories people
give me unless they start bloating the story. Like I was at the Mothman
presentation. We just talked about Jeffrey Thomas when he's explained to me about his
sighting and he's up on stage explaining he doesn't add fifty items to it.
He's like, I think I saw something. I'm not one hundred percent sure
what it was. If I would have been not alone and that somebody could
have told somebody where I was or made sure that I got back, I
would have ran after this thing. But he didn't say I clearly saw this
thing, and then an alien came down and we almost had a baby that
you know, you know, But here's the thing. Is like, if
you listen to the people like the one thing I hate the word is experts
because if you talk to the people that I respect, and I always respect
people like Lauren Coleman, I know I get crap for that, but Jeff
Meldrum, I respect Cliff bare because when I've talked to the people, I
respect Sean. You know, when I talk to the people, Oh my
god, is that Chaka? Is that Chaka? That's that's the that's the
baby photo lost Chaka. Just let it go, man. But the people
that the people that I talked to at all all these conferences at different spots,
never say they're experts, say that they're learning about something, and they
even admit, you know, I've had conversations and they even admit that they
understand that fifty percent of what they're talking about is guessing and myth. Okay,
they're never they're not saying I'm one hundred percent sure this track is this?
Even like I respect Eric Eric founder really nice tracks. But even him
at the bottom, he said, you know, this has all the telltale
signs, but I want to make sure before I say I've put one hundred
percent of my basket and this must be this right, you know, And
those kind of people I respect compared to the one that's like, oh,
no, it comes over every Tuesday and we have pie. No it doesn't
s Yeah, there are no experts on a thing that doesn't you can't touch,
you know, right, They're they're experts. There are experts in primatology.
There's experts in in biology ecology. Uh, those are experts that help
us in the field. Uh. But there's no one here and no one
on earth right now that you can say is a Bigfoot expert. Uh.
You know, the closest thing you have is you have you know, like
doctor Jeff is studying you know, the anthropology with the with the locomotion of
primates, and that includes a big spectrum of animals. Again primatology could it
does include that. But to say that you're an expert something that has yet
to be proven to exist is a fallacy. At this point, you have
people lending their expertise and the field of study to a subject for scientific purposes,
right, Like, And that's the differentiator. And so when I start
seeing the terms like expert and listen, we've all been on different podcasts where
the host or the promotional people have promoted a Bigfoot expert, Like I can
assure you none of us put that in our bios and we're putting that out
to people to shop around for gigs. It's just something that was, you
know, something done to attract interest. Thing right. It is half the
headlines for bigfoot shows or cla clickbait clickbait now and it's just not something that
you know, I want to partake in and participate in. Kasu Ninja says,
if there was a Jane Goodall equivalent in a big foot field, then
maybe right. And you know that's the problem we do lack, but we
lack a body for one, right. And I think when you start looking
into the skeptical argument, you know there is an importance to skepticism. You
know it. You know it helps advance the knowledge, It challenges assumptions that
are made. It really makes us, you know, push harder to collect
better evidence and think critically. But do you not think there's also a a
subset of skeptics that are just as worse as true believers, yet they're just
so based off their dogma that they won't concede the point. And I'll tell
you I've seen this. I'll see I've seen this firsthand. Over the weekend
and uh, you know, for a lot of groups out there that promote
the skepticism and they talk about you know, you know, there's a lot
of ad hominine attacks that happen to the people that are making these claims on
the on the collective whole of the research. You know, they can't even
make an argument without making it a physical attack. Bigfooters are fat and stupid.
Well, some of us are fat. We like to eat and we
like to take a goat trip, that's right. But some bitch you call
me stupid, I'll kick you in the nuts because I, uh, you'll
see how quick I can lift my fat ass to kick you in the nuts.
Uh. So, you know, just be careful, Like I really
think that that's the fallacy. Like to me, I would be more inclined
to want to talk to skeptics if they could do it without the vitrol,
right right. And you know what a lot of times, Sean, I've
noticed because I out look, I have conversations just with general public. Not
that I do this twenty four to seven, but I'll have a conversation and
I get a skeptic. I learn a lot from the skeptic because they'll throw
me a couple of ideas, going wow, I really never thought of that
aspect of it before. A lot of skeptics say, well, there's no
body, there's no evidence, and nobody's found one yet. I get that
that's that's just kind of the dome covering the entire subject, but some people
have brought up some really interesting points. I'm like, well, I never
thought of that before, and this is why I think the skeptic is really
important in this entire field and research and the discussion that we're having in the
arena of ideas. So what I always believe, and the fact is that
I know that I come off as a skeptic, and I am, but
I'm not. My big concern is is that if if tomorrow they found out
that there was a certain kind of bear that a cleft toe, and only
one and three hundred bears had that cleft toe, and it left a specific
print that we've been looking at for years, okay, and it had it
walked a little bit more on its hind legs because of the way the toe
structure was, okay, and then you know, if we found that bear
existed and we could see it now, if somebody's been following some of the
researchers, you know, they always say that for every three hundred bears,
there's one softquatch. You know. That's where I got the number, you
know. But if you think about it is then you could look at you
could say, Okay, this could be this, or this couldn't be that.
But like if Matt Tomorrow found a track, you want somebody skeptical to
go through it with Matt, and Matt's also going to go through it in
his head, going Okay, this track was here, these are the animals
I know are in the direct area. Yeah, these are the animals that
it could be. These are the animals it definitely couldn't be. And then
he's going to break it down to the most core part to see what it
could be or couldn't be. And then maybe he'll call me and go,
hey, what do you think? And I'll go, well, did you
ask these critical questions too? Or he'll call Sean Okay. But the thing
is it's not I think. Where we get fighting, and we always get
fighting, especially in communities as they are, is when someone attacks the possibility
of your evidence, you take it personally instead of looking at it scientifically.
Like I've never attacked anybody on there, on them personally. I've looked at
what they showed me, and then I told them to stop circling pieces of
paper. Okay, you know, but you and you make a valid point
there. But because it also to the point where there's no unity in what
the accept of accept of evidence is. And then when someone brings us evidence
that's just not good enough and we say that evidence isn't good enough, then
it becomes the or you don't like me, you don't like my evidence,
it's just garbage and I'm stupid. No, nobody said that. What we
said is that this particular evidence that you brought to us is just not good
enough. Does that sting? Absolutely? But does that make it untrue?
No? Does it make it? It makes it, you know, a
fallacy of the scientific process when we're just going to accept anything and everything because
we feel it's evidence, not that it's actual evidence or that it's good enough
to actually do something with. We could go out there and take forty two
hundred impressions that we find in the ground. Matt and I, Matt,
you and I were out in the woods up and we started seeing impressions and
we followed the impressions all the way up until we got to something that we
said, you know what has now translated from an impression in the ground to
a footprints. And our conclusion was this is a bear, yes, and
it's a pretty nice size one. But we could have looked at those footprints
at the beginning and said, oh my god, here we go big footprints
yep, because that's what we wanted them to be. So they can't be
anything else. They have to be bigfoot. And so we we we followed
these We don't follow the footprints. We just take the first two or three
that we see. And if we would have just followed it to the logic
to the conclusion where they stopped, we got to the answer just by following
you know, basic principles. Here here following the eel brick road. You
know, we just had a black bear in central Illinois. Uh. I
can guarantee at some point that's going to happen and there's going to be a
big foot report of tracks in central Illinois. And here there's you know,
uh, the camera traps and the ring doorbell pictures and with this black bear,
they're not common in central Illinois. But you I can guarantee it's gonna
happen. Somebody is going to file a report, and I'm going to keep
my eyes completely peeled and say, yeah, let's go back to the whole
bear thing. That's a good point, you know, And I think I
think, like I said, is where I think we have to draw the
line is look at what you know. You can't be gun ho on both
sides. You have to. Science requires skeptics because otherwise we would be testing
harmful things on us all the time to try to cure some disease and cause
six other ones. Right, you got to have a you got to have
somebody else that goes, no, dude, that won't work. You know,
Hey, let's not let's not shoot heroin into your system and say that'll
fix cancer. Yeah, let's not do that. Okay, let's just not
not make funny, you know, treatment a little bit more enjoyable. But
no, I know what you mean. That's a good point. I mean,
But but you think about it is you always have to have a secondary
group. The one thing I don't like about is, and Sean kind of
brought it up, was is the true believers in the skeptics. If you
believe so much then believe. That's fine. If I don't think you don't
think my evidence is good enough, that's fine, then walk away. If
I think that Bigfoot was never real and it's imaginary and everybody's crazy, then
I need to walk away and let you guys do your own thing. Hey,
you're the one spending the money on trinkets of crap. I can go
over and go, you know, go do something else. But it's the
ones that are variantly like show up at like Ohio Bigfoot and go, oh,
you know why I'm here? This is so stupid. You guys are
idiots. You know what, you paid one hundred and thirty dollars to give
me an opinion. I don't e f and care about. You know.
It's like these people they go. It's like the people go to rallies and
go I hate you, or go to some person's concert that they hate.
I'll take two hundred and twenty five dollars till Taylor Swift she sucked my whatever.
I'm like, so you pack two hundred and twenty five dollars for her
to her later on, she's gonna be, you know, eating lobster and
hanging out on your two hundred and twenty five dollars so you could maybe get
a chance to argue with the great one that you hate. You waste a
lot of time, folks, if you're listening, we are accepting Patreon support
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that right. Man. We do fel like in Palestine, Ohio, oh
ooh. But you know what I think. Though I I've had my own
experiences that have allowed me to craft my viewpoint, I'm still very skeptical about
most of what's fed to me or positioned to me. And what I get
irritated about is this constant, this noodling or needling from skeptics and say we're
not skeptical enough. And I just totally disagree with that. And so like
when we're talking about some of these things, we've been advocates for a long
time for the standard of evidence to be better and for us to be more
selective and to educate ourselves to collect better evidence. We just need folks to
join us from that other side of the table and help us create that.
Right, you know, instead of shooting your mouth off, why don't you
be part of the solution, said part of the problem, right, volunteer
your time and services. Can I interject just a real quick question to the
to the panel here, do you think for each day that goes by in
two weeks from now is going to be a little bit different that? You
know, actual sighting reports become more minimal only because of the fact of our
expansion into these areas and into the research where maybe if the creature is real,
is becoming more and more and more elusive till it's an extinct being at
some point it can only be so elusive. And to the point Baker says,
either it's incredibly smart as abilities that we aren't able to comprehend or detect,
or it doesn't exist, right, And that's a sad realization. Okay,
but you know Baker has said that for years. Yeah, and I
and I agree with the statement that we've been using quite a bit lately.
Uh, think Bigfoot last, mm hmmm mm hmm. What were you thinking
about it? I thought Henry was gonna talk. I didn't want to.
Well, that's the thing I can't take credit for. Think Bigfoot last Shelley
coming to Montana came up with that. I'm just telling him, Oh,
well, I'm so mad here. Let's keep talking, Henry, Well,
I get no, but but yeah, that's that's the thing. You have
to think, Bigfoot last. You can't go out and say, well,
this track is made obviously made by a sasquatch. You have to cast it,
photograph it and send the cast off if you can, or make a
copy of it. Send it doctor Melder and see what he thinks. Right,
Scott posts it was Amy Boo herself described as a hopeful skeptic during a
presentation, and think of what she's doing in the field. It's a really
good point, guy, you Ninja. Should we call it evidence though,
or data? And that's a good point. We probably should call it data
until it's sufficient enough where we could decide it's evidence or somebody decides that it's
evidence quality. J Michael, you have to be skeptical towards your own experience.
One. I agree with that to no end. I think when we
start, when we stop processing and questioning what we experienced, we go into
that danger zone of true believer. And I call that a danger zone because
a true believer the tendency is to stop critically thinking and that everything in anything
is bigfoot and that's not the case. And nine times out of ten,
that becomes where we spend the majority of our time focusing on that bullshit as
opposed to that one percent we need to be out you know that we could
be missing real data right because we're spending time arguing about stuff that we just
know, you know, wanting to believe something in it being in existence are
two distinctly different things. And I just we we have to we have to
be smarter than this, and we have to start coming up with some standards.
There are some great organizations out there, the na b r C,
the NAWAK, you know, the Olympic Project, you know what We're going
to be launching up here in Pennsylvania, Matt with you know, Darby Orcutt.
You know, like there's a lot of people involved in this endeavor now
that are really trying to come up with a new standard. Doug Hichick.
When Legend Meet Science two comes out, there's going to be a whole new
a whole new ways to collect collect this data, collect these samples. That's
just going to be marvelous things that we didn't have ten years ago that how
many of us have taken that time to grow and learn ourselves to be able
to understand and collect and do this this new type of evidence collection, right,
And that's what it's going to come down to, is you're going to
have to you know, because we've had how many conversations with people that they've
spent months, weeks, years in a certain location because they thought they saw
something. And then you you, they show you this bag of evidence,
and you don't want to hurt their feelings because it is their baby. You
call it whatever you want, but it's there. It's there. They've been
believing this for years. They're hyped up, they're excited to show you,
you know, and then you go, well, dude, that's a dog
hare and by the way, that's a circle and a tree stump. You
know, you've been wasting three years of your life when you know maybe you
could look somewhere else, you know, and I can see where it hurts
people. But sometimes sometimes, unfortunately in life, somebody has to explain to
you that you're wasting your time. And it does. You don't have to
be mean about it, but at the same time, you've got to be
realistic, or at least what you've got to do is say that's really nice,
bless your heart, and then move on to somebody else. You know
that way, then you're not wasting your time with that. We're going to
take our break here real quick, guys, but kaiji ninja. Once again,
I think there would be less skeptics if more new data were presented,
not the same stuff such as footprints, hair, audio, et cetera.
We can call that data, but we need something more more than that,
and deactly that's I think that's the bottom line on that. We're gonna take
our mid show break here. Folks. Stick around. You're listening to the
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We'll see in just a few on those folks. Stay care. Like,
one thing I've never understood is like the foot fetish, Like, are
you guys together right here? Yeah? Pelling you guys been together five years?
Wow? Do you ever suck on her feet? Now? Would you
if you had a different girlfriend? Ah? Yes, you know. I
think it might be a cool idea to have a little subgroup here at the
Sasquatch Experience called the Foot Fetish. Maybe that'll be our movie night name the
Foot Fetish is gonna watch a movie. Sean's over here smacking himself in the
head. It's my show, dude. Stop making stuff up. Anyway,
Happy Monday Night to you all. I hope you're having an enriched Monday Night.
In a past week, and I was going through certain newspapers to find
articles, and hey, I came across this from the New York Post last
week and the headline reads, terrified teens spot bigfoot with glowing eyes in a
Louisiana forest. Call nine to one one for rescue now. The article goes
on to say a group of terrified teenagers called police in a panic after they
claimed they ran into a growling, Bigfoot like creature with glowing eyes. Officials
said the recent high school graduates from Huma in southern Louisiana were camping in the
Kisachi National Fest. Kasachi National Force is about one hundred miles northwest of Baton
Rouge when they reported a chilling encounter last week. According to the knacka dish
these big words, boy, I'm telling you nak a dish perish Sheriff's office,
they recalled seeing a large animal that resembled bigfoot shortly after they set up
camp about a mile and a half off the Backbone Trail in southern Nakadish Parish.
According to police, around nine twenty pm on June twenty eighth, one
member of the group, who were all seventeen and eighteen years old, called
nine one one after they reportedly hurt a growl and saw what appeared to be
an animal that had glowing eyes and stood about five feet tall. According to
the Sheriff's office, deputies responded to the scene and walked to the camp site.
Vigilant for any mythological creatures. They followed the sound of the teen's whistles
to the campsite and found the teens frightened but unharmed, and they were safely
escorted out of the forest by deputies. Despite a thorough investigation, deputies were
unable to locate any suspicious activity involving a growling creature with glowing eyes standing five
feet tall. This is not the first bigfoot sighting in the Kasachi National Forests.
Two self proclaimed bigfoot researchers, who only provided their names as tax Law
and Claude to avoid ridicule, claimed in twenty nineteen, they had a visual
and audio evidence of the Cryptid's existence in the dense six hundred thousand acre woods.
When we come back, we'll keep pounting that same thing in your head
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the Bigfoot Bullhorn right here on the Sasquatch Experience, and as always, until
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folks, welcome back Sasquad Experience on Hooker Vance Nez but Henry May,
James Baker and Matt Arner as we've been talking about here, at least for
the last about twenty minutes, we have been talking about the skeptical viewpoint right,
skeptically speaking, and how we need to inject a little bit more skepticism
into what we're doing. But I think again we have to reiterate we're not
talking about those uh, you know, dogmatic you know naysayers. It's you
know, we want people to really truly embrace the skepticism for what it is
and the spirit of skepticism, which is respectfully challenging and critiquing, adding input
and you know, disproving assumptions, not the you know, ad hominine attacks
and the you know, just agnant positions they take where those the firm positions
where it just cannot be. Because I say so, I think that takes
just as much evidence as us, you know, trying to prove his existence.
And then again you have the true believers. While we were on our
little news break there, just catching up with some comments, J Michael,
I know what I saw, but there's no way I can translate that experience
to It's actually a good segue into our next topic. Carleen says, I
think it's the same for everything. A skeptic as a future believer who still
needs to have their questions answered or needs to see more evidence. I don't
want to say a future believer, but as somebody I think who maybe has
the potential to be encouraged and have their mind changed, have their mind changed
by the evidence. Right. So, all very good comments there, but
as Jay says, it's hard for him to translate his experience. Again,
we look at one of the things we tote as the one of the principal
foundations on the existence of bigfoot guys, eyewitness accounts, And Matt, I
really want your input on this because you have a law enforcement background, but
often cited as evidence, but they are accounts are not reliable and therefore not
scientifically scientifically convincing. Human perception is easily fooled, so it's difficult to rely
on what people say they see, especially if they already have belief. So
you're influencing your own, uh, you know, mind of what you've seen.
But you know, then again, when we look at this, you
know, and Matt, I'll let you give you a few viewpoint. We
rely on eye witness testimony a lot in our legal system. We do,
so how do we translate that to some workable, uh, workable piece of
data collection and science. Well, if you have an eye witness for a
crime, the first thing that you need to to you know, to show
is a crime did actually occur. So, uh, the the mini mart
was robbed, you can you know, you can show that the mini mart
was was robbed. There's a Mini mark store and that the person that that
went in, you know, we have an eyewitness that can identify that person.
For the most part, it's a you know, you can say that
we are all human beings, so that we exist. So we know that
a, you know, at the store was robbed and b it was a
human being. For the most part, I've seen some weird things happen,
especially if you're down in Tennessee. I saw bears breaking into cars. But
anyways, you can say that a person, you know was that it was
the you know, person responsible, that suspect, and I'm able to identify
that that person with the sasquatch. We don't know that it exists completely.
We have these eyewitnesses that are coming forward. They're giving excellent, the very
detailed descriptions on what they saw. We're interviewing these people. I'm training in
interviewing interrogation. I'm training the read method of interviewing. I'm very apt on
finding deceptive behavior, and I have seen that in a few eyewitness encounters,
but there are some that I have not. You know, I did not
see that this person was telling the truth. Now, the one thing is,
again you're looking for reception. You know, could have been a bear
walking on its hind legs. That the person saw something large, hairy that
was walking on two legs, that was about seven feet tall. That's always
possibility. And they but if they're giving a detailed description and they're not showing
these deceptive behaviors and they're saying, listen, this thing had a cone shaped
head. It had shoulders, you know, in a chest that was that
had to be you know, at least sixty inches around, if not more.
You know, it had arms that that went down, you know,
past the knees. I was able to see a face. You know,
I didn't see a snout. I saw, I saw a flattened nose.
I saw you know, the green skin. I saw eyes that you know
are in pretty much the same area that we are. It's things like that
that really, you know, open up our mind as to you know,
there must be something strange out there in the woods that people are seeing.
Again, we have the proof on it. Right now, real quick.
I don't mean to step on you, but I want to get this thought
because we're still on this topic. Do you find that when you have a
witness that has so much detail that it's actually concerning, that it raises doubt
and credibility to you when somebody just seems, you know what, man,
they either really had the best you know, ability to digest and take an
information so quickly, or they're really making some they're filling in their own blanks
making well. It's interesting because usually when people have these encounters who are not
the you know there usually a lot of witnesses have some sort of trauma I'm
connected to seeing something like this because they're not expecting to see a seven foot
harry creature across the road in front of them, we're or uh you know,
walk behind them when they're hiking into woods. So so there's there's some
trauma. And usually when there's trauma, what we found is a lot of
times with victims or witnesses, they will occasionally not remember you know, a
specific uh you know, identifiers, you know, with uh say, with
the with the suspect, you know, with the person wearing a hat,
I'm not sure, you know, like you know what what was the person
wearing? You know, I'm not sure. And usually that has a lot
to do with the trauma. And now when we do have somebody that comes
in and says, oh, I even saw the wrinkles, you know it
it had you know, this salt and pepper hair and it you know,
its hands went a certain way. You know, either they didn't experience a
lot of trauma or again, there they could be filling in the blanks.
But again, when when we do talk to these people again, we're giving
them, you know, we'll do some baseline questions to see, you know,
what their reactions are and how how they react to to certain questions and
how they answer them. And then well we do see that they're not giving
deceptive behavior when they're trying to you know, again it's uh, you know,
we we do run into that quite a bit. You know. There
seems to be also a point to again, sorry, do you mean to
step on anybody that they're on your to your point, Matt, a sense
of embellishment in order to make the picture bigger of the experience that the person
had to be taken a little bit more seriously. Sure, and so there
is a slight sense of embellishment of well, instead of five feet tall,
it was eight feet Well, I'll tell you my biggest and you know,
I do keep an open mind, but one of my my biggest complaints I
guess us about the bigfoot community is the size of these things. And uh,
you know, they'll you know, they always do the tree measurement,
you know, and well did it go up to this branch? And a
lot of people again, when you're in a fearful situation and you're seeing something
that you you've never seen before and you were told doesn't exist, and and
they see something peeking behind the tree or or over by the tree, they're
going to make it look a lot bigger than what it actually was. And
yes, we're getting some big footprints, but uh, you know, really
from some collective data that I'm getting is, especially in Pennsylvania, we're not
looking at you know, eight or nine foot tall creatures. We're looking at
six to seven foot tall creatures, you know, And uh yeah, yeah,
well, and and again you know, we even have you know,
the little people was at the altbut which I think it's called Yeah, so
so again, you know, we're you know, I think when when people
come in, oh my god, it was ten foot high. You look
at that, and you look at when people talk about bears, And I
always use bears as a good example. I live in an area. I
mean, granted, I could be sitting here right now and a bear can
climb into my backyard because they're the mountains right behind us, and the bears
are out all the time. But if no one's as familiar with the bears,
are going to think, oh my god, that bear that just you
know, walk down the street. It has to be you know, four
hundred five hundred pounds. Well I saw the video, you know because on
my ring doorbell where I saw the picture that the neighborhook and you know what,
that's only like one hundred and fifty pounds bear. You know. So
when people will, especially when they're fearful of something, they're going to make
it look bigger. They're going to make it seem, you know, meaner
than what it actually is my own size and weight. Right, So I
want to go back to your whole mini mart experience. So I used to
work at a mini Martin got rocked. It was a two minute experience,
and I can explain detailed what happened and things like that. So I tell
the police what I remember, and then this is where this is now.
They were trying to they were drunk and trying to steal from me, and
they wanted smokes, and it's a whole thing. But I they left,
I explained how there was no weapon involved. This happened here, you know,
and then the police asked me follow up questions and then they see us
side basically like there was a camera behind me. Hey, the door as
a thing on it that says, hey, this is six feet, this
is seven feet, this is four feet. Which one did they fall in?
What did they look like? What were they approximately wearing this' and this?
But like and that's where I think sometimes we get it's not as much
you're being skeptical. You want to get the whole picture because they can be
the guy. When they caught the guy at the next convenience store trying to
rob that guy, which was like ten minutes away from my store. My
information made it easier for them to catch him while he was trying to do
it to the next store. But the fact was is that the police asking
me the extra questions, checking to make sure I was saying things, saying
what I thought, to look at the camera to shay, hey, you
notice this tape is here. Some training I got as being an associate said
hey, by the way, if you're ever robbed one, don't fight him,
dude, don't leave the store. Three give him you know, Like
we had a list of rules, and you know that helped me. And
I'll say, survive the experience. And like, you have people that are
seeing this thing and they're not they're not trained to see this thing. They're
not they don't have the base training I had. But also is sometimes they
feel either ashamed or they're on edge when you start breaking down what they saw
by questioning it not you're not questioning in a negative way. You're questioning it
to understand. And if worker has worked with me for years and he knows
on the other side of this coin how irritated people can get with me.
I make questions to understand so that I can project it in my head properly
and that we can have a real conversation because I understand much like the other
gentleman said, is I can't understand his sighting, but if he answers my
questions and we have a real dialogue, I have a better chance of trying
to empathy. Yeah. And that's where I think the skepticism comes out in
me multiple times, where people go, well, you just don't believe.
I don't believe. I don't believe I have enough information to understand what you
saw so that I can believe in you. And that's a good point.
Jesus, you're a baker. I love it. So. The other thing
too, that that change brought up to is when we're when we're going in,
we want to keep our questions, uh open questions. We don't want
to lead to a leading question such as you know, was it you know?
Are you sure it wasn't over six feet tall? Are you sure it
wasn't uh you know this, or you know where you're you're actually planning suggestions
into the into the witness. And I do see a lot of researchers sometimes
doing that. I've seen that on on some YouTube videos, and all that's
doing is just it's you know, almost fabricating a new memory, you know,
basically for that person if you like James. You know if the if
the tape said that, you know it was messed up and it was a
seven there instead of a six, you know, would you and they said
it was up here at the seven or you know, can you confirm it
was the seven? You would think that that person was seven feet tall?
Right? And also the fact is is like when when I had to go
to court, the DA's like, I just want you to tell the story,
and he's like, and I was like, don't you want to go
over? I said, no, I don't want to taint what you're gonna
say. We know what you said in the incident. We know what he
said. And honestly, I never had to go to court because they had
so much evidence on this guy from the three different stores he roped that his
buddy turned him in because he was drunk and was deceating burritos. Didn't realize
what was going on. He was just hanging with his body. It's a
whole story. I think I've told pork of this one, but for the
Patriot, we'll talk about it the night baker. But the fact is,
though, is that that is a that is how it works, you know,
with this kind of investigation like the other day, I'm mowing the lawn
up at the land and I see poop, And I didn't become I didn't
become a poop expert. But in a way, you know, you're kind
of like, okay, dear poop a certain way, rabbit poop a certain
way. This was longer poop. But I'm like, okay, I have
camera wise seen bears. I've also seen cat like creatures that could be a
coyote or a or a bob you know, something in our area. I'm
not sure what the cats are in our or it could just be a fricking
cat, but it didn't look like you know, and the neighbor occasionally watches
his dog in my area. So then I looked at my cameras and I
didn't see anything that coalesced with that. But the fact was is like you
look at your evidence and and you expand, like if I if I see
if I have a track here, okay here, then I want if I
can get my finger to work, right, I have a track here,
Okay, where's the food source, where's the water source? Why would it
be here? What's important that it happened to be traveling through here all the
little questions you would ask, do you know what I mean? And as
long as you can. That's where being scientifically skeptical is not hurting anyone,
it's it's helping. Because that way, then you can say, Okay,
it's a bear, because I've got camera footage of a bear squatting in the
woods, and I got squat that could be bears, you know. But
if you didn't try to figure out what it couldn't have been, then you
could be like, oh, it's gotta be sasquats. You know, you're
in the middle of an urban area with forty cameras that didn't see anything,
but you got a little piece of turd that's gotta be a sasquats. No,
a guy that didn't use a baggy because he's a wow to go after
your neighbor. Thing. Well, listen, now we're we're at the bottom
of the hour and I'm the stand of the show. Guys, we got
to do a part two. Yeah, because we've hit there's we got to
point two. We didn't even hit population size, habitat and hoaxes yet,
so we've got a whole if if you don't mind now, I do want
to plug a Facebook group that me and and Henry both belonged to. I
know some people don't like it, yes, yes, and uh Steven Struffer
we got to get him on the show, uh in one of these days,
because again he would be perfect for this. But it's a coalition for
critical Thinking and Bigfoot research. Uh. Steven Strufford runs a great group,
and I've had some really good discussions on there with people that are one skeptics
and it's uh, you know, I there might be one or two uh
you know, discussions that might get out of hand, but for the most
part, Steven does a great job administering it, you know. And he's
just been uh you know, uh he's like a textbook skeptic, but you
know he's Aaron Willow Creek and uh you know, I mean he has you
know, people coming to him all the time. He's part you know,
he does a lot of work out in Bluff Creek as well. So you
know, like I said, that is an excellent group for for skeptics and
believers alike, and for some very decent discussion in Henry, I I think
I'm hoping uh you know, you agree with that, Oh, absolutely absolutely,
I agree. It's a great group. I just want to leave us
with one thing, Thomas Steinberg. As Thomas Steinberg always says, stick to
the facts and never deviate from the facts. We're gonna end it on that
you're not that one up. Up the link to that what you guys were
talking about, though, and then people could follow it easier. Henry,
I'm so madly. We'll post it in the We'll put it, We'll put
it in the show notes and on the uh in the Facebook promotions when we
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