WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.520 --> 00:00:03.680 If you've been told to pull up your socks, then make sure it's a 2 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:09.240 pair of TNT socks. The TNT shop is now open at TNT Radio dot 3 00:00:09.279 --> 00:00:16.800 Live. Patrick Henningson and TNT All right, folks, welcome back, welcome 4 00:00:16.800 --> 00:00:20.120 back, We're now we're number two. Thank you for rejoining us. Thank 5 00:00:20.160 --> 00:00:25.359 you very much to international human rights lawyer Arnold Devilay in the previous segment, 6 00:00:25.440 --> 00:00:30.440 really kind of lifting the lid on this whole Nazi pedigree in Canada, and 7 00:00:30.600 --> 00:00:34.200 it goes way back. There's a lot of detail. There will be packaging 8 00:00:34.200 --> 00:00:38.240 and featuring that interview later in the week at twenty first Century Wire, so 9 00:00:38.359 --> 00:00:41.880 look out for that. Hello to everybody in the TNT chat room. I 10 00:00:41.880 --> 00:00:45.880 hope you guys are doing great today. I'll be interacting with you momentarily, 11 00:00:46.000 --> 00:00:49.960 but before I get there, I want to welcome onto the stage our next 12 00:00:50.039 --> 00:00:54.399 guest. He is a best selling author. His name is Jay Dyer and 13 00:00:54.520 --> 00:00:59.320 his website is Jay's Analysis. Also author of many books. Now we'll have 14 00:00:59.399 --> 00:01:03.000 an opportunity need to hear about those titles at the end of the segment, 15 00:01:03.399 --> 00:01:06.560 but he's on the line right now from the United States. Jay, how 16 00:01:06.599 --> 00:01:10.040 are you Joan mall Patrick. Thank you for having me. Bad glad to 17 00:01:10.079 --> 00:01:11.840 be here with you. No great to have you, Jay, And I'm 18 00:01:11.879 --> 00:01:19.480 sure you're watching with great interest and maybe some amusement at this sort of the 19 00:01:19.519 --> 00:01:26.719 political folly that just continues to unfold, and looking at the election cycle that's 20 00:01:26.760 --> 00:01:30.959 coming in twenty twenty four, it seems Jay that it's very likely, looking 21 00:01:32.000 --> 00:01:36.319 at the media reporting the narratives, the Democrats are very much going to be 22 00:01:36.400 --> 00:01:38.519 run. If Trump is running, they're going to be running on January sixth, 23 00:01:38.959 --> 00:01:42.159 and so we can't have him in an office anymore. He tried to 24 00:01:42.159 --> 00:01:47.040 overthrow the government January sixth, et cetera, et cetera. You know the 25 00:01:47.079 --> 00:01:53.519 script by now, But this is interesting how January sixth has been weaponized and 26 00:01:53.640 --> 00:02:00.319 so effectively, And it does draw some historical compare arrisons, and I want 27 00:02:00.319 --> 00:02:06.000 to talk to you about that. Plus just the level of co intel pro 28 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:09.280 now through events like this, it's it's kind of reached a whole new level. 29 00:02:09.319 --> 00:02:14.000 I thought this was a trend, a deep state trend that might kind 30 00:02:14.039 --> 00:02:16.639 of maybe you know, die on the vine because of all, you know, 31 00:02:16.719 --> 00:02:21.080 social media and everything's so transparent now. But it seems to have gone 32 00:02:21.080 --> 00:02:23.639 the other way. Jay, there seems to be more co intel pro more 33 00:02:23.840 --> 00:02:31.159 LARPing with federal informants and various shady actors playing these roles in public. So 34 00:02:31.199 --> 00:02:35.120 I want to talk to you about that as well. But on the January 35 00:02:35.199 --> 00:02:39.879 sixth front and just look putting this into historical context, what are your thoughts 36 00:02:39.919 --> 00:02:46.120 on this? I think too. To me, it always was suspicious. 37 00:02:46.159 --> 00:02:52.919 It looked like something that would be just perfect for the kind of operation that 38 00:02:52.960 --> 00:02:57.360 apparently they did, which was a kind of trap that was set for, 39 00:02:57.759 --> 00:03:00.520 uh, you know, the patriot crowd. We know that for many many 40 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:05.879 years one of the examples of co and tell that people have forgotten about his 41 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:12.039 pat con, which is the the right wing fundamentalist arm of this strategy, 42 00:03:12.159 --> 00:03:16.159 where you really set up and weaponize these different groups, these different sects. 43 00:03:16.759 --> 00:03:22.599 Some of these you could think of things like Timothy McVay and Ellerheim City which 44 00:03:22.639 --> 00:03:27.759 was run by Feds. You could think of situations like Christian identity movements. 45 00:03:27.800 --> 00:03:30.439 I think Elahim City was a version of that, and those are always really 46 00:03:31.159 --> 00:03:37.520 ripe for honey trap, you know, honey honeypot type situations. I don't 47 00:03:37.520 --> 00:03:42.960 know about honey traps. They are always really ripe for honey trap. Uh, 48 00:03:43.159 --> 00:03:46.280 you know, honey honeypot type situations. I don't know about honey traps. 49 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:49.639 Don't think it's any good look at women amongst them, but they're all 50 00:03:49.680 --> 00:03:53.639 pretty ghastly. But can we think back to again, you know Bo Bow 51 00:03:53.759 --> 00:03:57.439 Grits Grits or whatever his name was. He was one of the early pat 52 00:03:57.520 --> 00:04:00.000 con guys that was really you know, he wou put on this costume of 53 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:05.000 fifty medals that he had won in Vietnam or whatever. It was all very 54 00:04:05.080 --> 00:04:10.719 you know, cartoonish and larpie and it was always you know, I think 55 00:04:10.719 --> 00:04:14.759 in that situation that was sort of a QAnon before QAnon, right where you 56 00:04:14.840 --> 00:04:17.720 had this idea that there was the the white hats in the system that we're 57 00:04:17.720 --> 00:04:23.240 working secretly to to save everybody. And then you know, QAnon played a 58 00:04:23.319 --> 00:04:27.920 key role in the January sixth event, which you know, pretty obvious to 59 00:04:28.040 --> 00:04:31.120 me and I'm sure to you and many others. It was clearly something that 60 00:04:31.240 --> 00:04:35.639 was intended to mislead and dupe people into thinking that you know, if they 61 00:04:35.920 --> 00:04:40.240 went into the Capitol, they could you know, do something set up some 62 00:04:40.319 --> 00:04:43.079 kind of new provisional government. You know, I mean, who knows what 63 00:04:43.160 --> 00:04:46.600 all nonsense to QAnon people were believing and we're being told. But they also 64 00:04:46.600 --> 00:04:50.800 had, as you know, you know, an army of basically provocateurs and 65 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:57.800 and agit prop agitation people in the crowd. Uh, that's all pretty much 66 00:04:57.879 --> 00:05:00.839 come out. I have not seen that footage, but I have a friend 67 00:05:00.879 --> 00:05:05.079 who works with Tucker who has actually seen the entire all of it, so 68 00:05:05.160 --> 00:05:10.279 he had to watch all of it when before Tucker did that special and it 69 00:05:10.360 --> 00:05:13.360 said, you know, it's pretty obvious when you see the totality of the 70 00:05:13.399 --> 00:05:18.240 footage that Tucker had that this was, you know, clearly a staged event 71 00:05:18.319 --> 00:05:21.560 to a large degree. And when you have these mobs of people, you 72 00:05:21.639 --> 00:05:26.040 have you have a spectrum, you have you know, fads running around, 73 00:05:26.120 --> 00:05:30.759 you have kuks, you have clowns, you have agitators, you have people 74 00:05:30.800 --> 00:05:33.120 that are probably not that bright, and then they just sort of go along, 75 00:05:33.160 --> 00:05:36.240 they're coaxed into it, and it becomes, as you said, this 76 00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:41.720 giant spectacle, a new nine to eleven, which is completely ridiculous. But 77 00:05:41.839 --> 00:05:46.160 I thought your parallel to Reichstag is relevant because in the Reichstag event. As 78 00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:50.079 I think you said on your show the other day, they really just burned 79 00:05:50.240 --> 00:05:55.079 a building and then blamed it on a you know, mentally retarded guy that 80 00:05:55.160 --> 00:06:00.759 they said was a communist, and it provided a great pretext for crisis and 81 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:08.439 then emergency powers. And really that's the elite maschinations for all of these events, 82 00:06:08.480 --> 00:06:12.399 right, It's always crisis and then crisis management. You know, brazil 83 00:06:12.399 --> 00:06:15.160 Ski even talked about this a long time ago. Kissinger talks about this, 84 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:17.399 so you know, this is this is their basic game plan of what they 85 00:06:17.439 --> 00:06:24.279 do is in order to remove to move things to the next level of loss 86 00:06:24.319 --> 00:06:29.240 of liberties and loss of personal sovereignty and rights, you need a giant crisis. 87 00:06:29.279 --> 00:06:31.920 The crisis then furthers the end goal that you had from the outset, 88 00:06:31.920 --> 00:06:35.600 and certainly January sixth was was a big part of that. And so no, 89 00:06:35.720 --> 00:06:41.079 I'm not surprised that there. I mean, basically, this is Biden 90 00:06:41.120 --> 00:06:44.720 has made this his entire platform. You know, remember when he stood there 91 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:49.720 with that weird red and black fascist background, and I mean, this is 92 00:06:49.759 --> 00:06:55.759 really and this is all to combat fascism, right, to combat Trump's fascism. 93 00:06:55.839 --> 00:06:59.319 Yeah, that when he launched his campaign, I think it was April 94 00:06:59.680 --> 00:07:05.360 of twenty nineteen he released a video saying and it had this solemn music. 95 00:07:05.439 --> 00:07:09.720 I don't know if you remember seeing it, but and then he's I was 96 00:07:10.040 --> 00:07:14.040 I was ready to retire, and then I was called to bring the save 97 00:07:14.079 --> 00:07:17.759 the soul of our country because Charlotte'sville happened. And that's another one, Jay, 98 00:07:17.879 --> 00:07:23.800 Charlotte's feel very suspect. I don't know if you observed any of that 99 00:07:23.879 --> 00:07:27.839 at all. I do recall it, and I remember watching a lot of 100 00:07:27.920 --> 00:07:30.279 videos and seeing and you know, they got what they needed there with the 101 00:07:31.000 --> 00:07:35.639 unfortunate death of Heather Higher that. You know, this gave the perfect pretexts 102 00:07:35.759 --> 00:07:42.720 that at that time that the dissident right movement could be shut down because it 103 00:07:42.759 --> 00:07:46.800 was now shown to be violent. And as you pointed out, this is 104 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:50.040 the older model of cointelpro If you go back to the Civil rights era, 105 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:57.160 when you had left groups, leftist groups that were how legitimate critiques and concerns, 106 00:07:57.240 --> 00:08:01.959 perhaps anti war, perhaps you know, black panthers, you know these 107 00:08:01.040 --> 00:08:07.360 kinds of groups. What the establishment did was that they would send in people 108 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:11.680 who had the task of radicalizing and really, you don't need a whole lot 109 00:08:11.759 --> 00:08:15.879 it doesn't require you know, people going in and having to blow something up, 110 00:08:15.879 --> 00:08:18.439 although it might I think that that's probably what's going on with with the 111 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:22.319 weather underground situation, but it could be something as innocuous as just getting people 112 00:08:22.360 --> 00:08:28.720 to march with their guns on display, and so the abound format. Richard 113 00:08:28.720 --> 00:08:33.000 Ioki got the Black Panthers to do that, and that successfully, you know, 114 00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:39.879 basically emasculated them from having any power influence because people then saw the pictures 115 00:08:39.919 --> 00:08:41.440 of all they're a radical group and they're you know, marching on the street 116 00:08:41.480 --> 00:08:46.519 ready to kill everybody. Now that doesn't mean that I agree with any of 117 00:08:46.559 --> 00:08:50.200 the necessary necessarily with any of these positions. It's just that these groups are 118 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:52.399 very useful, as you you know, you know this from you know, 119 00:08:52.639 --> 00:08:58.720 we went and looked at investigated the Bundy event and we saw a very similar 120 00:08:58.759 --> 00:09:03.039 pattern there of agitators and weirdos and creeps running around and it's sort of acting 121 00:09:03.080 --> 00:09:07.639 foolish and trying to get people to do stupid things. And it's a very 122 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:11.080 basic strategy, but it's very real. And so that's what they did in 123 00:09:11.159 --> 00:09:16.039 the in the in the sixties of the contal the student movements, get them 124 00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:20.360 to act stupid and radical. Then then you can destroy their public image. 125 00:09:20.679 --> 00:09:24.879 And it's not any different for what the establishment does now with the right wing 126 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:26.120 groups. And they did it, and then they did the same thing with 127 00:09:26.200 --> 00:09:31.600 Islamic groups. You know, we think about the newburg Sting documentary where they 128 00:09:31.679 --> 00:09:35.279 created a fake mosque and you know, had brought in this looks like a 129 00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:39.879 CIA guy to run the whole thing and get everybody thinking they're going to blow 130 00:09:39.960 --> 00:09:43.320 up a military base, just really ridiculous plans. But oh and then the 131 00:09:43.399 --> 00:09:46.679 establishment comes to the rescue, which was the plan the entire time. So 132 00:09:46.960 --> 00:09:50.720 yeah, this is a repeated pattern. And once you see the pattern, 133 00:09:50.759 --> 00:09:54.399 it's pretty obvious. And I think that it was probably going on at Charlottesville 134 00:09:54.399 --> 00:09:58.679 as well. Yeah, reichstat I think the name of the German communist was 135 00:10:00.279 --> 00:10:05.840 Marinus Vanderloube and apparently, yeah, mentally disabled. And you know what's interesting, 136 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:09.639 you mentioned Charlottesville had just a fun fact here, not fun, horrific 137 00:10:09.720 --> 00:10:16.559 fact. Actually James Field, who was tried and convicted for the murder of 138 00:10:18.360 --> 00:10:24.039 Heather Higher in Charlottesville, there was a lot of information that was not basically 139 00:10:24.080 --> 00:10:28.360 aired during the trial that only came out after it was kept from the Defense 140 00:10:28.440 --> 00:10:33.320 wasn't allowed to air it. And that was James Field. The driver of 141 00:10:33.360 --> 00:10:39.960 that car was on anti psychotropic medication, diagnosed schizophrenic. His mother was a 142 00:10:41.039 --> 00:10:46.559 schizophrenic from the age of six. Okay, I'm always in special sort of 143 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:52.320 class at whatever. So clearly a marginalized individual who was groomed through the sort 144 00:10:52.399 --> 00:10:56.399 of you know, American X type neo Nazi group. With the photograph on 145 00:10:56.440 --> 00:11:01.320 social media, it was all kind of very It all happened almost like in 146 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:07.039 the storybook fashion. And then this happened at Charlotte. I just thought that's 147 00:11:07.159 --> 00:11:11.559 interesting. We're talking about Reichstadt, and there's obviously more more parallels there than 148 00:11:11.600 --> 00:11:16.559 one would care to to notice if you're only just taking a quick plance at 149 00:11:16.600 --> 00:11:20.639 it. But that's kind of horrific really when you start looking at that depth 150 00:11:20.679 --> 00:11:26.759 of it. Yeah, it's very you know, there's no concern for the 151 00:11:26.759 --> 00:11:31.960 cost of human lives or you know, truth has nothing to do with any 152 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:37.600 of that. It's really just politically motivated, pure power politics. And I 153 00:11:37.639 --> 00:11:43.120 did a talk recently on forty plus publicly admitted false flag events, and you 154 00:11:43.120 --> 00:11:46.120 could say, you could you could argue that these are really just a form 155 00:11:46.159 --> 00:11:50.279 of a kind of false flag where you're really just trying to get some juicy 156 00:11:50.399 --> 00:11:56.960 clip or some juicy event that portrays the group that you want to target as 157 00:11:58.000 --> 00:12:01.480 the bad guys. But I mean there's been at least and I mean there's 158 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:03.519 more than in this list, but these are just the publicly admitted ones. 159 00:12:03.720 --> 00:12:05.639 And so this goes all the way back, you know, at least one 160 00:12:05.679 --> 00:12:11.120 hundred years, where you can look to Japan engaging in a false flag to 161 00:12:11.159 --> 00:12:13.200 start wars with China. You can go all the way up through you know, 162 00:12:13.399 --> 00:12:16.840 the British. British were very adept at using false flag events, and 163 00:12:16.879 --> 00:12:22.879 so it's an old strategy. You can just apply the maybe the bigger geopolitical 164 00:12:22.039 --> 00:12:24.759 use of it, you can just apply it on a smaller scale to these 165 00:12:24.840 --> 00:12:28.759 kinds of events where you know, we think back to that I think it's 166 00:12:28.759 --> 00:12:31.919 the two thousand and eight G eight protests and there were cops, you know, 167 00:12:33.240 --> 00:12:37.200 disguised as protesters and then the cops go and they bust out windows and 168 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:41.320 they end up you know, shutting down the protests or the basis on the 169 00:12:41.320 --> 00:12:45.080 basis of what the cops did, or you know, the twenty fourteen my 170 00:12:45.240 --> 00:12:50.919 don You've got people sniping people and then that causes the big hullabaloo and then 171 00:12:50.600 --> 00:12:58.159 it's pinned on the opposition. So this is just a classic military and media 172 00:12:58.240 --> 00:13:01.440 strategies. You can even say it's a it's a media tactic. Yeah. 173 00:13:01.559 --> 00:13:05.600 So you have the false flags. Be interesting to see that list you gave, 174 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:09.919 by the way, that would be quite instructive. So you have the 175 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:15.120 pre war false flags used to trigger for war. That's one type of false 176 00:13:15.120 --> 00:13:20.200 flag. But it seems like the really insidious ones are the domestic ones to 177 00:13:20.480 --> 00:13:26.240 shift power within a country or within Europe for instance. And what comes to 178 00:13:26.320 --> 00:13:31.039 mind there, Jay is Operation Gladio. What are your your thoughts on that 179 00:13:31.120 --> 00:13:37.720 topic. Yeah. I remember discussing Gladio with you, maybe many many years 180 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:39.480 ago, and I was fairly new to the topic back in twenty fourteen. 181 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:46.480 I've been reading a lot more on Gladio of late. There's a really great 182 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:52.120 book by Paul Williams that talks about the history of Gladio and organized crime and 183 00:13:52.159 --> 00:13:56.879 the Vatican and entities like the Jesuits and Opus Day and the Vatican Bank. 184 00:13:56.600 --> 00:14:01.480 It's a great book. I would also have the the Daniel Ganser book that 185 00:14:01.519 --> 00:14:05.120 everybody's probably familiar with, which is kind of a pH d thesis level book 186 00:14:05.159 --> 00:14:09.840 on the history of it, and it's a it's good to tie this into 187 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:15.080 you know, we were talking about these kind of clownish larpie role playing groups. 188 00:14:15.120 --> 00:14:20.440 Well, there was a recent the FBI informant who turns out he was 189 00:14:20.840 --> 00:14:28.000 the guy running the so called neo Nazi organization, the biggest one in America, 190 00:14:28.600 --> 00:14:33.519 and his name was what is that guys? So the group was found 191 00:14:33.519 --> 00:14:39.080 by Cliff Harrington and Robert Brannon in the nineteen in nineteen seventy four, and 192 00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:43.840 it's an offshoot of George Lincoln Rockwell's original American Nazi Party of NAT. By 193 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:46.000 the way, I've read that Rockwell was also I think this is a FED 194 00:14:46.039 --> 00:14:52.639 if I recall, or co opted to some degree. But this more recent 195 00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:58.559 group, it turns out that the Harrington figure was a long time FBI informant. 196 00:15:00.519 --> 00:15:03.720 And that's not any surprise because you know, this is this is just 197 00:15:03.759 --> 00:15:07.799 how this stuff works. And every time we look to these really clownish sort 198 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:11.360 of you know, if you probably saw the Patriot Front people a few months 199 00:15:11.360 --> 00:15:16.679 ago, you know, marching and wearing there they basically look like ANTIFA, 200 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:20.399 but instead of black, you know, they're just decked out in American flags, 201 00:15:20.519 --> 00:15:24.960 right, so very very cartoonist. They all look like buff Feds. 202 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:28.320 They don't look like you know, the Antifas, all these noodle stick people 203 00:15:28.919 --> 00:15:33.440 and then the Patriot Front or all these buff you know, they look like 204 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:39.639 FBI guys or military guys. So it's they're pretty it's pretty transparent when you're 205 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:43.559 aware of this stuff. But these and these groups seem to pop up out 206 00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:46.559 of nowhere. Right. We just saw for example, the bone Head guy, 207 00:15:46.600 --> 00:15:52.200 I think he's bone face guy. Yeah, and that Rachel Blevins did 208 00:15:52.200 --> 00:15:56.039 a good art piece on him, talking about how he's just in there saying, 209 00:15:56.080 --> 00:15:58.759 yeah, the FBI and the CIA, they fly me around to Ukraine 210 00:15:58.799 --> 00:16:02.679 and then they fly me back to or and I run this group. And 211 00:16:02.759 --> 00:16:06.720 so suddenly this group pops up right when, uh, you know, Elon 212 00:16:06.799 --> 00:16:11.240 Musk is said to be creating and causing, you know, Nazi movements to 213 00:16:11.399 --> 00:16:15.759 rise and through through free speech on Twitter or x. But yeah, so 214 00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:19.639 this is again there's a repeated pattern that I know, you know, for 215 00:16:19.720 --> 00:16:23.879 so many years of media coverage. Every time there was somebody who engages in 216 00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:29.000 I don't know, but every time, but almost every time, somebody's engaged 217 00:16:29.080 --> 00:16:33.960 in some wild shooting event or loses their mind and a terror event. Oh, 218 00:16:33.039 --> 00:16:37.279 they just happened to be a long time on the FBI watch list, 219 00:16:37.360 --> 00:16:41.039 the FED watch list, the Foreign intelligence watch list, and well, well 220 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:44.200 we watched them, we were you know, we we we knew what they 221 00:16:44.200 --> 00:16:47.200 were up to, but there's not much we could do. And it's always 222 00:16:47.240 --> 00:16:48.279 something like, well, we don't have the jurisdiction, we don't, we 223 00:16:48.559 --> 00:16:52.759 can't, you know, the laws don't allow us to just to just do 224 00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:56.000 anything. Well, we all know that's a bunch of bunk. And because 225 00:16:56.039 --> 00:17:00.320 these situations are very, very useful, and that's the key to glass ideo 226 00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:06.200 and gladiol really has its origins in paper clip. Ironically, because everybody's talking 227 00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:10.039 about paper clip today because of what you were talking about the first hour, 228 00:17:10.200 --> 00:17:17.400 the Trudeau faux pap going on there and this is now now I noticed operation 229 00:17:17.440 --> 00:17:26.079 of paper clips trending on Twitter and SS was trending last night. Now it's 230 00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:32.160 going to paper clip already. Amazing. Yeah, So basically, the fascinating 231 00:17:32.160 --> 00:17:34.960 element of this is that people don't know in the post war period, uh 232 00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:41.480 Rynard Galen, the famous SS believe it was a general. He had set 233 00:17:41.559 --> 00:17:48.319 up probably one of the most extensive and elaborate and effective spy networks throughout Europe. 234 00:17:49.119 --> 00:17:55.440 And when the Nazis lost basically the OS, the OSS, basically Bill 235 00:17:55.480 --> 00:18:00.160 Donovan and Dullus and Frank Wisner said well, hey, we'll give you clemency 236 00:18:00.759 --> 00:18:04.480 as an individual, but you're going to hand over your entire spy network to 237 00:18:04.599 --> 00:18:11.400 us. So he did that, and then what happened was he got clemency, 238 00:18:11.599 --> 00:18:15.440 and then the CIA based would become to say they basically took over all 239 00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:18.920 of those old Galen networks, and that becomes what we call Galen org. 240 00:18:19.920 --> 00:18:26.920 And then Frank Wisner, who is also the brainchild behind Operation Mockingbird, he 241 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:32.039 sets up what's called the Office of Policy Coordination, which has this innocuous name, 242 00:18:32.119 --> 00:18:37.279 but it's actually the CIA's black opposite division, and so they take over 243 00:18:37.640 --> 00:18:41.279 the these networks. And these networks, by the way, have been set 244 00:18:41.359 --> 00:18:45.799 up also in the Ukraine. So if we're wondering where and why there's all 245 00:18:45.799 --> 00:18:49.720 the Nazis in Ukraine, well this the Galen organization has set up a pretty 246 00:18:49.759 --> 00:18:55.079 extensive network there when you know, the idea was that at that time, 247 00:18:55.119 --> 00:18:59.519 tiny mustache man would come in and he could take over Ukraine and use that 248 00:18:59.599 --> 00:19:04.359 as a bulwark against Russia. So that network though was not just in the 249 00:19:04.480 --> 00:19:08.759 Ukraine or in Germany, it was basically all throughout Europe. And so you 250 00:19:08.839 --> 00:19:14.400 had people in Germany running this network like Franz Ola, Hans Auto. These 251 00:19:14.400 --> 00:19:17.880 are former SS guys. They were all trained by the CIA, and then 252 00:19:17.920 --> 00:19:22.559 they they got money from the CIA. They were again nothing really changed. 253 00:19:22.599 --> 00:19:29.119 They just formed the new Western German intelligence network of the B and D out 254 00:19:29.160 --> 00:19:32.839 of Galen's network. So that I mean, you look up on Wikipedia, 255 00:19:32.920 --> 00:19:38.160 the first head of a German Western intelligence post post World War two was Galen. 256 00:19:38.640 --> 00:19:45.000 So the so called you know Liberal West was really just a bunch of 257 00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:51.279 the same networks putting on a liberal face. And that's why GLADIO was so 258 00:19:51.440 --> 00:19:56.759 successful as a strategy of tension terror operation. And that's what we see these 259 00:19:56.759 --> 00:19:59.720 mass shootings and we would see these big, big terror events and all that. 260 00:19:59.759 --> 00:20:03.960 It really echoes all of the information that was part of GLADIO, which 261 00:20:03.960 --> 00:20:08.200 didn't come out until nineteen ninety one or ninety two, and it's pretty fascinated 262 00:20:08.240 --> 00:20:12.440 because there were there were people at the time who didn't know what it was 263 00:20:12.519 --> 00:20:17.920 called, but that we're writing books in the late eighties and early nineties, 264 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:23.160 and they had already made these connections. The guy that writes they wrote the 265 00:20:23.279 --> 00:20:29.200 original book on the Papacy and the Vatican Bank and this connection the name of 266 00:20:29.240 --> 00:20:33.519 its God's Bank or something like that roversal Calvy story. He didn't know about 267 00:20:33.519 --> 00:20:37.599 Gladio, but he was he was beginning to understand that the Bologna bombing connected 268 00:20:37.799 --> 00:20:41.759 to this network of the strategy of tension people. And then you get nineteen 269 00:20:41.839 --> 00:20:47.200 ninety one or two Committee of three hundred book by doctor John Coleman. The 270 00:20:47.240 --> 00:20:52.920 first two chapters basically talk about Kissinger running these operations in Italy, but he 271 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:56.920 didn't know yet that it was called Gladio. And then when Paul Williams wrote 272 00:20:56.920 --> 00:21:04.599 his book in twenty fifteen, enough information had come out that basically Kissinger was 273 00:21:04.680 --> 00:21:11.279 running especially Gladio in Italy. So this effectively gave the CIA and via Kissinger, 274 00:21:12.240 --> 00:21:17.799 total control of the Italian government. Because Licio Gelli, who was the 275 00:21:17.839 --> 00:21:22.559 headman in Italy for Gladio, the head of the P two Lodge he basically 276 00:21:22.839 --> 00:21:26.359 answered directly to Kissinger. So so, more and more information has come out 277 00:21:26.400 --> 00:21:30.759 that really vindicated a lot of the people writing about this in the late eighties 278 00:21:30.759 --> 00:21:34.960 and early nineties first theorizing about it. A lot of Gancer's book in indicates 279 00:21:36.039 --> 00:21:40.720 this as well, and that all ties into again these these fake fox Nazi 280 00:21:40.839 --> 00:21:42.599 networks, because it's really it's not really any different now. It's the same 281 00:21:44.559 --> 00:21:48.079 power structure, the same networks that are still there, for example in the 282 00:21:48.160 --> 00:21:52.799 Ukraine, that can be utilized and called upon. And so every every time 283 00:21:52.799 --> 00:21:56.359 this, you know, this information comes out in examples like what we just 284 00:21:56.400 --> 00:21:59.200 saw with Trudeau, right, and the media turns around, Oh, there 285 00:21:59.200 --> 00:22:02.759 are no there are no neo Nazis in Ukraine. It doesn't exist, even 286 00:22:02.759 --> 00:22:07.640 though it's like a gigantic portion of Gladio and the Galen organization. You know, 287 00:22:07.680 --> 00:22:11.720 we have people you know clapping these former cheering on former SS individuals. 288 00:22:11.759 --> 00:22:15.119 Well, but it doesn't exist, you see it, There is there are 289 00:22:15.160 --> 00:22:19.920 no Nazis in the Ukraine. Yeah, So as far as Italy goes, 290 00:22:21.000 --> 00:22:23.240 a country like that, I suppose typical for Europe at the time, but 291 00:22:23.960 --> 00:22:30.680 it was the strategy of tension to demonize more of the because obviously there was 292 00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:37.680 some very well established and insurgent communist parties throughout Europe. What was that the 293 00:22:37.720 --> 00:22:42.440 main focus or was there more that was a big part of it. I 294 00:22:42.440 --> 00:22:48.440 think also the CIA had longer designs to really steering use the Vatican down the 295 00:22:48.519 --> 00:22:52.279 road, and that's what we've seen, especially in the last few decades, 296 00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:56.759 because Colby is the first to go. He's the CIA station chief in Italy 297 00:22:56.839 --> 00:23:00.799 before he goes on to run the Phoenix Probe and Vietnam. And when he's 298 00:23:00.799 --> 00:23:04.440 in Italy he's the one that's really brokering the deals with Pious of twelfth to 299 00:23:06.960 --> 00:23:12.039 ensure that if the CIA gives money to the Vatican Bank and helps them essentially 300 00:23:12.079 --> 00:23:18.799 win the elections as you're mentioning there for the Christian Democratic Party versus the communist 301 00:23:19.519 --> 00:23:23.319 Christian Democratic Party, religious becomes kind of an adjunct of the CIA over there, 302 00:23:25.119 --> 00:23:30.119 and they want to ensure that there's not any leftist turn in Europe, 303 00:23:30.200 --> 00:23:36.119 which could then allow for the supposed Soviet Stalinist Soviet invasion of Europe. Right. 304 00:23:36.160 --> 00:23:38.279 So this is, as you know, the just the auspices for wag 305 00:23:38.319 --> 00:23:42.400 Gladio's necessary is that will Stalin could at any moment, you know, infiltrate 306 00:23:42.519 --> 00:23:45.480 or excuse me, invade Europe. So we gotta have these stay behind units. 307 00:23:45.559 --> 00:23:48.279 And they weren't just in Italy or German and they were all throughout Europe. 308 00:23:48.319 --> 00:23:53.200 You had these basically trained black ops cells that could engage in all manner 309 00:23:53.240 --> 00:24:00.440 of sabotage, assassination, false flag, mass shootings, content, all those 310 00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:04.720 things were on the table. And one one famous example that came out was 311 00:24:04.759 --> 00:24:11.599 the Eldamorrow kidnapping and that was that was according to Coleman, and I think 312 00:24:11.720 --> 00:24:15.960 the later information and the Williams book back set up that was run by Kisser. 313 00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:22.720 The Kisser basically was telling Morrow, your your plans for Italy don't align 314 00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:26.079 with our plans for Italy, so uh, either stop or you're gone. 315 00:24:26.519 --> 00:24:30.519 And so what they did was they used one of their fake groups, the 316 00:24:32.400 --> 00:24:36.680 Red Uh, the Red one of the Rebrigads. The Rebrigads were used to 317 00:24:36.799 --> 00:24:42.640 then kidnap and and assassinate Morrow because Morrow had plans that would have actually benefited 318 00:24:42.880 --> 00:24:47.680 the Italians. And so the main, the main issue here is that that's 319 00:24:47.759 --> 00:24:52.720 not what the designs of the Western power elite were at that time for Italy, 320 00:24:52.759 --> 00:24:56.920 they wanted to at least some people theorize that what they wanted to do 321 00:24:56.000 --> 00:25:00.839 was experiment with austerity and collapse in Italy, and so they wanted to see 322 00:25:00.839 --> 00:25:07.240 if they could move Italy into you know, culling and the industrialization. Not 323 00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:11.160 that Italy was a powerhouse of industry, but they tend to for whatever reason, 324 00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:15.839 they want to use state as small nations like that. I think, 325 00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:18.599 you know, look at Kouf. You know, Italy was chosen as kind 326 00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:22.160 of one of the early test beds for rolling out a lot of the COVID 327 00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:26.319 nonsense a couple of years ago. So yeah, definitely, yeah, And 328 00:25:26.359 --> 00:25:30.319 that's I think that's because they had, you know, the West had much 329 00:25:30.359 --> 00:25:33.440 like Germany, you know, post post World War Two, they had significant 330 00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:41.480 sway and almost almost total control of Italian, the Italian government through this secret 331 00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:45.559 you know, Gladiol structure that the Kissinger was running. Yeah, I know, 332 00:25:45.759 --> 00:25:49.799 definitely there's what you call deep state. That's for Italy. There multiple 333 00:25:49.839 --> 00:25:55.680 deep states. I would think between the Church, the factions of the Church, 334 00:25:55.759 --> 00:26:00.640 the Jesuits, the Lodges, plus the intelligence agents. He's plus plus 335 00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:03.400 plus. Uh, there's there's quite a lot there, So, yeah, 336 00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:08.079 that would be the ultimate multi layer cake when you're talking about this, Italy 337 00:26:08.240 --> 00:26:14.680 is definitely one of the big case studies. Yeah, and that's why the 338 00:26:14.799 --> 00:26:18.200 terror was necessary, because it was you know, it was a key element 339 00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:23.559 of destabilization. And yeah, I mean that's that's what the you know, 340 00:26:23.640 --> 00:26:27.559 Gladio doesn't just do that there, It does that in other places, I 341 00:26:27.599 --> 00:26:32.759 think pretty effectively. And most of the Gladio writers, as you know, 342 00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:37.079 they they speculate that or uh, don't of a speculation. They make a 343 00:26:37.079 --> 00:26:44.039 pretty good case that the strategy of tension model was just really copied and pasted. 344 00:26:44.440 --> 00:26:47.160 You could argue that even in Vietnam there was a kind of strategy of 345 00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:51.680 tension techniques that were used with the Phoenix program. Some of the Phoenix Program 346 00:26:51.720 --> 00:26:55.920 people were also involved in Gladiol. I think of people like Colby himself for 347 00:26:55.960 --> 00:27:00.440 example. Colby is again the one that really set up that relation and ship 348 00:27:00.440 --> 00:27:04.079 between the Vatican Bank and the CIA, and I think the deal was after 349 00:27:04.160 --> 00:27:10.480 all of this, there was a huge economic collapse right after all this stuff 350 00:27:10.519 --> 00:27:15.559 came out in Italy about Gladiol, then the mafia superstructure that was in place, 351 00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:18.680 A bunch of them got arrested in the in the early eighties and the 352 00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:23.440 economy collapsed, the bank that these Gladiol banks went under. A bunch of 353 00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:30.640 Vatican connected shell companies went under, and so according to Williams, this allowed 354 00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:34.240 the Western power structure elite to step in and say, hey, we're happy 355 00:27:34.279 --> 00:27:38.759 to bail out your Vatican bank for a few billion dollars. You're going to 356 00:27:38.839 --> 00:27:42.160 do what we did. We want now and this is where you begin to 357 00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:47.400 see according to now, this is fascinating. This is according to both pro 358 00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:56.200 Western CIA writers like John Kaylor's book on the KGB relationship with the Vatican as 359 00:27:56.200 --> 00:28:00.200 well as Paul Williams, very critical of the CIA in the Cold War period 360 00:28:00.319 --> 00:28:07.559 Gladiol but both of them basically vindicate the usage of John Paul the second as 361 00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:11.880 a key CIA figure. And this is why John All the second was pretty 362 00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:19.759 much meeting consistently with both Kissinger and not Colby. Who's who's the other? 363 00:28:21.799 --> 00:28:27.480 The Catholic CIA director just went blank in Casey Colby, kate Lin Casey Yeah, 364 00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:32.759 so uh yeah. John Paul was meeting pretty regularly with Casey and Kissinger 365 00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:37.599 to to basically be used as the symbolic figure in the Cold War, and 366 00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:40.799 this is actually why you see him, you know, in a lot of 367 00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:45.039 these sort of stage publicity photos that the CIA organized to set up to you 368 00:28:45.079 --> 00:28:49.000 know, help sort of further the idea to follow the Wall. And John 369 00:28:49.039 --> 00:28:53.640 Paul's the key symbolic figure that helped in the CIA win the Cold War. 370 00:28:55.160 --> 00:28:57.759 But the reason that that was all, you know, the Pope was so 371 00:28:57.759 --> 00:29:04.319 subservient to all of that was because of this basically Vatican bank takeover and money 372 00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:08.279 that had funneled in from the West from the CIA. No, this is 373 00:29:08.359 --> 00:29:14.519 E're opening up some very interesting segues. Now. I'm with author Jay Dyer 374 00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:19.640 from Jay's Analysis dot com. We're talking about well clandestine subterfuge on a global 375 00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:23.680 level, operation Gladio and more. Look, we're going to take a quick 376 00:29:23.680 --> 00:29:29.240 break here with TNT Today's News Talk, but we will be right back after 377 00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:34.039 these messages, so stay right there. CNT Radio's Jeremy Now and jem warfare. 378 00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:37.960 At least in Brazil. The reason why I sit in not Europe is 379 00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:40.519 because in Europe they don't know what a woman is anymore. Brazil, I 380 00:29:40.599 --> 00:29:44.559 still do, yes still, but wait some more years, it's changing. 381 00:29:44.680 --> 00:29:49.599 They also start changing the language, making it lettins stuff using the suffix a 382 00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:56.279 or women and o or men or masculine words. They would just simply use 383 00:29:56.319 --> 00:30:00.079 an x ever and that's very common already in Mexico, and they're also starting 384 00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:04.759 to do this in Brazil. So Wocas is a big swamp. It's gett 385 00:30:04.759 --> 00:30:08.079 into Brazil as well. But until now, they still know what a woman 386 00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:11.079 is Brazil, which is which is a good thing. Europe they don't. 387 00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:15.160 I'm telling you that you could be a woman. I mean you're probably a 388 00:30:15.160 --> 00:30:18.240 woman in Europe, or you just say hero woman. They have to accept 389 00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:19.759 it. No, not in Africa is about to say we are the last 390 00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:23.119 bastion of hope. When it comes to that, come to Africa and ask 391 00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:26.160 somebody what a woman is and they're just laugh in your face and they don't. 392 00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:30.640 They don't even know what wolcas. If you talk with them about wolkers 393 00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:32.759 and they're like, what the heck and you explain to them, they're like, 394 00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:36.920 what the heck. Oh, it's something their culture will not allow. 395 00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:42.039 Jeremy now Today's news Talk T and T Radio. We've come so far as 396 00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:47.599 a nation, we are the envy of the world and our future is limited 397 00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:52.079 only by our belief in each other. Now we have a choice debate. 398 00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:57.200 Do we give into guilt and division or do we say no, no to 399 00:30:57.279 --> 00:31:03.440 those who want to divide us. I've decided to vote no because the voice 400 00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:08.680 will divide us. No to those people who think all Indigenous Australians think the 401 00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:14.519 same. We are not all the same. And there's a lot of us 402 00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:19.160 original people that are voting no. No to those who want to change the 403 00:31:19.240 --> 00:31:25.559 rule book of the country. Why let them divide us because we are all 404 00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:30.559 Australians. We are one mob. Come on, Australia, let's stay united. 405 00:31:32.039 --> 00:31:37.039 Vote no to the Voice of Division. Authorized by Matthew she In Advanced 406 00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:44.920 Australia, Canberra. This is the Patrick Henningson shell on TNT Radio. All 407 00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:47.400 right, welcome back, Welcome back, leadsure, gentmen, in the final 408 00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:51.920 stretch of the final hour here of this live broadcast on a glorious Monday on 409 00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:56.119 TNT Today's News Talk. I'm your host, Patrick Henningson, pleased to be 410 00:31:56.279 --> 00:32:02.240 joined on the line right now with author, philosopher and really good geopolitical commentator 411 00:32:02.359 --> 00:32:07.359 Jay Dyer is with us from the USA. Right now, Jay, how 412 00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:13.119 are you doing. I'm good. Thanks for asking, Patrick, I'm just 413 00:32:13.160 --> 00:32:15.519 sort of you. We were talking about Francis. I didn't see that Francis 414 00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:21.640 had said, don't stop sending the guns to Zelenski. That's interesting too, 415 00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:24.759 because Francis is always talking about how we need to be disarmed, and he's 416 00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:30.839 supposedly against the death penalty. But but I guess for Zelenski there's an exception. 417 00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:34.519 There's an exemption, there's a dispensation, there's a papal dispensation, and 418 00:32:34.519 --> 00:32:37.400 he can fight, he can have self defense. Yeah, this is the 419 00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:45.359 Jesuit pope here, Pope Francis Burgoglio. I can't pronounce his. Archbishop Vegano 420 00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:52.759 calls him by that name, Brogolio. I can't pronounce it properly. Well, 421 00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:59.000 you know, he's interesting too because he factors somewhat into maybe not directly 422 00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:06.079 Gladio, but all Condor, which was the CIA operations. And I guess 423 00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:09.799 he was in Argentina, right, he was the cardinal from Argentina. Is 424 00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:15.920 that right? Yeah? And so you know Condor had to do with the 425 00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:21.160 CIA support for the right wing operations down there, many of which ended up 426 00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:24.559 being very brutal, and Francis received a lot of criticism when he was elected 427 00:33:25.519 --> 00:33:30.279 to the papacy because of those older connections. My suspicion is that, you 428 00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:37.759 know, as a prominent Jesuit and being in that kind of a role connected 429 00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:45.000 to Operation Condor, he was probably long ago co opted or or you know, 430 00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:47.519 figured out how the world really works from this the band foont of this 431 00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:52.319 power structure. He also had as his mentor. The guy's name escapes me, 432 00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:58.640 but his mentor is really close friends with Cloud Swap. So his mentor, 433 00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:04.759 Yeah, his mentor was a famous liberation theologian who's really good buddies with 434 00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:07.840 with Klaus, and so you know, it's not not to me, it's 435 00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:15.119 not surprising anytime I see Francis really just totally Maybe he really goes the light 436 00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:19.039 years beyond anything that we even saw people like John Paul the Second or Paul 437 00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:21.639 the six. I mean, he's really he takes it to the next level. 438 00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:24.199 I guess I should say. So, I want to ask about this 439 00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:29.440 side of things, you know, the sort of the left, the environmental 440 00:34:29.519 --> 00:34:35.039 movement, the Greens. Normally people are not going to associate this with intelligence 441 00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:37.639 agencies, but if you look at the I believe the work of Daniel Ganzer 442 00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:45.599 with I believe it's NATO's secret armies. In his work he talks about at 443 00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:50.679 that time, the US was trying to get nuclear tipped cruise missiles stationed in 444 00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:54.159 Europe. I think Minuteman missiles, not minute Man, but there's the type 445 00:34:54.159 --> 00:34:59.679 of a cruise missile that had nuclear capabilities to it. And and then the 446 00:34:59.719 --> 00:35:04.320 C and D was was was a big anti nuclear campaign group which kind of 447 00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:10.519 emerged popularity in the seventies and eighties, and so that you also saw the 448 00:35:10.599 --> 00:35:15.280 and that radicalization from other terror activities than bait or mine offers and all these 449 00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:20.440 other groups. Yes, all competing for headlines. This caused it more of 450 00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:27.400 a general clampdown that kept other groups off the street. But then again they 451 00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:30.639 would have had to infiltrate, infiltrate all these other groups as well, just 452 00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:37.199 you know, the the FBI's equivalents in Europe in order to kind of control 453 00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:40.199 them so that they're doing the right thing, so to speak. But what 454 00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:45.400 in terms of that side of the story, and you know, green environmental 455 00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:47.960 groups, nuclear campaigners, what what what are some of the things that you 456 00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:53.159 have learned in that area. Yeah, absolutely no difference. I think the 457 00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:59.679 Bottom Mine Hoff Red Army Faction and the Red Brigades and the Weather Underground. 458 00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:04.840 Interestingly, the more I think about it, there's pretty similar patterns with radical 459 00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:10.360 groups that appear to have, you know, funding from sources that are suspicious, 460 00:36:10.519 --> 00:36:15.760 dodgy, not that concern with environmentalism or liberalism, So you know, 461 00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:19.679 where's this money coming from? You know, these are these are supposedly poor 462 00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:22.679 hippies, you know, people that want to save the earth, tree hugging, 463 00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:27.800 granola eating people. They don't typically have a lot of money and arms 464 00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:34.039 on hand, but lots of these groups end up suddenly having that. And 465 00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:38.159 I did an interview recently with Sammy the Bull. We've been doing several podcasts 466 00:36:38.280 --> 00:36:45.159 and beyond his takes on JFK and Marilyn Monroe and you know, the organized 467 00:36:45.159 --> 00:36:49.960 crime relationships to those events, which he's pretty candid about, not that he 468 00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:53.679 was involved, but that he heard about things and thinks to the organized crime 469 00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:58.880 and the intelligence stages we're working together on those. He also says that he 470 00:36:58.920 --> 00:37:05.320 had spent time in prison with one of the Weather Underground people, and in 471 00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:09.599 that case, the Weather Underground guy told him that he was always mystified by 472 00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:15.199 the fact that you know, people like Bill Ayers were able to escape trouble 473 00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:19.800 go on to become professors, run foundations and write books about a lot a 474 00:37:19.880 --> 00:37:22.800 lot of the you know, the underlings and the dupes that you know that 475 00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:25.920 they took the heat. So they were basically the tad seas I guess for 476 00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:30.840 these kinds of operations. But I was reading about bottom mine Hoff recently and 477 00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:35.840 I didn't realize that. I think they had attempted some kind of prison break 478 00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:39.480 for one of their one of their girls after the so called terror events that 479 00:37:39.480 --> 00:37:47.239 they were engaged in, and that was very similar to the Weather Underground prison 480 00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:53.000 breaking timp CIA CIA operative Timothy Leary out of jail. So if you bomb 481 00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:57.639 the police stations in the jails and trying to break your friends out, I'm 482 00:37:57.639 --> 00:38:00.760 gonna I'm gonna get suspicious. But I think, you know, you start 483 00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:07.880 to see these patterns of the radical groups being used by people who are not 484 00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:10.679 that radical, so they're they're just useful dupes and patsies. Yeah. I 485 00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:15.719 always thought Bill Ayres would have fit the perfect mold for a you know, 486 00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:21.320 covert federal informant or some type of operative. And that's the same Bill airs 487 00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:28.280 if I if I recall paid for Barack Obama's higher education tuition or something like 488 00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:32.519 this. Yeah, they have very close relationship with the Obama's Obama's mother. 489 00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:37.679 So I mean, I'm just saying it's, uh, you know, quite 490 00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:42.159 a network. Well, I think you mentioned many years ago the character of 491 00:38:42.199 --> 00:38:47.519 course smaller in regard to the bottom mine hoffs because here you have this guy 492 00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:52.119 who's this radical leftist, you know, he's a maoist, and then he 493 00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:55.920 becomes suddenly neo Nazi down the road. So you know, these are these 494 00:38:55.960 --> 00:39:01.639 are odd, they're not add if these are suspicious people, but you know, 495 00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:06.800 if they're operating, if they're operating for the establishment, then it makes 496 00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:09.679 perfect sense. So I don't know if that's exactly the case with this guy. 497 00:39:09.679 --> 00:39:15.880 I just think it's interesting that when you look into these guys the things 498 00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:20.239 are involved in assisting in the prison escapes and trying to you know, blow 499 00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:22.280 blow holes in the jail and get people out, and trying to get them 500 00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:29.119 to engage in you know, violent actions. That's typically you know, federal 501 00:39:29.159 --> 00:39:34.480 informants are allowed to do that. In fact, the BBC presenter, I 502 00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:37.760 don't know if he saw this the other day. But I forget the guy's 503 00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:42.400 name, but he's he's a BBC presenter. I guess he's fairly well known. 504 00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:47.480 The environmentalist guy who's saying that it's time for environmentalists to engage in illegal 505 00:39:47.519 --> 00:39:53.119 actions. And he basically says something like, it's not something that I'm feeling 506 00:39:53.159 --> 00:39:58.119 cold too, but maybe you'll cold to it. Right, it's not and 507 00:39:58.159 --> 00:40:00.800 that's not incitement, isn't right? Right? Yeah, he gets away with 508 00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:05.800 that because he's a BBC presenter, but he's have you seen that video? 509 00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:09.719 It's it's pretty comical. No, I please share you with me. I 510 00:40:09.800 --> 00:40:14.079 will. He's reflecting on He's like, we've time and again it's exactly the 511 00:40:14.119 --> 00:40:17.320 same lines that we hear from Greta time and again. We've seen all politicians 512 00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:21.960 won't listen, they won't heat our words, they don't want change, they 513 00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:24.360 don't want to take action on climate. Well, maybe it's time for people 514 00:40:24.400 --> 00:40:29.760 to take illegal action. Not me, but maybe you need to. We're 515 00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:35.800 tired of your empty words. Oh my gosh. Yeah, they love it. 516 00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:40.000 These tropes never go out of style. They're very effective. Yeah. 517 00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:45.239 So yeah, it's they're you're talking about the chameleon, right, Going from 518 00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:51.079 far left suddenly showing up as a Nazi, and the one that comes to 519 00:40:51.119 --> 00:40:53.760 mind, and this is like major black mirror territory we're getting into here. 520 00:40:53.800 --> 00:41:00.239 But Sarah Ashton Cirillo, formerly Michael John Cirillo, the English language spokesperson for 521 00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:07.719 the Ukrainian military who's trans, turned up a couple of years ago trying to 522 00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:14.119 infiltrate the Proud Boys as a trans far right kind of young character or whatever. 523 00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:17.760 Before that, it was a bloke with a wife and kids, and 524 00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:23.039 then shows up in Ukraine as a blonde, as a woman with man boobs, 525 00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:29.599 and you know, a trans spokesperson suddenly wiggles their way into the Ukrainian 526 00:41:29.639 --> 00:41:34.719 Ministry of Information and doing these totally over the top videos. I mean, 527 00:41:34.800 --> 00:41:39.159 it was crazy, and recently got sacked. They finally had to basically let 528 00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:44.559 them go because it was a huge embarrassment and then became an embarrassment for the 529 00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:49.239 State Department. And I'm looking at this thing and this story is crazy. 530 00:41:49.639 --> 00:41:52.239 This is just pure insanity. But what I'm saying, Jay, is that 531 00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:57.960 in the era of social media and the ability to publish these videos and do 532 00:41:58.079 --> 00:42:02.360 all this LARPing on Twitter and these different platforms, This is like next level 533 00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:07.760 stuff compared to that type of activity was, you know, thirty forty fifty 534 00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:10.840 years ago. You might get a couple of headlines in the paper, you 535 00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:15.760 might get a blurry interview with sixty minutes or some deep throat parking garage interview 536 00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:20.800 or whatever. Now it's like all in your face all the time on Instagram 537 00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:27.119 and everything. So this, this Ashton Cirillo phenomenon, to me just typlifies 538 00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:34.039 the total chaotic nature of this sort of LARPing in the twenty first century. 539 00:42:35.119 --> 00:42:38.880 Now, maybe I'm Ada Lue here. Is this the Ukrainian spokesperson that was 540 00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:46.079 talking about the Russian devils need to be crushed? Yes, yeah, American, 541 00:42:46.239 --> 00:42:51.679 Yeah I saw that. Okay, yeah, Yeah. It's bizarre to 542 00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:55.360 me that it's almost like, you know, and then Zelenski wants Marina Ramovich 543 00:42:55.440 --> 00:43:00.480 to be the ambassador I mean for the children. This is for Yeah, 544 00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:06.000 this is just wild. I mean it's maybe there's is there is Are they 545 00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:08.239 insane or is there a method to the sincanty That's what I'm always trying to 546 00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:14.000 figure out, or they're trying to just figure it out themselves and they're just 547 00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:15.920 going for it. But it was. It's interesting that they would choose, 548 00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:23.320 if you believe that this Ashton Cirillo character was is LARPing for the deep state, 549 00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:28.440 that they choose somebody in a protected class, i e. A trans 550 00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:31.599 absolutely so that that looked like that was the angle, and this is how 551 00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:36.559 it was able to kind of persist. And then at some point it reaches 552 00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:42.280 this saturation point and becomes like a massive embarrassment for everybody, and then all 553 00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:45.400 of a sudden, nobody wants to talk about it. It's literally brushed under 554 00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:47.800 the rug. You don't hear their name anymore in any of the press. 555 00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:52.599 So it's like, but but we're seeing you see this time and time again, 556 00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:55.480 So you can't like the prow Boys, Oathkeepers, JA six, A 557 00:43:55.480 --> 00:44:00.960 lot of informants, very high profile, have huge social or media followings, 558 00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:06.280 and yeah, you can't hide or you have to kind of play out your 559 00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:15.360 role digitally as well as for government agencies or whoever you're working for. Yeah, 560 00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:17.039 I think that in a lot of these cases with these groups, the 561 00:44:17.159 --> 00:44:22.960 key element that we have observed over the years is that you want to if 562 00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:29.000 you're the establishment, you want the voice the face of these groups to be 563 00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:36.400 somebody cartoonish and clownish. Right, So what the informant or the provocateur or 564 00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:40.400 the what they want to do is to get the really most radical element of 565 00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:45.800 a group or a sect or a you know, activist collective or whatever. 566 00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:50.199 You want the most radical one to really become the face of it and to 567 00:44:50.679 --> 00:44:52.960 push the envelope to push over to the window that well, everybody else is 568 00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:58.039 not really following the agenda except for this you know, super radical guy. 569 00:44:58.119 --> 00:45:00.679 He's the true believer, and so we've got to match his actions. Maybe 570 00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:06.719 let's make him the vocal frontispiece, the face of the group. And this 571 00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:10.679 functions very well to uh, to control the group. Why they would want 572 00:45:10.760 --> 00:45:15.079 this person to be I think maybe this has to do with the strategy that 573 00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:21.119 they've been using since this war in the Ukraine kicked off, was that let's 574 00:45:21.280 --> 00:45:29.920 paint the Ukraine side as the uh, the rainbow flag and trans side. 575 00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:31.679 If you remember they were they were doing that early on. If you if 576 00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:36.960 you support trans rights, then you're with Zelinsky total. This is the war 577 00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:43.119 of you know, the transvestites versus Putin's fascism, right, they were characterizing 578 00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:45.880 it that way. So maybe they're they're thinking that if they continue to, 579 00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:52.360 uh, you know, make this association, then people in the West will 580 00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:57.760 default to not just siding with Zelinski, because I'm sure they know that this 581 00:45:57.800 --> 00:46:01.639 has a this is a time, This is not gonna last forever, This 582 00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:07.599 conflict will come to an end at some point, but people will have remembered. 583 00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:10.360 You know, when I put out my Ukraine flag out front of my 584 00:46:10.440 --> 00:46:15.280 porch in uh, you know, Tampa, Florida, I was also hoisting 585 00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:19.599 up my Trans flag along with it. And I'm not joking either, Like 586 00:46:19.679 --> 00:46:22.920 when you drive around. We drove through Orlando the other day and we were 587 00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:29.679 drive through different neighborhoods and I noticed quite a few hous not many, but 588 00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:36.159 the houses that had Ukraine flags hoisted up also had Rainbow and Trans flags hoisted 589 00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:39.079 up. So there is this, there is this association in people's minds with 590 00:46:42.159 --> 00:46:46.719 you know, Zelensky somehow represents the trans and gay rights agenda, which I 591 00:46:46.760 --> 00:46:51.960 suppose in a loose way he does, but the two don't really bear any 592 00:46:51.960 --> 00:46:55.119 connection. But they do bear a connection for I think the longer plans of 593 00:46:55.960 --> 00:47:00.320 the deep state. Yeah, that makes sense, and it makes even more 594 00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:06.119 sense that they would put an Ashton Sorillo character into that role to make it 595 00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:09.480 an existential issue, you know, fighting for the existence of that rainbow flag. 596 00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:13.440 Putin wants to snuff all that out, and he wants us all to 597 00:47:13.480 --> 00:47:17.079 be you know, heterosexual, binary, traditional societies. We need to we 598 00:47:17.119 --> 00:47:21.920 need to stop him. Zelenski's our man, and Ashton Sorillo's there to kind 599 00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:24.159 of you know, well, most Americans don't know anything about Ukraine, and 600 00:47:24.199 --> 00:47:28.639 so how do we tie them into having a concern. Oh, we make 601 00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:31.119 it a quote humans, human rights issue. So pick the you know, 602 00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:36.840 the latest cause the lab it's not BLM, it's it's it's trans rights. 603 00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:39.320 So, yeah, that's true, and a lot of antifas supporters, they 604 00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:45.480 will reflexively support Ukraine, it will be pro war, they'll reflectively support. 605 00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:49.000 You can almost predict. That's the scary part. Jay. Now, this 606 00:47:49.239 --> 00:47:54.199 this this social political engineering operation that's been cultivated over the last you know, 607 00:47:54.320 --> 00:48:00.000 twenty to thirty years, has has been very successful. You can almost predict 608 00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:05.960 when you meet someone what they're slate is what their you know, profile pictures 609 00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:08.880 will look like. If you scrolled back on their on their timeline for the 610 00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:13.719 last ten years, you can almost predict what issues they're going to support who 611 00:48:13.719 --> 00:48:17.119 they're you know, like right there, all the current things completely lined up 612 00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:21.559 in it right there, and almost like that's what it has to be. 613 00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:25.760 You have to kind of it here. We're becoming a very tribalistic society in 614 00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:32.239 that sense. Yeah, I think this is an element that people have overlooked, 615 00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:37.000 which is we know about dividing conquer, but dividing conquer is not really 616 00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:44.199 just about uh, you know, racial identity or socioeconomic identity. Right. 617 00:48:44.239 --> 00:48:49.639 The dividing conquer, for example, in classic Marxism is the working class versus 618 00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:57.000 the you know, the bourgeoisie. Now, the that has morphed into identity 619 00:48:57.079 --> 00:49:02.239 politics of every shade of every form, and that would be the It's weird 620 00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:05.920 how they've tied it to flags. You know, there was a Saturn live 621 00:49:05.960 --> 00:49:08.920 skit many years ago though that was pretty funny where Andy Sandberg was just making 622 00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:15.480 fun of different kinds of flags and how everybody's sort of identified with absurd types 623 00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:17.960 of flags, and it was just a really kind of silly, absurdist, 624 00:49:19.320 --> 00:49:22.639 saturate out live skit. But it actually is insightful because what they've done now 625 00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:29.599 is given everybody the ability to choose your own flag. It's almost like a 626 00:49:29.639 --> 00:49:34.199 consumerist commodity. It's completely divorced from you know, who you are as a 627 00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:37.679 person, where you what country you come from, your family, your family's 628 00:49:37.719 --> 00:49:42.440 heritage of religion. That's all kind of been discarded. And now the flags 629 00:49:42.559 --> 00:49:49.199 are in one sense, you could say consumerist identity with Hollywood or Star Wars 630 00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:52.679 or Marvel type nonsense or Disney. But now it's even to you know, 631 00:49:52.760 --> 00:49:57.199 your sexuality, you pick your flag. You know, let's let's make our 632 00:49:57.239 --> 00:50:00.960 own flags at our own will for or whatever identities we make up. And 633 00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:07.000 it's just a perfect kind of not only is an identity, it also allows 634 00:50:07.079 --> 00:50:15.159 for a kind of pseudo self righteousness where you can champion some cause that you 635 00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:19.039 feel as just or you feel as right. And I've had a lot of 636 00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:22.239 debates over the years with all kinds of different people, and in most cases 637 00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:25.320 people won't have any reason or explanation as to why these are just causes. 638 00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:29.800 They just think that it is. They just think that they're right. They've 639 00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:32.480 not put much thought into well, why do I believe that something is right 640 00:50:32.559 --> 00:50:36.519 or wrong? Why do I think this is a just cause? Is it 641 00:50:36.559 --> 00:50:39.639 a just cause? Why are the Fortune one hundred, who you know, 642 00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:45.920 leftist ten years ago thought was the enemy. Now they're the champions of whatever. 643 00:50:46.039 --> 00:50:49.199 You know, the Fortune one hundred tells them to do it, tells 644 00:50:49.199 --> 00:50:51.800 them to put a rainbow flag out of it, tells them to put their 645 00:50:52.239 --> 00:50:55.920 bio as a black square in honor of BLM, which ended up being a 646 00:50:55.960 --> 00:51:00.760 giant fraud, money laundering operation. As ever running, Uh, you just 647 00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:06.880 do it right, you do it because that's how you signify that you you 648 00:51:06.920 --> 00:51:14.559 are a socially just person. So social justice has has replaced the old ideas 649 00:51:14.719 --> 00:51:20.559 of religious justice or objective morality in the sense of you know, people having 650 00:51:20.599 --> 00:51:25.199 a religious perspective. Now the new religion is the civic morality. Social justice, 651 00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:30.159 UH, and identity politics, none of which has any basis, is 652 00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:35.840 all completely arbitrary, completely absurd. It is divorced from reality's postmodern because you 653 00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:38.519 know, you can identify as one thing one minute and change your identity the 654 00:51:38.519 --> 00:51:43.960 next minute, So there's absolutely no connection to reality. And I actually think 655 00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:49.760 this is I think there is evidence from Tavistock and Sri that this is like 656 00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:57.119 an intentional uh. They want to cause mania. So the stabilization isn't just 657 00:51:57.639 --> 00:52:06.400 gladio and bombs and shootings. Decabilization is destabilizing, the demoralizing the population. 658 00:52:07.360 --> 00:52:10.760 Yeah, that's what they call in fifth generation warfare. The exactly the cognitive 659 00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:15.800 infrastructure, yes, which is between your two ears. Yes. Well, 660 00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:22.039 the NATO dog document on Cognitive workers said, much like Klaus said, this 661 00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:28.719 isn't just changing your thought process, This is changing your brain itself. Yeah, 662 00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:34.159 yeah, isn't it. Marshall McLuhan said, the medium is the message, 663 00:52:34.719 --> 00:52:38.519 So you know how the information is being transferred, how it's being handled, 664 00:52:38.800 --> 00:52:45.320 what what platforms you're using that that rewires your brain basically right, and 665 00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:50.760 also to eventually get under the skin and change your very DNA like Klaus said, 666 00:52:51.079 --> 00:52:53.840 yeah, well that's it. That's that's an interesting concept because there's a 667 00:52:53.880 --> 00:53:00.599 whole field of science about DNA being programmed by you, by your will, 668 00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:06.559 whatever direction you're going in your environment in the world, that's going to shape 669 00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:09.320 you know, your teenage which is which is an alternative you could say, 670 00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:14.719 an alternative study of genetics, but it's actually got a lot of traction in 671 00:53:14.800 --> 00:53:19.360 recent years. Epigenetics, i think, is one of the terms that's used 672 00:53:19.360 --> 00:53:22.159 for that. That's really interesting, you say that because there's actually a good 673 00:53:22.159 --> 00:53:25.960 scientific segue to that, So maybe there's there's a lot more there than people 674 00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:31.239 realize. Yeah, I was just looking back at between two ages that resents 675 00:53:31.239 --> 00:53:36.039 getting looked at that in a few years, and within the first fifteen pages 676 00:53:36.320 --> 00:53:40.360 I think it's page fifteen, he talks about that when the technocratic era is 677 00:53:40.440 --> 00:53:45.880 really in place, they will actually alter human biology itself, and so he 678 00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:51.440 kind of hearkens back to Island of Doctor Moreau by H. G. Wells, 679 00:53:51.480 --> 00:53:53.639 and he says that, you know, humans are plastic, they're malleable. 680 00:53:53.679 --> 00:53:57.719 There's no such thing as human nature. And since there's no human nature 681 00:53:57.760 --> 00:54:01.960 and the plasticity a man, he says, yeah, basically, the elite, 682 00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:07.159 the technocratically, we'll be able to mutate man into whatever form they want 683 00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:10.360 to make him, essentially just a sort of malleable cog in the machine. 684 00:54:10.840 --> 00:54:15.480 So it's again one of these things that pretty much in all the global elite 685 00:54:15.480 --> 00:54:17.920 texts that we've lectured through. Yeah, they're pretty consistent about this. Jacque 686 00:54:17.920 --> 00:54:22.400 Atili has a whole chapter about being put into the global brain, Brazilski talking 687 00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:25.079 about it. I mean, they're all pretty consistent with that Klaus in his 688 00:54:25.159 --> 00:54:29.360 twenty eighteen book talks about it. That's what I think. I think. 689 00:54:29.440 --> 00:54:32.320 I think we're suffering from that now as a civilization, that global brain, 690 00:54:32.639 --> 00:54:37.320 global group. Think there's tons of this going on right now where people just 691 00:54:37.639 --> 00:54:43.719 immediately will just fall right into a groove that's already been carved out for them 692 00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:46.599 and without without even being conscious of it. I see this so often now, 693 00:54:46.840 --> 00:54:52.079 how globally not just and that that might explain that all the global crisis 694 00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:57.840 and the global reaction, how efficient it's been hurting the global hurt if you 695 00:54:57.880 --> 00:55:01.119 will. So, I think there's definite more to explore in that area. 696 00:55:01.239 --> 00:55:06.000 Jay. I think this is a rich vein to tap into right here, 697 00:55:06.440 --> 00:55:09.440 and hopefully you'll be doing more of that in your work, and I hope 698 00:55:09.440 --> 00:55:14.400 we can continue this conversation in the future. Before we go, just a 699 00:55:14.400 --> 00:55:16.880 minute left, Jake, give a shout out about your books, where people 700 00:55:16.920 --> 00:55:21.840 can find your material, how they can get engaged with you. Yeah, 701 00:55:21.880 --> 00:55:23.920 you can go to my website Jason Allisons dot com and you can get access 702 00:55:23.960 --> 00:55:28.639 to the archives there for four ninety five a month. You can also get 703 00:55:28.679 --> 00:55:31.400 the books in the shop. My wife's books are also there. I have 704 00:55:31.440 --> 00:55:37.199 a big six hundred page book out with all the geopolitical and theological essays from 705 00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:39.159 the last ten years, all kind of collected in the one book called the 706 00:55:39.159 --> 00:55:43.800 Red Book, and you can find me on Rockkin on Twitter under my name 707 00:55:44.320 --> 00:55:47.679 Jay Dyer. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much, and also thank 708 00:55:47.719 --> 00:55:51.599 you to ar No Devilay. In the first hour, I'm your host, 709 00:55:51.599 --> 00:55:54.360 Patrick henningson top of our news headlines coming up. See you guys tomorrow, 710 00:55:54.440 --> 00:55:58.119 the same time, same place, all the best