WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.439 --> 00:00:08.039 This is the baseline discussing the hot button topics of the NBA. Welcome everybody, 2 00:00:08.119 --> 00:00:12.400 your tune to the baseline Callie Warrenshaw discussing the hot button topics of the 3 00:00:12.679 --> 00:00:18.640 NBA and we are back at it again, another hot and heavy episode that 4 00:00:18.719 --> 00:00:24.879 are covered in edition of the Autopsy Reports NBA Playoff Action. It is crazy 5 00:00:24.960 --> 00:00:30.640 hype as we continue to move forward ever so closer, you know to what 6 00:00:31.000 --> 00:00:33.280 everyone says is, you know, trying to get to the top of the 7 00:00:33.320 --> 00:00:37.280 mountain, right riding space mountain like Rick Flair. One team wants to be 8 00:00:37.320 --> 00:00:42.000 the one hoisting that trophy. And we've been watching some awesome Round one action 9 00:00:42.119 --> 00:00:47.560 of NBA Playoff Basketball, and you accompany that with are coveted autopsy reports. 10 00:00:47.560 --> 00:00:51.039 Man, I mean, it's just a great time to be alive, even 11 00:00:51.079 --> 00:00:54.280 if you're dead. So let me go ahead and roll out the red carpet 12 00:00:54.320 --> 00:00:58.000 to my right hand man's www Dot Shaw Sports Dot epic of Huna P ANDC. 13 00:00:58.159 --> 00:01:00.600 My man, mister Warrenshaw rapping out of fat Lad Florida. What's good, 14 00:01:00.600 --> 00:01:04.239 brother Shaw? I know you have been thoroughly impressed so far with the 15 00:01:04.280 --> 00:01:10.920 first round action of NBA Playoff basketball, and it just gets us all warmed 16 00:01:10.959 --> 00:01:15.920 up and excited for us to do another edition of our autopsy reports. You 17 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:18.519 know what it is, brother, you know you know you know me for 18 00:01:18.599 --> 00:01:22.840 a long time and understand my my understanding and feelings about the game. And 19 00:01:23.359 --> 00:01:26.560 yet again one team just jumping the line here to get on top of our 20 00:01:26.599 --> 00:01:30.799 autopsyport. Couldn't wait for the baseline boys jumping on you know, give us 21 00:01:30.879 --> 00:01:34.480 we don't hand out. We don't hand out tickets, right, we don't 22 00:01:34.480 --> 00:01:38.560 hand out, we don't hand out tickets for autopsies. Right. We might 23 00:01:38.640 --> 00:01:41.719 need to start though. I mean again, it's becoming a pretty popular situation. 24 00:01:41.879 --> 00:01:45.719 So, but the playoffs themselves have been really intriguing, a lot of 25 00:01:45.760 --> 00:01:49.120 injuries affecting a lot of smack talk going on too, So we need to 26 00:01:49.280 --> 00:01:53.120 do some evaluation of ours Talker of the Year conversation as we push things forward. 27 00:01:53.159 --> 00:01:57.400 But the NBA Playoffs have have not under promised and not underdelivered in any 28 00:01:57.400 --> 00:02:00.680 capacity. A lot of intrigue storylines throughout the course of this first round. 29 00:02:00.680 --> 00:02:05.079 And I mean we could we could actually do a show in of itself just 30 00:02:05.439 --> 00:02:07.639 regarding a lot of the first round action. I know, that we have 31 00:02:07.759 --> 00:02:13.159 got a jampacked episode of our coveted autopsy reports. But I quickly want to 32 00:02:13.199 --> 00:02:16.719 just kind of get your take on a couple of highlighted items that clearly you 33 00:02:16.759 --> 00:02:22.000 and I have recognized and maybe our listeners didn't even recognize from what we've seen 34 00:02:22.120 --> 00:02:24.400 already in the first round of the NBA Playoffs. First of all, Shaw 35 00:02:25.120 --> 00:02:30.319 a very interesting point by Doc Rivers, which you know I listen. I 36 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:35.199 gotta give it to Doc Rivers, right, the Philadelphia seventy Sixers went in 37 00:02:35.280 --> 00:02:38.639 and handle business, and they are quickly emerging is becoming one of the most 38 00:02:38.719 --> 00:02:43.560 dangerous teams. All of this is predicated on the health of Joel Embiid indeed, 39 00:02:43.919 --> 00:02:46.599 but us seeing the resurgence of James Harden, the role players for the 40 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:52.080 Philadelphia seventy Sixers. Listen, while everybody is probably still thinking that it's going 41 00:02:52.120 --> 00:02:53.439 to be the Bucks of the Celtics that are going to probably come out of 42 00:02:53.439 --> 00:02:58.360 the East, I think people really should take note on how dangerous this Philadelphia 43 00:02:58.400 --> 00:03:04.039 seventy Sixers team is. And they definitely made a statement by asking the Brooklyn 44 00:03:04.080 --> 00:03:08.199 Nets to exit stage left very quickly in this first round in the NBA Playoffs, 45 00:03:08.520 --> 00:03:13.680 and again it just highlights to me how we just cannot take for granted 46 00:03:13.719 --> 00:03:17.159 when teams are coming in with their best work at play, how we have 47 00:03:17.240 --> 00:03:23.280 to acknowledge what this can mean for them and their playoff run. I would 48 00:03:23.319 --> 00:03:24.919 agree. I think, you know, the Philadelphia has acquitted themselves in a 49 00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:29.960 way that many people were skeptical of. They didn't want to see them struggle 50 00:03:29.960 --> 00:03:34.199 against It really wasn't an inferior Brooklyn team. Nice story, but a lot 51 00:03:34.199 --> 00:03:38.560 of the Nets juicy if you will, was padded by the work Kyrie and 52 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:40.879 KD did before they left. So they add they are out ten games above 53 00:03:40.960 --> 00:03:44.840 five hundred when both of those guys got traded, you know, and the 54 00:03:44.879 --> 00:03:47.919 Nets more or less was able to maintain some semblance of standing here, but 55 00:03:49.240 --> 00:03:53.960 probably were not the true sixth seed, if that makes sense. In terms 56 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:58.360 of that, I think Atlanta and Atlanta and Miami are both better teams as 57 00:03:58.400 --> 00:04:00.800 currently constructed. And then they just ended up running into a bus on the 58 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:03.280 seventy six ers. But luckily for Philly, they took care of business, 59 00:04:03.319 --> 00:04:08.759 didn't play around and really starting to see really truly the emergence of Tyrese Maxi 60 00:04:08.879 --> 00:04:11.719 even further than what we've a lot of people said, like they need him 61 00:04:11.759 --> 00:04:15.480 to be technically like the second best scorer on that team with Tobias Harris and 62 00:04:15.519 --> 00:04:19.160 even James Harden and filling in supplementary roles. Harden is more facilitator now, 63 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:26.040 So Maxi's a s sorry sure ascension here is really what is the case herein 64 00:04:26.120 --> 00:04:30.199 that made Philadelphia is running the first round here as easy ass as it ultimately 65 00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:33.240 was. Yeah, the one thing I just wanted, because I know we're 66 00:04:33.240 --> 00:04:38.120 going to focus our attention on discussing the brooken Nets is they are obviously one 67 00:04:38.120 --> 00:04:41.079 of the teams that we will be discussing on our autopsy report. My attention 68 00:04:41.160 --> 00:04:45.399 is more so about the Philadelphia seventy six ers show in that this, to 69 00:04:45.519 --> 00:04:50.680 me, on a macro level, I think is the best case situation for 70 00:04:50.759 --> 00:04:55.319 us to properly assess what is going to be the future of the Philadelphia seventy 71 00:04:55.360 --> 00:04:59.079 sixers moving forward. Because if you can't have a team that you can truly 72 00:04:59.079 --> 00:05:03.519 rely on making a significantly deep run, what changes could you possibly make? 73 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:08.120 Like the rumors about them getting rid of Doc Rivers, you know, the 74 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:12.439 chance that they're taking signing PJ. Tucker things that nature like for us when 75 00:05:12.480 --> 00:05:15.399 we're talking about Tobias Harris, so we're talking about Tyrese Maxie, if you're 76 00:05:15.439 --> 00:05:19.360 the Philadelphia sev six is you really want to use this run to properly assess 77 00:05:19.480 --> 00:05:24.480 what the future of the Sixers and the success for them to finally get over 78 00:05:24.519 --> 00:05:28.519 the hump is gonna mean when you're seeing these guys playing at a high level 79 00:05:28.680 --> 00:05:31.720 and we've seen them fall short year after year. So what I appreciate more 80 00:05:31.720 --> 00:05:36.000 than anything is Doc Rivers told these guys and even though I know it's the 81 00:05:36.040 --> 00:05:41.319 Brooklyn Nets, Doc Rivers says, go in handle your business. Don't play 82 00:05:41.319 --> 00:05:45.279 around with these dudes. Like we're seeing some teams right now, they're probably 83 00:05:45.319 --> 00:05:47.879 going to run into a struggle. You're gonna probably start seeing hiccups. Do 84 00:05:47.959 --> 00:05:51.040 we start questioning whether or not that's going to be the landscape of the Eastern 85 00:05:51.040 --> 00:05:55.800 Conference. When you're talking about the Bucks, when you're talking about the Celtics 86 00:05:55.839 --> 00:05:59.600 against their matchups, I'm just saying that I'm glad to see the Philadelphia seventy 87 00:05:59.600 --> 00:06:02.399 six ers leave no question, no stone unturned about the doubt that they should 88 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:05.680 be in the semifinal round, and that to me is a good thing if 89 00:06:05.680 --> 00:06:11.279 you're talking about representation and the actual future of the seventy six ers. Yeah, 90 00:06:11.319 --> 00:06:13.439 I mean, and that's where do you go from here? So this 91 00:06:13.480 --> 00:06:15.399 is what have you done from a lately situation. I don't think anybody picked 92 00:06:15.399 --> 00:06:19.680 the Nets to beat Philadelphia, so some ways they took care of business in 93 00:06:19.680 --> 00:06:23.639 a way that everyone expected. Maybe I certainly sweep think most people pick five, 94 00:06:23.759 --> 00:06:27.879 maybe even six games, but they were by far and away the better 95 00:06:27.879 --> 00:06:30.399 team and that showed, especially in the fourth quarter of that first round series. 96 00:06:30.399 --> 00:06:33.360 So Philly will sit here and wait see what their second round opponent is 97 00:06:33.560 --> 00:06:36.959 and if it does happen to beat Boston, Ortlanto whichever one, they have 98 00:06:38.079 --> 00:06:41.759 full expectations to get past both of those teams and meet whoever now in these 99 00:06:41.959 --> 00:06:44.560 conference finals, because you know, on the other side of the bracket, 100 00:06:44.600 --> 00:06:46.040 we have no idea what's happening. You know, we get we could do 101 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:49.759 a whole other show on what the playoffs look like from what we thought they 102 00:06:49.759 --> 00:06:53.079 were going to be coming in, you know, a week or so ago. 103 00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:55.959 Absolutely, all right, chear really quick. I want to focus towards 104 00:06:56.160 --> 00:07:01.839 the Western Conference, right and what we're seeing emerging now with the field with 105 00:07:01.879 --> 00:07:04.920 the Phoenix Suns, right Like, everybody has looked at them and said, 106 00:07:04.959 --> 00:07:10.839 if these guys start putting it together, they mess around, they essentially are 107 00:07:10.839 --> 00:07:13.639 going to look like the Golden State Warriors from four years ago, four or 108 00:07:13.639 --> 00:07:15.639 five years ago. So you know, my whole thing is when you look 109 00:07:15.639 --> 00:07:19.120 at the Western Conference and you see how things are playing out in that first 110 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:26.439 round, what I have acknowledged is the chippiness. The competitive level has gone 111 00:07:26.519 --> 00:07:30.480 up way high. Right Like, even amongst the brotherhood of the NBA, 112 00:07:30.560 --> 00:07:35.519 we're seeing guys basically saying it's gonna be all out, balls out when when 113 00:07:35.560 --> 00:07:39.879 we're playing against each other, we don't care about what the ranking is, 114 00:07:39.920 --> 00:07:43.160 we don't care about what jersey is on your chest. I mean, when 115 00:07:43.160 --> 00:07:46.680 you really look at it, man, it's it's amplified the attention of how 116 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:51.160 you know what I'm saying, everybody is grabbing at this opportunity to possibly walk 117 00:07:51.199 --> 00:07:55.120 away with a championship this year. And oh, by the way, the 118 00:07:55.160 --> 00:07:58.319 Golden Stay Warriors are still amongst those teams that you still have to take that 119 00:07:58.360 --> 00:08:01.959 into consideration. This spy the antics of what's taking place in that King's Warrior 120 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:07.199 series. Yeah, I mean the West is giving everything we thought it would. 121 00:08:07.399 --> 00:08:09.680 All the teams out there feel like they have a legitimate chance, um 122 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:16.240 save maybe the Minnesota tripleles, right, and you didn't even though Shade you're 123 00:08:16.279 --> 00:08:20.480 just doing Eclipse, I mean, just keeping it a buck. I think 124 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:24.439 at the end of the day, like they don't have championship aspirations, I 125 00:08:24.480 --> 00:08:26.079 really feel like that that's where they can be. You know, in their 126 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:31.519 heart of heart. Everybody else thinks like they could probably do something. And 127 00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:33.000 I mean whether good, bad or different. You know, a lot of 128 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:35.360 people would probably say the King don't have a real chance at this, but 129 00:08:35.480 --> 00:08:39.399 you know, as we record leading in their series and whatever it is, 130 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:43.080 everybody feels like they're they're right there. So I think what we what we're 131 00:08:43.080 --> 00:08:46.759 seeing is really truly the testament of that of understanding, like, yo, 132 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:50.159 why not us? Why not? Why can't we possibly win? You know, 133 00:08:50.279 --> 00:08:52.559 especially if we can stay healthy? And you know, I think that's 134 00:08:52.559 --> 00:08:56.200 obviously the unfortunate case for the Clippers. You know, with Kawhi going down 135 00:08:56.200 --> 00:08:58.720 with the nice brain and not knowing when he'll be back. You know, 136 00:08:58.759 --> 00:09:01.399 that puts them into disadvantage to the aforementioned Phoenix Suns as you spoke about, 137 00:09:01.480 --> 00:09:05.200 So the West is great. I don't again, I don't have a good 138 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:09.720 sense of it right now. Who really is the best team. I don't 139 00:09:09.720 --> 00:09:13.240 think Denver's being challenged in the way that is probably requisite. But you can 140 00:09:13.279 --> 00:09:16.039 say maybe it's a nice tune up for the next round, and if they 141 00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:20.159 do meet Phoenix in that second round, that's gonna be a really great series 142 00:09:20.200 --> 00:09:22.000 and I can't wait to see it, absolutely man. So yeah, that 143 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:28.759 that is our quick round up of first round action so far, and obviously 144 00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:33.919 you want to keep us locked here because we will continue our conversations and highlight 145 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:37.200 all of the things that are taking place. There was one thing that I 146 00:09:37.240 --> 00:09:41.320 did want to definitely get your perspective on Shaw, and it's it's something that 147 00:09:41.399 --> 00:09:46.200 I think even Doc Rivers had highlighted in regards to what we're seeing as the 148 00:09:46.240 --> 00:09:50.679 trend that's taking place. I don't want to fixate on whether or not referees 149 00:09:50.679 --> 00:09:54.039 are getting things right or wrong. We do this all the time, but 150 00:09:54.120 --> 00:10:01.360 I did really want to get your perspective about the juda cation that is taking 151 00:10:01.440 --> 00:10:05.960 place, on how we are looking at the actions, whether it's been in 152 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:11.240 the Eastern Conference or the Western Conference, that that that is that is happening 153 00:10:11.240 --> 00:10:15.440 to the players, And I just wanted to get your perspective on it because 154 00:10:15.840 --> 00:10:18.360 you're someone you know who kind of looks at everything, you know down the 155 00:10:18.360 --> 00:10:22.320 middle. Right, Um, you can say blame can go be on on 156 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:26.919 on both sides. I'm just wondering from your perspective, Shaw, do you 157 00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:33.120 find that the n NBPA is going to lean in more on the idea that 158 00:10:33.159 --> 00:10:39.080 there has to be more accountability taking place when we have things like this happening 159 00:10:39.679 --> 00:10:45.960 during the the the you know, the client, the height of NBA action 160 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:50.000 right primetime, whatever you want to call it, on being making sure that 161 00:10:50.039 --> 00:10:58.759 we are parsing out proper um punishment to everyone involved. That is taking away 162 00:10:58.799 --> 00:11:01.480 from the factor of people being entertained and seeing the best players out on the 163 00:11:01.480 --> 00:11:05.320 basketball court basketball court and the best product that's being put out there during the 164 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:11.240 playoffs. Well, it's a layered conversation only in the aspect of the referees 165 00:11:11.480 --> 00:11:16.559 and the Referee Association. They're they're going to make those calls in the game 166 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:18.159 when it comes down to suspension. That ends up being a league issue, 167 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:24.480 right, So it's based on whatever evidence was presented or they review the tapeic 168 00:11:24.559 --> 00:11:28.480 center after the action that took place. So it's really multi layered in that 169 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:33.399 too. So the PA and the and the League now they've renegotiated, you 170 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:37.399 know, the collective Bargaining Agreement. So don't know what aspects of referee are 171 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:39.639 actually involved in that. I'm not sure there's any. But then now the 172 00:11:39.720 --> 00:11:45.240 League and the Referees Association has another agreement that they helped that I think more 173 00:11:45.320 --> 00:11:48.519 recently was I think of a year or so ago, was negotiated. I 174 00:11:48.519 --> 00:11:50.519 don't know how often they go back review take a look at kind of the 175 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:54.480 things and I think you talk about you know, the Competition committee and all 176 00:11:54.480 --> 00:11:58.919 those other things that those types of conversations come up. But in its totality, 177 00:11:58.960 --> 00:12:03.039 what we've seen this year and Thistager's playoffs specifically, has been a lack 178 00:12:03.080 --> 00:12:07.960 of consistency. And it's almost really interesting because they just try to put some 179 00:12:07.000 --> 00:12:11.039 semblance of parameters in when it comes to the establishment of awards, right, 180 00:12:11.360 --> 00:12:15.919 these awards need to have this minimum criteria siveral, fourth and so forth. 181 00:12:16.200 --> 00:12:18.080 I think in some ways you're going to be looking at all. Right, 182 00:12:18.120 --> 00:12:20.000 well, you know what type of offenses, and the offenses are going to 183 00:12:20.039 --> 00:12:24.799 carry this weight and this type of criteria minimum finds, maximum finds, suspension, 184 00:12:24.840 --> 00:12:28.840 no suspension based on kind of the judication of whatever the penalty or a 185 00:12:28.919 --> 00:12:33.000 situation is. Um it seems a little haphazard currently right now. And that 186 00:12:33.159 --> 00:12:37.480 is what players don't like more than anything else, as well as coaches. 187 00:12:37.159 --> 00:12:41.919 Just the inconsistency of understanding what what what what penalty fits the crime. We 188 00:12:41.960 --> 00:12:45.679 don't know, so they will need to take a look at that in some 189 00:12:45.720 --> 00:12:48.080 capacity. I just don't have enough education in terms of the back end to 190 00:12:48.159 --> 00:12:52.559 understand exactly what that looks like. But I would, I would imagine silver 191 00:12:52.759 --> 00:12:54.039 and all those involved are going to say, hey, lest summer, let's 192 00:12:54.120 --> 00:12:58.399 let's get together and see how we mess some things up here, you know, 193 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:03.200 especially in those first round hopefully gets better, and then see if there 194 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:05.399 are some things that can make the players and the players association a little bit 195 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:09.919 happier. Moving for Callie warns y'all to Baseline NBA Podcasts, and as always, 196 00:13:09.919 --> 00:13:13.360 man, we appreciate you and yours for hopping on board with us this 197 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:16.440 week. We got a lot to get into man sew and I about to 198 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:20.240 drop on them white coats, and it's time to examine and exhum two new 199 00:13:20.320 --> 00:13:22.879 teams. They're being added to the slab for our autopsy reports. We will 200 00:13:22.919 --> 00:13:31.279 be talking about the Toronto Raptors and the Brooklyn Nets. Both teams interesting path 201 00:13:31.639 --> 00:13:35.720 to their deaths, and obviously our eulogies will be somewhat of an interesting call, 202 00:13:35.799 --> 00:13:39.919 so to speak. Is there a future for both of those teams. 203 00:13:39.919 --> 00:13:43.000 Obviously one of them is taking a completely different path about dictating where their future 204 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:46.200 is going to be, and we'll talk about that in a moment, but 205 00:13:46.279 --> 00:13:48.600 it's gonna be a great conversation nonetheless. As always, be sure to get 206 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:52.480 in my man Shaw Ashaw Sports, NBA Get at Me a game Face Leader 207 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:54.320 Shows, Twinhanah, and NBA Baseline. 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Night time Now for the breakdown. 242 00:16:22.120 --> 00:16:29.039 Callie Warrenshaw The Baseline NBA podcasts and this is uncoveted autopsy reports. When 243 00:16:29.080 --> 00:16:33.320 we get to examining zoom teams who unfortunately are no longer with us for the 244 00:16:33.480 --> 00:16:37.879 run for the NBA Finals or the NBA title for that matter. And so 245 00:16:37.919 --> 00:16:40.440 two new teams are going to basically put on the slab, and the first 246 00:16:40.480 --> 00:16:45.279 one that was stepping up onto the examiner's report, it's going to be the 247 00:16:45.320 --> 00:16:49.639 Toronto Raptors, and you know, Sew, it's it's interesting, Uh, 248 00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:56.360 the Toronto Raptors themselves are obviously, um, you know, putting some bodies 249 00:16:56.399 --> 00:17:02.159 on the slab as the recent reports um came through the wire of them letting 250 00:17:02.200 --> 00:17:07.599 go Nick nurse To as their head coach, which I think has shocked me 251 00:17:07.720 --> 00:17:11.440 more than I'm sure you were shocked by this as well, and anyone else, 252 00:17:11.799 --> 00:17:15.200 you know what a pulse would be totally shocked. Here you have a 253 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:21.279 guy who basically took the team to the NBA Championship in twenty eighteen. He 254 00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:26.960 has an over you know, five hundred percentage as the head coach, arguably 255 00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:32.359 one of the more heady minds in the NBA. I think it really surprises 256 00:17:32.400 --> 00:17:37.759 me that given the circumstances and what the Toronto Raptors basically had to do to 257 00:17:37.799 --> 00:17:41.160 get to themselves to be a part of the playing situation, and though they 258 00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:48.200 did not know get into the playoffs, understandable the fact that Massaia Yujuri just 259 00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:52.759 thought it was best that they part ways with Nick Nurse. I don't know 260 00:17:52.079 --> 00:17:57.319 what could possibly be the justification for it, but clearly there's gonna be a 261 00:17:57.319 --> 00:18:00.680 lot of work down the road for this team. I just didn't think it 262 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:06.200 was going to start with their head coach. Well, Nick had been alluding 263 00:18:06.200 --> 00:18:07.960 to it a little bit, and I guess maybe he him aside with having 264 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:11.519 some conversations, but there's a little bit of had he lost the locker room 265 00:18:12.319 --> 00:18:17.519 conversation going on here. We know he's a you know, anigmatic guy, 266 00:18:17.839 --> 00:18:22.359 does a lot of things kind of quote outside the box that can resonate and 267 00:18:22.519 --> 00:18:26.279 seemed to work. Others may call it gimmicky, and you know whether or 268 00:18:26.319 --> 00:18:30.720 not those those gimmicks or those you know, those strategies started to wear thin, 269 00:18:30.960 --> 00:18:34.279 and I think it's up for debate, just depending on the circles that 270 00:18:34.319 --> 00:18:37.759 you're in. Toronto had an uneven season. They played better towards the end, 271 00:18:38.119 --> 00:18:41.160 especially after getting Yaka Peurdle. They were above slightly thirteen and ten. 272 00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:45.000 I think after the All Star break and you know, trade deadline, so 273 00:18:45.160 --> 00:18:48.839 you know they finished at forty one to forty one though, right, So 274 00:18:48.599 --> 00:18:52.039 this is a team that I think looked at in the water for a little 275 00:18:52.039 --> 00:18:56.640 while but then showed glimpses. And I remember various reporters or watching games and 276 00:18:56.680 --> 00:18:59.519 sometimes saying it's like, yo, how was this team where they're at? 277 00:18:59.640 --> 00:19:03.200 Just like they were completely underachieving. Ultimately, though Nick Nurse, you know 278 00:19:03.359 --> 00:19:07.000 is has moved on. I feel like it's while it's coming off as a 279 00:19:07.079 --> 00:19:11.440 quote unquote firing, I think he probably was not long for the job in 280 00:19:11.440 --> 00:19:15.640 that itself as well too, So Hybrid goes, he moves on, and 281 00:19:15.720 --> 00:19:19.559 now you know, Udoka is a leading candidate in the clubhouse for for a 282 00:19:19.640 --> 00:19:25.279 team that has obviously some talent with it, they have some big roster decisions 283 00:19:25.279 --> 00:19:27.799 to make as well. Though. They acquired Yaka Purdle as I mentioned earlier, 284 00:19:27.839 --> 00:19:30.960 but he's not under contract, so they have to figure out they're going 285 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:34.400 to re up on him. But at one number does that does that give 286 00:19:34.480 --> 00:19:37.640 you? And a question I want to get to for you is really kind 287 00:19:37.640 --> 00:19:45.920 of dual fold because they have three guys in in very various different situations Fred 288 00:19:47.000 --> 00:19:52.359 van Vliet has a player option, Gary Trent has a player option. O 289 00:19:52.519 --> 00:19:56.519 Gianna Nobi just wants to be out. He wishes the player option because he 290 00:19:56.559 --> 00:19:59.480 would be exercising that and piecing out on them. I think on the first 291 00:19:59.480 --> 00:20:03.279 thing, smoke, so Van Vleet did not have a really great year, 292 00:20:03.039 --> 00:20:07.799 especially shooting the basketball. He really struggled with that. But I think there 293 00:20:07.880 --> 00:20:10.200 was a lot of like, oh, he's gonna opt out regardless he's a 294 00:20:10.359 --> 00:20:12.279 twenty two million I mean, yeah, he's not done a playing basketball. 295 00:20:12.319 --> 00:20:18.279 But canny bet on himself and stay and then try to increase his his his 296 00:20:18.279 --> 00:20:21.599 his value, you know, for the next season. Or does he opt 297 00:20:21.599 --> 00:20:23.839 out now and see in a weeker free agent class and said what, I 298 00:20:23.920 --> 00:20:26.160 might be one of the best free agents out there. Do I go out 299 00:20:26.200 --> 00:20:29.559 here and see if I can you know, secure three years, sixty, 300 00:20:29.640 --> 00:20:33.319 three years, seventy whatever it ultimately is. That's my question for you Van 301 00:20:33.440 --> 00:20:36.240 Vleet, Trent, and Annanobe. That's kind of stopped with the Van Vleet 302 00:20:36.319 --> 00:20:40.480 side of it first. So Fred van Fleet to me is a very interesting 303 00:20:40.559 --> 00:20:42.880 player and and in me following him over the last couple of years, I've 304 00:20:42.920 --> 00:20:47.799 often said, like, you know, he's a he's he's a mercurial kind 305 00:20:47.839 --> 00:20:53.599 of guard. He's not the kind of guard that I think you you can't 306 00:20:53.680 --> 00:20:57.039 coach down, and I don't know whether or not you can completely coach up. 307 00:20:57.119 --> 00:21:00.480 I think he's someone that just pretty much stays within himself and stays within 308 00:21:00.519 --> 00:21:04.359 his zone. And maybe this is part of what's triggered UM, you know, 309 00:21:06.920 --> 00:21:11.480 size thought process in considering what moves have to be made, um in 310 00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:15.640 order to to to determine what kind of future the Toronto Raptors are going to 311 00:21:15.720 --> 00:21:19.200 be. So the reason why I say all of that is because you know, 312 00:21:19.319 --> 00:21:22.920 Fred van Fleet is gonna give you about twenty points per game. But 313 00:21:22.240 --> 00:21:26.519 I just thought he was always equally effective when he was coming off the bench 314 00:21:26.920 --> 00:21:32.720 during that essentially during that year UM that they won the championship, right Like, 315 00:21:33.119 --> 00:21:37.839 I think part of that UM difference in the way that the Toronto Raptors 316 00:21:37.839 --> 00:21:41.680 have always responded as being a quality team was driven by the way that Kyle 317 00:21:41.720 --> 00:21:48.079 Lowry led that team. I think it also drove you know you um uh 318 00:21:48.119 --> 00:21:56.000 you you your jeries um uh decision making process about moving the Marta Rosen for 319 00:21:56.079 --> 00:22:00.559 the forgetting a Kawhi, Leonard, I want to see where if you're telling 320 00:22:00.559 --> 00:22:03.640 me that Fred van Fleet is going to be your point guard, have we 321 00:22:03.720 --> 00:22:07.720 seen the elevation of Pascal Siakam's game? Right? Have we seen? Are 322 00:22:07.720 --> 00:22:11.920 we going to see the elevation of Scott Barnes's game. I don't know if 323 00:22:11.960 --> 00:22:17.440 I worry about Grary Trent and Ogianna Nubia. I feel like those are part 324 00:22:17.480 --> 00:22:22.799 of those yester years of the Raptors because I you know, twenty eighteen up 325 00:22:22.839 --> 00:22:26.079 till now, there's a distinction about the way that this team was supposed to 326 00:22:26.160 --> 00:22:29.799 be moving in the direction that they were moving for us to really determine if 327 00:22:29.880 --> 00:22:33.960 Nick Nurse truly had a finger on the pulse of this team. My whole 328 00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:37.200 thing is, I don't know if you have Scottie Barnes and Pascal Siakam at 329 00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:41.720 the peak of their levels, if you continue to play with Fred van Fleet. 330 00:22:41.720 --> 00:22:47.160 I think Van Fleet's pace of play is very deliberate, very methodical. 331 00:22:47.519 --> 00:22:51.920 That's not what you want with two athletic guys like Barnes and Siakam. And 332 00:22:51.960 --> 00:22:55.359 I think part of that decision making process about saying, well, what are 333 00:22:55.359 --> 00:22:59.640 you gonna do? With Van Fleet. Me personally, I think that if 334 00:23:00.160 --> 00:23:03.799 you're selling me that Van Fleet is going to play a role of not being 335 00:23:03.839 --> 00:23:07.640 the primary scoring guard that you have, you're gonna need a guard that's gonna 336 00:23:07.680 --> 00:23:10.759 accentuate what you're getting from Barnes and Siakam. So let me start with that 337 00:23:10.799 --> 00:23:14.319 part in my off base in my assessment of what I'm saying about Van Fleet. 338 00:23:15.119 --> 00:23:22.480 Well, I think Toronto doesn't necessarily have a true option here. It's 339 00:23:22.559 --> 00:23:26.000 Vanvleet's option, right, So Van Vleet is a one who kind of hell 340 00:23:26.039 --> 00:23:30.599 holds some power. Now he opts in power shifts back to Toronto and being 341 00:23:30.599 --> 00:23:32.880 able to say it's like all right, well on this last year, if 342 00:23:32.880 --> 00:23:34.240 your deal, we'll see if this is where you ultimately want to be. 343 00:23:34.319 --> 00:23:38.799 But I think they do need to figure out what the role definement is ultimately 344 00:23:38.839 --> 00:23:41.640 going to be. I mean, Van Vleet nineteen and seven seven assists is 345 00:23:41.680 --> 00:23:45.079 nothing to see that at any capacity, right. But I think you're right 346 00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:48.880 about in terms of pace. Siakim does a lot of facilitation for them, 347 00:23:48.880 --> 00:23:52.799 so does Scottie Barnes. So it's great to have that level of versatility kind 348 00:23:52.799 --> 00:23:56.240 of throughout the throughout your your roster, especially with all those guys on the 349 00:23:56.240 --> 00:23:59.279 floor, because you ever kind of know who's going to facilitate or versus who's 350 00:23:59.279 --> 00:24:03.440 going to score in some aspects. M I just don't know. I think 351 00:24:03.480 --> 00:24:08.160 that the total roster construction of Toronto is a little bit too Duplicitu and Van 352 00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:11.720 Vleet while not you know, a rangy long guy, you know, like 353 00:24:11.799 --> 00:24:15.079 that in the in the Barns and Siakam and Chris Bouche and even add Anobie 354 00:24:15.119 --> 00:24:18.480 Realms. You know, he's kind of a diminutive, but is a solid 355 00:24:18.559 --> 00:24:22.839 defender as well too, got really great hands. I just don't know if 356 00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:25.680 this is the future that he wants, you know, to be. And 357 00:24:25.759 --> 00:24:29.960 I think now all all options are on the table because Nick Nurse has been 358 00:24:30.079 --> 00:24:33.319 let go. So does he say, yeah, shit, I do want 359 00:24:33.319 --> 00:24:34.079 to stay. And now the year if you're going to bring in a guy 360 00:24:34.119 --> 00:24:37.960 like Judoku led a team to the NBA Championship in his first year as a 361 00:24:37.000 --> 00:24:41.960 head coach, right, well all Nick Nurse, right, I think that 362 00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:45.519 has a lot to play with some of the decision making of both Gary Trent 363 00:24:47.559 --> 00:24:49.880 and and and Fred van Vleet, like they may say, you know what, 364 00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:53.759 maybe I don't. I will say though, I think Trent probably has 365 00:24:55.319 --> 00:25:00.279 more more to gain by opting out than Van Vleet does currently and Ven is 366 00:25:00.519 --> 00:25:03.359 a better player and even had a better year statistically. But I think the 367 00:25:03.759 --> 00:25:08.480 aspect of what Trent does as a shooter and as a pseudo defender, he 368 00:25:08.559 --> 00:25:11.039 may be able to go out here and cash out in a way that maybe 369 00:25:11.119 --> 00:25:15.519 Van Vleet may not be able to because sometimes people are hesitant to pay guys 370 00:25:15.519 --> 00:25:18.039 who are smaller, you know, like Van Vleet, you know, long 371 00:25:18.119 --> 00:25:21.759 term. So especially since again he didn't have a good year with the percentage 372 00:25:21.880 --> 00:25:23.200 standpoint, now that he didn't have a good year at all, but the 373 00:25:23.200 --> 00:25:26.039 percentages were a little bit down, and that might have some teams like, 374 00:25:26.119 --> 00:25:30.519 hey, maybe try to get him out a discount. But again this is 375 00:25:30.559 --> 00:25:34.279 about market value and if you wait and go to another year where there's better 376 00:25:34.319 --> 00:25:37.880 free agents available, will that probably drives your ability to make money down. 377 00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:41.240 So do you jump out the window now or does Toronto say hey, we 378 00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:44.880 really want you. That's why I say this is a really interesting situation here, 379 00:25:44.880 --> 00:25:47.680 I think for the Raptors, because you know, I don't know who's 380 00:25:47.680 --> 00:25:51.079 going to blink first? And you know what everybody wants because the firing of 381 00:25:51.200 --> 00:25:53.720 Nick Nurse is looms very large. I think for the roster rotation and everybody 382 00:25:53.759 --> 00:25:56.720 else on this team, how they'll be able to move forward moving again as 383 00:25:57.039 --> 00:26:00.839 next season comes about. Right, So let me go ahead and address the 384 00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:03.480 second part to your question. And I don't know if whether or not what 385 00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:06.680 you're gonna do is lean me in towards what my assessment is going to be 386 00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:08.559 about Gary, Trent, Nogi and Andnobi. But let me put it like 387 00:26:08.599 --> 00:26:12.599 this, Shaw, I would rather see van Fleet slide to the shooting guard 388 00:26:12.599 --> 00:26:17.279 position. If your intent is that you want van Fleet to still be a 389 00:26:17.319 --> 00:26:22.000 part of this constructed roster of Barnes sachem say and having van Fleet, but 390 00:26:22.039 --> 00:26:26.160 then you cannot have Trent and Enobe. I would probably like to see Barnes 391 00:26:26.519 --> 00:26:32.920 move back over to the maybe the small forward position. Siakam naturally gravitate to 392 00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:37.720 the to the foe if that's the intent. Here's my thing. Van Fleet 393 00:26:37.720 --> 00:26:41.759 cannot be your primary ball handler. While I think that he is an adequate 394 00:26:41.599 --> 00:26:47.680 guard, he is not the kind of guard that completely dominates you. Know 395 00:26:47.680 --> 00:26:51.640 what I'm saying where you're gonna set up like him being the ISO guy and 396 00:26:51.680 --> 00:26:53.839 still be able to set up guys like Barnes and Siakam. I just have 397 00:26:53.880 --> 00:26:59.279 seen way too many instances where you're pushing van Fleet in a space where I 398 00:26:59.319 --> 00:27:03.680 think he's built with someone better coming off the dribble better than having to be 399 00:27:03.759 --> 00:27:07.759 the primary ball dominant guard. I think it compromises a lot of what you 400 00:27:07.799 --> 00:27:11.119 can get from Barnes and Siakam if he's primarily your ball handler. Also, 401 00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:15.440 let's keep in mind as well too, the Toronto Raptors are among one of 402 00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:18.599 the worst teams in space. You have two Thoroughbreds and Barnes and Siakam, 403 00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:22.079 who I believe are better in transition. You're not getting that with van Fleet. 404 00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:26.000 So if you're gonna have Van Fleet, he needs to be your two. 405 00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:29.039 I think that he shoots the basketball better. I think he comes off 406 00:27:29.960 --> 00:27:33.720 the dribble better. Get a legit guard who's going to be able to help 407 00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:38.160 open these guys up a little bit more, operate with more pace and play 408 00:27:38.200 --> 00:27:41.279 for them so that you have a balance of whether or not you need a 409 00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:45.119 half court set player like van Fleet to be your primary score or you can 410 00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:49.640 have guys on the open blocks like Barnes and Siakam taking advantage of what they 411 00:27:49.640 --> 00:27:53.359 can give you with their athleticism as the front court players. Right With that 412 00:27:53.440 --> 00:27:56.440 being said, it can't be at the expense of saying, well do I 413 00:27:56.519 --> 00:28:00.480 keep Trent or do I keep in Enobi, because I really think that you're 414 00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:03.599 getting essentially the same kind of players. The only difference is is I see 415 00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:07.359 more upside with an Enobi if as long he stays healthy. But we've seen 416 00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:11.119 his track record of him not being fully healthy for the duration of time. 417 00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:14.680 I think this is the last like this last season is the first season we 418 00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:19.200 actually got to see Annonobi in full blossom for everyone to see what he can 419 00:28:19.240 --> 00:28:22.759 bring to the table. But that doesn't necessarily mean that it yields success for 420 00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:29.440 the Toronto Raptors. This would have been great back twenty eighteen prior when they've 421 00:28:29.440 --> 00:28:32.799 had him, but up to this point now I just think it becomes an 422 00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:34.759 anomaly. I just think it becomes like too little, too late, and 423 00:28:34.839 --> 00:28:38.720 it's more to the advantage of Anobi for what he wants to get as far 424 00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:44.079 as contractual goes, that he may go somewhere elsewhere being the type of player 425 00:28:44.119 --> 00:28:47.880 that he is. It's going to be better for that team than necessarily what 426 00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:49.480 he's going to continue to do if he does it with the Toronto Raptors. 427 00:28:49.960 --> 00:28:53.640 Well, let me tell you this, without knowing Annonobi in any capacity, 428 00:28:53.799 --> 00:28:57.319 this is no not source or anything like that too. Annonobe think he can 429 00:28:57.359 --> 00:29:02.559 be mcel Bridges. Basically he can if you give him the opportunity to go 430 00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:06.000 be the man on a team. I'm gonna have some words about Michael Bridges, 431 00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:07.680 and I know people are gonna probably be like, what the hell is 432 00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:11.160 cal talking about. Well, we'll deal with that. We'll deal with that 433 00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:15.599 examiner's report in a little bit. But and Anobi, I think in his 434 00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:18.920 mind is like, Yeah, I can go out here and get you twenty 435 00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:22.759 plus a game if I was given the opportunity to be at least a number 436 00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:26.000 one or even two option. Because Siakam is there, because van Fleet is 437 00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:29.720 there, even Barnes to a lesser degree, those guys kind of gain. 438 00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:32.359 They all just kind of do enough and cancel each other out. And the 439 00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:36.440 way Yakam is clearly the best offensive talent on the team and really good. 440 00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:40.359 He's really had two bounce back years in a row that have been stellar statistically 441 00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:44.559 and all star level at et cetera, et cetera. But your point going 442 00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:48.559 back to it about van Fleet is interesting because they are a couple of things 443 00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:51.880 bothered me about Toronto, their lasting rebounding. So they got Purtle to hopefully 444 00:29:51.920 --> 00:29:55.960 try to avert that Peartle's not gonna catapult them fifteen slots, excuse me in 445 00:29:55.960 --> 00:29:59.519 the rebounding category, but he's gonna help. But they're also one of the 446 00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:03.400 last team and shooting as well too, So now you just kind of wonder 447 00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:07.079 with Van Vleet, Gary Trent, O, Gianna Nobi, Pascal Siakum, 448 00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:11.559 Yaker, Purtle, how do you figure out that role delineation. You still 449 00:30:11.559 --> 00:30:15.359 have Chris Bouche coming off the bench as well too. It's just there's a 450 00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:19.119 lot of things that just don't really seem to work, and they are going 451 00:30:19.160 --> 00:30:23.240 to have to probably move one or two of these guys. But the question, 452 00:30:23.279 --> 00:30:26.519 again we keep coming back to, is well, does the problem get 453 00:30:26.559 --> 00:30:32.640 solved for them by Van Vleet and Gary trent opting out of their contracts And 454 00:30:32.680 --> 00:30:36.160 if that doesn't happen, what your quote quote stuck with them for a year. 455 00:30:36.880 --> 00:30:40.480 Best case scenario. Maybe you do a two year extension with you know, 456 00:30:40.519 --> 00:30:42.000 team option player option, right, you know, like you get an 457 00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:45.000 option next year, they get an option the final I don't know, but 458 00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:49.000 those are the biggest questions I think surrounding this Raptor's team, especially like I 459 00:30:49.000 --> 00:30:52.279 said, in a free agent class that doesn't really seem like they'd be interested 460 00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:56.279 in some of the guys that might be out there, and then financially they 461 00:30:56.279 --> 00:30:59.279 wouldn't be able to would bring in people without moving a lot of contract to 462 00:30:59.359 --> 00:31:03.119 solid realt I don't nobody I think wants out van Vleet. We're not sure 463 00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:06.519 about Trent. We think probably like would like to stay, but just once 464 00:31:06.759 --> 00:31:10.039 wants a pay raise, and then then they got it and they have to 465 00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:12.319 more or less definitely resigned Purtle, who they brought in after trading him the 466 00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:15.519 first time in San Antonio. Bringing him back now, um so they're in 467 00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:21.160 a precarious situation. And not to even mention the the roster development. You 468 00:31:21.200 --> 00:31:25.480 know, Delano Barton was also a free agent, and then um uh Pressus 469 00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:27.559 Chua as well too, who also they got into trade as well. I'm 470 00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:30.359 glad you brought up pressure to two because here's my thing. What do you 471 00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:33.559 do with him? What? What? What? What becomes of him? 472 00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:37.680 If the target, to your point, Shaw is possibly figuring out a way 473 00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:42.519 to resign or re up yaka portal. Right, Like, I'm just wondering, 474 00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:47.160 like what is what is the overall makeup? Because let's also be realistic 475 00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:52.759 about this team as well too. As promising as some of these names are 476 00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:56.839 that we've thrown out there, their bench is really not that good, right, 477 00:31:56.920 --> 00:32:00.079 Like they're not the most productive in the in the sense of if I 478 00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:02.759 sit a van Fleet, I sit a Barnes, I sit a Siakam, 479 00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:08.079 where I sit in a nobi that these guys are gonna collectively amplify, amplify 480 00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:14.079 this team's ability to score the basketball. Great team defensively, but god awful 481 00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:17.839 defensively, god awful offensively. And and that to me is I think part 482 00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:22.920 of that problem. You know we've talked about with other teams. They look 483 00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:24.559 like promising dudes, and you want to keep them on the roster. You 484 00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:29.200 keep them now you've overflooded the position. You've you know what I'm saying, 485 00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:31.319 Like, you've got too many guys doing the same thing. So I'm in 486 00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:38.400 fear of this is what may become of it, and listen to too massize 487 00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:45.200 credit. He has always done an excellent job of diversifying the rosters that he 488 00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:47.720 puts together. Now we may not see it all come to fruition, right 489 00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:52.160 because they've only got one championship to show for it, and it basically took 490 00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:55.039 them getting a superstar to do it. But we never questioned us looking at 491 00:32:55.079 --> 00:32:58.839 someone on that roster saying, damn, that guy's got a great future. 492 00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:00.200 You know what I'm saying, if if you're playing, if you're playing as 493 00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:05.640 a Raptor, right, like, I'm just wondering what's because we have become 494 00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:09.079 we've started to see the deterioration sort of speak now of what was one of 495 00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:14.680 these strong points to the Toronto Raptors through the course of the years between Casey 496 00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:17.480 and Nurses, that they had depth and they can put guys in and they 497 00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:21.480 can be productive. Maybe they played above their heads. We're not seeing that 498 00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:23.880 now. And this season you really saw a kind of fall off the table 499 00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:29.960 because they really weren't able to generate much of anything in the way of getting 500 00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:34.359 reliable guys to come on and be you know, plug in play dudes. 501 00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:37.240 They're gonna make up for some of the things that they weren't able to get 502 00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:40.000 from their starters and or just what they weren't getting at all, you know, 503 00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:43.960 to leap frog them in a way where they weren't playing in the playing 504 00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:46.200 and things of that nature. Yeah, again, I don't. I just 505 00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:52.720 I struggle with trying to understand the obvious direction, because you're gonna look at 506 00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:55.880 this team again, forty one to forty one got a limited in the play 507 00:33:57.000 --> 00:34:01.279 in you know game if you will, eleventh and was eleventh and twelfth I 508 00:34:01.279 --> 00:34:07.559 think offensive defensive rating, so like they're not terrible, just outside the top 509 00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:09.440 ten and those things. While they are, they do struggle with the rebounding, 510 00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:13.840 They struggle with the shooting. As I alluded to, what is the 511 00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:17.119 clear path to roster construction? And I don't know if it is the version 512 00:34:17.199 --> 00:34:21.760 of of nnobe. And for those who might be interested, who would have 513 00:34:21.800 --> 00:34:23.719 been interested in the Macail bridges, I'll just continue to kind of like hammer 514 00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:27.840 down on that comparison. All right, Well, if people out there want 515 00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:30.480 bridges from Brooklyn and would would give you two or three draft picks, well, 516 00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:34.639 is that the mode Tronda wants to go in because you're not in a 517 00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:38.519 rebuild. So can you get pieces that make sense for a mid build that 518 00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:43.280 ultimately fit would you do? Can you basically do what the Lakers kind of 519 00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:46.760 did here at the at the trade deadline, right they reconstructed the roster around 520 00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:51.800 the court pieces, but got pieces that fit more more more adequately. And 521 00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:53.840 you know that's where it takes, you know, the work of a season 522 00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:58.760 general manager and a great front office to understand the cap and the numbers to 523 00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:01.679 make off for us out there that gets some pieces that make sense like who 524 00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:05.840 would be sellers who? Or they need shooting as I said, they need 525 00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:07.800 rebounding as I said, but they need pieces that fit around Siakam and Barnes 526 00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:10.719 because then, as you were talking about in the outset, even with the 527 00:35:10.840 --> 00:35:16.400 Chua and Chris Bouche, those are complimentary pieces that are somewhat duplicity, especially 528 00:35:16.400 --> 00:35:20.840 because Siakam is a four, five Purdles are five, Barnes is are three 529 00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:23.719 to four. So you like the flexibility of it, but it also can 530 00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:28.199 cause you some dissension because role definement is harder to create. That way. 531 00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:30.039 One thing I wanted to highlight show maybe you were going to get to this 532 00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:36.679 particular point before we start getting into our eulogies real quick. When I talk 533 00:35:36.719 --> 00:35:40.239 about Pascal Siakam, right, twenty four points per game, eight rebounds, 534 00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:47.199 very nice numbers, but nothing that is jumping off the page for us to 535 00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:52.760 say he's among one of those great stars, right, like there was a 536 00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:58.159 few years ago we were trying to make that ascension comparison of him to what 537 00:35:58.199 --> 00:36:01.119 we did with Jannis, like there's there's something in him where there's this level 538 00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:05.800 of greatness that is just there, right, like we want to believe it 539 00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:10.719 so badly because he was a part of what this team showed us when all 540 00:36:10.760 --> 00:36:15.000 they needed was a Kawhi Leonard on that roster, right. And I don't 541 00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:16.800 want to hear people, you know, trying to make this all well, 542 00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:20.559 you know, as fool's goal, because you know the Golden State Warriors. 543 00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:22.920 This has nothing to do with that. But the Raptors did what was required 544 00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:27.679 for them to get to the finals, and then they all played to do 545 00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:30.239 was necessary to win a championship, and Pascal Siakam was one of those guys. 546 00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:35.880 And then the team got basically gutted, right like, got totally And 547 00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:40.480 I'm not saying um Massai did that. I'm saying Kawhi walking basically put this 548 00:36:40.519 --> 00:36:45.440 team in a very unusual situation where, you know what, the window is 549 00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:50.079 now open for Siakam, for van Fleet, you know what I'm saying, 550 00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:52.360 to step up and be the future for the for the Toronto Raptors, and 551 00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:57.920 listen, you can make the argument that while they have had nice seasons and 552 00:36:57.960 --> 00:37:01.360 they've been good, we are not seeing the superstar level that I think people 553 00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:07.599 were hoping to have seen was supposed to grow from or blossom from still having 554 00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:13.800 Lowry on that roster and what Leonard at Kawhi Leonard had implemented or gave them 555 00:37:13.880 --> 00:37:15.639 in that fusion. You know what I'm saying, I'm not seeing it. 556 00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:19.760 Maybe you can correct me if I'm wrong. Shaw, And I think that's 557 00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:23.719 an interesting dynamic that no matter what we're talking about here, the Raptors I 558 00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:28.360 think are gonna be a very good basketball team. But I think part of 559 00:37:28.360 --> 00:37:32.920 this other equation is when will Pascal Siakam or maybe it's gonna be Scotty Barnes, 560 00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:36.639 I don't know, but when are one of those guys going to elevate 561 00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:40.000 to a superstar level to say they are a building block for this franchise, 562 00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:45.960 right Like the idea to believe that we're building around something isn't because we're collectively 563 00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:49.880 just decent guys and you know we'll get along. We'll be along to get 564 00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:53.280 along. One of them is gonna have to step up and say I'm the 565 00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:57.679 next Vince Carter, I'm the next Tracey McGrady, right Like, somebody has 566 00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:00.639 got to step up like DeMar De rosen and and Kyle Lowry for their part, 567 00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:04.960 for what they accomplished, what they did, they were the stars of 568 00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:08.639 the Toronto Raptors. I have not been sensing that with Pascal Siakam, even 569 00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:14.320 during these years post them winning the championship and the twenty five points per game. 570 00:38:14.360 --> 00:38:17.599 While it looks good, is a number, it doesn't accentuate the level 571 00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:22.840 of stardom that is required for them to be competitive in the Eastern Conference. 572 00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:27.800 I mean, I won't disagree with that. I think he's he's not an 573 00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:30.760 empty calories guy. You know it's not it's not, no, I'm not, 574 00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:32.639 but but you know what, it's the same, it's the same breath 575 00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:37.119 that I talk about with Karl Anthony Towns. Right. Yeah, good, 576 00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:40.400 very good player. Obviously puts up really great stats, but there's just something 577 00:38:40.440 --> 00:38:45.159 missing when it comes to that that in terms of being the guy and a 578 00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:47.880 Siakam is your number two, I think you're fine. So again, I'm 579 00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:52.639 not knocking Siakam because I don't think he's he. I don't think he can't 580 00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:54.599 be that. And that's why I think Toronto's built the roster in a way 581 00:38:54.679 --> 00:39:00.000 that compliments him and allows him to be, yeah, their best score, 582 00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:04.119 but not necessarily all right, the guy who's going to make and take the 583 00:39:04.119 --> 00:39:06.840 toughest shots. I think that actually goes to Red VanVleet a lot as well 584 00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:09.679 too. Scottie Barnes is still very has a lot to go in terms of 585 00:39:09.719 --> 00:39:14.079 his offensive development before he could even sniff that, and I don't know that 586 00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:16.199 he'll ever beat that either as well. So that brings you to the other 587 00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:19.360 question. It's like, all right, well, can you just be this 588 00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:23.280 team that does it by a certain level of depth with really good, even 589 00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:28.719 all star talented players on your roster, but the other pieces that complement those 590 00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:31.480 all star pieces to make your team that much better. So I think you 591 00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:37.400 were onto something with Maybe it is the moving of VanVleet or moving on from 592 00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:40.000 him and whatever that lultimate looks like, or moving on and obe and getting 593 00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:43.599 pieces that ultimately surround them, because I don't think you're gonna be able to 594 00:39:43.639 --> 00:39:45.360 move Siakam. He's going to make thirty seven thirt eight million dollars over here, 595 00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:49.639 you know, each for the next two seasons or whatever. Scottie Barnes 596 00:39:49.719 --> 00:39:52.159 is a talent who they still obviously want to develop, right and he still 597 00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:54.559 will be going into year three. So I think those are your quote unquote 598 00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:58.519 building blocks for now. But I don't know if you're looking for the Raptors 599 00:39:58.599 --> 00:40:02.480 to suddenly develop or have a superstar, I don't know that that's in their 600 00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:06.239 in their makeup right now. I mean, and you could say the same 601 00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:08.280 thing for we're not going to talk about them here today, but the Nicks 602 00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:13.679 are doing that without a true superstar. Brunson and Randall are really great players, 603 00:40:13.679 --> 00:40:15.960 are really good players, all star level players, but they're not superstars. 604 00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:20.599 So I think it's about roster construction, coaching, and that allows you 605 00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:22.039 to get to whatever level of success. And then yeah, there's a cap 606 00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:25.639 on that you know, there is you know, like traditionally, but sometimes 607 00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:29.480 you catch lightning the bottle and I think that's where the Raptors will ultimately we 608 00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:34.400 try to go with their team absolutely shall I think that sounded like a really 609 00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:37.920 good eulogy. Like I think, at the end of the day, the 610 00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:42.199 one thing that we have properly assessed is this is going to be a competitive 611 00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:45.880 basketball team. Let's not doubt that. Let's not even question that. And 612 00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:49.920 I think as long as the Raptors continue to hang around in the Atlantic Division, 613 00:40:50.239 --> 00:40:52.000 that other teams are going to force them to have to make sure that 614 00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:55.320 they step up because they don't want to look bad. Right. But I 615 00:40:55.400 --> 00:40:59.079 do think that there's going to have to be a lot of questions answered in 616 00:40:59.159 --> 00:41:04.800 this offseason, and part of losing Nick Nurse, I think has accelerated a 617 00:41:04.840 --> 00:41:08.079 lot of those questions now more than ever about what kind of clock you know? 618 00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:13.119 Um, the Raptors are actually gonna be on your tune to the baseline 619 00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:19.800 Callie Warrenshaw discussing the hot button topics of the NBA are coveted autopsy reports coming 620 00:41:19.960 --> 00:41:23.000 up, We're gonna be talking about the other team that's out there in the 621 00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:28.519 Atlantic Division to Brooklyn Nets, how good is their future? How bright is 622 00:41:28.519 --> 00:41:30.199 their future? And I know I didn't mention them as well too. Are 623 00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:35.599 they gonna be neck and neck abong chasing for the bottom? 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You know, Shaw, 657 00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:02.320 one of the things that I found interesting about, you know, the 658 00:44:02.320 --> 00:44:07.559 Brooklynness is the narrative about this is that, you know, obviously the team 659 00:44:07.599 --> 00:44:15.039 got helped by the uh the record uh prior to the trade deadline with Kyrie 660 00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:19.760 Irving and and Kevin Durant, allowing them to basically be sixteen I think sixteen 661 00:44:19.800 --> 00:44:24.000 games fourteen sixteen games, about five hundred something like that. Um, yeah, 662 00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:30.000 there were there were ten eleven games about so listen. At the end 663 00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:35.440 of the day. While I understand that, you know, they got helped 664 00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:39.599 and they didn't have such a great record, the team still finished forty five 665 00:44:39.639 --> 00:44:45.239 and thirty seven. Okay. Um, given that kind of movement for a 666 00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:51.920 team where essentially three fifths of your starting rotation is gone, it's just like 667 00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:55.559 poof disappear, you still manage to have in above five hundred records, you 668 00:44:55.559 --> 00:45:01.159 still manage to be a top six team in the Eastern Ofference. That to 669 00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:05.760 me, I think you could spell out as a positive victory, no, 670 00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:15.000 or is this fool's gold that we're talking about. Um, it's it's like 671 00:45:15.800 --> 00:45:17.880 it's in the middle of So the team was eleven and thirteen, um after 672 00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:22.000 they All Star break, so two games below. A lot of that is 673 00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:23.000 you know, strength of schedule, looks at exciter, so a lot of 674 00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:27.199 factors coming into that, got to learn new systems, continuity, moving guys 675 00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:30.599 around, so you know, not trying to read too much into that. 676 00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:35.719 But at the same time, this is an average basketball team without early level 677 00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:39.400 talent. So it's good as Ridges was and you know his three point celebration 678 00:45:39.519 --> 00:45:44.280 and all of those great things. Um, this is a team that still 679 00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:46.639 needs to figure out how they're going to develop and get better moving forward. 680 00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:50.199 You know, again, I think I will continue to think the praises of 681 00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:54.159 Jacque Vaughan here, but he continues to get dealt a hand that is harder 682 00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:59.159 to deal with that he really has to use his coaching acumen to figure out 683 00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:02.840 right, well, how do I make this roster different better and extrapolate the 684 00:46:02.840 --> 00:46:07.280 most amount of talent. So with the various draft picks coming in and out 685 00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:10.199 versus the various deals they've made over the course of the years, they have 686 00:46:10.239 --> 00:46:15.559 some things at their disposure here one key thing, and you know, you 687 00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:20.840 know, I don't want to get into overall tangent about it, but something 688 00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:23.119 has to give with Ben Simmons, whatever that is. Something has to happen 689 00:46:23.159 --> 00:46:27.760 there because that's obviously a lot of money on your books and whether you feel 690 00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:30.840 like you can utilize them as a high price guy coming off the bench in 691 00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:34.440 whatever capacity. I don't know that he can fit into our starter's role here 692 00:46:34.800 --> 00:46:37.639 or not. But that's that's a conversation they really have to have with both 693 00:46:37.719 --> 00:46:42.639 Ben and themselves as an organization moving forward. But Joe Harris, like, 694 00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:45.039 what's the saddest of him? He's still under contract? Can you move that 695 00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:49.760 deal? Not really getting much much run out here, Seth Curry is going 696 00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:52.800 to be a free agent. Cameron Johnson is probably like, yeah, f 697 00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:55.320 this on out, uh, you know, because anytime he gets you know, 698 00:46:55.360 --> 00:46:59.119 thirty minutes a night, he's putting up forty points a game. So 699 00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:01.920 can you figure out wolf for him where he can be a super sub coming 700 00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:04.800 off the bench, or is he just like, listen, I'm moving on 701 00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:07.599 to greener pastures. I'm not a part of this roster moving forward. He 702 00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:10.400 still needs some size behind Nick Lackston. You know, they I think they 703 00:47:10.440 --> 00:47:14.760 signed uh Moses Moses Brown, I think to come in. He didn't really 704 00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:16.079 do much for them, you know, ultimately, but there's a lot of 705 00:47:16.119 --> 00:47:20.840 holes, but a lot of great things, right, And then I said 706 00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:22.679 all that, and uh, sorry, I said Cameron Johnson. I was 707 00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:27.480 talking about, I said, Cameron Johnson, I met camp Thomas Thomason about 708 00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:30.400 to say. I was like, okay, yeah, so yeah, Cam, 709 00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:35.320 okay, yeah, but but but Cam Thomas is somebody as well too 710 00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:37.679 well who is under contract. And they're like, all right, well he 711 00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:40.440 doesn't get he doesn't get any runs, so you know, can you can 712 00:47:40.480 --> 00:47:45.000 you parlay him into maybe another draft pick that you can flip. That's my 713 00:47:45.199 --> 00:47:49.039 circumstance though, I mean, because the minutes you brought in, dim witty, 714 00:47:49.440 --> 00:47:52.559 his minutes got eaten up. That's just that's just what it is. 715 00:47:52.599 --> 00:47:54.559 Unfortune, not even the same position. Just but again, by virtue of 716 00:47:54.679 --> 00:48:00.280 playing you know, guys out on the at the guard position in any capacity, 717 00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:02.000 you know. And then because camera Johnson give does give you a little 718 00:48:02.039 --> 00:48:05.440 bit of defense not a little bit, but a decent amount of defense into 719 00:48:05.679 --> 00:48:07.480 inditional what he does, he just more season Camera Johnson twenty seven, Camp 720 00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:13.159 Thomas is twenty one. Um, they they they just I think they're gonna 721 00:48:13.159 --> 00:48:16.199 want to. But Johnson is a guy who probably could go, but they 722 00:48:16.199 --> 00:48:20.039 don't have the ability to just figure it out. And I don't know if 723 00:48:20.039 --> 00:48:22.960 he'd be willing to do a sign in trade or not, but I'm sure 724 00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:24.679 they wish they had a couple more years of his contract on the books where 725 00:48:24.719 --> 00:48:28.800 they could potentially flip him and get assets. But because he is a free 726 00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:31.400 agent, that prosit that causes some problems for them, you know, going 727 00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:37.159 into this into this offseason. So I do love what Jacques Von has been 728 00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:40.280 able to do, but this roster is not as good as its overall record. 729 00:48:40.760 --> 00:48:45.320 Um. And while they play hard, and these are I don't want, 730 00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:49.239 I don't want. The word is is negative by by connotation, but 731 00:48:49.280 --> 00:48:52.920 they're quote unquote cast offs who who don't feel like they should be treated as 732 00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:57.800 such. During even Jornan Finney Smith, get capable NBA player, capable NBA 733 00:48:57.800 --> 00:49:00.559 player, But none of these guys are going to get you too forty five 734 00:49:00.639 --> 00:49:02.960 or fifty wins next year if this team comes, just runs it back, 735 00:49:04.079 --> 00:49:07.360 especially with Devin Simmons situation. Loo. Yeah, so you bring up a 736 00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:10.400 lot of great points. And I don't want to go too much on a 737 00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:14.599 tangent, but I will say this the one main thing that I want to 738 00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:19.880 tell people, I would be very, very cautious about the hype that people 739 00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:23.480 have about Michael Bridges. I think Micaal Bridges is going to be a great 740 00:49:23.519 --> 00:49:29.599 player, maybe even a star, I don't know. But he is a 741 00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:34.639 volume guy and I witnessed this a lot. Maybe part of it is because 742 00:49:34.679 --> 00:49:38.559 of the burden that is on his shoulders to go out there and execute and 743 00:49:38.679 --> 00:49:44.559 score. I think people in Brooklyn got used to so much of the effective 744 00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:49.079 and efficiency of having a Kevin Durant who can get you thirty points with less 745 00:49:49.079 --> 00:49:53.559 than twelve shots, essentially, right, That's not Michaal Bridge's style of play, 746 00:49:53.840 --> 00:49:58.360 right. He has got He's a volume shooter. He's got to take 747 00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:01.760 shots. And I think if you are Jacque Vaughan and you're saying, okay, 748 00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:06.039 and you're Sean Marks, and you're you're essentially saying, we're gonna keep 749 00:50:06.039 --> 00:50:09.320 this piece. You better make sure that you've got quality guys that can rebound 750 00:50:09.320 --> 00:50:15.519 to basketball, quality guys that can allow for that kind of volume shooting to 751 00:50:15.760 --> 00:50:19.719 not get in the way of what other guys are going to have to contribute 752 00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:23.360 on Michal Bridges part. Okay, while he's a great two way player, 753 00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:30.079 you also are asking of that from him, you know, And so that 754 00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:34.519 that, to me is part of where my concern is is that unless he 755 00:50:34.719 --> 00:50:39.239 dramatically shows that he can be a more efficient score for the Brooklyn Nets, 756 00:50:40.239 --> 00:50:45.159 this team is not constructed where there's going to be success. Given the type 757 00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:50.679 of scorer you're gonna get from Michale Bridges, you got a lot of pieces 758 00:50:50.760 --> 00:50:53.400 that I think are gonna wind up kind of withering away. Joe Harris's the 759 00:50:53.480 --> 00:50:59.280 Seth curries, even maybe Spencer Dinwi. I don't know if the dynamic of 760 00:50:59.360 --> 00:51:05.039 Dinwitty and and and Bridges is going to be as effective for this team moving 761 00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:07.440 forward. So it'll be very interesting to see what is going to take place. 762 00:51:07.480 --> 00:51:10.320 Because to your point, y'all, this team is the way that they're 763 00:51:10.320 --> 00:51:15.880 constructed. While you got got a bunch of hustlers, they all seem to 764 00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:20.079 be hustling in very different directions, not one completely cohesive. And I would 765 00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:22.239 not put that on jacqu Vaughn to be the type of person to figure all 766 00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:25.760 of that stuff out, um, because this team is not going to be 767 00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:30.079 constructed. It's going to be yielded for success for his part, let alone 768 00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:34.280 for the players individually. Yeah. Well, I like what you're saying that 769 00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:37.719 you don't want to be too much for a prisoner of the moment. But 770 00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:40.239 in the in the sample size in the regular season, you know, Bridges 771 00:51:40.320 --> 00:51:44.800 was twenty six points per game, right, his defense was still top notch. 772 00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:49.360 Then when the Sixers defense keyed in on him, that dropped down to 773 00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:52.400 twenty three points per game and was a certain level of efficiency. So while 774 00:51:52.840 --> 00:51:55.360 a lot of people say, yeah, Bridges is the next guy, He's 775 00:51:55.440 --> 00:52:00.440 he's a star, he's all of that, I probably I want to see 776 00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:02.400 it over an eighty two games Temple, you know. And I'm not trying 777 00:52:02.400 --> 00:52:06.800 to say he's not better than he showed in Phoenix. I'm not saying he's 778 00:52:06.800 --> 00:52:08.920 not even a twenty plus point per game guy. I just don't know if 779 00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:13.320 he's the building block that maybe some people are going to try to make him 780 00:52:13.320 --> 00:52:15.519 out to be off after seeing somebody average twenty six a game. Twenty six 781 00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:17.960 a game is like Jaylen Brown numbers, you know what I mean, Like 782 00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:22.199 that's really really good basketball and you get the defense on top of it. 783 00:52:23.239 --> 00:52:29.599 I think there is some level of schematics that that played in his to his 784 00:52:29.639 --> 00:52:32.840 advantage here, and then maybe some even overlooking and not thinking all right this 785 00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:37.159 like they had to really worry about this guy. So he's gonna be a 786 00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:38.920 twenty point per game guy with I think without question. But at the end 787 00:52:38.920 --> 00:52:43.920 of the day, Brooklyn ultimately decides can they hitch their wagon to him as 788 00:52:43.960 --> 00:52:46.960 the building block as you alluded to, even alongside Dinwitty, who will be 789 00:52:47.039 --> 00:52:50.119 up after next year. So I don't think, you know, that's a 790 00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:52.440 long term situation, even in his second stint. But the other guy, 791 00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:55.840 it's a supplemental pieces, you know. It is the Dorrian Finney Smith is 792 00:52:55.840 --> 00:52:59.559 the royce o'neils of the world. Yes, you got great production on our 793 00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:01.920 next Claxton, but all right, can you can you get that again next 794 00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:05.599 year? And do you want to be playing him thirty plus minutes a night 795 00:53:05.599 --> 00:53:07.519 and just kind of forcing him, force feeding him minutes as a result. 796 00:53:08.239 --> 00:53:13.639 So again, with some draft picks and the need and want to be better, 797 00:53:13.880 --> 00:53:16.920 especially in a market that needs and wants you to be better, I 798 00:53:16.920 --> 00:53:21.280 think you're going to see the Brooklyn Nets be very active in a lot of 799 00:53:21.280 --> 00:53:23.400 ways and trying to make a lot of moves to improve this roster, as 800 00:53:23.400 --> 00:53:27.039 I mean, as all teams do, but they just have a little bit 801 00:53:27.079 --> 00:53:30.960 more incentive to do so because they do have a couple of good pieces and 802 00:53:30.079 --> 00:53:34.000 a really good coach in addition to some draft equity that some of the teams 803 00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:37.360 may ultimately want. I want to highlight really quick on the Nicholas Clackson point 804 00:53:37.400 --> 00:53:39.960 that you made Shaw, so you listen, he had a he had a 805 00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:45.119 good season, a really good season I think by all accounts, because of 806 00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:52.360 you know how he's come, how he's emerged, sort of speak like he 807 00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:58.159 didn't come in like on the map as being like this completely great player. 808 00:53:58.199 --> 00:54:00.679 I mean, he obviously had to develop his skill set to even be at 809 00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:07.400 a level where he is able to be a presence amongst those centers in the 810 00:54:07.559 --> 00:54:10.119 in the Eastern Conference. I'm keeping it strictly within the East. I will 811 00:54:10.159 --> 00:54:14.800 say this, though, Shaw, you cannot tell me that Nicholas Claxton is 812 00:54:14.840 --> 00:54:19.039 capable of being able to hold his own if he's going to be dealing on 813 00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:22.119 a night in a night app basis with the likes of Joel Embiide, time 814 00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:28.199 Lord Pascal Siakam right, Like, there's going to have to be another step 815 00:54:28.239 --> 00:54:31.599 in his evolution, whether that's his ability to get bigger, like you know, 816 00:54:31.880 --> 00:54:37.320 bulk up a little bit, or his ability to be able to show 817 00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:43.000 that he can hold his own, stay out of foul trouble and be a 818 00:54:43.039 --> 00:54:49.039 significant contributor on both not both sides of basketball, but from a rebounding perspective, 819 00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:51.960 defensive, you know, principle's perspective. It's kind of like what we 820 00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:54.719 had questioned about Time Lord. Okay, so I'll be interested to see what 821 00:54:54.760 --> 00:54:59.039 happens with Nicholas Claxton, because you know, you're beginning to see this, 822 00:54:59.039 --> 00:55:02.760 this this idea. Jacques ban was toying with it because he had no choice 823 00:55:04.039 --> 00:55:07.599 of running out this uber small lineup, you know, and trying to create 824 00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:09.760 chaos against the likes of a team like the Philadelphia seventy six. Is the 825 00:55:09.800 --> 00:55:14.920 problem is, no matter what you do, you cannot match up for a 826 00:55:14.960 --> 00:55:19.239 guy who's seven foot tall that can shoot the basketball or a guy thatt seven 827 00:55:19.280 --> 00:55:23.679 foot tall that has the ability to outrebound you and give their team second chance 828 00:55:23.679 --> 00:55:28.119 opportunities, which I think is going to be a compromise situation for a guy 829 00:55:28.119 --> 00:55:30.760 like Nicholas Claxton, you know at times. So it'll be interesting to see 830 00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:36.000 what happens of this. But again, a lot of it is roster construction. 831 00:55:36.280 --> 00:55:39.400 You could probably get away with that if the rest of the other supplemental 832 00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:43.119 parts are helping to make up for what you know. You're not going to 833 00:55:43.159 --> 00:55:46.480 be able to get from Nicholas Claxton immediately as he continues to grow and get 834 00:55:46.519 --> 00:55:51.079 better because of the fact that he is a very young budding center in this 835 00:55:51.159 --> 00:55:55.320 league. That's what I'm saying. I think you were able to get pretty 836 00:55:55.440 --> 00:55:59.400 much Pete Claxton. I don't know how much better is going to get. 837 00:55:59.440 --> 00:56:02.239 You'd hope he has a little bit more touch around the rim and even outside, 838 00:56:02.400 --> 00:56:05.679 you know, maybe even ten to twelve feet you know, to do 839 00:56:05.719 --> 00:56:07.679 some picking pops. But he's primarily a lot of threat offensive rebound, put 840 00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:10.559 back type guy right now, there's nothing wrong with that. Many guys that 841 00:56:10.679 --> 00:56:15.159 made her career doing exactly that, But I think Brooklyn made me a little 842 00:56:15.159 --> 00:56:20.119 bit more. Or even if it is just if you find somebody in free 843 00:56:20.119 --> 00:56:23.159 agency, trade, whatever it is, that maybe not just gives you a 844 00:56:23.159 --> 00:56:25.920 different look off the bench, right And I don't think you're you're your big 845 00:56:25.960 --> 00:56:29.760 men all have to be the exact same way. You can guys who play 846 00:56:29.760 --> 00:56:31.280 your lineups a little bit different. So maybe you have you bring a five 847 00:56:31.320 --> 00:56:35.079 in who is a little bit more stretchy, but who can still give you 848 00:56:35.119 --> 00:56:38.679 some rebounding and hopefully some defensive metrics as well too. To me, Brooklyn 849 00:56:38.760 --> 00:56:42.400 is again we say this all about a lot of boys teams where they're not 850 00:56:42.400 --> 00:56:45.719 destitute, but they do have a They have a lot of interesting directions in 851 00:56:45.840 --> 00:56:49.719 which they could go, and they could and they could very rail at this 852 00:56:49.880 --> 00:56:52.599 up like they really could and fall back. And I think the worst mistake 853 00:56:52.599 --> 00:56:55.000 would be to be standing pat and just say, hey, well, this 854 00:56:55.079 --> 00:56:59.159 was a great story. And that's it's kind of the situation. When you 855 00:56:59.159 --> 00:57:04.079 have guys that are off in that way, at some point the good story 856 00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:09.480 runs out because expectations seep in and they're just there's just not the workquisite talent 857 00:57:09.559 --> 00:57:13.800 to be able to make a better story than like, oh that was cool. 858 00:57:14.079 --> 00:57:16.000 Hey you ever twenty six a game these last twenty games of the year. 859 00:57:16.159 --> 00:57:20.119 Oh that's awesome, But are you superstar? Can you lead a team 860 00:57:20.159 --> 00:57:22.280 into the playoffs? Can lead team and not be you know what? To 861 00:57:22.360 --> 00:57:24.960 me? Again, they were the sixth seed, but probably were more like 862 00:57:25.000 --> 00:57:29.760 an eight seed or playing team really, and if you bring this roster back 863 00:57:29.800 --> 00:57:32.440 as currently constructed, there's a very very good likelihood and that's where they'll be 864 00:57:32.519 --> 00:57:36.679 in the playing game next year and maybe even out of the playoffs, depending 865 00:57:36.679 --> 00:57:42.039 on how other rosters and matchups go. So Brooklyn, hey, it's it's 866 00:57:42.079 --> 00:57:46.239 not bad. Obviously, the Katie Kyrie era really really ruined things and ruined 867 00:57:46.280 --> 00:57:51.679 expectations. But you have to move on from that. There's just no choice. 868 00:57:51.719 --> 00:57:53.960 Like the basketball doesn't stop, so you can't cry over spilled milkcare. 869 00:57:54.000 --> 00:57:57.960 You got to keep things pushing. And a lot of that too has alluded 870 00:57:58.000 --> 00:58:00.960 to, not only with the Ben Simmons situation, but it is a Cameron 871 00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:05.320 Johnson sum tuations. Even the Camp Thomas situation how do you get better from 872 00:58:05.360 --> 00:58:08.159 here? With the draft equity that you have and the players that ultimately may 873 00:58:08.199 --> 00:58:10.280 be interested coming to New York to play anyway? But how do you make 874 00:58:10.320 --> 00:58:13.800 that all work from a solid cap stampoint? Final final question for you, 875 00:58:13.880 --> 00:58:16.719 Sean. Do you think Sean marks made up for you know, essentially what 876 00:58:16.960 --> 00:58:21.920 he's gonna be or hasn't been? Yeah, so okay, no, no, 877 00:58:22.159 --> 00:58:24.039 and and and and and it's not for lack of effort. I think 878 00:58:24.079 --> 00:58:30.039 it's just it's just such a monumental just fall and failure on on all sides. 879 00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:31.519 Everybody plays a part in it. He played a major part in it 880 00:58:31.599 --> 00:58:36.199 as well, So he's got a lot more to do before he can make 881 00:58:36.320 --> 00:58:38.079 up for that. Do you think he'll be here in order to to to 882 00:58:38.280 --> 00:58:40.639 figure out a way to kind of do that or No. That's a really 883 00:58:40.719 --> 00:58:44.440 great question, you know, I think that's a really great question. This 884 00:58:44.519 --> 00:58:50.440 summer will probably be a huge bridge one way other. You know, it's 885 00:58:50.480 --> 00:58:52.519 the fork in the road for him. Either you're going to hell or maybe 886 00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:57.840 you're going to purgatory. You know, I wouldn't even say even him a 887 00:58:57.920 --> 00:59:02.920 highway to heaven purgatory. I can't even say happen, because what happened with 888 00:59:04.000 --> 00:59:08.480 this Kyrie KD James Harden situation is it's it's an epic failure. So is 889 00:59:08.559 --> 00:59:13.800 he moving in the right direction, sure, but it's surely it's baby steps 890 00:59:14.199 --> 00:59:15.599 that it's going to take a very, very long time I think for the 891 00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:20.599 Brooklyn faith Ball to forgive the transgressions of the past. Here. Oh my 892 00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:24.239 goodness, man, you talk about a rugby shot. Ask me, man, 893 00:59:24.920 --> 00:59:28.599 I'm just trying to tell the truth and listen. This is why we 894 00:59:28.800 --> 00:59:31.360 this is why we do eulogies, right, I didn't know further or not. 895 00:59:31.480 --> 00:59:37.320 You were given one for the team of Shaw Marks. Oh man, 896 00:59:37.400 --> 00:59:39.760 awesome show. This week's Sean Man. So much good stuff, um, 897 00:59:40.320 --> 00:59:45.719 tidbits of information and just flavorful things. Man. With regards to both teams 898 00:59:45.800 --> 00:59:49.920 again in the same division, both obviously got outsted really in the same kind 899 00:59:49.960 --> 00:59:54.880 of fashion, unceremoniously, but um, it's obvious. Man. It yields 900 00:59:54.920 --> 01:00:00.760 for us to keep our full attention on what offseason are going to have to 901 01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:06.400 be decided upon and ultimately made before we start buying into the viability of both 902 01:00:06.480 --> 01:00:10.320 of these teams repeating themselves. Possibly there's you know, next season to do 903 01:00:10.679 --> 01:00:15.239 not the same, if not better. Uh, you know, as far 904 01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:20.280 as their abilities to hang and compete and maintain in this Eastern Conference, gone, 905 01:00:20.320 --> 01:00:22.840 yeah, I mean it's teams with talent, you know, and at 906 01:00:22.920 --> 01:00:25.039 least that's like they have that they have some starting point in terms of time, 907 01:00:25.079 --> 01:00:30.000 and both of them different starting points and even different draft equity. And 908 01:00:30.039 --> 01:00:34.800 now Toronto has a problem not even having a head coach, and that ultimately 909 01:00:34.880 --> 01:00:37.280 will help them decide the direction that they go. But two really great teams 910 01:00:37.400 --> 01:00:42.000 that I think again, uh, there's always a hope of the next season, 911 01:00:42.360 --> 01:00:45.199 and if they can get a couple things right, they can both be 912 01:00:45.559 --> 01:00:47.559 firmly planted in the playoff conversation, not even the plant if they can get 913 01:00:47.599 --> 01:00:50.800 some things right. But that's a big if. And you know, you're 914 01:00:50.840 --> 01:00:53.239 competing against what thirteen other teams you know, within within the conference who were 915 01:00:53.239 --> 01:00:58.719 trying to do the exact same thing. But I like where Brooklyn and Toronto 916 01:00:58.800 --> 01:01:01.039 are both that for right now, um, and hopefully they will make the 917 01:01:01.079 --> 01:01:04.679 records of decisions that that put them in a position to be better than they 918 01:01:04.719 --> 01:01:07.800 were the species. I really want to see who takes it that that that 919 01:01:07.960 --> 01:01:13.239 step forward, that leap forward, right Bridges or Siakam or Barnes or Johnson 920 01:01:13.559 --> 01:01:15.880 if they're I don't know if you can get another letter letter level out of 921 01:01:15.920 --> 01:01:19.360 Siakam though, I mean at twenty five. That's what I'm saying. I 922 01:01:20.559 --> 01:01:24.519 would be very interested to see if if that in and of itself could possibly 923 01:01:24.559 --> 01:01:28.320 happen. No listening, So we've seen, we've seen the crazy, right 924 01:01:28.519 --> 01:01:31.320 like you know what I'm saying, but you're saying, the likelihood of it 925 01:01:31.599 --> 01:01:36.480 happening is very you know what I'm saying, minimal, Like you're not on 926 01:01:36.559 --> 01:01:38.039 the you're not a ride in the belief train. But I want to buy 927 01:01:38.119 --> 01:01:43.039 I want to buy into the idea that somebody is gonna try to take that 928 01:01:43.199 --> 01:01:46.360 step forward and and and and elevate themselves into me. These are the only 929 01:01:46.360 --> 01:01:51.119 options that we've got, you know what I'm saying, Unless somebody makes a 930 01:01:51.239 --> 01:01:54.599 move, so it nonetheless, it's it's gonna be musty. TV. Didn't 931 01:01:54.599 --> 01:01:58.679 know of how you slice it, Yes, sir, absolutely all right. 932 01:01:58.719 --> 01:02:00.719 Once again, man, we appreciate you and yours for hopping overboard with this 933 01:02:00.880 --> 01:02:05.639 this week. For the baseline, Kylie Warrent, yall, we appreciate you 934 01:02:05.760 --> 01:02:08.000 guys. You know we do. We'll catch up with you next time.