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Hi everyone. This is Christina and
this is Spooky Tells. Today we are

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doing part two of Gloria Trevi and
there's no MG again, but I have

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two amazing guests today. Lady's back
Hello, back again, and Carmen and

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me. I'm here. We had
our We already had our awkward encounter.

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You guys, you missed all of
it. They already fought and I was

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like, have you heard of me? And she's like, yeah, okay,

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cool, how's it going? But
I can share the spotlight, so

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it's okay, thank you better than
me, that's for sure. Oh yeah,

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sorry, I'm like, oh it's
lee at night and I'm tired,

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but you can't take her meds.
No, They're like they're worn out by

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now, so it's yeah, so
basically yeah, I didn't take them and

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so I'm very tired. There we
are, Yes, here we are for

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part two. But first a listener
story and Lany so kindly let us borrow

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one of her listeners stories again.
But if you have a story that you

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want to send into the podcast,
you can email at Spooky Tales at gmail

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dot com. You can dm us
on any of our socials. You can

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record a voice note and attach that
to an email. You can also call

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the Espooky hotline dot numbers in the
show notes because I don't know it.

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And yeah, I think that's everything. That's it. Yeah, so let's

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hear this listener story. Okay,
So last time I was on, I

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had Amelia. I shared her story, and I just remembered she had a

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part two, so we can kind
of have a conclusion to Amelia's you know,

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paranormal experiences. So she says,
Hey, it's Amelia again. I

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sent the story about the Rockman,
and I'm here to talk about my childhood

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spirits that you seem to be curious
about and a few extra paranormal experiences I've

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had as a medium. So I
completely forgot she was a medium too until

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just now. Wow. So first
is the Gray Man. I think she

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mentioned him in the last episode and
the next ghost that she sees too,

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but she just briefly talked about them, like said their name and that was

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it, but focused mostly on the
rock Man. Lots of man's here,

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yes, lots of men invading this
child's space. Oh man, typical even

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in the afterlife. Wow, they
don't get better in the afterlife. This

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is like worse because of like that
what recovery? Oh, I know,

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right. Also, let's disclaim her
too, because I like, I'm a

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like a jokey, laughing kind of
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But like, I don't think I
just in case because you guys seem to

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sometimes get those people that like to
call you out for random things that like

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normal people do all the time.
True. True, Yeah, So let's

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just disclaim her now and say,
like, we're not making fun of the

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situation or anything like that. Like
obviously we take it seriously, which is

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why we're covering it to spread awareness, especially for people who don't know about

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this. You know, it's a
pretty tragic case altogether, so and serious

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topics, but for me, levity
helps me be able to get through it

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without it being such a draining topic. Just on your own energy. Yes,

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same with me and Carmen. I
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she just started eating. She's like, mm hmmm, no, I'm not

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eating. I have Yeah, Okay, so she says, first, the

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gray Man, I was one to
three while I experience these things. I

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lived in South Dakota during this time. The gray Man had a gray green

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blue pale skin color. He had
messy white hair. Along with the short,

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untamed beard. He had long fingernails
that curled in I'd say maybe four

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inches long. While I would sleep, he would poke my palms and my

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underfoot. He would do that until
I would wake up, only to see

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him for a small fraction of a
second. My aunt lived with me during

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this time, and she has told
me about the times I would sleep walk

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talking about the gray man. I
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To get to her room, I
would have had to get out of my

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secured crib, open the door without
my mom hearing me, walk up seven

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stairs, get to the foyer,
walk up seven more steps, turn left,

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walk about ten feet, turn left
into her room. My aunt told

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me while I was sleepwalking, I
sang, there's a man in Auntie's room,

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and he's what gray? I don't
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drop a few octaves, So that's
what and I turned around, walked downstairs

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and fell back asleep. Mind you, this is during the witching hour,

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which she says is midnight. I
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twelve to three am. It's midnight, two three am or something like that.

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No, yeah, anytime a child
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is walking out of their crib singing
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and which is really inappropriate. Yeah, yeah, you're right, you're

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right, And I would like it
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m no, nope, nope.
And I have cameras in my house like

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inside now, so that would like
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I don't want to watch it.
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It's like paranormal activity. It's freaky, okay. So then her second

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ghost is Little That was her name. I saw her during the same time

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of my life as the Gray Man. Somehow I know that she is eight

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years old. She wore a white
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length, straight blonde hair, and
covered in blood. She liked to stand

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in corners where a light couldn't reach, or at the top of the stairs.

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She would stare at me and scream. While she let out these blood

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curdling screams, she never looked scared, only her mouth was open and her

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eyes seemed dead. Disturbing. This
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just serving than the one three year
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don't think that she wasn't scared,
She's just scareaming. It reminds me of

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what's that girl from The Ring or
whatever. There's that little other movie that's

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kind of like a trilogy of The
Ring. I don't know, I haven't

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seen it. She's just like screams. Yes, I think it's the precursor

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to The Ring. Yeah, freaky
because it was like what a Japanese folklore

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tale or something of that nature,
not like that. That was freaking Okay.

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So third and final. Many years
after this happened and of moving to

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different states, I moved back to
the same house in South Dakota and I'm

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currently living there. I don't see
the Gray Man or Little anymore, but

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I experience new things in this house
all the time. Since I'm a medium,

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I talk to them in ways that
most people can't. I recently met

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a girl I do not know her
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eighteen sixties during the war between white
men and indigenous tribes in South Dakota.

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She is Native eighteen or nineteen years
old and has been watching over the house

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before it was even built, meaning
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believe she was part of the flund
drou tribe. She is kind and protects

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me, my girlfriend and my roommate
slash best friend. I speak to her

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using dowsing rods and a spirit box, but I will never use a wija

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board. I'm sure I will send
in some more stories of new experiences with

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the spirits in my house, but
that's all for now, and I think

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that's enough. She sounds so nice. She deserves a nice ghost after where

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she's been throwed. Yeah, oh
my god, right, imagine no peace

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for yourself even when you're a baby. Oh my god, no, right,

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like when you should be like totally
unaware of like your life around you

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and the surroundings, like you just
are plagued by ghosts, and then a

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girl screaming in the middle of the
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I hate it. Also so wild
that her memory starts then, because

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the first thing I remember is like
fourth grade. Well, remember she said

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the first she had a haunt.
She has a photographic memory, so she

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like remembers everything so specifically, which
also sucks. Yep, I would not

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want that. I would want that, but not for ghosts, right,

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I would want that, but not
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creepy. Well, I guess let's
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part two. Yes, of the
Andrada clan as it's known. Now,

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did you name it or is that
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Oh okay, yeah in Spanish,
I was like, look at you.

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Interesting how her name is first,
it doesn't even alphabetically make sense. And

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also she's not like the main abuser
you know, you know why, right,

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but because she's a woman. Yeah, we just talked about that last

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episode too, where we were like, she's getting more of the flak than

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even Sergio is, and he's literally
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You know, She's gotten trauma from
both sides, like from her family specifically

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her mom and then now Sergio and
then the world. So yeah, she's

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still like still has to be held
accountable, but she's more of a victim

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than Sergerio, like you said,
not more accountable than said and himself,

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which is something I mean, Well, we'll get into it. We'll just

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I'll just start where I left this
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there's so much right and last episode
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long. But something that I left
out is that all the girls that came

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across, there's just so many.
If I had words to name mama,

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we'd be here like ten hours.
Yeah damn, but yeah, there's just

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so many. It's difficult to get
into every single one. A couple of

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Gloria Trevi's younger cousins were recruited by
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Oh, I didn't know that.
I didn't know that either. That's

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so sad, m H. And
I want to say, no, no,

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no, I don't think her younger
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visited them in Brazil. But according
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wanted to say. I think I
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I called her Maria, but it's
Marie. Oh I thought it was Maria

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Bugitas. No, no, no, the actual nickname is Marie Bokitas.

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And the whole time I said Maria, so yes, that is for us.

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Sorry, we'll forgive you, thank
you, thank you. Yes.

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According to Maria Bukitas, Gloria trevis
sister visited them in Brazil, which we'll

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get into. But she was never
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There was another girl, fifteen year
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Paz, Baja, California. And
then there was the La Cuesta sisters who

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also are play a big part in
what happened. So the first the Laquista

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sister was Katya the La Cuesta,
and she met Gloria and one of her

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concerts and they're from Puebla. Katya
la la Cuesta then recruited her younger sister,

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and then they recruited Carola, the
youngest sister, and so there you

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were kind of the ones that set
this new rule and the cult that then

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if there was an older sister,
she was to bring along the younger sisters.

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Oh like that? No, Yeah, highly disturbing. And so they

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were the first sisters. But then
this became a common practice for them to

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either recruit younger sisters or cousins,
which actually Gloria had already done too.

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They all arrived before Marlene and I
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So she was the young thirteen year
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Ernandez who she did it so that
she could uh get her album made and

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oh yeah, yeah yeah and leave
both So yeah, all those things just

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to like highlight the gravity and like
depth of his predatory like behavior. Yes,

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exactly. And all this happens because
the last episode we left off,

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when they were about to all leave
to Spain, everything was kind of falling

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apart for Satiuo Andrade, like Adleen's
book was about to come out. Pati

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Chapoy was speaking about all these things
NonStop on Ventaniando and then the calendar,

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the discussing calendar that came out,
all these things and the rumors were not

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going away. I did. Yeah, I want to mention the other girls

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because all of them were recruited before
Spain, and I didn't mention them last

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episode. There was also concerts two
Fine Gloria trevilokalikes before all this, and

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this was also a way they recruited
more girls, like a front, Yeah,

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like a front, that's the perfect
word for it. And they did

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these in Mexico and also all over
Latin America. So one of these was

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held in Chile and this is where
fifteen year old Editsuniga was recruited. And

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then she brought along her younger sister
whose name I somehow didn't write down,

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so my bad. But those were
the Sunniga sisters and they were recruited from

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Chile and they were also this will
all come back, which is why I

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wanted to mention like even more names, because I think by the time they're

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in Brazil, there's like twelve girls
at least. Yeah, he brought like

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half, I mean like a dozen
or more with them. Yeah, too

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many, too many. So I
know you're not going to get into everybody.

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But what is like the ballpark of
like a number of victims, like

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hundreds, You know, it's hard
to say because some people never came forward,

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but I think we can assume.
Yeah, the main group of girls,

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I want to say, we're probably
fifteen ish that were in the house

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the whole time. But according to
mari Wokitas, girls came and went in

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the house that didn't never stayed,
including like groy Gas cousins. And then

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at the school Marii Bokita's in her
podcast in Brokasrad I mentions like abuse happened

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there too, and they they were
never like living in the house, but

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that was an abuse that happened there
too. So I don't have a number.

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I wish we knew. Actually,
I think it's safe to say hundreds

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for sure, because he had to
have been doing this before hundreds, just

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the access that he had. And
I know you talked about what's her name,

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Lucetto, Lucero. Oh sorry,
she's Lucetto now La back then,

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yeah, Lusetto. And he was
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groomy her, like definitely late twenties, yes, and words that we don't

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know of. So that means if
he was that outright with her, that

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he already had a pattern established at
this point. So who knows how many

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victims he probably had beginning probably from
his teens, yes, because it starts

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young. Yeah yeah, yeah,
and he could have maybe even targeted family

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members because it's easy, true to
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has you know, like you said, hundreds of victims, including likely members

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of his own family. Yes,
which is really even more like devastating because

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it just doesn't stop. You know, there's no end insight or anything like

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that. Even with the focus on
his crimes and stuff, you have to

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imagine like the depth of his depravity
really, and he looks like he is

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a predator. Yeah, yeah,
now I know why his mom liked his

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brother better the shade, and who
knows if his brother's not the same.

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We don't know. We don't know. True, he's a politician, so

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you never know. Yoh. Now, with all that mentioned, all the

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girls I didn't mention in part one, We're going to go back to where

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we were. Gloria had announced at
a concert that she had promised Abiti Madia

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that she wasn't going to sing until
said Kyo had a been cured from cancer,

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and so she was like essentially retiring
until said he was better. This,

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of course was a lie. There
was never any cancer, and really

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things were just heating up for him
in Mexico and he needed to leave like

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as soon as possible, and this
was like a way for them to have

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Gloria, who arguably was the biggest
star in Mexico at the time, away,

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for her to step down from the
limelight and like go into hiding.

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Essentially, like she needed to say
something. She couldn't just disappear, right,

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So this is what she said.
But at the same time it left

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people so confused because it's like,
why would it matter if said he has

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cancer? Who, like, you
know, who cares because they were they

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were also denying their being in a
relationship. Yeah, the relationship for years,

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because what year was it? This
was ninety was it ninety seven or

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ninety six? I lose track of
This had to be ninety six because they

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were hiding for like a year,
and because I know he got married again

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like that the year after whatever,
So I was like, if it was

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before that, so then yeah,
like ninety six and stuff. So wait,

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when did he get married? He
got he he got married like twenty

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When was this time that you're talking
to? Ninety seven? One to Sonya?

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That's right, Sonya and Sonya.
They were already abroad when it happened

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with Sonya. So yeah, so
his last his last wife before Sonya was

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obviously Alene. So oh Alena?
Yeah, why did I add an art

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to her name earlier? No one's
thought, I'll let you do what you

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do. It's your show. It's
your show. Yeah, my bad,

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that was whatever I said. My
bad again, my brain fried. So

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we're here for you. It's okay, thank you, thank you. So

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this was the line they came up
with to have him move, So yeah,

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this must be it must have been
ninety six. So first, said

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Heyo announced that he was leaving with
one of the girls and Gloria to a

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and then he left Mari Borkitas and
Gabriela, another one of the girls in

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charge of like all the bills and
stuff back in Mexico, and just the

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audacity of like this man. And
then not long after said he was sent

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for Marie to get some papers from
him in Argentina and told her that soon

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there would be like a book with
lies by Aline and that she needed to

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go visit her family to kind of
like calm the waters before things blew up

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or whatever. Right, So whenever
the girls visited their families, they had

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to go in pairs. They couldn't
go alone because you know, the system

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he created was for them to spy
on each other, snitch on each other

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if someone was like not acting right, and so this buddy system was for

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them to keep doing that, to
keep spying on each other. So she

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went to see her family with Carla
the La Cuesta. When Mari Wokitas and

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Carla returned to the house that they
had in Mexico, said Heo called her

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that he wanted her and then like
several of the other girls to go to

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Spain, but everyone thought he was
already he was an ascentina, so that

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was like also another like confusing part
of it all. And all the girls

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were doing the same thing, visiting
their family members in pairs to say,

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oh, we're gonna be quote unquote
touring and recording records music and rehearsing,

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yeah, abroad. But it was
a lie. So they did as they

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were told. They went to Spain, and then soon the rest of the

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girls were there, and just the
way that they were, they have been

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referred to this whole time as like
uh n adam, which I don't know

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what the like, a harem thank
you hair exactly the same. It's like,

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I don't know the word in English
for it, it's the same.

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Okay, Yeah, they were all
they were for two as his harem.

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Which is this I don't know,
disturbing to me, yeah, disgusting.

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Yeah. And these are all children, yeah, by the way, so

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not like these can't even be a
harem exactly. The only adults at this

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point are like Gloria, Riya Maddi. And then I want to say Marilene

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is the next oldest one, mm
hmm. And then after that I want

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to say most of them are definitely
twenty and under, then eighteen and under,

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and then there's like a couple that
are fifteen, and then the youngest

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is Karina Yapor he's like fourteen,
yes, fourteen. So they all got

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to Spain. In Spain, said
he'll continued his physical abuse. He starved

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the girls some days, making them
eat nothing but a small piece of bread.

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Other times nearly rotten food that they
got from restaurants. Oh my god,

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like restaurants were about to throw away
their food, and they had to

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go beg for this food and that's
what they ate. I don't think this

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is where he made them beg for
money yet it is? It is,

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okay, yeah, it's before they
went to Brazil. Yeah, okay,

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so yeah, in Spain, they
all had to beg for money, including

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Gloria Trevi. But didn't people recognize
her? Was she cut her hair out?

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Yeah, and then like you know
America. Yeah, and they all

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had raggedy, beat up clothes most
of the time. So yeah, nobody

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recognized her, which is isn't that
crazy? You just like have this globe

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like well, national superstar, not
yet global superstar. No. No,

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she was pretty at least because Spain
is a Spanish speaking country. There's no

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way she wasn't known. Yeah,
but do you think they would have recognized

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her in Spain. I think so
to the extent that they would have in

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Mexico and stuff, or any Latin
American country, I know, any Latin

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American country she was big in.
But honestly, I don't know. I

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feel like Spain is pretty similar,
though I don't know, I've never been.

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I do know a lot of the
art artists that are popular in Latin

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America are usually popular in Spain also, So then yeah, I mean that

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would be crazy to me if I
was seeing like Britney Spears, you know,

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like out on the only equivalent I
have, like out on the street

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being like can you give me like
five pennies or whatever? They use to

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like buy food that they couldn't even
buy because he was always like, you

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can't eat unless I give you permission
to eat. So like it was literally

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just to get money for what to
pay for where they were staying, you

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know. Yeah, So it's all
an exercise and control, that's all it

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is. Because like he had the
he had, Yeah, he was flushed

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with cash for the most part,
right because he was. It's not like

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they're staying in freaking hotels. He's
an old man with like a dozen young

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women and children. So it's not
like he's staying in a freaking hotel.

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Who's going to sit there and go
like why is you know, why are

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and especially with how they look,
you know, they look terrible, they

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look malnourished. Yeah, so there's
there's somewhere hidden, somewhere they're not going

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to be seen. Yeah. Yeah, so he's spending all, like all

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of his money on just like real
estate and and Gloria's money because she's the

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money maker, like one of the
bigger money makers in the group. And

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so yeah, they would eat almost
rotten restaurant food that was about to be

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thrown away. They were forced to
sleep on the floor. They barely ate.

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Actually in this the first time they
were in. For several months,

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they did stay in hotels. He
stayed in a fancy hotel nearby, and

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they were like in a beat up
hotel. Oh my god. His favorite

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girl at the time would be the
one to stay with him in the fancy

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hotel, and tbh, most of
the time it was Gloria Treville. It's

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not a good look. So most
of the time him and Groodia stayed at

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her fancy hotel, and then everyone
else was at the other cheaper hotel and

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they were out eating an actual restaurants. But even then, not all the

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time. She was still subject to
abuse. Yeah, and then it turns

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out while they were there that Karina
Yapo, who was fourteen, was pregnant.

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Noah could tell because she was so
malnourished that none of them were getting

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periods. Her belly wasn't getting that
big, you know, so said he

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sent her to get an abortion,
but then he learned it was going to

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be a girl, and he changed
his mind because then he could make her

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part of the quote unquote family.
And by that he didn't mean his family

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has a daughter. He meant make
her one of the girls. He abused.

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Yeah, we know what he meant. Yeah, yeah, okay.

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I don't like it's going on disturbing. I just it was unnecessary. Whenever

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something is very disturbing, I just
keep talking more, you know, you

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like, explain it more in depth. I think you're trying to intellectualize it

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so that it doesn't seem as you
don't feel the feelings of it. I

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think you're right I think, oh
my god, what is this therapy?

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Well is a social worker. It's
a social work right now. He did

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not agree, like I have to
go to Dan. But no, that's

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that's I mean a great way to
put it too. Truly, I think

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that's really disturbing on something. I
mean in what I do, like in

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terms of the true crime piece,
like unfortunately, cases like this are a

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dime a dozen, you know what
I mean, Like this isn't even the

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depths of depravity that you could get
to, which is even more disturbing and

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shameful. You know. Yeah,
he changed his mind because you know now

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it was the girl, and so
she went back to Spain. At the

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time, in Mexico, rumors continued
to spread, Aileen, oh my fucking

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god, and all my notes I
wrote, isn't her sister Adlene? Is

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that what you're doing that? Or
am I? And R you said Madlene?

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Always mad lenin never mind, I'm
making sure that I'll just put you

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up here the expert way in here. Yeah, Ani, yes, yes,

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it is Alene Alene. Okay,
So Alena's book released, then there

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was an attempt to like bring charges
with it and set you sent Gloria and

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Marie to Mexico to calm these rumors
down. And they had no idea of

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the gravity of the situation that awaited
them in Mexico to the and they were

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just gonna go like, oh,
calm the family down, like they always

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did whenever things happened, Like,
calm their That's what they thought they were

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doing. So they were making rounds
with the press, like press that they

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had never encountered prior to this.
They were denouncing Aline, saying she was

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trying to get money, she was
just doing this for attention, you know,

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the usual talking points. Yeah,
Yeah, survivors are met with and

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at this time they also met with
prosecutors and they had to and they did

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defend Sejio and the charges were dropped. And I guess there was just not

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enough evidence to pursue an actual criminal
case at this point from Alene because she

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submitted her book as evidence and then
the prosecutor threw it out as if her

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word wasn't like enough, So there
was no charges. So before leaving Mexico,

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they stopped with their families, you
know, said like, oh,

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everything's okay. We're just doing this
abroad work recording, we're traveling all lies

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of course, and before heading back
to Spain, Marie was supposed to go

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to Chile to take the Suniga sisters, the ones I mentioned earlier, to

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see their family members because again this
this, these news were it was all

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over Latin America, and so said
he had to try and like calm down

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the families of these other girls that
he had taken, said to himself,

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met them in Chile, and which
is something he never did. He never

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met with the families himself. He
always sent the girls and so that was

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like a sign that it was not
things were not good. And so he

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was in like a hotel by himself
as always with usually with Gloria, and

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then the rest of the girls were
in a separate hotel. While they were

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in these hotels, one of the
Suniga sisters, I'm not sure which one

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tried to escape to go back to
the parents' house. The other one followed,

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so they both went back home.
Basically, oh good. Once he

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noticed they were gone, said yo, Mari, Gloria and maybe some a

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couple more that were with them.
Not everyone everyone else was in Spain except

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the ones in They all like grabbed
all their things and fled Chile because they

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were like oh, they're gonna go
tell the police, and so tho Sunia

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sisters did that. Them and their
parents went to Chilean authorities, but they

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couldn't do anything because these crimes had
taken place in Spain and said he had

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fled. There was nothing that those
Sunia sisters could do. But luckily they

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got away, like at least,
yeah, at some point, this is

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all like convoluted. At some point, Karina had her baby already and they

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were all making rounds to visit families
to calm them down. After Alina's charges

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that didn't happen like fell through.
So Gloria and Karina Yapo were in Chihuahua

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and Marii was from Chile, was
sent back to Spain. And so by

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now Karina's baby had been born,
right, this was all a secret from

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the family. They didn't her family, they didn't know, and so her

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baby boy was left in Spain with
the other girls while Gloria and Karina were

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in Chihuahua. Said here on them
or in Chile, right, and like

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you keeps saying this just to like
put a space where everyone's at because it's

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there's just so much yea, yeah, yeah, yeah. So then Mari

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goes back to Spain, and now
there's different accounts of what happened next.

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The first version I learned is the
following that Mari Bokitas went back to Spain.

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Karina Yapor's baby became sick. She
took him to the hospital and he

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was admitted, and when she tried
to go back to pick him up,

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the hospital wouldn't give him back to
her because she was not the biological parent.

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Right, Katina was in Mexico with
Gloria. They were doing that,

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and then Gloria and Karina left to
wherever else they were, right because there's

407
00:29:42,319 --> 00:29:48,440
so much traveling taking place. So
point is that Karina's not in Spain.

408
00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:55,079
And so then the hospital contacts Karina's
parents that they have their grandchild, which

409
00:29:55,079 --> 00:30:00,680
they didn't even know existed. However, Marie Bokitas has a for an account

410
00:30:00,759 --> 00:30:04,559
of what happened on her podcast in
Boca Sa So and I'm gonna share that

411
00:30:04,599 --> 00:30:07,240
account. It's a little yeah,
and it's a little bit different. There's

412
00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:11,559
parts that are the same. So
she says that while she was sent back

413
00:30:11,559 --> 00:30:15,960
to Spain, she was met with
a horrifying site. Gettina's baby was laying

414
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,480
on the blanket on the floor because
said he didn't allow them to use mattresses

415
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:25,279
and Gettina's baby was very fatigued.
He looked very sick. Said he had

416
00:30:25,319 --> 00:30:29,839
called her and instructed her to get
rid of the baby, leave him something

417
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,640
didn't matter. How leave the baby
with a neighbor if she needed to,

418
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,640
and then head to Argentina where him
and Glodia were at and I maybe Karina

419
00:30:37,799 --> 00:30:41,599
was also with them at that point. So Maddie tried to leave the baby

420
00:30:41,599 --> 00:30:44,920
with the neighbor and the neighbor was
like, you're trying to leave a baby

421
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,799
that's not yours. I'm calling social
services. Maddy left before the neighbor could

422
00:30:48,839 --> 00:30:52,119
call social services. She was like, I'll take the baby myself to social

423
00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:55,559
services. So she took the baby, but she went back home and the

424
00:30:55,599 --> 00:31:00,359
baby was looking worse. And then
Karina tried to go to Spain. They

425
00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:04,640
were set to pick her up from
the airport. And when they were at

426
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:10,359
the airport and they were supposed to
meet Garina, she comes with the security

427
00:31:10,359 --> 00:31:14,759
guard or police officer with her.
It turns out she can't go into Spain

428
00:31:15,319 --> 00:31:19,799
because she overstayed with her tourist visa
and so Maddie and the other girls that

429
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,160
were there, they were begging the
security to let Katina hold her baby,

430
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,119
which she did get to hold the
baby like one last time to say goodbye,

431
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,319
but the whole time Karina was like, said he was gonna kill us.

432
00:31:30,359 --> 00:31:32,799
He's gonna be so mad, He's
gonna be so mad. And then

433
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,839
Karina gets taken out of the country
again and the girls go back to the

434
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,119
house in Spain with the baby.
The baby's still looking sick, and so

435
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,880
Marii calls said he Andrade and tells
him like, hey, the baby's looking

436
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,559
very sick. I want to take
him to the hospital. Please, and

437
00:31:48,599 --> 00:31:52,559
everything any sentence she ever said to
him, she had to say please and

438
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,079
thank you before anything she said.
So she's like, please, can I

439
00:31:56,119 --> 00:32:00,319
take him to the hospital? Thank
you? Like my God. And so

440
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:05,640
she takes the baby to the hospital
and the baby is underweight, he is

441
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,400
fatigu he smel noourished, and so
she begs them to admit the baby and

442
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,880
they do, and then she says, like, I have to leave the

443
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,880
country. His mom's going to be
back to pick him up soon, and

444
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,920
then they all leave. Then that's
her version of it. That's how she

445
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:24,119
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462
00:33:40,079 --> 00:33:49,079
for doing that. I don't believe
that you know how to say, like

463
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,559
the simplest answer is probably the right
answer. Like, that's a lot of

464
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:58,000
excuses for how she gets the baby
to the hospital, on a lot of

465
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,359
like moving parts for how she gets
the baby to the hospital. So I

466
00:34:02,079 --> 00:34:08,039
think this is likely a saving face
because any person would be horrified to hear

467
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:12,840
that because you didn't know how to
take care of an infant or how to

468
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,599
take care of a baby, and
you allowed or you were like so under

469
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:23,000
this coercive control that you didn't feel
the authority of self to like say,

470
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:29,480
whatever's going on with me has to
go away, and this baby's needs supersede,

471
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:32,320
you know what's happening. But when
you have like course of control,

472
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:39,239
you can't do that. So I
think it's probably easier for her to compartmentalize

473
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,639
and say like no, no,
no, all these other things happened,

474
00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:45,159
and then you know, I was
trying to do all these things. It

475
00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:51,920
kind of trying to push away the
fault that lies with her as an adult,

476
00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:57,719
you know, and who's who was, unfortunately the main person who was

477
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,320
in charge of caring for this child. Like she was literally sitting back to

478
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:07,079
take care of the baby that Karina
decided to leave behind. Again not in

479
00:35:07,199 --> 00:35:13,920
a willing mindset because of her being
in the same abusive cycle. But you

480
00:35:14,039 --> 00:35:17,480
know she I mean, like,
I think if she were more honest about

481
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,440
it, because I don't believe that
entire thing. I think there are some

482
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,360
truths to it, but yeah,
I think that it is really like,

483
00:35:24,599 --> 00:35:30,880
it's really expansive in terms of all
of these things that happened. Yeah,

484
00:35:30,199 --> 00:35:32,599
And it makes her look bad if
she just goes like, yeah, I

485
00:35:32,599 --> 00:35:36,000
didn't take care of the baby,
and then I took him to the hospital

486
00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:39,840
and they decided to keep him because
I couldn't prove I was a guardian or

487
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:45,159
this child's mother. Yeah, And
I think the truth lies somewhere in the

488
00:35:45,199 --> 00:35:50,800
middle. And I do think one
they were all malnourished themselves. Of course,

489
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,280
the baby's going to be malnourished,
and at the end of the day,

490
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,360
him being at the hospital was the
safest place for that baby, the

491
00:35:55,480 --> 00:36:00,119
best thing, Yeah, because he
was going to die if he kept on

492
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:05,000
staying with them anyway, said,
and they probably did tell her to leave

493
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,559
the baby and get rid of it. Oh yeah, that part believe,

494
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,039
like he was probably like you could
throw it out in the ditch. I

495
00:36:10,119 --> 00:36:14,760
don't care, like figure out what
to do with this thing. I'm surprised

496
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:19,239
he didn't murder somebody, honestly,
Like he had no no care, no

497
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:24,320
care for like life, regard for
anyone's exactly at all. So I wouldn't

498
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:29,480
be surprised if like something comes out
that he's basically like murdered somebody in the

499
00:36:29,559 --> 00:36:34,280
past, because it's so close to
it, Like he just is so like

500
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:40,320
this piece highlights the we don't use
like psychopathy anymore, but truly like the

501
00:36:42,159 --> 00:36:50,400
the evilness and like fucking fucked up
ass bitch ass like exactly. Yeah,

502
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,440
oh yeah, it's insane. So
I get it, Like I just don't

503
00:36:52,519 --> 00:36:59,440
necessarily believe the entire I don't believe
the accuracy of the story, like because

504
00:36:59,519 --> 00:37:01,840
in her podcast and VOCA she says
like, oh, I was saving that

505
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,800
baby's life. I don't think in
the mindset that she was in that she

506
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,679
was thinking about the baby. I
think she was only thinking about his orders

507
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:12,599
leave his baby somewhere, and that
somewhere happened to be the hospital. Yes,

508
00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:15,920
and she did save his life,
I mean truly, like that's the

509
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,840
highlight of it, you know,
So there we are, that's the good

510
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,039
and all of it. And also
because her leaving the baby there, and

511
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:28,800
then they all left Spain after that, and then when they got to Argentina

512
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,159
after that, Matty told, you
know, said here what happened, that

513
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:35,360
she had to leave the baby,
but that the mom of the baby was

514
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,599
gonna like contact them, and so
said you had Marii and Karina called the

515
00:37:39,679 --> 00:37:45,079
hospital together. The hospital asked for
a documentation to prove that Karina was who

516
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,599
she said she was, because when
Marie left the baby there, she said,

517
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,800
this is the mother's name, this
is the information, like we will

518
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:57,719
call you again, and so gettin
a call. They asked for a documentation

519
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:02,679
and they ended up sending facts seen
over a copy of her passport. I

520
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:07,480
want to say it was. And
so with that fact, it set forth

521
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:13,880
the downfall of Setio Andrade. Really
yeah, okay, okay, very very

522
00:38:14,039 --> 00:38:16,599
Uh what's his name BTK? When
he was in the library, yes,

523
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:22,039
yes, like nineteen ninety eight,
two to gain some perspective on it,

524
00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:25,559
where he's like, you can't tell
that's the thing. Oh my god,

525
00:38:25,639 --> 00:38:30,239
don't get me started on BTK,
because I have a whole thing about this.

526
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,519
I'm like, you freaking idiot,
Like I'm glad he was caught one

527
00:38:32,599 --> 00:38:37,719
hundred percent, but like, how
dumb do you have to be? I

528
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:43,320
literally asked the police to be like
can you trace this? Oh yeah,

529
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,840
just because I don't and don't lie
to me. Guys like that's literally what

530
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:52,199
he said, and they're like,
uh, Kate, no, we can't

531
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,920
trace it. We would never lie
to you. And then he's like,

532
00:38:57,039 --> 00:38:59,840
all right, I believe you,
and then sends it in and you're like,

533
00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:02,679
okay, cool, thanks for your
age, sex and location because we

534
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:07,000
basically have found you. Oh my
god. Yeah so basiculous. Yeah,

535
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,280
so yeah, it's basically like that
too. They're like, oh, okay,

536
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:16,599
so you just confirmed that a fourteen
year old child was impregnated and is

537
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:22,880
the mother, Like, you freaking
idiot exactly, And so with this information,

538
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:27,239
the hospital went to the Mexican embassy
in Spain. I love it.

539
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,960
I love all of this. I
mean just this how he was caught,

540
00:39:30,039 --> 00:39:34,800
not obviously not all I know what
you mean. You're praying for his downfall.

541
00:39:35,119 --> 00:39:40,039
Literally, yes, So with this, they contacted Karina Yeppo's parents in

542
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:45,159
Mexico told them that they had a
grandson in the hospital and they were like

543
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:51,039
what because they didn't know this baby
existed. I had no idea that their

544
00:39:51,159 --> 00:39:55,440
teenage daughter had been pregnant. And
although the birth certificate just said unknown for

545
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,920
the father, who else could have
been the father this baby? Right?

546
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:05,000
Oh? That was I was going
to ask if he was born in the

547
00:40:05,079 --> 00:40:08,639
hospital and how that didn't trigger anything
like about a fourteen year old being pregnant

548
00:40:08,679 --> 00:40:12,920
and no further investigation. But well, I mean, we're in the early

549
00:40:13,039 --> 00:40:17,079
nineties in Spain. I don't know
how much they would have cared to look

550
00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:22,960
into a teenage pregnancy by Mexican nationals. Yeah, and I doubt he was

551
00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:25,800
present at the birth too. I'm
sure it was like girls taker or she

552
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,599
had a home birth. You know. I don't think she had a home

553
00:40:29,679 --> 00:40:31,920
birth because there was a birth certificate. Although you could have a home birth

554
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:36,480
and then take the baby's snake to
keep it private, like, yeah,

555
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,159
but there was a birth certificate and
he it was listed unknown and then no

556
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:44,760
father listed yeah, no father listed, but the parents knew who she was

557
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,400
with this whole time, right,
yeah, yeah, yeah. So then

558
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:53,280
they went to the authorities. This
kicked off the international manhunt for them because

559
00:40:53,320 --> 00:41:00,239
they told the Chihuahua authorities everything.
They told them. Their daughter was a

560
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,960
teen, she was taken by this
man. And they also named Gloria Trevi

561
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:10,119
and Marie Bokita's Raquel. Oh my
god, what's her middle name? I

562
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:14,360
was just I've been this is twenty
hours of this isn't it. I thought

563
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:19,559
her middle name was that Raquel thing, like, all, okay, sorry

564
00:41:21,079 --> 00:41:24,599
Maria, yes, yes, something
like that. Yes, yes, so

565
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:29,079
she names her as well. They
name all three of them, as it

566
00:41:29,159 --> 00:41:32,519
accompasses in this I think. Okay. So there's obviously the book if you

567
00:41:32,599 --> 00:41:37,239
don't know Girl Trouble, like read
it. It covers this whole saga.

568
00:41:37,559 --> 00:41:43,119
But one of the things I thought
kinda was interesting about this whole piece right

569
00:41:43,159 --> 00:41:45,639
here, right, because you're like, oh, great grandparents are notified,

570
00:41:45,519 --> 00:41:51,800
you would expect that they take action
immediately, right to be like they took

571
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:57,679
six months? Yeah? I was
like yeah, for what why? And

572
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,880
like there's no clarity really behind it, Like you don't really know, as

573
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:07,000
far as I know from the stuff
that I had in my memory bank.

574
00:42:07,079 --> 00:42:12,760
Obviously yes, the movie No,
but like I was so floored by that.

575
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,599
I remember that piece like I literally
highlighted it and was like, how

576
00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:22,320
like this is the a year child
who's fourteen fifteen years old, you know,

577
00:42:22,599 --> 00:42:24,360
who they haven't seen in a long
time. And then you get this

578
00:42:24,559 --> 00:42:30,039
call and you're like probably horrified.
I'm sure to be like what the hell,

579
00:42:30,159 --> 00:42:32,239
like my kid has a kid,
and then you go, I'm gonna

580
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:37,800
sit on that for six months.
Yeah, and like only they can know

581
00:42:37,039 --> 00:42:42,159
why. Maybe it's like consulting attorneys. I don't know, it could be.

582
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,800
It could be. I know there
was back and forth between the embassies

583
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:50,239
to then have the baby taken to
them. Maybe they wanted the baby first

584
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,519
before pursuing legal action charges. That's
smart. That can be my only guess,

585
00:42:54,559 --> 00:42:59,519
because like nothing else makes sense to
me. Yeah, Maddie, she

586
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,599
maintains that, you know, she
was saving the baby's life by leaving them

587
00:43:02,599 --> 00:43:07,159
there, which in the end it
did save us life to this day,

588
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,840
Karina. At least interviews I saw
in the early two thousands, before twenty

589
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,360
ten, but after like two thousand
and five or something like that is what

590
00:43:14,559 --> 00:43:19,480
I saw. She still blames Maddie
for her baby being sick and for abadining

591
00:43:19,559 --> 00:43:22,239
her baby. She blames her.
Yes, yeah, at least she did

592
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,480
back then. I don't know what
her I don't know how she feels about

593
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:29,360
it now, but yeah, which
is insane to me because a, you

594
00:43:29,559 --> 00:43:32,039
left your baby there to begin with. Yeah, I feel like it's misplaced

595
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:37,280
for sure. I'm like the decision
in the request was made by Sergio,

596
00:43:38,079 --> 00:43:40,880
not anybody, when the end is
the one who blame for all of this.

597
00:43:42,159 --> 00:43:45,039
Yeah, so that it seems a
little misplaced. I get being pissed

598
00:43:45,079 --> 00:43:50,239
off like that, you know,
your kid, Yeah, gets admitted to

599
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:54,679
the hospital because of you know,
not being cared for. I get that,

600
00:43:55,000 --> 00:44:00,360
but like I don't get the whole
you forced me to abandon my child

601
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,920
how. Yeah. And that's the
thing about another thing about this case,

602
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:07,679
that's so it just happens so much. There's so many of the survivors blaming

603
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:14,519
each other. But I think with
the way that he ran his cult,

604
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,760
the way he coerced all of them, abuse all of them, and essentially

605
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:22,280
trained them to do this, and
so I think part of it was still

606
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:28,800
ingrained in them, like to second
nature. Yeah, to blame each other

607
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,639
first. I don't know how much
unlearning or unpacking they all did later on,

608
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:37,599
I know in her own podcast,
Marii Bokitas is like, I understand

609
00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:42,280
now, I get it now that
this is what was happening. He is

610
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,920
the one to blame for everything.
She's like, she says, like,

611
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:49,800
oh, I only hope everyone is
like okay now and like that they can

612
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,320
forgive her. And she's like she
forgives all of them, and like,

613
00:44:52,519 --> 00:44:55,119
you know, and I don't know
how much growing they each did, but

614
00:44:57,039 --> 00:45:00,360
that was the big When all this
was in the news, you saw a

615
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:04,639
lot of the survivors speaking out against
each other, all of them like it

616
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,480
was. And again it probably also
gave them a little bit of money that

617
00:45:08,559 --> 00:45:13,840
they needed because they had nothing because
that he took everything. Yeah, so

618
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,280
there was a lot, a lot
of things going on a lot, Okay.

619
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:22,639
So they were in at Centina when
all this was happening in nineteen ninety

620
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:28,440
eight. Oh yeah, at some
point either in Argentina or Brazil. Honestly,

621
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,679
you don't know when it happens.
Sonia, he marries Sonya Rios,

622
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,039
that's the last name. Yeah,
yeah, but I don't know if that

623
00:45:35,079 --> 00:45:38,239
happened in Argentina, Spain or in
Brazil. I want to say it was

624
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:44,400
Argentina because they get to Brazil in
nineteen ninety eight. Yeah, that feels

625
00:45:44,599 --> 00:45:51,000
right, because what's your Argentina and
herself. Let's just pretend right now that

626
00:45:51,159 --> 00:45:53,199
that's the case. I think so, though I'm pretty sure to call the

627
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:57,360
fact checkers, just give us some
time. I believe both of you.

628
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,199
Don't quote us on that, but
I I believe while they were in Afgentina

629
00:46:04,119 --> 00:46:07,119
married Sonya. There was no obviously
no ceremony, but it happened, and

630
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,880
so then they can't be in one
place for too long, said, he

631
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:15,920
announces that they're gonna head to Brazil. At some point, Sonia herself had

632
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:20,760
a baby, a girl in Argentina. During that time in Brazil, three

633
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:25,880
more babies would be born. Yeah, because he's an idiot and like a

634
00:46:27,639 --> 00:46:31,960
narcissistic weirdo. Yeah, well,
he's partly like where did you say you're

635
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:36,840
an Udia in Brazil? Right when
they go to Brazil or in Argentina that

636
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,840
the babies are born. One baby
is born in Argentina and then the other

637
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:44,840
three are in Brazil. Yeah,
because he's like, they don't have an

638
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,679
extradition policy if your kids are born
here, and they're like, actually that

639
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:52,400
lung doesn't exist anymore. That's what
he believed. He cannot be extradited.

640
00:46:52,599 --> 00:46:57,559
Yeah, he got them pregnant on
purpose, like it was purely to make

641
00:46:57,639 --> 00:47:00,079
sure, like they couldn't get extradited. Like Gloria got pregnant, right,

642
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:04,519
Yes, Gloria was the last one, I want to say. But then

643
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,960
Guarina's baby was in Spain, and
then let's see when I just saw,

644
00:47:09,039 --> 00:47:14,000
Yeah, Sonya had her baby in
Argentina. So then there was Garina de

645
00:47:14,119 --> 00:47:19,920
la Cuesta No no, sorry Godla
Gardila had a boy, and then Gloria

646
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,119
had a girl, and then Gordida's
baby was born in nineteen ninety nine.

647
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:27,079
So yeah, those are the other
three babies. And like said, he

648
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:31,119
and they had this depraved dream that
he was gonna buy an island somewhere and

649
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:35,960
they were all gonna be there have
his babies, and then his babies,

650
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,760
he would impregnate the girls and they
would have more babies. Oh yeah,

651
00:47:40,039 --> 00:47:46,360
disgusting, like truly disgusting. So
yes, now nineteen ninety eight, they're

652
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:51,840
in Brazil. There's three babies born
here in Brazil. They were going from

653
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,239
town to town, never standing in
one place for too long. The abuse

654
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:59,440
room said he were ramped up,
but in new ways. He did things

655
00:47:59,639 --> 00:48:02,480
like mix all the food in the
fridge with eggshells and make them eat it,

656
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,599
make them eat their own vomit.
Oh my god. He would tell

657
00:48:07,639 --> 00:48:10,760
them repeatedly he was gonna kill himself
if they left, so they couldn't escape.

658
00:48:12,199 --> 00:48:14,559
I wish he would have right,
I wish he would have done as

659
00:48:14,599 --> 00:48:17,199
a favor. At one point,
he because he was always looking for a

660
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:22,079
new property to then move everyone too, because you know, they couldn't stay

661
00:48:22,119 --> 00:48:24,440
in one place for too long.
So during one of these like searches for

662
00:48:24,519 --> 00:48:30,039
properties, he sends Madi Bokitas to
one of the most dangerous neighborhoods because they

663
00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:34,760
call them favelas. So she was
sent to one of the most dangerous favelas

664
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,119
to look for this property. And
when she returns, he told her it

665
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,159
was too bad that she returned alive
because he thought she was going to be

666
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:44,960
killed. My god, wow,
when she was looking for property. And

667
00:48:45,079 --> 00:48:47,239
this is just to mess with them
more psychologically, Yeah, to make them

668
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:52,239
more scared to show them that he
has knee ways to hurt them. Right,

669
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:59,559
So on top of now the new
babies, the four now ur you

670
00:48:59,599 --> 00:49:02,760
know, yes, sorry, there's
just so many babies. So Mari Lene

671
00:49:04,119 --> 00:49:12,039
and Wendy were pregnant too, So
that's six pregnant. You had eight kids

672
00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:15,360
altogether, yes, uh huh right, yeah, I believe so. So

673
00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:21,559
one baby was already given away from
way before a boy because he didn't want

674
00:49:21,599 --> 00:49:25,559
any boys evers, and that was
baby was given to his brother. And

675
00:49:25,639 --> 00:49:30,320
then now all these other babies,
right, So the girls that had their

676
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:35,039
babies there, you know, living
and they were in the same place with

677
00:49:35,159 --> 00:49:42,400
him. They testified that he physically
beat the children, Maddy and Gladia Denyll

678
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,480
this to this day. So the
truth is probably with the other girls,

679
00:49:46,559 --> 00:49:51,440
right, he probably did abuse them
because a person like that wants control and

680
00:49:51,519 --> 00:49:54,599
you can't control the baby. Babies
cry when they want. Yeah, Madi

681
00:49:54,679 --> 00:49:58,920
Bokita's they're saying like, oh I
Didsey said he'll playing too rough with them,

682
00:49:59,039 --> 00:50:00,440
and that could have been seen in
abuse. I don't believe that.

683
00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:05,719
I do believe he physically oh yes, these children, like there's no doubt

684
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:10,559
in my second I can't believe that
they would exempt the children from that exactly,

685
00:50:12,079 --> 00:50:15,119
yes, especially to hurt the mother. Uh huh, Like I just

686
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,880
can't imagine that he would be like, oh no, my poor babies,

687
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:22,000
Yeah right right right, like you
think he'd be a carrying father please?

688
00:50:23,559 --> 00:50:30,760
And I laughed because it's terrible.
Yeah. Yeah. During their time in

689
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:36,039
Brazil, one of the the La
Cuesta sisters, Carola, she jumped from

690
00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:39,440
the balcony one day to escape these
horrors. And it was actually after an

691
00:50:39,519 --> 00:50:43,880
argument with Gloria about what who knows? Right, only they know, but

692
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:49,320
she loves her baby Milton behind,
and she ran. She jumped and ran

693
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,320
and then said andrad to like make
sure this was possible. According to him,

694
00:50:53,599 --> 00:50:59,239
he made Maddie recreate the jump and
she did, like, so she

695
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:05,559
jumped off the alcony. Yeah,
and again more like just just more abuse.

696
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:09,599
Yeah. He sent the girls to
find Cala returned after three days,

697
00:51:09,679 --> 00:51:14,360
and like, of course she did, because one it takes up multiple attempts

698
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,519
to leave an abuse her. They're
in a foreign country, this is all

699
00:51:16,639 --> 00:51:21,159
she's known for years now, and
her baby's there, So don't I don't

700
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:25,199
blame her for one second for returning
but she had to beg him to be

701
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:30,440
allowed back inside the house again,
just more more of his depraved game,

702
00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:35,639
more control. A few weeks after
that, mad Lene also tried to escape,

703
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,880
but then she returned the same night
he triatened to kill himself again,

704
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:45,119
which again I wish he would have
right, And the moving ramped up after

705
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:49,280
that, from from house to house. It was during all this that Gloria

706
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:54,639
had her baby Anna that lie and
unfortunately Gloria's baby only lived thirty days and

707
00:51:54,920 --> 00:52:00,239
it's still a mystery what happened,
So there's different versions of this. Well.

708
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,760
Gloria's version of the death is that
it was una morte de cuna or

709
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,559
SIDS and which is the thing.
The baby was young, it can happen.

710
00:52:09,159 --> 00:52:15,079
On November thirteenth, nineteen ninety nine, they found her baby like not

711
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:19,079
alive anymore in the room, and
then Gloria was like being held back.

712
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:23,679
She was going crazy, obviously right, her baby was dead. And this

713
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:29,039
is from an interview she gave years
later. Groodia says that one of the

714
00:52:29,159 --> 00:52:34,360
girls gave her baby CPR and it
seemed like the baby was responsive, so

715
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:38,280
then Glodia grabbed the baby and she
tried to leave the house and that Karina

716
00:52:38,679 --> 00:52:44,199
Yapor blocked her exit, demanding to
know where she was going. Gloria told

717
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,159
her to the hospital, and she
was trying to push her out of the

718
00:52:46,199 --> 00:52:50,400
way, and Karina yelled at her, like your baby's dead. And then

719
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:54,360
Gloria like came to and like felt
her baby was cold and rigid, and

720
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:59,760
then she doesn't remember anything for the
following weeks that there would be days she

721
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:01,880
thought she was nursing, thinking it
was her baby, but it was one

722
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:06,639
of the other babies because she needed
to get rid of her milk, because

723
00:53:07,639 --> 00:53:10,920
you know, that's so sad.
In her state of mind, she was

724
00:53:12,039 --> 00:53:15,800
just told that her baby was buried, and then she didn't ask any other

725
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:20,199
questions. And in reality, someone
has thrown the baby into the river.

726
00:53:20,639 --> 00:53:27,000
Oh my god, terrible under orders
from Setium. And it's appalling to me

727
00:53:27,159 --> 00:53:31,039
to even think that this happened to
her baby. And she still later interviews

728
00:53:31,079 --> 00:53:37,199
for years, she victim blamed everyone
I know for a very long time and

729
00:53:37,639 --> 00:53:43,159
would say things like the girls were
there because they enjoyed it. Really vulgar,

730
00:53:43,559 --> 00:53:47,039
vulgar, But what about her saying, right, why was she there

731
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:51,719
exactly? Like did she say,
she can't say she was a victim if

732
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:58,639
she's saying they liked it so much. Yeah, deflection. Yeah, and

733
00:53:58,679 --> 00:54:00,440
I'll get into it later. But
I saw what she said about it in

734
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:05,480
twenty eighteen, but I didn't see
Oh I think I saw it. Yeah,

735
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:10,159
he probably did. But it's just
weird that that to me. But

736
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:15,760
obviously the whatever they went through,
like deeply deeply affected them. Yeah,

737
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:20,800
Maddie, her version is different.
They were all watching the movie in the

738
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:24,840
living room, something they did regularly. The babies were all sleeping in one

739
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:30,519
of the rooms on a mattress,
and she saw Glorida kept asking for permission

740
00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:35,239
from said he to ask him a
question, and he kept ignoring her.

741
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,840
Finally, he tells her Gloria,
that she can go check on another lie

742
00:54:39,159 --> 00:54:43,519
in a second, but you know, Glorida keeps interrupting him, and as

743
00:54:43,559 --> 00:54:47,239
punishment for Gloria's interrupting, he tells
Katya, my bad, another one of

744
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:52,360
the girls, to go get another
lie. Katya goes into the room and

745
00:54:52,519 --> 00:54:57,480
then she comes back holding another lie
in a blanket. Katya's face is pale,

746
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,719
and she's incoherent. She's saying things
that don't make sense. He's like,

747
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,679
what what you look like? You've
seen a dead person? And then

748
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:07,760
that's when they all saw that another
lie in Katya's arms was no longer alive.

749
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:13,519
Gloria starts freaking out naturally, and
then two girls, Maddy herself and

750
00:55:13,559 --> 00:55:16,199
then Liliana, one of the other
girls, take another lie from Katya.

751
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:21,800
They tried to revive another lie doing
CPR. They're like, oh my god,

752
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,239
she breathing. They're probably just wishful
thinking. One of the girls says,

753
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:28,400
let's take her to the hospital said. He says, no, there's

754
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,039
something to do. She's dead.
He kicks everyone out of the room.

755
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:35,840
Gloria stays there. He comes out
and he's like, what should we do?

756
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:37,599
Like, what are we going to
do? This is going to ruin

757
00:55:37,679 --> 00:55:40,679
me? Blah blah blah. Marii
Bokita's request to pray for the baby,

758
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:44,800
he's like, first blows her off
and tells her she's stupid from wanting to

759
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:49,519
pray in the situation, but then
allows her to do like a small funeral

760
00:55:49,679 --> 00:55:53,159
for the baby there. So they
go get candles, come back. They

761
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:58,679
pray with Mary leading the prayer because
she was very religious throughout all this,

762
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:00,400
and there were moments where said it
would be like, you're fucking stupid for

763
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:06,440
believing in God. And so this
was during one of those moments she led

764
00:56:06,559 --> 00:56:10,679
this prayer. Gloria was crying loudly. He tells her that the neighbors are

765
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:14,199
going to hear them, so she
needs to stop crying. They end the

766
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:19,360
funeral because of Gloria's crying. Her
baby just died, Like what do you

767
00:56:19,519 --> 00:56:23,239
mean? That's how the funeral ended. Gloriac kept begging for them to have

768
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:29,320
a proper burial place for her baby
and said her taught her that he's gonna

769
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,440
take care of it. And then
he talks to two of the girls.

770
00:56:31,679 --> 00:56:37,480
Mattie never says who it is that
he talked to who he told. Supposedly

771
00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:42,480
he came out and told them,
I've instructed them to go properly bury the

772
00:56:42,559 --> 00:56:45,519
baby, but really he instructed them
to go throw the baby in the river.

773
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:50,119
But they never say who it was
who did it. But that's what

774
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,159
happens with another lie. According to
Mattie, many times when the babies were

775
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:58,920
crying uncontrollably, said He'll order them
to muffle the cries with blankets over the

776
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,760
baby's face. Oh my god.
Many times they would put blankets over babies

777
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:07,119
like that when it was like their
nap times, and with another Lai being

778
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:12,079
so young and malnourished, because they
were all malnourished, that's probably how she

779
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:17,280
died. Yeah, that makes sense. Obviously she's not going to increaniminate herself

780
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:21,880
in her own podcast, but to
me, it just sounds like that is

781
00:57:22,159 --> 00:57:28,559
very likely how it happened, just
based on like what said he hold it

782
00:57:28,599 --> 00:57:30,639
in that moment ordering the girls,
Like, yeah, all of that sounds

783
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:35,719
very real. And yeah, in
the end, her baby West West thrown

784
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:40,039
in the river, which is terrible, Yeah, terrible. This is just

785
00:57:40,199 --> 00:57:45,280
no, Like she doesn't get any
any opportunity for like closure in that,

786
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:49,039
you know, to make some type
of peace with it. Like he's still

787
00:57:49,639 --> 00:57:52,280
as like he's like with therapy,
yes, right, Like she could reasonably

788
00:57:52,719 --> 00:57:58,599
find a way to like move forward
and find a path where she's healed in

789
00:57:58,679 --> 00:58:01,239
some way from the trauma entirely,
but she's able to cope and manage it,

790
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:05,679
right, play, how do you
do that when you don't have any

791
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:10,400
resolution to your child and you're still
like yeah, and to this day,

792
00:58:10,719 --> 00:58:15,239
there's no recovery of the baby.
There was no burial for the baby.

793
00:58:15,519 --> 00:58:20,400
There's nowhere she can go on more
in this baby physically, right, mm

794
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,320
hmm. Such a shame. So
yeah, there's a lot of rumors,

795
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:30,000
a lot of speculations about another lie's
death. Gloria herself blames Karina Yapo.

796
00:58:30,639 --> 00:58:32,599
Some of the other girls blame Katya, who was the one who was sent

797
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:37,079
in to get her. That like
said he was yelling for the baby to

798
00:58:37,119 --> 00:58:40,079
stop crying, and that like desperately
trying to muffle the baby's cry, she

799
00:58:40,199 --> 00:58:45,719
accidentally suffocated her. There's different versions. In the end. In her own

800
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:52,239
podcast, Mattei insists like there's not
one person to blame for another li's murder,

801
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:57,000
Like it wasn't anyone's fault, it
wasn't Katia's fault, it wasn't my

802
00:58:57,199 --> 00:59:00,079
fault, it wasn't Gloria's fault.
Only one person is to blame, and

803
00:59:00,239 --> 00:59:02,679
that person is said Kio said he
which yeah, I do. I do

804
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:06,760
agree with that. She goes on
to say, like she wasn't to blame,

805
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,800
not Kathia Gloria, but the lifestyle
they followed under the abuse of said

806
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:15,679
Hio, Really is what's that blame
here? I mean, for years Gloria

807
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:20,960
and Marie herself defended, said Hio. Even after his conviction. Uh,

808
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:24,599
yeah, after they were released.
He stayed in jail the they were released,

809
00:59:24,639 --> 00:59:29,679
and he stayed in Joel a while
before even his trial began and he

810
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:35,320
was sentenced, And yeah, even
then, there's interviews of them saying things

811
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:37,679
like defending him. Wow, I
mean, it takes a long time to

812
00:59:38,039 --> 00:59:44,320
like deprogram. Basically, I almost
think that this for Marii herself, this

813
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,639
was probably one of the first times
she's like saying all of this in a

814
00:59:46,719 --> 00:59:52,400
different light than she used to.
There's also so many infuriating interviews of Setio

815
00:59:52,519 --> 00:59:57,559
himself saying like, oh, these
girls like I love them and they broke

816
00:59:57,639 --> 01:00:01,400
my heart and blah blah blah.
Of course, yeah, it's disgusting yuck.

817
01:00:02,199 --> 01:00:07,159
So during all this, said jo
since Karina yapor back to Mexico,

818
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,559
his intention was to send her to
calm the media. She was sent back

819
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:15,480
with Marlene. They were supposed to
go back to everyone that they weren't being

820
01:00:15,519 --> 01:00:17,280
forced to stay with him. They
were there of their own volition. Again,

821
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:21,800
Karina is fifteen fourteen, like they
were supposed to. Also say that

822
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:25,880
baby is not set heos that she
and Marilena were living together in Brazil and

823
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,960
that the baby's father was some random
Spanish guy. So they landed in Chihuahua

824
01:00:31,119 --> 01:00:35,440
on December sixteenth, nineteen ninety nine, and it was a media circus.

825
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,719
They were not going to be able
to culminate in themselves, there was no

826
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:44,920
way because of all the publicity surrounding
their case. Marlene was arrested right away

827
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:50,519
at the moment they landed in Mexico, and then this is when Interpol put

828
01:00:50,599 --> 01:00:54,239
out orders for Sehio, Marie,
and Gloria to be arrested wherever they were

829
01:00:54,280 --> 01:01:00,800
found. Karina was put under legal
and medical supervision and she was to stay

830
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:04,280
with her parents. They were supposed
to now watch her and like she was

831
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:07,360
not like arrested, but she was
not also not Yeah, it's like house

832
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:13,559
arrested. Yeah, her safety.
In the beginning, she did try to

833
01:01:13,679 --> 01:01:16,480
defend Sadhyo and still like, you
know, say the thing she was supposed

834
01:01:16,519 --> 01:01:21,360
to say. But as time passed, she began to then say what really

835
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:24,079
happened in all the abuse, Probably
just you know, more time away from

836
01:01:24,119 --> 01:01:28,960
the abuser and then more time with
her family kind of let her finally talk.

837
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:32,920
Yeah, and then on January thirteenth, two thousand, in Brazil,

838
01:01:34,039 --> 01:01:36,719
we're back in Brazil. There was
a knock in the apartment they were staying

839
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:40,800
at and it was the police and
they were looking for Maria Raquel Portio.

840
01:01:42,039 --> 01:01:43,880
She's the one who asked the door. They're like, what's your name?

841
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:45,000
She didn't want to say, but
then she told them. They were like,

842
01:01:45,039 --> 01:01:46,960
all right, this is the one, this is the one we're looking

843
01:01:47,039 --> 01:01:51,480
for. And then Godlac quickly said
I'm gonna go with her, because again

844
01:01:51,559 --> 01:01:54,840
they were so programmed to just go
everywhere together. So she went with her,

845
01:01:55,079 --> 01:01:59,400
and then Matie asked like, am
I under arrest? Am I being

846
01:01:59,519 --> 01:02:02,719
arrested? And then like all Carla
could say is said he was going to

847
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:06,960
kill us. He's going to be
so mad, because again that was their

848
01:02:07,039 --> 01:02:10,199
number one worry. Yeah, doesn't
exactly do a lot for him in terms

849
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:15,400
of not being in control when the
person you know is saying, this person's

850
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:20,000
going to kill us in front of
police. So yeah, how can he

851
01:02:20,679 --> 01:02:22,679
try and pretend he's not the one
in charge of all of them and abusing

852
01:02:22,719 --> 01:02:29,719
them objection? Yeah, but they're
literally afraid of their lives right now,

853
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:32,320
and you're telling us they're here on
their own free will and their own vulish

854
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:38,199
seriously, and so while she was
in the car Mari raquanel Portillo, she

855
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:42,719
overheard them say we're in route with
her, and they said her name,

856
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,760
like we're in route with this person. And then they had said said Juan

857
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:50,440
and Gloria were already in custody,
and she's like, what what is happening.

858
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,239
So then they all arrived. They
were in the same police station now,

859
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:57,039
and so the police told them there
was an order for the arrest from

860
01:02:57,119 --> 01:03:00,280
Chihuahua dating back to nineteen ninety nine. They were arrested, and then there

861
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:07,320
was also another request for Marilene herself, but who was already arrested in Mexico.

862
01:03:07,559 --> 01:03:12,360
So then they had their phone calls
and even there said he didn't allow

863
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:15,119
Madi to use her phone call.
He used her phone call instead. Wow,

864
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:21,679
just fucking insane, of course he
did. Gloria told her to smile

865
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,559
for her mugshot, to look dignified, and she gave Maddi some lipstick.

866
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:30,400
So if you've seen their mugshots,
they are all smiling. Yeah, disturbing

867
01:03:30,679 --> 01:03:36,320
to say the least. Gloria and
Maddie were put in jail in Rio de

868
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:39,599
Cando. They were there for one
month, and then on February ninth,

869
01:03:39,679 --> 01:03:45,880
two thousand, they were moved to
a mostly male prison with only few women

870
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:50,800
prisoners. Why do they have those
I don't know. I don't know.

871
01:03:51,079 --> 01:03:55,400
They're like overcrowning. I have no
idea. It sounds very even stranger is

872
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:59,239
that they were then placed next to
set hotel and like, why would you

873
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:02,840
put them together? Yeah? Hell, I don't know. Literally cannot be

874
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:08,000
protected in any capacity. Did he
like bribe someone for this to make this

875
01:04:08,119 --> 01:04:13,960
happen? I will say that apparently
he was like loved in prison of course

876
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:19,360
charming. Well, I mean like
that's literally how he got where he did,

877
01:04:19,639 --> 01:04:24,159
you know, by being charming and
stuff. He rizzed on them,

878
01:04:24,199 --> 01:04:28,320
as I learned, the kids say
they do say that people have riz.

879
01:04:28,719 --> 01:04:30,599
Yeah, oh my god, I've
never heard that. Really, Karmen,

880
01:04:30,679 --> 01:04:34,480
do you need to get on TikTok? I was disgusted the second I heard

881
01:04:34,519 --> 01:04:39,480
it. I was like, I
don't want to be it doesn't sound good.

882
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:42,840
Yeah, I don't want your ris
anywhere near me? You know what?

883
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:47,880
It sounds so much like JITs.
That's why exactly exactly. It means

884
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:55,119
charisma. That's where it came from. Charisma disgusting. Yeah, my husband

885
01:04:55,199 --> 01:04:58,360
literally told me that, and I
was like, don't ever say that to

886
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:01,079
me again. Yeah, I went. I went through this same exact conversation

887
01:05:01,239 --> 01:05:04,840
with my husband like three months ago
or longer. Now, you don't know

888
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:08,719
what is me? Wow? If
I didn't know about it, my husband

889
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:12,000
isn't about it. I'm going to
ask him now. Yeah, tell him

890
01:05:12,239 --> 01:05:16,039
just be like did you like that? Riz? Did I? Riz?

891
01:05:16,119 --> 01:05:18,280
You? And see what he says, and then let us know what he

892
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:23,000
says. Come back on, let
us know that. Where is it?

893
01:05:23,599 --> 01:05:30,039
He's looking around? So, yeah, they were reunited again in this new

894
01:05:30,159 --> 01:05:32,679
jail. While in prison, I'm
not going to go into too much he

895
01:05:32,679 --> 01:05:36,159
saw about person again. We'd be
here ten hours they were there, That's

896
01:05:36,199 --> 01:05:42,079
what we know. They were there, got sick with gian Beret syndrome.

897
01:05:42,519 --> 01:05:45,639
He looked terrible, but sadly he
did not do us the favor of dying.

898
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:51,039
He did not die. No,
No, sadly he lived through his

899
01:05:51,159 --> 01:05:57,199
gian Berat syndrome. Wish he would
have died. More things happened in prison,

900
01:05:57,599 --> 01:06:00,880
really the most important thing that didn't
happen in prison is at Gloria was

901
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:04,679
pregnant, and she said she was
frayed by prison guards. Again, yeah,

902
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:08,079
but said he was next to her. Uh huh, yeah, yeah,

903
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:11,800
next to herself. I don't believe, no, no, I don't

904
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,320
believe the prison guard thing at all, and in fact, neither did the

905
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:17,519
prison guards. Every single prison guard
in that jail gave their DNA to prove

906
01:06:17,599 --> 01:06:23,159
that. Oh my god, now, oh wow, I'm sorry you were

907
01:06:23,239 --> 01:06:29,719
not the father, Mari Povich.
It was rumored to be said he was

908
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:31,960
baby. To this day, this
has never been confirmed, but like,

909
01:06:32,239 --> 01:06:34,840
come on, oh my god,
Joe, I mean, it was hard

910
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:40,679
for everyone. Apparently Gloria and jail
tried to kill herself several times. She

911
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:44,159
wasn't allowed to have anything sharp in
her cell. After a couple of years,

912
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:48,360
and I think said he stayed in
Brazil another year. I could be

913
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:51,639
wrong, though, just because again
it all gets very convoluted. There's a

914
01:06:51,719 --> 01:06:56,239
bunch of places, things that say
different things in different places. But my

915
01:06:56,360 --> 01:07:02,719
understanding, after a couple of years, Gloria and Maddy were extradited to Mexico,

916
01:07:03,039 --> 01:07:06,639
and the following year said Hill was
extradited to Mexico. Their case couldn't

917
01:07:06,639 --> 01:07:11,159
go more forward in Mexico until said
Hill was extradited, so they were in

918
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:15,119
jail a little bit longer in Mexico. I think so. Once all of

919
01:07:15,239 --> 01:07:20,519
them were in Mexico, Gloria,
Marie, and Marlene were exonerated of all

920
01:07:20,639 --> 01:07:26,280
charges. Later, when his case
went through trial, said he'll received the

921
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:30,400
sentence of seven years and ten months, which is not long enough. Pretty

922
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:32,360
got time served. I didn't,
I don't. I don't think so.

923
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:36,559
I think he served the full seven
years. No, no, oh no,

924
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:41,559
I read that he they counted the
time he had already served and he

925
01:07:41,679 --> 01:07:46,039
was only in jail like one more
year after being sentenced. Oh Jesus,

926
01:07:46,119 --> 01:07:51,679
that's fucking terrible. Oh oh my
god, I hate this. Yeah,

927
01:07:53,039 --> 01:07:57,320
there's no justice really, no,
not at all. And then he was

928
01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:01,519
to pay a compensation to Karna Yappo
and our parents. So yeah, like

929
01:08:02,559 --> 01:08:05,079
you said, Carminy, I guess
he didn't serve a long sentence at all.

930
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:08,840
In fact, he's been out for
a very long time. He only

931
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:13,480
served very little time. He is, according to what I found in somewhere

932
01:08:13,559 --> 01:08:19,800
in Mexico teaching children music. No, shut up, who's letting him around

933
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:25,520
their children and people who think he's
gonna make them. It seems just like

934
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:29,359
cycle of stuff like, oh,
this is our Kelly all over again.

935
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:34,399
It's worse. It's worse because at
least our Kelly's behind bars exactly, that's

936
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:39,960
true. Yeah, it's terrible.
And then as far as Gloria, Gloria

937
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:43,159
herself, you know, she's big
as she's ever been. Yeah. In

938
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:46,359
twenty and eighteen, she hosted the
Latin American Music Awards, and she gave

939
01:08:46,359 --> 01:08:50,039
a speech, and I think for
the first time she addressed all of this

940
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:55,479
in a new way than she had
been for years, because, like I

941
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:59,680
said, for years she continued to
blame the victims. But this is like

942
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:02,960
just snippets of her speech. Those
who don't know me and thus don't like

943
01:09:03,039 --> 01:09:05,880
me, have probably heard millions of
stories about me, among them that I

944
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:10,520
was in jail. Yes, it
took the Mexican justice sstem four years,

945
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:13,560
eight months, and eight days to
realize I was innocent. I was a

946
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:17,079
smoke screen for the deaths in the
city of Quatus. By condemning one woman,

947
01:09:17,319 --> 01:09:21,800
you can conceal the crimes of others. There are still people who discriminate

948
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:26,720
against me because they are ignorant.
This has to end. I'm not saying

949
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:29,359
this for me. I am fine, this has to end for them.

950
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:31,880
So there is not a single woman
in the world who, after facing her

951
01:09:32,039 --> 01:09:36,520
abuser, has to walk down the
street being signaled by some idiot who accuses

952
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:43,199
her of being a partner of her
worst nightmare tonight. I expose my life

953
01:09:43,279 --> 01:09:46,039
for them because I am them.
He was not my creator, and he

954
01:09:46,159 --> 01:09:50,279
did not discover me. Because with
or without him, I have proven I

955
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:59,199
am Gloria Trevi And I don't know
about the Uh why does she bring up

956
01:09:59,239 --> 01:10:03,840
the women? Yeah? I was
like, I she's saying basically she was

957
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:11,399
used to distract from the problem in
Whattace. Yeah, And I'm like,

958
01:10:12,399 --> 01:10:15,279
I don't think so. I don't
like that. Yeah, I don't.

959
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:18,359
I don't like that. She said. Uh, it's deflection at its finest,

960
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:21,319
is what I'll tell you. Like, I don't think she's truly accepted

961
01:10:21,359 --> 01:10:27,680
the accountability she she should be having
in the situation to say like, yeah,

962
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:31,880
she can do it without being solely
to blame. I think it's because

963
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:38,079
she hasn't done that piece yet that
people are so so quick to say,

964
01:10:38,199 --> 01:10:43,159
like this was year two like masterminds
behind this, creating this like cult of

965
01:10:43,279 --> 01:10:47,039
young women together. Yeah, and
like she could just distance herself and just

966
01:10:47,119 --> 01:10:51,680
say like I was a victim too, Like I this started with me,

967
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:57,199
you know, and I regret my
choices that I made or the way I

968
01:10:57,239 --> 01:11:00,560
felt like choices I had to make
because of the relationship I was in or

969
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:06,039
whatever. Like there's a way to
do it without being contrite like this.

970
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:11,800
Yeah. She does say something of
that sort later in her speech, but

971
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:15,279
I just don't. Yeah, the
wattest thing throws me off because that's really

972
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:19,239
like very unnecessary to me. I
don't know, and it kind of trivializes

973
01:11:19,359 --> 01:11:26,560
their deaths. It's kind of like
I was so important to cover up this

974
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:31,680
whole, like this incredible tragedy like
it it kind of does not. Yeah,

975
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:35,319
and it doesn't make sense because I
don't really feel like I know,

976
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:39,239
like I was. I mean,
obviously we're not in Mexico, so we

977
01:11:39,319 --> 01:11:43,199
didn't get the coverage from Mexico,
but we got some coverage about it all

978
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:47,800
and about uaet It's and I never, for me from Latin American coverage here

979
01:11:48,119 --> 01:11:53,880
in the United States. I never
saw like a like they were using Clodia

980
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:58,520
to take away to distract from.
I never saw that, like, I

981
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:02,000
never got that. Yeah, that
was very strange to me. Yeah,

982
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:09,000
and she in this moment kind of
became like a face for me too in

983
01:12:09,199 --> 01:12:14,399
Latin America. During this speech,
she does address her relationship with Saidjandrade,

984
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:17,479
which is something that she has never
done. She says that she was at

985
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:21,880
one time involved romantically, but she
was not his partner in crime. When

986
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:26,680
it came to the abuse of other
girls. She was only fifteen and then

987
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:30,399
he manipulated her, he beat her, and he abused her for seventeen years.

988
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:34,399
She says she was one of the
many who survived his abuse. At

989
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:40,279
the end of her speech, she
is met with a roaring applause. But

990
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:44,640
like I said, saido Andrade remains
free to this day. Don't teaching music

991
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:47,600
to children where I want to know
where I want. I'm just go I'm

992
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:51,920
a book flight right now. Fail
her out of jail. I'm going to

993
01:12:53,039 --> 01:12:56,560
Mexica to fail her. I don't
know how bail in Mexico works, so

994
01:12:57,199 --> 01:13:00,960
yeah, I will figure it out
for you. Okay, let's hope.

995
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:04,880
Anyway, Although someone hasn't walked up
to this man and just fucking shot him.

996
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:09,359
I don't know, I don't understand. This is when I would car

997
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:12,359
the cartel, I'd be like,
don't you like, isn't this one of

998
01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:16,800
your things? Somebody like this?
Yeah? For us, I don't know

999
01:13:17,079 --> 01:13:20,600
someone for everyone, for the world. I don't want that. For the

1000
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:30,079
children, children and community involved in
that way you saw drugs and you know,

1001
01:13:30,239 --> 01:13:34,279
to this day, Gloria remains well
loved for the most part. Many

1002
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:41,119
though, hate her more than like
said he himself, I feel like it's

1003
01:13:41,159 --> 01:13:44,760
half and half, like she's either
hated or loves like there's no one between.

1004
01:13:45,079 --> 01:13:47,439
Yeah, because they hate me.
That's her, that's her, that's

1005
01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:53,239
her. Like I was listening just
because whenever I'm covering something, I want

1006
01:13:53,279 --> 01:13:57,279
to listen to like everything that is
out there covering this topic. And that

1007
01:13:57,439 --> 01:14:00,880
is why in my brain there's like
thirty hours of content related to all this

1008
01:14:01,079 --> 01:14:06,680
case in them dying. But I
did listen. I'm so are we so

1009
01:14:09,359 --> 01:14:14,199
we're just melting? Seriously, I
listened to the least episode on the case.

1010
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:15,680
At the end of it, one
guy is like, I don't know,

1011
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:18,840
Like she's a victim, Yes,
she needs to be accountable a little

1012
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:21,560
bit too. But she makes great
music. I'm not gonna stop listening to

1013
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:25,640
her, is what he says.
They're guests for that episode. Then the

1014
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:28,680
host and I forget his name because
I know I never know who's who.

1015
01:14:29,199 --> 01:14:30,960
I forget his name too. Yeah, yeah, and I forget his name.

1016
01:14:31,039 --> 01:14:34,119
And I listened to them like religiously. But the host he's like,

1017
01:14:34,279 --> 01:14:39,119
fuck her. Whoever listens to her
music is like, it's just like her

1018
01:14:39,319 --> 01:14:44,119
supporting an abuser, not a little
much. I don't agree with him.

1019
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:47,600
He's like, whoever listens to her
music is might as well be an accomplice

1020
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:54,399
in her fucking crimes. Fuck her? Oh whoa. They have the audacity

1021
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:57,920
I don't like that, the audacity
to make her the me too spokesperson in

1022
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:00,479
twenty eighteen. She deserves to write
and hell and behind the waters. But

1023
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:04,359
I'm like, where was this energy
for Setian Rada because they are like fuck

1024
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:09,560
him. But he at the end
of this episode seems more mad about Gloria.

1025
01:15:10,279 --> 01:15:14,920
Well, Christina, she's a woman, Yeah, and like, while

1026
01:15:15,079 --> 01:15:18,960
I do believe there's some accountability to
be had, agreed her and Maddy did

1027
01:15:19,399 --> 01:15:24,319
spend time in prison already. Yeah, at the end of the day,

1028
01:15:24,359 --> 01:15:29,359
there is one person who needs to
be held responsible accountable should be dead.

1029
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:32,239
WHOA see, we see how we
talk. You see what I'm saying.

1030
01:15:32,239 --> 01:15:36,680
We're just doing the same thing.
Now, somebody's gonna listen and be like

1031
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:42,880
I was listening to this. But
there's no defending, said he. There

1032
01:15:43,079 --> 01:15:46,880
is a little defending Gloria. This
person that should be dead is yes,

1033
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:55,239
listen, I don't know Jesus and
somebody, please, somebody out there,

1034
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:58,840
just listen. And if you're listening, if you're real, what is that

1035
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:03,800
word that they use? Might him
him so that we can say you've been

1036
01:16:04,039 --> 01:16:15,000
smoted, you know. And in
twenty twenty three, there was a new

1037
01:16:15,119 --> 01:16:19,640
lawsuit facing Gloria Trevi. You gotta
pay up? Yeah, So it was

1038
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:27,119
actually filed on twelve thirty one,
twenty twenty two. Okay, regular wrong

1039
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:31,920
and yeah, a lossuit was filed
against Gloria Trevi and serjuandred under a twenty

1040
01:16:32,079 --> 01:16:38,880
nineteen California law which opened a three
year look back window for claims of child

1041
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:45,199
sexual abuse that would otherwise be barred
by the statute limitations. So this lawsuit

1042
01:16:45,319 --> 01:16:49,880
was able to be brought against them
here in California because the claims of abuse

1043
01:16:50,079 --> 01:16:54,760
in the lawsuit occurred in the United
States in LA and Texas. I think

1044
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:58,119
I saw it or remember now the
lawsuit brings back a lot of the stuff

1045
01:16:58,159 --> 01:17:01,199
you already talked about that would arev
recruited underage girls to be part of a

1046
01:17:01,239 --> 01:17:06,039
sex trafficking ring, and the lawsuit
accuses said jo Andrede of raping the woman.

1047
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:11,359
Then girls. They said choreographer and
they didn't name anybody, so I

1048
01:17:11,399 --> 01:17:15,239
don't know who that is. I
almost believe that it's probably Madi. Is

1049
01:17:15,319 --> 01:17:18,399
it Maddi. If it's not Maddi, then it's Marilene. It's one of

1050
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:23,359
the two. Okay, Yeah,
they didn't name that person, but yeah,

1051
01:17:23,399 --> 01:17:28,359
so they named that choreographer and Gloria
as his accomplices in the lawsuit.

1052
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:31,439
Apparently the lawsuits isn't actually named Gloria
or said Hugh by name, but it's

1053
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:35,680
clear by how they're described in the
lawsuit and then the timeframes that they use

1054
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:42,720
in the lawsuits. So the lawsuit
says describes Gloria as a famous and popular

1055
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:46,800
pop star and one of the most
highly compensated female artists in Latin America,

1056
01:17:47,359 --> 01:17:53,119
and said Hugh as one of the
most successful music producers in Mexico between nineteen

1057
01:17:53,159 --> 01:17:56,279
ninety one and nineteen ninety three.
Yeah, like who else would it be

1058
01:17:56,439 --> 01:18:00,800
addressing? Yeah? Right, And
in the lawsuit, plaintiffs identified only as

1059
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:05,359
Jane Doe one and two alleged that
Gloria Trevi approached them when they were thirteen

1060
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:12,159
and fifteen and learned them into joining
said Jo's fake music training program school where

1061
01:18:12,199 --> 01:18:15,000
we now know really what's happening.
Yeah, yeah, the lawsuit has a

1062
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:18,840
lot more details, but again you
already talked about that. One part does

1063
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:24,800
describe and go in detail about the
tactics that Gloria used to get Jane do

1064
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:30,239
One alone with Setiyo. And so
the lawsuit alleges that one day in late

1065
01:18:30,359 --> 01:18:34,439
nineteen ninety one or early nineteen ninety
two, Gloria then twenty three visited Jane

1066
01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:40,119
do One, then sixteen and told
her that said Hyo was extremely upset that

1067
01:18:40,279 --> 01:18:44,199
Jane do One had become friends with
one of the musicians in the band and

1068
01:18:44,359 --> 01:18:47,520
wanted to kick her out of the
academy slash fake school. So Gloria told

1069
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:49,720
Jane do One, I don't want
you to go. You need to go

1070
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:55,640
talk to Sekio do whatever. Is
necessary whatever he asks of you, because

1071
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:59,119
I want you to stay, and
Saidhio ended up telling Jane do One that

1072
01:18:59,199 --> 01:19:01,000
if she wanted to in the group, she had to have sex with him.

1073
01:19:01,319 --> 01:19:04,960
My god, disgusting. Yeah,
and this is the first time that

1074
01:19:05,079 --> 01:19:10,239
said Hugh. Course Janeo went into
sex and he was then thirty six.

1075
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:15,000
And then Jane do Too alleges that
Glodia invited her to an audition after splanning

1076
01:19:15,079 --> 01:19:18,920
her outside of a Mexico City radio
station, and then for the first part

1077
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:23,239
of the audition asked her to sing
and dance, but then for the second

1078
01:19:23,319 --> 01:19:27,920
part told her that she would need
to be nude, and Jane Doe too

1079
01:19:28,039 --> 01:19:32,680
refused, but she was allowed into
the fake school. Then months later,

1080
01:19:33,039 --> 01:19:38,840
when she was already in the in
the school, she alleges that Gloria told

1081
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:42,279
her she could be said Hell's girlfriend
and be the one to make him believe

1082
01:19:42,319 --> 01:19:47,439
in love again. Yeah. And
then she there's further allegations of how Glodia

1083
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:53,600
groomed her to perform sexual acts with
said Hyo and that said Hugh began sexually

1084
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:56,800
assaulting her when she was fourteen years
old. Oh, my god. And

1085
01:19:56,920 --> 01:20:00,439
then it describes everything that you talked
about and what they went through. And

1086
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:03,960
then I saw in a twenty eighteen
interview with El Pais and this was the

1087
01:20:04,039 --> 01:20:09,520
same magazine. I don't know what
it is that I found the information about

1088
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:14,399
the lawsuit, but that Gloria Trevi
claimed when she was but she said she

1089
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:17,640
was a victim of said hughes and
that she didn't blame the defendants who accused

1090
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:20,880
her. She said, I'm not
angry with the girls who said things about

1091
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:24,640
me, because I know that they've
suffered. I saw them suffer, and

1092
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:27,439
I knew that they were under great
pressure from the media, their family,

1093
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:30,680
and society. And then in January
twenty twenty three, after this lawsuit was

1094
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:35,880
filed, Gloria Trevi denied the allegations, saying the following, being a victim

1095
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:39,960
of physical and sexual abuse is one
of the worst things that can happen to

1096
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:42,800
a human being. I say it, and I know it because I'm a

1097
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:45,560
survivor, and my thoughts go out
to anyone who like me, has been,

1098
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:48,560
has ever been the victim of any
kind of abuse. But will not

1099
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:54,279
remain silent while I'm unfairly accused of
crimes. I did not commit these false

1100
01:20:54,319 --> 01:20:58,479
accusations, which were first made against
me twenty five years ago, had been

1101
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:02,399
tried in various courts, and all
instances I have been completely and totally acquitted.

1102
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:08,640
She continued. For these old,
disproven claims to resurface now is tremendously

1103
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:12,600
painful for me and for all my
family. The accusations were false when they

1104
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:15,520
were made and remain false today.
And then I tried looking at more stuff,

1105
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:19,079
and the only things I found in
late May and early June, well

1106
01:21:19,479 --> 01:21:28,079
we know that, and news broke
that retained trash back Camio Bascus to represent

1107
01:21:28,239 --> 01:21:31,359
her in this lawsuits. And for
those that don't know, she represented Johnny

1108
01:21:31,399 --> 01:21:36,560
Death. Oh my god, hence
the trash And didn't she have another problematic

1109
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:41,000
client too? I think so,
but I don't remember. I don't all.

1110
01:21:41,039 --> 01:21:44,680
I know she went like on a
media circus after witting and it was

1111
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:47,760
just horrible. Yeah. Did you
know she made a TikTok dance with Acy

1112
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:56,560
Slater? Did she? Oh?
My god, I forgot his name?

1113
01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:02,840
Why making fun of Amber heard the
TikTok down? Shut your mouth? Oh

1114
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:10,720
wow, I don't like it,
my god. Oh Okay, she briefly

1115
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:14,239
had Kanye West. That's a client
oh god. Yeah, I was like,

1116
01:22:14,319 --> 01:22:19,000
I knew she had one more problematic
client. Listen, everyone deserves representation.

1117
01:22:20,279 --> 01:22:30,439
Okay, this is the of the
United States. Okay, you know

1118
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:33,720
you can't be a trash bag with
it. Apparently. However, I do

1119
01:22:34,159 --> 01:22:40,920
believe that she has found herself a
nice little niche of like Celerity clients.

1120
01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:49,680
She's trying to be like the Gloria
Allred. Yeah, the other side the

1121
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:55,960
others, depending on which side of
depends on which side you believe of the

1122
01:22:56,520 --> 01:23:03,359
I'm not even the depth. She
also has a basketball player who's accused of

1123
01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:09,239
domestic violence and he's suing his wife
for defamation, which is literally play by

1124
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:15,880
trend started by Johnny Wow, precedence
has been created. It's a trash bag.

1125
01:23:15,119 --> 01:23:18,680
She has found her a little niche
there. So I don't think it's

1126
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:25,359
a good look that I agree it's
that's not that Gloria, but I mean

1127
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:28,199
it's not I don't think Glodia is
in the same league. I feel like

1128
01:23:28,239 --> 01:23:31,319
she should have found somebody else because
she's not on the same level. Although

1129
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:38,920
I almost like have seen comparisons of
like she's like Gallenne Maxwell between Gilain.

1130
01:23:39,239 --> 01:23:42,760
Yeah, I have a little blurb
about that. Oh oh well, what's

1131
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:45,880
your blurb? So yeah, in
late May and early June, she retained

1132
01:23:46,359 --> 01:23:50,279
what's her name, Camille And then
and it was the same team, not

1133
01:23:50,399 --> 01:23:55,439
just Camille, but the same team
that presented Johnny Depp from Camille's firm.

1134
01:23:55,760 --> 01:24:00,560
And so Glodia's legal team sought to
dismiss the complaint on various grounds, including

1135
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:04,439
lack of jurisdiction, and then also
sought to reveal the names of the Jane

1136
01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:10,279
does and what is the purpose of
seeking that? To defame them, to

1137
01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:16,359
victim blame and shame them. Yeah, so glodia digal team said the following,

1138
01:24:17,399 --> 01:24:23,680
This case represents an unjustified attack on
a victim of sustained sexual, mental,

1139
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:27,359
and physical abuse. Cloria Trevi was
one of the many young women who

1140
01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:30,479
suffered years of cruelty and abuse in
the eighties and nineties at the head one

1141
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:35,600
of the World's True Monsters. Defendant
serj Andrade, a man convicted of rape

1142
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:41,439
and other crimes in his native Mexico. Bizarrely, Miss Trevi is the first

1143
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:45,720
name defendant, with mister Andra this
second. It is regrettable that plaintiffs have

1144
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:50,439
chosen to target a woman who suffered
the very abuses they allege instead of focusing

1145
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:57,119
on the actual abuser at trial,
the truth will indicate Gloria Trevi and so

1146
01:24:57,199 --> 01:25:01,159
yeah, people have compared Glordia to
Gallad Maxwell, and in her defense,

1147
01:25:01,239 --> 01:25:05,079
Camille said, I think that people
will be surprised to learn this case could

1148
01:25:05,119 --> 01:25:10,520
not be more different than the Gilain
Maxwell case. The real defining difference to

1149
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:14,039
me is that Godet Devi was a
minor when she met at Juandred. She

1150
01:25:14,159 --> 01:25:17,479
was fourteen years old when she started
being abused by him. Even though I

1151
01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:23,119
believe the plaintiffs and some people will
want to paint her using the same brush,

1152
01:25:23,399 --> 01:25:26,119
this is a very different case.
You're dealing with the young woman who

1153
01:25:26,239 --> 01:25:30,560
was abused, kidnapped, sexually assaulted
for years as a miner herself and control

1154
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:33,199
by this man, as were the
other victims, including the plaintiffs, which

1155
01:25:33,319 --> 01:25:38,399
is fair. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, but I do agree. I

1156
01:25:38,479 --> 01:25:42,279
mean, like, yes, she's
not a technically a gizz. I don't

1157
01:25:42,279 --> 01:25:45,359
know how to say her name,
Gilaine. I want to say Gislaine Gilayne.

1158
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:51,199
Yeah, so I don't know.
I agree with that for sure,

1159
01:25:53,079 --> 01:25:56,199
Yeah, but you know, and
then I couldn't find any more information,

1160
01:25:56,479 --> 01:26:00,720
Like I couldn't find whether that motion
is probably what's it called, it's probably

1161
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:04,920
still in pro like still being well, like I mean part of the civil

1162
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:10,640
lawsuit piece, and like, in
terms of how people who have money abuse

1163
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:16,079
the court system is by filing motions
non stop so that the plaintiff's funds get

1164
01:26:16,239 --> 01:26:19,680
trained and then they have no more
money to fight. Yeah, so like

1165
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:23,960
that's I mean, it's not a
great tactic, but it is a tactic

1166
01:26:24,119 --> 01:26:28,760
that people often employ hoping that the
person will go away because they realize,

1167
01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:30,600
like, oh, we're nearing like
a quarter million dollars and I don't have

1168
01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:35,039
that unless somebody's taking it on pro
bono. You know. It's just another

1169
01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:39,600
way the system's kind of set up
to benefit the rich, and that's why

1170
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:45,720
we should be eating them. Yeah, exactly exactly. I do think so

1171
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:49,560
Gladia wasn't held accountable criminally because she's
a victim, right, but I do

1172
01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:54,680
feel like the civil Yeah, well
civil for sure, court is a way

1173
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:59,720
for her to be held accountable because
she did cause harm. Yes, she

1174
01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:04,000
was victimized, but she caused harm
and further, you know, victimization agree,

1175
01:27:04,319 --> 01:27:09,399
and the burdom of proof is much
smaller. Yeah, right, that

1176
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:12,000
too. Yeah. Yeah, we
could literally just be like, yeah,

1177
01:27:12,039 --> 01:27:15,720
a psychiatrist said you did this,
and they're like, cool, here's a

1178
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:17,680
million dollars, good luck to you. Yeah, Like I personally would have

1179
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:24,199
left to see like even settlement from
her to the both Jane does like if

1180
01:27:24,239 --> 01:27:27,479
it doesn't go to trial, m
it would be the right thing to do.

1181
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:30,920
Yeah, because, like we have
all said multiple times, at the

1182
01:27:31,039 --> 01:27:34,920
end of the day, even though
she was victimized herself for years, she

1183
01:27:35,159 --> 01:27:42,760
was also subjected to the same abuse. She is still responsible for her actions.

1184
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:45,920
Yeah, she still brought pain to
people. She still brought people to

1185
01:27:46,079 --> 01:27:51,680
this man, you know. So
yeah, like she's not guilty less and

1186
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:57,000
she's not more guilty than Seidiu and
the Dada himself. Yeah. Yeah,

1187
01:27:57,479 --> 01:28:01,439
but yeah, any final thoughts before
we go. It was a lot and

1188
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:05,239
I think truly, you know,
you got to take care of yourself when

1189
01:28:05,239 --> 01:28:10,199
you're listening to things like this and
stuff and not dwell too much on it,

1190
01:28:10,359 --> 01:28:15,119
knowing too that like there are people
who are trying to do the right

1191
01:28:15,199 --> 01:28:17,960
thing in the sense of you have
the civil lawsuit that will hopefully see its

1192
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:23,199
way through the court system in a
positive way for the victims who've come forward.

1193
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:30,119
But then you also have like listen, social media culture is really powerful

1194
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:32,920
in a way, Like you know, I think that there's always going to

1195
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:38,720
be something that's going to hold these
people accountable even if they can't get justice

1196
01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:42,079
in a court system, and you
know, we just hope that it continues.

1197
01:28:42,119 --> 01:28:45,079
That's what I hope anyway. I
think for me, it's just important

1198
01:28:45,119 --> 01:28:51,720
to remember that there's a nuance to
this and except when it comes to fold

1199
01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:57,600
them right there, when it comes
to Gloria and the victims, there's just

1200
01:28:57,720 --> 01:29:00,800
full blown like nuance there. We
can't. Yeah, like it'd be remiss

1201
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:03,960
to be like, oh, she's
she's like that guilty, she's the worst.

1202
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:06,920
She's a human trafficker. She killed
her baby. What you hear?

1203
01:29:08,119 --> 01:29:13,680
And that's what I remember, like
about the media coverage from when this was

1204
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:15,560
happening and when we were growing up, like, oh, she killed her

1205
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:19,840
baby, Oh she is a rapist, Like that's what I remember hearing.

1206
01:29:20,199 --> 01:29:24,000
I don't remember, honestly, I
remember hearing about her being a victim.

1207
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:28,560
I don't remember that not too Like
that's shameful because she she was a victim

1208
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:31,760
and she suffered like immensely at the
hands of this man. And at the

1209
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:36,600
hands of this man, she further
victimized other young girls, right, and

1210
01:29:36,760 --> 01:29:39,880
we like, we can't, you
know, forget that, we can't put

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01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:43,000
her in the same level. It's
like Weinstein whatever I did say that,

1212
01:29:43,079 --> 01:29:45,439
right Weinstein? Oh my god,
harve you Weinstein? Yeah? Yeah,

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01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:48,880
even Gilene Maxwell herself, like,
you can't put yeah, yeah, they're

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01:29:48,920 --> 01:29:54,199
not the same Weinstein. There you
gonna say sand Oh yeah, well fuck

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01:29:54,279 --> 01:29:58,560
him? Is he dead? Here's
the alive? Not yet? Not yet?

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01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:10,880
No, next cross your downfall again? Hell, that's wrong with Reagan

1217
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:15,800
and everyone else? Oh my god? Who Henry Kissinger? Oh my god,

1218
01:30:15,359 --> 01:30:18,960
Oh my god. Anyway, yeah, so this brings to the end

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01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:23,960
of the episode. I hope that
everyone not enjoyed, but maybe learned more

1220
01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:29,399
about the case and was going around
back then. Yeah, yeah, and

1221
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:32,960
anything to plug before we go for
each each of you. I'm too tired.

1222
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:36,880
Can you just do it for me? Okay, Well, Carmen wants

1223
01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:41,119
to plug. Our other podcast,
Estodia is Unknown, where we talk about

1224
01:30:41,319 --> 01:30:45,239
platin American history and sometimes it's very
depressing, sometimes it's very uplifting, but

1225
01:30:45,399 --> 01:30:47,800
it's stuff that you didn't learn about
in school that maybe you're like man,

1226
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:51,319
I wish I would have learned that. And then our other podcast is Novelo.

1227
01:30:51,439 --> 01:30:56,319
We recap of our childhood and talked
about them, and we also have

1228
01:30:56,399 --> 01:31:00,840
a fun new segment where we talk
about internet chisme and that'll its own podcast

1229
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:03,000
soon but not yet. I love
that. Look at you coming from my

1230
01:31:03,079 --> 01:31:09,079
crown of forty podcasts. Thanks Christina. I know because we have we have

1231
01:31:09,239 --> 01:31:13,880
problems same we have adhds or eighty
D and I just wrote Carmen into my

1232
01:31:14,319 --> 01:31:19,039
yeah, so it makes sense the
tracks. Yeah, yeah, winter break

1233
01:31:19,159 --> 01:31:23,760
is coming up for us in terms
of a show on It's Haunted What Now,

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01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:27,640
So we are going to be releasing
a few episodes from our friends.

1235
01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:31,119
Spooky Tales is part of that,
Susto as well, and then a couple

1236
01:31:31,239 --> 01:31:34,439
other shows we're going to be doing
that. We take our break on the

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01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:39,520
fifteenth and then from there every week
we will be releasing episodes from our friends.

1238
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:43,199
So there's that, yes, And
then also I'll link Lady's all of

1239
01:31:43,479 --> 01:31:46,479
all her other podcasts in the descriptions. Just follow my link tree. Yeah.

1240
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:49,239
Yeah, everything's there, And thank
you so much to both of you

1241
01:31:49,359 --> 01:31:57,079
for spending almost two hours. Nothing
I would rather spend time talking about.

1242
01:31:57,199 --> 01:32:00,640
Yeah, this was a lot.
I'm surprised I didn't get a peak and

1243
01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:05,840
your spooky recommendation two things, huh, I remember I said, I don't.

1244
01:32:06,039 --> 01:32:09,840
I should have written it down when
I was thinking about it. Did

1245
01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:14,640
you forget it? I did?
But that's okay. Oh, I was

1246
01:32:14,720 --> 01:32:16,399
going to tell you the Exorcist files. You're the one who recommended it,

1247
01:32:16,479 --> 01:32:20,199
right or was it MJ? That
was me? Yeah? Crazy, that

1248
01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:25,239
is good. But all verinful like
they I mean, they're shaming you if

1249
01:32:25,279 --> 01:32:30,359
you are into the metathetical whatsoever.
They're all like, get ready for the

1250
01:32:30,439 --> 01:32:35,000
relationship. You just opened up with
the devil. Hope you're ready. And

1251
01:32:35,079 --> 01:32:41,760
I'm like, oh my god,
okay, sorry, I said it a

1252
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:43,640
bunch of times. So when I
recommended it, I was like, it

1253
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:46,720
is it's highly religious, like truly, I mean it is. Yes,

1254
01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:51,560
it's very focused on the religious part
of it. And how like Jesus saves

1255
01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:55,600
everything is your fault, you know, possessed. Yeah, and you're a

1256
01:32:55,680 --> 01:32:59,840
dummy. So so yeah, I
was like that that sounds right, that's

1257
01:33:00,039 --> 01:33:02,119
it was like my childhood. I
love that. Yeah, I like the

1258
01:33:02,279 --> 01:33:05,680
I mean it was a great recommendation
for show, so I would say,

1259
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:11,760
yes, wonderful, great love it. But also, you know, trauma

1260
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:18,479
bonding us all three Catholics from I
don't recovering, Yeah, recovering Catholics.

1261
01:33:19,800 --> 01:33:26,600
Yeah, I'm in. I'm in
remission from Catholicism. No offense to anybody.

1262
01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:30,479
I don't really care what anybody believes
in. That's your thing. Do

1263
01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:35,600
your thing. Oh man, Yes, but yeah, great, great spooky

1264
01:33:35,680 --> 01:33:41,720
recommendation. So I appreciate that.
You're welcome. Thank you, Carmens.

1265
01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:45,359
You have an ear No, no, no, yeah, I actually don't

1266
01:33:45,359 --> 01:33:48,039
either. I have not been watching
anything. I've been watching Christmas movies so

1267
01:33:49,079 --> 01:33:55,039
night remember before Christmas is spooky.
I watched that on Halloween. You're on

1268
01:33:55,119 --> 01:33:58,439
the side of it's a Halloween movie, not a Christmas movie. It's both.

1269
01:33:59,279 --> 01:34:01,840
Yeah, I agree. I watch
it year round because I love it.

1270
01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:08,960
I watch die Hard on Christmas.
I've never seen that. I have

1271
01:34:09,119 --> 01:34:12,039
never seen that either. Do you
hate Bruce Wallis too? Or should I

1272
01:34:12,199 --> 01:34:15,920
like? Because if he's canceled,
he has dementia like he can't be canceled

1273
01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:21,479
anymore. You okay, I like
listen. I never have not heard one

1274
01:34:21,920 --> 01:34:30,680
about that. Just like leave him. He's probably you know, you can't.

1275
01:34:30,680 --> 01:34:32,479
Oh my god, No, he's
good. I can't never seen it,

1276
01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:36,159
and I'm not I'm not too big
on action movies. Oh I say.

1277
01:34:36,159 --> 01:34:41,079
I think we're because we're first jen
Mexicans and you know, sometimes you

1278
01:34:41,199 --> 01:34:45,800
miss yeah movies. Yeah, all
the big ones that people are like,

1279
01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:47,920
oh my god, you haven't seen
that, and that's one of them.

1280
01:34:48,159 --> 01:34:53,479
Had ever seen that? Yeah?
If I did, it was in Spanish,

1281
01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:58,359
right, Oh my god. When
water World was on UNIVC on for

1282
01:34:58,520 --> 01:35:03,680
like ever and it's like Kevin Gustner
and yes, yes, yeah, it

1283
01:35:03,840 --> 01:35:06,439
was like that. My brother watched
that all the time and I was like,

1284
01:35:06,680 --> 01:35:11,359
you literally have it in English.
So but okay, enjoy the dubbing.

1285
01:35:12,039 --> 01:35:15,680
Yeah, the dubbing is always bad
too, same voices. Okay,

1286
01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:21,800
well I have kept you bo so
no, I'm sorry you're holding me off.

1287
01:35:23,039 --> 01:35:26,800
She has to pee. You can't
say that on this episode and that

1288
01:35:27,119 --> 01:35:31,960
you're right, sorry, no you
said it. It's a great that's cut

1289
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:36,359
it, but save it for later. You know it's actually gonna be at

1290
01:35:36,399 --> 01:35:41,800
the top, right, Oh yeah, please disclaimer on the child debts.

1291
01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:45,359
My god, oh man, yeah, so yeah, thank you both so

1292
01:35:45,479 --> 01:35:47,800
much for joining. I will link
everything you're pugs in the show notes,

1293
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:53,439
and everyone else say a spooky I
think after this it'll be also a spooky

1294
01:35:53,520 --> 01:35:56,560
TOAs break for a couple of weeks, and we'll feature episodes from Sister and

1295
01:35:56,680 --> 01:36:00,520
It's Hunted But now, yeah and
yeah, say a spooky got to ruin

1296
01:36:00,520 --> 01:36:08,039
next time. Bye Bye. Spooky
Tales is hosted by Christina and MJ,

1297
01:36:08,359 --> 01:36:14,279
produced and edited by Christina. Everything
is written and researched by Christina MJ and

1298
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:17,159
with the help of Don Shout Out
Don. Thank you so much for your

1299
01:36:17,279 --> 01:36:21,600
help. If you love what you
hear, consider living us a five star

1300
01:36:21,720 --> 01:36:26,399
review. If you don't, then
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01:36:26,439 --> 01:36:30,760
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1302
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:33,239
can also find some of the same
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1303
01:36:33,359 --> 01:36:36,479
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1304
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:42,159
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1305
01:36:42,239 --> 01:36:47,079
Patreon go over to patreon dot com
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1306
01:36:47,199 --> 01:36:51,119
least fifteen bonus episodes right now,
and we do at least one a month,

1307
01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:57,000
sometimes two, depending on how we
are feeling. If you want to

1308
01:36:57,199 --> 01:37:01,079
support the podcast and don't can't,
or don't want to, that's fine,

1309
01:37:01,199 --> 01:37:05,520
join the Patreon then consider getting some
merch. We have an adorable beanie that

1310
01:37:05,680 --> 01:37:10,960
I love. I absolutely adore it. It's so comfy, it's warm,

1311
01:37:11,359 --> 01:37:15,479
it has a spooky in Old English
letters. There's also a baseball hat in

1312
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:17,319
the same way as spooky and Old
English letters, and that's what I wear

1313
01:37:17,359 --> 01:37:20,720
in the summers. They're both awesome
hats. And there's other things in there,

1314
01:37:20,840 --> 01:37:25,680
like the no Mama's shirts, which
is a very popular shirt. If

1315
01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:29,399
you like history, check out my
other podcast, Istodia is Unknown, hosted

1316
01:37:29,560 --> 01:37:32,800
with the unofficial official guest co host
of a Spooky Tels, Carmen, And

1317
01:37:32,920 --> 01:37:38,239
if you like no VELAs, checkout
Novelaskokfusito, which Carmen and I also host

1318
01:37:38,359 --> 01:37:42,560
together. And yeah, we love
every single listen every single a spooky Thank

1319
01:37:42,600 --> 01:37:44,560
you so much, Stay as Spooky