Hi everyone. This is Christina and this is Spooky Tells. Today we are
doing part two of Gloria Trevi and there's no MG again, but I have
two amazing guests today. Lady's back Hello, back again, and Carmen and
me. I'm here. We had our We already had our awkward encounter.
You guys, you missed all of it. They already fought and I was
like, have you heard of me? And she's like, yeah, okay,
cool, how's it going? But I can share the spotlight, so
it's okay, thank you better than me, that's for sure. Oh yeah,
sorry, I'm like, oh it's lee at night and I'm tired,
but you can't take her meds. No, They're like they're worn out by
now, so it's yeah, so basically yeah, I didn't take them and
so I'm very tired. There we are, Yes, here we are for
part two. But first a listener story and Lany so kindly let us borrow
one of her listeners stories again. But if you have a story that you
want to send into the podcast, you can email at Spooky Tales at gmail
dot com. You can dm us on any of our socials. You can
record a voice note and attach that to an email. You can also call
the Espooky hotline dot numbers in the show notes because I don't know it.
And yeah, I think that's everything. That's it. Yeah, so let's
hear this listener story. Okay, So last time I was on, I
had Amelia. I shared her story, and I just remembered she had a
part two, so we can kind of have a conclusion to Amelia's you know,
paranormal experiences. So she says, Hey, it's Amelia again. I
sent the story about the Rockman, and I'm here to talk about my childhood
spirits that you seem to be curious about and a few extra paranormal experiences I've
had as a medium. So I completely forgot she was a medium too until
just now. Wow. So first is the Gray Man. I think she
mentioned him in the last episode and the next ghost that she sees too,
but she just briefly talked about them, like said their name and that was
it, but focused mostly on the rock Man. Lots of man's here,
yes, lots of men invading this child's space. Oh man, typical even
in the afterlife. Wow, they don't get better in the afterlife. This
is like worse because of like that what recovery? Oh, I know,
right. Also, let's disclaim her too, because I like, I'm a
like a jokey, laughing kind of person too with hard topics and stuff.
But like, I don't think I just in case because you guys seem to
sometimes get those people that like to call you out for random things that like
normal people do all the time. True. True, Yeah, So let's
just disclaim her now and say, like, we're not making fun of the
situation or anything like that. Like obviously we take it seriously, which is
why we're covering it to spread awareness, especially for people who don't know about
this. You know, it's a pretty tragic case altogether, so and serious
topics, but for me, levity helps me be able to get through it
without it being such a draining topic. Just on your own energy. Yes,
same with me and Carmen. I speak for both of us. Because
she just started eating. She's like, mm hmmm, no, I'm not
eating. I have Yeah, Okay, so she says, first, the
gray Man, I was one to three while I experience these things. I
lived in South Dakota during this time. The gray Man had a gray green
blue pale skin color. He had messy white hair. Along with the short,
untamed beard. He had long fingernails that curled in I'd say maybe four
inches long. While I would sleep, he would poke my palms and my
underfoot. He would do that until I would wake up, only to see
him for a small fraction of a second. My aunt lived with me during
this time, and she has told me about the times I would sleep walk
talking about the gray man. I slept downstairs and my aunt slept upstairs.
To get to her room, I would have had to get out of my
secured crib, open the door without my mom hearing me, walk up seven
stairs, get to the foyer, walk up seven more steps, turn left,
walk about ten feet, turn left into her room. My aunt told
me while I was sleepwalking, I sang, there's a man in Auntie's room,
and he's what gray? I don't know. It literally tells me to
drop a few octaves, So that's what and I turned around, walked downstairs
and fell back asleep. Mind you, this is during the witching hour,
which she says is midnight. I thought it was three am, but maybe
twelve to three am. It's midnight, two three am or something like that.
No, yeah, anytime a child between the ages of one to three
is walking out of their crib singing about a gray man is a witching hour,
and which is really inappropriate. Yeah, yeah, you're right, you're
right, And I would like it to stop immediately. I'd be like,
m no, nope, nope. And I have cameras in my house like
inside now, so that would like freak me out if I was like,
I don't want to watch it. That's a clip out of a horror movie.
It's like paranormal activity. It's freaky, okay. So then her second
ghost is Little That was her name. I saw her during the same time
of my life as the Gray Man. Somehow I know that she is eight
years old. She wore a white nightgown. She was pale, had elbow
length, straight blonde hair, and covered in blood. She liked to stand
in corners where a light couldn't reach, or at the top of the stairs.
She would stare at me and scream. While she let out these blood
curdling screams, she never looked scared, only her mouth was open and her
eyes seemed dead. Disturbing. This is worse, This is worse, more
just serving than the one three year old scene about the Gray Man. I
don't think that she wasn't scared, She's just scareaming. It reminds me of
what's that girl from The Ring or whatever. There's that little other movie that's
kind of like a trilogy of The Ring. I don't know, I haven't
seen it. She's just like screams. Yes, I think it's the precursor
to The Ring. Yeah, freaky because it was like what a Japanese folklore
tale or something of that nature, not like that. That was freaking Okay.
So third and final. Many years after this happened and of moving to
different states, I moved back to the same house in South Dakota and I'm
currently living there. I don't see the Gray Man or Little anymore, but
I experience new things in this house all the time. Since I'm a medium,
I talk to them in ways that most people can't. I recently met
a girl I do not know her name, though she died in the last
eighteen sixties during the war between white men and indigenous tribes in South Dakota.
She is Native eighteen or nineteen years old and has been watching over the house
before it was even built, meaning she has been watching over the land I
believe she was part of the flund drou tribe. She is kind and protects
me, my girlfriend and my roommate slash best friend. I speak to her
using dowsing rods and a spirit box, but I will never use a wija
board. I'm sure I will send in some more stories of new experiences with
the spirits in my house, but that's all for now, and I think
that's enough. She sounds so nice. She deserves a nice ghost after where
she's been throwed. Yeah, oh my god, right, imagine no peace
for yourself even when you're a baby. Oh my god, no, right,
like when you should be like totally unaware of like your life around you
and the surroundings, like you just are plagued by ghosts, and then a
girl screaming in the middle of the night, horrify somewhere, horrified, terrible.
I hate it. Also so wild that her memory starts then, because
the first thing I remember is like fourth grade. Well, remember she said
the first she had a haunt. She has a photographic memory, so she
like remembers everything so specifically, which also sucks. Yep, I would not
want that. I would want that, but not for ghosts, right,
I would want that, but not for trauma we'd like to avoid, so
creepy. Well, I guess let's move on to the terrible topic for today
part two. Yes, of the Andrada clan as it's known. Now,
did you name it or is that no, that's what it's referred to.
Oh okay, yeah in Spanish, I was like, look at you.
Interesting how her name is first, it doesn't even alphabetically make sense. And
also she's not like the main abuser you know, you know why, right,
but because she's a woman. Yeah, we just talked about that last
episode too, where we were like, she's getting more of the flak than
even Sergio is, and he's literally the one who started the whole thing.
You know, She's gotten trauma from both sides, like from her family specifically
her mom and then now Sergio and then the world. So yeah, she's
still like still has to be held accountable, but she's more of a victim
than Sergerio, like you said, not more accountable than said and himself,
which is something I mean, Well, we'll get into it. We'll just
I'll just start where I left this off. Actually something I left out because
there's so much right and last episode was already like an hour and a half
long. But something that I left out is that all the girls that came
across, there's just so many. If I had words to name mama,
we'd be here like ten hours. Yeah damn, but yeah, there's just
so many. It's difficult to get into every single one. A couple of
Gloria Trevi's younger cousins were recruited by her at some point and left the cult.
Oh, I didn't know that. I didn't know that either. That's
so sad, m H. And I want to say, no, no,
no, I don't think her younger sister was ever. Her younger sister
visited them in Brazil. But according to Marie Bokitas, that's another thing I
wanted to say. I think I last episode, in the entire time,
I called her Maria, but it's Marie. Oh I thought it was Maria
Bugitas. No, no, no, the actual nickname is Marie Bokitas.
And the whole time I said Maria, so yes, that is for us.
Sorry, we'll forgive you, thank you, thank you. Yes.
According to Maria Bukitas, Gloria trevis sister visited them in Brazil, which we'll
get into. But she was never abused, so that's good to know.
There was another girl, fifteen year old Wendy Castello. She was from La
Paz, Baja, California. And then there was the La Cuesta sisters who
also are play a big part in what happened. So the first the Laquista
sister was Katya the La Cuesta, and she met Gloria and one of her
concerts and they're from Puebla. Katya la la Cuesta then recruited her younger sister,
and then they recruited Carola, the youngest sister, and so there you
were kind of the ones that set this new rule and the cult that then
if there was an older sister, she was to bring along the younger sisters.
Oh like that? No, Yeah, highly disturbing. And so they
were the first sisters. But then this became a common practice for them to
either recruit younger sisters or cousins, which actually Gloria had already done too.
They all arrived before Marlene and I did go into Marlene's recruitment in part one.
So she was the young thirteen year old girl that was recruited by Arlene
Ernandez who she did it so that she could uh get her album made and
oh yeah, yeah yeah and leave both So yeah, all those things just
to like highlight the gravity and like depth of his predatory like behavior. Yes,
exactly. And all this happens because the last episode we left off,
when they were about to all leave to Spain, everything was kind of falling
apart for Satiuo Andrade, like Adleen's book was about to come out. Pati
Chapoy was speaking about all these things NonStop on Ventaniando and then the calendar,
the discussing calendar that came out, all these things and the rumors were not
going away. I did. Yeah, I want to mention the other girls
because all of them were recruited before Spain, and I didn't mention them last
episode. There was also concerts two Fine Gloria trevilokalikes before all this, and
this was also a way they recruited more girls, like a front, Yeah,
like a front, that's the perfect word for it. And they did
these in Mexico and also all over Latin America. So one of these was
held in Chile and this is where fifteen year old Editsuniga was recruited. And
then she brought along her younger sister whose name I somehow didn't write down,
so my bad. But those were the Sunniga sisters and they were recruited from
Chile and they were also this will all come back, which is why I
wanted to mention like even more names, because I think by the time they're
in Brazil, there's like twelve girls at least. Yeah, he brought like
half, I mean like a dozen or more with them. Yeah, too
many, too many. So I know you're not going to get into everybody.
But what is like the ballpark of like a number of victims, like
hundreds, You know, it's hard to say because some people never came forward,
but I think we can assume. Yeah, the main group of girls,
I want to say, we're probably fifteen ish that were in the house
the whole time. But according to mari Wokitas, girls came and went in
the house that didn't never stayed, including like groy Gas cousins. And then
at the school Marii Bokita's in her podcast in Brokasrad I mentions like abuse happened
there too, and they they were never like living in the house, but
that was an abuse that happened there too. So I don't have a number.
I wish we knew. Actually, I think it's safe to say hundreds
for sure, because he had to have been doing this before hundreds, just
the access that he had. And I know you talked about what's her name,
Lucetto, Lucero. Oh sorry, she's Lucetto now La back then,
yeah, Lusetto. And he was already an adult right when he was like
groomy her, like definitely late twenties, yes, and words that we don't
know of. So that means if he was that outright with her, that
he already had a pattern established at this point. So who knows how many
victims he probably had beginning probably from his teens, yes, because it starts
young. Yeah yeah, yeah, and he could have maybe even targeted family
members because it's easy, true to do. So I mean like he probably
has you know, like you said, hundreds of victims, including likely members
of his own family. Yes, which is really even more like devastating because
it just doesn't stop. You know, there's no end insight or anything like
that. Even with the focus on his crimes and stuff, you have to
imagine like the depth of his depravity really, and he looks like he is
a predator. Yeah, yeah, now I know why his mom liked his
brother better the shade, and who knows if his brother's not the same.
We don't know. We don't know. True, he's a politician, so
you never know. Yoh. Now, with all that mentioned, all the
girls I didn't mention in part one, We're going to go back to where
we were. Gloria had announced at a concert that she had promised Abiti Madia
that she wasn't going to sing until said Kyo had a been cured from cancer,
and so she was like essentially retiring until said he was better. This,
of course was a lie. There was never any cancer, and really
things were just heating up for him in Mexico and he needed to leave like
as soon as possible, and this was like a way for them to have
Gloria, who arguably was the biggest star in Mexico at the time, away,
for her to step down from the limelight and like go into hiding.
Essentially, like she needed to say something. She couldn't just disappear, right,
So this is what she said. But at the same time it left
people so confused because it's like, why would it matter if said he has
cancer? Who, like, you know, who cares because they were they
were also denying their being in a relationship. Yeah, the relationship for years,
because what year was it? This was ninety was it ninety seven or
ninety six? I lose track of This had to be ninety six because they
were hiding for like a year, and because I know he got married again
like that the year after whatever, So I was like, if it was
before that, so then yeah, like ninety six and stuff. So wait,
when did he get married? He got he he got married like twenty
When was this time that you're talking to? Ninety seven? One to Sonya?
That's right, Sonya and Sonya. They were already abroad when it happened
with Sonya. So yeah, so his last his last wife before Sonya was
obviously Alene. So oh Alena? Yeah, why did I add an art
to her name earlier? No one's thought, I'll let you do what you
do. It's your show. It's your show. Yeah, my bad,
that was whatever I said. My bad again, my brain fried. So
we're here for you. It's okay, thank you, thank you. So
this was the line they came up with to have him move, So yeah,
this must be it must have been ninety six. So first, said
Heyo announced that he was leaving with one of the girls and Gloria to a
and then he left Mari Borkitas and Gabriela, another one of the girls in
charge of like all the bills and stuff back in Mexico, and just the
audacity of like this man. And then not long after said he was sent
for Marie to get some papers from him in Argentina and told her that soon
there would be like a book with lies by Aline and that she needed to
go visit her family to kind of like calm the waters before things blew up
or whatever. Right, So whenever the girls visited their families, they had
to go in pairs. They couldn't go alone because you know, the system
he created was for them to spy on each other, snitch on each other
if someone was like not acting right, and so this buddy system was for
them to keep doing that, to keep spying on each other. So she
went to see her family with Carla the La Cuesta. When Mari Wokitas and
Carla returned to the house that they had in Mexico, said Heo called her
that he wanted her and then like several of the other girls to go to
Spain, but everyone thought he was already he was an ascentina, so that
was like also another like confusing part of it all. And all the girls
were doing the same thing, visiting their family members in pairs to say,
oh, we're gonna be quote unquote touring and recording records music and rehearsing,
yeah, abroad. But it was a lie. So they did as they
were told. They went to Spain, and then soon the rest of the
girls were there, and just the way that they were, they have been
referred to this whole time as like uh n adam, which I don't know
what the like, a harem thank you hair exactly the same. It's like,
I don't know the word in English for it, it's the same.
Okay, Yeah, they were all they were for two as his harem.
Which is this I don't know, disturbing to me, yeah, disgusting.
Yeah. And these are all children, yeah, by the way, so
not like these can't even be a harem exactly. The only adults at this
point are like Gloria, Riya Maddi. And then I want to say Marilene
is the next oldest one, mm hmm. And then after that I want
to say most of them are definitely twenty and under, then eighteen and under,
and then there's like a couple that are fifteen, and then the youngest
is Karina Yapor he's like fourteen, yes, fourteen. So they all got
to Spain. In Spain, said he'll continued his physical abuse. He starved
the girls some days, making them eat nothing but a small piece of bread.
Other times nearly rotten food that they got from restaurants. Oh my god,
like restaurants were about to throw away their food, and they had to
go beg for this food and that's what they ate. I don't think this
is where he made them beg for money yet it is? It is,
okay, yeah, it's before they went to Brazil. Yeah, okay,
so yeah, in Spain, they all had to beg for money, including
Gloria Trevi. But didn't people recognize her? Was she cut her hair out?
Yeah, and then like you know America. Yeah, and they all
had raggedy, beat up clothes most of the time. So yeah, nobody
recognized her, which is isn't that crazy? You just like have this globe
like well, national superstar, not yet global superstar. No. No,
she was pretty at least because Spain is a Spanish speaking country. There's no
way she wasn't known. Yeah, but do you think they would have recognized
her in Spain. I think so to the extent that they would have in
Mexico and stuff, or any Latin American country, I know, any Latin
American country she was big in. But honestly, I don't know. I
feel like Spain is pretty similar, though I don't know, I've never been.
I do know a lot of the art artists that are popular in Latin
America are usually popular in Spain also, So then yeah, I mean that
would be crazy to me if I was seeing like Britney Spears, you know,
like out on the only equivalent I have, like out on the street
being like can you give me like five pennies or whatever? They use to
like buy food that they couldn't even buy because he was always like, you
can't eat unless I give you permission to eat. So like it was literally
just to get money for what to pay for where they were staying, you
know. Yeah, So it's all an exercise and control, that's all it
is. Because like he had the he had, Yeah, he was flushed
with cash for the most part, right because he was. It's not like
they're staying in freaking hotels. He's an old man with like a dozen young
women and children. So it's not like he's staying in a freaking hotel.
Who's going to sit there and go like why is you know, why are
and especially with how they look, you know, they look terrible, they
look malnourished. Yeah, so there's there's somewhere hidden, somewhere they're not going
to be seen. Yeah. Yeah, so he's spending all, like all
of his money on just like real estate and and Gloria's money because she's the
money maker, like one of the bigger money makers in the group. And
so yeah, they would eat almost rotten restaurant food that was about to be
thrown away. They were forced to sleep on the floor. They barely ate.
Actually in this the first time they were in. For several months,
they did stay in hotels. He stayed in a fancy hotel nearby, and
they were like in a beat up hotel. Oh my god. His favorite
girl at the time would be the one to stay with him in the fancy
hotel, and tbh, most of the time it was Gloria Treville. It's
not a good look. So most of the time him and Groodia stayed at
her fancy hotel, and then everyone else was at the other cheaper hotel and
they were out eating an actual restaurants. But even then, not all the
time. She was still subject to abuse. Yeah, and then it turns
out while they were there that Karina Yapo, who was fourteen, was pregnant.
Noah could tell because she was so malnourished that none of them were getting
periods. Her belly wasn't getting that big, you know, so said he
sent her to get an abortion, but then he learned it was going to
be a girl, and he changed his mind because then he could make her
part of the quote unquote family. And by that he didn't mean his family
has a daughter. He meant make her one of the girls. He abused.
Yeah, we know what he meant. Yeah, yeah, okay.
I don't like it's going on disturbing. I just it was unnecessary. Whenever
something is very disturbing, I just keep talking more, you know, you
like, explain it more in depth. I think you're trying to intellectualize it
so that it doesn't seem as you don't feel the feelings of it. I
think you're right I think, oh my god, what is this therapy?
Well is a social worker. It's a social work right now. He did
not agree, like I have to go to Dan. But no, that's
that's I mean a great way to put it too. Truly, I think
that's really disturbing on something. I mean in what I do, like in
terms of the true crime piece, like unfortunately, cases like this are a
dime a dozen, you know what I mean, Like this isn't even the
depths of depravity that you could get to, which is even more disturbing and
shameful. You know. Yeah, he changed his mind because you know now
it was the girl, and so she went back to Spain. At the
time, in Mexico, rumors continued to spread, Aileen, oh my fucking
god, and all my notes I wrote, isn't her sister Adlene? Is
that what you're doing that? Or am I? And R you said Madlene?
Always mad lenin never mind, I'm making sure that I'll just put you
up here the expert way in here. Yeah, Ani, yes, yes,
it is Alene Alene. Okay, So Alena's book released, then there
was an attempt to like bring charges with it and set you sent Gloria and
Marie to Mexico to calm these rumors down. And they had no idea of
the gravity of the situation that awaited them in Mexico to the and they were
just gonna go like, oh, calm the family down, like they always
did whenever things happened, Like, calm their That's what they thought they were
doing. So they were making rounds with the press, like press that they
had never encountered prior to this. They were denouncing Aline, saying she was
trying to get money, she was just doing this for attention, you know,
the usual talking points. Yeah, Yeah, survivors are met with and
at this time they also met with prosecutors and they had to and they did
defend Sejio and the charges were dropped. And I guess there was just not
enough evidence to pursue an actual criminal case at this point from Alene because she
submitted her book as evidence and then the prosecutor threw it out as if her
word wasn't like enough, So there was no charges. So before leaving Mexico,
they stopped with their families, you know, said like, oh,
everything's okay. We're just doing this abroad work recording, we're traveling all lies
of course, and before heading back to Spain, Marie was supposed to go
to Chile to take the Suniga sisters, the ones I mentioned earlier, to
see their family members because again this this, these news were it was all
over Latin America, and so said he had to try and like calm down
the families of these other girls that he had taken, said to himself,
met them in Chile, and which is something he never did. He never
met with the families himself. He always sent the girls and so that was
like a sign that it was not things were not good. And so he
was in like a hotel by himself as always with usually with Gloria, and
then the rest of the girls were in a separate hotel. While they were
in these hotels, one of the Suniga sisters, I'm not sure which one
tried to escape to go back to the parents' house. The other one followed,
so they both went back home. Basically, oh good. Once he
noticed they were gone, said yo, Mari, Gloria and maybe some a
couple more that were with them. Not everyone everyone else was in Spain except
the ones in They all like grabbed all their things and fled Chile because they
were like oh, they're gonna go tell the police, and so tho Sunia
sisters did that. Them and their parents went to Chilean authorities, but they
couldn't do anything because these crimes had taken place in Spain and said he had
fled. There was nothing that those Sunia sisters could do. But luckily they
got away, like at least, yeah, at some point, this is
all like convoluted. At some point, Karina had her baby already and they
were all making rounds to visit families to calm them down. After Alina's charges
that didn't happen like fell through. So Gloria and Karina Yapo were in Chihuahua
and Marii was from Chile, was sent back to Spain. And so by
now Karina's baby had been born, right, this was all a secret from
the family. They didn't her family, they didn't know, and so her
baby boy was left in Spain with the other girls while Gloria and Karina were
in Chihuahua. Said here on them or in Chile, right, and like
you keeps saying this just to like put a space where everyone's at because it's
there's just so much yea, yeah, yeah, yeah. So then Mari
goes back to Spain, and now there's different accounts of what happened next.
The first version I learned is the following that Mari Bokitas went back to Spain.
Karina Yapor's baby became sick. She took him to the hospital and he
was admitted, and when she tried to go back to pick him up,
the hospital wouldn't give him back to her because she was not the biological parent.
Right, Katina was in Mexico with Gloria. They were doing that,
and then Gloria and Karina left to wherever else they were, right because there's
so much traveling taking place. So point is that Karina's not in Spain.
And so then the hospital contacts Karina's parents that they have their grandchild, which
they didn't even know existed. However, Marie Bokitas has a for an account
of what happened on her podcast in Boca Sa So and I'm gonna share that
account. It's a little yeah, and it's a little bit different. There's
parts that are the same. So she says that while she was sent back
to Spain, she was met with a horrifying site. Gettina's baby was laying
on the blanket on the floor because said he didn't allow them to use mattresses
and Gettina's baby was very fatigued. He looked very sick. Said he had
called her and instructed her to get rid of the baby, leave him something
didn't matter. How leave the baby with a neighbor if she needed to,
and then head to Argentina where him and Glodia were at and I maybe Karina
was also with them at that point. So Maddie tried to leave the baby
with the neighbor and the neighbor was like, you're trying to leave a baby
that's not yours. I'm calling social services. Maddy left before the neighbor could
call social services. She was like, I'll take the baby myself to social
services. So she took the baby, but she went back home and the
baby was looking worse. And then Karina tried to go to Spain. They
were set to pick her up from the airport. And when they were at
the airport and they were supposed to meet Garina, she comes with the security
guard or police officer with her. It turns out she can't go into Spain
because she overstayed with her tourist visa and so Maddie and the other girls that
were there, they were begging the security to let Katina hold her baby,
which she did get to hold the baby like one last time to say goodbye,
but the whole time Karina was like, said he was gonna kill us.
He's gonna be so mad, He's gonna be so mad. And then
Karina gets taken out of the country again and the girls go back to the
house in Spain with the baby. The baby's still looking sick, and so
Marii calls said he Andrade and tells him like, hey, the baby's looking
very sick. I want to take him to the hospital. Please, and
everything any sentence she ever said to him, she had to say please and
thank you before anything she said. So she's like, please, can I
take him to the hospital? Thank you? Like my God. And so
she takes the baby to the hospital and the baby is underweight, he is
fatigu he smel noourished, and so she begs them to admit the baby and
they do, and then she says, like, I have to leave the
country. His mom's going to be back to pick him up soon, and
then they all leave. Then that's her version of it. That's how she
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for doing that. I don't believe that you know how to say, like
the simplest answer is probably the right answer. Like, that's a lot of
excuses for how she gets the baby to the hospital, on a lot of
like moving parts for how she gets the baby to the hospital. So I
think this is likely a saving face because any person would be horrified to hear
that because you didn't know how to take care of an infant or how to
take care of a baby, and you allowed or you were like so under
this coercive control that you didn't feel the authority of self to like say,
whatever's going on with me has to go away, and this baby's needs supersede,
you know what's happening. But when you have like course of control,
you can't do that. So I think it's probably easier for her to compartmentalize
and say like no, no, no, all these other things happened,
and then you know, I was trying to do all these things. It
kind of trying to push away the fault that lies with her as an adult,
you know, and who's who was, unfortunately the main person who was
in charge of caring for this child. Like she was literally sitting back to
take care of the baby that Karina decided to leave behind. Again not in
a willing mindset because of her being in the same abusive cycle. But you
know she I mean, like, I think if she were more honest about
it, because I don't believe that entire thing. I think there are some
truths to it, but yeah, I think that it is really like,
it's really expansive in terms of all of these things that happened. Yeah,
And it makes her look bad if she just goes like, yeah, I
didn't take care of the baby, and then I took him to the hospital
and they decided to keep him because I couldn't prove I was a guardian or
this child's mother. Yeah, And I think the truth lies somewhere in the
middle. And I do think one they were all malnourished themselves. Of course,
the baby's going to be malnourished, and at the end of the day,
him being at the hospital was the safest place for that baby, the
best thing, Yeah, because he was going to die if he kept on
staying with them anyway, said, and they probably did tell her to leave
the baby and get rid of it. Oh yeah, that part believe,
like he was probably like you could throw it out in the ditch. I
don't care, like figure out what to do with this thing. I'm surprised
he didn't murder somebody, honestly, Like he had no no care, no
care for like life, regard for anyone's exactly at all. So I wouldn't
be surprised if like something comes out that he's basically like murdered somebody in the
past, because it's so close to it, Like he just is so like
this piece highlights the we don't use like psychopathy anymore, but truly like the
the evilness and like fucking fucked up ass bitch ass like exactly. Yeah,
oh yeah, it's insane. So I get it, Like I just don't
necessarily believe the entire I don't believe the accuracy of the story, like because
in her podcast and VOCA she says like, oh, I was saving that
baby's life. I don't think in the mindset that she was in that she
was thinking about the baby. I think she was only thinking about his orders
leave his baby somewhere, and that somewhere happened to be the hospital. Yes,
and she did save his life, I mean truly, like that's the
highlight of it, you know, So there we are, that's the good
and all of it. And also because her leaving the baby there, and
then they all left Spain after that, and then when they got to Argentina
after that, Matty told, you know, said here what happened, that
she had to leave the baby, but that the mom of the baby was
gonna like contact them, and so said you had Marii and Karina called the
hospital together. The hospital asked for a documentation to prove that Karina was who
she said she was, because when Marie left the baby there, she said,
this is the mother's name, this is the information, like we will
call you again, and so gettin a call. They asked for a documentation
and they ended up sending facts seen over a copy of her passport. I
want to say it was. And so with that fact, it set forth
the downfall of Setio Andrade. Really yeah, okay, okay, very very
Uh what's his name BTK? When he was in the library, yes,
yes, like nineteen ninety eight, two to gain some perspective on it,
where he's like, you can't tell that's the thing. Oh my god,
don't get me started on BTK, because I have a whole thing about this.
I'm like, you freaking idiot, Like I'm glad he was caught one
hundred percent, but like, how dumb do you have to be? I
literally asked the police to be like can you trace this? Oh yeah,
just because I don't and don't lie to me. Guys like that's literally what
he said, and they're like, uh, Kate, no, we can't
trace it. We would never lie to you. And then he's like,
all right, I believe you, and then sends it in and you're like,
okay, cool, thanks for your age, sex and location because we
basically have found you. Oh my god. Yeah so basiculous. Yeah,
so yeah, it's basically like that too. They're like, oh, okay,
so you just confirmed that a fourteen year old child was impregnated and is
the mother, Like, you freaking idiot exactly, And so with this information,
the hospital went to the Mexican embassy in Spain. I love it.
I love all of this. I mean just this how he was caught,
not obviously not all I know what you mean. You're praying for his downfall.
Literally, yes, So with this, they contacted Karina Yeppo's parents in
Mexico told them that they had a grandson in the hospital and they were like
what because they didn't know this baby existed. I had no idea that their
teenage daughter had been pregnant. And although the birth certificate just said unknown for
the father, who else could have been the father this baby? Right?
Oh? That was I was going to ask if he was born in the
hospital and how that didn't trigger anything like about a fourteen year old being pregnant
and no further investigation. But well, I mean, we're in the early
nineties in Spain. I don't know how much they would have cared to look
into a teenage pregnancy by Mexican nationals. Yeah, and I doubt he was
present at the birth too. I'm sure it was like girls taker or she
had a home birth. You know. I don't think she had a home
birth because there was a birth certificate. Although you could have a home birth
and then take the baby's snake to keep it private, like, yeah,
but there was a birth certificate and he it was listed unknown and then no
father listed yeah, no father listed, but the parents knew who she was
with this whole time, right, yeah, yeah, yeah. So then
they went to the authorities. This kicked off the international manhunt for them because
they told the Chihuahua authorities everything. They told them. Their daughter was a
teen, she was taken by this man. And they also named Gloria Trevi
and Marie Bokita's Raquel. Oh my god, what's her middle name? I
was just I've been this is twenty hours of this isn't it. I thought
her middle name was that Raquel thing, like, all, okay, sorry
Maria, yes, yes, something like that. Yes, yes, so
she names her as well. They name all three of them, as it
accompasses in this I think. Okay. So there's obviously the book if you
don't know Girl Trouble, like read it. It covers this whole saga.
But one of the things I thought kinda was interesting about this whole piece right
here, right, because you're like, oh, great grandparents are notified,
you would expect that they take action immediately, right to be like they took
six months? Yeah? I was like yeah, for what why? And
like there's no clarity really behind it, Like you don't really know, as
far as I know from the stuff that I had in my memory bank.
Obviously yes, the movie No, but like I was so floored by that.
I remember that piece like I literally highlighted it and was like, how
like this is the a year child who's fourteen fifteen years old, you know,
who they haven't seen in a long time. And then you get this
call and you're like probably horrified. I'm sure to be like what the hell,
like my kid has a kid, and then you go, I'm gonna
sit on that for six months. Yeah, and like only they can know
why. Maybe it's like consulting attorneys. I don't know, it could be.
It could be. I know there was back and forth between the embassies
to then have the baby taken to them. Maybe they wanted the baby first
before pursuing legal action charges. That's smart. That can be my only guess,
because like nothing else makes sense to me. Yeah, Maddie, she
maintains that, you know, she was saving the baby's life by leaving them
there, which in the end it did save us life to this day,
Karina. At least interviews I saw in the early two thousands, before twenty
ten, but after like two thousand and five or something like that is what
I saw. She still blames Maddie for her baby being sick and for abadining
her baby. She blames her. Yes, yeah, at least she did
back then. I don't know what her I don't know how she feels about
it now, but yeah, which is insane to me because a, you
left your baby there to begin with. Yeah, I feel like it's misplaced
for sure. I'm like the decision in the request was made by Sergio,
not anybody, when the end is the one who blame for all of this.
Yeah, so that it seems a little misplaced. I get being pissed
off like that, you know, your kid, Yeah, gets admitted to
the hospital because of you know, not being cared for. I get that,
but like I don't get the whole you forced me to abandon my child
how. Yeah. And that's the thing about another thing about this case,
that's so it just happens so much. There's so many of the survivors blaming
each other. But I think with the way that he ran his cult,
the way he coerced all of them, abuse all of them, and essentially
trained them to do this, and so I think part of it was still
ingrained in them, like to second nature. Yeah, to blame each other
first. I don't know how much unlearning or unpacking they all did later on,
I know in her own podcast, Marii Bokitas is like, I understand
now, I get it now that this is what was happening. He is
the one to blame for everything. She's like, she says, like,
oh, I only hope everyone is like okay now and like that they can
forgive her. And she's like she forgives all of them, and like,
you know, and I don't know how much growing they each did, but
that was the big When all this was in the news, you saw a
lot of the survivors speaking out against each other, all of them like it
was. And again it probably also gave them a little bit of money that
they needed because they had nothing because that he took everything. Yeah, so
there was a lot, a lot of things going on a lot, Okay.
So they were in at Centina when all this was happening in nineteen ninety
eight. Oh yeah, at some point either in Argentina or Brazil. Honestly,
you don't know when it happens. Sonia, he marries Sonya Rios,
that's the last name. Yeah, yeah, but I don't know if that
happened in Argentina, Spain or in Brazil. I want to say it was
Argentina because they get to Brazil in nineteen ninety eight. Yeah, that feels
right, because what's your Argentina and herself. Let's just pretend right now that
that's the case. I think so, though I'm pretty sure to call the
fact checkers, just give us some time. I believe both of you.
Don't quote us on that, but I I believe while they were in Afgentina
married Sonya. There was no obviously no ceremony, but it happened, and
so then they can't be in one place for too long, said, he
announces that they're gonna head to Brazil. At some point, Sonia herself had
a baby, a girl in Argentina. During that time in Brazil, three
more babies would be born. Yeah, because he's an idiot and like a
narcissistic weirdo. Yeah, well, he's partly like where did you say you're
an Udia in Brazil? Right when they go to Brazil or in Argentina that
the babies are born. One baby is born in Argentina and then the other
three are in Brazil. Yeah, because he's like, they don't have an
extradition policy if your kids are born here, and they're like, actually that
lung doesn't exist anymore. That's what he believed. He cannot be extradited.
Yeah, he got them pregnant on purpose, like it was purely to make
sure, like they couldn't get extradited. Like Gloria got pregnant, right,
Yes, Gloria was the last one, I want to say. But then
Guarina's baby was in Spain, and then let's see when I just saw,
Yeah, Sonya had her baby in Argentina. So then there was Garina de
la Cuesta No no, sorry Godla Gardila had a boy, and then Gloria
had a girl, and then Gordida's baby was born in nineteen ninety nine.
So yeah, those are the other three babies. And like said, he
and they had this depraved dream that he was gonna buy an island somewhere and
they were all gonna be there have his babies, and then his babies,
he would impregnate the girls and they would have more babies. Oh yeah,
disgusting, like truly disgusting. So yes, now nineteen ninety eight, they're
in Brazil. There's three babies born here in Brazil. They were going from
town to town, never standing in one place for too long. The abuse
room said he were ramped up, but in new ways. He did things
like mix all the food in the fridge with eggshells and make them eat it,
make them eat their own vomit. Oh my god. He would tell
them repeatedly he was gonna kill himself if they left, so they couldn't escape.
I wish he would have right, I wish he would have done as
a favor. At one point, he because he was always looking for a
new property to then move everyone too, because you know, they couldn't stay
in one place for too long. So during one of these like searches for
properties, he sends Madi Bokitas to one of the most dangerous neighborhoods because they
call them favelas. So she was sent to one of the most dangerous favelas
to look for this property. And when she returns, he told her it
was too bad that she returned alive because he thought she was going to be
killed. My god, wow, when she was looking for property. And
this is just to mess with them more psychologically, Yeah, to make them
more scared to show them that he has knee ways to hurt them. Right,
So on top of now the new babies, the four now ur you
know, yes, sorry, there's just so many babies. So Mari Lene
and Wendy were pregnant too, So that's six pregnant. You had eight kids
altogether, yes, uh huh right, yeah, I believe so. So
one baby was already given away from way before a boy because he didn't want
any boys evers, and that was baby was given to his brother. And
then now all these other babies, right, So the girls that had their
babies there, you know, living and they were in the same place with
him. They testified that he physically beat the children, Maddy and Gladia Denyll
this to this day. So the truth is probably with the other girls,
right, he probably did abuse them because a person like that wants control and
you can't control the baby. Babies cry when they want. Yeah, Madi
Bokita's they're saying like, oh I Didsey said he'll playing too rough with them,
and that could have been seen in abuse. I don't believe that.
I do believe he physically oh yes, these children, like there's no doubt
in my second I can't believe that they would exempt the children from that exactly,
yes, especially to hurt the mother. Uh huh, Like I just
can't imagine that he would be like, oh no, my poor babies,
Yeah right right right, like you think he'd be a carrying father please?
And I laughed because it's terrible. Yeah. Yeah. During their time in
Brazil, one of the the La Cuesta sisters, Carola, she jumped from
the balcony one day to escape these horrors. And it was actually after an
argument with Gloria about what who knows? Right, only they know, but
she loves her baby Milton behind, and she ran. She jumped and ran
and then said andrad to like make sure this was possible. According to him,
he made Maddie recreate the jump and she did, like, so she
jumped off the alcony. Yeah, and again more like just just more abuse.
Yeah. He sent the girls to find Cala returned after three days,
and like, of course she did, because one it takes up multiple attempts
to leave an abuse her. They're in a foreign country, this is all
she's known for years now, and her baby's there, So don't I don't
blame her for one second for returning but she had to beg him to be
allowed back inside the house again, just more more of his depraved game,
more control. A few weeks after that, mad Lene also tried to escape,
but then she returned the same night he triatened to kill himself again,
which again I wish he would have right, And the moving ramped up after
that, from from house to house. It was during all this that Gloria
had her baby Anna that lie and unfortunately Gloria's baby only lived thirty days and
it's still a mystery what happened, So there's different versions of this. Well.
Gloria's version of the death is that it was una morte de cuna or
SIDS and which is the thing. The baby was young, it can happen.
On November thirteenth, nineteen ninety nine, they found her baby like not
alive anymore in the room, and then Gloria was like being held back.
She was going crazy, obviously right, her baby was dead. And this
is from an interview she gave years later. Groodia says that one of the
girls gave her baby CPR and it seemed like the baby was responsive, so
then Glodia grabbed the baby and she tried to leave the house and that Karina
Yapor blocked her exit, demanding to know where she was going. Gloria told
her to the hospital, and she was trying to push her out of the
way, and Karina yelled at her, like your baby's dead. And then
Gloria like came to and like felt her baby was cold and rigid, and
then she doesn't remember anything for the following weeks that there would be days she
thought she was nursing, thinking it was her baby, but it was one
of the other babies because she needed to get rid of her milk, because
you know, that's so sad. In her state of mind, she was
just told that her baby was buried, and then she didn't ask any other
questions. And in reality, someone has thrown the baby into the river.
Oh my god, terrible under orders from Setium. And it's appalling to me
to even think that this happened to her baby. And she still later interviews
for years, she victim blamed everyone I know for a very long time and
would say things like the girls were there because they enjoyed it. Really vulgar,
vulgar, But what about her saying, right, why was she there
exactly? Like did she say, she can't say she was a victim if
she's saying they liked it so much. Yeah, deflection. Yeah, and
I'll get into it later. But I saw what she said about it in
twenty eighteen, but I didn't see Oh I think I saw it. Yeah,
he probably did. But it's just weird that that to me. But
obviously the whatever they went through, like deeply deeply affected them. Yeah,
Maddie, her version is different. They were all watching the movie in the
living room, something they did regularly. The babies were all sleeping in one
of the rooms on a mattress, and she saw Glorida kept asking for permission
from said he to ask him a question, and he kept ignoring her.
Finally, he tells her Gloria, that she can go check on another lie
in a second, but you know, Glorida keeps interrupting him, and as
punishment for Gloria's interrupting, he tells Katya, my bad, another one of
the girls, to go get another lie. Katya goes into the room and
then she comes back holding another lie in a blanket. Katya's face is pale,
and she's incoherent. She's saying things that don't make sense. He's like,
what what you look like? You've seen a dead person? And then
that's when they all saw that another lie in Katya's arms was no longer alive.
Gloria starts freaking out naturally, and then two girls, Maddy herself and
then Liliana, one of the other girls, take another lie from Katya.
They tried to revive another lie doing CPR. They're like, oh my god,
she breathing. They're probably just wishful thinking. One of the girls says,
let's take her to the hospital said. He says, no, there's
something to do. She's dead. He kicks everyone out of the room.
Gloria stays there. He comes out and he's like, what should we do?
Like, what are we going to do? This is going to ruin
me? Blah blah blah. Marii Bokita's request to pray for the baby,
he's like, first blows her off and tells her she's stupid from wanting to
pray in the situation, but then allows her to do like a small funeral
for the baby there. So they go get candles, come back. They
pray with Mary leading the prayer because she was very religious throughout all this,
and there were moments where said it would be like, you're fucking stupid for
believing in God. And so this was during one of those moments she led
this prayer. Gloria was crying loudly. He tells her that the neighbors are
going to hear them, so she needs to stop crying. They end the
funeral because of Gloria's crying. Her baby just died, Like what do you
mean? That's how the funeral ended. Gloriac kept begging for them to have
a proper burial place for her baby and said her taught her that he's gonna
take care of it. And then he talks to two of the girls.
Mattie never says who it is that he talked to who he told. Supposedly
he came out and told them, I've instructed them to go properly bury the
baby, but really he instructed them to go throw the baby in the river.
But they never say who it was who did it. But that's what
happens with another lie. According to Mattie, many times when the babies were
crying uncontrollably, said He'll order them to muffle the cries with blankets over the
baby's face. Oh my god. Many times they would put blankets over babies
like that when it was like their nap times, and with another Lai being
so young and malnourished, because they were all malnourished, that's probably how she
died. Yeah, that makes sense. Obviously she's not going to increaniminate herself
in her own podcast, but to me, it just sounds like that is
very likely how it happened, just based on like what said he hold it
in that moment ordering the girls, Like, yeah, all of that sounds
very real. And yeah, in the end, her baby West West thrown
in the river, which is terrible, Yeah, terrible. This is just
no, Like she doesn't get any any opportunity for like closure in that,
you know, to make some type of peace with it. Like he's still
as like he's like with therapy, yes, right, Like she could reasonably
find a way to like move forward and find a path where she's healed in
some way from the trauma entirely, but she's able to cope and manage it,
right, play, how do you do that when you don't have any
resolution to your child and you're still like yeah, and to this day,
there's no recovery of the baby. There was no burial for the baby.
There's nowhere she can go on more in this baby physically, right, mm
hmm. Such a shame. So yeah, there's a lot of rumors,
a lot of speculations about another lie's death. Gloria herself blames Karina Yapo.
Some of the other girls blame Katya, who was the one who was sent
in to get her. That like said he was yelling for the baby to
stop crying, and that like desperately trying to muffle the baby's cry, she
accidentally suffocated her. There's different versions. In the end. In her own
podcast, Mattei insists like there's not one person to blame for another li's murder,
Like it wasn't anyone's fault, it wasn't Katia's fault, it wasn't my
fault, it wasn't Gloria's fault. Only one person is to blame, and
that person is said Kio said he which yeah, I do. I do
agree with that. She goes on to say, like she wasn't to blame,
not Kathia Gloria, but the lifestyle they followed under the abuse of said
Hio, Really is what's that blame here? I mean, for years Gloria
and Marie herself defended, said Hio. Even after his conviction. Uh,
yeah, after they were released. He stayed in jail the they were released,
and he stayed in Joel a while before even his trial began and he
was sentenced, And yeah, even then, there's interviews of them saying things
like defending him. Wow, I mean, it takes a long time to
like deprogram. Basically, I almost think that this for Marii herself, this
was probably one of the first times she's like saying all of this in a
different light than she used to. There's also so many infuriating interviews of Setio
himself saying like, oh, these girls like I love them and they broke
my heart and blah blah blah. Of course, yeah, it's disgusting yuck.
So during all this, said jo since Karina yapor back to Mexico,
his intention was to send her to calm the media. She was sent back
with Marlene. They were supposed to go back to everyone that they weren't being
forced to stay with him. They were there of their own volition. Again,
Karina is fifteen fourteen, like they were supposed to. Also say that
baby is not set heos that she and Marilena were living together in Brazil and
that the baby's father was some random Spanish guy. So they landed in Chihuahua
on December sixteenth, nineteen ninety nine, and it was a media circus.
They were not going to be able to culminate in themselves, there was no
way because of all the publicity surrounding their case. Marlene was arrested right away
at the moment they landed in Mexico, and then this is when Interpol put
out orders for Sehio, Marie, and Gloria to be arrested wherever they were
found. Karina was put under legal and medical supervision and she was to stay
with her parents. They were supposed to now watch her and like she was
not like arrested, but she was not also not Yeah, it's like house
arrested. Yeah, her safety. In the beginning, she did try to
defend Sadhyo and still like, you know, say the thing she was supposed
to say. But as time passed, she began to then say what really
happened in all the abuse, Probably just you know, more time away from
the abuser and then more time with her family kind of let her finally talk.
Yeah, and then on January thirteenth, two thousand, in Brazil,
we're back in Brazil. There was a knock in the apartment they were staying
at and it was the police and they were looking for Maria Raquel Portio.
She's the one who asked the door. They're like, what's your name?
She didn't want to say, but then she told them. They were like,
all right, this is the one, this is the one we're looking
for. And then Godlac quickly said I'm gonna go with her, because again
they were so programmed to just go everywhere together. So she went with her,
and then Matie asked like, am I under arrest? Am I being
arrested? And then like all Carla could say is said he was going to
kill us. He's going to be so mad, because again that was their
number one worry. Yeah, doesn't exactly do a lot for him in terms
of not being in control when the person you know is saying, this person's
going to kill us in front of police. So yeah, how can he
try and pretend he's not the one in charge of all of them and abusing
them objection? Yeah, but they're literally afraid of their lives right now,
and you're telling us they're here on their own free will and their own vulish
seriously, and so while she was in the car Mari raquanel Portillo, she
overheard them say we're in route with her, and they said her name,
like we're in route with this person. And then they had said said Juan
and Gloria were already in custody, and she's like, what what is happening.
So then they all arrived. They were in the same police station now,
and so the police told them there was an order for the arrest from
Chihuahua dating back to nineteen ninety nine. They were arrested, and then there
was also another request for Marilene herself, but who was already arrested in Mexico.
So then they had their phone calls and even there said he didn't allow
Madi to use her phone call. He used her phone call instead. Wow,
just fucking insane, of course he did. Gloria told her to smile
for her mugshot, to look dignified, and she gave Maddi some lipstick.
So if you've seen their mugshots, they are all smiling. Yeah, disturbing
to say the least. Gloria and Maddie were put in jail in Rio de
Cando. They were there for one month, and then on February ninth,
two thousand, they were moved to a mostly male prison with only few women
prisoners. Why do they have those I don't know. I don't know.
They're like overcrowning. I have no idea. It sounds very even stranger is
that they were then placed next to set hotel and like, why would you
put them together? Yeah? Hell, I don't know. Literally cannot be
protected in any capacity. Did he like bribe someone for this to make this
happen? I will say that apparently he was like loved in prison of course
charming. Well, I mean like that's literally how he got where he did,
you know, by being charming and stuff. He rizzed on them,
as I learned, the kids say they do say that people have riz.
Yeah, oh my god, I've never heard that. Really, Karmen,
do you need to get on TikTok? I was disgusted the second I heard
it. I was like, I don't want to be it doesn't sound good.
Yeah, I don't want your ris anywhere near me? You know what?
It sounds so much like JITs. That's why exactly exactly. It means
charisma. That's where it came from. Charisma disgusting. Yeah, my husband
literally told me that, and I was like, don't ever say that to
me again. Yeah, I went. I went through this same exact conversation
with my husband like three months ago or longer. Now, you don't know
what is me? Wow? If I didn't know about it, my husband
isn't about it. I'm going to ask him now. Yeah, tell him
just be like did you like that? Riz? Did I? Riz?
You? And see what he says, and then let us know what he
says. Come back on, let us know that. Where is it?
He's looking around? So, yeah, they were reunited again in this new
jail. While in prison, I'm not going to go into too much he
saw about person again. We'd be here ten hours they were there, That's
what we know. They were there, got sick with gian Beret syndrome.
He looked terrible, but sadly he did not do us the favor of dying.
He did not die. No, No, sadly he lived through his
gian Berat syndrome. Wish he would have died. More things happened in prison,
really the most important thing that didn't happen in prison is at Gloria was
pregnant, and she said she was frayed by prison guards. Again, yeah,
but said he was next to her. Uh huh, yeah, yeah,
next to herself. I don't believe, no, no, I don't
believe the prison guard thing at all, and in fact, neither did the
prison guards. Every single prison guard in that jail gave their DNA to prove
that. Oh my god, now, oh wow, I'm sorry you were
not the father, Mari Povich. It was rumored to be said he was
baby. To this day, this has never been confirmed, but like,
come on, oh my god, Joe, I mean, it was hard
for everyone. Apparently Gloria and jail tried to kill herself several times. She
wasn't allowed to have anything sharp in her cell. After a couple of years,
and I think said he stayed in Brazil another year. I could be
wrong, though, just because again it all gets very convoluted. There's a
bunch of places, things that say different things in different places. But my
understanding, after a couple of years, Gloria and Maddy were extradited to Mexico,
and the following year said Hill was extradited to Mexico. Their case couldn't
go more forward in Mexico until said Hill was extradited, so they were in
jail a little bit longer in Mexico. I think so. Once all of
them were in Mexico, Gloria, Marie, and Marlene were exonerated of all
charges. Later, when his case went through trial, said he'll received the
sentence of seven years and ten months, which is not long enough. Pretty
got time served. I didn't, I don't. I don't think so.
I think he served the full seven years. No, no, oh no,
I read that he they counted the time he had already served and he
was only in jail like one more year after being sentenced. Oh Jesus,
that's fucking terrible. Oh oh my god, I hate this. Yeah,
there's no justice really, no, not at all. And then he was
to pay a compensation to Karna Yappo and our parents. So yeah, like
you said, Carminy, I guess he didn't serve a long sentence at all.
In fact, he's been out for a very long time. He only
served very little time. He is, according to what I found in somewhere
in Mexico teaching children music. No, shut up, who's letting him around
their children and people who think he's gonna make them. It seems just like
cycle of stuff like, oh, this is our Kelly all over again.
It's worse. It's worse because at least our Kelly's behind bars exactly, that's
true. Yeah, it's terrible. And then as far as Gloria, Gloria
herself, you know, she's big as she's ever been. Yeah. In
twenty and eighteen, she hosted the Latin American Music Awards, and she gave
a speech, and I think for the first time she addressed all of this
in a new way than she had been for years, because, like I
said, for years she continued to blame the victims. But this is like
just snippets of her speech. Those who don't know me and thus don't like
me, have probably heard millions of stories about me, among them that I
was in jail. Yes, it took the Mexican justice sstem four years,
eight months, and eight days to realize I was innocent. I was a
smoke screen for the deaths in the city of Quatus. By condemning one woman,
you can conceal the crimes of others. There are still people who discriminate
against me because they are ignorant. This has to end. I'm not saying
this for me. I am fine, this has to end for them.
So there is not a single woman in the world who, after facing her
abuser, has to walk down the street being signaled by some idiot who accuses
her of being a partner of her worst nightmare tonight. I expose my life
for them because I am them. He was not my creator, and he
did not discover me. Because with or without him, I have proven I
am Gloria Trevi And I don't know about the Uh why does she bring up
the women? Yeah? I was like, I she's saying basically she was
used to distract from the problem in Whattace. Yeah, And I'm like,
I don't think so. I don't like that. Yeah, I don't.
I don't like that. She said. Uh, it's deflection at its finest,
is what I'll tell you. Like, I don't think she's truly accepted
the accountability she she should be having in the situation to say like, yeah,
she can do it without being solely to blame. I think it's because
she hasn't done that piece yet that people are so so quick to say,
like this was year two like masterminds behind this, creating this like cult of
young women together. Yeah, and like she could just distance herself and just
say like I was a victim too, Like I this started with me,
you know, and I regret my choices that I made or the way I
felt like choices I had to make because of the relationship I was in or
whatever. Like there's a way to do it without being contrite like this.
Yeah. She does say something of that sort later in her speech, but
I just don't. Yeah, the wattest thing throws me off because that's really
like very unnecessary to me. I don't know, and it kind of trivializes
their deaths. It's kind of like I was so important to cover up this
whole, like this incredible tragedy like it it kind of does not. Yeah,
and it doesn't make sense because I don't really feel like I know,
like I was. I mean, obviously we're not in Mexico, so we
didn't get the coverage from Mexico, but we got some coverage about it all
and about uaet It's and I never, for me from Latin American coverage here
in the United States. I never saw like a like they were using Clodia
to take away to distract from. I never saw that, like, I
never got that. Yeah, that was very strange to me. Yeah,
and she in this moment kind of became like a face for me too in
Latin America. During this speech, she does address her relationship with Saidjandrade,
which is something that she has never done. She says that she was at
one time involved romantically, but she was not his partner in crime. When
it came to the abuse of other girls. She was only fifteen and then
he manipulated her, he beat her, and he abused her for seventeen years.
She says she was one of the many who survived his abuse. At
the end of her speech, she is met with a roaring applause. But
like I said, saido Andrade remains free to this day. Don't teaching music
to children where I want to know where I want. I'm just go I'm
a book flight right now. Fail her out of jail. I'm going to
Mexica to fail her. I don't know how bail in Mexico works, so
yeah, I will figure it out for you. Okay, let's hope.
Anyway, Although someone hasn't walked up to this man and just fucking shot him.
I don't know, I don't understand. This is when I would car
the cartel, I'd be like, don't you like, isn't this one of
your things? Somebody like this? Yeah? For us, I don't know
someone for everyone, for the world. I don't want that. For the
children, children and community involved in that way you saw drugs and you know,
to this day, Gloria remains well loved for the most part. Many
though, hate her more than like said he himself, I feel like it's
half and half, like she's either hated or loves like there's no one between.
Yeah, because they hate me. That's her, that's her, that's
her. Like I was listening just because whenever I'm covering something, I want
to listen to like everything that is out there covering this topic. And that
is why in my brain there's like thirty hours of content related to all this
case in them dying. But I did listen. I'm so are we so
we're just melting? Seriously, I listened to the least episode on the case.
At the end of it, one guy is like, I don't know,
Like she's a victim, Yes, she needs to be accountable a little
bit too. But she makes great music. I'm not gonna stop listening to
her, is what he says. They're guests for that episode. Then the
host and I forget his name because I know I never know who's who.
I forget his name too. Yeah, yeah, and I forget his name.
And I listened to them like religiously. But the host he's like,
fuck her. Whoever listens to her music is like, it's just like her
supporting an abuser, not a little much. I don't agree with him.
He's like, whoever listens to her music is might as well be an accomplice
in her fucking crimes. Fuck her? Oh whoa. They have the audacity
I don't like that, the audacity to make her the me too spokesperson in
twenty eighteen. She deserves to write and hell and behind the waters. But
I'm like, where was this energy for Setian Rada because they are like fuck
him. But he at the end of this episode seems more mad about Gloria.
Well, Christina, she's a woman, Yeah, and like, while
I do believe there's some accountability to be had, agreed her and Maddy did
spend time in prison already. Yeah, at the end of the day,
there is one person who needs to be held responsible accountable should be dead.
WHOA see, we see how we talk. You see what I'm saying.
We're just doing the same thing. Now, somebody's gonna listen and be like
I was listening to this. But there's no defending, said he. There
is a little defending Gloria. This person that should be dead is yes,
listen, I don't know Jesus and somebody, please, somebody out there,
just listen. And if you're listening, if you're real, what is that
word that they use? Might him him so that we can say you've been
smoted, you know. And in twenty twenty three, there was a new
lawsuit facing Gloria Trevi. You gotta pay up? Yeah, So it was
actually filed on twelve thirty one, twenty twenty two. Okay, regular wrong
and yeah, a lossuit was filed against Gloria Trevi and serjuandred under a twenty
nineteen California law which opened a three year look back window for claims of child
sexual abuse that would otherwise be barred by the statute limitations. So this lawsuit
was able to be brought against them here in California because the claims of abuse
in the lawsuit occurred in the United States in LA and Texas. I think
I saw it or remember now the lawsuit brings back a lot of the stuff
you already talked about that would arev recruited underage girls to be part of a
sex trafficking ring, and the lawsuit accuses said jo Andrede of raping the woman.
Then girls. They said choreographer and they didn't name anybody, so I
don't know who that is. I almost believe that it's probably Madi. Is
it Maddi. If it's not Maddi, then it's Marilene. It's one of
the two. Okay, Yeah, they didn't name that person, but yeah,
so they named that choreographer and Gloria as his accomplices in the lawsuit.
Apparently the lawsuits isn't actually named Gloria or said Hugh by name, but it's
clear by how they're described in the lawsuit and then the timeframes that they use
in the lawsuits. So the lawsuit says describes Gloria as a famous and popular
pop star and one of the most highly compensated female artists in Latin America,
and said Hugh as one of the most successful music producers in Mexico between nineteen
ninety one and nineteen ninety three. Yeah, like who else would it be
addressing? Yeah? Right, And in the lawsuit, plaintiffs identified only as
Jane Doe one and two alleged that Gloria Trevi approached them when they were thirteen
and fifteen and learned them into joining said Jo's fake music training program school where
we now know really what's happening. Yeah, yeah, the lawsuit has a
lot more details, but again you already talked about that. One part does
describe and go in detail about the tactics that Gloria used to get Jane do
One alone with Setiyo. And so the lawsuit alleges that one day in late
nineteen ninety one or early nineteen ninety two, Gloria then twenty three visited Jane
do One, then sixteen and told her that said Hyo was extremely upset that
Jane do One had become friends with one of the musicians in the band and
wanted to kick her out of the academy slash fake school. So Gloria told
Jane do One, I don't want you to go. You need to go
talk to Sekio do whatever. Is necessary whatever he asks of you, because
I want you to stay, and Saidhio ended up telling Jane do One that
if she wanted to in the group, she had to have sex with him.
My god, disgusting. Yeah, and this is the first time that
said Hugh. Course Janeo went into sex and he was then thirty six.
And then Jane do Too alleges that Glodia invited her to an audition after splanning
her outside of a Mexico City radio station, and then for the first part
of the audition asked her to sing and dance, but then for the second
part told her that she would need to be nude, and Jane Doe too
refused, but she was allowed into the fake school. Then months later,
when she was already in the in the school, she alleges that Gloria told
her she could be said Hell's girlfriend and be the one to make him believe
in love again. Yeah. And then she there's further allegations of how Glodia
groomed her to perform sexual acts with said Hyo and that said Hugh began sexually
assaulting her when she was fourteen years old. Oh, my god. And
then it describes everything that you talked about and what they went through. And
then I saw in a twenty eighteen interview with El Pais and this was the
same magazine. I don't know what it is that I found the information about
the lawsuit, but that Gloria Trevi claimed when she was but she said she
was a victim of said hughes and that she didn't blame the defendants who accused
her. She said, I'm not angry with the girls who said things about
me, because I know that they've suffered. I saw them suffer, and
I knew that they were under great pressure from the media, their family,
and society. And then in January twenty twenty three, after this lawsuit was
filed, Gloria Trevi denied the allegations, saying the following, being a victim
of physical and sexual abuse is one of the worst things that can happen to
a human being. I say it, and I know it because I'm a
survivor, and my thoughts go out to anyone who like me, has been,
has ever been the victim of any kind of abuse. But will not
remain silent while I'm unfairly accused of crimes. I did not commit these false
accusations, which were first made against me twenty five years ago, had been
tried in various courts, and all instances I have been completely and totally acquitted.
She continued. For these old, disproven claims to resurface now is tremendously
painful for me and for all my family. The accusations were false when they
were made and remain false today. And then I tried looking at more stuff,
and the only things I found in late May and early June, well
we know that, and news broke that retained trash back Camio Bascus to represent
her in this lawsuits. And for those that don't know, she represented Johnny
Death. Oh my god, hence the trash And didn't she have another problematic
client too? I think so, but I don't remember. I don't all.
I know she went like on a media circus after witting and it was
just horrible. Yeah. Did you know she made a TikTok dance with Acy
Slater? Did she? Oh? My god, I forgot his name?
Why making fun of Amber heard the TikTok down? Shut your mouth? Oh
wow, I don't like it, my god. Oh Okay, she briefly
had Kanye West. That's a client oh god. Yeah, I was like,
I knew she had one more problematic client. Listen, everyone deserves representation.
Okay, this is the of the United States. Okay, you know
you can't be a trash bag with it. Apparently. However, I do
believe that she has found herself a nice little niche of like Celerity clients.
She's trying to be like the Gloria Allred. Yeah, the other side the
others, depending on which side of depends on which side you believe of the
I'm not even the depth. She also has a basketball player who's accused of
domestic violence and he's suing his wife for defamation, which is literally play by
trend started by Johnny Wow, precedence has been created. It's a trash bag.
She has found her a little niche there. So I don't think it's
a good look that I agree it's that's not that Gloria, but I mean
it's not I don't think Glodia is in the same league. I feel like
she should have found somebody else because she's not on the same level. Although
I almost like have seen comparisons of like she's like Gallenne Maxwell between Gilain.
Yeah, I have a little blurb about that. Oh oh well, what's
your blurb? So yeah, in late May and early June, she retained
what's her name, Camille And then and it was the same team, not
just Camille, but the same team that presented Johnny Depp from Camille's firm.
And so Glodia's legal team sought to dismiss the complaint on various grounds, including
lack of jurisdiction, and then also sought to reveal the names of the Jane
does and what is the purpose of seeking that? To defame them, to
victim blame and shame them. Yeah, so glodia digal team said the following,
This case represents an unjustified attack on a victim of sustained sexual, mental,
and physical abuse. Cloria Trevi was one of the many young women who
suffered years of cruelty and abuse in the eighties and nineties at the head one
of the World's True Monsters. Defendant serj Andrade, a man convicted of rape
and other crimes in his native Mexico. Bizarrely, Miss Trevi is the first
name defendant, with mister Andra this second. It is regrettable that plaintiffs have
chosen to target a woman who suffered the very abuses they allege instead of focusing
on the actual abuser at trial, the truth will indicate Gloria Trevi and so
yeah, people have compared Glordia to Gallad Maxwell, and in her defense,
Camille said, I think that people will be surprised to learn this case could
not be more different than the Gilain Maxwell case. The real defining difference to
me is that Godet Devi was a minor when she met at Juandred. She
was fourteen years old when she started being abused by him. Even though I
believe the plaintiffs and some people will want to paint her using the same brush,
this is a very different case. You're dealing with the young woman who
was abused, kidnapped, sexually assaulted for years as a miner herself and control
by this man, as were the other victims, including the plaintiffs, which
is fair. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I do agree. I
mean, like, yes, she's not a technically a gizz. I don't
know how to say her name, Gilaine. I want to say Gislaine Gilayne.
Yeah, so I don't know. I agree with that for sure,
Yeah, but you know, and then I couldn't find any more information,
Like I couldn't find whether that motion is probably what's it called, it's probably
still in pro like still being well, like I mean part of the civil
lawsuit piece, and like, in terms of how people who have money abuse
the court system is by filing motions non stop so that the plaintiff's funds get
trained and then they have no more money to fight. Yeah, so like
that's I mean, it's not a great tactic, but it is a tactic
that people often employ hoping that the person will go away because they realize,
like, oh, we're nearing like a quarter million dollars and I don't have
that unless somebody's taking it on pro bono. You know. It's just another
way the system's kind of set up to benefit the rich, and that's why
we should be eating them. Yeah, exactly exactly. I do think so
Gladia wasn't held accountable criminally because she's a victim, right, but I do
feel like the civil Yeah, well civil for sure, court is a way
for her to be held accountable because she did cause harm. Yes, she
was victimized, but she caused harm and further, you know, victimization agree,
and the burdom of proof is much smaller. Yeah, right, that
too. Yeah. Yeah, we could literally just be like, yeah,
a psychiatrist said you did this, and they're like, cool, here's a
million dollars, good luck to you. Yeah, Like I personally would have
left to see like even settlement from her to the both Jane does like if
it doesn't go to trial, m it would be the right thing to do.
Yeah, because, like we have all said multiple times, at the
end of the day, even though she was victimized herself for years, she
was also subjected to the same abuse. She is still responsible for her actions.
Yeah, she still brought pain to people. She still brought people to
this man, you know. So yeah, like she's not guilty less and
she's not more guilty than Seidiu and the Dada himself. Yeah. Yeah,
but yeah, any final thoughts before we go. It was a lot and
I think truly, you know, you got to take care of yourself when
you're listening to things like this and stuff and not dwell too much on it,
knowing too that like there are people who are trying to do the right
thing in the sense of you have the civil lawsuit that will hopefully see its
way through the court system in a positive way for the victims who've come forward.
But then you also have like listen, social media culture is really powerful
in a way, Like you know, I think that there's always going to
be something that's going to hold these people accountable even if they can't get justice
in a court system, and you know, we just hope that it continues.
That's what I hope anyway. I think for me, it's just important
to remember that there's a nuance to this and except when it comes to fold
them right there, when it comes to Gloria and the victims, there's just
full blown like nuance there. We can't. Yeah, like it'd be remiss
to be like, oh, she's she's like that guilty, she's the worst.
She's a human trafficker. She killed her baby. What you hear?
And that's what I remember, like about the media coverage from when this was
happening and when we were growing up, like, oh, she killed her
baby, Oh she is a rapist, Like that's what I remember hearing.
I don't remember, honestly, I remember hearing about her being a victim.
I don't remember that not too Like that's shameful because she she was a victim
and she suffered like immensely at the hands of this man. And at the
hands of this man, she further victimized other young girls, right, and
we like, we can't, you know, forget that, we can't put
her in the same level. It's like Weinstein whatever I did say that,
right Weinstein? Oh my god, harve you Weinstein? Yeah? Yeah,
even Gilene Maxwell herself, like, you can't put yeah, yeah, they're
not the same Weinstein. There you gonna say sand Oh yeah, well fuck
him? Is he dead? Here's the alive? Not yet? Not yet?
No, next cross your downfall again? Hell, that's wrong with Reagan
and everyone else? Oh my god? Who Henry Kissinger? Oh my god,
Oh my god. Anyway, yeah, so this brings to the end
of the episode. I hope that everyone not enjoyed, but maybe learned more
about the case and was going around back then. Yeah, yeah, and
anything to plug before we go for each each of you. I'm too tired.
Can you just do it for me? Okay, Well, Carmen wants
to plug. Our other podcast, Estodia is Unknown, where we talk about
platin American history and sometimes it's very depressing, sometimes it's very uplifting, but
it's stuff that you didn't learn about in school that maybe you're like man,
I wish I would have learned that. And then our other podcast is Novelo.
We recap of our childhood and talked about them, and we also have
a fun new segment where we talk about internet chisme and that'll its own podcast
soon but not yet. I love that. Look at you coming from my
crown of forty podcasts. Thanks Christina. I know because we have we have
problems same we have adhds or eighty D and I just wrote Carmen into my
yeah, so it makes sense the tracks. Yeah, yeah, winter break
is coming up for us in terms of a show on It's Haunted What Now,
So we are going to be releasing a few episodes from our friends.
Spooky Tales is part of that, Susto as well, and then a couple
other shows we're going to be doing that. We take our break on the
fifteenth and then from there every week we will be releasing episodes from our friends.
So there's that, yes, And then also I'll link Lady's all of
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Yeah, everything's there, And thank you so much to both of you
for spending almost two hours. Nothing I would rather spend time talking about.
Yeah, this was a lot. I'm surprised I didn't get a peak and
your spooky recommendation two things, huh, I remember I said, I don't.
I should have written it down when I was thinking about it. Did
you forget it? I did? But that's okay. Oh, I was
going to tell you the Exorcist files. You're the one who recommended it,
right or was it MJ? That was me? Yeah? Crazy, that
is good. But all verinful like they I mean, they're shaming you if
you are into the metathetical whatsoever. They're all like, get ready for the
relationship. You just opened up with the devil. Hope you're ready. And
I'm like, oh my god, okay, sorry, I said it a
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is it's highly religious, like truly, I mean it is. Yes,
it's very focused on the religious part of it. And how like Jesus saves
everything is your fault, you know, possessed. Yeah, and you're a
dummy. So so yeah, I was like that that sounds right, that's
it was like my childhood. I love that. Yeah, I like the
I mean it was a great recommendation for show, so I would say,
yes, wonderful, great love it. But also, you know, trauma
bonding us all three Catholics from I don't recovering, Yeah, recovering Catholics.
Yeah, I'm in. I'm in remission from Catholicism. No offense to anybody.
I don't really care what anybody believes in. That's your thing. Do
your thing. Oh man, Yes, but yeah, great, great spooky
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You have an ear No, no, no, yeah, I actually don't
either. I have not been watching anything. I've been watching Christmas movies so
night remember before Christmas is spooky. I watched that on Halloween. You're on
the side of it's a Halloween movie, not a Christmas movie. It's both.
Yeah, I agree. I watch it year round because I love it.
I watch die Hard on Christmas. I've never seen that. I have
never seen that either. Do you hate Bruce Wallis too? Or should I
like? Because if he's canceled, he has dementia like he can't be canceled
anymore. You okay, I like listen. I never have not heard one
about that. Just like leave him. He's probably you know, you can't.
Oh my god, No, he's good. I can't never seen it,
and I'm not I'm not too big on action movies. Oh I say.
I think we're because we're first jen Mexicans and you know, sometimes you
miss yeah movies. Yeah, all the big ones that people are like,
oh my god, you haven't seen that, and that's one of them.
Had ever seen that? Yeah? If I did, it was in Spanish,
right, Oh my god. When water World was on UNIVC on for
like ever and it's like Kevin Gustner and yes, yes, yeah, it
was like that. My brother watched that all the time and I was like,
you literally have it in English. So but okay, enjoy the dubbing.
Yeah, the dubbing is always bad too, same voices. Okay,
well I have kept you bo so no, I'm sorry you're holding me off.
She has to pee. You can't say that on this episode and that
you're right, sorry, no you said it. It's a great that's cut
it, but save it for later. You know it's actually gonna be at
the top, right, Oh yeah, please disclaimer on the child debts.
My god, oh man, yeah, so yeah, thank you both so
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