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What doesn't mean when the plant tag
says partsun, part shade or sun and

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shade. How literally should we take
these recommendations? Let us brighten your day,

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enlighten you on the subject here on
the Gardening Simplified show coming to you

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from Studio A at Proven Winner's Color
Choice Shrubs with Stacy Hervella me Rick Weistanar

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engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson. Well, Stacey, it's quite easy to understand

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full sun for a plant or a
shade recommendation. I think I can handle

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that pretty well. But when they
start talking about parts son and part shade,

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first of all, isn't part son
and part shade the same thing?

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And this is coming from a guy
who can confuse etymology with entomology, which

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really bugs me. So I guess
let's start here. What kind of shade

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are we talking about? Structural shade, filtered shade, seasonal shade, parts

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sun, part shade. Aren't they
the same thing? I mean, I

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know I'm getting caught up in the
weeds here, Stacy, but kind of

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tough for me to figure those out. Well, you and a lot of

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people. I mean, I've definitely
heard from a lot of people that they

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get confused. So let's just get
this right, you know, get this

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out of the way right off the
bat. Parts sun and part shade are

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interchangeable, okay, at least for
us. So if speaking for proven winters

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colored choice shrubs, the way that
we use those on our plant tags is

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interchangeable, and we specifically opt to
use parts sun over part shade because the

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sun in terms of the plant performance, is the more important part, not

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the shade from when it comes to
most shrubs. So we use parts sun

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and what we mean that to what
we intend that to mean is four to

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six hours of sun each day or
filtered light all day. Okay, does

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that make sense? Yes, it
does make sense. You know. My

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approach always has been, Okay,
if this is a sun plant and the

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tag says it's a sun plant,
don't put it in the shade and vice

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versa. But as far as part
shade or part sun is concerned, I

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don't know. I just kind of
I just kind of wing it. So,

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but that description is good as a
matter of fact. In the Gardening

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Simplified Catalog, you're right, it
says full sun six hours of bright sun

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each day. Part shade is foward
to six hours of sun daily or filtered

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light throughout the day. And then
shade is less than four hours of sun

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a day, and I guess that
that's a pretty good way to define it.

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So again, in my mind,
partsun and part shade are the same

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thing for to six hours of sun
per day. And yet what time of

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the day? Right? Yeah,
absolutely, because I think the afternoon sun

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off you, is hotter than the
morning sun. The morning sun is great

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because it dries the dew off the
foliage of roses or plants, helps to

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decrease disease. And then the next
question that comes to mind, Stacey,

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is how do you figure out how
much sun you have? Because most people

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do not have a light meter in
their back pocket, right, And even

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if they did, light meters don't
just say okay, you're reading is full

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sun. They gave you it in
lumens, and no one to my knowledge

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has done the translation work to say, okay, this many lumens over the

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course of the day in a spot
equals this much light. But I do

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think that there is a simple way
that one can test it, and that

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is if you can stand being out
there for certain parts of the day,

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then that is shady and if it's
hot, if you go out on a

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hot summer day and it feels real
hot and sunny, if it's like that

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most of the day, you've probably
got sun. If it's like that part

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of the day, you probably got
parts on. If it's like that,

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none of the day, you got
shade. So what we're saying is that

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this part sun, part shade,
sun shade, filtered shade, whatever is

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somewhat of an inexact science, like
the hardiness zone map. It isn't an

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exact science. And you know,
that's why we often say that gardening is

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art and science, because there is
a little bit of that instinct intuition that

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goes along with it. But you
know, for us, you know,

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being a company that introduces new plants
and writes tags, what we're trying to

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provide is the conditions under which you
will see results similar to the photos on

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the plant tag, because that's what
we really want people to have. I

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mean, if they're buying a plant
we've sold them on the plant tag those

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pretty pictures, they're like, yes, I want this, I want it

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to look like this in my yard. And while that plant might be able

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to survive in more shade, more
sun. Whatever that looks like it won't

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perform, like we have set up
your expectations to perform. And that's what's

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really important to us, is how
can you recreate the conditions for this success

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home. So the plant tag is
there to help the plant thrive, not

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survive, yes, exactly, not
just survive, survive, thank you,

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important word to interject, not just
survive exactly. You know, I think

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I was thinking about this subject,
and I was thinking that if I were

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a plant, I think the tag
that they would make for me and staple

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on the lapel of my jacket here
would be sun. Because I love the

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sun. I love summer. And
as a matter of fact, I wrote

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you a little limb a rick about
that because I'm really popping the vitamin D

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right now. I can't wait for
spring. I'm really lacking sunlight. It's

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making me quite uptight. I'll pop
some Vitamin D and drink some hot green

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tea and maybe I'll be more polite. My houseplants are experiencing depression. It's

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causing a slow digression, and so
I have conceded that therapy is needed with

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a sun lamp in her vengean.
So we're a lot like plants. Stacy,

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Well, I have a question for
you. Yeah, So if you're

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talking about the plant tag you're wearing
and it's full sun, what's your hardiness

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own? I gotta be a Zone
nine or I think you're gonna go I'm

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living zero coal tolerance. It's something
else now, of course, that does

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bring up a good point, and
that is the sun tags in the shade

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tags sun or shade or part shade. Uh, it's going to be a

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little different dependent on where you are
in the country also because full sun in

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Georgia is going to be very different
from Toronto, Canada. Absolutely, and

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you know what you started talking about
this earlier. I think it's a really

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really good point for us here in
Michigan, most of the Midwest and certainly

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the North, that time of the
day that you get the sun is less

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important. We don't have. I
mean, we might have a couple of

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very very hot days, but for
the most part, our afternoons are not

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scorching or outside the realm of what
most plants can take. But absolutely,

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when you get into those warmer climates, I would say basically, you know,

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from Virginia south Ish over west to
Oklahoma, that afternoon sun can really

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change the plant's ability to thrive in
that area because it is so hot and

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at that point you've had hours of
accumulated heat, and so how stressed is

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the plant getting And so in those
cases, you know, it does become

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much more important to pay attention to
those shade needs. And that's why plant

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light tolerances are typically listed as a
range, and people often get confused,

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but you know, we can only
have plant one plant tag for each plant.

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If we had them for every region, it would, trust me,

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it would be a mess. As
nice as it would be, it would

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not work out as well as it
might seem. And so we put that

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range so that people can, you
know, make the right decisions. And

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I say this often, but it's
why shopping at a local garden center is

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so important, especially if you aren't
familiar with what you're doing or looking at

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new plants. The local expertise in
what that plant will tolerate, how it

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will actually thrive and not just survive, is crucial because they're the real experts.

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And I think Stacy's going to take
us down this road and plants on

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trial because two plants that I think
of as we talk about this topic,

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one is hydranges because I personally believe
hydranges need a lot of sun to bloom

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well. And yet some people stacy
consider them to be a shade plant.

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Yes, I'd say they are widely
considered to be a shade plant, and

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generally I would say that is a
not an appropriate assumption exactly. So we'll

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get into that and then for me
personally, as a matter of fact,

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I was just chatting with Kevin Hurd
from Proven Winners about this. I remember

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Colius when I got when I first
got into the industry over forty years ago,

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Colius was strictly a shade plant and
it would be blooming its head off

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by July. Now, via genetics
and plant breeding, the Colius really doesn't

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put its energy into blooms and we
can have it right out there in the

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hot sun. The label or the
tag on Colius has changed through the years.

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Yeahs has changed, and people sometimes
do need to reconsider all of their

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assumptions about that because of plant breeding. Yes, so take it with a

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grain of salt. Apply the same
principle we did with the heartiness zone map,

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and that is we're talking about ranges. We're talking about in the ballpark,

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but at the end of the day. Regardless of what the tag says,

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the proof is in the pudding and
the plant will quickly show you whether

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or not it's happy in the light
environments. It will and read the tag

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and read the labels. Plants on
trial Coming up next, Stacy will introduce

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us to a plant and will continue
our talk on this sunshade part shade filtered

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shade stuff right after this. Stay
tuned Proven Winter's Color Choice Shrubs cares about

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your success in the garden. That's
why we trial and test all of our

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shrubs for eight to ten years,
making sure they outperform everything else on the

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market. Look for them and the
distinctive white container at your local garden center.

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Creeting's Gardening friends, and welcome back
to the Gardening Simplified Show. We're

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going to put a plan on trial. But as is often the case,

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I have a few last words for
our previous topic. Great so do I

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good perfect great minds. You know, we gave people a lot of good

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information about light, but we didn't
really talk about what to look for.

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If a plant is not in light
that you know that would make it happy.

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So if a plant is in too
much shade, you're going to see

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a lack of flowers. You're going
to see dull colored leaves, and the

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plant is going to be more sparse
and open and not unless dense and rounded.

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Those are typical signs that the plant
is in too much shade. But

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flowering, I would say, is
probably one of the biggest, and fruiting

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if it's a fruiting plant, know, if it's in too much sun,

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what you're going to see is basically
an inability to keep it watered no matter

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what you do. Now, don't
get that confused with overwatering, because an

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overwatered plant and an underwatered plant both
wilt but hard to keep it watered.

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Browning around the leaf edges and the
leaf tips, and the plant just kind

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of looking sort of beige and sad. You know, it's hard to explain

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unless you've seen it, but they
do take on this kind of like bleached

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sad look, a bleached look and
burnt along the margins of the foliage.

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Yes, you're gonna see that.
I wanted to mention. If you go

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to proven winters dot com and you're
looking for a plant, let's say you're

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looking for a hydrange. There's a
icon on the website that says light level

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and you can click on that.
Now here's the choices they give you full

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shade, part shade to shade,
part shade sun, or shade part sun

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to sun sun. Yeah, they
really break it. It's a little over

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complicated, and I think there's a
little bit of a lack of consistency since

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many different people contribute to that website. But there's lots of other places to

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find out any For the most part, anytime you find out a light requirement

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of a plant genus of say Salva
or whatever, you're going to be able

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to extrapolate that to most of the
other members of well and working in the

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garden center. I've got to say
that the tags for proven Winners Color Choice

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shrubs are fabulous. I mean,
when you're out there working with customers,

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anyone, whatever their level of gardening
ability is, but you open up one

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of those tags, you pretty much
find what you need to. Well,

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that's what we try to do.
We want people to be successful, we

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really do. And last word on
this before we move on to today's plan

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on trial. If your plant is
not in the right amount of light,

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you can move it. Yes,
so it's not a forever commitment, unless

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it's a tree, and then you've
got bigger problems literally and metaphorically. But

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you know, for the most part, you can absolutely move that plant.

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Early spring is a great time to
do that. You can even do that

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through spring or in fall, whenever
the plant is dormant. So it's not

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a you know, life sentence if
you have misplanted your plant in terms of

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light conditions, so you know,
obviously all of the plants in the proven

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Winter's Color Choice line need light.
Plants need light to photosynthesize. It is

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a crucial part, although often omitted, part of the photosynthetic equation. You

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can look it up if you are
curious. They don't always put light,

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but the photosynthetic reaction must happen in
the presence of light or it doesn't occur.

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It's incredibly important element. Yes,
so some people will skip that.

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One will write light over the arrow
that shows the conversion. But now I'm

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just being pedantic and I'm trying to
say something really important about a plant here,

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and the plant on trial today is
fairy trail bride hydrangea. Wow,

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beautiful, Now you call that you
said I would probably pick a hydranga because

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they are a plant that is often
very confusing for people in terms of light.

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Now Here in our trial gardens in
West Michigan, we grow the majority

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of our hydrangeas in full sun.
So that is to say, again at

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least six hours of bright sun each
day. Now, that said, our

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hydrangeas are mulched within an inch of
their life. We have a very nice

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thick blanket of mulch over them,
which they love because they have shallow roots

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and they are irrigated, so those
two things can help a plant take more

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sun. But that said, in
a milder climate like this, where our

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summers you know, again, we
might have a few days in the hundreds

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in you know, over a hundred, but they're few and far between.

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For the most part, our summers
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eighty three eighty five degrees. Now, if you live in the south,

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yes, absolutely, your hydrange is
going to need shade in the afternoon because

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for all of their wonderful qualities,
hydrangeas are just not that efficient at using

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water. And when they are in
a very hot climate and they're in a

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lot of sun, they're going to
lose water faster than they can replace it.

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And you're going to have a wilted
hydrangea all the time, which you

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know is fine short term, but
long term we're just kind of like,

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why am I growing this sad looking
thing because it's moping all the time?

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Yes, not a moped, A
moped, my moped. That was a

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good one. I'm writing that one
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that one, Okay, thanks,
But this today's plan on trial. Fairy

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trail Bride hydrangea is uh. It
is a plant that has really kind of

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opened my eyes to the fact that
a plant light needs can be about more

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than just the number of hours of
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Now, before I get into why
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of paint a picture of fairy trail
Bride hydrange for you. It's a newer

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hydrangea. You may have heard of
it. It was originally introduced in Europe

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as Runaway Bride hydrangea and one best
in show at the Chelsea Flower Show in

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twenty eighteen. People went bananas for
it. They kept saying, you guys

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going to have this in the US. Well, it is finally here.

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It's sold under the name Fairy trail
Bride Hydrangea because we felt like Runaway Bride

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was a little bit depressing. Speak
now or forever, hold your peace,

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and you know it's not a runaway
plant. It's actually a very lovely plant.

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It's a different type of hydrangea.
It's related to big leaf hydrangea hydrangel

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Macrophylla oka, but we call it
a cascade hydrangea because it has a very

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different habit. So most hydrangs are
really rounded, fairy trail Bride is very

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horizontal and the branches almost have like
a garland or cascating type effect. So

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it's very, very different, really
beautiful in the landscape. It's perfect if

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you can plant it, like near
a wall or someplace where this unique habit

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is really going to shine. And
to make it even better, the flowers

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are set at every single leaf note
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the plant, so when it's in
flower, it is just a mass of

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blooms. It flowers so much almost
completely obscures the foliage. And this is

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actually one of the few, if
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Huh. Now, a lot of
people get viburnums confused because viburnums are very

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much spring blooming and people think they're
hydranges. Fairy Trail Bride's coming along to

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mess with everybody's expectations by blooming in
late spring, but it is actually truly

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a high range, so late spring, so if you're having a late May

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early June wedding, it may be
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ideal, Okay, at least here
in Michigan. And it does get its

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name Fairy Trail Bride or Runaway Bride
because it has beautiful, pure white flowers.

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They are lace cap flowers, but
there are mophead versions that will be

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on the market in the Fiy Trail
series next season. So exciting, very

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exciting, but you're probably wondering.
Okay, get to the point about the

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light. This show is about light, and I have been enlightened, as

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it were about this plant. So
when we first introduced it, we sold

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it as hardy to USDA's one seven, which is not very hardy. Most

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hydrange of macrophillas and relatives are hardy
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not usda'son four. And a lot
of people were very disheartened by that because

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it's a beautiful plant and they were
super duper excited about it. But the

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reason that we were more conservative about
its heartiness is because it does bloom earlier

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and so it has those flower buds
on the plant in late winter and spring,

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and a lot of times here in
Michigan will get those frosts, you

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know, late April through Mother's Day. Seems like it never fails. We

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have a frost on Mother's Day almost
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plant could survive in terms of actually
living in colder climates, what we were

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afraid of is that it wouldn't bloom
well. And you know, we want

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people to be successful, so we're
trying to give people the information they need

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to actually be successful well. Over
the past couple of years, what we

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have learned, and this is very
interesting, is that the plant is perfectly

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hearty. And yes there is this
issue of the earlier buds, but if

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it if you cite it in part
sun or part shade, however you want

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to think about that. So we're
going four to six hours of sun each

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day in this case, we want
morning shade for this plant. We have

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found is that if you do get
those frosts or freezes in spring, when

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the plant is starting to leaf out
and butt out. That that prevents the

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frost crystals from melting immediately as soon
as the sun hits it, and that

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slower melting than it gets just by
sort of gradually warming due to exposure of

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the warmer air temperature reduces or eliminates
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That's fascinating, you know. I
think about how in the nursery industry sometimes

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when we have those marginal frosty mornings
or nights, will irrigate get a coat

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of ice on the plants and allowed
to nature to take its core. Yeah,

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so this is kind of the same
concept. So we have changed the

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light recommendations on this plant and are
specifically only recommending parts on or part shaped

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however you want to put it.
But again I always go with parts shaite

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with parts sun, and we are
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that you can eliminate that dramatic melt
of the ice crystals and damage to the

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plant. And I think going with
partsn as opposed to part shade is being

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positive. Yeah, and it's fuer
letters. I like it. Letters.

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These things matter when you're designing to
so shout out to our designer Shannon on

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that one. Another great thing about
fairytrail Bride Hydrangea. It was developed by

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a gentleman named Ushio Sakazaki in Japan. And you may not have heard his

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name before, but if you have
ever grown proven Winter's plants, you are

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you have definitely grown his work.
He is the breeder behind super Tunia,

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Vista Bubblegum. Oh really he is
just and some Yeah, he is really

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just an absolute brilliant breeder. I'll
put some links in the show notes at

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Gardening Simplified on air dot com so
you can read more about how he managed

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to basically revolutionize petunia breeding. He's
also the breeder of blew my mind,

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of Volvulus, a plant that I
really like you grow a couple of years

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in a row, Lemon Slice,
super Bells, Lemon Slice, Caliber CoA,

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and a lot of the other Vista
Bubblegum, super tun News and of

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course Fairy trail Bride Hydrangel because his
true love is hydrangees. I'd love to

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meet him, Yeah, I would
too, way to go. We'd have

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him on, but I don't know
how confident he is in his English skills.

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And there's also a twelve hour time
difference, and I would not require

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him to join us at one am
Japan time to join us on the show.

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So it's a really incredible plant.
We're now saying it's hardy USA zone

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six to nine even five if you
cite it carefully with all this information in

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mind, four to feet four foot
tall and wide and really just an absolutely

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beautiful plant that everyone will make you
well. Everyone will say, what in

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the world is that I need to
know? And now that everybody got a

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raise where we bumped up the hardiness
zones a little bit, maybe you want

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to try it? Yeah, you
definitely should. You can learn more at

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Gardening Simplified on air dot com.
We're going to take a little break.

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your local garden center. Greeting's Gardening
friends and welcome back to the Gardening Simplified

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Show. It's my favorite time of
the show where we answer gardening questions.

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I love answering gardening questions, don't
you. Yeah, it's fun when people

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like ask you to party or you
know, like all right, well you

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better have a photo. But I
do love it because I do get stumped.

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But I love when I'm stumped because
that gives me like a new topic

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to explore. And I don't stay
stumped for long, so that gets my

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stump of approval. Yeah, outstanding. Yeah, and I love it too

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because it reminds us we're all in
the same boat. It's so true.

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Yeah, I mean, when you
ask something, there's almost certainly someone else

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out there going, oh, yeah, I've been wondering that too. So

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anyway, if you have a question
for us, you can reach us at

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Gardensimplified on air dot com. You
can also leave a YouTube comment. Adriana

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will pass those along to us.
You can put it on Instagram. There's

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so many different ways to reach us. So if you have a question,

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do ask. Spring is coming very
quickly. In fact, meteorological spring is

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less than a month away. Yes, and I go by meteorological spring even

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though it's tough to pronounce. Well, you know, it makes sense.

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It's a very nice, tidy way
to think about the season. So I

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feel you on that. So what's
our first question? Rick? All Right,

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Trixie's got a timely question. At
what points should gardeners fertilize their gardens

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in spring? Great question. My
cool seasoned vegetables are not growing very well,

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so Trixi's in Zone nine A.
The fifteen day forecast shows highs in

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the upper sixties with overnight lows in
the mid forties to low fifties. My

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average last frost is around March tenth. Also, will organic fertilizers such as

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aspoma start working now or do they
require heat in order to release their goodness

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to my plants? Thanks for all
you do. So I think you want

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to live where Trixy is living.
Yeahs like you're kind of climate there,

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So Tricksy, this is such a
great question, and I feel like there's

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a couple different components to it.
So you have the vegetable issue, and

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fertilizing cool season vegetables is obviously going
to be very different than just doing regular

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garden maintenance fertilization, And I don't
know what cool seasoned vegetables you're growing,

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but certainly if you have unusually cool
temperatures, they are going to grow a

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lot more slowly. And that's just
you know, a simple fact of them

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not being able to metabolize as effectively
as they do in spring. So even

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if you're growing cool season vegetables,
they're not going to grow like a vegetable

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at you know, the height of
the season. So I would recommend that

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you continue to fertilize those, you
know, using a liquid fertilizer like you

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would your your summer vegetables. But
I would say probably looking at like once

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a month instead of every week or
every two weeks. What do you think?

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approach that I take, Stacey,

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is I look more so at soil
temperature than air temperature. So Trixie's talking

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about frost or temperatures in the upper
sixties, but when that soil temperature gets

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to fifty five sixty degrees, if
they're sufficient moisture in the soil, then

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I think fertilizer can be effective.
Yeah, definitely, definitely. So speaking

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of fertilizer being effective at certain points, so organic fertilizers like a spoma,

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which as you know, we both
love. We've talked about them many times.

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They don't require heat in order to
release, but unless the planet is

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actively metabolizing, they could release their
nutrients through the process of weathering, which

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is just to say, the acids
in the soil, rainfall, water worms,

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and other microorganisms, all of that
working together to break down the grain

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of the fertilizer and make the nutrients
available to your plant. That will happen

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pretty much as long as the ground
is not free. But again, if

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it's releasing your nutrients those nutrients and
the plant is not actively metabolizing to take

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them up, then what can happen
is the fertilizer can run off and it's

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just a waste and potentially polluting,
or by the time the plant is actively

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metabolizing, it's not that the fertilizers
the nutrients are already gone. So I

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do recommend going a little bit closer
to the growing season. So I think

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probably for you Trixy now ish mid
February should be fine. But the thing

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to consider with requiring heat for release
is time release fertilizers. So like your

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Ozma coat, Proven Winners has a
continuous release fertilizer like that, anything that's

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that's engineered into a prill and intended
it with. If it says something like

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fertilizers for six months, that is
a time release fertilizer, and those do

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release their nutrients based on temperature,
and they calculate that range of time based

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on temperature a certain temperature. So
if you live in a warm climate like

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Trixy does, and it's a feeds
for six months, but yet you have

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a much warmer season than what was
calculated, it's not going to actually provide

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nutrients for six months. They will
actually go out sooner. Yeah, which

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is true, And I'm glad you
brought that up because these prills are highly

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effective and great. They take some
of the guests work out of it.

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Ideal for containers or if you're a
container growing some of your vegetables are flowers

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ideal and for folks who are keeping
score at home. Stacy mentioned the Aspoma

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fertilizers, So those are the tone
fertilizers like garden tone or tomato tone or

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plant tone. Yeah, love that
Rose tone is my go to for all

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shrub fertilizer needs. So you can
keep that in mind if anyone's wondering that.

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What's our next question? Uh,
Yolanda writes to us, First,

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I like to say I love your
show. Thank you very mulch. You

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guys are fun and super informative.
My husband and I have finally bought our

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own home, and I get to
spend lots of time outside gardening. I

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read books watch videos like yours to
learn, but there's nothing like hands on.

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You're right about that. I don't
use any chemicals, but I can't

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seem to find a solution for the
white fly problem in this particular garden.

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I've never seen anything like it.
They congregate on the salvia, tomatoes,

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even the mint. What's going on? What can I do? I've tried

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four seasons, but they seem to
be multiplying each year. Help with numerous

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exclamations, Yorlanda clearly needs some help
it. You know, Yorlanda is in

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a unique situation because most people think
of white flies as just a greenhouse pest.

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Yes, so it can be very
difficult to find good information about managing

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white flies outdoors. And they are
typically an issue of warmer, milder climates

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than us here in Michigan. But
you can have them in Michigan. I

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had terrible white flies on my tomatoes
last year, which must have certainly come

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from the greenhouse, but they just
didn't go away, and so some of

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my tomatoes they really didn't do well, and I was just very disappointed in

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that. So it can happen,
and if you have a mild enough climate,

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then they can keep overwintering and not
die out. So most of the

405
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control recommendations you're going to see do
indeed recommend using something chemical. But I

406
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am going to put an alternative out
there, and that is that white flies

407
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have a number of natural enemies,
things like parasitic wasps, lace wings,

408
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which almost every garden in the US
has a good population of lace wings,

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and all of these beneficial insects.
It's primarily the larval stage of the insect,

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or the baby as it were,
that controls the pests. And if

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you want them to be in your
garden, you need to make the adults

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feel at home. And what that
means is planting more flowers. And what

413
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a great recommendation for pest control other
than to plant more flowers. So look

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for flowers, especially small flowers,
because these insects tend to be quite tiny,

415
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so they're not really necessarily going to
make use of like a rose.

416
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They like things that are in the
daisy family, which each flowers made up

417
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of a lot of little individual florets, you know, yarrow. Also in

418
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the daisy family. Sweet Alyssum is
another good example zinias. Yeah, anything

419
00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:17.960
with that compound center and smaller flowers
plant more that will definitely encourage those beneficial

420
00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:19.559
insects and they should take care of
it on their own. And another thing

421
00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:25.440
you can do is if you have
a really badly infected plant, part go

422
00:30:25.480 --> 00:30:27.440
out there early in the morning and
just snip it off and throw it away

423
00:30:27.720 --> 00:30:33.200
exactly because they do tend to congregate
the white flies. And I think great

424
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point, Stacy, and I think
you look for that and you clip off

425
00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:44.559
some of those really infected foliage leaves. But the other thing to do is

426
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to inspect the underside foliage. That's
where you want to attack. And Yolanda,

427
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:55.920
if you decide to spray, I've
had some success using insecticidal soap.

428
00:30:56.519 --> 00:31:00.160
And if you use insect decidal soap, the key element there is not simply

429
00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:03.519
to sprits the plant. But again, you're gonna get dirty. Your knees

430
00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:07.039
are gonna get dirty, your hands
are gonna get dirty, because you've got

431
00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:10.319
to get up under the plant.
Now, that is one of those easier

432
00:31:10.359 --> 00:31:14.200
said than done things if I've ever
heard one, and they're done that.

433
00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:18.359
But whether you are hand picking or
spraying, do remember they are flies,

434
00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:22.720
so they like to fly up if
they're disturbed. But if you go out

435
00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:25.079
there early in the morning, you'll
get them before they wake up and you'll

436
00:31:25.119 --> 00:31:29.000
have much better success. Sounds good. Ann has a question about a plant

437
00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:34.160
we love and is located in Ontario, Canada, zone five B and has

438
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two hellibor plants in a mostly dry, shady area. I only offer supplemental

439
00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:42.519
water when it hasn't rained for a
week or two. They get about two

440
00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:47.559
hours of sunlight in the afternoon.
They've been in the ground for two seasons,

441
00:31:47.559 --> 00:31:51.440
have not bloomed at all. Could
you please advise what I should do

442
00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:55.119
to get them to bloom. I
have some hellibores in the same situation,

443
00:31:55.240 --> 00:32:00.319
and I find stacy that in dry
shade I can grow hellibar foliage that they

444
00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:05.319
don't bloom. Well, yeah,
they aren't a plant that particularly enjoys being

445
00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:08.480
stressed. I mean most plants probably
don't, but I very often stress my

446
00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:14.559
plants, and my helibores don't appreciate
it. So yeah, I think that

447
00:32:15.400 --> 00:32:17.839
you know in and did include a
photo which we'll put in our show notes.

448
00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:22.079
Now looking at her garden, she
has a beautiful planting of lungwart in

449
00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:25.440
aurelia, And these are plants that
I think for them to do well,

450
00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:30.160
you know, definitely there must be
some amount of water because they could take

451
00:32:30.319 --> 00:32:32.839
far less drought than the hellibor is. But one thing on helibores is a

452
00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:37.359
lot of people don't realize if you
have seed grown helibores, they take a

453
00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:42.720
lot longer to get to a blooming
age than tissue cultured helibores. So if

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00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:45.319
you don't know, or the plants
are smaller, they just need to be

455
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:47.799
more mature. Tissue culture helibores,
you'll pay more for them, but they'll

456
00:32:47.799 --> 00:32:53.240
flower much faster. And in dry
shade. I've had success by simply adding

457
00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:58.440
organic matter. So if you can
add organic matter, that's going to make

458
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a difference. Yeah, even mulch. Yeah, up and have faith.

459
00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:05.440
This should hopefully be their year.
If not, well what else can you

460
00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:07.960
do? At least they have good
foliage, which they're earning their keep.

461
00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:09.480
We're going to take a little bit
of a break when we come back We've

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It's time for branching news and Stacey, it's well super Bowl time and it

468
00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:49.119
causes me to think of the story
of Sir Isaac Newton discovering gravity by having

469
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an apple fall on his head.
Now, let me explain there's a lot

470
00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:58.640
of people who do not understand or
know that there is a tool and instrument

471
00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:06.039
around called the the cleg Impact soil
tester. So this is a device where

472
00:34:06.759 --> 00:34:10.440
and the cleg hammer, so to
speak, takes its name from Baden Clegg,

473
00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:16.880
who is an Australian engineer who dreamed
up this device not with sports in

474
00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:24.119
mind, but basically foundations. And
it's a hammer or a tool that drops

475
00:34:24.199 --> 00:34:30.039
weight like the apple on Sir Isaac
Newton's head. That is alleged to have

476
00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:36.679
happened to cause him to discover gravity. And that weighted hammer with a sensor

477
00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:40.679
on its nose drops from a tube
on a defined height to the turf area

478
00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:45.159
or to the soil. And what
it does is it measures the density of

479
00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:49.639
the soil. Now, how does
this all tie into the Super Bowl?

480
00:34:49.679 --> 00:34:52.800
Well in the news this past week, the San Francisco forty nine ers made

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00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:57.960
it to the site of the Super
Bowl game and to practice, they get

482
00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:01.280
a field and they didn't like the
condition of the field, And I guess

483
00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:09.039
I can't blame them. Athletes have
really concerns over how dense or compacted a

484
00:35:09.159 --> 00:35:14.840
soil is or how hard the turf
is. Golfers do too, and so

485
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:21.320
they use a cleg device to determine
how compact or how hard the surface is.

486
00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:25.320
And there's your football lesson for this
week. So did they do the

487
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:29.280
cleg test to say, hey,
this field won't work for us, we

488
00:35:29.320 --> 00:35:31.519
need a cleg of at least X
number? Yes, they did. Isn't

489
00:35:31.519 --> 00:35:35.519
that any they travel with their own
cleg hammer. That's a great question,

490
00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:39.000
and it causes me to believe they
do. They must somebody around has the

491
00:35:39.079 --> 00:35:44.840
cleg job drops the Sir Isaac Newton
Apple and says this field isn't going to

492
00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:47.840
work. And of course, you
know, high concern within the NFL and

493
00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:53.599
in football for things like concussions,
and rightfully so, and so I'm just

494
00:35:53.639 --> 00:36:00.639
sharing this with you that there is
such a thing as a cleg hammer and

495
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:04.920
athletes have interest in it. Well, you know, I don't celebrate the

496
00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:13.000
Super Bowl. I celebrate the Superbowl. The Superbowl. And how did you

497
00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:15.960
do that, Stacy Hi? You
know, looking at pictures of owls and

498
00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:20.280
talking about owls and hoping to see
an owl? You do bird watching on

499
00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:22.880
Super Sunday. Yeah, I love
it. I love it. Well,

500
00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:28.159
hopefully you have some good snacks to
go along with that. That's great,

501
00:36:29.719 --> 00:36:35.199
all right, boy, you are
hot on the puns today. Superbowl is

502
00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:40.320
It's a phenomenon. I love it, all right. Well, hey,

503
00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:45.400
as long as we're on the subject
of wild animals. A power outage affecting

504
00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:51.119
thousands of customers in downtown Toronto was
caused by an unlucky raccoon that wandered into

505
00:36:51.159 --> 00:36:57.599
the wrong place. Utility officials say
so seven thousand downtown customers in Toronto were

506
00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:01.840
out of power last week. They
did determined that the raccoon had made contact

507
00:37:02.119 --> 00:37:09.239
with their equipment at a downtown Toronto
station. Uh, that poor raccoon.

508
00:37:09.559 --> 00:37:13.880
What is with the raccoons in Toronto. It's a phenomenon. It is a

509
00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:16.320
phenomenon. It's like there's a whole
thing. Yeah. Yeah, And I

510
00:37:16.400 --> 00:37:22.199
have tons of great raccoon puns,
but they're all in the trash, so

511
00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:24.880
I won't share them with you.
Here's a great story. I love this.

512
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:30.519
A two hundred and eighty five year
old lemon. Oh can you imagine

513
00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:32.679
that? A fruit? Oh?
No, I can't. A two hundred

514
00:37:32.679 --> 00:37:36.840
and eighty five year old lemon was
found in the back of an old cabinet

515
00:37:36.920 --> 00:37:42.719
drawer and was auctioned for one thousand, seven hundred and eighty dollars in England.

516
00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:46.280
So they had a nineteenth century cabinet
that was brought to an auction house

517
00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:51.880
by a family who said it belonged
to a deceased uncle, and a specialist

518
00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:57.440
was photographing the cabinet for sale when
the lemon was discovered in the back of

519
00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:01.800
a drawer. The fruit was inscribed
with the message and it was dated November

520
00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:08.159
fourth, seventeen thirty nine, and
so the auction house thought, all right,

521
00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:13.159
let's auction off this old lemon.
They got one thousand, seven hundred

522
00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:15.000
and eighty dollars for I. You
know, I don't know that the lemons

523
00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:20.000
should have been separated from the cabinet. Tell you the truth. Good point.

524
00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:24.440
Well, the cabinet meanwhile, sold
for forty bucks. What Yeah,

525
00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:30.519
the cabinet sold for forty bucks,
but the lemon sold for one thousand,

526
00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:35.519
seven hundred and eighty dollars. Doesn't
surprise me. Lemons are simply the zest.

527
00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:39.400
And as far as this lemon from
seventeen let's see, it's November four,

528
00:38:39.559 --> 00:38:45.199
seventeen thirty nine, I say,
bitter late than never. Indeed,

529
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:51.480
yeah, ifty remark greck. Most
kitchens around the world will likely have a

530
00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:57.239
jar of papri cut in the spice
rack. But here's an interesting thing.

531
00:38:57.639 --> 00:39:02.239
Most people have no idea where prika
comes from. They do not, and

532
00:39:02.440 --> 00:39:07.079
I will admit I didn't either.
Well, there has been a bit going

533
00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:10.719
around on social media. It just
topolic recently, so exactly, and I

534
00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:15.239
did. I have to admit I
didn't know. Now, I didn't think

535
00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:19.960
that there was some paprika tree out
there, of course, Okay, but

536
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:23.960
when push comes to shovel. I
really hadn't taken the time to think about

537
00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:30.960
it. And essentially it's dried and
crushed red bell peppers and other peppers.

538
00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:34.440
Yeah. Yeah, a lot of
people were surprised to discover that it is

539
00:39:34.840 --> 00:39:39.480
comprised primarily of your standard red bell
pepper. Well, paprika was invented so

540
00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:45.920
that they could liberally coat it all
over the top of deviled eggs, which

541
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:50.639
are about one of the most miserable
rotten things you could eat. Controversial,

542
00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:57.800
You'll never eat one, yes on
super Bowel Sunday and I will not be

543
00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:04.280
having devil days on su perb owl
Sunday. Wow. Yeah, what does

544
00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:07.280
the paprika say when you knock on
the door? Hold on? I'm Koman.

545
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:16.559
I figured I threw a bit and
I love this story from Bellevue,

546
00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:22.320
Washington. An inert rocket of the
type used to carry a nuclear warhead has

547
00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:28.039
been found in the garage of a
home of a deceased resident in Washington State.

548
00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:30.760
So the Bellevue police responded. Now, the reason I'm bringing this up

549
00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:35.559
is, as you know, one
of my New Year's resolutions was to finally

550
00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:38.519
get my shed cleaned out. And
when you clean out a garage or a

551
00:40:38.599 --> 00:40:43.119
shed. You never know what you're
gonna find. And in this case with

552
00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:47.440
this gentleman, he had a rocket
in his garage his shed. The bomb

553
00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:53.000
squad members inspected the rusting object and
found it was a Douglas air to Genie.

554
00:40:53.320 --> 00:40:59.440
The previous designation was an MB one, which is an unguided air to

555
00:40:59.480 --> 00:41:05.079
air ride bocket that is designed to
carry a nuclear warhead. Oh dear,

556
00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:08.199
and it was just sitting in his
grudge. Yeah, he probably planned to

557
00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:13.079
do something with it, but it
never took off. So can you believe

558
00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:17.360
that when you clean the tool shed
you never know what you're going to find.

559
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:22.119
And then let's finish this off here. I was so overjoyed some time

560
00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:29.000
ago when punk Satani Phil did not
see his shadow? Right I did he

561
00:41:29.079 --> 00:41:30.760
see his shadow? He didn't see
his shadow. So spring is coming.

562
00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:34.119
It's an opposite of what you would
think it should be. Okay, So

563
00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:37.400
he didn't see a shadow, so
we're going to have an early spring.

564
00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:43.199
This groundhog tradition is thought to have
originated in the eighteen hundreds. But why

565
00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:46.199
should Pennsylvania have all the fun?
So I just want to share with you

566
00:41:46.360 --> 00:41:52.639
that across the country there are other
methods of determining whether or not it will

567
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:59.039
be an early spring. Oregon has
the Fufu hedgehog, Florida has a burrowing

568
00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:05.400
owl. Oh yeah, North Carolina
has Penny the Squirrel. New York has

569
00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:10.519
Kluck Satawny Henrietta the Chicken. Connecticut
has Scrambled the Duck. Texas has b

570
00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:16.840
Cave Bob the armadillo, and Oregon
also has Stumptown Phil the Beavers. So

571
00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:23.800
punk Satawani Phil has some competition for
this prognostication of the spring weather. They

572
00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:29.800
should create an event where they all
come together in cell tickets. I would

573
00:42:29.800 --> 00:42:32.079
see that. Yes, that sounds
kind of amazing. I love it.

574
00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:36.679
I love it. Hey, today's
show has been a kick in the plants,

575
00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:39.440
and happy trellis to you until we
wead again. Thank you Stacey,

576
00:42:39.559 --> 00:42:44.400
thank you Rick, thank you Adriana
Robinson, and thank you to you all

577
00:42:44.440 --> 00:42:47.360
of you who watch on YouTube,
listen to our podcast, listen to us

578
00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:52.239
on radio, of course, our
website Gardening Simplified on Air dot Com,

579
00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:55.360
look for us on Instagram, and
for all of that, we say thank

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00:42:55.400 --> 00:43:01.760
you very much. Have a great
week.

