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Well, well, well, first
of all, we are coming your way

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early this Christmas weekend because there's so
much to talk about. And at the

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same time, frankly, TJ's a
madman on Christmas Eve as it is,

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so, we already have the recap
podcast out early. As you're with us

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on the Fight Freaks Unit recap podcast. I am merely the somewhat capable host.

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I did go third person TJ Reeves. He is our insider. Fight

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Freaks Unite is his substack Big Fight
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coming your way early because there's so
much to talk about. From day of

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reckoning, it has happened, and
my god, a funny thing happened on

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the way to the two megafights with
Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua. How many

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times did we say they both have
to win, even though Rayphael and I

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and the rest of the planet didn't
believe that either one of them would lose.

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That's why it's boxing, that's why
it's unexpected. And now is that

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out the window. We're about to
discuss that with the mighty on. Hello,

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Dan Rayfield, you and I doing
this just a couple of hours after

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the pay per view is over,
and we consumed it. It's amazing to

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run down everything that has happened with
this pay per view, but in particular

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the Wilder. The Wilder Fight's gonna
take up some of the real estate.

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At the beginning of the show,
how are you, my friend, I'm

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good. Listen. I enjoyed that
pay per view thoroughly. I thought that

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it was a long day. I
started watching at eleven o'clock in the morning.

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I didn't take a piss till about
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took a little break between the Wilder
fight and the Joshua fight. But look,

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I mean, as we talked about
beforehand, for the price point of

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thirty nine to ninety nine, now, for the depth of the show,

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and the name guys on the show, and the titles on the show,

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and all the heavyweights on the show, and all I don't know about you,

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I felt like I got my money's
worth, and I was very happy

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with it. A little bit for
everybody. Oh, no job, I'm

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gonna make you. I'm gonna make
you laugh. Because I'm in my living

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room at the palatial Reefs estate in
suburban Tampa, Florida. My wife leaves

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with my twin teenage daughters because she
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Had go buy Starbucks, of course, to get them some coffee and

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whatever they wanted. They went somewhere
else to a store, God help them.

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On the day before Christmas Eve.
They get back two hours later.

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I'm in the same spot, still
watching boxing, and she says, you

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haven't moved, and I said,
we still got two fights to go because

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the Wilder fight hadn't happened yet.
So it was a long day. By

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the way, we have a lot
to talk about the same thing in my

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house. My wife and my son. They went out to run a couple

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of errands and then they came home
for a little while. I was still

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in the same spot basically. Then
they went to a movie in the afternoon

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and came back and I, you
know, I had gotten all times and

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whatever, but I was still in
this in my office on the on my

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big screen, watching and writing and
all that. So yeah, all right,

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it's where it was, a labor
of love. Labor of love.

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All right. Again, thank you
for finding us. You're on the Big

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Fight Weekend podcast. For you.
This is the Fight Freaks U Night recap.

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Typically we would come your way Sunday
night into Monday, but again with

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the Christmas holiday, we are doing
this early and because it's so appropriate with

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the pay per view, So rate
us, review us, thank you for

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finding us, follow subscribe the whole
bit. All right. So in the

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chronology, let's talk about the Wilder
loss to Joseph Parker. Full credit to

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Parker. He outfought him. He
had a good plan. Okay, so

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that's on the front end. Give
him credit for the win and for the

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upset. He was as much as
a five to one underdog. I didn't

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see it coming. I think many
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done. Now that being said,
I'm gonna tee you up here. What

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was that from Deontay Wilder? Because
there are theories everywhere on Saturday night from

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and maybe it's a combination. He's
washed up. His skills were never tremendous

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to begin with, and now they've
eroded at thirty seven thirty eight years of

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age, over the last couple of
years, he's not active enough. A

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combination of all of it in the
stew but my friend, he did almost

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nothing for twelve rounds. From where
I sat and watched your thoughts watching Joshua

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Wilder go up in smoke over twelve
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as far as what up with Deontay
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combination of those things. You know, he hadn't fought but less than one

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round in a year plus prior to
that, he had been annihilated by Tyson

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Fury two times in a row with
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fight was competitive, he scored his
own set of knockdowns, but he took

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a hillacious beating and bad, bad
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And as you mentioned, he is
now thirty eight years old, and you

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put all that together and maybe he
is washed up? I mean, you

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know, you just the uh preponderance
of the evidence would suggest that he probably

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is. And I say that not
with joy, but because that's the nature

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of life. That you are a
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all the things I just mentioned to
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along those lines too. And he
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asked about his future, you know, are you are we going to see

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you again? And me. He
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He's like, well, if this
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had a great time. I've you
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and you know, I'm content in
my life. I'm happy in my

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life, and maybe it will be
the last. I've my money, I've

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invested my money. He said that
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Did so all those things taken into
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if he does decide to call it
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him. I mean, you know, I think back to the first time

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I met Deontay Wilder. It was
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debut in a hotel in Nashville,
Tennessee, and he was this skinny little

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rail two hundred and eight pounds or
something like that. He was only two

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thirteen today, amazingly, and the
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You know, we're you know,
his Shelley Finkle still his manager this

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day. You know, we're going
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It didn't turn out that way in
terms of the bulk, but he

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certainly achieved everything they could have hoped
for. At that moment when he was

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just you know, a young pup
about the term professional. Went on to

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make tremendous amounts of money, had
a five year title reign with the WBC

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belt, defended that title ten times, was involved in some mega fights with

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Tyson Fury, and scored some of
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see a true bona fide knockout artist. I still whatever you thought about his

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performance in the fight against Joseph Parker, to me, he's the greatest pure

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puncher I've ever seen covering boxing for
as long as I have, I think

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he will go down as one of
the great heavyweight punchers in the history of

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the sport at the level you know, in conversations with like the George Foreman's

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and Ernie Shavers and Mike Tyson and
those caliber punchers, so you know,

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at the end, you know he
has nothing to hang his hat ont Tonight

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was a terrible performance. Let's be
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I mean, I know, we
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He only threw two hundred and four
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he only landed thirty nine. I
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but this was not a title fight, so you know that was that was

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a very poor output. And you
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time, by the way, TJ, that you go into a Deontay Wilder

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fight and you know, and the
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to land the right hand. It's
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age myself in the mid eighties,
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fucking stadium knows he's going to try
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still exactly the same thing. Everybody
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a right hand. And he never
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Parker took a few, but not
clean and flush, and he did just

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enough, kept busy enough. He
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Deyonta. He landed almost double the
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to do and he didn't run.
He didn't like make it a snore fest

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on his end. He tried to
fight the guy. And all credit Joseph

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good. He's a good heavyweight and
I give him credit. He's a he's

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a likable guy, and he got
a big, big, big win.

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I think, as he said,
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then when he won the world title
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of the name and magnitude and the
upset. I would agree with all of

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those things. So let me go
back to something on the Disown pay per

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view broadcast, and I thought this
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the fight, Chris Mannis said,
beware here because this is the same thing

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as the second Luis King Kong Ortez
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active, not jabbing, not combinations, not anything, and then boom.

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So Mannix was right on it to
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And then I thought the Latin snake
props to him had a great point,

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which is it's one thing to look
for the knockout, but he's not

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doing anything to set the knockout up
with a jab with feints, with anything.

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And my friend, you know this, You've been doing it forever at

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the highest level. It was the
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It was almost like groundhog Day.
Round after round. He's not jabbing,

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he's not doing anything. To set
it up. He's almost hoping,

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praying that there's gonna be an opening
where I land the straight right, the

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hard right, and it ever came. It was just that you were around

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the ninth round, You're like,
yeah, if he had landed the shot

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the big right hand, I think
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Joseph Parker because Joseph's been hurt before, Joseph's been down before, Joseph has

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been knocked out before. And what
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out by Joe Joyce, who is
a good puncher, but not on the

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level of a Deontay Wilder, and
he could never find that big shot.

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And I will say also must be
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has done with Joseph Parker. Andy
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school of Emmanuel Stewart, the late
great trainer and somebody I was close to

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before he passed. But you know, Emmanuel was the trainer and worked with

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Andy from the time he turned professional. And Andy learned at the knee of

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the great one. And he's taking
you know, it's like in a professional

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coaching in football or in basketball.
You know, the college coaches or some

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of the pro coaches, they have
their coaching tree. Well, Emanuel may

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no longer be with us, but
the the Kronk tradition and the Kronc name

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and the Kronc style. Harry's on
with the outstanding boxing mind like Andy Lee

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who trains Joe Parker, who had
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Andy's cousin who happens to be Tyson
Fury, who was very close to Joe

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Parker, so he helped him in
terms of like the game plan because he

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had fought against Deontay Wilder three times, certainly was able to provide him was

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mis sparring at that tall height,
and so as a team they did a

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hell of a job. But Andy
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game plan and more even it's one
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Coaches can draw great game plans all
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athlete that can stick to it for
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got to stick to it. And
Joseph was able to be disciplined enough and

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focused enough to maintain that plan for
the entirety of the fight, because,

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as we all know, if he
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it might cost him monockout loss.
And he did a great job by

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just having that tonal vision and you
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they did a good job to keep
him on on on that path and uh,

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you know it was it was a
great victory for Joseph Park. I'm

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I'm I'm happy for him as a
as a person and uh, you know,

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as a fighter, he's going to
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What his next fight is, that's
hard to say, TJ. Because it's

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a big, huge win and he's
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big name. I don't think there's
really any public interest or appetite at this

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moment, at least for him to
have a rematch against Anthony Joshua. Obviously

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Joshua defeated him several years ago when
they meant to unify the heavyweight belts back,

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you know, in front of a
huge crowd, you know, like

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eighty thousand or whatever in Cardiff.
Uh, but he's he's right there for

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anybody. I mean, maybe he
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I mean the interesting you know,
I don't I don't think there's gonna be

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a I mean maybe he'll ask for
a Joe Joyce rematch. You never know

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that that may be something. Who
that knows Joe lost the fights to to

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to Jang anyway, but uh h, Joe's in business right now. He's

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gonna have a wonderful holiday. And
then they'll they'll re uh you know,

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they'll they'll they'll reconvene in the early
part of next sure to figure out the

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next step. Again, full credit
to him, But the bigger story is

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what in the world and maybe it
is the end here. And I will

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just say this as somebody that has
been on this podcast now for the last

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six or seven years touting Deontay Wilder
the power, like you were saying how

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much fun and entertainment it was.
It just appears that and you theorize this,

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that Tyson Fury took most, if
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him with those two knockout losses.
We didn't hang on. We didn't really

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learn anything from the Hellnius fight because
it was one thunderous punch early. But

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now what we learned fourteen fifteen months
later is he's thirty eight years old and

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could not produce any offense and at
some point father time, those two wars

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with Fury where he ended up on
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There. I mean, we're just
fewing facts here. Did deont to the

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public. Did Deontay Wilder look like
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anything in a future fight? I
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level, not after what we saw. So, yes, those those Fury

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fights, without question took something out
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said when you take a look at
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and even against the Sword, who
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him a long time to get rid
of him. That that those fights took

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a lot out of Fury also multiple
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when you get to be older,
as heavyweights or any athlete for that matter,

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was a matter what way class you're
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as you mentioned, time waits for
nobody. I mean, there are there

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are freakish occurrences where George Forman can
win a heavyweight belt in his mid forties,

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Where when Bernard Hopkins can still have
effective wins, you know, into

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his fifties, even eventually it comes
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remember when Lennox Lewis was going strong, and he was like in his mid

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thirties. They would talk about how
he might be done. And you know,

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now we here we have fury At
around that same age now, and

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we have Deontay Wilder, you know, four years older than that roughly.

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So, uh, this era and
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think so this era it's not closed
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on this group of guys. And
that next group of guys is theoretically waiting

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in the wings. And that's guys
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Jared Anderson of Philip Herkovic, you
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a you know down the road,
maybe when Jai Obataya goes from cruiser weight

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to heavyweight. We'll talk about his
win in a minute. But those are

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the guys that are younger that are
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out of that group, who can
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It's hard to get that because it
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at the way the heavyweights have gone, it takes a little while to regenerate

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because you have like the Great Year
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Foreman and Fraser Ali and plenty of
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Whether I mentioned before, you know, an Ernie Shavers, there was Kenny

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Norton, there was Jerry Quarry.
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different quality heavyweights at that time.
And then the eighties you had the great

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Larry Holmes, and you had a
lot of other guys that were good,

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but nobody that became a dominating fighter
or a star. And then then you

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had to wait till the emergence of
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pretty much through most of the nineties
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Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield and Michael
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Ray Mercer. I mean, go
on, there's a lot of like good

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quality heavyweights at that time. And
then you had the emergence of the clitch

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Goes. But it was a division
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the word that you love, bereft
of other top talent. And so

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then it came after them the next
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twenties that were now Wilder Fury,
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I mean, these are the guys
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may be in for a moment in
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We're gonna go and skip that decade
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group of guys that can become stars. Just the way's work, good point,

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love Dan's inside. Okay. So
that set up the final fight of

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the co main event, which is
Anthony Joshua. We've already tipped it you

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obviously. If you're a boxing fan, you know this. He won over

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Otto Violin. He was impressive,
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but man, once he got going
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he busted vealeen up. I believe
it's as we're doing this. I haven't

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heard the official confirmation, but I
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bleeny, because you heard the corner
man say you're done. He said

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it to Veleen, you're done after
the fifth round, and the punches said

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it to him and said we're stopping
this thing. So Joshua, very interesting.

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Give me your thought. He's back
in the locker room and he's watching

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what happened to Deontay Wilder and the
non performance in Parker dominating the fight and

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winning on a virtual shutout. I
wonder what we're just speculating. I wonder

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what you think is going through his
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going and fighting. I don't know. So he said in the interview with

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Mannix after the fight that he did
not see the fight on the minor,

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he did not watch it, that
he didn't know that that Deontay had lost,

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but he hadn't watched the fight.
Obviously, he's gloving up, he's

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shaking out, he's warming up,
he's, you know, focusing on what

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he's got to do at hand.
He's you know, going over the game

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and whatever. He's not paying attention
necessary to Wilder. So while he knew

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the result, you know, he's
a listening. But here's the thing,

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Joshua was a professional. I mean, he puts it out of his mind.

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He's like, I've been all weak. I've been asked about that,

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and I just have to focus on
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He knows him. They had sparred
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fight together. He knows that he's
a quality headweight. He wasn't going to

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be disrespectful and stub his own toe, so to speak, and and not

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do his part. So he went
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suddenly Wilder lost. Now I don't
have to fight my fight. He's and

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so I would submit to you.
He was everything Wilder was not in his

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fight. He was aggressive, he
was sharp with the jab, putting combinations

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together. It was I mean,
it was an impressive performance. I thought,

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what did you think watching Joshua was
Saturday night in Saudi Arabia. I

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thought it was the best that Antony
Joshua has looked since before he fought the

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fights with Usik, without question,
in terms of the fights he's had since

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the Usik fight, which are the
two wins he had this year earlier against

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frank and and and against Helenius,
you know where he went a distance with

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Franklin, knocked out Helenius and then
tonight knocked out Otto. This was by

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far and away his best performance since
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Let's called him since his defeats against
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he he was on his toes to
some degree. He had his punches

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were sharp. Uh, he just
had a spring in the steps. He

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seemed like he had a good body
language, like he was happy to be

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there, like glad to be in
the ring, you know, in a

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in a happy place. I mean, look, he before he lost sic,

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this was a fight that took place
with a very small crowd. This

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was during COVID when he knocked out
who brought poole v right pretty good at

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that fight. The fight before that
was when he had the rematch against Andy

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Ruis and regained the title. And
even though he thought a brilliant fight that

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night and stoock to the perfect game
plan that his then trainer H. Robert

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McCracken had installed for him, he
looked tentative in that fight though. He

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looked like he didn't want to get
hit in that fight, Like there was

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definitely still some cobwebs and some memories
of getting knocked out by Ruiz in the

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previous fight. So it's been a
little while since he's been back in this

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spot. You got to probably go
back maybe to like the Povetkin fight,

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even which is before he fought Andy
for the first time, when he was

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righting hot and unified the title.
So you know, look, it's good

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to see him back. And again
I don't want to make too much and

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it was Auto Valeen. It wasn't
a Hall of Famer or a former champion

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or a guy with big accomplishment.
You know, again, not to knock

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Auto at all, but in essence, it's the guy that made a name

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off of a of a competitive loss
to Fury, So we got to just

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keep it in perspective. But that's
it. It was a very excellent performance

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from Joshua. You want to watch
him again. It was exciting. He

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threw a lot of punches. He
can still hit hard and he's still got

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a fan base, and you know, it's good when the big names are

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back in action. It's just unfortunate
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And so what we said was and
this has now been born out. Even

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though Valeen may tactically as a south
Paul, try to use the jab,

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try to use the handspeed and the
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it makes it more impressive what Usik
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him at bay with the a land, the fast, hard combinations, because

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Valeen couldn't do any of that to
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credit, let's prop him up.
He got it done, he got the

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win. And so the best question
that I always pose to you is,

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now, what I know what Eddie
Hearn was saying after the fight, because

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now the the Joshua Wilder fight is
completely out the window. He was saying,

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Philip Hergovich for the ibfuh interim title, if not eventually the full title.

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I say, so what do you
so? What do you think?

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What do you think realistic? What's
realistically next? It's not the interim title.

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It will be the vacant title is
what it will be. Now,

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whether they make that you know,
fight official or not, you know,

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that still remains to be seen.
But the reason why that's the case is

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because the IBF has already mandated that
Hergovic, who's been the mandatory, that

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the winner of Usik versus Fury,
must fight Hergovic's next or be stripped.

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And since they have a rematch clause, the likelihood of them not doing a

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rematch and taking a much smaller fight
financially, just to maintain the IDF is

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very basically zero chance of that happening. So the point is that most people

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believe accurately I think is at once
Fury and Usik takes place in February,

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the winner of that fight will soon
after either vacant or ultimately be stripped of

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that title. Then Herkovich, who
was not gonna he was supposed to get

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the winner, won't get the winner. He'll get the next guy. Now

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you say, why did Joshua fight
Otto in the first place. People were

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saying he might be dangerous because he's
southpaw and all that. The reason was

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because even though the Wilder fight was
there, if he had won at the

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time that the fight between him and
and Otto was finalized, that the Wilder

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fight was not made yet. That's
that's a true point. So Otto had

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won an IBF eliminator for number two
in his previous fight that was in the

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like September, I want to say, and he became the number two contender

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in their rankings with the victory over
Gassia. So Joshua, I think is

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like three or four. When he
lost, Joshua was going to move up

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if the title becomes vacant, they'll
order the number one contender, which is

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her to fight the next leading of
albut contender, which will be who tj

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reeves. I believe his initials are
Aja, Yes, sir, that'll be

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Anthony Joshua. So he had that
in his back pocket that if the Wilder

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fight doesn't work out, at least
I've got a pathway set and squared away

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for me to become a three time
heavyweight champion, which is important to him

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to some degree, and that'll be
the opportunity. Are makes Are you telling

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me that we have logic intervening late
Saturday into Sunday and then on March the

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ninth, instead of what was supposed
to be set up with Joshua and Wilder,

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that will go ahead and get a
very compelling one versus two in the

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IBF that's potentially for the will be
for the world title in Saudi Arabia between

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Herkovic and Joshua. It makes too
much sense. By the way, call

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me crazy crazy. There's a reason
why Hergovich was on this card because he

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has a three fight deal with the
Saudi's. It was this fight to quote

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unquote stay busy. It was the
title fight next, whoever was going to

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be against was the winner of theory
you was sick or potentially Otto Valleen if

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he won, or potentially Joshua if
that was what ended up transpiring. And

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so we will see him back on
one of these cards, you know,

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probably against Joshua at some point,
unless you know, I mean the monkey

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wrench there. I was saying this
to somebody earlier. Let's just say for

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the argument's sake that uh, there's
an interest on behalf of this audience,

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because when they've got that money,
they can make any fight they want.

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Let's say they want to say,
hey, let's make Anthony Joshua against Francis

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Naganu for fun. That could happen. Not crazy. Do you hear my

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silence? Yes? I do.
I'm just I'm speaking. I'm just being

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real. So I understand what they
could do. But why, I mean,

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off of this, Because Herkovic destroyed
the opponent that he was supposed to

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in one round, why would you
not make Herkovic and Anthony Joshua march and

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have the fight fans fired up.
All I'm saying is you never know.

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That's the logical thing. It's what
the IBF is going to order. You

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got to wait to see what acts
transpires with a theory and husk, that's

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the probability. But it's boxing.
There's always monkey wrenches that get thrown into

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things, and maybe some other thing
will come up that's more interesting to the

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Saudi's and or to Joshua. All
right, but that seems like the logical

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thing that will happen, but you
never can say for sure. Is a

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bottom line. I don't disagree.
We matriculate along on this here recap podcast

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down the fight carst Oh, before
we get down, I gotta i gotta

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bring up this point, please.
It's not related to the fight itself.

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I'm watching Joshua against Auto Valleen and
there's always fucking something with the zone.

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For three rounds of that fight,
there was no fucking audio, I know.

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And what pissed me off even more. First of all, I thought

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it was just mine and I'm tapping. I'm like, I'm like, did

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I hit mute? Did I go? What did I do? And after

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like sixty seconds, I'm going,
where is the audio? And then they

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put the dreaded audio difficulties up on
the screen with a graphic and I'm like

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what a time. I wouldn't have
been upset if they put like Mannix and

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Mora and Todd Grishaman you I'm just
joking with my voice. No, but

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even if I'm not listening to that
announcements, I would like to hear the

406
00:25:10,519 --> 00:25:12,920
crowd like the sound of the natural
punches in the in the audience. This

407
00:25:14,079 --> 00:25:18,119
was total silence, and they put
the apologies for the delay for three rounds.

408
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,200
Somebody made the point to me on
social media that shit doesn't happen with

409
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,640
HBO or Showtime. Now. Maybe
there might be ten seconds where there's an

410
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,680
audio glitch or something like that.
Maybe the audio had to go to the

411
00:25:27,799 --> 00:25:32,480
bathroom. After eight hours of doing
all the pay per view the A two,

412
00:25:32,599 --> 00:25:34,799
the audio guy had to leave the
truck for a couple of rounds.

413
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,359
All I know is you buy a
pay per view, you expect audio.

414
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,240
And what pissed me off more to
rub salt in the wound, is because

415
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:45,279
those motherfuckers show commercials between rounds of
a pay per view. That's disgusting.

416
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,160
First of all, I already bought
the show. You you're gonna give me

417
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,519
commercials is making me? Let me
see replays and corner audio. The audio

418
00:25:52,559 --> 00:25:56,519
worked fine for the damn DraftKings commercial, but it didn't work for the for

419
00:25:56,599 --> 00:26:00,400
the fight. So that was like
just a slap in the even more even

420
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:06,079
more maddening because that commercial is being
run somewhere else. That's why. But

421
00:26:06,519 --> 00:26:11,839
yeah, that was a mess,
but we did get something point now,

422
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:15,680
they got the they got the fight
card to its conclusion, so I understand,

423
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,119
uh, I understand the issue on
that, right. So let's back

424
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:23,480
up to just before the uh,
the the Wilder upset loss, and that's

425
00:26:23,559 --> 00:26:30,079
Daniel Dubois victorious. Oh Bevol just
before that, so let's go chronologically,

426
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:34,440
so Bevol wins. My takeaway there, he was impressive like we thought.

427
00:26:34,519 --> 00:26:37,599
I thought he would get the ko
Rayphael all over it as usual with the

428
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:45,079
decision on the bet Us show,
you cashed on that. The the one

429
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,039
thing that I took away from that
fight. He's impressive, yes, handspeed,

430
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:52,640
yes, tactically yes, but you
have to begin to wonder when they

431
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,880
kept emphasizing he hasn't knocked anybody out
in six calendar years and the different fights,

432
00:26:57,079 --> 00:27:00,400
you have to wonder if he fights
better be at if if if down

433
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,039
the road, does he have a
big enough punch because we know better beef

434
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:08,039
can punch. So what did you
make of Bevoll's performance? And then the

435
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:12,759
natural next level question, how does
he do if the if the big punch

436
00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:17,680
doesn't seem to be there. I
have never been obsessed with somehow a detriment

437
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,119
if you can't get a knockout,
because to me, if you we had

438
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:23,279
to win, he looked brilliant.
He won every single round he knocked him

439
00:27:23,319 --> 00:27:26,920
down. He was within probably literally
one punch of knocking him out in the

440
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,720
twelfth round. And it was only
because Lindon Artis pull it for that late

441
00:27:30,839 --> 00:27:34,039
ko as the beef and I did
not get it, and you got the

442
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,880
de lind And Arthur was game.
You know, he was able to throw

443
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,680
an uppercut and and the ref saw
him throw him back, and you know

444
00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:42,920
he looked over at the ref and
I think he said something, so the

445
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,960
ref knew he was there even though
he was getting hit, and so he

446
00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:48,079
was able to stay in the fight
for those last you know, uh,

447
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,519
you know, half a minute or
whatever the fight or a minute of the

448
00:27:51,519 --> 00:27:53,680
fight. Uh, you know,
Lyndon Arthur was he was trying, but

449
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,319
he was just outclassed. As I
said beforehand, when I was talking about

450
00:27:56,319 --> 00:28:00,160
this fight in the preview, lynd
And Arthur is a good light heavyweight.

451
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,759
Dimitri bu Bull is the elite of
the light heavyweight. He's a pound for

452
00:28:04,839 --> 00:28:08,079
pound caliber fighter. Maybe down the
road he's someday maybe a Hall of Famer

453
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,599
if he keeps going. This was
his eleventh title defense, and he's got

454
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,039
some very good wins on his records
through the years, including Canelo Alvas,

455
00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:19,160
including Joe Smith, including Sullivan,
morera you know Tonight's shut out against Lyndon

456
00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:22,839
Arthur. He's beaten, you know, quite a number of good fighters.

457
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,680
I mean he's and he's not really
been you know, he shout out Gilberto

458
00:28:26,759 --> 00:28:30,319
Ramirez. He has not really been
challenged in most of those fights. He

459
00:28:30,319 --> 00:28:33,319
had like a little bit of an
off night back against Craig Richards, a

460
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,039
fight where even though it was maybe
his best night, he's still clearly was

461
00:28:36,039 --> 00:28:37,359
the winner. He's got to win
over Joe Smith, He's got to win

462
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,359
over Pascal. I mean, the
guy's beaten a lot of good names through

463
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,400
the years out so I don't trip
on whether he's got knockcots or not.

464
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,680
So how he matched up with better
be a better be of as a beast.

465
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,000
He's a great animal like puncher.
He's got all the knockouts you could

466
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,599
ask for every win in his career
undefeated. He's the only champion today that

467
00:28:53,599 --> 00:28:59,880
that has a one hundred knockout percentage. But Dmitri Bibull has got excellent defense

468
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,160
and good speed and a good job
and he can you know, he can.

469
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,119
He can. He can fight going
backwards, he can come forward,

470
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,400
he can you know, hit with
both hands. So has he that has

471
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,880
a style, an interesting style.
Mest that he hasn't had a knockout for

472
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,400
a while. You know, I
don't really care about that because frankly,

473
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:15,920
he could have easily had a knockout
tonight if the ref you know, had

474
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,359
decided to pull it there in round
twelve. So I don't I don't really

475
00:29:19,359 --> 00:29:22,519
worry about that now, as they
were talking about after the fight, and

476
00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:25,359
this is obviously something they have to
take into account, the same exact shit

477
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:30,160
that happened with with the Deontay Wilder
and Anthony Joshua. So Bivel has done

478
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,200
his part and won his fight.
Now their fight's not made, but the

479
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:34,279
Saudis are interested, and you know
that they can put up the money that

480
00:29:34,319 --> 00:29:37,880
they wanted. There's no guarantee the
Better be Of beats Callum Smith. Callum

481
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:42,200
Smith's a quality fighter, a former
champion at super middleweight, one loss against

482
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:48,000
against Canelo Alvarez. Uh And now
he's taken on this mandatory fight against Better

483
00:29:48,039 --> 00:29:49,559
BV. And if he wins,
you know, maybe we'll see that fight

484
00:29:49,599 --> 00:29:52,759
for the undisputed title. If he
doesn't, hopefully we'll get the Better be

485
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,480
a fight. It's not quite as
cataclysmic, let's say, is what happened

486
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,519
with Wild. They're losing because they
can't just go ahead and make Joshua versus

487
00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:03,200
Parker because nobody really gives a damn
about that fight. In terms of as

488
00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:08,079
much as we've invested in, hopefully
to see Uh Better be Of against Dmitri

489
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,319
Beevoll, it wouldn't be quite the
same as Calm Smith, but it would

490
00:30:11,319 --> 00:30:15,519
still be for the undisputed title.
Theoretically, it's still a quality guy.

491
00:30:15,559 --> 00:30:18,000
He just wouldn't have had as much
build up. Hopefully, you know,

492
00:30:18,519 --> 00:30:19,599
you know, we'll see a good
fight between Smith and Better Bev, and

493
00:30:19,599 --> 00:30:22,160
they'll make the mass between him and
the Winter. But either way it's fine.

494
00:30:22,319 --> 00:30:27,200
And look Beevill's signature win over Canelo
completely out boxed team took his best

495
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,680
punches. I think that, you
know, the the concern I still have

496
00:30:30,839 --> 00:30:34,119
is can he can he keep better
Be off of him? If better Be

497
00:30:34,319 --> 00:30:40,559
throwing the big punches, can he
win? They intrigue guy that throws a

498
00:30:40,599 --> 00:30:44,799
million punches. He's economically with his
shots, and and Dmitri Buble's got superb

499
00:30:44,839 --> 00:30:48,759
defense. I'm not saying it's intrigued. To me, It's a winnable fight

500
00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:52,000
for both guys because better Be is
a good enough boxer, and he has

501
00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:56,000
that incredible punching power. And even
though Bevall is shown that he's not like

502
00:30:56,039 --> 00:30:59,920
a devastating puncher, even though he's
got some knockouts, he's a supreme boxer.

503
00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:02,680
He can do everything in either direction. He's very snappy with his jab,

504
00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:04,319
he's got quick hands, and uh, you know he does a run,

505
00:31:04,359 --> 00:31:07,240
he'll fight. And better Ba is
getting older. I mean he's in

506
00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:11,160
his late thirties at this point.
And know he's he's been bloodied in a

507
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,079
couple of fights. I mean,
he's not invincible in my mind. Uh

508
00:31:14,119 --> 00:31:17,039
you know, he hasn't had Uh
he's had some good wins, but he

509
00:31:17,079 --> 00:31:21,079
hasn't consistently fought like the elite elite
guys. Tom Smith's probably gonna be one

510
00:31:21,079 --> 00:31:23,599
of the best opponents of his career. He ask me, all right,

511
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,680
okay, so it's just so tough
to keep track of everything and what went

512
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:34,279
on over that is the Dubois victory
over Let's just let's pull this turn neck.

513
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,480
Look on the rundown. I'm with
in order. I'm with you.

514
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:42,039
I got you on the rundown.
So Dubois, which happened somewhere after lunch

515
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:48,039
Eastern time, defeated Jarrell. Speaking
of lunch, Jirell Hippo Miller. We'll

516
00:31:48,039 --> 00:31:52,119
call him hippo instead of big baby
because he looked like a hippo with the

517
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:59,680
trunks pulled up almost there. But
look, I mean he had the trunks

518
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,680
pulled up almost to the nipples,
I mean all the way up. It

519
00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:07,960
was bad. It was bad.
And so let me further say that for

520
00:32:07,119 --> 00:32:10,440
all the blatherer, because you love
the adjectives, for all the blather,

521
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,160
he looked like an out of shape, three hundred and thirty pound fighter,

522
00:32:15,319 --> 00:32:19,839
like in the third round of the
fight, swinging wildly, mouth wide open,

523
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,839
out of shape, and Duboi is
not going to make anybody, forget

524
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:28,960
Muhammad Ali or Mike Tyson or Lennox
Lewis, but he was very workmanlike with

525
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,039
the jab work in the body.
The only question was gonna be can Miller

526
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:37,599
land a lucky punch? That was
really the only intrigue in the last three

527
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,079
or four rounds. He was a
punching bag. I mean, it was

528
00:32:39,119 --> 00:32:45,039
target practice. I thought, there's
my thoughts, go ahead. I thought

529
00:32:45,079 --> 00:32:47,640
the boll looked absolutely horrible for like
the first two rounds. He looked tired

530
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:52,319
actually after the second round and Miller
was coming forward and even though again he

531
00:32:52,359 --> 00:32:53,599
wasn't in the greatest shape, I
grant you, he was throwing a lot

532
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:59,519
of punches. They were moving a
Dubois at times, and he eventually he

533
00:32:59,559 --> 00:33:01,160
slowed down and was able to I
felt like in the second half he kind

534
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,880
of got a second wind. Actually, he started to get a little more

535
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,000
confident, a little more comfortable,
and was able to fend off some of

536
00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:12,400
those brief charges that Miller was making. And you got to give him credit.

537
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,160
Look for as much as we ripped
on Dubois for quitting against Usik and

538
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:21,480
for you know, the complaints about
the low blow that that wasn't a low

539
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,480
blow or I'm sorry that was a
low blow, but he thought it was

540
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,279
an authentic punch. That that you
know, he can hang his hat on.

541
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,119
This is now the next fight.
And for all the grief he got

542
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,279
for that fight, you got to
give him the credit of this fight.

543
00:33:32,519 --> 00:33:35,839
You know, as he said in
his postfight interview, you know, I

544
00:33:35,839 --> 00:33:37,680
had approved to myself I was a
real fighter, and I'm glad I could

545
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,920
show the heart and you know,
he had to get through some mental things

546
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,319
and all that, and he did
that. Now, on the one hand,

547
00:33:43,359 --> 00:33:45,799
it was against Jerrel Miller, not
against an USIC caliber fighter. But

548
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,200
on the other end, that's still
important because now he proved to himself he

549
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,559
can do it. And he made
a good fight. He still got good

550
00:33:51,599 --> 00:33:53,359
punching power, he still was in
great shape, it looked like, and

551
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:58,559
you know, he's now put himself
in position in a heavyweight division where there's

552
00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:00,559
going to be some opportunities he would
think with some of the other contenders to

553
00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:05,599
get himself into another big fight.
And for Miller, uh, you know,

554
00:34:06,039 --> 00:34:09,079
what, what are you gonna say? He got his was he talks

555
00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:13,079
so much shit. He's a very
unlikable guy. In that sense. But

556
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:15,760
you know, he was all love
afterwards. You know that's fine. And

557
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,199
then Duban and him were cool afterwards, like you know, respect. I

558
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:22,320
mean they they fought a good fight. I mean it was an enjoyable fight

559
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,199
to watch as a fan. Uh. It's not like Miller is going to

560
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,239
retire. He's got one loss,
you know, hopefully for his sake,

561
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,159
he can you know, get in
better shape and uh and be more serious

562
00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:34,480
in terms of uh of of the
way he goes about conducting himself in a

563
00:34:34,519 --> 00:34:38,039
fight week. But it was a
goodness. It's a tremendous victory for Dubah,

564
00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:40,480
not because of the opponent, but
because of everything that he's got with

565
00:34:40,519 --> 00:34:44,840
in his own mind and and the
grief he got for what happened with Usik.

566
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,280
Uh makes you want to see him
again and and uh, I've always

567
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,639
found it to be a likable guy, other than the way he acted in

568
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:53,679
the immediate post fight of the Yusig
fight. So big win, good for

569
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,639
him. I mean, he's back, and it's always fun to have another

570
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:59,320
big punch and heavyweight on the scene. And I got that one Dubois on

571
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:00,559
the Moneylet I think a whole lot
else but I got that one on the

572
00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:04,639
money line, and who knows what
his future is. But he's still young.

573
00:35:04,639 --> 00:35:07,440
Also, teach, he's only twenty
six years old, so he's got

574
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,840
maybe several years of good fights out
there. And it needs to be said,

575
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,800
because we spew facts, this is
why you don't come in fifty or

576
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:19,000
sixty pounds overweight. I mean,
he was legitimately at least fifty pounds overweight,

577
00:35:19,039 --> 00:35:22,679
and he looked like it. Jarrell
Miller absolutely looked like it. I'm

578
00:35:22,679 --> 00:35:24,480
not making excuses for him, but
he actually fought at the exact same weight

579
00:35:24,519 --> 00:35:28,039
that he fought his last fight at
it, so it wasn't like he was

580
00:35:28,199 --> 00:35:31,159
one weight and blew up. I
understand that's still fifty or sixty pounds.

581
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,320
I mean, when you contemplate if
he loses fifty pounds, he's still to

582
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:40,199
eighty. He just it was bad, but he has been again, I'm

583
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:46,079
just seeing the facts. He's been
three hundred plus in the same ballpark since

584
00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:50,760
twenty seventeen. It's not like this
is something like new when he just didn't

585
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,280
take it seriously, he put on
fifty pounds right, this is where he's

586
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:57,239
been fighting for quite a while.
Again, it's maybe not the ideal situation

587
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,880
for him, but he's also I
mean, he just had nothing. He

588
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,800
had nothing because he's not in shape
and he's got to get in better shape.

589
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,400
But I don't think it's gonna matter. I don't, I don't know,

590
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,599
I don't. I don't agree with
you when you say he had nothing.

591
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:12,079
He landed a lot of good punches, look at don't. I don't

592
00:36:12,119 --> 00:36:15,039
think so the guy. The guy
did not. The guy did not put

593
00:36:15,079 --> 00:36:16,840
two punches together in any round of
the fight. In a combination. He

594
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:21,559
would occasionally land something. His mouth
was wide open in the third round.

595
00:36:21,559 --> 00:36:25,039
He was swinging wildly because he was
out of shape. And can I tell

596
00:36:25,039 --> 00:36:30,000
you, Dobois took advantage of it. All right, So there's that on

597
00:36:30,039 --> 00:36:32,960
the recap. What else we've covered
just about everything else? Ji Opataiah one

598
00:36:34,039 --> 00:36:40,280
punch bomb not we got we got
Opataia as well. What else? What

599
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:45,559
else stood out here off of this
one? If we're gonna go into order,

600
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:46,880
like we said, we're gonna go
with Oh, you want to talk

601
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:51,000
about my boy, don't you?
Because you can't coping him up as my

602
00:36:51,039 --> 00:36:57,239
boy? A cop gets the fourth
round t KO off of Magma Dov,

603
00:36:58,599 --> 00:37:00,840
which again was an impressive perform for
him. Tell me more about what you

604
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:05,679
saw and how does this make kaba
Yell somehow, who's been in the top

605
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,800
ten by the way of the WBC. Does this make him somehow relevant?

606
00:37:09,519 --> 00:37:14,960
He's been relevant. He's the undefeated
European champion. He's been in the mix

607
00:37:15,039 --> 00:37:17,400
for fights with lots of big names
and those fights did not happen, not

608
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:22,000
because of him, but for other
reasons. He's been attached to a potential

609
00:37:22,039 --> 00:37:25,559
fight with Tyson Fury in the past
and others in this weight class. He

610
00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:30,679
has experience, he has as Anthony
Joshua said, He's sparred with Joshua,

611
00:37:30,679 --> 00:37:32,960
he sparred with everybody. He's a
solid heavyweight. He's now twenty four and

612
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:37,280
oh with sixteen knockouts, and he's
the European champion, which is maybe not

613
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,920
the world champion, but it's still
a notable title. And he just defeated

614
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:44,199
a guy who was the favorite,
the big puncher in Makmanduf, who was

615
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,880
eighteen and oh with seventeen knockouts going
into the fight, but a bit older,

616
00:37:47,159 --> 00:37:51,599
and Kabayell picked him apart. He
was much faster. He devastated into

617
00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:53,559
the body. He landed some very
solid head shots even if he was a

618
00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:57,760
smaller guy kaby Yell, and this
was a big time victory for him.

619
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,159
And so Kabyell is going to find
himself, particularly if these cards and Saudi

620
00:38:01,199 --> 00:38:05,280
were gonna be continue to take place
with lots of heavyweight fights, that Kabyll

621
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,679
is gonna be right there. I
mean, mak Mandouf was on the on

622
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,840
the on the uh Tyson Fury Naganu
undercard. They brought him right back after

623
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,639
a good performance, and I see
no reason why they wouldn't want to have

624
00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:16,320
kaby All back in a solid matchup. He can fight pick out. You

625
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,760
know, Frank Sanchez will talk about
it for a minute. He won on

626
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,400
the under card. They can make
Frank Sanchez against Kabyo. They're gonna mix

627
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,119
and match these guys and they let
the cream rise to the top. But

628
00:38:24,159 --> 00:38:29,639
I thought Kabyll uh he dropped him
three times in the in the third round

629
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,840
knockout win, and it was a
very very good victory for him. And

630
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,920
it was and also I mean it
was somewhat one sided, I guess,

631
00:38:36,119 --> 00:38:38,079
but it was definitely entertainment watching that
fight. I mean, they were in

632
00:38:38,119 --> 00:38:42,000
there just doing their thing, and
uh, uh you know, he he

633
00:38:42,119 --> 00:38:45,800
landed tremendous body punches, a couple
of good head shots and uh he basically

634
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:50,079
chopped down the much bigger guy knockout
after knockout early on in this fight.

635
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,360
So, as we mentioned, Opataiah
and we well covered this on the preview

636
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:59,320
podcast not defending the IBF title because
he vacated, like you explained, uh

637
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:04,559
in their in their crazy chaotic reasoning
that I still don't understand, like forty

638
00:39:04,599 --> 00:39:07,400
eight hours after we did the preview
podcast. So anyway, he did what

639
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,679
he was supposed to do, a
booming left the knockout of the night on

640
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:14,719
Ellis Zoro. So there's not a
lot to go over. Besides, that's

641
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,679
that's a big time shot. So
what what do you think is is he

642
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:22,039
gonna fight Bradest anyway now coming up
whenever Bradest is healthy like we documented,

643
00:39:22,119 --> 00:39:24,119
or what do you think is next? That's an interesting question because Braidis is

644
00:39:24,119 --> 00:39:27,559
still injured and not available and he's
not going to be back until the early

645
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:30,440
part of next year, and by
the time he comes back, it may

646
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:34,840
be that Opataia will still be ranked. I don't know how the IBF is

647
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,480
going to handle him vacating the title. If they were smart, what they

648
00:39:37,519 --> 00:39:44,280
should do is order Braida's versus versus
Opati for the vacant title, and they

649
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:45,199
could do it again. You know, it's still in a tractive fight.

650
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:50,199
Their first fight was tremendous. You
know. Opataiah is with the Saudi's for

651
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,000
the time being. He's gonna be
on some of these upcoming shows. That

652
00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:55,800
left hand that he knocked out Zora
with was a fantastic punch, you know,

653
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,480
and like he was talking about,
like Eddie Hern was talking about,

654
00:40:00,199 --> 00:40:02,159
at some point, Opatai is going
to do what every top cruiserweight does.

655
00:40:02,159 --> 00:40:05,960
He's gonna go up to heavyweight.
But for the time being, he's only

656
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,079
twenty six. He's got, you
know, probably a few a few good

657
00:40:08,119 --> 00:40:10,920
more fights left in the cruiserweight division, and he's got a chance to make

658
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,719
a name and do something in that
weight class. And there's no reason why

659
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,239
he can't get into another title fight, perhaps you know, strive towards undisputed.

660
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,559
That's obviously more complicated because he's gotta
have more fights, But the bottom

661
00:40:21,559 --> 00:40:23,159
line is this, he's the number
one cruiserweight in the world. He's the

662
00:40:23,199 --> 00:40:28,000
lineal champion. He's sored a spectacular
one punch knockout against Zora, who was

663
00:40:28,039 --> 00:40:31,480
undefeated going into the fight. And
he's got nothing I think, but uh,

664
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:37,079
you know, rainbows and sunshine coming
up on his road over the next

665
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:38,440
you know, probably a few fights
are a couple of years and a couple

666
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:43,079
of impressive ko wins off a nasty
broken jaw. You love it when I

667
00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:46,239
go medical terminology. He had the
bilateral fracture of the jaw, meaning he

668
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:51,320
broke it on both sides in that
greatest fight. He's now come back to

669
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,599
win two fights after that impressively,
and we'll see what the future holds.

670
00:40:54,639 --> 00:40:59,119
He's exciting and he is a big
puncher, and he's yes spoken, and

671
00:40:59,119 --> 00:41:01,480
he's got some charisma. I mean, I'd like watching Opatia fight. And

672
00:41:01,519 --> 00:41:05,960
by the way, the continent of
Australia is paying attention to because that's where

673
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,599
he's I mean, in the in
the down underworld. He's a big deal,

674
00:41:08,679 --> 00:41:13,840
just like Joseph Parker's a big deal. So shout out to our brethren

675
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,119
and sistern down under that care also
about what al Patia's up to. Athough

676
00:41:17,159 --> 00:41:21,679
Parker's from New Zealand, you know
Parker New Zealand. Yes, Opataiah there

677
00:41:21,679 --> 00:41:24,000
in austral right. So Philip Pergovich, we talked about got the win.

678
00:41:24,119 --> 00:41:28,079
It's a first round knockout. We
talked about his future. I don't know

679
00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:30,920
if anything else needs to be said
on that. Well, just the fact

680
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:32,880
that the fact that they were able
to get Mark the more approved as an

681
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:37,039
opponent that just you know, I
know was a placeholder because he wasn't going

682
00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:42,159
to risk his mandatory position, you
know, against anybody serious. But that

683
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,880
was a freaking joke. Def I
was over in the first like thirty seconds.

684
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,440
He turned his back and you know, it's all she wrote. So

685
00:41:46,599 --> 00:41:51,960
is there not a valid question?
Do we really know what we have with

686
00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:55,440
Hergovic right now? Based on the
last I mean, he struggled against Jiang

687
00:41:57,079 --> 00:42:01,440
in August of twenty two on the
undercard of the rematch of Usik and Joshua.

688
00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:08,559
He's one now two or three since
then. So but it's still a

689
00:42:08,599 --> 00:42:12,159
good win against his because we've seen
what Jang has done. So I thought

690
00:42:12,159 --> 00:42:15,079
he I actually thought he eked out
that fight against saying it was a close

691
00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:17,039
fight, fair enough, but look, he's an Olympic medalist. He has

692
00:42:17,079 --> 00:42:21,679
a vast amateur background. He's a
you know, he's a good sized heavyweight.

693
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,239
He's got a hulking physique, right
right. Sure, you know,

694
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:27,320
he come off a nice win against
Denzy McKean, who he knocked out late

695
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,639
in that fight, and a good
knockout. I mean, look, do

696
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,159
I Saya Kergovich is gonna be a
dominating heavyweight champion being the Hall of Fame

697
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,960
someday? You know, right now, I'd probably say maybe, probably not,

698
00:42:37,639 --> 00:42:39,320
but for what's around today, he's
one of the best heavyweights in the

699
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,800
world and he's ready to prove it
against the best guy. So he's gonna

700
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,400
fight for the vacant title. And
uh, this fight was all about what

701
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,719
it was. We have a three
fight deal with the Saudi's. We're going

702
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,559
to keep you busy, give you
a you know, an easier fight,

703
00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:53,679
protect that position, and we're gonna
hopefully you get new into a big fight.

704
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:58,559
And now it may be an Anthony
Joshua fight. And Frank Sanchez did

705
00:42:58,599 --> 00:43:00,280
win over Junior five. You did
referenced that just a little while ago.

706
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,760
I know we're going down it's an
eight fight pay per view we're giving.

707
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:07,840
That was the first fight of the
show and the first which happened last Tuesday,

708
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:09,519
right as we're taping the podcast.
The first fight of that show,

709
00:43:09,679 --> 00:43:12,840
I think, no, it was
actually the same day. It was earlier

710
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,280
today, but it just seems like
it was a while ago that that took

711
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:19,559
place. The first six rounds of
that fight absolutely sucked. Now I put

712
00:43:19,559 --> 00:43:22,119
it to you this way. I
was having a late breakfast with a couple

713
00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:23,840
of friends of mine. We were
able to get together on Saturday morning,

714
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:28,880
and literally as we were paying the
bill, I'm looking and the Sanchez fight

715
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,199
was in the ring, and I'm
now talking to you on the same day,

716
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:36,519
like about eleven or twelve hours later, and the pay per view just

717
00:43:36,559 --> 00:43:38,840
got over a little while ago.
Sanchez did start it at brunch for me

718
00:43:39,159 --> 00:43:42,920
with the win over Junior five.
Continue, Okay, nobody cares about your

719
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,920
brunch, Okay, just saying it
was that long ago. Like I was

720
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,159
saying, the first five six rounds
of the fight were absolutely horrible. He

721
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,960
was like, one guy wouldn't,
one guy couldn't. And then finally it

722
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:57,960
perked up in round seven when Frank
Sanchez finally started to throw some punches and

723
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,159
Junior five, who is a guy
that's big and strong, but just does

724
00:44:01,199 --> 00:44:05,400
not have the best punch resistance in
the world. To put it kindly,

725
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,679
Uh got dropped and dropped and then
dropped, and then the fight was over.

726
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:13,679
I mean he was bloodied up and
you know that That's all she wrote.

727
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,599
I mean it was a pretty basically, it was like as soon as

728
00:44:15,639 --> 00:44:19,360
Frank decided to start fighting, he
ended the fight. He could have probably

729
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,599
done that two or three rounds earlier. And uh, you know, if

730
00:44:22,599 --> 00:44:23,800
I beat the count. To his
credit, short heart, I'm not knocking

731
00:44:24,159 --> 00:44:27,400
Junior five, who, by the
way, is a rather nice guy with

732
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,679
an interesting background. I actually got
a chance to meet him a couple of

733
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,599
times and you know, hang out. I had dinner with his team one

734
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,480
time years ago when we were I
forget even where we were. Maybe were

735
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,239
in Burningham. I think he fought
on one of Deonta's undercards or something like

736
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:42,000
that. You know, so nice
guy, Uh showed heart, got up

737
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,039
beat the count. You know,
took some big, big shots. But

738
00:44:44,159 --> 00:44:46,199
look, Frank Sanchez is a is
a very good boxer. When he decides

739
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:50,360
to fight and not just dick around, you know, he is going to

740
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,519
be a guy that can give anybody
a problem. I think so whether it's

741
00:44:53,599 --> 00:44:57,440
him against you know, all these
other guys on the card, Uh,

742
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,480
those are not U easy fights for
Frank or for the other guy, is

743
00:45:01,519 --> 00:45:04,880
my point. And I think that
in the future we're going to see when

744
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,039
if these fights like this continue to
take place in Saudi Arabia and they put

745
00:45:07,079 --> 00:45:10,800
on various heavyweight fights, we'll see
some of these different fighters that we see

746
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,519
in separate fights suddenly matching up with
each other, mixing and matching like is

747
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:15,599
you know, go back and look
at the way Don King used to do

748
00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:17,960
that back in the day. There
was always he had a ton of heavywets

749
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,920
and they would always end up fighting
each other at one time or another.

750
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,360
All right, one more item before
we get off of the pay per view

751
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:29,800
was did I see you on social
media going back and forth and Eddie Hearn

752
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:34,599
joining in on whether or not the
two fight deal was done, And as

753
00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:37,719
it turns out, in the ring
after the fight, Anthony Joshua and Eddie

754
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,360
Hearn are saying it, and at
the press conference after the fight, Eddie

755
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,239
Hern is saying it, Yes,
there was. I mean, what a

756
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,800
surprise there was a two fight deal. You always like to distinguish between agreed

757
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:51,679
upon sign they were going to fight
and now it's all it's now up in

758
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:52,559
smoke. But I did see that, and I wanted to give you a

759
00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:55,679
chance. If you had anything else
to add, since you're never one to

760
00:45:55,719 --> 00:46:00,679
hold back here on the recap podcast, anything else, I'll just say that

761
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:05,920
I reported a few days ago before
this fight card took place that Joshua and

762
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,280
Wilder had agreed to all terms,
not just the money, which had been

763
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:13,719
previously reported, but that said that
the deal was done. I reported that

764
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:19,440
all the terms were agreed to for
a two fight deal starting on March ninth,

765
00:46:19,639 --> 00:46:22,679
second fight later in twenty twenty four, and that I wrote also that

766
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:27,079
it was expected that it would be
signed before they entered the ring for their

767
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,360
fights on Saturday, and in various
YouTube interviews that Eddie was doing with some

768
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:36,400
of my YouTube friends that were in
read for this event. Was obviously when

769
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,880
that story came out, it was
picked up by everybody, and Eddie continuously

770
00:46:40,519 --> 00:46:45,079
said ra if he didn't say me
by name, but said no where You're

771
00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:46,559
not right. You know that it's
not done. It's not a done deal.

772
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:52,280
He responded like that on Twitter.
I felt like he was calling in

773
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,719
to question the veracity of my reporting, which I don't appreciate. I've got

774
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:59,400
almost thirty years in the business as
a reporter, almost twenty five years on

775
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,199
boxing, and I know what the
fuck I'm doing. And when I write

776
00:47:02,199 --> 00:47:07,480
that a deal was agreed to,
I don't put my reputation out like that

777
00:47:07,559 --> 00:47:09,559
unless I have it dead to rights, and I had it dead to rights.

778
00:47:09,679 --> 00:47:15,400
You were off the podcast I got
this on Lockdown. Was your phrase

779
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:20,320
to me that you knew about what
was going on, And so now that

780
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,920
has come to fruition that that's exactly
what was already set up before those guys

781
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:28,679
got in the ring Saturday night.
So when Eddie responded on his social media

782
00:47:29,159 --> 00:47:32,880
that it was not true and that
it wasn't done and somebody had tagged me

783
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:37,719
in that, I responded, with
all due respect, Eddie's not being truthful

784
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,480
here, to which Eddie then had
his say. So I didn't take it

785
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:45,320
further that I'm not going to get
into a pissing contest with him on Twitter

786
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:49,440
or x but the facts of the
facts. He stood in the ring after

787
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,840
the fight with Mannix and just cavalierly
said, you know, we had the

788
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,519
Wilder fight sign, Well, was
it sign or not signed? Because it's

789
00:47:54,559 --> 00:47:58,199
only been like twenty four hours since
that tweet, and I said they were

790
00:47:58,199 --> 00:48:01,440
going to sign before they entered the
ring, suddenly negotiate the rest of the

791
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:07,599
details on the morning of the fight. So the bottom line is, every

792
00:48:07,639 --> 00:48:09,880
time I write a story like that, or any reporter for that matter,

793
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,880
you put your reputation on the line. That's right, and there's always the

794
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:15,519
chance you might be wrong. But
I'll tell you what, in my now

795
00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:22,519
almost twenty four years of doing boxing, I'm probably batting like over ninety percent

796
00:48:22,599 --> 00:48:25,519
with my information. And I had
this one, as you said on Lockdown,

797
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:30,480
on fucking Lockdown. There you go, all right, a couple of

798
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,519
news items, and then we are
done here on this Christmas weekend with the

799
00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:38,440
podcast out early. So we did
talk at length on the bet Us Show.

800
00:48:38,519 --> 00:48:43,800
There's a nice segment that's right there
from the bet Us Boxing Show on

801
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,760
their platforms on their YouTube about the
Naoia in a way Martin to Polis fight.

802
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:52,840
They can go hear us at length. That fight will be Tuesday morning,

803
00:48:53,079 --> 00:48:57,519
US time, early Tuesday morning.
You were explaining that, and it

804
00:48:57,599 --> 00:49:02,320
is for undisputed at one hundred and
twenty two coming up, so we're interested

805
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:06,880
with everything going on with the rest
of the weekend, get ready for that

806
00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:12,159
because right away after Christmas, on
Tuesday morning early, they're gonna be in

807
00:49:12,199 --> 00:49:15,719
the ring before we're back on this
podcast. So go ahead, yeah,

808
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,039
I mean, according to the I
mean, it's a full card. There's

809
00:49:19,079 --> 00:49:22,239
like four or five fights that they'll
show on the on the at least in

810
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,719
the United States anyway, you know, it's on ESPN plush and according to

811
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:30,559
the folks at top rank. While
the pay the the ESPN Plus card begins

812
00:49:30,599 --> 00:49:34,960
at three o'clock in the morning Eastern
time, midnight Pacific. The main event

813
00:49:35,039 --> 00:49:38,480
between in a way and to Paulas
is supposed to be approximately five point fifty

814
00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:44,599
five am for the ringwalks Eastern time, so plan accordingly. But this is,

815
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:46,400
uh, you know, a day
after Christmas fight is not the most

816
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:50,639
common thing, let's say, at
least in Japan. Most of the bigger

817
00:49:50,639 --> 00:49:52,599
fights I have at the end of
the year are usually around the New Year's

818
00:49:52,599 --> 00:49:55,440
weekend the following week, not necessarily
on Christmas or you know, day after

819
00:49:55,519 --> 00:49:59,079
Christmas. But this is a very
big fight. I mean, in a

820
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:00,239
way, if he wins, He's
got very good chance, in the eyes

821
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,679
of many, to be the fighter
of the year. I've beaten Stephen Fulton

822
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,400
having moved up from bannawaight to win
the two belts at junior featherweight. If

823
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,000
he beats to Pauls, will win
the other two. If the Paulas somehow

824
00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:13,320
scores the massive upset, I mean, that's a I think that honestly,

825
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,159
that goes down as one of the
biggest upsets in boxing history if you ask

826
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:20,599
me. But right now, in
a way, I think most people view

827
00:50:20,639 --> 00:50:22,440
him as at worst number two on
the pound for poundless. It really comes

828
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,480
down to, you know, Crawford
or in a way one A, one

829
00:50:25,519 --> 00:50:30,199
B and then it's sort of everybody
else after them, and he's got an

830
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,920
opportunity to do, you know,
something impressive. Crawford is the only boxer

831
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:37,920
to be a two division undisputed champion
in the four belt ear he did it

832
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:39,360
at junior welter eight, you know
several years ago. He did it of

833
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:45,199
course in welterweight division when he defeated
Erol Spence this year and now you have,

834
00:50:45,639 --> 00:50:47,599
in a way, having come from
being the undisputed bannonmweight champion which he

835
00:50:47,599 --> 00:50:52,039
accomplished in h at the end of
last year. One year later, in

836
00:50:52,119 --> 00:50:57,400
two fights, become the undisputed champion
in the junior featherweight division. So that's

837
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,719
a very big deal. And on
top of that, when you look at

838
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:04,440
the higher history of the junior featherweight
division there Okay, we talked about,

839
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,480
Okay, the four belt era and
all that, there's never been a three

840
00:51:07,519 --> 00:51:10,719
belt on dispeeded champion in the junior
featherweight division. And I don't even think

841
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,960
maybe I'm wrong about this. I
don't think there's ever been a two belt

842
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,480
un discoutered champion in the junior featherweight
division. So he's that's amazing. That's

843
00:51:17,519 --> 00:51:23,320
amazing, there's been there wasn't a
WBA WBC champion somewhere in the nineties or

844
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:27,400
the two thousands together in that division. Is amazing. So I'd have to

845
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,199
double check that. I'm pretty sure
that that that's the case, though there's

846
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:34,079
been certainly fighters in the weight classes
that have they considered like number one.

847
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,960
Well, or there was a time
when there was only one title, right

848
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:42,079
because the IBF was created in the
mid eighties, so that would be the

849
00:51:42,119 --> 00:51:45,239
three belt era. Sure, So
so you're talking about like late you know,

850
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:51,360
seventies, late seventies, eighties for
this division and however long that division's

851
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:55,000
been there. That's amazing and it's
about to happen. And good good,

852
00:51:55,239 --> 00:52:00,559
good luck Martin Topoulos, and good
luck on sticking in there for more than

853
00:52:00,599 --> 00:52:04,559
two or three rounds if he can
with the monster. Uh, let's see,

854
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,400
I'll tell you a little bit in
terms of the polus. I mean,

855
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:09,800
he's not a bum fighter. Okay, he's solid. He's been a

856
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:14,159
champion in the bandon weight division.
He scored a big upset win on a

857
00:52:14,199 --> 00:52:17,320
split decision to take the two belts
he won the IBF and the WBA back

858
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:22,199
in April when he scored that decision
over mj Akmadaya, who, by the

859
00:52:22,199 --> 00:52:25,559
way, in an eliminator that took
place on the undercard of what was it

860
00:52:25,559 --> 00:52:30,199
the Devin Haney Regis program card.
He looked, he looked very good in

861
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,679
winning the fight. Uh. You
know, when he when he's able to

862
00:52:32,679 --> 00:52:36,639
come back, you know, from
that loss and put himself in position.

863
00:52:36,679 --> 00:52:39,480
You know, he totally wrecked Kevin
Gonzales in that fight that was in fact

864
00:52:39,519 --> 00:52:44,480
the undercard of No No, it
was the it wasn't the the Regius program

865
00:52:44,559 --> 00:52:46,480
card. It was the fight card
that was last week with Sonny Edwards and

866
00:52:47,519 --> 00:52:52,639
in Bam Rodriguez. In any event, so MJ bounced back. But you

867
00:52:52,639 --> 00:52:55,480
know he lost the lottery ticket because
he got upset in this fight by the

868
00:52:55,559 --> 00:52:58,800
pass. So Tapaalais is no joke. I mean. The one thing though

869
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,760
that gives me pause is his best
days were probably at bandam weight and he's

870
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:06,519
got three three knockout losses and in
a way is very simply one of the

871
00:53:06,519 --> 00:53:07,840
best or two knockout losses, I
should say, in his three fights.

872
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:09,599
But in a way, he is
one of the best punchers in boxing.

873
00:53:09,639 --> 00:53:12,639
You can hurt you to the head
and he's probably the best body puncher in

874
00:53:12,639 --> 00:53:15,639
the sport. So he won the
lottery ticket and I'm sure he'll give it

875
00:53:15,639 --> 00:53:19,440
a good go. And like I
said, if he wins, massive,

876
00:53:19,679 --> 00:53:22,960
massive upset. But I think we're
about to see the coronation of in a

877
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:28,000
way as a two division on disputed
champion. You know, it's just an

878
00:53:28,039 --> 00:53:30,719
he's already a lock for the Hall
of Fame. That's just another great line

879
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,000
item on that resume. And you
know what, I don't know if it'll

880
00:53:34,039 --> 00:53:37,079
be in the next fight. But
I suspect sometime within the next you know,

881
00:53:37,199 --> 00:53:39,079
two or three fights, and you'll
see in a a rise to featherweight

882
00:53:39,119 --> 00:53:42,760
to go after some more builts.
And who's stopping this guy in the short

883
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,000
term while he's in his prime.
That's the real question. Moving forward twenty

884
00:53:45,039 --> 00:53:47,960
twenty four to twenty twenty five,
that's a great debate for later on.

885
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,960
Let's see what happens Tuesday. So
you just say one thing about in a

886
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:53,400
way you talk about in his prime. I mean he is thirty years old,

887
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,960
which is kind of on the older
and older end of things for a

888
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,719
guy that's been abandoned weight. Now, O your feather we're in our fifties.

889
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:05,679
Don't tell me the thirties down hill. Thirties is not downhill as a

890
00:54:05,679 --> 00:54:09,599
as a junior featherweight moving up who
started at a freaking as a junior flyweight.

891
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,960
You know, it's it's not you're
he's still probably in his prime.

892
00:54:14,079 --> 00:54:16,000
What I was gonna say, though, is that other than the first fight

893
00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:19,920
against Don't Air, which was the
fight of the year that year in a

894
00:54:20,559 --> 00:54:23,000
was it twenty nineteen, right,
If you take a look at the entire

895
00:54:23,079 --> 00:54:27,840
career of in a way, he
has never really taken much punishment. He's

896
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,400
very fresh from that same point because
he's dominated virtually every one of his fights

897
00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:34,519
and won most of them. Uh
you know, other three fights went the

898
00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:37,079
distance. But twenty five wins and
twenty two of them are knockouts. And

899
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,719
he's just a spectacular fighter. What
can you say? He's literally one of

900
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:45,559
the If you said, Rayfhael,
in your years of covering boxing, make

901
00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:50,239
a list of the best fighters you've
ever seen, He's on that list,

902
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:55,280
and it doesn't take longer. You
know, that's Mayweather, Pack, Yeah,

903
00:54:55,400 --> 00:55:01,519
Roy Jones, Canelo, Triple de
la Hoya. You know the greats,

904
00:55:01,519 --> 00:55:06,159
Bernard Hopkins, the Klitchko's, people
of that ell because Shane Mosley,

905
00:55:06,199 --> 00:55:07,920
even, I mean Jan Daniel mark
Haz. I mean, the point is,

906
00:55:08,119 --> 00:55:12,119
if I'm making like the ray Field
top twenty five of the twenty some

907
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,440
years I've done this, NOI in
a way has finds himself definitely on the

908
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,480
list of those greats, no doubt. All Right, a couple more news

909
00:55:17,559 --> 00:55:21,639
items were about done. There's not
really nostalgia, although Rayfield wants to joke

910
00:55:21,679 --> 00:55:27,079
around here in a couple of moments. Good news after something that was concerning

911
00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:32,800
and scary that the long time forty
plus year HBO boxing analyst Larry Merchant was

912
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:38,000
rushed to the hospital on Thursday night, and it turns out that it's not

913
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:43,599
serious. He's in stable condition.
I don't know if you've conversed with him.

914
00:55:43,639 --> 00:55:45,639
You and I did not rehearse this
and talk about this, but there

915
00:55:45,639 --> 00:55:50,480
are some that have. And Larry
was even saying to our colleague Michael Woods,

916
00:55:50,679 --> 00:55:53,159
who wasn't intending to talk to Larry. He had sent Larry a couple

917
00:55:53,199 --> 00:55:58,000
of messages, hadn't heard and he
was intending to leave Larry a voicemail just

918
00:55:58,039 --> 00:56:00,679
saying, I hope you're okay.
Just let me know that you're okay.

919
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:05,639
And Larry picked up the phone on
Friday and Larry said, what do you

920
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:10,519
mean. It's on TMZ and I'm
an internet thing now. And apparently Jim

921
00:56:10,599 --> 00:56:14,840
Lampley also has weighed in that he
has spoken with Larry, and I know

922
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:20,239
you're very close to to Larry and
to Jim Lampley. That is it's good

923
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,039
news that it's not serious, not
believed to be serious to say. Whatever

924
00:56:23,079 --> 00:56:27,639
else you've found out is when you're
ninety two and you're in the hospital for

925
00:56:27,679 --> 00:56:30,320
multiple days. It is serious,
so let's not joke around about that.

926
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:37,840
It's nice. However, it is
not the caliber of a drama that TMZ

927
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:39,360
portrayed in its story. And I
was happy to hear that. So I

928
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:44,000
saw that and look like everybody else, and I actually texted Larry and I

929
00:56:44,039 --> 00:56:45,960
said, Larry, listen, I
mean, I saw I read that your

930
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,840
rush of the hospital. I hope
you're okay. If you're able, please

931
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:51,760
just text me back. Yes,
you know whatever. I didn't hear from

932
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:52,760
him. I mean, I wasn't
surprised me that I didn't know if he

933
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,840
even had his phone or whatever.
So this is kind of an interesting thing.

934
00:56:57,119 --> 00:57:01,440
I'm literally watching round eleven of the
Bight. He has just knocked down

935
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:07,639
Lynn and Arthur, and in the
moments as like literally as these landing the

936
00:57:07,639 --> 00:57:10,760
punches, my phone rings. It
is and you know, because I'm very

937
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:15,960
close to Larry. It was Larry's
son in law calling me to tell me

938
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:19,719
that he saw the text, and
Larry wanted him to call me and to

939
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,440
tell me that it was that.
Yes, he's in the hospital. Yes

940
00:57:22,519 --> 00:57:27,719
something happened. It wasn't as dramatic
as it was made out to be and

941
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,079
that he's going to be okay,
and you know, I was joking with

942
00:57:30,119 --> 00:57:32,159
his unlock ause Larry. I didn't
speak Larry. He was there in the

943
00:57:32,239 --> 00:57:35,719
room with him, and I was
like, just do you tell Larry to

944
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,000
you know, if heel up,
get better and when he's when he's up

945
00:57:37,039 --> 00:57:39,119
to it, tell him to give
me a call and I'll give him the

946
00:57:39,199 --> 00:57:43,920
rundown on what happened on this card
in saudiy Raby. Because Larry still pays

947
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,320
attention to the big shows, the
big show, so I was very pleased

948
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:52,079
that it was not to say it
wasn't serious, but it's it was not

949
00:57:52,159 --> 00:57:54,880
nearly the level of it was made
out to be. So you know,

950
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,440
Larry was kind of embarrassing and kind
of kind of pissed off that he had

951
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:00,400
to go in the able and say, if if it had been just you

952
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:04,000
know, people with him at home, they would have just taken to the

953
00:58:04,039 --> 00:58:06,559
hospital to have him checked out and
you know, maybe checked in to take

954
00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:08,480
care of whatever was the issue.
But it was not like he's, you

955
00:58:08,519 --> 00:58:13,320
know, imminently gonna die. Thank
God, all right, and ninety two

956
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:19,320
years young, that's amazing. A
couple more things you also have been reporting

957
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:23,320
this about Connor Ben will be back. That's been talked about again. Can't

958
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,519
get a license to fight in England. And I don't want to go down

959
00:58:25,519 --> 00:58:29,400
the rabbit hole for fifteen more minutes
because we're about done here. But he's

960
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:30,960
now going to be able to fight
in Las Vegas when he can't get a

961
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:35,119
license to fight in England. So
here we go with shopping to a different

962
00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:37,599
country, a different venue. So
he's going to be back in February.

963
00:58:37,719 --> 00:58:42,360
It's not Chris Ubank. They couldn't
agree. Just say something else there that's

964
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,440
on your mind. Well, the
point here is this, I mean,

965
00:58:45,199 --> 00:58:49,360
whatever your personal viewpoints of whether he
should be boxing, not boxing, get

966
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,480
a license, not get a license, the fact is that when he had

967
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,519
the last fight in Florida, it
was because he was taken off of the

968
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:01,719
American suspension list by the ABC that
occurred. There was nothing and no reason

969
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:06,639
why the Florida Commission wouldn't or shouldn't
give him a license, and the same

970
00:59:06,719 --> 00:59:09,800
goes for Nevada. So they're not
venue shopping, which is something that does

971
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:14,159
happen. He is an eligible again. You can agree that he shouldn't be

972
00:59:14,199 --> 00:59:17,320
eligible that's fine, but he is
currently on the laws and rules that are

973
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:21,480
on the books. He is an
eligible fighter to be licensed in the United

974
00:59:21,519 --> 00:59:24,000
States. He doesn't have medical problems
that anybody is aware of. He just

975
00:59:24,039 --> 00:59:29,480
goes through the normal process. He's
not suspended in the UK because the provisional

976
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,719
suspension was lifted, but they won't
license him because the case is still being

977
00:59:32,719 --> 00:59:37,599
adjudicated from the standpoint of yu COD
and the British Boxing Board, which appealed

978
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:43,719
the decision by the other board that
oversees that sort of thing to remove this

979
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:47,480
provisional suspension. A lot of it
is semantics. They're supposed to be hearing

980
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:51,639
coming up. I think it's in
February, maybe at the end of January.

981
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,559
But in the meantime he is free
and clear to fight outside of the

982
00:59:54,639 --> 00:59:58,920
UK, so that's what they're doing. He will headline on his own member.

983
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,519
They were trying to make the U
Bank fight that had been canceled in

984
01:00:01,559 --> 01:00:07,679
the first place because of his positive
drug tests on February third. It ultimately

985
01:00:07,719 --> 01:00:10,000
fell apart. Connor was having his
own financial problems in terms of coming to

986
01:00:10,039 --> 01:00:14,960
win agreement with Natroom Boxing. I
believe they got over those issues The problem

987
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,320
then came down to you Bank having
a disagreement with his people at Wasserman Boxing,

988
01:00:17,519 --> 01:00:21,599
so that fight broke apart. So
they're not going to just leave Connor

989
01:00:21,639 --> 01:00:23,840
not fighting. He's coming to America
on February third, or headline on his

990
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:28,480
own. They say it will take
place normally the American the Zone card take

991
01:00:28,519 --> 01:00:30,719
place in the evening eight o'clock start
time Eastern. This is going to be

992
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:36,199
more of an afternoon star time in
Las Vegas to be in prime time in

993
01:00:36,239 --> 01:00:37,920
Britain, which is where the audience
for him is. He's going to fight

994
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,400
at the Cosmopolitan, which is not
a big room. It only holds maybe,

995
01:00:40,519 --> 01:00:44,079
like I forget the exact number.
I'll say around two thousand or so.

996
01:00:44,159 --> 01:00:45,559
I've covered a few fights there in
the over the years. And he's

997
01:00:45,599 --> 01:00:50,440
going to fight a New York fighter
who's not not very accomplished. He's a

998
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:57,679
undefeated fighter, but he's got no
has no names that are even remotely recognizable

999
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:00,480
on your when you look it down
his ledger, it's a fighter named Peter

1000
01:01:00,559 --> 01:01:05,400
Dobson. You know, I don't
know how difficult of it it's going to

1001
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:07,960
be. Dobson's only had one previous
ten round fight. This is going to

1002
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:13,000
be scheduled for a twelve rounder,
but they're keeping him busy because the U

1003
01:01:13,039 --> 01:01:14,719
Bank fight and is still going to
be there. And if it's not,

1004
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:16,559
he's still the Steepson winning. For
better for worse, He's going to find

1005
01:01:16,639 --> 01:01:20,920
himself in a bigger fight in the
welterweight division. Where this fight, if

1006
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:22,280
they announced it as a welterweight fight, my understanding, it'll be a few

1007
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:25,159
pounds over though actual one to forty
seven min but that's not really a big

1008
01:01:25,519 --> 01:01:29,280
thing. Is not like a you
know, a world championship fight or anything

1009
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,159
like that. So yeah, they
announced sat on Friday, Connor benn is

1010
01:01:32,199 --> 01:01:36,039
back in the main event on this
to his own card. All right.

1011
01:01:36,119 --> 01:01:37,599
I have one more thing that's not
on the rundown, and I don't know

1012
01:01:37,639 --> 01:01:45,119
that you have seen this, but
the Showtime final thirty seven thirty six thirty

1013
01:01:45,159 --> 01:01:50,360
seven minutes, thirty seven minute retrospective
on the thirty seven years. I don't

1014
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,880
know how thirty seven years, and
I think thirty six or thirty seven minutes,

1015
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,440
it may have gone right at that
number for the thirty seven years of

1016
01:01:55,440 --> 01:02:00,079
Showtime. That final retrospective is now
up on YouTube where they released it.

1017
01:02:00,519 --> 01:02:04,199
And for all I know, because
I don't have the Showtime service, they

1018
01:02:04,239 --> 01:02:07,440
may have it available on demand where
you can click it and watch it,

1019
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:10,280
but you can watch it on YouTube. And this is this is me saying

1020
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:14,800
this, and I brought this up
to you when they did the final show

1021
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:19,159
and the final tribute. Again,
to me, it is disreve I don't

1022
01:02:19,159 --> 01:02:21,400
know what's going on, right,
I'll be the first one to admit I

1023
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:25,480
don't know what's going on. But
if Steve Albert is able and Steve Albert

1024
01:02:25,519 --> 01:02:29,280
is living, Steve Albert is seventy
one years old. He's the youngest of

1025
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:31,119
the Albert brothers. He was on
there. They had him on there,

1026
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:37,280
Okay, or mention it. At
least, can I finish for Steve Albert

1027
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:42,599
to not be given an opportunity to
say anything about covering Showtime boxing. The

1028
01:02:42,679 --> 01:02:46,679
only time that he was mentioned was
for about three or four seconds by Maro

1029
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:51,679
Ronalo and they showed him on screen
with al Bernstein, and he said,

1030
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:57,320
I remember watching that fight with Steve
Albert and al Bernstein and they showed him

1031
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:00,880
for like three seconds on screen.
This is the guy I'm doing my Rayfield

1032
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:05,239
now. This is the guy that
called the Evander Holyfield knockout of Buster Douglas

1033
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:08,360
for the undisputed title on Showtime to
help them really get rolling, He called

1034
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:15,599
the Chavez Whittaker dramatic draw, controversial
draw. You move on through the Chavez

1035
01:03:15,719 --> 01:03:21,159
Hoggin at Mexico, the two Tyson
Holyfield epic, memorable fights. He's on

1036
01:03:21,239 --> 01:03:23,440
your one of your favorites, if
not your favorite, Corrales Castile. He's

1037
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:28,360
on the call of all of those
fights for twenty four years. He's on

1038
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:32,880
those fights. I don't understand why
you could not have him on for ninety

1039
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:39,280
seconds to see someone not yet for
ninety seconds to say something about having called

1040
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:45,760
Showtime Boxing and what a privilege it
was as somebody that is in this business.

1041
01:03:45,239 --> 01:03:49,239
To me, that was insulting,
that was disrespectful. Me. Ask

1042
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:52,480
your question and I don't know the
answer this. I him and asked him,

1043
01:03:52,559 --> 01:03:54,079
I have no idea, and I
said that at the top. But

1044
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:58,239
here's what. Let me ask you
another question. Do you think if they

1045
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:00,159
called Steve Albert and said you want
to be part of this, that Steve

1046
01:04:00,159 --> 01:04:05,559
Albert would have said no. Probably
he's out of town, maybe he's on

1047
01:04:05,639 --> 01:04:09,639
vacation. Maybe he's tied up,
maybe he's ill, who knows. Here's

1048
01:04:09,679 --> 01:04:13,239
the point, though, you're missing
the big picture, the big pictures.

1049
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:15,440
I watched the feature and while it's
very nicely produce and it told the story

1050
01:04:15,639 --> 01:04:19,800
to a degree of today's Showtime crew, and they went behind the scenes of

1051
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:24,480
them preparing for the Benavds and Andre
Card, which was their last pay per

1052
01:04:24,559 --> 01:04:28,079
view, not so much the card
that was the last show that they did

1053
01:04:28,159 --> 01:04:33,039
up in Minnesota. I still don't
have my all time highlight reel. Right,

1054
01:04:33,079 --> 01:04:38,440
that was what was hugely disappointing.
So I'm I'm not happy Showtime is

1055
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:40,519
out of business. I'm going to
miss a lot of those people if I

1056
01:04:40,559 --> 01:04:42,920
don't see them down the road or
deal with them or talk to them on

1057
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,519
a regular basis like I have done
for many, many years. But they

1058
01:04:46,199 --> 01:04:49,880
they did not put together an adequate
highlight reel of the greatest Well, they

1059
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:54,840
did a three minute one that they
showed that night of the broad him you

1060
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:58,320
may you may say not good enough, but they did one. Again.

1061
01:04:59,039 --> 01:05:00,960
I'm in this business. I have
been in this business for the last thirty

1062
01:05:01,039 --> 01:05:05,320
years, and the man is the
foundation of what they started doing, calling

1063
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:10,599
the fights. He's the soundtrack that's
there with Ferdie Pacheco and Bobby Chez,

1064
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:14,320
et cetera. And to an extent, Barry Tompkins wasn't involved in this either.

1065
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:17,280
I think part of it, because
I know enough about the business part

1066
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:20,960
of it is they wanted to do
this at the same time with all their

1067
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:25,639
people available to say goodbye on the
pay per view, and they spent two

1068
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:29,440
or three days around that weekend putting
it together. I get that. I

1069
01:05:29,559 --> 01:05:33,840
just I reiterate again. I watched
in amazement that they couldn't find ninety seconds

1070
01:05:34,719 --> 01:05:39,440
sixty seconds to have him come on
and say something. Did they mention Bobby

1071
01:05:39,519 --> 01:05:43,559
Chez? Did they mention Furdie Checho? They did all the other people.

1072
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:46,400
Not Freddy Pacheco's not living. I'm
not making jokes and I know you're not

1073
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:49,199
saying that Freddy Pacheco's not living.
I don't know where Bobby Chez is,

1074
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:56,280
but again, this guy was Showtime
Championship Boxing soundtrack. His great calls of

1075
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:59,199
they did fight. I mean again, maybe in passing they did, they

1076
01:05:59,199 --> 01:06:00,719
didn't really talk about it. Jay
Larkin, that founded the damn place.

1077
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:03,480
I don't think they ever mentioned him
on the thirty seven Manyue didn't mentioned Ken

1078
01:06:03,519 --> 01:06:09,480
Hirshman, who did the Super six
Tournament and many other top grade fights on

1079
01:06:09,519 --> 01:06:14,519
Show with Time. So you know, listen to me. You're annoying me

1080
01:06:14,559 --> 01:06:18,920
because he had alleviated from the rundown. But whatever, I'm just putting something

1081
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:21,719
out there. I'm putting something out
there that they put it out there,

1082
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:26,239
and as a broadcaster, I mean
it would be it would be the same.

1083
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:29,719
Steve Albert, by the way,
is in the International Boxing Hall of

1084
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:31,719
Fame for calling Showtimes fights for twenty
four years. Yeah, I know,

1085
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:35,360
I voted for thank you. I
rest my case. He should have been

1086
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:40,159
part of the retrospective. With that, I think we've covered everything in a

1087
01:06:40,199 --> 01:06:45,079
full show because we really don't have
nostalgia except for the only nostalgia we really

1088
01:06:45,119 --> 01:06:49,519
have is you want to set it
up, yeah, the rematch? Well

1089
01:06:49,559 --> 01:06:51,840
no, not the rematch. I
got to set it up correctly. Apollo

1090
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:57,880
Creed is dead December twenty fifth,
nineteen eighty five. Copy years ago is

1091
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:00,039
at nineteen eighty five. That's now
thirty eight years ago, right, That

1092
01:07:00,159 --> 01:07:05,079
is when Rocky beats Drago in Moscow
on Christmas Day to help bring an end

1093
01:07:05,119 --> 01:07:08,920
to the Cold War. Right,
probably one of the most important items of

1094
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:12,039
nostalgia we could talk about in the
show, except as we often have joked,

1095
01:07:12,079 --> 01:07:15,280
and we joked even in the lead
in on Friday, it was not

1096
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:17,320
Christmas Day. It was July and
Vancouver when they filmed it in a small

1097
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:24,079
arena, acting like it it's Christmas
Day, no money, And that's because

1098
01:07:24,119 --> 01:07:29,119
we don't have the fight December twenty
fifth, what what Christmas? So there

1099
01:07:29,159 --> 01:07:31,280
you go. That's the real.
Yeah, that's about the only nostalgia there.

1100
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:34,480
So go relive Rocky, Go Live, relive Rocky full. It's got

1101
01:07:34,559 --> 01:07:40,000
to be on somewhere this weekend Christmas, I'm sure as part of as part

1102
01:07:40,039 --> 01:07:42,719
of Christmas where they're beating the daylights
out of each other, he and Drago.

1103
01:07:43,719 --> 01:07:45,280
And by the way, the arguments
with people, though I always say

1104
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:48,119
Rocky three is number one, a
lot of people will tell you it's Rocky

1105
01:07:48,159 --> 01:07:51,679
one or Rocky or Rocky four.
Those I mean, I don't we're going

1106
01:07:51,679 --> 01:07:56,559
to get into an argument now,
that Rocky argument. First of all,

1107
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:59,960
let me help you. It's not
Rocky one. It's called Rocky the first

1108
01:08:00,119 --> 01:08:02,800
well, yeah, the first one, the first one I think stands.

1109
01:08:03,239 --> 01:08:06,239
And then Rocky three is probably better
than Rocky two. And I know you

1110
01:08:06,239 --> 01:08:10,480
love Rocky three for the montage at
the beginning, which you've explained well for

1111
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:14,199
other reasons also, and Rocky four. Yes, Rocky five should never have

1112
01:08:14,239 --> 01:08:16,720
been made. And then Rocky Balboa
a six to one good I like that

1113
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:18,680
movie. Yeah, that was a
good one. Good way to answers I

1114
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:21,960
like to say about Rocky six.
Meaning about Rocky Balboa is I got to

1115
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:26,000
shoot scenes for that film, and
as I joke with my good pal Brian

1116
01:08:26,079 --> 01:08:30,359
Kenny, our scenes were cut.
They didn't even make the the deleted scenes.

1117
01:08:30,359 --> 01:08:32,560
You were on the cutting room floor
on that one. But still good

1118
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:39,640
stuff. Rocky Drago Christmas fictitiously.
So here's the question. Forty years ago,

1119
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:45,399
let's ask you the question. Is
Rocky four a Christmas movie? That

1120
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:47,960
is a good question. I think
it is so because we talked about on

1121
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:51,880
the bet Us show. Diehard is
absolutely a Christmas movie. You love el

1122
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:57,840
So that's a that's a standby.
I think I might have to put Rocky

1123
01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:00,600
four on just for the heck of
it. At some point this and around

1124
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:01,399
all the other day. I think
they showed at one point in the show

1125
01:09:01,399 --> 01:09:04,279
I think there was a Christmas tree
show that wasn't there, and then in

1126
01:09:04,279 --> 01:09:08,239
the movie, and they made a
big deal about to be trying to remember

1127
01:09:08,239 --> 01:09:12,520
when he's training supposedly in Russia,
which is actually like Jackson Hole, Wyoming

1128
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:15,560
was where the training scenes were shot
where he's in the snow and all that

1129
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:19,319
in the mountains. But in any
event, I don't remember a Christmas tree.

1130
01:09:19,319 --> 01:09:23,399
Maybe they did have one there.
Maybe it was chopping down me if

1131
01:09:23,399 --> 01:09:27,039
you're boxing in a big heavyweight fight
which was not for the title was actually

1132
01:09:27,039 --> 01:09:29,439
I think technically did not count as
an official fight. I think it was

1133
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:33,600
supposedly like an exhibition, right,
But anyway, it was on which if

1134
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:38,479
your film is set to the backdrop
of Christmas Day, it's a Christmas movie.

1135
01:09:39,119 --> 01:09:41,680
I grant you that, all right, my friend. We've done a

1136
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:45,159
bunch here again. This has been
a special version of the recap where typically

1137
01:09:45,279 --> 01:09:49,119
Sunday night into Monday. Of course
it's New Year's Eve, so we got

1138
01:09:49,119 --> 01:09:53,119
to figure out for next week as
well what we're doing. But we brought

1139
01:09:53,159 --> 01:09:57,560
this to you twenty four hours earlier
Saturday night into Sunday for those that are

1140
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:02,199
about to participate. Merry Christmas,
Happy Holidays, Festivus for the rest of

1141
01:10:02,279 --> 01:10:06,079
us. Happy New Year coming up. We're almost done. We're almost done

1142
01:10:06,079 --> 01:10:10,039
for this calendar year, and we
gave the peeps a lot here on this

1143
01:10:10,079 --> 01:10:13,960
program. Anything else, anything else, will be good. I'll just tell

1144
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:16,359
all of our loyal listeners that we
appreciate them, and I hope they have

1145
01:10:16,359 --> 01:10:21,680
a great holiday. Absolutely, and
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1146
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:25,159
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01:10:25,199 --> 01:10:29,399
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1148
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:31,840
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1149
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:34,760
now, we are good. You
have been listening to the Fight Freaks Unite

1150
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:41,079
recap podcast. We're back one final
time. We'll recap the in a way

1151
01:10:41,119 --> 01:10:45,039
fight whatever happens from Tuesday, and
we'll preview the final weekend of twenty twenty

1152
01:10:45,119 --> 01:10:48,319
three at a later date on the
Big Fight Weekend podcast week But for right

1153
01:10:48,359 --> 01:10:51,960
now, we're good. My thanks
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1154
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:55,680
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