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This is the downbeat on ninety seven
to one The Freak. Yeah, we

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get your talkbacks and more in nine
thirty five. Okay, I'm Kevin,

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that's Danny, that's Mike JJ.
But right now we are joined live and

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studio by our special guest. You've
been clamoring for more of this man,

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some of them, oh some,
Hey, wait what happened? I'm sorry.

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I heard Chrispin Wall's music and I
just immediately went into Panama mode.

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Go ahead, Mike, Okay,
it's our buddy, Brody Jones. I

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guys, I don't even wrestling expert, if you want to say that,

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but friend of the show more importantly
than his wrestling expertise. Let's be honest.

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That's been was open because he asked
for this return cut, and I'm

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like, whatever you want, Sure
we can play return cut for you.

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I just referred to it as whatever
by our Lady Peace. But I mean,

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if it's associated with Crispin Wall,
I had nothing to do with that.

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Why. I was just re enacting
the events that may or may not

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have happened at one thirty Green Meadow, Fetteville, Georgia between June twenty second

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and June twenty fourth allegedly, and
he will you brought your own bowflex in.

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Yeah, it kind of been a
giant pain in the ass. Again,

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they're easy to find on offer up
these days. I always loved the

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legal safety net of allegedly after some
very specific details in my time, and

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who knows, we've had two pantomime
suicides happened in this studio in the last

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fifteen minutes, Nickly, mine was
a double murders and then a suicide.

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Okay, alleged, let it right. I was trying to condense the details.

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But that's fine. I think any
excuse that we can come up with

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to get Brody up here, you
will definitely exercise. And this weekend being

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WrestleMania, what are we at forty
They revealed the stage last night. It's

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got a big excel on the top
where the guys are going to walk between.

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Yeah, it's pretty big. It's
nice. Yeah, anytime we get

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Brody up it's always fun. But
you are obsessed with the Crispin wat situation,

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which is a terrible. It's funny
to anytime you listen to any like

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podcast because there's a ton of actually
incredibly good like wrestling shoot podcasts where they

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tell the real stories of all the
stuff that happened. Whenever the ben Wah

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thing comes up, it is so
awkward because there are people who are like

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great friends with them everyone recently,
and they're like, I hate to do

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it, but it's three of us. So one of you suddenly turns into

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a murder suicide person and we've discussed
it before. I'm like, yeah,

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no, Danny Baylis wouldn't do that. But then the real truth is,

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you do you ever really know anyone? You don't, and you two aren't

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completely like jacked, muscle brown,
muscle bound psychopaths easy, which Chris ben

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Waugh definitely was speaking of that.
I was thinking, since you know,

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we're all buddies, how about we
all just get fanny packs full of cocaine

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and steroids, where's zoobas and just
live our best life, just like nine

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six, just living in nineteen eighty
six in a cabin. We may or

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may not bang foo cares, No
one's judging. We're just lift and banging

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all day, eating protein in away, you know, throw your past away,

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and it's like a new chapter,
exactly new leaf, and kind of

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everything you need is right in your
fanny pack, right in front of If

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it's not there, you don't need
it. Don't need it, you might

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be bagging. Who knows cocaine and
steroids, a little protein mixed in it

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made it made Randy Savage one of
the greatest ever. So how could you

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be wrong? Yea, he got
endorsement money off that. So Brody's here

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to screw around with us whatever's on
his mind. You know, they never

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know what turns it's gonna take.
But essentially, yeah, it's because we

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got WrestleMania this weekend. Wrestlming you
have forty You just told me forty forty

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excel in Philly and we are in
Philly, Okay, and this is a

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notoriously uh it's a hot market,
man, Yeah that in New Yorker in

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the States are the hottest too wrestling
markets. And Philly is the home of

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E. C. W Right originally
Yeah, ninety two to two thousand and

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one. I don't know, is
that when Philly turned into because it's gonna

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be a hot crowd, like,
they will boo the hell out of I

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don't know, they'll got good guys, Yeah, they'll cheer for the bad

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guys if something goes wrong. I
feel bad for the performers in the ring.

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It's not gonna be fun. Philly
is a great town for wrestling,

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and the WrestleMania is too. Because
you get the smartiest of smart fans.

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It's you know, it's speaking English
for my friends. They don't need to

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know. It's fine. This is
between two friends right here that are staring

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at each other's eyes, Crank and
Rods. So it's the smartiest of fans,

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the smartest of fans, the jerkiest
of fans. Because this is our

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super Bowl. This is it started
pretty much yesterday. It'll go till Sunday,

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including and then roll into Raw on
Monday. But every Giant Wrestling promotion,

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Indie promotion, New Japan, DDT, all from are coming to the

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States. You got pretty much everyone
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There's tons of indie shows going pretty
much every convention center things like that in

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Philly are booked for these different shows. There's a company called GCW. They

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put on a thing called the Collective, which is really cool. They get

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you know, eight or nine other
promotions. They all work together and they

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all run shows. Like yesterday morning, I'm working and on one computer,

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I've got whatever it is. It
used to be fight TV. Now it's

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thriller. And they've got shows starting
at nine o'clock in the morning, and

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about every other hour you've got another
show starting, Like you had Josh Barnet's

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bood Sport yesterday, which is blood
Sport's great, there's no ropes, it's

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simulated MMA and it's some of the
stiffer stuff you can watch. I mean,

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yeah, it's predetermined, but dude's
like the e let Shanna Baser participate

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yesterday, which is crazy. That's
how you can tell Vince is gone because

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Trips is opening the doors saying,
hey, this is our super Bowl.

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Let's all work together. I'm gonna
send some of our bigger stars down to

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your smaller shows and let them participate. Uh William regal Son participated. And

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so you get just the best fans, the nerdiest of fans, the hard

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course to fans that come to this
event, so they all know everything that's

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going on. It's not just your
normal raw crowd where you've got a bunch

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of kids in the crowd and families
and oh I used to watch wrestling and

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go this is a destination. You
plan your rear, d your year round

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going to Mania, and that's why
the crowd is super hostile. They love

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you, but if you know,
they'll turn on you in a heartbeat.

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Was it like that here when we
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I missed. I went to WRESTLEMANA
was here when it was at at and

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T a couple of years ago,
had a great time. Me and Jillian

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went on Saturday night and that was
the night that Cody Rhodes returned incredible to

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WWE. Yeah, which was a
big thing. But I feel like I

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kind of missed out on the week
that you just described, Like there was

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stuff you were driving past people like
more than you guys, even though yeah,

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you knew WrestleMania was in town,
but like you said, every convention

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center and hotel like they had autographed
signings and photos and every almost every living

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wrestler you've ever heard of is in
town for WrestleMania. It's like I was

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telling you all, like when it
was here. The Collective GCW was out

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at fair Park, which was weird
being in like the building with the Butter

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sculpture and there's no butter sculpture,
there's just people selling merch. And then

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right across there's two dudes just beating
the piss out of each other. Yeah.

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And then at the Fairmont they had
Wrestle con which is a giant convention

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you can go by by pictures autographs
from pretty much every retired wrestler or current

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independent wrestler, and then they also
do shows at the same time. That's

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what I was. Fair Amount is
way too nice for wrestling fans. That's

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why it's saying like we walked in
it just immediately smelled like weed. And

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then when I was coming out of
the bathroom, I got ran over by

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the Godfather because you're like move,
I got a as big man just pushed

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me out of the way. I
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hoe training behind him or no?
There was no hose. I did almost

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get run. So there's a guy
big cast that used to be in the

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e and as I was walking out
the door, he's like, legit seven

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foot. I opened the door and
just pretty much ran right into his belly

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button. Did he apologize? No, I just dropped to my knees.

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Well, there you go, finish
the job. Do you have a question

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you mentioned? Okay, so,
uh as far as in Philly, you

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said that they they'll they'll send their
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Well, so there's independent procession.
Yeah, I was curious what the

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logic behind that was. And to
these smaller markets are like, oh my

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god, we got this guy wrestling
in our high school gym, or how

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does that work out? It's just
a different regime now that Vince is gone

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and Triple H is in charge,
Paul as we like to call him,

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and Nick Connor running things. So
this isn't Paul Bearer, No Incredible Actions,

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Young King, yeah, or Paul
Hayman, who's going into the Hall

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of Fame time ECW. He origed, he started ECW and one of the

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smoothest dudes like in American media to
hold a microphone forget wrestling, and he

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is he's probably the best. Heenan
will always be and Cornett was great,

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but Haman's probably the best talker as
a manager of all time. Yes,

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But so there's independent, independent promotions
come in to run shows. And before

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with Vince, like there was times
where he told the city like, you

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can't rent out in a certain area
around us if you want our vent to

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these smaller promotions at Wrestle con things
like that. It's not like that anymore

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now that he's gone, and that
they're real hardline radius clauses. They're welcoming,

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and it's it's kind of a give
and take because a lot of these

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guys, all these guys in the
indies, they want to get to the

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e they want to go to you
know, aw's a stepping stone as well,

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but the goal is to be at
WrestleMania, Like that's the super Bowl.

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That's if you're in that business,
that's where you want to go.

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Well, now with him working together, hey, we'll send Shana Basler and

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we'll send this other guy down here
to wrestle on your show. We can

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work together. Hey, if you've
got some good talent, send them this

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way to our performance center. Maybe
we can give them a try out.

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It's just having a working relationship and
just being cool to everybody. It's like,

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we're all in the same business here. We can all work together.

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We're the top dogs. We don't
have to be d's to you guys.

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We can actually just be cool,
play out in olive branches. But to

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show how weird it is, it's
sort of like the cowboys saying, yeah,

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sure, here's a Dak he can
start one game for the Arlington Renegades.

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Well, it's more like here's c
J. Goodwin, he can play

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special teams for you, okay on
one play? Yeah yeah yeah, but

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you still would ask why. But
it helps those smaller promoters to get these

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names that otherwise they wouldn't have access
to hold a ton tickets because of it.

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And it's kind of a throwback to
how it used to be with the

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Independence right where it's just how you
you borrow a champion and be like,

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hey, here's rich with the NWA
when it was one, when the NWA

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was the organizing body of all the
professional wrestling. We loan people out to

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each other, to different territories.
Yeah. Interesting, So it's Saturday and

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Sunday night. This is how many
years? Four or five? Now I'm

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doing the two nighter. I think
Pandemic year was the first year they went

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two nighters in a thirty six and
then ever since then it's been a two

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night deal. How much is the
pay per view? Uh, it's uh,

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you just get peacocks, sir.
You don't have to buy aay per

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view because it's it's it's premium live
events. We don't go on pay per

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views anymore. Now that they're owned
by t KO Endeavor, which owns THEFC,

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they're probably going to get rid of
that and go back to the paper

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format make money else that or at
least for the Big four. Just because

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you're a peacocks Cock subscriber, you
don't you have to actually pony up for

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it, don't. She's part It's
part of being on Peacock. Really.

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Yeah, it's part of the WW
network because WM was his own standalone Peacock

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boy it a few years ago,
and it's just part of having Peacock.

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Okay, so did they So Peacock
obviously ponied up a boatload of money because

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if you don't have that instant boost
of cash on by people that are willing

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to spend the forty nine to ninety
nine or one hundred bucks or whatever it

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costs to get it. Yeah,
they made it worthwhile. They made it

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worth their while also, and you
got the Calcter that loss because NBC owns

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USA Network and that's where Raw airs, so they're all in bed together as

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it is a smarter big picture play
too, right, Just more people come

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watch our sport and fall in love
and then get hooked with it, right,

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which try probably going to break off
now that Raw is going to Netflix,

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so the WA network will probably move
from Peacock probably to Netflix, maybe

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ESPN Plus since the UFC dealers with
ESPN Plus. We're talking about billion dollar

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deals, right, Oh yeah,
yeah, a lot of money. I

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mean they just sold an Endeavor what
was it, four billion they sold to

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Endeavor and then they created this TKO
brand which is the UFC and WW under

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one one roof. And that's when
the Rock is one of the border directors,

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the board member. Okay, kid, can we just the Rocks back

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in the game. Yeah, and
heavily featured. I saw him and f

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and Roman Reigns on TV the other
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shows explained all of them, like, because that's the main storyline of this

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WrestleMania is Roman Reigns and the blood
line and the Rocks participation in Cody Rhoades

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being the good guy. Just give
him the So originally Cody wins the Royal

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Rumble. You win the Royal Rumble, you get to decide who you face,

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what champion you face, And he
was Everyone's like, hey, he's

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going to face Roman. Well,
when he's coming out to announce that Rock

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comes back and Cody steps back.
It's like, hey Rock, Roman,

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uh, you know, to see
who the real tribal chief is, You'll

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to see who's the leader of your
bloodline. You'll have it. So Rock

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and Roman are cousins, along with
the Usos and Solo so Co who are

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all formed the blood line. But
if you look at the Samoan dynasty that's

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in the WWE, I mean it
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and it just goes from there.
Yokozuna, Rosie Umaga, all those guys,

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they're all related. I remember the
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So Wild Cicco from the Wild Samoans. That is Roman Reigns's father.

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Okay, yeah, and that's I
believe that is Rock's uncle. How that

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works I think in real life?
Yeah, okay, yeah, they're legitimately

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like the most prominent wrestling family of
all time. There's just a thing on

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sorry on the biography. I just
watched Eves about Roman Reigns. Yeah,

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and he was a stud football player, went to Georgia Tech. Georgia Tech.

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Good, good player and at least
for free agent pick up for those

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Vikings, Yeah, Vikings and probably
would have made the roster. He was

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coming out for practice one day and
some dogs pulled him aside and they're like,

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hey, but you got leukemia,
so let's go get some treatment.

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And that pretty much into his football. So we got treatment. He's working

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putting furniture together for his sister and
his dad, Sika the Wild Samoan walks

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in there and kind of looks down
and laughs at him. He's like,

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this is what you're gonna do with
your life. He's like, come with

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me, and took him to Tampa
to learn how to wrestle. Yeah,

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it's because it's like in your blood
and I mean, which is kind of

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true multi generation families. They've succeeded
in wrestling. So what what is who

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wins the most? And what is
the motivating factor of getting Because the Rock

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doesn't need this anymore. He's an
A list actor, He's worth more money

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than he'll ever spend. What is
the motivation? Is it him kind of

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being kind of honoring his ties?
Is is it a big money grab because

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obviously everybody stands to win as far
as the financial aspect of this, What

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is the motivation for Rock to get
out of Hollywood and go back to this.

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Money's great, fame's great. But
the reason he's doing it is just

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like he was just talking about,
this is what they do. This is

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in their blood. It doesn't matter
if he's selling tequila or whatever he's doing,

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you know, pitching crappy football in
Arlington doesn't matter. At the heart

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of it, he's still a pro
wrestler. That's what his dad did,

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that's what his grandfather did, that's
what his uncles did, That's what he

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did. He wouldn't be where he
was if he didn't start in that crap

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be gimmicky costume that he had in
Madison Square Garden as Rocky Myivia, and

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no one cared and they hated him. And then he turned to this incredible

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heel character and had one of the
best runs of the late nineties early two

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thousands, and it skyrocketed him into
fame. And he's came back. He

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came back and had that two year
deal with John Cena, and his whole

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thing originally, from what I've read
and understood, his whole game plan to

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this is he wants to have a
retirement match against Roman, who's his cousin.

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His family. That's what he wants
to be as retirement match, which

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I believe will be. They'll lead
to next year. There'll be some shenanigans

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that this weekend they get along now
or they're in this no no. If

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the Roman are tight, they're tight. Storyline, they're tight. They're guy

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having a tag match, So that'll
be the headline. That'll be the main

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event of Night one. It's a
tag match Rock and Roman versus Seth and

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Cody and so then which leads into
Night too because Roman is wrestling Cody for

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the title. Romans had the belt
for three and a half years. It's

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the longest run in the modern era, longest run since Hogan. You just

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don't do that anymore. You know, it's five six months, you switch

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the champion. You got to keep
people's attention, and some people have kind

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of fell out of love with the
storyline. I think it's brilliant. A

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lot of you know, hardcore fans
think it's brilliant because you're telling this long

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game and like last year, they
had us because we all believed last year,

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everybody to a man believed that Cody
was winning last year, and at

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the last minute there was changes made
Cody lost, and you've done this whole

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year long story build to Cody getting
back to Roman and you thought he was

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there. Rock steps in, they
have a press conference in Vegas, Cody

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comes out, they make it a
tag match, and the storyline here is

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and Rock turned full heel, which
is great. The first couple of weeks

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he was kind of getting his feet, but his heel promo since then have

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been fantastic, making little kids cry, making fun of his mom, making

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Cody bleed, and like rubbing his
blood on the belt and saying he's going

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to send it to his mom as
she's crying. So the whole thing with

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Night one, though, is if
the Bloodline wins, then Cody Romans match.

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Night two is Bloodline rules, which
is just a fancy way of saying

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anything goes, no disqualification, weapons, whatever, any more events. Yeah,

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any member of the Bloodline can get
involved. If Cody Seth win,

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it's a straight one on one match, Roman versus Cody, no interference missionary,

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Yeah, exactly boring and Roman don't
do missionary. So if you're building

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this year or Cody's winning night too, Cody is the new face of the

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company. He's going to be their
new John Cena. He's extremely, extremely

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charismatic. Anytime he cuts a promo, you damn your want to cry.

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He makes you feel, and in
this business, that's all you're trying to

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do is make people feel because they're
going to tune in next week to see

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you. They're going to buy those
tickets. And so Cody's winning Night two

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because he's the he's the politician,
he's the guy they're going to pray it

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out in front of everything. He's
built for it. The thing is to

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make him the beautiful baby face that
you want, the conquering hero. He

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has to overcome every obstacle. So
Night one him and Seth lose. Night

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two he has their takedown Roman and
the entire bloodline, all the shenanigans by

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himself. He can't have any help. He's got to do it clean by

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himself. And then there you go. You have your new golden child.

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So it's not like a two year
story that all leads up to Sunday night.

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I will say, one year ago, probably today, you sat in

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that chair and kind of said the
same thing on why Cody was gonna beat

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him last year, and they last
second said screw it. Roman is printing

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money. Life is good and the
real swerve now would be you could think

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Roman beats him again and ends it
all, But then you've ruined Cody,

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like you've done it once he's recovered, you do it, you do it

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again, You've ruined him. You
can't And like he even said, like

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one of his promos, He's like, I'm not out here to say like

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I'm here to finish my story.
I said that last year and I lost,

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so I can't keep saying that.
Or it's just gonna fall on deaf

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years. Lastly, real quick,
when you ask why the Rock will come

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back to I don't care what the
Rock's bank account says or action do a

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move cut. Even for that dude, there is nothing like wal I'm through

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that curtain and that pop like it
is crack rock. And even the Rock,

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who has everything on planet or nothing
in his life, is like walking

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out. He always they always did
that noise, yeaht of when he comes

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out and you just see the goosebumps
on his arms like he shows it.

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There's nothing like that, and you
always hear wrestlers say that that's the one

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thing they miss the most is the
pop of the crowd when they hear your

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music that first time and you walk
through that curtain. There's nothing like It's

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best drug in the world. Cocaine
and steroids are great, especially if they're

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you know, coming, easy to
handle. Pack fan pack. It's not

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how it works, all right.
I know you're gonna stick around. We're

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just gonna keep growing around. We're
gonna play some talkbacks. Whatever you got.

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Dude, what's the big story from
WrestleMania. The other big story which

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you don't know he did, that
was just sexing up the teas. We'll

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sexing it up. When he says, oh, we'll let him talk about

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Gunther for a second. I'm so
hard. We had tons of cra had

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tons of crabs, trust us.
Fun time next