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Thank you for listening to Depictures Media
Radio. Welcome to Policy and Rights,

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the show about the government, policy
and human rights. Welcome back to Policy

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and Rights. Here in Depictions Media
Radio, I'm your host Michael cloggs.

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Two very hot topic items, transit
and housing. How to make make our

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commute affordable, because, hey,
let's face it, with interest rates and

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inflation and food costs in everything else
that is going up, being able to

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get backwards and forth to work and
travel around our cities and everything is also

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becoming very expensive. And hey,
we need to be able to collect that

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paychecks so we can pay the rest
of our bills, and we have to

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make sure that that something is accessible
and affordable. Hey, let's make it

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transit. So we're gonna hear a
little bit about what's going on with this

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subway system in Toronto and how they're
trying to make improvements to their community via

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that transit system. We're also going
to hear from the Liberal imp retreat about

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what they're saying is going on with
housing and what is it that that the

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Liberal MPs want to see their own
government do about the housing problem. How

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to make housing that much more affordable
so that the average person doesn't have to

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worry about it. On that matter, if you do have a have a

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home, and even if you're living
a paycheck to paycheck, you know what,

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let's be grateful that we actually have
homes to live, even did we

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do have that food on our table, and that we have the ability to

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get back on and forth to work
safely and effectively. So why don't we

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listen to what's going on with transit
and housing? Booman, Good morning everyone,

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Welcome to Toronto on a sunny day. It's great to be here with

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all of you. The message today
simple enough is enough. That is the

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message that I'm sending to the telecos
on behalf of millions of TTC riders who

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have been very, very patient.
And that's why this morning with my colleagues,

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and we'll be getting into the details
before, we are forcing the telecost

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to ensure that all subware users,
regardless of the service providers they have have

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access to mobile services by October third. That is the key message today that

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should be heard by everyone here in
Toronto. But before I get going,

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let me see a few words to
Mayor Chow Mayor chop Lizer to be with

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you. I think it's our very
first press conference that we are having together,

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and I can say what a start. I must say. We're going

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to be improving the lives of millions
of Torontonians that are experiencing lack of cell

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phone services and subways, and we're
acting together and we're acting decisively. I

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also want to recognize councilor mayors,
which is the chair of the TTC councilor

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you're just there. I just want
to say thank you because your presence speaks

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volumes about your dedication to improve services
for people who are riding on the side

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with every morning. To my colleagues, and I'll take the time to name

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all of them because they have made
a huge difference in leading the effort.

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They have really been following this case
for years and making sure that that the

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first opportunity the federal government would intervene
to make sure that we improve the lives

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of Torontonians. So Julie Derrowitz is
with me, Ivan Baker is with me,

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Rob Oliphant's just joined us. James
Maloney, James is somewhere there.

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James is the chair of on the
Ontario Caucus. Holly Lassie is with us,

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and Sam Azahid. This is the
team that has been pushing us and

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me as Minister to make sure that
we would improve the safety for writers in

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the TTC by providing them cell phone
services. I think that you have millions

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of families that will rejoice today and
saying that there I've contributed to make Toronto

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safer. Before I get it to
my formal remark about the TTC, I

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think it is a moment we should
all take. Before I begin, let

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me just say a few words to
commemorate September eleven, the September eleven attacks.

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Most of us remember where we were
on that terrible day already twenty two

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years ago, and today our thoughts
where our American friends and obviously Canadian family

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who lost loved ones on the tragic
day. See if dama granp zepoma detricisa

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cha the mom's concern inspel de Toronto
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legno merci de nuponi historic. Then
these twelve service the Transplanta Toronto. What

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I'm announcing today is that connectivity is
finally coming to all TTC users here in

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the city of Toronto. This is
affecting more than two million people on an

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average work day, two million people
on an average work date. That's the

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number of people that will be affected
by the announcement today. I think we

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can all agree as Canadians and a
mayor, as Torontonians that in Canada's largest

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city, it is simply unacceptable that
so many subway riders still do not have

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access to our less services. Just
think about that. Even airplanes today are

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offering connectivity. Yet for many TTC
users getting on the subways like riding in

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perpetual airplane mode. What I'm here
today to tell you that those days are

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over. Time is up, and
that's why we're gonna be acting decisively to

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change that for millions of TTC riders. Compare the universals and industry. Moravai

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consists that they found Canezier del MILIORIZIERAJU, a Peperclofoni, Loscopil Toronto, poor

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EXCI service, the telephony mobile quel
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Just think about that, more than
a decade since the TTC signed a

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deal to enable cell service in the
subway, and yet ten years on Torontoni

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and you use the subway are left
waiting because companies aren't stepping up to the

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plate to provide the same services available
in every other Canadian transit system. So

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the time has come to take action
to addres this situation once for all,

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and that's what I'm doing to do
with my colleagues and the Mayor of Toronto.

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Following an expedited public consultation process,
I'm announcing today that the licenses to

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operate of all major carriers will be
revised so that to ensure that all TTC

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riders will now be able to have
coverage in the subway system in Toronto.

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And that is a key point for
all the users in the existing UH system

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here in Toronto. My friend,
this is a question of safety first and

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foremost for your kids, for your
friends and loved ones, but also for

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our community here in the city.
Sweet Eye Processors, the Concertational Public Accellery,

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John Social Drick, the two legraphs
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service the Telephonymobile Daltro Toronto. In
practical terms, for folks who are watching

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at home and are listening to us, this means that all major carriers will

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have to offer voice, text and
data services, including obviously nine one service

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by October. Turn on the current
worldless network in the subway system in Toronto.

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This will be followed by full service
in all tunnels and stations across the

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network as soon as it's possibly feasible. And make no mistake, should mobile

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carriers fail to meet these conditions,
I will not shy away from taking further

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action as appropriate, and not only
I expect them to follow what we're demanding

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to the end requiring I think it
would be in their best interests, as

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millions of Trontonians are using and want
to be using their services and are going

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to be watching. This could include
if they failed to act, imposing minatory

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penalties and even suspending or revoking a
carrier spectrum license. This is very serious

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business. The TTC, ladies and
gentlemen and conclusion, is the largest transit

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system in Canada and a huge player
in the city's economic well being. That's

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why I firmly believe that enabling connectivity
on the TTC for all users is not

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only the necessary thing to do,
but the right thing to do. That's

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what I will keep with my collings, fighting for TTC users and for all

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to Antonio's With that, I am
pleased to pass the microphone to my friend

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the Mayor of Toronto, Merrit Shall, the floor is yours. Wow,

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thank you, mister minister. Today
is a happy day. All the transit

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riders are gonna have a sigh of
relief and said, finally, finally,

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it's happening October three, where moms
would be and dad's would be able to

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connect with their children that are on
the subway to find out that ah,

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we have arrived. Or those that
want to do some homework or do some

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work on the subway, they could
do that at texts. And of course

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that if some folks wants to have
any kind or if people that are in

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trouble hopefully not, they could feel
that they can connect with someone. That

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sense of security is so important.
Mister minister. I am amazed how fast

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and strong and decisive that you've moved, because I've been elected, holding office

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for about thirty years, and some
things takes a long time. Yes,

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it is been ten years since the
TDC make that agreement. We didn't have

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much to show for it, and
any kind of pleading and begging didn't get

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us anywhere from the City of Toronto, and lots of people have and that

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too. Now you are using your
mandate your power to say to the telecoms

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to say that it's long overdue,
let's make it happen, and that we

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need this service as soon as possible. And we hope that the companies will

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get the message that they would cooperate
and work together so that Torontonians get the

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service they deserve and they need.
But I am so relieve that you're willing

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to take strong action. Let me
tell you, we need to see a

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lot of that kind of action because
it is very precious in this world of

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ours. So thank you for stepping
up, thank you for answering the cause

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of the citizens and residents of Torontonians. And thank you for saying to the

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TDC riders we hear you, We're
here for you. We will make internet

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services available for every rider, no
matter which company that you are using,

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lex Simple coup Thank you, very
thank you. We'll be happy to take

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a question. I think the mike
is there, but however you want to

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do that, you decide, you
are. You all know each other and

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it's a sunny day, we have
a lot of time. Thank you for

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taking my question. It's Alex from
the Globe and Mail. I'm just wondering.

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Rogers has said that the current network
as it exists couldn't handle the roaming

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from all of the TTC riders,
from all carriers. So do you believe

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it's technically feasible for this deadline to
be met? Well, definitely. That's

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why we had public consultation and what
we expect is that all the companies will

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work together. You know, I
was very firm with them when it came

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in May, and I give them
a deadline to say you need to get

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together to provide services. We're talking
about millions of people who have been waiting,

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as the mayor set for almost ten
years, to fix that in the

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largest city of Canada. So by
amending the license and requiring in other words,

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forcing them to do so, obviously, I expect them to follow suit.

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What may happen, as you suggested
with the roaming, is that what

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we want to ensure is some level
of services for all TTC users, even

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if it could mean in a very
short period of time that they would be

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reduced service for one carrier. But
I think it in the public interests for

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safety, for our communities, for
our kids. As the mayor said in

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my colleagues, it is in our
best interests as a city to make sure

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that everyone as some services by October
third. And like I said, the

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other news is that we're going to
be a mandating expansion because, as you

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know, what we're talking about is
in the existing network. But what we

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are saying also is that we want
them to cover one hundred percent of all

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the station within six months. We
want them to cover eighty percent of the

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tunnels within a year, and we
want them to cover one hundred percent of

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the tunnels and the subway within three
years. The reason for that is that

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they can only do work during the
night within some hours. And the third

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condition is that we want to make
sure that at every new station and every

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new line, when the lines become
operational, that they will be full voice,

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data and text services as soon as
the new lines become operational. That

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is what Canadian expect, That's what
TT seriusers expect, and I think we're

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in twenty twenty three, that's what
we all want to see in Toronto.

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You previously gave them a deadline to
reach a commercial agreement in terms of the

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raids and they failed to meet it, and now all the companies are kind

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of blaming each other right with Rogers
saying it's Balentellos who are dragging their heels

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and Bellentella saying Rogers just won't give
them access to the technical spacks and everything

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that they need. So what do
you plan to do if we end up

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in this situation again where they're just
pointing fingers at each other. They know

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me by now, I'm not the
type of guy you want to mess with.

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I think they've figured that out.
But above that, they don't want

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to mess with millions of Torontonians who
now have a clear timeline as what is

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being expected, and obviously it isn't
their best commercial interest to serve customers here

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in the TTC subway. But in
addition to that, by amending their license,

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which is something which is unprecedented in
Canada's history that a Minister of Industry,

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as the mayor said, that's the
first time ever we've done that,

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is to amend the license that allow
them to provide service with conditions to provide

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services in the subway in Toronto.
I think the message could not be stronger

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and I expect them fully to comply
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so, we'll take enforcement action.
But I suspect that the voice of Torontonians

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is much louder than any enforcement action. People want to see action and now

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respect, I'd like to talk to
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on the situation when it comes to
funding for African primarily African refugees in Toronto.

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U to whoever, which one of
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the ministry just a moment ago said
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They won't be ignored. Many people
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of you on this situation over funding
with the city is being ignored. Council

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people here are naming you directly in
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pressure on you to ensure that the
message on funding is heard. I'm just

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wondering if one of you would care
to say, well, you're sitting next

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to the mayor and again, Minister
with respect, if one of your MPs

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would like to actually sure, I'll
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to the Minister of Foreign Affairs,
if he wants to comment further. But

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we're always listening. I mean today
you have a great example from the moment

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that we had jurisdiction. We acted
decisively to improve the lives of millions of

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Torontonians. And I can assure you, in the history of Canada, you

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have one of the strongest caucus who
speaks on behalf of the issues that matters

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the Canadian We spend the summer listening
to our folks. We know that affordability

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is the first thing that people have
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We're talking about housing. We're talking
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green industrial transformation. Today is Monday, and we're acting on the TTC and

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I think you'll see a lot of
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But would that I'll turn over it
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a few words on behalf of my
colleagues. Thank you, Minister Mayor.

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I haven't had time to congratulate you
in person. Congratulations. The issue of

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asylum seekers and refugees seeking housing in
Toronto's real housing affordability, housing attainability is

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absolutely critical. The federal government has
absolutely stepped up to the plate. Have

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we done enough? I would be
very clearly, as one Torontonian, one

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Toronto MP saying no, that we
will continue to need to discuss with the

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City of Toronto, with the people
of Toronto, how it is we solve

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the problem. The problem is multifaceted. The problem is not the problem of

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asylum seekers. It is a housing
market crisis in Toronto. It is a

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shelter space crisis in Toronto. We
are wanting to be the best partners well

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also call upon the Province of Ontario
to step up and find every level of

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government, every order of government,
finding its place to solve the problem.

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Torontoians have been loud and clear.
I have received emails, but as I

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think all my colleagues have, We've
had discussions about it at our four one

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six caucus. We will continue to
work with the city and find a solution.

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Can I just actually follow up with
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problem of money at this point in
jurisdictional bickering. So what kind of message

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are you sending to the Prime Minister
when you meet with them on behalf of

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your caucus mates in the city that
you know your seats could be at risk

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here it is partly a problem of
finances and money, but it is also

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a problem of building affordable housing and
attainable housing. Continually. This is something

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that there are no quick solutions to
housing. This is a major market problem

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that we're having, not only in
Toronto but other cities. We face it

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in a variety of ways in the
city. I face it in my own

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writing, all my colleagues do.
We are speaking about the issue, will

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continue to speak about the issue,
but we'll also call upon the Ford government

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to also step up to the plate, who has responsibility for housing as well.

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Thank you, I was a lot
of issue, Minister Sean Jeffords,

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CBC chur til I question for you
along the lines of my colleague from Global

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News. Last week, the City
of Toronto adopted a long term financial plan.

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It calls on the province and the
federal government to step up in different

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ways and negotiate a new fiscal framework
for Toronto, but probably more broadly for

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cities. The response to this point, up to this point the federal government

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is given has largely been dip into
your savings or go up the road to

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Queen's Park to sort out your financial
problems. Why is the federal government taking

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that tone and why is it not
in active negotiations on this fiscal framework with

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the city right now? Well,
I think Rob's said it very clearly.

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First of all, we're listening to
people, but it's student in the federation

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like Canada, the enter is not
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that the provincial government as a role
to play. You've seen it, for

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example, when we've attracted record level
of investment in the province, we went

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back to the provincial government in Ontario
and say you have to pay your fair

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share. That's how it should work
in a federation like Canada. You've seen

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when we did Volkswagen within LG and
Stellentis, the federal government is going to

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be their tutor, the provincial government
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message overall is that in issues like
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people should turns first to Queen's Park. But in terms of listening,

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I can tell you we've been doing
that all summers and you have probably one

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of the most dedicated team of people
who want to deal with the issues that

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affect Canadians in their daily lives.
We are listening, but also we need

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to be fair in saying there there's
a door you need to knock first,

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and I think this first door is
in Queen's Park Minister. A question for

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a colleague of mine. It's been
over a year since the massive Rogers outage

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and this ARTC is still investigating what
happened. Critics say the CRTC is moving

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too slow to force telecoms to be
more upfront with customers. What's your response

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to that. Well, as you
know, the CRTC is independent, so

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they do their work. Obviously we
follow the work that they're doing. They

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have to continue this investigation. You
know, at the moment when we had

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the outage, I acted decisively.
This was the moment when I call all

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the CEOs and say you need to
do better on behalf of Canadians. We

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also signed something, remember the contract
with Canadians that made sure that we would

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take a number of steps to minimize
the impact. First of all prevented,

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but should it ever happen again,
that we minimize that they're automatic roaming emergency

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services. We took a number of
action. So I'll let this CRTC do

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the important work they do. But
as you see, whenever we have jurisdiction,

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I take no time to act on
behalf of people. That's what we're

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doing this morning, which is going
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Hi, Minister teining As Daniel with
City News. I'm wondering what the

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response has been like from other carriers. I know Bell has been very unhappy

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about this situation, wanting to work
collaboratively with Rogers to build this network underground

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where they consulted all at all before
this announcement was made. What's their response

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been like, Well, they as
you know, under the Act, when

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we amen, this is a very
very big step in the history of Canada.

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I'm told it's never been done where
you a man a carrier's license to

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operate with conditions so for them to
be able to sell cell phone service and

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they have to comply with what we
said today. This is unprecedented, but

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I think it's needed. The mayor
said it loudly. My colleagues said it.

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We needed to act because millions of
Torontonians want services, and I think

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they're right. You know, we
deserve better, We deserve to have cell

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phone coverage in the subway system in
Toronto. In order to do that,

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I had to go to a public
consultation to follow the requirements of the Act.

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This is what we done. We
listen to everyone and that's why today

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we're becoming We're coming with very clear
rules that says, regardless of the carrier

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you have, by October third,
you need to have cell phone coverage in

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the existing network in the subway.
And also we're mandating that you expand the

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service, like I said, with
respect to all the stations within six months,

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eighty percent of the tunnels in two
years, one hundred percent of the

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tunnels in three years. And any
news station or lines that are going to

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be open here in Toronto will have
to have full networks coverage in terms of

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voice, data and in text as
you open. So that is now mandated

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and that's what they will have to
comply with. But have they expressed that

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they're going to be fighting this at
all? And also why now? Why

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do you feel comfortable making this decision
now? Well, I don't think it's

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in their best interest to fight Torontonians. Listen, those are their customers.

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I don't see the logic of them
to find their customer, let alone fight

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the regulator. But what I would
say, why now, As I said,

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because it's about time, because they
have not done it before, and

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as I said before before when it
was under BIA, I have no jurisdiction

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under the Telecom Act. If you
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jurisdiction the moment BIA was bought by
Rogers, at which point in April,

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the moment they bought it, we
demanded that they offer services. They failed

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to do so, they failed to
come to an agreement. We said,

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we're going to launch public consultation and
put that in your license. That's what

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we're doing today. So, as
the merrier said, from April to where

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we are today, I think in
Canada's history it's pretty short in terms of

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taking action to defend the rights and
the expectation of Torontonio's morning minister ian bigs,

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theres good. How are you good? To see you good? Just

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doing I just launched their service August
twenty three. Consultations to still underway and

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kind of preempting some of the processes. Are they facing any penalties and repercussions

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for that action. No, no
penalties. They just need to agree now

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with all the others. You know, I don't look at the issue from

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the perspective of the carriers. I
look at the issue from the perspective of

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the people. People have kids.
The mayors said it the colleagues. You

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know, people want to be able
to text to their kids, say,

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by the way, I'm going to
be late. They want to be checking

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on their neighbors if they made it
safely to home. They want to be

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able to tell the employer maybe something
happened while they are in the subway.

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Think about that. This is what
the fifth largest city in North America and

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in twenty twenty three, we don't
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I think it the clear message that
Torontonians are sending today, and I'm

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their voice. I'm expressing their frustration. It's unacceptable and therefore it's for the

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carriers to organize themselves to do that
today. It's it's being required under their

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license and I expect them to follow
suit. And in terms of Rodgers,

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they'll have to work with the others
because the point is that we want to

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make sure that, regardless of the
carrier you choose, you have cell phone

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coverage when you ride in the TTC
system. And just given past deadline fails

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October twenty October three, it isn't
in place. What kind of penalty would

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they face penalties immediately? And when
do the license renewal. Would that actually

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affect them, Well, first of
all, they'll face Torontonians, and I

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don't think that's what they want to
do. They'll face their customers because their

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customers know now that what is expected
of them, and if they fail to

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do so, I'll take enforcement action. But I don't think we'll get there

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because this is just common sense.
This is something that is needed, something

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that has been wanted for Torontonians,
and I think colleagues would say in the

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mayor, the people have been patient
around here, people have been patients.

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At the moment, we've got jurisdiction, we took action to make sure it's

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going to happen, and if they
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action. And as you know,
since I'm the regulator, it goes up

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to revoking a license to operate.
I never think that we're going to go

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anywhere close to that, because their
customers, which are watching TV tonight and

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listening to radios and read the paper, will demand that by octoberat or they

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have the service in the existing system. We just have one very quick follow

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up on the monetary penalties. Can
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the realm of that would potentially look
like, well, there's a range of

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that, but let's be we're talking
amongst each other here. This is good

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commercial practice to serve your customers better. I don't think that I should have

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ever had to act, or me
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that. It's sad that we had
to do it to force them to do

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so. But I think now they
understand that we mean business, that they're

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going to be required to do so. But I expect them, you know,

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to do that, to step up
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done from They want to fix that, not waiting for government to intervene to

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protect the interest of citizens. So
you don't want to give a specific goal.

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Well there's a range of penalties,
but you know what, I don't

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think we'll ever get there. We've
been working with them. They know,

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they know to Antonians, and they
know who I am, and they know

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the mayor. I think they know
enough by now to make sure that they

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have to do what they have to
do. Okay, thank you, good

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morning, minister. A moment karrectly
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question in terms of what is it
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what will be laid out over the
next three Okay, so let me take

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it simply, and I think may
or if you want to comment at the

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end, I'd be happy to any
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voice, but many many colleagues have
contributed to that. So what we're saying

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is that there will be equivalent level
of services for all TTC users in the

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existence system by October Try. So
that's the first date, So regardless of

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the carrier you have, you will
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existing system by October Try. The
second thing we're mandating the telcos is to

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say, as we know this is
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We know that there's many tunnels and
stations which don't have services, so we

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say you need to expand their services. So all stations within six months should

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have voice, text and messaging services. And we say within two years you

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need to cover eighty percent of the
tunnels, and within three years you need

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to cover one hundred percent of the
tunnels, so that in three years you

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would have full coverage. And the
reason why we need to give a timeline

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is because as people would't understand you
need to install equipment, and that equipment

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and you have the share of the
TTC can go on, but you can

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only do that within so many hours
during the night. The third thing we're

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saying is that for any new station, any new tunnels, any new lines

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that are going to be opened in
Toronto, at the time you open the

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line, you need to make sure
that you have full mobile services. So

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we don't face that ever again,
Mayor if you want exact date, October

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three, you heard, and then
June off next year. And for the

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station we're looking at a year later
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hundred percent station and subways in the
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then the area that is on the
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So June, October, June,
December, December okay. So basically

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whatever Rodgers offers as October thirty,
the other providers have times yeah for four

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every other so in a sense they
can do that to roaming order type of

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equipment. That's that's for them.
To figure out. But as as we

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said, October thirty is the day
that Torontonians will be walking in the subway

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and in the existing places where you
have coverage, will be able to use

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their cell phones, regardless of the
carrier they have. Okay, and this

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is just a question on behalf of
my colleague mc cormack, mcconey and OTTWA.

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What's yours cormack doing? By the
way, he's very well, thank

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you. Let's start with the important
things. As you know, he covers

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all our stations, so he's like
our superstar. What's your reaction to Conservative

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Party delegates voting in favor of a
future Conservative government prohibiting medical or surgical interventions

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for gender diverse and transgender children.
To be honest, I don't follow what

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these guys are doing. Uh you
know. Honestly, I follow what Canadians

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care about. And Canadians care about
is affordability, the price of grocery.

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They care about a housing, they
care about the green industrial transformation, and

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they care about what we're doing this
morning to improve services for Torontonians. That's

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what I care about. Honestly,
I have no time for these guys.

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Yes, sit man, thank you
everyone. When you want junk to disappear,

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all you have to do is point
there's no silver bullet to the housing

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crisis that we're living through. It's
going to take all hands on deck,

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cross levels of government with the private
sector, with a nonprofit sector. But

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we're going to need to do a
series of different things. We're going to

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need to advance measures that are going
to help change the financial equation for builders

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who are dealing with a lot of
projects that are actually approved but been put

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on pause because of a higher interest
rate environment. We're also going to need

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to work to change the way that
cities build homes by issuing permits more quickly,

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changing their zoning practices to make it
easier for builders to build. And

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we're also going to need to grow
to the productive capacity of the workforce by

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training Canadians to work in home building, by recruiting newcomers who have the skills

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we need to build, and by
investing in innovation like building homes and factories

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so we can actually be more productive
with the assets that we have with the

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investments that we make. We're going
to be looking at everything we can do

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to build homes more quickly so we
can make homes affordable for ordinary people.

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That's not too much asking, UH
with the announcement today. Today is going

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to be U the first time that
we've done something like this in Canada,

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and I don't want to spoil the
news that we're going to share a little

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later this UH this morning. But
you should also keep in mind that this

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morning's announcement is one of a series
of measures we're going to be advancing over

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the course of the fall that are
going to have a meaningful impact to get

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more homes built in this country.
Look, my perspective is that if people

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see us getting to work, they're
going to have an opportunity to judge whether

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our plan is going to be effective. With respect to people who make the

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argument that the time has come and
gone to make a difference, I think

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you should always be working to solve
problems. The reality is the dynamic has

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changed over the last number of years. When we first arrived in office in

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twenty fifteen, the greatest need when
it came to housing was for so should

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publicly funded social housing for low income
families. That need still persists, but

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the dynamic has fundamentally shifted. What
we've seen over the course of the pandemic,

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with people initially buying up homes during
the pandemic, putting more pressure on

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the stock, followed by hike and
the interest rates that are impacting home builders

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in the environment and impacting people who
hold mortgages, particularly those who have a

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variable rate mortgage. We see that
the need is now just not for low

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income housing, but for homes for
middle class Canadians. People who are going

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to school deserve to have a place
near their classes, people who are going

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to work deserve to have a home
near where they go to work. And

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everybody deserves to be able to have
a home they can afford near the services

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that they need access. My expectation
is that Canadians want to see what we're

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going to be coming up with over
the next number of months. They want

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to see from me personally, being
new to the position, what kind of

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a changed approach, and they should
expect to see a renewed focus that's looking

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to build homes not just for low
income Canadians and affordable housing projects, but

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across the housing spectrum to make sure
we're building homes for middle class Canadians.

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To folks, what is the move
going into Ontario, Folks, great listen.

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We have a fantastic team and very
excited about talking about canadians priorities and

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how we're going to attack those we're
no concerned about. Look at polling numbers

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go up and down all the time. The focus for me is on what

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I'm hearing at the doors and in
my conversations and at the round tables that

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I'm doing, particularly across southern Ontario. That's my focus. But this opportunity

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gets voices from across the country and
really excited about the conversations that are going

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to happen. And we know Canadians
are struggling now and we're hearing that loud

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and clear. So we as a
government have to determine what are the next

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steps that we're going to take to
ensure that we take Canadians to this challenging

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time. Yeah. So it's not
just a little up, I say.

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No, I'm not saying it's up
and down. I'm saying, listen,

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we always listen to the voice of
Canadians and we want to respond to that.

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I don't focus on the numbers.
I focus on what I'm hearing from

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Canadians across the country and really getting
down to work to ensure that we are

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addressing the concerns that Canadians are voicing, like housing and affordability. So we

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have the team that can tackle this. We absolutely do, and I am

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so confident in this team. Having
said that, we are totally understanding of

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what Canadians are going through and we
look forward to addressing the concerns that they

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are having with practical solutions that are
going to get people through these challenging times.

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It's confidence and the Prime Minister is
shaken right now. Not for me.

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Listen, this Prime Minister has led
us through the most challenging times.

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Look at what we've been through with
COVID, and I have heard from a

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number of my own constituents, but
people across the country that we're very grateful

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for the supports And so for me, I think that our Prime Minister has

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taken us through some of the most
challenging times that this country has faced,

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and I know he's up for the
challenge ahead and I look forward to the

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discussions over the next couple You need
to do, you need to talk up

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your communications game at this point then
I think what we need to work up

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is to focus on the work that
we are doing for Canadians. We have

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to deliver and what that means is
listening to what Canadians are telling us and

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ensure that we are responding to those
very important pressing issues. And I look

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forward to the work. Thanks so
much. Homistocial least subs new measures coming

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on housing and affordability. Last week
you seem to suggest that it's only communications

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that are need to tend crews.
Today on the side of the Conservatives,

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you said we need to say the
course on childcare and these sorts of things.

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Do you need new measures and what
do those new industriess need to beclud

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If I somehow indicated that we didn't
need to do more things to help Canadians

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with affordability issues and surely do more
on things like like housing, then surely

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not my intention. I agree with
Minister Jually and other colleagues who say that

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we need we need to do more
on things like housing and affordability. And

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part of the conversations we will be
having in the coming two days are what

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exactly are are these things that that
we will be doing. As you know,

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the Prime Minister will be making announcement
a little bit later today on housing.

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Is it father criticism that the Liberals
have been slow in getting out a

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plan that perhaps you've been caught flat
footed on housing getting a plan out.

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This is I mean, the housing
crisis has been decades in the making.

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It's not it's nothing. It's nothing
new. Could it could go. It

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could go back to the early nineties
where the federal government decided to stop investing

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in housing and told provinces and territories
that that was their responsibility. We changed

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that when we came in in twenty
fifteen with massive programs and we are we

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are seeing more housing being built,
but but not enough, and we need

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to do more, and certainly the
federal government has an important role to play.

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It's not something we can do by
ourselves. We need to work with

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provinces, we need to work with
municipalities, we need to work with private

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sector. And that's what we're hard
up work doing. Yeah, you know,

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I have a concerted Quanngine adds the
carmate tax is now conversing. It's

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been for some time, for some
time, but certainly we look at the

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bully numbers that that message continues to
gain traction. What do you say the

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Canadians that believe, yeah, lifefordability
or lack of pordability is tied to what

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I'm paying now for hop gating for
gas and progrosries. We when we talk

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about the cost of measures to address
climate change, we we have to realize

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that Canadians are paying a very high
price tag for the impacts of climate change

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in the past few years. We're
talking about tens of billions of dollars and

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that's not accounting for the force fires
we've seen this summer, which we're the

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worst in Canada's history, tens of
thousands of people being being moved from their

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homes, Entire cities had to be
had to be evacuated, floodings in Nova

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Scotia. Just at the end of
winter, we had ice storms in Eastern

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Canada. Climate change is costing Canadians
billions, tens of billions of dollars,

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and we need to act. And
there's no there's no bumper sticker solution to

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climate change. It's hard work.
And we know that carbon pricing is one

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of the best ways to fight climate
change. Say that and I appreciate that,

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but that's here. That's a national
budget. But for people at home,

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it's their monthly but they're they're paying
for that. I mean, if

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it's costing, if it's costing Canada
tens of billions of dollars of climate impacts,

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you don't think people at home are
paying for that one way or the

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other. They are everyone, all
of us are paying for that. And

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we need to put in place measures
so that our kids and grandkids aren't stock

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with a planet that that in some
parts of the world may become unlivable.

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That's what that's what we're doing.
That's what a responsible government needs to do.

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And and yes, they are challenges
with affordability, and we're working very

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hard, which is why, for
example, we're recycling ninety percent of the

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revenues of of carbon pricing directly to
households to help them in this transition to

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a low carbon economy. But it's
going to take some time and hard work

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and and and bumper sticker slogans won't
help us defind climate change. People using

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the wildfires, the climate change,
the impact the climate change will impact how

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much money the federal government can devote
to affordable housing. And is that an

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issue that perhaps because of limited resources, we shouldn't be expecting that much or

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that will limit your bill of sector. This is in hard terms on housing

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an affordability. Certainly, housing and
affordability are top of mind in my community

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and across the country, and at
this caucus we will be definitely having conversations

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about how we can continue to step
up to address affordability issues, things like

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the Canada's child benefit ten dollars day
childcare, making sure that we are there

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for Canadians on housing, and on
on items relating to vulnerability. Our top

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of mind for sure is the power
to the tap about those were having cutbacks

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and department. Well, if you
take a look at the spending review,

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it's fifteen billion dollars over five years
and four billion dollars every year thereafter.

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That relative to the total spend should
not impact our priorities on housing, on

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affordability, on vulnerable Canadians. And
so we're going to continue to be focused

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on those priorities while making sure that
our own fiscal house is in order.

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And that's what all Canadians are doing
right now, and that's what the Government

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of Canada will do. Is the
cauc is shaken right now, is the

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cauc is shaken by the polling numbers. Caucus is very much focused on what

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we need to do to continue to
support Canadians, and that is a very

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distinct difference between us and other parties
in this country that we are focused on

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how we can support Canadians, especially
during difficult times. That's exactly what you

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saw our government do during the pandemic. For example, the procurem of vaccines,

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PPE and rapid tests was about stepping
up to make sure that our country

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had what it need during difficult times. This is exactly what we will continue

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to do during this economic time in
Canada's history. Thank you to change of

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strategy when it comes to count on
Pierpolov. Our focus is on Canadians.

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That's what my focus has been as
MP and minister, and that's what our

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focus I'm sure will continue to be. Thank you so much. The most

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great We're halfway through a mandate.
We've been delivering a lot on behalf of

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Canadians and four Canadians, and there's
still more work to be done. We're

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looking forward to discussing what's going to
happen in the next two years. So

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what do you're making the poll numbers
then pulling goes up, polling goes down.

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I think it's great that Canadians are
being exposed to Pierre Polyev. I

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think that once they start to learn
about who he is, what he's voted

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for, what his values are,
it's going to really shape their opinion of

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him. So I think it's important
that the population that Canadians have access to

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that is the prime minister is still
the best asset for your party. I'm

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really excited to go into the next
election. I'm really excited with the team

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that we have, and that includes
a prime minister obviously, and I think

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I think it's going to be a
really good election. I'm looking forward to

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it. It's there's a clear contrast
between us and the other guys now,

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and I think that Canadians will see
that. Thanks, I gotta get in

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there. Gets. What are your
constituents telling me about affordable housing? What

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do they want to see? The
one if you see more and more housing

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and more construction, and that's a
challenge. We see numbers going down across

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the country and we have to be
there to support, you know, more

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housing and maybe in a way work
better with provinces and cities. Is there

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something a recommendation that would work better
in Quebec than anywhere else? Well,

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faster, better, quicker, that
works everywhere. And this is what we're

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here to discuss. And I have
a full confidence in my colleague Phraser to

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do the job. But do you
think you'll come up with a player?

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Can you have some PI what a
bunch of experts coming to Yeah, And

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we listen to them and we had
many deep discussions about it and we're working

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on it. It's not there's not
a simple, easy solution where you can

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just turn around and you know and
build thousands of of of you know units.

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The objective is to build thousands of
units as soon as possible. But

608
00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:19.320
we have to do it right.
And again, I think we have to

609
00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:22.719
find ways to better work with provinces
and cities. What do you say the

610
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:27.480
people with SPA? But you know, I'm just wondering how you how your

611
00:50:27.559 --> 00:50:30.800
colleagues are feeling right now with the
pulling numbers as they have in this summer.

612
00:50:32.280 --> 00:50:36.280
I mean polls tell part of a
story. We have a lot of

613
00:50:36.320 --> 00:50:42.960
work ahead of us. I think
the work that we have to try to

614
00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:46.639
pull the country together on the big
issues like climate change in housing. Housing

615
00:50:46.719 --> 00:50:50.840
is the current issue. Climate change
hasn't gone away. We're looking looking at

616
00:50:50.920 --> 00:50:54.000
what's going on with the weather events
in Morocco now, the forest fires in

617
00:50:54.119 --> 00:50:59.599
Canada all summer. We have to
focus on the work that we have to

618
00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:05.880
do and hopefully Canadians will see the
work coming through and that we're delivering results.

619
00:51:05.960 --> 00:51:08.639
And hopefully we are delivering results and
that'll show weapon polls at some point,

620
00:51:08.760 --> 00:51:14.320
But we start chasing polls around the
room, we're not doing the work

621
00:51:14.360 --> 00:51:16.320
that we need to do. I'm
wondering, though, if there's a level

622
00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:22.199
dissatisfaction or concern right now, though, No, I mean the concern is

623
00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:24.239
we've got to solve the problems that
we have on the table in front of

624
00:51:24.360 --> 00:51:29.519
us, and that's our responsibility.
People can talk about the problems, people

625
00:51:29.559 --> 00:51:32.800
can talk about their opinions of the
problems, but our responsibility is to find

626
00:51:32.840 --> 00:51:38.199
solutions to the problems and get the
governments working together on housing with the stakeholders,

627
00:51:38.320 --> 00:51:43.400
make sure that we land on the
right place there. Climate change isn't

628
00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:46.960
going away, and I sit on
the Environment Committee and looking at the new

629
00:51:47.320 --> 00:51:51.760
Environmental Protection Act measures that we're going
to be working on this fall. We've

630
00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:54.599
got a lot of work to do
that we are doing, and at some

631
00:51:54.719 --> 00:51:58.079
point we look up at the scoreboard. But right now we're in the middle

632
00:51:58.079 --> 00:52:00.679
of a game that we have to
win at this point. Though, you

633
00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:04.360
know, I just came from Quebec
City. Listen conservatives and for them it's

634
00:52:04.440 --> 00:52:07.079
you know, they do talk about
housing, but it's also affordability and that

635
00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:09.719
goes to the carbon tax. What
do you make of the affordability issue for

636
00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:13.079
as for them, if you get
rid of the carbon tax, you make

637
00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:16.599
things more affordable for Canadians across the
boards. For people that say that they're

638
00:52:16.639 --> 00:52:22.599
business people, they don't act like
business people. Sometimes the carbon price that

639
00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:27.159
we have also has a rebate,
and they never talk about the other side

640
00:52:27.199 --> 00:52:30.840
of the ledger. So what we
have done is put in a measure to

641
00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:35.920
incent people to reduce the use of
carbon. And if they reduce the use

642
00:52:35.960 --> 00:52:38.440
of carbon, then the incentive payment
that they come get coming back to them

643
00:52:38.519 --> 00:52:43.079
they get to keep. If they
keep using carbon, they have to that

644
00:52:43.599 --> 00:52:49.960
incentive payment doesn't go to anywhere other
than paying for more carbon. So really,

645
00:52:50.199 --> 00:52:53.960
the market based solutions that we put
in for reducing the use of carbon

646
00:52:54.320 --> 00:52:59.599
is something that we're firm on because
they make sense and they make economic sense.

647
00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:05.760
I come from business. I know
when you focus on the areas that

648
00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:13.199
you're spending your money on. You
will get results based on where you're putting

649
00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:19.079
the proper investments. So we are
investing in reducing the use of carbon and

650
00:53:19.320 --> 00:53:25.559
we're doing that in a way that
also doesn't have a solid impact on individual

651
00:53:25.679 --> 00:53:30.559
Canadians. So you know, listening
to that, and I think about the

652
00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:35.280
Conservative messaging very consistent since Pierre Plov
became leader. Acts the tax, acts

653
00:53:35.400 --> 00:53:38.119
attacks, right, So that so
is this do you think the part of

654
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:42.840
the challenge for the liberals is policy? Part of it communication? Where do

655
00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:45.679
you see the issue right now?
Like we've got the right policy. When

656
00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:51.639
you go up against acts, the
tax it's a bumper sticker. We can't

657
00:53:51.679 --> 00:53:54.920
rule by bumper stickers. We have
to put in good policy. And when

658
00:53:54.960 --> 00:53:58.760
you look at what's going on with
the climate right now, it's not going

659
00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:01.760
to solve itself. It's something that
we have to have good government policy on

660
00:54:01.880 --> 00:54:08.760
all levels to fight the climate crisis
that we're in. And it's unfortunate that

661
00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:15.079
the discussion isn't at the right level
from the other side, where they don't

662
00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:20.559
even agree that there is a climate
crisis. At some point they need to

663
00:54:20.639 --> 00:54:22.559
wake up and see that we are
in a climate crisis and we need good

664
00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:27.679
policy. If they can suggest better
ideas, we need to discuss those.

665
00:54:27.800 --> 00:54:30.360
But acts the tax isn't one of
those good ideas. Do you think the

666
00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:36.400
leadership of the prime ministers I question
right now? No, No, I

667
00:54:36.519 --> 00:54:40.599
think we've got a strong leader that's
taking a lot of flack because there are

668
00:54:40.599 --> 00:54:46.800
a lot of issues that we need
to deal with and when you're in a

669
00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:51.280
leadership position, you're the one that
takes the flack. But the team is

670
00:54:51.360 --> 00:54:54.599
working together to try and get to
a better place in terms of coming out

671
00:54:54.639 --> 00:55:00.000
of COVID, dealing with the COVID
wave that we'll deal with this fall that

672
00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:05.760
hasn't gone away, and then at
the same time, get us through the

673
00:55:07.199 --> 00:55:10.559
higher interest rate area where we are
right now, so that we can get

674
00:55:10.599 --> 00:55:15.920
inflation back to where it needs to
be. And so the Bank Accounada is

675
00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:22.119
doing what they need to do to
get inflation down and we need to make

676
00:55:22.199 --> 00:55:28.079
the adjustments to help vulnerable Canadians get
through the inflation cycle that we're in right

677
00:55:28.119 --> 00:55:30.519
now. Lord, thanks to the
time. Yeah, you're a hook.

678
00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:35.400
Do you have a good There's a
small group of demonstrators that were outside the

679
00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:37.559
hotel circling around last night the police
came there letting a fire away was the

680
00:55:37.599 --> 00:55:42.119
skywalks new papers. You can't see
MP's walking across the front doors locked.

681
00:55:43.119 --> 00:55:45.840
What do you think of that?
That's how you're having to hold your as

682
00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:52.239
well. I think it's it's kind
of unfortunate that that's the angle of democratic

683
00:55:52.320 --> 00:55:54.800
right that some people are taking.
But it's their right to do it,

684
00:55:55.639 --> 00:56:00.079
you know, and so we business
will go on, you know. I

685
00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:05.519
think that I was in Ottawa,
of course during the occupation of the downtown

686
00:56:06.320 --> 00:56:09.400
and uh, you know, we
we can't forget that that was finally resolved,

687
00:56:09.440 --> 00:56:15.440
you know, with pretty much nobody
getting hurt or anything else. It's

688
00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:19.239
it's it's a funny aspect of democracy
that we've actually lived with for a very

689
00:56:19.360 --> 00:56:22.519
very long time, and and it
happens now. How are you feeling about

690
00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:25.760
the State Party right now? Pretty
good? Actually, you know, the

691
00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:32.920
fundamentals are all there. I think
probably the focus of some of our discussions,

692
00:56:32.920 --> 00:56:37.119
at least the focus I will want
to bring to it is really it's

693
00:56:37.159 --> 00:56:40.800
really focus. You know. If
you count up all of the things in

694
00:56:40.880 --> 00:56:46.119
the minister's mandates, there's about seven
hundred and thirty different things that these ministers

695
00:56:46.159 --> 00:56:50.880
are responsible for accomplishing. Well,
we can't talk about them all. So

696
00:56:50.960 --> 00:56:52.559
if we can't talk about the ball, what do we talk about? What

697
00:56:52.679 --> 00:56:57.599
are the what are the priorities?
And this again is where people like me

698
00:56:57.719 --> 00:57:00.039
who are at street level will tell
the party, well, this is what

699
00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:04.480
I'm hearing from the street. These
are the things that are are most bothering

700
00:57:04.519 --> 00:57:08.400
our constituents. And so it's a
double side of thing. What have we

701
00:57:08.519 --> 00:57:12.800
done and more importantly, what are
we prepared to do? That's that's really

702
00:57:12.840 --> 00:57:16.440
what we need to talk about about. Focus about what the do. No,

703
00:57:16.559 --> 00:57:21.880
we're not looking for direction, We're
going to give direction, is it?

704
00:57:22.960 --> 00:57:27.719
And affordability measures? Well, I
think that that's clearly the you know,

705
00:57:28.280 --> 00:57:31.920
the main focus. And in that
regard, I think that the new

706
00:57:31.960 --> 00:57:37.119
minister Sean Fraser uh. I mean
I saw very firsthand what he did at

707
00:57:37.320 --> 00:57:40.719
immigration. Uh. This guy's got
what it takes I think to come up

708
00:57:40.760 --> 00:57:45.000
with maybe something a little disruptive,
but certainly something that's going to change it.

709
00:57:45.880 --> 00:57:51.519
Do you see this as a policy
challenge for the party or a communication

710
00:57:51.679 --> 00:57:54.119
challenge? I think it's it's always
a bit of both. You have to

711
00:57:54.199 --> 00:58:00.679
assess what we're doing versus what the
public wants and verse is what they think

712
00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:06.199
they're getting. And sometimes where you
know the miss there's a misunderstanding, you've

713
00:58:06.199 --> 00:58:08.280
got to get out and talk to
them or consult with some more bolls.

714
00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:13.400
But where there's a policy, and
I'll use gun control as an example,

715
00:58:13.840 --> 00:58:16.239
that's a policy where a lot of
folks are are offside with the government.

716
00:58:16.800 --> 00:58:20.840
But that's a policy gap we're not
going to close. We firmly believe that

717
00:58:20.920 --> 00:58:23.960
certain weapons don't belong in the hands
of civilians and that's that. And those

718
00:58:24.000 --> 00:58:29.079
folks can vote with their with their
ballot the next time around. Should the

719
00:58:29.239 --> 00:58:32.800
should the government be more aggressive or
choudge his strategy When it comes to countering

720
00:58:34.000 --> 00:58:38.960
Ter Polio, well, I mean
he did this summer what mister Trudeau did

721
00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:44.199
back in the summer of twenty fourteen
out talking to people. Big difference is

722
00:58:44.320 --> 00:58:51.239
we didn't have to spend three million
dollars to burnish mister Trudeau's reputation. He

723
00:58:51.400 --> 00:58:53.800
has. Mister Polio has a three
million dollar cote of paint, but it's

724
00:58:53.920 --> 00:58:59.239
very thin. He's left better part
of twenty years of very very toxic behavior.

725
00:58:59.239 --> 00:59:02.360
You should go back and watch how
he treated Jean Cherai during the leadership

726
00:59:02.400 --> 00:59:09.440
convention for the Conservatives. This is
a person that if you really really do

727
00:59:09.639 --> 00:59:14.400
know him, reasonable people will have
serious questions. Was it a mistake to

728
00:59:14.480 --> 00:59:16.559
let the Liberals allows to Paul?
You have to put that three million dollars

729
00:59:16.599 --> 00:59:20.480
up by out not trying to find
him before he got the chance to find

730
00:59:20.559 --> 00:59:22.920
himself. I don't think so.
I mean, that's just me as an

731
00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:28.360
ext media communication guy for many many
years before this. You know, you

732
00:59:28.519 --> 00:59:31.679
have to respect his right to have
his say. But the thing is that

733
00:59:32.159 --> 00:59:37.920
his reputation, his background will actually
reveal the truth about who he is.

734
00:59:38.239 --> 00:59:40.199
All Right, there you go,
Thank you, thank you very much.

735
00:59:40.400 --> 00:59:44.559
I'm okay. How are you.
How you're feeling getting into box today and

736
00:59:44.559 --> 00:59:46.880
what you've been hearing on the doorsteps
throughout the summer. I'm feeling good.

737
00:59:46.920 --> 00:59:51.440
It's great to see all of my
colleagues again. We separate like seeds of

738
00:59:51.480 --> 00:59:54.239
a dandelion at the end of the
spring, and coming together is really nice

739
00:59:54.280 --> 00:59:58.800
to be able to connect and here
about what people are thinking about what they're

740
00:59:58.800 --> 01:00:04.199
working on the doors. I've been
hearing largely about climate change, about some

741
01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:07.760
of the things people are talking about
costs of living. Of course, people

742
01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:10.320
are really scared about climate though.
I can tell you right now I've been

743
01:00:10.360 --> 01:00:14.000
working with First Nations a lot,
as you know in my role, and

744
01:00:14.239 --> 01:00:20.280
the majority of evacuees are indeed indigenous
people. Their homes, their communities,

745
01:00:20.320 --> 01:00:23.519
their land is under threat. And
so underneath all that fear is this like

746
01:00:23.760 --> 01:00:29.800
steady thrum of what's happening with our
climate? And how are we as Canadians

747
01:00:29.920 --> 01:00:32.440
going to be not just part of
the solution, but prepared for whatever comes

748
01:00:32.519 --> 01:00:37.519
next. What do you make then, of the pulling lead that the Conservatives

749
01:00:37.519 --> 01:00:42.000
have right now based on issues like
affordability and inflation and the carbon tax.

750
01:00:42.480 --> 01:00:45.800
Like listen, I'm not expert at
pulling, and I would suspect that the

751
01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:49.320
way that you ask questions are the
kinds of answers that you get. But

752
01:00:49.400 --> 01:00:54.320
I will say this that underneath all
of those concerns lies this deep anxiety about

753
01:00:54.320 --> 01:00:58.440
what's happening with our climate. And
when we talk about food prices, of

754
01:00:58.519 --> 01:01:01.519
course, you know, the conservative
they're talking about a price on pollution as

755
01:01:01.679 --> 01:01:06.199
one of the only driver of the
increased costs of foods. But we know

756
01:01:06.280 --> 01:01:09.440
that's not true. In fact,
entire areas, arid areas are getting wiped

757
01:01:09.440 --> 01:01:14.039
out as a result of the kinds
of threats that we're seeing to the ability

758
01:01:14.119 --> 01:01:16.000
for farmers to grow. I was
out of West and Saskatchewan with James Smith

759
01:01:16.079 --> 01:01:21.559
create their aquifers are drying up.
They are unable to figure out what to

760
01:01:21.639 --> 01:01:24.119
do when the aquifers that feed their
own community source water. That's how the

761
01:01:24.159 --> 01:01:29.719
conversation started dry up. But they
also talked about the agriculture, and many

762
01:01:29.760 --> 01:01:34.159
of them are involved in agriculture and
pursuits, and you can't water your plants

763
01:01:34.920 --> 01:01:37.440
if you don't have any water,
and so you know, we're seeing this

764
01:01:37.639 --> 01:01:42.480
compounding challenge of dealing with climate change, and so I think, to be

765
01:01:42.639 --> 01:01:46.239
honest, this is a critical moment
for Canada, for Canadians, and for

766
01:01:46.320 --> 01:01:50.360
all of us to pull together to
figure out not only what we're going to

767
01:01:50.440 --> 01:01:52.639
do to be part of a global
effort to reduce our emissions, but also

768
01:01:52.719 --> 01:01:57.000
how we're going to keep our community
safe and ready for whatever comes next.

769
01:02:06.599 --> 01:02:09.559
Those members, well, I think
we can't forget about those extraordinary and compounding

770
01:02:09.639 --> 01:02:14.239
costs for sure, because not only
are they expensive for individuals, and for

771
01:02:14.320 --> 01:02:17.840
businesses. I talked about agriculture,
but there's lots of other businesses lumber,

772
01:02:17.880 --> 01:02:22.639
for example, and the forestry sector
is being, you know, very hard

773
01:02:22.719 --> 01:02:29.360
hit by the vast volume of forests
that's that's been burned this summer. But

774
01:02:29.480 --> 01:02:31.159
I think we also have to keep
costs on the mounting. We have to

775
01:02:31.239 --> 01:02:36.440
keep track of the mounting costs of
responding to climate emergencies. So in my

776
01:02:36.559 --> 01:02:38.920
own department, for example, through
the Emergency Management program. You know,

777
01:02:38.960 --> 01:02:42.880
I don't have the number now,
but it's hundreds of millions of dollars that

778
01:02:42.920 --> 01:02:46.599
have been spent this year alone just
responding to helping people get out of the

779
01:02:46.679 --> 01:02:51.800
way of disasters. And then on
top of that, when you factor in

780
01:02:52.039 --> 01:02:54.079
you know what the costs will be
to rebuild. We're taught we're hearing from

781
01:02:54.119 --> 01:02:59.280
insurance companies here in Canada now that
are saying maybe they won't insure anymore,

782
01:02:59.360 --> 01:03:04.480
and specific garius for specific disasters,
everybody's insurance is going to go up.

783
01:03:04.679 --> 01:03:07.840
So I think we can't think about
it in a piecemeal way. We have

784
01:03:07.000 --> 01:03:12.840
to be thinking more broadly about how
we're going to as a country wrapper heads

785
01:03:12.880 --> 01:03:15.519
around the fact that as Elizabeth May
says, even if we were to stop

786
01:03:15.599 --> 01:03:20.960
all admitting right now, we'll see
a decade of difficult weather. Mister cler

787
01:03:21.079 --> 01:03:22.960
is well ahead of mister Truder right
now. Do you think you've underestimated in

788
01:03:23.000 --> 01:03:29.719
the locals rudestimating, mister, I
don't underestimate anyone. Every battle is a

789
01:03:29.760 --> 01:03:31.679
battle. That's what politics is.
It's a battle of ideas, and it's

790
01:03:31.719 --> 01:03:35.519
a battle of vision, and it's
a battle of passion. Thank you everyone,

791
01:03:36.639 --> 01:03:37.280
you know. I guess first of
all us, how are you and

792
01:03:37.320 --> 01:03:40.719
your colleagues feeling right now? Given
the polling numbers that you've seen this summer.

793
01:03:42.360 --> 01:03:47.119
We've had a good summer. I
think that the Prime Minister has traveled,

794
01:03:47.159 --> 01:03:50.679
been at home, he's been listening. I've been listening in my writing.

795
01:03:51.079 --> 01:03:53.320
And people have concerns. I mean
there's cost of livings concerns, there's

796
01:03:53.599 --> 01:03:58.960
housing attainability concerns. Now we hear
that, but I think people also know

797
01:03:59.039 --> 01:04:01.559
these are long term fixed and they're
going to watch for us. What do

798
01:04:01.639 --> 01:04:05.079
you say right now? Though?
To the Canadians who have answered those polsters

799
01:04:05.199 --> 01:04:10.440
basically expressing that they don't believe the
Liberals are the party to have the solution

800
01:04:10.480 --> 01:04:15.320
on those issues, I would say
we're ready to listen to them, and

801
01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:17.960
we're ready to find new ways to
engage and we'll keep doing it. Week

802
01:04:17.960 --> 01:04:21.239
done some things around when your party
when it comes to that, how can

803
01:04:21.239 --> 01:04:25.840
you poles are up and down?
I mean I've been I've been in the

804
01:04:25.880 --> 01:04:30.199
game a long time, and I've
seen governments have high ratings and low ratings.

805
01:04:30.280 --> 01:04:34.400
I've seen people get distressed. In
my job, I get to travel

806
01:04:34.519 --> 01:04:40.800
the world and I see world phenomena
and I see the reality is at cost

807
01:04:40.880 --> 01:04:46.039
of living, interest rates, affordability
are issues in many Western countries, and

808
01:04:46.119 --> 01:04:50.400
I think we will keep saying when
you look at the alternatives we provide,

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the best alternate is your party doing
a good enough job communicating that though I

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can always do better, we can
always do better. Little se measures include

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all affordability and posings. I think
that we have to find ways to help

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Canadians. We've had the largest transfer
of income to poorer families to the Canada

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Child Benefit of any government ever.
We'll continue to use imagination. We'll figure

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out something. Watch. Thanks,
How are you guys feeling with the late

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recent round of polling numbers, employee
numbers and polling numbers. Listen, We're

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gonna have a lot of discussions around
what we stand for, what we're gonna

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do going forward, remaining positive in
terms of the initials that we're taking.

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I get the opposition is trying to
frame it in a very negative way,

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and that's your job, but it
seems as though they want things to be

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broken, they want seems to be
angry. And I'm newly elected. Really,

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I've only been there a number of
months now, and I'm very positive

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about the things I'm doing and certainly
the resectional I'm getting at home and I

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want to make a difference and i
want to provide value, and that's what

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I think my collar is won as
well. So final thoughts. I was

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in there as having coffee with a
friend of mine and we were talking about

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hate, the state of what's what's
going on, what you know, trying

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to get people to focus a little
more than just simply paycheck to paycheck and

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excuse me. She brought up a
point of how we need to actually stay

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grateful for what it is that we
do have and stop focusing on what we

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don't have if we want to find
ourselves with more abundance in our life that

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we have to actually focus on the
things that we have and be grateful for

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the things that that we that we
do have, that we that we do

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have the food we need, we
have the vehicle we need, and we

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have the home we need. And
when we start focusing on the idea of

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how we can be grateful for what
it is that we do have, that

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we also focus on how do we
keep it and how do we keep those

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feelings up and how we learn how
to work with the system so that we

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can protect those things that we love. Thank you for listening today, even

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listening to policy and right to your
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