WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:10.839 This is Travis Walton and you are listening to UFO Headquarters. Beautiful headquarters, 2 00:00:14.240 --> 00:00:19.280 and good evening everybody, listeners, far and wide, near and close wherever 3 00:00:19.320 --> 00:00:22.199 you may be on this big round planet of ours. Linda, good evening. 4 00:00:23.239 --> 00:00:26.839 What a wonderful introduction. How are you? I don't know why I 5 00:00:26.879 --> 00:00:30.879 come up with them. I sometimes, um, you know I would. 6 00:00:31.120 --> 00:00:37.520 I think we should probably tell our listeners that beginning January the the programs here 7 00:00:37.600 --> 00:00:41.359 through Hudson River Radio are going to be podcast only, whether it's through their 8 00:00:41.479 --> 00:00:46.479 their Hudson Pair of Radio site or on any of their favorite podcasts platforms. 9 00:00:46.640 --> 00:00:50.240 So we're not going to be doing live programs anymore. Tonight we are live 10 00:00:50.679 --> 00:00:55.920 and in person. I think so, Yes, I think I think we 11 00:00:55.960 --> 00:01:00.280 are. It'll be the same great content. It'll just be um, not 12 00:01:00.280 --> 00:01:03.480 not a live program, but still be exciting information people won't want to miss. 13 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:10.200 There you go, all right, different the same great content, different 14 00:01:10.560 --> 00:01:18.959 packaging. Yes, yes, excellent. Well we have one of my favorite 15 00:01:18.959 --> 00:01:25.799 and most intriguing cases tonight, the Father Gil New Guinea case. But before 16 00:01:25.840 --> 00:01:30.040 we do that, I've been getting some wonderful letters. Thank you everyone. 17 00:01:30.319 --> 00:01:34.640 I love getting these letters. When they're when they're positive, they say nice 18 00:01:34.680 --> 00:01:40.879 things. But when I was on coast to coast in July, I think 19 00:01:40.879 --> 00:01:46.400 it was I had mentioned something about a rectangular craft. The people were seeing 20 00:01:46.400 --> 00:01:52.359 it look like kind of a glass bottom boat, very bizarre effect, and 21 00:01:52.719 --> 00:01:59.760 so Bill in Texas wrote this, So I just I think I should just 22 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:05.480 read this case. It's it's fascinating. The main reason I write is because 23 00:02:05.640 --> 00:02:10.159 you are the only one to describe what I saw one evening around nine thirty 24 00:02:10.159 --> 00:02:17.520 PM in the sky over Houston in nineteen ninety five. Being an FAA certified 25 00:02:17.639 --> 00:02:25.719 aircraft mechanic, there's a good credential impressive. I have a penchant for aviation 26 00:02:25.879 --> 00:02:32.360 technology. But that night I was working on a stubborn patio gate latch when 27 00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:39.000 I saw what looked like a huge, beautiful blue aquarium lie from my right 28 00:02:39.360 --> 00:02:45.800 across in front of me at about a twelve o'clock position. It was a 29 00:02:45.879 --> 00:02:54.719 mesmerizing greenish blue about the size of an aircraft carrier. Wow. Yeah, 30 00:02:54.759 --> 00:03:01.800 rectangular in shape. Here we go with the bizarre rectangles and internally lighted. 31 00:03:02.400 --> 00:03:07.919 It flew in a straight line, first through the clear night sky and then 32 00:03:07.960 --> 00:03:13.560 a cloud bank at about five thousand feet and then through the clear sky again 33 00:03:13.840 --> 00:03:19.080 without dimming or changing its brightness. Then it blinked out. It did not 34 00:03:19.360 --> 00:03:23.840 fade away or dart in a different direction. It just blinked out. I 35 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:29.639 stood immobile, hoping it would return, but it did not. The sighting 36 00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:35.039 only lasted a few seconds, four or five, and he says, eliminating 37 00:03:35.039 --> 00:03:42.039 the possibilities of a searchlight or drone or human origin again, drones ninety five 38 00:03:43.159 --> 00:03:46.840 size of aircraft carriers. No, he said. I was sure it would 39 00:03:46.879 --> 00:03:52.599 have been seen by many, but not the case. Only one man in 40 00:03:52.639 --> 00:03:57.599 a hot tub thirty miles north of me reported it when I called the TV 41 00:03:57.800 --> 00:04:02.120 station. I still think of it every time I hear the words you f 42 00:04:02.439 --> 00:04:12.439 Oh, that's what a great account it is, and so chilling because he 43 00:04:12.520 --> 00:04:15.480 echoes so much of what we hear from people. He thinks about it every 44 00:04:15.639 --> 00:04:24.480 that life altering aspect that people who experiences seem to report very consistently. Yeah, 45 00:04:24.519 --> 00:04:28.519 just a few seconds change the rest of your life. And I'm trying 46 00:04:28.560 --> 00:04:32.240 to imagine, you know, something the size of an aircraft carrier, how 47 00:04:32.480 --> 00:04:39.199 immense blows my mind? Right, I don't know what that I'm trying to 48 00:04:39.279 --> 00:04:42.680 picture it and I can't. I mean, I would love to see it. 49 00:04:42.720 --> 00:04:46.240 I just th right right, yeah, that like a giant aquarium. 50 00:04:46.319 --> 00:04:50.639 I mean, I love his description and the fact that he is an FAA 51 00:04:50.879 --> 00:04:58.560 certified mechanic. He knows aircraft, and if it had been something conventional, 52 00:04:58.959 --> 00:05:01.920 I'm sure he would have been able to identify it. But even the cloud 53 00:05:01.959 --> 00:05:05.959 bank at five thousand feet, I'm like, I love, I love eyewitness 54 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:13.519 accounts, like, give me more, be technical, be concise, but 55 00:05:13.959 --> 00:05:18.199 and then so descriptive as well. And but there was one other witness I 56 00:05:18.279 --> 00:05:23.839 love that, a man in a hot down thirty miles north. So very 57 00:05:24.160 --> 00:05:27.879 very compelling eyewitness account though, I'm, like you said, very well written 58 00:05:27.959 --> 00:05:31.000 and explained. I mean, hm, I was picturing it as he's you're 59 00:05:31.040 --> 00:05:36.319 described. Yeah yeah, so even what is that? Twenty seven years later 60 00:05:36.759 --> 00:05:44.240 and he still thinks of it and can describe it so well. So keep 61 00:05:44.279 --> 00:05:47.160 those cards and letters coming in, folks, because I love your accounts. 62 00:05:47.199 --> 00:05:53.199 I really appreciate when people take the time, um, you know, because 63 00:05:53.759 --> 00:05:57.480 it's it's you and us, you and me talking here, and it's nice 64 00:05:57.519 --> 00:06:02.720 to get the feedback of of people. So Brian, why don't we take 65 00:06:02.759 --> 00:06:10.759 our first break, and we will be right back with Father Gil. Hudson 66 00:06:10.879 --> 00:06:17.120 River Radio dot Com. Hudson River Radio dot Com a subsidiary of Glacier Entertainment 67 00:06:17.120 --> 00:06:26.680 called LC blasting the competition in New York's Hudson Valley, and we are back 68 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:30.079 here, Linda. I know you're going to be talking tonight about one of 69 00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:32.399 your favorite cases, the Father Gil experience, and I admit this is not 70 00:06:32.439 --> 00:06:36.199 what I know much about. I familiar with a little bit of the basics. 71 00:06:36.319 --> 00:06:40.839 I'm looking forward to this tonight because I know I'm going to learn a 72 00:06:40.839 --> 00:06:45.639 couple of things also, so I can't wait to dive into this tonight. 73 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:50.480 Yeah, this is I consider it. I guess if I had to make 74 00:06:50.519 --> 00:06:56.759 a list of top five sightings, this would be in it. And that's 75 00:06:56.839 --> 00:07:00.839 that's saying a lot, because there's been so many extraordinary things as we've covered. 76 00:07:00.920 --> 00:07:05.120 So we are going on the other side of the earth, way back 77 00:07:05.199 --> 00:07:11.439 to nineteen fifty nine, June twenty six, twenty seventh, nineteen fifty nine. 78 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:16.920 At the I'm probably going to butcher this bow and I mission in Papua 79 00:07:17.279 --> 00:07:24.279 New Guinea. Ever have any desire to go to that corner of the world. 80 00:07:25.040 --> 00:07:28.720 No, a little too remote, a little too hot, a little 81 00:07:28.759 --> 00:07:31.480 too hot, definitely hot and human. Not Nordic enough, not Nordic at 82 00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:39.120 all, not enough. No, so you can imagine Papua New Guinea in 83 00:07:39.199 --> 00:07:47.439 the fifties, probably very dark skies, like very so. This is when 84 00:07:47.480 --> 00:07:51.519 you have one good eye witness like we just had with Bill and Texas, 85 00:07:53.399 --> 00:07:59.240 it makes for a good story. This is a case with thirty eight witnesses, 86 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:05.040 and the primary one who spoke out and took notes and made sketches was 87 00:08:05.079 --> 00:08:11.000 a thirty one year old Australian. He was an Anglican missionary at the mission, 88 00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:18.680 Father William booth Gill, which everyone just refers to as Father Gil. 89 00:08:18.399 --> 00:08:24.519 So the mission was a church and a school, and it was in the 90 00:08:24.680 --> 00:08:30.439 hills above good Enough Bay. It's spelled good Enough, so I assume that's 91 00:08:30.480 --> 00:08:33.960 how it's pronounced. If it's not, send me, send me those cards 92 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:41.240 and letters correcting me. And it's the evening of June twenty sixth and Father 93 00:08:41.320 --> 00:08:48.120 Gill is on the lawn of the mission house and he's admiring how bright Venus 94 00:08:48.279 --> 00:08:54.039 is. And again I think things that are bright in our night sky or 95 00:08:54.039 --> 00:08:58.799 doubly bright in a New Guinea sky in the fifties. But then he sees 96 00:09:00.039 --> 00:09:03.799 another light and this is the first thing. This will be important later on 97 00:09:05.440 --> 00:09:09.720 when the skeptics come in. He's admiring Venus, but then says, wait, 98 00:09:09.879 --> 00:09:13.720 what is that other light? And it's getting closer, and it's around 99 00:09:13.879 --> 00:09:18.679 dusk, and he yells for others to come out to see something strange is 100 00:09:20.519 --> 00:09:26.879 coming their way. So students, staff teachers, thirty eight of them. 101 00:09:28.840 --> 00:09:33.759 That's a good size. That's a good size crowd. This light, as 102 00:09:33.799 --> 00:09:41.200 it's getting closer, changed from a bright white to a yellow to an orange, 103 00:09:41.600 --> 00:09:45.480 and then they realize it's not just a light. This is a solid 104 00:09:45.720 --> 00:09:52.799 object. It is a large circular craft that got within two to three hundred 105 00:09:52.919 --> 00:09:58.720 feet. He described us, and he wrote he did this great sketch. 106 00:09:58.840 --> 00:10:03.440 If you saw my Poe posting on the Facebook pages for announcing tonight's show, 107 00:10:05.200 --> 00:10:09.519 or you can just look up father Gil sketches. There were two sets of 108 00:10:09.759 --> 00:10:15.559 legs on the bottom of this craft. They looked like fixed legs. That's 109 00:10:16.120 --> 00:10:20.480 doesn't sound like something that would be racing through space with fixed legs, but 110 00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:30.879 what do I know? There was It was a wider section below. He 111 00:10:30.960 --> 00:10:37.320 described it as from his perspective and distance, it was the width of five 112 00:10:37.600 --> 00:10:43.360 full moons. So that's that's pretty sub He's not looking at a spec No, 113 00:10:43.840 --> 00:10:50.480 he's looking at a substantial object from the top. Is a very thin, 114 00:10:50.919 --> 00:10:56.600 intense blue light beaming up out of the top of this object at a 115 00:10:56.639 --> 00:11:01.600 forty five degree angle, and it's metallic. It is, as they said, 116 00:11:01.720 --> 00:11:09.840 circular, kind of a disc shaped with another section to it. Pretty 117 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:16.840 amazing, and thirty eight people are standing there seeing this. So so I 118 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:22.600 have a several quotes from Father Gil himself. He says, as we watched, 119 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:30.000 men came out of this object. Not little green men, not aliens. 120 00:11:30.720 --> 00:11:35.360 Men came out of this object, four men in all. There was 121 00:11:35.480 --> 00:11:39.919 a raised section. He said. They were standing behind a railing at the 122 00:11:39.960 --> 00:11:46.000 top of the craft, like a viewing platform, so he could only see 123 00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:50.279 them from the waist up. Now this he didn't think they were. He 124 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:56.080 said they looked human. He thought this was you know, I'm jumping the 125 00:11:56.120 --> 00:12:01.559 gun. But he thought some American or Australian technology. So they're not scared. 126 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:07.519 They're not panicking. They're like, whoa, what what is this new 127 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:13.120 craft? They're lying here in New Guinea. But this is fascinating from so 128 00:12:13.240 --> 00:12:20.000 a seasoned. From the waist up, there was a curious halo which outlined 129 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:26.600 them, following every contour of their figures, like something you'd see in assigned 130 00:12:26.720 --> 00:12:35.159 fiction movie, like a force field around them. Very strange, but again 131 00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:43.840 amazing detail. They're able to see so as in bills in Texas. His 132 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:50.759 four or five second sighting changed his life. That night, they witnessed this 133 00:12:50.919 --> 00:13:00.679 craft for four hours. I mean, I don't know that I've come across 134 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:09.200 any other sighting for that duration. Four hours. This craft just sat in 135 00:13:09.240 --> 00:13:16.879 the sky again. Fathergil thirty seven student staff, teachers and Father Gil says 136 00:13:16.960 --> 00:13:22.639 that two of the men appeared to be setting up some sort of apparatus, 137 00:13:24.279 --> 00:13:28.480 moving their arms over their head like they're setting up something. They were not 138 00:13:28.639 --> 00:13:35.960 so interested in. Father Gill and his people as working on whatever equipment this 139 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:43.639 is so so they're so close. Father Gil said he got an idea and 140 00:13:43.840 --> 00:13:50.080 his quote, I stretched my arm above my head and waved. To our 141 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:58.000 surprise, the figures did the same. They waved back. All of the 142 00:13:58.039 --> 00:14:03.799 mission boys. The students made audible gasps of either joy or surprise, or 143 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:15.320 perhaps both. That's yeah, a direct response. Whatever this was, you're 144 00:14:15.360 --> 00:14:20.559 waving at them, they're waving back. Yeah, some life altering moments there. 145 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:28.240 So Gil realizes he needs to document this as it's happening. So he 146 00:14:28.360 --> 00:14:33.679 told one of the students, Eric Codawara, run and get a paper and 147 00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:39.000 pencil, because he wants to write down everything he's seeing. He wants to 148 00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:43.519 sketch it, not from memory, but as he's looking at it. So 149 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:46.759 this guy's on the ball here. Of course, when you have four hours, 150 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:54.240 you don't have a ten seconds, right, you have the luxury. 151 00:14:54.559 --> 00:14:58.960 So he tells him also to get a flashlight. So as Eric's running back, 152 00:15:00.919 --> 00:15:05.639 he shines the flashlight on the craft and he starts waving the flashlight back 153 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:16.559 and forth. The craft responds by swaying back and forth. Again direct response, 154 00:15:16.440 --> 00:15:20.120 does it really get any better? Not really? No, no, 155 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:28.360 And then the craft took off across the bay. But here's some other quotes. 156 00:15:28.840 --> 00:15:33.919 I listened to a lot of his father, Gill's interviews which he did 157 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:37.840 later on in life, and some things he had written down right away. 158 00:15:39.600 --> 00:15:43.320 This is perfect. Can you imagine what it's like to look up in the 159 00:15:43.360 --> 00:15:50.159 sky and see a totally foreign object just hovering, not very high up maybe 160 00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:58.840 two to three hundred feet, glowing and two bipods jutting out underneath and sparkling 161 00:15:58.960 --> 00:16:03.879 all around, and some figures up there, this solid looking object in figures 162 00:16:04.399 --> 00:16:11.440 walking about on the top, and not the slightest noise whatsoever. Are we 163 00:16:11.480 --> 00:16:18.639 surprised that it was silent? No, no, not at all, And 164 00:16:18.759 --> 00:16:23.279 so we waved. Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could get this object down 165 00:16:23.519 --> 00:16:29.679 onto the playing field? And as we waved, wondering whether we'd get some 166 00:16:29.759 --> 00:16:36.320 recognition and perhaps they would understand what we wanted, they waved back. So 167 00:16:36.440 --> 00:16:42.000 in addition to waving, their shouting and their their motioning, land we want, 168 00:16:42.600 --> 00:16:51.440 we want to meet you. So this isn't a bunch of scared people 169 00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:56.720 running in terror and hiding. Yeah, I get them credit. They were 170 00:16:56.720 --> 00:17:03.000 pretty brave. Yeah there, but again they're not thinking alien spacecraft and maybe 171 00:17:03.039 --> 00:17:15.480 it wasn't there again thinking human technology. Granted, remarkable, And then he 172 00:17:15.720 --> 00:17:18.640 goes on to say, the boy shone the torch, which the flat the 173 00:17:18.680 --> 00:17:23.799 flashlight on the craft, and so he and he did so he waved the 174 00:17:23.880 --> 00:17:29.400 torch, and we were dumbfounded when we looked at the craft as it was 175 00:17:29.519 --> 00:17:38.039 responding to the torch being swaying back and forth. So that is night one 176 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:45.079 of the experience. There's a second night. So Brian, why don't we 177 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:48.799 which is amazing. I mean, it was just one night. It would 178 00:17:48.839 --> 00:17:52.200 be fascinating. Four minutes of this would have been fascinating. They had four 179 00:17:52.279 --> 00:17:57.000 hours. So Brian, why don't you take us to our second break and 180 00:17:57.079 --> 00:18:03.039 we'll be right back. This is Hudson River Radio dot com, your local 181 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:15.559 Rockland County station. This is radio dot com. Linda um As we come 182 00:18:15.599 --> 00:18:18.519 back here from the break. I wanted to mention something you had, you 183 00:18:18.559 --> 00:18:25.480 know, talked earlier about the sketch that father Gil had made and um As, 184 00:18:25.519 --> 00:18:27.839 I was looking at that the other day after you know, we had 185 00:18:27.920 --> 00:18:36.440 you had mentioned this case. It reminded me somewhat of the Randelshom Forest sketches 186 00:18:36.759 --> 00:18:40.920 of what those um airmen reported seeing in the forest. Not exact, it's 187 00:18:40.960 --> 00:18:44.519 not a on a percent carbon copy, but it was one of the first 188 00:18:44.519 --> 00:18:48.640 things that came to my mind was that they looked very similar. Not again, 189 00:18:48.720 --> 00:18:52.200 these weren't carbon copies, but right it was like the immediate thing that 190 00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:56.920 came to mind was the classic what was reported as seeing in England and Rendelshom 191 00:18:56.960 --> 00:19:00.720 Forest you know, many many years after right right, just an interesting thing 192 00:19:00.720 --> 00:19:08.440 that yeah, yeah, I mean unique, but uh not unheard of um 193 00:19:08.599 --> 00:19:14.400 with this craft. So we've talked about night number one. I mean, 194 00:19:14.880 --> 00:19:19.279 can you be lucky enough to have a second. So I do want to 195 00:19:19.319 --> 00:19:25.440 point out when Eric the student, Eric came back with the pad and pencil. 196 00:19:26.200 --> 00:19:33.039 Um, Father Gill is writing down everything he's seeing. Um, he's 197 00:19:33.200 --> 00:19:38.079 he's sketching it as he's looking at it. He is documenting it as it's 198 00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:45.640 happening. Which how many times you know do you have the opportunity in this 199 00:19:45.759 --> 00:19:51.039 field to see a report? You know? But again goes back to Randelsham 200 00:19:51.599 --> 00:19:57.519 where they're recording it as you know, as what he's seeing. So uh 201 00:19:59.039 --> 00:20:04.440 so June twenty seventh, next night, craft came back about six pm and 202 00:20:04.880 --> 00:20:10.640 possibly two smaller craft were in the background, but they didn't get close. 203 00:20:10.759 --> 00:20:18.200 They were more seen as lights. It was hovering in place again about an 204 00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:22.039 hour past. And this is how blase they became. You know, you 205 00:20:22.400 --> 00:20:26.720 stand and watch something for four hours and then another hour the next night, 206 00:20:27.279 --> 00:20:33.680 Father Gil decided well I might as well conduct the evening religious services. They 207 00:20:33.720 --> 00:20:38.079 are a mission, and he assumed the craft would still be there when he 208 00:20:38.160 --> 00:20:44.039 came out. I mean, would you take your eyes off it? No, 209 00:20:44.200 --> 00:20:47.680 I'd really give him credit for sticking to his you know, he had 210 00:20:47.680 --> 00:20:49.400 a job to do, and he did his job, and that's right. 211 00:20:49.720 --> 00:20:53.519 Will hold the services, They'll still be there. And he came out and 212 00:20:53.640 --> 00:21:00.319 it was there, and it was there for another hour or two. We 213 00:21:00.480 --> 00:21:07.599 watched another hour or two, which is incredible. So we're looking at seven 214 00:21:07.799 --> 00:21:15.160 hours of sighting of this craft. And he said when it left, it 215 00:21:15.400 --> 00:21:26.240 left quote with an amazingly incredible speed across the bay in a second. So 216 00:21:26.359 --> 00:21:33.480 I have some other quotes from him and other things. But one other thing 217 00:21:33.519 --> 00:21:37.680 that happened later that night after the craft left. They said, at ten 218 00:21:37.880 --> 00:21:48.680 forty pm, there was an ear splitting explosion overhead. Nothing blew up, 219 00:21:48.759 --> 00:21:55.599 but I thought that was curious. He documented it. Is it a sonic 220 00:21:55.720 --> 00:22:03.880 boom? Was? I don't know, but I'm reporting it. So news 221 00:22:03.880 --> 00:22:11.079 of this sighting obviously got out, and none other than Jay Alan Heinok of 222 00:22:11.279 --> 00:22:18.160 Project Bluebook at the time went he found this so compelling. He not only 223 00:22:18.200 --> 00:22:22.440 went the eighty four hundred Miles. I looked it up from Chicago to New 224 00:22:22.480 --> 00:22:30.440 Guinea once, but he went twice. That's how credible and compelling he thought 225 00:22:30.440 --> 00:22:37.720 this. He wanted to see the location and talk to the witnesses themselves. 226 00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:45.559 What a concept something we're going to find the skeptics did not bother to do. 227 00:22:47.599 --> 00:22:52.319 So. He thought this was a remarkable case. Found Father Gil to 228 00:22:52.440 --> 00:22:59.799 be completely credible, as did anybody else who basically took the time to actually 229 00:23:00.119 --> 00:23:11.119 talk to him. So later after this, Fathergills started started thinking about what 230 00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:15.119 had preceded, and so this was the end of June, and he said, 231 00:23:15.920 --> 00:23:23.079 in retrospect, they recalled that April fifth, they saw what looked like 232 00:23:23.279 --> 00:23:30.200 a sparkler on the mountain. Now the mountain is spelled pu d I. 233 00:23:30.200 --> 00:23:37.799 I don't know if that's putty putty. It was an uninhabited mountain that overlooked 234 00:23:37.839 --> 00:23:44.799 the mission. And so some sort of sparkler like light is moving around the 235 00:23:44.839 --> 00:23:48.759 top of the mountain. And as I said, it's uninhabited, and Father 236 00:23:48.880 --> 00:23:53.640 Gil's own words, no one would be stupid enough to climb up there. 237 00:23:55.559 --> 00:24:03.839 Oh, it's apparently not a safe place. So something was going on then 238 00:24:03.880 --> 00:24:10.400 and on June twenty. First, Gill did not see this, but one 239 00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:17.599 of his teachers, Stephen Moy, saw a disc flying over the bay that 240 00:24:17.720 --> 00:24:26.880 looked like an inverted saucer. So things were happening beforehand, and he didn't 241 00:24:26.960 --> 00:24:30.720 come up with this afterwards and say, oh, yeah, this happened. 242 00:24:32.319 --> 00:24:37.400 He actually had written this in a letter to somebody about Stephen. He said 243 00:24:37.480 --> 00:24:44.400 Steven's integrity was without question, and he had actually written a letter before the 244 00:24:44.480 --> 00:24:52.319 major siting about Stephen Moy's citing. And I should point out that father Gill, 245 00:24:52.359 --> 00:24:59.240 whose first name was William, was known as doubting Bill, so he 246 00:24:59.359 --> 00:25:04.839 was not a allible man. He was highly educated and basically let me see 247 00:25:04.880 --> 00:25:12.799 it to prove it, so, which is very important. So things were 248 00:25:12.839 --> 00:25:22.960 going on in this area before the major sighting. So eleven years later he 249 00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:27.880 did make a video, and actually he did make some appearances in UFO films 250 00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:36.680 much later on. But he talked at more detail about that shaft of electric 251 00:25:36.799 --> 00:25:40.920 blue light that was emanating at the top of the craft. He said it 252 00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:45.920 just looked pencil with and that's I'd love to know what that was all about. 253 00:25:45.920 --> 00:25:49.839 I'd love to know what the whole thing was about. Obviously, but 254 00:25:51.039 --> 00:25:57.200 that that is unique, this pencil thin electric blue light emanating from the top. 255 00:25:57.680 --> 00:26:04.400 We hear about craft beaming lights down down it's very Yeah, it's not 256 00:26:04.440 --> 00:26:10.119 common here anything being beamed upwards from the top. That's interesting, right, 257 00:26:10.640 --> 00:26:15.279 And so even eleven years later, he said, those waving men, I 258 00:26:15.359 --> 00:26:19.519 can't wipe it out of my mind. This sounds familiar. Again, yes, 259 00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:26.440 just from the case we read beforehand. He said that something that looked 260 00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:33.319 human, you know, waved in response to him, again, they looked 261 00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:40.440 human, which I think is critical here. And he said at the time, 262 00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:42.559 he said, no one will believe me unless I write it down. 263 00:26:42.880 --> 00:26:48.200 I won't believe it either, you know, So for his own benefit, 264 00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:52.480 he wrote everything down, minute by minute. I'd love to know where those 265 00:26:53.400 --> 00:27:00.160 notes and original sketches are today. And this is something he also said, 266 00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:07.519 I had a rather academic approach to it. I wasn't excited. I was 267 00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:12.559 calm enough to record, common enough in mind to record the events without any 268 00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:21.640 trouble, and also make the sketches. And he again said, whatever these 269 00:27:21.720 --> 00:27:26.680 beings were were more interested in doing what they were doing than in us. 270 00:27:29.279 --> 00:27:33.920 So you can't get a better witness. I mean this man is just incredible, 271 00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:37.880 you know, keeping his wits about him, keeping calm and having the 272 00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:42.680 you know, the presence of mind to write this stuff down contemporaneous to the 273 00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:47.400 sighting. I mean, in terms, I agree with this. This is 274 00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:51.720 definitely one of the top yes sightings, I mean, and you're going to 275 00:27:51.799 --> 00:27:56.559 love this. Being a detective, he put a man out in the field 276 00:27:56.839 --> 00:28:03.079 and he made him walk walk away until he looked to be about the size 277 00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:07.839 of the beings up on the craft. He then took measurements and calculated the 278 00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:14.440 size of the craft. So he knew a little h he knew a little 279 00:28:14.480 --> 00:28:22.640 math, knew a little trigg there, and he was able to calculate calculate 280 00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:27.720 the size of the craft at about thirty two feet in length, assuming the 281 00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:34.920 people he saw were the size of the average human. Right, But again 282 00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:41.440 I am in love with this witness. Yeah, this is amazing. Yeah. 283 00:28:41.559 --> 00:28:47.319 So during nineteen fifty eight and fifty nine, so the year before. 284 00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:55.880 In that year there were actually sixty reported sightings in the Papua New Guinea area, 285 00:28:56.920 --> 00:29:03.200 So whatever was going on, they were very interested for some reason in 286 00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:08.640 this area. And this I loved. He fully expected he might have dinner 287 00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:15.079 with these people on board, because he said, after having about four hours 288 00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:18.319 of this sight on Friday night, we were not nearly so interested when it 289 00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:25.279 returned Saturday night, especially after we were unable to persuade them to land. 290 00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:33.519 You must also keep in mind there was nothing eerie or other worldly worldly about 291 00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:38.960 any of this. It was all so ordinary, as ordinary as a Ford 292 00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:47.000 car. It looked. It looked a perfectly normal sort of object, an 293 00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:52.759 earth made object. We thought it was a hovercraft built by the Americans or 294 00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:57.559 the Australians, and the people looked perfectly human. If it had landed, 295 00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:03.519 we expected men in military uniforms and we were going to invite them to have 296 00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:15.680 dinner. Striking because you know, even you know, his initial impression isn't 297 00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:19.480 aliens. No, No, he's not. He's not jumping to the conclusion 298 00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:25.480 immediately I see something odd. This therefore must be aliens from another plan. 299 00:30:25.519 --> 00:30:30.039 And he's he's making a lot of assumptions like it's probably military. And we're 300 00:30:30.079 --> 00:30:33.359 talking, you know, the decades after you know, World War Two, 301 00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:37.519 the Korean War, advances were being made in aircraft and rockets. I mean, 302 00:30:38.319 --> 00:30:41.599 I guess it would be perfectly normal to think, well, yeah, 303 00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:45.079 maybe the Australians of the Americans are are testing out their military gear, and 304 00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:48.720 like you said, they're gonna land and we're gonna see a bunch of soldiers 305 00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:52.799 come over and have dinner with us, not thinking it's aliens. I mean, 306 00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:56.640 right, So this it's so important. This is not thirty eight panicked 307 00:30:56.680 --> 00:31:02.640 people, right. This is thirty eight people who are like, Wow, 308 00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:04.799 this is the coolest thing. I hope we get to, you know, 309 00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:12.599 serve them dinner. So what the hell was he looking at? There? 310 00:31:12.599 --> 00:31:18.960 Are you know? He saw something? They all saw something? Right? 311 00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:25.960 Was it human technology of the present? Some secret thing? Maybe? Was 312 00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:30.599 it human technology of the future. Let's throw in the time travel? Why 313 00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:37.759 not? Was it aliens from space? Was it interdimensional? I haven't a 314 00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:44.680 clue, and and I don't know how you can have a clue. No, 315 00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:49.000 it's me. Could speculate all day. It's just the credibility of this 316 00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:52.880 man and the witnesses. To me, it's bolstered by the fact that they 317 00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:59.200 didn't jump to the alien conclusion. I mean, everything he's describing, I 318 00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:01.599 would love to know what it was. Yeah, and to have such a 319 00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:07.400 close clear view of it. This again, we're not talking a distant spec 320 00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:13.920 he was able to sketch great to tell close enough to see these human like 321 00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:20.920 people waving at them and also those but also yet they're disinterested in them, 322 00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:23.960 which is what was fascinating, right, They're more concerned about, like he 323 00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:30.079 said, doing what it is that they were there to do their work versus 324 00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:31.640 having contact with them, you know, other than you know, they'll wave 325 00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:36.359 high. That was nice, you know, but not yeah, we have 326 00:32:36.519 --> 00:32:39.799 we have something to do here, you know, yeah, what are they 327 00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:44.200 just baffles? I know, right, it just blows your mind, like, 328 00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:45.880 well, what are they doing? But but what are they doing? 329 00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:54.920 And well I have to mention the the evil and ridiculous skeptic doctor Donald Menzel, 330 00:32:55.240 --> 00:33:00.599 who I might add, did not travel to New Guinea twice to talk 331 00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:05.839 to Father Gil or the witnesses. He didn't even bother to travel once, 332 00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:12.960 so he had no personal interviews with any of the thirty eight witnesses. And 333 00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:16.559 here we go, try not to laugh too hard. Why am I picturing 334 00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:22.720 him with a monocle in a really nasty looking mustache, all wax stuff, 335 00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:30.359 and he's, you know, laughing to himself and sorry if anybody'd him saying, 336 00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:37.519 yeah here, so here is seven hours of perhaps the most detailed reporting 337 00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:45.400 thirty eight witnesses, unbelievable, irrefutable. They saw what they saw. Skeptic 338 00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:52.920 Donald Menzel said, they saw Venus, and Father Gil is nearsighted, and 339 00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:59.319 he probably didn't have his glasses on. And the students are all basically ignorant 340 00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:04.880 and un educated. He didn't use the word savages, but clearly you know 341 00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:07.920 their new Guinea, their new Guinea natives. They must be ignorant, and 342 00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:16.360 not that they're getting this incredible education at a mission school, and that these 343 00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:24.119 students worshiped Father Gil and would do and believe everything he said. So how 344 00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:30.039 do you look at the planet Venus without your glasses and see the detail? 345 00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:36.599 I mean, you see a fuzzy ball of light at a distance. It's 346 00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:42.639 so stupid. It's just so stupid. I you know, if if Menzel 347 00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:45.840 was still alive, I'd want to walk up to when like kick him in 348 00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:50.800 the shins and just say you're too stupid to be on Earth. Well, 349 00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:53.360 you pointed out what I think is very important. You know. Jallen Heineck 350 00:34:53.440 --> 00:35:00.159 traveled twice to the location, and in nineteen fifty nine that was probably will 351 00:35:00.199 --> 00:35:02.800 be not a very comfortable trip to make. Oh my god, yeah, 352 00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:06.840 you know, it would be a long trip to make today and a nice 353 00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:09.719 comfortable airline forget what they were flying in nineteen fifty nine. But he went 354 00:35:09.840 --> 00:35:15.199 twice to put boots on the ground to investigate the location. What any detective 355 00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:20.840 or investigator would do. You know, Brian and I being police officers in 356 00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:23.239 crime scenes, you know, you don't investigate a crime scene from your living 357 00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:27.480 room. You go to the scene, you put your feet on the ground, 358 00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:30.480 and you look and you talk to people. For this skeptic, for 359 00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:37.199 this doctor to draw these conclusions without ever once interviewing the witnesses, being there, 360 00:35:38.079 --> 00:35:42.199 looking at them face to face to determine whether or not they're being honest, 361 00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:49.559 are they being deceptive? I mean he's making very very specific conclusions with 362 00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:53.480 zero basis and facts, which absolutely you know, if you want to be 363 00:35:53.480 --> 00:35:57.920 a skeptic, and we invite skeptics, I mean that's what keeps the field 364 00:35:57.960 --> 00:36:02.039 honest. But be an educated skeptic, you know, do you investigate and 365 00:36:02.119 --> 00:36:07.519 draw your conclusions because you were there, you interviewed the witnesses, not you 366 00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:13.559 know, you're you're making broad King. It's just typical typical. I mean, 367 00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:17.920 I don't know why I'm shocked. Well, Heineck had quite the rebuttal 368 00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:23.880 um. I remember, what was the first thing Father Gil said? Is 369 00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:28.280 he standing on the lawn of the mission. Wow, look how beautiful Venus 370 00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:32.559 is. Oh wait, but there's another light over there. So Heineck's rebuttal 371 00:36:34.119 --> 00:36:37.599 Gil mentioned Venus as a separate light in the sky. You know, there 372 00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:43.880 was the first thing he said. And guess what Father Gil was wearing his 373 00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:49.400 glasses. You might want to, you know, pick up the phone and 374 00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:51.800 say, hey, Gil, Will, you're wearing your glasses. Oh you 375 00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:58.760 were? Okay, well there goes that stupid excuse. And then the thirty 376 00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:06.599 seven other witness is many of them were very education educated teachers, and the 377 00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:13.360 students were quite educated as well, and so they were not stupid savages, 378 00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:17.039 you know. Just oh, father Gill says it's a spaceship, that light 379 00:37:17.079 --> 00:37:22.039 in the sky. Okay, we'll all say it's such an insult. It's 380 00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:30.000 such an insult. Well, an Australian UFO group, the Victoria Flying Saucer 381 00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:37.199 Research Society, I think put it very well. Gills reports constitute the most 382 00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:49.519 remarkable testimony of intensive UFO activity ever reported to civilian investigators beautifully said yes. 383 00:37:51.800 --> 00:37:58.760 It was not for six months that the Australian government finally decided to interview Gil, 384 00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:04.559 and they clearly were not taking this case very seriously. So as December 385 00:38:04.599 --> 00:38:09.320 of fifty nine, again six months later, some r AA F Royal Australian 386 00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:17.320 Air Force officers interviewed him, and Gill said the interview consisted of two officers 387 00:38:17.960 --> 00:38:30.199 talking about stars and planets and then leaving. Okay, excellent interview. So 388 00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:37.920 here's what I will end on this. Squadron leader Fa Lang was one of 389 00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:45.159 the ones who pseudo interviewed him by talking about stars and planets rather than listening 390 00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:51.400 to his account. Although the Reverend Gil could be regarded as a reliable observer, 391 00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:58.039 it is felt that the June July incident could have been nothing more than 392 00:38:58.239 --> 00:39:09.320 natural phenomena colored by past events and subconscious influences of UFO enthusiasts. During the 393 00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:15.400 period of the report, weather was cloudy and unsettled, with light thunderstorms. 394 00:39:16.119 --> 00:39:23.639 Although it is not possible to draw firm conclusions, an analysis of rough bearings 395 00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:31.079 and angles about the horizon does suggest at least some of the lights observed where 396 00:39:31.159 --> 00:39:37.400 the planets Jupiter, Saturn, and Mars. Wait a minute, no Venus. 397 00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:43.519 I mean they didn't have they forgot Venus. Yeah, Venus always they 398 00:39:43.599 --> 00:39:49.039 got the other four planets in there. So he's a reliable witness. However, 399 00:39:49.719 --> 00:39:55.639 you know, influence, subconscious influences of UFO enthusiast. Do they not 400 00:39:55.840 --> 00:40:02.840 know he was called doubting Bill? And how much outside influence was he getting. 401 00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:07.280 I'm gonna go out on a limo. It's probably pretty remote there. 402 00:40:07.599 --> 00:40:12.000 Yeah, you know, this is what maybe head radio. I don't know. 403 00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:15.960 Maybe he wasn't probably getting access to the nineteen fifties, you know, 404 00:40:16.039 --> 00:40:22.079 sci fi movies that were out. Yeah, I mean it's and it's not 405 00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:27.360 just Father Gil, it's all of the other teachers and the students. There's 406 00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:35.079 thirty eight of them. It wasn't a subconsciously influenced man without his glasses on. 407 00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:43.800 Uh, It's it's so aggravating. Well, Father Gil died and passed 408 00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:49.880 away in two thousand and seven, having never wavered on his story, never 409 00:40:49.960 --> 00:40:57.320 embellished, never you know, it was the same story as and thank god 410 00:40:57.360 --> 00:41:00.800 he had written everything down as it happen, because you know, your mind 411 00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:06.679 can play tricks on you. Or you know, when you get older, 412 00:41:06.760 --> 00:41:15.079 you forget things. It does happen. So if you have not seen the 413 00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:22.280 sketch, definitely go online again look up father gil Ufo and you'll see the 414 00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:29.159 remarkable shape of the craft. You can go to YouTube and here's some of 415 00:41:29.639 --> 00:41:36.639 his clips of hear him in his own words. I have no reason to 416 00:41:36.760 --> 00:41:40.519 doubt what he said, what he sketched, what they all saw, and 417 00:41:40.639 --> 00:41:45.280 I have zero clue what the hell it was and what would his motivation have 418 00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:50.719 been to make it up anyway? What was he gaining if you know, 419 00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:53.519 if everybody's thinking. First of all, if if to accuse him outright of 420 00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:57.920 just fabricating it, what would he gain? But even then, what would 421 00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:02.119 he gain by going forward? If he, you know, mister Venus or 422 00:42:02.199 --> 00:42:07.239 just didn't see anything except you know, the right conditions and stars and planets 423 00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:14.199 and his own imagination. Yeah, the man who can calculate the is the 424 00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:19.000 length of the diameter of the craft, yah, by measurements and calculate. 425 00:42:19.039 --> 00:42:24.400 You know, this is an educated man. He knew what Venus was right. 426 00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:31.840 It's again to me one of the top five cases. And I have 427 00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:39.559 I have not seen anything to discredit him or the other people or have any 428 00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:45.679 reason to doubt he saw what he saw and whatever that was, which is 429 00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:51.719 probably even fascinating as it is the questions it leaves, Yeah, what would 430 00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:55.920 you if you had to, if you had to guess, But what's your 431 00:42:57.000 --> 00:43:00.719 best guess as to what that was? I'm not saying it was aliens, 432 00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:07.119 but you know I can't because I just picture if it's. If it is 433 00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:10.679 aliens, can you imagine aliens coming here from from some other planet? Why 434 00:43:10.679 --> 00:43:17.119 would they be so disinterested and just kind of go about their thing. But 435 00:43:17.199 --> 00:43:22.719 then again, if they were anything from not this planet, whether they're interdimensional 436 00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:25.239 I guess, or time travelers, I mean, to be so disinterested in 437 00:43:25.400 --> 00:43:29.440 everybody else, like, hey, they're making contact with us. You know, 438 00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:32.039 people are waving, we're waving back. So clearly there's an acknowledgment like, 439 00:43:32.039 --> 00:43:37.199 hey, we see you, we're responding to you. To just kind 440 00:43:37.239 --> 00:43:40.480 of ignore them after that and sit there. But I can't get yeah and 441 00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:44.760 sit there for for it. Well, as he said, they seemed very 442 00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:50.119 maybe they were making repairs, maybe maybe something was wrong, you know that 443 00:43:50.159 --> 00:43:57.639 they're busily working on something on that that upper platform there. Um, I 444 00:43:57.679 --> 00:44:04.480 don't know, but then to do it all again the next night. So 445 00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:13.760 stick that near pipe, Menzel and smoke it. That is my official technical 446 00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:20.880 conclusion, you know, just to discredit a witness such as father go with 447 00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:24.239 such I mean broad strokes like that. I mean, yeah, an Anglican 448 00:44:24.320 --> 00:44:30.280 missionary, like you said, probably didn't have a lot to gain by discussing 449 00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:39.800 a UFO sighting of this intensity. So I'm done. That's it. I 450 00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:45.320 mean, that's it. I'm sorry, that's all. It's very fascinating. 451 00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:49.559 I can see why it is on your top. I mean, I don't 452 00:44:49.559 --> 00:44:52.400 think you could ever. I've never heard of anything similar. Yeah, with 453 00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:59.599 seeing human like you know, I guess I don't know human either human like 454 00:44:59.800 --> 00:45:05.800 or you know, humanoid, being that close, making contact but yet not 455 00:45:06.440 --> 00:45:09.320 being interested in what the people were doing and just sort of doing their own 456 00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:15.400 thing. Yeah, that is a remarkable aspect of it as well. And 457 00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:17.800 yeah, he seems like a great witness. Yeah, and listen to him 458 00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:22.440 in his own words. Like I said, there are the clips on YouTube 459 00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:29.920 where he's talking about it, and yeah, he is somebody I would have 460 00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:36.880 liked to sit down with an interview. 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