WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.640 --> 00:00:07.440 If I'm at the range all day, I don't seek anybody that practice as 2 00:00:07.480 --> 00:00:12.080 well. I mean nobody. If you want to get better, you have 3 00:00:12.199 --> 00:00:18.519 to have a good solid plan. Arrive with a good solid plan. Don't 4 00:00:18.679 --> 00:00:22.359 just rake and rip. You're going to get exercise, but you're not going 5 00:00:22.440 --> 00:00:26.359 to get better. You might even get worse. And there's so many books 6 00:00:26.399 --> 00:00:31.480 out there and YouTube videos about how to practice well. I try to drive 7 00:00:31.519 --> 00:00:35.359 it into my students, but got it come out there some days and there's 8 00:00:35.399 --> 00:00:39.520 a guy that took a lesson a week ago and he's just beating ball after 9 00:00:39.600 --> 00:00:45.119 ball with his driver and not doing anything else and not getting better. Hi, 10 00:00:45.320 --> 00:00:49.079 this is Charles Palmer from Naples, Florida, and I play at the 11 00:00:49.240 --> 00:00:54.159 History and at Golf and Country Club. This is Golf Smarter number nine hundred 12 00:00:54.240 --> 00:01:02.320 and thirty five, The Myths and Misconceptions of keep your Head Down with John 13 00:01:02.399 --> 00:01:07.599 Marshall. This is Golf Smarter, sharing stories, tips and insights from great 14 00:01:07.680 --> 00:01:12.920 golf minds to help you lower your score and raise your golf IQ. There's 15 00:01:12.920 --> 00:01:18.359 your host, Fred Green. Welcome to the Golf Smarter podcast. John. 16 00:01:19.400 --> 00:01:23.760 Great to be here, Fred. I just discovered your podcast about a month 17 00:01:23.799 --> 00:01:32.439 ago, and I am the president of the Atlanta Chapter fan Club. Thank 18 00:01:32.480 --> 00:01:36.400 you very much. And you're friends with doctor Grenna Anderson, who we love 19 00:01:36.560 --> 00:01:40.680 talking to. So you're both down there in Atlanta. And she told me 20 00:01:40.799 --> 00:01:44.519 that she was just talking about you, said that you discovered the podcast, 21 00:01:44.519 --> 00:01:48.439 and I'm like, well, let's get him on the show. Yeah. 22 00:01:48.959 --> 00:01:52.000 We teach at the same place. We go to lunch a couple of times 23 00:01:52.000 --> 00:01:55.879 a year. And she's an awesome lady and a great teacher too. Yeah, 24 00:01:55.920 --> 00:02:00.280 she's a phenomenal human. Really really like her. That's great. So 25 00:02:00.519 --> 00:02:05.560 you got your your whole thing going and go. I mean, you've been 26 00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:08.360 playing golf a long time. But as a younger man, you started out 27 00:02:08.439 --> 00:02:13.400 with long drive or is it as a senior you started out with long drive 28 00:02:13.439 --> 00:02:17.800 competition, not even senior, super senior, what is super? I don't 29 00:02:17.800 --> 00:02:23.840 even know it's super. It's like supersalid. Do you remember Remax World Long 30 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:30.360 Drive Championship. Yeah, So back in it was like Christmas Day of two 31 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:36.080 thousand and two, they announced that they were going to have a super Senior 32 00:02:36.159 --> 00:02:40.000 division beginning in three and it was for fifty five and up. And I 33 00:02:40.080 --> 00:02:45.599 was about ready to turn fifty five, so it just worked well. And 34 00:02:46.400 --> 00:02:49.960 I'd always been pretty long, so I just got the juices flowing. I 35 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:55.199 got excited for the first time in many years. And uh, long drive 36 00:02:55.240 --> 00:03:00.360 back in those days was like the US Open. There was local qualified and 37 00:03:00.360 --> 00:03:04.560 then regional, and I went to eight local qualifiers and won them all and 38 00:03:05.280 --> 00:03:08.960 figured I was going to waltz all the way to the World Championship. And 39 00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:15.759 had a couple of episodes of, to put it, mildly choking, and 40 00:03:15.879 --> 00:03:22.800 I realized rolling the club face open a little bit and then trying to roll 41 00:03:22.840 --> 00:03:27.840 it closed, which I had been taught when I first started playing when I 42 00:03:27.879 --> 00:03:32.479 was fourteen years old, did not work under the pressure of long drive. 43 00:03:32.840 --> 00:03:38.439 So really I was hitting it a long way, but it would sometimes come 44 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:43.319 down in the same state that I was standing in, but not always. 45 00:03:44.319 --> 00:03:49.439 So the worst thing that can happen in long drive you get six balls hit 46 00:03:49.479 --> 00:03:52.280 him in two and a half minutes. If you don't get one in, 47 00:03:52.800 --> 00:03:55.639 you know, you leave with the tail between your legs. And that happened 48 00:03:55.639 --> 00:04:04.439 twice, and the second one was really bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 49 00:04:04.639 --> 00:04:12.759 And you know sometimes sometimes it can happen just because your swing is off 50 00:04:12.800 --> 00:04:16.959 that day. But this was a legitimate joke. There's no kitting around it. 51 00:04:17.839 --> 00:04:25.759 So I came home and imoked around for a month and then I decided, 52 00:04:25.839 --> 00:04:30.240 well, I'm going to fix this. So I contacted Mike Austin, 53 00:04:30.560 --> 00:04:36.240 whom you know his name from Jacob Bowden. We talked on the phone. 54 00:04:36.279 --> 00:04:41.360 He had stopped teaching, he was like ninety five. He put me in 55 00:04:41.480 --> 00:04:46.079 touch with his protege, Dan Schauger in La. I flew out to La 56 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:50.000 spent a couple of days working with Dan, and he kind of gave me. 57 00:04:50.759 --> 00:04:56.839 It sounds weird, but he gave me permission to swing the golf club 58 00:04:56.920 --> 00:05:00.720 like I did naturally in terms of the club face. So instead of rolling 59 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:05.720 it open, I kept at square throughout and I never had a six in 60 00:05:05.680 --> 00:05:11.360 and out again. I won some stuff, had a good time, made 61 00:05:11.399 --> 00:05:14.920 a lot of friends. And at what age were you doing this that you 62 00:05:14.959 --> 00:05:20.879 started winning fifty five? And you know I was flying at three ten then 63 00:05:20.959 --> 00:05:27.000 and it was just a quot with basically a standard link driver. I don't 64 00:05:27.040 --> 00:05:30.439 know where the eighty yards have gone since then. They disappeared a little bit. 65 00:05:31.720 --> 00:05:35.279 This aging process is cruel. There's no getting around there. Yeah, 66 00:05:35.319 --> 00:05:39.160 but if all we have to do is complain about aging, we're well ahead 67 00:05:39.160 --> 00:05:43.759 of the game. Absolutely, I totally concur so. I had a lot 68 00:05:43.800 --> 00:05:50.279 of fun, and I really I had been teaching kind of informally before that, 69 00:05:50.480 --> 00:05:58.480 but the range that I went where I went to practice, people would 70 00:05:58.519 --> 00:06:00.759 watch me hit balls and they kind of come up to me and say, 71 00:06:01.199 --> 00:06:05.319 how does a run like you do that? So I would give in formal 72 00:06:05.439 --> 00:06:09.160 lessons and the guy that owned the rain said, you know, you ought 73 00:06:09.160 --> 00:06:13.199 to be charging for this. So that's kind of where the teaching started. 74 00:06:13.439 --> 00:06:18.560 And I often think back to those early days and if I could contact all 75 00:06:18.600 --> 00:06:23.959 those people that took lessons the first couple of years and said I would say 76 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:28.199 to them, you deserve a refund, give me your address and I'll mail 77 00:06:28.240 --> 00:06:31.279 you a check. But things have progressed over the years. I kind of 78 00:06:31.319 --> 00:06:34.600 think I'm doing pretty well with that. There's I was thinking the other day 79 00:06:34.639 --> 00:06:43.079 there was a point where golf was starting to go downhill a little bit, 80 00:06:43.240 --> 00:06:46.439 teaching was going uphill a little bit. I was trying to think of maybe 81 00:06:46.519 --> 00:06:50.399 what year they kind of crossed in the night. It is probably when you 82 00:06:50.439 --> 00:06:54.720 say going down. When you say going down, does that mean your score 83 00:06:54.879 --> 00:06:58.560 was going down? What do you what do you know? Distance was going 84 00:06:58.639 --> 00:07:03.079 Oh, your distance was scores have kind of stayed the same because I just 85 00:07:03.160 --> 00:07:06.720 keep I just keep moving forward, like you know, like I should be 86 00:07:06.800 --> 00:07:12.399 doing. Yes, absolutely, yeah, So I shoot my age pretty much 87 00:07:12.439 --> 00:07:16.160 every time I play, and uh and have fun with my buddies. So 88 00:07:16.199 --> 00:07:21.439 you're shooting in the mid seventies regularly. Yeah, yeah, nice. Yeah, 89 00:07:21.920 --> 00:07:26.279 you know that's kind of where I was when I played college golf and 90 00:07:26.519 --> 00:07:30.199 high school golf, and he kind of reached your own level. I was 91 00:07:30.279 --> 00:07:34.959 never good enough at golf to do anything professionally, and that's why long drive 92 00:07:35.079 --> 00:07:39.639 was so much fun. I could do something on a you know, on 93 00:07:39.680 --> 00:07:46.240 a bigger stage and be least marginally successful. My last, my last competition, 94 00:07:47.879 --> 00:07:51.600 I was on the tee. This was Remax twenty ten. I was 95 00:07:51.639 --> 00:07:58.199 on the tee with Rick Barry, whom I'm sure you remember because Area, 96 00:07:58.639 --> 00:08:03.120 Yeah, Bay Area I and and a lot of people don't know this, 97 00:08:03.240 --> 00:08:07.279 but he won two World long Drive Championships too in the older guys groups. 98 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:15.879 So yeah, it was fun. Fierce competitor, Oh absolutely absolutely, and 99 00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:22.639 he you know, we less that that competition that was blowing about twenty five 100 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:26.079 in the face at eight o'clock in the morning, and he was ripping these 101 00:08:26.879 --> 00:08:31.120 low draws that were probably getting twenty five or thirty of yards of roll. 102 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:35.759 But none of us old guys said at three hundred that day the wind was 103 00:08:35.799 --> 00:08:41.840 so strong. So anyway, we had fun. Oh that's okay, then 104 00:08:41.879 --> 00:08:45.200 you win again. You're having Yeah, you said you were a runt. 105 00:08:45.399 --> 00:08:48.399 How tall? I know you're going to say, well, I'm shorter now 106 00:08:48.399 --> 00:08:54.440 than I was then, but and that's that's the truth. How tall are 107 00:08:54.480 --> 00:08:58.200 you? I'm five ten now. I think I was six feet when I 108 00:08:58.320 --> 00:09:05.919 started. I weigh about one eighty five, and you know, the everything 109 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:09.279 is kind of sinking. You don't know what that's like because you're still young. 110 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:11.120 Oh no, I do. I'm having a lot of compression issues in 111 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:15.159 my back, so I get it. Yeah, I totally get it. 112 00:09:15.960 --> 00:09:20.039 So you know, I work out a lot and I try to stay strong. 113 00:09:20.200 --> 00:09:24.360 But boy, it's it's tough as you get older. But yes it 114 00:09:24.440 --> 00:09:28.399 is. No complain, no complaints. But tell me about your workout. 115 00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:33.000 What is it that you focus on. I do cardio, I do weights, 116 00:09:33.080 --> 00:09:37.440 I do a lot of flexibility work and just try to maintain my range 117 00:09:37.480 --> 00:09:41.960 of motion as much as I can. If you could only do one of 118 00:09:41.960 --> 00:09:50.279 those three, which would it be probably flexibility, Probably range of motion flexibility. 119 00:09:50.879 --> 00:09:54.440 I do that every single day. Try to do cardio most days, 120 00:09:54.799 --> 00:09:58.960 and weights maybe three days a week. Okay, And what is your cardio 121 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:07.960 workout? Elliptical? Okay, I've had I've had. I ran marathons forty 122 00:10:07.039 --> 00:10:13.200 years ago, and I've had seven knee surgeries, so even walking is not 123 00:10:13.399 --> 00:10:18.159 particularly fun. Elliptical is perfect. You look like you're in shape. I'm 124 00:10:18.159 --> 00:10:20.480 sure you do a lot of stuff too. I never do. I'm not 125 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:26.279 big on cardio. Yeah, and I've never really done weights at all. 126 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:31.519 I really focus a lot on my flexibility, my cardio. My cardio is 127 00:10:31.559 --> 00:10:35.519 in the swimming pool. I swim. Yeah, that's fantastic, which is 128 00:10:35.720 --> 00:10:39.759 all in existence, and you know you're not pouring sweat, which I love. 129 00:10:41.480 --> 00:10:46.360 Yeah. Yeah. When I mentioned to you being in San Francisco three 130 00:10:46.440 --> 00:10:50.279 years ago and I went down to the waterfront one day and there were people 131 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:56.120 out there swimming and got sixty degree water maybe less. Yeah, it's no. 132 00:10:56.159 --> 00:11:01.440 I'm a swimming pool guy. I can't swim dark water unless I'm wearing 133 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:05.279 a mask and then I'm underneath the water. Yeah no, Alcatraz to the 134 00:11:05.720 --> 00:11:07.720 orlane. Yeah no, No, I have friends, but not me, 135 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:16.480 not yeah, no way. Yeah. So you runt like you you're five 136 00:11:16.639 --> 00:11:20.720 ten, You're still taller than I am. But you've always been a long 137 00:11:20.799 --> 00:11:26.399 hitter. Yeah. I was a baseball player at like nine, ten, 138 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:33.159 eleven, twelve and then and I was a good hitter and all of a 139 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:37.879 sudden, somebody threw a curveball. I was going to be Mickey Manna was 140 00:11:37.879 --> 00:11:41.600 in my wheelhouse. I was going to replace the MinC in center field. 141 00:11:43.399 --> 00:11:46.600 And I saw that first curveball, and I thought, you know, maybe 142 00:11:46.639 --> 00:11:50.399 we had to look into a different activity here. So moved over to golf. 143 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:54.240 And the ball wasn't moving at all. The ball wasn't moving, And 144 00:11:54.960 --> 00:12:00.360 I don't want to say it was easy, but it was. You know, 145 00:12:01.039 --> 00:12:07.080 I went from zero to break an eighty and thirteen months in upstate New 146 00:12:07.159 --> 00:12:13.080 York. So something was working, right, I guess, I don't absolutely, 147 00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:18.159 But then you know, I got to the seventy five range and kind 148 00:12:18.159 --> 00:12:22.320 of found my level of achievement for golf. But I know a lot of 149 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:24.960 people would like to shoot seventy five. Oh yes, oh yes, yeah. 150 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:31.360 Well hopefully what's working here is our sponsorships, and we're going to I 151 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:35.679 encourage people not to fast forward through them, because this is part of how 152 00:12:35.720 --> 00:12:37.399 I make this thing work. So please stick around because we'll be back in 153 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:46.679 a minute with more with John Marshall. John, you just mentioned to me, 154 00:12:46.759 --> 00:12:52.639 and I want to bring it up that you've got some people that have 155 00:12:52.720 --> 00:12:56.759 been featured on the podcast here that you really admire the work that they're doing 156 00:12:56.799 --> 00:13:00.320 now, and i'd love to hear your thoughts about that. Who are we 157 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:05.159 talking about, Well, Scott Fosset with a decade golf and John Sherman with 158 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:09.440 four foundations of golf, who wrote a wonderful book and he has a podcast 159 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:15.039 too. Yeah, another book on the show, right, But I just 160 00:13:15.080 --> 00:13:20.600 think what they're doing can help any level of golfer, certainly elite players, 161 00:13:20.639 --> 00:13:30.000 but even fifteen twenty handicappers to make sound decisions based on Scott Fawcett puts it 162 00:13:30.080 --> 00:13:35.840 based on math and not on intuition. And I don't know if he mentioned 163 00:13:35.840 --> 00:13:39.679 this when he was on, but Stuart Sink, who was one of his 164 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:48.440 early disciples, said I finished rounds not fatigued because I don't have to think. 165 00:13:48.039 --> 00:13:52.840 I just do everything from a math standpoint. Of course, he was 166 00:13:52.840 --> 00:13:56.440 at Georgia Tech grad, so maybe that really fit in well with him. 167 00:13:56.559 --> 00:14:01.720 But he said, I don't have to think. I I you know, 168 00:14:01.080 --> 00:14:05.399 I look at the numbers, I realize what my dispersion is. I pick 169 00:14:05.440 --> 00:14:11.120 out a target that works with that dispersion. But the greatest thing to me 170 00:14:11.480 --> 00:14:18.799 about these two things is that we all beat ourselves up playing golf, and 171 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:26.840 we most people just have real expectations that are totally unrealistic. And I'll say 172 00:14:26.840 --> 00:14:35.159 to my students sometimes sometimes what's the average PGA Tour dispersion with the driver over 173 00:14:35.200 --> 00:14:41.720 the course of the year all players far right miss, far left mess except 174 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:48.679 typically they'll guess thirty yards and it's more than seventy five Sure, And you 175 00:14:48.679 --> 00:14:54.360 know what's the average make rate in the PGA Tour from eight feet? People 176 00:14:54.399 --> 00:14:58.720 will say seventy five percent because they're watching golf every weekend and they're all making 177 00:14:58.759 --> 00:15:07.559 those But it's nine And people need to pat themselves on the back a little 178 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:11.879 bit and not be so hard on themselves, because, as Scott says, 179 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:16.440 I keep going back to Scott but I just love what he does. Golf 180 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:22.080 is a shotgun and it's not a sniper rifle, and we have to figure 181 00:15:22.120 --> 00:15:28.879 out what our dispersion is and plan accordingly. So I'll get off my decade 182 00:15:28.960 --> 00:15:33.279 golf soapbox here. But I just love this stuff. Yeah, yeah, 183 00:15:33.360 --> 00:15:39.320 it makes total sense. It's definitely worth going back and hearing Scott. He 184 00:15:39.519 --> 00:15:45.679 was on just recently episode nine hundred and thirty back in January. That's amazing. 185 00:15:45.879 --> 00:15:50.840 He's great, he is, and he's passionate about it, and it 186 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:56.360 makes so much sense, exactly exactly, and he kind of came up with 187 00:15:56.440 --> 00:16:00.159 this from according to what he says, from playing poker and just looking at 188 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:07.960 expectations and using math and figure out a way, figuring out a way to 189 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:14.799 maximize his chances of being successful. And you know you're not going to be 190 00:16:14.840 --> 00:16:18.639 successful every day. But what's the one thing I hear from all new students, 191 00:16:18.679 --> 00:16:23.879 typically the higher handicappers. I just want to be consistent? Can you 192 00:16:23.960 --> 00:16:27.279 help me be consistent? And I say no, I can't. You're not 193 00:16:27.320 --> 00:16:33.519 going to be Nobody is. And once you realize that, you've got a 194 00:16:33.639 --> 00:16:37.919 chance of having fun playing the game. But God, who wants to you 195 00:16:37.960 --> 00:16:42.440 know, you don't want to beat yourself up all the time. I saw 196 00:16:42.559 --> 00:16:45.799 people when they tell me I want to be consistent, I'm like, well, 197 00:16:45.799 --> 00:16:48.519 tell me, tell me what scores you shoot. I'm always between ninety 198 00:16:48.559 --> 00:16:52.000 and ninety and ninety five. It's like, dude, you are You're consistent? 199 00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:56.759 Yeah, what is it that you want? You know you are consistent. 200 00:16:56.960 --> 00:17:00.759 It's probably your short game can use some work you're putting, you know, 201 00:17:02.039 --> 00:17:07.079 but it's also your approach to how to approach a golf course. It's 202 00:17:07.160 --> 00:17:11.880 not hitting golf balls is not going to make you consistent. It's how you 203 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:18.079 play golf. It's going to make consistency. That's you kind of led me 204 00:17:18.160 --> 00:17:26.319 into another area here. If I'm at the range all day, every day 205 00:17:26.400 --> 00:17:32.319 for weeks and weeks and weeks, I don't see anybody that practice as well. 206 00:17:32.599 --> 00:17:37.839 I mean nobody. And if you want to get better, you have 207 00:17:37.960 --> 00:17:44.920 to have a good solid plan. Arrive with a good solid plan. Don't 208 00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:48.440 just rake and rip, as I call it. You're not. You're going 209 00:17:48.519 --> 00:17:52.000 to get exercise, but you're not going to get better. You might even 210 00:17:52.079 --> 00:17:59.160 get worse. And there's so many books out there and YouTube videos about how 211 00:17:59.200 --> 00:18:03.680 to practice work well, and I try to drive it into my students, 212 00:18:03.759 --> 00:18:07.039 but got it come out there some days and there's a guy that took a 213 00:18:07.160 --> 00:18:12.279 lesson a week ago and he's just beating ball after ball with his driver and 214 00:18:12.359 --> 00:18:18.599 not doing anything else and not getting better, and it's frustrating for me, 215 00:18:18.319 --> 00:18:23.759 and I try to talk it into him, but not too many people want 216 00:18:23.799 --> 00:18:27.319 to hear it. I do hit balls sometimes in between lessons, and I 217 00:18:27.359 --> 00:18:33.359 try to set a good example if anybody's watching me, but I don't know 218 00:18:33.359 --> 00:18:40.279 if it works. Do you teach golf full time? Yeah, you know. 219 00:18:41.079 --> 00:18:47.640 I'm getting up in years, So I teach like fifteen hours a week 220 00:18:47.799 --> 00:18:52.640 something like that, and takes me half an hour to get to the golf 221 00:18:52.680 --> 00:18:57.440 course, half an hour back, and when I get home, I'll spend 222 00:18:57.480 --> 00:19:03.400 twenty minutes per student and writing a lesson summary which i'll email to them. 223 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:11.319 I'll do voiceovers on their videos and I'll email that to them. So if 224 00:19:11.319 --> 00:19:15.319 I do three or four lessons a day, between the drive and then the 225 00:19:15.319 --> 00:19:21.640 follow up stuff, it's a six or seven hour day, which is all 226 00:19:21.680 --> 00:19:26.039 I want basically. But it's a good situation. I love it. And 227 00:19:26.079 --> 00:19:34.359 then it's nap time. So, I have you ever had any instances during 228 00:19:34.400 --> 00:19:45.880 your playing career where you had to take some time off due to injury? 229 00:19:47.000 --> 00:19:49.480 You know, other than that I mentioned, I've had seven knee surgeries, 230 00:19:49.559 --> 00:19:57.599 so that's required some time off. But in terms of expected injuries with a 231 00:19:57.680 --> 00:20:03.160 golfer, bat, you know, lower back, upper back, not really 232 00:20:03.960 --> 00:20:08.240 lucky, man. I think I've been fortunately. I think I was decent 233 00:20:08.319 --> 00:20:14.680 flexibility still, do you think that's more of the flexibility or that it's more 234 00:20:14.759 --> 00:20:21.440 about the weight exercise, the maybe a little bit genetics and then you know, 235 00:20:22.759 --> 00:20:26.240 yeah, and then you know, trying to stay in shape, and 236 00:20:26.279 --> 00:20:29.160 well, I bring it up and I'm curious to get your advice. I 237 00:20:29.160 --> 00:20:33.839 got an email from a listener this morning who in his early sixties he just 238 00:20:33.880 --> 00:20:38.880 had back surgery, and he's like, I, you know, how long 239 00:20:38.920 --> 00:20:41.880 do I need to take off? And do I need to change my swing 240 00:20:41.960 --> 00:20:45.200 now? Should I go stack and tilt? I'm like, everything I've heard 241 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:51.799 about stack and tilt is not good for your back. I'd love to throw 242 00:20:51.799 --> 00:20:56.559 this out to a golf instructor. It's like for somebody in their you know, 243 00:20:56.200 --> 00:21:02.359 early sixties back surgery needs to make changes not swing as hard. As 244 00:21:02.359 --> 00:21:07.839 he has been. What would you recommend? Well, I hate to disagree 245 00:21:07.920 --> 00:21:15.640 with the affable host here, but I'm actually in the right circumstances, a 246 00:21:15.680 --> 00:21:21.279 big stack and tilt fan. You are, And I think a lot of 247 00:21:21.279 --> 00:21:27.400 people have back problems when they side bend a lot in both directions. And 248 00:21:29.240 --> 00:21:34.000 you may or may not know this, but I was like everybody my age. 249 00:21:34.160 --> 00:21:41.119 I was a big Nicholas and Palmer fan growing up. And when I 250 00:21:41.160 --> 00:21:45.240 look at my swing on video, there's times when I kind of throw up. 251 00:21:45.279 --> 00:21:48.799 But I do have a very steady head. And the only way you 252 00:21:48.799 --> 00:21:53.279 can maintain a steady head in the golf swing, both back and down is 253 00:21:55.319 --> 00:22:00.079 by side bending, side bending left in the backswing, side bending right in 254 00:22:00.119 --> 00:22:03.279 the downswing. Not a lot, but a little bit, but that's the 255 00:22:03.319 --> 00:22:10.440 only way you can stay centered and tilt your shoulders a little bit if you 256 00:22:10.480 --> 00:22:15.039 look at Sometimes I say to students what do you think of the older guys? 257 00:22:15.240 --> 00:22:18.759 I'll say, what do you think of Arnold Palmer's golf swing? And 258 00:22:18.839 --> 00:22:22.799 they'll say, well, you know, he did this funny thing here at 259 00:22:22.799 --> 00:22:26.000 the end, and of course he did, but everything he did before that 260 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:34.960 was just mechanically perfect. Basically in terms of tilting and staying centered. His 261 00:22:36.160 --> 00:22:41.079 dad. His dad and Nicholas's teacher, Jack Grout, both of them said, 262 00:22:42.960 --> 00:22:48.119 put your hands on the club properly, don't move your head, and 263 00:22:48.160 --> 00:22:49.880 swing as hard as you can, and we'll figure out how to hit it 264 00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:56.160 straight or later on, and then it's fine for a kid in their twenties 265 00:22:56.160 --> 00:23:00.880 and thirties, yeah, or eight and ten like they yeah, exactly, 266 00:23:00.519 --> 00:23:11.160 But fifty years later, the people at TPI Titleist Performance Institute documented that that's 267 00:23:11.359 --> 00:23:18.519 absolutely the perfect approach. Whatever the swing speed that you start with is, 268 00:23:18.599 --> 00:23:22.480 to a great extent, is what you're destined to have the rest of your 269 00:23:22.519 --> 00:23:26.119 life. So I'm not going to tell a seventy year old to come out 270 00:23:26.160 --> 00:23:32.119 of their shoes and try to get one hundred and twenty mile an hour club 271 00:23:32.160 --> 00:23:34.839 that speed. But for a young kid who's got some athletic ability, God, 272 00:23:34.960 --> 00:23:41.200 go after it. And you know, you stand on the rain sometimes 273 00:23:41.240 --> 00:23:48.119 given a lesson, and you'll hear a well meaning dad in the spot behind 274 00:23:48.200 --> 00:23:52.119 you saying stuff to his son or daughter, and I think, to myself, 275 00:23:52.200 --> 00:23:56.799 you're setting this kid back, you know, twenty years. The worst 276 00:23:56.799 --> 00:24:02.279 instructor in the world is apparent. Yeah, or keep your head down. 277 00:24:02.519 --> 00:24:06.119 Keep your head down, worst piece of advice in the history of golf. 278 00:24:06.880 --> 00:24:11.079 Oh all right, well hang on to that thought because we're going to discuss 279 00:24:11.119 --> 00:24:21.240 why that is right after this break. All right, we hear it all 280 00:24:21.319 --> 00:24:23.440 the time. I lifted my head. I lifted my head, or you 281 00:24:23.519 --> 00:24:26.960 hear from down to the bay, you know, another bay in the in 282 00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:30.359 the driving range, keep your head down, keep your head down. You're 283 00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:37.599 saying bad advice. There's a difference between keeping your head down and allowing your 284 00:24:37.599 --> 00:24:42.759 head to rotate. The two of the examples that I use with students who 285 00:24:45.039 --> 00:24:48.799 you know, they finish their swaying and they're still staring at where the ball 286 00:24:48.920 --> 00:24:55.240 is. First of all, you're completely stalling your rotation. Secondly, you'll 287 00:24:55.319 --> 00:25:00.000 end up with a chiropractor on speed dial very quickly. But if you look 288 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:06.720 look at David Duval and on Akasare and Stamp, their heads were gone way 289 00:25:06.759 --> 00:25:11.160 before impact. And I say gone. They weren't looking down at the golf 290 00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:15.200 ball. They were rotating. And it's a wonderful thing to do because you 291 00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:21.000 know where's power come from and the golfs rotation, and you just really kind 292 00:25:21.079 --> 00:25:29.519 of unlock your unlock yourself in terms of being able to rotate more thoroughly and 293 00:25:29.559 --> 00:25:33.920 create more power. So whenever whenever a student shows up, you know, 294 00:25:34.039 --> 00:25:37.920 doing this, and they're still looking at the grounds and their hands are up 295 00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:41.640 here, I'm thinking to myself, this is not working. We're going to 296 00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:45.960 make some changes here. I mean, how many yards are we losing if 297 00:25:47.039 --> 00:25:51.799 by having our hands up there and our heads still down? Hard to quantify, 298 00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:56.599 but a decent amount, no question about that, right. But then 299 00:25:56.640 --> 00:26:00.079 the other factor is hurting yourself too, which you will if you do that 300 00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:06.279 long enough, physically hurt yourself. Physically hurt your back. Yeah, you're 301 00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:10.839 really stressing the back when you do that. If you let, you know, 302 00:26:10.960 --> 00:26:15.640 keep keep rotating, you're going to be kind to your body. I 303 00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:21.000 think doing that, but not keeping the head down forever. What about tennis 304 00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:23.599 elbow? Is this something that you know, there's golfer's elbow and there's tennis 305 00:26:23.599 --> 00:26:27.319 elbow. I've been dealing with tennis elbow. What might and I'm not even 306 00:26:27.319 --> 00:26:32.519 asked anybody what might have caused that other than being at my desk all day? 307 00:26:32.839 --> 00:26:37.519 Is it? Is it the golf swing that has impacted that well? 308 00:26:38.119 --> 00:26:42.039 You know, I'm not I'm not an orthopedic surgeon, but I would say 309 00:26:42.119 --> 00:26:45.960 so many, but you act like going on TV. Yeah, so many, 310 00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:52.960 so many ranges nowadays our mats only just because it's less expensive. And 311 00:26:52.799 --> 00:26:56.759 you know, if you're trying to lean the shaft and compress the ball, 312 00:26:56.920 --> 00:27:00.240 and maybe the MAT's been there for four years and it's getting worn and there's 313 00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:04.519 no cushion. You start beating on those with irons after a while, and 314 00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:08.839 that the elbows can start to hurt, and those are as, you know, 315 00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:14.000 they it's tough to get rid of that. You really have to take 316 00:27:14.039 --> 00:27:18.200 some time off. Yeah, I'm taking you three months off, and I'm 317 00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:22.279 realizing I've got a ten year old mat back here I'm hitting off of. 318 00:27:22.119 --> 00:27:26.559 Yeah, and that could be it right there. It's my own mat. 319 00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:33.319 Yeah, but I think that it was on a driving range before it was 320 00:27:33.359 --> 00:27:37.240 given to met it. Yeah, yeah, so it had some mileage on 321 00:27:37.319 --> 00:27:40.119 it already. And I thought, oh boy, this matt must be getting 322 00:27:40.160 --> 00:27:42.200 old because I'm seeing all the remnants of the mat on the bottom of my 323 00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:45.799 clubs. It's like, yeah, now I'm like, oh wait a minute, 324 00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:49.759 my arm's killing me. It's probably from hitting in this mat, I 325 00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:53.759 think, so, I think, so time to get a new mat. 326 00:27:55.000 --> 00:28:00.160 Maybe maybe get a new mat and see if that helps the elbows. Yeah, 327 00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:03.200 yeah, there's great advice, thank you, you know, when you 328 00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:08.599 stop, but think about maintaining a grass surface range with all the divots that 329 00:28:08.640 --> 00:28:12.880 are being taken. It's a it's a pricey situation. Place I teach, 330 00:28:14.480 --> 00:28:18.000 they used to use grass on the weekends and they stopped that five years ago, 331 00:28:18.119 --> 00:28:22.279 so it's it's only matts now. Yeah. And plus when you're hitting 332 00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:29.039 on a a driving range that's grass most of the time, it's very sandy. 333 00:28:29.079 --> 00:28:33.200 It's what there's a lot of sand they're using to you know, and 334 00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:37.279 so it's not really grass. So it's hard to get a good sense of 335 00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:41.720 what you're doing when you're hitting the ball. That's what I've found. A 336 00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:45.839 lot of people can hit the ground an inch and a half behind the ball 337 00:28:47.039 --> 00:28:51.400 on a mat and still get a serviceable shot, and they think, well, 338 00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:53.160 I'm really doing wow, and they get out on the golf course and 339 00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:57.400 it doesn't work quite as well. I can't believe how many golfers that I've 340 00:28:57.400 --> 00:29:02.640 come across that are lifetime golfs that when I say, okay, so if 341 00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:07.160 the ball is here, where should the bottom of your swing be? Thinking 342 00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:10.559 that the swing is a circle, so there's a bottom to that swing, 343 00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:14.279 bottom of the circle. Where in relation to the ball should it be? 344 00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:18.759 Should it be you know, three inches behind the ball, right at the 345 00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:22.640 ball, in front of the ball. And I can't believe how many people 346 00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:26.680 are shocked to hear that the bottom of the swing should be in front of 347 00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:30.359 the ball, you know, past it as far as where your swing is. 348 00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:30.960 They're like, what are you talking about. It's like, no, 349 00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:33.440 no, you hit the ball first, then you hit the ground. That's 350 00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:37.440 how you get a good divot. That's all. Also how you get your 351 00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:41.640 compression on the ball at the risk of at the risk of antagonizing you further. 352 00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:45.759 Oh, go for it. You're never coming back on the show again 353 00:29:45.799 --> 00:29:51.640 anyway. This is what Steck and Tilda is all about, is bottom point 354 00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:57.039 control. And when you're not when you're not moving laterally in either direction and 355 00:29:57.079 --> 00:30:00.680 you're right on top of it, your bottom points going to be in the 356 00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:06.119 same place all the time. And you know, every person that shows up 357 00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:11.119 for a lesson, to me is totally different. And I have a bag 358 00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:15.720 full of tools that I use, and I'll pull out, hopefully the right 359 00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:22.440 tools for the individual's issue. And if somebody is swaying off the ball in 360 00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:26.440 a big way and I can see they got ninety five percent of their weight 361 00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:32.599 on the outside of their trail foot, I'm not going to say stack untilt. 362 00:30:32.720 --> 00:30:37.200 I'm just going to say, let's kind of stay centered a little bit 363 00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:41.640 more. I've got a video that I send to a lot of serial swayers 364 00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:49.480 that's of two great LPGA Tour players and at four different places in the swinging 365 00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:56.720 it shows weight distribution percentages fifty to fifty in the setup at the top of 366 00:30:56.759 --> 00:31:02.400 the back swing, fifty to fifty, which shocks every wow, seventy thirty 367 00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:07.599 lead footed impact, and then ninety eight two. But there's kind of a 368 00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:15.599 buzz term in recent years in golf instruction where people talk about going into your 369 00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:21.240 trail foot and not onto your trail foot, and there's a big difference there. 370 00:31:21.559 --> 00:31:26.599 To understand what I mean, no, please explain. Yeah, you're 371 00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:30.240 keeping your weight on the inner half of your trail foot in the back swing 372 00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:37.880 rather than getting it totally on it. So if you look at if you 373 00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:44.680 look at Hogan top of backswing, Nicholas top of backswing most all good players. 374 00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:48.039 There's not a ton of weight over there. There really is not. 375 00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:56.359 And that's why I think stack and tilt can be valuable for the right person, 376 00:31:56.880 --> 00:32:00.240 for the right person, the right person, but not everybody, Not 377 00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:07.079 everybody, No, everybody. I played golf out in Vegas a couple of 378 00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:09.880 years ago and I met this guy who was the director of golf. I 379 00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:15.359 won't mention the name of the club, but he'd been teaching Fred Couples for 380 00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:19.599 forty years. And I'm thinking, I think, to myself, you know, 381 00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:22.160 what, what are you telling Fred Couples. I actually I did say 382 00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:29.200 that to him, and he said everybody has an issue. Everybody has an 383 00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:34.279 issue. And I didn't ask him what Couple's issue was, but oh man, 384 00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:37.799 yeah, I don't think he would have told me. Well that's different. 385 00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:43.960 Yeah, I think we'd all like to have Fred Couple's issues, right, 386 00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:49.559 I have the issue of the name Fred. So yeah, yeah, 387 00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:53.799 all Fred's. All Fred's are good guys and talented. Yeah, better Fred 388 00:32:53.839 --> 00:33:00.039 than dead. Oh all right, Well, let's take one quick time out 389 00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:10.079 here, another sixty seconds and we'll continue on with John Marshall. John, 390 00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:20.960 I'm really curious to see if you can help go through a long drive swing 391 00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:25.720 on competition. Break it down of what you're feeling in your process, your 392 00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:31.880 set up, your thought process, and what it feels like when you're competing 393 00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:39.519 and going for as much distance as you possibly can. And accuracy. Well, 394 00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:45.440 I certainly struggled with the accuracy part initially, and when I was I 395 00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:51.200 did this for god what eight years. I basically didn't play golf at all, 396 00:33:51.319 --> 00:33:55.599 maybe ten rounds a year, but I would practice, especially leading up 397 00:33:55.640 --> 00:34:01.279 to a competition. I'd hit one hundred drivers a day in addition to working 398 00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:07.280 out a lot, and you know, you just kind of train yourself to 399 00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:15.280 get to maximize your speed as best you can. I I've always done the 400 00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:19.599 doctor Shoul's foot spray on the on the club face to make sure I'm at 401 00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:22.280 least somewhere near the center of the face, because that's a huge deal. 402 00:34:23.320 --> 00:34:28.320 But yeah, it was. It was always. I don't want to say 403 00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:32.079 it was easy, because nothing's easy related to golf for long drive, but 404 00:34:34.880 --> 00:34:38.119 it was fun once I started figuring the club face out too. And we 405 00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:45.559 you know, you and I joked a week or so ago about the manual 406 00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:52.079 de latora guy who said toe up and towed down up here. No no, 407 00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:58.679 And I'm not I'm never critical of other teachers, but I'd like I'd 408 00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:05.119 like to have him find out someone who agrees with him nowadays on that Okay, 409 00:35:06.920 --> 00:35:10.480 that doesn't work, doesn't work. No, no. And that's what 410 00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:15.360 I love about doing this podcast is somebody's going to come on one week and 411 00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:17.920 say this is the only way you're going to have consistency and distance, and 412 00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:24.519 someone will come on next week going no, no, doesn't work that way 413 00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:30.280 now. Well, so that's a warning to all listeners. Please, if 414 00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:34.760 you don't like what you hear on this show, come back next week. 415 00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:38.920 You come back next week because you hear something different. I mentioned starting at 416 00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:44.639 fourteen. Are you ready to come back on now or are not out a 417 00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:50.079 break? Oh? We we're in man, Oh you are? Oh yeah? 418 00:35:50.159 --> 00:35:52.840 No? No, no, I love No, We're This is part 419 00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:57.199 of the show. Surprised. So when I was starting at fourteen, I 420 00:35:57.239 --> 00:36:02.199 took two lessons and the guy said, when the shaft's parallel to the ground 421 00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:07.239 halfway back, toe up, I want ninety percent of your weight on your 422 00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:13.519 right foot, and then I want you to shift your weight to the left 423 00:36:14.119 --> 00:36:20.800 and roll the hand, roll your hands closed and squared a club face and 424 00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:27.320 hit it a mile that's straight. And I tried that and realized it didn't 425 00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:32.239 work, so I kind of worked things out on my own. I still 426 00:36:32.360 --> 00:36:36.800 rolled the club face open a little bit, but not to that extent. 427 00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:45.360 But so shaft parallel to the ground halfway back. Club face should be parallel 428 00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:50.199 to the spine angle. Why is this a square club face because if you 429 00:36:50.320 --> 00:36:54.960 think of the arc of the of the club going back. When I'm in 430 00:36:55.000 --> 00:37:00.800 that position with that club head tipped forward, it's indicular to my path. 431 00:37:02.519 --> 00:37:07.719 You with me, that's square And I'm loving hearing this. Keep going. 432 00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:12.280 And then at the top of the back swing, I want a flat left 433 00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:15.199 wrist. I'm going to have a flat left wrist that impact. If I've 434 00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:19.639 got a flat left wrist up here, I don't have to do anything. 435 00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:24.159 And this is a little harder to understand or visualize, but I want to 436 00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:30.280 have the club face parallel to my left forearm at the top of the back 437 00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:36.360 swing, I'm right into the golfer. That may be tough to visualize there, 438 00:37:36.440 --> 00:37:42.559 but definition of square club face over the last ten, twelve, fifteen 439 00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:50.119 years has changed dramatically for the better. For the better, Yeah, yeah, 440 00:37:50.159 --> 00:37:55.199 totally. Yeah, what are you doing when you when you're in positions 441 00:37:55.280 --> 00:38:04.119 like I talked about your Every golf swing requires timing, but you're chopping a 442 00:38:04.199 --> 00:38:07.920 lot of that need for timing away. If I'm not rolling the club fase 443 00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:13.639 open and closed. That's one one factor I don't have to worry about. 444 00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:16.880 And I don't hit it as far as I used to by any means. 445 00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:22.039 But I mean, I don't curve the ball two inches. Typically everything is 446 00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:29.719 is pretty much dead straight because I zero out my path and zero out my 447 00:38:30.320 --> 00:38:35.079 club face, so ball just goes straight and doesn't curve at all. I 448 00:38:35.079 --> 00:38:37.360 can make it curve if I need to. But yeah, that was gonna 449 00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:40.079 be my question. Are you do you have the ability to shape the shots 450 00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:44.880 if you need to. You know, it's harder to do nowadays with the 451 00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:50.199 technology of the golf ball, but yeah, I can. I can still 452 00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:54.039 do it. Yeah, It's it's not going to curve as much as it 453 00:38:54.079 --> 00:38:59.840 did with a blot of ball thirty years ago, but you can. You 454 00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:05.559 can still curve it. I'm sure you can curve it. No, I 455 00:39:05.599 --> 00:39:13.440 mean, like my drives, I either hit a small small fade or straight. 456 00:39:14.559 --> 00:39:15.679 It's like, I haven't played month, so I'm like, what do 457 00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:23.000 I do? But uh, I just in the last couple of months that 458 00:39:23.079 --> 00:39:27.679 I was playing, I was just starting. I rolled, I brought my 459 00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:34.920 right handed golfer. I brought my left hand a little bit rotate clockwise right, 460 00:39:35.400 --> 00:39:38.079 yeah, on the on the grip, and I was starting to hit 461 00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:43.920 a draw for the first time, and I'm like, okay, and then 462 00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:46.360 my arm started hurtating And I'm like, is that when my arm was hurting 463 00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:52.960 because I moved my my my hand on the club. No, because I'm 464 00:39:53.159 --> 00:39:58.719 Matt. When you say you hit a draw, is it starting out right 465 00:39:58.760 --> 00:40:02.039 of the target and then moving back to the target or starting out left? 466 00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:09.280 No, It's it's starting where I'm like, I'm aiming and then and then 467 00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:13.559 going a little bit to the left. It's not got your going guard left. 468 00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:17.960 It's it's you can see the ballflight going up and then it's starting to 469 00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:21.440 move a little bit to the left, which is like, Oh, I'm 470 00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:23.920 hitting a draw yay after all these years, Like really do I want to 471 00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:29.800 do that? Yeah? I hit a student last year who was a lifelog 472 00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:35.840 slicer and not a real talented golfer, and we're working on grip and club 473 00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:39.760 fase control and he's got this big out day in path and he hits this 474 00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:45.559 pull hook that Marlon Perkins couldn't find, and he just lit up and said, 475 00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:49.920 I mean the guy from time, Oh my god, I hit the 476 00:40:49.960 --> 00:40:52.360 first draw in my life. And he was just so giddy, and I 477 00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:55.440 didn't want to break it to him that you're never going to find that golf 478 00:40:55.519 --> 00:41:04.119 ball. But uh, you know it's all about You probably know this from 479 00:41:05.079 --> 00:41:12.039 talking to instructors, but the longer the club the greater the impact of the 480 00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:15.719 clubface. With driver, it's eighty five percent of where the ball's going. 481 00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:22.199 His clubpase with a wedge probably more like fifty percent of where it's going. 482 00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:27.880 But controlling the club face is what golf is all about. I'm a huge 483 00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:35.519 Victor Holin fan, and he talks about when people ask him about why he's 484 00:41:35.559 --> 00:41:39.440 so successful, he says, I have a very very stable clubface, and 485 00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:44.599 I don't open it, I don't close it. It's always square all the 486 00:41:44.679 --> 00:41:49.000 way through here. Works pretty well for him, Yes, it does, 487 00:41:49.519 --> 00:41:52.800 the problem is we go, Oh, I saw Victor Holin hit shots on 488 00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:55.960 TV. I can do that, and you just go out to the golf 489 00:41:57.000 --> 00:42:00.239 course, not even practice it. You just go to the golf course going, 490 00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:02.119 I'm going to channel Victor Hovlin today. It's like, no, you're 491 00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:07.239 not, probably not, probably not. Yeah, no, don't. I 492 00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:10.880 saw this shot on TV. I can do this. Yeah, exactly. 493 00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:20.159 I so frequently I say to students, you don't have any idea how hard 494 00:42:20.159 --> 00:42:23.559 the golf courses are that they're playing, and you have no idea how good 495 00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:27.760 they are, even if you watch them. You don't have any idea how 496 00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:30.960 good they are. And you're talking to a guy who's a scratch golfer and 497 00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:36.480 they still don't have the clue. No, no, exactly. Well, 498 00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:44.079 you know, Larry Nelson is three time major champion. He's a local Atlantic 499 00:42:44.119 --> 00:42:46.519 guy. He won two PGA's in the US Open. But I remember him 500 00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:54.599 saying one time that the difference between and eighteen and scratch is smaller than the 501 00:42:54.679 --> 00:43:04.760 difference between scratch and tour player. Wow. Yeah, I mean those guys 502 00:43:05.480 --> 00:43:12.320 with the USGA index would be plus six, plus seven, plus eight. 503 00:43:12.360 --> 00:43:15.079 I mean it's yeah, Tiger was a plus ten at one point. Yeah, 504 00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:23.119 it's it's crazy. They're good. They're talented and they're they're good. 505 00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:31.079 And but they also have a seventy five yard dispersion with their t shots from 506 00:43:31.239 --> 00:43:38.559 one hundred and twenty yards they average roughly twenty three feet according to Scott Fawcett. 507 00:43:38.679 --> 00:43:46.639 And but they they they picked the right targets, they understand their dispersion. 508 00:43:49.400 --> 00:43:53.880 They're dialed in on how far they hit each club they have they have, 509 00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:59.199 you know, from equipment standpoint, they have a lot of advantages over 510 00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:04.320 us normal people. But they're really good. They're really good, and that's 511 00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:08.000 why they make a lot of money. Yeah, well they try or they 512 00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:12.079 go play for the Saudis and make a lot of money. Yeah, yeah, 513 00:44:12.199 --> 00:44:19.840 yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, And that's a I decided to actually 514 00:44:20.039 --> 00:44:24.840 at the first week of January, I decided I'm going to go on strike. 515 00:44:24.920 --> 00:44:29.039 I mean, I'm a huge golf and I have been my whole life, 516 00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:31.920 just like you. But I said, I'm going to go on strike 517 00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:36.320 and I'm not going to watch. And I didn't watch the first two weeks, 518 00:44:36.480 --> 00:44:43.119 and then last week I didn't watch. This is at Palm Springs. 519 00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:49.039 I didn't watch Thursday, Friday, Saturday. But then Sunday I wake up 520 00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:55.000 and I realize what's going on with Nick dun Lamp And my best friend and 521 00:44:55.079 --> 00:45:00.360 I go to the NCAA's every year because we love ouch golf, and we 522 00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:04.960 watched him playlist year, so you know, the guy's good. But I 523 00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:07.159 had to watch that, and I mean, that was an amazing story, 524 00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:14.559 so amazing story. Yeah. Yeah, And I'm sure I'm sure Live has 525 00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:17.800 probably come after him. I know he's he's on the PGA tour now, 526 00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:22.440 but I'm sure they've come after him. Didn't you love how he said the 527 00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:23.639 next week He's like, yeah, I'm not going to plan the tour event 528 00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:28.199 this week. I want to go home. Yeah. Yeah, good for 529 00:45:28.239 --> 00:45:31.840 you kid. That's the That's kind of a mature decision right there. And 530 00:45:31.880 --> 00:45:37.800 I think he wanted to go back and do the right thing with his coach 531 00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:45.000 and his teammates and very admirable. Yeah. I'm a fan, absolutely, 532 00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:47.840 absolutely. So you're teaching, now, do you teach online or do you 533 00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:52.119 only teach in person? What do you I'm only only in person, But 534 00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:58.239 I'm actually thinking about trying to do a little bit more than I have in 535 00:45:58.280 --> 00:46:05.559 the past informally that I may try to set up some kind of a system 536 00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:08.719 to do that. I've already proven to you that I'm a master of technology. 537 00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:14.599 So we're here. You're doing it. You figured it out. How 538 00:46:14.599 --> 00:46:15.760 do people get in touch with you if they'd like to get a lesson? 539 00:46:17.239 --> 00:46:27.960 Our website is jmlong drive dot com, jmm yep, grive dot com. 540 00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:36.840 Phone number and email addresser on there, and love working with everyone, Love 541 00:46:36.920 --> 00:46:40.039 working with everyone. Well, I really enjoyed working with you today. This 542 00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:45.320 has been awesome. Thank you very kind. Fred. It was fun for 543 00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:50.880 me too, and hope our paths cross again. Maybe you said you're coming 544 00:46:50.920 --> 00:46:54.639 to Atlanta, assume maybe we can break bread or I can give you a 545 00:46:54.639 --> 00:46:59.760 golf lesson if you have a little time. That's great. Thanks so much 546 00:46:59.800 --> 00:47:02.719 for being on today, John, I enjoyed it, Emncho, thank you 547 00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:09.599 for having me. Well. I was wondering when AI was going to start 548 00:47:09.639 --> 00:47:15.480 having an impact on this podcast, and it has arrived after recording this interview 549 00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:20.920 with John. The platform I use called Riverside FM, and if you're a 550 00:47:20.960 --> 00:47:25.800 podcaster, I'd seriously recommend it to you. 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