WEBVTT 1 00:00:32.119 --> 00:00:36.719 Welcome back to the Path went Chili. I'm Robin, I'm Jules, and 2 00:00:36.960 --> 00:00:40.840 I'm so sorry to all the listeners. I sound awful. I'm pretty sick, 3 00:00:40.960 --> 00:00:44.799 but we're going to soldier through, so hopefully you all don't mind my 4 00:00:45.159 --> 00:00:49.719 kind of mannish sounding voice for the next hour. Well, Jules, I 5 00:00:49.719 --> 00:00:53.600 think you sound fantastic. It's me Ashley, and I am ready to record. 6 00:00:55.399 --> 00:00:58.600 Well, the listeners missed you during our last two episodes since you were 7 00:00:58.640 --> 00:01:02.320 on holidays that week. It was Thanksgiving, and as everyone is aware, 8 00:01:02.439 --> 00:01:06.120 Jules and I are Canadians, so we celebrated it one month earlier and then 9 00:01:06.159 --> 00:01:08.640 decided to do our last two episodes just with the two of us. So 10 00:01:08.920 --> 00:01:12.840 how was your Thanksgiving? Ash It was awesome. Thank you guys for filling 11 00:01:12.920 --> 00:01:17.400 in for me. I missed all of you as well. I was very 12 00:01:17.439 --> 00:01:19.159 blessed to be able to go home to Florida and be with my mom, 13 00:01:19.280 --> 00:01:22.920 dad, brother, and sister in law. Got to take two of the 14 00:01:22.959 --> 00:01:26.840 girls with us, so I feel very grateful. God is good and I'm 15 00:01:26.879 --> 00:01:30.319 back with my two friends recording a podcast tonight. So life is looking beautiful. 16 00:01:32.560 --> 00:01:37.400 So now that I'm back in the action, let's dive right into this 17 00:01:37.439 --> 00:01:44.120 week's case. April fifteenth, two thousand and four, Forsyth County, Georgia. 18 00:01:44.920 --> 00:01:48.799 After finishing a phone call with a customer, thirty eight year old Patrese 19 00:01:48.879 --> 00:01:53.040 Andres vanishes from the hair salon that she owns, and two eyewitnesses report having 20 00:01:53.079 --> 00:01:59.000 seen her in the parking lot next to an unidentified individual in a blue vehicle. 21 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:05.599 Nearly eighteen months later, Patrese's remains are discovered in a wooded area located 22 00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:10.560 six miles away. Police look into a number of potential suspects, including Patrese's 23 00:02:10.639 --> 00:02:15.759 husband and the pair of convicted serial killers, one of whom confessed to the 24 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:20.759 murder, but there are still no answers about who actually killed her. After 25 00:02:20.800 --> 00:02:24.080 that, the path went chilly. Today, we're going to be exploring a 26 00:02:24.120 --> 00:02:29.439 case which was featured on the Netflix reboot of Unsolved Mysteries, the two thousand 27 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:34.439 and four Murder of Patrese Andres. This particular story was featured on the first 28 00:02:34.439 --> 00:02:38.039 Netflix season, which dropped three and a half years ago, and the episode 29 00:02:38.039 --> 00:02:42.680 in question was titled Thirteen Minutes. It involves a wife and mother named Patrise 30 00:02:42.719 --> 00:02:46.039 Andris, who vanished from the hair salon she owned during the middle of a 31 00:02:46.120 --> 00:02:50.080 shift, and thirteen minutes is the window of time between when she was last 32 00:02:50.080 --> 00:02:53.120 confirmed to be alive and when she seemed to go missing. There was ample 33 00:02:53.159 --> 00:02:57.919 evidence to suggest that Patrese was the victim of an abduction, and she would 34 00:02:57.960 --> 00:03:00.639 remain a missing person for nearly eighteen months, months before her remains were found. 35 00:03:01.159 --> 00:03:06.199 Now I vividly remember though, when the Unsolved Mysteries episode originally dropped, 36 00:03:06.560 --> 00:03:10.199 most of the attention was focused on Patrese's husband, Rob Andris, who managed 37 00:03:10.199 --> 00:03:15.680 to rub everyone the wrong way with perhaps the most bizarre interview in the history 38 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:19.560 of the show. Pateresa's son from a previous marriage, as well as many 39 00:03:19.560 --> 00:03:23.680 of her friends and family members, suspected Rob of being involved in her death, 40 00:03:23.759 --> 00:03:27.960 but he seemed to have an alibi, and eyewitness accounts placed another person 41 00:03:27.960 --> 00:03:31.960 who did not match Rob's description outside the salon during the time period Patrese went 42 00:03:32.000 --> 00:03:38.360 missing. So is it possible that Rob's behavior has clouded people's perceptions and diverted 43 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:42.840 attention from the real perpetrator. I originally covered this on The Trail Went Cold. 44 00:03:42.879 --> 00:03:46.759 Only a few months after the release of the Unsolved Mysteries episode, But 45 00:03:46.879 --> 00:03:50.240 since there has been a recent development in this case, I thought now would 46 00:03:50.240 --> 00:03:53.000 be a good time for us to revisit it. On the Pathway Chile. 47 00:03:53.439 --> 00:03:55.120 Well, this one's going to be an interesting case to talk about. We 48 00:03:55.280 --> 00:04:00.280 have the typical husband who's a suspect. That's always the case when we're talking 49 00:04:00.280 --> 00:04:02.879 about a murder investigation. We go to the people closest to the victim, 50 00:04:03.319 --> 00:04:09.000 and I find it very interesting that she's found so close to where she was 51 00:04:09.240 --> 00:04:13.879 but eighteen months later. Was that area a place that was heavily wooded or 52 00:04:13.919 --> 00:04:17.360 disguised or is it surprising it took eighteen months to discover her body. It 53 00:04:17.439 --> 00:04:20.800 was a wooded area, like it was behind a certain location. But you 54 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:25.839 can understand why no one would have been looking in this area after she went 55 00:04:25.879 --> 00:04:30.480 missing, because it was about six miles away. And since this was on 56 00:04:30.519 --> 00:04:33.560 the Unsolved Mysteries Netflix reboot, I know that you did watch that, Ashley. 57 00:04:33.600 --> 00:04:36.279 Do you remember this case at all? The episode about this one? 58 00:04:36.600 --> 00:04:39.600 I don't. I don't. At first, I thought it was going to 59 00:04:39.639 --> 00:04:42.560 be the girl who went for a walk and they didn't ever see her again. 60 00:04:42.600 --> 00:04:44.639 But then you started talking about her husband and things of that I'm like, 61 00:04:44.680 --> 00:04:46.480 Nope, not the same person. So I don't remember this one. 62 00:04:47.279 --> 00:04:50.199 It may come back to you once we start talking about how weird the husband 63 00:04:50.240 --> 00:04:58.279 is. Well, bring on weird husbands. Our story begins in Georgia in 64 00:04:58.319 --> 00:05:02.079 two thousand and four. Her central figure is thirty eight year old Patrese Andres. 65 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:08.720 Patrese lives in Coming, a small town of around five thousand people located 66 00:05:08.720 --> 00:05:13.439 in Forsyth County, alongside her fifty eight year old husband, Rob Andres. 67 00:05:13.639 --> 00:05:16.439 The couple have been married for seven years at this point and also live with 68 00:05:16.480 --> 00:05:21.480 Patrice's fifteen year old son from a previous relationship, Delvis Wade Black, who 69 00:05:21.519 --> 00:05:27.600 goes by the nickname Pistol. Patrese was known for having a wild side during 70 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:30.959 her younger days and even worked as an exotic dancer for a time, but 71 00:05:31.079 --> 00:05:35.000 the birth of Pistol seemed to change everything and she would turn out to be 72 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:41.000 a devoted mother who had a very close relationship with her son. She decided 73 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:44.399 to go to school to become a hair stylist, and it was while working 74 00:05:44.439 --> 00:05:47.720 at a salon when she originally met Rob when he stopped in for a haircut. 75 00:05:48.680 --> 00:05:53.160 However, Patrice always dreamed about opening up a salon of her own, 76 00:05:53.720 --> 00:05:58.439 and she finally achieved her goal when both she and Rob purchased a building located 77 00:05:58.480 --> 00:06:03.240 on Georgia State Route three sixty nine in the unincorporated community of matt The salon 78 00:06:03.279 --> 00:06:08.639 would be named Tamber's Trim and Tan, as Tamber happened to be the surname 79 00:06:08.680 --> 00:06:14.800 of Patrice's birth family. Patrese gradually built a solid clientele of regular customers who 80 00:06:14.839 --> 00:06:19.199 appreciated her fun personality, positive attitude, and chatty nature. On the morning 81 00:06:19.199 --> 00:06:25.199 of April fifteenth, Patrise dropped Pistol off at school before heading to the salon 82 00:06:25.279 --> 00:06:30.079 to open it for business. At around noon, one of Patrese's customers showed 83 00:06:30.160 --> 00:06:33.519 up at the salon for an appointment, but even though her Chevy Tahoe SUV 84 00:06:33.800 --> 00:06:39.399 was still parked outside, there was no sign of Patrese. Her pursing keys 85 00:06:39.439 --> 00:06:42.920 were left behind on her desk, her lunch was on the counter next to 86 00:06:42.959 --> 00:06:47.560 the microwave, and the cash register was opened and completely empty. Patrese's wallet 87 00:06:47.600 --> 00:06:51.120 had also been removed from her purse, but her credit cards were still in 88 00:06:51.199 --> 00:06:56.040 there, as well as two hundred and seventy dollars in cash, which she 89 00:06:56.160 --> 00:07:00.920 kept hidden inside a secret compartment. While there didn't appear to be any signs 90 00:07:00.920 --> 00:07:04.839 of struggle or violence, the customer was still concerned enough to contact the forsythe 91 00:07:04.839 --> 00:07:11.560 county shriff's office, and report Patrice missing. This is so bizarre because it's 92 00:07:11.959 --> 00:07:15.879 signs that things were normal and signs that things weren't normal. So this poor 93 00:07:15.879 --> 00:07:18.199 customer who's waiting's going, okay, I mean she got here today, her 94 00:07:18.240 --> 00:07:23.360 car's here, her lunches on the counter next to the microwave, her keys 95 00:07:23.399 --> 00:07:27.360 and purse are here. But wait a minute, the cash resster's wide open 96 00:07:27.399 --> 00:07:30.399 and empty. That's odd. And we find out that her wallet's missing, 97 00:07:30.519 --> 00:07:34.879 so it's almost as if someone was robbing the place and took them with her. 98 00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:39.879 But then there's no sign of a struggle or any kind of disorder going 99 00:07:39.920 --> 00:07:45.639 on. So it's these mixed messages. But imagine in broad daylight, wondering, 100 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:47.920 Wait a minute, we know Patrise got here, we know that she's 101 00:07:47.959 --> 00:07:50.920 settled in for the day, and then all of a sudden, she just 102 00:07:51.160 --> 00:07:56.360 vanishes. Yeah, this is not the only case that I've covered on the 103 00:07:56.360 --> 00:07:59.639 Trail and Cold in which something bad has happened. To an innocent victim while 104 00:07:59.639 --> 00:08:03.720 they were working inside a salon. Up Usually it's women working by themselves. 105 00:08:03.759 --> 00:08:07.040 I note that I did one earlier this year called the Florence Salon murderers, 106 00:08:07.079 --> 00:08:11.319 where an employee and two customers were all shot to death inside a remote salon 107 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:16.120 next to a highway. And you can understand the vulnerability there if you're working 108 00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:18.279 alone. That if someone was just passing through and decided to go in there 109 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:22.480 to commit a murder or an abduction, they might be able to pull it 110 00:08:22.519 --> 00:08:26.720 off before anyone noticed they were missing. So later that afternoon, Pistol was 111 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:30.680 summoned to the office at a school and asked if he could get in touch 112 00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:35.200 with his mother. Pistol proceeded to call Patrise's cell phone three times, but 113 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:37.600 the cause all went straight to voicemail, and she never attempted to call him 114 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:43.080 back. Throughout the day. Some of Patrese's older friends tried her cell phone 115 00:08:43.120 --> 00:08:46.039 and only got her voicemail. At the time, Rob was working a ship 116 00:08:46.120 --> 00:08:50.360 as a maintenance supervisor in Conyer's, a suburb of Atlanta, and he would 117 00:08:50.360 --> 00:08:56.679 be informed about Patrese's disappearance sometime between two and three pm. The police were 118 00:08:56.720 --> 00:09:00.840 able to use Patrese's appointment book to put together a timeline the morning she went 119 00:09:00.879 --> 00:09:03.919 missing, and it showed that she had a mostly non stop stream of customers 120 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:09.360 after she opened for business. The last known customer to have gotten a haircut 121 00:09:09.440 --> 00:09:13.399 from Patrese left the salon at eleven twenty seven am, as phone records established 122 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:16.759 that he received a call on his cell while he was leaving. The last 123 00:09:16.799 --> 00:09:22.720 confirmed interaction with Patrese was from another customer who phoned the salon to reschedule an 124 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:26.480 appointment. She said that Patrise was unusually short with her during their conversation, 125 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:31.480 and phone records would confirm that the call ended at eleven thirty seven. The 126 00:09:31.519 --> 00:09:35.679 next call to the salon came in at eleven fifty, but there was no 127 00:09:35.759 --> 00:09:39.679 answer, so it seemed likely that something happened to Patrice during that thirteen minute 128 00:09:39.679 --> 00:09:45.919 window. So she gets a call from the salon, or she gets a 129 00:09:45.919 --> 00:09:48.960 call at the salon from a customer, and she seems unusually short. Remember 130 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:54.200 she's loved for her energetic, happy attitude. We all have our days where 131 00:09:54.200 --> 00:09:58.240 we're not in those moods, even if we are a super positive person. 132 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:05.039 But it almost view knowing the circumstances after this missing timeframe, that possibly someone 133 00:10:05.159 --> 00:10:09.679 was there that was frustrating her or making her feel uncomfortable, and she's trying 134 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:13.519 to get off the phone to handle this person because they're irritating her. I 135 00:10:13.559 --> 00:10:16.519 wonder if that was the case, or if she was struggling with something that 136 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:20.399 maybe wasn't a person in the salon, but was aware of something foreshadowing this 137 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:24.600 event. The other question I have for you, Robin, when we look 138 00:10:24.639 --> 00:10:28.960 at her husband and he's working at the time. Was he working from the 139 00:10:30.039 --> 00:10:33.320 morning when she drops her son off and you know, we know she has 140 00:10:33.360 --> 00:10:37.039 a customer until eleven twenty seven. Are his whereabouts accounted from that time to 141 00:10:37.159 --> 00:10:41.879 this two to three pm when he's notified of her disappearance. Uh? I 142 00:10:41.919 --> 00:10:45.519 think so we'll go into more details about it, but there they've always been 143 00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:48.639 kind of vague, the police, because they said, we haven't completely ruled 144 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:50.440 him out as a suspect, but an alibi. He does seem to have 145 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:54.559 a solid alibi. So I guess it's the thing where they're like, well, 146 00:10:54.639 --> 00:10:56.879 if you look at the timeline, it is possible he could have been 147 00:10:56.919 --> 00:11:01.039 there or during that window of time, but we just don't think it's likely, 148 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:03.399 because otherwise he would have had to get to work at a certain time 149 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:07.840 and he would have needed a certain amount of time to get there. So 150 00:11:07.840 --> 00:11:11.840 that's why they're thinking that maybe he didn't actually do this, but they are 151 00:11:11.879 --> 00:11:16.440 also have looked at the possibility of a murder for hire as well. One 152 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:20.879 of the most troubling details was the positioning of Patrese's Chevy Tahoe suv, as 153 00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:24.840 it was parked near the front door, facing in a westward direction, even 154 00:11:24.879 --> 00:11:30.080 though Patrese ordinarily back to suv into a spot next to the side of the 155 00:11:30.080 --> 00:11:35.799 building. In the earliest stages of the investigation, the media coverage was dominated 156 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:39.679 by accounts of an eyewitness sighting from a motorist who claimed she saw Patrese's SUV 157 00:11:41.080 --> 00:11:45.600 parked next to a white cargo van before an unidentified man in his late thirties 158 00:11:45.679 --> 00:11:50.399 or early forties walked around the van and entered through the driver's side. But 159 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:54.279 it would later turn out that this witness completely fabricated her story and she would 160 00:11:54.279 --> 00:11:58.360 be charged with making a false statement to police. However, there were two 161 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:03.480 other eyeweasness accounts from passing motorists that investigators found to be a lot more credible. 162 00:12:05.279 --> 00:12:09.600 They both were counted driving by the salon at approximately eleven forty five am 163 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:15.320 and seeing Patrese standing outside next to a parked vehicle and an unidentified individual. 164 00:12:16.039 --> 00:12:20.279 Since these two witnesses were completely independent of each other and gave such similar stories, 165 00:12:20.759 --> 00:12:24.840 their accounts were deemed to be believable. But oddly, they also both 166 00:12:24.919 --> 00:12:31.159 gave contradictory details. They each described seeing Patrice's SUV parked near the front door 167 00:12:31.279 --> 00:12:35.159 next to a blue vehicle, but the first witness described it as being a 168 00:12:35.279 --> 00:12:41.639 nineteen ninety two Chevy Lumina with a Georgia Wildlife tag, while the second witness 169 00:12:41.679 --> 00:12:46.039 thought it was a Ford Tourists or Malibu. The first witness also claimed that 170 00:12:46.080 --> 00:12:50.440 Patrese was interacting with an older woman and they appeared to have their hands on 171 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:54.600 each other, but the second witness described seeing Patrice with a man who had 172 00:12:54.600 --> 00:12:58.279 shoulder length pair. Well, we all know about eyewitness identification, and right 173 00:12:58.360 --> 00:13:05.360 here you where it's so problematic where multiple witnesses have very different stories going on. 174 00:13:05.879 --> 00:13:09.639 It is possible that you know this older lady was the man with the 175 00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:11.879 medium link pair or shoulder linked pair. It's also possible that man with a 176 00:13:11.919 --> 00:13:16.240 shoulder link pair wasn't always an older woman and the person didn't see it correctly. 177 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:20.960 It's also possible that it wasn't Patrise. So very frustrating when we look 178 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:24.279 at Okay, there's people coming forward trying to be helpful. Some people are 179 00:13:24.279 --> 00:13:28.399 coming forward not being helpful because they're making false statements to the police. But 180 00:13:28.519 --> 00:13:35.519 that really complicates the investigation. The cars that were described to the police by 181 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:39.960 these eyewitnesses do either happen to belong to the husband, they don't. I 182 00:13:39.960 --> 00:13:43.360 don't know what what car the husband was driving at that time, but I 183 00:13:43.399 --> 00:13:46.879 figured that if he was driving either a Chevy Lumina or a Ford Taurus or 184 00:13:46.919 --> 00:13:50.320 Malibu, that they probably would have the police probably would have said so. 185 00:13:50.799 --> 00:13:56.240 And Rob was also bald, and both the witnesses described seeing someone with longer 186 00:13:56.320 --> 00:14:00.399 shoulder length pairs, So unless he was wearing a wig to disguise himself, 187 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:03.279 that probably wasn't him that was seeing with Patrise. But I do agree with 188 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:07.279 your assessment that it's likely that they both saw the same person. Both of 189 00:14:07.320 --> 00:14:11.320 these witnesses and one of them mistakenly thought that a man was a woman or 190 00:14:11.399 --> 00:14:18.600 vice versa. So do you both think that this individual may have threatened Patrese 191 00:14:18.799 --> 00:14:24.399 and got her to go back into the salon and give the money from the 192 00:14:24.440 --> 00:14:28.600 register, and that's when the person called, and she was uncharacteristically short, 193 00:14:28.639 --> 00:14:33.360 like do you think it's possible they were brandishing a weapon or something like that, 194 00:14:33.759 --> 00:14:35.879 and that was why she sounded different on the phone, like she was 195 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:41.200 under some sort of dress. I should mention that the call occurred at eleven 196 00:14:41.320 --> 00:14:46.320 thirty seven, whereas these eyewitness sightings took place at approximately eleven forty five. 197 00:14:46.440 --> 00:14:50.320 So I don't think that she answered the phone after these sightings. But it 198 00:14:50.360 --> 00:14:54.200 is possible that this person was already in the salon with Patrese when the first 199 00:14:54.200 --> 00:14:58.960 phone call happened, and then this was the end result that a couple minutes 200 00:14:58.039 --> 00:15:03.080 later they went outside and then got into a confrontation. But do you both 201 00:15:03.080 --> 00:15:07.879 think that these eyewitnesses could be off like eleven thirty seven versus eleven forty five. 202 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:11.200 I mean, if you're approximating time, it could be possible that the 203 00:15:11.279 --> 00:15:16.360 events may be transpired in reverse. No, I think they could. I 204 00:15:16.360 --> 00:15:20.440 think they definitely could, And I mean the reality is that these aren't consistent 205 00:15:20.519 --> 00:15:26.519 statements, So something's off and I don't see a huge difference of unless I 206 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:31.480 me major was going on where eleven thirty seven and eleven forty five time for 207 00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:35.320 me is so relative when you're talking about eyewitnesses and what they saw, because 208 00:15:35.519 --> 00:15:37.480 it's like it was before noon. I mean, I don't really know much 209 00:15:37.519 --> 00:15:43.080 more accurate than that. And if I'm passing by the person with the medium 210 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:48.000 linked hair and the older lady, those could easily be misconstrued into different things, 211 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:50.480 right, Like you can make assumptions of the body frame was more of 212 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:52.519 a man, or that was more of a feminine body, and then looking 213 00:15:52.559 --> 00:15:54.519 back, you go, well, maybe I don't know. You know, 214 00:15:54.639 --> 00:16:00.200 we know there's tons of problems with an eyewitness and the last customer who was 215 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:04.360 in the salon left at eleven twenty seven. That was verified by phone records, 216 00:16:04.360 --> 00:16:07.799 and of course you have a ten minute window between this last customer leaving 217 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:11.320 and the last phone call from the customer, so of course anything could have 218 00:16:11.399 --> 00:16:15.159 happened. And I think there's a good chance that Patrice's killer or abductor showed 219 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:18.919 up during that ten minute window, and that's why she sounded so agitated on 220 00:16:18.960 --> 00:16:23.600 the phone anyway, A massive search effort was launched for Patrese, which would 221 00:16:23.600 --> 00:16:29.279 also involve the Georgia Bureau of Investigation. It failed to turn up any trace 222 00:16:29.320 --> 00:16:32.720 of her, and due to Patrese's close relationship with her son, no one 223 00:16:32.759 --> 00:16:37.679 believed that she took off voluntarily. However, her husband, Rob would immediately 224 00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:41.840 raise some red flags when he changed the locks on the residence the day after 225 00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:45.639 Patrese went missing. Pistol was out of the house at that time, and 226 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:48.360 when he returned home, Rob refused to answer the door and would not let 227 00:16:48.399 --> 00:16:53.120 him inside to get any of his clothing or personal possessions. Even though Pistol's 228 00:16:53.159 --> 00:16:56.919 relationship with Rob had been good for about a year after he married Patrise, 229 00:16:57.279 --> 00:17:03.159 things fell apart between them. Pistol felt that his stepfather always displayed a negative 230 00:17:03.159 --> 00:17:07.559 attitude towards him well, Rob believed that Patrice did not discipline her son enough. 231 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:11.759 Rob would later say that his decision to change the locks was a precautionary 232 00:17:11.799 --> 00:17:15.680 measure since his wife had just gone missing, and while he did personally like 233 00:17:15.759 --> 00:17:18.359 Pistol, he thought his stepson would be safer if he stayed somewhere else. 234 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:22.240 Pistol was forced to go live with other family members, and he eventually moved 235 00:17:22.279 --> 00:17:30.039 in with his biological father. Okay, I'm a stepparent. These relationships are 236 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:34.400 really difficult, especially at the beginning. Right that you have two people who 237 00:17:34.440 --> 00:17:38.920 fall in love and their kids are part of that package that you marry into. 238 00:17:40.039 --> 00:17:44.519 But the kids are not always open to relationships right away. The step 239 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:48.720 parents might struggle with accepting and relating to the step children. So the fact 240 00:17:48.759 --> 00:17:53.559 that Rob and Pistol kind of do go head to head does not surprise me. 241 00:17:53.799 --> 00:18:00.480 The fact that Rob watches Patrese's parenting skills and Patrese watches Rob's behavior and 242 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:04.960 they get frustrated with one another doesn't surprise me because I can tell you from 243 00:18:04.960 --> 00:18:11.400 experience. Rebel and I raise our children in different ways. Our homes are 244 00:18:11.440 --> 00:18:15.359 different, and even though it's out of love and for the betterment of our 245 00:18:15.400 --> 00:18:18.960 family and our home, we definitely close the door sometimes and go I do 246 00:18:18.039 --> 00:18:21.799 not agree with what just happened. I do not like that behavior. That 247 00:18:21.960 --> 00:18:23.759 was disrespectful. Right they should have done X, Y, and Z. 248 00:18:25.119 --> 00:18:27.000 And we're not always on the same page. We get on the same page, 249 00:18:27.160 --> 00:18:32.119 but that frustrations there, So that is not completely abnormal. I do 250 00:18:32.160 --> 00:18:37.279 find it interesting that Rob changes the locks because Patrice has access to the home 251 00:18:37.440 --> 00:18:41.920 with the keys that are there. And if she's just missing and we don't 252 00:18:41.960 --> 00:18:45.240 know necessarily that something violent has happened to her. What if she had a 253 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:48.680 mental health crisis and she just needs back into the house right she It almost 254 00:18:48.960 --> 00:18:53.599 blocks her from coming home. That idea that families all not move because the 255 00:18:53.799 --> 00:18:57.119 person's missing or that they're you know, they want the person to know where 256 00:18:57.160 --> 00:19:02.119 to come if they need ref or change their mind or whatever's going on. 257 00:19:02.920 --> 00:19:08.119 It is also complex that poor Pistol is kind of uprooted automatically. He doesn't 258 00:19:08.160 --> 00:19:14.359 get along great with Rob. So from the outside looking in, it's one 259 00:19:14.359 --> 00:19:17.880 of two things. You say, Pistol needs stability to be in the home 260 00:19:17.880 --> 00:19:21.319 that he's used to and Rob just happens to be the only parent there, 261 00:19:21.920 --> 00:19:23.960 so be it. But if they don't get along very well, could you 262 00:19:25.039 --> 00:19:29.400 also see potential for Rob's argument that it's better for Pistol to be with family 263 00:19:29.519 --> 00:19:33.000 and not just his stepdad who he doesn't get along with. Yeah, I 264 00:19:33.039 --> 00:19:37.920 also think that if Patrese does come home, that she's going to be pretty 265 00:19:37.960 --> 00:19:44.519 mad that in this moment of extreme stress. You're literally locking her son out 266 00:19:44.519 --> 00:19:48.599 of the home at the first chance that you get, and then you didn't 267 00:19:48.640 --> 00:19:52.119 even make arrangements for him to go elsewhere. He's got to figure that out 268 00:19:52.240 --> 00:19:56.400 himself. Okay that part, yes, that part, yes, Yeah, 269 00:19:56.440 --> 00:20:02.759 it looks like he knows that she isn't coming home by his actions, and 270 00:20:02.799 --> 00:20:04.880 ashly, I had assume that if your husband went missing, that you would 271 00:20:04.880 --> 00:20:08.279 not change the locks and refuse your step daughters from coming into the house and 272 00:20:08.319 --> 00:20:12.000 not even letting them collect their personal possessions like that is the part that is 273 00:20:12.039 --> 00:20:18.960 just playing weird. Absolutely absolutely, I'm simply saying the action on the surface 274 00:20:18.039 --> 00:20:21.480 is kind of like mare. Now when you dig deeper like that, when 275 00:20:21.519 --> 00:20:25.000 you say you're not allowed here, well, that's their home. That's where 276 00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:26.960 their mother should be coming home to, right, That's where Pistol's mom should 277 00:20:26.960 --> 00:20:33.000 be coming home to. So if you're emotionally sound, you say, he 278 00:20:33.160 --> 00:20:37.640 needs this space as much as anybody else because his mom's missing and hopefully she's 279 00:20:37.640 --> 00:20:41.240 coming home to this space. But you're right, Rob's saying he did it 280 00:20:41.240 --> 00:20:44.799 for protection doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I would have never changed 281 00:20:44.839 --> 00:20:48.400 the locks, because again, Patrese needed access to that home just as much 282 00:20:48.400 --> 00:20:52.960 as Pistol did. Because as of now we assume she's just not here. 283 00:20:52.160 --> 00:20:56.200 Could she have left voluntarily, sure, Could she have been kidnapped, sure? 284 00:20:56.400 --> 00:21:00.240 But what if she gets away and she gets to come home now she's 285 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:03.599 also walked out of the house. That part makes no sense. And poor 286 00:21:03.720 --> 00:21:07.359 Pistol doesn't have any underwear or a toothbrush. It's just those like basic items 287 00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:12.480 that make you feel like a human in those moments that you can find some 288 00:21:12.680 --> 00:21:17.400 comfort in. Maybe it's putting on your pajamas, maybe it's crawling into bed, 289 00:21:17.480 --> 00:21:22.559 brushing your teeth, doing these routine activities. And Rob is taking this 290 00:21:22.720 --> 00:21:26.079 away from him and just turning him away. It just is boggling my mind 291 00:21:26.440 --> 00:21:30.799 that he thought this was an appropriate action to take, Like it just seems 292 00:21:30.839 --> 00:21:34.319 so callous. Yeah, and it's not like this is three years later either. 293 00:21:34.400 --> 00:21:38.200 You know this, it's too soon to be talking about Pistol. You 294 00:21:38.240 --> 00:21:41.000 need to go with someone who is your blood relative, do you know what 295 00:21:41.039 --> 00:21:45.240 I mean? Like Mom's clearly not coming home, that was not where they 296 00:21:45.240 --> 00:21:48.400 were, and that's not how he handled it. Yeah, Like I could 297 00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:51.519 see this argument if it was like a few months down the road and she 298 00:21:51.640 --> 00:21:55.559 hadn't come home and the two of them were butting heads, then there's a 299 00:21:55.640 --> 00:21:57.680 question of are they going to find her? Will she be coming home. 300 00:21:59.000 --> 00:22:02.759 Maybe there is a better situation for Pistol, but you don't turn him away 301 00:22:02.880 --> 00:22:07.240 and not allow him any access to his belongings in the wake of his mother's 302 00:22:07.240 --> 00:22:12.160 disappearance. It's just it's so hurtful to do that to her son. Pistol 303 00:22:12.240 --> 00:22:18.359 and many of Patrice's other friends and family members had their suspicions about Rob and 304 00:22:18.440 --> 00:22:22.240 believed he was jealous, controlling, and possessive of Patrise. According to Pistol, 305 00:22:22.359 --> 00:22:26.960 the couple were frequently fighting, and a few weeks before she went missing, 306 00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:30.839 his mother told him that she was thinking about divorce. However, Rob 307 00:22:30.920 --> 00:22:36.319 maintained that Patrise never spoke about divorce with him and things were fine with their 308 00:22:36.359 --> 00:22:41.240 relationship. Interestingly enough, before leaving her house on the morning of her disappearance, 309 00:22:41.720 --> 00:22:47.279 Patrice left a note on Rob's car which read quote the best is yet 310 00:22:47.319 --> 00:22:52.440 to come, though it's never been made clear what this message meant. Rob 311 00:22:52.559 --> 00:22:56.480 was interviewed and thoroughly investigated by the authorities and he seemed to have an alibi. 312 00:22:56.640 --> 00:23:00.759 During the period Patrese went missing. Rob claimed that he spent most of 313 00:23:00.799 --> 00:23:04.759 the morning at home before he drove to the town of Woodstock, which is 314 00:23:04.759 --> 00:23:10.200 about a forty five minute drive in Patresea's salon, and even produced a time 315 00:23:10.279 --> 00:23:14.599 stamped receipt which showed that he got gas there. Rob then headed to his 316 00:23:14.680 --> 00:23:19.880 workplace in Converse, and a turnstile logged in the time that he arrived there. 317 00:23:21.519 --> 00:23:26.599 According to investigators, while the timeline of Rob's whereaboats did not completely eliminate 318 00:23:26.680 --> 00:23:30.039 him as a suspect, it made it less likely that he could have been 319 00:23:30.079 --> 00:23:34.839 personally responsible for Patrice's disappearance. I would hate to be the person that're like, 320 00:23:34.920 --> 00:23:40.880 hey, your alibi doesn't really exclude you as a suspect, but you 321 00:23:40.920 --> 00:23:45.160 know, makes it a little less possible. That doesn't seem very encouraging whatsoever. 322 00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:49.680 Rob has this idea that he's driven to these other places. The time 323 00:23:49.759 --> 00:23:55.240 stamp helps a little bit, but it also could be if we truly lean 324 00:23:55.319 --> 00:23:59.000 the direction that Rob is guilty, it could be his way of trying to 325 00:23:59.000 --> 00:24:03.240 create that set alibi that ends up not being air tight. If you flash 326 00:24:03.279 --> 00:24:07.440 back a little bit to where Pistol is talking about Rob and Patrese fighting a 327 00:24:07.519 --> 00:24:11.640 lot. Remember, they're disagreeing about the way she's raising her own son. 328 00:24:11.920 --> 00:24:15.359 I'll tell you there's nothing that upsets a mama bear or a Papa bear more 329 00:24:15.680 --> 00:24:19.400 than when you come at my kiddo or the way I'm parenting. Right. 330 00:24:19.400 --> 00:24:22.599 We know that it doesn't have to be your spouse, but people don't handle 331 00:24:22.680 --> 00:24:26.880 that well. We know they're also working a business together. That's very stressful 332 00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:30.440 and difficult when you are trying to start your own business. You know, 333 00:24:30.440 --> 00:24:36.799 they purchase this new salon. All of that is heavily stressful. But then 334 00:24:37.039 --> 00:24:41.920 if they are in a relationship where they want a future together, that note 335 00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:44.799 something like the best is yet to come. Something like that can happen right 336 00:24:44.839 --> 00:24:48.599 after an argument, right when you get with your spouse and you say, 337 00:24:48.279 --> 00:24:52.000 I'm sorry, I exploded, I took it too wrong, I was overly 338 00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:56.039 sensitive, right, and then the next morning you go time to start again. 339 00:24:56.200 --> 00:25:00.640 Right, That's just how marriages work. Now, I don't like the 340 00:25:00.680 --> 00:25:04.839 idea that he says they're constantly fighting. Fights happen, frustrations happen, blow 341 00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:08.839 ups happen. We're human and two families trying to merge their lives. But 342 00:25:10.440 --> 00:25:12.880 I don't find the note crazy. If she wanted a relationship with him, 343 00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:17.799 no matter how a baud it was. You'll see men and women fight in 344 00:25:17.839 --> 00:25:21.599 even unhealthy relationships to say let's try again, let's do it again. The 345 00:25:21.640 --> 00:25:25.440 best is yet to come. So I don't think that can give us a 346 00:25:25.599 --> 00:25:29.519 pro oricon. I think the marriage could have been rocky and she's writing that 347 00:25:29.559 --> 00:25:33.319 to try to encourage it to get healthier, and I think it could be 348 00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:37.480 fine in a normal marriage where people fuss and she writes the best is yet 349 00:25:37.519 --> 00:25:41.480 to come. Yeah, I really wish that we had more information about what 350 00:25:41.519 --> 00:25:44.920 that could have meant, because, like you said, it could be interpreted 351 00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:48.400 either way. It could be her saying that our relationship is going to get 352 00:25:48.440 --> 00:25:51.119 better the best is yet to come, or it's her way of saying, 353 00:25:51.440 --> 00:25:53.400 I'm going to divorce you soon, so the best is yet to come for 354 00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:56.960 me because I'm going to be free of you. And if Rob interpreted that 355 00:25:57.000 --> 00:26:00.559 way, then maybe he decided to visit Petri sit the salon and that's when 356 00:26:00.559 --> 00:26:04.079 he lost his temper and killed her or something. But we just don't know. 357 00:26:04.160 --> 00:26:07.559 It could be nothing more than a coincidence that she left that note right 358 00:26:07.599 --> 00:26:11.680 before she just happened to go missing. And keep in mind, she could 359 00:26:11.720 --> 00:26:15.880 think the relationship's fine and he doesn't, so she could write that note and 360 00:26:17.039 --> 00:26:22.119 truly think everything's okay. And maybe she didn't provoke him. If he's the 361 00:26:22.160 --> 00:26:25.559 one who did it, maybe he had ulterior motives that wasn't just anger and 362 00:26:25.599 --> 00:26:30.319 resentment in that moment, but maybe he interpreted it like maybe she meant it 363 00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:33.240 like you said ash in a way like literally, the best is yet to 364 00:26:33.240 --> 00:26:36.880 come, like things are going to get better, and he interpreted it like 365 00:26:37.079 --> 00:26:40.160 a taunt, like the best is yet to come and I'm going to leave 366 00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:44.880 you type of a thing. Well, the investigation would lead in another direction 367 00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:48.359 in March of two thousand and five, when a suspect named Jeremy Jones confessed 368 00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:52.599 to Patrese's murder. At the time, Jones was in custody for two other 369 00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:56.519 murders, as he had originally been arrested for the brutal rape and murder of 370 00:26:56.559 --> 00:27:00.680 forty five year old Lisa Nichols, which took place in Turnerville, Alabama, 371 00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:06.359 on September eighteenth, two thousand and four. Jones had shot the victim before 372 00:27:06.400 --> 00:27:10.160 sitting her on fire in her bathroom, and it wasn't long before Jones was 373 00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:14.160 also charged with the murder of sixteen year old Amanda Greenwell, who had been 374 00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:17.960 Jones's neighbor at a mobile home park near the town of Douglasville, Georgia. 375 00:27:18.759 --> 00:27:22.359 Amanda originally went missing in March of two thousand and four before her decomposed body 376 00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:26.920 was found in a wooded area the following month, and it turned out she 377 00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:32.200 was stabbed and strangled to death. Douglasville was located over sixty miles from Patrese's 378 00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:37.039 salon, and Jones would tell investigators that he was responsible for her abduction and 379 00:27:37.160 --> 00:27:41.480 murder. Jones claimed that he had gotten lost while driving that morning because he 380 00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:45.519 was high on meth amphetamine and he just happened to come across Tambur's trim and 381 00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:49.039 tan When he noticed that Patrese was alone there, he went inside and asked 382 00:27:49.039 --> 00:27:52.680 her if she would give his car jump. Patrece agreed to do so and 383 00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:57.200 moved her SUV out of her usual parking spot, but Jones responded by pulling 384 00:27:57.200 --> 00:28:03.039 out a knife and forcing Patrese into his car. After driving over sixty miles 385 00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:07.960 into Douglas County. Jones proceeded to rape and murder Patrese before taking her body 386 00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:12.759 to the Riverside Parkway Bridge above Sweetwater Creek and dumping her into the water at 387 00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:18.960 the outset. Investigators found Jones's confession to be credible because he drew an accurate 388 00:28:18.039 --> 00:28:23.480 diagram of the salon and the position in which Patrese's suv was parked. However, 389 00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:27.319 an extensive search of Sweetwater Creek failed to turn up any trace of Patrese. 390 00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:33.559 After being convicted of Lisa Nichols's murder at trial, Jones was officially sent 391 00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:37.359 to death on November twenty ninth, two thousand and five, but just over 392 00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:41.119 one week later, there would be a major development in Patrise's case. Well, 393 00:28:41.160 --> 00:28:45.960 this confession is terrifying because you have the murder of a forty five year 394 00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:51.400 old woman as well, and then you have this idea that he comes up 395 00:28:51.440 --> 00:28:53.720 with the with the whole story. I was high, I got lost, 396 00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:59.000 I pulled over at Tamber's trim in hand. Do you think that, if 397 00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:02.480 this is not a truthful confession, that he just learned all this in a 398 00:29:02.519 --> 00:29:06.240 newspaper like it seems like he actually knew a lot about the car being part 399 00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:08.599 in a certain direction, the name of the salon, that she was there 400 00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:12.920 alone. How would he know of that? Well, I looked through the 401 00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:17.880 newspaper archives when I was researching my original episode, and they do share a 402 00:29:17.960 --> 00:29:22.000 lot of these details, like about the way that Patrese's SUV was parked in 403 00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:26.880 a certain spot. So theoretically he could have read newspaper articles and formulated a 404 00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:32.559 fake confession. Because, as we're going to talk about momentarily, the spot 405 00:29:32.559 --> 00:29:36.880 where Patrese's remains would be found were not in a creek above a bridge, 406 00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:40.079 so we can tell that he was at least lying about that part. So 407 00:29:40.519 --> 00:29:44.240 that's why a lot of people would question whether the details he provided about the 408 00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:48.720 salon, which were accurate, were only details that he got from reading media 409 00:29:48.759 --> 00:29:55.119 accounts. On December sixth, some workers doing construction at the Lebanon Baptist Church 410 00:29:55.359 --> 00:30:00.640 in Dawson County, Georgia went into a wooded area behind the church and discovered 411 00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:04.119 a human skull. When police were notified, they performed a more extensive search 412 00:30:04.160 --> 00:30:10.200 of the woods and soon came across more skeletal remains. It wasn't long before 413 00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:15.480 dental records positively identified the skull as belonging to Patrice Andres. The location was 414 00:30:15.519 --> 00:30:21.400 approximately six miles away from Patercea's salon, and she was officially missing for six 415 00:30:21.519 --> 00:30:25.599 hundred days before the discovery, but her official cause of death has never been 416 00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:29.480 made public. When she vanished, Patrice had been wearing her wedding ring, 417 00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:33.480 which consisted of two bands soldered together with a Marquis diamond in the center and 418 00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:38.440 had the inscription Patrese and Rob Forever. However, this ring was not found 419 00:30:38.599 --> 00:30:42.640 with her remains and is still never turned up. Well, it wasn't long 420 00:30:42.680 --> 00:30:48.200 before Jeremy Jones completely recounted its confession about murdering Patrise, claiming that he made 421 00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:52.079 up the whole story in order to get better food and extra privileges in jail. 422 00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:56.240 That doesn't sound abnormal. We know that a lot of people who are 423 00:30:56.279 --> 00:31:00.920 already in trouble want to be more infamous, They want to get more privileges, 424 00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:03.839 they want to get a bigger reputation, So making that false claim that 425 00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:10.599 he murdered Patrice doesn't surprise me. It's kind of crazy if the details weren't 426 00:31:10.599 --> 00:31:15.039 in the newspaper. But Robin confirmed that they were. So now I'm going, 427 00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:18.880 okay, not surprising that you have someone falsely confessed to get perks in 428 00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:22.559 prison. He even says he did. But what is interesting is this idea 429 00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:27.400 that her skeletal remains are found and the cause of death has not been shared. 430 00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:32.519 If we didn't know that it was let's say, a self inflicted gunshot, 431 00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:36.200 when where the skull was damaged in a way that's consistent with a suicide, 432 00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:41.160 or we didn't know that there's several stab markings through the rib cages and 433 00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:44.480 you have, you know, nicks and things like that on her bones. 434 00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:49.000 If it's just a skeletal remain set, why wouldn't they share you know that 435 00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:52.160 there's no cause of death, they able to be determined things like that. 436 00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:55.440 It's almost as if there had to be some kind of injury that did allude 437 00:31:55.519 --> 00:31:59.319 to a particular cause of death that they're not sharing. Yeah, I have 438 00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:01.400 a feeling that they couldn't determine her cause of death. They just would have 439 00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:05.359 said so. But I have a feeling that they're just not releasing it just 440 00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:08.200 to avoid false confessions. Because, as you've seen with Jeremy Jones, he 441 00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:14.319 specifically said that he stabbed and strangled Patrice. But now we know that his 442 00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:16.839 confession was likely false. So this is a way if anyone else confesses, 443 00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:21.960 to see if they can provide the accurate cause of death, and if they 444 00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:25.640 don't, then that means that they're lying. Years later, investigators would turn 445 00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:30.799 their attention towards another convicted murderer named Gary Michael Hilton, who was originally arrested 446 00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:35.440 in January of two thousand and eight for the murder of twenty four year old 447 00:32:35.480 --> 00:32:39.359 Meredith Emerson on New Year's Day. Meredith went missing after she left her home 448 00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:43.640 in Beauford, Georgia, to go hiking on a trail on Blood Mountain. 449 00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:47.240 At some point, she crossed paths with Hilton, who proceeded to abduct Meredith 450 00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:52.359 and hold her captive for three days before bludgeting her to death with a carjack 451 00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:57.440 candle and decapitating her. After Hilton was arrested, he made an arrangement with 452 00:32:57.480 --> 00:33:00.920 the authorities to plead guilty to Merediths murder and lead them to her remains in 453 00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:06.240 exchange for taking the death penalty off the table. It turned out that meredith 454 00:33:06.279 --> 00:33:10.279 remains were in the Dawson Forest Wildlife Management Area around ten to fifteen miles away 455 00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:15.359 from the location where Patrese's remains were found, so Hilton was looked at as 456 00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:19.920 a potential suspect in a case. Records showed that Hilton had been stopped for 457 00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:24.119 a traffic violation in Forsyth County during the approximate time period when Patrese was abducted, 458 00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:28.440 and he did not seem to have an alibi on that particular date. 459 00:33:29.279 --> 00:33:32.160 Hilton also liked conning people out of money, both in person and over the 460 00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:36.920 phone, and during one interview with police, he said that his favorite type 461 00:33:36.920 --> 00:33:39.920 of location to do this was at hair salon's well. Hilton has since been 462 00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:45.079 linked to three additional murders, officially making him a full fledged serial killer. 463 00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:51.759 Investigators have never found any evidence linking him to Patrese's death. Very bizarre though, 464 00:33:51.799 --> 00:33:57.119 that he targets people at hair salons, right, That's incredibly unique that 465 00:33:57.160 --> 00:34:00.400 we see, you know, a killer who will go or sex workers or 466 00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:06.960 somebody who will target runaway girls. But to say, oh, I actually 467 00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:12.119 hunt at hair salons for people who are alone that I can hurt seems really 468 00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:15.719 really specific. And I guess the one thing that kind of goes against him 469 00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:21.119 is that Hilton liked to steal like bank cards and money from people. And 470 00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:24.119 I know that Patrese they left some money in a secret compartment in her purse, 471 00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:28.840 and well, it's possible that Hilton could have missed that and gone away. 472 00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:31.760 It just seems unusual that he would kill someone and not steal everything they 473 00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:37.800 have, because that was usually his mo. Following the discovery of her remains, 474 00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:42.760 Patrese would be cremated and her ashes given to Rob. Pateres's story was 475 00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:46.320 featured on an episode of Unsolved Mysteries reboot, which launched on Netflix on July 476 00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:52.320 first, twenty twenty, and featured a particularly creepy interview with Rob, which 477 00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:57.920 we'll be discussing momentarily. Pistol was also interviewed on the episode and claimed that 478 00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:02.039 after all these years, never allowed him access to Patrisea's ashes or any of 479 00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:07.840 his mother's personal possessions or photographs. However, shortly before we recorded this episode, 480 00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:13.920 the Unsolved Mysteries social media pages announced that Rob Andras had passed away on 481 00:35:13.960 --> 00:35:17.199 October eight, twenty twenty three, twenty twenty three, at the age of 482 00:35:17.239 --> 00:35:22.159 seventy seven. As a result, Patresea's ashes were finally returned to her family. 483 00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:28.199 This gesture did offer Patreesa's loved ones some comfort, but there is still 484 00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:32.239 no conclusive answers about who actually killed her, and her murder continues to remain 485 00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:37.800 unsolved. So I guess she could say the path went chili. Okay, 486 00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:42.719 there's no way that I can defend more OB's actions anymore. The first part, 487 00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:45.079 I know, I was really trying to think of how do you look 488 00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:47.239 at blended families, and how do you look at trauma and grief and fear 489 00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:52.800 and all of that. But even after the year's pass, Rob denies poor 490 00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:58.920 Pistol access to even his mother's body, even access to what they do have 491 00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:02.239 back of her. We know she's deceased, You now know that her son's 492 00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:07.199 grieving the death of his mother, and you say, nope, you can't 493 00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:12.239 even have access to a photograph of her. You can't have access to personal 494 00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:15.039 possessions, and you can't have any access to her ashes. If it was 495 00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:17.880 just a no to the ashes, you could say, maybe that's for religious 496 00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:22.119 purposes of not dividing her body. But there's no reason you would not make 497 00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:27.400 copies, you would not work to create a slide show or something for a 498 00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:30.039 baby whose mother is dead. I don't care if the baby's fifty five years 499 00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:34.960 old. I want a picture of my mother. That's my mom, I'm 500 00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:37.599 her baby, and things like that, Like you didn't need all of her 501 00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:44.760 possessions, You didn't need to keep all the photographs exclusively for yourself. That's 502 00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:49.280 pretty callous. Yeah, it definitely seems pretty spiteful. And even if rob 503 00:36:49.360 --> 00:36:52.760 did not actually kill Patrice, these actions make him look really bad. It 504 00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:57.920 seems vindictive. It seems like you're actually trying to inflict harm on the family 505 00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:02.320 because his actions don't really lead us to believe that he needs to have all 506 00:37:02.360 --> 00:37:06.320 of these things because he loves her. I mean, if he really and 507 00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:09.840 truly loved her in a selfless way, he wouldn't have locked out her son, 508 00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:15.000 like within twenty four hours of Patre's going missing and not allowed him access 509 00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:20.559 to anything. And then in when it's confirmed that Patrice is dead, not 510 00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:24.320 allowing him access to her body that is a huge thing. And then just 511 00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:30.960 to hoard her belongings photographs in her ashes. It's it honestly feels like psychopathic, 512 00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:36.800 like he's actually trying to hurt these people, and he's somehow taking some 513 00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:40.599 kind of joy in it. It's one of those things. It's like Rob 514 00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:46.079 seems to Let's say he really did love Patrese. Pistol was a part of 515 00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:51.519 resentment for him, right that, like Patrese's time was often probably spent with 516 00:37:51.679 --> 00:37:54.280 pistol, or for pistol, or taking care of pistol. And this is 517 00:37:54.360 --> 00:38:00.960 her lover and husband who says I should be your first priority. It's possible 518 00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:05.239 that that's the immature mentality he had where he wasn't really ready to take on 519 00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:07.960 a mom and a son and he wanted to be her partner, but didn't 520 00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:12.559 want to be a father and a husband at the same time. And that 521 00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:16.239 didn't go away when Patrice went and disappeared, and it was later discovered, 522 00:38:16.280 --> 00:38:20.960 right, Pistol was always that reminder of what blocked him from getting what he 523 00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:23.320 really wanted. Well, brace yourself, ashed, because I'm going to share 524 00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:27.599 more information to make you hate Rob even more. Okay, bringing on, 525 00:38:27.639 --> 00:38:31.239 I'm not liking him already, so let's do this so anyway, as I'm 526 00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:35.519 sure you're all aware, one of the most popular tropes in the true crime 527 00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:39.519 genre is the husband did it and well during his appearance and Unsolved Mysteries. 528 00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:44.440 A number of people believe that Rob Andrews was such a poster child for this 529 00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:47.719 trope that it almost crossed the line into self parody. I've already shared a 530 00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:52.440 number of details which do not paint Rob in a flattering light, but some 531 00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:55.639 of the things he said during his Unsolved Mysteries interview were quite jaw dropping. 532 00:38:57.079 --> 00:39:00.760 In case you've never seen the episode, Rob emotionally recalled how after Patresea's remains 533 00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:05.400 were delivered to the funeral home, he asked the staff to reassemble her and 534 00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:07.880 lay the bones out for him. Rob Ben said that he proceeded to pick 535 00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:13.159 up Patresea's skull and carry it around for a while before he kissed her goodbye. 536 00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:16.519 If that wasn't enough, after Rob admitted right on camera that when he 537 00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:22.559 received Patresea's ashes, he slept and snuggled with them because she was quote unquote 538 00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:27.280 like my teddy bear. The episode then shows them going into his closet and 539 00:39:27.320 --> 00:39:30.719 pulling out a cardboard box containing the ashes and displaying them to the camera crew. 540 00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:35.400 Yeah, thank god, Patresa's ashes are out of this guy's hands and 541 00:39:35.400 --> 00:39:38.920 were recently returned to her family. I love how important she is to him 542 00:39:38.960 --> 00:39:43.119 that he needs to carry her skull around and kiss it like a Hamlet play, 543 00:39:43.159 --> 00:39:45.800 you know, and he also needs to sleep with them. But then 544 00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:52.480 they're just relished to a cardboard box up in the closet or wherever he was 545 00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:57.119 keeping them. If he really loved her one to honor her that much and 546 00:39:57.119 --> 00:40:00.480 missed her that much, wouldn't you have her somewhere in the house or when 547 00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:05.679 you have done a ceremony to dispose of her ashes? Like too much information? 548 00:40:05.800 --> 00:40:08.360 But I still have buddies earned and it's displayed on our bookshelf because it's 549 00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:13.159 important to Reagan and I until she's old enough to fully understand what it's like 550 00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:16.159 to spread his ashes with me. So even though I'm remarried, even though 551 00:40:16.199 --> 00:40:21.199 I've moved forward with my life, I'll never move on from being his wife 552 00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:23.280 as well. So we do have his ashes, but he sure is heck 553 00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:28.039 not in a box up in my closet or under the bed or something. 554 00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:31.480 He's in a respectful place for him. So even her being up in the 555 00:40:31.480 --> 00:40:36.719 box kind of contradicts what he's saying here. He knew the film crew was 556 00:40:36.760 --> 00:40:39.840 coming get her out for the day. Maybe I have two of my dogs 557 00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:45.440 in urns their ashes, and they're both displayed so that I can see them, 558 00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:47.400 so that I feel like they're present. And those are dogs. She 559 00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:51.480 is a human. You're going to put her in a box in a closet 560 00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:54.559 when you put her out on a mantle something so you feel like she is 561 00:40:54.599 --> 00:41:00.920 ever present on Like, I don't know, it just seems again his action 562 00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:04.239 seemed callous. It's like it didn't even register to him. Hey, the 563 00:41:04.280 --> 00:41:07.840 film crew's coming and maybe they're going to feel some type of way about me 564 00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:10.559 having her remains in a box. But it just didn't even occur to him, 565 00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:14.039 like, yeah, fake it till you make it, Like put her 566 00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:16.880 make a little display for when the film crew is coming over. You'd think 567 00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:22.280 that that kind of thought would go through your head. Not much self awareness 568 00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:23.679 of this guy, because surely you knew that this is going to be on 569 00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:27.559 Netflix. You were going to be seen by millions of people, and they 570 00:41:27.599 --> 00:41:29.679 are not going to like you for this. They're going to think you were 571 00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:32.239 a creep. And if your film getting her ashes out of a cardboard box 572 00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:36.400 in the closet, they're not going to think you're sincere about how much you 573 00:41:36.440 --> 00:41:42.400 loved her well. After the Unsolved Mysteries episode came out, it wasn't long 574 00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:46.039 before Rob became the subject of a number of memes online and became the true 575 00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:52.039 crime community's favorite whipping post since Carol Baskin from The Tiger King. Well, 576 00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:57.480 the unfortunate side effect is that all this focus on Rob's weirdness seemed to distract 577 00:41:57.519 --> 00:42:00.599 from the actual victim in this case, patrese Yes, and may have clouded 578 00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:06.840 people's judgment. Of course, the original version of Unsolved Mysteries featured interviews with 579 00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:09.920 a number of men who were suspected of being involved in the murder or disappearance 580 00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:15.239 of their spouse, and they often did a less than convincing job of appearing 581 00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:20.000 on camera to proclaim their innocence. Of course, one of the most infamous 582 00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:24.519 examples of this is our favorite true crime whipping post, Jewel Kaylor, who 583 00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:30.239 was suspected of being responsible for the disappearance of his wife, Dottie Kaylor and 584 00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:34.920 openly said during his interview that, even though Dottie was still missing, things 585 00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:37.639 are really pretty good. Robin. Do you want to just say that part? 586 00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:44.719 Things are really pretty good? I love you, Robin. That's the 587 00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:47.679 best but I think even Jewel would have drawn the line at admitting that he 588 00:42:47.800 --> 00:42:52.280 kissed his wife's skull and cuddled up in bed with her ashes. Rob also 589 00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:58.960 displayed questionable behavior outside his Unsolved Mysteries interview, particularly when it came to the 590 00:42:59.039 --> 00:43:02.199 terrible treatment of his steps on pistol. If Rob was put on trial for 591 00:43:02.239 --> 00:43:07.599 the crime of being a massive douchebag, then yes, we would probably have 592 00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:12.639 to find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. But is he actually guilty of 593 00:43:12.679 --> 00:43:15.679 the murder of his wife? Yeah, that's the thing where I need to 594 00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:19.320 hear more evidence about what he was doing that day, what we know, 595 00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:25.719 what injuries were to the skeletal remains. It's so interesting because you want to 596 00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:30.400 assume someone who has no affect, someone who is disrespectful to the family, 597 00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:37.800 someone who is insensitive and rude and traumatizing to a child, that all of 598 00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:42.800 those things would make him someone capable of committing murder. But does it make 599 00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:47.320 him the murderer. Not necessarily so, Robin. Do we have things that 600 00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:52.000 the police have said we think that this actually does allude to him. So 601 00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:55.880 far, all I've heard is we can't rule him out, but we also 602 00:43:57.039 --> 00:44:00.320 can't narrow in on him being the perpetrator. Yeah, I'm going to talk 603 00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:05.480 about that momentarily. But that's the thing is that as far as actual evidence 604 00:44:05.480 --> 00:44:08.519 of Rob being at the scene or doing anything, they haven't really found anything. 605 00:44:08.639 --> 00:44:13.599 And you can think that a lot of his actions are suspicious, but 606 00:44:13.719 --> 00:44:16.880 in terms of actual evidence proving that he did it, there's virtually nothing. 607 00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:22.159 And that's what's so problematic about this case is that his creepy behavior may be 608 00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:25.880 like clouding people's perceptions and automatically making them think he's guilty when there is a 609 00:44:25.960 --> 00:44:30.840 possibility he's not. Well. To make a comparison, we've previously discussed the 610 00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:36.039 disappearance of Dottie Kaylor, and even though we have virtually no doubt that Jewel 611 00:44:36.119 --> 00:44:38.639 Kaylor killed her, it's not because he acted like a jerk during a TV 612 00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:43.880 interview. It's because there were so many holes and discrepancies in the story Jewel 613 00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:46.519 provided to belie that once you look at all the evidence as a whole, 614 00:44:46.639 --> 00:44:51.880 the only logical conclusion you can reach is that he did it. But Rob 615 00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:57.159 Endris appears to have a fairly solid alibi, and multiple eyewitnesses placed Patrese with 616 00:44:57.320 --> 00:45:00.800 other individuals who did not match Rob's to description right before she went missing, 617 00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:06.440 So the solution of this case is definitely not cut and dry. In the 618 00:45:06.519 --> 00:45:09.880 years following Patrese's disappearance, her case received a lot of press in the local 619 00:45:09.920 --> 00:45:15.599 media, particularly the Atlanta Journal Constitution, and it's quite interesting to dig through 620 00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:20.519 the newspaper archives and look at the original coverage, as it does not give 621 00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:24.360 off any impression that Rob was considered to be a potential suspect. I did 622 00:45:24.400 --> 00:45:30.400 find one article which hinted that potential friction between Rob and Pistol, as Patrese's 623 00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:34.480 sister stated that she would always go on vacation or visit family with either her 624 00:45:34.559 --> 00:45:37.760 husband or her son, but never both of them together. But at no 625 00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:42.960 point does anyone flat out point the finger at Rob, as during his newspaper 626 00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:46.800 interviews, he just comes across as your typical grieving husband. Rob also seemed 627 00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:51.400 to be proactive during the search for Patrese, as he offered a reward for 628 00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:55.480 information and was organizing fundraisers to spread the word about her case. He even 629 00:45:55.519 --> 00:46:00.360 went so far as to travel to Alabama to attend Jeremy Jones's trial for the 630 00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:04.760 murder of Lese Nichols and the October twenty seventh, two thousand and five edition 631 00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:08.719 of the Montgomery Advertiser shows a photo of Rob holding up Pateresa's picture on the 632 00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:16.159 front page under the headline husband Hope's conviction will end mystery. So it lends 633 00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:20.960 the question to say, is there just something wrong with him, like does 634 00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:23.760 he have a mental health disorder of his own? Does he have some kind 635 00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:29.840 of intellectual disability, or does he is there something that's off an emotional dysregulation 636 00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:32.760 about him where it just makes him a non likable human, that he makes 637 00:46:32.840 --> 00:46:37.719 poor decisions when it comes to caring about other people around him, and that 638 00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:42.559 he's selfish, that he's not really sound in the way he connects to the 639 00:46:42.599 --> 00:46:46.440 people around him. Because if he did do these other things, like we 640 00:46:46.480 --> 00:46:52.000 do see perpetrators show up for searches, granted we do see people offer rewards, 641 00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:55.239 but there seems to be a lot that people are saying he did play 642 00:46:55.280 --> 00:46:59.800 the part of a grieving husband, and he did go to extreme extents, 643 00:46:59.840 --> 00:47:05.760 including attending another murder trial to beg for answers. It does show a different 644 00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:09.599 side of him that maybe we're not seeing the whole picture when we look at 645 00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:14.280 the way he treats the people around him versus what his actual reaction was to 646 00:47:14.320 --> 00:47:16.320 the death. He also could have murdered her. I'm not he didn't. 647 00:47:16.679 --> 00:47:21.719 I'm just saying it complicates the situation. When you step back as an investigator, 648 00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:24.599 as an onlooker, as a friend, and you're saying, what's happening 649 00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:29.599 in this scenario, it's almost like you get two people that you're watching in 650 00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:32.719 this process. I get what you're saying. If he's somebody that says on 651 00:47:32.760 --> 00:47:38.000 the spectrum and he isn't very good at reading other people's emotions or perceptions, 652 00:47:38.519 --> 00:47:43.000 that could be why he behaved in the way that he did with like just 653 00:47:43.079 --> 00:47:47.559 for example, the ashes and locking pistol out, because he didn't necessarily connect 654 00:47:47.719 --> 00:47:52.760 how others would perceive him because of those decisions. And yeah, I mean, 655 00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:55.480 we're obviously not going to arm to her diagnose him here, given you 656 00:47:55.679 --> 00:48:00.159 what we have, But it is possible that he's suffering from mental health condition 657 00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:07.679 or personality disorder because his behavior does seem very strange. And is it strange 658 00:48:07.960 --> 00:48:13.440 because he independent of this is strange, or is he just behaving in a 659 00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:16.840 way that's really weird In the situation because he's trying to cover his tracks, 660 00:48:17.719 --> 00:48:21.920 right, or is he just behaving weird? Because he's behaving weird, you 661 00:48:21.960 --> 00:48:24.239 know, like you said, Jules, it's possible. It's any of those 662 00:48:24.280 --> 00:48:29.239 things. And I mean you sit back and you go, who's silly enough 663 00:48:29.599 --> 00:48:31.639 to not take her ashes out of the box for the film crew? Like, 664 00:48:31.679 --> 00:48:35.519 who's silly enough to go? I know, I'm one of the suspects 665 00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:37.679 who hasn't been rolled out. They're going to come interview me, and I'm 666 00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:40.440 going to just wait till they get here to go dig through and look for 667 00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:45.440 her ashes. That's something to me that says something's not right. Either he's 668 00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:52.159 a little slow or maybe he does have some condition or diagnosis that makes it 669 00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:58.000 where he just doesn't understand the way his behavior looks. Believe it or not. 670 00:48:58.280 --> 00:49:01.719 One person who is publicly defended is Terry dun Muhr, one of the 671 00:49:01.719 --> 00:49:07.440 original co creators of Unsolved Mysteries. Following the episode's release, Muhrr did a 672 00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:13.880 number of interviews in which she discussed this case and expressed her surprise and disappointment 673 00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:17.480 with the reaction to Rob on social media. According to Mrrr, Rob has 674 00:49:17.480 --> 00:49:22.079 since gotten remarried, and she believes that he was honest with them during his 675 00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:25.519 interview and did legitimately love Patrese. Now, I don't want to make it 676 00:49:25.559 --> 00:49:29.920 sound like I'm defending Rob as a person, because some of his actions, 677 00:49:29.960 --> 00:49:34.039 such as locking Pistol out of the house the day after his mother went missing 678 00:49:34.519 --> 00:49:38.239 and denying him access to her ashes, aren't truly indefensible. You won't find 679 00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:43.400 too many featured on unsolved mysteries who are more sympathetic than Pistol, who is 680 00:49:43.519 --> 00:49:46.599 clearly still devastated about the loss of his mother. I also don't have a 681 00:49:46.639 --> 00:49:52.360 hard time believing the allegations that Rob was a narcissist who was jealous and controlling 682 00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:55.599 of Patrese. If Rob was guilty of murder, you might assume there isn't 683 00:49:55.679 --> 00:50:00.679 much else that can be done to solve this case since he recently passed away. 684 00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:04.679 However, in our next episode, we're going to discuss the possibility that 685 00:50:04.760 --> 00:50:07.400 this crime was a murder for hire, meaning that even if Rob got away 686 00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:12.079 with it, there might still be a killer out there just waiting to be 687 00:50:12.159 --> 00:50:16.679 caught. That is so very true with Rob's timeline. We know that a 688 00:50:16.920 --> 00:50:21.840 quote isn't impossible for him to have committed the crime, but definitely complicates it 689 00:50:21.880 --> 00:50:25.239 because he was at a place getting gassed, it was almost an hour away. 690 00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:30.000 We know that he did clock in at work as well, so it 691 00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:34.519 does complicate the idea of trying to pen the murder directly to Rob at Rob's 692 00:50:34.639 --> 00:50:37.559 hands. But does that mean that he didn't give someone information that she might 693 00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:40.760 be alone during this time, that the money is here, that this is 694 00:50:40.760 --> 00:50:46.880 how you access the cash register drawer. That's not an impossible scenario. So 695 00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:50.400 I think this would be a good time to bring an end to part one. 696 00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:52.960 But join us next week as we present part two of our series about 697 00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:58.119 the murder of Patrese Andrius Robin. Do you want to tell us a little 698 00:50:58.159 --> 00:51:01.079 bit about the Trail Went Cold Patreon? Yes, the Trail Cold Patreon has 699 00:51:01.119 --> 00:51:06.679 been around for three years now, and we offer these standard bonus features like 700 00:51:06.760 --> 00:51:10.480 early ad free episodes, and I also send out stickers and sign thank you 701 00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:15.239 cards to anyone who signs up with us on Patreon if you join our five 702 00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:20.960 dollars tier Tier two. 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So I want to Thank you all 719 00:52:25.400 --> 00:52:29.679 for listening, and any chance you have to share us on social media with 720 00:52:29.800 --> 00:52:32.519 a friend or to rate and review is greatly appreciated. You can email us 721 00:52:32.519 --> 00:52:37.559 at the Pathwentchili at gmail dot com. You can reach us on Twitter at 722 00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:40.440 the Pathwin. So until next time, be sure to bundle up because cold 723 00:52:40.480 --> 00:52:45.599 trails and chili pass call for warm clothing. Music by Paul Rich from the 724 00:52:45.639 --> 00:52:46.280 podcast Cold Callers comedy