WEBVTT 1 00:00:40.079 --> 00:00:44.119 Hello, and welcome to Open My GUFO Radio. I am your host, 2 00:00:44.240 --> 00:00:51.079 Alessandro Rojas, and I am here all by my lonesome once again. Martin 3 00:00:51.240 --> 00:00:56.119 is busy with some paperwork. Unfortunately, of course you all know he's a 4 00:00:56.119 --> 00:01:00.280 busy guy. He's got his own business, and we probably talk about his 5 00:01:00.479 --> 00:01:03.439 business more than you all appreciate. It's just like, I am a big 6 00:01:03.519 --> 00:01:07.959 fan of like antiques and history and stuff, and that's what he does. 7 00:01:08.040 --> 00:01:11.799 He is an antique appraiser, so he does some really cool stuff. He 8 00:01:11.799 --> 00:01:17.760 gets to look at some really cool stuff. And he's off busy right now, 9 00:01:17.879 --> 00:01:21.280 so the show must go on, and I've got a lot of news 10 00:01:21.319 --> 00:01:23.799 to talk about anyway. But for those of you who don't know, welcome 11 00:01:23.840 --> 00:01:30.239 to Open Minds GUFO Radio, where we cover credible UFO news and information from 12 00:01:30.280 --> 00:01:34.799 a journalistic point of view. So we share with you substantiated information. If 13 00:01:34.799 --> 00:01:38.920 we speculate, we call it speculation, whereas the majority of people out in 14 00:01:38.920 --> 00:01:44.319 this field, unfortunately, are speculating and just kind of guessing and about stuff. 15 00:01:44.359 --> 00:01:48.359 But I like to show and share the real, substantiated, real credible 16 00:01:48.439 --> 00:01:53.760 information, or at least what mainstream and people out there in the mainstream are 17 00:01:53.799 --> 00:01:57.280 doing so and there is so much interesting stuff going on right now. In 18 00:01:57.359 --> 00:02:04.799 fact, our guest to day is called UFO Joe Joe Mergia is his name, 19 00:02:05.319 --> 00:02:08.680 and he is out there posting really cool stuff. Just like Danny Silva 20 00:02:08.759 --> 00:02:15.159 from the last show. Joe is looking at stories and related to some of 21 00:02:15.199 --> 00:02:19.280 the credible stuff coming out and sharing some of the things that some of us 22 00:02:19.280 --> 00:02:22.280 are missing, or he's going to events where some of us aren't and he 23 00:02:22.360 --> 00:02:25.280 reports on that. The other thing that he does that is really really helpful 24 00:02:25.560 --> 00:02:30.039 is that he creates transcripts. So for instance, you know, I was 25 00:02:30.080 --> 00:02:35.520 in Alabama with the Scientific Coalition for Ufology and Louie Alizondo was there, who 26 00:02:35.599 --> 00:02:39.560 used to run the Pentagon UFO program, and Joe has already gone and made 27 00:02:39.599 --> 00:02:44.599 a transcript of that whole thing, which is still extremely helpful for people like 28 00:02:44.680 --> 00:02:46.199 me who are writing about it, so we can have, you know, 29 00:02:46.280 --> 00:02:52.400 written down all everything that they've said, which just saves us so much time 30 00:02:52.439 --> 00:02:54.960 when we're doing research. So really great stuff that Joe does. So I 31 00:02:55.000 --> 00:02:59.400 wanted to have him on the show to talk a little bit about what he 32 00:02:59.479 --> 00:03:01.639 is up to, like what he does how he got into this stuff. 33 00:03:01.960 --> 00:03:07.719 Just to introduce you all to Joe and his work, because he's someone that 34 00:03:07.759 --> 00:03:12.680 I think is really important that you all need to follow. He's a freelance 35 00:03:12.759 --> 00:03:16.280 cameraman and director of photography on his own, so he's worked on some cool 36 00:03:16.319 --> 00:03:21.400 TV shows and stuff, and we're actually going to be talking about that during 37 00:03:21.599 --> 00:03:24.719 the interview. So a great show today. I think you all are going 38 00:03:24.759 --> 00:03:29.319 to really really enjoy it. We have some exciting shows coming up. Oh 39 00:03:29.400 --> 00:03:32.719 that reminds me, by the way, So as you all know, like 40 00:03:32.759 --> 00:03:38.199 it's expensive to do this stuff, to do these podcasts and to share all 41 00:03:38.240 --> 00:03:40.879 this information I do and everything, and there's very little that I get in 42 00:03:40.919 --> 00:03:45.039 return. Like there are some ads that run here on blog talk, and 43 00:03:45.159 --> 00:03:49.120 so I do make a cut on those. But I've been looking for routes 44 00:03:49.120 --> 00:03:52.960 because I don't want to have to get some other jobs that take me away 45 00:03:52.960 --> 00:03:54.759 from focusing on all of this stuff. And I don't think you all want 46 00:03:54.759 --> 00:03:59.520 me to either. So here's what I'm asking you all to if you can 47 00:03:59.599 --> 00:04:02.360 all, please, if you can afford it, please become a one dollar 48 00:04:02.560 --> 00:04:08.000 patron on Patreon for me. Please. I'm asking you to do that because 49 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:11.080 that really helps me out. And here's what I pledge to do for you, 50 00:04:11.199 --> 00:04:14.039 because as you all know, if you've been following for a while, 51 00:04:14.599 --> 00:04:18.399 I don't ask people to do something for me without giving something in return. 52 00:04:18.600 --> 00:04:25.959 So if you become a one dollar Patreon, then I will post early as 53 00:04:26.079 --> 00:04:30.480 early as I can who my guess is going to be for the following show, 54 00:04:30.839 --> 00:04:33.839 and then you can also post your questions for that guest. So here's 55 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:39.360 a little sneak peek. You all know that I've got Loue Alzando coming up, 56 00:04:39.360 --> 00:04:44.519 but I've also got Eric Davis coming up. Doctor Eric Davis. Now, 57 00:04:44.560 --> 00:04:47.120 he's a physicist that has worked on all of these programs. So he's 58 00:04:47.120 --> 00:04:54.160 worked with Big Low Aerospace, who got the a Tip Pro project Or contract 59 00:04:54.439 --> 00:04:58.720 to work with a Tip Depentagon on their UFO stuff. They've also worked for 60 00:04:58.879 --> 00:05:03.079 years on other normal things, including the Wild and Crazy Skinwalker ranch. So 61 00:05:03.120 --> 00:05:06.199 we'll be able to ask Eric Davis a lot of stuff about that. If 62 00:05:06.199 --> 00:05:11.639 you go to my Patreon, you'll see there's a hidden or a post there 63 00:05:11.759 --> 00:05:15.399 about my next guest and asking questions, but you're not gonna be able to 64 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:17.639 click on it and submit your questions, and let's you're a patron, So 65 00:05:17.680 --> 00:05:20.639 I apologize to those of you who might be frustrated. Why do they have 66 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:24.160 to charge? But you know what, it's not free for us to do 67 00:05:24.199 --> 00:05:28.959 this stuff with and you know, just like anything, if people can't sustain 68 00:05:29.079 --> 00:05:30.279 doing it, then they leave. And there's a lot of people who have 69 00:05:30.319 --> 00:05:34.920 had to leave the field are just really severely decline how much they can do 70 00:05:35.480 --> 00:05:40.120 because they just don't have the time to do it. So help keep me 71 00:05:40.160 --> 00:05:42.920 doing this and if you appreciate it, I think a buck a month is 72 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:46.800 not very much right, and that's all I'm asking. So if you become 73 00:05:46.839 --> 00:05:51.079 that first level patron on Patreon, links are all over the place, then 74 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:57.360 you'll be privy to this information. I also promise to share with you little 75 00:05:57.399 --> 00:06:01.240 interviews and snippets that I talked to. You know, I'm always out there 76 00:06:01.319 --> 00:06:05.879 interviewing or hanging out with UFO people or paranormal people. So I'll post on 77 00:06:05.920 --> 00:06:12.279 a regular basis just little Q and a's or little audio clips when I meet 78 00:06:12.319 --> 00:06:15.680 these guys some questions that you all may have, so that you're going to 79 00:06:15.720 --> 00:06:19.360 get some inside information nobody else is going to get. So I'll provide you 80 00:06:19.439 --> 00:06:24.560 a lot for that one dollar a month, so please do. That'd be 81 00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:27.839 very much appreciated, and you'll be getting a lot of stuff that I think 82 00:06:27.879 --> 00:06:33.519 that you want. But before let's we get to the interview, let's go 83 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:38.680 ahead and I'll candata to give you all of this freak stuff that I give, 84 00:06:39.120 --> 00:06:44.560 which is including talking about UFOs in the headline, so check out let's 85 00:06:44.600 --> 00:06:46.439 check out UFOs in the news. And there was a lot of news going 86 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:49.800 around. So first of all, I want to talk about some of the 87 00:06:49.839 --> 00:06:54.879 posts that I've posted on Open Minds TV. So there's a couple of things 88 00:06:54.879 --> 00:06:59.240 here that I think are really going to interest you all. So there was 89 00:06:59.319 --> 00:07:02.519 some news and I have kind of an exclusive image and it wasn't exclusive, 90 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:05.040 it wasn't given just to me. I'm just the only one to post it 91 00:07:05.079 --> 00:07:11.639 thus far. But the History Channel provided some information in their press portal about 92 00:07:11.920 --> 00:07:16.639 the History Channel's upcoming show that is covering Louel Azando and the Pentagon UFO project 93 00:07:16.639 --> 00:07:21.759 and also the to the Stars Project, and they're premiering the show on May 94 00:07:21.839 --> 00:07:27.319 thirty first, So you can see that in the links there on Open Minds. 95 00:07:27.399 --> 00:07:30.560 Also, I did a little interview with Louel Azanda, where I asked 96 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:34.439 them about, you know, there are these two terms for this Pentagon project, 97 00:07:34.680 --> 00:07:41.319 the Advanced Aerospace Weapons System Application Program as app or a TIP, the 98 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:46.959 Advanced Aerospace Threat ide Identification Program. What's the difference? Why did the name 99 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:50.759 change? And why is only one of these names or acronyms. Why does 100 00:07:50.800 --> 00:07:55.160 only one of them appear in the New York Times article? So I'm sure 101 00:07:55.199 --> 00:07:57.439 this is a lot of questions that you all have. There are a lot 102 00:07:57.439 --> 00:08:00.519 of people that we're curious about all of this. So I heard all that 103 00:08:00.639 --> 00:08:03.879 up and wrote that in a little article that I have on Patreon now that 104 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:07.759 is viewable for free. I also have a link here on the front page 105 00:08:07.759 --> 00:08:11.240 of Openminds dot tv, so you could check that out. And then I 106 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:15.120 think last week we talked about my other Patreon posts that I have out there 107 00:08:15.240 --> 00:08:18.399 three items that cast out on the study used to close Project blue Book, 108 00:08:18.720 --> 00:08:22.920 and that was really just to show, hey, if there are people out 109 00:08:22.920 --> 00:08:26.560 there that are doubting the Condon report, and the Condon Report was used to 110 00:08:26.600 --> 00:08:31.279 close Project blue Book, there's there's a legit reasons why. There's legit reasons 111 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:37.759 why to doubt the conclusion that Professor Condon came to that there was no use 112 00:08:37.799 --> 00:08:41.679 at studying UFOs, and so I go over that in that article. But 113 00:08:43.039 --> 00:08:45.840 yeah, these are some interesting things that you'll want to check out. And 114 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:50.440 I guess just to answer that question for you also that I asked lou about 115 00:08:50.759 --> 00:08:56.519 from as app to a tip is what I call it why Essentially what he 116 00:08:56.559 --> 00:09:01.240 says is and we've heard this from George Knapp's interview and from others. A 117 00:09:01.480 --> 00:09:05.960 SAP, which a lot of people don't realize, covered the entire paranormal gamut. 118 00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:11.279 So it was investigating a lot of paranormal stuff. This, as we 119 00:09:11.399 --> 00:09:13.879 learned first from George Knapp, and is covered a little bit in the New 120 00:09:13.960 --> 00:09:18.919 York Times, was because of Skinwalker Ranch. A DEA agent had gone to 121 00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:24.559 Skinwalker Ranch he had a paranormal experience. This was after two thousand and five, 122 00:09:24.639 --> 00:09:28.320 so this was after the book came out about Skinwalker Ranch that George Knapp, 123 00:09:28.399 --> 00:09:35.000 the journalist and the lead scientist for Big Low Era Aerospace at the time 124 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:39.120 in the National Institute for Discovery Scientists Colin Kelleher wrote that book with George Napp. 125 00:09:39.279 --> 00:09:43.720 So the book comes out this diagent wants to check it out. According 126 00:09:43.759 --> 00:09:48.159 to George, there wasn't any paranormal stuff that they had witnessed for a long 127 00:09:48.240 --> 00:09:52.200 time at the ranch. But the CIA agent goes out there has I guess 128 00:09:52.240 --> 00:09:56.440 this extreme like crazy experience. He goes back to Washington, d C. 129 00:09:56.600 --> 00:10:01.840 Says, Harry talks to big Low Bigelow and and he, according to Reid 130 00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:05.399 and the New York Times, approach Harry Reid and say, hey, we 131 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:07.080 have to look into this. Harry Reid says, I agree, and then 132 00:10:07.159 --> 00:10:11.840 he goes and gets funding for the project. We know that from the New 133 00:10:11.919 --> 00:10:13.600 York Times. But the New York Times said the funding was for a tip. 134 00:10:16.039 --> 00:10:20.759 But we found out the first name for the group was as ASAP essentially, 135 00:10:20.080 --> 00:10:24.200 so why didn't the New York Times mention that. Well, it turns 136 00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:28.279 out Lou was one of their interviewers. But from what he gathers, the 137 00:10:28.279 --> 00:10:33.679 New York Times didn't know that ASAP a SAP existed first, and it wasn't 138 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:39.039 Lou's program. Lou didn't join until later on, and he joined a tip, 139 00:10:39.679 --> 00:10:45.039 and so he didn't feel at liberty to disclose ASAPP just a tip, 140 00:10:45.120 --> 00:10:48.679 So he told them about a tip so they ran with that. Later on, 141 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:52.840 George Napp and others were able to release information about ASAP and there's more 142 00:10:52.960 --> 00:10:54.879 out there about it, and I've got links to all of that in this 143 00:10:56.120 --> 00:11:01.399 story. The big difference was that you know all this weirdness that was happening 144 00:11:01.399 --> 00:11:03.360 at Skinwalker Ranch, and you if you've been with me for a while, 145 00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:07.960 I've interviewed a lot of people about it, and of course Jeremy Corbel did 146 00:11:07.000 --> 00:11:11.480 that film documentary on it recently. A lot of weirdness happened there, and 147 00:11:11.799 --> 00:11:15.879 like George Knaptolis, there were a lot of people in the government who, 148 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:20.559 for religious reasons, that this was demonic and that we should investigate it. 149 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:26.279 So a ASAP was getting a lot of heat. In the meantime, in 150 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:31.039 the background, they decided, well, let's start a less controversial subgroup called 151 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:35.480 a TIP, and that's just going to focus on military UFO cases. So 152 00:11:35.519 --> 00:11:41.519 that's the difference ASAP paranormal. A TIP is just UFOs or UAPs or AAVs, 153 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:46.279 these other acronyms for UFOs that they've used. As time went on, 154 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:52.120 OSTEP kept getting hate from these very powerful religious groups that wanted them not to 155 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:56.879 investigate the paranormal into anymore, and eventually, as time went on, OSAP 156 00:11:58.000 --> 00:12:01.320 was kind of destroyed. It was gone, and all that was left was 157 00:12:01.360 --> 00:12:05.519 a tip. Then in twenty ten, Luis Alessandro takes control of a TIP. 158 00:12:05.559 --> 00:12:07.799 He moves it to the office of the Secretary of Defense where he works, 159 00:12:09.200 --> 00:12:16.039 and it continues investigating UFOs supposedly to this day, although they've changed their 160 00:12:16.159 --> 00:12:20.240 name interesting enough and to kind of be hidden for cover. Lou admits this, 161 00:12:20.320 --> 00:12:24.320 so they don't they're not called a tip anymore, but they're investigating UFOs. 162 00:12:24.639 --> 00:12:30.159 So the whole strategy to create a TIP is kind of to save the 163 00:12:30.320 --> 00:12:35.600 UFO topic at least to see if they can pull that out of the program. 164 00:12:35.639 --> 00:12:39.559 And if that was going to be less controversial that they wouldn't you get 165 00:12:39.559 --> 00:12:43.399 all the heat that ASAP got so they can continue doing the UFO work. 166 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:48.879 And it seemed to work because a TIP didn't get canceled or at least attacked 167 00:12:48.919 --> 00:12:54.679 like ASAP did. So that's how this all came about, which I think 168 00:12:54.679 --> 00:12:58.039 if you look at all the timelines, makes sense. So some people still 169 00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:00.799 might have some questions out there, but at least for me, that pretty 170 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:03.960 much clears things up. I might have left some stuff out, some details 171 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:07.279 and things, but it's in my articles there on Patreon, but there's also 172 00:13:07.399 --> 00:13:11.679 links to it at my blog, at the UFO Congress bug and open TV 173 00:13:11.799 --> 00:13:16.480 on the front page. So there you go. So that's that story, 174 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:20.519 a lot of fun. But some other news out there. So there's a 175 00:13:20.720 --> 00:13:26.919 story from the Star Tribune and I believe this is in Florida, this paper, 176 00:13:26.639 --> 00:13:31.480 but it says why scientists are starting to listen to UFO believers. So 177 00:13:31.519 --> 00:13:37.240 this is really cool, and it's essentially because of this Pentagon program coming out. 178 00:13:37.480 --> 00:13:39.720 This thing is talking about how, you know, people didn't really listen 179 00:13:39.759 --> 00:13:45.919 to UFO people. It covers the mutual UFO network. It shows Kathleen Martin, 180 00:13:46.039 --> 00:13:50.000 whose aunt was Betty Hill of Betty and Barney Hill, the first publicly, 181 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:56.159 you know, publicized abduction story, and it essentially goes into at the 182 00:13:56.159 --> 00:14:00.679 Pentagon program and move on and how there are more serious people paying attention to 183 00:14:00.879 --> 00:14:03.360 the UFO topic. So it's a really good story. I really like it. 184 00:14:03.960 --> 00:14:09.639 Let's see what else. We've got a story in the Detroit Free Press 185 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:16.559 and this is in Bob Blazar area. Fifty one documentary directory investigates UFO Whistleblower's 186 00:14:16.639 --> 00:14:20.799 story. So we've had Jeremy Corbel, this filmmaker, on our show quite 187 00:14:20.840 --> 00:14:22.279 a bit, and we'll have him on again because he's a buddy. He's 188 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:28.639 a good guy, and like I just mentioned, he did a Skinwalker movie 189 00:14:28.639 --> 00:14:33.000 earlier this year, but he's also done this Bob Blazar Area fifty one documentary. 190 00:14:33.159 --> 00:14:37.440 So it's getting more attention even though it's been out for a while. 191 00:14:37.639 --> 00:14:41.519 Essentially, I think that one of the reasons it's getting a lot more attention 192 00:14:41.720 --> 00:14:45.639 is that they were on Joe Rogan or no, they weren't on Joe Rogan. 193 00:14:45.879 --> 00:14:48.159 I should say they want to be. But Joe Rogan has been talking 194 00:14:48.200 --> 00:14:52.600 about the movie quite a bit, and I guess he saw it and he 195 00:14:52.879 --> 00:14:56.440 liked it, So they might be on Joe Rogan to talk about it, 196 00:14:56.519 --> 00:15:00.519 But they were on Larry King not too long ago with Bob Blazart talking about 197 00:15:00.559 --> 00:15:03.440 all of this. So yeah, so the movie is still getting a lot 198 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:05.679 of attention, which is good. So there's this Q and A and this 199 00:15:05.759 --> 00:15:11.519 long story in the Detroit Free Press that you all can check out if you 200 00:15:11.679 --> 00:15:16.399 like about the film and everything. So it looks like it's going to be 201 00:15:16.399 --> 00:15:20.399 part of a film festival out there as well, So exciting stuff that way. 202 00:15:20.440 --> 00:15:26.720 From our good buddy Jeremy. Here's another one UFO fun shuns Little Green 203 00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:31.720 men to buy satellites and rockets, and this is in Bloomberg. So essentially 204 00:15:31.799 --> 00:15:37.159 the ticket symbol UFO is finally being used, and it is being used by 205 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:43.879 for space related reasons, but unfortunately it was snatched up before it could cover 206 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:48.960 any UFO related business in the business field. In fact, what it's going 207 00:15:48.039 --> 00:15:52.000 to be looking at is satellites and rockets. So there's going to be a 208 00:15:52.120 --> 00:15:58.639 UFO ticker essentially out there for the stock market, and that's going to be 209 00:15:58.679 --> 00:16:03.440 covering different company needs in satellites, rockets and and in you know, like 210 00:16:03.559 --> 00:16:07.000 the commercial space and everything. So it's going to be a good ticker to 211 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:11.960 watch. But that's kind of interesting that they chose UFO for fun of course, 212 00:16:11.559 --> 00:16:18.559 to cover that stuff. Another story here in them Cowertha dot Com which 213 00:16:18.919 --> 00:16:26.120 is from Petersborough and I guess this is in Canada. This is a story 214 00:16:26.120 --> 00:16:33.879 about a Canadian researcher. So this researcher is a PhD student at Trent University 215 00:16:34.799 --> 00:16:41.039 and he noticed that the Canadian government has a lot of files on UFOs out 216 00:16:41.039 --> 00:16:44.720 there, so he decided to do his research on this to look at these 217 00:16:44.759 --> 00:16:48.480 files and to see what they have in them. Now, his interest was 218 00:16:48.519 --> 00:16:52.799 not necessarily in the paranormal itself. His interest is to look at how the 219 00:16:52.840 --> 00:16:57.919 public and the government interface or they're a lack of so what he says, 220 00:16:59.200 --> 00:17:03.720 here's how he just said. It's a socio political study about the conflict between 221 00:17:03.799 --> 00:17:10.759 citizens and the government and an uncertain post war period. Sounds very academic, 222 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:14.759 doesn't it. He says, it almost has nothing to do with UFOs. 223 00:17:14.960 --> 00:17:18.599 It's more about Canadian identity and how they were trying to choose their identity. 224 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:23.000 But he does talk about how there are some interesting cases there. He says 225 00:17:23.480 --> 00:17:27.039 that it would it's pretty much ridiculous. He says, I would find it 226 00:17:27.119 --> 00:17:32.799 absurd if life didn't exist elsewhere. So he's convinced there is life elsewhere. 227 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:36.799 However, looking at these files, he says, there is no proof that 228 00:17:36.839 --> 00:17:41.319 we're being visited from aliens in the files, but that there are some interesting 229 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:45.480 cases. And since this newspaper was in the Petersborough area, they do talk 230 00:17:45.519 --> 00:17:51.119 about a couple of the sightings in that area, but this guy seems great 231 00:17:51.160 --> 00:17:55.039 personally. He looks like a hard thinker. Of course, I'm partial to 232 00:17:55.079 --> 00:17:59.559 the academics that are taking a serious look at this field in many different aspects, 233 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:02.960 so I applaud this guy. In fact, I'm going to hunt him 234 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:06.920 down and try to get him on the podcast at some point. But his 235 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:10.640 name is Matthew Hayes. And of course you'll find this link at the front 236 00:18:11.079 --> 00:18:15.960 on the front page of Openminds dot tv. We also have another article from 237 00:18:17.000 --> 00:18:22.880 mister Louise Elizondo himself. He's been writing some articles on medium, as you 238 00:18:22.960 --> 00:18:26.720 all know. Mostly these are kind of opinion pieces about his perspective and why 239 00:18:26.759 --> 00:18:32.000 we should be kind of more open minded and kind of really essentially more intelligent 240 00:18:32.039 --> 00:18:34.400 when we think about UFOs and stuff like that. And that's the nature of 241 00:18:34.440 --> 00:18:40.400 this story as well, stop thinking about UAPs in black and white. So 242 00:18:40.519 --> 00:18:47.480 essentially, what he's trying to say is that we don't necessarily need to say 243 00:18:47.559 --> 00:18:52.400 they're aliens or not aliens, that we need to be a little more intelligent 244 00:18:52.480 --> 00:18:56.160 about how we're looking at this. We need to follow the data and look 245 00:18:56.200 --> 00:19:00.319 at things and kind of that there's a lot of stuff out there there could 246 00:19:00.359 --> 00:19:03.880 be many different things, more than one solution to every problem. There could 247 00:19:03.960 --> 00:19:08.079 be a lot going on here when it comes to this topic, rather than 248 00:19:08.240 --> 00:19:11.279 just aliens or not aliens, you know, instead of it's just a ARB 249 00:19:11.519 --> 00:19:17.480 kind of thing. So yeah, so we've got to really check this out. 250 00:19:17.559 --> 00:19:22.960 This is a great article by lou on medium. Oh and here is 251 00:19:22.039 --> 00:19:26.559 something else that's really interesting. So you might have been seeing this going around 252 00:19:26.599 --> 00:19:32.079 online, and it is interesting. I mean, I think it's a little 253 00:19:32.079 --> 00:19:37.559 bit jumping to conclusions. But there was a panel in the Congress. They 254 00:19:37.599 --> 00:19:41.160 had a hearing about the Space Force. So, as I've talked about, 255 00:19:41.160 --> 00:19:45.440 we already have a US Air Force Space Command, and they want to create 256 00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:49.880 a new Space Force or Space Command. And so what they've decided to do 257 00:19:51.039 --> 00:19:53.359 is instead of having its own branch to the military for now, having it 258 00:19:53.480 --> 00:19:57.160 under the Air Force, to be headed by the guy who heads US Space 259 00:19:57.200 --> 00:20:03.200 Command. So I'm not sure, I still and unclear on the difference between 260 00:20:03.279 --> 00:20:07.599 our current Space Command and what this new one will be doing. However, 261 00:20:07.880 --> 00:20:12.880 there have been some hearings and one part was very interesting. So Senator bluementhal 262 00:20:14.319 --> 00:20:18.960 he's a pretty important guy, and we see him on the news quite a 263 00:20:18.960 --> 00:20:25.839 bit talking about various things. He's on the CNN quite a bit. But 264 00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:32.839 Senator Blumenthal, he is a politician from Connecticut. He is a Democrat, 265 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:40.119 but he's was on this panel saying that we need to tell the public more 266 00:20:40.160 --> 00:20:44.200 about this what we're doing here. He says, we know what we're talking 267 00:20:44.240 --> 00:20:48.160 about in this group, about the reasons we need this and the threats that 268 00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:52.720 we're facing, and he talks about how big these threats are, but he 269 00:20:52.759 --> 00:20:57.440 says the public doesn't even know, doesn't even have context for this information because 270 00:20:57.440 --> 00:21:03.799 we're not sharing enough with them. He says, our adversaries know that we 271 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:10.160 know what they're doing up there, and they know that they know we know, 272 00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:15.960 but we're not talking about it to the public, even though we're having 273 00:21:15.039 --> 00:21:21.039 these closed doorge conversations about it. We really need to inform the public about 274 00:21:21.079 --> 00:21:26.119 the threats that we're facing. And so people are like, what you know, 275 00:21:26.279 --> 00:21:29.319 is he talking about UFOs? You know, there's this hold. We 276 00:21:29.480 --> 00:21:33.200 know that some of these witnesses to the extraordinary two thousand and four Nimetz case 277 00:21:33.880 --> 00:21:41.799 that the Carrier group had experienced the Nimetz Carrier Group experience, these witnesses, 278 00:21:41.799 --> 00:21:48.559 we know, have talked to some of these congressmen and congress people about what 279 00:21:48.640 --> 00:21:52.920 they saw, and there is some interest in, you know, studying this 280 00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:57.480 phenomenon because of that. Is that what he's talking about. That's a little 281 00:21:57.480 --> 00:22:02.759 assumptive. He does say adversaries, and we do know, of course, 282 00:22:02.759 --> 00:22:06.559 our big adversaries are China and Russia, and we do know China has a 283 00:22:06.599 --> 00:22:11.319 launched a missial and blown up a satellite that's actually caused problems and could have 284 00:22:11.480 --> 00:22:15.640 debris hit the ISS actually as part of the problem. So we don't know 285 00:22:15.680 --> 00:22:18.440 what he's talking about, but there's a lot of ideas out there that he's 286 00:22:18.480 --> 00:22:22.079 talking about aliens or UFOs or something. So I just wanted you to make 287 00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:26.640 you aware of it. But he's very concerned in this clip and it's kind 288 00:22:26.680 --> 00:22:30.519 of scary, so you might want to watch the clip otherwise. Mysterious Universe 289 00:22:30.559 --> 00:22:33.880 it's a great website. It's not necessarily a mainstream website, but it's a 290 00:22:33.880 --> 00:22:38.359 great website with paranormal and UFO stuff and they've got they've always got some really 291 00:22:38.400 --> 00:22:42.319 good stories and they've got great writers there. One of those great writers is 292 00:22:42.440 --> 00:22:45.880 Micah Hanks, the brother to the guy that tests the music for the show. 293 00:22:45.920 --> 00:22:48.799 Actually Micah Hanks, of course we've had on the show. He's got 294 00:22:48.799 --> 00:22:53.920 his own great podcasts, Grealllyan Report. But he's got an article here talking 295 00:22:53.920 --> 00:23:00.039 about Senator John McCain and how John McCain has been into UFOs. So he's 296 00:23:00.039 --> 00:23:03.839 talked to George. He's got a clip from George Knapp where George Napp said, 297 00:23:03.920 --> 00:23:08.599 you know, he had talked to John McCain about UFOs. Harry Reid 298 00:23:08.759 --> 00:23:12.680 had talked about talking to John McCain about UFOs in the past. We know, 299 00:23:12.759 --> 00:23:17.440 and I interviewed, you know, John Burrows, one of the witnesses 300 00:23:17.480 --> 00:23:22.480 to the Rendelstrom case from the UK. He had John McCain's office help get 301 00:23:22.519 --> 00:23:26.440 his military records out because for some reason they were classified. A really interesting 302 00:23:26.519 --> 00:23:30.920 story again you can find that in Open Minds. But yeah, some great 303 00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:37.720 stuff that he has covered in this story about John McCain's interest in UFOs. 304 00:23:37.839 --> 00:23:41.640 Good one in another story on Mysterious Universe this week, it's called Mysterious UFOs 305 00:23:41.720 --> 00:23:47.720 returned to Manitou, Tawak and the Lake Michigan triangle. So there's been a 306 00:23:47.759 --> 00:23:52.440 triangle UFO cited around Lake Michigan and I guess it was also seen again recently, 307 00:23:52.519 --> 00:23:56.720 and there's an online blog that someone told us to and they wrote a 308 00:23:56.759 --> 00:24:00.440 report about it. I don't have time to go into it because we're almost 309 00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:03.000 out of time for this segment. I also want to talk about here's some 310 00:24:03.200 --> 00:24:11.359 UFO Congress news, doctor Michael Masters in time traveling. So doctor Michael Masters 311 00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:18.480 is another professor, and he's interested. He's a teachers anthropology. He's interested 312 00:24:18.519 --> 00:24:21.680 that he thinks, you know, some of these UFOs might be us from 313 00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:26.440 the future. A really interesting idea. So Kevin Randall, most well known 314 00:24:26.480 --> 00:24:30.000 for his Roswell research, a great researcher. He's been on the show a 315 00:24:30.039 --> 00:24:34.279 few times. He interviewed Michael Masters, and I think it's a really great 316 00:24:34.319 --> 00:24:38.799 topic. And this gentleman, Michael Masters, is going to be speaking at 317 00:24:38.799 --> 00:24:42.279 the UFO Congress this year. And here's a little sneak peek for you all. 318 00:24:42.559 --> 00:24:45.799 If you go to the speaker page for the UFO Congress, you're going 319 00:24:45.880 --> 00:24:49.599 to find a few there. So we're getting ready to release our tickets and 320 00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:53.640 release more about speakers. So otherwise, let's see another couple of stories. 321 00:24:53.720 --> 00:25:00.960 Ultimate Guitar has stories about some musicians who believed in conspiracy theory. This you 322 00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:04.799 might find interesting, especially because they do talk about Tom DeLong, but they 323 00:25:04.880 --> 00:25:08.599 talk about a couple other people who believe in like, you know, reptilians 324 00:25:08.640 --> 00:25:11.599 and stuff like that, so that's kind of an interesting story. And then 325 00:25:11.720 --> 00:25:17.720 finally Marty Wild. You guys know Marty Wild, don't. You don't worry 326 00:25:17.799 --> 00:25:19.960 if you don't. I didn't either, So this is like, I guess, 327 00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:25.160 a singer from way back when, but he's also been really into UFOs 328 00:25:25.599 --> 00:25:30.240 and The Mirror, the UK tabloid did a little feature on him because he's 329 00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:34.440 turning eighty and they got into they asked him about his UFO interest, so 330 00:25:34.480 --> 00:25:37.680 you'll have to check that out. So there you go. There's the news. 331 00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:41.720 You can find this all on the front page of openminds dot tv. 332 00:25:42.680 --> 00:25:47.680 But we're out of time for this segment. Coming up right after this break, 333 00:25:47.799 --> 00:26:07.200 we'll be talking to Joe Mercia, so stay tuned. Welcome back to 334 00:26:07.279 --> 00:26:11.960 Open Mind GUFO Radio. I'm your host, Alejandro Rojas, and I am 335 00:26:12.079 --> 00:26:17.640 excited to have on the show for the first time. Joe Mergia, Did 336 00:26:17.680 --> 00:26:21.720 I say that right? You said it? Perfectly awesome. I like to 337 00:26:21.759 --> 00:26:25.160 get it right. Of course, very few can say my name perfectly, 338 00:26:25.240 --> 00:26:29.000 but that's fine. I don't mind too much. Same here. It's very 339 00:26:29.079 --> 00:26:33.079 rare for anybody to get my name right just looking at it. And just 340 00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:37.079 for full disclosure, I had heads up. I did ask about the pronunciation 341 00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:41.759 first, so I didn't just amazingly get it right off the bat. So 342 00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:45.799 I wanted to bring you on the show because you're doing great stuff. You've 343 00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:51.359 got this website UFO Joe at Twitter account and you're transcribing a lot of the 344 00:26:51.480 --> 00:26:56.880 interviews out there that TTSA and a tip people are doing and it's a great 345 00:26:56.920 --> 00:27:00.400 service. But you're also kind of paying it to other stories out there, 346 00:27:00.440 --> 00:27:03.680 and just like Danny Silver, who we had last neat Week, you were 347 00:27:03.759 --> 00:27:07.559 catching on up on items that I think many others are missing because there's just 348 00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:11.720 so much information, there's so much going on. First of all, thanks 349 00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:15.240 for having me on the show. I'm happy to be here. And I 350 00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:18.200 mean there's so much going on that I can't keep up. So I'm so 351 00:27:18.279 --> 00:27:22.039 glad that people out there, like Danny and so many others doing the work. 352 00:27:22.759 --> 00:27:27.559 And it's just it's like a bombardment after like the last couple of days, 353 00:27:27.599 --> 00:27:30.920 I've taken a break because I can't keep up. Yeah, it's just 354 00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:34.039 it gets a little frustrating. It's great, but you can't keep up, 355 00:27:34.039 --> 00:27:40.480 and people want to know, especially because you've got a kind of people know 356 00:27:40.599 --> 00:27:44.599 what you do. And so when something happens, I even see up there, 357 00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:47.039 we've got to wait for Joe. We're waiting for Joe's transfer. Joe, 358 00:27:47.079 --> 00:27:51.119 what is the transcript? And so people are kind of excited for you 359 00:27:51.160 --> 00:27:52.839 to get that out there. Yeah, the pressure is on, But I 360 00:27:52.839 --> 00:27:56.039 mean, I love I love transcribing because it's a really great way for me 361 00:27:56.079 --> 00:28:00.640 to learn more details. And I don't have the best man, so me 362 00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:04.000 going over something multiple times is really good for me. Right, And some 363 00:28:04.039 --> 00:28:07.920 of the people I transcribed to, like Elizondo and Nap, it's just a 364 00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:11.119 pleasure just to listen to them. Those those are two of my favorite people. 365 00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:15.440 So listening to them talking, getting new getting new details, it's just 366 00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:18.960 it's fun. It's fun for me. Yeah, I want to talk to 367 00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:21.559 you about that so much, but I want to I want to first get 368 00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:23.519 into you, So we'll get into some of that because I agree with you 369 00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:27.279 one hundred percent. But you know, I want to introduce you to my 370 00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:33.200 audience as well. So I'm curious kind of your background. So when did 371 00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:38.000 you first get interested in this topic? So my first memory is the early 372 00:28:38.200 --> 00:28:42.960 seventies. I went to the theater and saw a big foot movie called a 373 00:28:44.039 --> 00:28:47.839 Legend of Bogie Creek, and it was a It was a docu drama, 374 00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:51.200 so basically it was like it they portrayed it as a documentary, but it 375 00:28:51.240 --> 00:28:53.599 was with actors. But then the first movie, it was a double feature 376 00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:57.640 in the first movie was a UFO documentary. Now I don't remember exactly the 377 00:28:57.680 --> 00:29:00.720 details. I just remember I was intrigued. I had never seen anything like 378 00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:07.119 that. I was young, so really really enjoyed that. But next I 379 00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:10.079 in search of do you remember the show? In search of, oh, 380 00:29:10.160 --> 00:29:12.519 yeah, I love that show. I loved that show and I watched it. 381 00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:17.920 And then nineteen seventy seven came and I went to the theater to see 382 00:29:17.920 --> 00:29:21.960 Close Encounters of the Third Kind and that was it. I mean, I 383 00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:26.079 loved that movie so much. And the thing was, though I didn't pursue 384 00:29:26.119 --> 00:29:26.960 it at all. I mean I was still I was young, but I 385 00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:30.319 didn't know people studied this. So I saw the movie and that was it. 386 00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:34.200 And then over the years, you know, I read some occult books, 387 00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:37.480 stuff on out of body experiences, but not once did I ever come 388 00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:41.000 across a book on UFOs. I just wasn't looking in the right place. 389 00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:47.160 But then nineteen ninety six comes around and I have a close friend and she 390 00:29:47.240 --> 00:29:49.279 goes, you know, I have an aunt. I don't remember how the 391 00:29:49.319 --> 00:29:52.599 subject came up. She goes, I have an aunt that had an encounter 392 00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:56.720 with that being on that book. I'm like, what book are you talking 393 00:29:56.799 --> 00:30:00.359 about? And she goes, I think it's called Communion. So I'm like, 394 00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:03.960 okay. So so I started reading Communion, and I had no idea 395 00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:07.920 it was the beginning was for me, it was frightening. I had no 396 00:30:07.960 --> 00:30:11.079 idea what the book was about. So it really scared me. So one 397 00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:15.039 night I said, I'm not sleeping in my room. I'm sleeping on the 398 00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:17.759 couch. I'm going to sleep on the couch. I'm going to sleep with 399 00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:18.599 the lights on. Next thing, you know, I wake up in the 400 00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:22.200 middle of the night. I'm frozen there. I can't move. I'm paralyzed. 401 00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:26.240 I'm like, uh oh, the aliens. Aliens are coming to take 402 00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:29.440 me. I can't believe this, So it was scary. I think it 403 00:30:29.480 --> 00:30:32.880 was either depends on who you talk to, it's either the beginning of an 404 00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:37.160 out of body state or sleep paralysis. So I got out of it and 405 00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:38.400 I woke and like, you know, I'm not gonna I'm not going to 406 00:30:38.440 --> 00:30:41.839 read this book anymore. I don't need this. This is too scary. 407 00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:44.799 So I put it down. A few days later, I said, he 408 00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:48.559 let me start. I'll start reading again. So I read it and then 409 00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:52.519 I said, oh, this he talks about life after death, reincarnation, 410 00:30:52.599 --> 00:30:55.640 telepathy. There's so much more to this than I ever thought. So I 411 00:30:55.680 --> 00:30:59.039 finished reading it. I read his two other books and went to the bookstore, 412 00:30:59.279 --> 00:31:00.519 and then that just started me down the rabbit hole. I mean, 413 00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:04.640 I read every metaphis, every met physical book I could get my hands on 414 00:31:06.039 --> 00:31:10.119 channel books. I had no discernment. Everything I read I believed, and 415 00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:15.519 just over the years that changed. But back then it was just NonStop reading. 416 00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:19.240 That's basically how I started getting into the subject. That's cool. What 417 00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:22.680 I love about people that are more my age getting into this is that when 418 00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:26.960 we talk about this sort of thing, it makes more sense. So, 419 00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:30.240 for instance, like when I got in this let's say twenty years ago. 420 00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:33.559 A lot of the people I was working with, they were older. So 421 00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:37.920 when they're talking about we're talking about close Encounters. By then, they're already 422 00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:41.240 working with Heineke and everything, you know. But it's cool to talk to 423 00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:44.799 someone who was a kid when that came out, like me, so I 424 00:31:44.839 --> 00:31:48.480 can really identify that, you know, for me, Close Encounters was huge 425 00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:53.160 too. But fortunately I did not come across the Communion book because that would 426 00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:57.640 have scared the academy. Yeah. Yeah, it was not something I was 427 00:31:57.680 --> 00:32:00.279 expecting. But I mean, that book really changed my life. I mean, 428 00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:04.519 that just got me going. And I've seen streamers speak over the years. 429 00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:07.319 Actually I went to LA last year late and saw him speak, and 430 00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:10.279 he's still a great speaker. And I still love I still I love I 431 00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:15.640 love his work. Yeah, you know, he's kind of funny because when 432 00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:17.160 he spoke at to Congress. At first I asked him to speak, He's 433 00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:20.599 like, nobody wants to hear from me, and it was kind of weird, 434 00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:22.680 and I'm like, are you kidding? And he's like, no, 435 00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:23.720 nobody wants to hear from me. And I'm like, yes, they do. 436 00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:28.400 And so even at the conference when he was backstage. He's like, 437 00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:30.240 is there anybody even out there? I don't think people like me very much, 438 00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:34.039 and I'm like, it's packed. I had him take a peek. 439 00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:36.640 I was like, look out there, it's packed. People want to see 440 00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:38.559 you. You're one of the headliners of the show. And he's like he 441 00:32:38.680 --> 00:32:44.240 was shocked by that same thing when after his lecture, it was at somebody's 442 00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:47.720 house in Malibu, so it was like about twenty people, so it's really 443 00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:51.720 intimate, which I loved. But afterwards I went up and I said, 444 00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:54.000 where else are you speaking? He's like, nobody wants nobody wants to hear 445 00:32:54.039 --> 00:32:58.279 me speak, so nowhere. I'm like, at the same response, I'm 446 00:32:58.319 --> 00:33:00.240 like, yes, people do want to you speak. Be there are a 447 00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:04.759 lot of people have not been exposed to his to his materials, so you 448 00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:07.279 know, and I don't know what happened to him. He's he's pretty open 449 00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:10.720 minded about not coming to a conclusion about his experiences and what they represent. 450 00:33:10.839 --> 00:33:15.839 But yeah, he's I think he's extremely important to the topic, So that's 451 00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:20.839 pretty interesting. The sleep paralysisn't interesting too. I've had that on a couple 452 00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:23.200 of occasions, and luckily I was old enough I knew what it was, 453 00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:30.359 but it was certainly very coincidental for you. It was and that and that 454 00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:35.799 that subject, the out of body subject is something I really became obsessed with. 455 00:33:35.839 --> 00:33:38.599 I read books on it and tried to go out of body, did 456 00:33:38.640 --> 00:33:44.680 not have any success. But yes, it was definitely coincidental. And you 457 00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:50.039 know, it's something that once again, it changed. It changed my opinion 458 00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:52.720 on everything. It got me going down to different paths that I would not 459 00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:55.160 have gone down if I had not read that book and had that experience. 460 00:33:55.440 --> 00:34:00.839 Mm hmm. So forward two years later and and you know, all this 461 00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:05.440 news comes up Pentagon Secret Program, Tom DeLong, you know, getting involved 462 00:34:05.440 --> 00:34:10.800 with UFOs, went to this crazy rock star dude. What encouraged you then 463 00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:16.840 to start up your website and to start getting involved with transcribing this information and 464 00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:21.320 sharing it. So let me just I'll pick up around two thousand. The 465 00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:24.880 year two thousand, I decided I was a subscriber to Michael Lindaman's newsletter. 466 00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:29.400 Remember Michael Linderman. Yeah, I knew his life very well. Yeah, 467 00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:32.519 Deborah right, mm hmm. I loved his work. So he was telling 468 00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:36.400 me that, and I started doing my own thing, my own little newsletter 469 00:34:36.519 --> 00:34:40.760 email list. It was called open my news Hell. Oh you still learn 470 00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:45.960 named I won't let our boss know. So it was it was around two 471 00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:50.320 thousand and I was two years away from pension at the City of Tampa Television, 472 00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:53.440 and I quit my job two years short of a pension to pursue my 473 00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:58.599 newsletter because I thought it was so the subject was so important. So I 474 00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:00.960 did that, and Mike Lindaman was just getting at it. He was just 475 00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:07.800 retiring, going to something else. So I did the newsletter and I didn't 476 00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:09.679 pursue it hard enough, so I had to go back into television around two 477 00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:15.320 thousand and two. So, you know, between then and two thousand, 478 00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:19.000 I kind of lost interest. You know, I read a lot of UFO 479 00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:22.239 books, but I kind of lost interest because it was nothing new. I'm 480 00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:23.639 like, okay, back then, I thought, you know, the year 481 00:35:23.639 --> 00:35:27.119 two thousand, we're gonna have disclosure. And then I realized, yeah, 482 00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:30.440 it's not good. It's not gonna happen anytime soon. What convinced you of 483 00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:32.960 that? Just I was just naive back then. It was just I had 484 00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:36.960 just gotten into it, and I'm reading some of the books and people are 485 00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:39.239 predicting this, and then the whole two year, two thousand craze. I'm 486 00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:43.519 like, it's gonna happen. It's gotta happen. This is evidence so clear 487 00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:46.199 cut that somebody's something's interacting with us. And then it didn't happen, and 488 00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:50.719 the eventually I lost interest in. I was like, Okay, how many 489 00:35:50.800 --> 00:35:54.119 UFO reports can I read about it? I'm like, so it stopped until 490 00:35:54.199 --> 00:35:59.199 until I started hearing about Tom DeLong. And the first time I heard DeLong, 491 00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:01.400 I was like, you know what, I don't believe them. I 492 00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:06.639 don't believe this guy. I just I don't. And and then something happened. 493 00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:08.599 I went back and listened to another interview, and then the wikileak stuff 494 00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:12.239 happened. I'm like, okay, let me give it a second second listen. 495 00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:15.719 And then the New York Times I heard about stuff was about to come 496 00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:19.800 out. It came out, and it was like everything I got, the 497 00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:22.760 passion was back. I was like, this is what we need. This 498 00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:25.119 is these are credible people. We need pilots coming out, you know, 499 00:36:25.159 --> 00:36:29.239 the former head of a UFO program. And people were you know, people 500 00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:31.840 around me still weren't interested. But for me, it was like, all 501 00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:36.199 right, this is it I'm gonna start start a website again, get it 502 00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:38.719 going again. I'm gonna get on Twitter and be more active. And that 503 00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:45.199 was really that was another you know, jump start for me, that really 504 00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:50.519 once again changed things for me. Mm hmm yeah. And I mean what 505 00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:53.280 I guess were you seeing out there? So obviously you felt, hey, 506 00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:57.079 there's a gap, there's not enough coverage of this, so I'm gonna get 507 00:36:57.079 --> 00:37:00.719 involved. Is it is that true? I don't know. It was me 508 00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:04.159 looking at coverage. It was just me so passionate. I'm like, I 509 00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:06.480 need to get this out. I need to this is stuff I want to 510 00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:09.159 share. And some of the stuff I was doing, like transcripts, was 511 00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:13.599 not being done and there was a lot of one of the I did a 512 00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:17.360 podcast before the New York Times article came out, and the skepticism of every 513 00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:22.280 guest that I was with, they were so down on DeLong that this is 514 00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:24.679 nothing's gonna happen, nothing's coming from this, this is a waste of time. 515 00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:29.079 It's Tom DeLong. And I was like, yeah, I think maybe 516 00:37:29.079 --> 00:37:31.639 we should wait to see what happened before we start making judgments. And then 517 00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:35.840 when it happened, I'm like, I'm gonna it just it just gave me 518 00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:39.039 that push. It was almost like I wanted to show these guys. Listen, 519 00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:42.679 you guys, you jumped the gun. You were wrong, and it 520 00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:45.199 just started me to write about it. And it just the more I learned, 521 00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:49.559 the more I got excited. And now I can't wait for the History 522 00:37:49.639 --> 00:37:52.440 Channel show to come out and to see what TTSA and some other groups that 523 00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:55.239 are going, you know, working on this, what they can bring. 524 00:37:55.320 --> 00:38:00.199 It's just it's just like a it's like a new day in eufology exactly. 525 00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:04.280 I think you're exactly right, and that's what's fun about people like you and 526 00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:07.599 Danny and others kind of coming out and getting involved because it's like a new 527 00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:12.360 you know, breath of fresh air. As the old instagnant you know, 528 00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:16.440 sticks to it. It's what it's done for years and kind of continues his 529 00:38:16.639 --> 00:38:22.159 path, almost ignorant of the exciting things that are happening. I don't get 530 00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:23.440 it. I don't get it. There are people, you know, I'm 531 00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:29.159 not gonna name names, we know we know people that are saying that a 532 00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:35.239 tip and ASAP did not investigate UFOs. I'm like, so basically, Harry 533 00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:39.559 Reid is coming out saying he started a UFO program and he's lying about that 534 00:38:39.920 --> 00:38:44.440 for what so he can be label as the UFO Senator. Why would he 535 00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:47.280 do that? It makes zero sense that Reid would talk about saying it's a 536 00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:52.920 UFO program, and then you have to say Elsando's lying and Chris Mellon is 537 00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:55.920 lying, and they're all lying and put Off and Bigelow and the whole Bigelow 538 00:38:57.079 --> 00:39:01.159 organization and makes Yeah, it makes it makes zero sense. And Harry Reid 539 00:39:01.239 --> 00:39:06.679 story. So I'm a cameraman. I'm a freelance cameraman and I just I 540 00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:10.199 get calls for different kind of jobs. I shoot sports, reality TV conventions. 541 00:39:10.239 --> 00:39:15.000 And then somebody emails me about three weeks ago and they go, hey, 542 00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:17.159 I got to shoot for you. It's a local politician and we need 543 00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:22.000 to h he just needs to do a thank you video. Are you available? 544 00:39:22.039 --> 00:39:24.400 I'm like yeah, sure, So they tell me the date and then 545 00:39:24.760 --> 00:39:29.039 a couple of days before they go, you're you're gonna be shooting Senator Harry 546 00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:32.599 Reid. So I'm like, oh, okay, great, great, It's 547 00:39:32.679 --> 00:39:36.760 like that's a coincidence. So I shot it and then after the interview was 548 00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:38.320 over, I said, can I ask you about the UFO program. He 549 00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:43.920 goes, yeah so that, Yeah, that'll be on my website real soon. 550 00:39:44.960 --> 00:39:47.039 Yeah, it's not it's not a long interview. I didn't push it 551 00:39:47.119 --> 00:39:50.280 was just like, there's like six minutes I had with him, and I 552 00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:52.719 didn't push it. But he you know, he said, I asked him 553 00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:58.000 about Congress and how much progress he's made about you know, getting getting them 554 00:39:58.039 --> 00:40:00.239 interested in hearings, and it's it's a it's a decent little interview. Is 555 00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:04.880 this on camera? No, he did not want to go on camera, 556 00:40:05.239 --> 00:40:09.000 so it's just a transcription. Still, that is awesome way to go. 557 00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:13.880 Good job on that. Yeah, thanks, it was it was a fortunate 558 00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:16.440 break to get that interview. And how did he come across I mean, 559 00:40:16.440 --> 00:40:21.880 did he come across a little hesitant or was he just very nice and open? 560 00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:24.320 At first, I thought he was hesitant because he's like, I don't 561 00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:29.000 want to do this on camera, Like, okay, can we just just 562 00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:31.000 regular interview, you know, no camera. He's like, yeah, that's 563 00:40:31.039 --> 00:40:36.280 fine, and then yeah, his passion comes out. He's he's definitely frustrated, 564 00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:38.280 you know people, He's the main thing he brings up is the stigma. 565 00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:42.880 He's like, I have a really hard time getting you know, people 566 00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:45.800 in Congress interested because of the stigma. It doesn't matter. And I was 567 00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:47.719 like, maybe some of the younger people. He's like, no, it 568 00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:52.119 doesn't matter. Age does not matter. It's still a stigma, but you 569 00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:57.719 know, it's we're making some progress, and I definitely people should check it 570 00:40:57.719 --> 00:41:00.199 out. I even asked him about boba Are because so many people are like, 571 00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:04.119 what does Harry Reid think about Bob Lazar And I'm like, yeah, 572 00:41:04.239 --> 00:41:07.719 I'm gonna ask him, well and get There was an interview recently, maybe 573 00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:12.880 even in your transcript, where George Knapp said Harry Reid was one of the 574 00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:15.960 first people, like the first person he went to once he heard about Bob 575 00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:19.719 Right. And then people there are people out there saying Harry Reid's not interested 576 00:41:19.719 --> 00:41:23.280 in UFOs and they've never spoken to Harry Reid. So, as George Napp 577 00:41:23.360 --> 00:41:28.119 pointed out, so I don't understand that. Yeah, what I mean, 578 00:41:28.159 --> 00:41:30.320 none of us know Harry Reid. Now we know more because George Nap has 579 00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:35.480 shared some of the stories of how Harry Reid became interested in how they shared 580 00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:38.480 information. But at the time I didn't know that nobody knew that and people 581 00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:42.320 just jump, you know, people are speculating, which once again I don't 582 00:41:42.360 --> 00:41:45.679 I don't understand that. Yeah, you know, and what's the I think 583 00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:47.800 one of the hard parts is, Okay, some of this we do have 584 00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:52.840 to rely on the word of George Knapp. However, he's very, very 585 00:41:53.119 --> 00:42:00.960 credible. He's an award winning journalist. You know, he handles his witnesses 586 00:42:01.119 --> 00:42:08.079 and the credibility of the information very professionally. And there's no reason to doubt 587 00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:14.760 George Knapp exactly. He's the reason. Like with the Bobb Blazar story, 588 00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:17.599 which I'm skeptical about, and like you said, you're in the middle or 589 00:42:17.599 --> 00:42:22.960 you're in the gray basket. The only reason I stay interested in that story 590 00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:27.320 is because of the credibility of George Knapp. And you're exactly right. Same 591 00:42:27.320 --> 00:42:30.440 thing with Skinwalker. People like, well, it's only anecdotal stories. I'm 592 00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:31.480 like, yeah, but it's the people who are telling the stories. And 593 00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:37.199 the person who investigated is an award winning investigative journalist, and yes, I 594 00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:39.280 take his word and I trust him, and he's definitely a big part of 595 00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:44.159 the story and the reason why I'm so interested. And you know, yeah, 596 00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:47.559 we need to have data and evidence. But for now, I'm comfortable 597 00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:52.480 taking his word for a lot of this and what a lot of people miss 598 00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:54.360 when it comes to Skinwalker, because I can see those people, well, 599 00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:58.639 there's not even any data. You know, these guys were scientists, give 600 00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:02.440 us data. All we have is anecdotal. But the experiences people had on 601 00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:09.480 Skinwalker are responsible for ASAP and a tip. And I don't think people get 602 00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:14.519 that. No, and and I still and people are still saying, you 603 00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:20.280 know, they're still it's the whole mistrust of the government and military industrial complex. 604 00:43:20.320 --> 00:43:23.159 And yes, I understand that. But you know, a funny side 605 00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:30.079 story with with my television career, I've one of my bosses always made fun 606 00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:34.039 of my UFO stuff. I worked on different shows with him. Now he's 607 00:43:34.119 --> 00:43:37.920 trying to pitch a show about UFOs with a UFO personality to which I won't 608 00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:42.559 name. And he was my I worked on Pond Stars for seven years. 609 00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:45.920 He was he he was one of my bosses on that show. And then 610 00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:52.719 another boss on another show, Wow is involved with Skinwalker ranch and that show. 611 00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:55.280 So it's like, so I'm working on reality TV and these guys are 612 00:43:55.320 --> 00:44:00.519 both working on UFO shows. Kind of a ironic that's so you are working 613 00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:05.559 on a reality TV show now, I mean I work on ninety Day Fiance. 614 00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:07.559 I've worked for the last year. It's a drama show. It's like 615 00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:12.360 the number one TLC show, and yeah, I'm very familiar with it. 616 00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:15.199 For better or worse, Yeah, I'd rather not be working, but you 617 00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:16.559 know, right now, it pays the bills and it's not that bad. 618 00:44:16.599 --> 00:44:22.880 It's it's definitely close. It's very document's documentary style. So I do like 619 00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:27.719 that. Yeah, that's interesting. So getting back to Harry Reid, can 620 00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:31.360 you share his thoughts on lizaar Do you want that to hold that information for 621 00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:36.599 your release article. Basically, he's in the middle. He's like, you 622 00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:38.119 know, some of the story it rings true to him, and some of 623 00:44:38.119 --> 00:44:42.559 it he doesn't know. And he shared, you know, he shared a 624 00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:46.679 he shared a story that that he wanted to relate to the Bob Lazar story. 625 00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:49.719 I don't have it. I don't have it on me memorized, but 626 00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:53.119 people will see it's a little story compared to some I can't even remember what 627 00:44:53.199 --> 00:44:55.800 it is. But he's he's in the middle. He's in the middle. 628 00:44:57.280 --> 00:45:00.280 Yeah, yeah, so like the rest of us, and probably I believe 629 00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:04.800 George Nap is very influential to his decision on that, just like it is 630 00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:08.400 for for me and apparently you as well. Oh, George Lapp is a 631 00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:13.800 huge influence on well. I even got interested in that case. I really 632 00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:17.800 I never really got too interested in Lazarre and did much reading on until I 633 00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:23.480 started hearing about Jeremy Corbel's documentary coming out and then watching some of George's lectures 634 00:45:23.480 --> 00:45:27.440 on Lazar. And you know, I've found certain things that I'm like, 635 00:45:27.559 --> 00:45:30.760 Okay, yeah, I don't know that's that doesn't make any sense to me. 636 00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:34.400 But you know, I don't know if we'll ever find out the truth 637 00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:38.159 about Lazarre, but it's definitely a it's an interesting and fun story to read 638 00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:44.519 about. Mm hmm. Yeah, Jeremy's I think I very much like Jeremy's 639 00:45:44.519 --> 00:45:49.480 work also, and you know they are friends, and especially Jeremy, and 640 00:45:51.079 --> 00:45:53.119 you know, when I talk with George and Jeremy about Lazard, they know 641 00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:59.440 I'm skeptical and so I have that attitude, but of course they know I 642 00:45:59.480 --> 00:46:02.079 also respet them and their work and what they have to say very much too. 643 00:46:02.840 --> 00:46:07.079 But that's kind of another odd end of it. And and you know, 644 00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:09.800 because I get well, I'm taking it easy on these guys because they're 645 00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:15.719 my buddies. But we do have kind of like politicians at professional you know, 646 00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:17.920 where we know what our roles are. We have to be honest above 647 00:46:19.039 --> 00:46:25.079 every anything, even friendships, and we all understand that it's tough because this 648 00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:30.239 subject it's not you know, it's not like there's that many people in those 649 00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:34.920 positions that are interested in it. So yeah, you're automatically you're going to 650 00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:37.199 become friends with people, and it's yeah, it's tough, you know, 651 00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:42.960 to balance friendship with you know, being skeptical. But that's where we are. 652 00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:46.280 You know. It's not like there's a thousand reporters out there covering this. 653 00:46:46.360 --> 00:46:50.880 Hopefully in our lifetimes we'll see that, but for now, I mean 654 00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:55.639 from George Knapp is the guy you know as far as top reporters, and 655 00:46:57.599 --> 00:47:00.000 if you make friends with them, then it's hard not to because he's such 656 00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:04.000 a likable guy. So you're stuck in the middle. But I don't really 657 00:47:04.039 --> 00:47:07.840 you know, it doesn't really bother me, especially since you know his background. 658 00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:12.719 His credibility speaks for itself. What about you said your favorite people to 659 00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:16.599 listen to are George Knapp and Lou Alessando. What about them in particular do 660 00:47:16.639 --> 00:47:22.880 you appreciate I just love Georgia's style, his humor, sticks to the facts, 661 00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:29.039 Alexando Alessando has yet to say. I mean, I know there's some 662 00:47:29.119 --> 00:47:32.159 details about how the program started and how the videos got released that are you 663 00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:36.760 know, we're learning about. But as far as people say he's spreading this 664 00:47:36.880 --> 00:47:42.719 info or skeptical of that, what has he said that's controversial. Our military 665 00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:46.480 has been engaging with objects that are unknown to us. That's basically what he 666 00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:51.239 says. That's basically what he's been saying. So how is that controversial? 667 00:47:51.519 --> 00:47:55.000 I mean, he's behind some big the government's trying to trick us into what 668 00:47:55.320 --> 00:48:01.519 into believing that our guys and military guys and girls are interacting with unknown objects. 669 00:48:01.519 --> 00:48:06.000 We already know that. It's just now we're getting we're getting more data, 670 00:48:06.039 --> 00:48:10.400 we're getting videos, so you know, and his lecture at the SEU, 671 00:48:10.639 --> 00:48:15.960 which I'm almost untranscribing, was just it was fantastic. I mean, 672 00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:21.360 you can't. I think he's he's the modern day without the astro. You 673 00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:23.239 know, he doesn't have the same degree as Heinek, but he's kind of 674 00:48:23.239 --> 00:48:27.960 like that. For me, he's the modern day Heineck. He's that credible 675 00:48:28.199 --> 00:48:30.719 person. He's the go to guy. He's the face, like I said, 676 00:48:31.039 --> 00:48:36.320 he's the perfect face face of the franchise for TTSA. That's the guy 677 00:48:36.360 --> 00:48:39.639 you want out front. Yeah. And I think his likability has worked against 678 00:48:39.719 --> 00:48:44.960 him in that everybody wants to hear from him because he's I feel, and 679 00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:49.159 he always says no, no, no, But he's very good at presenting. 680 00:48:49.239 --> 00:48:52.840 Like you heard the SEU presentation. He's like, how is that? 681 00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:54.559 Was that okay? And it's like, dude, you're great. I know 682 00:48:54.960 --> 00:48:59.320 that you don't want to be the spokesperson for TTSA. That's not what you 683 00:48:59.360 --> 00:49:01.679 signed up whip for and that's kind of what you've become. But you did 684 00:49:01.719 --> 00:49:05.400 great. I mean, like you said, I mean he's a great presenter, 685 00:49:05.519 --> 00:49:09.960 right, He's a great presenter, and he's very likable and people like, 686 00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:15.159 well, that's because he is a counterintelligence agent and that's what he's known. 687 00:49:15.440 --> 00:49:19.559 That's what he that's what he's good at. He's good at tricking people. 688 00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:22.239 I'm like, yeah, I don't think so, like I said, 689 00:49:22.239 --> 00:49:27.519 if he said something controversial, like DeLong says, controversial stuff. Alizono does 690 00:49:27.559 --> 00:49:30.679 not Alisono sticks. I mean, he's made it. They made a couple 691 00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:35.639 of mistakes with the with the Washington photo and the balloon that was connected you 692 00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:39.400 know, to the to the article online by Puco Cuchiio, the one who 693 00:49:39.400 --> 00:49:43.800 first put the tic tech article online. But it's like, for the most 694 00:49:43.840 --> 00:49:45.920 part, and I know they've had problems with public relations, but the most 695 00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:50.840 but for the most part, I love. I love everything they're doing. 696 00:49:50.880 --> 00:49:53.960 And you know, I'm a little worried about the History Channel show because I've 697 00:49:53.960 --> 00:49:58.480 worked on so many shows. But you know, let's see, the real 698 00:49:58.519 --> 00:50:02.840 goal is will it will it convince more congressional you know, people to get 699 00:50:02.840 --> 00:50:07.320 on board and push for open hearings or push for more funding. You know, 700 00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:10.320 we're out of time, so we're gonna take a short break and then 701 00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:15.079 we'll come back and talk more about this. But for those of you listening 702 00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:19.079 on the radio, you're going to hear a commercial break. For the rest 703 00:50:19.119 --> 00:50:22.480 of you, you'll hear a short musical interlude, and then we'll be back 704 00:50:22.519 --> 00:51:04.000 with Joe Mergia UFO. Joe on Open minds UFO Radio. Welcome back to 705 00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:07.920 Open Mind UFO Radio. I am your host, Alejandro Rojas, and I 706 00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:14.880 have with me Ufo Joe also known as his given name, you Joe Mergia. 707 00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:17.960 And before we left went to the break, we were talking about Lou 708 00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:22.920 Elizondo. And you know, people, whether they want to doubt me or 709 00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:27.719 not, that's fine. But and everybody knows, and even you know in 710 00:51:27.800 --> 00:51:30.800 my conversations with Lou, when I'm like, he's questioned, well is that 711 00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:34.000 accurate? You know what I said? And I'm like, well, here's 712 00:51:34.000 --> 00:51:37.000 my sources, this is what they said. And sometimes somebody goofs and they 713 00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:43.519 didn't say it accurate. And I'm getting clarification from Lou, and of course 714 00:51:43.559 --> 00:51:46.440 he feels bad for that other person or whatever, but or if he's goofed 715 00:51:46.440 --> 00:51:52.599 in the past, but I haven't found in any of it. But I 716 00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:54.639 will call out when you know, well this person said this, is that 717 00:51:54.719 --> 00:52:00.760 true? Ooh, maybe that's not quite right. But I haven't found looking 718 00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:07.199 any major glaring discrepancies or signs of deception. And what's interesting is time goes 719 00:52:07.239 --> 00:52:12.119 on, is all of the pieces fit, especially what with Lou's told us. 720 00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:15.519 Lou says this and this and this was the case. We don't have 721 00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:17.480 evidence of that, but then all of a sudden, you know, stuff 722 00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:21.559 starts to appear, and it's just like Lou said, it was right, 723 00:52:21.679 --> 00:52:25.000 I mean, and people are just waiting. There are people waiting for one 724 00:52:25.159 --> 00:52:29.679 mess up. Oh there it is. I told you he's not to be 725 00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:32.000 trusted. So yeah, he's done. He's done a great job. I 726 00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:37.039 mean, I never I never thought that somebody like him would be coming out 727 00:52:37.079 --> 00:52:40.559 speaking like George Knapp said at his lecture in UFO Mega Con, he's like 728 00:52:42.119 --> 00:52:45.559 so Alessando's steps on the stage says yep, I ran a UFO program in 729 00:52:45.559 --> 00:52:50.039 the Pentagon. It's real. And there was no response. The media was 730 00:52:50.440 --> 00:52:54.320 it was October of twenty seventeen, and I was like, I remember George 731 00:52:54.360 --> 00:52:59.199 and I going on coast to coast saying he had this long open how amazing 732 00:52:59.239 --> 00:53:02.559 it was. And it's people are like, yeah, nah, don't care, 733 00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:06.800 don't care. And that's another thing. When the New York Times article 734 00:53:06.840 --> 00:53:08.800 came out, you know, I told a lot of friends and family about 735 00:53:08.800 --> 00:53:12.920 it, and maybe one or two like that's really interesting. But for the 736 00:53:12.920 --> 00:53:16.159 most part it's once again, yeah, no response. I don't I don't 737 00:53:16.199 --> 00:53:21.519 care. But what that article and Ali Zando coming out have done for me. 738 00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:24.880 Whenever I encounter somebody knew. If I'm taking an uber ride and I 739 00:53:24.920 --> 00:53:28.920 see a little opening, I'm like, so did you hear about the New 740 00:53:29.000 --> 00:53:31.599 York Times article and the Pentagon UFO program, They're like no, And then 741 00:53:31.920 --> 00:53:36.239 you know, we start up a conversation. Usually they'll change the subject, 742 00:53:36.239 --> 00:53:40.079 but not always. So that's another thing. I remember Diana Pasulka said the 743 00:53:40.119 --> 00:53:43.440 same thing for her. She says, now I can refer to that New 744 00:53:43.519 --> 00:53:45.880 York Times article and it gives it credibility that we've never had before. So 745 00:53:46.119 --> 00:53:50.880 that's a great thing. Yeah, exactly. And for those of us who 746 00:53:50.920 --> 00:53:54.280 engage with the mainstream media, yeah, it's more tools than our toolbox to 747 00:53:54.280 --> 00:53:58.199 say, well, the Pentagon looked into it and ticke it seriously, and 748 00:53:58.239 --> 00:54:00.519 here's what the guy who ran that program said. Yes exactly. And I 749 00:54:00.559 --> 00:54:05.559 know people are, you know, skeptical of the New York Times because the 750 00:54:05.559 --> 00:54:08.039 way they've treated the subject over the years, but that's not the way they 751 00:54:08.039 --> 00:54:12.880 treated it in this particular article. And that's that's what's important. Right now, 752 00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:15.119 I'm not going to talk about, you know, the last couple of 753 00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:17.320 decades, and they've done some Washington Posts too. They've done some They've done 754 00:54:17.320 --> 00:54:22.039 some really good articles on UFOs and some not so great articles. But you 755 00:54:22.079 --> 00:54:25.840 know, having the Washington Post, Political and New York Times do a three 756 00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:30.519 pronged bam here it is. It was great. You know, it wasn't 757 00:54:30.559 --> 00:54:35.679 just one outlet, right, So I want to get into some of the 758 00:54:35.719 --> 00:54:37.960 stuff that you've written about lately. So of course there's a two thousand and 759 00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:42.920 four Knimtz case, and recently at UFO Congress had quite a few of the 760 00:54:42.920 --> 00:54:47.840 witnesses together and you wrote your latest his confirmation. Second witness also says he 761 00:54:47.920 --> 00:54:54.880 saw longer tic tech video and was told sonar contact occurred. So let's talk 762 00:54:54.880 --> 00:55:00.360 about that. Who said that and why is that significant? So Jason Turner, 763 00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:07.199 who was on board, I believe the Princeton, he said that he 764 00:55:07.360 --> 00:55:10.440 went in it was I'm not sure exactly where it was. I don't have 765 00:55:10.480 --> 00:55:15.599 it memorized, but he said he saw sat down and watched it live. 766 00:55:15.079 --> 00:55:19.400 He said he watched it live in one of the consoles, and it was 767 00:55:19.760 --> 00:55:22.559 anywhere from seven to ten minutes, and the object was doing all kind of 768 00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:30.719 all kinds of crazy maneuvers, and he said when you see the object start. 769 00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:32.960 You know the video we've seen the TikTok where it starts and goes off 770 00:55:32.960 --> 00:55:37.800 the screen. He said, that's the beginning of the video. Right after 771 00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:40.239 that is where the good stuff happens. So he was the only person who 772 00:55:40.280 --> 00:55:45.280 had said that until Gary Vorhis, who was also on board, he said 773 00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:51.079 he saw the same video. So we have two guys saying they saw an 774 00:55:51.079 --> 00:55:54.679 extended video of the tic tac, and Georgia said, or Jeremy has said 775 00:55:54.719 --> 00:55:59.559 that there are more videos out there, but they haven't addressed that particular one, 776 00:55:59.559 --> 00:56:02.440 because David Fravorite basically has not said anything like that. He's the pilot 777 00:56:02.480 --> 00:56:07.559 of the F eighteen who encountered the tiktac. He said it was you know, 778 00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:09.679 the video he saw was well, it was actually it wasn't. His 779 00:56:09.800 --> 00:56:15.039 video was the guy who went up Chad Underwood two hours afterwards. But this 780 00:56:15.199 --> 00:56:20.480 was the first time I had heard there was a longer video when Jason Turner 781 00:56:20.519 --> 00:56:23.320 said that, So, I mean, two guys, it's not proof. 782 00:56:23.480 --> 00:56:29.840 We need to actually see the video. One day and at UFO Mega COG 783 00:56:29.840 --> 00:56:34.000 George Knapps said that he had heard there was a twenty minute video out there, 784 00:56:34.039 --> 00:56:37.320 but I asked him afterwards if he was talking about the tic Tac case. 785 00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:39.400 He said, no, it wasn't a Tiktac case. So I don't 786 00:56:39.400 --> 00:56:43.519 know what case he's talking about, but I would love to see a twenty 787 00:56:43.559 --> 00:56:47.239 minute video and that Paddel was great. The military panel was Kevin Day, 788 00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:52.480 Jason Turner, Pjus, and Gary Voorhies And got to hang out with those 789 00:56:52.519 --> 00:56:57.119 guys a little bit before and after, and you know, it's I can't 790 00:56:57.159 --> 00:57:00.440 remember that. I think I was sitting next to somebody and they said, 791 00:57:00.440 --> 00:57:05.079 this is historic. I've never been to a UFO conference where four military witnesses 792 00:57:05.519 --> 00:57:10.679 are speaking about an event they experienced. So yeah, that was really something 793 00:57:12.039 --> 00:57:15.639 I had never experienced, which is important. And I think we have to 794 00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:27.400 remember to categorize things that we have people who are essentially sympathetic or who are 795 00:57:27.519 --> 00:57:32.639 on board to help release information, and we have people that aren't on board 796 00:57:32.639 --> 00:57:37.199 to release information. And I think it's important for people to categorize because of 797 00:57:37.199 --> 00:57:42.440 course we have lou and we have his group. Harry Reid. Luckily he 798 00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:45.360 didn't have to. He could have said, ah, yeah, I was 799 00:57:45.400 --> 00:57:46.280 involved with that, but I don't want to talk about it. You know, 800 00:57:46.360 --> 00:57:50.719 he doesn't have to do all these interviews. Luckily Harry reads on board 801 00:57:50.760 --> 00:57:53.159 to help out. There's Lou, there's some of the big low staff. 802 00:57:53.199 --> 00:57:57.519 A lot of them are completely quiet, you know, kind of keeping under 803 00:57:57.559 --> 00:58:00.960 the radar. And then we have witnesses, and we're fortunate to have an 804 00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:06.599 abundance of witnesses in this case who are helpful. But it's important to know 805 00:58:06.719 --> 00:58:10.800 the DoD is still not on board. They are not really releasing or sharing 806 00:58:10.920 --> 00:58:20.079 information. In fact, it seems apparent that they are releasing some information that 807 00:58:20.320 --> 00:58:25.880 might not even be accurate. Time will tell. And then we have the 808 00:58:25.920 --> 00:58:30.639 witnesses, but not the military. So when we hear about these videos, 809 00:58:30.639 --> 00:58:32.920 it's kind of like, well, why can't we see them? We've seen 810 00:58:32.960 --> 00:58:37.639 some of them, you know, we don't even really know that the behind 811 00:58:37.679 --> 00:58:42.599 the scenes and how those three videos got out, but it's a monumental effort 812 00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:47.400 and it's probably highly doubtful we'll see the other videos unless maybe you know, 813 00:58:47.519 --> 00:58:52.920 Congress or something gets involved. Because they have been unwilling to share anything. 814 00:58:52.920 --> 00:58:57.360 I've got a host of foyas out there, and you know, they have 815 00:58:57.519 --> 00:59:00.800 not responded to any except to say, we're really bit the right well, 816 00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:06.039 and I'm amazed that some of the people take and I'm not saying they're out 817 00:59:06.199 --> 00:59:10.280 outright lying, like as Alessando has said, he just doesn't think one, 818 00:59:10.519 --> 00:59:14.199 you know, the left hand is knows what the right hander is doing. 819 00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:19.000 Right. You know, it's such a huge bureaucratic mess. But then George 820 00:59:19.079 --> 00:59:22.599 Knapp at UFO Mega Con said, and I have this quote. It says, 821 00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:27.159 you know, in the past with blue book quote, they they lied 822 00:59:27.599 --> 00:59:30.320 and they're lying now when they said the program is over, it's not over. 823 00:59:30.440 --> 00:59:36.000 It's still ongoing. In fact, there's more than one on end quote. 824 00:59:36.079 --> 00:59:38.320 So it's like, yeah, he's using the L word there. I 825 00:59:38.320 --> 00:59:42.519 don't know if they're lying, but I definitely don't take their word when they 826 00:59:42.559 --> 00:59:45.920 say something, especially with the whole aviation aerospace. Oh yeah, it's aviation, 827 00:59:46.320 --> 00:59:50.039 it's aviation, and then oh no, it's it's aerospace. They were 828 00:59:50.039 --> 00:59:53.199 wrong. Sorry, that's a good point. There's one point where they were 829 00:59:53.199 --> 00:59:58.039 wrong. But then again, if we go through history and we look at 830 00:59:58.119 --> 01:00:01.719 cases at Stephenville, they were wrong. You know, they had to correct 831 01:00:01.719 --> 01:00:05.679 themselves. They said that they said one thing and then they came out and 832 01:00:05.719 --> 01:00:09.280 said, oh, sorry, we were wrong, and said another O'Hare was 833 01:00:09.320 --> 01:00:14.079 similar, but that was more with the FAA saying no, we didn't receive 834 01:00:14.119 --> 01:00:16.840 any reports, and then when the Chicago Tribune gets involved, oh yeah, 835 01:00:17.000 --> 01:00:22.280 we did have reports. So I mean, unfortunately, with these pr groups, 836 01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:30.239 lying is kind of common, and which is kind of interesting because you 837 01:00:30.280 --> 01:00:34.320 know, one of the persons people who's been lied to the most by these 838 01:00:34.480 --> 01:00:38.760 groups is John Greenwald, who's got, you know, done so many foyas, 839 01:00:38.760 --> 01:00:43.719 although for some reason he doesn't think he's getting lied to in this case. 840 01:00:43.840 --> 01:00:47.039 But we'll see. Because yeah, they say they didn't release those videos. 841 01:00:49.119 --> 01:00:52.400 Many have seen the paperwork that shows that they have, although that hasn't 842 01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:55.159 been released. But the New York Times said they verified it, you know 843 01:00:55.320 --> 01:01:01.119 that they verified, Yes, indeed, the d ID and then Eric Davis's 844 01:01:01.559 --> 01:01:06.800 he didn't contradict, but he got in some more details on another podcast where 845 01:01:06.800 --> 01:01:15.920 he said Alisando worked with a specific group or a specific department within the Pentagon. 846 01:01:15.079 --> 01:01:20.039 So maybe that group, you know, he got them clear through them 847 01:01:20.079 --> 01:01:22.920 and nobody else knew that was going on. Maybe that happened, and they're 848 01:01:22.039 --> 01:01:27.400 kind of feeling burned by that. I don't know, but yeah, I 849 01:01:27.440 --> 01:01:30.440 think that is the thing that makes the most sense, because the first thing 850 01:01:30.480 --> 01:01:36.400 they said was the proper channels weren't taken, and Lou was I guess they 851 01:01:36.400 --> 01:01:39.119 were. We have the document that shows it. It's just this last step. 852 01:01:39.400 --> 01:01:44.079 They said that we were supposed to see it the PR group before it 853 01:01:44.119 --> 01:01:47.079 went out, but Lou argues that no, that is nowhere in our director 854 01:01:47.159 --> 01:01:52.239 that we have to pass it through them, and so certainly there are some 855 01:01:52.039 --> 01:01:57.960 concerns there that seemed to be shading things. So I guess time will tell 856 01:01:58.320 --> 01:02:00.360 when it comes to that. But I mean it's kind of a very tiny 857 01:02:00.400 --> 01:02:06.159 point because the point is the videos are out. The videos are out, 858 01:02:06.199 --> 01:02:09.519 and you know, if you're right, if we're right in thinking that they're 859 01:02:09.559 --> 01:02:14.679 feeling burned by this, I don't think there's a very good chance of more 860 01:02:14.760 --> 01:02:17.599 videos come out, unless, like you said, Congress gets involved and they 861 01:02:17.599 --> 01:02:22.679 say release it. So you know, I'm not I'm not expecting anything soon, 862 01:02:22.719 --> 01:02:25.559 but hopefully there's more stuff out there that we're going to see on the 863 01:02:25.599 --> 01:02:29.920 History Channel show. I hope. I know. I'm sure they all had 864 01:02:29.920 --> 01:02:32.360 to sign NDA's for that show, and that's part of the reason they can't 865 01:02:32.360 --> 01:02:37.519 talk about certain stuff. But another thing, you know, you know what 866 01:02:37.559 --> 01:02:40.679 this is missing. We're missing a female. Nobody at TTSA has come out, 867 01:02:42.039 --> 01:02:45.039 Nobody connected to a TIP, No females. That's why I think the 868 01:02:45.159 --> 01:02:51.840 female pilot who was providing cover for Fravor. Her experience is written down in 869 01:02:51.880 --> 01:02:54.480 one of the one of the reports. It's really detailed. If she ever 870 01:02:54.559 --> 01:02:57.800 came out, I know she wants nothing to do with this from what I 871 01:02:57.840 --> 01:03:00.519 heard, but if she ever came out, I think it really important to 872 01:03:00.519 --> 01:03:05.119 have a female energy brought to this. What do you think? Oh, 873 01:03:05.239 --> 01:03:12.440 I agree with that a gazillion gazillion billion, you know, I agree with 874 01:03:12.480 --> 01:03:15.320 that wholeheartedly. In fact, it's funny you bring it up because I've been 875 01:03:15.360 --> 01:03:20.480 thinking about it a lot lately. It's been a while since I've had a 876 01:03:20.519 --> 01:03:22.960 woman on the show, and I feel really guilty about that. You know, 877 01:03:23.039 --> 01:03:27.440 I grew up hanging out in a household where it was mostly women, 878 01:03:27.519 --> 01:03:31.239 my sisters and my mom. You know, here the girls have gone off 879 01:03:31.280 --> 01:03:37.000 to school, but you know, my girlfriend's girls I've lived with essentially, 880 01:03:37.239 --> 01:03:43.440 and and so I'm used to being around women, and I don't feel comfortable 881 01:03:43.440 --> 01:03:47.000 when it's just men to be honest, and that is something that is severely 882 01:03:47.239 --> 01:03:52.400 lacking now. A lot of what I do. Luckily because Karen, my 883 01:03:52.440 --> 01:03:55.639 girlfriend's into this stuff, who runs to congress, so she comes with me, 884 01:03:55.800 --> 01:03:59.880 so, you know, which is helpful because then we get to know 885 01:04:00.119 --> 01:04:01.639 also the wives. So I've gotten to know who the wives of some of 886 01:04:01.639 --> 01:04:06.880 the Big Low people. We get along really well with Lou and his wife, 887 01:04:08.639 --> 01:04:12.480 so and that's another interesting aspect, is to hear what they have to 888 01:04:12.519 --> 01:04:16.119 say. And you know what's funny is that I've heard a lot from wives 889 01:04:16.159 --> 01:04:19.480 and I've never talked about that because they do verify some of this stuff, 890 01:04:19.519 --> 01:04:24.880 and they do have interesting stories that lend to the credibility of their husbands. 891 01:04:25.920 --> 01:04:29.760 But I can't share them because they're always like, don't say anything because their 892 01:04:29.800 --> 01:04:31.360 wives, you know, they don't want any attention. And they don't and 893 01:04:31.519 --> 01:04:35.519 especially the husbands, you know, especially with Big Low having received so much 894 01:04:35.559 --> 01:04:41.760 negativity and Lou that they don't want any negative attention to their spouses. So 895 01:04:42.239 --> 01:04:45.320 it's always like, okay, you know, they're always don't tell anybody about 896 01:04:45.320 --> 01:04:48.159 what she says. Don't talk about this. I can't you know, I 897 01:04:48.159 --> 01:04:51.159 can't blame them. I love the little stories, but I can't blame them. 898 01:04:51.719 --> 01:04:56.599 Who can blame me? After you see the way people come come at 899 01:04:56.639 --> 01:05:00.480 you so hard. I mean people have come out Alizondo and DeLong and and 900 01:05:00.519 --> 01:05:03.480 Melan anybody. It's just like they're so angry that this is going on. 901 01:05:03.639 --> 01:05:06.960 It's like, and you know, we all speculated, Well, it's because 902 01:05:08.159 --> 01:05:11.440 they've been doing I remember somebody said, why is DeLong? Why did he 903 01:05:11.480 --> 01:05:13.920 get you for a Research of the Year. I've been doing this for a 904 01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:16.360 long time. I should get that award. It's like, there's they're so 905 01:05:16.880 --> 01:05:20.519 upset that somebody new is getting all the attention. I think that's part of 906 01:05:20.599 --> 01:05:24.039 it. That's a big part of it. But yeah, I don't I 907 01:05:24.039 --> 01:05:27.079 don't blame wives. That's that's really interesting. You bring up wives and their 908 01:05:27.119 --> 01:05:30.079 stories, because yeah, that's that's confirmation unless you want to say, well, 909 01:05:30.119 --> 01:05:32.159 the lives are lying. The wives are lying too, they're just protecting 910 01:05:32.199 --> 01:05:35.599 their husbands, which I'm sure people would say. But yeah, I don't 911 01:05:35.599 --> 01:05:39.960 blame them for one wanting to say out of the spotlight and not be quoted 912 01:05:40.159 --> 01:05:43.480 on the record, well, that's why I've been really curious to speak to 913 01:05:43.719 --> 01:05:45.760 them too, to say, you know, were you aware of this? 914 01:05:45.079 --> 01:05:50.079 A lot of times I expect if there's any deception then them to kind of 915 01:05:50.480 --> 01:05:56.599 roll their eyes or you know, some sort of like them getting frustrated, 916 01:05:57.239 --> 01:06:00.920 or even if they just don't want to get into it saying I'd rather not 917 01:06:00.039 --> 01:06:05.360 say anything. But that's not the case. Usually they are like I, 918 01:06:08.239 --> 01:06:15.360 you know, here's my experience, and they have these very interesting stories that 919 01:06:15.360 --> 01:06:19.760 that essentially do corroborate with what their husbands say, but more than that, 920 01:06:20.639 --> 01:06:30.800 show that you know, they've had They've essentially have been involved, They've had 921 01:06:30.840 --> 01:06:33.639 experiences that are interesting and interesting stories to share related to all of it. 922 01:06:33.800 --> 01:06:40.239 So yeah, it's really interesting and it's too bad we don't have that female 923 01:06:40.280 --> 01:06:44.840 aspect. And that's probably why, because these men's spouses aren't getting involved. 924 01:06:44.960 --> 01:06:47.639 But like you said, who can blame them when they just get beat up 925 01:06:47.719 --> 01:06:53.960 like crazy? What's been nice? Is that? And I want to know 926 01:06:53.960 --> 01:06:57.760 if you have felt this since you've gotten involved, is that certainly people beat 927 01:06:57.800 --> 01:07:00.719 me up like crazy. When I finally was like after the Wiki leagues, 928 01:07:00.719 --> 01:07:04.360 I was like, oh my gosh, Tom's been telling me he's doing something 929 01:07:04.400 --> 01:07:10.039 important. I've been skeptical, but he is. This is amazing. Nobody 930 01:07:10.079 --> 01:07:13.960 has had a sit down meeting with people at this high of level to talk 931 01:07:13.960 --> 01:07:16.079 about UFOs. That's why we gave him the award. You know, if 932 01:07:16.119 --> 01:07:18.519 anybody else would have done that, they would have got the award. But 933 01:07:18.559 --> 01:07:23.320 Tom did it, and that's when I was all in, like, wow, 934 01:07:23.360 --> 01:07:26.559 he's doing something significant. We need to watch. And people were bashing 935 01:07:26.599 --> 01:07:29.440 me, you know, they were really negative. But that seems to change 936 01:07:29.480 --> 01:07:32.079 as time goes on, as you know, we get more and more great 937 01:07:32.119 --> 01:07:35.960 information and more of what they've told us is being confirmed or at least what 938 01:07:36.039 --> 01:07:40.599 Lou has been saying. Have you seen kind of a tide change? Have 939 01:07:40.679 --> 01:07:46.000 people become more accepting of TTSA and everybody? You think? I've seen a 940 01:07:46.039 --> 01:07:49.840 few people start to change their tune. I mean, there's still skeptical. 941 01:07:49.880 --> 01:07:57.079 They're also upset that it's on History Channel, And as Bob Kiviat of the 942 01:07:57.199 --> 01:08:01.639 Alien Autopsy Fame said at MEGA, we need to get this to CBS News. 943 01:08:01.719 --> 01:08:03.679 I mean, yeah, of course, of course, I want it 944 01:08:03.679 --> 01:08:09.480 to be on sixty minutes and an eight piece investigative you know series with all 945 01:08:09.599 --> 01:08:12.840 news investigative journalists looking at that. But right now this is what we have. 946 01:08:12.920 --> 01:08:15.480 We don't have that. We have History Channel, And yeah, I've 947 01:08:15.519 --> 01:08:19.079 seen people open their minds saying Okay, I've listened. I listened to Alizonder. 948 01:08:19.119 --> 01:08:24.520 I met him at the SEU conference, and I got to say, 949 01:08:24.600 --> 01:08:28.119 yeah, he's really a nice guy and he really comes across as believable. 950 01:08:28.159 --> 01:08:30.840 I mean, I'm still skeptical, but you know, meeting him in person 951 01:08:30.920 --> 01:08:34.640 really changed my opinion on him. So I'm seeing that I personally, I 952 01:08:34.640 --> 01:08:38.359 mean, I'm not as I'm not as visible as you, but on Twitter, 953 01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:42.800 I haven't gotten too much negativity. People leave me alone for I don't 954 01:08:42.800 --> 01:08:46.760 know why Facebook's a little different, but Twitter, I haven't really gotten a 955 01:08:46.760 --> 01:08:50.640 lot of negative feedback. I mean, maybe that'll change as this ramps up, 956 01:08:50.680 --> 01:08:56.520 but I've been really fortunate on that front. And hopefully hopefully in May, 957 01:08:56.640 --> 01:09:00.199 like May, when the show airs Unidentified on History, that more people 958 01:09:00.239 --> 01:09:04.119 will say, Okay, there's obviously there's obviously something going on, or I'm 959 01:09:04.199 --> 01:09:08.960 open minded to see what TTSA has has in store and has Knap said, 960 01:09:09.039 --> 01:09:13.399 even if they even if they don't do anything more than helping get those three 961 01:09:13.479 --> 01:09:16.039 videos released or having a part in that. He goes even that if they 962 01:09:16.079 --> 01:09:19.159 just went, if they disappeared after that, it would still be a great 963 01:09:19.159 --> 01:09:23.960 accomplishment that helped change things for us. Mm hmm. You know. And 964 01:09:24.000 --> 01:09:27.039 I think one of the reasons. And I think this helps me too, 965 01:09:27.039 --> 01:09:30.039 because I get less bashing than a lot of people out there. And I 966 01:09:30.079 --> 01:09:33.840 think it's just sticking to the facts and sticking to the information. Staying focused 967 01:09:33.960 --> 01:09:40.119 is what you're doing. You're posting helpful information. You're not making, you 968 01:09:40.159 --> 01:09:45.079 know, strong claims or saying You're sharing the information to let people determine on 969 01:09:45.119 --> 01:09:49.039 their own. And I think that's why people appreciate it and are less likely 970 01:09:49.119 --> 01:09:53.560 to kind of come after people like that. I agree. And and the 971 01:09:53.600 --> 01:09:56.319 old in the old days, I wasn't like that. When I first started. 972 01:09:56.359 --> 01:09:59.479 I was like, no, they're extraterrestrial, they're extraterrestrial. And had 973 01:09:59.680 --> 01:10:02.079 I had a friend who was a big time skeptic, but and he would 974 01:10:02.119 --> 01:10:06.680 always hammer me and and it forced me to really improve on my debating skills. 975 01:10:06.720 --> 01:10:10.399 And over the years, I'm like, that really helped me out and 976 01:10:10.439 --> 01:10:13.399 I appreciate having that person back then at the time, I didn't appreciate it, 977 01:10:13.439 --> 01:10:15.640 but now I do. And it's like, now I'm like, I 978 01:10:15.640 --> 01:10:17.000 will not say that. I'm like, yeah, they I don't think you 979 01:10:17.000 --> 01:10:20.800 should rule out extraterrestrial, but we don't know what they are. There's so 980 01:10:20.880 --> 01:10:26.079 many possibilities if you want to speculate. I'll speculate all day long about what 981 01:10:26.119 --> 01:10:28.800 they could be. But I do not know. And when people come and 982 01:10:28.800 --> 01:10:30.640 say, listen, they're extraterrestrial. They are they are, I'm like, 983 01:10:31.199 --> 01:10:34.560 yeah, I can't say that. I'm sorry, you know, I just 984 01:10:34.960 --> 01:10:39.159 I'll leave it alone and just say, you know, I'll disagree. I'll 985 01:10:39.199 --> 01:10:42.239 agree to disagree right now. That's funny because I get the same thing and 986 01:10:42.279 --> 01:10:45.840 people. It's funny because people in the field, you know, you experiences. 987 01:10:45.880 --> 01:10:47.840 I'm sure they assume that that's how you feel. I mean, when 988 01:10:47.840 --> 01:10:50.319 they're you're approaching they begin to talk to you, they assume that you're on 989 01:10:50.399 --> 01:10:54.319 board, that you know this is all aliens and abduction and all of this, 990 01:10:54.880 --> 01:10:57.159 right, and I have to tell them, well, I don't know 991 01:10:57.199 --> 01:11:01.399 that for sure. I mean maybe maybe exactly. And somebody the other day 992 01:11:01.439 --> 01:11:04.920 it was great, they go listen. The big problem I have with this 993 01:11:04.960 --> 01:11:10.279 whole UFO stuff is they I don't think they can get here from there. 994 01:11:10.399 --> 01:11:12.640 And I go, well, how do you know they're coming from anywhere? 995 01:11:12.640 --> 01:11:15.720 How do you know they're not already? They haven't been here from tens of 996 01:11:15.760 --> 01:11:17.000 thousands of years. They don't have to go anywhere. And he said, 997 01:11:17.079 --> 01:11:20.079 right, M I guess that defeats my argument. I'm like, yeah, 998 01:11:20.079 --> 01:11:24.359 I'm not saying that's the case, but you know, we don't know where 999 01:11:24.359 --> 01:11:28.119 they're coming from at all. Yeah, at least I don't so on your 1000 01:11:28.119 --> 01:11:31.119 website, I guess what is the biggest deal right now? Like if you 1001 01:11:31.359 --> 01:11:34.439 were if if someone was like, hey, I heard you have a website. 1002 01:11:34.560 --> 01:11:38.800 You know, I got a few minutes later today to look at it. 1003 01:11:38.920 --> 01:11:43.119 What should look at? What would you tell someone? I'd say, 1004 01:11:43.199 --> 01:11:47.760 take a look at the note slash transcript of the of the Nimitz case with 1005 01:11:47.840 --> 01:11:53.000 those four witnesses. That was one of my favorite that I hadn't been to 1006 01:11:53.039 --> 01:11:55.600 a UFO conference in a while, and that was I had so much fun 1007 01:11:55.640 --> 01:12:00.319 at that conference meeting those guys and some of the transcripts I've done for me, 1008 01:12:00.520 --> 01:12:04.520 And also I have an a Lazar article up there. It's been a 1009 01:12:04.560 --> 01:12:09.319 couple of months with Eric Davis. That was one of my favorite articles to 1010 01:12:09.399 --> 01:12:15.279 write because I went back and looked at every argument that George and Jeremy had 1011 01:12:15.319 --> 01:12:17.680 made in favor of a czar, and I looked and and I went and 1012 01:12:17.760 --> 01:12:20.439 tried to see if there was any other counterpoint to that, and I found 1013 01:12:20.439 --> 01:12:26.520 some. And that that article is really good because Eric Davis is one anti 1014 01:12:26.600 --> 01:12:29.880 Lazar. He thinks he's full of it, and you'll see that in the 1015 01:12:30.000 --> 01:12:34.399 article. And another thing that I loved when you did this story too, 1016 01:12:34.560 --> 01:12:40.880 and that Davis got his word out there. And I've asked you know about 1017 01:12:40.920 --> 01:12:45.199 this because what's interesting about this is that these are all TTSA guys. Essentially, 1018 01:12:45.319 --> 01:12:49.359 Eric Davis is working with to the stars. They're all big low people, 1019 01:12:49.439 --> 01:12:54.720 all A tip people, but they disagree. George, of course, 1020 01:12:54.800 --> 01:12:58.760 is not in these organizations, but he's very friendly with all of the people 1021 01:12:58.800 --> 01:13:02.319 and knows them. How Whoever, you've got people who are in there, 1022 01:13:02.399 --> 01:13:06.359 some who believe in Lizar and some who don't. So you've got this interesting 1023 01:13:06.439 --> 01:13:11.079 dynamic where you know, this is a topic not all of them agree on, 1024 01:13:11.119 --> 01:13:14.960 and then you have Eric Davis coming out making some very strong statements. 1025 01:13:15.640 --> 01:13:17.880 And I've asked, I've said, you guys have to Haslazar ever come up, 1026 01:13:17.880 --> 01:13:21.239 and if he has, it's probably been some pretty interesting conversations. And 1027 01:13:21.279 --> 01:13:26.279 I got this look like, oh yeah, that's yeah. That's why I 1028 01:13:26.279 --> 01:13:29.439 asked Reid about Lazar because I was curious what his take was on it. 1029 01:13:29.680 --> 01:13:33.119 But like I said, he was neutral, open minded. But the thing 1030 01:13:33.279 --> 01:13:38.840 another thing, Eric Davis recently said that, you know, we keep hearing 1031 01:13:38.880 --> 01:13:41.760 Atip a tip a tip, and and I'm not I don't focus on the 1032 01:13:41.800 --> 01:13:45.479 negative or the contradictions. But Eric Davis said, yeah, a Tip wasn't 1033 01:13:45.479 --> 01:13:47.359 the name. It was just a nickname. And Harry Reid pulled out of 1034 01:13:47.399 --> 01:13:53.479 thin air when he wrote that letter to uh to Lynn William Lynn. So 1035 01:13:53.520 --> 01:13:57.279 it's like, oh, really see, and that's not necessarily true. And 1036 01:13:57.319 --> 01:14:01.479 then here's here's the deal. And and here's why I say this is because 1037 01:14:01.560 --> 01:14:04.880 I've been really focused on this, on clarifying that, and I just got 1038 01:14:04.880 --> 01:14:11.039 to interview lou recently on this to clarify. And it's kind of funny because 1039 01:14:11.039 --> 01:14:14.560 he feels like, you know, I can't speak for what everybody else says. 1040 01:14:14.880 --> 01:14:16.560 And he's even had a couple of mistakes when he's talked about this, 1041 01:14:16.880 --> 01:14:19.399 But here we go. I'll share this right now, and I don't think 1042 01:14:19.439 --> 01:14:24.560 I haven't shared this yet with my interview on him. So here's the details. 1043 01:14:28.279 --> 01:14:31.880 Essentially, what happened is there was ASAP. AWSAP was created ran by 1044 01:14:32.159 --> 01:14:39.000 Lou's predecessor. It was focused on all of the paranormal, as George and 1045 01:14:39.079 --> 01:14:44.279 Lou have told us. Over time, these religious factions started and others started 1046 01:14:44.319 --> 01:14:46.319 coming at them and like, you can't do this, you can't do this. 1047 01:14:46.800 --> 01:14:53.760 So there was a decision made early on to create a TIP And I 1048 01:14:53.760 --> 01:14:56.359 don't know who created the name. I didn't ask that, but maybe I'll 1049 01:14:56.399 --> 01:14:59.319 go back and see if I can find that out. But then this was 1050 01:14:59.399 --> 01:15:02.720 kind of a sub group to focus just on UFOs and just military cases, 1051 01:15:03.159 --> 01:15:08.680 and they thought that this would be more palatable to people out there, which 1052 01:15:08.680 --> 01:15:14.079 it was then, so over time this was kind of lose focus as time 1053 01:15:14.159 --> 01:15:17.399 went on. You know, the as AP part had to die essentially because 1054 01:15:17.520 --> 01:15:20.640 you know, these religious factions and stuff were not going to tolerate it. 1055 01:15:21.920 --> 01:15:28.560 But a TIP continued and then the name officially changed when Loud took over about 1056 01:15:28.560 --> 01:15:31.239 that time later, on. Uh, there's a timeline there, so then 1057 01:15:31.279 --> 01:15:36.199 that's when a tip officially took over as the name. So a tip was 1058 01:15:36.199 --> 01:15:40.239 a name out there. Maybe it was Harry Reid who came up with it, 1059 01:15:40.359 --> 01:15:45.960 but it wasn't what says, It wasn't officially technically official as a name 1060 01:15:46.119 --> 01:15:51.359 until Harry Reid wrote that document. So I could see why some people would 1061 01:15:51.359 --> 01:15:55.560 be shocked or that, you know, I could see why Eric Davis would 1062 01:15:55.600 --> 01:15:58.760 be shocked because he knew the program as os app and all of a sudden, 1063 01:15:59.000 --> 01:16:01.560 Harry Reid is calling a tip and that was the first time they really 1064 01:16:01.760 --> 01:16:06.600 just after Harry Reid did that, decided we're just sticking with a tip then, 1065 01:16:08.239 --> 01:16:10.880 And yeah, that's really interesting. I did not know that. It 1066 01:16:10.920 --> 01:16:13.680 makes a lot of sense, just you know, yeah, because there's a 1067 01:16:13.720 --> 01:16:15.319 lot of confusion. And I'm like, you know, Lou, these people 1068 01:16:15.399 --> 01:16:18.800 are confused. People are saying stuff different, and he's like, unfortunately, 1069 01:16:18.800 --> 01:16:24.960 I can't speak to what they knew or what they're saying, but that's what 1070 01:16:25.079 --> 01:16:27.720 happened. But here's my argument. This is why I don't think it's a 1071 01:16:27.720 --> 01:16:30.319 deception. And I'd like to hear your opinion, and sorry for going off 1072 01:16:30.439 --> 01:16:33.359 were supposed to be interviewed with you. That's new information that nobody knows about. 1073 01:16:33.920 --> 01:16:39.800 But Lou was an administrator, and I've made this argument everybody has their 1074 01:16:40.000 --> 01:16:45.960 role, the expert opinion, the official. Uh. The person we need 1075 01:16:45.000 --> 01:16:49.680 to talk to about the name of the program would be Lou, Harry Reid 1076 01:16:49.720 --> 01:16:56.319 and some aspects, but especially Lou and his predecessor. They were in the 1077 01:16:56.359 --> 01:17:00.720 DEA. They were or do O D. Lou was OSD. They were 1078 01:17:01.000 --> 01:17:06.720 the people who worked on the administrative end of things, so they would know. 1079 01:17:08.720 --> 01:17:13.560 Eric Davis helped put off. They are contractors, so they won't know. 1080 01:17:14.119 --> 01:17:15.880 In fact, I think it was Hell who said, or others have 1081 01:17:16.000 --> 01:17:19.359 said, I don't even know the name of the program when I'm writing papers 1082 01:17:19.399 --> 01:17:24.000 I'm contracted for with the government sometimes because I don't care, you know, 1083 01:17:24.079 --> 01:17:27.119 They're like, hey, we need you to write a paper on this or 1084 01:17:27.159 --> 01:17:30.479 do this work, and they do it. So that's why they would be 1085 01:17:30.560 --> 01:17:35.880 fuzzy about the naming of what was named when right and then and so and 1086 01:17:35.920 --> 01:17:40.399 with the New York Times, as puts it, I wasn't on as APP. 1087 01:17:40.439 --> 01:17:43.279 I never worked on as APP. I was, you know, brought 1088 01:17:43.319 --> 01:17:45.640 in, worked on a tip. It wasn't my program, so I wasn't 1089 01:17:45.640 --> 01:17:49.399 going to speak to something I didn't have the authority to speak on. I 1090 01:17:49.399 --> 01:17:53.960 had the authority to speak on a tip, So I spoke on a tip 1091 01:17:54.199 --> 01:17:58.119 and nobody knew about ASAPP at the time. And you'll notice there's a trend 1092 01:17:58.600 --> 01:18:01.319 that a lot of these top we didn't know about or lou didn't talk about. 1093 01:18:01.720 --> 01:18:08.319 He doesn't talk about until the existence of whatever it is is leaked, 1094 01:18:09.319 --> 01:18:12.319 and it's mostly George Nap getting these leaks, and he got a lot of 1095 01:18:12.319 --> 01:18:15.600 these from Washington, presumably from Harry Reid. We don't know, and he's 1096 01:18:15.600 --> 01:18:19.800 not sharing who leaked this information to him, but want it's leaked, like 1097 01:18:19.880 --> 01:18:25.000 ACEP is leaked. Okay, now Luke can talk about ACEP because it's been 1098 01:18:25.079 --> 01:18:28.479 leake it existed, right, Yeah, exactly. I don't see it as 1099 01:18:28.479 --> 01:18:30.319 any I don't see it as deception either. I mean, sometimes I hear 1100 01:18:30.359 --> 01:18:34.319 stuff I'm like, oh that that contradicts that, But it's like overall, 1101 01:18:34.359 --> 01:18:39.720 when you hear Eric Davis and he on the on the on the main most 1102 01:18:39.720 --> 01:18:44.439 important stuff about UFOs, and you know all the details surrounding that he's on 1103 01:18:44.520 --> 01:18:47.479 board you know, he doesn't. He doesn't contradict anything anybody else says. 1104 01:18:47.640 --> 01:18:53.720 And it's funny because the same thing happened with the remote viewing program exactly. 1105 01:18:55.680 --> 01:18:57.680 I remember at the time it happened. It's like, yeah, there was 1106 01:18:57.680 --> 01:19:01.079 a religious faction. And if you watch Third Eye Spies, Joe mcmonaicaal said, 1107 01:19:01.399 --> 01:19:04.199 some member of Congress came up to him and said, you're doing the 1108 01:19:04.199 --> 01:19:06.640 work of the devil, and then another one came up to him and said, 1109 01:19:06.840 --> 01:19:10.359 you're doing the work of God. He goes, I don't know which 1110 01:19:10.359 --> 01:19:15.159 one scared me more. Exactly. That's so funny that you brought that up, 1111 01:19:15.239 --> 01:19:17.359 because when I was talking to Lou, I've been telling him you need 1112 01:19:17.399 --> 01:19:25.159 to watch Third Eye Blind or the new documentary Third Eye Spies. Of course, 1113 01:19:25.199 --> 01:19:28.319 I've been writing about all this forever because Jim marge wrote a book, 1114 01:19:28.359 --> 01:19:30.720 I've been able to interview Joe McGonagall and everything. But that was a great 1115 01:19:30.760 --> 01:19:36.800 documentary because it kind of highlighted How's career through all of this, and that's 1116 01:19:36.840 --> 01:19:41.680 what I really liked about it because he's so bertinent right now, he's the 1117 01:19:41.680 --> 01:19:45.640 guy on the scene. But yes, How's been through all this before. 1118 01:19:45.880 --> 01:19:50.560 And it also demonstrates that how is not some kind of you know, spy 1119 01:19:50.600 --> 01:19:55.720 releasing, you know, manipulating us, because he has been working his whole 1120 01:19:55.800 --> 01:20:02.239 career on looking into kind of these fringe aciences and trying to promote their usage 1121 01:20:02.319 --> 01:20:09.479 and research his whole career. So this is a continuation of what he's been 1122 01:20:09.520 --> 01:20:12.920 doing for for many, many years. Yeah, people say, well, 1123 01:20:13.279 --> 01:20:16.239 these these CIA people, all of them have been involved in this for such 1124 01:20:16.279 --> 01:20:19.279 a long time. It's the same group of characters. I think Kiviat makes 1125 01:20:19.279 --> 01:20:24.119 that argument, like, yeah, because where is hell put off going to 1126 01:20:24.159 --> 01:20:29.720 go work and as a full time job and do investigations into psychic you know, 1127 01:20:30.000 --> 01:20:31.800 remote viewing. There's not a lot of places he can go. So 1128 01:20:31.840 --> 01:20:34.479 if our government's open to it and they're willing to pay him to do it, 1129 01:20:34.479 --> 01:20:36.680 of course he's going to do it. Right. The same same for 1130 01:20:36.720 --> 01:20:39.960 a lot of these people. It's like so of course you're going to see 1131 01:20:39.960 --> 01:20:44.479 the same names working in the same small government circles. There's not as far 1132 01:20:44.479 --> 01:20:46.479 as I know, there's not a lot of places you can go and work 1133 01:20:46.520 --> 01:20:50.560 full time looking into you know, psychic functioning. I mean, I know 1134 01:20:50.640 --> 01:20:54.720 some people have been able to do it like Dean Raid and he's done work 1135 01:20:54.720 --> 01:20:57.920 over the years. But you know, it's not a surprise to me at 1136 01:20:57.920 --> 01:21:01.079 all. That hell, you know, and I don'tunderstand how people have that. 1137 01:21:01.720 --> 01:21:04.399 He's another likable guy who's been you know, as an older guy who's 1138 01:21:04.439 --> 01:21:09.079 been around for a long time. He seems always open when he speaks about 1139 01:21:09.079 --> 01:21:13.760 it, and I don't understand. I don't understand that the real skepticism that 1140 01:21:13.800 --> 01:21:15.880 he's once again, like you said, he's some disinformation guy. I don't 1141 01:21:15.960 --> 01:21:19.520 you know that they're missing all of the facts. And that's why I recommend 1142 01:21:19.560 --> 01:21:25.760 people if you want to know more about how go watch Third Eye Spies, 1143 01:21:25.800 --> 01:21:29.279 which is what on Netflix or something like that. I think it's five bucks 1144 01:21:29.359 --> 01:21:33.159 or something. Uh, it's well well worth it because a remote viewing program 1145 01:21:33.560 --> 01:21:41.119 was extraordinary and it was fascinating and there are so many parallels to what we're 1146 01:21:41.199 --> 01:21:45.880 learning about os APP and a tip that it's just an extremely important, uh 1147 01:21:46.359 --> 01:21:50.399 set of information. And it's funny because there are a lot of people who 1148 01:21:50.439 --> 01:21:54.399 are open minded about UFOs there, Yes, this is legitimate, and then 1149 01:21:54.439 --> 01:21:57.359 I bring up remote viewing and like, yeah, that's there's nothing to remote 1150 01:21:57.399 --> 01:22:00.319 viewing. I'm sorry, I'm like, have you tried it? Because I've 1151 01:22:00.359 --> 01:22:02.680 taken classes. I took a class with Limby Cannon. I took a class 1152 01:22:02.680 --> 01:22:06.640 with Prudence Calabresi, who was controversial, but she taught remote viewing and I 1153 01:22:06.720 --> 01:22:11.600 did it and I got results. There were real basic results, but they 1154 01:22:11.600 --> 01:22:15.279 were results that were specific, little details that would pop up out of nowhere. 1155 01:22:15.560 --> 01:22:17.600 So I would tell people try it for yourself. I mean, the 1156 01:22:17.640 --> 01:22:21.239 Control of the Remote Viewing Manual is online that the military used. You can 1157 01:22:21.319 --> 01:22:25.880 learn it. It's not that difficult. Try it and impress yourself. You 1158 01:22:25.920 --> 01:22:30.119 know, don't be skeptical of something if you haven't tried it. And it's 1159 01:22:30.199 --> 01:22:32.560 like this this wall. Some people will accept ufoos, but they won't accept 1160 01:22:32.600 --> 01:22:35.560 remote viewing. And there's other topics the same thing. It's like, nope, 1161 01:22:35.600 --> 01:22:39.119 sorry, it's too far out there. But look at the evidence. 1162 01:22:39.159 --> 01:22:42.720 And I think the evidence for remote viewing is impressive. Yeah, yep, 1163 01:22:43.640 --> 01:22:47.560 really interesting stuff. We're essentially out of time, so let's see what you're 1164 01:22:47.560 --> 01:22:55.600 working on. You're working on transcribing the seu ae PC all of these acronyms 1165 01:22:55.680 --> 01:22:59.239 that the conference in Alabama, and I'm proud to have. You know, 1166 01:22:59.319 --> 01:23:02.439 I've been working with it to you from the beginning, and I think that 1167 01:23:02.680 --> 01:23:09.000 conference went excellent and it was so nice for the for Lou and how to 1168 01:23:09.039 --> 01:23:12.439 be there because they got to see that there are you know, serious people 1169 01:23:12.439 --> 01:23:15.600 in the UFO field who have been in the UFO field for decades, uh, 1170 01:23:15.760 --> 01:23:19.319 just kind of lurking out there and doing their work, keeping their nose 1171 01:23:19.399 --> 01:23:25.199 to the grindstone type of thing that don't get as much attention because they're working, 1172 01:23:25.680 --> 01:23:28.479 you know, and they don't have anything bombastic to say. They're working 1173 01:23:28.560 --> 01:23:33.159 on science and facts and figures. So that was great. But in this 1174 01:23:33.279 --> 01:23:38.079 transcript, I guess kind of a preview of maybe what people have looked to 1175 01:23:38.119 --> 01:23:42.960 look forward to. What are some of the big pieces from that transcript that 1176 01:23:43.039 --> 01:23:47.439 you think are significant? With Lou's transcript, yeah, I need to go 1177 01:23:47.520 --> 01:23:51.199 through and get it's so long. It's just so much. There's so much 1178 01:23:51.239 --> 01:23:58.239 information in there between between his transcript, the George Knapp transcript that I'll be 1179 01:23:58.279 --> 01:24:01.600 posting tonight, and the Harry Reid transcript. Those are those are just in 1180 01:24:01.640 --> 01:24:05.520 a read one that's not very long, but it's just there's just so much 1181 01:24:05.560 --> 01:24:10.880 information for people between Alexando and Red that were in there, they were in 1182 01:24:10.920 --> 01:24:15.279 the know, and it's just I can't get enough of, Like I said 1183 01:24:15.760 --> 01:24:18.960 of Alexando speaking about how the I know a lot of people don't care about 1184 01:24:18.960 --> 01:24:24.720 how the program started, what they analyzed, and what they investigated. But 1185 01:24:25.279 --> 01:24:28.279 I'm one of those people that wants I want to read up on everything, 1186 01:24:28.359 --> 01:24:30.640 and Alexando it's I think it was like an hour maybe an hour, No, 1187 01:24:30.680 --> 01:24:33.439 it's like over two hours, I think it was. So it's like 1188 01:24:33.680 --> 01:24:38.479 that if you want to if you want to learn about a tip and ASAP 1189 01:24:38.920 --> 01:24:43.479 and what went on and the history that's that read that transcript. That's probably 1190 01:24:43.520 --> 01:24:47.199 that'll be my most important transcript as far as preserving that transcript historically for people 1191 01:24:47.199 --> 01:24:49.760 to go back and look at that for people who know all have time to 1192 01:24:49.800 --> 01:24:55.960 watch the whole video and the read transcript will be up there probably today, 1193 01:24:56.800 --> 01:25:00.920 And I was just gonna keep doing what I'm doing, just trying to trying 1194 01:25:00.920 --> 01:25:03.960 to put everything together for the people who are really you know, I really 1195 01:25:04.039 --> 01:25:08.880 want to I really want to connect with mainstream, and a lot of mainstream 1196 01:25:08.920 --> 01:25:13.319 people are not going to be interested in these minute details, So I just 1197 01:25:13.359 --> 01:25:15.880 need to figure out a way to get I think the show will help because 1198 01:25:15.920 --> 01:25:19.600 that is perfect for mainstream New York Times article has helped. I just think 1199 01:25:19.640 --> 01:25:23.560 it's a matter of time and we just need to be patient. As Alezando 1200 01:25:23.680 --> 01:25:27.760 always preaches, It's like patients have patients, and I do have patients, 1201 01:25:28.039 --> 01:25:30.279 and I've been doing this for a long time, so I'm over the next 1202 01:25:30.319 --> 01:25:33.039 couple of years, I think more and more will come out, and hopefully 1203 01:25:33.079 --> 01:25:36.680 if Congress gets behind this, then people will finally wake up. Can you 1204 01:25:36.720 --> 01:25:41.239 imagine how the news is going to cover this if Congress actually has hearings on 1205 01:25:41.279 --> 01:25:45.239 this again, and we have pilots coming forward allowed to speak about it for 1206 01:25:45.279 --> 01:25:47.680 not fear of losing their flying license, to be able to fly. It's 1207 01:25:47.720 --> 01:25:51.680 like imagine all the pilots from the gimbal coming forward talking about yeah, you 1208 01:25:51.680 --> 01:25:57.800 know spear, you know with spirit, you know up close. Jeremy Jeremy 1209 01:25:57.800 --> 01:26:01.199 Corbel said at MEGAA they were wolves to these jets. In fact, David 1210 01:26:01.239 --> 01:26:04.119 Fraber said, there was a there was a near miss where it almost hit 1211 01:26:04.119 --> 01:26:08.000 one of our jets. So I think that would really get the attention to 1212 01:26:08.000 --> 01:26:12.479 the America the world. If that happens. I agree, super exciting, 1213 01:26:12.840 --> 01:26:16.720 and I want to say you're doing a really great service because when it comes 1214 01:26:16.720 --> 01:26:23.399 to the mainstream, quotes and sources are paramount, you know, and it's 1215 01:26:23.439 --> 01:26:27.479 important to tell them so and so said this, so and so said that. 1216 01:26:27.680 --> 01:26:31.880 Otherwise they're going to assume that you're speculating or assuming. But when you 1217 01:26:32.039 --> 01:26:38.560 quote the major players, especially a Harry Reid, but also a scientist, 1218 01:26:38.680 --> 01:26:42.920 you know, someone who worked in the Pentagon, that's what's really important. 1219 01:26:43.199 --> 01:26:46.479 And that's what's really important about what you're doing, because you'll notice when I 1220 01:26:46.520 --> 01:26:50.760 have a really great story like George Knapp, where there's just so rich full 1221 01:26:50.760 --> 01:26:55.000 of quotes that I need to pull, I'll do a transcript. I did 1222 01:26:55.039 --> 01:26:57.720 a transcript of Louis Elisanda, but I can't get to all of these, 1223 01:26:58.199 --> 01:27:00.720 and so what you're doing is so important, and then we can go find 1224 01:27:00.800 --> 01:27:04.840 exactly what they said and had the have the exact quote. So what you're 1225 01:27:04.880 --> 01:27:10.800 doing is just invaluable. And thank you so much for just getting out there. 1226 01:27:11.640 --> 01:27:14.960 Yeah, I appreciate that, Alejandro. And and hopefully one day I'll 1227 01:27:15.000 --> 01:27:17.640 learn how to type a little faster so it doesn't take me five days I 1228 01:27:17.640 --> 01:27:21.199 mean, al Zando's taking a long time, So yeah, I appreciate it. 1229 01:27:21.880 --> 01:27:26.439 I'll keep at it. Well, thank you so much for being on 1230 01:27:26.479 --> 01:27:30.119 the show. We'll definitely have you back again because this story is not going 1231 01:27:30.159 --> 01:27:32.399 away, and as you just mentioned, you know, it's just going to 1232 01:27:32.439 --> 01:27:35.279 get better and better as we learn more and more. And apparently we're going 1233 01:27:35.319 --> 01:27:41.279 to learn a lot more in the History Channel show, and so that's going 1234 01:27:41.359 --> 01:27:44.479 to be really exciting. What I'm getting exciting about, because we're working on 1235 01:27:44.520 --> 01:27:48.079 releasing some of the names for the International UFO Congress, is that our congress 1236 01:27:48.159 --> 01:27:51.720 is going to be after the show, and we're going to have you know, 1237 01:27:51.920 --> 01:27:56.399 some of the people involved with this at the congress. So we're going 1238 01:27:56.479 --> 01:27:59.720 to be able to share information and get more information about some of what we 1239 01:27:59.760 --> 01:28:01.880 learned in the History Channel show. So that's going to be really exciting, 1240 01:28:02.119 --> 01:28:05.720 and I hope you can come. Oh, I hope to be there. 1241 01:28:05.760 --> 01:28:10.920 I cannot wait for the show and for the Congress and for the next year 1242 01:28:11.000 --> 01:28:13.279 or two. It's going to be I'm excited, you know, I haven't 1243 01:28:13.319 --> 01:28:15.359 been this excited in a long time. And I appreciate you having me on 1244 01:28:15.399 --> 01:28:19.800 the show. And look forward to seeing what the future holds for us. 1245 01:28:19.800 --> 01:28:25.880 My pleasure. Thank you so much, thank you, thank you so much 1246 01:28:25.960 --> 01:28:30.119 for UFO Joe Mergia for being on the show. Check him out at ufojoe 1247 01:28:30.159 --> 01:28:35.600 dot net. That's ufo joe dot net. So he's doing some really good 1248 01:28:35.640 --> 01:28:39.960 stuff there. You know, as we talked about throughout the show, some 1249 01:28:40.039 --> 01:28:42.920 of the transcripts and stuff that he's doing, So he's definitely someone that you're 1250 01:28:42.920 --> 01:28:45.119 going to want to check out. You can also find him on Twitter. 1251 01:28:45.359 --> 01:28:48.600 Twitter is kind of where a lot of us are sharing some up to the 1252 01:28:48.640 --> 01:28:56.159 minute information, so you will find him on Twitter as ufo Joe eleven. 1253 01:28:56.560 --> 01:29:00.359 You can also search him by name Joe Mercia. You'll find Danny up there 1254 01:29:00.640 --> 01:29:05.079 and Mike Demante some of the people I've interviewed. So a lot of fun, 1255 01:29:05.159 --> 01:29:08.880 a lot of really really good stuff. So this is really exciting. 1256 01:29:08.920 --> 01:29:13.239 More and more news is coming out. I have a couple den of geek 1257 01:29:13.680 --> 01:29:17.560 articles with some of the background that we've discussed about TSA and a tip and 1258 01:29:17.640 --> 01:29:23.119 all of that stuff, and Tom DeLong essentially getting ready for this show to 1259 01:29:23.119 --> 01:29:26.720 come out. I just really want to make sure the public is as informed 1260 01:29:26.720 --> 01:29:30.680 about all of the details as possible, making sure we're credited is given too. 1261 01:29:30.760 --> 01:29:33.800 I really want people to know it. If it wasn't for Tom DeLong, 1262 01:29:34.199 --> 01:29:38.079 you know, none of this would have happened. This information wouldn't have 1263 01:29:38.239 --> 01:29:41.800 gotten out. So I have a story that's outlining how he made all this 1264 01:29:41.920 --> 01:29:44.319 come about. Even though I've written about that in the past, this is 1265 01:29:44.359 --> 01:29:47.520 kind of new and updated and just about that single topic. And then I 1266 01:29:47.560 --> 01:29:53.239 have another one that will be coming out essentially about how you know, a 1267 01:29:53.439 --> 01:29:57.319 tip was a lot more at the beginning, it was this US app and 1268 01:29:57.399 --> 01:30:00.359 it was this you know, paranormal investigation to begin with. So I have 1269 01:30:00.359 --> 01:30:04.039 an article coming out on that as well, and I'll keep on writing about 1270 01:30:04.079 --> 01:30:09.399 all of this. So lots of exciting projects happening, so check Joe out. 1271 01:30:09.520 --> 01:30:12.159 Otherwise, you know the UFO Congress. Like I said, there's more 1272 01:30:12.199 --> 01:30:15.680 and more information coming out about the Congress, so be sure to go to 1273 01:30:15.760 --> 01:30:18.560 Ufocongress dot com and you can check out more. I'll tell you right now 1274 01:30:18.600 --> 01:30:21.479 if you click around there, you're going to find some new information. Even 1275 01:30:21.520 --> 01:30:25.560 though we haven't really launched it all yet, we will be in the next 1276 01:30:25.600 --> 01:30:30.039 few days. And then also you know, follow the social media. I 1277 01:30:30.039 --> 01:30:33.640 go to UFO Congress on Twitter and Facebook, and then you can also on 1278 01:30:33.640 --> 01:30:38.560 the front page of ufocongress dot com join the email list. And right now 1279 01:30:38.640 --> 01:30:42.159 I think I told you guys this last time. We're having problems with the 1280 01:30:42.159 --> 01:30:45.159 Open Minds emailing. It all got changed up and we're kind of a sub 1281 01:30:45.640 --> 01:30:51.399 email of a larger company, so there's some problems there. So really, 1282 01:30:51.520 --> 01:30:55.560 right now, the UFO Congress is the best email list to get onto, 1283 01:30:55.640 --> 01:30:59.279 so you could get your email newsletter on everything that we're up to, because 1284 01:30:59.279 --> 01:31:02.199 I do post that stuff at the UFO Congress website as well and put that 1285 01:31:02.279 --> 01:31:05.000 in the email. So if you want to keep up to speed, go 1286 01:31:05.119 --> 01:31:10.319 ahead and do that. So we'll be letting you know about a lot more 1287 01:31:10.479 --> 01:31:15.800 that way coming up here soon. Otherwise, do please go to my Patreon. 1288 01:31:15.880 --> 01:31:17.960 You'll see a link down below in the show notes, or you can 1289 01:31:18.039 --> 01:31:24.279 also just go to Patreon and click look for Alejandro Rojas and you'll find me 1290 01:31:24.479 --> 01:31:28.359 Patreon spelled p A t r e O N. So I hope you'll consider 1291 01:31:28.439 --> 01:31:30.239 going on and becoming a member for a buck, you know, only a 1292 01:31:30.279 --> 01:31:33.119 dollar a month, and I'll be sure to get you lots of exclusive, 1293 01:31:33.199 --> 01:31:39.600 great information and especially allow you to ask questions. So send me some questions 1294 01:31:39.640 --> 01:31:42.079 that I can ask the guests. That's kind of cool service, right. 1295 01:31:42.239 --> 01:31:45.760 Let's helps some manage so I'm not getting these questions from all over the place. 1296 01:31:45.840 --> 01:31:48.119 But yeah, that way we can interact more, become more of a 1297 01:31:48.159 --> 01:31:51.119 community, and you could help me out so I could keep doing this stuff 1298 01:31:51.119 --> 01:31:56.199 because I would like to keep doing it if possible, you know. Anyway, 1299 01:31:57.039 --> 01:32:00.760 thank you all for listening. I want to really I think some of 1300 01:32:00.760 --> 01:32:03.199 the people I usually think. I want to thank Caleb Hanks for the opening 1301 01:32:03.239 --> 01:32:08.800 and close music. I want to thank Systematics for the bumper music. Of 1302 01:32:08.840 --> 01:32:11.640 course, I want to thank you the listener for being here. Once again, 1303 01:32:11.720 --> 01:32:15.880 we have another great show, physicist doctor Eric Davis. This is going 1304 01:32:15.960 --> 01:32:19.199 to be really really good stuff coming up next week, so be sure to 1305 01:32:19.279 --> 01:33:15.960 be here otherwise, until next time, audio smooth, chuchos, youre motionless.