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This is Later with Lee Matthews,
The Lee Matthews Podcast More What You Here

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weekday Afternoons on the Drive pallin Rowden. You know from Cold k CSI,

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Crime Scene Investigation, Lost Weeds,
and many many others. Her new film,

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she co stars with Kyle Golner in
Mother May I and she's joining us

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now. Greetings, Holland, Hi, how are you good to have you

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along? This film centers around a
man who has to go back to the

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house of a deceased relative to clean
it out. I'm chuckling because I've done

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my share of that. It's definitely
the reaction we're getting is it's quite a

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personal story that you know, a
lot of people have had to experience.

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Unfortunately, is the cycle of life. And hopefully it didn't go down exactly

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like this. No, No,
but all three my mother in law,

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father in law, and brother in
law, and they all died within about

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a ten year period. All of
them were tenacious hoarders. Every nook and

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cranny had something stuffed in it.
When we got it all out, We're

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like, what are you gonna do
with all this stuff? That was a

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big part of the movie was the
objects had so much nostalgia behind them and

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even you know the red lipstick and
it's uh, everything was attached to a

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memory. And I do think that
hoarding is so closely related to that that

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psyche and so uh you know,
as like you had to go through it

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and meant going through all of her
things. But with the spin of is

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my girlfriend acting like my mom because
she's actually finding these things before I do?

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Or is there a supernatural aspect as
to this idea of Bardo and when

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a soul is not ready to leave
earth because they have unfinished business. It's

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it's the puzzle story where you can
you can see it through to both both

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lenses. And that's what I love
how Lawrence wrote that script is that when

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you can watch something with one mindset
and then watch it again with another mindset,

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it's quite it's quite a fun puzzle. Lawrence denis Sally's who she's referring

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to, who developed Mother may I
with his partner Daisy Long, who by

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the way, as a former ballerina, and Holland Rowden plays of the fiancee

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of the main character, Emmett played
by Kyle Gahner, and they go back

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to his recently deceased mother's house to
clean it out and hopefully flip it quickly,

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something, by the way, that
never happens quickly. Yeah, I

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mean it's it's a it's a bit
of this hipster Brooklyn couple that she's pretty

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high up on the I want to
be a feminist mentality of I don't like

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to wear makeup, I don't like
to show my body, and his mother

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was the antithesis of that, being
a professional ballerine in the nineteen seventies in

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New York. And there's this idea
of what the what does the New York

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woman represent today versus back then?
And I love that this couple had completely

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different languages and how they communicate.
And a mushroom trip is what spawns this

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entire experiment. And when she wakes
up and starts acting like his mother in

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that Anya never cooked and Tracy did, and she's wearing this tight clothing and

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the red lipstick and Annie doesn't swim, and Tracy that was her main form

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of exercise after she retired from the
ballet. And so when you're not sure

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who is the bad guy in this
film, that's always a fun way to

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watch something where you think he's a
little short with her in the beginning and

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maybe she's the one that needs to
get out the relationship. But as the

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movie progresses, you go on,
I don't know, is she the one

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actually playing him? And you know, unconventional villains or something that I really

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enjoy, So you have to the
audience is constantly having to work through that

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mind game as well as the characters. Rodan. She plays the fiance Anya

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in the upcoming film Mother may I. You know her from CSI crime scene

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in many other roles, I see
that Daisy long Perform, who was a

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ballerina, actually choreographed the dancing scenes. Do you do some of those dancing

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scenes? Yeah? I did to
the dancing scenes. I've danced a little

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bit growing up, but nothing nothing
to Daisy's level. But we did dance

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rehearsals. We had a Buddhist guide
that came on, this woman named Katie,

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and had several sessions with her.
Lawrence and Daisy did as well as

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I, so did I, and
it was interesting to wh what I thought

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was going to be just a personal
session. I was prepping for this movie,

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and it kept bleeding into this idea
of Bardough and souls that feel unfinished

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and playing two characters in one movie, and uh, there's a there's a

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very spiritual aspect in addition to the
psychedelic one that was imprinted throughout the film

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because of her. I do believe
that too. By the way, Holland

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Roden's with us some other Mayi is
the name of the film. Uh yeah,

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I've had experience that make me feel
as though, Okay, that was

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a visitation from old so and so. Have you ever had anything like that?

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Oh? Absolutely, I do believe
in science personally. I mean,

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there's a lot we don't know about
the or very young species in this universe.

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Holland wrote in the name of the
movie mother may I. So is

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this more of a psycho thriller or
does it get kind of gritty? I

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think it's very quiet. It's very
and I think when someone's you know,

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they don't say anything, or they
give you the silent treatment. That's much

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scarier to me than someone blowing up
in someone's face. And so I love

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that the cicadas. Watch out for
cicadas. If you have a bug fear,

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that's gonna definitely get you. If
you have a needle fear, that's

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gonna get you. But it's it
definitely sneaks in the back door. It's

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it's psychological thriller in that you're you're
having to solve the puzzle with the characters.

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And you mentioned cicadas. Does this
take place in the Deep South,

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It doesn't, it takes it takes
place in upstate New York. Okay,

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that part was a cheap, but
we loved this idea that New York influenced

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both of these women pretty heavily on
you as well as Tracy in two different

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decades. And I loved the foliage
up there, and we talked about shooting

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in Tahoe and cheating it for New
York, and we just felt that would

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be really hard to do and it
would not create the same experience. Oh

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yeah, yeah, it seems like
when you make more trouble for yourself when

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you do that as a filmmate exactly. And the property that we were on

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was just a wealth of opportunity where
we found new places to shoot scenes that

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were in the kitchen, but now
we're going to be in you know,

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the makeshift patio furniture next to the
pottery studio that was on the first floor.

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That's where we would get our here
and makeup done, we got to

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add more pawn scenes and more we
got to shoot different kinds of pond scenes

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where we got to go to different
ponds and just create more of a rich

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background than if we had been stuck
at one pond or you know, had

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to only shoot you know this angle
shooting in a different place than New York

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where the ponds clean they were not. It was so much fun. They

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had a great time in indie filmmaking. They usually in big movies they'll line

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our TV shows, they line the
bottom of the pond, and this was

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not the case on this one.
But it was quite fun. It was

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really hot and there was no air
conditioning, so we were we were looking

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forward to the pond scene days.
You didn't have to go get a tetnas

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shot afterwards, did you. No. But although I'm from Los Angeles and

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don't experience ticks like the North does, and so this was this was a

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new dawn, a new day for
me. We definitely were very worried about

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ticks. The thriller is mother may
I holl Andro and Rodin is accent it

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along with her her co cohort Kyle
Gallner uh and it is out in theaters

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now. A thriller that is worth
seeing any Thank you for joining us,

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Thank you, thanks for listening to
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