1 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:20,559 What is kracklacin fellow thermonuclear a efforts. I am Dana Valley coming at you 2 00:00:20,679 --> 00:00:26,359 with my certified fantabular's co host, mister Grant Hughes. We are podcasting for 3 00:00:26,399 --> 00:00:33,880 the first time with regular season NBA basketball sample sizes in the bag, and 4 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:40,799 because we are an incredibly long two whole days into the regular season, it's 5 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,880 time for Grant and I to provide our overreactions to the start of the year. 6 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,439 You may have watched the third night of basketball by the time this happened, 7 00:00:47,439 --> 00:00:50,880 but there's only two games. 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But I'm in the bag for Alcline 31 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,919 Trio, so I'm not the best to judge of that. I actually thought 32 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,439 nine their second album. I guess they tepically did three because they released like 33 00:02:23,439 --> 00:02:28,759 a B sides of California. But I thought nine with matt' skiba was actually 34 00:02:28,759 --> 00:02:30,360 a really good album. I don't know if I still think I'm titled or 35 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:35,319 I love their new ones spoiler alert for anybody, but I thought it was 36 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,039 great. And everyone's like, when you read all the reviews on this album, 37 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,479 it's like after two throwaway albums with Matt ski But I'm like, I 38 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:45,759 really enjoyed, though, Sir, How dare you? How long would we 39 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:47,800 have to talk about this to lose our entire audience? Should we get into 40 00:02:47,879 --> 00:02:53,319 how Matt Skiba's songwriting is like clearly influences those albums in a positive way? 41 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:57,879 Should we look? We have an emo emo af channel in our Discord, 42 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,039 so if anyone wants to come talk about you know, rock, punk pop, 43 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:04,280 whatever, punk rock, I'm all for it. Yeah. Discord members 44 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:09,719 rank the Blank Win eighty two albums, divided into eras first and then sub 45 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:15,800 tiers within each ara. I'm doing well, uh, and actually you know 46 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:17,400 what I'm doing? The best I've ever done in my whole entire life. 47 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:23,240 And that's because we're overreacting so that I'm trying to stick with the conceit of 48 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:31,159 this episode. I told you this offline. I'm already like feeling anxiety because 49 00:03:31,319 --> 00:03:35,520 there were a million games on last night and I could not watch more than 50 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,719 one at a time, and I feel behind already. So that's like an 51 00:03:38,759 --> 00:03:43,479 emotional overreaction that I'm having to the season starting. I forget every year that 52 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,400 feeling. It's the first big Slate game of the year, and it had 53 00:03:46,439 --> 00:03:49,520 I mean, like and it crops up throughout the season, like you know 54 00:03:49,599 --> 00:03:53,879 that the night before Thanksgiving Slate like that's another one that always, you know, 55 00:03:53,919 --> 00:03:57,919 I devolve into descend into existential crisis. So yeah, I feel the 56 00:03:57,919 --> 00:04:00,319 same way right now. I bounced around, like I watched the two nationally 57 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:04,080 televised games just because like I wanted to see Nick Celtics. I wanted to 58 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:08,199 see Wemby against the MAVs. Spoiler alert, we didn't get see too much 59 00:04:08,199 --> 00:04:10,840 of Wemby until the fourth quarter because of foul trouble. And then I bounced 60 00:04:10,879 --> 00:04:13,280 around because knew we were doing this and you and I had a project, 61 00:04:13,599 --> 00:04:18,040 but it's that first I understand it's it's great and we're lucky to be able 62 00:04:18,079 --> 00:04:23,040 to cover it the way that we do. But I'm also just like flustered. 63 00:04:23,079 --> 00:04:26,079 That's the word. I'm flustered right now. That is that is correct. 64 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:32,920 We so we're gonna do some overreactions slash slightly unhinged takes slash predictions slash 65 00:04:33,079 --> 00:04:39,839 just kind of getting out in front of the season and basing some of our 66 00:04:39,879 --> 00:04:43,560 opinions on what we've seen so far in pre season and just kind of feelings 67 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,480 with thoughts and ideas we haven't really put out there quite yet. But how 68 00:04:46,519 --> 00:04:50,319 would you I always struggle with this, like we're you know, these are 69 00:04:50,399 --> 00:04:57,360 overreactions. We're saying at the outset that you know, these all of these 70 00:04:57,399 --> 00:05:02,439 ideas kind of fall somewhere between somewhere on the possible plausible likely spectrum, but 71 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:06,720 they're closer to the less, you know, the improbable end of that is 72 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:11,079 how I think of it, Like, it's probably, let's put it to 73 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,839 you over under fifty percent, you know, likelihood. When you're talking about 74 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,920 takes like we're gonna give today, it's under. It's about it's about pulling 75 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,319 the Jordan pool and taking enough shots that some of them will go in is 76 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:26,399 how you need to be. And it's stuff that you believe really could happen. 77 00:05:26,439 --> 00:05:29,120 It's not coming out here though the bucks you're gonna trade Giannis or some 78 00:05:29,199 --> 00:05:31,879 shit, which they now can't do. But it's you know, you have 79 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,480 to step out on a limb. They're overreactions, but we actually do believe 80 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:41,040 in their plausibility. Their likelihood is just different. I mean we should have 81 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:45,079 ascribed like confidence levels to each of these. Mine would have been you know, 82 00:05:45,079 --> 00:05:46,560 if we were to do on a scale of one to ten, they 83 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,240 all would have been below Most of them would probably be below five. Yeah 84 00:05:49,319 --> 00:05:54,680 yeah, oh yeah, no, I think that's right. But the upside 85 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,720 of all that is if you hit on any of them and hopefully well, 86 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,560 because no one will ever confront you with your wrong takes down the line, 87 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,959 there don't even I'm just this is the I for the first time in my 88 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:08,000 career, I predicted a title winner that I don't think anyone else was. 89 00:06:08,439 --> 00:06:12,519 Most people weren't in the nuggets, No one like circled back and like the 90 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,279 victory lap was. I didn't even take one. It was just so not 91 00:06:16,319 --> 00:06:20,120 fulfilled. It was unfulfilling. And when I'm wrong, and it could be 92 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,360 about the slightest, people will come back and be like, ah, like 93 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:25,879 you didn't think Jalen Brunt it was gonna be one of the you know, 94 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:29,360 the fifteen best players in the NBA last year would have turd and it's look, 95 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:30,680 that's fair game. I just wish it was the same way when you 96 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:34,920 were right about something. You know, that's not how it works, unfortunately. 97 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:39,839 So yeah, so just I guess we've we've preambled and tried to shield 98 00:06:39,879 --> 00:06:43,360 ourselves from criticism enough to this point. The first thing I was going to 99 00:06:43,399 --> 00:06:46,920 talk about, and it's kind of a newsy thing, it is because Steven 100 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,560 Adams is out for the season. We you and I what Yeah, I 101 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:54,279 know, right, a great overreaction by you. You're really we're nailing this, 102 00:06:54,519 --> 00:06:59,600 uh thematically right now? Out for the season. I guess, correct 103 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,160 me if I'm It seemed like they were trying to see, if you know, 104 00:07:02,399 --> 00:07:05,360 it's that old thing where let's see how rest and rehab does for this 105 00:07:05,439 --> 00:07:10,160 knee injury that cost him what, like you know, I was out in 106 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,639 like it was pretty deadline. Yeah, yeah, so he missed a ton 107 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,319 of time last year, did not have surgery and it just didn't respond, 108 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:20,480 I guess, And so now he's gonna have surgery. Whenever that happens. 109 00:07:20,519 --> 00:07:24,199 I always like, I get it, you don't want to have surgery on 110 00:07:24,279 --> 00:07:29,800 anything unless you absolutely must. But it always feels like it's always surprising to 111 00:07:29,839 --> 00:07:32,959 me that so this, this isn't an infrequent thing, right where we try 112 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,439 rest, we try like Lonzo Ball, I think, is another example, 113 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,800 just you know, more repetitive and more extreme. But you just like, 114 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,360 so now he's gone for the season, whereas if you'd had surgery when he 115 00:07:43,439 --> 00:07:46,600 originally you know, was missing time last year, maybe he comes back, 116 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:48,399 you know, a couple months in or whatever. But anyway, he's out 117 00:07:48,399 --> 00:07:51,279 for the season. And one of my unhinched takes is that, you know, 118 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:56,360 combined with John Moran missing twenty five games, I think Memphis could have 119 00:07:56,399 --> 00:08:01,680 a bottom ten offense and like the floor for them offensively is really low, 120 00:08:01,439 --> 00:08:05,720 and that might seem I guess it's qualifies as like an overreaction because you don't 121 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,560 think of Steven Adams as this critical offensive piece, but just like he's the 122 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:13,680 best offensive rebounder in the league. I guess Mitchell Robinson would have something to 123 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:20,040 say about that. But for a Memphis offense that lives on second chance opportunities 124 00:08:20,279 --> 00:08:24,720 and has generally like not a great half court offense, losing him as a 125 00:08:24,879 --> 00:08:28,120 second chance guy and as a screener is just, I mean, is huge. 126 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:33,679 And they they shot against the against the Pelicans in their opener forty one 127 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,159 percent from the field, just under twenty eight percent from three, had only 128 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:41,519 eight offensive boards. Like, I think you've got a pretty good picture of 129 00:08:41,639 --> 00:08:46,000 what you know might be in store this season in that game. So Memphis, 130 00:08:46,039 --> 00:08:48,840 I think is I think we both had them. Well, you went 131 00:08:48,879 --> 00:08:52,320 over for the first time ever on their window total. That should have been 132 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:56,519 the first harbinger of doom you did. This is what I'm saying, is 133 00:08:56,279 --> 00:09:01,519 this is your fault. Any thoughts on Adams or the or just you know, 134 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:03,960 that might almost be like not hot enough of an overreaction, just because 135 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,440 I think it's pretty clear how much Adams matters. I do think it states 136 00:09:07,519 --> 00:09:11,960 properly his importance to what they do, though, and now they're gonna be 137 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,360 Look, the offense was pretty good after the Luke Canard trade last year, 138 00:09:16,399 --> 00:09:20,320 and John Moran had missed some time with that, like following that deal as 139 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:24,440 well. I'm just I'm with you on the Jeff Stotts in street clothes on 140 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:28,879 Twitter. I believe said that with the injury that he had, you normally 141 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:33,799 do wait before going to surgery. It's just I find it bizarre that it 142 00:09:33,879 --> 00:09:39,679 took this long for them to understand that he would need surgery and wasn't just 143 00:09:39,799 --> 00:09:43,840 until you really simulated like closer to live game action or got to live game 144 00:09:43,879 --> 00:09:46,840 action that you weren't gonna know about, or did did discomfort did everything seem 145 00:09:46,879 --> 00:09:52,039 like it was going well and then this discomfort was sudden? I do think 146 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,519 knowing that this risk was there because you got to at least know this was 147 00:09:54,919 --> 00:10:00,639 a possibility. It surprised me a little bit that they, like weren't a 148 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,720 little bit more like Brandon Clark's already out, Like why were why didn't you 149 00:10:03,799 --> 00:10:07,799 try and bring in another big or at the very least, yes, he's 150 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,080 here right now. But it does increase the importance of a bunch of guys. 151 00:10:11,399 --> 00:10:16,039 Santi al Dama. People thought about Kenny Loft and I didn't watch any 152 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:20,840 of Pelican's Grizzlies aside from uh there was Herb Jones was running pick and roll. 153 00:10:20,039 --> 00:10:22,960 They were using their two non shooters and then having three shooters round pick 154 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,279 and roll, which made so much sense as I went and looked at that. 155 00:10:26,519 --> 00:10:31,159 However, uh, like Xavier Tillman is, why didn't you decline his 156 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:35,320 team option and get him at a good number moving forward because of how important, 157 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:39,080 like you don't know what Steven Adams is gonna look like after this injury. 158 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,720 You don't know what Brandon Clark's gonna look like after his injury, and 159 00:10:41,759 --> 00:10:45,639 so now you know that you need Exavier Tillman. And I think a lot 160 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,320 of people thought the move was curious. Then, given how flexible Memphis' books 161 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:52,799 still are, I'm even a little bit more surprised that that wasn't something that 162 00:10:52,879 --> 00:10:56,080 seemed like it was on the table for them, because this had to be 163 00:10:56,879 --> 00:11:01,200 a possibility in the Grizzlies' minds that Steven Adam maybe he didn't expect him to 164 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,720 miss the year, or maybe his your rehab and rest was going so well 165 00:11:03,799 --> 00:11:09,559 they didn't consider it. But just again based off what in Street closed, 166 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,200 like Jeff Stotts had said, yes, you go this route, the Grizzlies 167 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,559 didn't do anything wrong here, but that this can happen. Yeah, you 168 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:20,399 know what concerns me as much as anything about this is, like I think 169 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:22,399 Desmond, we love Desmond Bain. We're both confident that he's gonna have a 170 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:26,639 great year, but a lot of that was based on the idea that, 171 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:28,399 like, he can do more. Right he showed last year he's not a 172 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,159 spot up guy, or not just a spot up guy. He can do 173 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,879 a bunch of stuff on the ball, so you know, he can make 174 00:11:33,919 --> 00:11:37,000 up for Moran's absence, and then you know you've got Marcus Smart. But 175 00:11:37,039 --> 00:11:41,919 now it's like, now Bain just has to do more on top of more 176 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:46,360 and the likelihood of Marcus Smart having to you know, kind of one of 177 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:50,080 the problems with Marcus Smart is he will just take hero shots sometimes and the 178 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,720 Celtics bristled at that, I think, and now maybe he's kind of gonna 179 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,519 look at this as I also I Marcus Smart also have to do more, 180 00:11:56,559 --> 00:12:01,600 and that's typically not great on offense. So it just like it just strains 181 00:12:01,639 --> 00:12:05,480 everybody, you know a little bit more, especially with Moran out and no 182 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:09,000 Tyas Jones anymore. And yeah, it's just it's you know, Memphis was 183 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,440 nineteenth in effective field goal percentage last year. I think that should be viewed 184 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:16,480 now as like about where their offense will be if things go right. You 185 00:12:16,519 --> 00:12:20,200 know, it's like I think that is there. That's but how come he 186 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:24,360 bounces around so much? And how come he know even him take enough? 187 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,600 He eventually he'll come in, he'll take the amount of threes that you want, 188 00:12:26,639 --> 00:12:28,639 and then he'll stop and like, well, Luke Canard, what do 189 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,960 we like? What? Whil to your ear? Another example of like, 190 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,120 now Luke Canard matters, probably a little more than Luke Canard should matter. 191 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:39,399 And and maybe you know it just you know, I don't feel like this 192 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,000 is a super hot take, but but yeah, well here is an offense 193 00:12:41,039 --> 00:12:45,960 for the Grizzlies. Feels like I don't I can't remember who in our discord. 194 00:12:46,399 --> 00:12:48,960 By the way, joined our discord because you get to see conversations like 195 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:52,279 this someone proposed and I found it interesting and maybe this is the hot take. 196 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,919 If you're Memphis, would you move picks and salary right now to get 197 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,639 Robert Williams the third? I mean, he's got to be gettable, right, 198 00:12:58,799 --> 00:13:05,120 like DeAndre eight not a team without any proven table setters. Is quite 199 00:13:05,159 --> 00:13:09,360 the experience. So that's true. There's there is It's not even a non 200 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:15,639 zero chance there's a distinct, maybe bonus hot take that interlopes with this grisly 201 00:13:15,759 --> 00:13:20,120 thing. Robert Williams the third is more likely to be the long term big 202 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:24,159 in Portland than DeAndre Well, I don't trust anything long term about Like long 203 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:28,600 term for Robert Williams is playing ten games in a row without missing time. 204 00:13:28,799 --> 00:13:31,879 So I don't I don't know. I mean, I I don't know why 205 00:13:31,919 --> 00:13:35,759 I feel this way, but I'm I'm sort of and maybe we can. 206 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:39,840 I don't want to hijack this thing and go with my Portland thoughts, but 207 00:13:41,279 --> 00:13:45,559 I kind of like, I get that DeAndre Aden is super frustrating and kind 208 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,600 of viewed as someone that just is not quite serious enough about the whole basketball 209 00:13:48,639 --> 00:13:52,519 thing to really be reliable. But I kind of like him as a change 210 00:13:52,519 --> 00:13:54,240 of scenery all star type, you know, it's it's there's not a lot 211 00:13:54,279 --> 00:13:58,120 of thoughtful analysis going into that, but like not actual not an actual All 212 00:13:58,159 --> 00:14:01,720 Star. I want to make that clear. But I think he will. 213 00:14:01,799 --> 00:14:05,759 I think he could be better, just just because he's in a different place 214 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:07,639 and if he's not then we know all we need to know about DeAndre Ayton, 215 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,799 and like we can stop waiting for him to deliver on his promise. 216 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:16,559 But I just I want to be I'm gonna believe that deandret and can can 217 00:14:16,639 --> 00:14:22,039 improve until he shows me that that's not gonna happen. I don't want to 218 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:26,039 be too hard on him because there's in the back of my mind and I 219 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:30,759 love CP three is just like what he does in the basketball court, but 220 00:14:30,919 --> 00:14:35,600 just the idea that could he have actually potentially broke DeAndre Ayton and the Blazer 221 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:39,000 are trying to piece him back together, and I want to weigh that seriously. 222 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:43,360 At the same time, there were also issues with Monty Williams. It 223 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,879 doesn't really seem like he was on the same page with a Devin Booker either, 224 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,919 and who was what was his relationship like with Frank Vogel. Maybe it 225 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:56,600 just deteriorated so much with that organization. Robert Williams right now, and I 226 00:14:56,759 --> 00:15:01,279 know people maybe for a season when the Sun's made the finals, like Deanders 227 00:15:01,399 --> 00:15:05,240 maybe been better than Robert Williams the third once in some he has availability has 228 00:15:05,279 --> 00:15:09,279 been better. That is the what other than availability, which is a skill 229 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:15,519 so it counts. I'm not dismissing it. What does DeAndre Ayton do better 230 00:15:16,279 --> 00:15:18,720 than Robert Williams the Third? And no, you can't say turn around, 231 00:15:20,039 --> 00:15:22,320 fadeaways and transition then I don't have one. Uh No, I think I 232 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:26,279 think, yeah, yeah, right, finding a way to shoot an eight 233 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:31,039 footer uh in a one on one against a guard on the run. Uh, 234 00:15:31,399 --> 00:15:33,919 I would say Aiden. I think Aiden's offensive package is like just deeper, 235 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,639 like you could face him up at the elbow and he could do something 236 00:15:37,639 --> 00:15:39,840 there. And I think he actually can make a jumper, you know, 237 00:15:39,919 --> 00:15:43,399 not out to any significant depth. But no, I take your point. 238 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,759 Like Williams, he's a piece of a winning team. Williams kind of fits 239 00:15:46,919 --> 00:15:50,000 in a way that makes a lot more sense than a center that you need 240 00:15:50,039 --> 00:15:52,480 to give the ball to that refuses to dunk and won't get fouled despite having 241 00:15:52,519 --> 00:15:54,840 a more limited offensive package. I think the other thing you could say about 242 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:58,879 it is maybe he's the better stand still passer. Like if you need Robert 243 00:15:58,919 --> 00:16:00,559 Williams the Third to make a dis decision on the move, I would trust 244 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:04,840 him more. But I think Ayton can find holes when he's surveying. But 245 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:07,879 like do you want eight, Like, what does your offense look like if 246 00:16:07,879 --> 00:16:11,720 eight and is surveying the defense or an extended period of time? Yeah, 247 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:15,080 I don't like it. So yeah, I'm still hopeful for Aighton. But 248 00:16:15,799 --> 00:16:19,240 when we're talking, so if you're the Grizzlies, though, you're like, 249 00:16:19,279 --> 00:16:22,799 if it was two first, still they're protected. Whatever, I'd do it. 250 00:16:23,039 --> 00:16:26,320 I mean, could you imagine time Lord and Jared Jackson Junior in the 251 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:33,360 same front court and not huge but whatever? Really could play those two together 252 00:16:33,559 --> 00:16:37,600 without much of an issue too, because I mean that would be interesting, 253 00:16:37,639 --> 00:16:41,639 because which could you reprise like some of the Celtics stuff where they just stuck 254 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:45,720 him on a shooter in the corner for RW three and like he's swooping in 255 00:16:45,799 --> 00:16:48,919 and Jackson's your primary pick and roll guy, or do you reverse that? 256 00:16:48,159 --> 00:16:52,559 Or I mean the help the help side shop blocking on that team would be 257 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,320 unbelievable, and Jackson's spacing on offense makes it. You know that fits fine. 258 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,799 If you can play Jackson and Steven Adams together, you can sure us 259 00:16:59,799 --> 00:17:03,639 help Williams and Jackson's Again, the problem is is not neither of them have 260 00:17:03,679 --> 00:17:06,160 ever averaged even thirty minutes a game for their career and so well, you 261 00:17:06,319 --> 00:17:08,319 know, how many minutes do you actually get? And then there's the availability 262 00:17:08,319 --> 00:17:12,240 stuff for both. But I think Memphis' timeline is urgent enough. I don't 263 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,839 think they would make this deal because they're gonna want to see what what are 264 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,920 we? John Morant comes back? How does this sort of work out? 265 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:25,039 I would absolutely make a Robert Williams trade if I could, if I'm just 266 00:17:25,039 --> 00:17:27,440 just to put like a bow on it. If I gave you the who 267 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:33,720 says no for two firsts for Robert Williams and salary or whatever. Who is 268 00:17:33,759 --> 00:17:37,599 not doing that deal? Is it Memphis and they're Memphis first? At this 269 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:45,319 point? Honestly, it's not bad. No. I think it's probably Portland, 270 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,759 because I'm going on if they were, if you told me that they're 271 00:17:48,559 --> 00:17:51,160 you know, the first, if it's you know, lottery, the first 272 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,279 one's lottery protected and the other ones like kind of loosely protected, I might 273 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:59,079 say that Memphis says no just because their future feels a little bit rickety a 274 00:17:59,079 --> 00:18:03,799 little right little, which is weird because you have jaw and Jaron Jackson Junior 275 00:18:03,799 --> 00:18:06,720 and Desmond Main they're not and yeah, at the end, those guys aren't 276 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:10,200 going anywhere. So even if you're concerned about their offense, what is Marcus 277 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:15,480 smart Age Like, I think it's probably Portland. Yeah, that doesn't know. 278 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,720 But the fact that it's hard to figure that out quickly is it's like 279 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:22,319 that's a there's a there's a framework there that makes some sense. Did you 280 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:23,880 say you had another Portland take that you wanted to get on. I just 281 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,720 I just thought, and this looks way worse now after their debut, which 282 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,759 is like, oh, this is another thing. I don't think we should 283 00:18:30,799 --> 00:18:33,839 have just almost any of our priors based on each team's first game or two. 284 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:40,559 Like I found myself watching podcast this. I know, I just broke 285 00:18:40,799 --> 00:18:44,720 broke the rule of we're gonna totally embrace these takes. But I but this 286 00:18:44,799 --> 00:18:48,200 is no to that end. As I'm watching these games last night, I'm 287 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,119 thinking like, oh, well, this take is wrong clearly, like the 288 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:52,799 Bulls aren't going to be five hundred look at this mess, you know. 289 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,799 Uh, but that's we can't do that yet except for right now in the 290 00:18:56,839 --> 00:19:00,440 next like forty five minutes or so, which in which we will I just 291 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,200 thought on Portland, like there was a if you just go down the line 292 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:10,400 and say, Scoot Henderson is supposed to be and believed to be by many 293 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:14,200 people that are smart about basketball. You know, pick the guy the best 294 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:18,119 point guard prospects since you know, if you really want to get nuts about 295 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:22,160 it, Chris Paul or just like Scoot is regarded by many as he's going 296 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:26,839 to be like a guy like a legit make tons of All Star games, 297 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:30,559 be a phenomenal floor general for like fifteen years whatever. If you think that's 298 00:19:30,599 --> 00:19:33,680 true, then maybe he's like a break even rookie, which is a rare 299 00:19:33,759 --> 00:19:37,079 thing. And then maybe Anthony Simon's levels up. And then maybe Shaden Sharp 300 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:41,000 gets you twenty off the bench and keeps taking steps, and then Jeremy Grant 301 00:19:41,039 --> 00:19:45,240 is overpaid, but he's okay. Butte Seybalken guard eighton might be a change 302 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,839 of scenery All Star. Like I already said, you know, you've got 303 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,640 Robert Williams behind him. There's like a seven man rotation here. That's not 304 00:19:51,839 --> 00:19:56,799 awful. If you believe that Scoot can be capable as a rookie, which 305 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:00,720 his first game did not indicate that, but years old, like what do 306 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:04,279 you want? So I was just kind of zagging on. Oh, Portland 307 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:08,400 is awful, and the idea was that Portland may have to deliberately tank late 308 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,839 for the third straight year because they'll kind of Utah jazz it and be you 309 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:17,119 know, semi respectable for a little too long. That's that's all I was 310 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:21,480 getting into with Portland is that, like, there's definitely a scenario where they 311 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,640 have to shut it down, and they're more than comfortable doing that because they've 312 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:30,599 done it before. Whereas I think the conventional wisdom on the Blazers is they're 313 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,200 just gonna start out looking like a twenty win team and stay that way the 314 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:37,759 whole year. Based off how this podcast is going, I'm thinking that we 315 00:20:37,759 --> 00:20:41,279 should keep going with the West and maybe I'll split it into East. West 316 00:20:41,519 --> 00:20:44,079 is the best like podcast, So I'm gonna stick with the West, and 317 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,319 I know we both this is gonna be I think a joint one because we 318 00:20:47,319 --> 00:20:49,240 probably have. I don't think any of them should be scintillating. I'm trying 319 00:20:49,279 --> 00:20:55,759 to think my most scintillating Denver Nuggets take right now, and I'm gonna say 320 00:20:55,759 --> 00:21:02,039 this, Michael Porter Junior probably won't but should end up on the Most Improved 321 00:21:02,039 --> 00:21:07,480 Player ballot. This the first game I know you watched the shot was not 322 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,759 like it just wasn't there for him. Do you know what he did? 323 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:15,119 He fucking killed it anyway, because he wasn't playing outside of the offense his 324 00:21:15,599 --> 00:21:21,720 he was fighting on the glass. His defense for the most part was I'm 325 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,680 overreaction, immaculate, And yes there was a there was a moment where I 326 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,880 thought it was by design because Austin Reeves got by him so easily, but 327 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,839 Jokic had had an early foul already and it was just, well, what 328 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,960 is kind of doing there? There were some breakdowns this dude is defending, 329 00:21:36,039 --> 00:21:37,359 like the amount of time he was spending, like kind of switched down the 330 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:41,039 perimeter to Austin Reeves and like Austin Reeves is not getting by him. The 331 00:21:41,079 --> 00:21:45,160 efforts we've kind of seen from him as a help as a helper or just 332 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,720 the floor awareness where even if you're not seeing him kind of rotate over as 333 00:21:48,759 --> 00:21:52,599 the low man a bunch because the Lakers aren't getting to the basket enough. 334 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:57,359 Outside of like those Lebron James layup lines at points like he was super duper 335 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:03,720 impactful, I think think in a very good way, despite not having one 336 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,759 of his better offensive games. And this is someone where I'm not trying to 337 00:22:07,799 --> 00:22:11,880 single out like there's look at DeAndrea and look at Jordan Poole. There's been 338 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:15,799 a bunch of questions about their roles and how they're earlier in their careers, 339 00:22:15,839 --> 00:22:18,960 they were playing for contenders at one point spoiler alert, they're not anymore. 340 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:23,200 Uh, Could they put aside with their individual aspirations were to fit into the 341 00:22:23,279 --> 00:22:26,759 larger context? And I think it became clear no, And the assumption was 342 00:22:26,799 --> 00:22:30,079 no, they'll be fine. They got paid, It'll be okay. You 343 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,519 know what, Michael Porter Junior got paid. He went out and won a 344 00:22:32,559 --> 00:22:36,720 title, and he is doing what they have not like in other players. 345 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,079 It's not just I don't mean to single out them, but those are two 346 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:42,079 of the more recent examples. This is someone who's just fitting into the larger 347 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:48,519 context of the best team in the NBA, perhaps really them and the Celtics. 348 00:22:48,519 --> 00:22:51,440 And that would be the overreaction. They're only two great teams in the 349 00:22:51,519 --> 00:22:55,440 NBA, and it's the Nuggets are one. They're not, they're not two, 350 00:22:55,559 --> 00:22:57,480 but and it'd be Boston because they're terrifying. But we'll get to the 351 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:03,319 East at some point. So I his offense, He'll never get in this 352 00:23:03,559 --> 00:23:07,079 on this team, this iteration of the Nuggets. He will never have the 353 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:11,559 agency necessary to make the Oh look at everything that Shay Gilgess Alexander did. 354 00:23:11,559 --> 00:23:15,880 I don't think MPJ has that vision. But his role is not going to 355 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,160 materially change a bunch. They're probably never They're never gonna have him just run 356 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,759 bench units on his own, even but because of how far he has come 357 00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:27,319 as a defender, and just as someone who understands his role finds ways to 358 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:33,240 contribute within it even when his shot isn't falling, and that Calvin Booth said 359 00:23:33,799 --> 00:23:36,440 that he was one of the best shooters in the league, and that part 360 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,319 of the reason that they got rid of Bones Highland is because of just the 361 00:23:38,319 --> 00:23:44,559 the offense. First, I'll put it kindly overlap of Bones and MPJ. 362 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,680 MPJ is not that guy anymore. He wasn't for much of last season. 363 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,680 He certainly wasn't in the playoffs. And so maybe this isn't an incendiary take. 364 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,559 That's why I'm framing it in the sense of, you know, getting 365 00:23:55,599 --> 00:23:57,240 on the top ten of the most Improved Player ballot is hard. If we 366 00:23:57,279 --> 00:24:02,640 go and look at uh who finished top ten just last year alone, and 367 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,759 there was another player I was going to talk about with regards to this way, 368 00:24:04,759 --> 00:24:08,720 I do have them sort of pulled up here, but like it was 369 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:14,559 Larry markin and wins Shake Gill just Alexander I believe was two, and then 370 00:24:14,599 --> 00:24:17,759 you had Jalen Brunton at three, Mcal at four, Nick Clackson at five, 371 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:22,160 Tyresee at six, Trey Murphy att seven, Diaron Fox and Kavonloney were 372 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,400 tied at eighth. Shout out Kavan Looney, and then Austin Reeves at ten. 373 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,920 Like, that's not an easy list getting one third played vote, third 374 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,880 place vote, and this is hard. I don't you know what I'm gonna 375 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,200 say it. He will get votes for most improved Player. He will finish 376 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:38,279 in the top ten, and it's not it won't have anything to do with 377 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,160 just what he's doing on offense most likely. I like that take a lot. 378 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,720 I think it's interesting that Denver sort of has a weird like perfect storm 379 00:24:45,759 --> 00:24:52,440 brewing developmentally, because I think you're right if MPJ is someone that does not 380 00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:55,839 need to go. You know, seven of twelve from the field and like 381 00:24:55,920 --> 00:25:00,200 four of six from three to impact the game. That's that's massive because because 382 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,920 he's doing all the other stuff that he really didn't do early in his career, 383 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,599 and there have always been concerns that he just won't do that stuff. 384 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,200 So if if he can do if he can play that way. And then 385 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:12,160 on the other side, you have Peyton Watson and Christian Brown that do all 386 00:25:12,319 --> 00:25:17,160 the stuff that Denver wants MPG to do. They just need to be able 387 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,559 to make shots. If if you know, if two of two of the 388 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:25,400 three, say, you know, do develop the skill or the mindset. 389 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,920 I guess in an mpg's case that you need to impact a game when your 390 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:33,200 best stuff like isn't working or it's It's not a perfect analogy because in theory, 391 00:25:33,279 --> 00:25:37,240 Watson and Brown should their defense should be consistent and their effort should be 392 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,880 consistent. But like if you get a couple of those three, you know, 393 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:45,599 developing their weaker skills, then it's like no one's gonna I mean sorry, 394 00:25:45,599 --> 00:25:47,880 but like no one's gonna miss Bruce Brown and Jeff Green. Like we 395 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:52,400 spent a lot of time over Okay, yeah, Kelvin Booth, I just 396 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,359 had a conversation with him and he told me that I should mention that that 397 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,559 we we don't Peyton Watson is going to be an All NBA player. No, 398 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,640 I think that's a good, good point, And my nuggets thought is 399 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:08,160 that it's it's even less you know, overreacting than that is just I think 400 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,519 Jamal Murray is just Jamal Murray's never been an All Star. Jamal Murray did 401 00:26:11,559 --> 00:26:15,400 not get a single All NBA vote last year. Like, I think he's 402 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,160 gonna be an All NBA player this year, and that's just you know, 403 00:26:18,599 --> 00:26:22,319 the trajectory, while interrupted by the injury, the ACL injury, is just 404 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:27,839 like it's so clear to me that he's perfectly set up to just have a 405 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:33,880 monster year like Jokic. You know, my I don't know how Yokic can 406 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,119 be like ineffective. It's kind of not possible, but he might just chill 407 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:41,400 and like facilitate a little more. The playoff numbers for Murray are always just 408 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,720 absurd, and if he can just be like close to that level during the 409 00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:48,079 year, then he's an All NBA player basically, just he doesn't have to 410 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:52,039 do anything else. And being a couple of years removed from the injury, 411 00:26:52,079 --> 00:26:56,039 now there's just it just feels like he's been like kind of close, and 412 00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:00,079 I always thought of him Devin Booker and Donovan Mitchell like elopmentally is kind of 413 00:27:00,599 --> 00:27:06,200 linked. And then you know, Booker to a great extent left that crew 414 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,160 behind, and then Mitchell last year, you know, kind of almost got 415 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,079 there, and Murray was just kind of not It's kind of you know, 416 00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:15,880 not in their dust, but not on that level. I think at the 417 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,200 end of this year, I think we probably look at Murray as you know, 418 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,480 at least from a national perspective, as like right there with Mitchell and 419 00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:27,000 maybe better and more complete because of his playoff resume, and certainly he won't 420 00:27:27,039 --> 00:27:30,559 be like he won't we won't think of him as someone that just you know, 421 00:27:32,039 --> 00:27:34,200 got surpassed by those two other guys if you thought of them as like 422 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,599 a package deal at one point when they were younger, Yeah, I would 423 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,079 agree with most of that, aside from a Koliokic chillin. He just casually 424 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,960 dropped the triple double. That's the thing. He doesn't. There's no like 425 00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:48,759 he can't have a bad game. Basically, he look my first thought was 426 00:27:48,319 --> 00:27:53,599 the reason that they gave Reggie Jackson another contract is because they knew that kolok 427 00:27:53,799 --> 00:27:56,839 was going to get him paid anyway, and that he was going to decline 428 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,519 his player option and have to sign a bigger deal next year. So yeah, 429 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,519 I saw some weird Jamal Murray this course that oh if he didn't have 430 00:28:03,599 --> 00:28:07,279 Jokic his game. I can't even remember what the comp was like. I 431 00:28:07,319 --> 00:28:10,519 don't know if it was like Jordan Poole. Basically, it's just not true. 432 00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:12,160 And you want to see some of the non Yolkic minutes stabilized, and 433 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:17,319 we saw points of that, like Denver's bench during the first like Calvin Booth. 434 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,000 Definitely, I was like, I know, this is a family podcast. 435 00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:22,920 We definitely took some tissues in a bottle of lotion during like part of 436 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,960 that first quarter during those bench units. Is this a family podcast? We 437 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,960 were asked. I was asked to curse less, which is the genesis of 438 00:28:30,039 --> 00:28:34,279 thermonuclear af so, but yeah, oh it's a family part that was family 439 00:28:34,319 --> 00:28:38,680 friendly. His hands were dry, which I guess would be not family friend 440 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,920 anyway. So this is like All Star l NBA. I think he gets 441 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,359 more consideration there. And by the way, I did not look at this, 442 00:28:45,359 --> 00:28:48,359 which is the reason I'm circling back. Michael Porter Junior had the second 443 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:55,079 highest plus minus in that Lakers game of aunt and he was a plus He 444 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,759 was a plus twelve, and Yokic surprise applies was a plus fifteen. Reggie 445 00:28:57,839 --> 00:29:02,279 Jackson was a plus eleven, like I said, and contagious Call of Pope 446 00:29:02,319 --> 00:29:04,039 plus ten. I know Murray was only a plus three, but part of 447 00:29:04,079 --> 00:29:07,240 that's some of the bench units that he was running with at points, maybe 448 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,839 a little bit of too much time overlap with uh, maybe Zeke Nagy on 449 00:29:11,839 --> 00:29:17,000 the court without Jokich. So I'm just yeah, I'm I'm we were all 450 00:29:17,039 --> 00:29:18,880 in on the Nuggets. I'm even more all in after watching them there there's 451 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,079 gonna be adventures on the bench. But this is just this is the team 452 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,359 Actually Yoku dopped questions. This is the team of the league with the least 453 00:29:26,359 --> 00:29:30,240 amount of questions totally, and which is wild to say because of how reliant 454 00:29:30,279 --> 00:29:33,279 it's. Well, there's Zeke Nagy and Peyton Watson, Like, those are 455 00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:36,279 two guys that need to play, and Reggie Jackson needs to play. She's 456 00:29:36,319 --> 00:29:37,720 like, yeah, whatever, their top six is what it is, and 457 00:29:37,759 --> 00:29:42,000 they're they're really fucking good. Stop cursing, Dan, It's a family Popcort, 458 00:29:42,519 --> 00:29:45,920 So, uh, I got a I got another West one. I 459 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,839 don't know if I have a strong enough feelings on all the West teams to 460 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,359 hit all of them. But this is one we talked about this before we 461 00:29:52,359 --> 00:29:59,519 started recording. It's if you're in like the Warriors social media sphere or they're 462 00:29:59,559 --> 00:30:02,680 your team, like, sorry, this will not be is not is not 463 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:07,279 going to knock your socks off, but maybe for a national audience, this 464 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,960 will come as a surprise. I think, and and by the way, 465 00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:15,160 I thought about this and had this ready to go before the Warriors first game. 466 00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:18,720 I think Jonathan Kaminga is gonna close over Klay Thompson or Andrew Wiggins like 467 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:26,200 a lot. That is bisy. You think Andrew Wiggins being looped into that. 468 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,240 I know he was bad to open. It's it's what happened in game 469 00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:33,920 one. And like, so here's we could really could I well, actually 470 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,440 know my follow up question will have to come after please go ipond. I 471 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,519 was gonna say this is a tangent already, but we could really have an 472 00:30:41,519 --> 00:30:45,279 Andrew Wiggins discussion and kind of talk about how like everything anyone's ever thought about 473 00:30:45,319 --> 00:30:48,240 him is actually true. At the same time, which is to say he's 474 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,960 immensely talented. He can be, you know, arguably the second most important 475 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,200 player in a final series. And also he can just disappear and just not 476 00:30:56,319 --> 00:31:00,359 affect games for like weeks at a time like this is a which is the 477 00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:03,279 criticism of him. I think for a lot of his Minnesota tenure is he 478 00:31:03,359 --> 00:31:07,000 sometimes it's just like he's just not there, and he was just not there, 479 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:12,559 yeah, in the opening game for the Warriors. And combine that, 480 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,359 like Wiggins is gonna float in and out, you know, all year. 481 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,640 That's just kind of what his deal is. And hopefully he'll be totally engaged 482 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,119 and impactful in the playoffs for the Warriors. And Klay Thompson, Like Dan, 483 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:29,519 we got to talk about Clay Thompson, he just and like, look, 484 00:31:29,519 --> 00:31:30,680 you have two injuries like that, this is gonna happen. And you 485 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,240 get to the stage of your career that he's at, this is gonna happen. 486 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,119 His mobility is so compromised that like the defensive stuff we've you know, 487 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,920 has been pretty obvious. Like he's not the guy that you put on Tony 488 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:47,559 Parker anymore like he was as a young player. Now he's gonna guard fours, 489 00:31:47,559 --> 00:31:51,279 It's fine, Okay, Well, he's not a good rebounder. And 490 00:31:51,839 --> 00:31:53,440 on offense, this is the thing no one seems to be talking about. 491 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,519 Like his shot selection got shit on like all year last year because he was 492 00:31:57,559 --> 00:32:01,000 just heat checking and taking tough ones off the dribble and stuff. I think 493 00:32:01,039 --> 00:32:04,559 the reason he has to do that is because he doesn't move well enough to 494 00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:07,039 get open off the ball like he used to, and so the really clean 495 00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:10,680 looks that he used to get just there are fewer of those, and so 496 00:32:12,319 --> 00:32:15,079 I think a lot of his shots will continue to be difficult shots, and 497 00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:17,480 I think he's gonna continue. He did a good job in the opener against 498 00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:21,960 Phoenix of not forcing too many. But I think Thompson, like if he's 499 00:32:22,039 --> 00:32:24,759 not hot, like you know, normal Clay, old school Klay Thompson, 500 00:32:24,839 --> 00:32:30,799 like you everyone's freaking out if he touches the ball because it's probably going up 501 00:32:30,839 --> 00:32:32,599 and it's probably going in. If he's not gonna have that kind of night, 502 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,200 I think Kaminga gives you more in almost every other regard than he does, 503 00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:40,559 especially if Kaminga is gonna make an open three and have to be guarded 504 00:32:40,599 --> 00:32:44,839 out there, because he's a better rebounder, He's a way better defender. 505 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,839 I mean, you know, I don't we can have a discussion about who's 506 00:32:47,839 --> 00:32:51,519 a better passer. I don't think that's a huge part of either of those 507 00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:54,480 guys games. But most nights, I think either Wiggins or Thompson is going 508 00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:59,400 to be not giving you the stuff that Kaminga can give you. Certainly, 509 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,279 like athletic, he's there with Wiggins. He's above Wiggins athletically, which is 510 00:33:02,319 --> 00:33:07,640 crazy. As an on ball defender, he can be as good, certainly's 511 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:12,839 better than Thompson, So I think, and I just think Kaminga is someone 512 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,839 that is going to be in the closing lineup way more than people anticipated. 513 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:22,079 And I think that includes being over Chris Paul sometimes, and maybe that's over 514 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:27,720 Kavon Looney sometimes. I just think that this is the year that Kaminga and 515 00:33:27,759 --> 00:33:30,160 I've probably been way early on this. I don't know, probably since like 516 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,200 the second age I drafted and I saw a Summer League minute from the moment 517 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,799 he came out of the wom that guy, he's Paul George, but more 518 00:33:37,799 --> 00:33:42,240 athletic. I think Kaminga is going to close tons of games for the Warriors, 519 00:33:42,279 --> 00:33:45,799 and it's going to be kind of like tricky to navigate that because he's 520 00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:47,920 going to be playing over a guy that is making forty million and a guy 521 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:52,960 that was huge in the finals a couple of years ago. But I have 522 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,759 one thought and two questions. My one thought, and is mostly in agreement 523 00:33:55,759 --> 00:34:00,440 with you, that if you did sub out Clay for Kaminga, even with 524 00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:05,359 Kaminga's if he rebounding, he has a ceiling as a rebounder, whereas like 525 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,719 Clay, the ceiling is the basement basically for him there. And I'm wondering 526 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:13,400 if that's just a way of We talked about how small the Warriors might be. 527 00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:15,440 We talk about how Chris Paul could tactually be a necessity if you want 528 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,480 to kind of manage the game, and they didn't commit a ton of turnovers 529 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,639 for most of that first game of the season. I think Steve curR even 530 00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:25,440 mentioned him in one of his sideline interviews, So that would be an interesting 531 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:30,000 way to I mean, just politically diplomatically. Benching Clay Thompson is huge, 532 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:34,679 and all that money on the bench is a big deal, but like that 533 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,039 could be one way to kind of combat some of the Warrior's size defficiencies while 534 00:34:37,079 --> 00:34:40,840 getting to the lineups where it would have to be I think you're not playing 535 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,480 comingo with Raymond Green and Looney, so then Loony's on the bench as well. 536 00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:49,559 But having him and Draymond like you're you're you're a little like Comina is 537 00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:52,239 not massive, but you're just bigger. And so then does that allow you 538 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,280 to play CP three in closing lineups more comfortably? So I guess that's one. 539 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,840 Is that that that would be I have three questions. Then do you 540 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,440 agree with that is the one that he could play over Loony? No, 541 00:35:02,639 --> 00:35:06,480 that it would be a way of including him as kind of a way to 542 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:12,559 say, we're we're battling against our size deficiencies in a way that allows CP 543 00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:17,480 three to play, But it doesn't. It's still it doesn't crimp our offense 544 00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:22,880 as much as necessarily. Like even Looney's not unversatile, it's not a word. 545 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,840 He's not super limited on offense, but he is. Yeah, yeah, 546 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,199 no, I think that's right. I think I So my answer is, 547 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,159 yeah, I think I think that is the case. And like, 548 00:35:30,199 --> 00:35:31,880 look, you know, if you want to go all the way back, 549 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:37,480 like how much different like Kaminga is like the original death lineup involved Harrison Barnes, 550 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:42,320 and like Kaminga is a better athlete than even young Harrison Barnes was, 551 00:35:42,559 --> 00:35:45,360 and he's a better rebounder, and he's a better on ball defender, and 552 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,679 like as a three point shooter. If he's gonna settle in where he's kind 553 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,159 of been at, like he's not thirty seven percent last year, if that 554 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,239 volume goes up and he stays at thirty five thirty six, you're gonna have 555 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:58,320 to guard him. And that's not that far off what Harrison Barnes used to 556 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,639 do. Now the guys around that spot in the rotation are diminished, like 557 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:06,480 we're not talking about twenty fourteen Steph Curry and Clay Thompson and Draymond, but 558 00:36:06,559 --> 00:36:12,280 like there's proof of concept I think for him being in that spot. So 559 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:16,440 yeah, I think I think that is a justification right now. Then what 560 00:36:16,519 --> 00:36:22,119 will end up being the Warriors most used closing lineup this year? That's I 561 00:36:22,159 --> 00:36:29,440 think their most used closing lineup will be last year's starting lineup, which is 562 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,880 the Steph Clay Wiggers. No not, I don't think Kaminga will be their 563 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,760 most used closing lineup. But I do think, ah, that's tough because 564 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:44,960 I gotta I don't want to get too nuts about it. I do I 565 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,159 have to put him in there. See, I can't do it because I 566 00:36:46,159 --> 00:36:50,800 think I'm not keep your legit like this doesn't have to be the overreactive answer, 567 00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:57,159 given we've got your overreaction. Yeah, Legitimately. I think it's just 568 00:36:57,199 --> 00:37:00,119 hard because I think he'll close over Clay. Sometimes, he'll close over Wiggins 569 00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:06,079 sometimes just depending on how stuff's going. So I guess if you said will 570 00:37:06,119 --> 00:37:13,599 cominga close forty? Who who these four players rank? How many crunch time? 571 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,239 I mean maybe Draymond, No, Draymond is Draymond and Staph for the 572 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:22,599 locks right now? Okay? These four players maybe okay five players? Rank 573 00:37:22,679 --> 00:37:30,639 them in terms of minutes logged in the clutch dition CP three, Clay Thompson, 574 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:37,840 Andrew Wiggins, Kevon Looney. Okay, I would say I gotta clip 575 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,239 this, I'm god, because I think it's like a pretty close to an 576 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:45,760 even split. I will say I think Chris Paul should should probably not close 577 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:52,440 if you can avoid it, But I'll say I'll just go with Clay won 578 00:37:53,039 --> 00:37:59,360 KMINGA two tied with Wiggins, Can I do ties? No? No, 579 00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:05,599 and then uh CP three and Looney? I think, I think because Looney 580 00:38:05,599 --> 00:38:07,119 is the one you can take They've talked about it all off season. Loony 581 00:38:07,159 --> 00:38:10,199 is the guy you can take out and not worry about. You know, 582 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,719 is he gonna stew about it? Is because it's just happened forever, even 583 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,320 though I think there's a case to be made that Looney should just always play 584 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:22,760 because of what he can contribute defensively. So what did I say? Clay 585 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:29,440 Wiggins kaminga Looney? CP three and Looney. That's my order of most closed 586 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,280 games if I have to not be overreactive about it, because Clay is the 587 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,760 guy, is the guy that if you bench him, I don't think that's 588 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,480 gonna go great, especially since he did not get the extension he seems to 589 00:38:39,519 --> 00:38:43,159 want. That also, like no one in their right mind would give him 590 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,039 MAXI money anyway, but uh, he sound someone who might sign for less 591 00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:50,679 than that if it's any consolation. So if Draymond just signed for four for 592 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,480 one hundred and Wiggins is making in the twenties, Clay Thompson has no business 593 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,119 making more than either of those guys, right, Like, do we agree 594 00:38:57,119 --> 00:39:02,519 about do we agree on that? Yeah, Wiggins just so the vanishing acts 595 00:39:02,599 --> 00:39:06,159 feel like they could be. But he's already been the second best player or 596 00:39:06,159 --> 00:39:07,400 the third best player on the four from them in the finals, which Clay 597 00:39:08,039 --> 00:39:09,960 used to be. And look, he's come back from a serious injury. 598 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:15,239 I'm not trying. Yeah, two serious injuries. So my final question then 599 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,760 on this subject, way too long on the Warriors, My god, they 600 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:22,760 not deserve this much. If you're getting to a point where Kaminga is consistently 601 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,159 a part of your closing units and you're in the dilemma of what do we 602 00:39:25,199 --> 00:39:30,440 even bother playing Clay or Wiggins or maybe CP three, shouldn't you look at 603 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:34,119 trading one of those three dudes. I've had the thought of, like if 604 00:39:34,199 --> 00:39:38,280 Kaminga just becomes an elite on you know, just great defender, knocks off 605 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,079 the dumbfouls, like the over aggressive fouls, which he had some of in 606 00:39:42,159 --> 00:39:45,440 the opener. I think, like Clay, I don't think you're gonna get 607 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,920 like great value for because he's expiring and he makes a ton of money, 608 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:52,119 and I think the arrow is aiming down like career trajectory wise, Wiggins is 609 00:39:52,159 --> 00:39:58,079 someone you could probably get something for the weird thing is like, well what 610 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,840 does everybody need, Well, we need a three and D, so let's 611 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:01,920 trade Wiggins for one of those. It's like, well, he sort of 612 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,599 is that when he's playing. Well, so yeah, I think I think 613 00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:08,360 that's something you could especially if like the plan is to bring Clay back next 614 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:13,079 year at a discount that's not you know, a heist of a discount. 615 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,760 Then you got to figure out where the money trim is gonna come from beyond 616 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:20,679 CP three just you know, thirty million dollars evaporating and Wiggins getting off. 617 00:40:20,679 --> 00:40:23,480 Wiggins might might be that. I don't know. I think I think yes, 618 00:40:23,559 --> 00:40:28,719 if Kaminga is who the Warriors think and hope he becomes, you do 619 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,280 look at moving somebody so he can just be a thirty eight minute guy, 620 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:36,719 like just play him to death basically because he if Kaminga is going well, 621 00:40:37,039 --> 00:40:39,519 he doesn't really take anything off the table if he can shoot it, because 622 00:40:39,519 --> 00:40:43,559 he's gonna get to the foul line, he's gonna guard he's been rebounding well, 623 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,639 like there's there's not a lot that he you know, can't do. 624 00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:50,559 If if he continues to look like the guy he's been, you know, 625 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,480 in the preseason, and even even though the opener wasn't his best game, 626 00:40:53,559 --> 00:40:58,880 like, he still was impactful. He still was like obviously just like an 627 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,599 overwhelming athlete that you know, his upside is still super high. I still 628 00:41:01,639 --> 00:41:07,880 think Kama could be really, really good. That is probably your most level 629 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:13,360 headed Jonathan Minga in Constellation next team in the West that I think dessert and 630 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,119 a player specifically on the West I think deserves some shine. We both made 631 00:41:16,199 --> 00:41:23,000 predictions officially for for him Pianta Georgie of the Utah Jazz, and you have 632 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,119 you said that he's going to start more games at point guard than anybody else 633 00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:30,280 on the roster. I think correct, that was your take. I would 634 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,559 agree. I want once that person said he's going to finish first team All 635 00:41:32,679 --> 00:41:36,519 Rookie, I almost said all NBA. That would have been that would have 636 00:41:36,519 --> 00:41:39,880 been no reaction. I actually don't think this. Both of these qualifies an 637 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:45,360 overreaction relative to the Jazz is first game, but I watch him, and 638 00:41:45,559 --> 00:41:50,320 first team All Rookie is going to be tough because Wemby, Chet and probably 639 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,400 Scoot are just there. And so now you're saying like he's gonna beat out 640 00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:58,400 one or both of the Thompson brothers, just as like that's the one that 641 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,840 stands out the Yeah, he's gonna get there. He is already their best 642 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:07,920 passer. He's already I think they're most threatening off the dribbled jump shooter and 643 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:12,800 even you know, just a couple plays against Sacramento of yes, the Jazz, 644 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,320 I think fans it was kind of an awakening for Okay. This season 645 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:21,639 probably not going to be like last season, but you just saw like there's 646 00:42:21,679 --> 00:42:24,480 a game management, there's a vision there, and there's gonna be rookie mistakes, 647 00:42:24,519 --> 00:42:28,639 but he's he's kind of even if the ball's in his hands, he's 648 00:42:28,679 --> 00:42:31,719 not a ball stopper, Like there's still gonna be ball and body movement. 649 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:37,880 I am all the way in on what he is doing. And like we 650 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,159 already did our all rookie predictions and I had him on this podcast. I 651 00:42:40,199 --> 00:42:45,239 put him in first team All Rookie. Nothing's changed since then, big shocker. 652 00:42:45,079 --> 00:42:49,119 I just I wonder if people realize, and we were talking about this 653 00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,320 off air, and it's not meant as an insult, is that we probably 654 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,519 don't cater on this podcast enough to just the casual fan where It's like if 655 00:42:55,559 --> 00:43:00,440 the Utah Jazz are gonna listen to a segment on Keyante George, it like 656 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,079 it's Utah Jazz fans that are gonna be interested in that. And I just 657 00:43:02,119 --> 00:43:08,519 don't know that he has popped up on the just the national radar quite enough. 658 00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:10,519 We're no, I don't think he's one of the you know, ten 659 00:43:10,559 --> 00:43:14,760 best point guards in the NBA right frickin' now. But relative to the Jazz, 660 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:19,800 options and opportunity is such a big part of making these all rookie teams 661 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:25,400 that you don't even necessarily always need to be relatively efficient or sniff the galaxy 662 00:43:25,519 --> 00:43:30,599 of efficient. You can struggle, but if the opportunity is there, you're 663 00:43:30,639 --> 00:43:35,239 good that volume, you're gonna have a chance to really make waves. And 664 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,199 just after Game one, the things that Will Hardy was saying about him afterwards 665 00:43:39,199 --> 00:43:44,480 as well, the opportunity is gonna be there. He what did he ended 666 00:43:44,519 --> 00:43:47,679 up finished with? It was only nineteen minutes, but like those minutes are 667 00:43:47,679 --> 00:43:52,559 gonna shoot up, They're going to skyrocket by I would be let's throw it 668 00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:58,639 this way. If he is not the most played or the Jordan Clarkson's there, 669 00:43:59,159 --> 00:44:01,480 if he's not one of the most played guards by Thanksgiving, I'll be 670 00:44:01,519 --> 00:44:07,920 floored. Yeah, I think that the surrounding talent or the guys that are 671 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,639 quote unquote in his way are kind of what pushed me towards the idea that 672 00:44:10,679 --> 00:44:15,320 he like, why isn't this guy gonna start more games than anyone else at 673 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:20,440 the point because like the knock I think, you know, was coming into 674 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,800 like say summer League, was you know, talented, but then you know, 675 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,119 maybe a little heavy and can't shoot. Well, he lost the weight 676 00:44:25,159 --> 00:44:28,719 and he made us shit town of threes in summer league, and so suddenly, 677 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,280 if you are you know, just more of a national NBA fan, 678 00:44:32,039 --> 00:44:37,280 you probably were aware at some point of this Kante Georgia guy was really really 679 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,320 good in summer League and looked like a draft steal. But like if the 680 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:45,320 question is, I don't you know, can't he make threes consistently because he 681 00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,599 didn't prove it in college and you know, hot summer league stretches are you 682 00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:52,199 know, not worth a whole lot? Well, Taylor Horton Tucker can't shoot, 683 00:44:52,519 --> 00:44:55,599 Chris Dunn can't shoot. So like if the if the spacing is your 684 00:44:55,639 --> 00:45:00,760 concern, like none of those three guys are going to you know, scared, 685 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:02,320 defense is a ton and if you've got to pick one, I'm gonna 686 00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:07,840 play George because like where are we as the jazz right, Like, where 687 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,719 where are we developmentally? Who where's our cornerstone piece? Where's our guy that 688 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:15,119 we're sure is going to be around for forever? Like Walker Kessel probably is 689 00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:20,960 that guy market in Maybe is that guy although front which is a fairly big 690 00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:27,440 maybe maybe, but Danny Angel might trade Laurie Marketing and tomorrow zero fs yest 691 00:45:27,519 --> 00:45:30,719 zero. So if you're developed, and you're in a developmental phase and maybe 692 00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:35,559 like losing games isn't the worst thing. Playing a rookie point guard is a 693 00:45:35,639 --> 00:45:38,639 decent way to go about achieving a lot of your goals if they include finding 694 00:45:38,639 --> 00:45:44,599 a cornerstone, improving lottery position, et cetera. And it's just like Horton 695 00:45:44,639 --> 00:45:47,599 Tucker and Dunn are not you know, long term pieces. They just aren't 696 00:45:47,639 --> 00:45:51,400 even you know, they're both young ish, and Horton Tucker is always like 697 00:45:51,639 --> 00:45:54,079 it's always like shocking how young he is, Like he's still twenty? How's 698 00:45:54,079 --> 00:45:59,000 that possible? Is this fifth NBA season? I just think you played George 699 00:45:59,039 --> 00:46:01,079 over both of those guys, and it's not a complicated decision just because he 700 00:46:01,199 --> 00:46:05,639 matters more in the grand scheme for Utah and he might just be better today, 701 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,199 Like that's we should we should just think of it that way, Like 702 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,880 he might just be the best point guard on the roster even though he's the 703 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:15,599 youngest, Like why why why can I just ask, like what is the 704 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:20,360 might be? I'm not saying that you're hedging what are we afraid to? 705 00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,320 Who are we defra who are we afraid to crown him over? Yes? 706 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:28,800 Could you say, Okay, Colin Sexton, Jordan Clarkson are better player. 707 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,519 And look Jordan Clarkson, he's made strides just looking off last season then based 708 00:46:32,519 --> 00:46:36,360 off what I saw from him during that that game against the Kings, like 709 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,920 he's made strides as a passer, so he like he is the candidate unless 710 00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,760 you're saying, well, look at what Chris Done could do defensively. I 711 00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,519 don't want to say point guard defense doesn't matter, because it absolutely does. 712 00:46:45,559 --> 00:46:49,480 But like you're gonna do a lot of heavy lifting on defense as Chris Dunn. 713 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,320 If you're better, if you're a better overall point guard than Keante George, 714 00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:59,559 if we're isolating it to offense. Is Jordan Clarkson is the only candidate. 715 00:46:59,679 --> 00:47:01,159 Oh, just because con Section doesn't have the level of vision or like 716 00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:05,079 decision making that either of these two guys. And he's a terrible defender, 717 00:47:05,199 --> 00:47:08,519 Like that's that's why Collin Sexton, you know, he has where it looks 718 00:47:08,519 --> 00:47:12,960 like he could be a good defense where it's just like he's not even doing 719 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,199 the right thing sometimes and he might still get blown by or miss something, 720 00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:20,639 but he just looks really locked. He's got no concext hastics. Yes, 721 00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:24,840 Consexton has the appearance and mannerisms of a great defensive player right until he just 722 00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:30,480 gets toasted like that is the first team almost likely to get blown by while 723 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:36,199 he's smashing the floor to prove that he's defensively absolutely correct. Let's see, 724 00:47:36,199 --> 00:47:37,559 I think I should pick one here? Can I put you on the spot? 725 00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:42,199 Yes? For one? That of yours? Okay, So I had 726 00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:46,800 I thought this was bold when I predicted it that Victor woman Yama would be 727 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:52,159 good. Sure, I said. My prediction for him, and I've made 728 00:47:52,199 --> 00:47:57,280 a lot of Wemby predictions, was that he would average twenty plus points, 729 00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:01,920 two point five blocks and one made three per game. That doesn't sound now, 730 00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,960 it sounds stupid. Joel Ebiid, No one's ever done that. Joel 731 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,840 Embiid came the closest as a rookie in twenty sixteen. Twenty seventeen. He 732 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:14,199 averaged two point five blocks on the money, and I said Wemby would get 733 00:48:14,199 --> 00:48:19,199 one plus three two point five plus blocks and twenty plus points. Joal Bean 734 00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,880 only playing thirty something games that year, so I thought, I thought it 735 00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,360 was fairly spicy. You went ahead. Oh, he came from the top 736 00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:29,360 ropes. Are you willing to talk about that? So this is where I 737 00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,079 was going anyway, because we've gone too long with some Wimby content. I 738 00:48:32,119 --> 00:48:37,719 think when Victor women Yama is going to average over four blocks per game as 739 00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:42,199 a rookie this year, four four point zero. Maybe Brothers does not think 740 00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,280 so. Yeah, I was gonna say, if he continues to pick up, 741 00:48:45,519 --> 00:48:47,039 you know, enough fouls to keep his minutes in the low twenties, 742 00:48:47,079 --> 00:48:51,360 this will be tough. I still wouldn't rule it out. I just think 743 00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:57,000 this ties into the more women Yama I watch, the more I think he 744 00:48:57,199 --> 00:49:00,800 is one of those players that is going to force us, not forces the 745 00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:07,920 wrong word but like cause us to reevaluate sort of how the game is played 746 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:12,960 and like what's possible on the floor, because and you could encapsulate that thought 747 00:49:13,039 --> 00:49:17,960 in like a single play from a preseason game where when ben Yama is at 748 00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:22,320 the elbow, either I think he's got both feet in the paint and he's 749 00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,679 a little below the foul line. He's guarding Andrew Wiggins, who is on 750 00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:29,480 the left wing, and when ben Yama takes the ball swings to Wiggins, 751 00:49:29,519 --> 00:49:34,079 Wiggins loads up for an open shot against literally any other defender on planet Earth. 752 00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,559 And when ben Yama takes like a step and a half and blocks this 753 00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:40,079 shot, this three point attempt. I don't know, like you've seen the 754 00:49:40,119 --> 00:49:44,199 still photo of it, probably because it's circulated on social media. But like 755 00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:46,519 I think when ben Yama is getting the ball at like thirteen feet off the 756 00:49:46,559 --> 00:49:52,360 ground or something like, just like it's absurd because and Wiggins is not a 757 00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,800 high arc shooter, but he puts some arc on this, and when ben 758 00:49:54,840 --> 00:50:00,400 Yama is still up there just palm on the ball like done. So I 759 00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:04,719 think the fact that he's gonna get a handful of blocks, you know, 760 00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,079 every week of that variety where it's just like he closed out from the restricted 761 00:50:08,119 --> 00:50:13,599 area and blocked the corner three, or he you know, helps and recovers 762 00:50:13,639 --> 00:50:17,039 and goes and gets a turnaround jumper from something like just like absurd blocks that 763 00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:21,760 no one else can get. He's gonna get those. And then I think 764 00:50:22,679 --> 00:50:27,000 as he figures out, like because I think even in his best games, 765 00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,199 I think his processing speed is really good for where he's at, but like 766 00:50:30,679 --> 00:50:35,599 he's still gonna get better at diagnosing like when to go for shot blocks and 767 00:50:35,639 --> 00:50:38,199 when to you know, how to play the pick and roll if he's going 768 00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:42,400 to be involved in some of those, because I think offenses are going to 769 00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,800 have to start trying to get him into the action sometimes just to keep him 770 00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:50,239 from floating around and causing so much havoc. So, yeah, the four 771 00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:54,239 point zero is like a wild number. I'm trying to Yeah, Matumbo average 772 00:50:54,280 --> 00:51:00,239 four in ninety five ninety six, and Wemby in his first four priests and 773 00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:04,280 games average four point seven blocks per thirty six minutes. So the thirty six 774 00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,880 minutes tumble play that season that I don't know, probably like that was the 775 00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,639 era of guys are all playing. You know, there were twenty five guys 776 00:51:10,639 --> 00:51:15,280 playing plus forty plus probably getting to thirty six minutes might be tough. But 777 00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:21,360 if you told me when mien Yama's gonna average thirty four minutes a game, 778 00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:23,599 I would feel even better about this. I don't know if the like, 779 00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:28,719 I just think he's gonna have Oh this is another one. Uh, I'm 780 00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,559 not gonna spoil it. I have some stat padding when mien Yama stuff. 781 00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:34,639 But like, let's just say I looked up, like what the record for 782 00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:38,000 blocks in a game was, and it was seventeen I think, And I 783 00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:42,480 had to have some thoughts about, like should I just predict that he's gonna 784 00:51:42,519 --> 00:51:45,800 set the all time blocks record in a single game this year because he's how 785 00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:50,360 about this? Do you think? Nope, I'm not gonna step on stat 786 00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,679 padding. I was about to step on a Wemby stat padding thing. You 787 00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,039 don't want to spoil it for the listeners, or you're worried that I'm gonna 788 00:51:55,039 --> 00:52:00,599 get something correct you? No, No, I don't I want to spoil 789 00:52:00,639 --> 00:52:05,119 it. I just think like he's gonna have a lot of uh ten block 790 00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,239 games like in his career, and he's probably gonna get some this year. 791 00:52:08,119 --> 00:52:12,280 Wow, ten block games. I wonder how many of those there have been. 792 00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,880 That's not a stat I would know offhand throughout NBA history how many there 793 00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,719 have been. It's funny. I don't have anything to add other than what 794 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:22,000 you're saying sounds so fucking absurd, and I'm just like, nah, I 795 00:52:22,039 --> 00:52:27,840 get it. It's I can't even sometimes I can't. You know, you 796 00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,159 mentioned how sometimes we can't step out of our NBA silo when we're trying to 797 00:52:31,199 --> 00:52:36,440 frame the conversations for wider audiences. I can't. I do the same thing 798 00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:37,800 where I'm trying to be bold, and it's I look back and I'm like, 799 00:52:38,159 --> 00:52:40,800 twenty plus points, two point five plus blocks and one made three. 800 00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:44,519 After seeing how he was used, I just thought he was gonna be on 801 00:52:44,599 --> 00:52:47,079 ball a lot more like he No, he's just gonna jack like he'll probably 802 00:52:47,079 --> 00:52:50,480 finish. What do you want to put the over under on? How many 803 00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,320 threes? Like point at times he's gonna average this year? If I said 804 00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,840 it at five? Are you just gonna smash the over that now? I 805 00:52:55,960 --> 00:53:00,199 might? I mean they said on the broadcast that Popovich just basically said, 806 00:53:00,199 --> 00:53:02,199 like play free, you know, do what you want. I think his 807 00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,719 first shot of his career was kind of like a pull up three from the 808 00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,039 top. So it's just like, clearly he's gonna be allowed to explore the 809 00:53:09,079 --> 00:53:12,280 space. Yeah, and I mean, look, he took oh, he 810 00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,119 took exactly five and twenty three minutes of action, so I would hit the 811 00:53:15,159 --> 00:53:19,000 over if it's on five, and I just my head was like, well, 812 00:53:19,039 --> 00:53:21,360 he's gonna probably be inefficient. There he goes, he hits three of 813 00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,840 his first five three pointers. That was I will say that game specifically. 814 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:28,719 I mean, the MAVs are actually the MAVs are the next team I wanted 815 00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:30,519 to talk about, but they're they're probably gonna be a train wreck defensive, 816 00:53:30,599 --> 00:53:34,840 Like those are the shots that they were just gonna concede because they're worried about 817 00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,920 him, what he might do off the dribble. So it just I couldn't 818 00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:39,679 be bold enough. So I'm glad that you took it. There. I 819 00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:44,239 think it was. It was your prediction was necessary. Can I ask you 820 00:53:44,559 --> 00:53:49,840 this, because we can't really talk too much about him, do you have, 821 00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:52,760 like, you know, very casual or not at all NBA fans in 822 00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,800 your life that have asked you, like, what's the deal with this? 823 00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:59,199 Win? Benyama guy like, what like have you do you? How do 824 00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,360 you describe him? I can give you my answer if that hasn't come up 825 00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:05,119 for you. But like you know, someone's like, oh, who's this, 826 00:54:05,199 --> 00:54:07,440 who's that? Who's this tall guy? I keep hearing about, like 827 00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:08,639 what is he gonna be? Any good? Do you have you had those 828 00:54:08,639 --> 00:54:13,079 conversations with people? Yeah? For sure, what what do you say? 829 00:54:14,199 --> 00:54:17,800 I say, I've always framed it and our listeners are probably gonna unsubscribe if 830 00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:22,000 they hear me say this one more time. I frame it as the summer 831 00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:25,480 League conversation where everyone was so concerned after his first game, and I say 832 00:54:25,559 --> 00:54:30,960 I came away having not seen a lot of him before that point, thinking 833 00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,519 that he's going to be one of the best players of all time and that 834 00:54:34,599 --> 00:54:37,000 is and that was my best way to frame it. And then there's invariably, 835 00:54:37,039 --> 00:54:38,920 well what if he's you know, not healthy? And I'm just that's 836 00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,639 the question with everybody, and I know you're worried about his lower body and 837 00:54:42,639 --> 00:54:45,440 stuff. His size. Kevin Rant has made a top fifteen of all time 838 00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:49,880 career. He's not as big as one of me, but he's not like 839 00:54:50,199 --> 00:54:52,239 super built, like he's not He's not girthy is the word I would use. 840 00:54:52,519 --> 00:54:57,840 So I just I'm not gonna worry about the health stuff until if and 841 00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,239 when, but if, let's say, if it ever becomes an issue. 842 00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,440 And that's just I'm curious of what you say. I feel like you probably 843 00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:06,480 have a better rebuke to all this time. No, No, I I 844 00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,920 I ask because like I struggle with it because it's hard to I think I 845 00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:14,320 always I can't help but over sell him basically because and so a lot of 846 00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:19,159 times I'll just say, like, well, you know, it's it's difficult 847 00:55:19,199 --> 00:55:22,079 to say because there's never ever been someone like him, and I think in 848 00:55:22,119 --> 00:55:25,000 a lot of ways, that's kind of the best endorsement you can give. 849 00:55:25,039 --> 00:55:30,599 It's like I can't really make predictions because he might do things that we thought 850 00:55:30,639 --> 00:55:35,599 were not doable. So and I think, I mean, like just as 851 00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:38,199 a defender, like leave all the other stuff out. I think it's probably 852 00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:44,559 like how many he's gonna be someone that is regarded as the best defensive player 853 00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:49,679 of his era and like maybe just ever, you know, like I just 854 00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,679 like I try to sell it much. I just I mean, I just 855 00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,559 think I don't That's why I asked. It's like I don't know how to 856 00:55:57,119 --> 00:56:00,880 make it relatable to someone that like has heard his name but doesn't and like 857 00:56:01,079 --> 00:56:06,199 keeps hearing the hype and doesn't really follow basketball, And it's just like, 858 00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:07,920 I don't know. It's like if there was like a six hundred pound guy 859 00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,320 that could run a four to four forty in football, Like, what do 860 00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,400 you do with him? I don't know, nobody knows. You just kind 861 00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,800 of like enjoy it and see and see what's possible. That's that's I don't 862 00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:20,440 know what to do with it. So you know, thanks for nothing, 863 00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,719 because now we still we still just have to be hyperbolic when we describe him. 864 00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:27,000 I guess you and you already predicted this too, so just our level 865 00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,360 of what you said, first team All defense for him, which, by 866 00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:31,840 the way, as a rookie, that's never happened before. I know, 867 00:56:32,039 --> 00:56:35,800 I know I should have just used that. I mean, what's more likely 868 00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,559 first team All I Basically every prediction I make for him is something that either 869 00:56:38,559 --> 00:56:42,559 hasn't happened in thirty years or has never happened. So I mean, I 870 00:56:42,559 --> 00:56:45,400 don't we should just do a whole podcast where we say ridiculous shit about what 871 00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:51,199 he's gonna do we Oh my god, what's ridiculous? Like what honestly, 872 00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:58,039 what of everything that we have said about him qualifies as if you're sitting detached 873 00:56:58,039 --> 00:57:00,440 from the situation, if you haven't seen enough of him because you're not a 874 00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:04,000 fan of the Spurs. I get it. What if we said that's ridiculous. 875 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,239 I guess the four blocks per game is just like well, I did 876 00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,360 say he might be the best defensive player of all yeah, at the top. 877 00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:14,880 And it's funny because that was your throwaway comment. That's why I just 878 00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:16,760 snuck it in. You want to talk Dallas, You got a Dallas one. 879 00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,159 I do have a Dallas one, and it's gonna step on the toes 880 00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:24,679 of something I already predicted. So I'm saying that I was wrong already. 881 00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:30,920 H But I'll frame it this way. Derek Lively will be the best player 882 00:57:31,039 --> 00:57:37,920 drafted outside of the top ten from this class. And I think the other 883 00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:39,039 way I was going to frame it too, is because the minutes are clearly 884 00:57:39,079 --> 00:57:42,880 going to be there. I didn't have him on any of our all rookie 885 00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,400 teams. He's another one where it's we think Keantre George is going to be 886 00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:50,199 there Derek Lively might be first team All Rookie as well. He looked really 887 00:57:50,199 --> 00:57:52,599 good in his first game. I think they I think he scored. He 888 00:57:52,639 --> 00:57:54,480 had sixteen to ten, and I don't think he scored sixteen points in a 889 00:57:54,519 --> 00:57:59,440 college game. So, like we're talking about Derek Lively at a high point 890 00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:00,920 right now. The thing that I think impressed me the most, and I 891 00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:06,840 think the highlight that'll get the most run is the lob he caught from Luca. 892 00:58:07,199 --> 00:58:08,679 There are two things that stood out, and I swear I'm not I'm 893 00:58:08,679 --> 00:58:12,599 probably trying to be nerdy because I want to prove that I observed things. 894 00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,519 But there were plays early on the first quarter. So he has those two 895 00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:19,760 dunks. He's so quick off the rim. On those dunks, he's thinking 896 00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,719 ahead to the point where, yeah, there are guys sometimes you have to 897 00:58:22,719 --> 00:58:24,960 hang on the rim, but most of the most players, they're not popping 898 00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:30,480 off the rim like that. He understands the opponent that he's going against. 899 00:58:30,519 --> 00:58:36,039 The Spurs are looking to run off of makes of their opponent. He's already 900 00:58:36,039 --> 00:58:40,199 getting back on defense. Just stuff like that is big or understanding when to 901 00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:44,280 kind of come as a help defender already and throw the doubles, like when 902 00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:49,360 you're below the free throw line. That is even on my simpleton mind when 903 00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,159 it comes to not understanding like NBA defense, Like this kid already gets it. 904 00:58:52,239 --> 00:58:55,320 And so we both made jokes about, oh, the MAVs are gonna 905 00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:59,760 he started the second half for Dallas al right, like he's that just got 906 00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:04,719 to be You're I know MAXI Kleiba as a different element, and I don't 907 00:59:04,719 --> 00:59:07,159 care play the two together. Play Grant Williams at the three, because I 908 00:59:07,199 --> 00:59:09,559 don't trust your wing rotation anyway. I know Tim Hardaway Junior had some nice 909 00:59:09,559 --> 00:59:13,719 moments and in the game against the Spurs, But by the way, I 910 00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,320 actually would try that lineup. I don't know if they did. I would 911 00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:19,760 guess that they didn't. But throw Kleba, Grant Williams and Derek. Look 912 00:59:20,239 --> 00:59:23,840 you framed Grant Williams's signing is getting a wing? Prove it? Play the 913 00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:30,280 three? Uh So, I'm just I did not see a ton of him 914 00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,639 in preseason. I knew very little of him coming out of college. I 915 00:59:32,679 --> 00:59:37,000 just don't cover the college game. I am smitten, and I apologize in 916 00:59:37,039 --> 00:59:38,760 advance. He's the player where I'm gonna spell his first name wrong all the 917 00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:44,719 times I want to spell it d e r R. There's too many Derek's. 918 00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,400 There's too many Derek spellings. We need to arrive at a consensus on 919 00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:52,199 Derek. I don't need d e r R E c K. I don't 920 00:59:52,239 --> 00:59:57,599 need uh r d e r. There's only one R, so that's too 921 00:59:57,599 --> 01:00:01,280 many. Let's do either d E e K or Derek like Derek Rose, 922 01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:05,960 where it's just totally phonetic d e r R I c K. But we 923 01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:07,840 can't. We have too many. I have the same issue with DeAndre. 924 01:00:08,119 --> 01:00:12,639 Sometimes you get the apostrophe, sometimes you don't. Sometimes you get the capital 925 01:00:12,679 --> 01:00:16,960 A for Andre. Uh. That's why I like DeAndre, which who somebody 926 01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:22,559 it's either Ayton, I think it's Aytan. That's just DeAndre with only capital 927 01:00:22,599 --> 01:00:24,719 D and no apostrophes. That keeps it simple for me. Yeah, that 928 01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:28,159 is, and it's the one that people get wrong the most, by the 929 01:00:28,159 --> 01:00:31,159 way, because they're so used to writing like the D with the apostrophe or 930 01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:36,239 having the capital A. We're also getting dangerous with Jalen too, because there's 931 01:00:36,239 --> 01:00:38,519 too many Jen. We should have a spelling write this down. We're gonna 932 01:00:38,519 --> 01:00:45,119 do a spelling very ESPN broadcast of US spending time on names Derek Lively. 933 01:00:45,239 --> 01:00:49,519 I think there's gonna look the MAVs. They were torch step points defensively by 934 01:00:49,519 --> 01:00:52,440 the Spurs without Wemby on the floor, by the way, because that's the 935 01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:58,559 other Spurs hot take Devin Vessel top five MVP bat he looked so good. 936 01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,280 I who's I was talking to someone. I was like, it's kind of 937 01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:07,880 like if you had Bradley Beal and you made him more athletic, and uh, 938 01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:10,679 it's just like he looked amazing. I think Vasell looked really good. 939 01:01:12,519 --> 01:01:15,480 A couple of points on Lively and these are even less. Uh, you 940 01:01:15,559 --> 01:01:19,440 call yourself a simpleton. He looks big out there. Did you notice that 941 01:01:19,519 --> 01:01:22,800 during the game, like Lively. Look, there are a few guys in 942 01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:24,840 the league where just watching them around their peers, you're like, Okay, 943 01:01:25,079 --> 01:01:29,840 it's taking up some space and and he can really move. And I think 944 01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:34,239 that's gonna benefit him because there'll be more space and like his ability to cover 945 01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:37,960 ground will be accentuated like it wasn't in the college game. Also, Luca 946 01:01:37,039 --> 01:01:42,360 is gonna gift him six points a night just on lobs, Like just just 947 01:01:42,559 --> 01:01:49,000 no questions asked easy, He's catch an angle radius is just and that's the 948 01:01:49,079 --> 01:01:52,480 highlight that's going around for good reason. He's like kind of like behind the 949 01:01:52,519 --> 01:01:57,280 backboard when he's finishing that one. Luca oop yep, yeah, I like 950 01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:00,840 that one. I have a my Mavis my word one really quickly though, 951 01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:05,559 what would be the players drafted outside the top ten? It's Keante George is 952 01:02:05,599 --> 01:02:07,079 one. That's so it's getting because I think he's gonna be really good and 953 01:02:07,079 --> 01:02:10,519 he'll have agent more agency over the offense. But I'm looking at the rest 954 01:02:10,519 --> 01:02:14,320 and it's yeah, there are names and this is again it's an overreaction. 955 01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:20,480 Grady Dick is it like him? A Hawkes Cam Whitmore is a good swing? 956 01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:24,360 Yeah, I saw someone pretty Hawkes would finish third and Rookie of the 957 01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:28,920 Year. I forget where I saw that, but that seemed that was my 958 01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:35,119 was it, pat Riley? We don't have any tastes quite that hot chagin 959 01:02:35,159 --> 01:02:37,599 you want. The my MAVs thing is like, I think Jayden Hardy is 960 01:02:37,639 --> 01:02:42,840 low key maybe the third most important player on Dallas because nobody besides Luca and 961 01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,519 Kyrie can create shots, and you will need a third guy because one of 962 01:02:45,519 --> 01:02:49,880 them is gonna miss time. And yeah, but Hardy didn't play in the 963 01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:53,679 opener, so I'm not right or wrong yet. My other Dallas Mavericks take, 964 01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:55,960 Yeah, we have to do. That's fascinating. So I was curious 965 01:02:55,960 --> 01:03:00,559 what his role would look like. It's because they have all. I know, 966 01:03:00,599 --> 01:03:02,159 Seth Curry's not going to dribble, but he's a vet. And there's 967 01:03:02,239 --> 01:03:05,239 Josh Green there too, who is probably gonna send most of the time in 968 01:03:05,239 --> 01:03:07,800 the wing. Dante ExHAM as well. And this is my MAVs takers. 969 01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:13,760 Did I forget that Dante Exim kind of had like the Kyle Lowry body type. 970 01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:20,239 Did Okay, I'm not calling him dude, I'm just simpleton over here. 971 01:03:20,239 --> 01:03:22,079 I'm not talking about like I'm the peak of fitness. I have no 972 01:03:22,119 --> 01:03:25,880 problem, But I don't remember him being that big. First of all, 973 01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:29,559 you are the peak of fitness. Second of all, I had that exact 974 01:03:29,679 --> 01:03:34,880 thought. It's like, wow, Dante Exam that Kyle Lowry macro pack. 975 01:03:35,159 --> 01:03:38,000 Yeah, I guess so yeah, no, but I mean it was in 976 01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:40,800 all jokes aside, like it was kind of awesome to see him playing, 977 01:03:42,159 --> 01:03:45,639 because like I remember as a prospect thinking like this guy might just be one 978 01:03:45,679 --> 01:03:51,519 of the best on ball defenders, like among guards right right away, and 979 01:03:51,519 --> 01:03:52,639 and he just you know, he got hurt and all that other stuff. 980 01:03:52,679 --> 01:03:57,199 So but yeah, he definitely his his frame has changed, I guess we 981 01:03:57,559 --> 01:04:00,800 should say, and which makes sense because what was the eighteen when he was 982 01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:06,039 a rookie, So that'll happen the I only have one more that I would 983 01:04:06,159 --> 01:04:09,159 like to do. You have any more that you want to get off because 984 01:04:09,159 --> 01:04:12,760 I took Dallas was mine? Give me yours, and then I'll see if 985 01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:15,159 there's anything else I really need to say. The first part of this is 986 01:04:15,199 --> 01:04:18,159 not bold enough, even though I thought it was at the time. The 987 01:04:18,199 --> 01:04:21,840 second part I think is Devin Booker is going to average over seven assists per 988 01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:26,239 game and finish in the top five of MVP voting. And it's not going 989 01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:30,480 to be fourth or fifth. Ooh, well, I am. He's not 990 01:04:30,519 --> 01:04:32,079 going to play. We're recording this on a Thursday. He's not playing on 991 01:04:32,119 --> 01:04:38,320 Thursday. That's that's a whole another istion for Phoenix when he went I'm sure 992 01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:40,920 you saw him when he went to the floor early in the game. That 993 01:04:41,039 --> 01:04:43,480 was I was like, oh no, Like he is the guy they can't 994 01:04:43,519 --> 01:04:45,800 afford to lose. I know we haven't seen Beal out there yet. That 995 01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,760 could infringe upon some of his touches. I don't we know what he is 996 01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,800 as a score. There are two things that I still think and one of 997 01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:56,719 them's egregious. It's the passing that comes back to the assists. This is 998 01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:04,480 someone who has incrementally increased the complexity of his passes every single year, just 999 01:05:04,559 --> 01:05:08,360 about and even since. When you look back, I think his career high 1000 01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:11,679 right now is it's like six, right. It was the season before CP 1001 01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,719 three, Yeah, and they all came. His best assist years came before. 1002 01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,639 Obviously Chris Paul showed up, and then he's he's dropped off like one 1003 01:05:17,719 --> 01:05:20,559 or two per game. He was over six for sure. I think he 1004 01:05:20,599 --> 01:05:24,400 was at six point eight and six point five in the two seasons leading up 1005 01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:28,199 to CP three's arrival. So in retrospect, but I mean he's with Durant 1006 01:05:28,199 --> 01:05:30,519 and Beale. It was Semi Bowl when I made the prediction this. The 1007 01:05:30,559 --> 01:05:34,760 passing is just like he is passing guys open the things that he is seeing 1008 01:05:35,079 --> 01:05:40,440 when he is like the The biggest thing that I think with him is the 1009 01:05:40,559 --> 01:05:45,599 live dribble playmaking. That doesn't include as JJ Redick was calling it with, 1010 01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:49,239 uh was it Luca the Also it was DCEL, not deceleration. They were 1011 01:05:49,239 --> 01:05:55,639 abbreviating DCEL. It's when he's not decelerating and he's just whipping these pass all 1012 01:05:56,039 --> 01:05:59,039 over the place. You name it. The lobs he could throw, bounce 1013 01:05:59,079 --> 01:06:00,480 passes, the cross cour the cross court stuff, and the lobs, like 1014 01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:03,519 the placement on those things stand out the most. The other thing here, 1015 01:06:04,079 --> 01:06:10,199 the defense is just it's not every possession. It's not Kawhi esque ever. 1016 01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:16,519 Devin Booker and is this the bold take? Is an above average defender at 1017 01:06:16,519 --> 01:06:19,880 this point. And I'm talking in terms of if you want to have that 1018 01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:25,119 guy. I'm not just talking closing units like in the playoffs like that is 1019 01:06:25,159 --> 01:06:29,119 someone Do you want him checking the best player on the other team? No? 1020 01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,599 Can he do it for Spurts? I think he's there, And it's 1021 01:06:32,639 --> 01:06:36,559 more it feels. I don't know if it's more consistent or it's more visible 1022 01:06:38,159 --> 01:06:42,000 to where like the effort or just like the possessions in which he's gonna lock 1023 01:06:42,039 --> 01:06:44,800 in where he's gonna make this wild read where he's away from the ball and 1024 01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:47,280 he's just snatching it like out of the passing lane, coming from nowhere. 1025 01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:53,480 This is I can't call him a top five player, because then you get 1026 01:06:53,519 --> 01:06:56,199 into the realm of yeah. I don't want to be the podcast that says, 1027 01:06:56,199 --> 01:06:58,119 oh, so and so is a top ten player when we don't do 1028 01:06:58,159 --> 01:07:01,079 player rankings on the podcast, specifically, when we're looking at MVP voting, 1029 01:07:01,079 --> 01:07:03,280 here are the players that I'm prepared to say are going to finish ahead of 1030 01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:12,000 him an MVP voting. H Yo, kitsch, We're done. Yeah, 1031 01:07:12,119 --> 01:07:14,239 No, I think that's I think that's right. I will say too, 1032 01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:17,119 like I am, and I hope we don't have to say this every time 1033 01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:21,840 we record a podcast. I'm fascinated to see what it will mean when all 1034 01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:26,119 three of Phoenix's best players play together. I would hope. I hope that's 1035 01:07:26,159 --> 01:07:29,119 the last time I have to say this, because you know, Beal, 1036 01:07:29,199 --> 01:07:30,920 I think got a lot of reps on the ball, and I think the 1037 01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:34,159 theory was that, you know, the Phoenix does not have a conventional point 1038 01:07:34,159 --> 01:07:36,239 guard, that they're going to play a lot, and so you know, 1039 01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:41,679 between Beal and Booker and I guess Durant some that's where your initiation is gonna 1040 01:07:41,719 --> 01:07:44,239 come from because it won't be from a kogie and it won't be from the 1041 01:07:44,239 --> 01:07:46,719 center spot except you know, Nurkic will make you know, pocket pass elbow 1042 01:07:46,719 --> 01:07:53,039 passes and stuff. But like to your point, if Beal does more of, 1043 01:07:53,199 --> 01:07:56,280 you know, some portion of the ball handling and Booker isn't just the 1044 01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:59,719 point guard the whole time, I think that frees Booker up to play even 1045 01:07:59,719 --> 01:08:02,480 better. You know, if he doesn't have to be burning calories, you 1046 01:08:02,519 --> 01:08:05,239 know, getting doubled and trapped and trying to figure out where to send the 1047 01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:09,599 ball, because that will be the I think that will be most teams approach, 1048 01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:14,360 is to really aggressively attack whoever is handling the ball because you know, 1049 01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:17,159 neither Booker nor Biale really are point guards, and that's a different kind of 1050 01:08:17,239 --> 01:08:20,880 vibe for them to sort of you know, read the floor immediately and get 1051 01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:24,680 off the ball like they want to keep it in score. That's how they're 1052 01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:29,399 wired. But if if Booker and Beale can split those duties, then I 1053 01:08:29,399 --> 01:08:32,199 think you might get the best out of Booker, like across the board right 1054 01:08:32,319 --> 01:08:35,079 like, because he is going to have to guard somebody. You know, 1055 01:08:35,079 --> 01:08:41,319 Okoge looked awesome against in the first game and he'll guard whoever is the most 1056 01:08:41,359 --> 01:08:44,319 threatening matchup. But like after that, I think you do just put Booker 1057 01:08:44,359 --> 01:08:46,680 on the other good wing and you know, put him on the point guard 1058 01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:49,960 maybe if you don't want bal to have to shoulder that. And I think 1059 01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:55,319 they get to Caterbates opted in play. I don't know if you said that, 1060 01:08:55,359 --> 01:08:57,560 Sorry if he did, and then no, no, they didn't get 1061 01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:00,720 to NOAs little until the third quarter either, and so it's just like, 1062 01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:03,399 all right, we'll run out of realistic options, right, do everything? 1063 01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:06,800 I yeah, I guess the takeaway for me is like, how good is 1064 01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:11,520 Booker going to look when he's not asked to do so much? You know, 1065 01:09:12,319 --> 01:09:15,079 I just think to your point, yeah, Yokich is the only guy 1066 01:09:15,079 --> 01:09:18,880 where you're like, well, I can't put anyone above him in the MVP 1067 01:09:19,079 --> 01:09:24,800 race for sure, Like you put Booker in the fighting chance with the Jannis 1068 01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:29,680 and Embiid and whoever Tatum whatever else you want to do there? Do we 1069 01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:31,560 want to move into stat padding before we go to the east so that I 1070 01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:36,840 can split the podcast up appropriately? Sure? Let's see, all right? 1071 01:09:38,079 --> 01:09:43,079 Uh I? I oh wait, hit us with the transition? Oh man? 1072 01:09:43,159 --> 01:09:45,880 I can't believe that. I cannot believe that to do it, I 1073 01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:55,520 keep meaning to cut it differently. But it's okay. Now it's officially stat 1074 01:09:55,600 --> 01:10:00,199 padding time. Because that's all right. I have been excited to hitch with 1075 01:10:00,239 --> 01:10:04,359 this one for a long time, ever since Rubik scal On Discord messaged me 1076 01:10:05,039 --> 01:10:12,960 a series of clues, each more devilish than the previous one for you specifically, 1077 01:10:13,159 --> 01:10:16,079 And I will not say why until you have or have not guessed this 1078 01:10:16,119 --> 01:10:25,840 person wrong. You're over one, all right. Everybody knows how this works. 1079 01:10:26,119 --> 01:10:30,079 You get some clues and you just have to guess who the clues refer 1080 01:10:30,199 --> 01:10:34,479 to. I will go o verbatim because I think I respect the effort put 1081 01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:40,119 forth here by Rubik scal On Discord. Clue number one. Unable to declare 1082 01:10:40,159 --> 01:10:43,600 for the draft after high school because of changed age restrictions. I became a 1083 01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:46,319 trendsetter by playing pro ball in Europe before I got drafted as a lottery pick. 1084 01:10:47,199 --> 01:10:51,159 Not giving you any years or anything there. Well, fuck, okay, 1085 01:10:53,119 --> 01:10:58,039 cursing. Cursing is encouraged on stat pattern because it's gonna be frustrating, 1086 01:10:58,359 --> 01:11:01,239 all right. Number two, my poet point totaling can sometimes be a thing 1087 01:11:01,239 --> 01:11:04,880 of beauty, but mostly my offensive accolades are laced with a heaping dose of 1088 01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:10,720 inefficiency. In the twenty twelve thirteen season, I became only the fourth player 1089 01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:14,560 in NBA history to average at least seventeen points per game through the first four 1090 01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:19,800 seasons of my career with a field goal clip below forty percent. Now you 1091 01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:23,640 gotta keep going. I got okay. I hope. I wonder if any 1092 01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:28,239 of the phrasing here sounds familiar to you. That's all I'll say so far. 1093 01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:31,319 On the other hand, in twenty twelve thirteen, I also became only 1094 01:11:31,319 --> 01:11:35,399 the seventh player all time to average seventeen points, five and a half assists, 1095 01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:39,319 one and a half steals, and knock down eighty plus percent of my 1096 01:11:39,359 --> 01:11:43,479 free throws through the first four seasons of my career. The fuck is this? 1097 01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:47,840 That same season, I was one of two players that averaged seventeen points, 1098 01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:50,800 six assists, one and a half steals, shooting better than thirty seven 1099 01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:54,960 percent from deep in eighty percent from the charity stripe. The other guy was 1100 01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:59,199 Steph Curry. Did you say the year on this one? We're in the 1101 01:11:59,279 --> 01:12:04,359 like twelve third team in that pocket basically, so about ten years ago. 1102 01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:11,039 You were working for Bleacher Report and writing things about ten years ago. So 1103 01:12:11,119 --> 01:12:13,760 if any other I don't want to go find it. If any of this 1104 01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:16,000 phrasing sounds familiar to you, it's because I'll just tell you now, because 1105 01:12:16,039 --> 01:12:18,720 this is the most fun part of it. This has pulled from an article 1106 01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:26,000 you wrote. No, yeah, all right, last clue, last clue 1107 01:12:26,039 --> 01:12:30,840 this, this might help I have a single fifty point game, and that 1108 01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:35,800 happened in my seventh game of my rookie season, the youngest player to have 1109 01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:40,680 a fifty burger. And I scored twenty four plus points in seven of my 1110 01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:46,000 first eleven games. Oh my god, I can give you the team. 1111 01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:53,439 So that fifty pointer came as a member of the Milwaukee Bucks. Brandon Jennings, 1112 01:12:53,560 --> 01:13:00,399 Yes, you got it. Ruvik'scal messaged me this on Discord and not 1113 01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:05,399 Everything I read you was pulled like verbatim from something you wrote. I didn't 1114 01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:09,359 go find the article, but it was. I don't know what the context 1115 01:13:09,399 --> 01:13:12,079 would have been. It was probably back when we just I want to write 1116 01:13:12,079 --> 01:13:15,239 about Brandon Jennings and you did a thousand words on Brandon Jennings in two thousand 1117 01:13:15,399 --> 01:13:23,279 whatever that was. It was so fun because reading you your own clues basic. 1118 01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:26,760 These are all clues provided by Dan fa Valley, given to Dan fa 1119 01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:31,439 Valley in the future. Basically, wow, damn okay, you got it. 1120 01:13:32,279 --> 01:13:38,720 Ruby Scale has a metric ton of other guests this player, so I 1121 01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:41,399 think we are you ready for yours? Oh God, I hope I didn't 1122 01:13:41,399 --> 01:13:44,880 write this, but yeah, I guess not, not that I could tell. 1123 01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:47,880 But so we'll do a couple of these and we'll holstter them as always. 1124 01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:50,399 To shout out to Rubiscal for sending us. I can't believe it was 1125 01:13:50,399 --> 01:13:54,920 something I wrote. Oh god, it's about time that I got shamed on 1126 01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:58,520 one of these though, So thanks for sending that to Grant. Okay Clue 1127 01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:01,640 number one at five, I am one of the shortest players who have played 1128 01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:05,600 in the NBA, though I am a good seven inches taller than Muggsy Bogues 1129 01:14:09,079 --> 01:14:12,960 CLU two. With my team down one to two in the NBA Finals, 1130 01:14:13,279 --> 01:14:16,279 my coach put me into the starting lineup, leading to my only championship ring 1131 01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:24,920 five to ten. In the starting lineup pro mey keep going, yeah, 1132 01:14:25,079 --> 01:14:29,119 keep going. CLU three. I once tried to dribble between the legs of 1133 01:14:29,159 --> 01:14:31,600 a seam to beat and by dribble between. I don't mean I tried to 1134 01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:35,119 nut make him. I mean I've literally tried to get my entire body between 1135 01:14:35,159 --> 01:14:41,319 his legs. You know it, I do? Oh God, damn it, 1136 01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:45,600 keep going, Clu four. Given my height, it is no wonder 1137 01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:46,920 that I don't get a lot of blocks. I have a career total of 1138 01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:50,640 twenty four dunks, the lowest total among players who have played at least six 1139 01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:57,039 hundred plus games since blocks started being recorded in nineteen seventy three. Is this 1140 01:14:57,119 --> 01:15:01,199 Darryl Armstrong? It is not okay, CLU five. I have a low 1141 01:15:01,319 --> 01:15:05,079 dribble, which makes it really hard for taller players to guard, aggravating those 1142 01:15:05,079 --> 01:15:12,640 who consider themselves top tier defenders. I once got closelined by Ron Artest after 1143 01:15:13,199 --> 01:15:16,479 a come from behind win against Kobe's Lakers. Later that same series, I 1144 01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:23,479 also took an Andrew Bynham elbow jj bre jj. I was ready to go 1145 01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:25,840 on the clothesline, but then I was like, no, Bynum got him. 1146 01:15:26,199 --> 01:15:30,039 Remember the Bynum foul? Okay, okay, good you not for another 1147 01:15:30,039 --> 01:15:33,039 one? Yeah, clue one. I am the youngest player who have ten 1148 01:15:33,039 --> 01:15:38,479 blocks in a game nineteen years thirteen days old. I'm also one of only 1149 01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:42,800 three players to have recorded a ten block game without committing a personal foul. 1150 01:15:43,159 --> 01:15:50,359 I did this when I was a rookie. Is this JaVale McGee No. 1151 01:15:51,319 --> 01:15:55,800 Clu two. I was selected seventeenth overall in two thousand and four by the 1152 01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:59,680 Hawks, who acquired the pick as part of the Rashid Wallace trade to Detroit. 1153 01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:03,239 What pick overall? Did you say the seventeenth in two thousand and four? 1154 01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:09,680 Seventeenth and oh four by the Hawks? Josh Smith? Yes, correct, 1155 01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:14,000 I knew you're gonna get that one. Uh, you're ready for another 1156 01:16:14,039 --> 01:16:17,399 one? Sure? In Clue one. In two thousand and four, when 1157 01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:21,439 the Charlotte Bobcats were added as the thirtieth team in the NBA, the league 1158 01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:28,680 shifted to its current organizational structure of three divisions, each comprising five teams per 1159 01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:31,680 conference. A few players have moved about multiple teams since then, but only 1160 01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:36,039 one player has played has ever played for all five teams in a division. 1161 01:16:36,159 --> 01:16:43,239 That's me is Smith. No, that was a good guest, though. 1162 01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:46,960 Clue two. I was drafted by the Grizzlies in two thousand and two and 1163 01:16:47,039 --> 01:16:54,079 promptly traded to the Calves, who assigned me to the then D League Grizzlies 1164 01:16:54,079 --> 01:17:00,800 in two Okay, keep going. I played my first NBA game in the 1165 01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:02,479 second half of the two thousand and three two thousand and four season. But 1166 01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:08,119 I bounced around a few times before I landed with Team X in two thousand 1167 01:17:08,159 --> 01:17:13,800 and six. I got nothing. Team X always throws me because that means 1168 01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:16,199 it's obvious if you give me that team though. Yeah, and there are 1169 01:17:16,199 --> 01:17:19,840 more Team Xes coming. Okay. I made a place for myself on the 1170 01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:23,520 team and in the hearts of millions of fans, as were two thousand and 1171 01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:27,720 six. Two thousand and seven, Team X returned to the postseason in spectacular 1172 01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:32,520 fashion. Oh my god, who is an six oh seven? And he 1173 01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:38,119 bounced around? I still don't have it. I bounced from team to team 1174 01:17:38,159 --> 01:17:41,119 between two thousand and eight and twenty twelve before I went back to the first 1175 01:17:41,119 --> 01:17:44,399 team I played for. I made a name for myself on this team as 1176 01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:47,960 well as a defensive presence and overall pain in the ass on a team that 1177 01:17:48,039 --> 01:17:50,800 had more than a few of those. And the first team he played for 1178 01:17:51,039 --> 01:17:57,359 was Cleveland and three to four. He said correct from an earlier cluse, 1179 01:17:57,439 --> 01:18:01,439 so he goes back to Cleveland. God, I'm my brain's not working. 1180 01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:04,560 Keep you got more? I think this is the one where you'll get it. 1181 01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:08,600 I hope. I signed with the Kings for one last season of top 1182 01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:12,439 flight basketball earnings, and I thought I was going out of the league when 1183 01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:16,000 they waived me in February twenty seventeen. But Team X had just lost one 1184 01:18:16,039 --> 01:18:20,159 of its premier scores to an mcl injury. Only days earlier. Team X 1185 01:18:20,319 --> 01:18:25,560 had agreed to sign Jose Calderon, put the injury to their star forward meant 1186 01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:29,279 they had to switch that plan and side a forward instead. Lucky me. 1187 01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:32,880 I love this one. I just I'm so jumbled. So we've played for 1188 01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:40,960 a million teams, drafted by Memphis and O two and starts starts his career 1189 01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:44,920 with the Calves and then the Kings way later get him. And this is 1190 01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:49,039 supposed to be a big deal for the Kings. You're this is the clue 1191 01:18:49,079 --> 01:18:51,520 that if you don't get him, it's the final clue. Number seven. 1192 01:18:53,479 --> 01:19:00,920 I am a native of Santa Clara, California, and I earned All American 1193 01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:05,279 honors in both basketball and football in two thousand and six, when my career 1194 01:19:05,359 --> 01:19:10,800 was going nowhere before Team X signed me, I seriously considered playing in the 1195 01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:17,600 NFL. Holy shit, I'm embarrassed. I feel like this is one of 1196 01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:20,560 the easiest ones, and I can't. I'm so confused. There's so much 1197 01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:26,159 information. York RUBY'SCA included at the bottom, what Grant's gonna kill me, 1198 01:19:26,239 --> 01:19:32,000 isn't he? It's literally what it says. He's good. Why I just 1199 01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:34,119 don't. I don't have it. Nothing's coming to me. There's I have 1200 01:19:34,159 --> 01:19:38,680 too much information. You're gonna have to tell me. I can't. Like, 1201 01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:45,439 I'm totally jumbled. I am Matt Barnes. Oh god, the football 1202 01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:48,000 thing I should have got. I don't think I knew he was drafted by 1203 01:19:48,039 --> 01:19:51,399 Memphis. I thought you would have known that he was just a native of 1204 01:19:51,399 --> 01:19:55,279 Santa Clara, California. I didn't know that, but I thought you would 1205 01:19:55,319 --> 01:19:59,199 have. Yeah, I don't think I did know that. Let's see, 1206 01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:02,840 I I've personally spoken to Matt Barnes in the locker room several times, Like 1207 01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:09,680 I've talked to him to his face. None of this came up. Didn't 1208 01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:13,680 come up. Oh gosh, okay, a great clue. I mean, 1209 01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:16,000 that's on me. I'm embarrassed. Okay, you want to do one more 1210 01:20:16,039 --> 01:20:19,680 see if you can guess? And now I'm rattled. Sure, uh there 1211 01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:26,800 is what is? This is a multiple choice one oh some multiple choice questions? 1212 01:20:27,119 --> 01:20:30,279 Please? Okay? Which one of these has made the most Which one 1213 01:20:30,319 --> 01:20:33,920 of these players has made the most threes in a single season? Dennis Scott, 1214 01:20:34,079 --> 01:20:41,640 Ray Allen or Reggie Miller? Ray Allen is the easy answer. I 1215 01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:44,359 think I'm gonna say Dennis Scott because he had the record for a minute, 1216 01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:47,039 right, But it's ray Allen major ordred sixty nine threes and five oh six 1217 01:20:47,159 --> 01:20:51,039 classic overthink three d did have two hundred and sixty seven and ninety five ninety 1218 01:20:51,039 --> 01:20:56,199 six? So is close? Which we have and we have two more? 1219 01:20:56,640 --> 01:21:00,960 Which of these? Which of these players has the most three points and three 1220 01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:05,000 pointers in a single postseason? Ray Allen, Dennis Scott or Reggie Miller? 1221 01:21:05,399 --> 01:21:08,800 Same players? I like it. I don't like this at all. Is 1222 01:21:09,199 --> 01:21:11,680 you gonna go Roy Allen the whole time? And I'm gonna talk myself out 1223 01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:18,520 of it. I'm gonna say. I think I'll just say Reggie Miller. 1224 01:21:19,079 --> 01:21:23,600 That is correct. Fifty eight makes in the two thousand playoffs. Ray Allen 1225 01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:27,119 had fifty seven in two thousand and one, and three D had fifty six 1226 01:21:27,199 --> 01:21:31,079 in nineteen ninety five. Okay, Ray Allen did shoot forty eight percent during 1227 01:21:31,079 --> 01:21:34,600 that postseason campaign, though, in case you on threes, not bad, 1228 01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:40,960 Okay, Final one and we'll save the others for another another week. Which 1229 01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:45,880 of these current Warriors players had the best assist to turnover ratio in the twenty 1230 01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:51,920 twenty two twenty twenty three season, Corey Joseph, Chris Paul or Kevon Looney. 1231 01:21:54,279 --> 01:21:58,479 I'm gonna say, Corey Joseph. The answer is Chris Paul four point 1232 01:21:58,479 --> 01:22:00,279 eight to one. Kevon Looney was four point three to one. Corey Joseph 1233 01:22:00,359 --> 01:22:03,359 was three point nine to one. I knew you were gonna trick yourself out 1234 01:22:03,359 --> 01:22:08,680 of that one. It's a classic, is the overthink. Possibilities are just 1235 01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:12,520 immense. When you put Chris Paul in an assistant turnover and when you put 1236 01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:15,439 Ray Allen in a three point question? All right, geez, okay, 1237 01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:16,680 not a strong showing by me. Okay, I have it like a little 1238 01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:20,239 bit of a change of pace here. If you're ready for some some quick 1239 01:22:20,239 --> 01:22:26,359 ones, Oh I'm ready. So you know, the the start bench cut 1240 01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:31,680 game basically that you see on Yeah, yeah, I know, don't make 1241 01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:36,000 me explain. Start pinch cut. This is the extension edition. I know 1242 01:22:36,079 --> 01:22:39,760 you did a whole, you did a pot on extensions. This will make 1243 01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:43,560 this will force you to synthesize your thoughts. Okay, So we're only dealing 1244 01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:45,279 with the guys that signed. This isn't a guessing game or anything. It's 1245 01:22:45,319 --> 01:22:51,239 just you opine here. So Anthony Edwards five years two o six, LaMelo 1246 01:22:51,319 --> 01:22:55,199 Ball five years two o six, Tyrese Haliburt five years two o six, 1247 01:22:55,239 --> 01:23:00,039 same extensions. Start bench cut from those three Anthy Edwards, Tyre Haliburton and 1248 01:23:00,119 --> 01:23:03,000 Lamello. Just based on the extension itself, which one? How do you 1249 01:23:03,079 --> 01:23:12,680 like him? I'm oh man, I'm starting Tyre's Haliburton benching Anthony Edwards cutting 1250 01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:15,079 LaMelo Ball. Wow, I love it. I love it. I love 1251 01:23:15,119 --> 01:23:19,640 your Tyr's Haliburton appreciation. All right, next tier down. Basically some of 1252 01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:24,039 this will be e this is a fantastic exercise. Nice all right, Start 1253 01:23:24,039 --> 01:23:28,319 bench cut. Devin Vessel five for one thirty five ish, Jaden McDaniels five 1254 01:23:28,359 --> 01:23:30,439 for one thirty, four for one no five sorry, five for one thirty 1255 01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:35,079 Let me start this over Dan start bench cut Devin Vessel five for one thirty 1256 01:23:35,079 --> 01:23:39,600 five, Jade McDaniels five for one thirty one, Desmond Bane five for one 1257 01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:46,000 ninety seven. Ooh no, no, no, okay, okay, I'm 1258 01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:57,760 gonna start Devin Vessel, I'm gonna bench. Don't do this to Desmond Bane. 1259 01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:01,239 You cannot you cannot cut Desmond Bine bench Desmond Baye cut Jayden McDaniels. 1260 01:24:01,319 --> 01:24:04,960 Oh, I hate myself. I thought you'd go Desmond Bay and start for 1261 01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:09,560 sure, but that's a sixty million extra, So I get it all right, 1262 01:24:10,399 --> 01:24:15,720 I'm gonna give you. I'm all right. Start bench cut Denny Avdia 1263 01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:19,880 four for fifty five, Josh Green three for forty one on Yeka kong Wu 1264 01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:25,760 four for sixty two. Oh this is easy. Start Denny bench on Yakka 1265 01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:30,439 and cut Josh Green tough break for Josh Green. All right, I'm gonna 1266 01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:34,319 put together one more here, uh, start bench cut. Zeke Naji four 1267 01:24:34,359 --> 01:24:40,319 for thirty two, Isaiah Stewart four for sixty or Cole Anthony three for thirty 1268 01:24:40,399 --> 01:24:48,399 nine. Start Cole Anthony bench Zeke cut. Why am I blanking on the 1269 01:24:48,399 --> 01:24:51,199 other name all this? No no no, no, no, no, 1270 01:24:51,199 --> 01:24:55,920 no no no no bench beef stew cut, Zeke Naji, sorry, Zeke. 1271 01:24:56,119 --> 01:24:58,640 I think that's correct. Okay, h do you have more for me? 1272 01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:01,800 I have some Wimby mania uh things for you to opine on. Yeah, 1273 01:25:02,199 --> 01:25:05,760 so let's do I have some that are that I think are fun? 1274 01:25:06,279 --> 01:25:13,600 Uh? So both of these NBA players can no longer take step back threes? 1275 01:25:14,359 --> 01:25:18,319 Who would have the better career? Great hard to finish, James Harden 1276 01:25:18,399 --> 01:25:30,279 or Luka Doncic. I think Luca has the better career because he can post 1277 01:25:30,359 --> 01:25:34,119 up still and he just he can basically not ever be too slow to be 1278 01:25:34,159 --> 01:25:38,199 effective. I think hard and if Harden didn't have the step back right now, 1279 01:25:38,359 --> 01:25:44,119 he'd be pretty cooked. I would also say Darryl Mooy having his post 1280 01:25:44,239 --> 01:25:48,960 up defense stats notwithstanding Luca just having the size would help him on defense more 1281 01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:54,880 than make him less of a liability than a James Harden's true. Okay, 1282 01:25:55,079 --> 01:26:00,720 grant life on the line. You have to bet on one of these one 1283 01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:05,520 of these players appearing in more than sixty five games this season. Kawhi, 1284 01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:17,720 Leonard, Kevin Durant, Anthony Davis, Zion Williamson. I will say that 1285 01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:23,640 Kevin Durant is most likely to play in sixty five games. Wow, and 1286 01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:26,800 I think I just died because I bet my life. There's no good answer 1287 01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:30,199 there is. This just based solely off the fact that he is the only 1288 01:26:30,279 --> 01:26:32,079 member of his son's Big three that by the time this comes out, will 1289 01:26:32,119 --> 01:26:35,079 not have missed the game through the first he's played one so far, maybe 1290 01:26:35,079 --> 01:26:39,920 two. If he played, he's played two. Two that I'm good ahead 1291 01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:42,399 of the curve. I mean, I just don't trust any of those guys. 1292 01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:45,800 I mean I think like Kawhi just no matter what, won't do it. 1293 01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:48,279 You know, like even if he stays healthy, he won't play sixty 1294 01:26:48,279 --> 01:26:51,520 five. They'll just find ways to sit him. Yeah, none of those 1295 01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:57,720 guys are playing sixty five games. You don't think I would have taken Zion. 1296 01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:03,560 I'm just reever. Why because he's due, He's ever done it. 1297 01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:09,600 That's the best logic. Yeah, it's gonna happen someday. Okay, can 1298 01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:12,279 I give you Wemby stuff or you've got more like that? More? I 1299 01:27:12,279 --> 01:27:14,439 have a couple we could do. We go to Wemby stuff that I have 1300 01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:17,680 just a couple of quick fire ones after that? All right, Dan over 1301 01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:23,720 under one point five major awards slash honors for Wemby, and I will limit 1302 01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:28,119 it to including Rookie of the Year, Defensive Player of the Year, All 1303 01:27:28,239 --> 01:27:32,439 NBA, or All Defensive. Oh so together, You're not saying he's gonna 1304 01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:35,800 make more than one all rookie ye, I'm talking about this year? Does 1305 01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:41,239 it get more than one point five major awards or honors? All Star is 1306 01:27:41,279 --> 01:27:43,840 out, like I don't. We don't care about that. So does it 1307 01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:47,600 include an All defense team? It includes All Defense, All NBA, Defensive 1308 01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:53,159 Player of the Year, Rookie of the Year. I'm gonna play the odds. 1309 01:27:54,199 --> 01:27:57,159 I'm gonna say, screw the odds and take the over. You gotta 1310 01:27:57,319 --> 01:27:59,960 you gotta take that. I didn't predict him for All defense. But I'm 1311 01:28:00,199 --> 01:28:05,039 just why not? Okay? Uh, I'm trying to think of how to 1312 01:28:05,079 --> 01:28:14,039 phrase this too. All right, Dan over or under thirteen point five blocks, 1313 01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:18,479 as Webbin Yama's single game high this season. I have to go. 1314 01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:25,720 Under thirteen point five is so absurd? Over over, I say fourteen? 1315 01:28:26,279 --> 01:28:30,159 Uh? For context, the most this century. Hassan Whiteside had twelve blocks 1316 01:28:30,159 --> 01:28:35,079 in a game in twenty fifteen. Javail had twelve in twenty eleven the most 1317 01:28:35,119 --> 01:28:41,079 blocks ever in a game. Mark Eaton had seventeen. Shack and Mi New 1318 01:28:41,159 --> 01:28:46,880 Bowl both had fifteen twice so like doable, that's you know what that? 1319 01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:50,199 This is my new take on Webbinyama. If it has been done before, 1320 01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:55,560 doable, I think you can do it. You're probably smart to go under 1321 01:28:55,600 --> 01:29:00,560 there. Okay, uh, these will be quick some yes or no slash 1322 01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:03,920 over unders okay. Dan. Will Victor Wenbinyama have a forty point game this 1323 01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:10,800 year? Yes? Will he have a fifty point game? No? Will 1324 01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:18,880 he have a twenty rebound game? Yes? Will he have a seventeen stock 1325 01:29:19,079 --> 01:29:26,680 game? So blocks plus steals no, I'll give you context on that one. 1326 01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:29,640 Elaja Want has a bunch of those in the twelve to seventeen range. 1327 01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:33,359 Draymond has a fifteen stock game. Andre Kiirlenko shout out, haven't thought about 1328 01:29:33,399 --> 01:29:36,640 him a long time has a bunch in the ten to thirteen range. Combined 1329 01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:42,439 steals and blocks U over under for Victor Wembanyama, Dan five and a half 1330 01:29:43,199 --> 01:29:46,840 made threes in a game. Five and a half made threes. I'm gonna 1331 01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:51,159 take the over nine and a half assists in a game. Over under. 1332 01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:57,439 I'm gonna take the over I wanted to give you. That's all my whimby 1333 01:29:57,479 --> 01:30:02,560 stuff specifically, But I want to give you like a will he have a 1334 01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:05,680 five by five? Or will he have like, uh, you know, 1335 01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:10,920 a quadruple double or will he have I mean, you can just opine on 1336 01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:13,680 all that stuff if you want to. But I feel like, say, 1337 01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:16,880 he's gonna get fourteen blocks in a game, I've exceeded my ridiculous Wemby statement 1338 01:30:17,079 --> 01:30:20,600 quota. I have a couple more things for you, But if you want 1339 01:30:20,680 --> 01:30:25,560 to take over, I'm ready with them. All right, I'm gonna do 1340 01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:29,119 in little groups of three here. Uh, all, none of the guys 1341 01:30:29,159 --> 01:30:30,920 I'm gonna mention have made an All Star game. You have to tell me 1342 01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:34,399 which one of the three is most likely to make their first All Star Game 1343 01:30:34,439 --> 01:30:39,880 this season? Okay, okay, so might as well start here. Uh 1344 01:30:40,159 --> 01:30:44,079 Victor webbin Yama, Evan Mobley, Desmond Bane, who's making their first All 1345 01:30:44,079 --> 01:30:48,640 Star Game this year? Victor Banyama Desmond Bane. Who's the other one? 1346 01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:58,680 Evan Mobley Evan Mobley? Okay, uh, and I really apologize, anybody 1347 01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:00,680 feel fact check me. I'm pretty sure none of these guys have made All 1348 01:31:00,680 --> 01:31:03,720 Star games. I did. I did this research, but you know mistakes 1349 01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:06,920 can be made, all right, Dan who is making his first All Star 1350 01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:11,399 Game this year? You can only choose one. Mckal Bridges, Jamal Murray 1351 01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:19,880 or Jalen Brunson Cal Bridges, Jamal Murray or Jalen Brunson Jamal Murray who's making 1352 01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:24,840 his first All Star game. Franz Wagner, Tyres Maxey or Paulo Bancaro. 1353 01:31:25,399 --> 01:31:33,079 Ooh, Tyrus Maxey. I like MAXI on that one too, all right. 1354 01:31:33,399 --> 01:31:42,279 Devin Vasel, Austin Reeves or Nick Claxton. Nick Claxton. Yeah, 1355 01:31:42,319 --> 01:31:45,159 that's a tough one. I think i'd lean Claxton. My heart wants to 1356 01:31:45,199 --> 01:31:48,159 say Vassel, though, all right, who's making his first All Star Game 1357 01:31:48,199 --> 01:31:55,600 this year? If anybody DeAndre Ayton, Scottie Barnes or Jalen Green. DeAndre 1358 01:31:55,640 --> 01:32:00,520 Ayton, Scotty Barnes, I'm gonna say Jalen Green. That one's like hard 1359 01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:04,239 in a terrible way. I'll tell you we're getting down to the maybe nobody 1360 01:32:08,039 --> 01:32:13,359 an option that's not even I'm definitely highest on Jalen Green immediately, but make 1361 01:32:13,399 --> 01:32:15,840 an All Star Game out of the West is tough, all right. I 1362 01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:20,000 was surprised. Okay, So I'll just give you the three who's making his 1363 01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:23,840 first All Star Game this year? You have to pick one Miles Turner, 1364 01:32:24,920 --> 01:32:30,680 Michael Porter Junior, or Tyler Hero And no. One's not an option. 1365 01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:34,720 None's not an option. I'm gonna say Miles Turner. I agree. I 1366 01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:39,840 was kind of surprised that he hadn't made one because he's like quietly been around 1367 01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:45,680 for a lot longer than you think. That is all I got. Okay, 1368 01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:47,119 So we'll wrap up with this. There's more that we have, but 1369 01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:55,279 let's just do dis quick exercise. Which NBA player has more seasons in which 1370 01:32:55,319 --> 01:33:00,239 they averaged thirty points or more per game? Michael Jordan or Wilt Chamberlain. 1371 01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:08,640 I'll say, Will, it's Michael Jordan eight to seven. Oh, at 1372 01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:16,920 least it's close, okay. Uh, Kobe Bryant or Kevin Durant. Mm 1373 01:33:15,079 --> 01:33:20,680 hmm, I'm gonna say Kobe, that is correct. Three to two, 1374 01:33:21,319 --> 01:33:27,920 Lebron James or Alan Iverson, Alan Iverson four to three? Nice one by 1375 01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:38,319 you? Uh? Okay, Steph Curry or Luka doncic Oh. Let's see, 1376 01:33:38,520 --> 01:33:41,840 I'm gonna say Steph do you have two? Yeah? Three? That 1377 01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:49,279 only has one right now, James Harden or Damian Lillard Harden that is correct 1378 01:33:49,279 --> 01:33:51,640 three to two. I thought that would be an easy one for you. 1379 01:33:53,279 --> 01:33:59,399 And finally George Jrt Nope, gonna have to have to throw that one out. 1380 01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:15,159 Sorry, yeah, okay, Oscar Robinson or Kareem Abdul Jabbar oh Oscar 1381 01:34:15,159 --> 01:34:18,079 played when like everybody was scoring a million points, but Kareem played a trillion 1382 01:34:18,119 --> 01:34:26,800 season. So I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say Robertson, that is correct 1383 01:34:27,079 --> 01:34:30,039 six to four. I thought that one was gonna trip you up. Six 1384 01:34:30,159 --> 01:34:32,239 thirty point seasons. I'll give you. I'll give you a bonus one though, 1385 01:34:32,479 --> 01:34:41,720 Joel Embiid or Russell Westbrook, I'm gonna say Russ Nope, Joel b 1386 01:34:41,840 --> 01:34:45,279 two to one, Oh yeah, second one. Okay, dang those are 1387 01:34:45,319 --> 01:34:47,680 hard. Grant, this was fun. Do you want to take us out 1388 01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:50,439 of here? Though? I agree? This was fun. Yeah. So 1389 01:34:50,920 --> 01:34:58,520 especially thank you everybody that offered up, everything from guests of that player that 1390 01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:00,199 we've done in the past to all of these hot or not. Thank you 1391 01:35:00,239 --> 01:35:03,399 for listening, Thank you for participating. 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