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Our next segment comes to us from
the Christian Science Monitor, published July eighteenth

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by Ingrid Allgred titled Computer Generated Prayer. How AI is changing Faith? This

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is really exciting. It's talking about
how science and AI specifically is sort of

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filling the gap that has been lost
in the religious space. What have you

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got for Scott, Well, basically, we're seeing the old world colliding with

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the new world, right, and
let's be honest here, the new World's

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gonna win. Okay, this is
a this is not This is a very

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lopsided battle. Like the Borg from
Star Trek used to say, you will

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be assimilated, your uniqueness will be
added to our collective resistance as futile.

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So, but it's interesting to see
how different different churches and different groups and

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different people react to this kind of
thing, react to this advent of AI.

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Although AI has been around for a
long time in various uh stages of

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development, but now we're trying to
we're kind of seeing it seep into the

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public arena with you know, chat
partners and writing papers and well even for

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like I'm a math teacher, we
we see this all the time. We

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we I'll even go onto the websites
and look for how various websites will solve

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a particular problem. And then I
can spot cheaters by saying, oh,

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we didn't learn it that way,
you did it exactly the same way that

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you know, whatever website. But
but it's interesting to see how different groups

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respond. We have some groups that
are that are diving in whole hog,

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you know, the big They got
the multiple screens up in the in the

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U in the sanctuary, they got
the rock band up at the front,

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they got the websites going, they
have multiple social media people talking about things

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they have. There's all this stuff. And then on the other end of

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the spectrum we have the the Internet
is the devil and and and all of

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that kind of stuff. And so
it's it's interesting from from from someone who

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for someone who is interested in the
human condition and the way people, you

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know, act and think and do
things. It's very interesting to watch how

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how and and it seems like something
very trivial, but really it's something that

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dominates all of our lives. You
know, we're on these on our devices

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and on our technology most of the
time these days, and so it seems

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like something that's just kind of sneaking
in UM. But really it's it's a

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very dominant thing. I don't know, Mally, what are your thoughts on

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that. Well. I can see
why church folks would be a little bit

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scared of this UM for a variety
of reasons. I don't quite see why

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they would embrace it so much other
than to, you know, just keep

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the audience if they genuinely want to
reach hearts and minds. I can read

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you that board quote again. If
you want, you will be assimilated.

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Uh yeah, one way or the
other. UM. But you know,

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I think if I were a churchgoer, I would be one of those folks

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who was scared to death of this
thing. And the big question for me

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is where is the whole spirit supposed
to come in in this mix? Because,

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okay, the Holy Spirit's supposed to
influence the pastor to come up with

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the message, and then the Holy
Spirit is supposed to convey that message unto

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the ears of the congregation and interpret
it for them and parse it out for

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them and spoon feed it to them. But you know, if AI is

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coming up with the message, you
know that's you know, they took the

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Holy Spirit's job away. And so
where is the what's the Holy Spirit going

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to do? Now? Like all
it's relegated to just taking the message that's

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been remixed and turning it into something
good enough. And you know, if

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that's the case, you have pastors
are obsolete and the whole, the whole

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you know, inspiration thing is threatened
by that. And then on the other

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end, you know, if the
Holy Spirit is supposed to be, you

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know, on the pastor's end,
and it's about you know, the Bible

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has that analogy of the seed falls
where it will on the stony ground or

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the soft ground or whatever, you
know, So it seems like the Holy

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Spirit is the messenger and we can
take it or leave it. So either

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way you interpret it, this interpret
this, this is going to be an

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issue on you know, the giving
end or on the receiving end. Also

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just the uncanny Valley aspect of it, right, I mean, this is

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spirituality we're talking about, and if
robots can do everything that spirituality can do,

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maybe that betrays some kind of Hey, this is all just psychological manipulation,

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you know, distillable down to an
algorithm, and we're really that able

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to be deceived that easily and manipulated
that easily by a simple algorithm, and

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I think that's scary, and um, well, you know if you're a

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churchgoer, that's scary. It's just
fast sinating if you if you just like

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facts, right, it depends on
which side of the glass you're watching from,

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right. Yeah, you know,
when I saw the headline to this,

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I cracked up because I you probably
know, I maybe you know,

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and I do a lot of work
with Truth Wanted, and this was just

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something to write up that alley.
So I'm always looking at because I'm always

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looking up at conspiracy theories, and
one are the ones that's really started to

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spread in the last year or so
is that since God made it so that

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demons could not talk directly to human
beings, demons have created AI to talk

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to humans. So I saw this
headline and I'm like, oh, great,

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the demons are making our prayers for
us now, isn't that double wins?

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Double wins? So I got a
real kick out of the headline here,

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But it kind of it, you
know, I have a little bit

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of an evil side. I'm gonna
I'm gonna admit that I've been known to

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spread that rumor around some YouTube channels
that probably shouldn't have been that I shouldn't

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have been at the beginning with.
But they were talking about the image that

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m Well, I got the image
that they talked about being described in the

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Lutheran Church in Germany of the avatar
and the sermon written by chet GPT and

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all I could think of was,
what did that avatar look like? Did

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it have horns? Guy, I
couldn't help with doing nothing but laugh about

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this story before I lose it again. Chris, you want to take it

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from me? Yeah, so like
this this is really exciting to me,

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A bit of a different take than
Malli there. I think it's it's super

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exciting from the other side of the
aisle. I understand if you're in church,

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how scary this sort of thing can
be. The first thing that really

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stuck out to me in this article
was the statistics that they gave us right

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at the beginning, um sort of
the reasoning that AI has taken such a

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such a spot here in the faith
community, and that is how median attendance

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and weekly services is dropped by more
than like fifty percent in the last twenty

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years, and in the last three
years we've seen monthly attendance even dropping by

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about a percent a year, and
that is great news. UM unfortunately doesn't

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seem to have to have had an
impact on the vocal minority, unfortunately.

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But I guess when you're really just
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you don't need to attend services that
they isn't that the silent majority that you're

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talking about, the silent majority?
They sure talk a lot for being a

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silent majority. Yeah, right,
people as a majority either. It's also

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just kind of funny to me how
a group whose beliefs, like their core

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fundamental beliefs are sort of antithetical to
science are now like really leaning into it,

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embracing it and embracing it exactly.
Uh. And I don't know if

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you guys have ever had a conversation
with chat GPT or gotten in on the

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app and like sort of talk to
it. UM. It's really hard,

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and it's so funny. It's so
fun to just go in there and just

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ask you questions and try to get
it to nail down an answer. But

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when it comes down to asking it
questions about things like God and and core

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beliefs and truth, it's really hard
hard to get it to nail down because

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it's it fundamentally doesn't want to offend
anybody. But if you really narrow it

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down, chat GPT in and of
itself can't help but admit that there's no

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evidence. So I'm wondering how long
it's going to take for AI to sort

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of start dropping these hints into its
sermons, and if it's going to be

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the profit that's going to slowly lead
everyone out and sort of you know,

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that would be an ending of that
movie. That might be what causes the

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Christians to finally drop it. I
know, it's like reading it some of

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the responses from people from other fates. It was only the Christians that were

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embracing this. There was a Jewish
rabbi that was consulted. There was somebody

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from another religion too, I can't
remember off the bed, but they both

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thought it was a bad idea.
It was only the Christians that were embracing

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it. And I thought that was
kind of interesting, you know, going

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off of what Mally was saying earlier
about you know, how how is this

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working? You know what this is
chat GPT kind of usurping the Holy Spirit?

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And I know that's kind of a
topic in the news lately with the

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you know, stuff going on in
Hollywood. And actually even former nonprophet Jeff

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d who's an artist and a game
designer, he's very avidly um, you

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know, in favor of artist rites
and he's he often talks a lot about

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how um, you know, it's
putting people out of work, and I

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wonder if that's part of what's going
on here this Uh, Kelly, you

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mentioned um other other religions here.
This is a quote from the article.

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Reverend Jabulani McCalister, senior pastor at
Covenant Baptist Church in West Bloomfield, Michigan,

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says that he won't use AI to
write a sermon. And I thought

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this was really interesting. He said, for me, the Holy Spirit gives

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me what to say, not AI. When it comes to the sermon,

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you're proclaiming the word of God that
He's given you to share. And so

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I was why, I mean,
wasn't there a Storian about talking to a

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burning bush and or a talking donkey, or having visions of angels and your

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dreams? And you know, why
can't the Holy Spirit speak through an AI?

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I mean, because the demons are
controlling it. Well, if it

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could be a demon, it couldn't
it be the whole I mean, come

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on, there's got to be you
know, we have the we have the

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red AI, as we have to
have a white AI out there somewhere or

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otherwise there's not going to be any
story going on here. You know,

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we have to have that competition.
But you know, if if if God

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can't compete with an Ai, there
you go. I mean that's that's that's

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a challenge and a conclusion right there. If God can't compete with an AI,

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then uh well, there you go. We have the AI. You

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know what do we need the rest
of it for? That's what I would

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be sorry, you're fine, go
ahead, That's what That's exactly why I

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would be afraid of it if I
was a church person, because I wouldn't

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want to test the theory that my
God can be better than an AI because

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the AI is going to eventually if
they can't already come up with a better

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sermon and come up with better you
know, messages from an almighty you can

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already asks get to give you a
holy message in it? Will you know?

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It's it's a threat. I would
be absolutely terrified. I wonder if

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it's like a Wizard of oz you
know, look behind the curtain kind of

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situation. You know, it's like
we're all impressed by this big and great

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and powerful oz Oh. But this
is what's really causing it, is this

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mechanism behind the scenes here, this
guy pulling these levers and stuff. You

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know, it's kind of well,
there you go, that's how we get

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it. Boy, Look at that
sermon's exactly the same as that sermon.

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This one was made by an algorithm. This one was made by somebody with

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a soul or what you know whatever. I wonder if that's part of it

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is that it's the soul list nature
of an ai. Here was another quote.

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This one was from a Hindu.
Right, this is a dial Garannga.

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He's the executive director of Manhattan's Bakti
Center, which represents Hinduism's tradition of

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Bakti yoga. He said, what
makes something powerful is when there's a lived

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experience of something. You're not going
to get that just by generating a message

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about it. And I told disagree, I totally disagree. I think when

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people make connections to to to a
message, or to to a sermon,

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or to a book or to you
know, a story, that they're listening

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to. It's they are providing the
personal connection. They are drawing the meaning

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out of the words. It's not
it's not that there was some kind of

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magical you know, it doesn't have
to be magic that makes the message in

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the first place. You know,
if there is any magic happening there,

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it's it's on the on the understanding
side. Meaning is from is by definition

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a subjective experience, and it needs
a subject to be experiencing that. So

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you know, if if they're saying
that, okay, well this is maybe

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the devil or the demon or whatever, because you know, there's no life

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experience under their well, life experience
is not really all that different than any

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other kind of experience. It's just
happens to be about life. You know,

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there's nothing special about um a person
saying something versus versus an AI saying

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something, because, like I said, the meaning comes on the on the

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tail, it comes on it's it's
the user experience, not the server's experience.

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I don't know who wants who has
to pick up there. Well,

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at the end of the day,
when you're pulling all your information from the

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same source and all you're doing is
sort of jumbling you know, the information

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and ideas around to come up with
your sermon. An algorithm in a human

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being are virtually indistinguishable, especially when
you have an AI that it literally is

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always learning and it's going to find
better ways to put things together. Right.

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I think a lot along with what
Mallie was saying, AI from the

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Christian perspective is potentially the proverbial silver
bullet that kills religion, especially once those

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sermons start to become completely indistinguishable from
something that could have been written by human

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being, and you show that the
divine nature of whatever the whatever it is

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that you think is is the Holy
Spirit, the divine nature of the Holy

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Spirit that is helping you write these
sermons can be replicated, but we've got

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to be careful before we call it
a silver bullet. Remember, you know,

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way back in the day, the
Catholic Church used to have illegal to

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have a Bible that's not in Latin, right, And that's because the they

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didn't want people accessing the information themselves. They wanted to control through their people.

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And then you know that changed and
now everybody has a Bible and you

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know it's it's didn't ruin religion.
I think it's pretty safe to say religion

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still around after that. And so
um, you know, religions is slipping

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slippery little concept there, and it
can it can find its way, It

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can adapt, ironically, can adapt
to different situations, and so UM,

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I think what we would see is
is a new interesting, well maybe not

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interesting, but a new adaptive approach
to religion. Um. One of the

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one of the things that worries me
about AI is is that it's good at

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pattern matching and so um. And
that's something that human beings are are naturally

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good at. But but we can't
process the amount of data that an AI

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can at an instant and so so
we're going to see AIS. We already

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see it in our our advertising when
we're online. You know, it's I

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was just talking about that the other
day, and you know that kind of

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stuff, and so we're going to
see that if AI starts taking over our

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religions too, it's gonna be here's
the exact Jesus quote you're going to need

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right at this particular moment, and
here's you know, let me throw some

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of this information as you're right when
you need. It's going to be.

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You know, people are can be
manipulated in that in that way, and

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that's there's cause for concern there.
I you know, I hope it's a

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silver bullet, but we'll have to
see, you know, not everything's vulnerable

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to silver bullets. Well, it
all depends on how you're going to be

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using it too. I think it's
kind of interesting to quote here in the

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article from a Lutheran pastor, Trevor
Sutton, a Trevor Sutton who's explaining that

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he has no intention of using AI
to write his sermons, but because of

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the drop in attendance in physical attendance
and the stats that are saying that within

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twenty years, like fifteen to twenty
percent of physical churches are going to have

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to close. Uh, they would
like to use it as a tool to

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help retain the community. So they're
going to try their very best to integrate

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it in a way that doesn't allow
it to come a silver bullet. That

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seems awfully vague. Yeah, let's
just use it to make things better,

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you know, Yeah, go with
that. Yeah, all right. Well,

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