WEBVTT 1 00:00:10.759 --> 00:00:17.000 Me Hi Megan, And that was my terrible attempt at Mike Myer's music do 2 00:00:16.760 --> 00:00:21.440 do like you guys needed to see it. She was doing like a full 3 00:00:21.760 --> 00:00:27.480 DJ set here and one hand on the headphones, the other hand twist in 4 00:00:27.600 --> 00:00:34.759 the record. Sleigh, Sleigh, how are you all? How are you 5 00:00:34.799 --> 00:00:44.679 guys? So this weink I have what I would describe as a spooky episode, 6 00:00:44.719 --> 00:00:48.719 but it's not really spooky, but like you know, it's what a 7 00:00:48.880 --> 00:00:53.719 movie is based off of, so you're gonna like it. Yeah. So, 8 00:00:54.000 --> 00:01:00.560 if y'all remember, was it last year I covered the real life Conjuring 9 00:01:00.600 --> 00:01:04.799 movie. I think it was last year, earlier this year, one or 10 00:01:04.840 --> 00:01:08.680 the other. Eh, it was some time ago, at some point, 11 00:01:08.840 --> 00:01:12.799 at some point in our recording history, I talked about the Conjuring movie. 12 00:01:14.000 --> 00:01:19.000 Well, I have another installment for y'all. This one is the Devil Made 13 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:23.719 Me do it? Break it down for me, Nave, let's go and 14 00:01:25.519 --> 00:01:29.280 don't go see the movie. The movie is terrible, probably one of the 15 00:01:29.319 --> 00:01:33.400 worst in the Conjuring franchise. Yes, I would definitely say one of the 16 00:01:33.400 --> 00:01:38.000 worst in the Conjuring franchise, but it's not the worst. It's not the 17 00:01:38.040 --> 00:01:42.200 worst. It is what is that. The last Insidious movie that came out 18 00:01:42.519 --> 00:01:48.480 is ass it's so bad. I haven't seen it, but and Carlin was 19 00:01:48.519 --> 00:01:55.719 like, they freaking reused scenes from the I didn't even notice. Yeah, 20 00:01:55.799 --> 00:01:59.599 Carlin was like, they reused a couple of jump scares, and he was 21 00:01:59.599 --> 00:02:01.560 like, that's the fucking cop out, you know what I mean. Did 22 00:02:01.599 --> 00:02:07.519 he say anything about the like the monsters get up in it, the villains 23 00:02:07.560 --> 00:02:12.840 get up? No, but he finds that villain super hilarious anyway, Like 24 00:02:12.960 --> 00:02:15.479 in the first Insidious he laughs when he pops up on screen and is like, 25 00:02:17.400 --> 00:02:20.919 he is funny. But like in the movie, there's a whole bunch 26 00:02:21.000 --> 00:02:24.800 of different ghosts and stuff and it is like a thirteen year old got their 27 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:29.879 hands and special effects make up. Oh god, it is so bad. 28 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:34.520 I was. It actually put me off through the whole movie because it is 29 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:38.719 just terrible. God. But then this movie that we're going to talk about 30 00:02:38.719 --> 00:02:43.919 today, in its own right, if it was a standalone movie, it's 31 00:02:44.000 --> 00:02:50.280 fine, But as part of the Conjuring series, it's not. The Conjuring 32 00:02:50.319 --> 00:02:53.840 I think just started off on such a high. The first two were so 33 00:02:53.039 --> 00:03:00.319 good, and then one of the Annabelles was really good. I feel it 34 00:03:00.360 --> 00:03:04.319 was the middle one. I feel like it was the I can't remember their 35 00:03:04.400 --> 00:03:09.000 names. I don't know the roommates that originally had Annabelle. No, is 36 00:03:09.039 --> 00:03:14.520 that it the one where they're on a firm? Oh my god? And 37 00:03:14.639 --> 00:03:20.159 doesn't I can't remember I'm getting them one that I'm on about is So it's 38 00:03:20.479 --> 00:03:23.759 like, if you were to go in chronological order of the Annabelle's, it 39 00:03:23.800 --> 00:03:32.919 would be the first one, like it's the one about how she How do 40 00:03:34.000 --> 00:03:38.800 I describe this? There's Annabelle Comes Home, which was terrible. There was 41 00:03:39.159 --> 00:03:45.000 Annabelle. I can't remember their names any hoodles. It's like the second Annabelle 42 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:47.879 movie. That one's very good, and the first two Conjuring movies are very 43 00:03:47.919 --> 00:03:54.280 good. And that's pretty much that are all in the top tier. Wait, 44 00:03:54.319 --> 00:04:00.159 hold on, Paranormal Activity? Is that is that in this it was 45 00:04:00.240 --> 00:04:04.439 not really in the same like it vision, but it's in the same world 46 00:04:04.479 --> 00:04:09.560 because it's demons. I I remember I went to see Paranormal Activity in the 47 00:04:09.599 --> 00:04:12.960 cinema for my birthday one year, and I freaking shit myself because it was 48 00:04:12.960 --> 00:04:16.839 like for my like tenth birthday or twelfth birthday or some shit, and I 49 00:04:16.879 --> 00:04:21.560 was like that. But then when I rewatch it, I was like, 50 00:04:23.680 --> 00:04:25.839 that wasn't scary. It wasn't the first one, I don't think. I 51 00:04:25.839 --> 00:04:28.079 think it was like the second one or the third one that we went to 52 00:04:28.079 --> 00:04:31.800 go see, the one with all the the one with all the fucking witches 53 00:04:31.879 --> 00:04:35.040 or nuns or whatever. Yeah, I don't know, Yeah I don't. 54 00:04:35.079 --> 00:04:39.319 I don't like that one either. I don't think that's a very good one. 55 00:04:39.319 --> 00:04:44.040 But the very first original one I loved. I when I first saw 56 00:04:44.519 --> 00:04:47.480 I loved it and I was like, Wow, that's so cool. And 57 00:04:47.560 --> 00:04:53.759 then I learned that they had multiple different endings and I was like, nah, 58 00:04:53.759 --> 00:04:58.399 that just ruins it, Like it ruined the whole Is that real? 59 00:04:59.199 --> 00:05:02.040 Even though you knew, oh yeah, you knew it wasn't real, but 60 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:05.240 it also was like, oh, but imagine. And then it was like, 61 00:05:05.319 --> 00:05:10.000 oh yeah, but there's like five different endings and you're like you've killed 62 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:12.680 it. Because that was the thing when it came out in the movies, 63 00:05:12.920 --> 00:05:15.959 was like it's this is all based on a real story and whatever. But 64 00:05:16.160 --> 00:05:20.399 they can say that, like the movie The Strangers. I remember somebody telling 65 00:05:20.399 --> 00:05:25.319 me it's just based on the writer was home alone one night and somebody knocked 66 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:27.560 on his door and he just didn't answer it, and that was it. 67 00:05:28.079 --> 00:05:33.240 And I think it's based off real murders where they have masks on. Yeah, 68 00:05:33.279 --> 00:05:36.160 that's based off a real murder. I'm pretty sure it was. Oh 69 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:41.759 my god, yeah, yeah, I know it. That's somebody. Okay, 70 00:05:41.879 --> 00:05:48.240 I was lied to anyway. But they can say anything. Is basically 71 00:05:48.399 --> 00:05:55.000 they can take a like somewhat true story and they can literally spin it to 72 00:05:55.120 --> 00:05:58.160 fit whatever the way they want it and then be like, this is based 73 00:05:58.199 --> 00:06:03.759 off true events, because technically is based off of it's like inspired by That 74 00:06:03.879 --> 00:06:09.480 is what made me like really scared going to see paranormal activity was the whole. 75 00:06:09.480 --> 00:06:13.040 It's based on a true story. And this is found footage. Yeah, 76 00:06:13.079 --> 00:06:15.079 which is what we have here, a based off of a true story 77 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:18.360 event. And I'm about to tell you the true story laid on me. 78 00:06:18.879 --> 00:06:25.519 Ernie Cheyenne Johnson was born in nineteen sixty two. Not much is really known 79 00:06:25.560 --> 00:06:30.879 about his childhood, Like could barely find where he was born, you know, 80 00:06:31.879 --> 00:06:35.439 okay it was there was not much at all. He was described as 81 00:06:35.519 --> 00:06:39.720 very friendly and no one really had a bad word to say about him. 82 00:06:40.759 --> 00:06:44.519 He would often take his sister's fishing, and he would spend time with them. 83 00:06:45.040 --> 00:06:48.399 I think his mother had I think he had. He either had two 84 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:55.279 or three sisters, and then his mother also took in two nieces, so 85 00:06:55.600 --> 00:07:00.480 two of his cousins, oh okay, to care for as well. He 86 00:07:00.639 --> 00:07:04.439 sang in the church choir. He was you know, he's a little boy. 87 00:07:05.240 --> 00:07:12.000 His parents divorced when he was just four years old. His mother struggled 88 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:15.439 to support Oh yeah, here, his mother struggled to support him and his 89 00:07:15.560 --> 00:07:20.160 two sisters and a niece. She'd taken the niece in like full time, 90 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:25.399 like she basically got custody of Denise. I don't know what the story is 91 00:07:25.439 --> 00:07:29.720 behind us, couldn't find it anywhere. There's it is what it is. 92 00:07:30.639 --> 00:07:33.040 Ernie had attempted to live with his dad for a little while when he was 93 00:07:33.120 --> 00:07:38.519 like roughly I think thirteen or fourteen. He was like entering his like teenage 94 00:07:38.680 --> 00:07:43.480 years, and it didn't really go very well, and he ended up having 95 00:07:43.480 --> 00:07:46.360 to move back home to his mom's at sixteen years old. He dropped out 96 00:07:46.360 --> 00:07:50.360 of high school to get a job to try help his mother in supporting the 97 00:07:50.399 --> 00:07:54.319 family because he was like, I'm the man of the house, you know, 98 00:07:54.560 --> 00:07:58.759 like I'm a help out best I can let the girls get like their 99 00:07:58.879 --> 00:08:03.120 education and stuff. Oh, bless, now, this is a big gross. 100 00:08:03.279 --> 00:08:07.279 When Ernie was just twelve years old, he met Debbie Glatzel. She 101 00:08:07.399 --> 00:08:13.360 was working in a supermarket and she accidentally knocked over a display and he went 102 00:08:13.439 --> 00:08:16.680 over to help her. Debbie was nineteen years old. Oh no, I 103 00:08:16.800 --> 00:08:22.279 hate everything about that. And she became close friends with Ernie's mother, and 104 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:28.839 then a few years later, Ernie and Debbie began dating despite their seven year 105 00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:35.320 age gap. No, it's unclear when, Like, it's unclear when they 106 00:08:35.720 --> 00:08:39.960 started dating, Like, it's unclear on whether it was when he was fifteen 107 00:08:41.159 --> 00:08:45.279 or when he was seventeen. They say it was from I'm pretty sure they 108 00:08:45.320 --> 00:08:50.240 say they started dating when he was seventeen. But then are they just saying 109 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:56.799 that because that's when he was legal. Yeah, and either way, it's 110 00:08:56.840 --> 00:08:58.639 weird. You met him when he was twelve, Yeah, exactly. You 111 00:08:58.679 --> 00:09:05.200 watched him grow up and go through like childhood and majorhood. Weird people that 112 00:09:05.440 --> 00:09:11.320 watch somebody grow up and then go after them. Yeah. Debbie moved in 113 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:16.159 with Ernie and his family, and it was so that they could save for 114 00:09:16.200 --> 00:09:18.840 a house of their own. They were like super duper in love. In 115 00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:24.159 nineteen eighty, the couple found a small house to rent. They accepted it, 116 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:28.000 and the plan was that Ernie and Debbie, along with Ernie's family, 117 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:33.320 would move into this new house. They were all extremely exciting excited about moving 118 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:37.759 in, and Debbie even described it as quote, it was like my dream 119 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:43.159 house. I thought we could build a beautiful life there. The dream sadly 120 00:09:43.159 --> 00:09:48.559 didn't last too long. When Debbie, Ernie, and a couple of her 121 00:09:48.600 --> 00:09:54.840 family all went to the house to clean, to clean it and prepare it 122 00:09:54.919 --> 00:09:58.600 for life moving in. Yeah, you know, see what needed to be 123 00:09:58.759 --> 00:10:07.000 fixed or you know, oh that jazz when something unexpected happened. Oh no. 124 00:10:07.720 --> 00:10:13.799 Debbie's brother, David, who was eleven years old, was remarkably close 125 00:10:15.480 --> 00:10:20.120 with Ernie, and he often would play with his sister's boyfriend, and you 126 00:10:20.159 --> 00:10:24.440 know, he he loved them. He was like, he's part of the 127 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:31.320 family. So he wanted to go with the family and Debbie and Ernie to 128 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:33.440 go clean the house. So they're like, yeah, you come alone, 129 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:39.960 Yeah, yeah, come on, let's go. When they got to the 130 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:45.720 house. They discovered that the previous tenants had left behind some furniture. I 131 00:10:45.759 --> 00:10:50.960 think there was like a sofa, like a table, and then I think 132 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:56.639 there was a bed left in the master bedroom. Okay, David was asked 133 00:10:56.720 --> 00:11:03.080 to clean the master bedroom and as he was doing so, he all of 134 00:11:03.080 --> 00:11:09.279 a sudden ran screaming from the house. So naturally all the family go out 135 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:13.759 after him, and they're like, what's wrong, What's going on? Why 136 00:11:13.799 --> 00:11:16.840 did you just literally leave the house screaming? Yeah, creepy. He was 137 00:11:16.879 --> 00:11:22.679 claiming that he saw an old man who was burnt and blacklocking like who was 138 00:11:22.720 --> 00:11:26.799 all like charcoaled, you know, like, and he said that the figure 139 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:31.440 was telling him to beware and to get out of the house. That's nightmare 140 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:35.279 fuel m. In the new documentary, he said that he was pushed onto 141 00:11:35.320 --> 00:11:41.519 the bed. I hate that he refused to go back into the house. 142 00:11:41.039 --> 00:11:46.320 He waited until everybody was finished doing their jobs. Like he waited outside until 143 00:11:46.360 --> 00:11:48.919 everybody was finished in the house, and then they all went home. They 144 00:11:48.919 --> 00:11:56.360 were like telling Debbie's mother about what had happened and what he had claimed to 145 00:11:56.399 --> 00:12:03.200 see. And while like Debbie and Ernie and Debbie's mother were all talking. 146 00:12:03.759 --> 00:12:07.559 David came out of his room, saying that he was still having visions of 147 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:11.279 the old man, but now he could hear his voice. David said that 148 00:12:11.360 --> 00:12:15.120 he could see that the old man had an animal trapped in the house and 149 00:12:15.159 --> 00:12:18.720 that he was torturing it. He could see the animal scratching at the front 150 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:24.519 door, trying to get out of the house. Every time David talked about 151 00:12:26.039 --> 00:12:30.279 what he was seeing, like what these visions were, he would add more 152 00:12:30.360 --> 00:12:35.039 and more details. Yeah, just leave the kid there, move house. 153 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:41.120 David said that the old man had hooves for feet, and sometimes there would 154 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:46.200 be more men around him. Hooves for feet. That's not very practical, 155 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:50.159 No, it's really not. Debbie was starting to feel a little uneasy about 156 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:56.320 the move, but they had put quite literally all of their savings into it, 157 00:12:56.519 --> 00:13:01.320 so they couldn't really afford to back out. They'd like paid like two 158 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:07.399 months rent in advanced, like plus the deposit and you know for other things 159 00:13:07.399 --> 00:13:09.480 as well. So they were like, they kind of can't really get out 160 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:13.759 of this. That's the thing. Everybody just says, like, oh, 161 00:13:13.000 --> 00:13:16.080 just get up and move. People can't afford to just get up and move. 162 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:22.279 Literally the next day, Ernie and Debbie went back to the house to 163 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:26.080 continue setting up for their move when they noticed scratches on the back of the 164 00:13:26.080 --> 00:13:31.519 front door. Mixed in with what David had been saying the night previous, 165 00:13:31.799 --> 00:13:35.000 they were just like, ah, fucking shit, yeah, of course. 166 00:13:35.279 --> 00:13:39.039 Ernie said that when he saw the scratches quote, I was starting to really 167 00:13:39.120 --> 00:13:43.200 question, well, maybe something definitely is wrong here. Despite having paid their 168 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:46.960 two months rent upfront, the couple decided that they just could not move into 169 00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:54.480 the house. Ernie's mother wasn't so convinced about what was going on, and 170 00:13:54.519 --> 00:13:58.759 she wasn't so convinced that there was actually anything to worry about. She had 171 00:13:58.759 --> 00:14:03.840 given her landlord her notice of the move, and she was relying on moving 172 00:14:03.879 --> 00:14:07.720 in with Ernie and Debbie. So Ernie's mother moved into the house with her 173 00:14:07.759 --> 00:14:13.679 two daughters and her niece, despite Ernie and Debbie refusing. Ernie and Debbie 174 00:14:13.679 --> 00:14:18.200 were left with no other choice but to move in with Debbie's family to try 175 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:20.639 to save some more money, because obviously they put so much into the move. 176 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:26.879 Debbie then claimed that David told her that the old man that he was 177 00:14:26.919 --> 00:14:31.320 seeing was angry at him for telling Ernie and Debbie not to move into the 178 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:37.039 house. He began calling the old man the beast, which is what I'll 179 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:41.279 be referring to it as now on. He said that the beast wanted to 180 00:14:41.320 --> 00:14:46.639 take his soul and that the beast would push him and scratch him. Ernie 181 00:14:46.679 --> 00:14:52.919 later claimed that quote the fear in this child was overwhelming. Something was going 182 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:58.559 wrong, and I believed him. The next day, Ernie and Debbie decided 183 00:14:58.600 --> 00:15:03.000 to take David out for the day, like, took him to like the 184 00:15:03.039 --> 00:15:05.799 park and did some things with them. They were like, look, this 185 00:15:07.279 --> 00:15:13.799 kid is after seeing something something at the house and so after freaking them out, 186 00:15:13.840 --> 00:15:16.759 and now he's having nightmares. And so they were like, we'll take 187 00:15:16.799 --> 00:15:18.919 him out and we'll, you know, cheer them up. Yeah, because 188 00:15:18.919 --> 00:15:24.919 even if he didn't see anything, the child is still absolutely terrified. Exactly 189 00:15:24.120 --> 00:15:30.559 exactly. Everything was going really well until they got back to the house and 190 00:15:30.639 --> 00:15:35.000 David like, they're in Debbie's homehouse now. And they got back to the 191 00:15:35.000 --> 00:15:41.159 homehouse and David refused to go back inside. It took a lot of convincing 192 00:15:41.320 --> 00:15:43.639 to get him to go into the house. They finally managed to get him 193 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:50.639 in, and then later that night, David was attacked by an unseen force 194 00:15:50.720 --> 00:15:54.240 according to Ernie and David, or Ernie and Debbie. So this happened in 195 00:15:54.279 --> 00:15:58.720 Debbie's homehouse, not in the new rented house, not in that in their 196 00:15:58.720 --> 00:16:03.240 homehouse. Why didn't he go into the homehouse. So he was claiming that 197 00:16:03.279 --> 00:16:07.879 the beast had followed him from the rented house to his homehouse, and now 198 00:16:07.919 --> 00:16:12.559 the beast was mad at him because he told Debbie and Ernie not to move 199 00:16:12.600 --> 00:16:18.360 in, and so now the beast wanted his soul so once, even if 200 00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:22.000 he was at any house, the beast was following him to any house. 201 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:26.799 Yeah, okay, I get it. So like the beast had like latched 202 00:16:26.840 --> 00:16:34.519 onto him, not the house anymore. Ernie said that the scariest part to 203 00:16:34.559 --> 00:16:41.559 me was seeing David go through this with nothing there to do it. David 204 00:16:41.639 --> 00:16:45.240 was having convulsions. He would be screaming and cursing, which they claimed was 205 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:49.519 not like him. He was being pushed and beaten around the room. He 206 00:16:49.639 --> 00:16:55.919 was getting aggressive, which was also out of character, and the family really 207 00:16:55.960 --> 00:16:59.879 struggled with what to do about it. Like they were like, what is 208 00:17:00.159 --> 00:17:04.079 going on, Like this is not David, Like he doesn't curse, he 209 00:17:04.119 --> 00:17:10.240 doesn't shout or scream or you know. So they decided that they should go 210 00:17:10.400 --> 00:17:15.039 to the church to speak to a priest, and they asked the priest if 211 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:19.359 he could perform an exorcism or any other kind of ritual. So around this 212 00:17:19.680 --> 00:17:25.359 time, the church are kind of being like, s No, no, 213 00:17:25.480 --> 00:17:30.200 we don't do exorcisms. What that's not us. That's just a stray movie. 214 00:17:30.720 --> 00:17:33.640 Yeah, just a silly little movie. Nobody pay attention to that. 215 00:17:34.359 --> 00:17:38.039 No, don't have a popular and pop culture. We only watched that movie 216 00:17:38.079 --> 00:17:44.359 recently, The Exorcist, and it's such it holds up, It holds up, 217 00:17:45.480 --> 00:17:48.680 it does genuinely. I was surprised. I thought I wasn't gonna like 218 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:51.359 it, but I really do. For a movie that was made in the 219 00:17:51.400 --> 00:17:56.599 seventies, like is good and holds up really well. Yeah, and then 220 00:17:56.599 --> 00:17:59.440 when you look into like the backstory and stuff of it and you're like, 221 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:04.400 wow, Okay. The priest that David's family went to for the exorcism denied 222 00:18:04.480 --> 00:18:08.039 their request, but said that he would come to the house and he would 223 00:18:08.079 --> 00:18:15.160 do a blessing and that he would also do some research for them. So 224 00:18:15.359 --> 00:18:17.799 he did just that. He comes to the house, he blesses it, 225 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:22.880 and then he's like, light some candles, pray some harder, and that 226 00:18:22.920 --> 00:18:29.880 should save David. Saul, he's got to pay the trolls tall literally. 227 00:18:30.160 --> 00:18:34.920 The Glassals did do just that, but nothing seems to change. David's behavior 228 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:40.720 didn't get any better, and he continued to feel attacked by the beast. 229 00:18:41.960 --> 00:18:45.400 The family claimed that at one point David began speaking Latin, which he didn't 230 00:18:45.599 --> 00:18:52.839 know, so they did not understand how he could be speaking ith fear his 231 00:18:53.119 --> 00:18:57.240 body would be contorted and he would be screaming at the top of his lungs 232 00:18:57.240 --> 00:19:03.640 in pain. He stid reciting paragraphs from Paradise Lost, which is a poem 233 00:19:03.640 --> 00:19:10.799 about the devil and how he fell from heaven. And again he's eleven slash 234 00:19:10.880 --> 00:19:17.880 twelve. He he doesn't yeh, he's not reciting poems, but he's also 235 00:19:17.920 --> 00:19:22.640 not reciting poems about heaven and hell and you know, yeah. The family 236 00:19:22.680 --> 00:19:26.039 decided that they had to go back to the priest and ask for help again. 237 00:19:26.519 --> 00:19:30.400 So the priest agreed to go to the house and do another blessing on 238 00:19:30.519 --> 00:19:36.039 David, and after he finished, he told the Glattels that it wasn't enough 239 00:19:36.440 --> 00:19:40.839 and that they should reach out to a couple who specialized in paranormal activities. 240 00:19:41.200 --> 00:19:47.039 Who could it be? Who could it be? He recommended Ed and Lorraine 241 00:19:47.279 --> 00:19:52.039 Warren. The Warrens arrived at the family home, and Lorraine immediately noted that 242 00:19:52.079 --> 00:19:57.799 the blessing performed by the priest didn't work and that David was still very much 243 00:19:57.839 --> 00:20:04.000 possessed by the demais. Lorraine felt there was a creature in that child's body. 244 00:20:04.240 --> 00:20:07.640 She was very dramatic. She believed that the creature was there to cause 245 00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:15.039 harm to David and to the Glatto family, including Ernie. The Glastols informed 246 00:20:15.200 --> 00:20:22.079 Ed and Lorraine how David's behavior was getting increasingly more aggressive and way out of 247 00:20:22.119 --> 00:20:27.160 control. Debbie felt that the beast was attached to the house and not to 248 00:20:27.200 --> 00:20:33.920 the family and wanted to move, but Lorraine was like, no, no, 249 00:20:33.160 --> 00:20:37.640 sweetie, that's not how that works, and then basically was like, 250 00:20:37.799 --> 00:20:41.480 that's the difference between haunted people and haunted houses. Insightful, Lorraine, Thank 251 00:20:41.519 --> 00:20:47.759 you, Lorraine. What would we do without you? The beautiful bastard. 252 00:20:48.039 --> 00:20:52.160 The Warrens felt that the only thing that would help David was if the church 253 00:20:52.200 --> 00:20:56.680 performed in exorcism. It takes months for the church to review a case before 254 00:20:56.720 --> 00:21:06.359 they agreed to do any exorcisms, so they filled out a form like paperwork. 255 00:21:06.359 --> 00:21:11.680 They filled out paperwork to request an exorcism off the church. I wonder 256 00:21:12.559 --> 00:21:17.200 is that paperwork available online for me to fill out? Oh my god, 257 00:21:17.599 --> 00:21:26.000 can you fill out an exorcism form and stop it? The first thing that 258 00:21:26.039 --> 00:21:33.319 comes up is the Archdiocese of Washington request in exorcism, and then you have 259 00:21:33.440 --> 00:21:44.720 the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops Exorcism Amazing Exorcism Protocol. Google. That's 260 00:21:44.759 --> 00:21:51.440 how to apply for exorcisms. The Archdiocese of Toronto says, first you should 261 00:21:51.440 --> 00:21:56.240 contact your priest and then your priest will meet with the individual to cern their 262 00:21:56.319 --> 00:22:04.640 needs. I don't have a priest. Step one already gone. If further 263 00:22:04.759 --> 00:22:11.160 assistance is necessary, the priest is to write the Chancellor of Spiritual Affairs outlining 264 00:22:11.200 --> 00:22:17.240 the matter with medical or other supporting documents. Once the case has been received 265 00:22:17.319 --> 00:22:19.480 by that office, the file will be opened and have written. A request 266 00:22:19.519 --> 00:22:26.240 for assistance will be made to a relevant expert so that a psychosocial spiritual assessment 267 00:22:26.799 --> 00:22:30.640 may be completed. That was not a nice sentence for somebody with a lisp. 268 00:22:33.240 --> 00:22:36.880 Once the assessment has been returned, the case file is referred to the 269 00:22:36.960 --> 00:22:42.480 chancellor for discernment before proceeding. The Chancellor in consultation with the exorcist will decide 270 00:22:42.599 --> 00:22:47.599 on one of the three actions. One, the case should be referred to 271 00:22:47.680 --> 00:22:52.720 the exorcist for his discernment and recommendations. Two, the case requires additional medical 272 00:22:52.799 --> 00:22:59.880 and or psycho psychological supporting documentation before proceeding further. Three, the case does 273 00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:03.279 not require action, and the individual is referred back to the parish for ongoing 274 00:23:03.559 --> 00:23:08.799 pastoral care. And once the recommendation of the exorcist has been obtained, the 275 00:23:08.880 --> 00:23:14.960 Chancellor in consultation with the exorcist will provide guidance to the parish priest who made 276 00:23:15.039 --> 00:23:18.720 the initial contact with the office. This is a lot of hassles. Do 277 00:23:18.759 --> 00:23:25.200 you know what I'd rather just be, to be honest, So David was 278 00:23:25.200 --> 00:23:29.680 only getting worse. So Ed told the family that he could perform a minor 279 00:23:29.759 --> 00:23:33.799 exorcism, which is basically just a bunch of prayers used to break the influence 280 00:23:33.839 --> 00:23:40.200 on evil and sin in a person's life. He's eleven, what evil in 281 00:23:40.279 --> 00:23:45.119 sin does he do? So, while the family were waiting for Ed to 282 00:23:45.279 --> 00:23:52.920 like come back and perform this minor exorcism. David's behavior was getting like beyond 283 00:23:52.079 --> 00:23:56.559 out of control at this point, ed in Lorraine, and of course it's 284 00:23:56.720 --> 00:24:03.480 ed and Lorraine claimed that they've seen David levitating off his bed, and this 285 00:24:03.559 --> 00:24:07.559 is when they decided that they were going to record all of their interactions with 286 00:24:07.799 --> 00:24:12.519 David. There are several recordings that the Warrens have of David saying but bizarre 287 00:24:12.640 --> 00:24:18.319 things. Look, I heard one of them on the documentary and I couldn't 288 00:24:18.319 --> 00:24:22.599 help but laugh a little because in it, he's like, I think I 289 00:24:22.640 --> 00:24:26.400 sent it to you. What does he say? Douchebag? Oh yeah, 290 00:24:26.440 --> 00:24:29.680 he called. He's like, you're a douchebag. And I'm like, I'm 291 00:24:29.759 --> 00:24:34.240 sorry, a demon is using much fouler language than that. Douchebag is, 292 00:24:34.279 --> 00:24:41.319 so like, we're on the playground. Honestly, on one recording, you 293 00:24:41.359 --> 00:24:45.759 can hear David saying, quote, Cheyenne dies at work tomorrow, which that's 294 00:24:45.880 --> 00:24:53.519 Ernie's middle name. So the next day at work, Ernie reportedly fell twenty 295 00:24:53.599 --> 00:24:59.160 feet out of a tree. He suffered a minor knee injury, according to 296 00:24:59.240 --> 00:25:04.359 Debbie, but there is absolute no records of this, Like, I mean 297 00:25:04.720 --> 00:25:11.440 anywhere. Hm, what did he work as he did? I don't know. 298 00:25:12.680 --> 00:25:17.200 Basically, from my understanding, he was like a gardener and like trimmed 299 00:25:17.279 --> 00:25:22.400 trees. Oh okay, So like he'd be up in the tree, you 300 00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:26.519 know, like fixing it up, making it great up. Yeah. And 301 00:25:26.559 --> 00:25:30.160 so he fell out of the tree. Nobody else like, it's just Ernie 302 00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:33.920 and Debbie are like, he fell out of the tree, and he hurt 303 00:25:33.000 --> 00:25:37.799 his knee. He scraped his knee real bad, and they're like, and 304 00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:45.279 and David last night said that Sha dies at work tomorrow. I don't know. 305 00:25:45.640 --> 00:25:48.400 I feel like, if a demon wants you to die at work tomorrow, 306 00:25:48.279 --> 00:25:52.519 you're gonna die at work tomorrow. Yeah, You're not gonna just injure 307 00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:56.279 your knee. Yeah. Ernie would often challenge the demon to get out of 308 00:25:56.359 --> 00:26:00.000 David's body, like he'd be like, get out of him, leave him 309 00:26:00.039 --> 00:26:03.119 alone, and the Warrens would be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, 310 00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:08.359 whoa, whoa. What are you doing challenging a demon? Ernie? Come 311 00:26:08.400 --> 00:26:14.680 on, and Ernie Powell, what are you doing. On another recording belonging 312 00:26:14.720 --> 00:26:18.480 to the Warrens, Aaron Ernie is in the background yelling tell tell him I'll 313 00:26:18.559 --> 00:26:22.960 fight him. Come out and fight me like a man. I'll beare knucklebacks 314 00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:26.759 you. Honestly, you're gonna you're threatening to You're threatening to fight a demon. 315 00:26:27.279 --> 00:26:32.519 You're threatening to fight a demon. You're not gonna win, babe. 316 00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:37.920 Sorry, but this demon is like has like thousands of years of experience against 317 00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:44.920 you, and like ed and the rain are like, bro, the fuck 318 00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:49.440 did you just do so? Soon after this, Ernie began claiming that he 319 00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:56.440 was seeing a figure and that he was experiencing paranormal activities. Debbie claimed that 320 00:26:56.480 --> 00:27:00.920 one day, while they were talking with another, Ernie out of nowhere began 321 00:27:02.079 --> 00:27:07.319 growling and his whole body began shaking. She said that she knew it wasn't 322 00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:12.480 Ernie, and he has no memory of this. Okay, I'll just take 323 00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:17.680 their word for it. By the end of nineteen eighty, David's behavior was 324 00:27:17.720 --> 00:27:21.359 so out of control that he attempted to stab Ernie with a knife that he'd 325 00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:26.839 taken from the kitchen. He claimed that the beast had called on more demons 326 00:27:26.839 --> 00:27:30.960 to possess his body, and Lorraine, at a later point, claimed that 327 00:27:30.920 --> 00:27:38.359 David was possessed by not one, not two, and not three demons. 328 00:27:38.799 --> 00:27:44.559 But forty three demons. Forty three, he had his own ten, he 329 00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:48.880 had his own board of directors, Like, how do you get together? 330 00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:52.680 Hew? Does one demon? How does I want to know? Did the 331 00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:57.200 beast like go to his friends? Was it a pyramid scheme? I have 332 00:27:57.319 --> 00:28:03.039 got this kid, and he's a little fucking shit and he ruined my plans 333 00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:07.000 to possess a whole damn house. So now I need all of y'all's help 334 00:28:08.119 --> 00:28:14.799 to bring this motherfucker down. And also his brother in law threatened to fight 335 00:28:14.920 --> 00:28:19.160 me, So we got to teach these little shits what we got. Can 336 00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:23.519 you imagine that is like a split screen with like forty seven It's like a 337 00:28:23.599 --> 00:28:30.400 zoom meeting at Zoom meeting. If we could meet tomorrow nine am and we'll 338 00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:34.240 loop back around by EOD nine am, doesn't work for me. I have 339 00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:38.599 plans to possess this other kid. Look, if you can make it for 340 00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:42.880 at least two that would be great. That would be great, great. 341 00:28:44.559 --> 00:28:48.359 I'll clear my schedule for the rest of the day. So, according to 342 00:28:49.400 --> 00:28:53.880 Ed and Lorraine and to the glattal family, priests came to the family home 343 00:28:55.319 --> 00:28:59.720 to perform a second blessing on the house. And Ed helped perform a minor 344 00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:06.880 exit. The family claimed that David had four minor exorcisms, with one stopping 345 00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:12.720 his heart and something happened to administer CPR. The family believed that the minor 346 00:29:12.759 --> 00:29:18.079 exorcisms worked and that the demons were expelled from his body. They said that 347 00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:23.519 things began to settle, but David he was still having a few behavioral issues 348 00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:30.000 and he was suffering a few psychological issues. But they're like the demons were 349 00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:34.400 going to do but you would you would expect it if you were actually possessed 350 00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:41.599 by forty odd demons. Everything was returning to normal for the Glattals. Ernie 351 00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:48.160 and Debbie were getting more work again because like everyone kind of halted life to 352 00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:52.519 watch David and make sure that he was okay, and nothing like awful happened 353 00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:56.200 to him. So Debbie got a new job and a kennel. This is 354 00:29:56.240 --> 00:30:02.119 where she meets Alan Bono Bono whenever you want to call him. Everyone in 355 00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:04.759 the documentary was calling him Bono, and it was really annoying me because his 356 00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:08.920 name is spelt the same as Bono from the singer of You Two. So 357 00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:15.240 why we don't know who you're talking about? We don't claim that man Alan 358 00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:19.519 was the manager of the kennel. Ernie claimed that despite everything calming down for 359 00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:26.519 David, he was still having visions of the demon and he was feeling strange. 360 00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:30.960 He believed that challenging the demons in David had worked and it caused them 361 00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:34.119 to jump into his body, and that something had latched on to him. 362 00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:41.039 Debbie said that Ernie would enter a trance like state where he would begin growling, 363 00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:45.079 and he would say that he saw the beast, and Ernie would claim 364 00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:49.359 that he would never have any memory of this. Imagine if your partner just 365 00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:55.039 started growling. I would piss myself laughing, and then I would walk away 366 00:30:55.079 --> 00:30:57.279 from pure and utter embarrassment and be like, and we're okay. I'm okay. 367 00:30:57.640 --> 00:31:02.759 I don't need a grown man that rails at people. If you're growling 368 00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:07.720 at strangers, you got a problem. Yeah, yeah, that's not good. 369 00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:22.559 We're going to take a quick outbreak and we're back. Growl Oh brah 370 00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:27.279 means I love you in Dinosaur. Sorry, I'm just having visions. She's 371 00:31:27.319 --> 00:31:32.160 like, he's growling at people, and it's Buddy is shaking and he's just 372 00:31:32.200 --> 00:31:41.119 like In January nineteen eighty one, Ernie and Debbie move into an apartment that 373 00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:45.960 is owned by Debbie's boss Alan. He's like the manager of the apartment complex. 374 00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:48.519 I think it's his sister that owns it, and he just like runs 375 00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:55.039 it. Ernie's two sisters and his cousin moved in with them as well. 376 00:31:55.920 --> 00:31:59.720 According to Ernie's mother, him and Alan got on really well and they spent 377 00:31:59.759 --> 00:32:06.599 a lot of time together. However, on February sixteenth, nineteen eighty one, 378 00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:10.160 Ernie, Alan, Debbie, and Ernie's sisters all went to a cafe 379 00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:15.759 called the Mugan Munch. According to the witnesses, at the restaurant, Alan 380 00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:22.079 and Ernie had about fourteen to fifteen glasses of wine between them. This is 381 00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:28.000 for breakfast and no, it's like evening time. They have like a bottle 382 00:32:28.039 --> 00:32:34.759 and a half of wine each just at dinner. It's been done. The 383 00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:37.720 party was at the cafe. You know, they're all having a good time. 384 00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:43.920 They're there for about three hours just living it up, and then they 385 00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:46.200 all leave the restaurant or a cafe whatever, and they go back to the 386 00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:52.839 apartment. At about six thirty pm. According to Ernie and Debbie, Alan 387 00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:59.440 made an inappropriate comment about Debbie, which made her uncomfortable. This led to 388 00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:02.880 a ribe between Alan and Ernie and things got heeded between the two of them. 389 00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:12.079 They ended up outside fighting outside and it turned physical. During the fight, 390 00:33:12.559 --> 00:33:16.440 Ernie took out a five inch pocket knife and began stabbing Alan. He 391 00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:22.599 stabbed Alan four times in the stomach. Alan fell to the ground, Ernie 392 00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:27.559 dropped the knife and Ernie walked towards the woods. Ernie claims to have no 393 00:33:27.640 --> 00:33:36.400 memory of this. Debbie ran inside rang her father for help. Nine one 394 00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:42.319 one would have worked. Two but some of us would have called for help, 395 00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:46.799 you know, from medical professionals. But your dad works too. Yeah. 396 00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:53.839 Yeah. Debbie's dad arrives at the scene and an ambulance is called in 397 00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:59.839 and around the same time, the paramedics found Alan lying on his back, 398 00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:06.559 alive, but in an unbelievably bad way. One of the paramedics testified that 399 00:34:06.640 --> 00:34:09.519 at the scene of the crime, he overheard Debbie tell her father quote, 400 00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:13.159 oh, daddy, he didn't mean to do it. You know how he 401 00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:19.360 gets when he's been drinking. Oh oh no. Debbie's father informed the police 402 00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:23.920 that it was Ernie who had stabbed Alan. Alan was taken to Danbury Hospital 403 00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:30.039 where he sadly passed away from his injuries. Shortly after arriving, Ernie was 404 00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:35.400 found by police roughly about an hour later, a couple of miles from the 405 00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:39.840 scene. He was arrested and charged with the murder of Alan Bono. He 406 00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:45.239 was taken to Bridgeport Correctional Center and his bail was set for one hundred and 407 00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:52.159 twenty five thousand dollars. Soon after Ernie's arrest, though, Warrens began getting 408 00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:58.719 involved. Of course, they talked about how it appeared to look like an 409 00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:02.039 argument gone wrong, but it was in fact a demonic possession. Okay. 410 00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:08.360 Lorraine claimed that the demons that had been in David had possessed Ernie. They 411 00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:14.559 wanted to ruin Ernie's life because he had challenged them, and they said that 412 00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:17.360 he was possessed at the time of his murder. At the time of the 413 00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:23.719 murder, but the demons had since left his body. Oh perfect, great 414 00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:29.320 timing, great, great, great timing. Wait was it all the forty 415 00:35:29.320 --> 00:35:39.280 odd It's unclear. They never say how many demons were in Ernie. Unintended. 416 00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:49.440 Now, police would normally ignore such claims, you know, they'd be 417 00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:52.679 like, okay, take your demonic possession. And shove that up your asshole. 418 00:35:53.920 --> 00:36:00.639 But the Church were alleged to have been involved with David's miner's minorcisms, 419 00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:08.320 and so this gave the Warrens claims credibility. The public went absolutely not over 420 00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:15.119 what the Warrens were saying. The Catholic Church confirmed that David's family had appealed 421 00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:20.679 for an exorcism. They said that a priest was sent out to investigate whether 422 00:36:20.719 --> 00:36:27.280 an exorcism was necessary, but said police said priest failed to turn in his 423 00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:31.880 report and he was unreachable as he was out of the country on a mission. 424 00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:36.800 I thought you were going to say on holiday, and I was like, 425 00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:44.480 holiday, priests deserve holidays, Tom Megan, I'm sure they do. 426 00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:49.800 The church refused to comment on the case after that and never did. Like 427 00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:57.079 after that radio silence, the Church would not confirm or deny nothing. I 428 00:36:57.119 --> 00:36:59.519 mean, they said what they have to say. There's not much more that 429 00:36:59.559 --> 00:37:05.320 they can do. The Warrens went on many talk shows and radio shows to 430 00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:08.480 talk about Ernie's possession. They talked about how it was going to be the 431 00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:15.760 first case in America to use possession as defense. Ernie's court appointed lawyer would 432 00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:20.960 refuse to comment on what the Warrens were talking about. He was like not 433 00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:24.559 having any of it, and he was soon replaced by Martin Manella. Martin 434 00:37:24.599 --> 00:37:30.559 Manella was super interested in this case and he even took it on pro bono. 435 00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:34.079 I mean, I get it because it's like the whole the defense is 436 00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:39.559 going to be very interesting. But I don't know, even if I was 437 00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:44.199 a big shot, big time lawyer, I think I would stay fair away 438 00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:47.840 from something like that. Yeah. On March nineteenth, nineteen eighty one, 439 00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:54.920 Ernie was indicted quite literally after the judge heard evidence, like twenty five minutes 440 00:37:54.920 --> 00:37:58.519 into the indictment, the judge was like, guy, I've heard enough, 441 00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:02.239 and yeah, yeah, we're going to trial. Okay, yeah, perfect. 442 00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:12.639 Martin he is loving the media attention and he's like doing interviews and shit 443 00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:19.000 lawyers. Yeah, the lawyer. He told the media that he intended to 444 00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:24.039 argue that Ernie's actions were caused by demonic possession. He then set up a 445 00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:30.880 fund to try raise money for the cost of Ernie's defense. He reportedly was 446 00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:42.119 planning on like bringing in priests and like members of the church to talk about 447 00:38:42.159 --> 00:38:46.920 demonic possession, making a scene, basically making a scene, basically indeed is 448 00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:53.440 correct. The media became obsessed with the case because they really wanted to see 449 00:38:53.480 --> 00:38:58.920 how that kind of defense would play out in a court of law. It 450 00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:01.480 was unclear if the church would be asked to testify for a little while, 451 00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:07.199 and Martin told the media quote, I hope the priests will have enough moral 452 00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:16.199 conscious to come forward your haskan priests to have a moral conscious in your client 453 00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:22.400 stab a man four times and then walk into the woods. Okay, but 454 00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:28.280 yeah, yeah, I sure hope the priests have moral conscious The warrants talked 455 00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:32.639 about how they were disappointed in the church because they were refusing to confirm or 456 00:39:32.679 --> 00:39:38.360 deny their involvement. Meanwhile, members of the church had commented that the claims 457 00:39:38.960 --> 00:39:45.559 so members of the church had claimed that claims of possession were often the result 458 00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:50.360 of a mental illness that required the attention of a medical professional. Yeah, 459 00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:57.079 fair enough. Can we just snaps and claps for those members of the church, 460 00:39:57.800 --> 00:40:01.679 because at least somebody from the church was like, I mean, they're 461 00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:07.199 probably just mentally ill. Yeah, they probably just need like professional help. 462 00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:14.760 The Warrens were claiming to the media that they had a really close working relationship 463 00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:19.840 with the Catholic Church. But once again the Catholic Church were like, no, 464 00:40:19.880 --> 00:40:23.280 I'm not saying nothing. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. You 465 00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:29.320 don't know me. When Ernie's trial began on October twenty eighth, nineteen eighty 466 00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:35.679 one, the judge refused to allow the defense of demonic possession. Quote evidence 467 00:40:35.719 --> 00:40:40.000 of demonic possession is simply not relevant. I mean, at the end of 468 00:40:40.039 --> 00:40:45.800 the day, there is a man dead and you did kill that. There 469 00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:50.400 are witnesses to say that you killed the man. His own sisters. His 470 00:40:50.440 --> 00:40:52.679 own sisters were like, yeah, he stabbed him. Yeah, there's no 471 00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:58.039 refuting it. Debbie tried to say that she didn't see him stab him, 472 00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:00.280 but like his sisters were like, yeah, we saw him take out a 473 00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:06.440 knife, stab him, drop the knife, and then make his way into 474 00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:12.599 the woods. Yeah. Like this is really just does he go into it 475 00:41:12.719 --> 00:41:16.039 like a mental institution or does he go to jail. Yeah. The judge 476 00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:20.960 had learned of Martin's defense in the media, and he learned that Martin was 477 00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:27.760 intending on calling priests to the stand to testify to discuss demonic possession. The 478 00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:31.599 judge felt that quote such a defense could not be reliable and could mislead the 479 00:41:31.639 --> 00:41:38.519 jury, which, yeah, like what does demonic possession have to do with 480 00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:43.000 anything? When it boiled down to it, did he stab him? Yes? 481 00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:46.679 He did? Like what more is there to it? You know? 482 00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:52.639 Like yeah, in a panic, Martin requests requested a recess because he was 483 00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:54.559 like, I'm going to have to try to come up with the new fucking 484 00:41:54.599 --> 00:42:01.840 defense m h, because my plans are fucked. So the judge is like, 485 00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:05.400 yeah, sure, we'll take a recess. You come up with a 486 00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:07.960 new defense, and then we'll come back, you know, try this again. 487 00:42:09.679 --> 00:42:15.760 And Martin went out to the media that were stood outside the courthouse and 488 00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:23.639 was like, this judge has anti Catholic bias. Oh oh, that's not 489 00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:31.920 fair, and he should disqualify himself from the case. Can you imagine being 490 00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:36.519 the judge watching that in your chambers, You'd be like, bro, I 491 00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:45.480 give you the recess. The prosecution like they had a clean case, you 492 00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:50.320 know what I mean, Like they were like Ernie killed Alan Bono in a 493 00:42:50.360 --> 00:42:54.719 drunken argument gone wrong, Like yeah, what else is there to this? 494 00:42:57.239 --> 00:43:01.840 Martin Manella was left with no other option but to scrap his demonic possession claim, 495 00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:08.000 and he decided to argue that Ernie killed Alan in self defense of his 496 00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:15.760 family. They claimed that Alan had started a fight. He also said that 497 00:43:15.880 --> 00:43:20.320 Alan grabbed Ernie's youngest sister, who was nine at the time of the murder, 498 00:43:21.199 --> 00:43:28.599 and he tried to take her into his apartment, and that's why Ernie 499 00:43:28.639 --> 00:43:35.159 stabbed him. Now, to my knowledge from my research, this didn't come 500 00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:37.719 like this was the first time that like that had been said. Like, 501 00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:44.440 there was no mention of Alan trying to I don't know, kidnap what like. 502 00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:49.960 Yeah, it was very roch. There was very much like grasping at 503 00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:55.239 straws here, and he's not there to defend himself from that. Literally. 504 00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:00.960 Martin did still try to call some prists to the stand, and he was 505 00:44:01.079 --> 00:44:07.400 warned very quickly by the judge to watch his line of questioning. When the 506 00:44:07.480 --> 00:44:10.519 jury was going off to deliberate, the judge told them to only consider the 507 00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:17.760 evidence giving at trial and to ignore any media influence, meaning to ignore all 508 00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:22.519 theory of demonic possession had no business being in the courtroom and so therefore it 509 00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:30.239 had no business being like questioned by the jury. Yeah, fair enough. 510 00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:37.280 After about fifteen minutes of deliberation, the jury was deadlocked. So the judge 511 00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:43.840 was like, Hey, why don't you remember and talk about a case that 512 00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:52.440 had happened a few years previous where basically the jurors had deadlocked and what ended 513 00:44:52.519 --> 00:44:57.119 up happening is the minority just agreed with the majority. He was like, 514 00:44:57.239 --> 00:45:01.280 basically like, why don't you just talk about that time that the minority had 515 00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:07.559 respected the intelligence of the majority. Oh so, he said, you are 516 00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:14.840 stupid. You are very, very stupid. The jury like, despite being 517 00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:16.719 told not to, the jury were like, but what if he was possessed 518 00:45:16.760 --> 00:45:20.599 and that's why he did it. I don't know. Whenever you hear if 519 00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:24.599 you're in a jury and you hear something and then the judge says not to 520 00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:29.519 pay attention to it, and it's been such a major part of the case, 521 00:45:29.920 --> 00:45:36.599 obviously you're going to, yeah, think about it. After sixteen hours, 522 00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:42.800 the jury found Irony guilty of manslaughter because they were like, he was 523 00:45:43.519 --> 00:45:46.039 he was being charged with first degree murder. But the jury were like, 524 00:45:46.119 --> 00:45:51.519 no, I don't think he went outside in the argument with the intent of 525 00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:54.320 killing him. I like, and I would agree with that, Like, 526 00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:59.280 I do very Look, I don't fully believe that he was possessed, but 527 00:45:59.400 --> 00:46:04.880 I do think that he did not intend on killing the man. Yeah, 528 00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:09.599 and I very much believe that it was manslaughter, not like a planned out 529 00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:16.559 murder. On December sixteenth, nineteen eighty one, Ernie was sentenced to the 530 00:46:16.599 --> 00:46:22.880 maximum sentence, which is ten to twenty years in prison. The judge said 531 00:46:22.880 --> 00:46:25.440 that he felt that he had no other option but to give the maximum as 532 00:46:25.599 --> 00:46:31.280 Ernie just seemed to lack remorse. This upset Debbie, who yelled out that's 533 00:46:31.320 --> 00:46:39.559 sick before storming out of the courthouse. There's a man dead, Debbie. 534 00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:44.400 You know what's also sick, Debbie, is that your boyfriend stobbed a man 535 00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:47.239 to death. Yeah, that is pretty sick. And then you decided to 536 00:46:47.320 --> 00:46:52.039 call your father instead of he might have lived if you called the ambulance a 537 00:46:52.039 --> 00:46:55.719 bit quicker, Yeah, exactly, because he was alive. So like, 538 00:46:55.840 --> 00:47:00.119 I'm not saying it's your fault, Debbie, but also you didn't help. 539 00:47:01.159 --> 00:47:07.280 Can I just imagine, right, imagine you have been stabbed, You're lying 540 00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:09.119 on the floor, you need help. There are a bunch of people around, 541 00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:12.800 because there was a few of them there. You see one of them 542 00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:15.000 pick up a phone and you're like, oh, thank god, they're getting 543 00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:19.800 me help. And then you hear god Dad, alright, excuse me. 544 00:47:21.880 --> 00:47:27.199 They appealed the judge's decisions soon after, but in March nineteen eighty two, 545 00:47:27.440 --> 00:47:30.760 Ernie requested that the appeal be withdrawn. He was like, nah, I 546 00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:37.000 just leave it. I accept my fate. Now this is where things get 547 00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:44.079 interesting. And I think this is, to me, the most important paragraph 548 00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:52.559 of this whole story. Okay, So Debbie had three brothers, the oldest 549 00:47:52.679 --> 00:48:00.199 being Carol, and he remembers what happened in nineteen eighty a little differently, 550 00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:07.960 just dis mission, just dismission. Carl claims that when he was only he 551 00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:14.960 was about fourteen fifteen. He remembers like the years of his early teens being 552 00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:22.320 a very upsetting time and he had a lot of feeling of helplessness as David, 553 00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:27.199 who was the youngest. So he the youngest. I think Debbie was 554 00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:30.039 the oldest, and then it was Carl, and then it was I think 555 00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:36.320 his name is Alan, and then David. Okay, David's emotional and mental 556 00:48:36.360 --> 00:48:43.400 health was starting to decline. Carl claims that David was beginning to show signs 557 00:48:43.440 --> 00:48:52.000 of behavioral issues. He was struggling with learning disabilities in school, and Carl 558 00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:57.079 claims that by nineteen eighty David was starting to suffer from seizures and delusions. 559 00:48:59.599 --> 00:49:07.039 He said that his family had watched The Exorcist shortly before they all went over 560 00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:12.800 to help clean Ernie and Debbie's new home. Oh okay, just a fun 561 00:49:12.800 --> 00:49:19.880 little fact. Not at all, anything that could influence somebody. Not at 562 00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:22.840 all, something that would influence an eleven year old. Oh no, not 563 00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:30.559 at all. He also said that the Warrens came to interview David, like 564 00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:34.000 when they had been called and they came, they came, and they like 565 00:49:34.159 --> 00:49:38.559 interviewed David, and they questioned him about what he was experiencing. And then 566 00:49:39.280 --> 00:49:45.519 the Warrens turned to talk to their mother, but in front of David, 567 00:49:47.199 --> 00:49:53.119 and they talked to the mother about how if they don't get control of this 568 00:49:53.320 --> 00:50:00.760 possession, like he'll start to shout and spit and curse and vaults and in 569 00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:07.079 front of David, and then, shocking me enough, soon after that he 570 00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:15.159 started doing all of those things. Yeah, maybe a smidge bit influenced. 571 00:50:15.079 --> 00:50:22.960 Yes. Carl talked about how his father was the only one. Him and 572 00:50:23.039 --> 00:50:30.440 his father were the only ones to not believe the possession. He recalled how 573 00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:39.079 David had been screaming and cursing because of this quote unquote possession, and the 574 00:50:39.199 --> 00:50:43.239 mother is trying to calm him down, and she's like, I'm your mother. 575 00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:47.559 Come back to me, David, like you know, like fight the 576 00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:53.159 devil and come back to me. And then their dad walks into the room, 577 00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:59.920 picks up David yells at him to like sit the fuck down, stop 578 00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:02.639 what you're doing, and then he walks out of the room and shocking me 579 00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:13.039 enough, the demon listened what a demon listens to dad crazy, He stops 580 00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:17.440 like what he's doing, and he just like shut up, like and like 581 00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:23.039 right, Carol is like that to me, is like solid telling, you 582 00:51:23.079 --> 00:51:27.480 know, because everyone's afraid of their dad, do you know what I mean? 583 00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:30.639 Hmmm, And so he's like, wow, even the demon was scared 584 00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:36.320 of my dad. Carol described this part of his childhood as a living nightmare. 585 00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:40.639 He said that his family was not in any way religious until all of 586 00:51:40.679 --> 00:51:47.039 this started happening with David. His family believed that David's problems were all caused 587 00:51:47.039 --> 00:51:52.239 from something spiritual, but he just felt that his brother needed to see a 588 00:51:52.280 --> 00:51:57.800 doctor. That must be a really lonely experience as well. I know he 589 00:51:57.840 --> 00:52:00.320 had his dad. But when you're like, no, he just needs to 590 00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:06.760 go see a medical professional, and then and then and then like your mother 591 00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:09.719 is like, let's go bring him to the priests. Yeah, he's got 592 00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:15.880 demons in his blood. Yeah, it's like what No. Carl believes that 593 00:52:15.960 --> 00:52:21.519 his family went out to seek the help of the Warrens themselves. So the 594 00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:28.679 Glattals claimed that the priest referred them onto the Warrens, but Carl believes that 595 00:52:28.719 --> 00:52:36.559 his family just went and found them themselves. It's also believed that Debbie had 596 00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:44.000 attended at least one of their seminaris before David was Oh okay Debbie, mm 597 00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:51.199 hmm. Carl feels as though the Warrens exploited his family and only saw them 598 00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:57.239 as a gold mind. Carl had actually gone with his father to the scene 599 00:52:57.280 --> 00:53:01.519 of the crime when Debbie had called, and he is still very much haunted 600 00:53:02.360 --> 00:53:12.440 by seeing Alan Bono lying on the ground dying, of course, and like 601 00:53:12.559 --> 00:53:17.199 he believes that like Ernie is solely responsible for that, and like in the 602 00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:22.119 interview, like he's like like a man died, like he killed somebody, 603 00:53:22.719 --> 00:53:25.159 Yeah, do you know, Like and he's like that seems to be like 604 00:53:25.320 --> 00:53:29.760 forgotten. Do you know, like, hm hmm, it's the main point 605 00:53:29.800 --> 00:53:36.639 of what's going on here. Yeah, And when their mother passed away, 606 00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:40.960 Carol claims that he found diaries belonging to his mother in which she wrote about 607 00:53:40.960 --> 00:53:49.000 how she basically was slipping sleeping pills into their dinner. What excuse me, 608 00:53:49.679 --> 00:53:54.159 ma'am. That is a crime. And he recalls about how like her dinner 609 00:53:54.239 --> 00:53:58.679 used to always be separate from everybody else's, like it used to be in 610 00:53:58.719 --> 00:54:06.239 its own dish. Oh. Yes, And he's like, if she was 611 00:54:06.679 --> 00:54:09.239 slipping us sleeping pills. I can't remember the name of them he mentioned, 612 00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:14.039 like a brand. He was like, if she was slipping us those, 613 00:54:15.039 --> 00:54:22.280 especially like David who was so young at the time, this would cause hallucinations, 614 00:54:24.079 --> 00:54:30.960 like convulsions, seizures, like all all of that stuff. And so 615 00:54:30.039 --> 00:54:36.039 he kind of is like, to me, that explains that. That's why 616 00:54:36.239 --> 00:54:42.960 David believes he was possessed. M m. But I can understand that it. 617 00:54:43.280 --> 00:54:46.079 No, that's not what happened to you. Now. David is like, 618 00:54:46.119 --> 00:54:52.599 no, my mother would have never drugged us, but her journals say 619 00:54:52.599 --> 00:54:59.920 otherwise. Mm hmm, yeah. Yeah. And after Ernie's trial was oh 620 00:55:00.039 --> 00:55:05.360 where their mother went to Los Angeles with the Warrens to like go on TV 621 00:55:05.639 --> 00:55:14.480 to do like these TV interviews, so really drawing attention to everything. Yeah, 622 00:55:14.639 --> 00:55:17.639 and the Warrens promised them a lot of money for a book deal and 623 00:55:17.760 --> 00:55:22.039 told the Glassls that to make the scary, to make the story scary, 624 00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:29.559 because that's what that's what would sell. Oh, perfect, that's great from 625 00:55:29.599 --> 00:55:36.119 the Warrens. Never expected that. What So this case has never fully been 626 00:55:36.159 --> 00:55:39.519 forgotten about. In nineteen eighty three, a friend of the Warrens wrote the 627 00:55:39.599 --> 00:55:45.760 nonfiction like It was a friend of them that wrote this book, The Devil 628 00:55:45.800 --> 00:55:51.920 in Connecticut, And it was classed as a non fiction, but they were 629 00:55:51.960 --> 00:56:00.719 told to make it scary, so it's a fiction. Yeah. The book 630 00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:06.119 was turned into a made for TV movie starring Kevin Bacon. The Demon Murder 631 00:56:06.199 --> 00:56:09.679 Case is okay, Well, if Kevin Bacon is in it, then it's 632 00:56:09.719 --> 00:56:17.079 fucking scary. Ernie and Debbie got married in January nineteen eighty five while he 633 00:56:17.159 --> 00:56:24.559 was serving out his sentence, got that jail house love, and after five 634 00:56:24.760 --> 00:56:37.280 years, five fricking years, Ernie was released for being a model prisoner in 635 00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:45.880 That's not justice, It's not any semblance of justice. In two thousand and 636 00:56:45.920 --> 00:56:50.880 seven, David and Carl sued the author of The Devil in Connecticut, and 637 00:56:50.920 --> 00:56:58.159 they felt that as children they were exploited and that the book exploited what as 638 00:56:58.199 --> 00:57:01.960 a whole the family went through. I mean, I get that somebody else 639 00:57:02.000 --> 00:57:07.920 writes about your family. Now, David and Carl have two different opinions as 640 00:57:08.039 --> 00:57:15.960 what happened in those years. David feels as though his story was exploited for 641 00:57:16.119 --> 00:57:27.880 entertainment and his hell like what he went through, and you know where Carl 642 00:57:28.320 --> 00:57:35.039 feels as though the pain that his family went through and the ordeal of like 643 00:57:35.599 --> 00:57:38.760 because he's like, no, my brother was not possessed, like he just 644 00:57:38.880 --> 00:57:44.880 was mentally ill and therefore, like you are taking advantage of like a mentally 645 00:57:44.920 --> 00:57:52.079 ill kid. Mm hmm. But unfortunately, the court favored with the author 646 00:57:52.360 --> 00:57:59.920 as their mother had signed forms for the author to use all of this inform 647 00:58:00.599 --> 00:58:05.639 and at the time they would have been minors, so which is upsetting for 648 00:58:05.679 --> 00:58:08.960 them because I at the end of the day, it's still is their story 649 00:58:09.039 --> 00:58:14.639 and it's something that happened to them. Yeah, as we know, the 650 00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:20.440 Warrens then have been turned into this magical franchise. The conjuring, and they 651 00:58:20.519 --> 00:58:25.039 released the movie The Devil Made Me Do It. Debbie passed away in twenty 652 00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:35.800 twenty one. Oh okay, Ernie is still very much alive. And as 653 00:58:35.880 --> 00:58:42.440 far as I know, none of the family speak. That's sad because I 654 00:58:42.480 --> 00:58:50.719 guess all the drama would push you away. Yes, and Ernie and Debbie 655 00:58:50.880 --> 00:58:57.800 like fully believe he was possessed and he did not kill Alan Bono like the 656 00:58:57.840 --> 00:59:00.920 Devil made him do that. Carol very much is of the belief, like, 657 00:59:01.480 --> 00:59:07.199 no, you got drunk, you killed a man. Yeah, And 658 00:59:07.519 --> 00:59:13.039 you know, I'm kind of inclined to agree with Carol. Yeah, I 659 00:59:13.119 --> 00:59:16.400 kind of am too. Yeah, And I think it's very very sad that 660 00:59:17.320 --> 00:59:24.360 a man's death was almost like overshadowed, do you know what I mean, 661 00:59:24.480 --> 00:59:34.679 Like along the way, like the Warrens and the fucking lawyer lost sight of 662 00:59:34.880 --> 00:59:38.960 No, he killed somebody. Yeah, there's a family out there missing somebody 663 00:59:39.039 --> 00:59:46.920 right now. Yeah. And according to David, the Warrens like sold him 664 00:59:46.920 --> 00:59:51.639 a dream in order to get their book deal, like they were like, 665 00:59:51.760 --> 00:59:57.800 you're gonna be a multimillion dollar Like you know, you're gonna make so much 666 00:59:57.840 --> 01:00:02.760 money off of this, And in the end, the Glassals were paid something 667 01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:07.440 like four thousand, five hundred dollars and for the book, and the Warrens 668 01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:15.320 were paid like hundreds of thousands. That's rough. Warrens took them for a 669 01:00:15.360 --> 01:00:23.039 wild ride. The more like, the more I learn about the Warrens, 670 01:00:23.559 --> 01:00:28.400 yeah, the more I don't like them, Like probably if you listen back 671 01:00:28.719 --> 01:00:30.719 on old episodes of ours, we're like, fuck, yeah, the Warrens. 672 01:00:31.039 --> 01:00:34.360 But the more, like you say, the more I learn more, 673 01:00:34.400 --> 01:00:38.880 I'm like, oh no, that's gross. Yeah, and like I do 674 01:00:39.039 --> 01:00:44.280 enjoy the movies, like half of them are shit, but like also like 675 01:00:44.320 --> 01:00:47.960 they are entertaining. Like we were talking earlier, it's the fictional Warrens we 676 01:00:49.039 --> 01:00:57.039 love literally and then like you learn that like they literally took this family for 677 01:00:57.079 --> 01:01:02.119 a fucking ride, do you know what I mean? Like now it's completely 678 01:01:02.320 --> 01:01:07.840 like of your own beliefs on whether you want to believe if David was possessed 679 01:01:07.920 --> 01:01:10.159 or not, Like that's up to you. That's your beliefs, that's you 680 01:01:10.199 --> 01:01:16.920 know, mm hmmm. The Warrens saw a family where they believed their child 681 01:01:17.079 --> 01:01:22.400 was possessed, and they thought to themselves, easy fucking money. Like Carol 682 01:01:22.480 --> 01:01:28.440 talks about how like, oh, how convenient. Like the child is in 683 01:01:28.480 --> 01:01:34.079 convulsions, like yelling fucking profanities like and it's like you're gonna die, You're 684 01:01:34.119 --> 01:01:38.800 gonna die. Mm And the Warrens, he's like the first thing they do 685 01:01:39.039 --> 01:01:45.320 is whip out their recording devices and start taking pictures of them. M m. 686 01:01:45.079 --> 01:01:49.239 Do you know, Like he's like, instead of helping him, they 687 01:01:49.280 --> 01:01:53.320 want to record them. But then at the same time, with that having 688 01:01:53.400 --> 01:01:59.480 been said, I feel like when there are no recordings are and there are 689 01:01:59.559 --> 01:02:01.840 no picture, nobody believes say the same thing. We were like, well, 690 01:02:01.880 --> 01:02:06.880 why didn't anybody record it? Why didn't anybody take pictures? I'm not 691 01:02:07.079 --> 01:02:09.679 though, Like so in the documentary you can see photos, like they show 692 01:02:09.760 --> 01:02:15.320 actual photos and like in a few of the photos, like the microphones like 693 01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:23.039 here, oh like it's in the child's face yeah, right up at his 694 01:02:23.119 --> 01:02:30.800 neck. Yeah, and you're like, what give him some room? Yeah, 695 01:02:30.920 --> 01:02:35.920 you're like whatever is that? Like honestly, whatever happened to David, 696 01:02:36.480 --> 01:02:42.440 Like whatever it was, he needed help and he didn't fully get it. 697 01:02:43.880 --> 01:02:46.480 Yeah. Now he like, as I said, like he is like, 698 01:02:46.559 --> 01:02:52.960 no, I was possessed. Mm hmmm, Like he's he fully believes he 699 01:02:52.159 --> 01:02:57.440 was and like, at the end of the day, we weren't there. 700 01:02:57.559 --> 01:03:00.760 It didn't happen to us, it happened to him. So but then I 701 01:03:00.800 --> 01:03:09.840 think as well as an eleven twelve year old, like if like Ed Warren 702 01:03:09.920 --> 01:03:13.360 comes along and it's like you're possessed, You're gonna be like, Ohm, 703 01:03:13.239 --> 01:03:15.480 I gonna shit, I'm possessed. Yeah. Of course. I mean, 704 01:03:15.639 --> 01:03:20.159 your parents tell you something at that age and you take it as truth as 705 01:03:20.199 --> 01:03:23.800 well. So if his mother is telling him you're possessed, you had this, 706 01:03:24.840 --> 01:03:30.039 you're gonna believe it too. Yeah. I also find it very telling 707 01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:35.679 though that like they weren't a super religious family and then they became one, 708 01:03:36.079 --> 01:03:39.159 because Karen is like when the mother is doing all the interviews, like she 709 01:03:39.320 --> 01:03:44.159 talks about her they always went to church and God and this and that, 710 01:03:44.320 --> 01:03:47.639 and he's like, no, we're very like we basically never went to church. 711 01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:52.719 Yeah, and then he's like and then all this started happening, and 712 01:03:52.760 --> 01:03:58.079 then all of a sudden, his mother was like, Okay, church yeah. 713 01:03:58.119 --> 01:04:00.679 But then in the same breath, if I did think something like that 714 01:04:00.760 --> 01:04:08.760 was happening to my child, I wo okay church yeah. Because as well 715 01:04:08.800 --> 01:04:11.119 as that, like that's what movies teach you, do you know what I 716 01:04:11.119 --> 01:04:15.639 mean? Mm hmmm, like they teach you like, oh the demons after 717 01:04:15.679 --> 01:04:20.000 you. So you you you gotta go to church. You gotta believe in 718 01:04:20.480 --> 01:04:26.360 God. Now that's the devil made me do it. You guys, I 719 01:04:26.480 --> 01:04:32.159 would love to hear your thoughts on all of that, like all of it. 720 01:04:32.239 --> 01:04:35.679 Do you think David was possessed? Do you think Ernie was possessed? 721 01:04:36.400 --> 01:04:43.760 Do you think Ernie should have been sentenced to life in prison? Because I'm 722 01:04:43.880 --> 01:04:50.360 done his life in prison five years for murdering somebody? Are you freaking kidding 723 01:04:50.400 --> 01:04:56.480 me? Yeah? It doesn't sit right with me. Like, even if 724 01:04:57.480 --> 01:05:01.159 like he was possessed, it was still his body that murdered somebody. And 725 01:05:01.239 --> 01:05:04.440 you mean to tell me that you're only going to do five freakin' years for 726 01:05:04.559 --> 01:05:09.960 that. Yeah, there's like we keep saying, there is a man dead, 727 01:05:11.679 --> 01:05:18.679 somebody died. Debbie, Yeah, Derby, that's fucking sick. You're 728 01:05:18.840 --> 01:05:28.199 sick. Okay? How old was Ernie again? You got with well, 729 01:05:29.440 --> 01:05:35.800 Ernie was like nineteen when he murdered Alan Bono. So, Debbie, what's 730 01:05:35.880 --> 01:05:42.280 more sick? A judge sentencing sentencing a man for a crime that he committed, 731 01:05:43.039 --> 01:05:47.320 or you watching a preteen grow up and getting him with him while he 732 01:05:47.480 --> 01:05:53.840 is still eighteen and you're in your what twenties, you're sick, fucking freak. 733 01:05:54.920 --> 01:05:59.559 Yeah, well, we really hope you liked this episode. If you 734 01:05:59.639 --> 01:06:02.079 did, and you haven't already done so, check out our other episodes, 735 01:06:02.440 --> 01:06:05.360 which you obviously know where to find us, because that's where you're listening to 736 01:06:05.440 --> 01:06:09.760 us. But in case you don't know where to find us, that's Spotify 737 01:06:10.440 --> 01:06:14.440 or Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Please please sponsor us. 738 01:06:15.639 --> 01:06:18.440 We didn't really like the sponsorship now, guys, I'm saying it enough. 739 01:06:19.360 --> 01:06:26.320 Yeah, for only three years down the line. 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